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>> I pledge to the flag of the United States of America and to the stands one indivisible and justice for all. Dave, do you have a roll call, please? >> Sure.
We have Chem. >> Mike >> here. >> Barbara, Sarah, Charlotte >> here, >> Gretchen >> here, >> myself, Justine >> here,
>> Chris. Randall >> here. >> Councilman Bner >> here. >> Okay, we have the minutes of uh September 23rd. >> Anybody have any issue with those minutes? If not, is there a motion?
>> So, is there a second? >> A second. >> All those in favor say I. >> I. >> Uh, okay. Old business planning board. I was away for the last meeting, but I understand there was just there was a
minor application for uh Sways for a minor property line adjustment which we submitted a report to from the planning from our commission and uh that was about it for that. Um I'm pretty sure it was approved. U
Steve, you had a council report? >> Um sure. actually touched on something that's with planning board and with city council as well, the workforce housing initiative that has been um been discussed. So, uh, the idea behind it is,
um, there are locations in the business district, specifically well, around the mall, um, that have second and third floor space on them. Um, that can be utilized for apartments.
um the way with our planning and our and our zoning right now, you would need to have parking to be able to utilize those as apartments. So, um one of the long-standing issue in Kate May is housing um affordable housing and
workforce housing. And in this instance, workforce housing as defined in um and discussed before the planning board as well as discussed in the definition before city council would be anything that's really outside of um
um the short-term rental housing. Um the idea people who are residing in Kate May to work locally but even to reside and contribute to the comm community add to the number of folks that would be living in a community even if they were
commuting to other towns outside of Kate May. Um the the issue with um with the reason why those apartments had not been developed to date is uh due to the
fact that there's a parking requirement in Kate May. We obviously know that there's a a significant parking issue in Kate May as well, but from a policy standpoint um looking at this that it is more critical to address issues of affordable housing um as in
um not the the legal definition of affordable housing, but housing that individuals can um live in Kate May, add to the workforce um and reside here and um the so the policy decisions been made
that it's more significant to add u the opportunity to uh for for people to live in Kate May and utilize those spaces for for housing. ing and uh as opposed to making the priority the parking. So I
believe that had gone before planning board. Uh planning board had approved the um approved the concept. This is consistent with the master plan for Kate May as well. >> Um so city council is looking at that. I think there may be something before
planning board actually tonight. Um maybe >> is there a meeting tonight? Yeah, I think there's a meeting coming up as well. The next, let's just say the next meeting, uh, the discussion had
been um the looking initially just at the um the mall blocks for >> that's where they're that's where they're emphasizing this. >> That is the that is the emphasis. Um, I believe that it's going to be
recommended to look at all of C1, the entire business district. Um, so that'll be something for the planning board to to consider and have a discussion about. I just wanted to mention because Mike, you were talking about planning board issues. Um, and this is, you know,
obviously the idea of of workforce housing has been something that has been uh significant for Kate May. Um, looking at, you know, so we're looking at different ways to be able to expand that. And as I said, it's consistent with the master plan. So, that is something that's actually it's kind of
in city council's lap at the moment, but it's also going to be revisited by planning boards. >> We're ready to address it. I guarantee it. >> Sorry. >> We're ready to address it. I guarantee it. >> Okay. So, we um look, everybody's everybody's discussing it. Everybody's working on it. So, okay. I just wanted
to to mention that um the police station groundbreaking um is scheduled for I believe Thursday, November 13th. November 13th, groundbreaking. Um so I see Paul walking by and I think he just
kind of gave me the high sign that that's he's in agreement with that. Um so if you have a looking forward to finally we've been talking about the police station for a long time and now we're actually going to be breaking ground on it. So, moving forward with that project. Um, last item I just want
to mention is there's been a discussion about having an I guess a citywide open house. Um, that openhouse would take place sometime in the springtime. The idea behind it would be to have an opportunity to have
different um different from say like a town hall, but the idea that this would be a open to the public. certainly would want the public to to be there. uh an opportunity to um
see folks from different commissions and different boards. And there would just be had the opportunity to provide information to folks about just what those boards and commissions um how they
may function. um different projects or different initiatives that some of those boards or commissions have been involved with and an opportunity for the public to interact with folks who are involved in those um in those commissions and in those boards. So that is this was
something that was discussed at a city council meeting um one or two sessions ago. there's been at least one um this follow-up meeting to kind of an organizational meeting um on that line in a very uh still
formulating aspect. But uh right now um there's just been uh a discussion to try to have that move forward to have that take place sometime in the spring of 2026 >> like at the convention center or something like that. >> We would do that there. Yes, we would
need some the thought process would be this this room great for many meetings but probably not adequate for um kind of like the the layout of that. Um but uh so yeah, we would be talking about doing
this at at convention hall. So it' be an opportunity for as I said a lot of people to um to showcase and discuss initiatives that have been going on. Great opportunity. Say for instance talk about like you think about the environmental commission the Colombia project the water project
that was done last year what's um under going on right now it's just another way to be able to educate the public and also to have uh people well to educate the public but also for them to be able to get more um uh understanding and also to ask uh ask questions of folks
>> I make sure it's in a a time when people are going to be in town a lot even just not when people are away kind of a thing you know what I That's been a great part of the discussion. We want to maximize the opportunity for folks to be here. So, I think we're looking right now for that sweet spot of before
before town gets crazy, but when uh residents and folks would be more likely to come back into town. So, yeah, this is not something that's going to happen in late January, early February. [Music] >> So, um >> anything else?
>> That's uh that's what I have. Any questions? >> The police building, I guess it's running. It's going okay. As far as you know, I mean the the process. >> Yes. Um I know that they have um the
task force is regularly still having meetings. I know they had a pre-construction meeting um uh just a just a couple weeks ago. Um my understanding is you know everything is is going according to plan and on schedule.
>> Any idea when they expect it to be complete? Any idea? >> I think it I believe it'd be so don't hold me to this but I believe this is going to be we're starting obviously late 2025. I think we're talking about 2027 >> that it would be completed.
>> So um I mean obviously there's a lot of moving parts to that. Um but um I think that's the time to see that building done. You need that building. >> Can you um go ahead >> recap for me at least what sustainability or renewable types of
building materials are being used on the police station. >> I um what I could do is I could have Paul come and talk with us at at some point. I um you know to provide specific
information about about the uh the station itself um and the construction of it. So I don't have that information in front of me Justine, but happy to be able to to get that maybe at the next meeting that we could >> know there's that uh city ordinance that
says that any city building must consider the incorporation of those types of materials um during construction. But I didn't know if it had been >> Yeah, I know >> as a guideline. >> So I know there's been a great deal of
of thought and I know um you know HPC has approved the plans. I know John Becker specifically has looked at them. So um but we can get more information um on that. I know one of the
one thing that would be of concern to me and I think would be for our you know for this committee to um certainly um suggest that this the city does
everything to maximize the use of is look a police station is going to require um a lot of a lot of energy a lot of electricity to run that. Um I believe I believe that there's opportunities to
really utilize solar power there. >> Yeah. Um and I there have been discussions along those lines uh to do that and I would suggest that this is a topic that for
this you know for our group that um this commission continues to um encourage the city to maximize the use of solar power as much as possible um for that building. um is something I've as I said there have been
discussions along those lines but I think it's something that we we should be mindful of to keep to the city's forefront as um you know everything is is finalized and make sure that that is t that is incorporated into the uh you know the
final the final uh product that we have at the police station. Charlotte, do you remember when that ordinance was passed or what it specifically says or Mike, do you remember >> about alternative energy
>> government buildings and certainly look it up >> and alternative energy? I think it's pretty clear. >> Yeah. Um and certainly it dates back to the early 2000s. >> Yeah,
>> it does. It started actually um with one of our um buildings on the beach for the lifeguards. That was the first building, city building to have solar. Um, and
then the nature center also >> I feel like at the time and that was 2006 2007 the building was completed. I feel like it wasn't required, but we did it.
Um, at the nature center, like we basically the our welcome center building, it was an existing building and we treated it as a renovation, but truth is we knocked it down to the foundation and rebuilt it. And we did
incorporate as much as we could at the time, like extra thick walls and insulation. And the reason we got solar was because I happened to go to the Atlantic City
like home and garden show. And I walked around to all the solar businesses and told them that they had an opportunity to showcase their business. and we were able to get that system at no cost. Um,
but it wasn't required of us at the time. So, I don't know. I mean, that's just the story that >> something was passed. I don't like I can't recall the specific language, but there is something on the books that
says government buildings must consider >> exactly >> this at least. >> I'll look that up. Dave, let's put this on the agenda for next month. We'll try and get somebody in here to to talk to us about the building. Okay, >> we'll we'll figure that out. >> All right, >> good.
>> Might also be great for the station to find out how many EV chargers it has because part of the fleet is EV now. one of um so at the next meeting we can arrange
for someone to to be here to discuss the overall plans and um to address that question as well as other questions I think it's >> do that >> I was I was telling Charlotte I was traveling in Europe in like in Hungary
and and uh Czech Republic and there were solar panels everywhere I mean everywhere. where I mean where they could. Not so much in the proper like in the cities per se because they can't do it so much there, but open fields wherever they could. They were just
racks and racks of these panels. >> Okay. Anybody else that Dave, you wanted to comment on on the dune day again, I guess. >> Yeah, I just want to It was successful this year playing everything on the ground. >> Yeah, it was a really good day. Um I would say probably have between with
your group that came the public maybe like 40 50 people at the end of the day. So everything was planted. Everybody had a good time. So lots of wildlife. So it was it was a good day. >> I made I made a mental note that a year from now I was going to go back out and see where where I had a little section that I was planting. I mean I was really
working on it. I go back and see see what if any of it took. >> Yeah. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. >> That was a nice spot though right there. >> Yeah. So we'll do again next >> bothering anybody. We were just there just working. Yeah, fun day. >> Some people came and didn't know a thing
about how to plant anything. I mean, they it was, "Excuse me, you're here to plant and said, "How do I do?" Anyway, it was funny. Then we had some guys who actually took a whole couple bundles of it and just they got lost and they were just doing it themselves. I mean, they
were just having a great old time just planting. >> But you had quite a crew. >> Oh, yeah. And there was one there was one guy we had a clump. He left with a with a clump of stuff and came back a minute later without a clump. So I don't
know what remember that guy. We don't know. >> We never found it. >> No, he we think he just >> it's the mystery. >> Chuck I think we he just chucked it in some of the weeds somewhere honestly because there's no way he could have planted that stuff anyway. But just a
just a tale. Okay. Any any new business? Does anybody want to talk about >> I think next month we'll talk about that that the public the police building and get get some idea where we're headed on those kind of issues on the sustainability. >> I will talk about it. It kind of relates
to something we discussed at the last meeting was um the nature trail that um some observations because I've been doing my morning walks out there and um I did write a memo to give to the city
manager summarizing my thoughts. I just before this meeting could not print it out for whatever reason. my computer was like in the circle of hell could just going on and on. So, I wanted to bring that to share with you. But,
um, so it's just pointing out some recommendations that we have that we want to share with the city as far as trying to find funding to combat invasive species there. Um, some recommendations of things that we can do
during community days. And I know there is a community cleanup day supposed to be this Thursday, but >> the weather is iffy, but if it happens, I just um I did have some recommendations. So hopefully when I go
home, I'll just >> put that in the agenda for next month, too. >> Yeah, I >> we'll get something to him about it and maybe you can get that out to everybody. >> I will email it when I get home, but I wanted to bring it. Um, but anyway, um,
>> I haven't been. Is it getting a lot of play out there or not as much as it should be or what do you think, Dave? >> The the nature trail. >> I mean, well, my husband and I have been walking almost every morning out there, doing a couple of loops, getting ready for our
vacation, just getting our steps in. And there's people been a lot of bird watchers this time of year. um you know it is being known or told to the burers. I even saw a couple of vans of a of a
trip and I recognized the guy that was leading the trip. I think he's from Ocean County Park System. So people know about it as another place to go. Um trash is not the issue out there
fortunately. Um that's not a problem. So, if you're going to like go pick up trash, there's not much to get. It's the invasive species. It's the vines. Um, and so I just, you know, listed a recommendation of things. I mean, to
tell you the truth, I walk out there and I almost, you know, get anxiety rather than this sense of calm because I see all that ivy that is choking out the trees and took over most of the forest, which is what it was before then the
trail was put in. So, it's a massive undertaking to try to restore that habitat. We can do a little bit. It's kind of band-aid fixes. Some of the trees adjacent to the trail that are smothered, we can tackle those. There's
some nice hollies that if we could get the vines off of that, it's going to give the chance for the holly to to, you know, fill out more and be beneficial. Um, we talked about, you know, maybe doing a planting of seeds. Um, I brought
some seeds. I'm not here Thursday because I'm leaving on my trip, but if somebody wants to take these, if you do have have the trip, spread them out there. Um, some species like, and I I forgot to bring it with me, but I I harvested a bunch of purple
cone flour. I've got a baggie of seeds that you can plant now for um for spring bloom. And and it's almost an experiment. You just take it, you you scratch it into the top surface and
maybe they'll come up. Um, to really do it right, it it's going to probably mean, you know, tilling the space. And I'm not an expert in creating a meadow. There are people from Piland's Nursery,
who is a native plant um, wholesaler in the state that does habitat restoration on big scale. you know, if we order sheed from them, they would probably give us some recommendations on how to do it properly for the best success. Um,
so there's that. And then the to me the main pledge is that the city should pledge, especially in the nature trail area, to only plant native plants that are known to be to
thrive in Kate May County. You could say, "Oh, it's a native plant." Well, it might be a native plant in Michigan that's not New Jersey. And um and then also in the park, you know, I know there's
plans already for the park and and everything and and many native plants have been used. I know there are cases where maybe a native plant isn't recommended or or whatever. there's some alternatives as long as they're notre
aggressive plants that could then become an invasive species out into the wild areas. So that's what my memo talks about. Um, and someone a friend of ours who frequents
the library a lot told me that the two there's two sweet egg m magnolas that were planted on Franklin across from the library. It's one of my favorite trees, but it's not necessarily a street tree
because it branches out very low. And my friends told me that the librarian was telling them that someone in a wheelchair was having a hard time navigating the sidewalk. And um so that those two plants, those two trees are
going to have to be pruned up higher so that people can walk and not get hit in the eye or a wheelchair can't bypass the sidewalk. Um, >> these are trees or >> they're trees and they're, like I said, I love those trees. They're beautiful.
And in as they get bigger, you can raise the lower, you can raise the canopy. So, you let the top grow, but you want the bottom to be pruned out. And, um, so that's just, you know, a
recommendation, too. and the shade tree commission may be trying to select good native trees, but in that particular case by the sidewalk, it's way too encroaching of the sidewalk. Someone definitely with a wheelchair is going to
be scraping into those branches. Um, I would almost recommend digging them up and putting them out at the nature trail because they that it's a wonderful native tree. But just things like that. And I notice because I am going on walks
and I know these trees and I know um you know proper proper place is is critical. >> How long have those trees been >> pretty new? >> They're still pretty new. >> You know, just after they did all the sidewalks and the bricks and everything
and they have these metal grates around them for water to get into them. They're beautiful trees. >> Mhm. But they aren't the right trees for that location by a sidewalk. Um, I mean, yeah, you can you can prune
them, but they're also slow growing. So, for them to be a a big tree, like a like a shade tree, a street tree, it's going to take time. Um, so yeah.
And then the other thing, old business. Are we doing dark sky this year? No. Okay, it's okay. It's kind of a thing that might be an every other year, every couple of years event. I just wasn't that November. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. >> Um other old business. Sure. Go >> ahead. Um, tomorrow is the um, mid project report from the current Colombia cohort. Um, so next month would be a
good time to report back to the commission on the presentation. >> We'll put that on the agenda date. >> Is there going to be a >> a final one? >> Is there going to be a call or the um for tomorrow? Is there a Zoom? How is that going to be being conducted?
>> There is Paul John Becker and myself are scheduled. To be honest, I'm happy to share the link. Okay. >> We just replied to the the group. >> Okay. >> I think they they didn't ask for
everyone because it's not the final report. >> Oh, good. Just offering to be part. >> Would love you to be. If you think you can make it, it is at two. >> That was a nice meeting out there. >> Yeah. Two. is it's going to be by by way
of Zoom, >> correct? >> Send me the link. I >> Okay. >> Believe I will be available for that. I would like to be on that. >> Yeah. I I guess um to Mike's point, the other update on that is the group did come down to Cape May and it was a very
successful trip. They arrived and did a historic district walking tour with John Becker and Loren Baldwin. Then they did planting dune grass and looked at the dune system with
David and Mike. And then went to see the storm water pumping facilities. One of the four um met one of the engineers, they were absolutely fascinated with that. Ended up turning a 20 minute stop into an hour
and a half stop assessing the pumping facilities. Then we did a breakout sessions, workshop essentially at the arts and science center and they were able to discuss various components of coastal
resilience with different representatives from the city and then they did a boat tour of the creek and the harbor. Um we split into two groups.
Um, our mayor took one group and my brother took the other group. Um, by boat we went at high tide so we could get pretty far back up into the creek. And then we looked at the rest of the harbor um shoreline, the different types
of materials from like a living shoreline to a built shoreline, what the different bulkheads look like, where flooding occurs most frequently. Then we went to dinner and then the following day um Tom, Carol and Lorine
led them on a trolley tour of other floodprone areas throughout the town. So that was their >> What did the What did the trail look like from from the water? >> Um >> I thought I think different perspective
on that. >> Yeah. I I kind of like a pier. >> Yeah. you know, um I had never been back up there. Uh to be honest, it's, you know, always head the other way. Um but
after going back up there at high tide, I then realized what a great crabbing location it is. And I took my son crabbing there two days later at high tide and we got some wonderful blue claws. Um so that was pretty cool. Um, but I also noticed how many private
docks are up there. I had no idea there were so many properties on Lafayette that had private docks extending to that creek. It was kind of >> It's a great place to kayak. >> Yeah, >> there's tons of ospreys. >> Some of the ospreys are on those docks
that build nests. And I mean, that's a common place where the tour companies take people kayaking. Mhm. >> Yeah. >> I'm not surprised it's very shallow. >> Yeah. >> Even at high tide, there were spots that were
6 feet, 5 feet even, which means they're high and dry at low tide. So, but but it was great. The group apparently um has some ambitious suggestions. So, we don't know what they
will be yet, but um as Paul pointed out to the group um last month, the standard solutions for flooding are either retreat or the elevating of buildings,
neither of which are options for Cape May. So um you know that would then entail more um the only remaining solution is more in infrastructure based um you know do we create more pumping
systems levies um seaw walls um the kind that can float up and down. So I don't know what they're putting together. I have not seen a preview of it. I will receive an update tomorrow. I just was
it was a breath it was a breath of fresh air how how naive they can be sometimes but boy are they smart. >> I mean they got some really good ideas on one hand and the other hand they're they're just trying to figure it out. It was really cool. I enjoyed that. >> That's the energy and enthusiasm for
solving a pro the problem um was inspiring. >> Right. Um, and and one of the groups actually was really focusing on communication and outreach, which I think could potentially be a great
toolbox for this commission >> to to gain. Um, obviously >> stayed the whole that's where I stayed the whole trip for the whole meeting was communications table. >> Yeah. Um, you know, one of our shortcomings
has definitely been how we interface with the public and deliver messages and and change individual behaviors. So hopefully they have recommendations for us beyond
social media and PSAs and you know worksheets in the school you know to think outside of the box. So, >> they put the Columbia group back on on the agenda for next month. Okay. Make sure that >> we could probably have someone from the
group like provide a presentation or zoom into our meeting if we wanted. I'm sure one of them or several would be happy to do that. >> If you want to push that, that's fine.
>> Do we have the tech ability to bring them in somehow. >> We could check on that. >> I don't know, but we can check on that and find out if that's if that's possible. Um
I mean, worst case scenario, we can do it as some type of call, but um a Zoom would be probably be preferable, right? Okay. So, >> yeah. Yeah,
>> exactly. >> Yeah, that thing. >> A presentations here. >> Yeah, I can't imagine. We can't >> get this done. >> Certainly from their end, they'll understand how to do it. From our end,
we might >> We have people here that can pull that off. So, maybe not in this committee, per se, but Good. Any other new or old business? Charlotte, you want to say? >> Yeah, I do have a few things. As I'm
listening to all of you, I'm thinking about our green team, which meets every other year. And next year we'll be meeting time again. And they do have the ability for some um grant funding. And I
think it'd be interesting to contact um and find out whether or not any new grants could be created for some of the projects like the plants along the trail or any other things that we think about
um it being, you know, very interesting to see how that all happens. I've never been involved in that phase of the green team >> only in saving the kinds of information that create the grants for us the monies
for us. Okay. So that was one thing as I was listening but then um the other thing in terms of activities I have to tell you about a little bit about the Monarch Fest. If if you could have
seen the crowds, you would have just been absolutely overwhelmed. We had more than a thousand people attend on that kind of cloudy day. But what was engaging for me was
the fact that there's this multi-ensorous for the children in particular, the sight, the touch, the smell, the listening to directions. um promoting the natural world. Our
station as an commission did provide all of the things that you might expect about um the life cycle of uh a monarch. But in addition, I have to tell you that Barbara brought
swallowtail butterfly exhibits and those little guys just crunched up parsley like you can't believe in front of the children's eyes. They were eating as much as we possibly could couldn't give them. Um so that was really an
encouraging observation for the children and to participate um in the day. We also had um commission packets of seeds for them to plant next spring to help to feed the monarchs and
and the experts from New Jersey Autobon were there um submitting talks all day long about the thousandm journey to Mexico and the tagging and the releasing. It was it was just overwhelming
to see the integration of both adults and children learning at different levels but certainly learning. So that was interesting for me. And also I wanted to tell you that I get a magazine
from Maryland because our children are there. And the Maryland Association for Environmental Outdoor Education has every single school in Maryland
become a green school. And this is their 40th anniversary celebration. And the green schools have a required list that the schools have to go through. There are 23 counties.
And it's amazing to me when I read about how they engage these kids at different levels, but each one of the schools is required
to have a green team. So um that I think is a milestone for all of us to think that we might have our own children be involved at that in that way. I know
that Cape May City Elementary had an outstanding teacher, Sandy Sander Meyer Bryant, who was there who fulfilled that role for so many years before she retired. But when I look at what's just
happened recently with children and groups in our city, we can look at Clean Ocean Action, this is a an environmental group that started in 1984 in the state of New Jersey and Exit Zero
was good enough to go to one of the cleanups at the nature center of Cape May. and they've recorded all of this information for us about student summit action at the nature center. So
that can I interject that that so Clean Ocean Action's been doing a student summit in New Jersey for decades and it was always up at Sandy Hook about five or six years ago they came to us at the nature center and said they wanted to do
a southern um summit because they weren't getting the southern schools. So that's been going on, you know, five years or so. And it's amazing. They get schools from all over Kate May County.
Um, usually like fifth, sixth graders, seventh maybe, but then the students from the high school, lower Kate May Regional, act as mentors. So they're doing a lot of the
programs. So students teaching students um it's always been the be maybe the first week of October and it's always been a glorious sunny day like we lucked out it was just a beautiful day but that is a
really special thing and honestly as you know having been at the nature center I was amazed by what clean ocean action we were just the host site we provided you know a place for them to do it, but Clean Ocean Action ran that. Um, so it
it's something really special that's happening here and I I would imagine it's going to continue every year. It it cited that Atlantic County, Bergen County, Burlington County, Cape May County,
Essex County, Ocean County, and they list at least 50 places where they have these beach sweeps. >> Oh, yeah. The beach sweeps again, that's been going on for like three three
decades at least. >> And we've always had two sites in Kate May. One has been the cove where Jeff Martin, a teacher at the high school, brings his students to do that. And then the nature center has been doing Kate
May Harbor for again twice a year we do beach sweeps and um we partner with Clean Ocean Action and um back in the day we used to be able to get Coast Guard recruits. So, we would
have a hundred people out there. It's it's not that way anymore. We're not allowed to get the recruits for cleanups. Um, but yeah, it's and honestly, and fortunately, the city's doing the
clean community cleanups, but the harbor, I can tell you, needs it more than twice a year. Um, >> I think your husband wrote an article um for the Cape me star and wave volunteers sought for beach sweep on
October 18th and it's really interesting and he goes on to say that the most unusual thing that they ever found was a Singer sewing machine >> to but in all honesty I am so delighted and
thrilled to think that we have motivated enough people around our town and with other organizations help um I mean Ruter University has helped us over the years. There have been just so many
partnerships um and we continue to explore and find new ones but this is the kind of documentation that the green team needs saved so that they can submit it and then we are more eligible for grants.
So that's why I just brought it to our attention again today. >> All right, that's it. >> Dave, do you want to follow up on that at all about the clean communities? >> Yeah. So this Thursday the 30th we have
our very first Halloween trick or trails with a new um nature trail. Um, so we invited fire, police, um, I think the nature center is coming. Um, couple of local nonprofits are going to be there to help hand out candy to
the kids. Um, and we're also have incorporated with it a a clean up at the same time, too, because I'm imagine a lot of this can get dropped in the ground. >> So, we're going to have our cleans community um equipment there to pick up the trash throughout the whole event, too. So, it's kind of like a combination of trick-or-treating and cleans
community. So, it's going to be up to >> the time on that. >> Yeah, I'm sorry. It's from uh 3:00 to 5:00. Yeah. And it starts at the trail head at the New Nature Trail. >> A a flyer for it was sent home um with Yeah. I I got it in my kids folder. >> Wonderful.
>> Yep. >> Yeah. Expect a nice little turnout. I know school is coming. Principal there set up a table. So, it should be good turnout for sure. So, it's be nice weather also. >> Weather permitting. >> Weather beautiful. bubbles going to come up. So, we'll be fine.
>> Anybody's invited to come to I know city council is going to come, but if anybody here wants to come out and hand out candy, too. >> So, do you have any idea like what the nature center is doing? >> No. So, basically what we're doing, we're just setting up tables around the
um the perimeter like around the deck and they're going to man the tables and hand out candy. Um if they have any swag, they hand out swag to talk to the kids. No, I'm just thinking you have an opportunity to do what they call seed balls where you take mud, dirt, and
incorporate seeds, make a ball, and then you throw it into the the area that you want to >> Yeah. >> you know, seed. >> So, I don't know. I can get you some seed. I've got some things collected.
I've got these seed packets. I mean, I can talk to the nature center. Um, >> yeah, if they like that spread out. This I want say this wasn't a last minute thing, but >> next year we're going to make it a lot bigger. We can do more events, but this year we're just kind of focusing on getting people to trail. But if you want
to talk to them and we want to spread >> seed balls, >> seeds. >> Yeah. >> And kids would have a blast chucking those things off the walkway. Yeah. >> Adults might have fun, too. >> Yeah. Right. Who can get it the furthest? >> You do. Well, I you could set up a handwashing station, too. Like you get
dirty, you make a mud ball and then you throw it and you you know you educate them what you're doing your seed dispersal and um >> if if they want to do that they can but they'll need to bring out like a washing station because everything's kind of set.
>> Well, is it gonna be on the concrete section? >> No. Well, we're going to have a maybe two tables there, but most tables going to be on the on the deck itself. >> I mean, that's where I would do it. I would do it in the concrete section
where there's >> there's still some open space. It's just >> low grasses. >> There's cosmos that are in bloom now. Um that's where I would have a station.
>> Let me see what I can do. >> If they want to just >> Yeah. >> have them come up to me the day of, let me know. It's totally fine. >> Okay. >> Got you got a few days to work. I have to go home and pack do laundry and pack for my trip. >> Anybody else have anything for the good
of the group? >> All right, motion to adjurnn. >> Second. >> All in favor? Mics off, please.