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He's not. He called me this morning. He is headed to Tennessee for a funeral. Sounds like it was unexpected. >> So, good evening everyone and welcome. I'd like to call this meeting of the Charlottville Police Oversight Board to order. This is July 9th, 2026. It's

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6:31. I'm Z Frasier, the chair. Wonderful board members. Um, let me just go over the ground rules real quickly. U, we want to adhere to respectful conduct. Uh, treat other attendees with courtly, listen actively, avoid interrupting, and refrain from any

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personal attacks or inflammatory language. We'll have two public comment periods uh in which uh members of the public either in person or virtually [clears throat] we'll have three minutes to speak and um there will be no dialogue, no answering

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of questions, just you can speak and then if you have questions you can direct them later to the office and you will respond. But the point of the public comment period is not to engage dialogue or debate. Um when you uh if you choose to speak, please state your

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name clearly, any affiliation, where you live, your res album or Charlottesville or another jurisdiction. Um and any questions or comments can be addressed to povsharville.gov, which is our email address. Mr. Walker,

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our acting director will get back to you back. So with that said, Mr. Walker, would you please call the role? Sure. Um, Mr. Vaughn, >> uh, Mr. Fry here, >> Mr. Lefave here.

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>> Uh, Dr. Fraser, >> present, >> Dr. Dobson >> here, >> Mrs. Reeves >> here, >> and Mrs. Lenwalk Hill >> here. >> And Mr. Dillard informed, uh, us that he would not be present today, earlier today. So, >> okay. >> Um, first order of business is the

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approval of our agenda for tonight. Board members should have seen the agenda. I will entertain a motion to accept the agenda as written. >> Moved. >> Second. Okay. All in favor? >> And then the minutes from our June 11th

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meeting which Mr. Walker sent out. If you had a chance to review those, I will also entertain a motion to accept the minutes as written. As there are no changes or additions. >> So move. >> Second. >> Second.

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I recognize >> um announcements. [clears throat] Mr. Walker, you want to give us an update on certainly the uh pending ordinance changes and then we'll go down through the other announcements. >> Yep. And then then also if any board members have announcements, feel free to

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to chime in again there. Um so I just wanted to give an update to the status of the ordinance proposed at council. Um this is kind of a major overhaul of the PCOB's ordinance. Uh thank you for coming to that council meeting. It was a great representation of support.

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Basically we're under we're in the process of legal review right now. So there's two legal reviews happening simultaneously. Uh one by the city attorney's office and one by our independent council um who had attended in the past. Um and I met with both in the last week or so just kind of check

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in um expectations of kind of what's what's going to come out of that legal review and to establish a timeline. So, both will have a response to a series of questions and they're reviewing the red line and all that by kind of near the end of this month, which means just

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because of the timing, we should have a we will have a final draft that comes to the board for the August meeting so that the board can do a final vote. Um, I will get it to you well in advance. There was a couple little tweaks that have been made. Um, and then there could be changes that come out of the legal

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review as well, but I'll highlight those for the board. And then once the board has that final draft approved, that will go onto the council's agenda for a first read and a second read. So, right now, we're aiming for September. And once that's done, then we will, you know,

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that'll be in the past and we can move on to actually doing or we're doing the work now, but really focused on that because, you know, the ordinance has been a huge kind of burden of making those adjustments so that it reflects what this board is doing and can do. Um, so that's that update. And then another

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thing to highlight is National Night Out. This is a a police event that occurs across the country. Um, but CPD, they have their event down at ORT Washington Park. Uh, Lieutenant, do you know the time the start time? >> Yes, 5 PM. >> Okay. 5 PM. I wasn't entirely sure on

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that. >> Um, >> and the date of that August 4th 4. >> It's a Tuesday, I believe in the evening. And so, we always have uh the PCOB has always attended and set up a table, give out a lot of stuff. It's a great opportunity to talk to officers as

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well as the community. >> So, it's a it's a great one to have on your calendar. Um, and then I will be sending out just kind of a poll to ask about dates for a retreat. That's something that the board has talked about. We can get away from at least downtown and have a space where we can

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um, I think create an agenda together that will serve all of our needs, do some training um, and just have a good time together. So, >> and if I can just interject, Mr. Walk and I are currently looking for a facilitator, someone that has experience

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facilitating uh retreats for boards. And um so if you know of someone or had a good experience with someone who's let us know sort of in the early stages of of researching that to come up with somebody that we think would be a good fit for us. So

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>> or if you have ideas for locations too. I mean, we have some ideas, but other other tropical who's playing who's paying for those plane tickets. Um, and and then I'll also ask about shirt sizes because I was going to get a couple more shirts and um

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maybe fleces or that kind of stuff. I know everybody has one, which is great. It's just that we're running out of certain sizes and you know that things it's good to get a fresh set. So, um, and you can all >> hats now bottled by our own Dr. Dodson.

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>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yep. I do have those hats in the office. So, if you want a hat, um, have a couple colors for those. And And it was your friend that created the logo. >> You got a friend that >> It's the meant to be. It's the bridge in the mountains, right? >> Yeah. That was >> I need to I need to It knew what it was,

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but I need to make it a little bigger that because it kind of blends together. It's hard to tell. Kind of looks like a shark. >> So, yeah. Um, so yeah, and that'll come out through email and a text. It just be a little poll. >> Exactly. What kind of experience are you looking for for someone for the retreat?

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>> Um, someone that has uh sort of corporate consulting retreat u facilitating experience. It's a pretty it's a pretty defined profession and there's lots of folks around but you know they have particular uh emphases in

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what they do and some of them work more with nonprofit boards some more with municipal boards and so I just want someone that could work with you know our board and our agenda so it understands us and appreciates the diversity of our board and you know would really get things rolling and keep

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things moving and facilitate some some real um sharing All right. And then the only last thing I was going to mention is that the the Market Street garage, they are going to be working on um some of the upper levels. So, it's going to be very limited parking. I think it's only like

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the first and some of the second level. Um so, just be aware of that. It's like over a month when you walk for you can park in Water Street and I you can validate parking for Water Street, but perfect time of the year for the heat and all that. Um, so just just be aware of that.

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>> Mr. Walker providing shuttle service. [laughter] >> Give me a call and I'll come pick you up. >> Um, but that's all the announcements I had. So unless you know anyone has anything else on their mind. >> Do you think I should uh everyone everyone in Charlottesville has

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turned around for whatever that noise? Um, but yeah, >> running for his life. Do you think it's do you think it's a better time now or later to bring up what we were talking about earlier about peace review? >> Um there is a good spot for that later. Um >> kind of like item there's a lot of

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noises tonight. Okay. Item uh six or seven I think would be a good spot for that. First public comment. Anyone online? Remy >> Zoom says we have one attendee, but I

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don't see anybody there. >> If you're watching online and raise your hand if you want to speak, >> but otherwise would like to >> any public comment from anybody if you're free to or not. >> Well, I just got a comment. Um, it's

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been years since I did the facilitating, but basically the facilitator really don't have a whole lot to say. It's up to the participants to he's more like a moderator in my it's been my experience. So, it's it's not a whole lot to

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facilitate. Facilitator basically don't have a whole lot to say, you know, far as injecting, you know, it's mostly he's kind of like holding the mic and that kind of thing. So, that's just something that came across my mind. Not a whole lot to that other than a lot of

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times I would say a poor facilitator will be one every time somebody gets a talking he gets to interjecting and that's not what the what the facil facilitator should be the one just making sure everybody has a time to express themselves and that kind of

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thing. You guys probably already know that. >> Thank you. No appreciate that. >> Yeah. So >> all right. Um are we on item five? Mr. Walker. >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. So, I'd like to welcome again Miss Kim Powell, who's the uh chief

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operations officer for Charlottville public schools and Lieutenant Greg Wade, who is in charge of community outreach. Did I get that right? And um I if we could um maybe just begin

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with giving a sort of the longer elevator speech about theou and where we are in the SRO's and then Greg can certainly chime in. I'd like to hear from him. >> Absolutely. Um this is um besides community relations, Greg is also my liaison and >> for for for the school system

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>> for the school system. We've gotten to know each other quite well since 2020. Um wow. when the SRO's were removed. Um, [clears throat] so I was essentially in this same position I'm in now over operations and some other things when um

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it was voted to remove the officers when we had you know students weren't in school because of the pandemic, right? And um we we came up with the working group that worked for a very long time at that point to come up with what we

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were going to do in the absence of SRO's to handle different situations. Um we came up with like a protocols document that the chief at the time did sign, but it was um what we found in reality when students returned is it was like trying to script a play with an

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everchanging cast of characters. And these are moments that are stressful and it was just really really hard. Um so we had a lot of stuff happen in our school division when students come returned. Um but there was no one moment there was no

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one thing that um caused us to you know want to bring the officers back um or to start those conversations just uh it it's really I view all areas of safety as a continuous improvement work. Honestly, the industry itself, the

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safety and security industry is always evolving. The challenges are always evolving as I'm sure you hear from Lieutenant Wade and his compadres. And it's you know we are schools um you know what what what happens in the community

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comes into the schools and what happens in the schools also shows up in the community and so um communicating and working together is not optional. what we would try to help people understand is that just because the SRO program was ended in 2020. Um, and it it was a great

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opportunity to dive deeper into our practices and see, you know, really understand where police are needed and and fully recognizing like maybe areas where police, you know, get maybe did get involved under the old model but really don't need to be involved going

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forward. And so I'm I'm grateful for all the lessons learned. Um but it's it's it's been some there's been some hard times and so um we've also had a very robust workg group this goound and ironically we've had more community

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engagement. Last time there was a group that formed staff various stakeholders students but that group there was really not that much outreach. there was one big public hearing um or public event where there

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was discussion about different options for models. This time there's been actually so many more Zooms and public outreach sessions to hear from from folks about their concerns. And I would say that um the concerns really shaped

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theou. If you look at theou from the first inception or the first iteration that we released to the last one, there were there were big big changes all along the way and um so we're just grateful for all that input. I know some um members of the community

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are not happy that the SRO are returning, but [clears throat] people who come up as educators are simply not trained to um do the type of work that we have to do um by virtue of state code or just virtue of

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practicality and and the and make keeping everyone safe. And so having consistent resources in the building at the secondary level in particular is just very helpful. We also hear repeatedly from members of the community and families who who just missed having

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SRO's as additional resources for their families. They talk about the relationships they had with SRO's that serve them well both in school and outside of school. And although those voices may not be the ones that you know people hear from most often or most

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loudly, those relationships and those stories are very real. And the people who talk about those things always are talking in the first person about things that actually happened to them. Whereas a lot of the folks who and I'm not, you know, we're were sharing concerns weren't necessarily bringing that with

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the same level of firsterson experience. And I don't say that to discount um the fact that there are things that have happened with the police that are not what they need to be. And that's why this is all you all are part of an important review oversight continuous

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improvement process right we have to bring that same spirit to the work moving forward with SRO's back in the building as resources for our schools for our students for our families resources key word [laughter]

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>> could you hit the high points of theou without getting too deep in the weeds I mean we've seen it but be helpful for folks tuning in online to just sort of hear the bullet will expect. >> Um so I think the um for me one of the I'll

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try to talk about what's new like new features the new features of the SRO program as compared to when the SRO's were there before is there's a lot of language that tries to really make sure the roles and responsibilities are clear and by the way right about the time right before 2020 is frankly when DCJS

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released a new modelouou that also Hi I'm going to pause really quickly. This is Mr. Rodney Jordan. >> Mr. Jordan, welcome. Thank you for joining. >> So, Mr. Jordan was the principal at what is now Charlottesville Middle School for how many years? >> Five. >> Five. >> I am now very fortunate that he is the

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director of facilities operations working with me specifically regarding our custodial operations and our safety and security oper um operations. >> So, he works with he works with me. Um he's going to end up being the lead for a lot of the safety and security things that I've been um handling with other

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colleagues. But Mr. Jordan has great firsthand experience as a building principal and knowing what it's like to handle certain situations without having an SRO in the building >> in the trenches. >> In the trenches he has been there. So

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I'm just really happy and um he's a part of our team now in a different capacity. >> Thank you. >> So uh major changes um I'm going to touch on a few. So the uh really big ones are around like the clarification of roles and responsibilities. That's in theou. It's also in some of the other um

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supporting documents that we're putting into place. And then we will have a um a process that we're that we need to uh dovetail into the work of this group. Um sort of like the um I don't want to call just a complaint form. It's a feedback process. And so we

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want to make it very clear to everyone in the school community that they have two options. if they have a concern about SRO's, they could either go through your normal process or we wanted to give them like a a school school website based or school office based process where they can, you know,

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register any concerns. We also are hoping though that they can also use the same process to let us know about um good things that they see come out of the program. So um that that is part of it. I've been doing a lot of talking. Um you know thisou very well as well. Let

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me let me start skimming mine here. So >> I was gonna say if you you want to jump in. >> Absolutely. One of the one of the biggest things and Ken touched on it is the roles and responsibilities. So with thisou and I didn't have experience working with the first one, but I get

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the sense that a lot of SRO programs through the country are, hey, go be the police and you're just going to be the police in this school over here. Um, sure, that's fine. that that gives you the opportunity to build relationships

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and build trust if that's what you're good at doing. Um but it doesn't ensure that the right person is put into a school to make a positive impact. Um that's one thing that ourou is very very

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um pointed on. Um, and I'm going to I'll I'm not going to break off and go on a tangent right now, but I also want to talk about the process that we went through, not only with the work group, >> choosing the >> but with the actual selection of the SRO's >> that is big. Um, but I say all that to

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say, um, the whole process from the inception of the work group, all the work that was done throughout like two summers ago now, it feels like, um, going through last year, um, getting theou um, signed. I think we got it

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signed a few days before Christmas uh, this past December. Um, but it was all done with a spirit of collaboration between CCS and CPD that's been interwoven um through theou through the agreement and realistically through this

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program now because that's the spirit that everybody came to the table with. Um, with that being said, the process that we undertook to actually select the two people that ultimately became our SRO's um needed to be the same. uh we

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couldn't kind of you know go back into our shell at CPD close the doors and come out and say hey here are the two SRO's that we've chosen um that seemed incredibly tonedeaf and just contrary to what we were trying to get done with

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everything that we had gone through and the spirit of kind of um this shared belief and effort that the work group had undertaken. Um, so we pulled together a panel. We actually did two separate panel interviews. Um, and every

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panel had at least one person from CPD. It was usually me. Um, and a group of stakeholders. Uh, the first panel was uh, Dr. Malone, who's the principal at Charlottesville High School, and Jody Murphy, who is the district um,

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>> coordinator for mental wellness. So, she oversees all the threat assessment programs among other things. um that panel and then the second panel um had stakeholders from across the spectrum. Uh Mr. Jordan sat on that panel um along with parent reps from the

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PTO with uh active teacher and active teacher from >> a special education teacher from the high school >> the high school um >> a student >> a student representative from the the student council and help me out. Who am I missing? I know I'm missing a few. So the two [sighs and gasps]

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um the the uh person who's going to be the new middle school principal. So the principal for the high school was represented in the first panel. Middle school principal was represented on the second panel. The two different parents who had ch students across the schools even down into the elementary school but

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also certainly middle and high school. Um the student representative is actually one of our um schoolboard representatives. There's always there's rotating rep student representative school board. So, one of those folks served um uh the special education teacher from the high school. >> I think that was everybody.

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>> That may be everyone. And yeah, >> it was a robust panel. Um and the reason that that was so important was it wasn't a panel that was coming in or a group of people that were coming in to say, "Okay, cool. I guess we like the person

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that you guys picked." It was a group of people that were brought together specifically to help pick. um they scored the panelists on their answers. They were able to ask them direct questions um and decide how their answers hit them, if they if they struck

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them as true, if they you know didn't believe them, whatever the case may be. Um and we were ve very fortunate um at the end of that to come away from both panels with a unanimous decision on both the candidates and ask >> Sure. >> were the um candidates self- selected or

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did the chief say I want John Doe and John Smith and >> No. So, the way the way we do it um at the police department uh historically is if there's a spot coming open, there'll be a departmentwide email that goes out and we'll say if you're interested in this position, you have until this date

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to express that interest of the chain of command. >> Um and we came away with uh two individuals who who wanted to try it out. Um and through the interview process um they were fortunately both

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selected and I say fortunately both selected because we made it very clear with both panels that yes there are two positions open and yes we happen to have two applicants for said positions but that's not a guarantee. This isn't a walk-on spot. Like you can choose both

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of them if you like both of them. You can choose one and leave the other or you can pick none. That'll make Kim and I's job a little tough, but at the end of the day, that goes to show you the gravity of the decision, the gravity of the role, and our want to have the right

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person in the right place in the schools because it's an incredibly important job that carries a lot of weight with it. I have a question. Um, we all know that Alberal County is having a moment and I'd like to ask you about

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what protocols are in place or changing when it comes to sexual misconduct or impropriy when it comes to adults who are in the uh Charlottesville city schools and what protections are in place to protect the privacy of the children that may be affected.

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>> I can speak to that from a law enforcement perspective. Um, and I was going to say I'll kind of cover ours. You want to cover yours? Um, we have two detectives currently today. Um, that are [snorts] assigned specifically to cases involving crimes against children. Um,

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they're well known to the school. They work with, uh, Jody, the lady I mentioned earlier. Um, she knows them on a firstname basis. Um, they've got a great relationship and that's incredibly important. Uh we're fortunate in the

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city to not have gone through something like the countyy's experiencing right now. Um but I'll say that I believe that the relationships that are built, the spirit of camaraderie and transparency that's been developed between CPD and

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the schools would serve us very well if and when we ever found there was a difficult bridge like that that needed to be crossed. And the only thing I can add to that is um so in full transparency I'm sure Alberal County um you know human

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resources does all the same background checks that we're required to do for employees. Um and so that's kind of comfort because then something like that can still happen. Um, so what what we are doing in light of what happened is

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is to make sure that um we're re-evaluating like for all of our licensed personnel, which are really the only personnel who should be meeting with students in any type of one-on-one counseling situation. Um, we are trying to make sure that every space that they use for those

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meetings has the glass uh in the doors or in a sidelight. Um, that's just one sort of practical step that we're taking. Um, and then when it comes to like volunteers and people like that, we're um during our safety summit that comes

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up later this month, Mr. Jordan is doing a reminder session for all of the um principles and the 12-month administrator folks, front office staff about what our volunteer vetting process is, whether you're a volunteer or a a visitor to the school as a parent just

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for um you know, a specific program or or a day like a short-term thing or if you're a longer term volunteer. If you are ever a person visiting Charlottville City Schools who will not be constantly supervised by an employee, so let's say

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um you're there to do some type of mediation work or something, you have to go through something more extensive than just the scanning of your driver's license when you come to visit, which is that does provide a a check against the National Sex Offender Registry. Um, but

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there's a more extensive process than even that that visitor, you know, ID scan if you're going to be a volunteer in any capacity who who could possibly be with children, not also with a member of our staff. And that's very actually fairly rare, but we we have a process

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that that's specific for that as well. Anything you want to add? >> It's also on our website. Um, so uh we have uh tier one and tier 2 volunteers. So tier one um if you're going to I'm sorry level one sorry the instruction

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level one volunteer um then you go on the website um and there's a process um you just go to uh where it says volunteer training there's like a video you have to watch um but there are steps that you have to complete in order to be a a volunteer

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and that's me as a parent like if I want to go on a field trip um or if I want to help out in the cafeteria You have to do that and then once you complete it um Denise Johnson I forgot her title but she sends out an email um to every

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principal and says like here's your updated list of people who can volunteer and if they're not on the list they're not allowed to volunteer. Um and then if you're going to be alone like Miss P was saying like there's a more extensive pro uh process. I will also tell you um we

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do home visits sometimes. Mhm. >> Um and no one the process is you do not go alone. Um and at the middle school I never met with anyone alone, child or adult. Um and also um required the same

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thing with my staff. >> Um so >> same thing if we're transporting students like during COVID or something if we had to take a student home um or different other things come up. If I'm hopping in the car in a car and I'm needing to take a student somewhere, I always make sure that that there's

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another school employee with me. We just will grab random people. I've also been the shotgun rider for colleagues when they're like, I've got to transport a kid and they can't find anybody else to ride with them. >> And anytime anything is reported, we automatically call um the division

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office. Um like it's not my job as the principal to decide whether or not this is true or false. So we contact we have um if it's adult we um contact um HR if it's um not if it's a a child related

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issues then we we contact our like title N coordinator. >> Thank you. Um it's it's it's been quite a conversation around what's happened over county and >> I think it's um because there was such a break of the public trust right wrong and indifferent there was a break in the

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public trust um it's important um that that trust is reestablished especially with the controversy with the SRO's um that parents know that even the employees the teachers the janitors everybody you know who works

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with students um has the confidence that one you know kids will be believed and that there is somewhere to go and that it won't be held the way that it was from you know the um community. Thank you. >> Um you have questions for us? I mean you

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are you familiar that'll come in public comments if you want. I was just curious is the the uh ter abbreviation terminologies. Um I'm sitting up here listening at the various different uh um terminologies with the abbreviations

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and I'm I have no idea almost no clue as to I know uh PCO means police civilian civilian oversight board but the SRO's the >> you know uh the uh CCS I have no idea what we're

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talking about. Sorry. >> So I just think in the future if you you may want to list some of your terminology as you begin to have your public forums and your uh so people can >> kind of be able to follow along what you're talking about. >> It's a good feedback point. Thanks >> Kim. You want to

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>> Sure. >> Sure. Umouou is just memorandum of understanding. So it's our agreement between the police and schools and how we're going to work together. So that's me memorandum of understanding. What you say? >> M. >> That's theou. >> Yep. Memorandum of understanding.

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>> Okay. >> Yep. >> What about the uh CRO's? I mean, what is that? >> Yep. So, C so CCS is how we abbreviate Charlottesville City Schools just because that's such a So, so CHS CCS is Charlottville City Schools and then uh we use SRO for school resource officers.

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>> Okay. Okay. Okay. >> Um I think those are maybe all the ones that >> CPD is Charlottville. Oh, of course I know that. Everybody knows that. >> Uh, let's see. What about uh CCS? >> Charlottesville City Schools. >> Oh, okay.

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>> Yeah, that's our short hand. Just like they use CPD, we use CCS. >> Yeah. No, that's a good that's a fair question. >> Organizations have abbreviations and terminology that kind of like in-house, but >> you know, I just I just like if I hear a word I don't understand, I just like to know what it is. >> Thank you.

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>> Thank you. >> Thank you. That was good feedback. And we can make sure we do that in the future. I I was just going to say so you because you were asking them if they had questions. Um but just kind of to like color that a little bit. Um my first thing I I have a lot of thoughts as

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always, but my real first orienting kind of thing is how can we be helpful to students, family, staff, the police, you know, when it comes to uh a board uh you know, an independent board that's having some kind of um oversight on any of this

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process. I think continuing to to foster the confidence that that I believe seems to have already be with this group. I mean, I'm there's I don't follow all the local news all the time because frankly when I get off from work, there's only so much, you [laughter] know, but I do know enough

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that like it hasn't always been when I think I may have shared this comment with James. when you're if you're not in the news as a as a group to me that says like you're like doing your job like concerns are being addressed, there's confidence in what you do because we our process is going

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to dubtail into yours if there is a concern. So I think that's like one of the main things is just maintaining the confidence of the community that there is good oversight and that there's this avenue uh for

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for um things to be taken care of if there's a you know outside of you know trying to trust the system meaning you know works for the police I work for the schools and if people feel like the agency's failed in some way feeling like there's this other entity is I think a

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very valuable thing. >> Yep. And Kim, what I would say is that um just to reassure you on that that we have been given sort of remarkable access to police >> body cam records. Lieutenant Wayne can speak to that. Certainly the chief has

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been really quite cooperative. So, you know, we we will be in the loop. We will be if if a complaint comes in from a parent, let's say an SRO puts hands on a kid and it it gets >> Yes. We will be monitoring that. We see all the complaints as they come in. Um

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we we James is over there all the time just seeing what's in the log. So count on us as an ally is someone who can can and will provide oversight. I mean that's our mission. That's what we're committed to doing. The chief has made

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our job easier by giving us ready access as we have a great working relationship with [clears throat] Lieutenant Wade with with the officer with with the whole team. So >> don't hesitate to take advantage of that. >> You you touched on something that's

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really important when there have been questions about the conduct of SRO's in the past when we had them. My experience with those situations is where it it was situations where if things got in the gray at all. It was because educators

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don't go to school because they want to get hands on with students. And if something's happening where a student may be about to hurt themselves or there's a perception they're about to really hurt someone else and an officer when we had SRO would put their hands on them, that's when that's when questions

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come up. And it is at that point where this group is so valuable because as a school division, first of all, these are records protected by FURa. We are not going to be able to release them to the people who are questioning if something

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was happening um as it you know correctly or did that really have to happen that way. >> But um [clears throat] you know it's just really important. One of the things we're emphasizing in this iteration of the SRO program is that

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just because you know you're an educator and you don't want to put your hands on a child or whatever, it doesn't mean when the SRO's return that you can just defer to an officer to take care of a situation that if they weren't there, you have to take care of it. And that is one of the

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biggest things that we are going to be addressing in our training with our staff at um in what we call pre-week. Um and that is really a key thing. Now, there's a point where we need officer assistance. That's why we've called them so many times um over the past five

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years. So, it's not but there's a we don't want um when the officers were removed, one of the big things that came out in the working group back then was who's going to break up the fights? Who's going to break up the fights? Who's going to break up the fights? Well, the truth of there are some fights and there are some situations where we need officers there and the the response

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time and stuff has not served us. You know, they've been very responsive, but it takes time, >> right? And you also like to think sometimes it's just like I probably shouldn't say this, but like if you know an area where you drive is constantly a speed trap, you tend to go slower, right? So I do like to think there will

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will be some kind of a deterrent >> feature from you know from people engaging in physical contact that you know because that got to be a little bit too much there for a while. But um anyway, that's just to say that again this is where this group is so valuable because it's so important um to have

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that independent to be in this unique position that this group is in. >> If I could jump in really quickly just to to paint some of the like structural picture of this. I think that that is the goal um from at least from this office as well as the board in the sense

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of providing additional layer of value. >> Yeah. >> To the schools, to the community, to the police department as well. Um in the sense that this is a unique board with a unique kind of legal structure under state code. Um the access is unique. Um

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and so we're not we're not coming at from the uh school side, more of the uh police department side. That's that's where our jurisdiction and the jurisdiction of the board lies. And so being able to um and I think the chief has has said this many times to be able

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to say there is another entity that is civilianled that is looking at these things and providing um perspective and recommendations, opinions in a structured confidential format. and you know we're we are bound by the same

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confidentiality as policing and schools and things like that. And so it it just allows for another structure to provide that um sense of oversight. So there probably are a variety of ways that we might find uh as school resource

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officers are implemented this year that the board can be supportive and and that might change over time. But I think one of the goals tonight was to be able to have just the facetoface dialogue and build that rapport. So >> yeah, I did have one other question and this comes from uh someone who is

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married to someone who taught in Buford for 25 years while there were still SRO there. She retired. I'm concerned about the numbers one at each school. I mean that it just doesn't feel adequate and I know that's not something you had control over, but um I

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mean do you have concerns that that's you can cover that much territory with one officer at each school of of middle and high school? Greg Rex, you can speak to that. >> You go first and I want to >> Yeah, absolutely. [clears throat] Um I have the same concerns that I would have

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putting our officers out on the street or anywhere else. Um they'll rely on their training and experience. Um, and they'll adhere to our core mission and vision, right? Um, they're there to build relationships. Uh, they're there

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to establish trust, build bridges with both the staff and students at both Charlottesville and, uh, CMS, the middle school. Um, with that being said, um, sure, uh, there could be times where you

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may need, uh, more than one officer there. Um, I would submit that, um, one is better than none. Uh, certainly in instances like Kim referred to earlier where you're waiting, you know, two or three minutes in a situation where you might not feel like you have two or

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three minutes to wait for um, intervention by law enforcement if that's what's called for. Um, with that being said, uh, this is the first year of a new program. Um, we'll obviously look to what we can do to make it

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better, what we can do to make it more efficient, and, you know, there's there's a whole lot more than two schools within the city. It would be nice to see the program continue to grow and evolve. Uh, if that's both the will of the schools, will of the community. Um, and that'll be contingent on the

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performance of the program itself. you know, we've got to get in and do the the actual leg work of I can talk about building trust and building relationships all day long, but until the officers are in the schools actually having those conversations and creating

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those those ties, that's not happening. >> Kyle, do you have other questions or other >> I do, but other folks? Albby? >> Yeah, I I'm gonna expose my naivity here. Um, but I my wife is against it and I don't really know why. What have

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been the problems that make people against it and we address that? >> Sure. Absolutely. So, we've seen a couple and I'll just hit um some of the big ones that spring to my mind and Kim if you want to jump in feel free to. Um, there's a concern uh within the

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community that it's going to be used um in an endorsement type role, right? So, like if there's a fight in the CHS cafeteria um that would normally be handled by school discipline, there's a fear that if an off if an officer is

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present, suddenly that's going to turn into an arrest and an assault charge. Um that's a real fear that happens in places. I will say that I feel very confident that theou thoroughly addresses um that situation and situations like it. And I'll get into

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that here in a second. Um, one of the other big topics was the fact that the police are armed. Uh, they're sworn officers who are going to be carrying guns um into a school setting around children. Um, and that's a legitimate concern. That's that's something that we

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talked a lot about um over the course of all of the public dialogue that we had um through the past year. Um, realistically speaking, what it comes down to is state code and the policy and procedure of the Charlottville Police Department is our officers are sworn to

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uphold the law. Um, they need to be able to do that and unfortunately in the world today, they need to have tools to do that. Um, so that's where we are with that. Um going back to uh the first

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point which was um >> criminalization of >> yes of behaviors that don't necessarily have to be brought jump the tracks for a second. >> That's okay. >> A great tag team. [laughter] >> Um one of the things and Kim Kim started

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down this path um a few minutes ago. One of the things that theou is really clear on is both roles and responsibilities and expectations as it relates to um school related discipline versus criminal enforcement. And in a nutshell,

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what theou says is if it can be handled as school discipline, that's how it's going to be handled. So, for example, that fight in the cafeteria that yes, maybe that is an assault by code, right? But we all went to high school. I'm sure we all saw a fight or two in the

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cafeteria. Um, and those are handled quite adequately in 99.9% of cases from my experience through school related discipline, right? Through in school suspension, maybe through various um

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various mechanisms that the school has >> discipline and restorative practices is what you hope to use and should use to solve >> and that's completely absent law enforcement intervention. you're still getting the same result at the end of the day. You're getting hopefully a

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change in behavior and a ceasing of whatever the behavior was to begin with. >> If I may, there's also a very real public concern about um profiling. >> Yes. >> When it comes to racial and when it comes to sexual identity.

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>> Yeah. Um that was something that's been very publicly expressed by a lot of the community as well worried about whether or not the kids who are in schools that have a larger uh black population or a larger um minority population or you

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know people who have different gender um I how they identify um whether or not they would be targeted um and and treated differently by the SRO's. along those lines, there's concern that if a child's having issues out in the

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community that they might feel like those issues follow them into school in a way that they don't want to be there. But in piggybacking on that, our the immigrants who live in our community, especially with um ICE enforcement, there's concern that there we had we've had to really try to explain that that

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there's no um you know, the there's no agreement between the police to help with ICE enforcement and and if that if something ever were to change and there was they had they had to make an agreement or something you know like we could we can end theou at any time because it cannot be something where

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students are afraid to come to school or don't want to come to school, they need to it needs to be school resource, not school. They're not school policing. >> It's school resource. And one other thing I would offer that I think is a really nice thing to look at it to the extent if you're trying to help folks

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who are still questioning the why and they just are very skeptical that this can be done in a way that's positive for for students and student outcomes. The June 4th schoolboard meeting had our first I think mo more comprehensive pass at providing the data the numbers behind

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the like [clears throat] a numbers view of the why. So we can talk about and I don't want to but we could like the really the worst days and where we've had to work with the police and we've come away with it where it's like oh well you know by the grace of God that went as well as it could because in most cases a former SRO happened to be on

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duty when we had to deal with something really serious. Okay. But everybody, it's easy to say, "Well, that was just a half a dozen things that happened since 2020." Those are just bad days, you know. Okay. >> But if you look at the volume of calls for service

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and you understand the inefficiency, and I know I've also gotten dinged. This is about admin making things easy for administrators and it's inefficiency. Administrators, our principles, their jobs and responsibilities. It is really hard. I mean they're building managers, they're personnel managers, they're responsible for student achievement,

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they are running >> everything. And so when you make these important things harder, take longer. It's a it's a it's not a trivial thing. So if you look at the calls for service data, that will help you feel the weight

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of what what's been transpiring and and all that what each of those things took to get somebody there to address it. Like that's >> Are those numbers high, Kim? >> Yeah, I think so. Yes. >> I mean, I'll think take take Yeah, take

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a look at that. The arrest numbers are almost non-existent. And I think that's really important because that's the baseline people are looking for. Um, is that, you know, we shouldn't see arrest numbers go up as a result of having

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SRO's in school. What we should see is those and those things that required calls for service, you know, I don't know. That's one of our that's on our recordkeeping agenda because we still are need to document the value that the SRO's are having and what they're taking care of.

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>> But um that's that's you know people want data and and we understand that and it's important and so that we were pressed on that and we've been focused on calls for service because we knew because we lived this that the arrest numbers really aren't there >> but we find we did pull that together

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and the June 4th reflects what there's a a quarterly reporting that's called for in theou. So this one runs all the data. Um I was wondering uh you kind of discussed the last like five years how it has been very tough.

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Um obviously if you were doing this in lab conditions you wouldn't uh end your SRO program like with COVID and all the the educational issues that that kind of provided off that. Do you do you have like any points of comparison between

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other between Charlottesville disciplinary issues within Charlottesville public schools and nearby localities that have kept their SRO program in place. >> So when it comes to discipline comparison, no, I honestly can say we haven't really looked at that. What I

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will say is a lot of a lot of um public schools removed SRO's in June of 2020. I mean you look back it was it was you know album did lots of them did almost all of them have returned them. Um, and that's the other thing is like there's a

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reason for like like if it had been easy or like you know the work we've had to put into explaining and and trying to help folks understand I mean we nobody would do that in their right mind if if they unless there was there were real

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very real concerns very real gaps if you will. I'm sorry I'm not really doing a great job of of answering your question. The short answer to your question was no. We've not compared the discipline data. um as and actually I don't know that like one of the things the MOU is

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really clear on is the SRO are not involved in discipline and so I don't know how we would potentially bring discipline in as it's not called for exactly in our metrics we have climate school climate data um but discipline is really kind of its own

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>> I was meaning sort of you know incident spikes etc that not you know >> right right Um, it's interesting. I um [clears throat] Thorn Jordan, do you know how you would feel about looking at discipline data

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through like to look for correlation? >> I think it's possible. >> Yeah. I mean, >> be fine with it. >> We haven't. >> Just were talking about how hard it is to as as administrators to find time for things. So, >> Oh, yeah. >> I But on that note, Rory, like that's

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something that we can offer some sort of assistance on. I would suggest at least um uh is providing some kind of additional oversight perspective you know answer questions do and we have a process that we've kind of been a meta

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process that we've been building to to handle these systematically whenever we have ideas like this to to address them with that system. But I mean that is that we could do exactly that to say well let's check if you know to to similar counties that did bring SRO's

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back um what did their discipline that had similar discipline at you know before and after or before co they were you know taken away. Let's let's kind of look at that in parallel and see you know uh what that looked like. Um, and the only thing we would ask, right, is

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just some kind of sharing of that that data. But you don't have to do all the work. Uh, yeah. Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off. I just >> There were questions from the >> I got stuck. I got one more question.

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How long does it take for if a situation occurs in a school? There's one officer in the school, right? Is that >> one in each? >> One middle. >> One middle in the high. How long does it take for that officer to respond and what techniques does that

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officer use to deescalate situation? So, one of the one of the key things that makes the SRO's historically that makes them as effective as they have been is they not only have the police radio, but they'll also have a school radio that

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you'll, you know, it's the radio that the teachers are talking on um coordinating things like is talking on to coordinate the you know, eb and flow of the school day, right? the SRO can be plugged into that. That gives them kind of a fast lane to understand what's

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going on within the school and it also gives them the ability to respond much quicker. Um, as it stands now, um, there's an incident in the school, you're [snorts] hoping that whoever's viewing it has their cell phone with them, is calling 911, is explaining, and then that only

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gets you to dispatch. Then the officers have to respond. and they have to figure their way through the school um to get to wherever the issue is. The SRO um both having the kind of the direct knowledge from hearing firsthand what's

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happening um not after whatever's happened has gone through the reporting party to dispatch through the radio to whoever the patrol officer is. Um they also have the you know kind of the the very basic you know understanding of

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what the school layout is right if uh admin staff or a teacher says hey we're having trouble in the blue hallway for instance right um the teachers the administrators they all know exactly where that is um some of our patrol

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officers probably know where that is um but having an SRO that knows oh it's exactly right here and I know that Mr. Such and Such has a class here and Miss Such and Such has a class right across the hall. >> It it's invaluable to being able to

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streamline the service that's provided. Um, but it also gives us a chance to enter into whatever the situation is much further upstream and hopefully before things have come to pass um than

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we would with a standard kind of radio type response. There's no substitute for having that officer who speaks school and speaks police and has both radios. It's one of the biggest things we've missed on our worst days. >> And the Sorry, >> I have a question for you. Yeah,

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[clears throat] Mr. Jordan. Is it fair to assume that you're sort of they're going to come under your tent, the SRO's, they're going to sort of be in your uh department >> eventually? Yes. Okay. And and with that in mind, I mean, would you be in regular check-ins with them and just sort of

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>> I'm not sure what I'm asking here, but uh and some sort of a role where there's a feedback loop between central offices. Okay. Yes. >> Could you just speak to that briefly how you envision that? >> Yeah. So, um my plan is to be in communication with

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the SRO, with Lieutenant Wade, and with the principal. [clears throat] >> Okay. because the principal is still in charge of the building. Um, and the principal should know everything that's going on in the building. Um, and so, um, my plan is to be in in communication

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with Lieutenant Wade, uh, the principal and the SRO. >> And so, would the would the, um, SRO report to the principal or would he have would he be independent of the principal? >> No, he's going to report directly to the principal. If you've heard Chief Cotch

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speak on this, um the principal um is the chief of the school. Okay. >> Um >> that's my question. >> That's that's how we envision um the kind of the hierarchy if you will. Um the principal is accountable for everything that happens within that

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school. The SRO is existing within that school ecosystem. Um and theou very clearly spells out um and actually Miss Lenor Kelly this goes to uh the um last part of the question you raised about um

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the potential for profiling. Um theou is very clear on what the SRO has to do if they're going to have what theou calls official contact with the student. Um, and I'm not talking about like saying hi as

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they're coming in the front door or having a few pleasant words at lunch or something like that. If they're going to undertake u what would be considered um an investigative stop, a police type action with the student, they have to not only be able to articulate it from a

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constitutional point of view. Um, but they also have to clear it first with the principal. They have to go to the principal. They would like if they're at CHS, they would have to go to Dr. Malone and say, "Hey, Dr. from alone for these reasons, whatever they are. I would like to talk to students such and such. And

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then he says, "Yeah, that's fine. I understand that." Or, "No, I don't think so. I think that's something that can wait until school is out." Like, if that's a PD thing that needs to happen, that doesn't need to interrupt the school day. Now, obviously, that's in a perfect world. There'll be emergent

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situations where it makes little to no sense for the police to run to the main office if there's a fight going on just to run back, right? Um, but I say all that to say, um, there's nothing that they're going to be doing from an enforcement standpoint in the school

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that isn't monitored, written about, or not having or or won't have the need to be articulated in some form or fashion. Um, so the idea that um, profiling would

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be able to happen without us finding out about it, without the checks and balances kicking in and us saying, "Hey, this is a a problem." Um, I feel very confident that we would see that very early on. Yeah. with the safeguards that

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are built in to theou and the fact that it's not and this is this is something that we talked about a lot and it goes back to kind of the the whole um kind of atmosphere of camaraderie between CPD and the schools throughout this process.

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Um, this isn't the police saying, "Hey, city schools, y'all asked for SRO's here, too. I hope you like them." Right? Um, and by the same token, um, we're not coming in and saying, "Hey, city schools, here's how this program is going to run."

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>> They're asking us questions. We're asking them questions. We're looking at best practices from across the Commonwealth and across the nation, quite frankly. um while taking into account all of the feedback we've heard from both the school community and the Charlottesville community as a whole to

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get the best possible product. >> What kind of activities are the SRO's going to have to integrate into the greater community of the school? Um what's what about fun? >> Oh yeah. >> Absolutely. >> I was um I was asked on the U radio

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program I was on, I was asked you know what it was like to have police in schools. We didn't they weren't called SRO's when I was coming up. They were just police and we knew them, but they were integrated into our neighborhoods and our parents knew them. The teachers always knew that. >> So, what about the fun? What What are the SRO some of the things that they're

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going to do with these kids to kind of, you know, warm them up? >> Absolutely. So, right off the bat, um we're we're coming into late July and August. We're coming into all of our like back to school type stuff. So, we're in like prime time for school's

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not back in session yet, but we're going to be able to get a lot of facetime with uh students and faculty and parents. Um, so we've got obviously National Night Out's like the lowhanging fruit, right? Um, but there's also the back to school bash that's going to take place um at

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the Boys and Girls Club. Um, and we're plugged in with the schools um back to school nights for both CHS and CMS. Um and and quite frankly anything I'm open to anything that they throw all our way. >> So we can share some other other things.

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One thing that we were able to do and it was it was hard because of the timing but we still managed to pull it off. We had these nice uh we asked the principal at the high school and the principal at at CMS Rodney. He they got some students student leaders together to have like focus groups with the SRO under the with

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the SR with the two SRO's because they got selected not long before school let out. And the whole thing was for the SRO's to sit with the students and say and get advice from the students on how to best integrate into the school community as the new kids on the block. Right. And I was not there but from all

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indications that was those sessions were really really good. >> Were those recorded or notes taken on? >> Um I don't know. It was kind of it was casual. It was just like it was casual though. Like they had this just like it was it wasn't just a wide openen meet and greet. It was very intentioned that the students be giving the SRO's advice

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on how to fit in. uh to their school communities. And then um there's certain there's actually one class in particular, it's a personal safety, situational awareness and personal safety that's required that um CPD be involved with delivering that through health and PE classes at the middle school level. But there's so many other

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opportunities for them to integrate with our health and PE teams on different lessons. Um but we do want it to be more than just even their classroom appearances. Mr. Jordan, what can you have? So, I don't know what the incoming principal is going to keep that we uh that we've done over the last five

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years, but I will say um we did a pep rally once a month. Um and everyone, student and staff had to be a part of it. Um and so that would if they continue that, that's a great time for

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them to um you know, get involved. Uh we did staff versus students, volleyball, basketball. It's a great time to get involved. Uh we did tie it up Thursday where anybody who wanted to participate they wore a tie on Thursday. >> Um so that's another great you know if

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they continue these things like uh there are plenty of opportunities. Um CHS I know does a lot of different things. So uh the opportunities will be there. Um and so it'll be up to the officer to get involved and and up to the principal to say hey we would like for you to do X Y

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and Z both. uh performing arts are really big at the middle school and the high school. And I remember when I when I first started as a principal, they asked me to uh be like a surprise guest in one of the one of the plays. Um and so I mean there there are plenty of opportunities I think to get involved.

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That's good to know because one of um my daughter just graduated from CHS and um at one of the other community meetings um she kind of burned up Chief of Questions >> because when she was they were talking about the SRO's and she said when when

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they pulled the SRO's out of school and now they're bringing them back, nobody ever asked us. >> Oh. So to hear that you guys have these forums to get advice from the kids and talk about integrating into the community is really positive.

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>> I would also say going back to the question about response time um the SRO unless they just happen to be the closest person um they should not be the first person responding like to a typical school incident whether it's a fight whether it's a classroom

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disruption u even theft like it. So, the middle school and the high school have one principal, four assistant principles. I don't know about the high school, but I know the middle school will have five security personnel, >> car and safety assistants, and >> we call them parent and safety

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assistants. Um, and so if there's an incident, um, it should be one of those people responding. And I know both schools the um the security personnel are assigned to a location. >> Okay.

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>> So they should really be the first person to respond. >> And this is key. This is really important. And I want to I don't want to cut you short, but you just made you asked about the big changes with this. The fact is we have care and safety assistants now which are uh DCJS certified school security officers.

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Okay. before that was one of the good things that came out of 2020 that when SRO's were in the schools before there were no SS school security officers SSOs trying to be mindful of my acronyms here because I know we have way too many of them but there were no SSOs which we

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call care and safety assistance um and so that's a really big change with now when you come back with SRO's um and that's also one of the reasons why when you ask the question about is one enough >> maybe because it really The SSOs should be on the front lines of a lot of this

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now and that just wasn't a resource we had. >> And what does their day look like, Kim? An SSO, I mean, what >> they're assigned to zones, okay, of the school and they are there's a fear that police are going to patrol the halls. We have other people to do that now. >> So, is that what they're doing? They're

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just sort of hanging out >> and building relationships and and mediating when they see conflict, trying to make sure they get ahead of that. They they uh they help out with arrival dismissal. >> Um so everybody has a duty location. Um

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and it could be in the cafeteria, it could be outside um but wherever students are. >> Um and then once once school starts, they essentially walk the building and walk the campus. Uh they check the doors, they check the parking lots, they

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make sure everything is um where it's supposed to be. And if it's not, let's say a door is broken, like their job is to report it to an administrator. Um, >> and the SRO can do will do some of these same things, but but but we've heard loud and clear from the community. They don't want the SRO's patrolling the

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halls. They do have that shared radio. So that and the SRO though, >> but there are things that the CSAs, our school security officers, cannot do by code, by training, by function. That's the gap that we were trying to fill with the SRO's. And we're really excited

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about the model having both SSOs and this SRO link back in place because I can tell you that myself and Jodie Murphy, the mental wellness coordinator, I our head of communications looked at me one day sometime back and the she said, "Well, you are the SRO now." And I

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was like, "Oh my god." Because but from where I sit and with all the other things I do, anything that's not like nutrition and facilities and all these other things that go on with school operations, transportation, I didn't feel like I was doing a great job and that's what kept me up at night personally from my part and what we have

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had going on. Um, and so it just was a it was an uncomfortable gap. I felt like it was a vulnerability. our administrators. I felt so bad every time a principal would call me with these situations where I was like, well, that would be 99.9% easier. What things were being becoming a big deal that did would

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not have been a big deal before at all. The swatting incident, the first one in particular at CHS that traumatized that school community so badly, would have been almost a non-event if someone had been in the building with both radios. >> And and if we'd had and we tried, we put

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like these red phones, we called them in the schools to try to make sure there was a line that wouldn't be busy where the incoming first responders could call ahead. But it wasn't just the swatting. It wasn't just the um the gun at New Pathways incident. And I'm not going to say anything here that hasn't already,

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you know, it's these things are all well known. Those are just Yeah, those are some just the bad days, right? But then there's the um and I pulled the data up. Um so in 2019, this is just Charlottesville High School, we had 64 calls for service and calls for service could have been satisfied by the SRO to

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be clear, but 2019 there were 64. 2020 65, but remember we got out of school in March, so that wasn't a full year. So 6465. All right. Then kids start to come back part-time. It goes 41. We didn't have kids back. It was well into 21 before we

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started even bringing them back in turn, taking turns. You may remember um 2022 we went up to 95. 2023 82. 2024 76. 2025 55. Things are starting to cool off a little bit.

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That's great. And then in the first quarter of of this year, so this only went to through March, it was 12. So, we don't have a full data, a full year, but um the arrests over all those years, how many what was the number? Let me pull it up. It's on the same meeting. Hold on. >> Yeah, I'm pretty sure.

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>> And that was one school. That's just the high school. Um the the data, if you go to the June 4th meeting, we'll have everything. But, um >> it's about to be low. I'm assuming that's the [laughter] whole I think it's >> like it's like less less than less than

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five, I think. So that whole time it's the calls for service. It's not arrests. >> Yeah. And and so you and I think what you're trying to say is there's a great need for service, but there's a great very low um kind of negativity as

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defined by the community um consensus of of arrest as if we're calling arrests negative, right? And so um and I I mean that objectively, scientifically. I'm not trying I'm not putting my thoughts out there. Um all right. So, uh, so my my kind of overarching thought for all

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this this discussion here is we can talk about all of the wonderful work that you all put in for theou and and the attention you put into that. Um, but I'm still hearing those voices echoing from that six-hour meeting that you were a part of that I was there for like two

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hours of. Um and and uh in thinking about a lot of the voices of the community who are going to hear all this and they're not going to trust any of us in this room or any of the institutions we represent to to uphold thatou. Um and

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so they hopefully if we can at least do our part can rely on us to keep you all right the schools and police accountable um and we do the best that we can do um on our side. Um, and so for me, you know, there's many many conversations to

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be had as it relates to to all these things, and I'm not trying to have them here, but one of the big things that I really want to point out is >> uh when we talk about data, and I hope you're not allergic to that word now because you've heard it so often. But

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when we talk about measurement and data, we're really talking about operationalizing the things that are a little bit ephemeral. are a little bit hard to to to make concrete. What I get disappointed in is how we're so darn

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good at talking about discipline and arrests and all that other thing, but we can't talk about fun. Like, it's hard to operationalize fun. It's hard to operationalize love if I'm going to get cheesy for a second. >> So, it's it's these things that SRO's

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are providing, which is in theou under mentorship. >> Right. >> Right. that if we don't do a good job actually defining what we mean all of us >> uh and then figuring out a way to measure it >> then no one's going to care and no one's going to see >> they won't believe

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>> they and that's what I >> people give personal testimony they won't believe because I've seen that >> and so once again people might might still end up using their anecdotes and but anecdotes are data as well we can make storytelling and we can make stories that students tell

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>> the the data that's one form of it. That's why I was like, you probably saw me twinge when I was like, ah, that wasn't You didn't catch that that magic moment of the the >> focus. We know that it happened. I could tell you the dates. >> Exactly. [laughter] And that's a start, but I don't want to from a year from now, you know, after we do all this

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work. And it's like, okay, what are we working with? Well, I got a story here and there like, oh, the public's not going to be that happy about that. And they're not really ultimately going to believe any of us in this room. capture in a in a more data driven way the

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positive stories >> and and and moments and things that we all believe are the the real mechanisms through which SSRO do the work that you're talking about and and so I'm not saying that to say we've solved it now in this meeting. I'm

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just trying to kind of stand on my soap box to speak on I really really do believe it's incredibly important to think about that early and to use us as a resource honestly for you so that we can start measuring that

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looking at it, reviewing it and then hold you accountable and do all the reports and all that stuff to give you something that you can give it. >> Bianca Johnson was present at I believe both sessions and she has notes from those sessions. >> Yeah. that with the students that just I mean I personally don't have it. I just

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heard they were great and I knew they happened. >> But Bianca Johnson who oversees our restorative practices as part of her work in Charlesville City School. So we can >> and we met with the middle school principal yesterday um and she was kind of um talking about the same thing and

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one of the things that we recommended to her was she sends a weekly message to her staff and to her families. That's a great time to put something in there about the SRO's so that parents >> So that parents know big I think her

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question was well what happens when like there is like something does come up. >> Yeah. >> Um or there's a perception that something has happened but if you're regularly including the SRO or there's a great moment of let's say they they just

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start break dancing you know in the cafeteria during breakfast right? somebody gets it on the video thing, you send it out. Hey, here's a video of the SRO having fun with the kids. >> Um, so that was one of the things that we did recommend to her >> that we did recommend to her. >> And to your point, Mr. Jordan, I was

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going to piggyback on what Kyle was saying, which is at the end of the day with all the data, it still comes down to messaging >> and make sure you up your game. You know, that's something we're really focused on here because we've been somewhat invisible parts of the community, but really trying to make

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ourselves more visible. I think CPD has done a much better job of that with the walkalongs and other things than getting in the community, but you've got to take the ball and run with it >> because it's critical. >> Make them invisible. Yeah, >> to Rodney's point,

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>> that's a message for to ourselves. >> It is I'm speaking to preaching to the choir here. >> Uh but yeah, I'm hoping that I like that wasn't a question or anything like that. It was just a a comment. >> I'm glad you made my brain circle back around. I was like, oh yeah, I think Bianca did take notes. I don't know if this has come up yet. Um, but I do want

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to point out that in middle school and high school, um, we search kids. Um, and the difference with us is all we need is reasonable suspicion. >> Um, one good thing that the middle school and the high school have is vape

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detectors in the bathrooms because we have the individual restrooms. And so let's say the alert goes off, it's not going to be the SRO hunting down a kid looking for a vape. It's going to be the administrator. >> And I want to say I think some of the

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folks who have concerns along with fighting and things like that, that the other thing they're worried that small uh contraband could turn into something that's criminal. And the code is pretty clear about what reaches the threshold of of criminalization for contraband in a school. and nothing's going to change

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with regard to that type of thing. But I think some of our families have >> So then the community needs to know that the process for searching is still the same >> as before. >> What's the cell phone policy on both those schools at this store? >> Off and away all day. >> So uh when kids walk into the building

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in the morning, they're supposed to turn them off, put them in the backpack, um and then they can't >> and SR NSRO's are not who are going to retire. You're not going to argue with with students over their >> what an administrator >> and the CSAs do >> CSAs have been a big part of

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>> and and it's a bigger issue at the high school than the middle school. We probably had >> a good like 95% uh compliance with that. The high school I don't know but at the middle school >> it wasn't an issue. I was like it's not

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her phone it's mine. uh snuck out >> and and I'm I'm I'm I have a another question on um the agility of of uh changing theou if something were to come up. Uh so I know again I don't want to

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be too committed to the Britain word as it is um whenever you you spoke about patrol SRO are not going to be patrolling halls. No, no, no. Um, >> that's not their that's not their focus for sure. >> And I understand that, but if the in a community and and you are aligned here,

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right? And >> what happens whenever something crazy happens in the hall that the SRO would have now we see like, oh wow, I really wish they were in the hall. >> I I should clarify that statement. I'm glad you are sharing how you received that. Um, we had this conversation yesterday with the middle school

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principal. it is up to the principal to determine where the they they to the point earlier they're the chief of the school. They decide where they want the um SRO to be. So, we talked about yesterday how like, you know, most of the time maybe they're up front greeting the cars, but let's say there's

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something there's concern that something may pop off where the on back on the bus side, the the admin can redeploy the SRO wherever they want at any time. And in general, they we want them to be highly visible as part of building the relationships and having fun for arrivals, dismissals, and lunches. Um,

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we have an order of operations that kind of dictates where they're going to be. like um obviously an immediate emergency that is threatens life safety is going to trump anything else. So I don't care if they're scheduled to be in Miss Smith's class helping deliver a lesson on um you know being a a good driver or

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whatever. I don't know. But you know it doesn't matter what you're doing. You drop everything for certain calls. Under that are threat assessments. That's the next thing that that's their next priority. And then below that are scheduled meetings and um scheduled things with with teachers and classroom activities. And then there's like at

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there's an okay what else? When there's none of those things going on, then they have an they have an office space as required by code. They will complete catch up on their reports and their paperwork and whatnot and they will make themselves available to do whatever the principal wants them to do. But at all

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times, if it's not an emergency, a threat assessment, even if they were scheduled to be in a classroom, honestly, if the principal was really concerned about something that might be popping off and and like in a trouble area or whatever, they might say, "Hey, I'm you know, I'm sorry. I'm going to need to let Miss Smith know that you're going to have to reschedule that. We're going to need you over here because

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we're really concerned about this conflict between these groups of students and we think if you're in this area at this time, it might help keep that from happening." >> That and that all sounds Oh, I was just going to follow up to clarify what I was talking about. So, uh, yeah, that all sounds logical. Everything, again, I'm

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I'm for the most part, everything that >> be in the halls sometimes. I want to be clear. [laughter] >> I I got you. I gotcha. I mostly mean in in terms of if we were to do, let's say, a review of a case of sit of a situation that happened um and the community had

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some kind of outcry towards, oh my gosh, we hate this particular part of that we all agreed on beforehand. I'm just curious if y'all is what's called for. >> Got it. So you're always going to change that on an annual basis. Thanks. >> So Andy sort

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>> of an observation includes a question which is I think the great the idea that you had the students meeting with the SRO's was great. How's that going to be kept going? >> Is there going to be ongoing meetings? You know >> I think >> once a year once a

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>> honestly we hadn't gotten that far like in a formal way but I I think we have to continue to look. So, we have these school climate surveys that happen. It's required by the state and they alternate every other year between the middle and high school and they have very pointed questions about how you feel about if you have an SRO, how do you feel about

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your SRO, there's like two or three questions in that survey since its inception and that those are continuous data points. But I think we have to be mindful of like besides the school climate survey that's administered from the state, how do we monitor how our students are feeling? And um we I in

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full transparency, we haven't formalized this idea of them meeting yet. But what we could do is look at like the student groups like the SCAS and the different groups and see like what they might we could reach out to them and see what type of meetings they might want to have to provide um feedback. And some of our classes, some of the teachers may want

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to facilitate, you know, some of those kind of like how do you think things are going conversations. Um, so we have we don't have a formal plan, but I thank you for that like idea that it's it shouldn't be one and done and and not just surveys, but that the type of dialogue is valuable.

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>> Empowering students to feel. >> Yeah. >> Could it be incorporated into the annual? >> Yes. I mean like student feed the >> student feedback, students Yes. survey >> the climate um survey data is called for

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in theou as part of the ongoing evaluation of the program but um but to your point like that's not the same as having like not just doing focus groups that we've done up to this point but how do we make sure we continue that >> a couple questions one um on the same

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topic theou ends I believe 2028 what what's the renewal process there are we going to like is the whole shop still going to go through all this again in a year and two years or is it more of a you agree we agree

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>> on to 2030 or whatever? >> I I think the biggest thing is going to be the quarterly report outs to the board and then the annual you know and those quarterly report outs feed into this annual like how we doing meeting that we're going to have and then um it it could just should hopefully just

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continue on. Um but also you know having those regular report outs to the public through the board the quarterly reporting >> deal a lot of public process in the way that the initial >> anception I wouldn't anticipate it being that way >> probably a question for legal but

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>> theou allows for it to just be on a unless you end it just continues to roll forward um but >> I want to go back as well to what you were saying earlier about um the principle was signing, you know, we want you to be in cafeteria at this time

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because he thinks so hot. Um, a question that I had that I feel like multiple people's questions moved around is how are SRO's going to be apprised of um what sort of in-classroom um

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word for it inclassroom strategies by educational staff? What strategies the um was it CSA? Yeah, the schools they're using. >> Um, that was something I didn't see in theou, but I might not be reading it

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closely enough. >> Are they being kept in the loop and sort of informed of how they can be assigned input to that? >> So, we definitely need to we are going to be including them in all of our pre-week training and things like that. Um, one of the it's so important that we have these pre-week safety meetings that

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are all schoolwide where people learn about like our standard response protocols and drills so everybody's speaking the same language and understands the terminology. But on top of that, the their training through DCJS calls for like the students with individuals disabilities taking a deeper

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dive into things like that. And I believe some mediation pieces are there as well. But the the big push in our school division is restorative justice and education practices. And um I am happy to say that I myself and Mr. Jordan both just went through um and the

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CSAs have gone through this before like the the two-day training. That's what we call the RJ B basic and the SRO's are scheduled into our next summer session to have that same training because that um is you know that's like that common

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language around how are we going to handle conflict and issues in our school community and so them being a part of our RGE practice and and thinking is really important >> I think is that kind of getting at what you're talking about >> yeah and then just the final detail is

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the restorative justice you to boil it down perhaps more than necessary. Is there a point in that that class where the instructor turns and says and like if it crosses this line you call the police you know that kind of thing. So that's that that then makes it very clear for the SRO in that

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training to say this is my respons this would be my responsibility before that I would be you know perhaps assisting but it would be someone else's responsibility. So there'll be two different um time periods when we would come in. Um one would be a clear and

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present danger to someone else, right? Someone's behavior has gotten to the point where they're creating serious threat to bodily harm to another person. That doesn't automatically mean that charges are going to be solved, arrests are going to be made or anything of that nature. You think back to the fight in

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the cafeteria that can be handled through the school's disciplinary procedures. Um, but that's an example of a time where we may find ourselves kind of in the middle helping to break up, mediate, what have you. Um, the other

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time where we could become involved is in that um case of an assault or something like that. Um, if there's a victim who wishes to seek prosecution, by law, we're going to assist them in

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doing that. um that's on them. Um you know, they can be assisted to um seek out juvenile petitions or go to the magistrate based on the age of the offender. Um and that's a process that we would assist them with. Um it would

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still at the end of the day when we talk about um statistics, data, things of that nature, it's still going to show us an arrest. It's still going to show that an SRO um made an arrest in a school. Um but the [snorts] um the method and the way

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it would come about would be a little bit different. Yeah. >> Well, and I want to clarify that with with RJ the thinking and involving the SRO's in and being in learning about more about it and how we're using it in Charleston City Schools isn't as much about like

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them being responsible for it. Although I believe one of the two SROs has worked very closely with mediation and things in the community. It's so that it's like it it establishes that common um practice and culture and expectations so that they kind of know like if they see

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these things happening or they see how a certain situation is being handled entirely by the school staff, they're like, I know what's going on here. I know how that is being how that conflict's being handled. And there's also a potential that they could end up being involved in a restorative circle or something. I mean, these are humans

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with relationships in the building and we're all the same in that regard. And so, um, they could be part of a restorative circle as in any in any number of our roles I could think of. So, um, but just making sure everyone has that common language, common understanding, whether it's our safety

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practices of lockdown, stay put, stay tuned, what that means, what everybody's doing around you when these things are called, or it's a conversation where so- and so's having these struggles and by the way, they're going through this and that with res with the restorative team. just knowing what all that means,

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knowing what the abbrev the acronyms and and what all of it means so that they really feel part of the community. >> All right, any other questions? We want to have guests go on. >> Thank Thank you for your interest in

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supporting this change. >> Take questions if you have >> my name's class J. >> We're not going to take questions. >> We have a public comment period that comes later. >> Oh, I see you hold your thoughts. Okay, >> we will have another chance. Okay.

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>> One final question, Greg. Are they going to be sort of under from CPD side sort of under your umbrella? >> Yes. Yeah, they'll they'll exist within the community services bureau. >> Sorry about >> feel free to grab food on takeaway containers. There's plenty of

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it. Feel free to >> and you know how to reach us always through the office. No, James. So, you know, if you have questions, if you need clarification, if you want us to come help with a training, whatever about what we do, just we want to be uh at

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your service. >> I think as we continue to message about the program, we probably should when we especially when we publicize our option to initiate a complaint through us as opposed to through the just going straight to CPD because that the goal was that some people may be more comfortable initiating it through the

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school. It'll be a great time for us to remind the community, our parents, that you all are here and the work that you do. So, I'll need to collaborate >> because we can have some further >> collaborate on what that looks like to make sure. >> Our concern is that I think there's a low level of awareness in the community.

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We're going to be involved with providing oversight to the SRO program. So, better job of getting the word out, as do you do your side of getting the word out because I think generally that's not how people think of us. And we're trying to sort of expand our our

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our mission uh to you know look at a number of other CPD related situations and this is one that we feel feel strongly about. >> Yeah. Because like in theou we didn't mention this part of the process. It just mentions that it'll that if there is an issue, it's going to go through CPD's process, but [clears throat] it

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>> we already got some some feedback. >> And that's the those are the things that are like, you know, it this board has no jurisdiction or relation necessarily to the school, but >> you do over the officers, >> but we do over the officers. And so that's where it's there's a tiein there >> for sure,

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>> you know, in a roundabout way. And so, um, and and we're not only about just investigating complaints. We're also about having input on this policy needs to change or it needs another look. And I think Lieutenant Wade knows this, but I mean, we've had input on a number of of CPD policies and had some impact

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there. So, you know, if something pops up that is in that realm, >> which is also mentioned in theou that they were subject to CPD policies at all times, but again, there's not a mention of this piece of how all that works. those those policies are, you know, we're always looking at those as part of

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all our case reviews. So, >> well, we appreciate you coming tonight. >> Thank you so much. >> We'll be in touch. Thanks, D. >> Moving on, Mr. >> Yeah, we'll we'll keep we'll keep these sections short and then we do have

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another public comment period. Um, I was just gonna just the reason these are on here and and we've as we've been scheduling in these uh in these recent board meetings, these are kind of like the fillers on the end because we don't really know how long >> right these are going to go.

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>> These opportunities are real good. I think >> um this has been Thank you for >> Yeah. >> Yeah. We'll coordinate more and there I I have kind of some review of theou and some of the things that popped out to me from other questions. I'll give an

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example. Nowhere in it does it talk about body warn cameras or when and if those are ever activated or not. Um and so that's that's a direct question I have an interest >> right out of the gate. >> Yeah. So it's like those are the kind of things um that I've been kind of working on and would love to share with the

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board for further conversation that might help frame some of the things the board could look at. Um y and and also just talking with Miss Powell about like if there is a complaint pro um a complaint there is going to be a complaint process but where does the board maybe tie into that? Is it only if

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it reaches CPD? Could it be that we are another avenue the board for collecting complaints or you know so th those are >> that was in the details. >> Right. Right. And so that'll happen but um just two things I was going to mention the the other two bullets on

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here work plan update. So I was just going to uh include the fact that in these binders one of the the ideas behind the binders is to provide a set of resources that are consistent across

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all board members and are updated and things that are reference materials. For now um my goal is to collect them each time so that I keep them all consistent and add to it. This was like really quickly. Thank you Karan for helping with this really quickly put together

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today. Um but the intent being to have like that consistent set of resources that can be referred to and so some of the things in there like the work plan um my work plan from last year of like what the stuff I'm working on in the office and my goals is also in there. Um

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and that's stuff that I can also share digitally but this will just be a quick reference common thing to use. Um, and if you wanted a copy of it, I can I can make a copy for you to take home, too. So, um, but then, you know, I'm working

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on my work plan for the upcoming year off the it's the fiscal year, so I actually have to turn it in next week, and I'll share that with the board. Um, this is like how I'm evaluated by my supervisors through the city manager's office. Um, obviously there's a lot of tiein with the board's work. Uh there's

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also some other random elements that are related to city stuff, but also I think it's it's worth a time to for the board to kind of look back at the work plan that >> it started to create at the beginning of the year. Um because that speaks to what Mr. Lefave has brought up about

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priorities and and process of how we go about >> indicating what are the things that are most important to the board. What should be we work what are we working on? I think school resource officer stuff came up because school year is about to start. Right. >> Right. So it is pressing. It's a pressing issue right now. Um, and it ties to so many things. It ties to

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potential complaints. It ties to community and community sentiment. It ties to uh policy, right? There's a lot of connections of the work that the board already does. >> Um, and so it might be good to for us if if everybody would be in agreement to

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try to find the date for like a work session >> to focus on a couple specific things. Think about the priorities that we >> do a poll. Yeah, I can include that >> schedule. >> But other than that, I just to just to mention the thing that's also on the

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agenda about the advancing priorities is, you know, we've talked about making community connections a priority. Um there is a finalized survey form. Um I can send that out. It's digital, but it can also be done through

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>> through a uh print format. the whole point of the survey surveys are not always the best thing for that people want to do, right? As a way to build rapport and relationships, but it is a tool to collect, right? And so that collection aspect, um, it's very short

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and it tells us something and it helps start to build a data set. >> Um, and so we got to as a board and and as an office think about all the unique ways that we can get the survey out there, but also have the conversations that go along with that. Um, and then the policy review, we just kind of

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talked about what are the policies that maybe connect in with the school resource officer stuff to say, hey, uh, uh, because one of my questions is, is there any conflicts between theou and a CPD policy where the expectations are

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maybe not coherent with one another? And that's one of the things as I read the OU, I'm trying to think about. Yes. And bring I want to bring that stuff to you. >> Direct oversight. And this is where I wanted to mention Colin, you can jump in if you want. >> Yeah, I'll jump in. >> Okay. Um, so yeah, uh, we uh, were

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talking earlier today and uh, case review feels like it's probably what is most expected from the community of what we're doing and also probably what I think a lot of y'all are probably thinking is what we would be doing daytoday or week to week or month to month, whatever it is. Um, and so we

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really were thinking while this other stuff is happening, um, there could always be case review kind of going on to catch up. We're I think about 14 by our account, um, cases behind quote unquote on the on the year if we were to

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do a 100% of parallel case review to what CPD gets in terms of complaints. Um, and whenever we crunched the numbers, which is really just again looking at a word document, um, uh, we found that there was, I think, four, uh, that fall under courtesy that we thought

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could be our first category of review. Um so what we're thinking is of um setting a date again offline for uh when we could uh review that um uh whether it's a small group that takes that on

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and in terms of leading it or doing it as a whole group. Um and then >> we have to do two one. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I Yeah. I I mean it more of like the uh to to uh to to make the the vote on uh uh certain things if

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we need to. Um >> but uh but yeah, so that's that's kind of the plan is to be able to start with those four as a category and then get through the other categories kind of systematically. not choosing in in uh which ones we want to do first, but

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rather just going with something that feels uh you know almost in in some ways uh kind of uh random but also very important when it comes to a large group of a lot of the complaint >> courtesy is always one that comes up. >> Yes. And

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>> and it's and it's something that seems addressable, right? You can you can easily treat people with a little more courtesy. So the that just to make that clear for everybody that's kind of something that it's almost like we'd get some some homework here to do um uh to make it so we are actively producing

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more as a as a board. Um but the plan is to make it way more than just the case reviews. That's just what I think if you ask someone what does PCOB do? They probably are going to think they review cases of complaints, right? Um and so we need to actually

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>> do that. Uh that's that's a suggestion. And it's not it's not a it's not a directive of this is what we are now doing. It's more >> this is what we're here to do. >> I think it makes I think it would only make sense for us to have >> time 100% review of everything that the Charlottesville Police Department gets

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that we are also doing our own uh review that is going to be a lot more than just that one-page document you get back that says whether it was founded or sustained unfounded um and then kind of resources for how you might you know continue that feels like a government document.

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actually giving something that feels a lot more responsive to people's needs and and concerns and shows the work that we put into actually going through a lot of the the case itself. So, I think we can be a great service to the community. That's why I'm kind of proposing that and pushing it. Nothing to vote on. It's

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just I'm just kind of do we ever get a clarification on uh closed meetings and case review because I know that the new statute seemed to have >> Yeah, it's been so restrictive. It's only under very certain circumstances which >> mean that's held up. I mean we have

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>> ironically with school resource officers when it's related to juveniles and things that actually creates new pathways no new pathways of of closed session. >> Oh okay. >> Because it so in some ways if and again this would take a lot of

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more attention with the legal side but if it's a complaint related to a school resource officer and a juvenile that happens in the school that actually may be eligible for close session. Um, and so that that's a good thing in the sense of the confidentiality, the privacy, and all that type of stuff.

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>> But I'm trying to envision if we if we did 221's on the say the body cam footage or the case review, at some point we have to come together and would be in a public meeting just to just to somehow share information. >> Yeah. Limited, but also to take a

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position on it, you know, upper hand. >> So that's what that's kind of the idea behind the the approach of the scorecard process. So scorecards, they're in they're actually in that binder and I can send it out again. It's still a little bit of a rough draft, but basically >> board members would come in one or two

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at a time because that that we're don't have to have that public review body cam and review the case summary and actually use the scorecard each individual board member is scoring and writing notes. And I would be very clear during that time. Anything you write on this paper, this

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is to be used for our public session. So no names, no identifying information. And I like that's where stuff I would have to redact before it would be brought into the public session. >> Yeah. >> And then in the public session, the conversation can occur at that level >> in general >> and the comments and the >> the things [clears throat] that are

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happening as a result of that case, the decisions being made, the policies, all that kind of stuff without getting into names and specific details, identifiable information. So >> this is a a challenging process. That's why it's so slow and that's why it really hasn't been done before because

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it takes a lot of framework. And you know, I was telling Kyle today like I'm all about building the framework and the documents because it it is critical to doing it right >> and if you don't do it right, there's major problems, >> right, with this. So, >> I I do want to add and let the board

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know that there's some preliminary discussion about um this hiring the second person for the office. you know what that would look like. What do we want their job description? What do we want their role to be? Because we have a lot of say in that, but my goal is to

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take some of the sort of day-to-day nitty-gritty stuff off James' plate and let him be the, you know, the big picture guy. Um, but that's subject to the to the board's input as well. I mean, I don't I'm unilaterally making that decision, but but I'm hopeful that

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by the end of the year, maybe I'm optimistic that we'll have a second person, which will really help all of this, especially to Kyle's point, till the case review because they can do they can look at body cam, they can

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>> they can prep it. James doesn't need to be spending his time prepping body cam footage >> redacting things >> and redacting things and you know coming up with they could have picked up the food from Wegman's saying >> example >> if if Izz was here I'd have been doing

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that which I did anyways this time but she the carpool from the water street garage the carpool service exactly y I already validated everybody's parking they could have done so >> stay tuned on that but if you have thoughts about it are or we're still

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sort of searching for a title and where do they fit into the city bureaucracy in terms of HR, but you know, we did some preliminary brainstorming on Monday about uh what what some of those u job assignments would be, but if you have thoughts about please let me or James

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know and we'll get it on the as we're formulating this thing. It's a very rough rough at this point. The other thing I wanted to mention is uh please please please if you haven't done your ride along, let's get them done by the end of the month. Yeah, and I've gotten a couple forms back and trying to I I

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know you haven't heard back from me because I haven't heard back from who I'm supposed to hear back from. Although I got a call that it should be possible. So, I need to follow up like next for like next week maybe one of your dates. >> And and uh and whenever you're doing observations, conversations, ride alongs, anything that is giving you

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knowledge, make sure that's also giving the board knowledge. >> Yeah. >> So, if that like don't just keep your thoughts to yourself, write notes down so that we can put that repository. >> Yeah. Yes, >> thank you. I I also am approving of that sense of I, [laughter]

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you know, I'm always and and coming from education like educators do data on everything, right? You document everything, you do data on everything because it tells you something and sometimes it's too much, but I'd rather it be too much than not doesn't exist, right? Like >> just like we're talking about the positive interactions, things like that.

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So, that's right. All right. >> So, please get those done and we'll stop nagging you. Uh, James, what else? >> That that's all for me. There might be some scheduling and stuff. So, yeah. >> Um, are you able to find out when the back to school things are because I

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think it'd be nice for at least one of us to go through those back to school nights. So, >> I can I can I actually got emails about some of them. Okay. Um, and so I can send those to you. You know, one of the considerations with that was that sometimes they're not there are very

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people come and go at the table very quickly. It's it's a it's not really a time for dialogue at all. Um it just is a time for giveaways kind of. It may be handing out a card or a piece of literature, but that doesn't mean that that's not still valuable. It's just, you know, um and so we do have a couple

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dates on those. One of the ones that we were debating about is over in Southwood, which is in the county. That's been an event that we've done a lot because it is it is a lot of the um the immigrant and Hispanic community and it's a good event and we've gone for

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several years. There's also ones downtown here. >> Um so, as a board, >> you can decide that. I've got the stuff in the office. I've got the table. I've got the stuff. We got >> swag. I think I have a hot email to you because I'm going there for my job. So, >> and if you say, "Hey, thanks N."

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>> Next to us, >> if you tell me, hey, I want to do this, then then I will do my very best to make sure that it happens or that we can facilitate some way to to make it happen. Just keep in mind, I spoke with someone from that community this morning and they are terrified after what

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happened in Green County last week >> and um that the whole community, the whole Brown community is terrified. And she said that she's never seen it this bad and people are just disappearing with no no knowledge of where they were sent. And I mean, it is horrific.

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>> And that's the part that makes you want to take a black Sharpie and scribble over the the police part of our at times. So >> if we go to that community, just keep in mind there's a high level of anxiety that may it may limit the turnout this year. She was guessing that as well

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because we I talked about it. >> Yeah. >> Things are not good in that community. It's it's just awful editorial comp. >> All right. Um, James, >> I don't have anything else other than I'll follow up with maybe trying to

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figure out some dates and time like for a lot of this stuff >> because I think if we if we can get like a case review done over the next month or two y >> then one of those like September or October board meeting can be the public session of the four cases outcomes

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reviewed, right? And that would be a great thing to publicize and say, >> "Yeah, now we're in the middle of doing case review and now we have new ones teed up." >> Um, so >> second public comment, sir. >> Well, what I had in mind, first of all,

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my name is Clarence Johnson. Um, I've I'm kind of like uh retired from community activism and that kind of thing, but I've had experience in it going back to the Million Man March back in 1995. Well, my point is first of all, I always

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keep in keep in mind even with myself, the biggest room in any house is room for improvement and you all are definitely on the right path as far as being proactive as opposed to reactive. >> Thank you. >> Um, and you also have your this would be

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I would consider this uh a uh committee committee meeting or board meeting. Then you have your public forum. You know, you always have to you, you know, as far as community engagement and and relations, you have the people have to

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find a way where they can see where they, in other words, if somebody can if they can take ownership of something because they see where they can benefit so they become active, be involved. Let's say you have a town hall. I mean, I heard you just mention something about something public. You got to constantly

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engage the people >> so that those that want to participate can get in where they fit in. and you might find the help or the the um that you need from community engagement. So, you're right. You want to do your strategy among yourselves as a committee

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or horn meeting and then you got to do something publicly and you got to it's got to it's it's and that's where you're going to find your help or your volunteers or just whatever. And um at the end of the day, I'm I'm going to be

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quiet, but uh in today's world, security-minded, it it you know, I mean, when I was coming along, you had the vice principal who was the enforcer. I mean, from where I'm from, I'm about to be 69, but I'm saying in today's world, it's a different type of a world.

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>> Yeah. So, uh, Coline and every now and then you'll hear about something really, but if if everybody if you see something, say something or you know that kind of thing, you know, you got to keep the communication lines open and that kind of thing because the children

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as as as people get more educated, then a child can even a three-y old can barely talk, it can tell you something. I'm just saying, you know, and so I I'm I'm glad I did come out because I see that this is this is where it starts. >> It don't take a whole lot of clouds to

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make thunder. Just take two. Next thing you know, we that's all I got. I just thought I would say that. >> Thank you very much. >> James and No, what's your name? >> James. Yeah, you got it. >> And uh Ed, you know, I just stumbled and and I >> appreciate you. >> I gave my commitment a while back and

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and first time I missed because I ended up working overtime. So, I'm glad that came out >> because uh I think the more people, you know, find that there there's some people that actually sincerely out here trying to make a difference >> is what it takes, you know. So, that's

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all I got. >> Thank you, sir. >> Any comment or feel? All right. Don't want to put you on the spot. I don't I doubt the person online because they have just sat in there the whole time, but >> if you're online, raise your hand if you want to. >> Yeah, I forgot. I'm sorry, Remy. Anybody? >> Okay. All right. Any other board

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business before I ask for a motion to adjourn once, twice? Can I get a motion? >> So moved. >> Second. >> Second in favor. >> I >> thank you all. Great meeting. Thanks for coordinating the school folks. Jane,

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>> I'm glad it came together because it came together at the last minute. >> It was a little touch and go there. >> It was. >> We had invited the superintendent. >> It went well. >> Yeah. I think there there are some questions I was going to send you that I had from reading it of like >> Okay, perfect.

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>> And I think like this relation this was a good like intro without getting too deep in anything, but we can we can kind of follow up now >> on this and send some more detailed things or just >> have some time with the SRO's before school starts. >> We can make that happen. Y we'll talk to the chief.

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>> We' actually invited the superintendent but I think and he was out of town so him >> president. Yeah, for today. I'm sorry. But I think she was probably, you know, got back more boots on the ground when it comes to all this issue that that he sort of alluded to her and

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industry.