##VIDEO ID:Hc4tF3cmXcw## e e e e testing testing e e okay I'm ready evening everybody the Cap May City planning board is now in session in compliance with the open public meetings Act of 1975 adequate notice of this meeting has been provided should any member of this board have reason to believe this meeting is being held in violation of that act they should so State at this time hearing none we'll begin with Pledge of Allegiance Pledge of aliance United States of America to the repu for it stands one nation under God roll call Karen yes Mr bazer here Mr Jones here Mr rigs here Mr Crowley Mr Gorgon here mayor mullik council member Jagger Mrs Reed here Mr lenol Mr brusis Mr krippin okay we have resolution um number 10-22 d224 Jason and Cindy cway 501 Hugh Street block 1049 Lots 10.01 oh that's the resolution oh I know we're on the minutes here oh I'm sorry I'm I'm sorry okay all right we'll do the minutes of October October 22nd this is this is a repeat I I'm not going to say anything October 22nd minutes make a motion we approve second Mr Jones motions Mr Gorgon seconds Mr gorgone yes Mrs Reed abstain Mr rigs yes Mr Jones yes Mr bazer yes thank you okay we have one application tonight Katherine Healey 230 236 and 248 Grant Street block 1019 Lots 12 13.01 and 14 for a minor subdivision with variance relief required good evening Mr chairman members of the board uh to briefly introduce myself my name is Peter chanas I am an attorney at the law fir of Highland Lin chap pyro and my office represents the applicant Katherine Healey here today uh this is a relatively straightforward application I believe so hopefully we don't keep you too far into the evening uh once again the applicant is Katherine Hy this is for the property sorry uh my um building is on the 200 foot list but since I don't vote I don't disqualify myself unless I was going to object so no no need to we're fine with that uh this is for the property located at or properties I should say we're dealing with three Lots uh 230 236 and 248 Grand Street otherwise known as Lots 14 13.01 and 12 in Block 1019 respectively uh what we're proposing here today is um uh request for minor subdivision approval essentially to take the existing three lots and reconfigure them into two uh excuse me three New Lots so the amount of lot will be the same uh it's just kind of essentially a reconfiguration on this uh dealing with what that reconfiguration will be and I'm just going to provide the board a brief overview of what we're going look going to be looking to do I cannot provide testimony as an attorney so this will be verified by everybody we have here tonight but I just wanted to give the board a sense of what they're what's to come in our presentation so with respect to what is currently Lot 12 uh 248 Grand Street that is going to be a new lot specifically block uh excuse me lot 12.01 uh what we're looking to do there is to reconfigure the lot lines to actually increase increas the lot size from uh 20,9 53 ft to about 30,47430 two and 14.01 and on that note the current lot 13.01 is proposed to be numbered 13.02 and um those lot lines are also going to be reconfigured to decrease the lot size uh from 29,45 Ft to about 20254 squ ft um and that will include the two accessory sheds uh but will not include the attached the detached garage that currently exists on 13.01 if you recall that's going to be on the new lot 12.01 and again we do have a visual that's going to kind of show everybody what this is so you know I know that'll be very helpful um and same thing we're proposing um Ingress egress parking and storage easement for the the benefit of the other two lots uh and then finally um current lot 14 230 Grand Street uh that's going to be proposed lot 14.01 the lot lines are going to are proposed to be reconfigured to increase the lot size from 7,143 Ft to 7,254 Ft now that increase actually does require a variance because the minimum lot size within the zone is 7500 Square F feet we're going to be at 7254 that said we are increasing the square footage of the lot so we're actually bringing this further into compliance than was otherwise previously there but we will need a bulk variance for that um the existing one and a half story frame dwelling on that lot again current lawn 14 proposed 14.01 that is going to be demolished and a new two-story single family dwelling um with parking underneath underneath is proposed to be constructed uh with respect to the three variances that we need uh I already mentioned one which is the square footage of the proposed lot 14.01 the other is for proposed lot 13.02 which is to permit a um a front yard setback of 16.3 Ft where 25 ft is required now I would note that the current lot is also 16.3 ft so that's essentially remaining the same we're not making that any worse we're not making it any better the next is for proposed lot 14.01 uh it's the same same exact VAR that we're requesting there it's for the front yard off of Grant Street uh to permit 20.5 ft uh where 25 ft is again required now the existing lot which is lot 14 is actually 17.7 ft so we're actually increasing that and bringing that closer to compliance by about 3 feet give or take uh and then finally the other um variants that we need is as I mentioned before is the square footage of proposed lot 14.01 75 minimum we're at 7254 but we are increasing it um from actually a lower number so again bringing that further into compliance there is a a fourth item that we did mention in the notice just to make sure we were being thorough uh this is from section 52555 a5b which provides that quote no impermeable surface may be constructed within 5 ft of any property line except for necessary driveways and walkways not exceeding 48 in in width the applicant does receive relief from this this section as well um because some of the new areas of walkway to promote kind of interior lot pedestrian circulation including the new driveway are greater than 48 inches wide and they will be within that 5 foot uh 5 foot of the existing and proposed lot division line so we mentioned that as well in our notice to be very thorough about that uh but that's essentially the O the application in a nutshell again um we do have three Witnesses here today who will be testifying and verifying that everything that I'm saying is correct and accurate first will be the applicant herself Miss Katherine Miss Katherine Healey then we have our surveyor um Mr George Swenson and then finally our engineer Mr Jim Chadwick and they will be testifying likely in that order about this application I just would note for the record just very quickly I just want to make sure this is clear the environmental commission the police department the public work Public Works and the shade tree commission all did recommend approval of this application the only condition that was requested was by the environmental commission and it was a simple request that we're happy to comply with which was the use of native Wildlife benefiting uh beneficial plants for any new Landscaping be used and that's something that the applicant is is more than willing to do um so with that uh I will bring up uh the applicant uh Katherine Healey she wants to say a few words and then we'll we'll go to our professionals we're g to swe everyone in if I could you w you put your microphones on okay please raise your right hand we're also going to swear on our board engineer Craig Harless if you swear or affirm to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth s you got I do I do okay take it away uh good evening my name is Katherine Healey I am Seventh Generation uh resident of Kate may my family uh the king and Kelly families go back to the SE uh 1860s we had homes where Carney are right now and we had homes in uh Colton Court Broadway and Beach and um I'm very proud of Grant Street because my my parents met one another on the Windsor Beach and uh my father it's really my mother's side that dates back to Kate may my father uh and mother got married a year later after meeting in 1955 and my father passes 50 Shore resorts to come to Kate may he came to Kate May for one reason my mother and of course the beach and the Boating so I'm here tonight to talk about continuation of a family Legacy and my youngest son my youngest child AJ mcauslin is here with me tonight at 23 to represent his two sisters uh AJ and his oldest sister Erin who's uh 34 live in Philadelphia full-time and commute on the weekends and holidays and when they can work from home and Kate May and my middle daughter uh Ally who's 27 who we just had a wonderful wedding in Kate May in our backyard in September she lives in Virginia Beach and she comes over by the ferry so I'm here tonight to say one year ago I bought a third lot that was uh when we first started out we were at 236 Grand Street I helped my father when I was 13 years old build a nice Cape Cod and five six years later after we built in 1976 there was going to be a proposed 19 unit uh condo that was going to be built to the right of us my father took it all the way to the superior court of New Jersey and fought and stopped from having underneath parking for 27 cars or 26 cars it was going to be concrete to concrete the whole property and my dad spent 5 years and the developer ended up going bankrupt and and sold us the home the property and we then my father waited 20 years and build another home so I had the opportunity November 1st of last year to buy the home to the left of us closer to the beach from a neighbor who had it for 20 years and they knew right when it was become available to that I was interested I have three children the bottom line is their eighth gener a I'm here today to replan how we're using our property more efficiently and I put a detached garage in a location in the backyard before I bought the other home and I'm just trying to make a nice we call it Healy point and make this so that my children can raise their children and we can go from the eighth generation to the 9th and hopefully to the 10th while I'm here with us so our homes are never planning to become bed and breakfast is their private residences and we're going to keep the charm of the street and I appreciate your volunteerism here and you know we love Kate may my father passed 50 Resorts he built the Viking Yacht company found her with his brother I'm second generation owner of Viking AJ works with Viking so we keep this family tradition going and he could have gone to Ocean City he could have gone to bantine he came to K May for run Reas and my mother so I'm here today I've done all the due diligence it took I've been working on this for more than five years and we had a beautiful wedding a month ago and K me means a lot to me and that's why I'm here and I want to thank every one for making k b so special tonight is the anniversary of 6 years ago my mother passed she loved Kate May and she was very proud of her two homes and this third home that I'm proposing to build in the next year employing a lot of people creating jobs and building hopefully what's going to last for the next two more three more Generations these properties are in a private Tri trust they will not be sold so I'm extremely proud of hilly point and I appreciate your support um with the right Gentleman Jim Chadwick and George thanks George for constantly going through the yard how big are the trees George so George has been a a wonderful guide I'm going to carry this soide I think that actually might be unless of course the board memb have any questions for um Miss hey I think that might be a good segue into our surveyor George's testimony but of course okay so I'm probably gonna be acting as the easel tonight it's probably the best role I'll play AJ a per hour to be an easel are any any of these exhibits or are they all part of the application um they are this plan here is part of the application but this one this colorcoded plan is not so we should mark this it's it's the same plan but it's highlighted more so you can see the original configuration compared to the new configuration we should probably still Market it's not color coded like this in the application so we can just it's make sure to leave that please with me thank you so George very quickly just for the board introduce yourself discuss your qualifications your history as a survey hello U my name is George Swinson I'm a licensed surveyor in the state of New Jersey I have 41 one years's experience I have degree in mathematics another in Liberal Arts pre-engineering and another in civil engineering with a land surveying major um I think that is in good standard yes it is so with that I would submit Mr Swinson as an expert in the field of uh professional survey um say just survey surve yes he said he was an engineer he has an engineer our yes I have a degree in engineering you can be the expert whenever you want um what we're currently showing here is in this picture is the configuration the current configuration of the three lots as they sit right here as you can see um two of these lots are very large uh to begin with and the one lot over here is slightly undersized by uh city ordinance um um we're combining these and roughly just readjusting the lines um as you can see in the red here will be new excuse me U Mr Swinson can you stand behind that so all our board members they can't see pick it up just there you go can you hear me better now hold it in front car with you oh all right I didn't want thank you K ST stand behind it um did you hear anything I said at first first okay okay we tried um and this down here shows the the proposed configuration of the Lots as as we're doing it um lot the new lot 12.01 and new lot 13.02 as you can see will still be quite large in size um new lot 1401 is getting slightly larger but is still a little undersized for for this um zoning in the area um as you can see currently the front yard set back to the existing building is 17.7 ft and that's to the steps um as far as any new construction I'll leave that to my colleague over here um and on the middle lot here um we're not actually proposing any changes at all as far as the existing building is at this time um as you can see there's a garage back here that the main reason we're moving these lines is so that this garage now goes with the primary residence here yet all the properties will have access to it being as you heard Kathy say that this is actually going to be a family compound um if if there's any questions that you wish me to answer as far as the subdivision Park is I'd be glad to answer anything at this time nope right it's that it's cloudly clear we turn that over to uh our engineer now Mr Jim Chadwick Jim you know the drill just briefly introduce yourself discuss your qualifications I believe you've been do this before this board a couple of times and we can take it from there not in front of these folks oh really okay there you go well maybe long time ago my name is James Chadwick I am a New Jersey licensed professional engineer as well as a New Jersey uh licensed registered architect I've had my own firm for about 24 years after cutting my teeth with Michael Highland Associates in Ocean City for 20 years before that um I been in front of the HPC down here in Cape May in regards to this project numerous times and I'll as we go through my conversation I'll bring you up the speed on where we are with the approvals in regards to the new building um I've been in front of planning boards zoning boards up and down the east coast of New Jersey we'll we'll accept your credentials thank you sir go all right so Jim you can take it away and then uh we'll address Mr H's review do you guys mind if I if I sit while I do this a lot of times I stand up but I've got bad knees and I would rather sit if if that's okay with you as you can see we had a very simple configuration of lots when we started um this as Kathy described it this is the parcel that they originally developed they bought this piece from the developer and then built a new single family house on that parcel that's generally we'll say the main house of the compound and the little green funny shaped lot is the one that she bought just a year ago um we have designed preliminary building plans and they're contained within your packet of documents for the new house that will go on this lot but the configuration has changed as uh George already explained that lot wasn't available when the detached garage was built so it caused Kathy to kind of reconfigure and rethink in her mind how she's going to move this property forward through the years for her kids use one of the things she wanted was to be able to interconnect the properties so that the kids can easily go from one property to the other without having to go out into the street so there is also an area that um between the garage and the little lot that we've created with cross easements so that there can be vehicular traffic in Ingress and egress through these Parcels as well um it's not a roadway it's just a um a gravel connection between the properties what we've done is created by taking a chunk of the middle lot and devoted it to number 248 so that she has the area for the garage as part of the main property the new swimming pool that's been installed and a p or connection between the garage and the new swimming pool and a fire pit in the back with the brick paaver uh patio area around that fire pit that puts all that stuff on her main house property the connection here allows them to utilize this as overflow parking if that becomes necessary and I'll talk about that more in a couple minutes who use it for parking I'm sorry you said them the that my children and I are my I understand I just I don't think we can approach this with the assumption that it'll always be owned by the same people uh yes it will it's will deed restricted to that EXC please speak to the the mic please yes I will it's it I have no mortgages that's and no no I'm just saying it's going to be written that the property will stay as a family compound and that is already done they're each llc's and in their prenups and everything it's all established you dotion yes so it it's going to stay for a very three strangers I don't I mean it's it's a different configuration among three strangers right and um this was put in my mother's will she owned the land and that's just what I'm living to her wishes and the neighbors knew that we wanted to purchase when they were ready to retire will there be ever be any building improvements put on the rear like 13.02 I'm sorry could you repeat that to the rear to the very rear of that property yes correct right there is there going to be any any building improvements on that site in the in the back right there no no I mean you have an easement from vehicular easement going from Grant Street back to that property I'll explain that okay very good I haven't got to that point yet but okay um very simply so I want to answer the question here before I want to answer it I got to take notes in this I write they can go there it doesn't make any sense okay so when you say they you mean the people on existing Lot 12 is that you're talking about they're talking about this is so the lot we're discussing here is proposed lot 13.02 it's all part of yeah part of this one access to that and these the other all all three lots only so it won't be open to how does lot 12.01 get to lot 13.02 go over there that I can help you with that if everybody can see it okay right now there's a driveway right here there's a gravel part right through back here it's a gravel pathway so you can come up this come through the pathway and get to the back from this property from this property there's a side access of gravel it's the gra it's grass you can come off of here and go through it that way plan we can certainly amend the plan to include the circulation as how it'll exist when it's done can can I ask a question this because I'm the one who get start seeing easements so are there going to be cross easements how are we doing this yes they're cross easements and that's something by office will draft them you'll see them and what we'll likely do is listed but you guys should be testifying to I mean there's specific language on this plan and that's you should be really referring to that as part of the record so that pink area on everyone's plan everyone has a color plan shows proposed Ingress and egress parking and storage easement over proposed lot 13.02 for the benefit of proposed Lots 12.01 and 14.01 that's how you guys should be referring to this so that we can keep track of lots and they can Traverse over that doesn't really help the record so that's why I think Mr King's having a yeah and I'm just trying to and 12.01 is going to access 13.02 that there needs to be an easement has to me of bounds has to be recorded yes we have not seen any of that that's part of my review but we would agree to that of course as a condition of approv that's what that's why we're here this is we that's not right okay you're here to have a plan approved yes it's a site plan it's a subdivision plan so it has to be on there so that we can approve know what we're approving and then document it later with real documents so it's just if you can give at least a clear explanation if your engineer can give explation where this easement is sufficient for the board to understand it I mean I get that if you're going to keep it all one ownership I understand you can all drive ATVs back and forth all over the property and that's your prerogative but we have a a plan that says something about Ingress egress parking and storage easement over lot 13.02 for the benefit of 12.01 and 14.01 that means that 12.01 can can park there are we dirting the traffic back is 1401 using this easement this blue thing to get to it like it's already confusing the easement part so we just if you give us some idea of who has access to where where at in addition to that job coming back coming back 1302 when you start up the front and you come back behind 1401 you've only got a 4 foot easement you're not getting his car through a 4 foot easement well and that's what I was going to continue on is forget about a car how do you propose a fire truck to get back there there's two reasons okay because they can use that they use that this is an easement and this is an easement one's on the one's on one lot and one's on the other and they're for the benefit of whichever one's not on that lot thank you Mr gonna take them take them through that you know step by step well as Mr herles just explained thank you very I did it quietly so you should you should do it for the sake of the record of course this pink area illust rated on the plan here is a 4 foot I believe it's 4ot wide portion of the easement there is an adjoining parcel or easement adjacent to that that creates enough width suitable width for them to be able to drive golf cart or car from lot 1302 across this area okay my concern wasn't I I got that part um I just didn't see the connection 12.01 to 13. 12.01 has a driveway that's brick paper right here and that stone area continues right across here that's the thing that's that's not it's not really shown on the plan looks like and correct me if I'm wrong essentially what you're saying is that this portion here that indicates where the easan is both shaded pink and orange is doesn't cut through fully through there illustrating the full extent of the E that conc that stone is not shown that orang just easement easement is is on lot 12.01 in favor of in favor of the other two lots there's nothing on 12.01 showing showing that you're able you're able there's a stone whatever coming there there's nothing on the plan showing that I I'll time out so this is something I was going to bring to the board's attention as part of my review but but the only Improvement plan that they've given us is for the improvements on lot 14.01 which is relative to the new dwelling that's being going to be constructed they're demolishing the existing and they're going to propose a new one and they've showed driveways and curb cuts and everything that there there is no other Improvement plan shown for uh the other Lots the rear of this um and it's my understanding that there's been some some work that's being done there there placement of stone that's occurred um that's not shown on this survey plan um and that stuff there should really should have been shown on a plot plan or or you know an improvement plan with grading I've asked for grading and storm water by the way um that all that ties into all of this and I can't tell like what you're saying that you're bringing vehicles to that back pink area um the big the big pink Square what are you improving that with stone stone okay that you're this is the first time we're that I've heard this because you don't have an improvement plan showing that um so I have not reviewed whether you know that's appropriate there um what we might be able to do one let me let me finish and there's there's some other there's some other questions you're showing proposed Ingress egress parking and storage this is a residential neighborhood what are we storing there I have you know there's a there's a shed there that sits on that area okay so it's a for the storage shed the shed is already existing there so okay so that I just want to make sure that we're not storing construction equipment back there you know stuff like that um that that could impair the adjoining neighbors no but here's a continuation of that statement we realize that Grant Avenue is a very very busy street especially during the summer especially if construction were to occur on lot 14.02 which is what we're proposing so our goal is to use this area in the back part of the parcel for parking for the contractor's Vehicles rather than have them Park on busy Grant Street there's also meters on Grant Street so we're trying to create a safer condition on Grant Street by allowing the contractors to park on our property and how's the contractor accessing that through right here through the driveway here right and and that's a good question because normally if I have if I'm using the primary home we are not really driving car back here you go out and you come in the third property to access the back here we're not looking to have vehicles cutting through the backyard I thought just said I thought just we to said the opposite yeah that's what I did well I mean there was an easement but what I'm trying to say we're not looking to have direct cut through in the back you just said you were putting Stone there I said there there was Stone the thing the question I asked was a simple one someone said they and I thought they were referring to 12.01 will have pedestrian and vehicular access to the area on 13.02 and that's what I thought pronoun that's I said wait where's that and then everyone just spent bunch of time telling us about a road that's not on here okay went back to that and now we're saying we're not doing that okay I would have to say to clarify my that we have a golf cart and at times the golf cart goes across because it's grass and some gravel so we're really not looking to have cars we will have access through here to get to the back through this property and the way the driveway is designed that we have two we have garages that the cars go under so there is a clear path that stays open okay this this driveway which is shown in blue is labeled as an easement for the benefit of this lot and this lot the are in pink is labeled as an easement for the benefit of that lot and this lot the area in Orange try try and number them if you can just for the sake of which lot is which saying this lot and this lot let's see if we can the blue the blue one the blue on lot proposed lot 14.02 is intended to provide an easy11 14.01 is intended to provide an easement to the benefit of proposed lot 13.02 and 12.01 conversely the pink is also labeled to provide easements cross easement to the other two lots as well as the Orange is labeled to provide cross easements to the other two lots so that we can gain access to this back portion of the property at lot 13.02 so is my understanding that back lot you just circled with your hand is strictly a like a parking lot that's what you're turning it into it's not it's it's a it's it's a um has beautiful gardens on either Edge and right now it has Stone in it because when we go to build this home we need access to the the street floods the street has meter parking and it's a very as Mr King knows who he enters that right across the street he enters to park his car there all the major uh trucks delivering food to the vendors the restaurants and all come right through that curve they come over the West Kate May Bridge they come down Broadway they come through Grant Street and go up to Beach and there's a lot of traffic in that corner it's also the uh uh the beach Patrol headquarters so a lot of people like to park down the end of the street and walk their kids and strollers to where the nurses and the lifeguards are so why are you creating a permanent easement for the construction of one house it'll take maybe a year and a half to do a permanent easement I just want to have it on record that no one can come back and say to me hey you're using that land to put the other cars to park from a different home we own all three properties and we're trying to make the logistics of it uh seemless is I'm just trying to go by the book from I can from an engineer and planner standpoint representing the board the fact that we don't have any Improvement plan for the stone area that I think that you've already constructed is that correct the stone area has been we we had a wedding and there was a big proposal of rain I mean there was a chance of a hurricane there was it's fine you did it without approvals quite simply okay if you have a lot that's greater than five that has capacity for greater than five vehicles there are certain standards we did not review those standards it says it has to be paved or all weather surface um approved by the board engineer um well I was not let me finish so what I'm trying to tell the board is I did not review the requirements for this parking area it is right in the back of of 226 Grant Street there should be some type of buffer there um that's not shown on the plan um so there there are concerns that we have with regards to this and the fact that we don't have an improvement plan for these other Lots is a little problematic can I very quickly just I think I know where you're going correct me if I'm wrong before the board is comfortable issuing an approval for this would you like to see an improvement plan I don't vote ask the saying I'm just saying would that be your recommendation you repeat the question because I can't hear it that means the live stream can't hear it the recording can't hear it please thank you yes very quickly I'm sorry so I'll just repeat my question and again I'm just asking what perhaps your recommendation is to the board I'm not trying to put words in your mouth would you like to see that Improvement plan and have a chance to review it potentially have us come back and maybe provide a little bit more detail as to what you're asking the issue that I'm worried about is that you're going to give me just say we did it as a condition of approval they may give me a plan that's going to drive them back here anyway because it may trigger a variance no because I didn't review it that's why so that's what I'm afraid of so it may be worth coming back with an improvement plan showing us what you're proposing to do you know that is very clear because you know there Stone been placed there and show us buffers show us you know take a look at our standards for parking if it's greater than five vehicles it kicks up a notch it's not just a normal Stone driveway that's required there may be variances and design waivers that are necessary understood um so that's that's my concern yeah and and just to clarify what I'm asking about I'm not trying to speak badly about the plan I don't vote I just get stuck drafting easements and reviewing easements and being blamed when uh these Lots if you're keeping them if you're going to restrict them to being the same owner forever that that cures a lot of my concerns I have that plan very we already did that that's fine but it is challenging for us and for the attorneys when something is happening on one lot for another lot okay whenever you do that it gets tricky all right because if uh 236 was owned by someone different than 248 10 years from now and we had this and then someone to figure out if 230 248 can use this parking lot in 236 the answer on this plan is no this plan has no means to cross from 248 to to 236 what's that um every one of those lots has access to that area back there and every easement is shown that allows access what he's talking about what he what he's talking about are the physical improvements that allow vehicles to travel on them yes the driveways they're not subdivision does not show I know that that's why that's why I'm suggesting that a plot Improvement plan grading yes I age with provided show all that on the board can we can we not try to talk over each other because I'm really having trouble following along can you show me on this plan where you cross where the EAS is from he asked me to show 236 where where where would a vehicle cross that use the block 's the lot number okay two from 248 why are why would they go over lot 236 first of all there's an easement right here for the benefit of both these Lots they just drive out the road and drive right in boom okay I I I understand that but the testimony that got us here was that people will cross from the paved parking lot on the on4 248 and somehow from that pave parking lot they were going to access this pink area back here and then there was talk of this orange stuff which doesn't get it done so if no one can cross from because when you're saying no one is Crossing from 24 under what you just described no one is going from 248 to the pink the pink 236 they're going from Grand Street to 13.02 that has correct anybody in the United States could do that that's not an easement for the benefit of 248 so how does 248 what do you mean that's not they can't drive AC nobody can drive across somebody else's lot George Sir Sir George very quick you know what sir your testimony stands as it is no hold on I'm saying that they would come out street very quickly and drive down this e just very at this point it's not communicated to let's just can we just very quickly I'd like to take about five minutes 10 minutes just to speak with my client very quickly we can come back I think Mr hur's suggestion was helpful and potentially we can discuss coming back and giving Craig a little bit more of what he's looking for to make the board a little bit more comfortable I think the I think the entire board's looking for it I agree agree absolutely absolutely I I just want to ask one question each of these buildings has a driveway am I correct yes and do does that driveway provide enough parking for that house yes according to the standards of our city yes so why do we need this what was your I I can't understand what your thinking was okay again just before we get to that I think that's a very good question but I think it ties into a lot of what we're discussing what it's going to be used for what it's going to be made of so again just five minutes is all I need take a break take five minutes take a break thank you I appreciate it um microphone's off please but they've already they've already e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e put your put the microphone back on I said tell say good afternoon good evening Mr chairman members of the board um thank you for your patience and allowing me to consult with my client off the Record we are going to request an adjournment in order to prepare that Improvement plan that Mr Fus had mentioned that he and I'm not going to put words in his mouth or suggested whatever the appropriate word is um so we would request an adjournment to the December date if possible I think we're going to have a it's up to the board but we already have an application scheduled another one trying to get on so um and I I don't think December 8th is a meeting date am I wrong I'm going to need time enough to review group sorry I forgot to turn it back on I'm going to need enough time to review your plan and and prepare another memo so I don't know when you're going to be submitting that to me but that might be difficult a regular January be better January proba think you might want to do that okay um just this is just for purposes of information is it probably not going to be doing the reorg meeting I'm guessing we do business don't we do business during yeah takes faes okay so if we want to push this to January and just since we're mentioning it now I'm assuming I won't have to Reen notice for that unless of course there's another I'll I'll do an announcement yeah okay fair enough well there may be additional variances if if that's the case then I would regardless of whether or not the board was asking me to so but that's assuming that there are no additional variances I don't think I I might Reen notice now anyway just um yeah I don't know I'm not so much worried about the new variances because I'm sure you had to catch I'm sure you had to catch all in your thing for some more bulk variances I guess the concern is that if the shape of things changes I'm just worried that if that changes nothing yeah absolutely you know what I'm saying if it becomes a parking lot behind that property then I think sure it might be a notied that to so use your discretion but for the 200 bucks or whatever it cost the notice it might be prudent to do it I don't know appreciate you okay I the notice thing is funny they always ask me if the notice is okay say it doesn't affect me you're you're the one who gets your your your thing uh thing so I I would I would do it when is the January date 14 uh January 14th 201 25 okay I'll do an announcement just in case and if much doesn't change then you don't need to notice right so this application is being adjourned it's possible that the applicant if they don't change very much of their plan or don't need additional subst substantial variance that this may be your last notice so please know that this application is going to be heard again on January 14th at 6:30 and this may be your final notice the applicant is not necessarily obligated to Ren notice unless there's a significant change in the application okay thank you very much appreciate it thank you oh you're welcome you're welcome um bill can we do the bills before we go Motion to motion to uh approves the bills so moved second second okay we have a motion by Mr Jones seconded by Mr gorgone Mr gorgone yes Mrs Reed yes Mr rigs yes Mr Jones yes Mr bizer yes thank you fin motion motion to adjourn all in favor I thank you everyone and have a good night e e e e for