Are we ready? >> We are ready. >> Welcome everyone to tonight's planning commission meeting. Um we'll start with uh commissioner reports. Um well I guess univers
thanks chairman Schwarz. Uh so just I have a brief update just on some ongoing uh work that's associated with our capital projects. Uh so the first one is going to be the Virginia guest house which is the u the hotel and conference center be the flagship property um at
the university for our guests and that will be substantially complete in early 2026 which is exciting and it'll have a big grand opening uh in April. So more to come as that takes shape. Uh the KH Institute of Democracy that is going to be wrapping up in the fall of 2026 which
um that project as you can see when you drive on Ivy's uh making great great progress. second year student housing which is immediately adjacent to the guest house and the Kian Institute of Democracy that is going to be a fall of 2027 opening and so that is starting to come out of the ground. Um and then we
have Darden student housing which again that too is the fall of 2027. So moving down to parking we have the North Grounds garage. So the Fontaine Garage is open. The North Grounds garage will be the fall of 2026. And then uh quick update on Sycamore Hill. That's
the property that was pre previously known as the Federal Executive Institute that's currently going through some mold remediation. There's general refreshes, safety and accessibility issues that are being addressed with the uh the hope to have uh first classes and residences in the fall and the primary users of that
will be the ROC in the school of continuing and professional uh studies. So, uh, Fontaine zero combustion energy plant that is, uh, that includes 100 geo exchange wells that are 800 ft deep each. So, that, uh, that will be, uh,
that's nearing completion and we're hoping to see that up and running this winter. Um, Oaklan, that lease has been finalized and it's now currently with the city for review. So, that's all. >> Thank you.
>> I don't have anything to report. Um the I missed the tree commission meeting, but I know what they were working on. Um they've been doing tons of work prepping for the state of the forest report they do every year. Um, so
I know they're working hard on that and they're still working continuing to work on um a kind of educational brochure for developers in ter hoping to keep more um existing trees in the mix and how to how
to plan for that. Um I also went to a parks and wreck meeting where like we finally finished going through all the bylaws. Um, so there was still a lot of like internal talk in that meeting and had two great interviews with potential new
commissioners. >> I've been teaching a new course at the university called World Heritage Trail, uh, which had the, uh, big public pinup today. uh mostly wrestling with how to have safe transportation between the city uh and Montichello across
Interstate 64, which is hard. Um a couple of interesting ideas that I'm hopeful about uh and I'll share more information when when I have it. Right. So, uh for the first time in my 12-year tenure, I missed a hack meeting.
So I don't uh have anything to report there except there was a discussion of their 2026 work plan. Uh TJPDC met last week. Uh the really only salient piece there is there is a funding opportunity
under safe streets for all for all of our various localities and TJPDC staff has already poked the constituent staffs staffs um and uh there is sort of uniform
interest for moving forward with that. The idea being that uh the consolidation of this in one supervisory grant is going to get a lot farther and everyone else scrapping over it. Um other than that, just as a housekeeping note, in
this case, a literal housekeeping note, TJPDC's uh offices are being rened starting um now and uh they're going to be 100% virtual and out of the office. It's not that anyone stops by sort of randomly to
discuss regional planning, but if you do, that's not going to work. Um, so just be aware of that and that'll be through sometime in February, except it's going to take longer than that. Um, I had two meetings this month. Uh,
first I had LUP in November. Uh, there was an update on all the various transportation studies uh that you guys are familiar with, the stars and pipeline studies. Um, and then there was a kind of a lengthy discussion of all of the projects that are finally breaking ground almost all in the next two years.
Um, and kind of how to coordinate between VOTE and contractors and the city um, as all of those happen. Uh, because there's going to be projects happening, road work happening all over. Um, and so, uh, there was pretty lengthy
discussion about how to coordinate it internally and in public messaging. Um, it sounds like there will be follow-up meetings, uh, to, uh, get some actionable, uh, improvements there, um, in advance of these major projects
beginning uh, next year. Um, so then I had uh, MO Tech uh, last week. Um, we covered a few topics. Uh, one is that we're really narrowing down what we're going to be doing for Smart Scale
round seven. Um, where, uh, I think I've I've said before what the potential projects are. Um, you've got the barracks and 29 interchange, how to improve that. Alway will be submitting a shared path further
west on barracks. Um you've got uh the in the city uh our one project our first smart scale application in quite a while. Uh the ridge and main uh project that's coming out of the star study that's underway. Um there was something
of a discussion of what uh one project that could be kind of on the bubble would be. Uh that since the gets four submissions there's kind of five under consideration. Um but there are essentially widenings of the 250 bypass in the vicinity of Old Ivy. Um whether
widening the southbound or lengthening the southbound off or the northbound and connecting that on-ramp to Leonard Sandbridgeidge where that off-ramp begins. Um, I think in the end or once
they started getting out there and and doing uh analyses, it turned out that the one that they expected to be in worse condition was actually in better condition than the other. Um, and so they uh kind of flipped it. Um, there were probably two other projects
given that I said three and I said five. Uh, but not coming off the top of my head. Um, probably refer back to my earlier reports from previous months. nothing to report. >> All right. Um at the uh BA meeting uh
last month, we um there weren't any projects of uh significance, but um we did spend some time speaking with staff uh trying to um give some guidance for um the RFP that's going to go out for updating our guidelines. So um progress
um hopefully we'll see where that goes. Um uh does NDS have any anything to report? >> Chair, I just wanted to give an update on we had our work session with y'all last month regarding the tier 2 amend tier one and tier two amendments. Very
productive. Staff has been very busy incorporating that feedback from the work session and we anticipate coming for a public hearing. very very lengthy ad we've been working on for January 13th for the public hearing is what we're aiming for.
Um all right. Uh so now is u uh matters to presented by the public not on the formal agenda. So this is um you can speak on anything except for the CIP. Um, do we have any um Well, Dan, would
you mind moderating this? >> Sure. So, I guess we'll start with any members in the audience. If anyone in the online audience would like to speak, they can raise their hand in the Zoom application. But are there anyone Is there anyone in person who would like to
speak for matters of the public? See no raise hands. >> Great. Um, I guess we'll move on to the uh consent agenda, which includes our minutes from October 14th, 2025. Um, a request for initiation of a zoning text amendment and zoning map amendment at 801 West
Street and a uh resolution establishing a regular meeting schedule. >> Um, chair, I move we approve the agenda, consent agenda. >> Second. >> Um, all do we need a roll call or can I just do all in favor? All in favor?
Any opposed? Any abstensions? All right. Um, now I think we wait until six o'clock for council to arrive. >> I guess before we recess, I just remembered one thing I did want to add to my uh report. Uh, one piece of news
that came out of all that, the projects breaking ground next year, uh, is that, uh, the Fontaine bundle, which includes the hydraulic roundabout and other things, um, went out to bid and came in a little bit under the expected budget.
Um, and so if you recall, uh, there was a gap between the city's Fontaine streetscape project that went to the city line and the, uh, MO Fontaine interchange project. there was about 400 feet of gap in what's like a mile long
project. Um, and so they're hopeful that they can address the gap. Um, if we figure out what we want to do with it, >> just a clarification, you said the Fontaine bundle, but then you said the hydraulic roundabout. >> The Fontaine bundle for VOTE includes a
bunch of stuff. It's uh it's the Fontaine, both Fontaine projects. It's removing the left off of northbound 29 onto westbound 64. It's the hydraulic district roundabout. Uh I think there might be one more >> route 53.
>> Yeah, it's 53. >> Okay, >> makes sense. All right. Um we will reconvene at 6. >> Rory, this is your last meeting. >> It is. So we have
Commissioner Mitchell, you're holding this up. >> All right. in person and then like 20 to 25. >> Uh Mr. Mayor, uh does council have a quorum? >> We do have a quorum. Counselors, um Austrian, Payne, Snook, and Wade are
present. Great. >> And uh clerk, she is on virtually, so that I wanted to let her know who was present. >> All right. Um welcome back everyone. Um this is the start of our public hearing on the the CIP. And just as a to let everyone know how this is going
to go for public comment. Um we're going to have staff present. Then the commission is going to ask questions and only questions. We're going to keep our comments till later. Um I'm going to allow council to ask any questions. And once all that's done um it'll be time for public comment. Um all right. Um
whoever is uh presenting from staff um Mrs. Haml floor is yours. >> Thank you. Good evening. Um, so tonight we're going to have a public hearing on the CIP. A lot of um or everything you're going to see tonight is what we talked about at your
last meeting for the work session. This may be the first time that council is seeing a draft of the CIP. Um so I will quickly go through these slides um talk about what is in there and then I'm going to leave most of the time um for you all to discuss and um eventually you
will be coming to uh use this meeting to um be making a recommendation to the city manager um for what you would like to see in the CIP. So, with that, um, we're going to look at a five-year, uh, draft plan, uh, look at the planned
revenues and expenditures by category, and then, as I said, we'll leave it open for questions. Um, I have a lot of, um, I phoned a lot of friends and I have a lot of subject matter experts here tonight, so um, hopefully we'll be able to answer any questions that you might
have. So, if we take a look at the five-year plan, um you'll see that this plan is um basically every year is balanced. Um revenues must uh balance to expenditures. This plan um looks to fund
the CIP with roughly $153 million of bonds. Uh just over $44 million of transfers from the general fund in terms of cash. Um we are using some of the CIP contingency funds to balance the CIP. Um
and then some of the other um contribution from schools. That's just a regular contribution that they make for their small cap program. And the $40,000 is for PEG fees uh that comes from the state that we use for the public access studio.
If you were to look at the expenditure categories um as these projects fall in line over the five years, if you were to look at the um if you were to say you were budgeting based on your priorities
um in in order education comes in first, transportation and access comes in second and affordable housing comes in at third. Um so looking at the revenues a little more in a little more granular detail. Um
again uh the general fund each year we have a financial policy that requires that we transfer at least 3% of the general fund to um as cash to the CIP, excuse me. And um mostly the majority of
our CIP is to be funded with bonds. As we start going through these categories, you will see that um there are some highlights here. Um just quickly, if it's a green highlight, that is an indicator that it reflects a
change from what was in the plan last year. So in this case for HVAC in particular, uh last year that was in the budget at 750,000 a year. this year is reflecting um just over a million and a quarter.
Um if it's in yellow in red, that means that what is the number that's reflected here is what the departments have submitted um but it is still being reviewed and under discussion with the city manager. And then if there's something in blue, it means it was added
completely um as a new project. And there aren't many of those in here yet. So, um I think from the notes we sent you a list of all the new requests that were submitted from departments and many of those we're still reviewing.
Um but in the education category, excuse me, we are at just on uh $15.6 million in FY27 or 61.3 million for over the five years. Um one notable change you'll see here is for the Walker PreK
program. Um last year that was in the CIP at about 30 million. Um you'll also see noted that Oaklan is TBD. Um and we have added based on cost estimates and things that we know now, we have added some additional funds um to that
project. Any questions? Oh, excuse me. Uh, McGuffy is one of the new, sorry, one of the new projects that were added. Um, that roof um needs to be replaced and so that was
added in. >> So, what >> it's a trick, >> Chissy. I got it. >> Oh, you got it. >> Yeah. >> Thank you. >> So, what what project did you say we've added funds to? >> Uh, he we had skipped um Oh, I'm sorry. Which projects have we added to? You
said what's >> I'm sorry. >> You Yeah. >> Um >> Mike, do you want to talk about >> Good evening. Uh if you've been following the conversation about the
prek center or the early childhood uh learning center for basically the new preschool, we had originally planned on putting that at Walker uh and still may. It's still a conversation, but uh we've been offered a piece of property at
Oaklan, which is right next to the Buford or our uh Charlesville Middle School. So there's some conversation about moving the program to that site. Uh so that's why it's sort of a a maybe. Uh the change in the value of that
project doesn't have anything to do with the sighting though. That's just a side item that's happening at the same time. >> No worries. Um so skipping to the next category, facilities capital projects. Um there is a new project here, the McGuffy roof replacement. Um that's
programmed in the out years. Um that is something that came to our attention in this cycle. And then again um just as we increased the funding for HVAC on the school side, we also um increased that uh on the city side as well.
Public safety and justice. Um here we're at 1.8 8 million uh for FY27 or 6.6 million over the 5 years. Um there are basically no changes um to any of these categories with the exception of the uh
mobile data terminals and that was basically a change based on um their replacement cycle and a few cost changes. transportation and access. Um, again, not a lot of changes here um from what was in the plan last year except for you
will notice that new sidewalks. There is a um quite a bit of additional funding that was added here as an investment. Uh we also um added a to your packet a list of the tier um projects and the um the
funding for those by year. Um, Dominion Power Pole remediation that was something that was new that was added. Um, that is to purchase uh largely purchase easements or rideways for moving the poles. Um, the bus
replacement that those numbers were changed just to basically um reflect the cost of the buses. Uh, no changes in terms of alternative fuels or EV. This is just our normal bus replacement and the the cost of buses um this is our
match to the federal and state dollars that we get for that. Uh it was a slight change on an annual basis and the rightway a pertinance in the his um was a slight increase and then the historic district um that money was a slight
increase but it was spread over a couple years and we've moved that forward to get some work done uh earlier. Um, one thing as we're here, um, we've gotten a lot of comments on the, uh,
bike infrastructure. Um, and so Ben Chambers is going to come and, uh, speak to that a little bit. >> Good evening. Ben Chambers, transportation planning manager with NDS. Um, so you'll see on uh, this proposed budget that we don't have a
change to our bike infrastructure fund. We're holding it constant at 100,000. um for FY27 through FY31. Um we don't want to show this as this is all we're spending on bike infrastructure over the next five years. We currently, if you
look at our budget explorer, have about a million sitting in this fund right now and we have about $800,000 worth of that programmed out through the rest of this fiscal year. Um, we're programming that out on things like the Fifth Street cycle track, the Rose Hill Drive
restriping and repaving planning work that we're starting up this winter, and a protect protected bike parking pilot that we'll be looking at in the spring. Um, so this will leave us with about $200,000 to carry over into FY27 along with the $100,000 that we're proposing
for this uh fiscal year. Um, we'd be looking at supporting planning for West Main Street and Cherry and Elliot as we're working through the repaving and utility work on those corridors. Um, we're also going to be working with utilities and with our public works partners to make sure that those
corridors are uh safe to to go through as they're under construction. Um, so as we're finalizing designs on those utilities and repaving projects, we're also finalizing maintenance of traffic uh plans that account for bicycle and pedestrian movement. Um, I'd also like
to note that along with doing a lot of uh bike work with the existing funds that we have, uh, we're also going to be figuring out what the network looks like in the future. We have $750,000 that has been appropriated by council to start the development of a city-wide transportation plan. Um, which will help
us figure out what we what we will need to invest in next. Um, while we are pulling that together, uh, we're doing scoping of that over the spring and we'll be doing planning through that uh, for FY27 and 28. While we're doing that, we're also going to be looking for
opportunities to align with any repaving or utility work that's going on um, and may come to you in the future. saying we need additional funds, but for now I think we have the the funds that we need to move forward with the work that we have. Any other additions for that? >> No, I was just going to add, you know,
one thing about this too is that um Sam has spoken a lot about uh trying to move away from more of these lumpsum accounts to more specific projects. Um, and so part of that will come out of this planning that Ben just spoke of, as well
as, um, you know, any of the projects that are bonded because we don't sell the bonds until we're actually ready to do the project or the project is underway. Um, we don't have to build up a savings account, per se. Um, as long as we are accounting for that in the
future plans, um, it's, you know, don't be alarmed that it's only 100,000. We promise you we're working on that and we will be coming back. Um, and there will likely be changes in the CIP whether it's this year or next year. Um, but first, as Ben alluded to, we're trying
to spend down that the the funds that are available now um to get that work underway. Similar to what we did with the sidewalks, you know, many times we were here and we had lump sums in the new sidewalk account. you know, many times as Sam alluded to in the uh work
session, he was saying, "Please don't give me more money. We can't do the work." Um, very similar uh situation to where we are uh with bike pit, but we I'm excuse me, bike infrastructure, but we are working on that and you'll be seeing more in the future for sure.
Parks and Recreation. Um did you have a question? I'm sorry. >> So um I guess I have two questions. Um, one is are we absolutely certain that what's in the remaining in the account plus this 100,000 for next fiscal year
will carry us through all of our needs for fiscal year 27 without any possibility of any of those projects you just mentioned being >> I can't give you 100% certitude because we're still working with utilities and with public works to identify the
project schedules for West Main and and Cherry and Elliot but we do think that $300,000 is going to be a pretty good starting point and probably wouldn't be able to advance much planning beyond that. >> Okay. Then the second question is, is there funding on the operational side or
funding needs on the operational side that are limiting our capacity to do more projects like this and get more of that money out the door to build infrastructure like we saw with sidewalks, building up our in-house concrete crew, and improving our capacity within project management in
public works. Um, are there funding requests or funding needs for the operate operating budget uh that could potentially increase our capacity there? >> We haven't identified any of those needs at this point. We're still trying to figure out what that network needs to be before we identify the staff that's
needed to implement it. >> Okay. >> Anybody else have any questions? >> Um, okay. So, parks and wreck um were just a little over 2.7 million in 27 and 14.2 million for the five years. Um
you'll notice there's multiple yellow uh highlights in this area. Um all of these are sort of um just lump sums that uh we have requested uh specific project lists from the departments and uh we are in
the process of uh holding meetings for departments to come back and discuss that and make uh uh proposals to SAM. So those numbers will likely change um as we get more specifics for how those dollars will be spent. um the city county park maintenance
account that was a new request that uh was received from the county. Uh traditionally we have had this line in the CIP and it we share the costs for uh parks such as Dardentown 50/50 and generally they spe they identify a
project they bill us we budget for the 50%. In this case, they've asked us for um to sort of designate a lump sum account to address small maintenance things similar to um our small cap projects that we have for facilities.
So, that is a new request and we are waiting just a little bit more information on that. Um but that um that's why that one is highlighted. And then the uh parks and school playground um that was increased just slightly
based on their work plan. Affordable housing um not a lot of changes here. Carl mobile home um was changed. Uh you may recall in the CIP last year um those numbers were much bigger in the early years u million plus
um at the time we were working on the CIP last year their financing was not complete that has since been completed um and these uh dollars here reflect the actual payments that will be um the the loan payments that PHA will be making
during that time and there is a balloon payment in FY30 which is why the big number is there technology infrastructure uh these are just small dollars the the public access TV is the 40,000 which comes from the
PEG fees that I mentioned earlier in the revenues the citywide IT infrastructure um that is an account that we use to leverage uh different um you know information technology opportunities
that arise um We've used this uh to um to help when we uh move forward with our asset management system. Um we've moved this when we uh move forward in midyear with a procurement system. We've used it
to purchase TVs uh forformational purposes for different places throughout the city. Um that's generally what those dollars are used for. And then the voting equipment um replacement that is the I think that was the second year um
of funding that um those equipment needs to be replaced um next fiscal year. So that is the plan. Those are the details. As you know, we're having the public hearing tonight. You all will use this time um to ultimately make a
recommendation to the city manager and then the CIP will be proposed um as part of the overall budget and presented to council on March 2nd. And so with that, I'll I'll leave you here for any questions or discussion
that you may have. >> Thank you. Um planning commission, um I guess we'll start with uh if anybody has any additional questions. Um, if you don't mind, I'm just going to go left to right or my left to right again. So, um, Commissioner Droids, do you have any questions?
>> Uh, no questions from the university. Thanks. >> Um, I do have one question. Um, so you know on the bike projects in the past we were kind of amassing funds in an account for this and we weren't really
able to spend it or didn't have the capacity to spend it on projects and we're trying to move away from that to where we have like the sidewalks projects which I think is a great example. We have a list of actual projects and then this is what we're funding. Um the I'm looking at the
budget explorer and so just like looking back at the at fiscal year uh 26 we had 60 million in new funding and then 201 million in prior years unexpended funding. So like several times more funds coming from prior
years. Is that is that typical? Is that what we want to see or are we trying to move away from that having so much coming from from prior years? Great question and thank you for looking at the um budget explorer. So there's a couple things going on there. Um
typically we would not like to have two over $200 million sitting unspent. Um that number seems like a big number. However, um a large percentage of that is related to our VOT projects that um are large federal and state dollars. Um,
and so as we budget those projects, we have to put the full budget in with the expectation of those dollars. As you know, we've been working on that portfolio to move those projects um along. Um, we're well on our way with that. And so, we do anticipate that um
you'll see that balance start to fade away. However, as we embark on larger and larger projects such as $46 million for um you know a prek center, it just will depend on what projects are in the
CIP. But the VOTE numbers are largely what's driving that 2011. >> Okay, thanks. That's helpful. Um that's I don't have any other questions at this time. >> Um I don't have any new questions.
uh we all got to ask a lot of questions in the work session. Um so I guess my only thought was like on the not only thought but one of my thoughts was um and the on the affordable housing side and probably other topics
um in the future it would be interesting to have um a work session just on a particular topic. Maybe not each department because parks and wreck has its own, you know, maybe we don't need to do each department, but on some of the topics,
um it would be interesting to have some of the constituents that are in, you know, usually listed as taking some of the funding um in the room just to kind of hear what's going on in the larger picture um
from, you know, all the different levels of subsidies that are available to to offer. So, um that's a kind of a comment. I think that would be, you know, we don't need to get into the school situation, like, you know, we don't need to do everything, but I think
in that one in particular, there were questions about the um the funding coming in from some big new projects in town, and it would be interesting to have just a like a session with everyone involved. Yep. Great, great suggestion.
In fact, uh Sam has been using the 4 PM sessions with council um to address some of those. And there is one coming up on housing >> 15 >> 15th. Okay. Um it that is mostly staff presentation, not the actual agencies.
>> Uh it's presentation. >> Yeah. But we can send you that schedule, too. I mean, we've already had some um but we could definitely share that schedule with you. >> Well,
I have a few. I understand we were pretty far along on the Walker design for the prek building. How far back does the Oaklan switch push us in time? Uh would it be appropriate to push the funding back a year and pull something else ahead? Uh that's a good question. Um
the uh the Walker site was not quite through uh schematic design, so we were not all that far down the road. Um there is a delay, but because of the way that we do scheduling for projects,
typically in kind of one-year increments, so that we land right at the end of a summer, um we actually aren't experiencing a delay directly associated with the Oaklan thing. Uh there was an earlier delay associated with the FBI uh
debacle, you might recall. Um and it's kind of that same year that we're working through now. So, um I don't believe it makes sense to switch the the order of the projects just because we're already back into design. Um we're doing
site examinations of the Oaklan site so that we can uh take over that site and know what we can do with it as soon as it's available to us. Um so, we are at work. It's just a different kind of work. And yeah, it's a step back, but hopefully we'll reuse as much of that uh
design process, if not the actual drawings as we can. >> Thank you. >> I went back and read the notes from the 1975 city council meeting where the uh current McGuffy arrangement was made. >> I I I was not yet born, I'm afraid.
Uh council was concerned about leaving the historic property vacant and possibly losing it. So, they established a committee to study the matter. uh and they recommended the current approach understanding it would cost about $100,000 upfront in today's dollars uh to to make it happen. Uh could we do a similar committee uh today to look at
this issue? Uh could we look at a hybrid option like we have at Jefferson School where many community needs are addressed with modernized facilities? I I list a a number of possibilities. Uh two acres downtown worth $10 million is potentially useful for many public purposes.
>> I defer to your friends on council So the question is um will we consider another committee? Um yeah I mean I don't see why not but I'm not I'm not going to make that commitment now. Will definitely something to to look into. We love
committees here in this community always. Thank you. >> I like saving money. Uh I see a couple ideas on the uh sort of what one might call an unfunded list uh that save money. Uh solar and HVAC jump to mind.
Um if we did say want to uh recommend funding for those uh my understanding is that they would increase our overall capacity to deliver capital projects going forward. Um and is my math right? >> Um in terms of
energy savings, is that where you're going with that? Exactly. >> Yeah. Um so I think for HVAC we did uh increase the funding um you know over a million dollars each year if you look at both the school and the facility
accounts. Um solar um though you know we do have several installations um we uh they're new so we're still looking in terms of what those cost savings would be. Um we're also looking at um you know other alternative ways to get solar such
as PPA and those other things. So certainly I think there's an energy savings with solar. Um I think devil's in the details in terms of you know cost benefit of those. Um but we are certainly looking at all those options. I don't know if that answers your question.
>> Gets me there. Thank you. >> Okay. >> This is sort of a general question. Can we speak to the uh outy years on housing and we're looking at at least on the CIP side a drift down? I understand that some of that presumably is caused by
these major capital projects coming to an end. Uh presumably we will be replacing those major capital projects coming to an end with new ones, but it looks like we've got a fairly precipitous drop. Um, is that sort of a follow on to Sam's
preference not to be accumulating huge savings when we don't exactly know when we're spending it and how it aligns to our 10 million a year commitment? >> Do you want to say I could say some things, but do you want talk about this more comprehensively?
>> I I'm not sure I have much to say. Um, so I I'm I I guess I'm going to answer first that it's that this is probably an indication that we just don't have projects lined up at this point in time. I will note that the $10 million a year
uh objective set in the affordable housing plan was for 10 years, right, >> for hund00 million >> and we're coming to an end to that. >> We are coming to end of that. Now, that's no one said that was a and that no one said that was that I think that's been often referred to as a as a as a starting point and we've certainly
treated as such. But um uh I I can assure you we haven't put a door a sign on the door that says close for business. >> So, right. >> And I'm sorry. I just want to chime in. I know that we've had discussion as to whether that needs to even be higher. I
mean, because of inflation and things. So I I don't think it's going to >> this is not a to continue it on. >> Well, I was just looking at our 10 and it does. So I guess is 31 year 10? Is that what it is? Or is 30 year 10?
>> I think 30 is year 10 under the affordable housing plan. >> Yeah. >> But I probably would have to go back and look at it. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. >> It's close, >> right? >> I mean that's kind of considering our involvement with that process is kind of embarrassing that we're stumbling over. But okay, good.
>> You and me both. I think we started meeting this head but formally >> adopted the line. >> Right. >> Uh all right. That's sort of my only uh my only question that hasn't been resolved over to my left here already.
Um I think I I have a broader question. Um so you often start these discussions by explaining what a CIP is. My question is what do we want from our CIP? What is our purpose of having a CIP beyond state
law requires us to? And you know what what do we want to get out of it? Is it to for example understand our future financial picture um or just to sort of keep track of projects that are coming
down the pipe? I >> I think it's all of those things. Um, I think your CIP should uh be indicative of council strategic plan. So, your CIP should um make sure that it's making the mark there. Um, I think it also should
be um following your comprehensive plan or the projects meeting the comprehensive plan. Um, I think part of the reason why it is a plan and it's a multi-year plan is that they are expensive and so we do need to try to chart that out and figure out what we
can do, how we can pay for that. Um, and so that is what I think is part of a CIP plan. I don't know if you counselors want to add something different or if you had other questions if that gets close to what you're asking.
I think I'm good. That's all I had. >> James, I don't know if he said this, but I think I think the other thing I would add is is to offer some degree of transparency to the community at large about what it is we're intending to use those funds
for. And that's the conversation we've been having actually with council about about the the CIP in general and why we're we're trying to expand and improve our reporting on how we're using those funds and the quarterly reports and the and the online stuff. But part of that
is also when we look ahead, these are the projects that are upcoming and being able to share that with community, which is part of the reason we're also trying to be more specific in those lines around what the use of the funds are. Thanks.
You said that thing. Okay. Um, this may be a very stupid question and um I actually can't remember if I asked it last time. Um, the um the West Haven redevelopment line item, we've got $10 million in there over the next two years. Is that is West Haven going to be complete in two years or what is that
where's what's the $10 million doing? >> Uh, I don't know. Do you have any more details? There's also 5 million in the current fiscal year. >> Okay. >> So, not a stupid question. We'll get back to you with an answer. >> All right. Um,
that's all my questions. Council, do you guys have questions? >> I'll start with you. >> Um, hi everyone. It's funny to be over here. It's good to have a different different view. Um, so I watched the
planning commission work session about this and have a couple follow-up questions based on those original questions and then some of the answers that we've seen since then. Um, as well as based on some of the feedback we've gotten from the public. Um, one, so I
think one of the biggest concerns that I have and that we've seen from a lot of folks is the bike infrastructure line item and we've heard the explanation about wanting concrete projects before we have concrete funding. Um, as well as
the fact that there is bike infrastructure in other line items that's not clear. So, you know, the the milling and paving is going to include bike lanes or perhaps restriping in a way where the parking is now protecting the bike lanes, that sort of thing, but
that's not visible in the bike infrastructure line item. And I think it would be um we got a suggestion um from Mr. Joy about how to kind of add an asterisk or something to kind of collect that info or let people know that this
will go towards that too, some kind of thing. But I think maybe an easier way to present that information is to have some kind of like collected subcategory list of things that are overlapping in
multiple sections that people are going to be interested in. So um if we know that x number of dollars for these six projects that don't read as bike projects are going to touch the bike infrastructure plus the actual bike infrastructure line item. There's a
section that says all of these things are related to bikes and here's about how much money goes into it in total. I think the ADA stuff is a similar situation where there's the ADA line items, but then there's also all the pieces of different things that collect for ADA. And there's probably a couple
of of those types of categories that might be useful to collate in that way just for communication with people who are concerned about those things and the ability to sus out a little more specifics >> that you know the the specific
categories don't really lend to. Um, all of that being said, I think it's really good to hear the feedback from the community that we've been getting about how important bike infrastructure is because I think that's where we've got
um room for so much potential um for it's the mode shift with the most potential. You know, the sidewalks that people have been clamoring for, we're finally seeing action on those. That is great. um more people are going to get out of their cars and have safer driving and
safer streets when we invest in bike infrastructure. Um and when people get out of their cars and the people left who do have to drive have a better experience so it's better for everybody. So if the point of the CIP is to show
that the priorities of council and the community and our our teams that help provide that input um I think we need to make a bigger statement regarding bike infrastructure to communicate that priority. Um whether you know we know
that transportation plan is coming and then when we have that plan done there's going to be a lot of need for infrastructure and investment in that. So maybe it's $100,000 for the next two years, but the outy years beyond that, we have to start planning for the spending that's going to happen once
things start coalesing. Because what I am nervous about seeing is a lull and then a jump and then a lull and then a jump where we have to save up for something before we can do it when kind of constant progress is going to be
better both for for um you know usage for people and to reinstate our priorities. Um, so I I that's not really a question as much as kind of a theory of the case. >> And I understand wanting to make sure
that our budget is streamlined with things we're actually going to spend, but knowing that it's also a signal about our priorities to maybe pop some extra numbers on the the outy years if that's something that we are going to need to be investing in and we
want to invest in. um for questions. Um the uh I don't know if this is CIP related or if this is more of just transportation work session related, but do we have a work plan for hardening our
quick builds? And does that is that money reflected in here? The quick build projects that we have out right now are currently under evaluation. So, we put out a lot over the past summer. Uh about $500,000 worth
of uh quick build projects associated with third and transportation improvements. So, we'll be spending the winter and early spring evaluating those and figuring out what are the next quick builds that we can roll out. Uh largely using neighborhood transportation improvement funds uh and potentially also safe routes to school funds. As
part of that evaluation, we would also be looking at are there opportunities here to harden that? Are there cheap ways of hardening that? Are there materials that we can put in place? Um, we don't know the answers to those things right now, but we do have some funding through neighborhood transportation improvements to be able to do that going forward.
>> There is some money available should we decide to harden a couple of those, we'll be able to do it. >> Correct. >> Do we need more? >> We'll know that after we do some of this work this winter. >> I'm getting a nod from behind you. >> I'm not going to look behind me.
Um, okay. So, that might be something to think about is putting some more money in into that project. I don't know which line item that would fall under. Um, but having that ready to go and I appreciate all of the quick builds that have gone in and the fact that there's more and the coordination with public
works and getting the paving schedule and that sort of thing underway. I know there's a lot of moving pieces there. Um and for the affordable housing portion, uh thanks Ben. For the affordable housing
portion, um something that um Rory had asked during the work session was what are our plans for the approximately 11 million that we're going to get from the three big projects we have coming online. So I think, you know, we need to get the
money first. Um, and I think as that starts to materialize, then I think plans would be coming forward um for how to spend, you know, for suggestions and approval from council on how to spend that. >> Okay. Um, I'm I'm a I I want to kind of
be able to hit the ground running with that in the same way that we're not socking away money until we have projects here. It seems like we're going to get a whole bunch of money but then not have the projects. And if there's suggestions for that, I don't
know if that's something we provide now or we send an email later or both. Um, >> yeah, I think either way is fine. >> Okay. Couple things. Um, uh, something that we've talked about before, crossings 2 and the fact that, you know,
we've been spending a lot of focus on our low barrier shelter needs. Um but the permanent support of housing, there's Vista 29 coming on board. There's already crossing ones existing, but the need will continue to grow. Um I know repair and replacement funding to
keep people in livable houses, um energy and insulation, you know, funding AHIP at a greater amount. Um eviction prevention, the tax abatement program that we're already looking at at NDS for larger projects. I don't know if that's kind of an offset funding source for
that. Um, and then, um, just curious about whether the plan would be to use it to replace already allocated funds or if it would be to add to it. I know that's a conversation that we probably have to have, but just to put it out there is
something to think about. >> Yeah, thank you for saying that because that was kind of going through my head, too. I think, you know, um, as every year we continue to talk about the CIP, the the CIPs get more and more aggressive in terms of what we want to
spend. Um, and certainly as we've been talking over the last few years, we're not at capacity in terms of our debt. Um, but we certainly are reaching um, you know, affordability is an issue. And so as these dollars come in, they may be able
to replace because most of the majority of the affordable housing projects that are in the CIP now are required to be cash funded. They're not able to be bond funded. Um so there may be some opportunity to redirect those funds to some of your other priorities as well.
So um I think all of those things are on the table. Um and certainly I'm sure Mr. Fest and Mr. Sanders would love to start getting some of your ideas. Thanks. That's what I got for now. >> Michael,
>> uh, with Keech, are we anticipating that at any point over the next 5 years a request for additional CIP expenditures related to KEKCH will be coming? Uh I would be shocked if nothing came
out of a new facility like that that we're kind of uh just stepping into and kind of figuring out how we use it. Um nothing has come through yet or even sort of a hint of anything. But uh I should say that we're in uh we're
conducting a planning exercise for the long-term future of all of our schools facilities right now. Um, so if something's going to come up, it would probably come through that process. >> So there's not yet a known sense of scale of what a request may be.
>> Not yet. No. Related to that, if the state legislature approves and it's passed um 1 cent sales tax for school facilities, is there at this point um an expected
date for when that additional money would get reflected in the CIP? >> As soon as we possibly could. We've got a lot of projects we can use that money for. Yeah, I don't I don't know when it would make its way through all of the
legislative uh what have you, but uh we do have a as I mentioned our our planning uh group that is meeting and putting together the long-term uh planning exercise to put together a capital plan for all of our schools
facilities and uh just to be prepared for when that happens. And if it doesn't happen, then we'll scale down our uh our plans or stretch them out over more time. But yeah, we're poised for that. >> Yeah. So, it sounds like in the next, say, two years there would be the
existence of a list of priorities throughout the school district that would be ready to be plugged in with funding. >> Yeah, I would say somewhat sooner than two years is our goal. Um I would say probably more like one. And you know how
how long we stretch that out depends a lot on how you know how many new uh needs come to the four. We're kind of just at the beginning phases of that process now. Um but I'm sure there are a great number of needs. So um I think I
anticipate that we're ready with a a list of projects to get started on and we'll flesh that flesh that out even more the more time we have between now and when those funds become available. um with the inclusionary zoning in lu
fees um discussed a little bit. You know, I would just say just in my opinion, it has to on net be on top of our existing $10 million commitment. As I understood the structure of our inloop payments to
not do that would be abandoning the uh you know workingclass families in Charlottesville. And you know that that kind of investment is the only thing that's going to provide housing for people at 0 to 30% of area mean income. So it's vital that we don't um
not utilize that and just view it as covering our existing $10 million a year commitment. Um, so it sounds like at this point though there, uh, you know, if those 10 plus million dollars of inloo fees come, there's not yet a
process for determining um, how they would be spent or how to solicit um, requests to evaluate of how it could be spent. Is that correct? >> I would say yes. And I would say all of those decisions would be coming back to
council for your decision. Um, okay. And with bike and pedestrian infrastructure, there's the conversation around funding, which is obviously extremely important. As that money gets spent, what are the
internal performance metrics for evaluating success or failure? Um, how are you measuring how it gets spent? We have several projects that we've identified for the existing funding. Um those were projects that were identified
in previous plans like the bike and pedestrian master plan. Once we put those projects into place like the fifth street's uh bikeway, we'll be looking at things like how what were the impacts on vehicular traffic? Did it change the the delays? Did it add to the volumes? Did
it do anything to that? Uh same with the bicycles and the pedestrians. will be looking at installing counters so we understand what is the change in traffic that we're seeing along there. Um we'd also like to collect community feedback and understand you know what how people are reacting to this new facility being
in their community how they feel about you know using that facility. Does it feel safer? Um, that's a big factor that we're trying to understand with these investments is is this something that's actually making people feel safer so that they can use these facilities and actually feel like
they have a mode choice given these infrastructure improvements. >> And when >> may I offer an additional comment? Can y'all hear me? >> Yes. >> Oh, wow. You can see me too. Um, I I just wanted to note that I think
that the the creation of this citywide transportation plan is also an opportunity to identify what our real goals and metrics are for evaluating program and project success. Um, so as we look to scoping and building out that that plan, I think it's it's an
opportunity to uh, council Kane, as you're asking, identify, you know, what are we looking for when we fund and build these projects. >> That that makes a lot of sense and it sounds like that process will be a key point for really saying explicitly what our performance metrics are. Um because
I am curious depending on what our performance metrics are, are we going to incentivize completing more a higher number of low impact projects or a lower number of high impact projects? Um and I would also say our our trajectory is
positive. We're far better than we were three years ago. Um but obviously some of our larger projects are still experiencing a significant amount of delays and cost escalations. Um >> I think that's a really good good point and I think that the again the transportation plan can be an
opportunity to establish those priorities um identify you know where we are looking for um you know um smaller interventions versus you know larger scale uh investments. Um
and um I was going to say something else but I agree with your point there >> and thank you. Um and then just to very quickly answer two questions from planning commission. One, my understanding is the timeline for completion of resident leevelopment of
West Haven would not be in the next two years. There's a very long way to go just in terms of even applying for and securing funding of multiple sources. Um, and then in terms of the purpose of the CIP, just for myself, as was
outlined, I think planning, um, you know, it's obviously important there and transparency for the community, but I do think part of that transparency is being able to clearly communicate to the community what are we prioritizing and what are we not prioritizing. And I do think part of the transparency is the
community to be able to understand that which um I think we've made a huge amount of progress on in terms of the budget explorer tool and the amount of um information and transparency that anyone can access there compared to say you know five or six years ago.
>> I'm done. >> A couple of excuse me a couple of questions. Um, I'm curious first of all about the $100,000 a year that's being set aside for Dominion Power Pole replacement and what I we've talked a
lot about that in a number of different ways, but I hadn't ever talked about it. We hadn't never talked about it in terms of more money that the city was going to have to put out. What What's that going to be for? >> Good evening. Uh, Brennan Duncan. the city engineer. Um, so really this is as
we're start working with Dominion about, you know, addressing ADA issues with the poles. There are going to be instances where the pole really can't be moved either. You know, it's it's in the sidewalk and there's no parking area that we could take to build a bumpout
and there's a retaining wall behind the sidewalk to where we there's not a good spot to move it or something. Um, and we're going to have to, you know, acquire right of way either to build a sidewalk around that pole that's ADA compliant or to, you know, give a spot
for those poles to move. So, this is, we don't really have an exact number of how much that's going to cost, but there is going to be a cost associated with this moving forward. Um, so this is a little bit, I guess, contrary to where we're trying to get as specific projects. Um
but we do we wanted to you know put something in there to identify we are going to have to expend some funds here in the next several years as we try to address ADA issues as they you know come from these power poles. I guess I mean I I may be taking an overly simplistic
view of things, but it seems to me that if if the um if the pole is in a place where it needs to be moved, it probably isn't ADA compliant. >> Is that fair to say? >> That's correct.
>> If it's not ADA compliant, why is it not the obligation of the folks who put it up in an ADA non-compliant fashion to fix it? because many of these poles were installed before ADA was even a consideration. >> Um, and with the new ADA rules that are
coming out or have come out, even the ones that were uh came out in 1991 allowed for, you know, narrowing of the sidewalk around impediments with the new ProAG. Um, the uh public right ofway accessibility guidelines that no longer
exists, that kind of exemption for power poles and fire hydrants and stuff. The new requirement is is you have to maintain four feet no matter what. So the what is ADA compliant has changed over time. Um and we just we have narrow
rightways and you know sometimes there just isn't room within what we currently have as the right of way to move the pole. Um and while Dominion may move the pole of their own cost, we have to give them a place to move to. If that makes sense.
>> Okay. I mean, I guess it's it's easy it's easy for me to understand that since the poll was put there, the rules have changed. It is now non-compliant. Under those circumstances, I think Dominion has a right to say we don't have to move it if we don't want to.
We're in a sense grandfathered. >> That's correct. Um, >> so we have to provide, >> but as a city, we still want to make it compliant. So, you're right that they probably have a case that they don't have to make it compliant, right? then but over time as poles get replaced much like you would with a a home
construction you know it's grandfathered in but once you start making modifications so if that pole gets hit by a semitr or something and they have to replace that pole and there's no place for that that new pole to go that is ADA compliant we need to work with them to give them a spot to like I said
either do either move the pole or it may be simpler in some cases and cheaper to just extend the sidewalk walk around the pole to get the the space we need. >> Another question on the basically the same page. Uh right of way of pertinence, $150,000 a year. I
understand the concept of right of way. What's the right of way of pertinence? >> Uh this is mainly guard rails um throughout the city uh for right away and purchases. Um so as they get struck and it's, you know, repair, remediation of of those.
>> Okay. All right. Thank you. Um I was was curious about a number of things under the affordable housing category. Uh one we know we know I note that in this year's budget explorer
we've got total of about $6.4 million set aside for two PHA projects. The MCA site and the uh the Park Street Church site. and I get and none of the money has been spent and no no nothing is allocated for future years.
Is there an issue with buil getting those built? Maybe not. Miss Haml's >> I I can offer a quick comment on that. Um unless Chrissy you wanted to jump in. Miss >> please.
>> U those projects are um still in the queue. We are working through the details of the loan agreements um and expect to be able to dis disperse funds for those projects within the next year. >> So it wouldn't be necessary to allocate
other funds into the CIP to do that because that money is already allocated. >> That's correct. >> Okay. Just want to make sure it wasn't getting lost or forgotten someplace. Um, I'm also curious about the sort of the progress on the Carlton Mobile Home
Park. And I know again we've got uh money in the the um uh in the in the budget for this year totaling $1.4 million uh FY26 expenditures of about a little over
a million. So $371,000 left. What's the current status of that project and that funding and is that going to be sufficient to to fill to to carry us through? >> Do we know? >> So, that's one I don't have an update
on. I don't know. So, the money that's in the CIP is um basically right now just the money that is for the loan um to to make the purchase. Um, in terms of the project, I don't know, but you
actually reminded me because that budget for this year is more than what we actually need to pay out. So, we might we may be able to make an adjustment in these other years. I'll check on that. >> Is it your thought that perhaps the 1821,82,87
for in this fiscal year is what is going to be necessary for this fiscal year? I'm not I know the payment schedule has changed and I know there was a principal payment made this year. Um and I'll have to check but there might be some extra dollars there. That's a good point.
Thank you. Did you want to add this? >> I was only going to add from the from a status perspective the um the agreement that was struck between uh the PHA and Habitat partnership and the
residents was that they had three years to stay within the mobile home park. And anyone who if I'm getting anything wrong, let me know. But they have three years to stay within the park before they then would begin uh redevelopment of the park. And we don't um now the the
intention is for everybody who lives there to have the opportunity to stay within. So I want to be clear that I'm not talking about dis, you know, involuntary displacement or anything along those lines. Um I'm while they I believe they've begun planning for the future redevelopment park that's
going to be another resident le effort and we haven't heard at this point whether it's going to be any additional requests for funding. The agreement did uh I don't remember the exact language but I believe it at minimum discouraged the idea of of coming back to the city for additional funding. Well, what's in
what's in the budget right now? Um, let's see. That's I guess page 10 of the the CIP shows for in the next three years roughly $227,000 a year and then a $4 million
FY30 U payment. is the what what is to be what is to be done in 27 28 29 for 227,000 a year. >> All of that is still just paying for the purchase of the land. So we're we are paying the the loan that that was
>> I see >> the loan for buying the land. >> Yeah. >> Interest. >> Thank you. >> And the 4 million is not the principal. >> Okay. Thank you. Um just an observation that touches a little bit on uh something that Mashan
had mentioned. Uh I remember 20 years or so ago it was sort of a thing to talk about programmatic budgeting. Uh and then eventually I think people realized that programmatic budgeting is all very nice but you still have to make the numbers
add up. Uh and we have the numbers to add up. But there is a point out of out of programmatic budgeting uh that has a very distinct advantage in that if it is done right, you might generate one page, for example, that would talk about all
the money we're spending on affordable housing. And the last paragraph, and by the way, here are other things we are doing where some of that money where some of those goals are being realized. And so we could talk for example about the ADA compliance money and how that also works
to facilitate bike ped kinds of kinds of things and it might be useful uh perhaps in the city manager's office rather than in the budget office if when the city manager comes out with a budget at the beginning of March there is at least
some discussion of some of those programmatic consistencies and overlaps. So we can look at it all and say okay now I see we've got bike ped infrastructure here here here and here and it all fits together. Um the the
point being made earlier about payments in lie uh under the u the housing the apartment complexes. Um, we have never actually had the discussion that I am aware of that
attempts to say what we think ought to be done with that money. Uh, and I would and I'm generally opposed to earmarking things because we're always then trying to figure out whether we can get around that earmark in order to do something
else we really need to do this year. I would encourage us to think about it in terms of perhaps looking at that money as either perhaps being directly direct expenditures on affordable housing things or to recognize that there are a
number of other aspects uh of our budget that end up touching in some way on housing. Transit is one of those things. Um, workforce development is another one of those things because one of the best ways to get affordable housing is to get
is to increase people's incomes. Uh, and so I I would hope that we would not whatever we end up doing that we should not end up thinking of that $11 million as uh as an earmark specifically to building buildings. uh but generally to
to looking at the the problem of poverty and affordable housing with a broader broader scope. Um I'm curious to touch on some something that was raised earlier on Keech. Uh we had talked when we decided that we would buy KEK that
one of the things we wanted to try to do was to think about how our complete ownership of KEK might interrelate with other workforce development issues and uh I'm I'm curious who who is going to
be looking at the use of the property who is going to be looking at this workforce development issue more generally. uh is it only going to be the school division or is it going to be the school division and some other group of people who are going to be considering these other issues. Finally, the last
point I would make is that if we do in fact get given the opportunity or difficulty depending on your perspective uh of the 1% sales tax bump that would have to pass a
referendum in November. It would be political malpractice for the city not to have a list of what would be spent no later than July 1st. And if we don't have a list of that by July 1st, anybody
who is going to be campaigning in favor of that passing the referendum is going to be seriously handicapped. And so whoever is going to be in charge of that effort going forward, I notice at least one representative of the school board here and other people both education
side and on the city side. That's going to require a lot of work and it's going to require a lot of thought and it's going to require an actual plan and not just hey gee, this would be really cool. So again, that's not specifically your problem.
So, um I'll just I'll just um um chime in on the KEK because it actually came up today in my meeting with the workforce um um committee that I represent this council on where we
have um hired um the school division has hired um Sarah Morton to help lead that and I know she's doing a great job. She talked about some of the things that they're doing to help lead and guide that. So, I know that that's that's being done. Um, and so I just wanted to
add that on to your the first of your questions and I think the other ones I don't know if they're going to get to it. If not, I'll go to my kind of questions and comments. Um, a lot of them have already been touched on. I was going to, you know, swing back around to West Haven, but Michael hit on it and
and Carl hit on it initially. I go to the FAR meetings a lot and I know that they're going they ask a lot of questions about it and and so as soon as we get information not only that but also Kindlewood and its various stages and stuff and
cost is going costs are going up and the we're not as sure about the federal funding even if it had been promised you know if it's going to be there. So want to make sure it's hard to determine how and if that's going to impact our budget, but likely a
lot of times they will come to us if they lose some the funding. Um these don't require com responses because I I know we want to to to move on. Um um but um the shelter um it's you know
we purchase it. Next phase is to renovate it and then we have to operate it. And I imagine that's going to um have an impact. It's probably not anything referring to this, but I'm just looking at the pool of money that we have to to to
go from. And for someone who another issue that travels on locust every day um the work that they're doing there and I know that they're doing some water man work there but um just in general the
the cost of um kind of maintaining all of the aging infrastructure that we have in this city. Um um just want to make, you know, we we just got a an email last night from someone who's dealing with, you know, kind of
some aging infrastructure and things like that that we're we're going to be addressing. Um and um you know, I'm going to leave it at at that. So, thank you, Mr. Mr. Chair. >> Thank you, Council Rory. Did you have a follow-up question? Uh just want to jump
in real quick uh with a clarification uh in response to a comment that was made. Um the 11 million inlue funds uh are in the form of a profer of a donation to the affordable housing fund um and in
part in required inlue funds under the old 3412 ordinance. So I would caution against repurposing those funds lest we violate the profer and potentially have to give it back. Of course money is fungeible and you can repurpose other funds,
>> right? It would replace funds that had been allocated already towards affordable housing projects. >> Specify simply the proper that in those cases >> the old zoning ordinance definitely did specify the affordable housing fund. I
would have to check the new one, but I think it does. >> I didn't hear you say >> the old ordinance did specify the affordable housing fund. >> I haven't checked the new ordinance, but I believe it does. >> But that 11 million is all under the old ordinance. >> Okay. >> The the question I was I was bringing up
was not can we use those $1 million for other things, but if we already have money allocated from the general fund that we're putting towards certain projects that are affordable housing related, does that 11 million replace that or does it add to that? Yeah. I mean, I think there's a policy decision. >> Yeah. No, that's a discussion to have,
but >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> All right. I think we're done with questions up here. Um, we're going to open up the public hearing to uh to the public. >> Um, Dan, would you moderate? And is there a clock that I need to pay attention to? >> You got it.
>> Okay. Well, does that mean that you're going to cut people off? >> I should. That's up to you. >> I If you want to. I don't mind doing it. I just If I do it, I have to be able to see a clock. Yeah, it should be in front of you. It's your screen. >> Turn around. >> It's behind your screen. It's behind your screen.
>> Oh, okay. >> Thank you. >> I didn't see. >> Okay. Sorry, I was looking at that thing. Yep. All right. Thank you. All right. Uh we will alternate between inerson and online speakers. If you are attending online and you'd like to speak, please indicate by raising your
hand. But we will start with in-person audience. If anyone would like to speak, please come forward and state your name. Hello uh my name is Y an uh thank you very much uh today and uh I just want to talk about bic infrastructure and I would like to
mention we should caution about the evaluation because if you build a bridge that is connected to nothing and then no one uses it it's not that bridge is at fault it's just it's not connected
Right. And all the success stories in many cities across the world, it was about the speed, how quickly they built that network, connected network that led to the success of the bike infrastructure. So I want to mention
that. And uh regarding like income and raising income, um an interesting statistics is that on average Americans spend uh $12,000 to own a car. And if you replace a car with a bike, for
instance, uh you save more than $10,000 per year. And that's like $10,000 more money. You can spend on local businesses. And also by riding bike you get much healthier and you don't spend as much
money on healthcare. Where does it go? Local economy, right? So uh studies have shown that this is really the case. Usually they say every dollar invested uh return about three to five dollars to
the society through health care benefits uh like healthcare cost uh like uh reduce congestion uh local economy and so on and so forth. So it's one of the highest return
investment we have but it doesn't work until it's connected and safe. No one will use it until it's connected. And also regarding climate change, uh investing in bike and climate and the public transit, it's one of the cheapest
even like economically positive way to do it. So I just want to mention that and given that it's really kind of baffling to me that uh city is not being able to spend the money because everywhere I look it's unsafe. I I
cannot let my kids like my 10-year-old ride bike by himself. Yeah, I don't think it's safe. So, uh for instance, I drop my son to Sunrise School and every street there's no traffic coming. Cars
are fast, streets are wide, and it's every time I cross the roust, I'm I'm really kind of tense because cars are driving really fast, but there's no infrastructure to slow down the cars. So, regarding school, I think one of the
best way to uh let the kids learn better is let them walk and bike to school every day. And there is no possibility right now. Yeah. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. Did you provide your address? >> Second >> your address. We were collecting those
for minutes, right? >> Name and address. >> You can, but >> Okay. I I thought Sorry. >> Don't see any online speakers, so next inerson speaker can come up. >> How you doing? My name is Terry Tyrie.
I'm a resident at South First Street, a board member of Not Me, I believe, a intern at FAR, and a chapter leader at Virginia Organizing. And I just had a couple questions about what I heard today.
Is this the only CIP public hearing? Why does a prek take $46 million? I got three kids and so I'm not knocking education at all. I just want to know $46 million.
That's more than the affordable housing fund. Um West Haven has no answer on how much the redevelopment will cost or will it when it will be done. We was knocking them answers back to back to back back.
um for every other question that was asked, West Haven residents primarily being here speaking on the LV Collective. So to leave them out once again by not having an answer for the
fund or how long it's going to take for redevelopment is ridiculous. Um and also the the decrease over the years from um for the affordable housing and for the redevelopment for the properties, the
decrease of it. That was also a big question for me. What was the need in regards to the bridge that was just built? I'm not sure. I'm pretty sure you all had something to do with that. What was the need for that bridge and how was
it measured? How much was it to build a bridge from Simol to Stonefield? I agree. Um it may be simple to create a a plan or a budget to come up here and to show um city council, but for the
public, I definitely agree. Aster, subcategories, subsections, break it down. Um because if you if the only place that you have these meetings is online or here at the city council, you
definitely want to simplify or clarify um where the money is being allocated for the public. Was was these um was the the funds that are being allocated for everything brought to the public? I
mean, I know we're having a public meeting now, but I'm not sure how long it's been going on and if there is another one. Um, and was that documented? Uh, is that is the comments from the public a part of the CIP?
Um, also, if there was $21 million that rolled over last year or annually, how come more isn't put into the affordable housing fund? a one cent sales tax referendum in November. Well, what that
doesn't really give you much time to figure out or list how much money would be spent for the school facilities um that that you got from the sales tax and a lot of projects that we can use that money for. What What are they? Can you list them?
>> Thank you, Mr. Because I feel like the money should be allocated towards affordable housing also. Thank you. >> Thank you. next in person speaker. >> Hey, how yall doing? Um, my name is Angela Carr. I am a resident of one of the CRJ properties. Um, I'm a bar board
member and I'm very passionate about West Haven. Uh, I grew up there when I was a little kid and then I moved to Friendship Court. So to see Friendship Courts is getting I'm talking about a full-on renovation like different a complete different building, a complete different setting, and for West Haven to
still be that way. I know money is tight. I know money is the issue, but if we can squeeze money for poles, I'm sorry. If we can squeeze money for bike lanes or bu different buildings, bro, we can squeeze this money for West Haven, y'all. We got kids over there. And the
reason why I'm so passionate about it honestly is that there's children over there still playing on the park where the ground falling in and we worried about bike lanes. You know what I'm saying? We worried about the bridge that we just built out 29 and the and the question where when she asked that I saw
it in my head is vivid as day. Uh a lot of people asked that question online. It's like a group of people like Shawsville uh Shawsville back then now and it's like a history group and a lot of people are wondering what was that bridge built for? We took away the left turn, made it
straight. It's It's kind of difficult. It really doesn't make any sense. And then coming out of Mickey Drive, that yield up and then that circle. I wish I was here to have a input or something. I don't know who I had to talk to, but I feel like that that is very difficult.
There's probably been about 20 accidents, not even exaggerating, since that happened. Not even exaggerating. 20 accidents. No, no exaggeration. in just that little area where the circle, there's been about two or three accidents within the circle. Few
accidents within the turns of Mickey. That just doesn't make any sense. It's not logic. I don't I don't think that makes any sense for anyone that's coming out or that's going in because they also don't know how to use that turn. It says yield, not complete, stop, but they're stopping and waiting for traffic to completely go up the street when there's
a whole another lane. They don't understand it. So, I think that should be, you know what I'm saying? Something should be done about that. But going back to West Haven, I truly I truly truly truly feel like there's some money somewhere that somebody could be squeezing from somewhere somewhere and we can do a little bit more. Even if the
renovation is not to renovate every single building completely, let's start with the park because we got these kids going to school and when they wake up in an environment where they can't even play freely, that is not fair. I don't know if y'all got kids, but whoever got kids in this building, would you allow
your child to go play on the park with the floor part of the park sinking in? Absolutely not. My kids not going over there. You know what I mean? So, let's treat everyone's children who are the next generation, this generation that's growing up, the kids that we want to run Charlottesville next. Y'all not going to
have those seats forever. It's going to be a kid, you know what I'm saying, that's growing up in this neighborhood that's going to be in those seats. So, we got to raise them right. We got to look at them. No matter the color, no matter the size, no matter where they come from, no matter who they are, we got to look at them and guide them and
lead them the right way. We have to. I grew up here and a lot of things have changed. We got to do better as a community. >> Thank you. >> Next inerson speaker. >> Uh hello. Uh my name is Mike Wedet. I
live at 100 Avon Street in Belmont. Um, I try to bike to get around town as my primary mode of transportation. I bike to run errands, that type of thing. And quite frankly, the bike infrastructure in Charlottesville is inadequate. Um, it's not safe to bike around town a lot of the time. Bike lanes disappear at
random um when you're going down a street. Take my street, Avon, for example, where there's bike lanes for 20 feet and then they disappear and then another 30 feet later they're gone again. Um, if the city's goal is truly to create and maintain a safe,
convenient, and pleasant uh network of bike lanes for pedestrians and also pedestrian infrastructure. I think the city should consider increasing the amount of funding that's going in the CIP starting in 2017 because even with all the projects that are planned, even
with all the funding that's already been allocated that could be used, it's those projects are not going to create a safe network. There's just a lot of need and there's a lot of opportunities to invest in that. Um, that was the primary thing I came to say. Um, the other thing I'll
say after those beautiful um, I think public comments is that we can do both. We can do bike lanes. We can do affordable housing. We can do both of those things. We can invest in West Haven. I think West Haven would also appreciate having some bike lanes so they can get around town as well. Um,
but we can do both of those things. That's it for me. Thank you. >> Thank you. Next speaker. >> Good evening. I'm Peter Krebs. Uh tonight I'm speaking on behalf of the Pedmont Mobility Alliance which is actually a alliance coalition of more
than 40 organizations, businesses, agencies, and groups that share a belief that a prosperous community is one that's well connected with everyday access to the outdoors for everyone. We're working on a sign on letter and we
wanted it to be um h have a lot of signatures more than getting it to you quick. So, we'll get you that tomorrow probably. Uh, some of the highlights have been addressed here today, but I think uh Rory asked a great point. What uh what's the point of a CIP? What's the
point of a budget really? Right. So, we have a comprehensive plan. It talks about walkability. It talks about prosperity for all housing, all these things. But the budget is where where that stuff shows its self in
reality. And the CIP is where the stuff gets made, right? And what we've seen is if it's not safe to walk, then people still walk anyway. They they try to get around and they wind up dying. So why
was there a pedestrian bridge built on 29? Because people keep dying there. In fact, someone died there just a couple weeks ago. So this stuff is crucial and it isn't cheap. It's multiple millions of dollars. Um I I did want to correct
one small thing which is the milling and paving does not create bike infrastructure. That just does the pavement any markings and all of that stuff any protection. That's the bike infrastructure budget
line. So uh spend $100,000 and you get the network that we have. you get the lines, they get wiped off and they're not, you know, protective or safe. So, I I appreciate how we're doing a very methodical way of planning, but we know
that we have about 2 years before we get the comprehensive transportation plan. We we have about a million in the bank for the bike infrastructure. I think fiscal 27's going to be okay, but fiscal 28 will not be okay. and I'm not
confident that you'll have the plan ready for that. So, I would just go ahead and be ready with the these projects that we know we're going to have to do. West Main is going to be torn up for the sewer line. Don't let
that opportunity to repave it right with proper markings pass away. Finally, I'd also like to point to the park's master plan. That's one of these unserious numbers. It's 500k toward a 70 what? $78
million price tag. That's that's going to take uh what 140 years to implement the plan at that rate. It's just not serious. So I'd like to see larger numbers in for that and let's see two years of funding for the bike
infrastructure and for the quick builds. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Cubs. >> Right. Next in person speaker. >> Good evening. Um my name is James Van Brank and I live on Ridge Street. I'm one of the co-chairs of the bicycle and
pedestrian advisory committee. Um the clarity we heard from Ben tonight was very helpful. Um I trust him when he says he has enough money. I'd only ask that that be better communicated um in the CIP and planned for. like we know
we're going to spend a lot on these essential bike projects within the next 5 years, but it's not reflected in the plan. Um I'd like to echo the calls that a TBD or an asterisk or something would would be clearer than what we have. Um,
I'd also like to echo Rory and Natalie's points on operational expenses. Um, because we've heard a lot this year as advocates about opportunities that were lost because of miscommunication or lack of staffing or just kind of bad cross
departmental organization that I know it's hard to get right. um uh the the amount of um money we're spending on like just public works employees, getting enough people out there on the streets who can um build
these things. We we know all of that matters. Um my only other point is about the huge success this year we've had with the installation of the temporary quick builds. Um the feedback we've had as committee members on most of these
projects has been overwhelmingly positive. Um there are a lot more places where it's needed. They were funded um as we heard with neighborhood transportation improvements um and cost approximately 500,000 this year. The CIP
has it funded at only 100,000 um for next year, which means very little money for more quick builds and no money for making them permanent as far as I can see. Um we understand they can't all be made permanent right away, but allocating no money for them this year
seems like an awful loss of momentum. Um, it risks turning 2025 into a flash in the pan and wasting the money and the organizational effort that I've seen these guys behind me making and and making great strides towards. Um, that's all I have. Thank you very much for your
service. >> Any more inerson speakers? >> Uh, good evening, planning commissioners. Chris Meyer. I am 124 Oaklan Court. I am a elected school board member. I'm speaking as an individual though, not for the school board. Uh I came to Charlottesville and
have two young children and was uh a little bit really concerned when I started to think about sending my children to the public school system a lot because of the infrastructure and the status of our school buildings. I know a couple of you are have children in the schools and so just want to make
sure we uh as we consider the long-term capital investments. We are thinking that through those investments in the school infrastructure to ensure our youngest are again are going to school in properly functioning and I think
adequate education spaces. I think we're at adequate now but a lot of them are needing upgrades, remodels. And I was really happy to hear and I sit on this CIP subcommittee on this topic too with Commissioner Solates, but that the staff
is coming up with a list of coherent investments that need to be made in our schools and that is not going to be I think cheap. We have not invested over the last three to four decades in the schools like we have set aside Charlottesville Middle School and I
think this upcoming wary education center, but that we will be needing to make substantial investments in those buildings to ensure our students and our children, our youth, as some other speakers just spoke about, you know, have the proper opportunities, educational opportunities. Thank you.
Thank you. more in person speakers. >> I think we need to we actually unfortunately >> Yeah, just one. I'm sorry. >> Sorry about that. >> Any online comments? You can indicate by raising your hand.
>> Chair, I see no raise hands. >> All right. Um, I guess I'm closing the public hearing. Um, now time for planning commission discussion. Uh, we need to what? >> Mr. Chair. >> Oh, sorry. Yes. >> I asked a question. I'm sure somebody in the audience can help me out here. Who,
uh, is responsible for the construction and maintenance of any park facilities at West Haven? Is that CRA or is that the city or parks and wreck or who who's responsible for that? >> Parks. >> No, CRA. No, the park. She's talking
about the little park rights. >> Talking about the parks in general at West Haven. >> ASAP. >> Yeah. >> That's CRA. The ones within the >> community outside of the um >> that's a parks and wreck. The what they
call >> Jenkins is separate. >> And I think you're talking about the playgrounds like in Yeah. Yeah. That's CRA. Okay. Okay. Any more questions from over there? >> Thanks.
>> Great. All right. Um, so that's the public hearing. Um, so I guess we'll The way we've done this before is if you guys have amendments you want to propose, we can start again left to
right. Um, I should disclose at the beginning of this that I do consult for a architecture firm that is one of their projects is one of these affordable housing projects. Um, I am not working on that project. I'm not making money from that project, but I figure I need to disclose that. Um, and if we start
discussing that project, I'll not speak. Um, I'll abstain from that. Um, but, uh, are you guys okay starting from left to right or do you want to switch? Why don't we start with uh, >> No, you're not ready. All right, there we go. So, uh, typically if we're going
to be doing amendments already, uh, >> yeah, >> we should put a motion on the table that we can then amend. >> We need Okay. Um, would somebody like to make a motion >> that we can then discuss? >> Before that, can I make a general comment? >> Sure. >> Uh, generally, I've been watching uh,
the events in Richmond with great interest. I keep hearing the word money, which is a word I'd love to hear. I think we will be having money coming to the city for projects in the next year, not just for schools, but for everything we do. I strongly advise that we have projects ready to go for state funds to
spend on broadly. >> I mean, so chair, I mean, I'd suggest that if we're we're looking for a motion, let's figure out a place to start here. Um, >> so I had a question. If we had just general comments that are not tied to an amendment, should we get those out of
the way first and then transition? >> Yeah. Why don't we can this? We'll do that. >> Okay. >> All right. >> All right. Well, I guess I will start. Um, and I just want to be clear. I'm speaking these comments uh as a city resident and taxpayer, not in my capacity as representation from UVA. And
so, first of all, I wanted to just uh speak that I'm appreciative of the ongoing commitments to those three top categories in the CIP of education, transportation, and access, and affordable housing. I think we heard in this that these are sort of very near and dear to many people's uh daily
experiences, and knowing that this place can be the best version of Charlottesville that it can be. Um I find uh and I think the work with the CIP team has been great. There's a lot of uh um uh sort of great shifts over the I think this is my second time
seeing this and I can already start to see sort of improvements in the tools of how we go about and review this. >> And I think what's tricky I think for the general public is I think the CIP can be mistaken as a as a kind of a planning tool when it's really a cash flow tool. And I I I know there are
planning documents that sort of help influence the CIP. And again, this is just more a general question that about when we're trying to design consensus and trying to get people around uh these difficult topics of how to spend our limited resources. Um I just wonder if the tool in its current form is in its
optimized state. You know, I think the council members had great points about how can we be clear about this. I think we see there's some confusion around bike lanes. There's confusion about how we're going to uh earmark affordable housing in the outy years because this one shows it diminishing, but that's not necessarily what we're going to spend in the out years. It's just what's on the
thing. And so I'm I'm curious how the data portal. We have these interactive maps I think of bike ped is there a way to kind of create links within this tool to sort of begin to highlight areas that are potentially being targeted in the CIP or some type of way to bring clarity
to how we prioritize these projects. Um I know the 2015 uh sort of transportation master plan, you know, there's already sort of great work done showing what areas don't have great accessibility. And so um I just think again I think of the documents we generate and how they can help sort of
either uh facilitate the conversation or kind of obiscate the conversation. I I just think there may be opportunities to try to perfect the tools so that as we continue out and look at these projects we're just using things that again bring as many people to the table uh for the discussion. So that's all I have.
>> Any other comments or do you want to start? >> Yeah. So just to I agree with you there. I think that we've got an intrinsic tension uh between the idea of sort of strategic Yeah, I think there's a misapprehension that this is a
strategic planning tool, not a not a practical spending tool. And I agree with you that if the strategic if the if the strategic planning uh and the integration of that with how we're going to spend the money isn't
clear, what we get is, you know, a great deal of confusion as to what the priorities really are. Um, you know, uh, the bike being an example is that we've got the beginnings of a strategy, but we need to have a real plan for the entire city before we can
start talking about actually spending money on specific things. I get that. Um, of course, the city manager's position on this from a practicality point is is that he doesn't want this to be an aspirational document that he doesn't want us throwing in, oh, just
throw some money in there that we'll spend when we get there, particularly since the decision tree that gets made has to do with how we're bonding and how we're obligating the city. I that's really complicated to get across. I understand that we're trying to hire a
chief strategy officer for the city. I think that job number one for that would be, you know, as much as developing a strategy as developing a communication strategy for that because I don't, you know, I agree with you. I don't think we're there. Um, and I don't want to,
and for example, for the out years of the housing, uh, yeah, we're going to spend $10 million in those out years, but we don't know what we're spending it on now. We just don't. Um, will we find a way to spend it? where we are we going
to spend $10 million in 2031 abs we sure are but yeah I think that that's a very difficult process to have a conversation about the cash flow and the strategy at the same time >> yeah I agree with that and I I wonder if there is an opportunity for some key or
some way to acknowledge that this line item is in conformance with an existing plan or ex does this line item sort of go with the comp plan does it go with sort of affordable housing plan and it's a sort of an indicator when things are in conformance with previously planned
uh road maps versus things that are maybe new to it and and if you have the thing people can then have a breadcrumb trail to find those comp plans because I think getting public engagement getting people to understand how it's working all cohesively that's almost impossible looking at the CIP document because like you said and I don't think this is the
document but I just wonder how how we can create links to help facilitate that engagement help facilitate that understanding so that we can get the consensus and continue on. >> Sounds like a uh uh a great priority uh for the new chief
strategy officer when we >> get one. >> So yeah, but I I I agree with you on that. That's one of the difficulties. Um and we're guilty and I say we're guilty of this too but for example we have said in the last Rory Clint's last 10 years I
know that uh he and I both made the suggestion over the past two years is that we need to one thing towards that was to be and maybe this is part of a motion that in the affordable housing space do we need
a line item that is based on the idea of we know we're going to have large projects and competitive funding for it. We're committing to make the money to spending the money and in the sense that this line item is a strategic development line item which will make
you know I mean which is already causing Sam to grit his teeth um that we can then put out for competitive bid down the line. Does that belong in the CIP? I don't know. But in the absence of a strategy document uh that sort of links
to it, maybe it is. And that's line eight of the recommendations from last year, just in case anyone's wondering. Yeah. Move to recommend approval of the FY27 capital improvement program with the
following amendments. Okay. If we get a second. >> Second. >> Great. >> Now we can amend that motion. >> All right. I >> Who's got an amendment? I've been creating a tally.
>> Oh, good. Okay. >> Uh, number one, uh, increase money for the Charlottesville Affordable Housing Fund in out years. >> Keeping it broad. >> I agree. >> Yeah. >> Why are the What are the out years?
>> That would be reasonable. Definitely not the next fiscal year, which seems to be pretty pretty tight. Probably not the following year, but beyond that. Um you're talking >> fiscal I think fiscal 30 is where we see the drop off. >> So so >> so what years are you talking >> FY34 we could be specific FY34
>> I think what I would say is you know the calf is a very specific fund within our affordable housing sort of umbrella. Um, and what we don't have now is any
real strategy for what we're doing altogether for funding things. Um, you know, I I asked earlier what the purpose of a CIP was. Um,
and you know, I heard lots of good things. I think I agree with all of those. uh to to be planning for things that are expensive to tell the public what we're planning what expensive things we're planning on buying. Um you know, I was been spending a bunch of time in the last week and also last
month uh looking through the CIP, looking through old CIPs. Um, and so I was surprised to read today uh an article that one of our CIP items uh is actually going to have uh an offcycle budget request come
to council uh in less than a week um for uh to to buy a portion of the property um for something that is not a surprise expenditure. um is is not something that unexpectedly popped
up um but was easily knowable a very long time ago. Right? I'm talking about 501 Cherry uh is asking for $1.7 million to purchase uh a retail condo uh for grocery store. Um a retail condo that we
knew was going to be there when the SUP was approved years ago before any funding was even in the CIP. Um, and my frustration at that not being planned got me thinking about how in just like we discussed last year and
have discussed before, we really don't have any plan at all for how we're going to spend uh the money we commit to affordable housing. um that sort of specific projects have popped up in there due to
sort of one-off commitments that we have made or just because they were sort of the only things that were being brought or people were asking for money for. Um and now we're finally getting to the end of that backlog of random stuff people
have asked for money for or projects the council committed to. Um, and that's an opportunity to really think through what our plan is for affordable housing. Now, of course, we spent a lot of money
on an affordable housing plan uh that was supposed to get that and it came with a commitment to spend $100 million. Now, we have $100 million or probably more out the door already before we're talking about making a plan. Um but uh
and and that's alarming, right? Um not just because we spent a lot of money, but because you know we spent a lot of money with few criteria for how we decided what would go to what and because we in many cases don't even know what we were getting for that money. We should not have,
you know, funded a bunch of money for Kindle Wood and then seen it built and then be surprised when residents are moving back into their homes and they're not at the income levels that we thought they were going to be, right? Um, you know, all of these projects have very
complicated and very large funding stacks um to get done. Uh, and we don't know what those are. We don't get a proforma. Um, you know, I uh some years ago just for Kindlewood phase one uh
tried to compile all the different funding sources that I could find in press releases and such. Um, and you know there's over a dozen I have on that cyclopedia page and I don't even know if it's complete. Um, I don't think we're requesting that money or or that that information uh from our grant
recipients. Um, and that's leading to our overall our overall affordable housing program being completely aimless. Um, so we can get money out the door and we get some sort of affordable housing and we hardly know what we're going to get and we
aren't prioritizing it the way we said we were going to. Um and so my recommendation for an amendment uh would be to create a plan for the process by which both the $11 million in expected incoming inl funds the affordable housing fund as well as all new outyear
expenditures will be allocated to affordable housing pro projects. Repeat that to me again, please. >> Create a plan for the process by which the $11 million in expected incoming inlue funds for the affordable housing
fund as well as new outyear expenditures on affordable housing will be allocated to projects. I'll sign on to that. Um and uh as sort of commentary beyond that, we're also speaking to a capacity issue
that we are now in a position now where our capacity to manage affordable housing uh is is frankly crippled. We have one excellent staff member who uh is peering
uh who is we can see her eyebrows over the pile of stuff on her desk barely that we have you know lost capacity and we need more than we had before we lost it because uh we do need a strategic planning level. We also need a system
that we can put in place that we that has measurables that are less ad hoc than what we do. We have measurables, but they are ad hoc. And we need uh we need a lot of that to make any of that work. Uh because I don't I I don't think
we can get out of the starting block with your suggestion if we don't have capacity to do it. And we don't. We just don't have the capacity right now to do it. And I don't need I don't see a quick fix for that either. I mean it's not a matter of finding bodies, it's a matter
of finding the expertise that can come in and develop this over time. So I guess my also urging that is and capacity is a big part of all of that too because you know we don't have it.
I mean there's let me try my line one more time and see if it's correct. Create a plan for the process by which the 11 million in expected inloo funds and following expenditures will be spent on affordable housing projects. Is that correct? >> Yeah.
>> Thank you, >> Danny. You got that? >> Mhm. >> Beautiful. >> Uh, next one I've got is uh increase funding for West Haven in out years. We haven't uh voted on the amendment. Um if that was
an amendment, there wasn't a second either. >> Are we are we >> I feel like what's the process? >> Let's kind of get through the stuff that we want to put out >> and then come back and vote. I mean, if Yeah, I think it'd be good to have a list of all this stuff. Um because we you kind of skipped right over Phil's
capacity issue in that last statement. >> Um is that >> the capacity issue is an operating budget thing. It's something that was called out in the affordable housing plan that we were supposed to be tending spending 10% of our money on uh figuring out how we're going to spend our money and keeping track of it to make sure
that we spent right. Um and uh for a while there we did staff up. Um obviously there's been some turmoil in staff related to that uh lately. Um, I mean, I I think it might be worth calling out that we need the staff to
and that we need the staff and the expertise to create that plan for that process and to run that process successfully. Um, but I would agree it's also not a capital item. Yeah. >> Well, and neither is creating a plan for
these outear expenditures. That's still a strategy level. We're not Yeah. >> Yeah. That's way to get to items in the CIP. Yes, >> a plan can be a bondable expense. I can't explain it, but it's true. >> All right, so you just mentioned um ad money for West Haven in the out years. I
I'm >> still very confused as to what the 15 million that's already been allocated is. >> So my understanding um is that CRJ asked for 15 million >> to supplement, you know, LITC and the rest of their funding stack.
>> Okay. Um, and unless it would be somewhere other than the requests table you gave us, I didn't see a new request for more. >> That's correct. The um the money that is in the CIP is exactly what CRA requested for that project. >> Okay.
>> And they do have other funding in the in um in the planning of that as well. >> Okay. So on timelinewise um according to their last free development newsletter in November um a few weeks ago uh they are planning on applying for LITC for income for uh
tax credits in this coming cycle in March. >> Y >> um I know they have their development plan in it just got its first uh comment letter back uh which is going to make it pretty tight to get done in time for March but that's something of a
tradition. Uh so um as far as I'm know the way these things work is they apply for LITC they get the funds by late next year those will be committed they go to banks and uh you know uh what's it syndicators uh to try to sell those tax
credits and get the actual cash and then they start building and their development plan has two two slash3 phases. So, >> okay. >> So, presumably at some point CRA if it needs it, I mean next year CIP may have
outyear funding that we don't see. But back to city manager plea not to throw money at something that they don't have a plan for yet. I'm not sure that outyearing >> it makes sense at this moment. They're going to need more money. I suspect it's going to be an in-ear money request,
more immediate, but uh at this point they said that's what they wanted. So, it's fully funded. >> What else was on your list? >> Increase money for quick builds for next fiscal year.
>> Sorry, Ben. >> Would that be the neighborhood transportation improvement line item? >> That sounds right. You're discussing Yeah. Uh is that a matter of just allocating things that if it is that just a an
exhortation that if this can possibly be quick built, try to quick build it? Is that what we're saying here? >> My understanding is that they're studying this right now this winter, >> right? >> And we'll be be in a position to spend funds soon, but they don't know what those funds will be. And we could we could this time say there should be
funds I um Mr. Chambers, do you is this would this be helpful to you? >> I know until we finish actually evaluating our builds. >> I think I might recommend something like
uh fully fund uh quick builds to the extent of our capacity to continue to deploy them next year. >> That that sounds Yeah. a little more reasonable. >> Yeah. Mine my language was increase the language of meeting capacity that
we've yeah >> and um you know on a similar note uh sorry to jump in but it's pretty identical language I had something similar for bikes um to ensure that funding commitments in fiscal year 27
are adequate to address all Urgent projects projects that are known to be pending or may come up prior to the comprehensive transportation plan's completion. So to the extent that they think they have enough money for the things they need to get done before the transportation plan is done, that's not
a recommendation for change. To the extent that we have all these paving projects, hopefully the schedule will finally be published. We're learning that these things are happening. We're starting to understand the scope of the West Main and Cherry Avenue repaving projects
um that we fully fund uh anything that that needs to be done in the near term that can be done in the near term. >> The wording was address all urgent projects that are pending on bicycle transportation. Is that correct? It was ensure that funding commitments are
adequate to address all urgent projects that are known to be pending or may come up prior to completion of the comprehensive transportation plan. Why is this not sinking in? >> I have one final one.
>> Sure. >> Increase money for solar in out years. Oh, I would that's not what my recommended path on solar would be. >> Yeah, I'm uh I'm frankly uh
befuddled, beused, and uh feeling betrayed by the current administration's behavior towards this. And uh I'm not sure what I don't I I think we're so much in a we don't know what we don't know. >> I mean we know we know what the
incentive structure before us is right now, right? Is that we need to get safe harbored. We need to spend 5% of what our eventual cost will be for each project to get safe harbored by July of next year
or we won't get that 30% solar credit for it. So sustainability is saying that we have plans to get the middle school and the high school ready in safe harbor by next year, but that we have three elementary
school roof replacements coming up over the next 3 years. And as of right now, there is no way that we can get those safe harbored via a power purchase agreement where a private uh company
will build it, get tax credit, and then we pay them for the power um and without any money in the CIP for reaching safe spending 5% this year to get the safe harbor for ourselves. Um so
the way I would word it um is to create a plan and allocate any funds required including in this fiscal year to obtain safe harbor for IRA solar credits >> for all contemplated projects. >> For all contemplated projects.
>> Yep. Okay. >> Otherwise, we're just throwing away a million dollars. It's uh it's frustrating to me that it's gotten to this point after we've talked about solar every single year I've been on this commission in these EIP hearings.
There was a line item before that. Um you know, it's at least 2019. We were at if not further back. We were talking about PPAs. We still haven't gotten a PPA RFP out the door. We still don't know RFPs or PPAs are the way to go. Um and now we're out of time. uh we need to
figure it out by July one way or the other or keeping our options open if there's a way to do that but we need to create a plan and allocate the funds if necessary to make that happen. >> The wording I have is create a plan and allocate any funds required including in this fiscal year for IRA solar projects
for all contemplated projects >> to obtain safe harbor solar credits. Thank you. >> Any thoughts from this side? I'm not trying to ignore you guys. They're a lot more talkative. >> Um I think I think um Rory's
suggested amendment on the affordable housing fund, kind of setting up a program for how that is allocated towards projects is is related to Lyall's first amendment on increasing affordable housing in outy years. Because I think what we're hearing is
increasing funding in outy years doesn't make projects happen. Like we have to staff has to have a plan to to spend that money and and the affordable housing budget and the and you know there's a lot of specific projects in this year and and in kind of the next
couple of years. Um and so that's why the funding is higher and then we we get through those projects the funding goes down. And so I think if we had a program in place where we said we know we're committing, you know, x millions of dollars to affordable housing or we're
getting in these inloo fees every year, we know what's coming four or five years from now. Um, you know, we should build a program that that that makes sure that that that there are people in the development community who are going to build the affordable housing or, you
know, nonprofit developers, whoever it may be, who can start to plan for that and apply for funds and and also ensure that our, you know, the amount that we do have for affordable housing goes to the most high impact projects or or at least it it it achieves our highest
priorities for affordable housing. So, I don't know, Lyle, if if you agree that I think I like I think maybe we can find a way to like make those two amendments one. Um kind of like >> um >> you know, like we're creating this
program particularly focused on on the out years where we don't have projects now, but we know we're going to be spending money on affordable housing. So I would call your attention to last year's set of recommendations number eight which reads
create a funding line item for large affordable housing expenditures with a competitive program for selection of for the out years look to start funding in fiscal year 2031. Um I don't know if we cut and paste that exactly but it's pretty good.
>> Yeah, you know that not sure which one of you wrote it. It's probably some combination, >> right? You >> might recall I had a different proposal, slightly more expansive proposal last year that
>> was uh argued down into what that became. >> Yeah. Well, >> but speaking of not having a plan, to my knowledge, we still don't have a concept plan for Kindle Wood phase 4 that we've committed to fund. Why did we pick that amount? Don't know.
because we don't know what the plan is, but there isn't a mountain there. So, >> so it's a lot. Why don't you read back what you got for all of it? >> Oh my. >> Just
we've we've covered many things. Um the first item was increase money for Charlottesville affordable housing fund FY30 and forward. The next was create a plan for the process by which the $11 million in expected inluth funds and following
expenditures will be spent on affordable housing projects. The next was uh there is a need for staff and expertise capacity. The next was uh increase funding for West Haven in out years which I think we're not doing but >> right
>> it is it is written. Uh the next is fully fund quick builds to the extent of our capacity for the next fiscal year. The next is create a plan and allocate any funds required including in this fiscal year to obtain safe harbor for
IRA solar projects for all contemplated projects. Uh, and we talked about just copying and pasting item 8 from last year as well, >> which I think if we scroll up to our second item, we can sort of mish mash together, which was
create a plan for the process by which the 11 million in expected inlue funds and following expenditures will be spent on affordable housing projects. So, you know, I think the way to squish them together is to change the beginning to
increase FY30 and FY 31 planned expenditures on on affordable housing by creating a plan or a process by which those investments will be selected. >> Yep.
>> That sounded beautiful. Can you give it to me again, please? Oh, no. We can't uh >> roll the tape. Uh >> increase expenditures on affordable housing in FY30 and FY31
by creating a plan to create a process for how those expenditures will be selected. Okay. I have increased expenditures on affordable housing in FY30 and FY31 by creating a plan for the process by which
those expenditures will be selected. Do we have it? >> Uh competitive program for selection. >> Competitive program a plan. >> Yeah. Do you want to add something like a transpar a competitive transparent process or >> Yeah. Yeah. Does that help? I think that would be a
>> okay for the >> collection of projects for >> transparent >> those out your expenditures. >> Well, sorry. It should be FY30 and FY31 and the incoming inlue payments.
>> Yes. Or for incoming inl payments and FY3031. Yeah. increase expenditures on affordable housing in FY30 and FY31 and the incoming inloo payments by creating a plan for the competitive transparent
process by which those expenditures will be selected. >> Yeah. Okay. >> I'm seeing notes. >> I've got I've got a question that maybe could turn into an amendment. Um, so I know that with the ENLU payments, it's
like we don't want to we don't want to start allocating them towards things until we have the money, but we have a couple of big projects under construction. So, we know that some significant inloo money is incoming. And I guess like I'm wondering are we
are we going to be prepared to use that funds? And you know, since affordable housing is a fairly urgent need, will we be prepared to move on it quickly, or is the fact that we have to wait till we get the funds, till we know we're going to have the funds to start to make a plan? Like, I'm just I'm a little
concerned that there's going to be too much of a lag between getting the funds, knowing how much we have, and then turning around and trying to spend them on on important projects. And so I don't know if there's a way we can suggest addressing that or maybe our first
amendment does address that. >> Yeah. Well, and and while we're on that topic, and councelor Payne also um brought this up, we don't want to make these inloo payments uh uh the equivalent to what many states
did with lottery funding and education, which is oh great, we've got the lottery to fund our education. Now, let's let's just decimate our regular budget in and I mean this is on top of our $10 million commitment and we need to fight every
battle we can to prevent that from being substituted. You know, fungeability notwithstanding. >> Yeah, I mean I think there's a tension there, right? Um because ideally we would spend it quickly and we would have planned it already. Um but in
practice we don't have a good process right now that works really any process we just kind of pull projects out of a hat. Um and so that I think you know just just the details of
creating that um are going to necessarily delay spending that money. That said we don't want to wait too long because there are statutory limits on profered money where we would have to give it back. So, it might make sense to just reallocate, spend all that money on cash projects we've already committed
and then spend other cash on future projects. Um, but I'll leave those details to uh future people, I guess. Also remember that once we get cash profiters, the
amounts and the purposes need to be specified in the CIP each year till it's spent. So, I won't be here to remind you. Are are we we're good with this amendment, right? Or do we need to add the time frame portion to it?
>> No, I think it's fine. Yeah. >> Um >> All right. Right. So we had the thing about the um uh the solar and we had the thing about the um quick builds um or ensure that uh
yeah funding commitments for um all the bike projects. Um so I think it's we're down to three correct or there more. So I think we've combined some and kind of gotten rid of some.
>> I'm doing some formatting. Okay, >> chairman. I just wanted to again this is me speaking not as the UVA representative but as a city resident. I just wanted to acknowledge that some of the comments that came up around the parks master plan imple implementation and I understand these are highlighted yellow so they're sort of not fully
formed but I wasn't sure how the rest of the commission feels about maybe asking for an amendment for some specific clarity around um around the parks master plan. >> Yeah, I mean my sense is that by the time March rolls around that's going to
be much more clear. That's that was my you know based on the conversation about these yellow lines that they're still in formation and figure out what we're doing. I mean that's sort of why they're in yellow, right? Uh I think the exact amounts might be in yellow, but I would be surprised if they were going from 500
or 2 and a half million total to 70 million uh by February without some explicit discussion about whether we want to implement the master plan as >> and the reason I bring that up is that is we have this core thread about being a culture of planning and a culture of
implementation and it feels like this is a case in point where we see a completely divergent path. So, if it's helpful helpful to the conversation, as we've noted, we have a parks master plan that actually identifies uh annual uh list of projects that we would actually fund and we're
just waiting right now. We I was just conferring with Miss Hamill, we are waiting to get a list of specific projects to insert into the CIP. So we are using that plan as we've suggested we would to to identify specific projects with specific dollar figures
and I think that's the specific thing we're waiting for is the dollar figures. Um so that th those are upcoming we're in that that is the path we're taking rather than identifying a lump sum each year for kind of a vague master plan implementation line.
>> Thank you. >> I have the motion amendments uh all all together to read again if you wish. How many do we have? >> Four. >> Okay. >> Uh, one is increase expenditures on affordable housing in FY30 and FY31 and the incoming inloo payments by creating
a plan for the competitive transparent process by which those expenditures will be selected. >> Yes. >> Can we move could we say FY29? >> Why do we have to go out? >> I think the concern the specific 30 um
for Mr. Mitchell was that uh that's when the funding drops, but I would be open to moving it. >> Well, it does drop a bit. I'm I'm just looking at some of these zeros out here that we know are going to be filled up.
>> True. >> So, I was just suggesting maybe moving it back a bit. Also, maybe that would give the whole planning process more, you know, like we want this to happen. >> All right. So now you're starting as early as
>> Yeah. >> fiscal year 29. >> Yeah. I mean we want to be ready be you know this whole tying in with the planning of how to spend these making a process for how to spend the funds that needs to happen sooner. So I don't know if that would
help to just back that up. >> Mr. Mitchell, do you have any issue with that? >> Happy to. >> Okay. FY29, FY30 and FY31 and the incoming Inloo payments by creating a plan for the competitive transparent process by which those expenditures will be
selected. There is a need for staff and expertise capacity. Fully fund quick builds to the extent of our capacity for next fiscal year. Create a plan and allocate any funds required including in this fiscal year to obtain safe harbor for IRA solar
projects for all contemplated projects. And the item for there was a need for staff and expertise capacity is related to item one. Correct. Or is it just >> Oh yes. >> Okay. We need to specify that that's what that's about. It's not
>> throughout all of city government. Although >> which some truth to that >> but you know it's hard. >> I'm adding that that into item one. >> Okay. >> Okay. Uh the only edit I'd offer is to swap inlue payments and
allocations and out years. Put the in payments first. They're happening first. >> Okay. >> Any issue with that? >> Great. Makes >> sense. >> All right. Um now I think we can vote on each one.
>> That makes sense. >> We uh probably can vote on the block since we seem to have consensus. >> Okay. Everyone compete with that. >> Are there three of them? Sorry. I I think while you said there were four, but I heard three. >> He combined the um adding the um >> step capacity.
>> I hate to ask you to read them again, but >> but I think we should read them all as a block if we're going to vote on them as block. >> All right, let's do that. >> So, okay. >> So, this is an add-on to your original motion of as follows.
>> Yeah, this is an amendment to the motion. Yes. >> Yes. Okay. Phil, I'm sorry. I'm trying to make the changes to the language that you requested and I don't see a way to do it. >> Increase expenditures in our affordable housing uh to include the incoming L
payments and in years 50. Yeah. Uh yeah, but I put it ahead of the fiscal year 25 to be Yeah. Just flip and then flip them that way. Got it. >> And then figure out whatever conjunction
didn't work and make it more right. >> Increase expenditures on affordable housing. >> Yeah, me too. including the incoming inloop payments in FY29, FY30 and FY30
by creating a plan for the competitive transparent process by which those expenditures will be selected. There is a need for staff and expertise capacity. Fully fund quick builds to the extent of our capacity for next fiscal year. Create
a plan and allocate any funds required including including in this fiscal year to obtain safe harbor for IRA solar projects for all contemplated projects. >> We miss uh the bike half of the quick builds thing that we discussed or did
you guys not go for that? >> I just see quick builds. >> Uh I had ensure that funding commitments are adequate to address all urgent projects that are known to be pending or may come up. uh for bicycle facilities prior to the comprehensive
transportation plan's completion. >> Good catch. Thank you. I see it now. >> Is that a separate item or is that uh replacing? >> I think that's an add-on to the foot belts. Second sentence, fully fund quick builds to the extent of
our capacity for next fiscal year. Ensure that funding is adequate to address all urgent projects that are pending on bicycle transportation prior to the transportation plan. >> So I mean I think that what are we defining? We're just letting
staff will define what urgent means or >> Yes. Uh I think urgent as in uh you know opportunities popping up uh that we'll miss our chance on, right? Is what we're talking about. Things like Jerry's
getting repaved. >> Okay. >> Could we say time sensitive? >> Pressing time sensitive. Sure. >> Time sensitive. >> Yeah, I think that makes Okay, >> that makes more sense now. >> Would you like those again or or shall we vote? I'll do it. I'm crazy.
>> Um, I I think is everyone clear? >> Wild can send you >> notes, but I also will be rewatching the recording for this. >> Happy to email this to you. >> All right. Um, >> yeah, if you could email me, that'd be great.
>> Dan, can you uh call the vote? >> Right. >> Commissioner Stoleates, >> I. >> Commissioner Duranzio, >> I. Commissioner Stolenberg, >> I. >> Commissioner Yoder, >> yes. >> Commissioner Roker, >> yep. >> Commissioner Mitchell, >> yes.
>> Chairman Schwarz, >> yes. >> Mr. Solates, could you please email those that list to me? >> You want it, too? >> Yes, please. >> I'm the one who has to write the memo now. So, >> I'm sorry. >> Like the list. >> So, that is our agenda. All right.
That's it. So, um I guess the next item is uh Rory, how long have you been on the planning commission? >> Uh since uh I think >> Yeah, forever. Probably >> forever. >> Okay. Forever. >> Um >> well, I guess
>> 2018. >> Do they need >> Oh. Um well, I guess yeah. Do you guys have any follow-up? No, that you all had very robust conversation. >> Yeah. >> Can we get it one more time? >> Yeah,
>> it'll be in your packet. >> No, no, but I do want to at this point um just officially end the city council >> Oh, sorry. >> meeting. >> But um we we want to be here for for Rory. What you going to say? >> Okay. Um well I don't really have
anything eloquent to say except thank you Rory because you've um yeah I you've definitely been a major contribution. Um you will be missed. I hope you will be in the audience um >> or be on a beach. >> On a beach. Okay. So
>> you can email us from a beach. Uh, and to follow along as a parting gift, when I joined the uh, planning commission three years ago, we recognized that apparently with all the equipment we had, we did not have a dedicated laser pointer, and I donated it uh, the official uh, stolen from the
Charlottesville uh, Planning Commission laser pointer uh, and cat toy, which I hereby present to you properly by. Well, do we have a motion to adjurnn? >> Well, um before I just want to just for on behalf of city council and others may
have something to say. Again, um you know, I've said this before. I just want to thank you for your dedication and service particularly of this recently just, you know, the lawsuit and your help in gathering that information so that we could end that and we could now
implement uh more fully um the new zoning ordinance. So, um thank you. We're so fortunate in this community to have the expertise of individuals like yourselves up there to to make things like this possible. So, um thank you so much and hope that you get your um I
don't know 15 20 hours a week that you dedicate to this. Maybe even more. I'm not sure. But yeah, that means more you know that you that you have that time now to spend for yourself and um you can come to the planning commission meetings and you can email city city city
council. >> Thank you. Appreciate it. >> I would I would just add, you know, I've appreciated your time and um I think um one of the valuable things I think you've contributed to the city and this whole is that you're not afraid to disagree. And I think, you know, that
that's a I generally mean that's a good thing. Um sometimes people are afraid to disagree. And I've always found when we've had disagreements, you're always extremely thoughtful and um stick to the arguments or issues you've changed my mind on. And I just really appreciated that perspective you've been able to
offer on the planning commission. And as others said, I think you've made, you know, a direct positive impact on um multiple areas of the city. So thank you for your service. >> Thanks. I just wanted to add and please don't interpret this as damning with faint praise. It's not intended that way. It's
actually damning with high praise. You think differently from the way that I do. And it's very helpful to me to hear from people who think differently about the same problem from the way that I do. And I've learned a lot from you. Thank you.
>> Thanks. >> I certainly won't be left out. Um although I did think the the mayor did a great job of summarizing um how we feel about the contributions you've made and the um the incredible
support you've given our staff and our community um with your absolutely encyclopedic knowledge of everything um and the ability to I mean I know I I've had the the luck of um knowing you
well enough to call you to to confirm term things about wait I thought it was this figure what was it and then you're like oh as per this this this and this it's really um helpful getting to the bottom of of past protocol and past um
uh things that have happened up on uh the dis but beyond that you have been um uh helpful in in teaching and guiding not just me but other people who are wanting to be um urbanists or forward thinking people
about how we can better shape our city. Um and I I really appreciate the effort you've gone into posting in all of the different places um as well as the very comprehensive and thorough um feedback that we get to
council and and I know you're going to get some time back, but hopefully we continue to get some input from you. Thanks for everything so much. I'll chime in on just I'm I'm new, but I've watched everything
going through the zoning ordinance change. Um, and I just I I kind of like you, like I'll think one or two steps into it and then Roy will come out with like and I just really appreciate learning
from you. Um, and um, cuz I I feel like I'm more of a general trying to tie things together and you can like dig right to the bottom and um, seem to be up on all thing, but you know, I I just
appreciate having that knowledge um, in the group. So, >> I'm sorry. I must add uh, it it's been just such a joy to work with you over these years over maybe a hundred different things, maybe a thousand different things. It's in innumerable.
Um, and just your your your passion and your energy I will never understand or relate to in any way, but I I respect it. Thank you. >> I gave you the laser pointer. >> So there there have there have literally been moments when I want to choke the
living day. But, you know, years. >> Yeah. But at the end of the day, when I sit back and I listen to to your reasoning, I have to say, "Okay, um, if you could just say it a different way,
I' I'd probably go along with him." And, you know, I mean, when I when I when I put my translator on and I hear it a different way, oh, damn, he's right. Um, and you've been right more often than you've been wrong. Um, you've also been quite the lightning rod. And, um, you know, I've gotten burned a couple of times.
as you've been struck by by lightning. But um you you persevered in spite of the uh push back that you got from uh many who disagreed with where you were trying to take the city. So I want to congratulate you for being so persistent in your uh in your beliefs. So thank you.
>> Thanks. >> I just want to quick add uh we first worked on the downtown planning committee. I think it's the first time I encountered a satin meeting with you and right away I knew you were kind of committed and uh had such great insight and um the dedication was really
inspirational and so again I hope you know stay your level of commitment and your sort of level of inquisitiveness I hope I can carry that forward whatever capacities I help out the city. So, thanks Rory. Thanks. >> When I first joined the planning commission in uh September 2018, uh we
were most of the way done with the comp plan, figured we'd knock that out by uh early mid 2019 and then maybe another year for the zoning rewrite. Um and you know, quick two years and I'd be out of here. Um, so you too uh can be tricked
into staying on here for more than seven years and remember everything. Um, you guys will all get there one day. Um, but, uh, but really it's, uh, it's been a pleasure serving with all of you. Um, and you know, looking back, uh, going all the way back to those comp plan
meetings in 2019 and 2018, um, you know, it's, uh, it's been, uh, remarkable how much we've done along the way. Um, and you know, I very proud of what we've all accomplished here. Um, and you know, now implementing it all is going to be up to
you guys. Uh, so I hope you guys will stay on top of it. Um, stay in the weeds as much as you can. Pay attention to the details. Um, and make sure uh that we make this comprehensive plan vision for the city uh work out not just through the zoning ordinance um, but in the
coming compre comprehensive transportation plan. um in executing uh the projects that we have in our CIP that we've been awarded through SmartScale that hopefully very soon we will see breaking ground on the things
that uh Ly and I were uh on committees for uh reviewing when we had first been awarded them back in 2018. Um and um I look forward to seeing where the city will go. So, thank you all. >> Thank you.
THAT it >> all right. Uh, Mr. Chair, I had this whole thing prepared about this being John Milton's uh, 417th birthday or something and snarky comments about it being better to, you know, rule in hell than serve in heaven and the appropriateness of all that. But
in light of the evening, I I just want to point out that uh in honor of the season, it happens to be uh National Pastry Day, which I think is something where as much disagreement as we have, we can all agree that we can go out and celebrate that.
And let's adjourn. And happy ho everybody. >> Second. Good night, everyone.