Thank you everyone for coming to Apex September meeting on this fine Thursday. Um we'll start as always with introductions. So we'll go around with our name and neighborhood and maybe one thing we're
looking forward to or most excited about fall. We did this once with summit and generally people didn't like summit. I used to be more positive about um yeah let's start
I'm Higgins I'm a co-chair of feedback. I live in Belma and I am looking forward to eating ice cream in the fall. Pumpkin ice cream. I look forward to eating ice cream all the time.
I'm Dev. I am a worker at UVA and I live Rock Creek and I'm really enjoying the cooler weather. And I'm Peter Krebs. I live in Belmont and I work at the Bemont Environmental
Council. Um, I'm uh also very excited about the cool air, good sleeping rather. I'm Jen Fleer. I'm with Blige Health District and
um I'm excited about fall because it means Loop Deville is coming. I'm Kevin. Um I'm excited for fall colors. Kevin, sorry. Should we specify? I'm Zoe Menber. I'm the city's transit
planner and I live north of downtown. Um I love fall and be very excited for lots of things. My favorite aspect of fall happened this past weekend when I went apple picking with my family every neighbor. Um professional week without driving
this one right after. Yeah. Uh Tommy Sophernic, bike and pest coordinator. from Martha Jeff neighborhood. Uh, fall I get to wear hoodies. We're saying what we like about fall, correct?
I'm Kyle Rodman of the State Press School Coordinator. Um, no surprise I love mountain biking in the fall. Kevin Winell with Charlottesville Community Bikes. Uh, I live out in Crows, uh, but obviously work here. And
um what I'm looking forward to most is that my 5-year-old uh just found a bike that he loves and he's pedaling it now. Uh and he said when we were going around Cros going to his school the other morning, um he wants to grow up and
build sidewalks on top of the roads so that so that so that cyclists have more space because there wasn't enough. Your work here is done. Yes, exactly. I wish I recorded it. I was too busy crying.
Where's the next council mean from? Um I'm James Van Franken and the other co-chair of BEC on Bridge Street and my favorite thing is um briefly running
is a is a good temperature. Running feels pleasant. Um you're doing it wrong then. Maybe I'm doing it wrong all the rest of the game. Um, people online, would you like to you're
welcome to introduce yourself if you're able and can Herb I see you're you're ready? Absolutely able. Herb Levy live in North downtown and what I love about the fall is that when I finish riding my bike, I haven't already taken my shower.
Nice. Um, John Trevor. Hey everybody. I'm John. I am from I live in Belmont and I I know a handful of y'all and excited to listen in and hear what's going on. Um, excited about
all the fall outdoor activities. Um, and definitely the sweater weather. I'm on board for that, too. Thanks. Awesome. Thank you, Josh. Hey, Josh Kron. Uh, live in Locust Grove and I think somebody mentioned it, but
I'm also excited about the week without driving because cars are annoying. Amen. Um, Natalie is driving, but for the record, Natalie Ashin is here. Introduce herself. Um
why why and Ethan um I know Ethan's declined to be a panelist. Okay why if you would like to speak um hands so you have to become a panelist if you want to talk so I can try to promote you
now um and you just have to accept it. There you go. Hello. Hey. Hi. Uh, my name is Y an uh I live in north downtown area and I moved in from
Bloomington, Indiana about two three months ago. Um, and yeah, I I ride bike, I walk, ride the train. Yeah. Everything. Thanks. And Wa, you're you're on a new committee. you're jumping right into
transportation. Do you mind just saying saying more about that? Uh I haven't heard anything other than I was kind of elected as a member of the new transportation committee, citizen advisory committee, I I believe, but I'm
not entirely sure what that entails yet. Thank you. Look forward to hearing more about that. Um Josh and Ally, you've just joined. You're welcome to become a panelist if you'd like to partake in the conversation, but you don't have to. Um
Tommy will send you an insight to that shortly. Um let's move on to the agenda and meeting notes from last month. Does anyone have any comments or any objections to those?
Okay, lovely. Does anyone have any public comments they'd like to make? United's I'll simply say these two-page neighborhood summaries have been really helpful. Uh these are ones that the city
developed uh for each of the I think 19 different neighborhoods in Charlottesville. We talked about them a little bit at the last meeting. We've been using these in Charlottesville community bikes to identify which neighborhoods we're not currently getting with mobile clinics so that we can be more targeted uh with these. And so uh just thank you city of
Charlottesville for doing something really great. Mikey, right? That's like Yeah, sweet. Yeah, O's idea. Um but yeah, Mark Mike did the hard work. Hey, remind me to follow up with mobile
clinics with you at some point. I have a specific thing I want to talk to you about. Can you tell us where you found this? Uh they were shared with everybody who's in Bpack on a Google Drive in a folder and you can just go in and grab them.
I think um today actually OA may have sent an email. I haven't followed up on it but um to all the neighborhood leaders where I think they're now accessible on a city website as well. Um, nice. Which after I looked at that, maybe I can just forward that email to DPAC.
Yeah. Okay. Why do I do you have public comment? I saw your hand was raised. Uh, sorry. Yeah, I was having a call. Um I I just want to share like brief kind of first impression of Charlottesville
coming from uh Bloomington which uh I'll say have a little bit better infrastructure in terms of like bike path and two thing that I really kind of noticed was the first of first
one is that I don't see this kind of a larger scale uh how do you a planned uh route across the city that connect like east west, northwest, north, south. Uh in Bloomington, we have this kind of two
main uh roads that mainly for cars and then in between there are a lot of like uh greenway project across neighborhoods and that's kind of intentionally designed to connect all across the town.
uh I couldn't see that kind of more high level planning and structure. Maybe there exist but I I just couldn't see. Another one was really the absence of traffic coming in like neighborhoods.
Um, I really like all this like quick builds, but my my kid is in sunrise and I always ride bike um and drop him off at the school. But the quick build doesn't seem
to do much if all the roads are wide and fast. And then yeah, the cars are driving fast except that small section. And I think I feel like there's very
little uh traffic coming. I don't see any speed cushions or these uh narrowing street narrowing structures or chicane uh which I could see everywhere in the neighborhood street.
So, uh I I think that'll really help uh to make neighborhood at least like really safe and once you have the safe neighbor street, you can connect them to each other to create this uh longer
route across town. So, I just want to share this u impression as a kind of a new new person to town. Yeah. Thanks. Thank you for that. that's helpful to have first impressions as people come from other places. Um, and I'm sure
you'll we'll use your um perspective as we talk more about traffic coming and um thinking about planned routes. We have some of that in the works and certainly more to come. Um,
so I think we can move on to questions for staff. You'll have seen earlier today Tommy sent out the staff updates. Um there was some great stuff in there. A lot of interesting things about upcoming infrastructure projects, new bike racks.
Um does anyone have any questions regarding anything in the staff updates? Um sorry, I'm just getting up to speed with the staff updates, but I am furious to
know more, Tommy, about the RFP for um managing and maintaining the bikew walk seat bill and I assume bike seatel walk like those kind of prop online properties if you will um just curious like what the budget is for that
and kind of what are the long-term goals for that and who's like oversight who like is that a pure lease city program I know Peter loves these websites but like where like what is the constellation of effort stuff that is
behind those platforms. Um, so yeah. Um I'm sorry. I think there was like a couple questions in there, but the first one like the the the answer is like again that's a um that is the result of
the initial push after bike month 2024 of needing a website called Bike Seville. and Peter and my in other conversations with folks about um what
at the time was the easy routes now quick routes um pro project. Um yeah I and so we stood up the uh the bike seville and um we need to um stand up um
walk seville under the same domain bikew walkville uh and the other part of that RF is the um ebike voucher um website and essential program it it's it's the website but I'm calling each one a
program because there's press releases, social media graphics you know, stuff of that nature, videos, blogs that need to get generated um as part of that. Um, and so there's need to be some maintenance um for each each of those um
after we we build them. Um so we built some of them, we need to build a third, and that then we need to look at maintaining them. Um, I think that I'm going to try to answer your question, uh, in terms of like what's the what's
the constellation of efforts. Um, right now, uh, Peter and I Peter and I had talks originally. I expect we'll have talks again when we get to Walkville. Um, um, he's got some funding. I've got some funding. Um but a lot of this right
this efforts getting getting um the bike improvements um fund which is supposed to be hoping the bike and pedestrian master plan um uh um funding um is coming from there and I would love for this to be more of a
regional effort. Um I would very much love for this to become more of a either TJPDC or a city county effort. Uh I think my goal is to like stand it up and work on those relationships. But I in a
perfect world if we can like get the re the regional help that I think would symbolize that we have come a long way and like and walking infrastructure in general um because the other entities have shown it to be a priority because they're willing to do this. Um
yeah. Does that answer your question? No. No, carry on. Who will how does content get on that site? Like who is going to manage all We don't know. That's what the RFP is for. So, we'll put it out there and people will, you know, apply and then we
have a team here that will select the company that decides to get hired. No, no, that's the company that keeps it alive and built, right? But who and and and comes up with content? That's part of the RFP. Oh, it is to generate content. But so like if we hired an out of town company, how would
they know? Well, that would be part of the criteria to like that would like they would score lower in the the metric, you know, that so someone who's local and knows things like what our community wants on that website and or program would would score
higher. Oh, and then we can submit anything to you that could get to that. Yeah. And that also doesn't like stop us from like hiring some like a subcontractor just hiring somebody to like write a blog one time and we can like add it, you know, but this is more
like ongoing maintenance. And so we would set a budget. We would um we would uh not go over that that monthly retainer, right? And then um we would um uh we would get we would get that content every month.
They bill us, invoice it, so on and so forth. If there was a month that goes by that we didn't need to do anything, then we don't get build. Um, and so we set the top end, but it doesn't mean that we're going to meet that every single year, if that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. But it also might mean that we actually end up do, but we actually focused on
hiring somebody else to like write us something or do us do something. We just That's a oneoff, like a showcase. Yeah. That's like a one-off type of thing. Okay, that makes sense. Thank you. Sorry, I totally recorded that. So, if somebody here is like a writer and likes to write things, um, then you
know, we can have people do that. So, and what's the budget? Do you have a budget, right? To see what I talked to, um, I think we we we've had some budget talks. I'm we're in the middle of working with procurement on writing the RFP. Um, and as I'm learning
more about how that goes, I'm I'm I need to talk more with um Ben about what our budget ultimately is. Um, so yeah, I don't have a specific answer for you about that. Um, because it's been a little organic with
this decision making. Um, you know, I can be let's build a thing and then worry about it later type of attitude, but which I've done, but now we need to be a little bit more thinking long term. Yeah, I guess that's kind of where my question resides.
So like my ultimate goal is like we have if you look at bike arlington, walk Arlington, bike Arlington heavily used, a lot of great resources. Walk Arlington not so much. So there's a lot of stale content on there. I don't want to be that. And I also want to make sure that we um we we
are I'd rather have relevant information that is helpful and good and not like a ton in evergreen that as opposed to like dumping stuff all at once on there. Um so like if anybody if a dad says where do I go to teach my kid how to bike
they'll go there. If a tourist comes to Charlottesville's like where do I go bike they go there. So there's just like helpful relevant information um on on these sites. Okay. But then it have but then it really
needs a strong social tiein. So that would be part of hey because no one's going to find no one's going to websites. So yeah, but that would be part of the RFP that they would manage the social to. Well, there is a there is a social it depends on what their proposals look like. they might come back and say we
we'd be willing to manage, but I haven't had discussions with the city about like or Peter for that matter, like you know, how how that would work. Um, so I'm I'm I'm kind of open to whatever makes the most sense. It's just right
now who owns Bike Sibo Instagram, I don't know. We we kind of do, you know, and also this leads into another conversation I've kind of thought about. We had the bike be pack and I'm I'm not opposed to like giving this to you guys if you think this should be like more of
like the community social. Well, I guess my instinct is like can this live in an organization and not outside the city and outside of like this group because this group is basically not a a thing, right? Um and and maybe the city funds it like
great. So that's my like pipe dream, right? like that be it becomes like its own like Arlington has people in their planning doing infrastructure they have a bike pet coordinator multiple people doing in they have a
a pack and a back they they actually split them up and it's not a BAC and so they split them up and they have liaison for each one but then they have a so total separate office that is bike Arlington walk Arlington that's all
about outreach educ education and and stuff of that nature. So, um like if it lived with the Mobility Alliance or I mean even TJPDC feels like too governmental because I'm I look at this and I'm like this is an advocacy opportunity. This is list building and
this is like you know creating momentum for actually asking the city to to do more and better and different things than what they're doing now. So it feels odd to have it like within the city or take on a missed opportunity. Bike Seville website and program existed
12 years ago. There was a website and you know advocacy, you know, waxes and wings, right? Like so that that's going to happen. I I know what you're saying, but I see this I I mean I could be
wrong, but like there can be advocacy within the city government like um like I am constantly advocating for stuff uh within my own city government. Right. But I don't The purpose of bike seville
or walky bill is not advocacy. I'm sorry. That's just not the purpose of it. The purpose of it is to be a information hub and then what whatever advocacy entities exist
could run that that hub. But um there's a couple the main reason is because there is not this like robust multi-year we know it's going to be here in 10 years organization. Even community bikes won't touch this. So I mean
Yeah. No, I mean I I get it. Yeah. So well it needs to be something that like is the umbrella for all things like Kimmy bikes like the ebike ling. It's it is it's like an all-encompassing. So So I mean the point being like okay
well it it it it does make sense for advocacy but could at least someone moving into town be able to easily find the community bikes phone number? you know, that is something that this thing can do, you know, or or they could
Google. I mean, may maybe we don't need this stuff because you could just like I live in Charlottesville and I Google bikes and like certain things come up, but there's a lot that doesn't come up right now like the
the quick routes, quesum the videos that a lot of people have talked about independently showing people how they can get from A to B. And so it yeah it has a lot of value as an educational
and that type of activity is well within the the city's writ but but I just like these you know neighborhood one pages provide helpful information. They don't say like this neighborhood really needs
to stay black or this neighborhood needs to get walkable or whatever. It's like resource and contact and data. Yeah. Yeah. But there's an advocacy component built into anything that we any missed opportunity not to add it.
But I don't think that it's not a missed opportunity. I still think you can bake that in. I envision you guys wearing bikewalk seat belts hoodies in the fall and like that in itself you're advocating for more biking and walking infrastructure and I and people are going to ask you about it. you go here,
you learn more about the community culture, what it takes and what it means. You know what I mean? Like I think of advocacy like, hey, there's a, you know, city council deciding this thing. You might want to show up and voice your kind of advocacy. So, I did talk.
I have had limited talks um with some folks about how we go about just in general like collecting feedback from the public about like, you know, projects for example, right? like you know we went to that V dot public
meeting and it's like pretty pathetic. um not only in the terms of how many people they got to to come. Now, they got I think they got great response online, but in terms of the people that showed up, you know, it was like all of us and a couple other people, but like
there's a lot of people that live in the city the for the star V. Star study at Rich McIntyre. Um, and it's like but and they just check the boxes, right? But even when you went there, like a lot of people don't understand like what really is
this? What are they do? Are they about to build this tomorrow, next year? Are they going to build this at all? Like, so there's like all this kind of like minutia that's confusing to people. I don't know if it what I'm thinking is bikewalk seat belt does the thing and then our city websites can maybe do a
better job of helping to communicate that. And right now it's trying to be both. But if I can kind of live and move stuff over to bikewalk se and make our city pages a little bit more useful and effective being being more targeted in in that type of response or that helpful
if that makes sense. Yeah. Or to find the things that you would expect on website rather than like Yeah. Uh, can one of the Joshes speak to how many hours of actual work um,
Livable Seville people do on in a given week be because Livable Seabville is a non-staff organization that is very much clear that want Seville to be more
livable. Um, but it's also um work to to do the stuff that you guys do. Is there any sense of that? I can speak to the fact that like Matthew Dillicanin invested 15 hours of his weekend to to activate against the
proposed ordinance against that there needs to be Yeah. Where I'm going is maybe there should be a by seville nonstaffed nonprofit I
no more nonprofits. I'm not a nonprofit isn't something that would fall under the city's communications department. Well, we're having that exact conversation because they the city has funding for bikell websites and associated communications.
Um, but it's sort of like a little bit up in the air like you know it is meant to be just purely informational but it feels like a missed opportunity to also be able to capture people's emails and send out alerts. We are we are capturing any emails,
right? But but it requires some ongoing staffing and it requires like towards a a vision or goal or a mission, right? Like if it's within an organization, let's just imagine for a second that it was in community bikes, right? Then all the advocacy could roll up to community
bikes mission. Yeah. I guess I guess I'm I'm not you're I'm seeing this gray area of advocacy versus like, you know, all the other stuff and and I think you're making this hard line between advocacy and all the
other stuff, you know, like I think it's it's um I feel like all I'm doing is advocating and I'm not an advocate, right? I'm a city employee, right? So Well, exactly. So it's a little complicated especially if like let's imagine the city does something that all
of us are really actually pretty pissed off about right it's never happening again instead of is it like seville bike seville when it's kind of owned by the city can't be critical of the city like
it can do some correctly I think BPAC is like that that component I think hm H let's have further discussions um about maybe how to how to employ like specifically the audience of
bikew walk seat belt I think because I think that's like really the specific question because I think in a perfect world you know we've got the city and the county TJP put some money in a pot and we have one or two um full-time
employees on this they have a little office downtown and they are constantly and they lead guided bike rides. They're they're doing all this stuff and they're the ones running the show when it comes to bike walk. Um we were talking a few days ago about
what BPAC is kind of all about and what what it could be and those sorts of things. And um you this this makes me think of that conversation a little bit. And I I wonder if uh you I see like a little bit of a vacuum in what this is shaping up to be.
And in a vacuum you have an opportunity to fill it with an idea. You know when people work on that idea together and they say this is what it could be. And so I wonder if um you know this this is an opportunity for BPAC to be able to uh
take over a bit of responsibility for uh Bike Seville and to be able to deploy uh these resources, these assets uh in ways that align with BPAC's mission uh including for advocacy but but also especially for information sharing. And
so maybe as we figure out more of what we want BPAC to do in the future, we can just include this as part of that mix as another lever that we have to pull. The setup of bike seville was for BPM to be the board. Yeah. Of bike seville,
right? And and this is an advocacy organization. This this entity would never ever say you should sacrifice sidewalk space for more parking. No matter how much analysis, no matter what the analysis says, nothing like that would ever come from
this group. Therefore, it's an advocacy organization, which is okay. This government like the decision to have a well-ordered society is already an advocacy decision. You know, decision that we should pursue housing everybody.
That's a that's a normative decision. So, so it it can be somewhat advocacy, but it it couldn't say, you know, council member X has to go. Certain other organizations might be able to do that, but but we could get people to show up to a
meeting to express their opinions and let you have an opportunity without any shyness at all. Well, you because we it says we're an advisory committee. So, we're supposed to help the city do the work that we want seen, but you um usually advisory the only
advisory committees I've seen, so it's not a lot. My sample size is very small. They have an advocacy arm to their advice. So the it the group is advising the main organization and then they have usually a side not usually sorry in my small sample size
they had a a side um advocacy group that when the advice was not being followed. So it was so it didn't have a conflict of interest so much in advising the
government group because it was they were they were the experts and the government group needed to know what they were doing and um but they but that group that was giving advice wasn't advocating. It was a subgroup of that
larger group that was advocating. So yeah, maybe I don't know why. I think it also depends on who you're advocating to. Like if you're seen as a resource for the city, hey, we're checking in with you all versus
getting the public to advocate to the city or being an advisory board directly to the city that I think that kind of outreach changes like if collectively BPAC is like, "Hey council, we're a little nervous about this stuff." And that comes from the people on BPAC versus hey public council's gonna do
this, show up and say that. That is I think two different advisory wings, right? And I don't know if that would be cross purposes or if it would be both acceptable or we decide we want to do one or the other. And I think if we decide to do specifically advising
council on something, then that would look like the VPAC formally has this opinion about this policy versus getting people out to do stuff. Um, and I don't know exactly where the conflict of interest line lies, but to
me the advoc advocacy option goes two different ways there. Advocacy and advisory. Yeah. your first option being more of what Tommy does on the daily like, "Hey guys, we should do this." And I work for the city and yeah, I'm an expert. The second thing is, who are the guys in that?
But who are the guys in that? Who when I say, "Hey guys," who am I talking to? Yeah, your boss. Gotcha. Who's a great advocate as well? Right. Yeah. But I know what you mean. We've only got to go back. So, we can
I do have some ideas I've been willing to Yeah, we can we can table and then guy at mobility summit. Right. Right. Right. Right. Um yeah. Do you Well, I we don't have to talk about now. Just remind me at some point to talk about like future um
meetings and space where we go and whatnot. So, okay. Um does anyone have any other quick questions for stuff? Okay. We shall move on.
Sorry. Yes. A question. I was scrolling on a receipt right on the way here. Um uh for branding purposes and things to to get out like a thing to add to the to-do list. We've had people stop us on our Saturday
morning bike rides and say, "What is this?" And it would be fun to be able to hand them a little note card business card with a QR code. You did that for the RTF. Like all the shops have people QR codes so we could just rep Yeah, you've got some bikes.
Actually, I have a bunch. I have a bunch in my office. Something like that or business cardy, but something we could all have on our bike. So if someone says, "Hey, what's what's this all about?" We can be like, "Oh my gosh, this is really going." I think that would be great to have. It
could be general Bpack. It could be a BCville thing, but a way that it's easy for them to remember the info that we told them. Yeah. I have a question about that. If you're handing something out, telling somebody this is what this ride is, does
that then require somebody to be in charge of that ride and see that it is consistently happening, right? Where does the QR code fill? I think if the QR code goes to Bike Seville, that's why we need bike seville. So
there could be a place for X QR code. Oh, for QR codes. I'm talking about the bike ride itself and like managing the bike ride, right? Like what if it's not like what happens if I get a QR code like, oh yeah, like oh yeah, we ride on Saturdays. And then I show up, you know,
six months later and it's a Saturday and nobody's there. I mean, it could be like here's more info about like events that are happening. This is one of them. Check the calendar for updates. So, we need to pay somebody to keep that calendar alive. That's that's the reason
we have this this uh RFP is because like we're depending on a volunteer that would get interested in other things or move out of town or whatever. Now, there's now a contract. We know through December 31st this will be maintained and we need to before
the Saturday bike rides go on that calendar we need to check with Ben if he wants that to be a permanent thing. Okay, I get your point with that. Yeah. Yeah. My point is is like another thing for someone to manage and you know because it's like if you're going to
advertise that something is happening you have to make sure that it's happening. Correct. Yeah. And there's this thing that we've flailed. We've tried multiple ways and like we decided that paying somebody is what has to happen. So, um and and it's
it's a from the advocacy perspective, it's a real loss to have somebody go and like land on an outdated web page or whatever. Totally. And Tony, there's a question from Josh in the comments.
Oh, sorry. Um, the question is, are we still on track to bring the history bike pathway to council this fall, or is that a placeholder? reviewing cost estimates and draft designs for options for reducing project
costs. Looking at using in-house labor for deployment as opposed to more expensive contractor support and opportunities to reduce material costs without sacrificing safety and operational benefits of the design anticipated council date is not yet
confirmed. Um, uh, yes. Um, or is that a placeholder? On the staff, it says October, but I think it's the same as the previous month.
Yeah, right. That was that's why I asked Ben to give me update after I shared it with you all. So, that was the update um after he shared it with me. Um, so so he's saying there's no there is no is that we we we don't know when we're going to bring to council.
Okay. Um I think um the cost of some of the materials um are we're trying to determine how we're trying to figure that out with public works and engineering right now.
Um so yeah, that's my last memory of where we are on that project. Okay, thank you. Um, uh, just a on the way here, I was coming up Fifth Street and there was I saw two
bicyclists going south, one going north that I passed on Fifth Street, but then passed me on ridge and like never saw him again. You were going on fifth. I passed him in the bike lane,
but then we got held up at ridge and he zoomed by and I was probably the only car being like, "Yeah, oh, yeah." So, we got stuck at the traffic. That happens. Yeah. Every day. Um, in fact, one of the things I want to do
on bike walkingville is to have like what we talked about, which is car versus bike across the city. Who who gets there first? with a very what time responsible five o'clock Friday during the pound orange
and traffic car there are no language um awesome thank you for all that that was very productive and good um
first special item neighborhood walk audits and you want to take it away sure So, um, my apologies that I didn't get this in writing to you guys ahead of this meeting. So, I'm going to kind of
read it to you. And what it is is um Charlottville Area Alliance wants to um help create a portal of walk audits for city staff to use to quickly
um determine quick build improvements or others um based on those audits and have them at the ready all the time. That's the shorthand for the the project. Um, last time I pitched this to this group and
Matt had asked, "Hey, can we see what's needed to pull this off so we could determine if BPAC um has a role in this project? If this project could be sustainable and doable and feasible and whatnot. So, um I have and I will share
this so that it can circulate, but this is a really rough rough um sense of what maybe we could maybe what it takes to do ongoing walk audits to create a big portal of or encyclopedia or catalog of
walk audits to have on hand. It takes about um I think it takes five humans or five roles. Um a coordinator, a community leaison, a field captain,
a data person, a data analyst or mapper, and then um a city liaison. So we'll assume now that that's Tommy because this idea came from him um originally. Um what was the third role? Third role was like field captain. I'm and I'm yeah
just making I'm just making up now. So just roll with me on on the titles. So the the kids are watching Chin. Oh, sorry. It's a family affair. So the coordinator um is setting the calendar,
running the signups and waivers, sending the summaries, writing the report that eventually gets filed into this catalog and then helps to create an online portal. Maybe it goes through by walk seagull um where the public can kind of
hold the walk audit accountable because I've added into this proposal kind of the future self of what happens to this catalog some more on that the community leazison recruits them they're the engagement person recruits the neighbors lines up any kind of translation or
accommodation services needed collects those before the walk and confirms like consent with everyone and then leads the follow-up communication with the neighbors. The field captain actually does the walk and uses the ARP checklist
that we have um to capture the information during the walk and then does like geo tracking of photos and map and um pins locations that were identified. I'm just making sure that then the data person this may be this may roll into
someone else's role but I think that person maintains like a Google form of signups and maybe um builds a Google map for each walk audit so it's referenceable where we went and then kind of produces a top five fixes for
that walk audit. So we have a summary takeaway that is pinned on that map that could show us where we either need a quick build or a real capital investment or something like that. And then the fifth person is already embedded in this which is the Tommy. So confirms that
this is that it's feasible where we're going or what has been requested. um maybe commits to putting those things in the queue quick build um requests and then updates the status on the with the
coordinator of um what how those quick builds or projects are going. So again that accountability piece though the city person has the owns the catalog they also own the um ongoing
feedback related to the results the the walk audits themselves. So they don't just get done. It's not just about finishing them and sticking them in um Tommy's file. Tommy's also saying, "Here's the walk audit that helped this
quick build get to this number on the on the list. Hey neighborhood, just wanted to make you aware of that. You should make sure that we finish that within the next 120 days. I'm obviously making stuff up from the
way the way you repeat that again. Uh Jen, um that last part where um Yeah. Do you mind that last little and we will have to follow up. So hear my name a lot. Um I'm using your name as a I'm using your name as a placeholder for the city person that owns a
cat. Uh but the official title of the position will be the Tom will be the Tommy. This is exactly we're going to make new Tomies. We're going to make new Tomies. Um, again, this is me just making stuff up based on
what I've heard from folks, which is we don't just want to make a report that lives in a folder just so you have it. If yes, so you have it for conversations when quick bills or funding or something is coming through the pipe and you can say, "Hey, I already know what's needed
in that neighborhood, but also for the public, the people who participate and their neighbors. Hey, we did this walk audit. What happened to it? What about those recommendations we made on the walk audit? What about the top five things we saw in that walk audit? So that's owner of the catalog would be
pushing back out information on this. And who's the owner of the catalog? The tummy. Okay. So we'll have to talk about this because I mean I totally understand why we're going that route. Um we may want to go that route that Jen is making up right now. Yes.
Yeah. But I don't have implementation responsibility to go do stuff. I wish I did. I wish I could, you know, control resources and get things done,
but I don't. And so I don't want to set up unreasonable expectations. And I also don't want but I do like the idea and maybe we can find ways to do this of like the transparency component, right? So, like I view this as like, oh, give me the walk audits. Now I'm going to now
I have these things at my disposal to advocate for these things getting built in the meetings that that Kyle and I and Zoe are a part of, right? So, um, but that's not very transparent, right? That's not People don't see and
understand the work that's being done behind the doors and whatnot. So, I get that. We just we might have to figure out a a way to do both things. Um we need to yeah we need to sit down and like look at it. I think we talked previously about part
of the transparency being letting folks know the summary of what the neighborhood said and then maybe when things happen. There definitely needs to be that we need to do a better job of like telling the story, describing that. But like if we use this most recent example
of of moving forward like we did a b we did a bunch of meetings. We came up with a bunch of projects. We said we're going to do a survey. We said we're going to do this. We're going to say and then like you know it was decided above my level. We're not doing that. We're not collecting feedback. We're not And that
was a big however would say um what lost what did you say? it was a lost opportunity and totally upset but we Ben and I didn't have the ability to change you know that um so
I think what's within the scope of power for the Tommy in the situation is informing planning priorities and shaping but you also are but these are also the um the advisory not to Tommy but to the city so like there might be ways that you all might
want to talk about how to be advising the city and and I and maybe that's through me somehow, but I'm I'm just saying like uh maybe our our power changes or or the our what
we're able to do and not do changes through you advising the city if that makes sense. And I think I didn't think about that as I really thought about it as tracking progress that was completely outside of your department but for purely for the
accountability and transparency. So it's just been hard to do that even when I'm trying to do it. I I there is there are systems in place to track but it's not they're not read they're not being done really in a way that they
need to be done better. Um, and I didn't hear you speak about transit bus stops in that example with the ARP, but if that is one of the key takeaways is which stops are really high need areas. Um, the the way that that
can be implemented in the planning process depends on what stage we're in that planning process for. So if this is a walk audit, catchment audit that happened while I'm in the middle of doing my priorization scheme, it's easier to include it in a list and it's part of the deliverable that is part of a project that's happening in the next
year than if this happens after that year is concluded. Hold on. And I'm and I'm going back and editing the bus stops that I've already provided my organization. I think that's I think the bus stop is definitely part of this. This was just more like Well, I'm making a point about like if it depends on when to stop. Yeah. The
that you're saying the pacing of that particular audit. Yeah. What I will say, Zoe, is you're going to find out that you think there's this timeline, then all of a sudden a month comes by and city council said, "No, this is important now." Now, all of a sudden, we have to like, and what would be really helpful in
those scenarios is if we had a whole bunch of audits on hand ready to rock and roll so that we have the comment, we know what the people from that community want to see out of X, Y, and Z. Case in point, Rose Hill, we're about to do a paving plan and that that totally speeds
up what we were going to do in that neighborhood. And now if we had all these walk audits, we could like go into the planning right now. You know what I'm saying? So like you're totally right. But then al the other thing's true where like you're going to be there
there's going to be stuff that you do. So I think if the if one of the key parts of the of the Tommy/Back role is um purely accountability and transparency post and storage right we got to keep
these things then you can just you just be clear about that like this walk audit happened in winter which we wanted because we wanted to see but right now in the planning cycle we won't be able to act on these five things even with quick bills because there's snow on the ground. So, we'll check back with you
when it's there. I'm getting a period of period of Oh. Oh, sorry. Okay. Yes. Before we talk to you like what's person what they can what's BPAC doing in all of this. No, this is why this is this was given the request of me was like tell me all
the roles and then BPAC will decide which one we're the best fit for. Okay. So, we'd have to decide do these sound like the right roles. Does this give this the deliverable that you initially envisioned in your mind what what um of a I did a little workflow. We don't need to go over it. What tools we
need? Whatever. Um that could be done monthly, but maybe you know it's reviewed yearly. Sorry. Um so, we could say, "Hey, BPAC's going to be the number five. We're going to be the Tommy or we're going to be the community. We're going to be in charge of community liaison because we're all from different
neighborhoods." So I think that will be why I wish I had finished it earlier so that I could have given you all time to review it. Um but now it can percolate. I think it needs two rounds of comments. One does is Jen close to what you think
it takes to do walk on it to give us the deliverable as defined by Tommy which is this catalog that I need on demand all the time. Um and two if it is correct make edits till it is correct. And then two, where do you see if you had to sign
up for to be a part of a role as an individual on BPAC, which one do you think is the most feasible and sustainable and mission aligned? Um, put your vote in and we'll talk about that alignment next time we meet. Or we can
say, "Sounds great, Jen. Seems like a paid job. Peace out. Move. Keep moving." You know, this is not a good fit at So, so like a walk audit is a community engagement tool, right? and and I I feel like you've done an awesome job of operationalizing what is a walk audit,
how ought it to happen, but I don't understand how how it fits into a larger framework of driving change like having a a walk audit well filling up a a binder like having um the the
neighborhood fact sheets for example be accompanied by a walk audit from each neighborhood. I think that's a pretty worthy goal, but it it's also separate from like how projects happen in in the city. So,
so like if there there is a I don't know like a small area plan for Preston Avenue that triggers a walk audit and and lots of accountability is necessary. But Tommy having a a page in the binder like
a a three-year-old walk audit from, for example, Rose Hill and I Rugby. That that's it's interesting, but it's kind of adjacent to what's going on. And it doesn't solve the accountability
problem either because you still have to have due process for that that um small area plan. So, so it it almost seems like rather than like having a great deck of walk
audits, it would be great to have a walk audit is a tool that can be like readily deployed all the time because it's kind of an intensive discovery thing. It's it's not a good way to like have a vision of what's going on all across the
city unless it's really done at scale and and maybe maybe that is the thing, but that would be like 50 walkits. That wouldn't be like a dozen. Yeah. Um real real I'm sorry. So, um I I think a lot of great things are being
said right here and I think that's like, you know, why we keep talking about it. But, um things that keep coming to mind are um or the main thing that keeps coming to mind is like, you know, you're these walk audits when you talk are really like to drive like action and people
want to see like they did this that this thing happened and so action. But we're really talking about in a lot of ways quick builds. Um, and we don't have we talk about quick builds, but we don't have like a quick build program. We don't have a there is no definition in
the city of Charlottville that says what a quick build is. Um, there is no there is no like this is how quick builds work. Um, and it almost makes me feel like you're almost starting to develop that program. Yeah. And you're in and you're and to Peter's point, what he's talking about
when he's talking about there's a small area plan on Cherry Avenue or where wherever else that's looking at concrete. Oh, when they do the walk audit there, they can be like that quick build worked. That quick build didn't work, you know? So, you're you're you're kind of hopefully in a perfect world
analyzing the what we did in a quick build sense for the for the small area plan. if all things work perfectly, which probably will never happen. Um, but I'm just right. Yeah, I think yeah, I was coming through the operational side of it. So,
yeah. Oh, yeah. Go for it. Why? Uh, regarding quick build, I'm wondering whether you have a dedicated team or resource that can just keep turning out those quick build and experiment and
just keep doing it. I I think um a lot of success like for instance in Bloomington a lot of success was kind of having a constant program that just keep running and in doing so uh the team
build expertise and then reduce the cost over a long term and then it just get better and better. Um and Bloomington I keep saying talking about Bloomington but their uh
greenway project um at the beginning I think it took more sessions to get it get the design right but then after that it's just keep turning this traffic calming relatively cheap but very effective measures on neighborhood
street um so I really hope there are more kind of this type of systems in place that we can just keep doing it rather than like one time project. And
also like if I go to like sunrise school on the way, I I do see so many places where um parked cars like blocking the view and making really dangerous. So like it's well known that Hoboken for
instanceense reduced the fatality to zero by just doing really good job at um what they call daylighting. Yeah, daylighting measures and this type of thing can be just it's like really
there's a pattern and we can just keep applying. So yeah, I hope to see more of that. Yeah. Yeah, that's great. I think I think the because I think it's a you're like I I
leaned into like what my strong suit is which is operationalizing and so I think the sustainability part is the coordinator slash um community liaison so that you have a dynamic ongoing
connection so that what tethers them to the now is the checking in with the accountability. So, I was part of a walk audit. It got organized this way. There was followup from the coordinator and here's what I'm
tracking and I keep checking in with that tracking and then I got a message that's like, "Oh, we're doing a small area plan. Come back with us or we're doing it again in winter." So, we've got that ongoing through the tool through the object. But agreed. I don't it should not be a stagnant thing and maybe it does drive
more of a quick build system that's real informative and nimble and dynamic towards permanent infrastructure. I don't know. But and one other thing that I'll put out there within the theory of change is it could be way at the beginning of the
theory of change thing where the purpose is just outreach. It actually isn't informing the city's plans all that much. like there is value in having people walk in their community and like seeing the top. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.
Yeah. But not everyone joins me and not everyone knows about it. And um I do think that there is a world where like as we develop walk that we can maybe like incorporate some of this into that. Um I also just want to point out like Kyle has done several walk audits in the
past for his job. Um, I do think that the ARP model like offers something more unique and that it's more like we're going to do like a half a mile or max a mile of this specific corridor and like really dive into it. But like um you know we have done walk audits. So you're
going to hear that from people like I've done walk audits before, right? So and that's the worry with having a walk audit with no accountability. But I think but I think what we need to do is like go back at those block audits and see if stuff has been done and do a better job of promoting it. like there has been stuff done and showing that
yeah it feels like it hasn't but and sometimes it has and and we are working perhaps on on undoing it and they just haven't seen the connection between the two right I think that could be helpful um there was one other thing and I know
we we need to jump to something else but um well adding the oh the other thing you said is like the other thing that the you know Kyle's walk audits have done in their typically you know with schools You know, I'm really interested to see walk audits in winter, in fall, in
summer, in the morning, at night, when it's raining. So, like with a box in the box. Yep. Exactly. So, clarification I have about those rules because as I was listening to you speak, I think I was assuming this would get replicated across each neighborhood and I'm realizing you didn't say that
that was in my own brain. Yeah. Where would the the community relationships because we spoke last at the last meeting about where it would be appropriate to loop in neighborhood leaders? What where is that in the model that you that would be community liaison and I
filed all of that under recruits neighbors. So that lea that liaison and I didn't envision this being replicated like I was trying to make a very systematic like template that we could just keep replicating. So this week I'm the data guy and next time I'm the
coordinator. You know it it could be that they are roles that you know one crew I had originally envisioned this we had the quick build crew here. No what was it called the quick build committee. Yeah. Yeah. And I thought oh quick build committee should be the walkout
committee. But you know so I'm this this is where it all was born. But I think you're thinking of it right. Yeah. And we spoke at the or after the Rose Hill Walk on it about the way that there are some neighborhoods that have leaders who are have skill sets that are well suited
to recruiting or actually facilitating a walk on it. And there may be other neighbors neighborhoods that have neighbors that have strong connections but wouldn't personally be passionate about walk safety. So there would be some roles that are combined depending on who the person is and some rules that
maybe they're yeah maybe the community liaison needs to lean in more and some neighbor like Belmont we are just now forming a neighborhood association again and uh you know so that would be one where the community liazison person has to lean in a little more and on others
maybe not. So, and so that may be where you're like, "Okay, that's not a BPACK role. That's something else." But, you know, another thing just to throw at you at all of y'all is um you know, the city has this uh traffic calming petition that they can give to Caleb the traffic engineer for and several
petitions have gone over there. But like if if the neighborhoods wanted to do a petition and then here's all of our walk audits like staple to it. Um I think that there could be some like that could maybe help move things forward as well. Oh, that's interesting. So it's like so
you want a neighborhood improvement or something that can be ordered up. I don't know. I can't I don't know. I don't know what you mean by that. And I don't have I can't agree to anything.
I need I need more money. Yeah. I mean there are existing walk orders for their neighborhood that the neighborhoods can attach to their petition. I'm actually saying the other way around. There's existing petitions right now that are submitt
that's that's what we submit exhibit A. Yeah. Yeah. And so like so there's like some kind of discovery process that reaches wide that finds out where there are potential problem areas and then a walk audit is applied to some subset of that
to to really develop it like oh no that that's no it's not a drain problem. it's a curb ramp problem or or something like that and save the city like a lot of money. So to just keep the time moving, I think
I'll um I'll submit this to you guys in a way that people can make comments to it and um add stuff to it, you know, with instructions, comments, and then a summary of kind of what we've talked about the potential for these to be. And
then hopefully we can filter down from there to not only decide should BPAC play a role, is there a role for BACK or um but is this project one worth doing and how does it how is it worth it and that kind of thing. So I'll
try and Yeah. Um, how in in your process I'm sorry if I just missed this, but how does how how are people trained in actually these five people or maybe it's just one person and actually doing the walk audit that was that person is the field
captain so they get training in it from yeah I don't have a trainer role right now so the we we'd have to start somewhere with someone who's done a walk out and then the then I think the the the very the inaugural field captain
would probably I would add that bullet to trains next field captain if there but like is is there like a cuz I it would be ideal to train like multiple field captains all at the same time like if there was a regular walk audit training training yeah an opportunity for them
it feels like we're we're we're creating this whole thing uh does a see other municipalities that are doing this I mean I've only know as much that what they taught us at the walk audit we did with them. I think they they're trying
to train the trainer by giving you that packet to follow. But I think I think it' be interesting question to ask them if they how they how other localities are are going about this. Yeah. How it fits into their their process because it really may be a case
of like you know $10 million V dot project a box needs to be checked. That's a walk audit. Oh, I see. It might be that. Yeah. Maybe no one's giving it a livable sustainable effort. Correct. Okay. Got it. Got it. Got it. And if you are looking for other comps
too, uh public health programs, especially at graduate level, tend to do these or they they have the ability to do them. And um uh I've been involved with some before down in Florida uh that we did in a community I lived at. And uh that was led by designed by a professor
in the public health program. And it was a graduate students uh capstone project for their master's program. Awesome. Yeah. They did like one square mile. Yeah. Right. Public health and planning frequently intersect with environmental justice.
Okay. Entering. Okay. I got my to-do list. Thank you. Thank you. That's good. Um, next I put the alarm on is
um something that we wanted to not really get into today but um kind of briefly bring up today to discuss further in the future.
you want to describe what you're you're listening or do do you do you have a better idea or do I No, looking at this agenda, I'm like I can go um I I just saw you looking at me and I I didn't want you to um so it's a a common question in the
last few years is and we've touched on it numerous times already this evening is what is Bpek 4? What does PPC do? towards point um you know what is our purpose and um we've got a lot of
momentum built in the past year or so new staff people who have come on more more staff capacity and very supportive stuff people who are knowledgeable about these things and and that's part of the problem that like you need less advice
than the city did 10 years ago because you kind of know what we're going to tell you. Um, and with that momentum and new people coming in and new city councilors who are
supportive, it seems like a good time to think about perhaps a short-term one year, two-year work plan for VPC where we really focus down and instead of um just kind of reacting to
whatever comes up and not really having any grand strategy, we we decide maybe here are the three things that we're going to aim aim to achieve and not just impact alone. That happens with other community partners, other advocacy
groups. Um, and so Gwinber and I were thinking it might be helpful to set up a temporary group. Maybe it only meets once. Um just a few people who perhaps have experience
coming up with work plans, who have um opinions about what BPAC might um be doing to meet sometime between now and October's meeting um to come up with ideas to to
brainstorm what could those be to come up with something. Maybe it's a draft work ban. Maybe it's something even less than that. But something for BEC to react to in October's meeting. Um that's the background.
We've just set aside five minutes. As I said, don't want to go into it just yet. Happy to take questions if anyone has them. Um the ask is who would like to be involved in that kind of initial setting the direction meeting?
I see Kevin has no other volunteers to participate in I think that's working group on that. Yeah, thank you is Ethan. Thanks Ethan. I think have a new two.
S A R P. Okay. You have Well, you should ask the third at this point. Absolutely. Uh maybe not. Um so just a followup. So um we we had
talked about um using u using the summit as a opportunity to launch whatever is decided or to really dig in and have it be a big work session on that because the summit's without a topic. I I asked
Ben if the transportation plan would be right for some kind of reveal to the world is existing and a get started moment. Would March be that time? And he said, "Ask me again in 3 weeks." So, so he has some kind of
schedule that's working out that could also like go well with what you guys are doing because city's transportation plan is an obvious work plan. Yeah. Yeah. Awesome. Thank you. Um so we'll
communicate with those people. And can I just offer one more thing? Um this idea emerged from a conversation with Peter and Kevin just around like there's an ecosystem here of people who care about bike and pedestrian safety and
accessibility. And you know, we're all out there doing our work and we have awesome people doing that work and there's not a lot of coordination. Um, and so is there an opportunity? Is is even feedback a place for some of that coordination to happen or is feedback
really just a, you know, just an actor in that ecosystem of activities around bike and pedestrian stuff? Um, and so, you know, would it be helpful if BPAC had a really defined role? Then we can show up with partners
in the community and say like this is our lane and here's how we can work together on various projects. But but but this is our lane. This is where we this is the work that we do. This is the work that we know, you know, Community Bikes is doing and Mobility Alliance is doing. And so just kind of really it's
like doing kind of a landscape analysis and trying to figure out like maybe we want to actually do some coordinated activities and set some bigger goals together. Yes. Around what we might do. I think you while you're having this conversation, you should be talking with
Alber figuring out where the county fits in with some of this stuff. Um like I mean yes and like we're BPAC but what does that mean? We're BPAC. Well like we're only we are the city of Charlottville
and like I would love for there to be a a county like I don't think BPAC can do the county. I think the county needs to do the county and we need to coordinate with them but I would it would be amazing if there was a county Bact I I don't disagree. I would love to
know. I I let's talk later. Let me narrate on that because it's we we we often hear the opposite at the same time that the city and the county need to be talking about together
and how all these roads and sidewalks and path all connect and and if there is a county VPAC then how does this Vpack and that pack work together? um and and whatnot. So, I
don't know. And I'm a little I don't know um worried that there's just not going to be the appetite from the county to stand something up um on their own. And I don't think we can worry about the
county. Like I think as an RV pack like we have plenty to do. Yeah. Um, so I hear you and I'm I'm all for like these are not, you know, these issues don't stop when you get to the county line. Um, and I don't know that
we can be back, you know, is that in Peter's lane 100% community bikes lane, maybe. Yeah, probably. Um, anyway, but just like doing mapping, you know, like and then we could be like, hey y'all, there is no there's no one doing this in
the county. like we are missing or Peter can't like shoulder the county by himself with the mobility lines. I'm making that up. just my my work is better the more that BPAC is a clear entity that wants certain things and you know then we we can take
that to the the county and and I would ask Alber the same thing that I asked Ben but I already know the answer from Alber which is they're going to get through the comm plan which hopes to be finished first week in December and then they're going to start on their
transportation plan so they'll be a little bit behind but that transportation plan really ought to include like our our own bike ped plan. It needs to include cultural elements too like having a BPAC or something like
that. It it shouldn't just be a road. Okay, thank you. That was good. Um, next item is talk about tableabling opportunities. We have one concrete tableing opportunity coming up. um at the UVA
bike uh October 1st social bike ride. No, it's a biking commuter fair. They're tableing, right? Yeah. This isn't their uh bike. I thought they had like a social ride. No, I'd say social, not riding.
It's a social without riding. Just that's a rideless social. Some people have socials without bikes. Totally weird. What? Just biking.
It's a It's a biking event without driving, right? Send me some information for that to be included on the calendar. Okay. Yeah. I'll connect you with I think it's on the bike seville
calendar already. Um, so I think what I'll do is send an email around asking for volunteers to um able at that event. Um, and
then um I think it's a bit like the walk or the more tableabling we do, the better we'll be at it. We'll figure out what works and and we'll build the capacity to do it. Hey Zoe, do you have anything specific for week without driving?
You wanted to repeat that to yourself. You want Well, that's Yeah, that's what I was gonna What about before you ask Zoe that specific Well, so there's there's a bunch of stuff that we there's Lupville, there's this UVA thing, and there's also
are you for the the planet planet? Um, so I didn't know if C3 has reached out to you all. Um, so for um, cheer zone, we don't I don't think we have anything listed for beback to be a
cheer zone. Um, there's a need, but I think also what I what I what what I maybe I think what you're thinking is I've been trying to get a tent and table for for them a tablecloth when so when they do do it and um I think one idea I
have if if we're amendable and I know we've been kind of pushing away from this so maybe we don't want to do it which is um having some sort of bike walk table tent at um RC um and One thing that could be
communicated um in a tangible way is a week without driving. Um I mean if Kevin wants to make his right his cheer zone shared with that info then I'm down but we're on a hard no
tableabling for this loop deville. So we need to talk about I just signed up to table. You mean you've signed up for a cheer zone? Now for the free trail heads.
So uh who did you sign up with? Um I was Please don't tell me the county. Don't say please don't tell me the county. That was what we were told. Oh my god. I'm going to have continue feedback so Tommy and I can
have a temper together. Okay. um announce driving. Yeah. How do we That's a part of a graph to tell the week without driving. So very very brief because I know we're trying to wrap the meeting up. Week without driving is September 29th through October 5th. That's a Monday to Sunday. The challenge is for
participants to sign themselves up to a commitment to not drive themselves in a personal car for that seven days. If you fail, that is okay. You can still participate. It's as many mode switches as you can handle. Um there's going to be support coming out with resources to
think through your trip planning and trying to convert to public transit where you can. Um also hoping to gather some journey user experiences um in some sort of way that can be a capsule um and continue to be talked about after week without driving. the events that will be
kind of championed or where people will be in our room together are going to be in Lupville which is actually two days prior to week without driving but you can still take the bus there. Um we're hopefully signing people up in different cheer zones. Um CAT should have some
merch like pen that says week without driving that we can hand out for folks who do sign up so there's some tangible visible icon. Um and then week without driving starts on Monday. There will be potentially the VA event on Wednesday I guess. Um and then for the planet on
Friday um and other media coming everything is through the landing page on mobile seville. Um and several logos are getting added as we speak. We just kind of stay. Are you already working with UVA? I have not reached out to you. So I'll
forward Chenon's email about the event that went out today. I'll send it to you. Please do. Yeah. Great. Yep. And I plan to reach out to UTS and a student president of the student planners association to see if there's interest in other just sharing right now sharing
information and encouraging folks to take commitment and yourselves thinking about how you might get around. We're active transportation not your primary mode too with prizes at the end. Yes. Yeah.
And um excellent. Feel free to use the to send things to the email list. Yeah. Can I leading up to it? Can I put a plug in for the BPAC email list? I feel like there's so much more of this kind of thing that can get
shared on the BPAC list. And I know I am not always awesome. Very terrible actually at sharing things with the BPAC email list, but it seems there's like over 100 people on that list. They all care about this stuff. Like if we're not kind of preaching to our own people then
we can do better. Let's do better. We should do it directly. I thought it was maybe their process but we can just directly write to everybody on the email. Okay, great. Anyone can Awesome. Okay. Yeah, we'll pick up. Yeah, except you're trying to find like
discounting that claiming then you're off. Yeah. What's up with that? What's going on? Stay focused. Say focus. Anything else in here? The first time we had issues. Okay. I think that just about wraps us up. Um, as always, if anyone has any
requests for agenda items uh for next meeting, feel free to let me know. Does anyone have any other quick announcements? Can I just put on agenda items? This was the first month we included transit items and they're towards the end. So, if you haven't had a chance to read it
before this meeting, oh, that was um if you all haven't already completed and given back the little CCB survey that I handed out to everybody, please just take a moment and do that. It'll
help me design cool t-shirts. Are you going to share this with the VP? Um, I Yes, now I will. Google. Sorry, I was so stupid. Okay. Anything else before we go? Whoa. So, I need to um moving forward
for our meetings. Um it would appear that I don't know if you noticed our last meeting um we had a meeting waiting for us to end and when I went back to look at the availability, it looks like they I I'm assuming kind of added on to theirs so
that we come up time. So, we don't have the option at this time for the remainder of the year at um city space. Um it's been this day at this time for the as far as I if you go back and look
at the meeting minutes, it's I think it's always been the first Thursday at 5:00. So, I don't know if we want to entertain. I also don't think I mean in some ways like it make the city space door is locked as well. So people calling this
phone and going over there in some respects is easier for me to to to let people in. Now I there there has been talk about like not allowing afterhour meetings uh in this space.
Yeah. But I don't know where else we can go if that were the case. So I I'm pushing forward at the very least doing our BPC meetings here for the time being. Yeah. So we'll we'll be here for the near future at least.
Then we'll see. Okay. And we attempted a number of years ago to to find a time that would work for changing the defect standing time because it conflicts with the schoolboard which I personally struggle with. Um I would have loved to have been at the schoolboard meeting tonight. Um, and
and we've also heard like if 5:00 can be challenging for people. I'm also aware that like 7:00 for staff can be challenging or you know like there's there's lots of pluses and minuses when we kind of went around trying to find a new time on top of the fact that like if
it's possible to not conflict with another city meeting. Um, but anyway, if folks are eager to try to change the meeting time, we could attempt that again. It doesn't solve this pro the space
problem though. It sounds like well if it's midnight at the TGPDC meeting that happens. Oh, but that's but it's the same issue with like the dark. if if you wait we yeah we can look at the city space schedule and identify
availability you know like on a regular basis and if if I could I've technically seen you guys some like days and times that like typically are open and then once we get in there we can have them this is always
going to be available to us right so right then it's like easier to open the store than it is to open you have to walk a lot further or leave a rock, which seems like why are we having locked doors if we're leaving a rock? You know, rocks are great though.
It's not possible to just get the keep the door open. At city space, even for like city council stuff, we put like a trash can in the way. I mean, this door, the idea store, we have I have asked facilities um the
security people and they said no. There's a way to open the city door. Former Todd did. What do you mean by open it? Like unlock it. There's like a code that he punched in that hanger. You unwind coming in and out of the door.
We're going to be in this room at this time for the foreseeable future. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We have two days. Thank you everyone and we'll see you next time. There's something I want to add. We can type the list.