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I have a meeting uh scheduled for the finance committee, a pretty important meeting. Um but before we move forward, um I need a motion to approve the minutes from April 9th. >> Second. >> That's Yeah, it's good.

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>> I forgot. We need We need to talk to the microphone, I guess. No. >> Well, >> it's online. >> This is from April 9th. I mean, >> no, no, I'm saying we need to talk in the microphone. We're talking because it's online now. >> Oh, we meaning me. >> Yeah. Oh, me too, too. Yeah, me too. All right, there. Hopefully you can hear me

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out there in TV world. Um, all right. So, we have a motion and a second. All in favor signify by saying I. >> I. >> I. >> All right. Second item of business is job description revisions. >> Um, before we get to that, uh, Mr. Chairman, I'd like to I publicly stated that there will be a June finance

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committee meeting. However, that is incorrect. There will not be there is not a scheduled June finance committee meeting. >> So, I just wanted to put that out there on the record. There is not a June finance committee meeting. Thank you. >> So this is >> the last one for the for the fiscal year. Yes. >> Unless we want to get together for a

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special meeting. >> Correct, >> Mr. Turman. >> No, we that's there's no need for that. >> Um I guess we're we're going to you Mr. Turman on I mean I'm not really sure. >> Neither am I. So we have extensively gone over all three job descriptions. We

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did it at >> the HR committee meeting was that a month ago? Uh we did it at two board meetings. So really at this point in time I just need to know what questions need to be answered. >> So I think again that some of that was caused because not all of us are in the same committees but uh I confirm with others and this co coordinator

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curriculum that was a repurpose. We were told that that position was wasn't needed as the old role right is going to be eliminated because we have a promotion it's going to take that job and that's what everybody was under impression. So for the board, this is a net new position and if that's a net new position needed, I guess that's more of

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the conversation that so I think that's universal. I won't speak for everybody, but >> so that position is not net new um because we changed the role of the old job description that was Chris Lopez had. >> Well, we thought that job was being

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eliminated. That was the point. It was like, hey, we got this promotion, those roles go here. That job was gone. That's the what we all thought. Right or wrong, that's that's the >> Fair enough. Uh cuz at no point in time, I know I did not state that we were eliminating her position knowing how slim they are in the curriculum office.

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So I I didn't state that that was going to be eliminated. So I don't know where the confusion came in, but uh there's no way where Dr. Box has three people in her department right now um in terms of all the work that needs to be done would I have eliminated that. If anything, I would have just kept it going the way it

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was, worst case scenario, and filled it. All right. So, I'm just going to reask the question I asked at the board meeting is so personnel is not really my forte, but this position then, which is under

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Sarah, my question is why didn't we have it at the outset? What what conditions created the need for it? Now, >> the difference is is that we weren't going to add another position to the budget. So when you go back to a year and a half ago and we talked about restructuring, the restructure was based

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on what do you what do we currently had and we had to financially make it fit. So in terms of financially making it fit, um that was all we technically had at that point in time a year out. Now with once again Chris being promoted to another position, it left her position

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vacant. So when you have a vacant position, you got two options. Well, three either say you don't you don't need it anymore. one, two, um, how do you repurpose it based on what the district needs at that time? Or three, you just keep running it the way it is. >> So, we had because last year was, uh,

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there was a lot discussed regarding position. So, that I understand this is a position that would have been filled last year if we had funds in the budget. >> If to a certain degree, yes. So if if in

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was that 25 26 um if we at that point in time would have had enough to have another position out of the three directors and yes but at that point in time we did not. >> All right I >> to make the budget work for for this current school year. >> Right. So the issue was the need was

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there last year but it would have uh impeded the budget. >> Yes. It would have been the creation of a position that would have gone over um what the budget what was expected. So help me because I'm not again not good on this. So we have a director for uh elementary or and and secondary.

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>> Correct. >> That has nothing to do with curricula. >> They oversee it, but they're not in the weeds. So let me give you an example. Um like for induction is a prime example. We need somebody who's going to run induction. The the two directors with all the work on their plate cannot run induction with the amount of new

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teachers we're going to we have. And then even next year it's going to be even worse. Um, we were talking about all these new kindergarten teachers we're going to have and majority of the ones are being hired. We only have, I believe, one position that's vacant right now. Um, that but I think there's interviews for that. You're going to have all these new teachers who have to

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go through induction who are going to need support. So, between this individual and the coaches, they'll be out supporting new teachers. >> Induction is what? On boarding >> to a certain degree. Yes. So, your staff that's new, you know, there's things they have to do with induction over a

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two or three year period of time. Two-year period of time. required by >> correct. >> Okay. I I think I get that position. Um >> Kristen, did you have anything? >> No, I just >> So I I did submit some questions and I I just didn't get a chance to thoroughly

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read your answer. So I I was I guess do you want to answer them again or do you just want me to read email response? Um because like one I think one of the just areas of confusion I think just in general is like under our curriculum umbrella. Um I was talking in

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the mic. sorry, under the curriculum umbrella. So I think when we kind of shifted around our curriculum department last year and then um we uh hired two uh director of elementary and director of secondary education

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um it was my understanding which could be wrong um that they handled a lot of the curriculum things right so I guess are they not who who's handling these things now >> right now it is a shared effort and a lot of these things also Chris Lopez was working on as well >> okay

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>> so it's something that um there's not a one person that's a point person because a lot of the tasks are ones that are typically would in a in a district be done by a point person, but they're being kind of divvied up in trying to

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close gaps right now. So, you're right, the directors do oversee secondary and elementary. They oversee ensure the curriculum is being taught, that type of thing. This individual would be taking a step more into it. They'd be leading teams that are writing curriculum. They'd be working directly

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to ensure that um they're working with the teachers on the implementation. They're doing those things that the directors are be at a higher level that are overseeing to ensure it's occurring and they're actually be the ones who would be carrying it out. The directors of elementary and secondary um work

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specifically with regular ed curriculum. this individual would be ensuring that our district curriculum across the board um ELD, special education, gifted regardless, regular ed would all be following the same um framework. We would have it would be um

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implemented and we would be on a cycle to be evaluating it, ensuring that you know we talked at our uh last um academic meeting about some of the curriculum resources that are quite outdated. they would be working on those cycles of

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curriculum to ensure we don't get to a point like that again. And we take a look and see what is the most urgent, where are things that um there are things that have changed or updated that we need to revise. So this person that would be one part of their role would be overseeing that process. Um I know we've

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talked before about the fact that curriculum is very inconsistent both across um levels as well as across grades within each level as well as across subject areas. Um we've had we we need to really ensure a consistent process and that um what we're using and

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and where we are are housing that and how we are sharing that both with the community as well as um how the teachers are accessing it is consistent. Um and also ensure that it is continuously improving and we're not in a situation where one area maybe has a lot of focus

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and other areas are lacking. Um that also goes to our assessment materials. So, we have district assessment materials for some subject areas, others we don't. Um, when we don't have consistent district assessment materials, that's when you have situations where um at one school kids are getting something slightly different

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than another or we're measuring in different ways. So, we can't say that um that it's consistent from school to school. So, this person would be overseeing those things. Um, a big part of this role would also be the induction piece, which I know that that Mr. Turman talked about. Um, and that's huge for

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staff retention. So, we want to make sure that we are truly supporting our new teachers. Um, we were going through at some time just like everybody else around us where there are a lot of emergency certified teachers. We're seeing an upswing now where the large majority of our hiring that's happening right now is certificated individuals

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and we want to continue that. We know that that's best practice for our kids. And this person through that induction process and through supporting our instructional coaches and supervising them would ensure that we are retaining our best teachers, our teachers and supporting those teachers so that they um continue to want to grow with us and

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to uh improve the practices here in central office. >> Okay. Thank >> so did this basically come up as like reorgan say hey this is probably a miss when to restructure we just didn't have enough capacity to do that. >> Correct. And we also um over the past

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year that we have been taking over many of the roles that were um covered by the individuals who were in our in the um office of curriculum instruction previously. That's when we've started seeing things like for example whenever we realized oh we don't have an outline of when all the last resources were created. We don't have so then we

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started realizing there are some gaps. um to no one's fault. It was just one of those things that over the years um so then when those things start coming becoming obvious, we realize that there are pieces that um we really need to focus on and we need to make sure that we are providing the supports to our

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educators so that they are able to do the things that they need to do and have the things that they need to have in order to support our students. So yes, to answer your question, some of these things are things that once we um really got into the the meat of the role and really got into this, we realized there

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are things and areas that um need attention that right now it's very very divided. We're trying to make sure we're hitting everything. And as you know, whenever you're trying to hit lots of different things, lots of different people, that's whenever you really aren't diving in and doing your very best with the things that we want to

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make sure are happening. Um so that's really where this came from. some of these in this role also um Chris Lopez was doing in the previous role. So it's it's there are some things in here that are overlap within that that we recognize we still need to make sure they're they're occurring. >> Was Chris Lopez or Matt doing those uh

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functions prior to the dismantling of the curriculum department? >> Chris was correct. >> All right. So there am I This is rare that somebody has a problem hearing me. Um but so the question is when we reorganized there some of these things

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weren't apparent. >> Well some of them weren't apparent and some of them Chris was continuing to do because Chris was still a member of the curriculum department at that time. So those were still continuing to occur. when we removed her into her new role, some of like the more in the weeds kind

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of things would not be something that she would take with her as director of innovation and technology, but would are things that still need to occur, but then ended up being put on other other roles in separation. I don't doubt the need, but I think Dave has a good point. Um, that uh

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I I don't know if we should have known before because I don't know if any of the people that were in these positions could have fulfilled the Were they doing any of this, the curriculum people that were uh let go?

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>> Yes and no. So, there's some components in it that they were there's there's some component some components they were not. So, but I want to go back to what I originally stated earlier. Um, when I first came on, some of the wishes of the board was to have a director of elementary and secondary. There was even

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some thought of having an assistant superintendent one for elementary and secondary. So, in creating what was needed to move forward, you know, I had to look at everything across the board. There would have been a lot of things that I probably would have said I wanted to add, but financially it didn't add

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up. So there was no way I could add A, B, and C when after I was done with with with A, that was it. So would there have been other things that we would have move would have liked to move forward with last year? Yes. The only reason this opportunity really came up is you had an opening. Anytime you get an

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opening, it's an opportunity not to add to the budget, but to revamp something that's going to make more sense for uh the district moving forward. And when you when Sarah uh presented her audit to me uh and the audit findings, I was very concerned with who was going to take that and get us where we need to be,

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especially at the high school level. The high school level, we really need a lot of work, ton of work. So if the right person is hired for this position, um the beneficiaries of this position would be the teachers would see

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more support for things. The administrator, you know, I think sometimes >> it would it would be a trickle down. So essentially we're looking at curriculum and we know that per the curriculum audit that we have some work to do. So we're the first piece is that consistency across the board with both the writing process as well as the development and the review um and even

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just the way it looks and how it's housed. that then is going to support teachers because we have some curriculum that's very strong and we have other curriculum that's lacking and we have other areas where we have teachers who um we need to beef up or provide them with a better resource. Um so it's going

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to improve so it's going to assist teachers but then in turn it's going to impact student learning as well. Um, we have teachers who have been working hard at writing curriculum for many years. And one of the things that we've recognized is those people are they they work really hard. They're doing a great

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job, but they've never received the training necessary in order to be curriculum writers. So, we are looking for a process and a um a way in order to provide them with the supports they need to be able to do those things. Um, and by having someone who oversees that and

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can help be a lead at that um can support that process as well. So it's not one only one group that would benefit from the role. >> So our new process which I love by the way where the teachers get a lot of say and we have people across there. Are they going to be leading those kind of processes? So like when we do a new m we did the new math correct social whatever

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they're going to lead that >> so I know we're looking at potentially um a new social studies resource for middle school. So this person would be working directly with those teachers who are piloting. They would be able to be um providing supports while they're doing the pilot. Would be able to go through that whole process and be the point person for that.

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>> Okay. Thank you. >> So they understand these are just job descriptions. We're not actually hiring the people at this time. >> The first one would be need to hire because it's vacant, but it's it's it's already an open position. Just changing the roles and responsibilities. >> So the coordinator of curriculum is was

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is actually an existing position. >> Correct. It's just nobody's nobody's in it currently right now. >> Yeah. It's a repurpose. We we misunderstood. We thought that other position was just being eliminated and that funds going to go somewhere else. So I think that was part of the confusion. So >> fair enough. The second one, the individual is actually in the role,

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>> but we're just changing that individual's job description >> and just I mean this could be any person, but if we do do a job description change when there's a person who's in that existing role like >> so made aware of it ahead of time or >> Yes. Yes. So, Mr. Randy, I was getting

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ready to say Terry, Eric, you're really messing me up here. Um, so Randy did bring the individuals in well before we came to the committee meeting to let them know what it was, what we were, what we were thinking, and honestly giving them the why to it. So, >> okay. I just wanted to make sure it

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wouldn't be a surprise to them. You know, they wake up tomorrow with three extra things or three less things or >> before we brought it to the committee on the 28th, uh, Randy did speak to them. >> Okay. >> Tom, do you have anything? would this this would have went along

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with your consultant too, right? >> Yes, correct. So, the branding piece is we're actually making some headway with that and hopefully we'll have I'm hoping to have something in June for everyone to view. Uh we've making some headway in the branding of the district for the district as a whole and then also for

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both sides. Actually pretty cool. >> Just one final question away. Who is who is trained now to write the curriculum? >> Um we have the CCIU that's coming to support us in that process. They're going to train um a group of teachers

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and and um administrators so that way then we have that to be able to then go through. So this person would then oversee the individuals who are providing that. >> Thank you. That was just a >> Yeah, we we need we we're being very intentional with how we're getting there. >> Yeah. I said I'm trying to understand

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last year the position was not filled because of the budget issue. >> It was filled but it was filled by Chris Lopez. >> Okay. >> So this the new position is what we're looking at taking the position that she had been doing taking a look at what our district needs at this time and

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>> combining kind of some of the different roles. >> So out of that work product came the audit that revealed uh what was missing or what was uneven. Does that make sense? I mean um you were saying when you saw some of the results from the audit.

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>> So the audit we started that what was that probably in May April May of last year. >> It's finalized in November. >> Yeah. And then once the audit findings came to you know Dr. Box and myself you see a lot of um concern in terms of where we are as a district K to 12 um

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but specifically at the high school in terms of um what we need to do in order to support teachers with with what they have to do to support kids. So, um, when you start to once again look at as a district, how are we going to move it forward? >> And you looked at Chris's position open,

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um, and then Chris was, you know, no, no disrespect to Chris, she was pulled in 17,000 directions. Um, how did we make that position purposeful where we can move things forward? >> What is expected from us? Because I think this has been voted out of Are we supposed to recommend it?

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>> I have no idea. >> Why don't Why don't we do that and move on? Because if this thing has been vetted, >> Yeah. uh several times. I'm sorry, Dave. Anything else? >> No, that's why I was my question was do I don't think we have to vote because it was already in the other committee. We wanted to talk about it. >> It was mostly just to get some questions answered that kind of came to us last

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minute and we weren't able to >> Mr. Epstein. It was was tabled so it could be brought up again at the 26th meeting again. Uh you don't have to vote on anything I think. Correct. >> All right. So essentially the purpose of this exercise was to have questions answered. >> Sure. >> Okay. >> And there was because there was no

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personnel committee before the next meeting. It was >> Okay. I like that strong commitment, right? You got it. Uh Peter, you're up, bud. >> All right. Um if you guys could load the um the budget presentation on the the screen. So, thank you everybody for coming for the um this is a general fund

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budget presentation. If you go to the first slide, I'd like to start with the key additions to the 26 27 uh budget. These are rehash from the April 28th uh budget, but this will just go over the the four new buildings that we added. Um Okay, good. Thank you.

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Um we have 21 new kindergarten teachers, six new custodians, three health roommates, a certified nurse that will be shared among the four buildings, four autistic support teachers, five autistic support paras, one learning support teacher, one learning support parah, one

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ESL teacher, one guidance counselor and co-op kindergarten classroom assistants, which will be made up of 90 high school students. The total new the new positions are 44 at a total cost of $4.6 million um in these buildings. These are the kindergarten centers that are are

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getting are working on right now and Howard be able to provide an update um during the buildings and grounds committee meeting which is coming up next. Um so these are the uh the key additions. Also to additions to the 2627 budget are special ed and regular ed

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positions um rapidly increasing case loads. There's one autistic support teacher, one autistic and emotional support coach, one physical therapist, three occup occupational support therapist, three speech and language pathologists, two psychologists, and one

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psychologist secretary. Uh the two psychologist and the psychologist secretary are grant funded positions and also two JOTC positions that will be based at East High School. However, the CD high school um will also be able to participate. Those total new positions

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are 14 at a total cost of $1.5 million. These are wrapped into the budget and are necessary due to the um due to our rapidly increasing special ed case loads. These were presented at the April 28th meeting as well. Before I move on, are there any questions regarding these

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these positions? The >> the JR OTC are they military supported or is it all >> So for for the first year they are military supported. Um after the first year, we're hoping that we get certified and then the um the military will then support. >> They are former Marines. Former Marines.

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>> That's one of the requirements um through the JOTC we're going. So the individuals who are hired will be former Marines. >> Okay. So I was ROC through Penn State. Okay. >> And you know they're paid by the military because they're active duty. Um

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but these are basically >> Yeah. for the for right now we we went in as is an NDDD andD ND. So what that means is the district covers the costs. Um if we would have been able to get in as a JOTC program then it's a 50/50 split. >> Okay.

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>> So there's a good chance next year that we might because you they look at everybody's application again that we might be able to get in as a JOTC which that will cut our cost down in half uh because the military will pay the other half. I'm sure that'll based on recruitment

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that they get, it will also help. >> Well, the military certainly has money under this administration. So, uh, the new net additions, what? 58 >> all together. >> Correct. If you add those two positions together, uh, two numbers together, it's about $6.1 million in addition staff and

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that's salary and benefits. >> We'll you'll talk we'll talk about buildings when you get up, right? >> I have a question and I don't know the answer to this. So Jeanie, turns out she can't make it. >> I'm waiting to hear back from Mike if cuz he also can't. >> He should have the link. >> He's going to call in, you think? >> No, no, no. He Mike should be

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>> He doesn't have to. We have it. >> No, no. They We sent the link out where they can actually watch via the link. >> No, I'm just saying because I'm only have two committee members. >> Oh, so the question is So the question >> they have they have a teams link they'll be able to join. >> Genie apparently can't make it. So I

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don't know about >> Yeah. >> All right. So I guess the question is can Mike join via teams? >> So if he doesn't, can we take some topics >> from buildings and grounds? Are we allowed to do that and bring it over to here? >> Well, I don't Well, we're not voting on

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anything that we have in buildings and grounds. Uh it's more of just kind of having >> if there's discussion, you can just bring them over to building. >> You can establish a quorum from a remote location and you can also establish a quorum and that person can leave and the quorum is still in place. >> Correct. All right. So I I sent him a

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Texas. He said he might be able to and so I'll find out. Okay. >> Yeah, I know he's >> I'll wait before we close. >> I got you. I'm with you. >> You're a Penn State fan. >> So, the next slide is covering our debt service. Um the renovations at EH

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Phillips and Paxton elementary schools are underway. However, they'll be completed in general in the summertime after school is complete. After school is over, we borrowed a total of $41 million. The debt service is at 5.6% of the district's total uh expenses. that is extremely healthy due to being very

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low. So that's why when I say it's healthy, it's very low percentage of our budget. The credit rating is a double A2 via uh uh due to Moody. That's as of Moody's credit rating agency. That's very high for school districts and that qualifies us for lower interest rates. So our interest rates came in very low

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for this debt service. The debt service did increase in the budget by $1.6 million due to the new borrowing. However, that's still only equal to the 5.6% of the overall district budget. um which is $292 million. So that does um

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that is an extremely low uh percentage district-wide, statewide and commonwealth over across the Commonwealth of a debt service for a district this size. So something that um that we should be very proud of. >> But we have long-term because we had a wraparound financing longterm some of

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the financing saved us money >> that is not reflected in the budget. >> So that is to be not Mr. Epstein is correct. We did refinance some of our older debt at a lower interest rate and so that is the net of our savings of that. We did save several hundred thousand actually a couple million dollars over the life of the debt um

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which is a 10-year um wraparound. So that is that is a net of the savings. >> So we're going to go into the budget scenarios now. So option one for budget scenarios is a 2.5% uh tax increase that would bring in

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revenues of 291,299786. The expenses would be 2925,471. The deficit would be would leave us with a $715,000 685 deficit. we would draw down from the unreserved fund balance to 17,949

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943,815 which would leave us a percentage of the unreserved fund balance of 6.14%. Um the the reason I emphasize unreserved fund balance is because our total general fund fund balance is 33 million.

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So it is still very um healthy and stable for a district of this size. So just because we are drawing down a very small amount of the um reserve does not mean that there is any danger to the district uh financially from drawing a

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very small amount of this. >> To give you though everybody listening a global perspective if we draw down which is likely our uh um percentage would still be the second best afterwards.

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Only Suscoanis is ahead of us. all the other school districts already in the fives and I'm just paranoid about I like to just have some money there. It helps us with debt. So drawing down to 61, 62, 6, whatever. Um we would still have the

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second best uh ratio of any school in the county. Um I didn't look across the river, but I think Peter that gives us some context. We're in pretty good shape. >> So just say our budget is 305 million next year, whatever. Um right. Right. So that percentage is going to go down.

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>> Correct. >> Right. Because we have a larger budget. >> Correct. >> What is there an estimate of how much we're going to make on that on those funds, right? Because we're going to we have it in in an investment account. Like is that going to cover the increase in the budget or do you have any kind of

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math with that? >> So we are we're earning currently between 3.65 and 3.75 3.8 in interest on the money that is currently in our in our fund balances. So as long as this and there's a draw down is only 715,000

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in the worst case scenario. So um in this actually this is the one of the best case the better cases scenario because the tax increase is a little bit larger. So if the deficit is this is this then the draw down this would actually cover the draw down um and so the the interest earnings would cover

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the draw down and so we would have a net positive in the fund balance. So would it cover the increase um to the 305 million? It would not. um it would not necessarily cover the rail the rise. However, there would be um we would get the adequacy money from

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the state that would come in that would have some some added benefits and we'd have um remember this is the the year that we're covering the four buildings coming online. So, this is a huge increase year in the budget. We were not going to have a I don't think there's not going to be another $20 million increase in the budget um because of the

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fact that we're not going to bring on four new buildings or 55 new staff next year. Um, and that's I think something to keep in mind when you're looking at budget year-to-year. That's why I just write a random. >> Yeah, but we we do have labor negotiations and you know that will increase uh the budget somewhat and it

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should. Um, but all in all, when you look at our bond rating, if you look at our reserves, I don't know if we're the healthiest school district in the county, but uh I don't know anybody who's healthier. Maybe dairy. >> Yeah. >> But but we have the same credit rating

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as the state now. >> Yeah. Yeah, I mean we have the exact same credit rating as as the state does which that that's great for borrowing and everything else. >> Correct. And I think that is something to keep in mind and as long as we um this is a healthy draw down. All three

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options are healthy um to keep our credit are good to keep our credit rating at that 2 um rating so that when we go out to borrow for North Side next year u we maintain our low interest our low interest. So I I guess the bottom line regardless of the options we choose

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there there's no really no need for the cuts that were uh proposed in the prior meeting. Correct. >> Correct. That's why the administration withdrew all the cuts that were proposed at the April 20th meeting. >> So budget option the budget scenario number two is a 2.3% tax increase. That

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would leave us with revenue at 29169,511. The expenses at 2925,471. The deficit at 945,960. The draw down from the unreserved fund balance would be 7 17 million713540

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with a the percentage would be 6.06%. Um that would so that's the option number two. The option number three would be a 2.2% tax increase. The revenue would be 290 million 954 375. The expenses are exactly the same. claim

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the deficit would be $1,61,96. The draw down from the fund balance would leave the unreserved fund balance um at 17 million 598404 and the percentage of the unreserved fund balance would be 6.02%. Um out of all three options, the administration recommends option one.

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And the reason for option one is it gives us a little more flexibility if the state government if the state governor and the legislature agree to not put any basic ed subsidy or special ed subsidy increases into our budget. Um that would be flat funding for basic ed

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and special ed. Um the our current budget does count on the governor's budget coming to to reality. >> I got that right. So our millillage would be eight for the budget scenario one 1875 would be our new millillage. >> Correct. >> Okay. And I have still the lowest in the county. >> It would be by far the lowest in the county.

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>> We'd have the lowest millage in the county. But the I would encourage the administration next year not to do a budget based on the uh governor's budget presentation in February because that that's fantasy island. He's just throwing. But at any rate, I think we have to take

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a little a more realistic approach. So all three options that we have and then you had a couple other slides, Peter. >> Sure. Exactly. I'm going to show these other slides on the on the screen, too. So, this shows the the difference here. Um, and this is why it gives a little more flexibility. It shows the

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difference. Um, I look I want to look at the second to last line where I spelled unreserved wrong. Um, but it says the difference between the unreserved fund balance and 6% leaves the 422,887. Um, and all three options where the difference between the 6% and the

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unreserved fund balance goes down to 192 612 and option two and an option three is 77,476. So you could see the difference in um in options. I also uh keep that in mind because we're passing a budget on in in late June. However, there are a couple

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other of scenarios where if we identify more students that require another special ed classroom and we have to add another staff member. That doesn't leave us with a lot of flexibility in option two and it does it leaves us with zero flexibility in option three to hire another um teacher as a as a teacher uh

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adds with their salary and benefits over $100,000 with the salary and benefits. So it does not leave any flexibility whatsoever at 2.2% but it does um in in option one and two does leave a little flexibility for that as well. So that is

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another rationale between um the option one and two. So I want to there is a levy scenario and it does give the uh impact to the community for the um for the options. If you look at option one

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the 2.5% if you look at the median household assessed value not the market value the assessed value at 120,000 the 12 month in the 12-month or tax bill increase is 54.88 88. And if you divide

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that over a 12-month period, that would be a $457 uh increase. The option two or 2.3% would be a $50 or49 increase or a $421 over the 12 months. And the 2.2% would

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be a $4829 increase or a 4.02% increase uh for a per month increase. Um, I did present some other options there that you can see. You find your assessed value and and you could figure it out that way. Another simple way to

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do this also if you're listening at home is to take your last year's tax bill, multiply it by 1.0220 or 1.022 uh 2550 and that will also give you what your bill will go up by. Um, so that's

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another simple uh exercise to figure out what your tax bill will go up by if you're um is if if you don't follow on this chart. >> So to summarize the financial uh health of the uh district is pretty good in terms of bond rating since we moved from uh I guess we moved from standard and

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board to Moody's correct >> our reserves are solid and our debt ratio is good. Um, but it it the the rating agencies are going to look at whether or not we made a tax increase. And the amount of money we save with the double A, and I know it's

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hard for people to imagine, is substantial. So, I think this budget moving forward, regardless of the scenario, preserves all those numbers. And you're right, we don't we don't know what's coming next. I I would be surprised if this budget um

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does anything significantly in terms of increase. and I think also I think it's it's it's a tremendous um accomplishment that we had a savings in healthcare um that we moved from Highark to Capital Blue Cross

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saved us um over a a million dollars um in savings and an increase from 13% to an 8% uh net savings uh overall. Um there's a lot of administrative accomplishments and board accomplishments from tasking us to look at different things from your foresight

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um from when I even got hired back in in June. Um and the foresights of the entire administration team to get all these positions and all the buildings open um and push forward in a in the act one era to do all this and and have

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these three options that are responsible for for the community. So, I think that's a great accommodation. And then >> you look around at other school districts and see where we're at. So, I don't know how long we can sustain this level of uh uh you know, positive

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ratings. Um but I just open it up. >> So, here's the um so here's the the the key dates. The committee recommendation to the full board is is for the full board's consideration for May 26th. We have to advertise it for the public on the for 20 days. Um and then the full

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board to vote on the budget in action on the 23rd and I have we have to send it to the state um for by June 30th. So >> that just still burns me that we have to be done on time and they should be done on time but their time clock is elapsing. >> Correct. >> Uh >> if there's any questions from

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>> Yeah, I have a couple but I want to see how my distinguished colleagues. So one of the questions Dave sort of asked earlier which was the whole you know year-to-year how are we going to cover that depre depletion that we've done this year for subsequent years if

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the budget is continuing to increase. So the interest rate you're saying was 3.8 or whatever percent on those funds going forward. I know one of the questions that we had submitted to you which I might not amount to much but like have we looked around at other banking

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institutions for some of these things to see if we can get better rates that could just be you know helping to inch us closer to to you know filling that gap as well. >> I'm sure we have we always we always are looking at better interest rates. Um we are moving um money from another banking

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institution that um Mr. Epstein had recommended to uh Mid Pen Bank for and buying a CD rate that would be is very very competitive to PISLAF as well. Um but we always are looking at other banks. I'm meeting with banks constantly to change potentially change our banking

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relationships, our general fund banking relationships and it is always looking and pitting one bank against another. For an example, the credit rating or the credit the letter of credit did save us um money on switching at the last minute as well. So we always are looking at to ensure that we are getting the best

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rate. Um and if there is interest rate increases, we are ensuring that the interest rate increases that come out from the Fed are then put back onto us immediately as well. Similar to when the Fed rate it cuts their rate, the rate cuts then trickle down to us immediately. So we're ensuring that the

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Fed rates if they do increase their rate, we get the increased rate as well. >> What's that process look like? I drove on the way in. I forget which bank it is. The one next to Burger King on 22. It's a six month CD 4.13 or something. I forget what the number was. >> Yeah. So, the process works. It doesn't work the same as for personal banks.

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>> Yeah, I know. I'm just wondering like how how do you how do you guys know in the team, hey, we're getting the best rate? Like do you have a process? Is it an annual thing? Is it can you just walk a little through that? >> So, we will every at the at the uh budget adoption I will ask the board to

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approve depository banks. And so the board has to have a set number of depository banks um approved before I could shop even the banks out there. So what we will do then is if we see um other uh banking so we'll get cold calls and we'll also shop ourselves to see

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what the governmental CD rates are for us and then we will go out and shop them and make sure that we are getting the best rates possible. part of part of what my day-to-day job is to make sure >> you've done a good job and you responded to >> numerous inquiries about this >> and you guys are also

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>> an RFQ like annually and saying hey we're always interested like or is that I'm just asking >> no no we could do that for sure but there's also a cost to going out for an RFQ so like so for an example to go out for an for a request for qualifications which is what an RFQ is for people that don't know what those letters stand for

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um you have to advertise for three day for three different times times in two different newspapers and that cost about $700 to do that. So to do that and sometimes get the same results is not sometimes advantageous. So it's better for us sometimes just to use u myself

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and and my and my accounting specialist which is Chris Hadock. She goes out and she'll email banks and get their their rates their six months rates and stuff like that. It's advantageous for us to do six-month CDs because the six-month CDs get you similar rates that a 12-month and eight month 18month CDs

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are. Plus, they keep the the cash liquid for us. So, I'll give you an example. Right now is what I call low tide for cash. Um because real estate taxes don't start coming in until August and September and we don't get um and so we really are and this is another reason

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why we want to maintain the the the fund balance because we will run out we will run tight on cash at this time of the year to make payroll to pay bills. So, you need to have a good bal a good fund balance, total fund balance, not unreserved, but total fund balance

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because we will draw down um some of these funds that we're earning interest on um to pay our bills to make payroll. And then when we get the real estate money in, I will pump a lot of that money. I say pump, I mean invest a lot of that money into high interest reserve

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uh high interest CDs and whatnot um to earn the highest interest rates. uh earning money. So, where the best time to get the highest interest rates are in the fall when we have all the in where we have hundreds of millions of dollars that come in through real estate collections. >> Hey, thanks Peter. One of the things we

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talked about I'm not saying not to do an RFQ, but um the these banks I get I set a record for spam. >> Um and I don't eat ham. So the I mean when they're not going to want to lose

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our account and so for a lack of a better term, you know, you negotiate, beat them up, and you you get you get some points. But I think some of these entities have taken us for granted because the money's been there so long. >> I think it's I mean, just in general, we've talked about this before, is that

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we're a huge monster and we should be putting our weight on everybody saying, "Hey, we should get better rates, get more money." You know, we can't increase revenue very many places, right? We got a lot of expenses. We've got a million things we'd want to do that we could >> just lean on. >> Yeah. So, I think I think one of the benefits we're going to have to make up

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some of the money that we're drawn down is is just one thing that we brought in was so there's two ways we can do this. The one thing we're going to do is we'll look at the interest rates in particularly in the fall when we have the excess where we have a lot of the real estate revenue come in. That's important. The second thing is we're going to have a increased access revenue

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coming in that we had we had 300 or $400,000 in. We're going to go to 865,000 in this budget, but in next year's budget, we're we're projecting to bring in 2.5 million from the from the um from the consultant that we hired from Mile One Consulting, Ryan Stewart. So, that 2.5 million is going to be a

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substantial increase in revenue that we didn't have before. So, that's going to help us bring in the pay for some of these increased services that we need for our students. And that is what our and that is a a conservative estimate because we're still building out some of the contracts to help us get some of the

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tu the outpac out outsourced tuition. So that's for 2728 not 27. >> We still have the possibility based on the money we borrowed that if we have an underspend that money can go back to the general reser. >> Correct. And so that would also cut down

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our spending that we need for north side and some other projects that we may want to do. >> Yeah. I think Mr. Turman, you had a grant out that could help offset the cost. >> Yeah, the as I uh sent the email to the board, uh we have now made it to almost the final round. >> Excellent.

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>> Um so there's a large possibility that we could receive a $5 million grant which would offset some of the cost of North Side. >> Thank you. >> I got a question. Are we allowed to use like some of the alternative cashes, you know, like Vanguard came out with a

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much more liquid and higher interest rate? Um JP Morgan does a liquid asset funds, you know, which which pay really attractive rates are, you know, but there's still cash. >> I could review it. Um there are certain there are certain rules and restrictions, but I I could review some

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of those things if you want to send them over, Tom. I could review it. >> Okay. I mean, the Feds is meeting in June, so June 16th. I mean, they're cutting interest rates. It's gonna happen, right? It's it's not then, it's going to be the one in July. So, that that'd be a great alternative. >> Or stuff like the SPWX was like Charles Schwab, you know, you get the pretty

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good return on there. So, you should do that. It's an easy cash one. Better >> there's there are certain there are certain acts that restrict what governments can do with the with the So, I have to review exactly what that restrictions are. And so, um, that's why I just said I have to review. I don't want to give an answer. not be and you

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know >> I mean University of Michigan has put 20 million into was it open AI and they got 200 or two billion so >> yeah I a good idea >> right well they can buy more football players >> yeah so that's one of the things but there are there are revenue in there are revenue what I call enhancements that don't involve tax increases that we're

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looking to um it's the second least thing I like like I personally like to propose so um >> no I think in the last couple of years we have had and the reverse tax appeals that that you're looking at the potential potential for another four or five million coming into the district

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outside of taxes and folks should know that. >> Um, and I appreciate, you know, you answering uh, you know, my numerous quaries and also changing the color of ink so I can follow. >> Yeah, that's no problem. >> And one thing I since we're now online in the public, like 2.2 to 2.5, that's

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really $300,000, right? Like it's not like the number people like these percentages are huge, but it's it's a million dollars every percent. So it's 300,000. Like it's >> it's one of those things when you're going to need those funds for a lot of the future building projects. The percentage if you ignore that part of it, it's really not a ton of cash like per as you can see here per

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>> I I think if you look at what happened to Dolphin County where they didn't raise taxes for 20 years, it's just not a good strategy. I mean, it's better to incrementally in raise them. And as I said to the uh member for the public the other day is that look, when we get an

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electric rate increase, that's times 19 now 23. Water, sewage, and whatnot. So this is basically we're just keeping pace >> and correct and we also had to add you know well three new buildings cuz this building we're in now came online this year but it's really three new buildings that we had to add all the utilities and

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everything to and insurance and everything like that added to the >> we still don't have a number though on the insurance increase to it. >> No, we have not gotten the renewal yet. We will have it by the board the meeting on the 26th but there is an estimate in here for that. >> So hopefully it comes in lower than the estimate because we were aggressive on

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the estimate. So that may there may be a little more savings in here too, but >> um but that just gives us some flexibility. >> Peter did a good job. Uh >> Kristen, any questions, comments? Saliloquis, >> I I think I've said enough thus far for

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this. I don't have any additional questions. But what do we are we proposing then one of these today or >> Yeah. So So yeah, so the committee the committee needs to propose and push vote something out of >> this will be our last meeting uh for a while. Thank goodness. >> Now, I I always forget the rules, but

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like I I mean, at this point, the 25 is is 300,000 more. Like, we're going to need that money for future projects. So, I would I would propose if everybody agrees to the 2.5. >> I >> And what's our max increase? Three >> uh 4.4. >> 44. Yeah. 4.4.

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>> Yeah. I'm at 22, but you know, why don't why don't you, if you want, put it in. >> Well, here's my idea. >> Okay. >> Two. >> Because I think, you know, we we never find a dollar. We save. we always spend. So 23 keeps us a little more

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>> in line to that. Um but it's also being as conservative as possible to taxpayers. >> Yeah, >> I I hate taxes, so trust me, I understand. >> No, you've made that quite clear. Um Tom, I

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>> I mean I mean when you look at the average inflation, you know, we use in my world, they boosted it from like two and a half to now it's basically three. >> Um and then you go to energy and the stuff that's, you know, they're like 16. >> So yeah, you have to bring more money

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in. I know we're going to have some net savings next year because the four buildings online, but there's other things that are going to take the money anyway. >> You don't know when next year breaks. I but I'm more inclined to go with the middle two three as well. >> Um well I mean I think that the that the

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frustrating point is that people see tax increase and I know they're concerned. I don't like to do it either, but I think we did three years with no tax increase. And so we're somewhat catching up. >> And I and I hear like from the people say people like would hammer on taxes and like they're like, "Did our taxes go

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up?" And like I didn't notice in the bill. I'm like, "Yeah, because it was $8 a month." Like I mean $8 a month a lot to people. I'm not saying that, but it's not. It's one of those things that >> it's all relative to whoever the person is. >> Oh, I know. Believe me. >> They know that the county taxes went up 20% and then another >> They're going up again. Yeah. Yeah,

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>> it just wasn't as noticeable compared to the other tax bill that they got. >> So maybe that's that's good for >> So do you do we want to propose Kristen or I can do I I would propose to move forward with a 2.3 to recommend to the full board. >> Okay. Is there a second?

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>> Is there a third? No, I'm just joking. Okay, there's a motion on the floor to recommend to the board a 2.3% tax increase. All those in favor signify by saying I. >> I. >> I. And Peter, that's a budget with none of the cuts. >> Correct. No cut

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>> and just for a point of clarification that difference between the 2.2 and the 2.3 is not really in an expenditure. It is that we are retaining more of that in our general fund for subsequent years and subsequent uses. Correct. >> There's going to be I mean there will be

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a deficit in the budget. So there will be there yeah it'll it'll compound itself every year. So yeah you will get more money every year every single year moving forward. Yes. That's that's that's my if it was for more expenditures, I would go to the 22. The 23 to me just gives us a little bit more

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of a buffer. It does in our general fund. It does, >> which I would like to keep in our general fund so that next year we're not just, you know, every little bit we can keep in there sets us up better for, you know, bigger tickets. >> We got We're talking about buildings ground. The high schools, right, are going to be a problem. Lingletown Middle

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is going to be a problem. All these new builds are going to be a problem. So, like banking some money now >> in the future, plus all those, >> right? I did present agreements we have to negotiate. >> I did present if you remember there is a slide in the previous on the budget in the in the April 28th meeting that shows

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the compounding um how compounding tax increases do bring in more revenue every single year that goes into the general fund and stuff like that. >> Well look we don't know what next year's going to bring. Excellent job Peter. I appreciate responding to all my emails and thank you Mr. Chairman. >> Sorry I always will respond in red just for you.

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>> Yeah. Well you also I apparently don't like the Sixers. Uh or the Eagles by that. Um, so I I guess the question moving forward is do you is >> I mean we are close to a German time but

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do you want to loop any of the other >> No, we're good. Mike's in and or Jeie I think they're actually both on right now listening so they can join. >> We do have community input by the way though it's still community input. >> Yeah. Yeah. Community input.

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>> Can you identify who we are? Really? >> Do you have to speak into a mic so we're online now? You probably should. >> Yeah, just come on up. >> The podium or the >> I can talk really loud. >> If they can't hear you online, personal, this isn't what I was going to say, but

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just something that Dave said, you know, most people complain about taxes, doesn't matter if it's half a percent or 20%. Uh, and what Dave said, like, did they raise our taxes because they don't even know. And most people complain to me that we well, you keep raising taxes. We didn't raise any taxes. So, most

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people don't even know. Um, and they're going to complain whether it's three or 3.3. Is that what we recommended? >> 23. >> See, I would go all the way up because >> Yeah. Good thing you're not on the committee. Okay. Sit down. >> We haven't done it in a while. And we And as Eric said, we have no idea what

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next year. >> We did. We did raise taxes last year. >> Last year we raised >> Oh, did we? Okay. Well, Max, >> we go to the max last year. But the question I really had was uh who wrote curriculum in the past? >> Like I I'm trying to think like because I mean I haven't been on a curriculum

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committee in 20 years. So I don't even Right. >> I know a lot of people who had like their master's degrees was >> and I'm I was assuming that that was good thing to have to help write curriculum. >> It absolutely would be but we didn't have a process in place. So we don't

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>> a process that's taught to us by somebody else. >> Right. So we'll have a process that's consistent. We don't we don't do it the same. And and depending on which subject area and which grade level, it's done slightly differently and even looks slightly different. So it's bringing consistency. >> But who did it like before? >> Um at the elementary level there are

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curriculum committees and at the secondary level the department chairs. >> Okay. Because I'm just wondering because I thought I heard there's no one to do curriculum and I >> no it's not that there's no one and people like I said people have worked hard on curriculum for many many years. It's just very inconsistent and when you take a look at even the actual

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curriculum that's written depending on whom and you can see like change like so it's just bringing consistency and ensuring the process >> to make process >> correct. Correct. >> That's the only thing you're doing. >> Mhm. Yep. >> All right. Anybody else in the public?

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Bill, I saw you trickle in. Do you any comments? >> Next week. >> Thank God. All right. Andrea, anybody from uh the staff? >> All right. Um if we're if you're

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>> make a motion to adjourn. >> All right. Second from Chris and he >> All right. We're adjourned. I can't second it. >> All right. >> Whoa. We finished early. That's unbelievable. you on right now.

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>> Can you hear me, Dave? >> Yes. All right. Perfect. All right. I'm call this to order. Uh Jeie, are you on? >> Yes, she is. >> Okay. All right. We have a quorum. All right. Can I get >> I am. Can I get a motion to approval of the minutes?

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>> So moved. >> Can I get a second? >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I >> I All right, we're official. One old business we didn't have in here, uh, Howard, was the um the CD middle school track badge access. I know that we've been working

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on this for a while and now that we do have the the schedule and stuff like that. So, what's the latest with that? >> Um, still working with Greg to figure that out, the director of safety and security. Um, with the amount we use Landis, it's going to have to be a summertime kind of event only, um, when

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school is out just due to gym classes and things like that and after school sporting events. So, we're trying to figure out what that looks like in the summertime. >> Okay. >> All right. Perfect. You good with that, Eric? >> I'm good. I'm cool. Thanks, man. >> All right. We can go to new business. The lock. >> Did we vote on that?

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>> No vote >> on the minutes. >> Yeah, we did. >> Second it. >> You seconded it. >> No, you made the motion. Eric, I missed the two cuz I just asked him if they were all I did. I missed the two. >> That That's not good when you and I are at the same mental attention.

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>> All right. Uh the locks, Howard. >> Um so right now currently East High's tennis courts are locked um outside school hours, outside of use. Um uh I believe it was a concern brought brought to Mr. determined that some of our kids

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after school, after practice, once the tennis courts are locked, would like to go back there and practice on their own and don't have access. Um, so looking for a way to be able to secure these tennis courts while granting access to students for use. Um, so one of the

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ideas that was brought up was a turnstyle style uh entrance at like we have Atlantis Field. Um, so pricing getting price ranges on that. Um, we would have to bring electric out um of the building for safety and security for badge access and things like that.

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Concrete footings. We'd have to hire a professional engineer to do stamp drawing so we could get it permit and stuff like that. So, we're looking between 23 $28,000. Um, other things that we're looking at, >> I'm sorry, what was that number? >> 23 to $28,000.

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>> Okay. Um again big big parts of that is the footer concrete professional services that you know the whole >> how how heavily is it is there a lot of requests to use it after >> I I can't speak to that. >> Yeah. So the request came to me from uh

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one of the board members uh individuals in the community were were asking her um why the kids on the tennis team couldn't get access. So, um, let's make an assumption it's all a good portion of the kids on the boys and girls team. Um,

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so I don't know, maybe 30 kids or so. Um, and then maybe they would be using it during the summer and so forth. >> So, here's here's a question and we do this a lot is and this is sometimes why we don't have money is we're like, "Oh, we need this because somebody complained and said they need it, right?" Not saying they don't need it, >> but if it's not in the budget, like then

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that has to come to next year, right? I mean, I feel like we do a lot of we just do it because we need it, but it's not in the budget. And then that's why we're always crunched in the budget. >> We can't have some teaching positions because we have stuff like that. >> And I would say there are other options. I I I wanted to kind of start at the top

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and kind of work back. So, we can do an electronic lock style um like you see like real estate agents and things use that are reprogrammable. Um, you know, you can get them a good good style electronic lock is anywhere from $250 to $500 with two gates there. We could do

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it for under a grand. >> It's a lot better than 26,000. >> The downside to that is again once you put that combination in and you start handing it out, what's the ripple effect of that? >> Here's the question though is like I mean I had a a lock where I could have

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it set per hour. Like I you had an app, right? Right. I had to give that person access. Like I had different family members, but they my in-laws like, "Hey, you don't have access after 10 p.m. But hey, 10 to 2, you're come on in anytime you want." Right? So, there's stuff like that out there. And and that's what where I was kind of going. The only

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thing we could save some uh some money up front with with that style, but somebody an athletic director, safety and security, somebody has to monitor that if we want to do weekly combo changes. And then kids got to sign up for the for the uh combination and then we change.

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>> Can tennis coach do that? I mean, they're they're ones that need it. >> Again, that that that would probably be above my pay grade, but I I think that is a a short-term fix at a low cost that can service our students while still securing it. >> So, this is not to Well, I'm not saying

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not to allow public, but this is basically driven by the teams. >> Yeah. I mean, listen, these kids need work, right? I I get it. Like, these kids nowadays work a lot. like you know my kids right now ya make sure they're doing their lacrosse right now that get you know it's that's part of thing but we just have to make sure that it's not

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crazy 26,000 there's other ways we got to think through it that's a great solution I think >> I think we can look at that with the and I'm pretty sure I can handle that in my current budget if you guys want to take take that risk >> okay >> those are new courts aren't they

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>> we just resurfaced them >> all right the next one is Uh tech centers you got you have that there >> right >> so so part of this discussion just ongoing in buildings around we've been talking about capacity issues elementary was solved by the kindergarten centers

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for the most part u got some couple things west handover but I think we're good there middle schools are okay uh except for lingal sound which is not part of this but the high schools are a problem right so some of these CD is going to be at 102 105% right that's a problem and it's not like east is not

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far behind they're in the 70s but they're going to be in five years they're going to be 82 to 85 and that's without a couple of these things that aren't approved yet on the thing. So, high schools both need space, right? So, the question is, how do you get creative? We looked at >> uh the courtyard at CD, for example,

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>> putting in classrooms. It's like two stories there. It's like $100 million. My my brain broke, right? And I was like, that doesn't make any sense for eight classrooms, but that's what it was because you have to move all the move all the electric, all those different things. We have cafeteria problems. Uh we talked about doing some things in the library, which is still obviously a

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possibility because we need um space in there and that it's a huge library, right? So, you could still keep a library and get get a couple classrooms in there, but um Eric and and Howard um brought this presentation of something different. We don't we don't have enough kids that are that can get into Dolphin

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Tech, right? We we max out our there's a waiting list. There's great quality kids that can't get in there um because they probably didn't have the grades earlier and they didn't realize they needed them and now all of a sudden they're stuck and they but they need to go to the trades um because that's a great path for students. You know, people making six. There's a kid I know making over

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$100,000 being a welder and he graduated a couple years ago, right? So, great things. So, the the thought that they brought was, hey, could we do a building that's more of a that focused tech center and put one on each campus where you're going to have um you know, shop. We talked about maybe possibly some

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different things with cooking, but take some of that out, repurpose those classrooms we have now. Get some kids out of the classroom. The hallways free up um so you have some more room in the hallways. still have some cafeteria problems, but you got a lot more space and you got a little breathing room because we need breathing room other

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than building a new high school or if you put at this point I what we're talking 200 million for adding on to CD like that we don't have that $200 million we just talked about a tax increase arguing over $200,000 that's 200 million >> so with these um so you're considering

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both high schools >> both high schools um ones at centered off and where the buildings being torn I I don't want to steal your thunder but >> no how about it you're doing Oh, sorry. >> Where the barn's being torn down now, right? Have that there. You can place them there. Um, it's kind of like a pool

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bar, right? So, you can bring in these steel structures, assemble them right there, >> right? And then you have to run electric and all that, but you can have bathrooms. Um, you can have all those different rooms. We talked about like, hey, can you have an area where you're doing like uh something outdoor? You're building a shed. So, you have an outdoor space or you have a shop floor kind of

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space in there. So, which is really good. >> And that that would go there. And then east, it's kind of actually close to the tennis courts. It's really close to the building actually. So you probably just build a covered walkway and they could have that access. So you're getting kids out. You're updating our our tech which we have is like you've been in our

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shops. It's from like 1950. I think it's the same actual like drill bits stuff they had from that. That's what it feels like. So >> like upgrading that that's actually a big cost of it because we're so far behind. >> But as we see more and more people going into the trades because it's such a great opportunity because you don't have the student debt and you can make a ton

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of money and it makes a ton of sense. So we could possibly partner with some of the trade organizations I would imagine. So with the pole uh shed, barn, whatever you want to call it, that would have would be anchored. >> I Yeah.

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>> Yeah. So it would be footings on slab. So you call it a pole building because more people can relate to that, but it's a structural steel building insulated. It will have heating and air conditioning. Um fully ready for staff and students. >> Okay. >> But yes, it's on slab. Um you can see on

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the drawing some of them doors are rollup so you can get 16 foot lumber deliveries things like that much more um capable of handling a a class that that we currently offer plus the the construction courses that we're offering

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in the future. This is this is way more um capable of handling a program like that. >> There's so around the barn there's there's what six, seven, eight acres. I I mean seems to be all right. >> Yeah. Yeah. Now that there's also down there on the flat, there's also a

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practice football field that this wouldn't impede on. Um, but the beauty of this style building as it it continues uh in popularity and stuff like that, it is very easy to add on classrooms, additional floor space, things like that. So, that is the other

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beauty of this this style of building. Um, plus the overall construction cost is is extremely low compared to your your typical brickandmortar style building. talking. >> Eric, to your point, Eric, to your point, we talked about, you know, can

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you partner with Home Depot or Lowe's or other organizations, you know, where you can um I don't know, even make it a sponsorship type of thing, but there are all kinds of trade organizations that you could potentially, you know, get to uh donate

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equipment and it's the, you know, it's the such and such a name piece of equipment and and they get to advertise that, right? I think there are opportunities to kind of whittle down some of these costs where we can uh establish some real partnerships and sponsorships. >> Well, you look at some of these the

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IBEDW's not too far away and that's a big building that doesn't get much use and I know there's some someone out in East Hanover, but I think it's a great idea. >> Um and uh it's hell of a lot more comfortable than those the mobile homes. What were the >> Yeah, the mobile classes.

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>> Yeah, I taught in there for two years. >> So, you're getting right here. Right. Just in this one, if you count those shops, right, you're get at least four classrooms there, right? So that was that was probably $100 million right now to do that. >> All in with the tools. I think you said it was around 5 million. >> Yeah, I think the structure should cost

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right around 3.5 million. And if we were to pay for, you know, all new lays, band saws, like everything to man a a technical shop. I'm thinking 1.5 million um per shop. So right around 5 million per per shop. But as you guys pointed out, you you you know, solicit donations

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on lays and things like that and and and uh put people's uh you know, Home Depot sticker on it and stuff like that and and I think you can drive some of that cost down >> and that cost also included repurposing like the shops into regular class. Correct. Correct. >> Right. So just some other we were just

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kind of just talking about as we were looking at the plans. Right. So so instead of maybe this shop floor over here, maybe that's a full kitchen, right? And so they can do cooking classes and you know their their home class. What do they call them? I don't know. I call them >> family consumer science. That's all right. Fair enough. >> I'm consumer.

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>> It's it's home. No, >> you should be home, right? They made >> Why can't they like have their class there and they can make lunch and they can all have lunch right there, right? And you get kids out of the lunchroom. Like there's just different ways to be creative than we've done things in the past. Like I think this is one of those outside the box that I've been asking for. I think it's really great because

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it's amazing stuff for the kids. It gives us space at a lot less cost, right? And then maybe we could take some of those um what's the name of that place? That tech place I can never remember that you visited. >> Which one? >> The >> Oh, flux base. >> Flux space. Right. So maybe some of these old spaces, not just classrooms, but they're flux bases and we have more

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computer labs or AI kind of stuff that's in some of these things. But >> you know, the future's changing really really fast. AI I don't I mean I used AI so much this week. I was from my use of just like some of the results >> from like three. Yeah, you saw that too. But for my work like I I I had this huge project and I was like this is going to

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be such a pain in the butt. Like I was like I do not want to do this. I was trying to get resources internally and someone's like, "Hey, you can use this new AI assistant in in cloud. It's a brand new one. Do this, this, and this. I did it. Hit a button. An hour later, my entire presentation was done. I didn't do a single thing." And I'm like, "This is crazy." Like, this is it's

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coming so fast. Two months ago, it couldn't do it right. And it's just if we don't get ahead of this this tech side for these kids and the and the blueco collar jobs and then the AI stuff, we're going to be pretty our students are going to be far behind. >> How many uh students did we anticipate

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or project this would absorb? So when you look at both high schools on a current the current schedule they have now in a nine period day probably about eight periods both you know you probably don't want more than 20 25 kids in a section uh with the work that they're doing you know you can have an impact on

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with two teachers three teachers >> rotating in >> correct yeah they're they're coming in each period so the beauty of this is >> um when Howard and I went to visit we were at CD high school for a long period of time the focus of the kids in these classes is something I've never seen

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before in any other class. Like they were focused. They would barely talk to us. Wouldn't have eye contact. They were going in and out. Like it's the level of engagement that you need and you want for all kids. So we're looking as we bring things on is that things that the the things that kids are going to get

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excited about coming to school with. And we also are um starting to work through blended options where let's say a kid wants to do this. he could come do this and if the kid wants to go home and finish asyncy or he wants to do online,

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we're allowing them to do that. So, we're working on that with JRTC. We're working on that with some of our other programs that we going to try and we want to offer things where kids don't have to. If I don't want to go to city high school or East High School all day, I can come in, I can take this class and you know what, I can go home and I can

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finish my work at home asynchronously as part of our cyber program. So we are hoping that's going to be an option that's going to keep our kids here and not have them go someplace else. >> Yeah. You think about like what former school board member said at the last meeting. He's like, "Oh, they have this thing and this is why people are choosing CCA." I was like, "This is

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something that nobody has." Like you have a lot of kids are like, "Hey, I just regular school's not cut out. I'm not going to college." Which is great because most colleges, some of these degrees are useless. But like this is going to be like, "Hey, this is I get my education. I get this. I'm ready to go." And with the construction classes, they got CS coming out and all of a sudden

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they're really higher and they're making $75,000 a year as an 18-y old. Like I mean that's that's this gives that opportunity. >> The the other part of a space like this that really helps is you can bring in subject experts, electricians, plumbers in to that space to actually show the

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kids and work with the kids and get to know the kids, which will again increase your co-op numbers their senior year, which increases job offers as they get out. we currently don't have the space for somebody to come in and show somebody how to run plumbing and things like that. So, this gives the opportunity to students that they're

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just not getting now. >> So, and and shouldn't be a problem with codes or zoning and what stand. And again, that that's part of the development and stuff like that. I mean, we have enough land even if it's not on the projected spot we're talking about right now,

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>> we we'll find a spot. >> Okay. >> Yeah. And then again, the one by the tennis court, so it's right next to the building, the current building for East. >> So right there, >> but ultimately we still have the challenge of HVAC and both high schools buildings. >> I mean, just in general, we're going to

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need to replace stuff. Yeah. In the future. So like it's it's a never- ending cost for us with the number of buildings we have. But >> yeah, >> this could be a cheap option that gets a lot. >> It was not my idea. I'm just presenting. >> Whoever's idea it was, just take her

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So, truth be told with this is um when Howard and I were at CD High School um you know cuz Howard and I kind of think like in terms of how in in our district how do we do some what's the best benefit but what's the cheapest option to get what we need? And uh this was

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kind of his concept like hey Eric what about if we look outside and he and the technology teachers started going back and forth and at that point in time we kind of they started going outside to figure out what we could do. So, you know, a lot of this was Howard thinking through like what are some options, you

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know, academically, what we can do for kids, but it's also what are some options that he could handle um in his role to make sure he could get done. You know, we potentially were looking to the possibility of starting this for 2728 school year. Um so, the thought was is

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do we look at because we only have one building going on next year, do we add on to North Side, >> right? >> The borrowing of North Side to do it. Um, >> it doesn't sound like a lot to borrow. >> Maybe we'll get >> if we get the grant. Now, the grant

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obviously can't go to this, but if the grant if we do get the grant, then obviously that would definitely be a bonus for us. So, you know, with our with us talking together, we were trying to really what is an option where you can solve a lot of problems and there's there's huge capacity issues as self in

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high school. I mean, if you've walked in that building, when the bell rings, goodness grace, you better get up against a wall. Um because there's no place to go and his class size is kind of through the roof. The cafeteria part they we're going to have to figure out. I don't have an answer to that today. Um we potentially we're going to have to figure out what that solution is.

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>> That's a good idea because ultimately it expands the amount of space you even if we have to repurpose it. Absolutely. Um, >> and the the best part is you have a thousand kids who apply to Dolphin County Tech Center every year. Between 1,00 kids, half of them get in. So you

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have 500 kids who are walking into a high school. It's probably less than that because some of them probably go someplace else who go to someplace else or to high school and they're totally disengaged. >> Yeah. But what David said is true too because this is something cyber school couldn't >> correct. Although I I've heard that

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they're offering pilot classes online. I just wouldn't want to be on that airline. But I I I I think this is a a good idea, a solid idea because it's also it's tactile, man. And I I think I

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was surprised to see how it's really difficult to get into vote. >> Correct. Yeah. And you this this this is a hot topic right now. I mean, you have a lot of kids who are engaged in this. I know we did a survey about a year ago and um trying to see we

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were only looking at 10th graders who had interest in in this and between both high schools well over 100 kids. That was just 10th grade. We even look at 11th and 12th grade. >> Yeah. I mean, this is good. And Dave makes a point. I most a lot of people

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aren't uh you know, college material and a lot of people that are shouldn't go. I mean, because they're coming out of college with a debt and they're handicapped and it's it's good to hear that the kids were so in invested. >> Absolutely. Yeah. I wouldn't say the college materials have these college degrees are worthless. So, that's it's

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the difference. Some of the smartest people I know don't have college. Most successful people I know, I'd say three of the five people and the smartest people I know don't have a college degree just because they realize they're not going to get anything out of that degree. There's there's degrees that are important and there's degrees that >> we're just doing it to take it. >> That's Dave's opinion. It doesn't

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reflect the district's opinion on >> postgrad. >> Howard, did you did you uh did you stated because if you did, I didn't hear it. A total estimated cost you thought for two buildings >> and everything involved. >> Yes. Uh three uh 3.5 a piece to build.

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So 7 million there. And then an additional 1.5 a piece to furnish. So an additional three. So about 10 million overall. >> Just add two million just because of cost over >> historically. town is big, but if this is bundled, it's significantly less than

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any of our other borrowing for uh um air conditioning at the elementary schools. >> So here here's a question as you mentioned Linglestown, right? There's a ton of space at Linglestown. I know we use the fields, right? My lacrosse parents are going to kill me because there's fields right next to them, but >> like is there a version of this for classrooms that we can have right next

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to Lingletown Middle? It's different than a modular. It's a big space versus, hey, we need to expand to that school and it's going to it's probably going to cost 60 million at least. >> Yeah, there probably is. Dave, we we didn't we didn't go there yet. Um I think the one thing we have to determine

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is the capacity at Lingotown Elementary School to make sure whatever decision we make, we're making an informed decision. Um because we for I think three or four months ago, >> we're kind of thinking on a different path of what we were doing with the middle school. I think now it's a whole different conversation in terms of some

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of the things that kind of came out over us moving and shifting kids around and like it's not as dire a need as I think we all thought probably four or five months ago. So >> I could see this now at Linglestown Middle School um based on some information that's come out.

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>> Or what if like it's probably spot to think but make a pool barn gym right that has different things in there. repurpose the gym we have at that school, make those classrooms, right? Then you get the space in there and then this the gym is right outside of it and they just have

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to walk to them and they could have a you know the basketball court and some fields or whatever. They can do all kinds of sport in there. So like put a sport barn right next to it that's only going to cost a couple million dollars versus doing those kind of things and you just repurpose the gym. >> Yeah. It's kind of like a college campus fieldhouse. >> Yeah, exactly. And just get rid of the

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regular gym inside. >> Man, I mean that that's all doable. My my recommendation would have probably been along those lines or looking at some of the specialist areas and and them going outside. But that's all doable. I think like I said once we kind of looked at this and kind of looking at in terms of Howard's thoughts and when

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we created this I think you can go a lot of different ways with this. >> It's great stuff Howard. >> It is. And we're also blessed to have land. >> Absolutely. >> Yeah. >> I mean I Well, I don't want to criticize other school districts.

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Okay. So, what what do you guys need as the next steps? Is this something you wanted to make sure the full board sees and see what their thoughts are in general? >> Because I think um you know, Howard, I Howard and I kind of talk next steps and you know, we didn't know kind of where everybody would be at with it. So, we

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tonight's kind of just introducing it, but you know, if we want this potentially for 2728 um Howard to kind of talk through the process from here to now, what that would kind of look like. So that would be in concert with preK uh 2728 or

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>> Yeah, correct. To a certain degree and prek is not going to cost us anything. So right that that part's fine. But you know this would be kind of the only thing outside of north side we would have quote unquote new next year >> potentially. >> All right. >> And then the LA Go ahead. >> Do you want me to talk through the the

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steps? So again, um there there's two pathways. You can go um cooperative purchasing through Omnia or Co- stores or you go RFP. >> Um you go RFP, we're hiring a architect, engineer, um putting it out to bid,

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going getting low bid >> and faced with change orders or we go with cooperative purchasing. We hire whoever we want to use at that point. They assume all the development. um and execution. That way, if there's any

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issues with execution off of their development, they can hit us with change orders. That will always be my recommendation because change orders is is a swear word to me. >> We just I think we just did three at PennDOT uh for motorcycle training. So, I I I think they're a lot sturdier than

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I than I had anticipated. >> Um I think it's great thinking, whoever did it. Uh thank you. >> Okay. Um and then if you don't mind, so that was the last tech on the agenda. >> Um is the updates of can we go walk

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through all the different buildings that we have going on? Then any other summer projects? >> Sure. Um we'll start with the kindergarten centers, Blue Mountain Learning Center, uh site work is almost complete. Um the excavation of the playground is happening this month um with the installation coming in July. Um

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wall finishes are complete along with finish coat of paint and touch-ups. Ceilings are complete. Um tiles are actually being dropped. Um every now and then if you when you go and walk through it, you'll see some tiles out. That's due to HVAC balancing. Um flooring will

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be complete by the end of next week. Uh we are still scheduled to uh be complete by the end of May. Occupancy is dependent on Violia um the water company. Um they made us get a new meter pit for the building that is in production right now. Um, typically that

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production is about three weeks and then plus installation. Any questions on Blue Mountain? Moving on. Colonial Park, uh, the stair, if you, uh, drive by the the building, you'll see the stair uh, tower foundation. So, the stair towers are

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were exterior before on both corners of the building. Um, that does not meet code um, for a school building. So, we had to had to demo them. So, the new uh footers are in, the walls are being poured um currently are being laid and poured. Um and the windows should be in

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those stair towers by the end of the month with the stairs coming um beginning of June. Wall finishes are started with uh prime uh primer and first coat being complete. Um the new rooftop unit, rooftop air conditioning and heating units have been

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put in place already. Um site work continues. site work. There is a challenge due to the slope of the hill and the previous lot um actually emptied water into the building. Um so we're we're working through that scenario right now. >> Um >> do we have land with that building or is

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it just the building only? >> Uh we have a we have the parking lot behind it and the land in front of it. >> Like a corner it almost looks like kind of like a corner lot. Um as you drive by you'll see that the excavation for the playground is already complete with installation coming in July. Right.

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>> Um, same thing with the meter pit. Um, that meter pit has been approved and it is in production. So hopefully by middle of June we have it and it's installed. >> Either those first two, there's zero concerns about timeline finishing on time. >> There's zero no concerns about any of

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them. >> And I had I had a chance to walk them uh I asked Howard permission and I walked them on was Monday and um I came back and was doing a little happy dance in terms of seen Blue Mountain's almost done. like you could actually go in there and I could actually put Eric in a couple classes and teach him a couple

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things, but um Blue Mountain is like >> put me in the shed. >> Yeah. Um ready to go. So, little bit of excitement. Um I let Howard finished. But >> that's great news. >> Like it's it's coming along. It's really what looked like an office building six months ago. When I walked into Blue

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Mountain, I was like, "This feels like a school." >> Very cool. >> Um Union Deposit, which was our old admin building. Um, this is probably our most intensive renovation on the interior of a building. Um, so footers and new stair towers are being uh poured

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today. Um, the biggest challenge in there is the adding of the elevator. The footer is complete and we're actually getting the the elevator shaft complete by the end of this week. Um, again, elevator was a long lead item. That should be delivered to us by the end of

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June with installation being about 30 days and the manufacturer actually does the installation. So >> is this Tissson? >> Uh no, it's >> I mean >> it's kite or something. I I have to I have to look at it again. Um they were

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the only manufacturer a that answered um the RFP that the contractor put out and b the only one that could get it done before December of next year. Yeah. Uh same with meter pit. Um you you'll

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see continuing site work there um with the playground being installed again in the end of July. Um Executive Park. Um looks completely different outside. Um a lot of site work going on. The development of the bus loop is actually at grade. Um one of the first times I've

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ever seen a sinkhole in shale. Um, but they were doing they were doing the bus loop and and found a sinkhole. So, we were able to locate that early, fill it with concrete and uh it was solved within hours. That's just sheer um

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our contractors on the I I can't tell you how good our contractors that we have on these projects are doing for us. Um, again, it wasn't waiting for, you know, a change order. it wasn't waiting for me to say, "Hey, get this done." They hop on it, they get it done, and we

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didn't pay a single scent to get that that taken care of. So, again, hats off to CHN, the site guys there knocking it out of the park. >> That area has um I think it's a car from Palmyra through Chambers Hill. Um

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I'm assuming the rest of the property is secure. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Um inside of the building, um we have wall finishes. There's drywall um throughout the whole building. Drywall's finished. We have primer on every floor, all three floors. Um with the third

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floor, I guess they would call the second floor and the first floor um uh having uh final paint done on it with flooring in the bathroom. So, in each bathroom, instead of doing tile or anything uh like that, we we choose an epoxy finish. So, all that epoxyy's

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going in and looking looking really nice. Um you'll see um if you go by Executive Park um we are currently working on the electric um we needed new transformers from PPNL um if you've ever asked for a transformer PPNL it's much

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like getting new teeth um they rip out the old ones and and you wait about six months then you get the new ones um so we're working through that generators being installed new switch gear will be up and running there by mid June uh building and occupancy um I think the

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building will the interior of Executive Park will be done by mid June to end of June. Um, and if the weather remains the way it is, I think the exterior will be done uh along the same lines. If we end up with multiple rainy weeks, that could push it back. But again, there's no

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issue with with late August at all for school start. >> So, they're all going to hit target, be on time, and >> absolutely. >> All right. That's great work. How excellent, man. >> Appreciate it. Um, Paxton Elementary AC renovation, the demo started, so all the

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hallway ceilings came out. We're already running new duck work, new water lines, new electric. We started in some classrooms pulling ceilings out. Um, the staff and students have been fantastic. They they're really engaged with it. They they actually I think most of them enjoy seeing the progress. Um, and

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again, there's some some pain and disruption when when you come in one day, there's ceilings and and you come in the next and there's not. Um but overall both buildings have been handling it fantastic. >> It's just too much good news. >> I can give you some bad button. >> No, no, I'm okay. >> Um North Side of Babe and Linglestown

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Abbement obviously will start as soon as soon as school ends and we'll get that knocked out. And then we just had a meeting with train I believe it was well uh Tuesday might have been yesterday. I'm sorry my days are bleeding together. But we are at about uh 25% uh drawings

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for the development of the north side renovation project already. >> Yeah, that's remarkable. I mean, and that may in your opinion, would that be the most challenging out of the elementary schools? >> Um, no. >> Okay. >> Most expensive though, right? It's big.

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Um it it's going to be it's going to be the most expensive to date, primarily driven partially by square footage, but um all the the previous buildings we were able to do under electrical code 2018. Um moving forward um we have to do it under uh electrical code 2021.

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You're talking lighting controls and a whole lot other >> uh price drivers, if you will. That's that is going to increase the cost exponentially over over the over the previous ones >> with that north side. Are they what are they going to do with those kindergarten

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rooms? It's gigantic rooms with like a bathroom. Are we going to repurpose those for something? >> I would leave that to the curriculum side of things. >> Yeah. I don't know. I don't know if I think there's some there as classrooms that went there. Sarah, I don't I don't know if you can

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>> right there. You're right. The the kindergarten classrooms there are two kindergarten classrooms at North Side that are enorous. They're like this room. >> Yes, correct. Maybe even bigger. Yes. Um they're like built in the 50s. Huge. Um at this point in time, they are typical classrooms. They're not being

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repurposed, but there is some opportunity there. I guess if we were looking down the road like an as like make a special, you know, they never have enough space, right? So get them something lots of sensory stuff like that. It seems like that would be a great classroom. >> Yeah. Yeah. I was just thinking about as

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we're thinking of that, maybe we repurpose that into a really cool >> They have they have bathrooms in those. Uh >> some of them do. >> Yeah. >> Wow. >> No, I went in I've never seen a bathroom that small. >> Go ahead. I'm sorry.

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>> No, that's I think that's all the projects. >> What about anything else for the summer? Is there any other >> I there's there's always something. I mean, we're we're we're expanding um the East High Library classrooms uh by two classrooms to, I believe, bring out the

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gaming classes into new spaces so we can um uh use the other two as JOTC. Um we're going to between East Middle is very busy over the summertime. Um but um the the principal and the

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administration, the teachers there have been doing a fantastic job um as far as behaviors and stuff like that and and really um we're trying to refresh that building as as much as we can. So, we're going to take as much of the unoccupied space during the summertime, make sure

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we're patching, painting, doing, you know, repairs just to kind of bring it up to where it needs to be along with bringing a plan together um for over the next 18 months to take care of the other spaces that were occupied this summer that we couldn't touch. >> I forgot. But besides Paxonia, what is

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the other elementary? Okay, Phil. >> Um, >> your garden school. Yeah, man. >> It's actually funny. >> Yeah. Yeah. You have a technical class out

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there. See what we grow. Um so, um wanted to thank you Howard for the life fact. I think that's mostly implemented and I think that's a nice element. And also Chris wanted to thank your team, the administration uh so that we live stream. That's

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something we were looking to do for a while. You know, that's great. Um uh probably one of the more interesting topics would be landis field. Have we made any progress there about being people being able to use the field? >> We talked about at the beginning

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>> I thought that was a tennis courts >> for Yeah, we're we're looking at primarily summer use. >> No, I heard that that was that >> Yeah. Yeah. You mix those two together. >> Yeah. I need some rest. Uh,

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>> member of the public ready for you. Do you do you say anything? You just you're just listening. >> No, I was afraid of that. Okay. >> Some real simple ones. Uh, >> Bill, can you come up to the mic so we can hear you, brother?

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>> Yeah, you could sit right there and use the mic. >> Take a seat. >> Yeah. >> I was a young man. I was like, I'm standing now. I'm like, give me a chair. No, I did wonder, do you still per is there still a purchasing program through

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the GSA and uh the state the surplus? I used to purchase a lot of stuff there and some of the stuff is pretty good. I just don't know what the application is and what they have in stock because you have to have a person go there on a pretty regular basis and scope it out. Yeah, I'm pretty sure. Um, not to speak

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out of pocket, but I believe our current warehouse supervisor, Dara Oliver, looks at that sort. >> That's a good sort. Sometime sometimes they get rid of stuff that's really really good quality, heavy duty machinery, things like that. >> She does a great job of understanding our our need and kind of diving into the

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the surplus sites before we actually go out and look for new stuff. >> That that could be good if we do the if we do do that building out there. They probably have a bunch of shop equipment and stuff. So, that's a great >> uh some of the equipment is good. Yeah, >> built try lifting it. >> Oh my god, I have, you know, >> solid oak.

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>> Yeah, but anyway, that's a great idea. >> Yeah, the resource. And um one item I I'm working on and I I haven't had a lot of success on Rutherford Road as you come down past your where you're remodeling at the at the end of London Dairy on your but on your side of the

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road there's a collapsed uh inlet for water. you could easily break a it's a tib fib looking to happen or um the sidewalk is also in total disarray as you go back down to a road called garden as you head back towards Locust Lane. I

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have tried repeatedly uh PennDOT will tell you they only own from curb to curb or from white line to white line but when when I check the the state records the map they own the top of the embankments and so on. I just

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think it's really unfair for our students to have to walk down a sidewalk that's a complete disarray and they pass the buck. If the tax map says it's pendot property, it has PDH stamped all over it, then it's PDH. And I just think I I I did call Justin

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Fleming's office. They want me to take some pictures and send it in. But I mean I you know your influence on this board with the super I think is >> I'll send you a link for the next Tri County Planning Commission meeting that would be a great venue to raise the

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issue. >> Yeah. I just think that there I' I've had success on Colonial Road as you know and down trees. But somebody owns that land but three different people are point to the other guy. It's it's the homeowners. It's the states. It's it's the it's the utility. If there's polls there they keep passing the buck. The

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bottom line is you you have students walking there. >> Did you call Bill Weaver at OR Paxton? >> Uh in regard to >> this I mean you said there's a sewer grate, right? >> No, it's a storm inlet. >> Storm water. >> Just a storm water inlet and then the sidewalk

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and they didn't put any ADA uh you know the with the foot sensory pebble type surface. >> Is that on our property? >> Huh? >> Is it on our property or is it >> No, it it's the sidewalk. It it it touches it's the road the sidewalk. I can send you a picture. >> Please do. >> I have it because it's just

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>> it's ugly and it's been like that for years and I' I've asked and asked. Uh moving on. What else did I want to ask? Um one item uh over at North Side at Care Street on Devonshshire.

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You when you drive by I can't believe the plow guys didn't complain, the sidewalk guys, the uh you know the mowing guys. There is a large galvanized eyelet which was used for attention to go to a pole. It's been sticking out of

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there for a couple years. I did call over about this when nothing's happened. Um >> where was that? >> It's right there at Care Street and Devonshshire right where the sidewalk where the kids would cross over the road where that little knee wall is.

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And uh I've had situations in the past and we call them impalements waiting to happen. It's somebody could fall on that. It's it's pretty brutal. Uh you ask and ask, you dig down two feet, cut it off, and it's over. They're not using

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it. It's been abandoned. And on your same property as you head uh as you go down demon at the end of your I'm not going to call it the playground you have all that open green space and you come to the back of the houses on the first the first next street down there as

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you're heading towards Turkey Hill you have an electrical panel on two posts and it has pulled away. Now, when they pull away what's in behind there, uh, they're secured with fasteners, screws, and I have and I've

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done a lot of panels, and these screws are in there. So, I don't know if they could create a fault already. I don't know why it's in such disarray. I would I I'd feel comfortable if somebody who was qualified would look in and even

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pulling the cover on that box >> on our property. >> Yes. >> And there could be loose hardware. My point is there could be loose hardware in there. kid hits a ball, they get out and they touch a thing or hey, let's shake this thing. Uh, it's just been like that for a while. And >> that's like the east side of the property.

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>> It would be on the east side that the backyard of that on the first house, but it's still on your turf. >> Got it. How do you know where that's at? Are you looking at? >> Yeah, I I can look at it. I don't believe it is on our property, but I can take a look. >> Well, if it isn't, you know, you can let

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Eric He'll let me know. I'm I'm curious as to whom it belongs because then then it should go to uh codes in the township to be fixed. I saw one on an apartment building. It was fixed within a week. I mean, >> would you talk with Nick at LP?

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>> No, I I I I thought I should come here first, you know, follow a chain of command. I'll check it out. >> If it's yours, it's yours. Not. It's not. And then what else did I want to ask? I the I missed everything about I should have come to the first part about the

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curriculum, but the the tech curriculum you have, what do they offer in the high school for students? You have a Cisco program there. >> I I can't speak to that right now without >> Okay. Well, sometimes the students, they don't want to go to vote, but they want

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some tech. And we had written a curriculum where we had an A+ certification, then a C++ certification, and then Cisco 11th and 12th. You did did well in the first two years. Uh you could then take the Cisco and it helps students. They they they have more of a

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mindset. They're academic and you know Cisco is a whole another order of thinking. So, I just didn't know if you're looking for options for students and you have the space in the building and you have tech people, it might not it might be a it might be a viable option.

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>> Did you listen to the earlier discussion on what we were going to do at Central Dolphin and Central East >> a little bit? Yeah. >> Yeah. So, we approved a techn construction technologies course in January. Uh that's going to be used at both high schools. Um, now that's

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getting the kids prepared for the potential of internships and to be able to get out into the workforce. Uh, and there's going to be certifications that kids will be able to to earn through going through that course. Now, the specifics as you've asked at that level of detail, but I do know uh, we just did

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approve a course for both high schools and >> Yeah, I was trying to read I was trying to find the course catalog online. >> It was approved in January of this school year. Uh, I know Hershey offers AutoCAD also to some of their students and that's

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that's that's it's a pretty good deal because they they can use that in applications in college and grad school. I mean, you're drawing your things up, your your physics, your chemistry, your biology. >> I think we have some we bought some of those computers that are really expensive because you need like the high class. >> Yeah, correct. Because they need the the

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uh power for the desktop. They didn't work on the Chromebooks. Those were >> so we do at both high schools. We have multiple different tech classes at different levels. But the big thing is in terms of of of finance and physical plant, you're all these buildings. I mean, I'm I I agree with the air

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conditioning. I you're not there's no argument for me about what you need for the for the students. I mean, it's the age we live in. But as you build more buildings, uh you know, these developers, I'm of an opinion, the developers have a right to

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develop. It's their deal. And I guess the school district obviously has to provide the educational opportunities for the all those young people. The problem is what I'm seeing. Uh they're doing a lot of building in Dolphin right now. Uh West handover is doing a lot of construction.

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>> Middle Paxton too. They're under >> That's what I meant. Middle PA. >> Well, Dolphin as well. They're under the same zoning protocol. So when you have these these seven municipalities >> and you're going to have a planning commission then the supervisors approve

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it. But yeah, the thing is how how is Central Dolphin going to react to providing those educational spaces if people keep on oh we're and what I'm seeing in some places it looks like it's

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just being approved and approved and approved. I'm of an opinion where if you have these seven municipalities and I I did bring it up at the supervisor's meeting the other day. >> We talked about it at the planning >> and the planning commission and I went to the supervisors uh and I mentioned it

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there too to plant that seed on both. But because it goes from your you guys to them, but I just think that all these municipalities have to start talking a little bit more. >> So we uh so we've met with every everybody. So we've had representatives.

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I live in West Hover, right? So we went there, we actually did a presentation at a public board meeting. So we've gone to each one of them. We've explained our capacity issues. We talked about maybe developer impact fees, right? We asked them to stop just, you know, they have zoning and then all of a sudden they're like, oh, you know, all these million

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waiverss and all of a sudden now they have twice as many homes as they're supposed to have there. So we've had a lot of conversations like you can't just keep approving all these things. It's their land. They get to do it. It's America, right? But you can't just keep saying, "Oh, you can do whatever you want and just add stuff." And we've seen that. And so we actually have seen some push back. West Hover. Um they just

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denied a they denied a plan um in West Hover recently because they were just trying to do different things and like sneak stuff in. So I think there's a lot of that happening now and there's a lot of awareness that we are maxed out and we got a 1200 unit home coming in lower Paxton that's going to absolutely crush us if they get

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>> which is the 1200 >> Wri >> the the Wenwick Street. >> Oh wri yeah the 750 and the 750 they keep forgetting that they keep forgetting to mention phase two which I mentioned. Yeah, I think we can take some of those. I mean, it it's a point well taken and I talked to you in the

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commission meeting and the district has been aggressive. It's about establishing relationships with municipalities and as you noticed at the planning commission, I thought uh West Han over in lower Pton should sign anou and why not LP and Swadera. So,

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>> I think the meeting you were at, the Prawl Farm was being discussed and they thought as a right they should get 350 units. I'm not seeing it, but they wanted a text amendment to get additional units, but those units would only be >> 55 or above, which is really hard to

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enforce. So, um, I asked them to contact me. I gave my information so that they can meet with Mr. Turman, uh, because to their credit, they said, "Hey, you know, we want to know what, you know, your concerns are >> and you guys have beat me to the punch here." Uh, I just think that all these

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all the some of these other municipalities don't want to play ball. They want to they they think they're going to get a lot of money out of, well, we're going to have more structures. We're going to have more buildings, more taxes. More taxes equal more costs. A phenomenal amount of costs. >> Well, people aren't going to move to the

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area if the school district is not good. >> Well, that's correct. And it, you know, we want to maintain the class size, the ratio, student teacher at a certain level, Bill, but when it's by right, um, and Dolphin Middle Paxton is I don't know if they're have more than West hand

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over. >> Yeah. I I just feel that the planning commission and and and the supervisors in each municipality, if they're if they're on the same page, they can control it. But I I think if all seven were chatty, you're going to have a handle on it because you're supplying

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the education to all those students and you know, one guy one person's they're more a little more self-centered than the next and it's it's it then it it skews it. >> I think it's tough to I mean one guy who's not long longer on one of the planning I said hey you guys are killing us like just pro he's like that's a

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school board problem and walked away. I was like are you kidding me? Like this is all of our problems right? It's so there there's different personalities. There's different things. But we are I mean each one of us have different regions, different >> We don't want to tax people out of their homes. And that's the one thing. >> Yeah. We have our elderly population. We don't want to continue

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>> raising their taxes because then they can't afford to live here. >> So I I just I thought I'd bring that up. That's just I I really worry about other people and I help a lot of people and I'm a little concerned. >> Well, you heard me at the planning commission. I have no idea how they're going to handle addition additional load

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on Colonial Park and I think they said maybe Earl Drive which is not realistic or maybe Devon Manor. So I mean for us you know I advocated I'm waiting to hear from them. >> We're fortunate to have you you you wear hats in different areas and that

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compendium of expertise I think is going to help us a lot. >> Yeah. Don't stop. You know keep >> I'm gonna have to look up. It's it's >> Oh, I'm involved. I need that. >> Yeah. No, it's it's it's it's important. >> Yeah, it is. We all have to work together because we're all stakeholders

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in this tour's been on like podcasts and like we've been talking to the community. So, like Bill Bostic and there what is it called this and that, you know, we've been on those podcasts. We're trying to get the message to the community as well. >> I didn't see you on >> but you remember when we wrote a grant

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uh Swan for the Route 39 corridor study? None of it was acted upon and that went from Suscuana to East Hanover. So the thing you're talking about we really can't solve. You know we can do what we can from our vantage point but people

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tend to be parochial and you know it's hard to get folks to work together. >> Yeah. Well at least you put the thought out there and people know that this is available to them. start chatting because if they don't start soon, it's

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going to be like I say, it's really out of balance. And my hats off to you because this is a this is a big road. This is a this is a big one. >> All right. Well, send me the pictures. We'll call >> I will. I will. That's the motion. Safety is pretty important. >> Okay. I'll take care. Okay. >> Thank you.

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>> All righty. I think that's all we got. Anybody else? You're the only one. Eric at a board meeting or we just It's just presented to them. >> They're not asking for a vote on it at the >> rolling out to the community. >> Yeah. So, but there's going to be a process just like we do for North Side

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and the schools where if we're going to commit to it, we're going to have to commit to it at some point because then there's a process after that. >> Look, it it it's a great idea. Uh it solves a number of problems. Providing tech skills, increasing enrollment, the financial is not compared to a building

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>> is is not not a lot. Yeah. >> All right. Motion to adjurnn. >> A motion. >> I think I have to second. >> Yeah. But I want to point out I think your meeting went longer than my meeting. It did. Sure did. >> All right. Favor. Hi. Hi. I think they ended at the same time.