open up the select board meeting of Tuesday, September 23rd. Tonight, uh this is a remote meeting. Uh there was a plumbing emergency at uh town hall which caused town hall to be closed to the public. So in response to that, we made
this remote only. Um so with that, let's do a roll call vote of the select board members present. Arnold here, >> Nell here, >> Stevens here, >> Riola here, and I'm sure when David
arrives, uh, he can announce himself. Uh, let me run through the agenda that we'll be covering tonight. We'll start with community input, followed by appointment and resignations. We'll do a special town meeting update and discussion uh with moderator Wayne Davis. And we'll also have the
opportunity to discuss uh the articles that we we expect to be presented at special town meeting. We're going to talk about the town election fire station design ballot and hopefully approve that question. Then we'll meet with the uh with Brian Wat of the school
committee to discuss 2025 2026 goals. And as a agenda note, we're going to move the discussion and update on anti-discrimin anti-discrimination efforts to our next meeting on October 7th. Uh 9:15, we're scheduled to talk
about the trust fund working group to approve the charter uh drafted by Christine and also uh review and approve the appointments. After that, approval of one-day alcohol permit applications. There's two of those. town administrator report, warn and minutes, cemetery
deeds, liaison reports, and lastly, community input. So, with that, uh, we'll open it up to community input. And I'd like to recognize that tonight is the second night of Rashashana. And so, to all those who celebrate, sha tova,
and have a sweet new year. Uh, does anyone out there in the internet have any comments for the community? Just raise your hand if you do. All right, seeing none, we will move on to
appointments and resignations. Um, in the packet, there are three proposed motions. The first for the CPC. I don't know, Barney, do you want to just speak with that one as >> Sure.
Um the uh community preser community preservation committee met on Friday night and we discussed the um application that Karen Pineos submitted to uh fill the position of the member at large on the
CPC and uh we unanimously recommended her for that position. and she's um been following the CPC for the mosquito and and many of us know her from other volunteer activities in town. So um we think she'd be a good addition.
>> Barney, I see this term ends uh June 30th. Does she intend to continue after June, do you think? >> Yeah. You know, I'm I'm not quite sure why we have it this way, but all of the CPC um uh terms, they're just for a year.
>> Okay. So they end yeah June 26 and then we re if the people that want to reup get another year after that. So yes I think she would want to continue. >> Okay just a note uh David Modell has arrived. David if you just want to
announce yourself that would be great. >> Modell I Modell's here. >> Thank you David. Any uh any discussion or does someone want to make a motion on the appointment of Karen to the CPC? I move to appoint
Karen Pineo of 187 to Road as the citizen at large member of the community preservation committee with a term to end June 30th, 2026. >> Second. >> Second. Any other discussion or deliberation?
Seeing none, we'll do a roll call vote. Arnold I >> Modell >> I >> Stevens Iola I motion passes. Uh the next appointment was for Tal Rottman as a member of the safety committee June term to end June
30th 2028. Does anyone have any commentary on on this applicant or appointment? No. They came recommended from the the the safety committee though. Correct. >> Yes.
>> Okay. Okay. >> Would you like me to make a motion? >> Please. Thank you. >> I move to appoint Tal Rottman of 387 Autumn Lane as a member of the safety committee with a term to end June 30th, 2028.
>> I second that. >> Any more discussion or deliberation? Seeing none, we'll do a roll call vote. >> Arnold I. Modell I >> Mell I >> Stevens I >> I and lastly we have an appointment for
the ESC and I see uh Christina out there. Um this is I know we had gotten the the note from Christina indicating um the ESC support of this. Christina, do you have any brief comments that we should know about on this one or just a quick word of support?
>> Oh, thanks. Um nothing prepared. uh she would just make a a great addition to our committee. Um she's energetic and passionate and yeah, we fully support it. >> Great. Thank you. >> Thanks. >> Any additional discussion or if someone
wants to make a motion? >> Uh I move to appoint. How do you say your name? Christina. >> It's Cara. Cara Pre. >> Cara. >> Okay. This is spelled cor correctly here. K R
>> K Y R Y R A. Okay. With the U amendment to her spelling, uh I appoint Kira Prattz of 394 River Road as a member of the environmental sustainability committee with a term to end June 30th,
2026. >> There second. >> I'll second. >> Okay. Any more discussion? Seeing none, we'll do a roll call vote. >> Arnold, I. >> Modell, I. >> Snell, I. >> Stevens, I.
>> I. I think that concludes the appointments we were asked to make tonight. I don't know. Ryan, was there any anything within the town we should know about at this point? Okay, great. Uh and Wayne is here so we can move on
to talk about the special town meeting update and discussion. Uh so first we wanted to talk about meeting logistics uh with the moderator Wayne Davis. Um and Wayne, I know you had sent out um the memo or the
the document that that we have in our packet and we'll we'll certainly talk about that. I'm I'm also wondering tonight from a very from a higher level. Um I've gotten one question with someone from questions from the community asking what time will this start and some other
logistic things. So I'm wondering tonight I know you know we've talked about or we're committed to the Sunday. Do we want to officially designate a start time tonight so we can start uh publicizing that and and and allowing people to to plan around that?
I I thought that months ago you had decided on one o'clock. So that's that's what I've been telling everyone. >> Okay. >> Um yes, if if if that's in question, unless someone has a compelling reason to go otherwise, and I know the town
meeting study committee had um thought about it long and hard and come up with one o'clock. So I I I think that just stick with that. >> Okay. Is there anything um we need to do as a select board for that start time or is that just something that's set?
>> Um well um it it just when you when you sign the warrant that's when it's officially done um but you know as far as letting the public know um you know >> the mosquito will report it. I think they have been reporting it so
>> okay >> should be fine. >> Great. So one o'clock and then do you want to move in to talk about um the document you provided us and and your thoughts on on um how you plan to run the meeting or or and the process
that you're taking and maybe start with that the process you're taking between now and town meeting to receive input um allow public to provide input um just walk us through that and then we can get into the specifics.
>> Sure. Okay. Uh, thank you, Scott. And, um, maybe, uh, if Ryan, if you could just put the memo up on the screen so that members of the public, um, can can see it. Um, so, uh, we have, you know,
quite an unusual situation uh, with the MBT a uh, communities act uh, zoning proposals because, uh, we're going to have to choose between multiple proposals. Um, so there will be at least
two, probably three. Um, the planning board from time to time has considered maybe they should even do four. I think it will likely be three, but you know, we'll all wait and and see. So, uh, we had to take that into account. Uh, we had to be concerned about the number of
people who might show up. of the fact that we also have other the other articles on the special town meeting warrant um you know the fire station the demolition delay bylaw in and of themselves uh are also potentially long
and complex. So, so, uh, with that in mind, uh, I believe you had, uh, the select board had earlier determined, uh, on advice of the town meeting study committee, which I, uh, which I am on and I, I agree with this advice, um,
that we just devote Sunday to the MBTA, uh, zoning, um, and we get it wrapped up. Then we'll prepare for up to a thousand people. This is something that Ryan had mentioned. uh uh several
meetings ago. Um this this particular uh legislation has brought out um some very large numbers uh in other towns. And so the lesson is be prepared. Um going back 20 years, uh we have only reached the
450 level and that was just for school funding projects. So, um, if we get a massive turnout, we think a thousand is probably the upper limit. And that means that we would have to use in addition to the cafeteria in the school, we would
also use the gym as an overflow room. So, uh, we're working on the logistics. Uh, I'm doing this with Ryan and other members of his staff, uh, and at the school to make sure that we've got, um, everything lined up. town clerk uh has
already arranged to have additional pole pads so that the check-in can go uh as efficiently as it will need to be. Uh and so I think all of that um is moving forward uh nicely. We will also having uh have to rent uh additional electronic
voting clickers uh and uh and we're requesting the company that provided them, Meridia, uh that they actually staff it. It's um uh as you all well know uh Carlile does not at least in town hall have dedicated IT staff with
that many people. We need to have it done right and just let the people who really know how to do it take care of it. Um so all of that is in motion and I won't um are there any questions just purely about those logistics? Uh and Ryan may also have something to add
there. I don't know. Are we doing anything special to like giving guidance to people of arriving early or um do you have a sense of you know if every typically people tend to arrive toward the beginning of the start of town meeting um obviously if we
have a thousand people show up within 10 minutes. >> Yes, we will we will certainly be encouraging people to do that. Um, and as we had discussed when we reviewed the the last town meeting, uh, our quorum is
150. As soon as we hit 150, we're going to start um and so, you know, I hope uh and the better seats will be for those who come earlier. >> So, um, so I uh we will we will
certainly do our best to publicize that. Is is there going to be like a doors open time that that we can include because I don't know if people know when when they can get in. If they want to show up a half hour early, can they get in and register? Is it an hour early? >> Good. Good question. And I I I think uh
that's something that that uh Ryan I Ryan and I should take up uh with the clerk because uh she's the one who's responsible for checking people in and um we've got it unfort you know the good and bad um is that the uh inflow to the
school auditorium and cafeteria is somewhat constricted. So um I know she's been thinking about uh how to make that happen. I don't personally have the details, uh, but that's something that, uh, that the three of us can work on. >> So, Wayne, how many extra iPads will
there be? I mean, how many check-in stations are you planning on? >> Um, the clerk told me uh that she's planning to get six, >> six additional, >> believe six total.
>> Think we have two. And and if if there are any concerns about that, I I think you I should go directly to her. That that's her area of responsibility. But I I knew you'd be curious, so I checked in with her before. Sorry, >> Wayne. Uh are you planning to also set
up set it up so that people can watch be participate from Benfield? >> Yes. >> Okay, good. >> Anything else on the logistics? Okay. Um so then let me get into what I what I covered in this this memo. And um
while I as I as I say in the the uh beginning, while I wrote this primarily with the MBTA um the zoning article in mind, I I will as I go through it, uh just mention where where there are aspects that um are applicable to the
other articles that we'll be considering. Um so first of all the objective um the fir there are a couple of objectives here and um you know we want to have everyone have a fair and reasonable opportunity both to make their views known and to try to
influence other people as well as for other or for people to expose themselves to the arguments so they could learn about them. Uh a general rule of thumb um is that you a third of the people come in with their mind made up. Yes. A
third with their mind made up no and a third they're actually they're uncertain when they walk into the room and they decide and also some some percentage of the people who were yes and no when they walked in actually changed their mind by being exposed to
their neighbors. um with the complexity and number of proposals I think the degree of uncertainty and potential for people to be influenced by what they learn is even higher. So we really want to have a good solid debate um that is
focused on the issues that gets people's questions answered and so forth and that minimizes any time on procedural wrangling or uh confusion and that sort of stuff. So there are a lot of things that we're trying to do to make the discussions be as meaty as they can
possibly be and also be uh efficient. Um one of the things that is particularly important uh and that that's always true and it will be true on all the big articles uh for this special town meeting. the MBTA because we have
multiple proposals is going to require a specialized voting process and I've been thinking about this for months and if there are any geeks u out there in the uh community who are really into
decision analysis um uh the concept here is incentive compatibility. We're going to try to have a voting process that just encourages people to vote their honest
um their honest preferences that there's little to be gained by them trying to game the system uh and vote strategically. Um and so put a lot of thought into how to get that done. And um I think we're getting very close. I
had the opportunity to share uh my ideas at the planning board meeting a couple of weeks ago. Some people at that meeting and afterwards uh came to me with some very helpful comments and questions. And so what I'm presenting tonight is actually a refinement with some uh changes that were responsive to
what I heard a couple weeks ago. And I can as I um in the weeks ahead if I get any more feedback uh these processes can uh also uh evolve. But obviously what I will need to do is that uh before we get
to the end I will publish on the website and in the mosquito uh the clear and final version of the procedures. Now, getting to the uh before town meeting, um the form of the warrant article for the MBTA zoning is going to
be very particular. Instead of saying that we've got three proposals, so it's article one, article two, article three, in fact, it's going to be a single article that says we're going to choose one. Uh, and that's very important because it's going to set us up for how
we can do the voting in a way that gets us to only one answer as a yes or no up or down vote. Um, something that um, uh, David Modell has been talking about with you for a number of months, we're also going to try and that's to see if we can
have agreed facts upfront. Um uh it's not in your memo, but I've now um been able to schedule an agreed facts meeting for for October 23. And basically uh I'm inviting uh any organized groups out
there. The planning board will send a representative and if any individuals want to show up, they can show up. But I'm going to ask that people come together and we're going to try to sit down and come up with a set of agreed facts that everyone can take as given
and we don't need to debate them. Okay, there um that way we can focus on what are the policy issues and the policy choices as opposed to debating whether facts are true or false. Um, in since
this will literally need to be a drafting session, I do not want to have a large number of people there because it won't get done. So, uh, any groups that send people, I'm asking that they will only send one person that we do it through pre-registration. We'll also ask
that everyone, uh, which would include the planning board, um, submit uh, at least two days in advance draft uh, facts that they'd like to see uh, included in this. And that way we'll at least have a chance to look over
everything in advance. See if there is common ground and you know reach some list. It may only be three facts. It may be a dozen. I don't know. But if we can do it, it will certainly help uh make the debate a little bit more efficient. Uh and I'm very concerned with
efficiency. If we have 800 or a thousand people, I don't want to waste time. >> Um so that's how the agreed facts will run. Yes. on the agreed facts, is it going to be like pre-published, you know, after this drafting session or is it something that you're going to announce and review with the audience on
the day of? >> So, um, uh, I would expect that we'd be able to get that published in advance. I don't know how far in advance. Um, certainly it could get on the website. Will it be done in time to hit the mosquito that is published on Friday
before the Sunday meeting? I don't, you know, I I can't. We've never tried this before. Um so it's difficult to predict. We will certainly try to publish it. And the idea certainly would be that at the outset um we have uh a brief presentation where
it would be a handout and we'd go over it briefly so that people know uh what it is. So it it it should be should be well publicized through all of that. Okay. Any other questions on anything I've covered so far?
Um the other thing is that on Thursday, October uh and also I should add um I don't know if there's going to be any contended uh contended facts on the fire station or the demolition delay
bylaw. I don't know if there are going to be any groups that organize in opposition to those uh or to suggest alternatives. um if they emerge uh it may make sense to try this on those and you know to involve the historical
commission or uh whoever from the uh in terms of the fire station. Um but we'll we'll just have to wait and see. I would just say to the public if you know people want to try this uh we we can try it. Um so that's possible. U Thursday
October 16th uh there will be another public meeting. This will be the sort of the moderators meeting. What I will do is after getting feedback from you tonight and hearing other people uh from the public over the next week or so uh I
will publish my final draft version of the procedures uh in advance of this meeting of October 16th. Then uh we'll go over them on the 16th. I'd like to have representative uh someone who's representing uh the proponents um of
each of the the articles to be at this meeting and we'll just go through how's the meeting going to run um answer any questions uh and if people want to get into uh any gnarly detail with me on the procedures and take one last attempt to
convince me to change something I've proposed that will be their opportunity to uh I should say their final opportunity people can always email me before then. >> Okay. Um and then the last thing and this one
is really important because this is uh a change from um what we normally do and that is to say that for the zoning article in particular because it is so technically complex and there is the
need to have the um planning board's consultants analyze whether any proposed amendments might affect act the compliance status of the final article with the statutory requirements. We're
going to require that any um amendments be submitted in advance with a deadline of noon on Tuesday of October 28th. So there will be um no floor amendments unless someone spots a typo or something
minor that we can fix that is isn't uh a big deal. But other than that, there will not be any floor amendments allowed on the MBTA zoning. >> Wait, do we know when the planning board intends to have the final bylaw language available?
>> October 20th. >> Okay. >> Hey, Wayne. >> Hi. Hi. It's Barney. Um I I don't know if you're aware of the planning board's discussion last night.
Um just think maybe it's relevant to know that this is a possibility that um the you know they had submitted the three different options to the state and two of the three have been rejected and
so the only one that they say is uh acceptable and meets the act is um the single site option and Ryan I don't know if you want to mention that that it was confirmed today by council that the
state is firm on that opinion or anyway that that's my understanding that the council >> well >> has checked out and so I I know the planning board plans to try to
>> see if there's any wiggle room but yeah I just thought for that you should be aware that it may end up being the single site and at the moment I believe there's six different uh single site locations being
considered by the planning board. So it might be a very different scenario. Well, thank you for sharing that one with me. I uh I had not been aware of that. Um so we'll deal with it um as as we can.
>> Just to just to chime in, I I in their meeting last I think they got this late last week. um they they said they still intend to bring options. So I think the the um what you described as the kind of
incentive cate compatibility process if there's multiple options even if there's sites probably still applies. Um and Barney, did you say that the they had mentioned last night that they were going to um see if they could get compliance through a couple of the cluster options. Did you say that they
got a response today on that? Well, Ryan, do you want to comment? Are you um hearing this? >> Well, I I I guess I would say for purposes of tonight's discussion, it doesn't matter, right?
>> Okay. I >> if there is um if if they only present a single proposal, the only thing that changes is that voting will look like it conventionally does. there will be a single up or down
vote. I think we will still it will still be very helpful to have the agreed facts. We're still going to have the moderators meeting and we are still going to require amendments to be in advance because there is still going to be um compliance issue. Um and as uh I
think um we discussed in the the review um uh of the last meeting uh floor amendments are always potentially messy and with zoning they are especially messy and difficult and I think um it's
a consensus of town council and other moderators whose opinion that I I respect quite a lot uh in the state that that it's quite reasonable So long as it's published well in advance, which we are doing, that we're requiring amendments in advance. Uh that that's a
reasonable procedure. So that that all will will stay. Um but you know, obviously we'll look at what happens and it will we'll finalize it when we need to. I believe that um
they intend to provide as Scott mentioned I think there the single site cluster I believe is what the state said is the only acceptable of our proposed method >> single site not cluster it's just
>> single I'm sorry sing well a single site but does not mean a single building I guess a cluster to me >> no it means a it means a single parcel of land would have Right. A single parcel of land. Right. >> Okay. >> Right. But but within that and I think six, I don't know if it's six, but
there's sites that >> are bigger, littleler, you know, the Ragenbach site has like one big building like apartment building. Other unit ones would have like condos I guess. So I they intend to propose
some number of those, right? Is that am I wrong on that? they tend to get they want to be sight specific or is it just the zoning and all I think they have to pick places, right? My understanding is yeah from um a member of the planning board that is actually on the cohs and
at their board meeting this morning he was describing that if it is a single site is the only acceptable option to the state that they would that the town would vote on which of the six five
locations they are considering for that >> right exactly so I think I think it's maybe fewer variables in total, but let's say they present six or five or some, they probably won't have that many, but they may have a number of them and they I expect that there will be
fairly heated debate about the relative merits, particularly the ones that are categorically different, right? Um >> that's why I'm saying it doesn't for >> I agree. No, I agree with you discussion. It doesn't matter. >> No, I I agree. I agree. It doesn't
matter. There's a down selection. So yeah, I just I I kind of the reason I'm bringing it up is because that, you know, there's also consideration there. Can we get done faster? But I don't think so. I think there's going to be plenty of galvanized opposition to
whatever, you know, locations are selected. So I expect a long meeting regardless, I guess, is my point. >> Yeah. I mean the I if if the the one thing just for all of us to be a aware
of is that if the planning board goes in in the direction that you thought it would be actually be a short me a shorter meeting then you'd have to consider the the two-day model and say do we want to try to get >> that's why I'm exactly that's why I'm thinking about it but you know if it's X
sites it doesn't matter that they're single sites each there's X there's X proposals and we need to work through >> right and you're going to have to down select in some manner and get to an up or down vote at some point. So, um, and
then there was a fairly heated, not heated, maybe too strong. There was a robust debate yesterday about the replacement candidate on the planning board and the subtext of that, I think, was that one of the candidates, I think, is sort of a pox on all your houses
position and and you know, so there will be that, right? There will be that like none of these these all stink. We're going to just punt, right? So, okay. So, I guess I I I I remain in my own mind And I think Scott, that's one of the things you wanted to touch base on today
is I think the two-day model still is the right thing. And if by some chance we get done in time for everybody to go home and watch the football game, then you know, great. Right. >> I'm done. >> Okay. Um so if I can move on to the the
meeting itself, um we'll start at one. Um we will um you know and there will be very little in the way of preliminaries um because it's a short um uh it's a it's a special town meeting
and we'll uh so we will fairly quickly get into um the discussion and um so if we have some agreed facts they will be presented up front then however many proposals we have those will at um
presented um and um uh item seven on my uh my memo there and maybe we could put that back up for people to see. Um, one of the things I' I've long had a policy uh at least in in
theory, and it's only only has been taken advantage of once or twice over the last 10 years, um, is that if there's organized opposition to something, um, uh, a group can request, I I don't necessarily have to agree to
it, but in general, I'm open to a a group requesting permission to make an an opposition presentation that would be longer than the usual two minutes uh allowed. Uh I am still open to that on this though not knowing what the what
the proposals are and since opposition to one may be being in favor of another. It's not clear to me that I'll be able to figure out uh that. So I'm not I'm open to it, but I'm not uh totally committed to actually doing it. It we'll have to see how it how it shakes out,
but that may be a possibility there. I should also mention um that my standard policy that's referenced there that I've had for the last 10 years or so that also would be available uh if there's anyone who wants to organize in opposition whether it's to the fire
station or to the demolition bylaw. Um so that's that's a possibility and I would just direct people to the um me the memo that's on the uh website. >> Um we will >> I just I have a clarification question. Sure.
>> So, okay. So, you have each of the proposals, however many there are, and they'll be presented. Is it, you know, they present, say there's three options still, just, you know, anchoring to that number. Do they present option one and then any
sort of rebuttals get up and talk and then we proceed on to option two and then any sort of rebuttals get up and talk and then option three or is it planning board presents one two three and then any sort of rebuttals all in one mass? that that's that's part of why
I'm I'm leaving it open because I I just um I I think all three proposals need to get out on the on the table. Whether we even allow opposition, then I would probably just do do them thereafter. But, you know, I'm not going to we're not going to have like
six opposition presentations. You know, if there were maybe one or two, we could we could do it. If it looks like it's going to be more than that, then there won't be any and people will just need to speak from the floor. uh as as usual. >> Okay. >> So Wayne, in terms of a typical town
meeting, is is each of the proposals kind of like got its own 5 to seven minute block or you like how are you managing the the timing of that? >> Um I I'm in discussion with the planning
board. I've raised that with with them. Um, and they're they're not totally sure cuz it, you know, you know, I'm sure they were surprised to be rejected from the state. So, they they weren't making decisions before they needed to. So, now they've got a whole new set of things to
to figure out. I think that they were thinking that there would be some sort of baseline presentation that explains the statute, what they're trying to accomplish, and you know, things that are applicable to the entire issue and then go into each proposal one by one.
So, um, we just need to see how it's how it's going to work out. Um in in general uh I like to keep presentations to under 10 minutes because people start tuning out. Um so and you know and if we have a
series of them that makes it even more more challenging so I'll be encouraging them to be succinct but at the same time we have to provide enough information that people can be informed. So that's kind of the balance that we'll we'll try to strike. Um,
we'll then have a dedicated question period. Um, I'm not sure how long that's going to be. Um, I suspect it could run somewhere between uh half an hour to an hour. Um, and uh, this would have a
special time limit. Instead of saying two minutes, would be one minute. you get one minute to ask your question and then we'll have one um or two minutes for response and and that will be it. Um and then and then move on. So, we'll try to keep that going quickly and anyone
who tries to slip some argument in um won't be allowed. See, it's got to be a genuine question. If it's just something argumentative, I'll say thank you. Sit down. We're going to move on. We're not answering that. Um, so that and that all of that is to get us to the point where
we can actually have a debate where everyone is reasonably well educated by the time we get to the debate. Um, and I, you know, I don't want to have the sort of situation where we sometimes have where somebody, you know, 45
minutes in or an hour into the debate want thinks of some interesting question to ask and poses it. Um, let's get that done up front. Um, I don't know how long the debate will last. Uh, I will certainly be
encouraging people not to repeat themselves. And if it sounds like uh we're just getting repetitive arguments, then um I'll call for a vote. Um, and if uh I I haven't yet called for a vote and
uh someone wants to uh call the question. Um that's sort of a if I think it's genuinely too way way too early, I won't take I won't accept that motion. I'll rule it out of order. But even if it's earlier than I personally would
have chosen, but there's been a good long debate. If someone calls the question, then we'll take a quick vote and see if people are ready to vote. Um, now when we get to the voting, um, uh, I'm going to I'm going to focus on
the three proposal, uh, variation since that was what I was a, you know, before tonight was what I was expected was most likely. Uh, if it's more than three, we just add some more at the front end. If it's only two
um then we can reduce the front end a little bit. But um but three that maybe uh let me actually um flip it around a little bit and start from the end. Okay. What we would like to do at the very end
is have a straight up or down vote on one proposal so that it at the end of the day it looks just like the normal thing that we would do on a zoning article at a town meeting. Here's the proposal. Do you
want it? Yes or no. And that will be the only binding vote. That will be the vote that counts. Okay. Um the question then is how do we get to that to select down to use uh David's terminology. So the way we're going to
do it is when we have the vote um using the electronic um voting devices the the clickers we'll just take a sequential vote on all three proposals. Um do you like uh proposal A? Yes or no. Do you
like proposal B? Yes or no. Do you like proposal C? Yes or no. Everyone gets to vote however they like on all three. If you like all three and would be willing to see any of them um
adopted, then you vote yes on all three. If you don't want any of them adopted, you vote no on all three. If you like one a lot, could live with one, but really hate the third one, then you can vote two yeses and one no. or you can
vote one yes and two, whatever people want. The whole idea is to give people the option on that first round to express their true preferences without worrying about how anyone else is going to vote. The reason that I'm going to not re
explain uh not announce the results of those individual votes until all of them are taken is so that we don't have any gamesmanship and jockeying for which article which proposal gets voted first. That way everyone is just in
incentivized to vote their true preferences. After that then we'll drop the bottom proposal. If one of the proposals got over 50% and two did not, then we'll drop the bottom
two and we'll just move directly to the up or down vote on the one that got greater than 50%. Um, and that's the process that we'll use to get to that final up or down vote.
Questions on that? So, it's kind of a it's not rank choice voting, but it's a variation of that in its end result, right? >> It's a it it it's a variation of that in its end result. I think um a number of
people have likened it to a runoff and I I think that is fair. It is it is a runoff partly. Um, but it changes at the end because normally in a runoff election, you're
choosing between two candidates here because we're a legislative assembly. The final vote will not be between two different proposals. It will be up or down on >> well proposal meaning nothing is a proposal anyway. I guess so two so two
comments. One is in in a runoff the the preliminary or the primary the primary let's call it or whatever before the runoff you only can choose one candidate you can't choose it's so the reason I say it's a little more like rank choice voting is that you're giving people the opportunity to vote yes and multiple
things >> you're not saying first second and third but yeah but you're >> right and that yeah and that that's why I'm only calling it preliminary and not >> not actually calling it run off or rank choice I agree with I agree with that. >> Those are not 100% accurate and I don't want to mislead.
>> So, let me ask a different question, Wayne. You're giving a buy to the final to a proposal that means none of the above. It is still a proposal. It's just not a proposal that builds any units, but it gets a buy to the final.
It kind of gets an unfair advantage. >> I I um I'm not sure I would call it an unfair uh advantage. Um uh I think it's I mean it it it makes it it it makes it
look like a uh it it the idea is to bring it down to the way we we typically would uh have a zoning amendment. And um it gives you know the other thing that's that's going on by this process is that
I I'm predicting um that people are going to be influenced by what they see and what they hear. And um so you know depending part of what people are are trying to
gauge is what's acceptable to my neighbors, what's acceptable to me. And you know, people, some people are, you know, weigh one a lot more heavily uh than others. And I'm trying to give everyone the opportunity to vote however
they want and um come up with something that represents in effect the best consensus choice that the community could come up with for itself. Wayne, have you have you talked to other moderators or um do you have some
experience with this or any you know have other towns done it this way with multiple options? I'm just curious if it's been tried or >> um so this the particular details
um have not been done quite this way and I'm not aware of another town that on the MBTA or on a similar zoning thing brought multiple proposals forward at the same time. Um and
uh often it where it has been more frequently done is in the context of budgetary discussions and typically what's done there is they do sequential voting with the most expensive budget first and if that doesn't pass then they go to the next lower one and the next
lower one and so forth. Um so um this particular thing hasn't been tried but it's pretty close to what has been done in in those processes. I was concerned um that uh that since it's not obvious
what the sequence should be as it is in a in a budgetary one. Um, I was concerned that if we revealed the vote after taking each one, then there are potential gamesmanship as to which one do you vote first.
Um, so, uh, this is, uh, the best I could come up with with trying to think of something where the incentive is for people to truly vote whatever is in their heart and in their mind as to what they think is best for the community and
not to spend a lot of mental cycles trying to game the system. So, the vote comes out at the end of the day the way they wanted because they fooled someone by thinking through the voting process more cleverly. question Wayne in the >> but I certainly would invite you or
anyone out there listening if you can figure out a way to poke a hole in this and show me how it could be gamed I would love to hear from you >> when I have a question and it's I don't know if if the permutation you've thought through if in the final vote you
um something emerges with a a slight advantage and it it goes to the town and for whatever reason it gets voted down are we done for the night or would you ever put forward the second most vote getter as as another option just to
see if for some for some reason like just the combination of voting. So it it gets to that final vote if if is it one up or down on the last option and if that fails we all go home and come back and try to get in compliance at it later or would we ever take go down the line
so to speak and see if any of the options can get a majority in the final vote? >> Um I hadn't thought about that one specifically. um you know in
there is this this motion for reconsideration um that is is available and um you know it's generally um
uh one that it a lot of mischief can be caused with it but it's still valuable and important to have in some circumstances and I I have to say that in this particular circumstance where the town has put so much effort
into trying to come up with something that um let's face it the reason it has been hard is because it's technically hard given our geography our water um
and it's politically hard because people have different views and so under those circumstances if the choice is going home totally empty-handed or seeing if one might gain
support. I I I think I'd likely be more open to a motion for reconsideration under those circumstances. >> So, um so Wayne, I mean Scott asked a variation of my question. In other words, it's the buy to the final question. If if it is just up or down on
the last one, and if it's down, it's bye-bye. Then you did give option null, whatever that option number is, abide in the final. And if you open it, reopen it, you didn't. But if you didn't, why don't you just put none of the above in
the preliminary rounds and see where that goes? Because, you know, it does bias. I mean, there are I I tend to believe that the people who don't want it aren't going to want any option. They don't care what option. They're not going to want it.
And then the people who do believe that we need to comply will seriously weigh those various things and think about, you know, what has the less environmental impact and so forth. So, I don't think it would matter, but but I I am concerned that we're kind of by, you know, we're giving a little bit of extra
weight to the none of the above thing. And and the antidote to me is not to reopen it, but to make sure that the planning board or whoever gives very clear reasons why a solution is needed to
comply. I mean, that's the point that I would make is like we we need to comply and these are the reasons why because the cost of not compliance is this, this, this, and this. And and get everybody at least that's, you know, prone to want to do that. And anybody
who's on the fence about doing that, give those people a reason to say yes, I really need to consider the the options that have a solution in them. Then I'm okay, you know. But I think that's the slippery slope that I don't think reopening I don't know. That's kind of
>> Yeah, that's my view. >> So, Wayne, >> you you make you make a good point, David, and I will um and and I had to do this at the playing board when when people brought up that they wanted to have a clear up or down vote. Uh because
in in in effect, they actually wanted to have a none of the above option clearly available. And in part, my making this clear up or down vote at the end was to be responsive to that. So, um, what I want to do since it is so complicated, I
do I I hear what you're saying, David. You make a good point. I want to think it through. check in with town council uh as I've been been doing regularly through this whole process because I want to make uh as sure as we can be that uh if there's
any litigation afterwards um on on this so it's not based on us having done something procedurally that uh was questionable. So I will I will consider it David. It's it's worth it's worth looking into. Thanks.
>> And again, Wayne, just just to clarify, the the recent the recent uh step six, seven, the proposal opposition presentations that you're you're specifically talking about MBTA, correct? Just just so we're clear. Or do you plan on bringing that same format to
the other? Well, you know, certainly six. Um, you know, I was just clarifying um that in terms of the proposals, it's not going to be we're going to have one proposal, debate it, and then the next
one debate it and so forth. Uh, with the other articles, presentations are always upfront. Opposition presentations are always available on any article anytime. That's been the long-standing policy. And on questions, I often do questions
upfront. >> Um, and I will probably actually this particular rule of saying one minute per question, one per answer. Um, I'm if that works out well uh this time I may impose that as a general rule uh for all meetings. >> Okay.
>> So yes, all three of those are are going to apply to this special town meeting. All of the articles. >> Thank you. So Wayne, I had a question. Um, you know, just to follow on to David's point. I thought I read in the memo.
Okay. So why are we having a no vote? Because we're basically voting non-compliance with a law. So we're not I I think I had read that it we're worried about a potential lawsuit. I mean, so how can we
be sued for complying with the law? That does not strike me. Is that really is this a realistic concern? Do I have that right? Did I read read that right? >> Um anyone can always um try to file a
suit on any uh after an action vote vote by the select board, vote by the town at town meeting. >> Um it's always it's always possible. Um and so uh you know I'm not I'm not predicting that it's likely here. uh and
anything but however this turns out whether something is approved or not um there's always the possibility of litigation. If a proposal is approved um then uh litigation is possible and actually I can give you a specific thing
that has already been raised to me which is that the quantum of vote required to pass here with a zoning article normally is 2/3 under the MBTA community's statute it is
only 50%. That then creates the question, okay, is this legitimately an MBTA zoning article or is it a general zoning article? >> Um, and there's there's language on that
in the statute. There's guidance from the attorney general's office. There's other towns have grappled with it and so forth. It is my understanding from the planning board chair and the planning board administrator that they are very
aware of this issue and that they only uh that this is of course all prior to last night. So, I don't know if their views have changed, but up until last night, my understanding was um that their intention is only to propose make
proposals that would qualify as true MBTA zoning proposals and would require 50%. I have been asked, well, suppose something's in there that actually requires 2/3. My answer to that is
if the planning board having looked at it, having consulted town council tells me that it's eligible, I'm going to say it's eligible. And if someone questions that, they can take it to the attorney general. They can take it to the courts,
but I'm not going to um I'm not going to go get involved and second guessess um their expert judgment. That would be like uh me reviewing the language of a a bonding article that bond council has has put together and say, "Well, I don't
think it's quite right." >> Well, yes and no. I think it's a good um it's a very good question and I think Chairman Triola, you may want to think about a final review. It doesn't need to be the whole board. I think
>> a review with council and the planning board and and Wayne when when everything's sort of set, I would take one more review with that lens of litigation. And I think if you if you reflect on yesterday's
um the first portion of the planning board meeting where they debated two different candidates, one candidate, Justin Harrison, um is kind of bringing that up. He's he's saying, "Well, you're treating one group unfairly, right? You're biasing." And so
I mean his his proposed I think I don't want to speak for him but my impression of his you know improvement way to get around that is to basically start over which he said we don't have time to start over. So, we can't start over. But I think we
have to look at I'm making this more broadly to the select board, not to Wayne, but I think the town we have to protect the town, right? And we have to be super careful that whatever process is not a we're, you know, we're mitigating any perceived
bias. I can't answer about whether it's twothirds to half, but if there's any bias in the process that unfairly targeted is too strong a word, but unfairly burdened a group over other groups. We
got to just look at that. There's never going to be there's always going to be a loser. If if a particular area is zoned this way and it's perceived by the people who live there as a downgrade, so to speak, they're going to feel put upon and that's
natural, but we have to make sure that the process was like totally transparent. So, I guess I don't have a real good answer, but I think it's worth your time, Scott, to kind of dive into that with maybe Sarah and Julie and counsel. I'm done.
>> Oh, anything else I can uh share with you? Any any questions you have? Are you going to do you typically interact with Sarah Wayne from a planning board standpoint or Julie?
>> Yes. T typically uh what I've been doing is um you know I uh check check things out with um with both of them and you know depending on the issue one or the other um will will respond.
>> Yeah. I mean, I think the the the question of, you know, the feedback that was received, the next steps, the timing of the next steps. Um, the question I had for them last night is we have the signing of the warrant on October 7th. We have all these, you know, as as you
indicated in your process, the the bylaw has to be finalized by the 20th of 20th of October. I just want to keep a careful eye on the timeline um as as these this this the situation changes and evolves. that that um we're going to
be able to hit all those key dates. >> Well, um you know what I what I can tell you is that that schedule that you're that they're working off of uh we had a uh there was a coordination meeting uh in
early September. Um and Julie had put together a brilliant schedule that we all everyone looked at uh you know on Zoom and everyone had it in front of them and everyone looked at all the interdependencies and so the schedule that they're working on um it was it was
a refinement of what Julie had put up and I I think it's it's pretty solid. It's tight um but that's just the nature of where we are. Okay. Any other questions for Wayne tonight? Um, again, our next meeting we we will
be uh signing the warrant. So So that's that's when we'll see you next. I will you be there for that, Wayne, or no? >> U probably I actually I may not be able to make that particular one, but you you really don't need me for that. >> Okay.
>> I'll I'll have I'll I'll have seen I'll have commented on on drafts uh before then. Uh anyway, >> okay. If there's any anything that comes up between now and then >> um that you need our input on. >> Okay. I will u get off of the video, but
I will try to stay on for the audio for the your following discussions. And again, I would just comment. I know there are a lot of people on online. Um anyone wants to shoot comments to me at moderator carloa.gov, you're certainly welcome to do so. I
will read them all. Um if a If only three people write to me, I will likely answer. If 30 people write to me, I'm making no promises other than that I will read them all and consider whatever you have to say. >> Thank you, Wayne.
>> Great. Thanks, Wayne. Appreciate it. >> All right. So, within this agenda item, um, we also had listed a discussion for the demolition review bylaw, um, andor MBTA Communities Act. I see Ben um is
here from the historic commission. So, let's let's move on to discuss the demolition review bylaw. um they presented to us at our last meeting and and subsequent to that I know there was the open house that Travis and I believe
David attended and um so one I wanted to just check in and and see one from Ben if there there are any updates >> um from your end in terms of feedback or outreach that you've received um and then I'll open it up hi Chrissy um we'll
open it up to discussion and I' I'd certainly like to hear um from Travis and and whomever David was also at the open house. Your impressions and thoughts. So, Ben and Chrissy, is there anything we should know as a select board uh since we last
met regarding the bylaw itself or any feedback or outreach you've done? >> Well, um thanks Scott. Um and uh I guess you know, thank you for uh uh having us to the select board on the 9th and uh to
Travis and David for coming on the 17th. I think we had a a really good conversation on the 17th at the open house. Um there were some other community members there as well. Um and um so we are still in the mode of receiving
feedback from people. Um we have sent out um the survey um in uh a number of different places, you know, on the historical commission website. Aubre's been helping us getting that out on the social media channels as well, uh, which
has, um, uh, encouraged some people to, uh, offer some more input, which is great. Um, and, uh, so another thing that, uh, we are doing as a commission is we've we are scheduling, we have our monthly meetings. So, we're we're going
to be meeting on the 15th of October as our next official uh, meeting. um and hearing date. Um we are going to be scheduling an open house for that date as well. Um but we're also going to be meeting in the interm as a commission on
the second uh a business meeting to um revisit the parameters of the bylaw. I think we've gotten a lot of great feedback from people that um has caused
us to think more about the uh parameters of the bylaw. And um you know, ultimately we want to make this for the town of Carile. You know, we want it to be specific to the town of Carile and not for just you know, any town USA, so
to speak. Um and so I think we we heard that loud and clear on the 17th and um so um we we uh feel that it's necessary for us to convene again um as much as we can between now and special town meeting
um to revi refine and and revisit some of these parameters. >> Were there parameters in specific? When when you say parameters, are you referring to like >> the the length of the process? some of the some of the things I've heard like the significant how are you're defining
>> what are the key things that you're looking at as a commission that and potentially revisiting or refining. >> So I'd say um uh the length of the review is one of the things that we are looking at as a commission um and how we
can fine-tune that. Um we're looking at the threshold um for what triggers the demolition review bylaw. Um it's currently a 50-year rolling clock and so we are
revisiting that. There are other models that we have been evaluating as a commission um as well as um defining better historical significance. I think there's been a lot of question about that and so I think
there's some fine-tuning of that definition in the bylaw that is needed as well. So that that is a uh uh a topic of discussion for us. >> And given your meeting schedule, if you meet on the second, do you think is your
goal of that meeting to refine the language and then send it for at that meeting or I mean given the time remaining to special town meeting obviously times be getting really tight to revisit and revise and then have it
all vetted legally and and all that. So, is your goal at the next meeting to make any final changes or do you expect that process to extend to your meeting on the 15th? >> I'm not sure we can say at this point.
Um, I will comment on the bylaw has since the spring been vetted by town council. So, certainly this would not be the first time that they're seeing the language. It would simply be a few re revisions. Um, >> so I think that as the feedback is
coming in, I think the visibility for this discussion has really ramped up and we are now getting the feedback that we've been hoping for all along. Um, and as Ben mentioned, I think the robust conversation that we were able to have
at um, our open house last week and the continued um, support and review from the survey is really helping us to fine-tune this at this point. >> How many people came to the um, open house last week?
Um so we had three people attend the open house but we have had um more than 30 people respond to the survey. Um >> since the >> since the open house
>> uh >> yeah since the last open house we had 30 people respond and we've had uh 50 to 60 I think previous to that. So, that's a pretty good cohort for us to be looking at on input.
>> Travis, I know you were at the the And sorry, before we get into the public hearing, um, have you outreached to any other have you had feedback from any of the other committees or stakeholders within town, board of assessors or anyone else involved in the process? We
are um we're meeting with the board of assessors on the 30th. Um we're meeting with the planning board again on the 20th. We've met with them previously. Uh we've talked about um uh we've reached out to the uh affordable
housing trust. Um and then you know social media um mosquito city in the woods those are things that are on our radar. others. Chrissy, I think that was I think that was the list as of right now.
>> Hearing with the housing trust on the 9th of October. We're just waiting for them to confirm. >> Yeah. >> You said the planning board would be on October 20th. >> Yes. >> And where have they seen this though, right? They have you've had some feedback, correct?
>> Sarah historic commission as well, right? >> Yes. >> Yeah. So, she's been relaying um developments on the bylaw to the planning board in the interm. Um but we will be
officially in front of them on the 20th, >> but that'll be presented for bylaw like that that won't allow for feedback >> or additional input. Yeah, I mean luckily we do have the liaison to the planning board. So we,
you know, we do have a conduit to them in the interm. >> Yeah, they're pretty busy right now. >> Yes, they are. >> So Travis and David, I know you were at the the um open house. I'm sorry I
couldn't attend that. um your I know what were your impressions or the the points of discussion that came up from the citizen or from from both of you? >> Yeah, I I think Ben and Chrissy have done a nice job in in you know seeking
input here and they're working to try and reach out. I I do have just kind of general concerns about, you know, the outreach because I've seen this with the TA bylaw and as we try to put forward things to the town, it's really
important to get this information out so that people can kind of preview it and have opinions and it shapes into how this is um you know approached a town meeting. It's it's otherwise I I fear that it could be a you know long night
or have some you know a lot of people may just be waking up to it there um a lot of people focused on the MBTA bylaw right now who I think would be interested in this particular bylaw as well. Um so you know hopefully they
just continue and it sounds like it. I think you're you're doing what you need to do um to do that and I think you've done a nice job of articulating the three kind of main points at least that I've heard from you know people I've talked to in the community and you know
concerned about the age the 50-year time horizon and whether that's um the right number um I think that a lot of people could probably rally or get supportive of a certain age um when you talk about
um the 250th celebration that just took place and they had and conquered what's called witness houses that were witnessed to the revolution or to the you know event of uh of 250 years ago and and and I think there's some
spectrum there where you you may fall and and so I don't know if 50 years is the right number and so I'm glad you're evaluating that the 18 months um you know is a a long time period to review and to have the town have the option And I understand the rationale for wanting
to have that review period, but the question is, is that, you know, if someone wants to take down their garage, um, you know, and it's is that deemed an 18-month process? I I don't know. And then the last and I think the most
important one is really and you heard this from the other person who attended it was Alan Lewis um who was most concerned about the the definition of what is significant building or structure. I mean that's the crux of this and and really um giving you know a
a total blanket to um that and I know you've you've worked to um you know define it as best you can but it it really you know when it talks about context of other homes by itself or in the context of a group of buildings it
you know opens up the possibility that someone in a row of deck houses who wants to change their um you know deck house to some other type of structure might not be allowed to do that and I just think that the you know town needs
to think about that relative to it but you're taking all that into consideration and I think that out of this is going to come what what the town deems and what voters deem is the best you know thing for Carlile. So I I'm happy with your process. I think you're going through it the right the right
way. I just hope you can get out enough meetings and enough, you know, information. David, did you have anything else? >> Yeah. So I think I mentioned to Ben at the open house that I'm not sure whether it's good or bad that he's following the
heels of MBTA, but I can say that the antenna of those who believe that Carlile is adopting a much too big brothery, you know, oversight of people's free choice. I I I
get the sense and this is a a distillation of stuff that goes on nationally right now, right? That there's a there's a core of people who think who are these people even though we elected them like who are they to decide that we should do X or Y. So
there there's going to be that in the MD MBTA debate that will be a thread. I believe that you know just cuz it comes down on high like who are we to just accept that that we shouldn't accept that our my house my rights you know that kind of thing. So there's a
possibility that that spills over into this law and and the reason I bring that up is back to I'll take sort of Travis's points which I agree with in reverse order. So the first one and the one definitely that Allan made clear is I
believe that the uh process in terms of evaluating which properties have historical significance needs to be codified in a much more prescriptive or documented way. The idea that there's this group called the historical
commission who can just decide arbitrarily that this house has significance and this one doesn't or this one does. not but it's in a group of houses that do. So it's painted by the same brush. I mean that is seeding an awful lot of nebulous authority to a
group that is first of all not elected and secondly you know is a very minor subset of the population. So >> the best advice I can give I gave to Ben and is and Chrissy is
try to write the B are we writing a bylaw for this? I presume it is being written, right? It's that there's >> yeah that try to put as much specificity around it as you possibly can to indicate that there's a clear and not
just you know non-arbitrary crit set of criteria against which the determination of property of historical significance will be made. So that's that piece in terms of the
age of home. um the 50-year mark just because it coincides with kind of a more dramatic population increase in Carlile and a change from these old sort of farmy kind
of buildings to the what we call the mid-century modern and because we're very much a deck house community and that whole sort of style it's not all deck houses but that style of building is going to capture a lot of buildings. I'm not against it. I'm sensitive to it
and I live in a deck house myself, but I think you need to carefully consider, as Travis said, nobody's going to argue with a 100-y old house and probably not a 75 year old house, but a 50-y old house is going to garner a lot of questions and it's going to capture a
lot of things. So, it's a I don't have an answer for that, but I'm just saying you just happen to pick a time when you're going to capture a fair number of houses, whereas ear older if if the criterion was older houses, it would be
a much more a much smaller segment and unlikely to garner a lot of opposition. the um the third one that or you know the first one that he mentioned but the third thing is the 18 months and I really think that's a long time and and and the commission would do well to
think about how that process can be compressed no matter what I mean people are going to seize on that and you know the historical commission say well it's not really going to be that way it could be expedited blah blah blah yes but if you put 18 months people are going to say well you could take 18 months and I
think the practical consideration that Tra that uh Travis mentioned or anybody else like, "Hey, I want to sell my house. I need to move. I got to move. My job's moving. My mom is sick. I have to move to where she lives. I can't wait 18
months. You can't give me You can't give me an 18 month cycle." So, I would be very sensitive to that and see what ways you feel practically you can compress that. And I urge you to get it down because that's going to be like a major point of opposition. So I think in
theory it's a good thing and it nods to our um you know sensitivity to our cultural heritage and the need to preserve it. Um but in practice the way it's written I think it's setting itself
up for a failed vote and that's just my belief. And so I I think it really needs some serious work on those details. Now, that's not particularly a reflection on the open house, but I mean that's kind of a broad thing. And the last thing I'll say is, and I was an
architecture student in college. I'm not an architect, but diversity and change, that's part of architecture. You know, if you just say, "No, everybody has to have a everybody in this street has a mid-century modern. That's it. You can't build anything else." That's actually an
antithetical to the whole architectural spirits. So I would urge the commission to think those things through and see if you can a refine the criteria, b think really hard about the the years in which
they fall and c compress the timeline. >> Thank you. >> Thank you both. my two cents. Um, not being overly familiar with demo delay or demo review bylaws,
um, you know, the two things that that struck me upon kind of first review was that the definition of significant and the time frame. Um, and I was also, you know, I wasn't aware of all the all the neighboring towns that also had uh, demo delay or demo review bylaw. So, I looked
at some of those just to see, you know, how they defined things. And I think what what so the the bylaw you're presenting the the language in there is is similar to the language that's in the in the the neighboring towns. I think the difference to me um when I look at
something like Bedford is they use they use the term um context of a group of buildings, but it's within it's within the context of the building being listed on an inventory um that's created proactively, right? It's not something
um you know so you would go around they would identify a house it would it would go through a hearing process and be deemed significant but that's before the process of a of a pulling a demolition permit and I know we don't have that here um but I think given that given um
one is that something we we as a town should consider creating andor funding to create is an inventory of historic buildings and I I understand the resources aren't in place today to do that. But if if I think someone had
mentioned that's something that the the CPC funding can be used to support. I don't know if that's true or not, but um is there a way to bake in that concept into the bylaw with a longer term strategy of creating an inventory? And that's probably a bigger scope for the
discussion. Um but a lot of towns have something like that. they have their inventory of historic buildings that that um sets the parameters of of what's considered so people aren't wondering is my house historic. I don't know. The only way I can find out if my house is
would be considered historic is to is to pull a demolition permit. And that's a little unsettling. I think people want to want to have some some understanding of uh down the line how would my house be received? And so I think being clear
about how that's defined andor contemplating some kind of inventory if we know there's homes that are significant um starting to codify that in some way and again that's not for this town meeting but maybe a future town meeting but it's something I'd like the historic commission to discuss and
think about um either in this bylaw or an amendment to this bylaw. Um but you know I support the idea in concept as do again all the neighboring towns have them. But I think really keying in on um the time frame and that definition of
significance so that people you know who's going to be the in the historic commission in 10 years or 15 years or who's going to be the building commissioner in at those times. You have to build a process that is not dependent on the individual sitting in those seats at the time. So codifying that process,
being as explicit as possible, uh will give people the confidence they need that in 101 15 years if they ever when their house is historic um that the process is clear and and fair. So um essentially echoing the comments that
Travis and and David made, but I I do think we're not having an inventory or planning for an inventory is makes this difficult in a lot of respects. Thanks, Scott. Um, are you guys looking I mean, I think
these are all great comments and I think these are uh great questions that we need to bring back to the commission to um discuss. Um, but um the these are not I wouldn't say that these are uh brand
new questions either. So um these are these are things that we have already been uh scrutinizing and um so I think now we're we are at the point to start to make some decisions about which direction we need to take uh in response
to them. >> Great. Barney Christine any any other additional comments or questions at this point? And again, we we're going to be as I as I told them on the 7th, we're going to be signing the warrant. And I guess looking at your timeline, we'll
have to touch base and see if um I'm not sure if as a committee we'll be in a position to take a position on on this article depending on what the what the state of it is. If you're still refining or or getting clarification on language. I I don't know if we could do that on the seventh, but we'll we'll figure that
out. >> Okay. Yeah. Looking forward to touching base, Scott. Yep. Great. >> Um, any other questions at this point from the board? >> No. >> Okay. >> You >> both appreciate it.
>> Yeah. Thank you. >> You're welcome. >> Yeah. Thank you all. >> So, the other item we had um was the MBTA communities act discussion. I don't Is anyone from the planning board here? I don't know that they were coming tonight. Um, and I think when we put
this on the agenda, we weren't necessarily contemplating um, the feedback from the state that was shared last night, but this is a good opportunity for us as a as a select board to just have a brief discussion
um, comments, questions on MBTA. Ryan, did you have any updates from today? I Barney had been mentioning there might might have been some additional legal feedback. >> U, we don't have anything final. Well, I do know that town council is preparing a response for the planning board that I'm
sure will be shared with you on the discussions they've already had and then just ongoing talk with council about any proposals that that will be made. >> Do you have any sense of what the time frame is? I I just it feels like the clock is going to run out in terms of
getting additional feedback from the state. >> I I I would agree. I do know that the warrant um will be ready for the 9th to sign and then you have up to town meeting for for the motions in in the
final part of this. I know we don't want to be doing this at the last minute, but there is still time, believe it or not. >> So Scott, are you saying was the question? So the HLC has has it in writing in their law. I can't remember it starts with a seven that they'll take
comments and give feedback, you know, 30 days in advance. And it sounds like they've been willing to work with us, you know, all along. It's just, you know, Yeah. you got to give some people some notice. >> No, I'm I'm just referring specifically to what the planning board said about
pushing back and seeing if they could get a cluster strategy or strategies approved. >> I see. >> And I'm skeptical of that back and forth with the state and getting any kind of clear binding response that that we'd have enough confidence in in the time
remaining. Um so, you know, at some point it's to put down your pencil's time and and move forward with what we know will be compliant versus waiting to see maybe maybe the state will allow us to do this or that. At some point, we can't we can't wait for that anymore. And I just
don't know where they are in that feedback loop. Um what's the um when's the planning board there? Are they meeting? Uh I know they have another open when is their um >> public hearing. >> 29th is it?
>> Yeah. 29th is >> so we will so maybe between now and October uh is it 7th that we have our meeting where we have to sign off on the warrant. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Right. Maybe we can get an update
from the planning board about you know which which direction they're going to go in for town meeting. >> And Ryan for the signing of the warrant in the language that's needed for that article. Do the scenarios have to be specified?
>> They do not. >> Okay. So, so it can it can remain a little bit open on the 7th in terms of can if we don't have a clear answer on a particular strategy. It it's not like October 7th is the is the drop on that one.
>> Correct. Like most most bylaws, you you can refer to a place where the bylaw will be finalized and published for review prior to town meeting in a in a um warrant article. For the motion, it obviously has to be very specific. And I
would say the earlier you can get to that final draft, the better, but I understand the circumstances, >> right? >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, we'll see how that evolves. Um, >> and um, when will the warrant book
actually be published, Ryan, in ter if if the SL board wanted to take a position on the MBTA act proposals? What's our drop dead date for that?
what when you sign it on the 7th would be your last chance to to recommend any of these articles, any of the four that are currently pending in the warrant booklet. >> Okay? >> Which isn't as pressing as it used to be
when you would mail it to every home, but it will be the reference document until town meeting. And then the motion's hand handouts handout will be um provided a couple of days will be run
off a couple of days before the special town meeting. >> The earlier the better. Yep. Um because it's >> okay. >> Gretchen, me Aubrey just printing on a printer. So >> Okay. >> And if we need to do a thousand, we're just going to pray that we have enough
ink. >> Yeah. >> Okay. You guys don't send those out to be printed, huh? >> We try to save money everywhere we can. >> I I Okay. >> They'll hand deliver it if you really >> I have it.
>> Sometimes that's a mistake, >> but I I would say that um relative to when we take a position and what position we take, we don't need to decide that now, but I think we've already expressed
I don't want to speak for the SE board, but my my belief is that we expressed support to comply. >> Yes. >> So that means we want a solution, not a no vote. That's what we recommend because of what happened last night.
Prior to last night, I think at least my thinking was we could take a position on cluster scattered and single cycle. there would be reasons to support or not support any one of those.
Now, if we're at single site and it's site ABCD or whatever, I don't think we can do that. We can't do that. Like, we can't say we like East Street, we don't like, you know, Rutland. Like, we can't do that. So, I believe, and this is just for food for
thought for when we get to that point, that we're going to have to just figure out a way to indicate our support for a solution, but not one specific solution. And I don't know how we do that exactly. >> I mean, it might just be passage of this
article. I mean, at the end of the day, it's going to be passage of the article >> and we could put some language on that, >> right? so that Carlile is in compliance with the blah blah blah I'm sure >> right I mean that's what we have to think about right so I I would that's what I urge us to you know we need to
make it clear that we support compliance the like what I said earlier to uh you know to Wayne the the the cost of non-compliance is not something we as a town should embrace not following the law is not something
we should embrace we don't like the law the law is stupid blah blah but it doesn't matter it's the Right. So I think you know thinking about that and how we craft that that's my recommendation. >> Yeah. Makes sense. >> Hey Ryan, hold on. Let's have Brian
Waterson is looking to get into the meeting. >> Looks like he just got in. >> Okay, great. We're gonna do so. >> We'll think about language for that, David, for the between now and the next meeting and that can be a point of
discussion on the 7th. >> I agree. >> Sorry, Barney, you were saying. I didn't mean to step on. >> Oh, that's okay. I I was just noting on the agenda that we have um the language for the ballot question. >> Yes. No, I know. We're gonna we're gonna do that next.
>> Brian. Okay. >> Yep. We we still got a few minutes before Brian, but um okay, I think that's probably enough. We'll we'll certainly be getting more information from the planning board and MBTA communities and we'll certainly forward that along to everyone and and that'll be certainly a topic of discussion at
the next meeting. Um but let's move on to the next agenda item which is the town election fire station design ballot question approval. So this is um if the if the fire station article were to pass at town meeting, it would be a
debt exclusion. So we would need to have uh have put it on the ballot. And um in talking with Ryan, the um we could have it we could have an election on November 4th, which is election day. Um we have
nothing else going on unfortunately but um we could have the election that day and and we would need to approve uh the ballot question tonight. Um and again this is this is only if the if the article passes a town
meeting. So Bri Ryan, do you want to provide more context? >> I do. So, in order to have exempt debt, which I strongly recommend we do for a project of of this size, uh even the design, because of the strain it would
put on the budget, you you do need to have a debt exclusion vote. So the the argument for going as early as possible is to give you as much room after the approval in the election to do the design with with the idea that you would be going to the Springtown meeting with
bids in hand for a project vote. So the only way that we'd have a chance at that is to give as much space as possible. If you remember the conversations with Neil and Tecton about design time, the more time you can give them, the better. Then if you look at the calendar in November,
you have um the Veterans Day holiday falls on a I believe a Tuesday this year and then you're running into Thanksgiving week. So originally we had said just to give you some space December 2nd for potential election date.
But re if you really do want to get ahead, especially with the holidays, then we're recommending or giving you the option to go as early as possible. So, we would like to get your feedback on that and it would be good to decide that tonight if possible. And then the other part of this is
if you want to go on the 4th, November 4th, you need to approve the language 35 days prior to the election. So, that would be tonight. Um, and the language is vetted by council, approved by bond council for this for this particular
project. So really, you're just approving it with the ability for council to amend it to make it legal. So my feedback was it I I think it's it's good to have these elections in close proximity to to the the meetings themselves. I I think pushing this to
December, taking the timeline out of it, um, and allowing a month to pass before you're asking people to go to an election where there's no other that's the only item on the on the ballot. Um, I think you'd get less less turnout overall for something like that versus
if we can fast follow the actual meeting. Um, so you know, and then again when you look at November, doing it the following week doesn't really make sense with Veterans Day. We can't do it on that day. And then we're into Thanksgiving. So, um, to me, this is this is a good
approach and it's something that at the town meeting we can communicate to people and it's it's top of- mind and it's immediately happening. So there's nothing u Ryan there's no state local or federal election thing going on is November 4th national
election day >> it it would it's not this year but that is typically the day yeah >> I mean is there election day there must be election day this year every day every year has election day >> but not in Massachusetts >> there's no there's absolutely like if it
wasn't for Yes. On Nove. Well, regardless of this, there's nothing going on in November 4th that would make us have to have a election date. >> Correct. >> Okay. All right. Fair enough. So, so I lost a little bit of the thread here.
Are we saying December whatever second is the date because of Thanksgiving and veterans and so forth? That would likely be the No, I think the what what what's being recommended is the fourth. The next viable date would
probably be December 2nd, >> right? So the fourth, but is the fourth too close? I mean, that's the question. Is it too too much on the heels of um the town meeting? >> Yeah, it be the day after the night.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> We've never had that before, right? We always space it like a week. We let it marinate for a week basically. >> That David? >> No, I'm not. I'm I'm Well, no, I'm not
advocating anything yet. I'm just saying our practice, whether it's May, April, May, November, has been to let whatever issue requires a town vote marinate for a week after the town meeting vote. I'm
not sure that that's needed, but that's like a thing, right? And in fact, people who don't go to town meeting, you know, maybe learn about it more slowly, like they won't learn about it like the next day. So
the second question I guess is why Tuesday if it's not a national if there's no national local or state election which is whatever by whatever laws is a Tuesday why do we have to adhere to a Tuesday is there anything
that makes us have to adhere to a Tuesday >> no >> okay so if we remove Tuesday from our mental calendar. I don't think having an election or a vote this the day after we've sat down meeting is a good
practice. It just doesn't give people enough time to those who didn't go whenever you know it doesn't give enough time for people to absorb the information. I take it we can't have it in the 11th, but that week, the week of November 10th, is there any reason why
we can't have it? Like some other day that week, >> like Wednesday the 12th. Is that where you're >> Yeah, sure. I don't care. Yeah. >> Or Monday the 10th >> or probably not Monday if people take two days off because Veterans Day. >> Yeah, that's fine. So yeah, the 12th or
the 13th I would say just because a week is a good amount of time. A week is enough time where I'm not saying it's like you know cast in stone but our practice has been about a week and what that affords people is
it puts a little airspace between the actual town meeting and the vote and you know it's not so much time that they forget about the issue >> but it's enough time to think yeah get a mosquito is the mosquito publishing on the >> is the mosquito planning to publish on
the 7th or whatever that they >> well I assume they're going to publish that Thursday after town meeting >> right okay so given that and then they have the weekend to think about it I I mean that would be my view >> it is November 12th is world pneumonia
day but it's also national happy hour day >> great what what could possibly go wrong we should have free free beer free beer for the first 100 people to vote >> get some get the scouts to come and set up their lemonade table.
>> No, lemonade. Screw lemonade. It's national what? >> Happy hour happy hour. >> Lemonade pneumonia day, which is >> Well, we don't need but be aware. >> A free beer for the first 100 voters. I love it. Anyway, my point is that I
think we should try to get the vote done, not the next day and not three weeks from the day, but sometime in the week of the 11th or if we really had to, we could go the week
of the 17th, which somehow why why was the why was the week of the 17th rejected? >> Was I heard then Thanksgiving, but that's even the following week. >> That's the following week. Yeah, it it does not it's not um that's that date is fine as well.
>> Okay. I mean 18th is okay, but I'm just saying we should pick a day. Let's just pick a date. >> Brian, I wonder um if Ashley's still listening. Did I see her? >> Yeah. Whether Ashley, do you have any comments on the of a ballot election?
>> Hi there. Hi. >> So, um, initially I was thinking, um, December 2nd because I wanted to ensure that it was going to pass town meeting before spending funds on ballots. Um, however, there is a contingency that does allow if for some reason it didn't
pass a town meeting, we have the election and it passes. We could then have another special town meeting to ratify it. Hoping that doesn't come to that. But where that contingency does exist, I thought, okay, just to get the timeline up and get the design timeline
as robust as possible, we can bump this up and just bank on we're going to order the ballots and, you know, whether it passes at town meeting or not, we're going to have the election. So, yes, any with that in mind, any of the dates are um available. Uh Tuesday
was just a tradition. Uh typically they're held on Tuesdays. So I was just kind of staying in line with that uh tradition, but certainly we are flexible and we can do really any date that works well. >> Perspective December Thursday after
veterans day. >> Yeah, that would actually Yeah, that would work very well. I would be absolutely supportive of that. How much lead time is there for ordering of the ballots? Do you need >> uh that falls kind of in line with the
35day requirement for the language? Um so about 35 days lead time is what I need for ordering ballots. >> So we must typically do that with that exclusion anyway because we don't do we normally wait over 35 days after town meeting for >> No, but it's usually timed with the town
election. >> Oh yeah. So there's not a Okay. I think you're getting a meeting for Twitter >> because we need to we need to decide tonight on the language. Correct. >> Or the fourth. >> Oh, if it were the fourth, but we still
don't we if it were the following week, when would we have >> we still need now? We still would need to do. >> Yeah. So, we should >> we should >> we should I think we should get I think we should pick the date and get it done like like revisit everything. So >> I mean I think longer than a week, you
know, people forget, right? So >> yeah. >> So the 13th >> and anyone check out or other things going on? >> 12th or 13th, whatever. >> Um yeah, 13th that was good. I mean,
>> 13th is World Kindness Day. There we go. >> All right. >> There you go. >> There you go. Perfect. Be kind to your firefighter. Vote the station. >> Okay. So, we'll we'll do that on the 13th. And then do we want to
>> um I mean the ballot question is pretty straightforward. I think I don't >> I don't know that there's do we I think we can look at this right now. And is there >> Yeah. I think we can >> pretty boilerplate. >> There's not just there's not a quorum
for the election, right? >> It's just the majority of those who bother to vote. Correct. >> That's correct. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Yeah. And I think the the ballot language um that's in our packet, is
that um acceptable to everyone? Is there any? And I see that there's no amount. So, um, how does that work? >> So, the the ballot question is just exempting the vote that happens at town
meeting. So, town meeting sets the budget and the election exempts that debt. >> So, if town meeting doesn't pass it, what what does that do to this ballot vote? >> Well, you could still exempt debt, but
it doesn't exist. So, >> yeah. Okay. goes away. >> Okay. >> Spent money on ballots and so forth for this. >> Right. Right. And running the election. Yeah. >> Okay.
>> Well, would would we incur the cost of running the election, Ashley, if if it doesn't pass a town meeting? Are there some costs that need to be incurred? >> Yes, mainly just ordering the ballots and programming the memory cards. Um that was why I initially was thinking of
putting it off to December to ensure that. Um but we do have the option, you know, if it didn't pass at town meeting and we held the election anyways, um there is a option of holding another town meeting after the election to see if minds have changed, you know, there's
any more support for it. So if it did come down to it where it didn't pass town meeting but did pass the election, there is an option of holding another town meeting later within 90 days. >> Huh. >> Fascinating. >> Yeah.
>> And what what's the overall like when you say the the expense of ordering the ballots? What what what are we talking about? >> Um depending on the amount that we're thinking the turnout's going to be. Um, I would estimate between 1,500 and 2,000
for programming and ballot costs. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> I mean, that can't be funded out of the project, can it? Is it? >> Unfortunately, not. I mean, it's not ideal, but time like I
mean, the goal is to if it passes a town meeting to to we have a very tight timeline to try to get what we want to get accomplished for, >> right, >> for the spring. And so, it's not ideal if if it doesn't pass, but I think it's it's
worth the um the added time to waiting till December just seems too long. >> Well, let's go through. So if it passes, >> to your point, Travis, if it pass, I mean, sorry, Scott, if it passes, >> you want to get the vote done quickly so
people can they can move forward, right? >> Yes. >> If it fails, I just want to go back to what Ashley said. If it fails and we don't have, let's say we it fails and we don't have a town election, then it waits till another cycle. That's the end of that, right?
>> Yeah. But if it fails, but we've got an election and people go to the ballot box and they vote yes. Are you saying that that somehow catalyzes a possibility of a >> doover?
>> And is that a majority or a twothirds? >> That would be a simple majority on the election. >> Okay. So that sounds like a decent insurance policy anyway, right? Yeah, with the >> unusual circumstance.
>> Yeah. Pass town meeting and then it people said, "Oh, really want it." >> I mean, we've had the other way, right, where it passes town meeting, >> right? >> And it fails at the ballot box because the people who don't like it didn't bother to show it to town meeting, but >> they went to vote. Um,
>> anyway, it's an intriguing I never thought about that, but that I don't know. It sounds to me like it makes sense to have to go ahead and book the election and have it regardless and you know then see where things are. >> Yeah. And I think we should feel I think
our attitude attitude should be positive and that we're expecting this to pass at town meeting and we want to make sure >> right >> then we have the override vote um as soon as possible. So >> not really an override but yes. So, so
we thinking the 13th or the 12th? 13th. Is that >> November 13th? >> That's Thursday, correct? >> Thursday. >> Yeah. >> And then the question tonight is, do we move the the text in the election the proposed motion?
>> Yeah. >> Which I think >> I think so. I'm I'm happy to move the move to approve the ballot question below subject to review by town council. Um, do I need to read the ballot question itself
for the motion? >> I think you just say it's printed in the packet. >> As printed in the packet. >> I second that. >> Okay. Any discussion? Seeing none, we'll do a roll call vote. >> I'm sorry. Hold on a second. I'm sorry.
Can you just amend, Barney, please? The the motion to place it on the November 13th special town election ballot. >> Okay. Um, I move to approve the ballot question below as written in uh the as
written in the in tonight's packet uh subject to review by town council and to be placed on uh the ballot on Thursday uh November 14th >> 13th >> November 13th
>> 2025 >> 2025 >> Thank I I second. >> Any discussion? We'll do a roll call. >> Arnold I. >> Modell I. >> Snell I. >> Stevens I.
>> Triola I. >> Okay, great. >> To explain that TDM to the board. All of these votes get documented and sent to bond council and we have to borrow and if they're not accurate, we have to go back and do them. So that's why we're
trying to be correct. And was that adequate? Okay, great. >> Okay, great. All right, let's um let's move on to the next uh agenda item, which is the uh school committee 2025
goals and update. And again, as I mentioned at the outset of the meeting, um the update and discussion on anti-discrimination efforts will be moved um to our next meeting on October 7th. So, Brian has made it in the room. Welcome. Um,
>> good evening everyone. >> To you. I know I know you the school committee has has met at least once since the school year, uh, reconvene. So, um, take it away. >> Okay, happy to do so. And I just want to make sure, um, can I share my screen to
run through some slides? It says, um, I need permission. >> Ryan can do that. All set. >> Wonderful. We'll cue this up. Uh, all right. Uh, so tonight what I just want to give everybody an update on
are some of the happenings as it relates to both the Carile School Committee as well as the conquered Carlo school committee. Um, I know you all know who I am, but just for the benefit of my roles this year. I am the chair in Carile and the vice chair in conquered Carile. Um,
and I do just want to say, you know, as we kick off, uh, another school year, um, both districts are just very fortunate to not only have wonderful, uh, educators, wonderful administration, but of course, uh, two great superintendents in Jim O'Shea and Lori
Hunter. Um, and I just wanted to, uh, acknowledge that uh, as we go into this meeting. Um, so, uh, we are moving the, uh, DEIB and anti-hate updates, uh, to a later meeting. Uh, for tonight, I just wanted
to touch on school committee goals in both districts. Um, I'm not going to go through everything thoroughly. You can read about that in the mosquito, but just um, some of the things that we're going to be working on that I think the select board uh, would be most interested in uh, and opportunities for
collaboration. And then it's very early in the budget season. Uh but I did just want to provide a few updates as it relates uh to the budget process in both districts. Uh so the Carlile school committee uh
has six overarching goals uh this year. Um the first elevate visibility and understanding of student achievement. Uh this is very much around, you know, looking at assessment data, looking at data that comes out of the youth risk
behavior survey. Um of course getting updates on special education. Uh but I did want to let the select board know that just like we did last year uh we will be looking to coordinate a tour of the school uh while school is in session
uh so that uh members of select board fincom um we do have some new school committee members uh can really just see um see Carlilele in action. Um, you know, I think a lot of us go into the auditorium for the likes of town meeting, maybe into the cafeteria. Um,
but just really understand uh how the space is used and some of the unique things that are happening there. We're also looking to deepen school and community partnerships. Uh, so I'll talk about some of this in my next um my next update. Um just in terms of work that
we're looking to do uh not only with conquered um but also with the carile belonging collective the belonging collective is what we call the PTO CPAC um Carile Education Fund WBYC and the um
DEICAC that sort of all of those different groups uh working together um and you know the school committee um you know wants to make sure that all of those groups are working together and we are working on initiatives related to DEI across the community. Um, and this
year we do have a new um, president of the Carile Teachers Association. Uh, and David Zuckermanman is really interested in partnering um, along with the PTO and just communitywide events that get the teachers uh, more involved u so that all
members of the community have a chance to to get to know them. Uh, of course the budget is always a a big one. Um and I will talk more about the budget uh in just a little bit but handinhand with going through the actual budget process um similar to how conquered Carile
reports on the budget um we are looking to align by the desi 1000 codes in Carlile so that when we're giving our presentations you're hearing similar information from both districts what the desi 1000 codes mean um they break everything sort of their part of account
uh the parent level being 1,000 so a th00and administration costs 2,000 teaching costs 4,000 maintenance costs. Um, and so that way it will help everybody just see trends um between the two districts. Uh, also, and this is coming from feedback uh that we received
at town meeting, I know in the leadup to town meeting previously, the school um probably did a better job of telling the story of the school in the leadup to town meeting. Um, and we're going to make sure to focus some effort um on that um ahead of the spring town
meeting. This one probably impacts the select board the most. Um, further collaboration with town government. Um, definitely making sure that we continue the conversations as it relates to facilities. Uh, as it relates to shared HR and just like we did last year, we
would love to have a couple joint meetings with the select board uh, over the course of the year. Uh this next one set a clear strategic direction through FY2030 that addresses enrollment shifts, staffing and facility needs. Um every 3 years the school needs
to put together a strategic plan um that gets submitted to um the department of uh educ um elementary and secondary education. Uh so that is on the docket for this year. Um but as we are also looking at the potential for a new
administration model um perhaps not having the two principal model going forward as we also think about the potential enrollment impacts as it relates to MVTA zoning um and just I think increased enrollment in general as
we start to see more and more um houses turn over um in this town. um we felt that this would be a good year to just really think about um the needs of the district and where we see the district going um between now
um and 2030. And then um lastly um we will be working on governance as we always do uh reviewing policies. Um, I think this year the interesting policies besides just reviewing the normal ones would be a cell phone policy. Um,
whether that's something we take up on our own or it's sort of uh brought upon us by um by the Commonwealth. um also potentially an AI uh policy and looking um to um handinhand with this have a mentoring
program for new school committee members um and making sure that they're getting the support that they need um in in their first year or two uh of service. Um I'm going to continue on I think to the regional goals and then maybe I can pause there for questions and then we
can talk about the budget. Um, as we move over to the regional goals, one thing I just um I did fail to mention for Carlile is we also been thinking more and more about where are there regionalization opportunities? And I want to emphasize that that's
lowercase R. I'm not saying a a K to2 regional school district, but are there opportunities? Whether it be special education services, whether it be um buses, um those are, you know, a couple examples, but and whether it's conquered
or with other towns um that are surrounding Carlile, are there opportunities where we can share certain services um in order to have uh you know, in order to positively impact um the budget? Um I'll just move on to the region.
These are sort of um sort of higher level goals. Um it is a very new school committee uh at the region. Three people um out of the seven are in their first year. Uh so we wanted to be a little bit more conservative uh with our goals. Uh we do have a budget
goal again ensure transparent, collaborative, and fiscally responsible budgeting that aligns with district priorities and earns public support. Uh something that we're piloting um this month and next month are budget workshops for the school committee. Uh so the new members had their first
workshop in September and we will all have another workshop um as part of our meeting uh in early October just to make sure that everybody understands the basics and speaking the same language, you know, understanding the nuances of
things like circuit breaker funding. um so that we can be uh as informed as possible when we are talking about uh the budget process um with our communities. Um and then handinhand with this working with the bincom in both
conquered and carile um you know to to work through a FY27 budget that meets um that meets guidelines. Uh communication and community engagement. Uh this is something that the region has gotten a lot of feedback on recently and looking at how we can
not only get the the message out about what's happening at the school uh but to have um more dialogue um with members of the communities. Uh we've tried coffees uh over the past few years. Unfortunately, they're they're poorly attended generally. um we will take
another stab at that, but we're also just thinking about communication in general um and how to get that messaging out. Uh policy of course is something that we're that we're always uh looking on looking at and we will be reviewing um
our policies um particularly with a lens of equity, inclusion, uh safety um and anti-semitism and hate will be um some of the things that we are thinking about um as we're reviewing um our policies.
And then our last one is related to the superintendent evaluation and student outcomes. The region's a little different than Carlile. In Carlile, we evaluate Jim on an annual basis. At the region, Lori gets evaluated every other year. So, she was evaluated at the end
of the last school year. Um, but we will be working with her um to change the way that she reports on her goals and making sure that we're getting quarterly updates on on goal work and um the evidence that goes uh along with it. Uh just because as we all know with our
goals uh a year goes by quickly. So I know I ran through that quickly, but those are the things that both districts are focusing on in terms of goals. Uh Scott, do you want to take a moment for questions on those or should we run through the budget piece and then just have a broad
>> Yeah, let's budget piece. >> Okay, >> don't mind. >> Sounds good. Just bear with me as I swap over my notes. >> And Brian, do you think um copies of this could be sent to the select board
uh afterwards? >> Definitely. Um, yes, I actually meant to do that and then I was breaking the presentation up into two and >> nope. >> Work suddenly got in the way. >> Yeah. >> Um,
okay. Uh, so just in terms of CPS, um, in terms of the timeline, um, really in both districts, the budget process begins around now or in early um, October. Um and so Jim will be working with um the elementary school principal
and the new director of student support services as well as the business consultant and he will do the first sort of collecting of data. Um and then um I will start to meet with him and you know begin to understand what the numbers
look like in October. in on o in our meeting on October 15th. Um the school committee will also review fees for the upcoming year. Uh I don't know how how familiar you all are still with this. Uh but there are four key
areas where the school district charges fees. Um this is a way of essentially um you know bringing in funds without having to it all to fall on the the budget that goes to the town. and it does bring in about a4 million dollars
each year. Um those fees are for preschool both half day and full day at the um integrated preschool which has up to 15 students a year. It is a kindergarten fee. Um we are one of the few communities that in around us that
are charging for that half day kindergarten. It's nearly 100% of students who are um who are doing full day kindergarten. Um, but for this current year, that is a $2,500 fee that gets passed along to families. Uh, we
still have the seventh and eighth grade bus fee, um, which is $425. And then we have, um, fees for participating in sports. Um, and I I call this out just because it is the desire of the school committee. Um
especially with certain fees like kindergarten and I would say the bus fee is the the next one or equal to. Um we would like to see us eventually be able to reduce these. We're conscious that we have residents in town that pay uh a
substantial amount in property taxes and then to need to layer on the bus fee and the kindergarten fee. um we would like to we would like to ultimately uh reduce that but we have not been in a position to do so. Um so we will um be looking at
that um in October in the November 12th will be the first budget presentation to the full school committee. The December 10th will be our budget hearing and then we expect the school committee vote to be January 14th. As a reminder, um we
the school committee meets on a on a monthly basis. And hopefully we don't need to shift things um out by a month, but this is what Jim and I feel confident with at this point. Um some things that I do just want to mention. Um, we don't I don't have too
much in terms of leading indicators for the Carlilele budget except uh as a reminder for the FY26 budget. We did take an additional 250K that we had in those student revolving funds for those fees that I just mentioned um and
applied those to to FY26. Um we are not going to have similar funds available for for FY27. So we won't have that offset uh again this year. And at this point, we don't really have a an update in terms of out
of district. We have five students that are out of district this year in Carlile um across fifth, sixth, seventh, and eighth grade. Um we would expect at this point that the the number would be um consistent uh for the following year,
but again uh it's just too soon uh to tell at this point. Uh turning to the high school. Um on October 1st, uh this is when we look at the enrollment between Conquered and Carlile and we set the assessment for uh
the following year. And I'll talk about that uh in just a moment, but we will know that uh number officially next week. Uh November 5th, the assistant superintendent, Bob Conry, uh will be presenting a draft capital plan to the
school committee. Uh December 17th is when the budget will be presented. January 7th is the hearing and then the school committee vote is expected on the 4th of February. Uh in terms of drivers, um I just
mentioned that assessment based on preliminary numbers from last week. Um this district is forecasting that Carile's uh share of the enrollment is going to go up by uh about 2%. So uh
this current year um the assessment was 23.3%. Uh the year before 23 a.5%. Uh next year um it's so the enrollment this year which impacts the FY27 budget um Carlile
is 25.6. 16%. And so just to put that into context, if we took this year's budget um and applied the the assessment um it would actually mean a $637,000
increase um to Carlile um that's based off of this year's budget, but I bring it up now um and I've mentioned it to um James Catashio as well as our liaison um on FINCOM um you know just a heads up
that the assessment is going to be higher for Carlile next year. It then drops back down the following year based on the forecast and then it kind of goes up down by smaller amounts um for the the next few years after that.
Um so while that is some bad news um some of the positive news is that the debt service uh will decrease. Um the high school is forecasting lower out of district tuition because of the number
of seniors um who are out of district this year who will be um who will be leaving the district. And also there will be an increase in non-resident uh tuition um
especially as um as towns are tuitioning in for um some of the wonderful special ed programs uh that that conquered across all elementary, middle, and high school levels um have available.
My final slide and then I'll take uh questions. uh the amenities building. Um I gave all of you a brief update I think in August. Um as you know, Conquer did not approve the borrowing in the special election. Um so in terms of next steps
um we are looking at community preservation funds from both communities um we needed to move quickly because even though conquer town meeting isn't until April their deadline for um community preservation applications uh
was last Friday. Uh so we hurried up and and got that submitted. We put it in for um what we would consider to be the full amount for for conquered and um it's obviously too soon for feedback. On the
Carile side um we will work on that. Obviously Carile supported it uh last year um in the town meeting and we are quite grateful uh for that. Um but unfortunately it does look like we'll have to um go back and and talk to the
community uh once again as it relates to this project. Um I've continued to have conversations at the state level. Unfortunately, there are just no um other sources of funding that have been identified at this point. Uh but we are also turning our attention to uh
foundations um and looking to see if there are any foundations in Massachusetts. uh we have a list of about 40 uh that we're working through to see if any of their missions um align with this and if that might be a you know if we might find some um
opportunities there as well. So um that's the that's the current will be amenities building >> Brian CCPA request to conquer >> uh so they requested
1.4 million Um and you know the feedback from the residents a lot of residents in conquered is they knew that conquered had this money available in um in CPA and so the preference was rather than
borrowing to um to go that route. So I do think that you know assuming their um their committee you know approves the application or approves a portion of the application I do think that will be successful um in conquered town meeting.
Um the good news is this year it's back to normal. Conquered goes first. So when it comes to town meeting so we should know uh exactly what's happening uh down the road. >> Good. Thanks.
>> But from a just to underscore from a budget standpoint, our second big second biggest line item before anything happens is going to see a basically an 8% increase over last year. So, um that's going to be a challenge um that
we're going to have to work through in the budgeting process and we're going have to work through the regional school committee as well um just to see what what influence we can continue to have on on their budget and their planning. I think historically it's still I mean
con contextually I I think this we're still even at the higher rate we've been at a generally a lower rate recently so we've been benefiting from a a lower allocation in general. So you know it it'll be interesting to model this out though and see if this is truly a
one-year blip and we have confidence in that that informs maybe a different strategy to manage manage it versus if this is going to be a continual um allocation increase. >> Yeah. And I can say that Bob Conry modeled it out for about the next five years. Um >> yeah,
>> and I can I can share um those numbers. Um he was he did also point out that in his last district that which was a regional district that he worked in, the assessment was based on a sort of >> four or fiveyear average. um you know at
some point we may consider whether we want to relook at that um agreement but that's not something that we get done um for next year just to be clear >> right >> yeah I would say we we've looked at that before it's generally brought up by conquered when they feel that that
smoothing will benefit them and rejected by Carlile for that reason but I mean broadly speaking anything that's under 25% which it is presently under 20% % is historically low, you know, by our
standards. And fair is fair. I mean, I nobody wants to pay more than they need to, but um I would make a pitch for the region here that for a town the size of Carlile to have the quality of secondary
education that it gets through the regional agreement at its tiny population is a bargain. I mean, if we with our 300 students in the high school or whatever had to build a high school, it'd be like crazy
expensive. Just crazy expensive. So, it's a good deal. And the other thing I I would say is um that uh um Oh, that's enough. I think that's enough about that. I I I I Oh, one more
thing to say. Sorry. is that I've run this analysis many years. If you look at the kindergarten through eight cohorts, you get a pretty good proxy of the next 12 years of assessment or next eight years. I guess you don't need like a lot
of fancy math. Some kids go to private school, they come back, some don't. But in aggregate, if you just look at the census over the K through8 populations of the two towns, you can model the future assessment ratios pretty accurately, like 90%. So,
>> yeah, for sure. >> So, as long as I'm still talking, I'll I'll reflect. So, first of all, Brian, I was given some wise advice some many years ago. Don't share the CPS and be on the region, which you clearly didn't
take. So, God bless you. >> Um Sarah Wilson gave me that uh advice a year ago and >> I uh I was like, "Oh, you know what? Let's give it a go." And uh >> Okay. Well, good for you. >> We'll see. Yeah, this might be a one-time thing. So just to hit on a
couple things that you mentioned, I think the idea that school committee members whether they're regional or Carlo to get education on the budget is a great thing because collectively uh schools is you know almost twothirds of the budget and so
knowledge of finance, knowledge of budgeting process, I can't emphasize enough that you know any training and anything we can do or the thing can do or I'll speak for Ryan and Kelly and and Sandy and you know, anything we can do
to help you uh understand that and and get your people, you know, you're a pretty budget savvy guy, but get everybody up to speed is well worth it because everybody needs to understand not only the budgeting process itself, but how the school budget fits into the
overall, you know, budget. So, that'd be my pitch there. Secondly um on the budget again a process that has worked well in the past is to engage the liaison the select board liaison and the
income liaison early that is to say prior to you know in the in the in the making of the budget not necessarily the presentation of the budget. So who is to this year the select board liaison? >> Scott.
>> Yeah I'm the leazison. Okay, there you go. You have a perfect candidate, a guy that well knows it. I just think it would be great if your process enabled early, you know, early meetings with Scott and whoever the thing guy is um
to, you know, understand it and guide you and give you some guidance before it's socialized because once it once it goes to the broader community that is the school community, the school committee and then beyond that, you know, it's more difficult to uh to shape
those arguments. Um the third thing I want to mention is um your comment on regionalization and I wholeheartedly agree and I think we you know we're very focused on regionalization with a capital R which is the high school. So that's kind of
taken care of itself. But I've long advocated for little R regional regionalization at the middle school level and particularly sped where as we and it's it's kind of a reflection on the current debate which is about
autism and spectrum stuff. You know that's happening at the national level. as we've gotten more precise in our evaluation and remediation or uh for various learning disabilities,
we become more with a finer kind of lens. We found that students need specific remediation and it's the curse of the small scale that Carile has where you may have one student that has a specific condition
where we can't afford or justify a dedicated resource to address that and therefore we get pushed to an out of district solution because we can't do it. But if we could leverage that into car conquered and you know we could do westward anywhere else
but we're close to conquered and our kids will go to the conquered high school so it makes perfect sense to say conquer's three times Carlile why don't we cluster those and see if we can do something and I've been frustrated in my time in the school committee that there
wasn't an easy mechanism to um take a car kid and push him or her into a Carlile group, a conquered sorry conquered group that's already provisioned for that at some cost. You know, it would be way cheaper. So, I
really I believe that firmly like emotionally, but also from a financial standpoint. So, I want to make that >> and I will say that last academic year we did have our first student um tuition in um to conquered um and it is >> something that both superintendents are
interested >> interested in doing more where where it's the right fit. It's not always the right fit, but um especially knowing that there's then a >> an increased likelihood again if it's still the right fit that they are in district once they get to high school because once you go out of district in
elementary or middle school, >> it's probably staying out of district, >> right? So, so I I'm glad you say that and again just from my personal standpoint, but also from the fiduciary of the select board, I I I completely agree that that's a great place to start
on that little R regionalization. So, thank you. >> Yep. >> David, uh, we're running short on time. Does >> Okay, I'm done. I'm done. Thank you. >> Any any, uh, >> quick comments or questions for Brian? And I think Brian will be joining us again at our next meeting. Um, on the
other topic. Um, but last chance for some quick questions or of course you can always send them to me or Brian directly. Um, we'll be we'll be talking a lot in the in the coming weeks. >> Brian, who's the FINCOM leazison?
For Carile, it's um Aaron. >> Okay. >> And then for the high school, it is Victor. >> Yeah. I would to underscore David's point about getting making sure FinCom um is definitely engaged as well in the budget process before it's presented. Um
because I I don't know that that's been happening as as it used to. And I think it's helpful. >> Great. >> Thank you, Brian. I appreciate you coming in today. >> Thank you. Thanks, Brian. >> Have a good night. Bye. Bye. >> All right. Thank you. >> Thank you, Brian.
>> Okay. 9:15. We're running a little bit late, but let's get to the trust fund working group. Uh Christine had provided the the uh both the draft charter for approval tonight and also um the list of appointments to populate the committee.
So, in in order of sequence, why don't we start with um the charter itself? Um, and then we can once that's approved, we can move to the appointment of the committee. >> Yeah, absolutely. I'm gonna go ahead and share my screen.
>> Sure. Are do you have that? Good. >> Okay. Can everyone see my screen? >> Yep. >> Okay. So, um, just want to emphasize again, I welcome and encourage all your comments, questions, suggestions, edits.
Um, so you know what, um, you see here is truly a draft. No, uh, no pride of authorship here because I pretty much took what Gretchen told me over the course of two lengthy conversations and um, you know, repeated it as most
faithfully as I could. So the purpose of this trust fund town trust fund administration working group you know the short form being trust fund working group is to establish the processes and policies um you know needed for you know I think
an effective lawful and equitable allocation of the trust funds um and it's you know specifically meant to carry out this scope of work these four points um so big emphasis on
having written policies and procedures. Um everything very transparent. Um you know ensuring all the actions comply with the terms of not only the individual trusts you know with the original bequest but then also any um
you know pertinent Massachusetts general laws. And here we're most specifically targeting open meeting law. Um and you know so we have this delicate balance. We want to be fully transparent but at the same time we do want to safeguard the confidentiality of any applicants.
Um so we need to work out a process that um duly considers both and then we do also want to have uh oversight and guidance to ensure the funds are administered in a manner that's transparent, accountable and consistent.
I think those three things are all very important to the purpose of this working group. So that's with that as kind of the statement of work. I did want to go through uh the membership itself. Uh before I do any questions on any of
that, the scope of work, the purpose? >> No. And again for context, this is the committee that this isn't the committee that would be allocating the funds. This is the committee to outline all the processes by which that committee would operate. >> Correct. Yes. I'm sorry. I guess I should.
>> No, no, no. I just want to make sure we're all It can get confusing what we're what we're approving or reviewing, but Yeah. >> Right. That's right. So, we're just framing the processes, not actually making allocations. The composition of
this working group will be six members total. So, we're going to have five voting members. Um there is whoever the select board of points, which at the moment is me. And then there's going to be four community members. We'll go through that membership list in just a moment. And then one member uh from the
COA and the uh uh so the director of the COA is a non- voting member and then the term of office is not defined. It's just simply whenever the working group uh delivers a an approved administrative
plan. Um so whenever that is approved if they if the select board does not approve what this working group comes up with then it's back to the drawing board and the term continues. Uh if any vacancies do pop up we're going to appoint a replacement
and then you know I take very seriously the guiding principles uh for this working group. We're you know going to be very faithful to equity, integrity, confidentiality and compliance. So, um, like again, that that balance of
being confidential and respectful of all information while at the same time being fully transparent, um, with Massachusetts general law and especially the open meeting law and accountability. We're going to have regular reports out to the select board
um, during our liaison reporting period. And then also um you know any meetings will be uh held in accordance with open meeting law and um all public records you know um everything that's you know
documented and out there uh for in the public domain. So that is the charter. Any edits that I should consider there? >> No, I mean I I support the charter. I mean, I I'm kind of eager to get this process, as I know you are, Christine,
get it underway and and um put these funds to use. >> Can you Christine, can you clarify something for me? So, we've got the COHS rep, so I presume because some of the funds under your purview are
in that area. What I forgot what is the do you have authority over scholarship trust funds >> or some of them >> the debrief that Gretchen gave me said that there there are some scholarships
but the vast majority of them are for people in financial aid. >> Okay. >> So >> so the school committee would not have an exeicio rep or anything. >> They wouldn't be part of this in your your mind. So, uh, Gretchen s strongly
suggested that we include the director of the COA apparently, >> right? >> Yeah. >> Right. Subscript, not just because of what they represent, but because apparently they do have special uh subscription resources that tells them, you know, who has state aid, who
qualifies at the state level as being in financial need. that there are certain resources out there where you know um applicants may already be in a system and the director will have um >> yeah I think that's a good idea my my question is more does school committee
have some uh you know say in the matter are those funds at the moment not in your chart saying yes to the latter >> uh there are some scholarship funds but that is the vast majority of the funds
Okay. All right. That's fine. I just Thank you. Okay. >> And even those in, if I recall, are not necessarily um in like K through in primary education or even high school education. So, they probably wouldn't probably be more
collegebased. And >> well, that's that's not really relevant, Scott. think it's it's more there are pots of money some of which have let lain for decades >> I would say because we don't understand
the rules around which we can distribute them uh and then there are a few that are active where every year I think the school committee you know awards some scholarships and so forth so we don't want to reinvent the wheel on the latter category but >> I just want to make sure the charter
either grabs those the the intention regardless of how we word it. The intention from my viewpoint is to gather up all the little funds that sit around and figure out what the rules are, figure out how to disperse them, you know, put some order into it and, you
know, if if possible, maybe even consolidate some of them so we don't have so many funds with like $300 or 300 pound sterling from, you know, pre-revolutionary or whatever it is. >> Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Yeah, there may be some opportunity for collaboration or
consolidation on some, >> right? So, I just want to make sure that the uh charter, you know, encapsulates that. I don't want to re I don't want to step on school committee's toes where things are working fine. Let's just make sure the things that are in no man's land are captured. That's fine. If you're happy
with that, I'm happy. >> Yep. >> Okay. Thank you, >> Christine. I think you've done a good job on getting this working group going and uh also the I think your description of what the group is going to do makes a
lot of sense. So I'm very supportive. Tiny little thing, but I and you don't have your charter up here, but just it says something like our goal is to ensure consistency and transparence and you just it should be transparency.
>> Oh yes. Yes. Okay. I love it. Barney, you do a great job. You catch those things. It's great. >> Um, >> I'm supportive too, Christine. I think you did a nice job putting this together. >> Oh, thank you very much. Yeah, there it
is. Look at you, Barney. Okay. Okay. One one question I have and I don't know Christina for she for you or for a future meeting is I would expect once the committee to to commit the funds is in place that that committee will probably have some kind of like we
should probably define the list of funds that they are dispersing because I'm I'm guessing over time new funds will be added or um we probably want to be specific about exactly what funds are are under the purview of
of the ultimate committee versus not because I I imagine it's it's not as straightforward as as we would like to think in in a few cases and having documentation of that I think will be important and if new if new things come in new funds are created by donations
then we can always make the conscious decision to add it to the list or or not for whatever reason but seems like we want to create that at some point whether that's Gretchen or or your committee. Okay. Yeah, we will certainly
>> um I've had a summary so far handed to me. Uh it looks like just, you know, in rough numbers there's about 200k sitting ready to be dispersed. So, you know, a substantial amount that can benefit a lot of people. >> Um so, but I don't have a uh you know,
we've not done an inventory. So, yeah, we'll that would be you know, task number one. Um, good ad there. >> And again, I don't I'm not re I'm not saying this needs to be part of this charter, but I think when when you start dispersing funds, having at least
something that codifies which funds fall under this committee or the future committee will be important, >> right? Okay. I will definitely add that in. Okay.
>> That could be a legal question. I'm not sure where that lives but >> right >> great. Does someone want to >> and then if that's it for the charter and I'm asking anything else on the charter? >> No. Okay. Let's >> let me take a motion before we move on
to the appointees. Let's take a motion on the charter and get that formalized. >> I move to approve the trust fund working group charter as presented u in our packet. Um,
can I do them both or do you want to do one at a time? >> Let's just do the trust fund charter first. >> Okay. >> And as amended tonight, because we made a few changes, >> correct? Right. Okay. As amended tonight.
>> Is there a second? >> Christina, have you kept I'll second. Christine, have you captured all those changes? >> I did. I did capture those. Yeah. And so I just wanted to make sure I'm super clear. I'll incorporate those into the document and then I'll send those back
out uh for I don't know final review or is it just it's done. >> I think it's done. >> Okay. >> We're saying >> if we voted it >> as amended tonight >> as amended. Got it. Okay. Very good.
>> Okay. We have a motion and a second. Any further discussion? Seeing none, we'll do a roll call vote. >> Arnold I. Modell. >> Snell. I >> Stevens I
>> Triola I Great. Now that we have a >> a charter >> a charter, let's move on to appointing. Um, so we have a list in our packet of of appointees. And Christine, you want to speak to those? >> Yeah, absolutely. Um,
so we did place an ad in the mosquito or ran a notice. Um and we had one volunteer and then I did reach out across several um you know neighborhoods and looked for what I'm
looking for is a cognitive diversity of you know of towns people who bring different backgrounds and come from all walks of life. So, our volunteers are uh Jane Coleman Williams.
Um, and Jane has the distinction of having been named most honored citizen in 2024. She's a retired school psychologist and was the Carile COA director from 2005 to 2006. Uh, she has
served on old home day scholarship committee and the garden club scholarship committee. Um and so over the years in both professional and volunteer capacity, she's worked on a number of um you know developing
policies and procedures. So I think she's going to be a great addition to the um to the working group. Moren Hoda uh was recommended by somebody else in town. She has lived in Carile for 11
years. She's a patent attorney and um her background is in um well a number of different u medical um expertise but she she just brings an informed perspective.
She is part of the CPS uh DEI community advisory council. Um she has worked on carile race amity day uh every year since 2019 and she has organized a carile specific fundraiser for doctors
without borders work in Gaza. Um and then she has also been active in the conquered carile foundation allocations committee. So she has relevant volunteer experience here in town and um and you just an excellent uh professional
background as well. And then the um uh remaining two members, Ed Heield is um uh former financial professional financial planner um and you know retired in that
capacity. Um so he brings you know a number of decades of experience with financial planning. Uh Wendy Gilden is in um uh the finance department over at Emerson Hospital. Um, and again, I think that, you know, she she's someone who
always has good ideas. She speaks up at meetings. She's she's gonna she was in the friends of the library, which is how I knew her. Uh, and just always has a really practical point of view and sort of a, you know, let's dig in and roll up our sleeves kind of mentality. So, I
think this is a really um great group of volunteers. They have uh very diverse backgrounds and I think um they've all been very active in our community. So, I think they're really going to care. They've got a long-term vested interest um in Carlilele. So, I think uh this is
a really good group of people. Honored to be um helping spearhead their efforts. >> Thank you for finding them all. That's not a small task. Um quick question. And I'm assuming that they did they submit
through the system like do we >> uh you know they provided their backgrounds or addresses and whatnot but they have not filled out forms. We could certainly go do that as sort of a >> I don't know that we need to do that but um it would probably be good to I don't know I'll defer to to Gretchen on that.
Um and I assume they're residents and all that stuff but okay >> they are all residents in fact long-term residents in most cases. Okay. >> And the only thing I note here, Christine, is that um the motion in the
packet, we just want to uh make the distinction that um it says the following voting members, but to you know, separate out or note that Jeffrey Katowski as the COHS director would be a non- voting member. >> Correct. Yeah. the charter that um that
I the you know I I sent it out and then uh Gretchen said, "Oh, oh, you know, one quick correction on that." And I resent it almost immediately. >> Um but yeah, the COA director is a working group member, but he is participating as a non- voting member.
>> Let's we'll um when we do the motion, we'll just we'll just make that amendment that >> Yeah. >> Jeffrey Katowski is a non- voting member. And then I I believe it's it should be Esther Brookbrook Road instead of Eastbrook. >> That's correct. Esther Brook. >> So that would be the second edit for the
record. Amendment for the record. Great. Does anyone any more comment on this? Does that someone want to make a motion? I move to appoint the following uh as voting members of the trust fund working group with a term to end at completion
of the report. Jane Coleman Williams Maple Street, Ed Heield, Rogers Road, Wendy Gilden, Esther Brook Road, Moren Hoda, Oaknull Road, and Christine
Stevens as the select board representative. In addition, Jeffrey Katowski, the COS director, would be a member of the working group as he would be a non- voting member of the working group.
>> Is there a second? >> I'll second that. >> Any further discussion? >> Did Did we already appoint Christine prior or we haven't appointed anybody? >> No, this is this is new. So, >> okay. All right. Great.
>> All right. Let's do a roll call. >> Arnold I. >> Modell I. >> Snell I. >> Stevens I. >> Triola I. >> Excellent. Congratulations. >> Great. >> Thank you Christine. >> Yeah. Thank you.
>> Oh, absolutely. My pleasure. >> Thank you to the uh the new committee members who are the working group members who have stepped forward on this one. We appreciate it. All right. Moving ahead. Alcohol. They all have to be um what's the right word?
>> Sworn in. >> Sworn in. Thank you. >> Yeah. >> All right. On to alcohol alcohol permit applications. What do we got? Ryan, you still out there? There he is.
>> Sure am. I like everyone's online energy tonight. This is great. The the alcohol licenses in front of you are pretty straightforward. They have been reviewed by Gretchen who is our alcoholar and also by uh the chief as is required. So
they are for your approval as presented. >> Great. Okay. Any questions or comments? I'll entertain a motion. If none, >> I move. Do we Do we need to do them one
at a time? Probably do because they're different, huh? >> Yes, please. I move pursuant to Mass General Law Chapter 138 section 14 to approve the application submitted by Deepachungi of the Conquered Carlile Foundation for the issuance of a one-day
special license to sell beer and wine at an event to be held on October 4th, 2025 during the hours of 11:00 a.m. through 3:00 p.m. at 2011 Bedford Road, Carile, Mass, Clark Farm Market. Second
>> discussion. >> Seeing none, let's do a roll call vote. >> Arnold I. >> Modell I. >> Snell I. >> Stevens I. >> Triola I. And I move pursuant to Mass
General Law Chapter 138 section 14 to approve the application submitted by Lori Cameron Eckler of the First Religious Society of Carlile for the issuance of a one-day special license to sell beer at an event to be held on October 28th, 2025 during the hours of
400 PM through 7 p.m. at 27 School Street, Carile, Mass, the First Religious Society Union Hall and Courtyard. Second >> discussion. Seeing none, we'll do another roll call.
>> Arnold, I >> Stevens I. >> I. Great. All right, we are to the town administrator report. Take it away, Ryan. Bring that online energy. >> Good evening, everyone. Here is my town
administrator report for September 9th, 2025. I held a coffee hour today at Clark Farm Market. This was to anticipate the November 2nd special town meeting and to hear any comments folks had. I also have another um coffee hour
at Clark Clark Market scheduled for October 14th. Today's topics included discussion about the community center and how to continue to advocate for a community center or a senior space in town. Also, there's been um there was
one person who came today, but it's been a lot of talk lately about Eversource's work in town, especially on Topet Road and some of the trees that have been downed around town. So, we are working with our liaison and and advocating for those projects, but it can be difficult
to work with Eversource and get information because they are working throughout the county. And then um the last topic was parking and um continued continued grievance at the Woodward property and working with the various
boards and committees on on those processes. So the no parking signs for the S-curve on Maple Street is something that was referred to the safety committee but may come up to you in the future. So those were the topics today in a very spirited and robust coffee
hour for human resources reports and appointments. I have appointed since your last meeting James Mastio Giovani as sergeant. You saw him pinned at your last meeting. Melissa Danish, our uh new assistant town clerk, and Sam Fischer,
driver laborer for the Carile DPW. Melissa Danish accepted our offer to become the new assistant town clerk beginning October 6. She's attorney and current select board member in Andover, where she served as chair, and she has a tremendous amount of experience that's necessary for a town clerk's office. She
has a detailed and thoughtful approach to municipal government and brings u muchneeded election experience to the position. She'll also be serving as the assistant to the historical commission, which is necessary um and and very much wanted by that board. And we also plan
on using that position, and this is all budget neutral, to help other boards, what we call orphan boards, those who do not have dedicated staff, to catch up on minutes and do administrative tasks. So, this is going to be a very important position for the town. We're excited to have someone as experienced as Melissa.
adding Sam to our DVW driver labor force. He has experience in landscape construction, truck and equipment operation, and snow plowing, so he'll be immediate asset. And um an update for you on the finance and HR assistant role that was recently
vacated. We are conducting interviews next week, six. We drew 17 applications and decided to interview six to show you the quality of the candidates. We hope to have someone available for appointment if not at your next meeting, the meeting after. And we continue to uh
to go through the processes for our police officer position and we will update you at your next meeting on where we are with that. For department updates and information, Megan did a great job working through the open space and recreation plan that we referenced last time. worked directly with the state and
got a three-year extension on that 10-year planning cycle, which affords her and the conservation commission a couple years here to get the next open space and recreation plan going in addition to finishing uh the recommendations from the last report. At
your last meeting, you heard from uh a resident on Ottabong Lane and authorized an engineering study. That work has begun. We've handed over all the data that we had. The engineers have met with the with the resident and with Jim Hall and we hope to have some findings for
you at an upcoming meeting about that engineering study which can help you inform that decision. The town clock repair is is underway. We don't have a definitive timeline for when it'll be fixed, but we we hope it's soon so that people can hear the traditional chimes.
I've had several requests come about when your annual town meeting date might be coming and um going to continue to recommend to the board that we set these dates as early as possible. I am telling people that um I'm trying to get this on the agenda for your next meeting October
7th so we can get a planning process in place. This is particularly helpful for something like the wetland bylaw and for the fire station planning and other things that you're looking to do. So, let me know what you need for um for that decision-m process and if you're
willing to engage in in that planning. >> I mean, how have you guys typically done it in the past? Are they just six months apart? >> So, historically, it is um we haven't had a a special town meeting in the fall for a couple years. So, in my time here,
it's it's not it's not set in stone, but typically these dates would be set a year in advance of the meeting to help with with the planning cycles. >> Okay. >> That's not Carile specific. That's that's a best practices recommendation.
Okay. Town meeting bylaw approvals. Any bylaw that is passed by town meeting has to be reviewed by the attorney general. We got feedback on the two that were passed at the annual town meeting. The town administrator bylaw has to go through the legislature before the attorney general will opine on it. And
that was their finding. The uh ADU bylaw amendment had a couple issues that were returned. One was detailing parking requirements and the other was defining modular dwelling units. The details of that memo are in your packet and will be
going um and have been reviewed by council for for their impact. In terms of capital project updates, the elevator modernization project is out to bid with a return date of October 17th, 2025. We had about half a dozen firms
meet with our facilities department today and one more scheduled for tomorrow to review the elevator project. We had a lot of interest last time. We have just as much interest this time. So, we're we're hoping that this time the the project goes through without any issue.
We have contracted with the Boston Mechanical for the brick building HVAC project, coordinating with our facilities department to schedule the actual install and working with the MFC and recreation department to make sure that its impact on programming is limited. But we do expect this to be
completed before the winter. As many of you know, we had an incident at town hall today. To really summarize it quickly, there have been some issues with the copper and brass piping in town hall because of the the hardness of the water. So, it's causing pinhole leaks.
And today, that leak was identified right before it exploded is the wrong word, but really just started to spray. Um, Steve, our facilities tech, took the brunt of it, handled it well. Uh it actually started spraying when he was in the bathroom. So
um the whole team in town hall work together to shut the water off. That did close town hall. The damage was uh limited and minimized. We had a plumber come in today. So town hall will be open again tomorrow. We have included looking at all of this piping for the bathroom
renovation uh that is now back out to bid. So we're hoping to have that returned by the end of October. and we'll continue to monitor that piping. And again, that scope has been widened to include this. I'm going to be recommending to the MFC that any additional funding that they
they may or may not have be added to this scope to try to avoid some of this continued plumbing problem that we're having at Town Hall. In terms of your road maintenance, uh your supplemental road maintenance plan that's that's going on, Lazaro Paving is in town starting to work on the Bant
Davis track, which you'll hear about an update quickly or soon. and then they'll move to the paving project uh next week and the week after. And we have a communications plan for all of the residents on the town websites and to the schools to make sure that that
people are tracking this for CPA project updates. The B as I just mentioned the Bant Davis track rehabilitation is beginning. We reviewed the site with the recreation department and our engineers so everybody's on the same page. This project's going to redo
the track, add some ADA accessible parking spaces and walkways and um a couple benches. So, nice project. This is partially funded by the request at your fall town meeting, mostly for some of the additional add-ons like the like
the benches and the walkway. The Demit Dimmit Park study is progressing. We've signed a survey contract and are working through the details of a design contract. This will inform any rehabilitation of that park that will go before the recreation
commission first and could come to you in a in the spring town meeting for a potential design. Uh that's not finalized that it would come to you in the spring, but but we should be prepared for it. It would likely be a CPA request for building construction projects. The
library renovation building committee continues to work through the design process. The 60% design is now complete with an associated estimate. These figures will be reviewed by the building committee and will inform what may or may not be necessary for additional
funding or changes to the finalized design and we are working with the architect and the OPM to start anticipating the 100% documents and any bidding that's associated with it. So, this project is certainly moving quickly and we need to make sure that that
you're following this project and any any funding issues that come up as the money for the project, mostly through donations, is moved to the town and then we start to to guide that process. For the police station renovation, the initial soil test showed little to no
contamination. Uh the sniff test came back as I told you last time without any issues when it went to the lab and and this isn't surprising. There was contamination detected but it wasn't to the level that would require the soil to be removed from the site. So the soil
could be put back into the site. The only condition is we'd have to put on something called an AUL that would mark the site as contaminated well into the future. This would be much more of a of a problem for say a resident, but since we are putting a police station here and
likely to have one here for the next generation or two, the AOL is a good compromise because it doesn't have the cost of removing the dirt. So, that's a decision that we'll have to make. The building committee will will be involved in that and we'll let you know, but we're leaning towards marking the site
with the AUL and reusing the dirt to minimize the cost and to eat less into the contingency. If you look on our town Facebook site, you will see some pictures. The inside of the police station has already begun
in terms of renovation. The female locker space and the gym have been completely gutted. So, this is this is really starting to move. So, if you want to be inspired for future building projects, take a look at those pictures andor go take a tour. It's starting to move pretty quickly.
There are several notifications for you to review in terms of signage around town and uh town common usage. Nothing out of the ordinary though that we need to flag but that is in the report. And I'd like to end my report to you with some recognition. I mentioned earlier
the work that that Megan did with the open space plan and I just wanted to highlight her stepping into the challenging role of succeeding what many of you would agree is a living legend in Sylvia and she's quickly adapted as our our new administrator and worked through that transition process while also
starting to implement her her footing and her mark. So, while she's still very much in her information gathering uh phase, she's taken on several initiatives, including emergency repairs to the Cranberry Bog Dam. She's bringing a engineer out there to make sure that um as many of you know, the trails
closed right now. If there's anything we can do or anything we need to speed up in terms of emergency repairs to to keep the dam in place, we're not quite yet fully concerned, but we are concerned. And then she's working with that same engineer to finalize the permanent dam repairs and get that out to bid, which
has been a long-term project. She's also coordinating with the Conscom and and the LSC to make sure that communication improves and those those processes are being followed by the public. She extended our town's open space plan and she's submitted a six-month project to digitize the conservation commission
records. That doesn't mean she'll be done in 6 months. It's what we're going to do over the next six months to prepare ourselves for a full digital move on these these important records. And I know that's a project we've been tracking for some time. So, she took on this uh ambitious workload with a lot of
energy and without complaint. And I really feel good about about her plan, what her workload looks like for the next 6 months, and just how committed she is to the work. So, I wanted to recognize that to you. I know that was a big transition for the town. The consom is is very happy. the associated boards
are happy and I I wanted to make sure that that you knew that as well. So, I'm looking forward to working with her and you on these important conservation projects. I have included a draft agenda in my report. And other than that, that that is the information I have for you
tonight. >> That's great. Thank you for that update, Ryan. The digitization certainly needs to happen for the ComCrome records. So, okay. >> Yeah, we're calling uh we're we're going
to be doing some digital file Fridays if any of you want to come in and help us. Uh some people are going to be volunteering to help Megan with sifting through these files to limit the eventual cost or time it's going to take to to scan and digitize them. So, happy to have any volunteers. We're going to
be assigning staff to do it and we're going to make it fun. >> Okay. Thanks, Ryan. Let's move on to the warrant and minutes approval. There were minutes from September 2nd and September 9th. It's going to be a busy month.
>> Before we do that, sorry, I I don't mean to make things go longer, but uh Ryan, there's a um a long um uh piece about the bylaws that it looks like we passed at the last town meeting.
Um, and did is there anything you want to say about those? Because it sounds like or or maybe this was for discussion at another time and it just got in this packet, but I just noticed that that one a couple of the things we passed are are not u they're not approving. I guess
this went to the state to be reviewed. >> You know what I'm talking about? >> I do. Yeah. So, I mentioned one of them is the town administrator bylaw. that wasn't app um approved as you would say because it needs to go to the legislature first and that's all they're noting in that memo and we already knew
that and the legislaturator is working on passing that. So once it passes I'm sure that the AG will also pass the bylaw. They just want to make sure it goes to the legislature first. The second one is I don't want to call it line item vetos but um things that they
want taken out of the ADU bylaw because they don't comply with with >> with the state law. So, this this isn't a select board thing. This is more me notifying you where we at with where we're at with that. But the bylaws pass without those provisions in them.
>> Okay, got it. Thank you. >> Great. Warrants and minutes September 2nd and September 9th. Does anyone have any comments or edits? or want to make a motion.
I will move to approve the warrant minutes from September 2nd warrant. We don't have a >> No, just the minutes. >> Just the minutes. Just the minutes. See, I'm reading off the >> Y. >> So, I move to approve the minutes from September 2nd.
>> I second that. >> Discussion. >> Roll call vote. >> Arnold. I >> still out there. Let's see. >> Snell. I >> Stevens I. >> I.
>> Modell. I. >> There he is. And I'll move to approve the minutes for September 9th. >> Second. >> Discussion. Seeing none, we'll do a roll call. >> Arnold I.
>> Mot. >> Snell. I >> Stevens I. >> Actually, can can I change? I need to recuse. Right. The ninth. Yes. >> The ninth one is the one I wasn't there, right? >> No, that was
>> Which one? I lost track. The the the one for the library. >> Second. September 2nd was at the library, I think. >> So, is that the is that the first? >> September was at the library and September 9th, I think you were in. >> I was at 9. No, nine. I was there. So,
>> did I approve too? >> You lost your wallet. >> Yes. >> Right. But I was mostly there. I mean, I listen. >> All right. So, >> we'll mark you as abstaining from the September 2nd vote. >> Okay. Sorry. Thank you. Yeah. >> So, the September 2nd vote was all in
favor with David Modell abstaining. >> Yeah. Okay. Thank you. >> All right. Cemetery deeds. Do we do these? I mean, we can't them. You can certainly do them at your next
meeting if you'd like >> because we'll have to sign them anyway. Correct. >> Yes. If there's a problem, we'll hold an emergency meeting. >> Emergency meeting? >> You mean if someone passes away? >> That's not what I meant, but I can see why you thought that.
>> All right. We'll uh we'll take care of that at the next meeting. Um liaison reports. We've had a lot of reports coming in left and right. any anything beyond what we discussed tonight that we should know? >> Um I met uh Kelly and Sandy and I met
with the Bartholomew guy. It's not exactly the but um >> guy >> the uh the the representative from Bartholomew who manages we met today manages our oped and some trust loans.
Um, so I mean in the absence in the absence of a true audit committee, I'm basically it and I go to these meetings and I kind of query the providers about the way they're doing things and you know make sure that at
least from my view I guess that they're following good procedure and so forth. And it happens to be that in this particular regard, which is the OPED and the trust funds, which amount about $6 million total, we have deputized Sandy to be the sole sort of discretionary
um I don't know authority on on what they what she does with the money. And she's used Bartholomew, which is the leading I think municipal sort of fiduciary in that. They have 330.
They represent 330 municipa municipalities most of whom are in this commonwealth. They have 5 point something million under asset of which 3 point something I'm sorry 5 million billion under asset of which 3
something billion are for that municipality purpose similar to ours. They have a whole system. So we went through a lot of stuff. I can just report that I am confident and pleased that uh the process is good and that
they are optimizing the sweet spot of um return and risk or the old risk return matrix. Some of the funds, you know, like CPA may or may not need short liquidation. So you've got to have flexibility and
some other ones like OP have a decadesl long timeline. Some liquidity is not really top of mind. So I'm satisfied with the process. I think CPA in particular. So if you look at the buckets of money um the biggest one is
OPED which is 3 point something million for us. The trust fund the biggest piece of the trust fund is the CPA. So I think it's something that uh Barney we have to think about over the term is how much of that
do you want instant liquidity versus you know long-term return. I mean that's something we should probably take up with the CPC at some point to just give guidance to Sandy on that because there is some flexibility about the way you you know invest all that stuff and
because of the prudent investor law that we passed I don't know a town meeting or so ago there's the opportunity to put more money into say equities or you know alternatives a number of funds that
provide historically higher alternatives but also are possibly less liquid in the short term. So, >> it's a point that, you know, we should think about the Carla Housing Trust also has somebody in that. So, um but generally and and the trust, by the way, Christine, a lot of these little trust
funds are in there, too. Um so it was a pretty informative meeting and uh anyway the bottom line is I can say because we have not this is a broader point but because we have not opted to formally designate either an
investment committee or an audit committee and there's good reasons for that because they would be subject to OML and blah blah blah. you know, it's kind of up to me or somebody who will succeed me to, you know, sit in on those meetings and really think about what they're learning and be able to report
back that at least from one person's point of view, they, you know, the process is solid and I can report it solid. >> Great. >> David, is there a FinCom member? >> There is. And it was Mark and it was China, so he said no thanks. But okay,
he should have been. He normally would have been there. >> Gotcha. after he tattooed us for, you know, thinking about holding a >> no >> anti-discrimination meeting on Jewish New Year, right? >> Yeah, there is a FCA member.
>> Yeah. >> Okay, great. Anybody else have anything they want to report in? >> I just had a question for you, Scott, and maybe just for the um I saw the dates for the October meetings for the select board. Is there any clarification
as to when our meetings are going to be in November? >> So the >> I heard we have a meeting on the second, Travis >> and third, David, >> and third. >> First of all, the the October meetings are the we discussed are the 7th and the 21st. I think in the packet it says 7th
and 14th >> um on at the end of the TA report. Uh we're going to talk about that tomorrow. Uh Travis, we we started the conversation at our last planning meeting. Okay. >> I think November we may have I think we're looking at maybe doing a meeting
on Monday the 10th >> if that we we'll see if that works for people given the Tuesday is Veterans Day. That's when we would normally have our meeting. >> Um but it's a it's a little bit of a tricky
month. >> Yeah. >> Do you have any preferences, Travis, or any any input? No, I was just I was just asking because I'm Well, I guess around the Thanksgiving week, I would assume that we wouldn't meet, but uh >> that's that's the plan is not to meet that week.
>> Yeah. >> The 24th to figure out uh to meet after the week after uh special town meeting. And we're looking at probably not the not the normal for we wouldn't do that on the Tuesday, but probably >> uh the 10th. And then the question would
be, do we need uh do we think we need a meeting somewhere? How do we space this out? >> Yeah, I think you have to look at Scott, you got to look at the whole two-month period, right? >> Yeah. >> I mean, I I would lay out the two-month period and and give us a little bit of a break if you can.
>> No, I Right. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Right. Okay. >> Yep. >> Um >> good. Thank you. quick liaison report um just from the transfer station action committee. I partly I just want to give them a shout
out that goes into the minutes and the recording. Um but they've the the committee was going through their numbers for this year and last year and um they are estimating uh you know they're on a a calendar year. So they're
estimating that there's going to be an 80 ton reduction in the uh solid waste for 2025. And um you know the state goal is to reduce uh by a couple percentage
points by uh 2030. And so we're way ahead of that um because of their efforts. And the other thing I wanted to mention for them is that um you know there's the state has this program where you can submit or report
on the various things that you're doing uh to reduce waste uh and recycle promote recycling. And in the past we've gotten about $1,500 from those reports that we filed. And this this year looks
like we're going to get between 6,600 and $7,200 because there was just a much stronger effort made to um identify the ways we could qualify and also because Gretchen was really helpful in uh completing the
report. And finally, the hazardous waste day has been set for October 25 and that's a Saturday. So hopefully we won't have any problems with with rush hour traffic. Um, >> are we going back to the the different group than the last one?
>> No, we're using the same company, but it I think it was more the timing, Scott, than it was the company because if you recall, it was during rush hour, I think, on a Thursday afternoon. >> And we hadn't held one in a long time at
that point, too. Right. >> Well, they're just once a year. Oh, just once a year. >> The thing that f folks don't realize is that though we're part of this um group now where any Carlile resident can go to the other communities that hold
hazardous waste days and uh drop off stuff and that's on the hazardous waste website. Um, I also went to the COS board meeting this morning and uh again I I just want to uh compliment uh Jeff
Katowski who you know as the director is um already showing uh what what a good job he's doing working with the team and um just as a quick example I've I have to share that uh they've they've they're
doing some new programs including a fishing trip which they did last weekend and uh 10 people including a couple signed up to go and there was an opening at the last minute. So so Jeff went too and
>> they went to the Northshore and they got on some fishing boat that uh took them out uh and then uh they ended up in the harbor. I can't remember the name of the I've forgotten where they went off. It
was not uh it was near a a state beach. But anyway, um the the captain on the boat and one of the participants were catching mackerel, >> which was pretty exciting. But that's just one example of the new programs
that they are doing and I I I just think it's great and you could tell that the COA board was just thrilled. So >> great. >> Yeah. Oh, forgot the other the other thing. Yeah. Yeah, about the COS is that
um they you may not remember this, but they wanted to do they were going to do that whole health fair based on the um board of health also hosting um you know a vaccine clinic and then the board of
health chose not to do that. So the um COS has scheduled their own uh October 18th and is worked through Walgreens and so they're going to come out at at their cost not not at no cost to the COA and
that's a Saturday and they're offering a wide variety of vaccines for children up through you know however old you are. >> Is that that's been publicized or not yet? I haven't read anything about that. just went out in the Bits and Bites. You know that COA?
>> Yeah. So that's which date is that? >> Saturday, October 18th. >> Okay. Very good. Okay. >> And yeah, I think that's really a great thing they've organized. So >> yeah, great. That's excellent. Yep. >> I appreciate >> Fresh Blood is always >> good. Appreciate them stepping up and
and getting it done. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay, I think we're at the end here. Um, if anyone left, Eric, Christina, if you have any last comments, otherwise I can take a motion to adjurnn.
>> Now, before you do, I just want to mention um Ryan and maybe for Gretchen, you you mentioned your town administrator report was September 9th, but actually it's the 23rd. It it says the 9th on the thing, and you said the 9th, but we should correct it for the
minutes that it is the 23rd. >> Oh, the select board meetings. No, the town the TA TA >> the TA report for today September 9th. >> Oh, >> yeah. You don't want to do all the meetings over again in September, do you? >> No. And I don't want him to reread it either. So,
>> we'll get AI to fix that. >> Okay. >> All right. >> Hey, this is great, you guys. >> Okay. >> Second. >> Okay. All in favor just say I. >> I. Bye.