how you doing how' you do rotator cuff this is This is the second one over here that's it i haven't seen the doctor i haven't seen what he actually did but we'll see that's why I'm down there playing squash once a week you feel it's starting to
wear out listen the whole deal about that is is if you're sleeping if you can sleep don't do anything right but but if you get to the point where you're not sleeping then you have to do something it got pretty bad and I was it was bothering because I would lay like this
and it would hurt um and my son who's a personal trainer kind of got me working on stuff but he kind of built up over the last like year and a half my muscles around it around it right and I just played a little less and mostly got rid of it you know but I know if I play a lot it'll do it again and that is sleep exist i did my knee was replaced January
31st this I'm an idiot i'm really an idiot but I'm at the mercy of the doctors right i'm going to Hawaii and with my nieces and nephews and so it's this is I'm going hooker crook so I had this done and then me but this was
hurting me more than my knee but I couldn't get couldn't do it with the doctors dr an finally got this done and the only thing I could do with this was like five weeks later to do the shoulder or else I have to wait till July so I did it and it's okay the
sneeze come along really well testing this one is like you can't sleep on this stuff it takes I'm finally getting some sleep in my bed finally a little bit in two or three hours that's perfect i can do that you know the physical therapy right i can't
turn your mics turn your mics on yeah all you look at in compliance with the Open Public Meetings Act of 1975 adequate notice of this meeting has been provided if any member has reason to believe this meeting is being held in violation of this act they should state so at this time everybody pledge of
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roll call please karen yes mr bizair mr jones here mr riggs here mr crowley here mr gorgone here mayor Mullik here deputy Mayor McDade Mrs reed here Mr
lhome up Mr producus here Mr krippen here thank you we have one resolution for approval tonight number 03- 25- 2025 1 col 1 Katherine A
healey 230 236 and 248 Grant Street block 1019 lots 12 13.01 and 14 anybody make a motion to approve motion by Mr gorgon seconded by Mr
paducus mr gorgon yes mayor Mullik uh due to my absence I abstain thank you Mrs reid due to my absence I abstain mr crowley uh yes mr riggs yes mr bedus yes
mr krippen i abstain mr jones yes thank you and we have one set of minutes for approval february 25 2025 is there a second i'll second could I get the motion i
didn't hear oh Mr crowley motions mayor Mullik seconds is that correct yes thank you Mr gorgon yes mayor Mullik yes mrs reed
abstain thank you Mr crowley yes mr riggs yes mr padus yes mr krippen abstain mr jones yes thank you can you change Mayor Mullik's i apologize i think he was supposed to I
was absent i don't know yet we have no applications for this evening we have discussion first item is the master plan consist consistency review of draft ordinance hyphen 2024 historic preservation commission recommendations
for an ordinance establishing limitations and regulations for off- streetet storage of trailers in the city of Cape May i I think the Yeah the HBC's here talk you're certainly welcome to say your
piece go ahead mhm okay hello everybody i'm Jake Stevenson i've been a commissioner on the HPC for the past 5 years and uh I'm really thankful for you guys allowing us the opportunity to get up here and uh present this today thank you Mr
chairman Mr mayor thank you councelor Mr engineer I mean Mr engineer and members of the commission um just as a matter of um a matter of like where this whole thing started was about a year and a half ago the city was playing around
with the idea of prohibiting parking underneath structures and that ordinance never went anywhere it was subsequently pulled before it went out but um and in practice the HPC has in key
and contributing structures we have in practice denied garages underneath structures but again that's only from our concern with historic structures um I can see the genesis that where this
came from regarding garage doors under buildings started in some of our neighboring communities to the north where when you ride down the street along the beach all you see is garage door after garage door after garage door in front of those garage doors there's a
large large poured concrete apron that goes across the sidewalk right to the curb many times there are five or six cars parked in front of those garage doors um that may be appropriate in those communities but you know regarding
the streetscape and the feel of Cape May um it wasn't proper for us um regarding parking on a street which sometimes that happens when cars come out and block the sidewalk uh under city
code 722 we have that covered parking of trailers RVs on the street and Chief Fashaw and his men and women do a great job enforcing that so we don't want to step on their toes um I was asked by the
HBC to conduct some research into ordinances that might fit the bill sample ordinances and we literally looked at dozens of ordinances from around the country ultimately ending up with five or six that ones that we believe were workable um including
Belleview Washington Cape Coral Florida and right here in South Jersey Stratford um I presented a lot of these sample ordinance ordinances to our solicitor Chris Gillan Schwarz he provided legal
review for it and he was able to whittle it down to basically what you almost see now in front of you on this draft additionally it received um zoning review under title 40 by Mr herurles and so it's really been distilled down to a
quite workable draft ordinance um I think at this point I'd like to take a look at the ordinance everybody has here and you know one thing that I have to say is that our authority comes from the
Department of Interior Secretary of the Department of Interior National Park Service and the National Historic Register it's very limited in scope and we recognize that you have a much greater and wider authority concerning these type issues so we're only
interested here in presenting what affects streetscape our narrow authority and we're not here to extend our control into other areas if you look at section A on page one it it's a definition of what we're
talking about here um motor homes campers trailers boats boats trailers without boats um and we you know even put in there the length um nothing is worse than when people are
walking down a street in Cape May and they see you know beautiful Victorian homes that have been restored and there's a 40ft red Donszi cigarette boat parked right up to the curb or a 1971
uh Winnebago that has seen better days so our intent was to kind of hide those things a little bit now if you go to section C this is our main concern again this is strictly within the realm of authority
of the HPC streetscape um we're concerned with um design we're concerned with materials we're concerned with massing um and orientation so in this regards I mean anything in front of the house
definitely has a delletterious effect on the streetscape so none of the above may be stored in any area between the front property line and the front facade of the principal structure on the property storage shall be limited to side and rear yard areas and must maintain a
distance of at least 6 ft from any property line again now I want to clarify that that is not under our purview we're just suggesting this we realize that's something that this board and zoning is concerned about not us we're only concerned that a Winnebago or
something park may affect the line of sight for people who are walking down our sidewalks um we're not interested in the other two section F um it will be unlawful for any person to park store keep maintain at any time on any vacant or unimproved
property in any zoning district any motor vehicle motor home camper boat trailer of any kind type or description including boat and trailer in combination this shall not apply for any approved special event again we're talking about the feel of the community
the streetscape if you're going to have what appears to be a used car lot in the middle of the historic district you know we feel that that's a concern of ours um we also under G section I guess it's I
I recognize that people may want to conduct routine maintenance on their RV or their boat so you know we feel it's only fair to allow someone to bring their boat or motor home up onto the property so they can wash it conduct routine
maintenance um and that that's really um I know that we are not really concerned about the other provisions because you know they're out of outside of our purview and we'll leave that up to you people who have that control
um just in closing um you know our number one industry is tourism in town and the reason why people come here and we have a 10 and a half month season is because when they're here there's that special sense of place that we have heritage touris
tourism cultural tourism our other shore communities don't share that and it's important for us to keep that that feel that sense of place um and it's not only for our visitors
but in line with the current quality of life initiatives that the city is has ongoing right now we feel it's a perfect fit for our local residents people who live work and play here that it's a neat tidy uncluttered street shape
streetscape so we all benefit from this um I think that's about it i just wanted to point to on the draft ordinance uh Mr had had shown on 763 on page two about the you know the planning
zoning boards HPC and council have made significant strides to coordinate their roles in the development review and planning process continue to coordinate the efforts of the historic preservation commission planning board zoning board and city council through education and layers on so basically you know our
attempt here is also just from our input to help coordinate the master plan as you people move forward um I would on behalf of the HPC I would like to thank you all for your time and your consideration of this matter and we are all gratefully appreciative of the work
that this board does as well thank you anybody on the board have any questions good so just a couple couple points here um one I just have to comment that um I was able to actually go up kind of
unrelated to this at a training and the chairman was there what a great training and and our HPC has really made some huge strides and trying to work with the community and try to get them to get that buy in
um has there have you seen an increase in I guess obviously because you're bringing this ordinance um to us have you seen an increase over the 5 years you've been on the HPC that this is been an issue just you know just nothing that's been
presented to us because it's never in the form of an application this kind of thing happens just in everyday life after we approve things but you know as a local resident and people on the commission as well you do see these kind of things where there are these big trucks and trailers parked at the front
of historic property right okay no and and I just have to say that I've personally seen it myself and um I I think that it's a worthwhile initiative um to get behind so thanks for the presentation all right thank you all
thank you thank you Jake appreciate it thank you John mike I did have a question go ahead uh go ahead no no no actually it's for Craig you're gonna make a presentation craig let me let me just Oh god you're gonna do me summarize i may answer all
your questions so so just this is this is a little unusual and it it it's not inappropriate in any way it's a great idea um so this ordinance originated from the HPC as a recommendation and they're asking the planning board to
look at this um and essentially do a master plan consistency review we typically only do those for our zoning ordinance which is chapter 525 this falls outside of that but it is related to what we do we plan for streetscapes
we you know that that is sound planning where we look out for our streetscapes we look out to protect the historic um preservation and and qualities of our community so it's not inappropriate um it's good practice uh that being said
this ordinance falls under chapter 7 which is your vehicles and traffic code so it's not thing that the any either the planning board or zoning board would be considering in reviewing any applications this is an enforcement
issue so it becomes uh it's either code enforcement or police department would be enforcing this ordinance just just so everyone's aware that we would never be granting ordin uh variances from this you must comply with it or you're or you're subject to the whatever
punishment that's in this ordinance okay that's I just wanted to get that out of the way um now that being said um uh Mr stevenson mentioned part of it which is um I I pointed out what specific parts of the master plan it's
consistent with um and he pointed out the coordination with the of historic preservation efforts the interreation between the HPC the governing body the planning board zoning board etc that's a great you know it's it's certainly consistent with that and um you know it
it should be commended um the other direct language in there that it is consistent with is um it promotes the recommendation for appropriate historic district streetscape which it which states it is recommended that individual
property owners businesses be required to retain the historic character of the historic district streetscape by obtaining period appropriate lights beaches and similar items and prohibiting inappropriate lighted signage i think along the same manner of how that is viewed of protecting that
streetscape would be you know where it's appropriate to place vehicles and how long they can be there um that that's the nexus of this ordinance um so therefore I believe the board can find it consistent and make a recommendation to city council to adopt it um it also
there there was no direct language in there with regards to streetscape so one one another step back this is a city-wide ordinance it doesn't just pertain to historic district citywide so um you know the
language that I found in the master plan was directly related to the historic districts but I can tell you that streetscape considerations are a concern for all of our zoning matters whether it's you know planning board related whenever we grant a v variance does it does it impact the streetscape etc like
that so it is certainly consistent with with our goals and intent of our master plan so um it's really all I have this quick summary if I happy to answer any questions question
i did have a question um the the the master plan is actually then silent on the larger issue of whether or not it would be advisable to allow people to put motor homes and boats and trailers on their property under any
circumstances uh and that the master plan only addresses the nexus between the historical preservation rags and this practice is that is that accurate i think that's fairly accurate yeah so so in other words this this is a this is
actually a a quality of life policy proposal that that we are the planning board would be neutral on but the council would probably have to weigh in yeah the the the governing body could adopt this at any time and they wouldn't even have to ask us for our input okay
um but like I said that coordination between the various boards and historic commission um that's a that's a good thing and so the debate on whether or not it's a good idea to allow essentially boat storage on private
property during the course of a winter is a good idea or a bad idea that's not our decision to make well I think you can make a recommendation i mean you're Well that's a separate that's a separate issue too talking about streetscapes and
stuff in front that's correct yeah that's what I that's where I was going Dennis that the the other issue not addressed by this discussion with HBC is really for the first time codified in this proposed ordinance so this ordinance proposes
then it that it will be the policy that you can store mobile homes and trailers and boats on your property if you comply with these regulations yes all right can I add one more certainly
one interesting thing that we found when looking at these sample ordinances was that several of them applied the same provisions that you would to an accessory structure or an outbuilding to an RV or a boat and they applied the
same setbacks and again that's under zoning but some of them were that specific that they treated them just like an outbuilding or an access accessory structure okay you had a question can I just ask a I'm
sorry so how did we get to the 24hour mark was that just from other sample ordinances or was that just something did we pick that number out of a hat cuz I'm just uh trying to think how how did
we get to the 24hour number um during our review we did find there were several that were 48 hours some 72 and as it was being chopped down that's just what ended up you know there was wasn't really that strong of a recommendation
again and I think it's still a little bit beyond our purview but um it could be 48 it could be 72 and and I'm just asking that question because I I feel like it could cause an issue for enforcement if it if we allow Well you
know so just picking the arbitrary number 24 hours it kind of like you almost have to nail tag that trailer or or whatever's out there and yeah so yeah I I kind of agree with
you uh on that Justin because like someone brings a boat back from a marina they want to clean it and what have you i mean it's going to take them a full day to do that and you know 24 hours later they haven't just moved it uh could create an enforcement issue and
and maybe something a little bit longer than that i also know of uh couple of instances or a couple times where uh someone will become visiting a family member who lives here and they happen to bring their camper their RV with them
parks it in the driveway maybe even stays there for a couple of days or or a few because there's not enough room in the house or whatever so it might be a little bit ownorous um I like the idea of it but maybe stretching it out a little bit might be more appropriate yeah i'm just not sure
how like I I like the idea and kind of where we're going with it just I I feel like it could be an issue in terms of the practicality in the enforcement end of things because you'd literally have to go out there you'd have to have an
officer tag it and then have to be able to circle back around and I mean Yeah so Mr chairman I just wanted to you know in in my former life I was a chief of police on the next barrier island up the line and in the town that I worked in we
had an ordinance preventing any RV people living in them anywhere in town and I mean it was twofold i think the idea number one was that it you know it takes away from people are staying in our our hotels our motel um again
there's problems with what kind of sanitary facilities these people have and there's already an ordinance about parking along Beach A in an RV so it would just be extending it into private property again not that that is under
our purview but it takes away from that beautiful home that people put a lot of money to look at that Wnebago streetscape no and and and I appreciate that so kind of where I'm going at with it is either A you say "Hey you can do it," or no you can't do it at
all right that's my right right like either A yeah go ahead or B no you can't do it at all the enforcement on the B no you can't do it at all is a heck of a lot easier than policing a 24-hour if you want to do it if you want to do it you you're going to recommend a 48 hour
to 72 hour i I I'd actually recommend the 72 if you're not if you're not if you're not happy with the 24h hour do you want to recommend 72 or 48 hour what I would like to do is is bring this to the quality of life committee meeting at our next meeting and get some weighin
from some of the various uh should we have a consensus here we should have a consensus here too of some sort yeah my my recommendation would would be to extend it i mean maybe 72 hours uh again it gives people Boers um which is a big
big uh community down here gives them enough time to do what they need to do with their boat um then on the other side of that the RV guys can stay the weekend now great well good point yeah Craig and the larger issue is that uh we don't know
for sure we don't know for sure whether it would be acceptable to the neighbor of a property that keeps a 30ft mobile home for uh from October to uh May and whether or not that's a good idea or a bad idea for that neighborhood the RV
has to be his RV though so I just had a resident call and say "Hey this RV has been parked next to my condo for 6 months and it looks like it's falling apart." So you send code out they do
their thing is that kind of the gist of where we're trying to get is to create some parameters so can say "Hey you got to get that that out of there." But I'm saying from a policing standpoint the 24
hours might be difficult to achieve long term made on off that topic a little bit um my question was the uh vehicle codes we have now for parking RVs on the street
do we have any anything that prohibits them from parking long term because during the summer I notice lots of them being parked along Pittsburgh Avenue and uh I know some people have complained about it but they still
remained parked I didn't know if there was an ordinance pre preventing that and if you prevent people from putting these RVs on their property will they just park it in front of their house on the street or is there a time limit 7-22.2 says no no person shall park any
house car camper mobile home private utility house type semi-trailers trailers boat trailers with or without boats semi-trail or pole trailer whose gross weight is in excess of 2,000 lbs upon any street alley or public right of way within the corporate limits of City of
Kate May between the hours of 12 midnight and 6:00 a.m of any day so you can't park a camper or mobile home between 12 and midnight on the street are conversion vans included in that um what i didn't say there was worse i
don't know there are a lot of conversion vans you said between 12 and 2,000 2,000 lbs would cover that right mhm right okay did you want to say something about the the composition of the
Bob did you want to say something about that we talked about it come over in the car what's that what's it actually I I actually talked to Jake earlier and it and it really doesn't apply okay you're talking about in the back in the back yeah uh that has has nothing to do with what they're talking about they're only talking about
anything in the the front and side of of the property has nothing to do with anything that's stored in the back of the property that's not what their intent is okay and that this was you know there's a a piece in here where it says that the
area has to be paved or stoves or whatever a hard surface and um you know some people do store the boats in the back it's out of sight out of mind people don't know that it's there and uh you know it's kind of ownorous to to make them pave their backyard in order
to store a boat there for the winter and typically that would be a smaller boat anyway I just I don't think I answered your question i don't know exactly what a conversion van is the first item says house car i'm not sure what a house car is either but maybe that sounds like a
conversion van but it doesn't say conversion van but I don't know exactly what it is it sounds like it would be included but you can't park a house car that was the one that Desi and Lucy used in when they traveled to California back
in 1958 but just to highlight it does also cover boat trailers empty boat trailers on the street is is prohibited for 24 hours there there's a significant number of
ordinances that address a lot of this for on street so this is more pushing it on the property requirements i think that's the big big change here
that one well do we want to make any recommendations can I I can make a recommendation i would recommend that in the narrow context of Jake's report and the language provided the issue of HPC uh compliance HBC
requirements we we can recommend that but I also think that we ought to recommend the larger issue of whether or not it's a quality of life issue to the quality of life study committee to see whether or not the city of Kate May wants to have off- streetet vehicle
parking uh for a seasonal or a yearly or an annual basis it's some it's something I would feel personally uncomfortable even making a recommendation on because I just don't know enough about it and uh so I think this language is tight enough and good enough but the larger issue
ought to be referred to the quality of life committee that would be my recommendation and on to Mr crowley's point in case anyone is um not aware the quality of life committee um does include the city manager city engineer myself the zoning official the
construction official the fire official um Mr hurles on occasion Mr gillan Schwarz on occasion so it's really that work group that could maybe sink their teeth in a little bit further and see if
this is a you know what what type of language we could come out of that so I figured I would offer that but before if this planning board is recommending that we proceed forward with a council recommendation for an ordinance um I
think it should go to that committee first before it's introduced should should we have a consensus though amongst ourselves u I personally think this is acceptable as is personally my only recommendation would be the duration of time i think 24 hours uh
like Justin has said is is kind of difficult to enforce in fact very difficult to enforce my recommendation would be 722 hours and that's from being a former boat owner and uh knowing what it takes even to for a small 14t sailboat that I used to maintain uh what
it takes just to put it to to rest for the for the winter so So with that you know I necess I don't think necessarily you have to set yourselves on 244872 to refer to the quality of life committee i could certainly bring that
um issue up and and kind of roundt it and get that feedback and report back to this board if you'd like i mean I think all we have to say tonight is that we find it find that it's consistent with the the master plan with respect to HPC
right so I mean I think that's enough and that I mean it's it looks like a pretty fair ordinance it might need a little tweaking here and there but it's consistent with the master plan and I think Justin you heard you know kind of
what we've said right and suggestions here can bring that to the the committee i have a one comment um is probably better made at city council than than for the planning board because I agree this is probably consistent and especially for the for
the HBC um I think and I think the uh ordinances that we have on the book in regards to uh street parking and it make all the sense in the world i do see a little bit of a difference personally on the private
property regarding the boats um RVs and people living in RVs on the property i think there could be a obvious potential to be a bit odd and other real issues but um like I I go you go down some of
the um village green streets and I see like a tiny boat you know 16 to 20 foot boat um and I to be honest with you I go by it and say "Oh there's a little Boston wher and it's just I don't see that as
necessarily offensive." Um and they don't have a backyard to put it in um and we are an island we are we are a boating community um so I just I I just put that out there as uh RVs i I I
totally get it that I think you have a lot of different issues with that and we've had issues with RVs in the past especially parking in public places and everything but um that's just my opinion any suggestions where we go we have to
make a Yeah motion to to send this back to council we have to say one way or another just I mean it's not a master plan review i mean it's more of like informational and whoever it is that's shephering this can take your thoughts and relay them to whomever back to your
committee and then let them go back to that committee so they they've heard the one other little caveat to what I just said is it maybe size matters in that you know I mean you might not want to have a huge yacht in your front driveway
you know so I guess I I am saying there's some limit to that but again I just I've seen little Boston Whalers or Bob Grady whites you know and uh it's the 30foot mobile home that's Yeah I I
see that as the and people living there i mean people aren't living in the boat even if they're not living there um they're utilizing it the uh at what point does the the city become a a a vehicle storage facility as
opposed to a residential community mhm especially we are a boating town and if a if a if one neighbor sees another neighbor storing his 30-foot boat in his yard and he's paying x number of dollars to store it off land or offshore then
then why not why not move that boat on onto the property too so it becomes a a domino effect and it's it's an issue like I said before it's an issue that I think needs to be fleshed out significantly because it's a brand new piece of
legislation and this this language with respect to the narrow concern of the HPC is fine i think I would recommend that we we adopt a resolution supporting that language as consistent with the master plan but allow that larger issue to take
its course through the city government itself that's my thought it's just very difficult to legislate you may because all the streets are so different i mean you when you're talking Congress Street having a bunch of boats in the front yards of Congress Street just is not really what you're looking
for um but then when you talk about where you were mentioning where they have no backyards and it's not really historic um a 15 foot wher in the front you know people live so I I just regulating them all generally in one way is is difficult maybe for non-historic
areas you have an exemption that they can apply for if they don't have a reasonable area to store it and just leave a little out you know if they can demonstrate to the zoning officer that they don't have a reasonable alternative to their driveway in a non-historic district they can do it in the backyard something like
that just kind of do it in the front yard just to kind of recognize no not all and and the problem is the the ordinance it is speaks volumes on on street parking of these things but it it's completely silent on off streetet
parking well what are we talking about this thing or the no the current ordinance oh the current or I was talking about the No no okay so that will go we'll just we've discussed it and everybody knows where
we stand maybe some tweaks maybe on later on um other items of discussion next up I'm not sure how we're going to respond to these state development and redevelopment cross acceptance response i'll handle that okay go for it okay um so I think we talked about this a little
bit last time but just to refresh everyone's mind so the the state has proposed a new state plan and as part of that they invite all of the municipalities to participate this uh under the umbrella of each county so um
they've asked us to do a crossceptance response um and they have a template for that so they call it the cart and I have because of time constraints I have done um a lot of the filling out of that document um I
have not completed it yet and I've reached out to the city manager city engineer for some input but due to time constraints and we have to submit that to the county no later than next month May 30th
2025 um so what I would like to do is put together a draft circulate that to all the board members and allow them to have the time to review the draft state plan
which is 10 and some pages um I've summarized a lot of the elements of it um in in part of my response but to give the board some time to digest that and give me input for our response back to
the county um and the county forwards our responses to the the state actually um and registers those with the state um so that is where we are with that there there's some time constraints with that i just want to point out that that is going to be ongoing and kind of on the
front burner um and then the next the next item on the agenda was the master plan implementation um that we we also have time constraints with regards to our affordable housing plan um I know that we that's not specifically what
we've been talking about lately but I think our focus will need to shift to that soon because we have to have both our uh affordable housing plan and a new housing element approved before the June
deadline that the state has set for us um so those things are coming up quickly is that a June one deadline or It's a June I I can't remember the date off hand but I think it's a mid June mid to late June deadline what is it that we need to do for that um so you're going
to be adopting a master plan element the housing element as well as your affordable housing plan is that something you're going to like present to us yes I will we're act the city's actively working on putting that together right now but I'm
just letting the the board know that these are things that are time-sensitive and we're going to have to start shifting our focus um over to those knowing we have what next meeting Karen there's a big meeting next meeting so we
probably won't be able to get to it next meeting i understand so that's why I'm that's why I'm trying to let you know now that there's some planning that has to happen be and we have to we have to recommend so back to back to the the cross acceptance that that is also a
governing body endorsement too so not only the the the planning board would recommend to the governing body and the governing body will will that's not something we can give you recommendations we have to have a discussion about it correct yeah we'll vote on it the final document yeah but
so right now I I what I'm going to do is finalize a draft circulate that along with links to the to the state plan so that everyone can review it review the state plan and provide any additional input once again I author these things
for you it's not it's not me making the decision i you know I'm happy to provide input in my you know analysis but ultimately it's it's the city and planning board's document okay okay
so that's all I had for those two items okay next payment of bills is there a motion we pay those bills okay mr crowley motions mr crippen seconds mr gorgone yes mayor Mullik yes
mrs reed yes mr crowley yes mr riggs yes mr produces yes mr krippen yes mr jones yes thank you any other items to be discussed motion to adjurnn i'll make
that motion second all in favor i thank you everyone good night makes off