need to turn the mics on. >> Turn your mics on. >> Okay. In accord Oh. In accordance with the Open Public Meeting Act of 1975, adequate notice of this meeting has been provided and advertised. If you'd all stand, please
for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
>> All right. Have you all had time to review the minutes from last month's meeting? >> Yep. I have a question. >> Okay. Sure. um about 303 South Broadway. >> Okay. >> The sentence that says vice chairman to
motion second by commissioner York to approve and I think it's missing the removal of the Bradford pair. >> Okay. >> So I think that just needs to be inserted. >> Move a Bradford pair. That is a lot of diabet.
>> Right. Okay. So, another um any other corrections? >> If not, I'll entertain a motion that we pass the minutes from last month's meeting. >> Pass it as corrected. >> As >> Yeah, the motion to u pass the minutes
as corrected. >> And Carol has seconded. >> Yep. >> Okay. All those in favor? I >> I >> against pass. >> Yes. Lauren, would you do roll call, please?
>> Were you ready for that? >> I thought I meant to do it. >> Well, Carol, you do it this time, then then you can next time. >> Okay, just follow me, Lauren. Um, Jay is excused. Shane, >> I can't vote. >> No, but roll call. >> Oh, I'm here. I'm sorry. I thought that
was based on the minutes. Excuse me. George A. >> Yes. >> Here. I'm getting confused. >> Barbara here. >> We're here. We're here. >> George W. >> Here. >> Joelle >> here. >> Jim >> here.
>> Uh Tracy is excused. Frank is excused and Carol Sick are excused along with Jay. >> Okay. All right. We've already approved the minutes from last month's meet the last meeting which was actually in September. So, we do have a >> and we're going to do the um
>> we have a quorum. >> Yes, we do have a quorum. Um I think we should hear from Solicitor Gillan Schwarz first. Good afternoon, members. Uh Chris Gillan Schwarz, city solicitor. I wanted to um
come and and talk to you all about the proposed changes to the shade tree ordinance and and this was in connection with a lot of discussions with the subcommittee uh Mr. Mr. Warner and Mr. Meyers council liaison.
Um just talking about I think the genesis of this discussion was about landmark trees and we have currently have specimen trees in the current ordinance and the idea of uh establishing a landmark tree process and what that might look like and then the
concept of a tree bank. Um and both of those concepts are reflected in the draft that's before the shade tree commission. In addition, an an item that you didn't necessarily ask for, but I I took the liberty of making some suggestions in here about strengthening
and improving our review process and not necessarily doing an overhaul, but trying to have the ordinance better reflect uh the review process that you have in place and taking into consideration the
the concerns that the Sha Tree Commission appears to be taking into consideration when it's reviewing these applications and kind of organizing that in a way that uh hopefully you could if if anybody is ever confused whether it's an applicant
or a new member or maybe an old member that may be out of the loop for whatever reason could sort of serve as a northstar for what the Shade Tree Commission is doing at every one of its meetings when these application come applications come before them. So I'll
I'll get to that in a second. But uh I'll just go through and outline the changes in here. So, one of the we we previously had a specimen tree or currently have a specimen tree uh designation in the code, but not a
lot of uh information as to, you know, it's really tied to size. But given the city's interest in historic characteristics and other factors, I I proposed a definition in here that allows the Sha Tree Commission to make a
designation either on public or private property. Um, and based on a physi physical biological criteria, so size, age, species significance, b cultural, historical criteria, maybe there's a historical association or or
just community value. um recogni recognizing you know that may be old Mrs. Jones tree and she comm contributed to the community and planted during childhood. You know, just giving an example of something like that. C ecological and environmental criteria.
So even if those other characteristics aren't applicable, you might look at habitat value, aesthetic, landscape contribution. Um and providing that any resident, property owner, member of the shade tree commission can nominate a tree for designation. And then what what that
would trigger is the Sage Tree Commission evaluating the nomination and uh formal consideration and a vote for designation would take place at a in public at a regular meeting of the Shade Tree Commission and the public would
have an opportunity to participate and comment and then uh once it's approved you would have a landmark tree registry that would be an available resource. you know, be available on the website hopefully that you could just, you know,
see what landmark trees are out there. And then finally, uh, because private property trees are regulated and may be subject to a landmark designation, if it's on private property, want to have an avenue to give notice to the private property owner is to before that
designation is made so that they might have an opportunity to participate and comment. Maybe say, "Oh, it's not so important." or maybe they say it's a great idea, but at least giving the private property owners making sure they have an opportunity to participate and comment uh before that
designation is made. Uh there's a clarification in here about the existing tree specialist and and the intent that it they act as a professional resource to the shade tree commission. Obviously, uh I've watched a number of your meetings. It's not tree specialist isn't
like sitting here like maybe a uh planning board or zoning board engineer may at every meeting but uh having that as a professional resource on an as needed basis I think is the intent there and all that's doing is clarifying that
um throughout here we're just removing some uh references to significant specimen trees and replacing it with the more broad uh broader and more defined landmark tree definition that we just went over. Um
confirming in here in the event that emergency removal is authorized, we already have a procedure in place for that. That there's no application fee or replacement mitigation requirement in connection with removal. Um again, these are all suggested comments that the board should all consider together. Um
but they're those are suggestions confirming that the uh application fee is non-refundable. And then getting to the the heart of the matter which is the grant or denial of permit and the standards. So what what this does is we we currently have
standards in place. It's not like the Shade Tree Commission doesn't have uh a standard for review, but this really I think spells it out clearly and sets expectations for board members um for city staff and for applicants. What am I
getting myself into when I make an application to the Shade Tree Commission? What do I have to present? And it might organize these applications in a way that's that may seem chaotic to to somebody that has never navigated the experience or moved here from a place
that doesn't have a shade tree commission. They're like, "What? You regulate private property trees? They didn't do that in my home." Well, City Kate May is different. Um, and by the way, if you have any questions about it, you should be able to read in the code how it works. And um I think getting
that message out there to applicants in the code is just as important to helping you guys work through efficiently the amount of applications that you do get. It seems to be quite a bit at this point because there's a lot happening in Kate May and has been for a few years now. So
one the removal criteria and really this breaks it into two. Um and and again I've watched a number of your meetings you have sometimes it's so clear that it's a it's you know that whether it is removed is very clear based on the
particular circumstances but it may not be clear to the audience but this kind of outlines why it might be so clear and why some of those why there some are close calls and others not. So there's a removal
criteria and the replacement criteria. So, starting with the removal criteria, the shade tree commission's going to evaluate um first of all, no person's going to remove or cause to be removed any tree without first obtaining a permit from the shade tree commission.
That exists today. That's not new. It's just restating that all applications self-satisfy both the removal criteria and then two, move on to the replacement mitigation criteria. If you don't meet the first criteria, you don't get to the second. So, you really got to go one and
two. Um and for the removal criteria, the shade tree commission is going to evaluate each application for removal by considering the following factors. Some of which may weigh in favor of removal and others against it. And it indicates next to each which which weighted
portion it is. So one, whether a tree is dead, disease, structure structurally unsound or poses an inimate hazard to persons or property that weighs in favor of removal. whether it causes an unavoidable conflict with utilities, sidewalks, or public infrastructure that
cannot be reasonably mitigated. Again, weighing in favor of removal. The treere's age, size, species, including whether it's invasive, non-native, or of limited habitat value, weighing in favor of removal versus whether it is native, mature, or high ecological, historical,
or c cultural significance, weighing against removal. the location of the tree, including whether it's highly visible from the public right away or contributes to the neighborhood character, weighing against removal versus whether it's minimally visible or hidden from public view. In that case,
it will weigh in favor of removal. Whether the tree is designated as a landmark tree, uh that would be considered against removal. Whether pruning, treatment, or other reasonable management techniques could preserve the tree in place as an alternative to removal, weighing against removal,
nature and extent and quality of the proposed replacement and or mitigation with robust replanting or mitigation plans weighing in favor of removal, though not dispositive. So that determination is a balancing test and those that's supposed to give
you like a framework as to and give applicants points to hit for the board. Um, and the commission shall weigh the applicant's justification for removal against any proposed mitigation against the public interest in preserving the tree. And it's going to be authorized only when you determine that the
benefits of removal, including any proposed mitigation, outweighs the detriments. And this is very similar to a planning or zoning board context. There's always nothing's perfect. You know, there's always going to be positives and negatives. But the board's job, just like those boards, is to weigh
the positives. And if they outweigh the negatives, then you grant it. If not, then it's denied. Um, and that'll be a very familiar standard and familiar terminology to applicants navigating those other boards. So, and it's always on the applicant. They bear the burden
of demonstrating the sufficient justification under the criteria. It's not your job to get to a removal. It's it's the applicant's job to make a presentation to you that the benefits of removal outweigh the detriments. So, and this I think kind of like corrals that
into an organized um kind of checklist, but it's not it's not like you count all these up and like, oh, they four out of five. Like, they can be weighted, you know? It's not it's not intended to be just like, oh, count these up and check check check. It's really just to give you um a more
organized way to look at each unique circumstance because property is unique in New Jersey. Every property is going to be different. Every tree location and every application is going to be different. So what you do there is not always going to be like, oh, you have to do it over here. But this at least organizes it with some objective
criteria that you can evaluate fairly each application to the next. Um, >> everybody understand that what he's saying? >> Yep. >> Pretty much good. It's good framework. I think >> it it's it's it's lending organization
to what we in in the past we were really relying on um a set of rules that didn't seem to be written down, >> right? >> That seemed to be legacy rules that were passed down from commission to commission to commission. Um what I think uh councelor Gillanswarts has done
is put this in black and white for everyone to see and here's here's the criteria. So, it's it's really eliminating the uh um the the flying by the seat of our pants, >> the emotional as well,
>> and it adds teeth to our mission. >> Yes, sir. >> It it really puts um it may take it's aimed towards taking out the emotion or maybe like the the perceived subjectivity of some of this
out of it. Mhm. >> Um, you know, and and being able to point back to these and refer back to these in every one of your applications is going to strengthen your decision-m and the city's defense of that ultimately. Um,
so if I could, I would just give you two brief examples of how this could play out in a an application context. So, example A is where removal might be warranted. You have a tree of 15 inch in
diameter, invasive, non-native tree. The location's in the back corner of a private yard, not visible from the street, largely screened by existing buildings. The condition is it's structurally unsound with the large dead limbs overhanging a shed. The
alternatives would be pruning, but would not eliminate the hazard as the main trunk is compromised. The applicant in that case may propose to replant two 3-in caliber native trees in the front yard where they would enhance the streetscape canopy. And in that case, if
you weigh all those all the factors together, you don't have to, but you might find that the benefits of removal in that case outweigh any detriments. You know, you're getting some new canopy in replacement for a non-native dying tree. Essentially, the counter example
is you might have a 25-in diameter native mature species, prominent position in the front yard, fully visible from the public right away and contributing significantly to the neighborhood character. the condition of that tree could be healthy with no signs
of disease or structural weakness, but you have sort of a situation where it might be inconvenient because it's raising some of the sidewalk. Um, which you you you might view as that could be reasonably addressed through root friendly sidewalk repair rather
than just throwing the tree out with the bath water at that point. um and the mitigation proposal applicant offers to replant three smaller trees elsewhere on the property. I mean that could still be a close call for the shade tree commission and in that case
you know you might encourage applicants to get creative with their mitigation proposals and we'll get to the mitigation in a second but there there is a combination and this goes to the tree bank the combination of replacement full replacement physical replacement of trees based on size and then there is a
mitigation fee in lie of physical replacement and that those funds would go into the tree bank for the shade tree commission's purposes of furthering doing tree preservation and those initiatives. Um so that's where if it's there may be cases that it's on the
line. Um and you know encourage applicants to come up with a creative solution that hey this is really important tree. It's a good resource but you know what you're proposing is you know roughly compensating for that loss to the tree canopy and to the ecosystem
and to the aesthetics. So really leaving that discretion to the sha tree commission but giving you the toolbox and the factors to consider to do that. So moving on to the replacement and mitigation criteria. There's a proposed table in here and I'll tell you that the table in here is not something
I came up with. It's from the NJDP's model tree ordinance. So the uh the DBH uh diameter at breast height and replacement criteria is really drawing from that NJDP model ordinance that a
lot of other towns have adopted as part of their shade tree commission ordinances. So there is um some foundation for this elsewhere throughout the state if you were to recommend and council were to adopt this. But one thing that's not in the um uh NJ
ordinance, but could be incorporated as part of this is you may, and we already have this in our current ordinance, but it's kind of just restating it here, is that you may have an application where the vegetation on that site is already kind of overwhelming or robust, and you
may say, you know what, we don't need to like overplant this site. So, why don't we do a mitigation fee in lie of a physical replacement? Um, and then you go to the table and what are they removing and go to the DBH and the
measurement and it gives you a fee or a replanning schedule based on whatever category you choose. So you just go to the menu, go to the type of tree that's being removed and then you go to the replacement obligation and the applicant can make a proposal to you and you can reject that or you can modify it or you can do some combination of that.
Ultimately the discretion would be with the shade tree commission but it gives some expectation here and allows applicants to make that a proposal to you and say hey you know what I think it's overplanted I got a landscaping architect that says the same thing we think this would be good we'd rather do a mitigation fee what do you guys think
you know and then you can you can balance all that against you what's going on on this site so that um again preserves the circumstances where the general eneral guidelines for replacement may be
unworkable do you due to unique conditions and in that case the shake tree commission can determine the appropriate replacement obligation. So this is a guideline um that you're probably going to use in nine out of 10 cases but for the unique cases you still have some flexibility here to craft the
resolution um and and then as part of that that fee structure is tied to the tree bank. So you would establish a tree bank and the mitigation fee funds that are collected would go into that new tree bank that
you created. So >> excuse me, Chris. >> Yep. >> Would you talk about the value when it comes to mitigation when it comes to trees? The value of the trees if you want to uh offer them to pay into the tree bank.
Um, so there in this ordinance there is a mitigation fee. Uh, you may be referencing the one in the statute that um there's two tree values really. So th
this one is establishing a local um mitigation fee for replacement. >> For replacement, >> right? Right. Okay. And then, >> oh, I mean, I'm sorry. I'm talking about based on what your new proposal is here, not not on uh, you know, pi pi r square times uh, whatever that is
>> there. Right. Yeah. So, that's that's the penalty the penalty calculation that's in the state statute. This is um, this is not necessarily as severe as that. This is just in lie of replacing you know if you have a tree that's DBH
of 3 in to just under 13 in you can either replant one tree with a minimum uh caliber of 3 in or you pay $300 per tree that is not replaced >> and then it the gradient goes up from
there. you know, then you got to do two trees or 600, three, it's like it's 300 times whatever the replacement is. So, it just moves on from there. Um, but again, you have you have the ability to craft a resolution
based on whatever the circumstances are presented in the application, but this is provides a good starting point and maybe the end point for most all applications that you deal with. >> Um, >> it certainly clarifies it. Oh yeah. Yeah. I do have a question about
replacement alternatives. It's in section C where um it says the the applicant can do the following or combination there of plant replacement trees in a separate area approved by the shade tree commission. What is that
separate area? Can I I mean, if I have don't want to plant a tree on my property because I've had one cut down, I can go to his yard and plant a tree or >> No, I I Well, >> kind of vague. >> Well, potentially uh you could uh what what most likely
and what that was intended to really capture is people that may replant. They may remove a tree in their yard, but there may be a strip of sidewalk in front that's vacant. And you may look at that and say, you know what, that might be a good
spot for a tree. And it may not be their property, but it's adjacent and it's on a public rightway. And because the state tree commission has the authority to remove and approve those, you could, as part of that application, you say, you know what, if you're taking this off on your site,
put it on the right the public right away immediately in front to give you the flexibility to do that. >> Okay. But I think that it should be something that we would have a say in as to where that tree gets. >> It says approved by the shade tree >> says approved by otherwise. Yes, >> that's and that's Yeah. Think of the
example of an overplanted um an overplanted property, but the the immediately adjoining public rightway is just a strip of grass. And you might say, you know what, I guess the site's overplanted, but this the a good replacement spot would be right in front of your house in a public rightway. And
of course, you have the jurisdiction to do that there. So to give you the flexibility to problem solve those types of unique situations. >> So should separate area be like public rightway instead of >> well >> to limiting I think keeping it the way
it is leaves you to the discretion to determine that because I'll give you another example. It may be the case that two neighbors get together and say you know what I'll take the tree over here. I think it would be good to have a natural barrier and if the two of them present you like they've sent in a
letter consenting to that that could be another alternative. It that's probably going to be really rare but I wouldn't want to foreclose that opportunity either. >> Okay. Thank you. >> So that's um aside from those are the main substantive changes and proposals.
The only other, it looks like a major change in here, but really it's just a restatement trying to uh clarify the rules of the road between planning and zoning board, HPC, the
interplay between the boards, and that's in 4827. So, I'm crossing out that entire paragraph, and it looks like a whole new world order in there, but really it's the same thing. And it's just to confirm hopefully in more clear language that and and this is for applicants and for
the city's interaction with these um HPC doesn't override shade tree commission there there may have been some confusion about that before. I don't think it's reasonable confusion but there some people think oh I got this approved here
the driveway goes there I can take out a tree. It's like hold on a second you got to come to the shade tree commission for the tree part. HPC is not mistaken about that and they have a standard condition in their resolutions indicating that. However, given the more kind of robust
review process and the planning considerations and the submittal process and all the professional review that goes into planning and zoning board applications in order to not pingpong everybody around. It does make some sense and because they review vegetation as part
of the vegetation plan, it does make some sense to have some finality there that if they're proposing a a plan, a planning plan or removal plan as part of an application process, they can send that and get that approved finally by
the planning and zoning board. but making sure that the shade tree commission at least has the ability to review and comment and the boards have the ability to review that prior to passing on the application. So applications that only require construction permit or an HPC
application, the tree determinations would be made here. If an application is going, if it's a subdivision, it's a you know site plan application, if it's a zoning board application, and there's tree removal as a component of that, those boards could make a final decision
on that. But after giving the uh shade tree commission an opportunity to comment on the application so they have that, you know, whether it's a review letter or some other feedback from the H or from the shade tree commission. So that's not really changing. It's just clarifying that in the code. Um,
restating it hopefully in a clearer manner. And that's that's really the extent of the changes. I uh I provided a resolution uh to your board secretary to for you to
consider um as the Sha Tree Commission recommending this version to council, but you all can review and discuss whether that's what you want. Can we talk a little bit about the tree bank? >> Sure. >> Um your u your idea on the tree bank is
that um for example on the mitigation fee. If if an applicant um doesn't want to plant a tree, doesn't want to take advantage to move the tree to another location, then that equation that's in there, listed in there in
terms of what the the fines or penalties could be, that would be the donation or the contribution into the tree bank. >> So, the fines and penalties would come in if if somebody violated the tree ordinance. But the mitigation fee, which is what would be put in the shade in the tree bank,
>> um, yes, is is is a considered a last resort under the ordinance, but it's a it's a last resort option where replacement or either on-site or off-site or not workable. All right, let's turn to the tree bank and then whatever that amount is would been be
deposited in the new tree bank fund. >> Oh, thank you. >> The tree. Okay. And that's the purpose is in there, but it's a it's a going to be a city account that it's going to be dedicated and used to plant, maintain, and replace trees in public spaces, provide for long-term canopy management
in the city, and promote activities consistent with the city of Kate May's designation as a shade tree commission. So really, all the stuff that shade tree commission does. >> Thank you. Good. >> Further questions. >> Any other questions? Anybody? No, I think it's great.
>> If there's questions, >> excuse me. >> If there's no questions, perhaps we should talk about the resolution we'd like to pass. >> So, I just I prepared a simple resolution for the Shade Tree Commission to consider. It just indicates review of
the ordinance that we just went over and discussed. Um, and then that you would be recommending it to city council for consideration for adoption. And then if it's adopted, I can uh Councilman Meyer and I can bring it up to all of council. >> Yes.
>> Okay. >> All right. Well, I think it's I think it gives us a a more concrete rubric to go by with with making judgment calls and and various things with all the trees. I think it's it certainly clarifies a lot of ambiguity that may have been there
before. So, I thank you for all that. And um does anyone have any further questions on this? Should we entertain a motion to pass it at this point? >> Sure. I'll make a motion to accept the revisions to the ordinance as presented.
>> I second it. >> Seconded by Jim. >> All those in favor? >> Well, let's do a roll call. >> Roll call. >> Carol York. Yes. Carol Sick is excused. Jay is excused. George A. >> Yes.
George W. >> Yes. >> Joelle, >> yes. >> Barbara, >> yes. >> Jim, >> yes. >> Uh Tracy is excused. >> Motion carried. >> Still passed. >> Six.
>> So, uh just timing wise, u we typically don't introduce new ordinances towards the end of the year. So, realistically, I would expect this to be on one of the first couple agendas for 2026. And um I'm sure Councilman Meyer will
keep you apprised of that, but we'll shoot for an early 2026 uh place on an agenda for council. >> On a sidelong glance on a practical standpoint, my colleague just put some put something in my ear and I and I
absolutely agree. I'd like to come up with some kind of summary handbook that we can put in our glove box so while we're out, you know, it isn't we're flipping pages that we have something that summarizes this right to the bullet
points as opposed to all of the flower illegal language. >> I I totally agree with you. I was thinking right along those lines when it comes to the water bill something out we've been working on what's new. >> I agree.
Shane, when do the water bills go out? >> Quarterly, but I don't know. >> Yeah, first quarter. >> So, it would have to be in the first quarter of next year. >> Not the last. >> It has We have to wait till it passes. >> Right. That's what I mean. >> Well, Shane, that's like the Q&A that I put together to put on the website.
>> Okay. >> I don't know whether you can use that or >> absolutely >> needs to be. I would think. Good. So, I was I was I was going to bring this up under new business, but I can give this to Lauren and maybe she can put it on the uh the website.
>> Okay. Excellent. >> Um and I think everyone has seen it. The only change that I made was adding our phone number and the email address. So, it's the same as was >> as it was before. >> Yep. >> I think that's a good idea. We need to get the word out so people are aware of,
you know, just where everything stands. >> Thank you. >> I can't say I didn't know. Yeah. >> Thank you, Mr. Ver. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you guys. >> Good job. Thank you. That was >> very clear. Great direction for all the boards. >> All right. We'll keep working on it with
council and we'll keep you posted. >> All right. Thank you very much. >> Thanks again. Appreciate it. >> Now, should we go through all the appeals or >> We're also accepting donations for the tree bank. >> Not yet. We'll have to do a fundraiser
first. Um, Matt, since you're here, do you have something you'd like to talk about? You have anything to present at this point? >> Sure. >> Okay, >> come on up. >> Come on. >> Yeah. >> No, it has to be green. >> Green. >> There you go. Uh, Matthew Notch,
Top-Notch Tree Care, 2956th Avenue, and West Kate May. Um, well, following up on Mr. Gillan Schwarz's uh, comments, which were I think is really good uh, in moving forward and a lot of points he had. I I
had a couple thoughts on what he mentioned was uh, replacement tree value. I think he mentioned $300. That's what I just we looked at it. Now it goes by the size of the tree. So some of the it increases. Carol, you have that
>> schedule right there. >> Um >> if I'm if I'm correct, I think all those numbers are in the state guidelines. >> Yes. Right. >> But it goes by >> Yes. >> Y. >> So for example, if it's got a DBH of 3
in um then that would be a $300 tree replacement. If the DBH is 30 13 in to 22 in, it's $600 per tree and it increases as the tree size goes up. So >> perfect. >> For example, 23 in to a 33 in is 900 per
tree. Anything greater than 33 is 1,200 per tree >> or certain amount of trees based on this size >> or replant four trees for the for the last. >> I just I heard 300. >> No, that's what I asked Carol. I said, could I see that? Yeah, I I asked that to her before.
>> Yeah. >> And then uh the other goes thought I had going listen to Mr. Schwarz was uh about the constru construction damage on trees and that's uh you know talking to Mickey Rigggins who's consulting arborist in the majority of trees that die is from
construction damage that could have been avoided. So I don't know how much communication there is with this board and like the planning and zoning board. Um, for example, you know, there was a large I grew up in Washington Street. There was one of the largest oak trees
in all of Kate May that got destroyed during construction uh right near the tennis courts there that had to get removed after the two houses were built where there was one house originally and the tree was literally u you know
probably 36 inch diameter DBH oak tree that was 2 feet from the foundation of the house. So it it it the house should not have been built there or the tree should have been removed prior to the construction. It was just a silly situation because then they had to remove the tree after the fact there's
two new houses there. So it seemed like there was no one from the the the no one really ground truth. I can't imagine someone would go there and looked at that saw the tree and said, "Yeah, we're going to put a house right there." So I I guess they probably looked at the paperwork, said the setbacks are met, it's fine. The house
can go in. So, I mean, communication between the boards would probably be really um important. I know West Kate May they're required. I I do volunteer on the Shade Tree Commission in West K. And uh we have to get a tree inventory prior to anything happening. That's before any construction, demolition,
building, anything. So, the tree the trees are mapped um on the property and then we see where they want the house and driveways and things like that. And then you look at that, you're like, "Oh, this won't work." and then maybe you could talk to the contractor, maybe you can shift the driveway over, things like that. Maybe they won't and in that case
then the tree obviously needs to come down and all the replacement stuff needs to happen. But I just like once again talking to Mickey who's a consultant arborist, he says a lot of this stuff's avoidable and it's just it has to be done before anything's done during construction. We didn't have our uh we
didn't have the tree zone for construction back then. >> That that driveway should have never been put there. And not to mention the construction that's probably been driving over it, but we have had that since then. >> Yeah. >> We have the trees zone. We have the required construction barriers.
>> Uh we do we do when we get the construction maps, the site plans, we do have the trees are existing and we go to look at it. But um that's certainly something we need to look into. >> You know, they don't always mark the trees on those plans.
>> Sometimes you have to >> Well, that's true. You have to call the >> Yeah. >> whoever whoever's looking to build to find out what their intention is. >> I think is this a good time to talk about the watch list?
>> Yes. And I also before we get off the subject of that property that you're mentioning, we lost three trees from that because with all that construction going on, the silver maple at the one tree that got taken down last year and now the where those two beautiful ginkos
were, one is most likely not going to leaf out in the spring. It's been that's suffering >> and uh so that and they were like two of the nicest ginkos in the town. So definitely construction is hugely impactful in a negative way and they
weren't protected at the time. So >> but I think but I think we've seen >> the code enforcement team here. >> Oh yes. >> Once you let them know as you as you drive through your district looking at some of these construction sites once
you inform the con the code guys that there's perhaps something that has to be corrected they they're very quickly responding. Yeah, >> but we like I said, we didn't have that ordinance before. We didn't have the word. >> Lauren, is there a way you can ask Miller if you can stop?
>> I mean, now during the meeting, can you message him or something? >> No, >> that's okay. We'll just talk about it otherwise >> if you find. But >> Shane, you were going to bring about your watch back. >> Well, I just want to bring up a concept to the commission that we were some of us have been discussing, which is
something that we don't necessarily have to put into the code books, but it's a watch list. So, we have some people that leave this commission unhappy with our ruling and so they say to themselves, well, I'm going to trick the he turn the heck out of it, you know. So, I think as
commissioners or as a body or as even a community, we should look out for these type of trees, you know, these >> if these people are going to purposely damage the trees and we notice it. >> All it takes is one piece of paper. It's a list of trees that we've noticed have
been uh abused, I'm going to say, and and potentially are going to die because of it. And if we had just one list, you know, a year from now, I'm going to say, I I mentioned that tree, but there's no documentation that says, >> right,
>> we mentioned that tree, you know, and that tree had died because of uh the poor treatment of the tree. I just think it's something that we can it's an ongoing list we can consider if we feel like someone's purposely trying to avoid uh the
>> our ordinance purpose of ordinance. >> Yeah, I agree. >> So, I have the first tree to go on that list. >> I know the one you're talking about. >> I think I think we all have some trees that >> 122 Illinois. >> Yeah, exactly. >> Well, let's I'll start the list right now. >> And I actually I actually spoke to Bill
Miller. We discussed that particular situation. So, >> I'm going to put it right on my folder. It's going to be an ongoing list. You're going to be the watcher. The watcher. >> And what was the reason for that? >> Uh, it was a large tree and they large silver maple.
>> Yeah. And they said it was too close to the house and it was going to fall on the house and kill their kids. And >> so what did they do to the tree? >> Well, then they dug a trench for the sewer line around the tree. And then they came back and they um
pruned the tree, >> if you want to call it that. They just kind of >> and then they came back the following day and cut it even more >> more. Yeah. Yeah. >> I mean there's about >> they took off at least >> that's that's two. >> I took those pictures in the pouring
rain. >> I remember that day >> and that's one you called. >> That's why I was glad it wasn't my district. >> Yes. >> Yeah. But I did look at that. >> Wonder if I have. >> Well well Shane that that goes that that that question that we we have to come to
some resolution. left of it. Yeah. >> Well, that was the first trimming >> of how we >> of how we observe or how >> that was and then that got cut more. >> I'm not going to use the word regulate trimming trees. >> Um, you know, what's overtrim? >> Oh, I I saw
>> Is there a definition? >> I don't know. >> There is. >> There is. >> Yeah. How would you >> So I I think Shane what you're getting at a homeowner unfortunately a homeowner could probably cut the tree as much as they want and there's not going to be enforcement
there unless you can figure out a way to enforce that. If there's a contractor involved as a contractor we have as a New Jersey licensed tree car operator we have to prune the standards. So the company that did pruning the homeowner hired that company. It comes down to the
company. home owner is not going to be responsible. I mean, they hired a company that if that if that if that person hired me to do that work, I wouldn't have done it because I could lose my license, right? >> Or get written up. You get three strikes kind of thing. You can kind of pull your license. So, it comes down to the
contractor. So, and we're set to pruning standards which which are set an American National Standards Institute ANI standards. So, there's criteria. We're only we we're only allowed to prune x amount in a given year based on
factors. Um so if Nellis Johnson, who's our enforcement officer for C County goes there and he did go to that situation, he's going to write that tree company up. Um so if they get, you know, they'll have violation notice or multiple violation notice. He always
asks to take photos of it happening, right? >> Because it makes it his job a lot easier of the work being done. Um he he asked me questions on that like how many people were on the job site where they were in hard hats to Dave cones out >> you know he can see the work they did but um taking pictures is big for him
for the enforcement >> of the truck truck. >> Thanks Matt. I did not know that. >> I think it was >> I didn't know that either >> that. >> I don't know about homeowners. I mean they could probably do what they want with their trade. >> Well, they can't kill it. >> They shouldn't be able to kill it. No, that's the whole idea of us doing that.
But >> I I'm gonna I don't want to hold you guys up, but say hi Lauren. I haven't met you yet. >> Um I could currently we're uh we're doing the tree work for the city and um what would be helpful for us is when um when people call in to uh the shade tree
and to the commissioners, you get have your designated areas when that work orders uh given. Um and this was our our first time doing it. So it was the first time I saw the list. Um, there were some question marks I had on there like uh like I'll give you one instance. One of the properties I pulled up to with my
guys. There was u one tree listed for work to be done on it and there was three trees and it was a corner property. So I was like, "All right, are we doing Reading Avenue or is it New Jersey Avenue, whatever they the intersection was." So, uh, we end up doing all three trees, you know, but it only it didn't specify what trees all
three trees need to be pruned. And then sometimes the species may be incorrect or not note it that would be helpful for so the more detail you can give Lauren to give me would be appreciated. So very specific instructions um because I could
spend three hours in one tree I can spend 15 minutes and it's a huge price difference. So um the the flip side for me being an arborist on paper I there's probably I wish Mr. feels here. There's a little bit of liability on me like and I don't know how that would work out
being the city contractor for the time being because if you tell me to do X Y and Z and I see something else that's hazardous I really can't let that go and and so if I can call you all on case by case and Lauren Lauren forward me your contact if I can if I could call you up
and say look I'm here um there's a hazardous broken limb that no one saw I have the lift set up we need to do this I'm sure you'd probably be okay it's not going to add much time and I did that with George on one case. I'm like there's a the neighbor across the street was freaking out about the broken limbs and dead limbs and there I'm like look
it's going to take me 15 more minutes. I'm like set up those street. It made more sense economically for everything. Um so I guess there's case by case thing that things that'll come up and I'll probably reach out to you on occasion >> if I have questions. Um I think we
welcome that. >> Yeah, exactly. We did the same thing with Ocean Street. Remember there were two pair in Barbara in your district two pair street trees that were to be trimmed and there was a neighboring pair tree >> third pair trees. >> Yeah. So we just did all three. >> Yeah. >> You know at the same time
>> and if you have any feedback for me to make it easier. Please feel free because you know uh u Mr. Maner was doing the tree work forever for his city for for a lot of years and uh we this we've only done it for the one month now and uh I'm
probably operate a little different than than he will. Um, but you know, more information given me the better. >> Absolutely. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Matt. >> Okay,
just get to the rest of the agenda. >> Go to the consent agenda. >> Well, first of all, with the consent agenda, I'd like to remove 450 West Perry. And that's my district. And I don't know
what these other 1129 Washington that is the silver maple. Is that correct? >> We looked at this before. >> I did not look at I was going to do you want to >> I think we I'd rather go through these instead of doing the whole consent agenda. I'd rather do each one at once.
So 450 West Perry. >> Okay. >> That's my district. So, I'd like to comment on that. The tree at 450 West Perry is a sycamore. Um, Frank McCloskkey put that recom that request
in for its removal, but I had Matt took a look at that and we reduced the crown substantially. So, the tree >> that's the hollowed out one, >> the hollow tree, but we've got plenty of hollowed sycamores in the city. >> Oh, yeah. But as long as we keep the uh the crown in check, it usually the tree
is able to remain at least for a while. We have one on on uh Ocean is it ocean? >> Yeah, on Ocean Street that's hollow for like 25 years. I mean, you could walk a little dog through the bottom of it and it's still it's still alive. We just reduced the crown periodically and it
keeps it going. So, >> would you like to make a motion for >> I would make a motion that we um do not remove the tree at 450 West Perry Street. >> Okay. We have to word it positively. >> I'll I'll second. >> We have to make a motion that to remove
the tree >> and then a yes vote means to remove it. A no vote means to >> let it remain. >> This is so >> I know, >> right? Isn't that how it's supposed to be done? >> Yeah. I mean, it's it's an application for removal. So, you're going to either approve or deny the application. >> Okay.
>> Okay. So, I make a motion to remove the uh tree at 450 West Perry Street. >> I'll second that. >> Okay. And so, uh yes is for
>> and a no is for keeping. >> Yes. Preserving. There we go. >> All right. >> George A. >> No. We explained it so much. >> The vote is to approve or deny the application. >> Right. So, no.
>> No. Carol York. No. >> Barbara. >> Well, I didn't really understand what we were discussing. There was no I understand whether it is, but there no explanation on >> the tree. This is a support tree that's uh somewhat hollowed out, but they trimmed the the crown back so to stabilize it.
>> So, they want to make a vote to deny the application because they think it's viable to keep. >> Okay. So, would you approve the application to remove it or deny it? >> I will approve the application. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, Barbers, yes. >> I didn't understand that part.
>> George W. >> No. >> Joelle, >> no. >> Jim, >> no. >> Okay. Tree stays. >> Okay. 109 Cape May Avenue. That's >> That's my tree. Yes. And that's a small
tree. It has a couple dead branches on it, but it it's not a hazard. It's not in any danger. And I had I denied the request. And I said I would look at it in the spring and see what it >> I think that's a good
>> and it's hard because it's losing its leaves now. So you can't tell. Well, I can't tell you can't branches and which are the live ones. So >> Okay. >> So >> So we'll revisit that in the spring. >> Okay. >> So we need to put a motion through. >> All right. So, I make I'll make a motion that we u approve the removal of the
tree at 10009 Kate May Avenue. >> Do I have a second? >> I'll second it. >> Okay. Um >> I can't. >> Okay. George A. >> No. No. >> Going. No. >> Carol. No. >> Barbara.
>> Yes. We're gonna Are we are are we I'm trying to figure this out. We have nothing here. We only have addresses and so forth. Where are what are we doing about the application itself? In other words, if people come in and they want to >> I don't we're not having any explanation
here. >> Well, Carol just Oh, in on the paper we're not, but Carol just explained the situation with this particular tree. >> Just approving making application to have somebody go and take a look to see whether or not is approved.
Uh, I'm not follow >> you certain I'm certain the commissioner the district commissioner actually filled out the paperwork and got it into Lauren or Connie at the time and she's actually commenting on it to bring it to a vote. >> This is her district. >> Okay.
>> Carol was commenting on the tree because it was her district. It's her recommendation that we keep the tree. >> Okay. >> So, the majority of the votes so far is that they do not want to remove the tree. So, they voted no. because we she's unsure how it's going
to leaf out in the spring. It's not a hazard. It's a small tree >> and she said we would revisit it in the spring. >> Okay. >> So, the motion to remove the tree if if you say yes, the tree gets cut down. Now, if we say no, it remains and we'll see how it is in the spring. >> So,
>> is it Barbara's turn? >> Probably take my my uh answer back and say no. >> Correct. >> You can do that. >> Okay. >> So, Barbara says no. George W. >> No. Joelle, >> no. >> Jim, >> no. >> Okay. Tree stays.
>> 1041 New York Avenue. That's you, Jim. >> Yeah. Um, this is just a revisit. It really wasn't um it was a trim request. It was not a removal. So, I just I want to be very clear about that. Um during my subsequent followup with the
first um instance of this, I met with the applicant homeowner and then prior to speaking with him for this new trim
request, I gave the information for Matt and I gave him the information for ACCE, the very nice um representative who sat here and introduced her uh
herself to us with her colleague and he appreciated that. But he had also did a follow-up correspondence um to the chairman uh requesting the ability to override
um the utility aspect and the and the street tree trimming requisite. And I had my concerns because we spoke, George and I, we spoke about um the
improbability of of such an action. Um I spoke to my colleague and he thinks maybe there's something that can be worked and that's perfectly fine, but it's out of my purview, >> right? >> Uh this would have to be by com, you know, by full commission. Well, my my
concern, which we discussed, is the homeowner would just be able, according to the way it was worded, just be able to get to any tree service that he wanted. And as long as it's a city tree, and we have Matt Notch employed as our city landscaper at this point, it would
have to be done by him. >> Correct. >> So, I don't know if the homeowner, you know, wants to take it upon themselves to have to pay for it. I don't know where we stand with that kind of thing. He's willing to do that, but he wants to bring in his arborist who trims his
quite nicely manicured crepe myrtles on his property. >> Well, we I don't we can't allow that on a street tree and set a precedent and it's not >> I'm I I I'm in total agreement. >> Yeah. >> But I told him I would give him every
quarter and I'm here to I'm already 75 cents in. Well, well, I think first of all I'm kind of surprised that ACCE trimmed those trees because they really aren't a huge tree and that they're not interfering that much with they usually
do the overhanging wire. So, I'm I'm kind of surprised that they did that. But at this point, I don't see we can't allow a different person to do any kind of >> George by ACC you mean >> Atlantic City Electric. Yeah. >> I don't think we can allow anybody else other than our own city landscaper to
work on that. So, I as I had stated in my email, I think this is non-actionable at this point and uh and we'll uh he has my um the applicant has my information. If he needs to do a
followup, I will stop what I'm doing and go visit him. Uh I've been I've offered nothing but respect and dignity, right, for this entire entire process. Mhm. I, you know, I appreciate his concern for having trees and and wanting them to be
taken care of properly. Matt, maybe you can take a look at those trees at 1041 New York. They're crepe myrtle. I don't think there's a lot that needs to be done, but that's up to you to, you know, make your own assessment and see what you think.
>> I don't know. I don't remember. They may have been. They just kind of have a notch out of the top of them. >> No pun intended. >> Oh. Very good. >> Yes. Very good. >> That's it. >> That >> Yeah,
>> that that is the tree planter according to down. He's he's very concerned about the actual date that that has to be done, which he says is between the last week of February and the first week. I mean,
his passion is unparalleled. >> Matt, maybe you can just sit up here for the rest of the time so that your voice is noted in case we ask any more questions for the minutes of our meeting. >> Thank you. >> Thanks. All right, we'll move on from that. >> So, no action.
>> Oh, >> no action. >> So, we have to make a motion on that. But I don't know why that's a >> No, no, >> no. >> Non-actionable. >> Not actionable. >> Okay. >> And it says and it actually it's underneath tree removal request, which I don't understand.
>> It's not a tree removal request. >> I think Yeah, I think it's >> in the wrong. >> I think you should remove that from that removal list. >> Yeah. >> Yes. Should there be a motion to do that? >> Yes. >> I recommend George, if you want to
remove this from the list of applications, I would make a motion. There should be a second and a simple yay or nay should be fine. >> Um motion to uh remove 1041 New York Avenue from the tree
removal request as it is only a trim request. >> Second. >> Second. Carol, let me do a roll call. >> Yep. I'll do a roll call. U George A. >> Yes. >> Carol. Yes. >> Barbara.
>> That's what I just was going to say. Is that what we're talking about? >> Yeah. To remove it >> because it's only going to be trimmed, not removed. >> A yes vote is to remove it from the list. >> Was that >> a yes? Yes. Vote is to remove it from the list. >> Okay. >> Did you want to vote to remove it? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Yes. Thank you.
>> George W. >> Yes. >> Keep up with them. >> Joelle? >> Yes. Jim. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> 1129 Washington Street. >> Joel, that's your district. I think you looked at that before. It is your district, correct?
>> Yes. >> I know. I looked at that, too. That's that silver maple. >> Yes. >> Here, let me let me double check, guys. Hold on. Let me I have everything here. One uh 29. >> Excuse me.
>> You said uh Okay. Here, let me pull it up. >> What was the address on that? >> Um 1129 Washington. >> And we had discussed this tree before. And at the time we discussed it, we said that it would be um I believe it was
Carol Sik and you Carol brought up that it was covered with vines and we should have the vines removed. And >> that's 11:55. Is this the one where There's a shared driveway. >> Maybe that is it. No, >> with the lady that was going to have knee surgery. And
>> is that 11:20? >> Oh, that's the sycamore, right? >> Yeah, >> that's right in the curb cut kind of be where there the driveway could be. >> Yeah, the big Oh, that one. >> I think she came She came in here like twice, >> right? She came in here twice before
>> before. So, that should be removed from the uh that should be removed from the agenda. >> Okay. Okay. So, we already voted on Yeah, we >> I remember distinctly Yeah. that we It was a continuous >> Yeah. occurrence. >> I'll make a motion to remove it from the list. >> Yes.
>> Okay. Do I have a second? >> I'll second it. >> They're removing. >> Yes. I want to keep it. Absolutely. >> George, >> yes. >> Carol, yes. Barb, >> yes. >> George W. >> Yes. >> Joelle, >> yes.
>> Jim, >> yes. >> Okay. It removes from the list. >> Okay. 1422 Missouri Avenue. It says front of home between sidewalk and street. >> Yes. Okay. So, I submitted a request in September to remove that tree. It is dead.
>> Okay. >> And then the homeowner submitted a request last week saying it was dead. And trust me, it is dead. >> I believe you. >> Did you give a CPR? >> It's beyond salvage.
All right. So, we'll entertain a mo motion to uh remove that tree. Then >> I'll make a motion to remove the tree at 1422 Missouri Avenue. >> So seconded. >> Okay. 1422.
Uh George, >> yes. >> Carol, yes. Barb, >> approve. Yes. >> George W. >> Yes. >> Joelle, >> yes. >> Jim, >> yes. >> Okay. tree goes.
>> Okay. >> 10:49 >> 1049 Ohio. That's you, too. >> That's me. You've been busy. >> A trim request. It's not. >> See, I don't know. We have to get these. >> It's not a >> And I'm looking now at the 1129 Washington. That's a trim request on
here. Scott Gibbs. >> Oh, so 1129 is not >> It's not the is not the same. >> It's not the same. the lady with the >> no with the parking situation. >> Parking situation. >> So, this is a trim request at 11:29 Washington.
>> So, 1049 Ohio. It's a um I I believe Atlantic City Electric has to do it because the homeowner is concerned that the branches are around the the service wire that leads into the house. >> Okay. It's a pretty big tree and I don't
know, Matt, whether you would trim it or whether Atlantic City Electric needs to do it. >> That's >> uh Lance the Electric if it's within 10 ft. That that Sycamore is 1131 Washington Street. >> The one that
>> where the driveway, >> the one that was requested for removal. I'm just looking at maps. 1129 >> where is Oh, so this is next door. I knew that could sound right. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> And there are trees in front of that
house. >> And what are they? Sycamore. You have the map there. >> Yes, I'd say they were. >> I think so. >> Yes. >> Don't quote me on that. >> That's separated.
>> So, should we refer 1049 Ohio to Atlantic City Electric? >> Yes. >> Okay. Sorry, Carol, you asked me about uh electric lines. Um if there are primary electric lines, which are considered >> usually along the streets from pole to
pole >> and there are there are pole to poles between some houses in in town here and you'll see them. So if it's it's a it's a power pole to a power pole, the electric company has to clear electric lines. If it's pole to house, they're considered your your house utilities or
house drops. >> Okay, >> they will not clear those. So a private contractor can clear electric lines to your house. >> I think they might be both. >> Yeah. So we can clear from pole to house. We can't clear between pole to pole. Nor do we really want to. >> Right. Yeah. Yeah. Because the the ones
that are overhanging the driveway are pole to house. But there's some that are going that way. >> Yeah. >> Pole to pole. >> Pole to pole. No. Pole to house. Yes. >> Okay. So you can do pole to house >> which is 90% of
>> okay >> the stuff too. >> Okay >> that we do >> um >> or we call electric company and they send as blond or whoever their contractor is. >> Okay. Um so do we need a motion to remove >> well we need a motion to um Yes.
>> Right. So >> although these are all trim >> I'll make a motion to remove 1049 from the removal request. Do I have a second? >> A second. >> Okay. Um, George A. >> Yes.
>> Carol, yes. Barb, >> move this. >> Ohio. Are we back to Ohio now? >> Was that a yes? >> I I'll say no. >> No. >> Okay. Um,
>> does Matt are you are you in agreement, >> George? We're talking about electrical wires. >> George U. >> George W. >> Um to remove that from the >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Sorry. >> Joel.
>> Yes. >> Jim. >> Yes. >> Okay. Uh the request is removed from the removals. >> All right. We have a number of things here. 215 Heritage Triangle. That's a that's a property that is in my district. I checked it out. They wanted
to remove a number of Japanese black pine trees. Uh several there's one that is very difficult to tell whether it's even on their property or if it's on the neighboring property, but out of those I went tree by tree and uh emailed uh
Lauren and Connie at the time too just exactly which trees should remain and which ones should be, you know, they can take out if they want to. There's no reason to take the trees out. They're not a hazard. They're not they're sturdy looking and they um they wanted to redo
the the landscaping and I just think they can enhance between the trees rather than removing all those trees. It was something like 10 trees including one of them which was a cedar not a pine. So >> is that behind >> that's um >> behind West Nail area. Where is that? >> Yeah, the Heritage Triangle is behind
there. Yeah, where the diner is back in there. >> Okay. >> Yeah, but there's quite like I said I think it was 10 10 or 11 trees. >> That area has some really great pine trees. I know they're cool. >> So that's 215 heritage. So
do we have to vote on all these? I guess. >> Yep. So um make a motion to uh remove the >> No. Oh, yeah. I'm sorry. Go ahead. >> To remove the trees at 215 Heritage Triangle. >> I second J.
>> No. >> York. No. Barbara. >> Yes. >> You want to remove those? >> You want Barbara says let him go. >> George W.
>> No. >> Joelle. >> No. >> Jim. >> No. >> Tree stays. >> 404 Clay Street. Whose district is that? Did I look correctly?
Is that your district, Joel? >> Yes, it is here. Let me double check this real quick. I have it right here. done with this. Oh yeah. Okay.
Uh let me see. I don't I'm I'm looking through it. I don't have an application. >> Oh, yeah. So, I have I uh inspected this property. Um the tree is very much dead. It's not in the way it's not close to the uh the city or won't affect it at
all. Um it's in the area typically affected by strong winds. And if it falls due to weakness since it's dead, um it could damage the homeowner's garage. Um I can provide some pictures real quick if
that's if you guys would like to look at it. >> I just came, >> but um I messaged Connie >> that it's a dead >> and I I would approve of its removal. >> And that's this pine tree that we're referring to. I just found this application. Oh, it's definitely dead. >> Yeah, it's dead.
>> I'll pass the photos around. Oh yes. Yeah. I have um the app I have the other photos right here if you guys want color if that's not color. But um >> I think they are in color. >> They're color. Okay. >> They are in color. Yep. >> Nice. But yeah, it's it's dead. It's um
unlike the other trees around it. Um in that area they specifically have strong woods like I noted and uh the garage is closed. If it falls it becomes a problem for their insurance and other things. So yeah, and it's not in the way of the city or affecting it. It's in their own
type of property. >> Okay. So um >> so make a motion. >> Sure. >> To uh remove the tree at 404 Clay Street. >> Second someone. >> So second. >> Okay. Uh George, this is you, right?
>> Yes. >> You you don't need to look at it. Barbara, >> yes. >> George W. >> Yes. >> Joelle, >> yes. >> Jim, >> yes. >> Trios.
>> Okay. Next up is 13:30 Ohio. >> Oh, no. 1701. >> 1701, >> New York. >> That's in my district. >> I don't You're good. Thank you. >> You took one off.
right here. >> I see. I don't have I don't have the same thing that you have. >> That's not on my list. 1701 New York. >> I have 1330. >> Well, you just >> I have 1701 street. >> I'll do that now. 1701
>> New York Avenue. >> New York. >> That's in my district. Um I did the followup execute a document. >> Um let's see to approve. Yeah, the removal
of two trees is yes. Yeah, the trees are um the roots are >> dislocated um due to wind. Um they are blown over. They're shallow root trees.
Uh, can their first trees? >> Um, >> yeah, they're cedar. >> Yes, I >> see them here. >> Uh, they're not. >> Oh. >> Um, they're they're bent over. There's there's nothing straight up and down about these trees. >> Mhm. >> Um, and to
>> the point of the applicant, this property is inundated with vegetation. >> I see that. Yeah. He's making a request that um he be exempt um from
um replanting trees. However, in an effort to um remedy >> for Ohio Avenue, >> his request, um I'm going to make a recommendation
for two trees per removal at the old rate of $200 per for a total of $800 for remedy.
of uh replacement trees for our tree bank. >> The tree bank. >> Yes. >> So that's a longer recommendation, but I can make a motion of that in in the same. Okay. I move that we all um
approve the applicants uh application um with the caveat that the two trees that being removed that it's two trees per for a total of $800 to go into the tree bank. >> Second.
>> Okay. George A. >> Yes. >> Thank you. >> Uh York. Yes. Uh Barb, >> yes. Yes, >> George W. >> Yes, >> Joelle. >> Yes. >> I just want to give >> Yes.
>> Excuse me. I'm sorry. >> Tree goes. >> I want to give a point of order. Um, the tree bank is not law yet. So, we have to get some legal advice whether we can >> hit them up for the money.
>> Hit them up for the money. >> No, I don't think so. Um, we did have a $200 amount though >> in place. I'm going with the old amount. I'm not going for the We did have a $200. Um, Connie worked up something.
It was a preliminary um, writ I I admit, but there was a $200 amount >> and we did have the two for one tree replacement clause. >> If you don't want to call it a tree bank, I can re I can rephrase my motion. I guess we can do it that way. What do
you think? >> I'm just thinking about the one tree that was approved by the city manager's office for $1,000. I don't know where that money is sitting around either. >> So, should we just say we'll we'll approve the removal with um replacement
clause to follow at a future date? I don't know if we can. >> I I would I would I was suggesting postpone postpone the ruling >> the ruling >> vote >> after it becomes law. >> Does it need to be done expediently? I
mean is there any necessity of that? >> Is it posing are they posing a danger? >> He did it um >> in his exemption letter he had requested some elacrity. >> Yes. And I think the solicitor said the
ordinance would be in effect until the beginning. So that's not going to be quick. >> Um >> I think >> it can sh >> I I think we could do that as long as
the applicants will to cooperate. >> Yeah. I mean this is subject to a likely appeal. We haven't advised him of anything yet, obviously, because well, we're still caught up in the vote, but once we get past the vote, um there may be an
appeal. >> I know. I don't know if Connie would have the copies of the old wording of that. >> Let's see. I I say we'll move along with this. If we have to change the vote in the future, we'll have to do that. We'll
have to revisit. Okay. >> Okay. >> All right. So, we'll vote on it. >> I think we're >> Jim, could you rephrase that? Minus the tree bank. >> Tree bank. And what where's the designation then? Just because it just >> go into the general to the the shade
tree fund. >> Oh, shade tree fund. We have a fund. Oh, >> in our budget budget. to our budget. Okay. Um >> it goes to our budget. >> I move that we accept the applicants uh application
um to remove the two cedar trees um with the >> I just want to amend the the current >> he just told me to actually rephrase >> because we refra the so the tree bank >> I was halfway done. Yeah. Go ahead.
>> Um with the caveat that the um $800 of replacement goes into the general shade tree fund. >> I'll second that. >> Okay. >> George A. >> Yes.
>> York. Yes. >> Barbara. >> Yes. >> George W. >> Yes. >> Joel. >> Yes. >> Jim. >> Yes. >> Okay. 11:05 St. James Place. Joel, that's yours. Did you check that out, too?
>> I I checked it out. >> What happened? >> Okay. >> Right. Here, let me >> I have my phone's right here. Um, you said you checked it out. >> I did check it out. >> Okay. Do you have an application on that? >> Yeah. So, it's a dead um crab apple
tree. The crown is about 90% dead. And uh the applicant said that it it's been like that for quite a while. So, um, there's no sense in trying to preserve something that's already dead. So, I believe it should come out. >> So, I make a motion to approve the
removal of the tree at 11:05 St. James Place. >> George A., >> we didn't get a second. >> Oh, >> second. >> George A. >> Yes. >> York. Yes. >> Barbara, >> yes.
>> George W. >> Yes. Joelle, >> yes. >> Jim, >> yes. >> Trios. >> Okay. Thanks, George. Appreciate it. >> Um, before we continue though, um, I wish I had this piece of paper earlier.
Um, so did we approve the uh removal the the trimming? Um, yeah. Did we remove uh do we approve the uh trimming at one uh 109 Washington Street? Do we approve
that or what was that conclusion again? >> We removed it because it said it was part of the tree removal request and it's only a trimming. So, we can approve that trimming. >> Yeah, I would >> really need to vote on a trimming. >> Yeah, I would like us to review that once again so we can approve it. >> Um >> Well, we don't have and we really don't
have to approve a trim, >> right? >> We're so we're good. >> Yeah, it's only a trimming, not a cut. >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. For >> the removals that we have to >> Okay. Nice. Okay. >> So, that'll just be I'll give it to Lauren so that she puts it for Matt Matt to take care of. >> All right. Let's go back to 13:30 Ohio.
>> Okay. Um I got this when I was out of town last week and I just did a quick look at it and I was going to go back today and do a closer look, but it looks like it's a shrub that takes up the whole front lawn. It's um >> Seen if there's a photo. Yeah, it's
>> I don't have a photo of it. >> I thought I Now I don't have a photo. I have a photo. >> They don't have a >> And and I think it just needs to be And it's only about four feet high. >> Oh. >> And it's about 8 ft wide and it takes up their entire front lawn. And they said it's a fig tree. >> Oh, okay.
>> So I think maybe they can just trim it. >> Yeah, you can cut a fig tree back to, you know, >> nothing. >> Yeah. I mean, I don't know that they'd want to do that, but that's currently it's not probably tree form anyway, according to your observations. >> Yeah. So, I would suggest that we um
>> So, they don't want to cut it down. They just want to trim it. >> No, they want to remove it. >> Okay. >> And I'm not >> Do you know the Do you know the caliber of it by any chance? Doesn't say here. >> I have not. I just >> Well, let's let's table this one then, too. And we'll we'll have to revisit that next month. Okay.
>> Or at the next meeting. So that's 13:30 Ohio. >> All right. >> I have a motion to table that. >> Uh I'll make a motion to table it. >> Second. >> Okay. Uh George A. >> Yes. >> York. Yes. Peringer. Barbara.
>> Yes. >> George W. >> Yes. >> Joel. >> Yes. >> Jim. >> Yes. >> Okay. Table. >> Moving on. 600 Reading Avenue. >> That's me. >> So this is a beautiful
um holly tree on the corner and um the application said that it drops sharply and it's hard for the dog to walk around application and approve their application. >> They're looking at the photos now
>> the holly tree. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Here it is. >> And that's an American holly. I'm pretty sure it's not even hybrid. >> I can see that. >> It's a grass. >> Yeah, that's the grass. >> Nice big tree.
>> It's a beautiful tree. >> What was the reasoning >> to do? >> Sharp leaves and the dog and grandchildren walk on it. >> Um, >> we had this in a minute. >> Uh, sharp leaves make the yard off limits for our family's dogs and
grandchildren. It is also too close to our front porch, and that's not true. And with an increase in severe storms, we're concerned about it falling down and damaging the house. >> It's probably going to last longer than we will. >> And if it's not close to the house, the
chances of it damaging the house are pretty slim. I mean, they can trim it back if they want, but there's really no from the shape of it. I wouldn't even bother trimming it. >> No, it's a beautiful shape. It's a beautiful tree. >> So, we'll make a motion to approve the removal. A yes vote means that it would
be approved. No means the tree would stay. >> Okay, I'll make a motion >> to remove it. Second. >> Remove it. >> Okay. >> Okay. George A. >> No. >> No. Barbara, >> no. >> What was that? >> No. >> No. Thank you. George W.
>> No. >> Joelle? >> No. >> Jim? >> No. >> Tree stays. >> 11:31 Washington Street. I was out and about. I was doing a little pruning and I checked this one out. But I don't know whether you did or not to weigh in on that. Joelle,
>> here. >> Yeah. >> I have photos of it here. >> You pass this down. I stopped to see it. It's a large silver maple. I mean, it it's really large and it's kind of interesting because it's got its own
little ecosystem going on inside the hollow space of the trunk. It's got two sumac trees and a bunch of vines growing out of the center of this tree. And as interesting looking as it is, it's not a candidate for preservation in my
opinion. It's it's really >> I mean I'd say 3/4s of that trunk is gone. And it's kind of the only side that's still living of the trunk is facing the house. So I think that should be my my opinion is it should be removed. We should approve that.
So, does anyone have any input or questions? >> Make a motion. >> You said you said I'll trunk >> hollow. >> Hollow. It's completely rotted out. >> Is that tree in the backyard? >> Yeah. >> In fact, it's next to the tree where the parking situation is. The house
>> the house next to it. >> Barbara, could you pass that over to Joelle to see? Okay. >> Thank you. >> All right. I believe it's the same house with the parking situation. >> No, the the house with the parking
doesn't have a tree in in uh in back. This is right next to >> 31. Have to make a motion. >> Yeah, >> let's make a motion on. >> So, I think you made a motion. >> Yeah, it's second. >> No, we didn't. Not for this one. So, my
recommendation is to remove that tree at >> Okay. I'll make a motion to remove the tree at 1131 Washington Street. >> Right. I second. >> That's okay. >> Joel second. >> Joel seconded. Okay. >> George A. >> Yes. >> York. Yes. >> Barbara. >> Yes.
>> George W. >> Yes. >> Joelle. >> Yes. >> Jim. >> Yes. >> Trios. >> 1040 New York Avenue. >> That's mine. District. Um, this is an interesting situation. >> This is the revisiting of what? >> Revisit. We did this before
>> July 10th. It went from Karen Keenan's office, land use over to me. Um, I had denied the uh application and we voted on it with due diligence. >> This is and they're building the garage.
>> They rescended any appeal at all. It just it just went away. And then all of a sudden there was a request I'd say within the last 10 days. >> Mhm. I inspected it. Um, it's new
construction going on there. It appears that a garage is was um the frame has already been built up and the siding and it seems to be an overstated risk or structure that is being
introduced that wasn't to the original plans and it's buttressing right up against this tree which I found to be beautiful initially and they're hacking away at the
um at the tree and I I I put some pictures in with with Connie and Lauren, but uh it's just it's a shame what's happening over there. With that being said, in my
application for commissioner comments, I had requested that this go back to Karen Keenan's office and let land use set their eyes on it before I go further. >> Now, Jim, was there a tree protection zone set up around the >> tree protection is set up around the
base, but certainly not around the canopy. >> Okay, >> Jim, is this the tree that Dave Schultz came and spoke about? >> Correct. Well, you know, they did it as the uh tree is encroaching on the garage, and it's really the garage is encroaching on
the tree, >> but the garage wasn't there. >> Yes, >> it's the opposite way around. >> Do we have an application on this? >> Yeah, it's going that way, isn't it? very >> and in addition there are >> and and in addition there are requests
that >> um to remove the tree because there are brand new mechanical and electrical concerns for a new pool which was not in the original land use application. Right. Another reason why I want land
use to put their eyes on it before I get it. Right. This a zoning board request. >> No, it came right to me this time. Okay. Uh, this is in the back door if you don't if you can excuse the phrase there. >> So, I I don't know if I have to make a
motion for that or just uh >> I think you have to make a motion that we're going to forward this to we're going to table the the um request and forward it to land use. >> Okay. >> And revisit Uh, >> no.
>> Should probably go to go to the >> should probably go to the zoning and planning official. >> Okay. >> They're the ones that that that inspect construction. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Then >> Okay. >> Can do that. >> Motion that this um
that this application be forwarded to the proper agency for their review before we before we um do anything actionable. Would you be willing to add to your motion that you see the tree is healthy and viable, we
should keep it? >> No, not at this time. I because I I want to I want to go the other way first. I want this to go through the front door is what I'm saying. I don't I don't think I'm going to comment on the quality of the tree until it actually is in my purview. >> What type of tree is this, George? >> It's a malberry.
>> Malberry. >> Thank you. >> It's an interesting growth pattern. Yeah, >> it's a cool looking tree. It is a cool looking. >> Yeah. >> Thank you. >> And we've went through this full discussion before, >> so we're revisiting. >> Did you finish your motion? I did. >> Okay. Did someone second it?
>> I'll second it. >> Okay. >> Uh George A. >> Yes. >> York. Yes. Barbara, >> yes. >> George W. >> Yes. >> Joel, >> yes. >> Jim, >> yes. >> Okay. Triets
>> zoning official. Yeah. >> Tabled and goes to zoning and planning. >> Cool. >> All right. Well, we didn't do a consent agenda, so we're passed. We're on to number seven. Old business. Anybody have anything they would like to bring up as far as old business?
>> Yes, please. >> Um, >> go first. >> 1317 New York Avenue. I got a request from acting chair just today. went out, inspected. We also inspected, uh, I also
inspected on August 10th. Um, they removed two pretty large trees in the backyard at 1317 New York a forwarded pictures to George and George, but um, it's there's nothing more to see
at this point, but maybe at this point I'm going to ask if there is a status from >> Well, and they had no application for those removals. No, absolutely not. And he uh and I spoke to Bill Miller on August 12th and he said he was going to
speak to the applicant and the applicant is very very cognizant and is aware that there are rec repercussions to his actions. >> Okay. >> So, um I just you know I would like to know that.
>> Yeah. We'll have to ask Bill 1317. >> What size trees were these? You said large. >> Yeah. Well, only judging >> by the mulch area. >> Yeah, >> because there's nothing left. >> Yeah, I didn't know. And it was a it was
a request from a from a neighbor that uh apparently there was a New York Avenue squabble. So, but but he's very very aware that there there there may be repercussions and he says he's willing to pay um his punitive
damages. It's going to be we'll have to figure out how we're going to determine the valuation of a tree that unless they can provide us with photos what was actually there. >> Do we have any idea who the contractor was? Who um >> can you can you pick up that? >> Can I do what?
>> Can you uh on 1317 New York Avenue >> on your uh application? Do you have any way to see what the trees were there? >> I I could look at the site. Do you have a name on there? There's a Paul and Karen Avlyn. Avlyn.
>> Yes. Yes. >> Did he offer the name of the the company who took them down? >> In the pictures that Connie forwarded to me uh and in the first week of August, there was a um
I think there was a company identified. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Admittedly, by the time I got there, it was after the facts and these are in the backyard, right? So, I wish I, you know, >> Yeah. >> I can't investigate with >> No, it isn't there. >> There's no body. >> No, exactly. But we'll have to speak
with Bill again about this violation and ask him to see if he can get to who the contractor was because the contractor should have known that they can't just remove a tree in Cape May. And if they don't know that, then that's another strike, one strike against them. So,
>> fair enough. All right. Okay. Any other >> I had business 11:55 Washington Street. Um I think maybe was in August or September they submitted a request to remove the tree because it's going to
damage their historical >> and I think we were recommending that they >> we asked DPW to take the vines off >> and I don't think anything's happened. I don't think so either. looking to follow up on? >> Well, the f first of all, the tree is
it's an old um silver maple and it's >> it's not big. I mean, it's not tall. No, it's >> it's got girth to it, but it's not >> I don't know that there's any urgency to remove it at this point, but it's um >> probably if once we get all the vines off it,
>> then we can better assess it, too. >> Yeah. Because it's Yeah. >> I don't think it's thriving. >> No. >> Okay. I was just looking for an update. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Okay. Anyone else with old business? >> New business. >> New business. >> I I have business. >> Uh we had uh um
about a month ago a little more uh Mickey Rigggins uh treat some of the tree of heaven around town uh with some herbicides. So this might be a time for us to look to get somebody to cut them down before it gets too late. >> Exactly. Yeah.
>> So Matt, is that something you can do? take down these tree of heavens. There's >> Sure. >> How many are there, Shane? >> I think there's seven of them. Uh there's a couple in a few people's backyard. We're going to use our our our lantern fly uh grant money for this. Um I I'll give you all the information that you need.
>> Okay. Locations. There's uh I think there's three or four street trees and one of them is right across the street from the bike shop on Almyra. That giant one. >> It's a large one. Yeah. And the other one on Stockton is >> We might need to get some coordination with the city of Kate May.
>> Do they have to be removed if the homeowners don't want them removed? >> They're street trees. >> Is that one at the >> Yeah. >> jewelry store? >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Right across from the bike shop. >> I'm familiar with it. It's set back a little bit though.
>> It is. >> I don't think so. It's right there to >> Well, it's set back from the intersection on the verge. It's It's still in >> still on the verge. posing a question if it's falls in the property line becomes common or boundary tree so they would
have sort of dual ownership there and since it's a large tree they might I just food for thought you know if they like the tree for shade >> well it's been poisoned >> has it >> yeah it's been treated >> it's dying >> so well
>> treated for insects >> no treated for the uh >> herbicide And there's a large one on Stockton. That was Stockton. >> That's or herbicide? Herbicide. >> I'm sorry. >> Pesticide or herbicide? Is it to control the spotted lantern flies or is it to
kill the tree? >> Kill the tree. >> Oh, >> it's to it's to remove the uh the tree of heaven. >> But it's not it's not dead. >> The tree. >> Well, they just did this procedure, so
it didn't kill it immediately. This was just done ago. Yeah. >> I don't know how long it takes for that to work. That's not in my realm of >> who's doing treatments. >> Mickey Wiggins did it. >> Arbor Care.
>> I'm curious because if a tree is treated with a strong herbicide to kill it, then you're going to have a tree that's dead and hazardous and high use area. That probably wouldn't be a good route to go. >> Well, we want to get it cut down. We want cut down, >> right?
Are we done with that topic? >> I would think it'd be better just to cut the tree on and and uh treat the stump. >> Well, we may have to we may have to treat the stump afterward depending on if you have >> That's why it was a question. I thought they were treating for the spotted
lamies, not to kill the tree. No. Uh ju just so you know when some of the trees a lot of the neighbors were very opposed to the pesticides because >> they may have some gardens around. >> Yes, they >> I was thinking >> there was significant opposition from
the neighbors >> over spraying. That was one of the options we looked at early on on how to uh treat the lantern flight infestation. >> Is it injectable? Is he injecting the tree or is he spraying? >> That is my understanding. >> Yes. >> I believe he makes notches and then puts
it in. >> Yeah. My understanding, Matt, there's no spraying involved and that that was the major concern of the neighborhood. >> Actually, all the neighbors. Almost everybody we dealt with did not want um to have any spray. >> All right. We have any more discussion
on this? Okay. >> Uh does anybody want to make a motion to hire it? >> Sure. I'll make that motion. >> I'll second it. >> Okay. Roll call. >> Roll call. >> Thought you were finished, huh? >> I thought I was done.
>> Um, George, >> yes. >> Yes. >> York, yes. Barbara, >> yes. >> George W. >> Yes. >> Joel, >> yes. >> Jim, >> yes. >> Okay. >> And Matt, I have a copy of the uh the
proposal that was accepted if uh Okay. Want it. >> Thank you. All right, new business. >> I have something. >> Okay. >> Um, we were, um, I talked to a homeowner on, um,
1110 Virginia Avenue this morning. A new tree was put in front of his house, and he doesn't want the tree in front of his house. >> Is that one we just planted? >> Yep. He said it's a crimson maple. It's non-native. It's invasive. it's going to grow 40 50 feet tall and it's going to
hit his power lines and uh it's too near his sewer line and he was concerned that why we're planting trees underneath um electrical w lines when across the street there are no electrical lines and the tree should be
planted there. >> Well, we're going to plant more. But let me explain something with the crimson maple. First of all, the crimson maple is a hybrid of the Norway maple. But crimson maple does not grow anywhere nearly as quickly as a as a Norway
maple. The crimson maple um I remember when I first started using them, they said it needs a lot of care and um and patience because it does take a long time. We planted several on Washington Street nearly 20 years ago and they still haven't reached the power lines
and um they grow at a very very slow rate compared to Norway maples. So I I wouldn't be concerned about the power lines with that. And also we trim around we have power lines so many places throughout the city and we prune around them and so does Atlantic City Electric.
>> And he also questioned why we plant trees if no one waters them and they die. >> We have a watering program now. >> Okay. So we're we're not moving his tree. He wants it removed. >> Well I mean
>> I don't know whether you can remove it. We can remove it because it's a small one and it was just planted. So it's but I feel like we just paid and you know >> right I >> to have it planted. It just it's it's really the public right ofway technically it's not the homeowner's
property >> and uh you know you have to just like the sidewalk is not the homeowner's sidewalk that they have to maintain it. >> It's not theirs. >> So I don't want to get into I know I understand. I just feel like I don't know if we should get into the to the uh
set of precedent about planting and removing and >> all that other kind of stuff. You know, >> claims they were never asked. >> No, they were never asked. >> Yeah. But were was that one of the addresses that was on the list, Matt, where we swear what we tried to do was Connie had
sent a list where trees had been removed in the past. And what our past practice has been to try to maintain the tree canopy, we try to plant another tree wherever a tree was removed. And that's one of the reasons that tree was put there. And his re response to that was,
there's never been a tree on his street that's been removed where they've replaced a tree. >> Well, we have more funds now. >> Well, >> so we're going to be planting more trees. >> Well, we did we did look at all of the sites. Matt looked at all of the sites
and um I don't know what is anybody else's opinion on this >> about taking it out, moving it. George, I think you should talk to the uh the homeowner and explain to him what you just explained to us. >> But if he's adamant that he doesn't want
the tree, >> like you like you said, you don't want to start a precedence. >> That's what I think. >> I agree with that. >> Yeah, I >> Yeah, I can talk to him, tell him that, >> or you can watch it on here. But I um I think >> I second that. >> Going up to >> I concur with your finding.
>> Okay. >> Okay. >> So, we're not going to do anything at this point. >> No. All right. Any other new business for anyone because I have new business. >> Are you going to call him or you want me to call him and tell him the tree stays? >> I don't care if whatever you prefer. If he wants to talk to me about it too, I
don't mind you talking to two of us. >> Can I make a comment? >> Sure. >> Sure. >> Flip side is worry about making a precedence. But >> if the homeowner really does not want that tree there, they're absolutely not going to take care of that tree and they might do the complete opposite. So don't be surprised to see that tree dead in a
short amount of time. And I'm not going to name names. It's happened in town where trees been planted in front of places and people haven't wanted them and those trees have seriously died. >> So >> I've started the list. So what's the address again?
>> 1110 >> 1110 Virginia. >> Virginia. >> That's that's I mean that's just a reality what's going to happen. They're not going to take the time to care for that tree if they don't want that tree there. >> They're going to weed whack the heck out of the bottom of it. I know you don't want to set precedence, but the tree was
literally planted weeks ago and it was in a pot and it would take about 15 minutes to move. >> It's not like a large ball in burlap and a lot of labor and I would donate the work to move that tree because I have a feeling that tree is going to die. So, however you want to move forward, I
would gladly plant it across the street to see that tree live because that's a nice tree. It's a very nice specimen. M >> if it dies I mean >> well now we're going to have to this >> I would go with Matt's recommendation. >> All right. We'll have to put it into the form of a motion then.
>> Make a motion to go with Matt's recommendation >> of >> of uh removing the tree from 1110 Virginia Avenue and moving it across the street. >> I'm just making a comment I can't make >> No, I don't I think you make a good
point. >> It's just it You see, I see it happening. >> There's a there's a uh like not punishment, but there's like a result if the tree dies, right? Due to the homeowners >> if we can prove that the homeowner did it. Yes. >> Good luck there.
>> But that's >> I mean like >> that's impossible. >> I mean, poor round up around it or whatever. >> Second. >> Okay. >> You had a second. >> Yes. Yep. >> Okay. We're going to do a roll call. >> George A. >> No.
>> Carol York. Yes. Barbara, >> do you think that tree should be moved? We have >> Sorry. >> So, we're voting on this tree that was just planted a couple weeks ago. The homeowner doesn't want it in front of their house. Matt said he's willing to move it across the street. >> So, you say yes to that.
>> That >> George W. >> No. >> Joelle, >> no. >> Jim, >> no. >> I guess the tree stays. That's for me.
>> Thank you, Mel. >> Thanks, Matt. >> I have something to bring up. Um, it came to my attention that a tree at 289, which was a street tree, 289 Windsor Avenue, was cut down by the homeowner
with a chainsaw on the on a Sunday afternoon. And um, so I reported it to Bill Miller and uh, he was supposed to he said he was going over to visit the site. I kind of wish he was here to comment on it, but that that's going to be one that's
considered uh a graver offense because it was uh it's a public holding. It's not just on private property. So, it um >> Oh, it's probably about 25 20 25 years.
Yeah. Now, it was a pair, but it was a a Santa clear pair, which has a much stronger branching structure than the typical Bradford pairs, you know, but regardless of what it was, it's the fact that, you know, that's like taking a sledgehammer and breaking apart the the
benches on the on the prominade. It's a public, you know, public entity, if you will. >> Something that has to be pursued because that's not >> Oh, absolutely. >> Yeah. Yeah. So that's that's my new business. >> Wow. >> Um
>> people are running them up. >> Beware of chainsaws. >> I have I have a quick thing I just want to add and and this is just out of the blue. A week ago today um a um a person who was um driving their car with in
attention went up onto my front lawn and took out my Rucker's dogwood tree. >> Oh wow. >> And it's just a and it's only The maturation's only two years, but it's just it's just, you know, well, there's a lot of texting that goes on on my street. >> So, uh I just I'm just bringing that to
the attention. It's just it's a tree and um so I'm going to replace it, but at the cost of about $850. >> Wow. That's an insurance matter. >> Uh yeah, and I'm and I'm not and I'm not going there. I'm just I'm just going to run. >> But the person who did it should
>> Oh, it was a hit and run. >> Oh, okay. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> All right. Subcommittee report. >> Nothing to report. >> Thank you. >> Council report. Nothing. DPW, nothing. Public comments, >> nothing.
>> I'll entertain a motion. Unless you have something else. >> No, just one real quick thing. and and I and I'm probably the the least qualified um to to bring this up, but I would just without getting into any detail, I would like to acknowledge the formidable
tenure of uh Jay uh for um being the person that he was for this commission. >> I agree to that and I echo those sentiments completely. >> We can address that. >> Yes, we'll address that at a future meeting. >> Yeah. Okay. >> All right. All right, I'll entertain a
motion to uh adjourn. >> I can't do it. >> No. Somebody want to make a motion? >> Okay. Joelle seconded. >> Thank you. >> All those in favor? >> I >> I >> I >> Are you two going to vote to adjurnn? >> Yes. >> Yes.
>> Done. >> Wow. >> That was a long one. >> Wow.