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MEETING SECTIONS:

Part 1 (Video ID: SM8YJmyROLA):
- 00:05:54: Meeting Call to Order, Agenda & Minutes Approval
- 00:08:58: Announcements: Memorial, City Council Meeting, Ride Alongs
- 00:17:41: Announcements: Reaching out to City Councilors for Coffee
- 00:19:00: First Public Comment Period: No Participants Present
- 00:19:16: Proposed Ordinance Revisions: Presentation and Discussion
- 00:28:37: Proposed Ordinance Revisions: Purpose Statement Reimagined
- 00:36:26: Proposed Ordinance Revisions: Audit Review Framework Transition
- 00:43:52: Proposed Ordinance Revisions: Barrier Removal & Discipline
- 00:49:58: Proposed Ordinance Revisions: Board Membership Clarification
- 00:55:56: Proposed Ordinance Revisions: SOPs and other Items
- 00:59:06: Proposed Ordinance Revisions: Next Steps and Approval
- 01:03:11: School Resource Officer Discussion: Superintendent Invitation
- 01:13:19: Future Meeting Agenda Items and Work Plan Discussion
- 01:17:21: Second Public Comment Period: No Participants Present
- 01:17:39: Neighborhood Association Outreach and Homelessness Discussion
- 01:23:32: Adjournment Motion and Meeting Conclusion


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kind of I mean do you need to get there early or do you see >> I think we'll the goal will be to be wrapped up by then. The last couple meetings we've done have gone kind of late. >> Yeah. >> All right. So, let me uh call this meeting of the uh Charlottesville Police

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and Notifi Board to order. This is our May meeting 2026. Just a couple participation rules to review. Please adhere to respectful conduct. Treat other attendees with courtesy. Listen actively, avoid interruptions and and refrain from personal attacks during

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public comments. If we have folks either here or online, there'll be two opportunities for that. Um, we'll call on you during the uh during those times if you have indicated you want to speak. There's a threem minute time limit and there will be no back and forth with the

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board. No responding to questions. If you have questions you want to submit to the board, please do so in writing to Mr. Walker through the office and we will respond. Uh when you speak, please state your name clearly, your affiliation if any, whether you're a resident of Charlottville County or

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another jurisdiction, and um the submission of questions or comments can be sent to PCO at chararlottzville.gov. So that said, would you call the role please, Mr. Long? >> Sure. Um Mr. Vaughn,

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>> Mr. Lefave, >> here. >> Mr. Dillard, >> here. >> Dr. Fraser, >> present. U Mrs. Reeves and Mr. Fry >> here. >> So we I'm just noting but I'll note late and then I know Dr. U Kelly said she is

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on her way. >> Um so we have the in front of you. You have the um agenda for tonight. Uh if we could if you would look at that and if I if I could get a motion to approve it. >> So moved.

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>> Is there a second? >> All in favor? signify by saying I I >> opposed. >> Then we have two sets of minutes to approve from our um April 9th regular monthly meeting and then our work session on April 27th.

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>> Before you do that, I know I mentioned it last time before you called for the motion. I just wanted to mention again, I take the transcripts directly from the recording and uh I use AI to produce it, but then I read I watch the video and I read through and just verify everything. So, that's kind

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of my method just so you know. >> Okay. So, so >> I'll try to hide anything, but >> we can assume that it's it's um they're pretty accurate then. >> Yeah, I read from start to finish. >> Um if I could get um an approval of the minutes. Uh motion to approve both sets.

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>> Second in favor. >> Thank you very much. Um Mr. Walker, you have announcements for the board. >> Yep. I just wanted to keep highlighting the calendar um link and I've been like announcing every email to when I add events. So just one event that was was

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cool this week, not cool, but it's an event that is uh done yearly is the memorial to the officers. Um so in the sense of good that we're taking that time to recognize those officers. Um

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councelor Snook had uh spoke at that and and then the chief as well. Um but just uh that that's an annual thing. It's May 15th because that's a defined date I think from the Kennedy administration. So you know for next year um >> tomorrow. Sorry.

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>> No, it was already >> May 13. >> May 13th. My bad. >> 13th. >> May 13th. Yes. >> May 13th. So it was yesterday. Um >> yeah. So that that happens each year usually just down here in Ting. Just wanted to mention it. >> Um >> went well. >> Yes. Went went very well. So it's it's

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definitely a good >> attending the time there's some community members there and things like that. So um and then I just also wanted to uh on coming weeks I was unspecific but it's related to the fact that as but the fact that I'm here means there's no baby.

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>> Yeah. So um but that could happen any moment now. Um, and so in light of Monday with city council, that's at 4 p.m. over in >> chambers, right? >> City council chambers. So >> we're on city.

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>> So if you go to the main building next door here, there is the main entrance. Um, and then it's I think up a floor, right? >> Second floor. >> Yeah. And it's right as you come up, it's pretty obvious. Double doors. Um, and there would be folks there that could direct you in the lobby if if

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you're having trouble finding. >> Um, and so what we we've we've planned ahead for and we'll talk about some of that tonight, but we planned ahead for me not to be there. Um, if I am there, great. If not, great. It's okay either way. So, it's not

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>> So, just propose that. So, what what I propose to Mr. Walker is that uh if he is there, I will just uh make a few opening comments to council and then I'm going to ask him to get into the weeds of the ordinance changes we're requiring. If he's not there, then I'll

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I'll do that myself, but he's much more familiar with it having worked on it extensively, although I've worked on it as well, not anywhere to the extent that he has. But either way, we'll be making a formal presentation and then we'll be answering questions from council. We

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have only an hour, so we're going to have to use it um use it um effectively. Any questions about Monday? >> I just uh just to if you want to see like the format, they did one I think it was the last council meeting. They had a work session.

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>> They just had one on homelessness. Uh >> that was different. That was in here. >> Yeah. That I meant like the work session that they do in council chambers is there's podium. They're up on the diet. >> It's a little different. >> You kind of share directly. they have questions. Um, so it's a little more

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formal, but you know, in in reality, not all board members are going to have opportunity to talk and that's the goal really is to be there to show endorsement and solidarity. Yeah. >> Monday, right? >> That is Monday, 4 p.m. Yep. >> If you can make it, please do. If you can't, we certainly understand if you

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have work and other commitments, but the more of us there, I just think we I would like to present as much of United as possible. >> Do they generally ask questions of us? >> Yes, they do. meeting and what any any sense of what kind of questions they might be asking? >> You never know.

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>> When we had the work session, uh, Abby, in September, was it last year or year? >> Yep. September last year of >> um, I think it was se Yeah. I don't know. >> Yeah. It was just kind of an open dialogue. I mean, they just sort of asked random questions all over the map

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about what we were up to, where things were. So, it's very unpredictable. We have two, well, just one new council person, Miss Flea, since then. So, it's hard to know. >> They usually the the mayor usually goes down the line and kind of checks with

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each of them to see who has comments or questions or and it could then when you answer could initiate other questions from, you know, so >> it's a back and forth kind of process. Um they just did something like that uh at the last council meeting which was

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the Monday before this one. >> Yeah. >> So it's like an hour you can watch kind of see how it goes. If it's on YouTube, it's on the city website. >> Just given the sheer volume of of paperwork that comes across their desk, it's unlikely they will have read the entire redline version of what we're

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asking. So we'll be presenting an overview of that and answering general questions, but the questions can literally go anywhere. So we want to be prepared. Other announcements? Uh, >> that was all I had unless someone else wants to highlight anything.

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>> I have a question for you for you. How did the open house go for >> Oh, yeah. So, um, this is public recognition week was last week, public service recognition week. So, um, I had just said I'd keep the office open on Fridays for employees to come by and

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grab swag and stuff. We have about 20 people show up. >> Nice. >> Yeah. So, that that was good. Um, >> good. And then tomorrow there's a city event over at one of the parks. I believe >> that was yesterday. >> Tomorrow is going to head up going on up there yesterday.

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>> Midday. I don't know. But this is I forget. I mean, I have the email somewhere, but what what are they calling tomorrow? >> I couldn't tell you. >> Community day or something. >> Yeah. But it's just kind of a wide open, you know, a lot of the city department >> city staff departments are all going to

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be in and out of the area. So, um it's in the afternoon. I'll be there for a bit, but >> yeah, I'll be there for a bit. But >> yeah, you're welcome to to show up as, you know, members of um the city board. So, that's not as >> no obligation, but I think >> it's like all afternoon. If you want

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details, let me know. >> Um and just a reminder, if you haven't u done scheduled your ride along, please do so. I want to get all those done um certainly before the end of the summer. Um, and it's it's a pretty straightforward process. It's just a

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question of your schedule and when you can do it, letting them know and Mr. Walker can help you with that if you have concerns about getting it scheduled. >> The question that do I have to do that ride along? Okay. Thank you. >> You've done enough. >> Oh, 31 years. I did enough.

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>> You wrote on with yourself. >> My concern if you did a ride along, you would just take over and that would put the cop in the back seat. So we we we don't need that to happen. So those are coordinated through you the ride alongs. >> So uh I'm happy to help.

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>> It's really Eric Johnson, but >> there's two things. The form is what needs to be filled out, which I can send out. Again, I've sent it a couple of times. Um and then the Sergeant Thomas is who actually schedules them. So, I can basically what I what I would need

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from you is a couple date options that I can then send to him, CCU, and just say like, "Hey, are these are these options available? Do you need to look further out?" I don't exactly know his scheduling frame if you need me to check in. >> It's pretty loosey goosey. I mean, he'll

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give me a date and then you just show up. But, but that the form's critical because they do a background check on everybody before they will let us ride along. So that's the it's a pretty it's a pretty >> there's a liability stuff with that too superficial but it is a background check. So >> are they daytime ride alongs or even

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>> typically I mean you could request an evening shift you could request a midnight if you're >> insomniac >> I've done a ride along with the city and with the county but many years ago in both cases I did like a Friday evening. >> Oh you did the busiest >> Yeah that's busy time do on a Friday or

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Saturday. Yeah, you're gonna see see some otherwise it could be kind of boring. >> Yeah, it probably won't be boring on a Friday. >> Friday night will not be boring. And he's pretty good about um

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assigning you an officer who you know is amanable to doing it and who will kind of give you a running uh commentary on what they're doing. And it's amazing to see how many how much multitasking they have to do sitting at that wheel. It's just the videos all

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>> crazy. Computer, cell phone, radio, not a scanny environment. It's just it's it's intense. >> There's a whole lot different without >> Okay. Um, any other announcements? >> Yeah, I've got one. >> Yes, please. >> I talked to Brian Kingston today just

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because I know him. It's >> counselor. Yeah. Yep. and I was on the region 10 board with him in anticipation of our meeting. I asked him what he thought that the city council would be looking for done. >> And he didn't really have any any

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specific ideas, but he did say one thing that I thought would be good for us to consider, which is he said the counselors are like meeting with us individually for coffee. And I thought, >> oh yeah, always >> thought that would be a good thing for me to do. So,

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>> and you know, they're busy. I mean, I've met with Mr. Snook several times. I've met with >> Miss Fleer several times. I met with the mayor once just just for coffee. Uh, let's see. >> I think that's it. But yeah, I met with

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three of the of the five. So, oh, I met with Michael Payne a while ago, >> just informally. It's just good to know them. And I haven't met with Miss Ms. Oer and I don't really know her. So, >> but they're very amendable to that. just reach out say I'm a member of the PCOB

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can we grab coffee sometimes good idea thanks for reminding us >> hello welcome um okay um any other announcements

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>> thanks Abby um anybody on screen for uh comment no one here okay >> first we comment >> there's three participants and one's is me and one's the camera. I think the last one is Remy.

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>> Okay. Um I'm going to pass it over back to Mr. Walker to talk a little bit about um we need to get a vote tonight on the propo proposed ordinance revisions. Uh so that when we go into council on Monday, we

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can say the board has approved uh these the the proposal. Uh James Uh, sorry. I was just looking at one thing real quick. Um, so you have in your the packet in front of you there, I

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think it's the second thing down it other than the minutes, it's the presentation that will be shown to council on Monday. Um, and so if you think about how we've we've many many months of talking about all this, and I

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promise it's coming to a close >> document here, folks, >> coming to a close. Um, and I would put it up on the screen, but it just causes if people in the public want to see it, it's posted online, but it just causes it to be slow and clunky. So, um, they can hear us and they can

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pull it up online, but all of you have it in front of you. This is what I would consider the high level, the the very high level summary of what >> in the weeds. >> Yep. Or the opposite of the weeds. This >> this is in the clouds.

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Um, and then what you have after that is what I would consider the midlevel perspective on the ordinance, which is this table looking thing. Um, and then the deep level in the weeds really is, and I didn't even print it out because it's too long, but I've said it to you a

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couple times, is the actual red line that has all the all the language. We've seen that before. We've talked about that a little bit before. Um, and so council has is going to have this table in their files, but they're not we're not going to like show it or go through it or anything with them. It

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will just be the presentation. So, it just keeps because of the time and the format, it just makes sense to stick at this level. But, this kind of hits the key issues. So, I just wanted to go through it with you to to hit each slide and and see kind of if there's any final

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lingering questions um or just comments about it. Um I did get um Mrs. Reeves had emailed me about the purpose statement. I had I had amended that based on the u work session we had and Mrs. Reeves had some some uh additional

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feedback on that. So, I I'll show that up later. Um and just that'll kind of initiate some discussion. But looking at this uh you can see the purpose there is we're we're going to council to actually ask them to transition the model of

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oversight from this thing that said you can do everything but we're only going to talk about the invest the independent investigation piece in in detail to something that instead says we're going to take away that independent investigation piece because that's where

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a lot of the complications come into play and all that's left which is the monitoring, the auditing, the reviewing. We're going to beef that up into something that is tangible, clear, and uh actually lays out the expectations of

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the board. Um and so that's just like the big overarching message. Uh you can see remove the barriers, clarify the duties, processes, and outcomes. That's on that first slide. Sorry, I'm trying to save save pages, but the slides are numbered. Um, so the goal is to review

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it with them, see what discussion points come up from the council members, and then allow them to inform us of their feedback, concerns, questions, that kind of stuff. Um, so just so you know, meanwhile, all of this has been

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submitted to the city attorney's office as well as to the independent council who was with us, I think it was the last meeting, right? >> Yes. >> Um, and so there's kind of like a dual review going on. that'll take a lot of time because it's it's very complex. So, the idea is okay, the board has been

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spending some months on this and is now presenting it um in that final draft form to council. Council's giving feedback. The attorneys will absolutely have feedback. I guarantee that. So, the motion that we're that I'm kind of asking tonight or recommending tonight

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of the board is to say, "Hey, we're ready to forward this to council. Um, we think this is in a good place. Now, that's pending feedback from the city attorney's office as well as independent council and the council itself just

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giving us their feedback. So, it's not saying that this is final language. There's still time to make revisions, changes, things to like the purpose statement. It's just saying we're pretty much at the place where we're ready to show it to the council. Um, and the board is in in agreement on that. Um, so

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that's what my recommendation is this evening. So if you flipped any I'll pause right there. Any questions about kind of the framing for Monday? >> On Monday they the council will not make vote to adopt the new

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>> discussion. And when they do vote to adopt the new ordinance, how will they how will they be framing it as like we adopt like we we you know propose to adopt the ordinance as as adopted by the

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PCO or >> or they can tweak it or Yeah. Are they likely to though? No, >> they could uh hopefully what we'll they'll do is if we need to change it >> readings you want. >> Yeah. Yeah. So >> hopefully what will happen is we get enough information back where we can

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make the changes before it goes to the official city council like for the vote and there are two reads. So they have to see it once and then see it a second time before they can actually vote to approve it. Um the first time they see it they will have the final draft

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version. So I expect this to be closer to like July once all the attorney review is done. They we've gotten their feedback. um they'll already have it. So if they have additional feedback kind of through the city manager to me, that can happen. But that it should be pretty much

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finalized in July to be like here's the first time it's put out and then two weeks later here's the second time we approve it. >> Um and typically it would be a straight up and down vote. You know, they would have re reviewed it or they would have at least heard from the city manager

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based upon his recommendation or the city attorney based upon his recommendation. So that they often will rely on that rather than getting way down in the weeds. It's just too much for them to do. >> Yeah. >> Have have our attorney uh review this

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also right now >> as we speak. >> Okay. Right. >> Let's go. >> And it's extensive. So I mean they're going to have to put some time in as is the city attorney on it. >> Yeah. If you look at the table, you you can see this this documents every single change. not the words of every change

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but the actual this what is the change >> sure >> and then the reason for it um so it's it is a lot um and it's been a very kind of complex process and I can't say that it's still you know there I'm sure there's still plenty of things that the attorney legal mind so

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>> and that's without any legal review meaning any legality stuff that Mr. Walker and I and Dr. dogs had know nothing of that. >> Oh, so we're at their mercy. >> Did our best though. I mean, it's every time there's a reference to a Virginia code or or whatever, it's documented.

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So, >> I got my homework for the weekend before Monday to go over top of all this. >> Well, if you can, you can, but I mean, we're not going to get that deep into this document on Monday. We're just not going to have time to. This will be really what we're going to If you want to look at anything over the weekend,

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this will be the >> Yeah. Yeah. I'll look at that tonight. But at this I want to really >> Yeah. No, look at it. >> I mean, I think we ought to be prepared for when we go in there on Monday. >> Yeah. >> And and all just in case. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So they and they can ask I mean they could ask different board members

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to get up and kind of Yeah. I don't know. You know, that's it's up to them. It's their venue. So um I don't think they'll do that. That's kind of not really their the style, but um they will ask questions. I know that. >> So council has copies of this song. >> They have Yeah, they have these two

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documents. It's on their agenda already for Monday. You have >> and during the work I'll say one other just quick thing is during that work session period that we have slotted for on Monday there's no public comment during that versus when we actually put it up for the first and second read

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there is public comment kind of part of that. So the second >> both. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So it it's a little bit of a different format like yeah there's still public comment that night. So I guess someone could people could speak to it that night too but it's like there's no

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public comment as part of the work session itself. Um they go into closed session and then they come back to their open meeting. Uh it's whole process. So, >> I mean, if there's going to be push back, it'll happen at the first or second reading. >> Public push back

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>> or we might kind of find out in between between Monday and >> hear on the grape vine or however. >> Yeah. I'm going to continue Mr. Walker too. >> Sure. Yep. Um, so the purpose statement reimagined, you know, this first slide, what I tried to

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do with the slides is put them in order. And this was with um my supervisor, Steve King, who is the assistant to the city manager. Uh he he's fully aware of this too. He'll be at the council meeting. We've been dialoguing about this and the format as well. And so it's

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kind of in order of like big picture and the the kind of the key changes and the stuff at the end of the slides is not that important. Like the definitions is the last slide, right? We added a definition section. So it's not like critical to the big picture, but the

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purpose statement reimagined, I took the conversation that the board was having um during the work session and try to rework that and the conversation from the last meeting we had here. Um and then Miss Reeves, I mean I can show it

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up on the screen if or if you want to comment on what you sent me or if you would like me to read it. >> I remember what I Yes, I can read it. >> Okay. Um, so I'll just read the the purpose statement as it is as it stands right now and you can just kind of let it settle and feel for you. Um, you know

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how it how it lands but and then I wanted to share what Miss Reeves had said. So I have the purpose of the board is to support community well-being and safety by advancing the quality of policing in the city of Charlottesville through civilianled transparency and accountability. The board fulfills this

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purpose by monitoring, auditing, and reviewing department conduct, policies, practices, and procedures, and by issuing public reports with recommendations for corrective action and the adoption of best practices in policing. So as you know policy statements

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sentences tend to get long but um so what I did and just to highlight the change what I did is I put support community well-being at the front very at the which was based on some conversation I think George brought that up quite a bit about the community aspect being needs to be front and

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center. Um so the purpose of the board is the very first purpose is to support community well-being and safety and how how is the board doing that by advancing the quality of policing which is something Dr. Dobson was sharing about and talking about as well. Um and then we have that key piece of civilian-led

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transparency and accountability which all of you are civilians. The goal is for you to lead that that effort, right? Um then we mention kind of how the board goes about doing this. The monitoring, the auditing and the reviewing of what the department's

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conduct, policies, practices, procedures, and then it kind of ends with what's the outcome. It's issuing public reports, recommendations for corrective action, the adoption of best practices, policing. So that's kind of how I reworked it. Um,

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again, there's still opportunity to change the wording of this, so it's not like it's set in stone. And so, what Miss Reeves had sent was thinking about at the end where it talks about the board's going to produce republic uh public reports about recommendations for

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corrective action, you added in to promote justice and fairness. >> And so, I think because you only sent that to me, right? Yeah. So, it's just adding that that terminology of promoting justice and fairness in there. Um, and I I think that's a good

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addition. >> Yeah. >> So, good. >> Okay. So, that's that sounds like that one's a go and I can make the amendment. There's no we don't need a vote on that. It's just like because we're still just drafting, you know. >> Um, and then the second part was at the beginning where it's talking about

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supporting community well-being. uh you mentioned by upholding the rights, dignity and voices of all residents and promoting the ethical quality of policing. >> That became very long. >> It does. And that might need a little

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work, but I get the the you're clarifying I think that what we mean by community well-being. We're talking about rights, dignity, and voices, right? And I I think that's good framing as well. Um, and then you're

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adding the word ethical to the quality of policing. Any any feelings on th those kind of additions? Because I can I can just rewrite it and send it out and see if there's other feedback from that. Um, >> can you define quality of policing and

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how that would be measured? So, I think the that is is defined and measured throughout the rest of the ordinance because uh you know the purpose statement is going to is not going to be able to to to truly define everything that it's saying is its purpose. Um we

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could swap out lots of words. We're are going to have to define all of them. There is a definition section in the ordinance now. So, we could add that as a definition. Um >> why won't we just add that? we can >> definition. >> So what is what is uh and this is this

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is a term Dr. Dobson uses a lot so he's not here to defend it >> but um to me this is where I I go back to like the terms I tend to use are uh transparency which is I can define as

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the ability for the outside public to see into >> the internal of something. So be able to see through and see into what is happening on policies, practices, procedures. Accountability is when something is um said we're going to do

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this because we have a policy that says we do this and someone doesn't do that or violates that that there is a consequence or a corrective action taken. To me, that's accountability. So like that's why I use those two terms because I feel like they are definable and they're in there. But yeah, quality

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I guess could go in all kinds of directions. I that absolutely true. So I'm going to stop talking. >> Any Yeah. Any thoughts on that? Is there only that we want to leave ourselves some leeway? Um because if you

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if you define it down too narrowly, you get stuck in, you know, one very specific definition. Be told, you know, that's not your verb. Not doesn't count within your, you know, very narrow definition. So you you can go too far and getting everything precisely

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aligned. I mean, it might be worth just saying like let's let's mark that as a term. We can work on a definition in the uh the definition section if it's worth like because the definition section of the ordinance is like its own place now. So

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we can always add stuff as we come up with terms that are like we need to make this very clear on what we mean by this and we we have a place for it now. We don't have to mess up the rest of the ordinance. We can just add it in. >> Yeah. Yeah. So it makes it easier.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. Um, well, what I'll do and and if you're okay with this is whatever we say or whatever the board decides tonight to to move forward with the motion, we can say, you know, um, with the caveat of the the legal review by

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attorneys, the city attorney's office, the feedback from city council, and just um reconsideration of the language and the purpose statement, right? because I think this this piece is the piece that

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>> takes the most fine tuning of anything. Yeah. Um because really it's meant to set the tone which is what this slide says. It says hey we're trying to set the tone for the rest of the document. Um so looking at the next slide is transition

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to the monitor audit review framework. All this is saying is saying, hey, what the changes from the investigative model to the monitor audit review model. And so it lays out what that is. And I've already talked a lot about why, but

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it's just makes it clear what do each of these mean? How do how does the board and the office do auditing, monitoring, reviewing? What does that mean? What are the things that come out of that? um what types of data and information do we

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have access to to do that? Um that really lays out the the heart of the ordinance. And then if you look at slide five, which is on the third page in there, the emphasis on public reporting and oversight outcomes. This section, this

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is a whole section that clearly states what the board can determine, what you do with it, how it gets reported out publicly, and who it gets sent to, like the chief of police, what the chief of police has to do in response. Um, which right now it says there's a a requirement of a written

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response, public response to the board. Um, >> is that in the policy already? >> It is in the policy already, but it's it's highlighted a little more and clarified a little more. and it's not been enforced. >> I mean, we really haven't had occasion to, but I mean, we want to emphasize

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that piece >> because it goes to accountability. >> Yeah. >> I mean, this speaks to I think the most weight that the board has is the ability to put things out publicly.

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>> Yeah. >> And get response to them. That's the truth of the matter. But that I think that's pretty that can be pretty powerful. Um so the more that the we can get into that cadence of getting things out to the public from board decisions and

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recommendations on things from you know case related stuff all the way to policies >> policies procedures. Y >> that's really our mission. >> Yeah. >> Um jumping down to that next slide. Slide six is the workable scope for

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board hearings. So hearings always existed. they were always in the like a defined in a trial format like a trial of an officer, you know, and so this just changes that scope to focus on bigger picture things, trends, um maybe

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in complaints, audits, policies, but the hearing is something a little more official than what we're doing right now, which is that the goal would be to bring in invite the police on a voluntary basis to speak to the topic. Um it might be we bring in an expert, we bring in research, we bring in could

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have an attorney provide a legal thing, could be witnesses or other, you know, public comment. So it's just like a better venue to bring all these things into one topic. Um and that lays out the the kind of a workable scope for hearings. The goal is to avoid all the

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confidential and private information because that's where you can you're going to run into issues. I and I Jeeoff I don't Were you there when the the practice hearing or the Yeah. So I don't know that was a couple years ago. There was

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>> It was not pretty. >> Yeah. >> Um >> it didn't go well. It was and and it was all contrived because of we were still dealing with the same limitations about compelling testimony for instance which we couldn't do. It was solely based on a

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written record and a and body cam footage. But there was no nor was there going to be any officer testimony. >> Yeah. >> So basically what it meant was we'd be presenting a uh prosecution without the person having an opportunity to defend

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themselves >> and without waving the opportunity. >> Yeah. Which violates due process obviously. >> They don't have to come and talk but if they want to >> well they would be heard >> they wouldn't. >> They could have done it voluntarily but

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>> Yeah. But it's not going to happen. >> That's not going to happen just because of the nature of like the collective bargaining and the protections that are available to them within the guarant which we can't get we can't give a guarantee a guarant >> protection or Yeah. It's a

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>> I mean there's so many obstacles to that. It's just not going to happen. >> So this kind of cleans that up. It's and then it's the same thing on the next page with the subpoena authority. Very similar kind. they're related to one another.

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>> It is very unlikely that the board would ever need to use this authority. >> Um because there are there are like requirements before you get to a subpoena authority which is try and you know collaborate with the chief and try and try to kind of reach a conclusion.

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>> Yeah. The city manager is the the higher authority >> who's the arbitrator. >> Yep. So, but the board still has this authority under um this recommendation because it's given from the state code to have this authority to request. This is really useful for like third party

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records like a camera on the downtown mall that is owned by a private business or something like that and we we could ask for it, you know, as part of but um if not and it's really critical to some big major incident, >> that's where the subpoena authority

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would be relevant. And keep it in mind, we'd have to go to the circuit court to get that issued. >> And the judge has been less than reassuring that he would provide us. >> Well, this this hopefully corrects that because that was that was more about the ability to subpoena an officer, which is

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removed. >> So, that's been taken away. Um, it still retains the ability to subpoena records from the police department. That would that's still a we, you know, I don't know that we'll ever get there, but if we did, that would be interesting. Um,

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We shouldn't need to subpoena because we have >> right now we have access the authority to access everything and everything. >> Correct. >> And this and the police would have an easier time subpoenenaing for example uh a camera on the mall like they or or

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getting it by by whatever means than we would and as soon as the police have it we would have access to that. Well, in app propo that Rory that they just entered into an agreement I don't know if it's formalized with the downtown merchants to have access >> defense of downtown

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>> to the cameras. So I mean there's y it's probably a mood issue for that reason. I think it's it's really comes down to those like really really tiny edge cases where because there's a whole section in here about limitations and there's a lot of state law about the limitations and

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there's there's a lot of conflicting or potentially conflicting things. So it would be with advice of attorney you know and that like all that stuff would be very rare. I mean, we want to retain the option, but

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it'd be unlikely we'd ever use it, but we have it if we need to. >> That's probably the best way. >> Yeah, because it was like either that or take it out entirely, which >> didn't didn't seem to make sense. I mean, I wanted to keep it in just because who knows? >> Y um the next two slides talk about the

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barrier removals, which save these for a little bit further down the line, but I already talked about these quite a bit. is just saying, hey, the independent investigation model is a barrier for all kinds of reasons. The hearings, the subpoenas, the compelling officer testimony, the the discipline, which is

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the next slide after that, about not being able to have binding disciplinary authority over police officers. >> And these both kind of come under the chain model. That's the second slider. >> Yeah, >> they're under the same umbrella. Yeah,

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they're they're they're they're inherently tied to each other. Um I just put them separately. >> There's barriers at the state level, at the constitutional level, at the legal level, at the departmental level. I mean, there's just one after the other that says we can't do it. >> Well, the state does say you can do it,

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but there are a lot of things that would go along with that. So, >> but there's other state law that says you can't. So, that's part of the problem. I mean, I can't quote it off the top of my head, but when I was looking into the beer, you know, the reasons, one of them was there's some statute about, you know, what we can and

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can't do there. So, it's it's it's ambiguous, >> very complicated. Yeah. And that's where it's like the the resources like the legal resources to get to that point as well as the change to a variety of major things like the collective bargaining agreement which

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isn't like that's where that complication comes in >> at all levels and this ordinance change is essentially kind of creating a situation where we do not end up as the kind of initial iteration of the peop board pursuing things that turn out to

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not be possible. Correct. >> Instead, kind of shephering us and future members of the board to go in a direction that will produce results that we we know from experience can produce results. >> Yes. >> Well said, Rory. And and removing the

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barriers that have precluded us having a hearing in seven years of sports existence. I mean, that speaks that's what I always go back to because that speaks volumes about how broken this was is that we're trying to fix. >> And for the discipline item, what what

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is replaced there is two things which are a little different because if if you're only reviewing a case and then giving a findings, determinations, recommendations after the case has already been resolved, discipline's already been done by the chief, this is after the fact, right?

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Two things that are still possible and viable would be giving an opinion on the chief's application of discipline because there's a policy that says what discipline he can apply. >> Say did the chief apply that according to the policy. So that's one thing and

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then the second thing is the policy itself is we don't like you know this aspect of the policy doesn't speak well enough to this kind of um allegation or this kind of conduct. So there's still two powers that exist in there related to discipline. They're just retroactive.

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So the goal would be to influence all future situations, not necessarily the conduct of that specific officer. >> So I I got a question on that on policy. as far as uh that he's going by policy of what he

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need to do for recommendation on on whatever happens. Um when when they rewrite that policy or update that policy, do we always get a copy of that policy? >> We always have access to their Yeah.

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their policies and procedures. In fact, the whole manual is is online. uh not all of it. There are some that >> some of the parts that are Yeah, >> I think the discipline matrix is online. Um so they they have their their policies public but not all of them and the reason is certain ones are tactics

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related and other types of things >> because the reason I'm asking that because I've seen that policy and that policy have changed some >> it has >> since Oh yeah. >> So it's >> so that's something that's a prime policy for the board to look at. >> Yeah. Yep. That's Yeah. Uh you need to

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we need to stay up on top of that part. >> Yes. Yes. Mostly >> and the policies is that police departmentally determined by the chief. >> Yes. >> And his command staff. I mean they have input but he's the final that the city attorney's office would be directly.

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>> They always review it. >> They review it before it comes out to be a policy >> to be legal. Right. George. >> So um but that's what I'm saying. prior to the policy and him taking office or whatever have changed a lot. >> Yeah.

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>> And all from what I read from the old policy and the new policy they got out now. >> Okay. >> So, and and then like a lot of is not online that you that you can have access to and all but that's one thing that um we need to stay up on top of

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>> policies and procedures and the changes made there. >> Yeah. I want to throw that out there. >> Yeah. Absolutely right. >> That one, the discipline policy, and there's another one that is often the what is cited as when a complaint comes in, it's the like standards of conduct,

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which is a long policy, but it goes through like >> all the different conduct standards that are required of officers, right? So, typically when a complaint comes in, they'll pair the allegation to not typically, they always will pair the allegation to a policy violation. And so

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then that whatever that policy violation is then feeds into the discipline matrix and says hey it's this level of discipline based on a a kind of a spectrum of options that the chief can choose from if if the officer is found to have >> we just we just need to keep that keep

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that in mind with the policies and procedures uh with the department. Any other thoughts on the discipline? And then uh we're almost done because they get thankfully these slides get easier as they go. >> Clarification to board membership. So

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ultimately nothing changes about the board membership um ability except for one tiny little thing which is and based on the feedback we talked about what it does is it says hey city city residents are the priority um but county residents

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who have ties to the city are a good you know second level priority and then it creates this more of an exception that says if there are no applicants from those two pools the the city council can then look across all Virginia residents.

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It specifies that before it didn't specify that. So technically you could be in Alaska and be a board member if you could get here or some you know >> I don't um >> that's how you want to spend your time

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needs the business. Um, so it just clarifies that it it also changes the term lengths which would not affect anyone here. Um, because there's actually a statement in there that says it has no impact on current board members other than when you the the term

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comes up for reappoint. I don't want you to worry about that because trust me, the council will reappoint you if you can be reappointed. >> That's their baby. >> Yeah, they that that is like the highest priority first. Um unless you know you're jumping on the tables and stuff which I haven't seen yet.

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Um >> I did have if you could change that >> I did have a question about the clarifications board membership just when I was reading it a few days ago um it says priority will be given to city residents um is that regardless of all

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the considerations so if you have a city resident who's 18 years old and hasn't done anything in their life versus you know Philby who's a county resident um are Is priority given to the city city

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resident because the the um the ordinance or is that something that's within the council? >> It's to their discretion, Rory, and they still have to think it's a fit for that 18-year-old with no life experience. I mean, they are pretty picky about who they want on this board.

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>> So, so it got on. >> There's always a few outliers. It's not 18 years old. Do >> we need to reate this? >> But but I mean I think I think that um they would give priority to a county

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resident with good qualifications to someone with none who lived in the city because there are a lot people apply from the city that just never make the cut for whatever reason and we don't know what that we don't know what criteria they use. We just know that they're picky. >> There is a listed criteria. All right.

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My hope would be that when they implement this essentially city residency would be a tiebreaker if they're equally qualified all else being equal. >> Yeah, that was what I imagine, but it's not what the the rewrite said. So, just wanted to clarify.

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>> It's a good point. Um, and I I do think that the uh city attorney's office will have some additional revision recommendations because they've been trying to clean up some of this um for constitutional reasons because of how it clarifies things. But there is a list in

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there in the language that says um the city council shall seek to appoint members with a demonstrated commitment, community service, um who have training experience, lived experience, topics relevant to the business of the board, law, it lists a whole bunch of things. So it's just kind of trying to clarify

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like the goal is to have a diverse board which I think we do have and that's that's what we want is different perspectives from the community >> different backgrounds board we got now >> too much to get them >> Roy I would say that they council is

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going to use their own I mean not with regard to geography so much but everything else they're not going to take take orders from us let me put it that way I do like they do ask typically if basically if there's applicants they

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send them to me and it's more of like a hey flag any concerns kind of thing or like it's not really a recommendation. It's more like does anyone stand out or is there any concern kind of thing just let the council know they'll consider it

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you know it's up to them what to do with >> we do have input because we get a chance to look at those that is a full Um but yeah, it does it does the the term limit um or the changes the term to two years but gives it four consecutive. So it's the same amount of time really.

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Um well actually it's a little >> actually No, it's it's eight versus >> Yeah, it's more but it just helps a little bit of more turnover. And the way they have it staggered is half the terms I think end one year, half the other year. So, it's like you'll never have a time where it's like all eight. >> Hopefully, it won't be without a quorum

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ever again. >> Yeah, that's that's the goal. >> That's >> if you're ever thinking of resigning from the board, let me try to talk you out of it first. >> Give me some heads up. And Dr. Frasier, let's let us know what kind of what you

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need to be bribed with. >> What What food am I not providing? That's the What cookies do you need to bring? >> Please keep up the good work. we doing? I just start I'm so happy right now.

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>> And I'm I trust me, I get that like this these past couple months have been all about this and I am very happy to move on this chapter >> and do the like focus on the actual the work itself. >> We need this to pass to do the actual work.

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>> Why am we going to find ourselves, you know, six months down the line going >> what do we got? >> Why do we have this, you know, garbage, >> right? Well, I think I think the main thing is uh on Monday it's uh everybody showing up and uh >> Yep. >> Uh and I'm going to try my best

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>> raising their hands and saying yes, we're all on board. >> That's right. They might not want to see my hand coming up, but >> um >> so we on SOPs and >> Yep. And the rest of this stuff is very just prepuncttory. Like there was these

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other documents that are now consolidated into the ordinance. they spoke to how we accessed stuff from the police department and how monitoring of interviews was done just makes it more concrete in the actual city ordinance rather than some subsidiary document.

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Um, so I don't think there's any concern there and >> nothing very controversial remain slide just so you know. >> And those were documents that already been approved by city attorney's office. So they've already seen that language and I used their language. I just brought it in where it kind of made sense.

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>> The the mediation and alternative resolution thing. This was a very tiny little section at the bottom, but it was important because it said we could do something we can't do. Um, so I I kind of changed that. And I also added a little bit in there that reflected what I do on a daily basis. Um so I will let

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the board know right now that we potentially have a new complaint. I haven't been able to um person called me. Um I called them back. I did speak to them very briefly. They they weren't available at that time to continue talking. So they said they would call me

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later. I haven't heard back from them. So I need to try again um just one more time to see if if I can get them and see where that goes. So, it's potential, but sometimes when people call, they have sometimes they just are asking for clarification on something. It could be

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that they want to speak to somebody in the police department to get some more information and that it's not really a complaint. Sometimes it's just resolving a misunderstanding. Um, >> yeah. >> Yeah. Or that sometimes people just want to Yes. That that is very very true. I

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get that all the time about being the the chair of the legal regret for the NAACP and it's all the time people just call me and all. I said, "Well, I'm not attorney number one." So, if you got attorney, talk to your attorney. I I'm here to help you with your human rights

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stuff or whatever, but then I think they look for when they at that present time, they stay they mad and they want >> Yeah. >> whatever outlook they can get with anything like that. >> We get those too, too. But it's still valuable because what I what I often tell them is like, you know, if you want me to, I will I always document a call,

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but if you want me to, I'll document this in a way that reaches the board, even if it doesn't go to a complaint, but I never uh never can talk about not filing a complaint. It's more just that giving them trying to answer questions, giving them information about the

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process, what what does it mean to file a complaint, how does that work, that kind of stuff, and then asking them, do you want to do that? here's how we go ahead and move forward. So, um but sometimes you're right, they just want to share some information and that's all.

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>> Um and then the last two are just clarification accommodation process just lays out some parameters how how the board goes about doing that and then the definition section. So, they get simpler as they go thankfully. Um and then the

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next steps just talking about the council kind of where we are in the process. So this is what will be shown to them. >> Yeah. >> I I hope necess that we don't necessarily get into the deep levels especially like if I'm like you know I'm I might even if

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I am there I might just say hey if my phone goes off I'm out of here. >> Jeff you're up back you don't worry. I did create the one sheet that you talked about. >> You make I get that ASAP.

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>> Yeah, I finished it today so I can print it off for you before you leave and not as well. >> So, just want to open the floor for any questions, concerns, comments before we call the question. We're going to approve this as a board because I'd like to make sure everyone's

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been heard and that we can hopefully have easy about um about the proposal. I haven't taken this apart line by line, but I've looked at it enough so that I I'm happy to say that I feel pleased with what we have.

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>> Agree. >> I agree on that one. >> I'm still going to do my uh >> lot of little diligence over the weekend on the on the other part. So, I make sure. But, uh yeah, I think we headed the right direction and did good on Friday.

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>> Thank you. >> I mean, Dr. Frasier and I were meeting weekly about this, too. So we were trying to discuss these issues that >> then I go back behind the computer try to reflect it in words. >> I dream about this stuff.

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>> Let's go for it. Let's approve it. And >> you have thoughts, comments >> only that from the reading I've done, I'm very pleased with the the changes they've made. They seem practical, actionable. Um and I will I will not be able to be uh here on Monday. I'll be

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traveling. But uh I you know I want to say here no fully support this. It's great. >> We'll let council know that. Karen thoughts. >> I don't have anything to add. I think you guys did a bangup job especially with simplifying the language um

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shortening that language making it more clear. Um so I think you guys did a great job. >> Thank you. And we can we could still say like, you know, uh, in in your motion that we want to maybe still go back to the purpose statement or a couple other

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little areas like it. This really this vote, this motion is to say as it stands today, we know there's going to be some some legal review, council feedback, some other little things that come up, but we're happy with the general the broad approach >> knowing that it's not necessarily the

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final iteration. How? >> Yeah, I think it's great and I'd like to get on the record to tip my hat to James for doing such a good job with it. >> Yeah, you too. >> I think he did most of the writing on it, didn't he? But >> yeah,

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>> we talked about it, but James did the lifting. >> Yeah, I'm I'm tired of the writing. >> Work. >> Uh, well, I already told James that I appreciate the use of the Oxford comma. Thank you.

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somebody. Yes. Okay. You like that's the kind of stuff that >> for the record. >> Yes. It It takes so long to get all the like grammar Yes. >> the same throughout the document. I'm sure there's still areas that specific >> that's what I grew up doing, you know.

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>> Yes. I hate it. >> Not there. Uh but yeah, I think y'all did a great job. So, >> and uh Okay. So if there is no further discussion, uh I will entertain a motion that we um accept this understanding.

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It's not finished product, but we accept it in its current uh format to present to council or discuss with council on Monday. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> So I'll do >> right. Thank you so much. Well,

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okay. Good work, everybody. Um, all right, moving on. Uh, James, you have an update on the, uh, school resource officer or where? >> Yeah, I just wanted to see if the board wanted to talk about this anymore. We, you know, this is I put these at the end because I didn't know how long we were

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going to talk about the ordinance stuff. So, if um, you know, if it's going to be a hot topic, right? And so one of the things that I wanted to ask the board is is this something you want me to kind of

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break down and bring to you in in smaller formats. Not that I'm good at that because I talk too much. I know that. But I like making documents, you know, and visuals and things. So um yeah, >> one recommendation on that, >> please. Um,

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you have you decided to maybe want to invite uh a speaker like from the school board uh the superintendent >> and and get his uh recommendations what he how he feel about this the school

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resource officer. I think everybody ought to hear this. I've heard it once, but I'm not going to relay it. But I'm just saying that probably you might want to reach out to the to the school uh superintendent here in the city of Charlottville room. >> That could that could be a great

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approach. It could be with the bus kind of drafting a memo. >> I I just say just inviting as speaker one meetings and u >> I think that's a great idea. I think what we all need to just hear his um

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feedback on on this and on this because I've heard it. >> And George, could we include in that just from your perspective um sort of what he sees our role if any when this comes about. I mean because he he may have ideas about that or he may not even

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know what we do. >> Yeah. So that's that's one reason why I'm saying that you probably need to invite him here as a speaker. That's a great idea. or one of our meetings and uh and then we we always don't know how to do it, but you can all we can talk and ask some questions and

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>> and certainly after after Monday because then we're going to sort of be in a holding pattern on this while the attorneys do their thing. We would have some opportunities maybe to get him in here and >> especially with me with the baby, it's good to fill in the uh >> yeah, fill in the blank.

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Is there any other organized group that would have a leader or speaker type person should invite? >> I um I know they meet with him weekly on different things for the school what's going on in the school. Uh that

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was one of the topics that that came up. He came in as a speaker >> NAACP and that was one of the topics. I didn't pretty much comment on it much because I just wanted to hear. But I think as as this oversight board and and

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this is one of our topics on our on our agenda, >> uh I think that we need to have him come in and then we all get us a really good understanding and uh he's a very nice guy and uh uh he's a >> Yeah, I've not met him.

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I've read him twice, but uh yeah, I think that I think that's be be something that you all need to do. >> To your point, Mr. Fry, though, there we do have I I do have some direct connections that are part of that larger group that was at the work session. Um >> are you talking about community or you

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talking about school uh administration? >> Community members. Okay. Yeah. Uh when it comes to school administration, that would, you know, Dr. Gurley is the highest administrator, so he he would be the one to decide >> the person we'd want here. or somebody um but we could what I guess what maybe

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I don't know if this is your point is like making sure that those other groups are aware that we're talking about it if they want to I mean >> for public comment >> that's the point right >> partly that >> I'm pretty sure if you put it out there >> where the points of division are

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>> I'm just I'm just throwing that out there uh you can say if That'll be that'll be another thing that uh with the chief coming back. >> And um

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>> Wade also can speak a lot to that. He's the one that has been >> he's kind of been the layers off between the department and the school board. So >> that's what I'm saying. Just got to get this thing in the mix. Yeah. So that that'll put out everybody's mind to a a even clearer thing there that we all

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know what's going on or what's what's even in the making far as that go cuz me personally I think you ought to have them in there. >> Yeah. And so also I think what their expectations are for us and whether those are reasonable and is this something we want to take on in terms of

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>> Well, you got you got to realize one thing. If something happened in the school where if we had a resource officer in there, they still running under the city uh as a police officer, something happened and this person get in some type of trouble, it's going to

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come to us anyhow. So, we need to I mean, that's why we can start filling the blanks. >> Just thinking about that. Um where we might something we might want to ask the

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school superintendent is if we can have access to school uh not you know not student records stuff but like school cameras things like that. Just thinking about um reviewing cases. If it's in a if it's in a school building we'll have

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the we will automatically because of the ordinance like have access to their their body cams and so on or their their dash Yeah, whatever. But it would it might be it might be >> worth looking at whether the schools would be able to offer that.

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>> Those are the kinds of questions I think you want to raise. Good one. Good one. >> I'll say good child protection be nightmarishly complicated. You know, >> the benefit of this board is that you do have the legal kind of protections to do that kind of stuff. Now,

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the recent state law change actually allows for more access in specifically in close session to juvenile records um your specific situations. So, it's yeah, it's like that's like more of like a bridge to cross when we get there. But, I think to your you mentioned it

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earlier um is that >> the police if they're doing an investigation, they might already have that as part of their investigative file. >> Yeah. Which >> kind of backdoors us into the access. um in a way, but the juvenile piece is a is a key component that is always a

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concern, you know. Um >> do you know if they've uh hired anybody for that position? >> They there are uh candidates >> candidates. Yeah, I'll say yeah, there are candidates that are, you know, the process is ongoing right now. So I don't

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until I have a clear update on that from the chief I you know >> and this may be getting into too much detail but and are these candidates internal like already existing as CPD officers who would then move into that role or are they hiring you know for

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someone to join CBD to open it was open outside the department which did not pre preclude CPD officers from applying but they threw a wide net statewide I I think the the have to be sworn already. Yeah, they can't be some

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>> They can't be a a nonsworn or a what do they call those? >> CSO. >> CSOS. Yeah, they can't. >> And are they only hiring two, one for each school or they hire backup person? So, if that person is sick, then it's just nobody going to be at the >> I mean, I don't know. >> That's a good question. >> That is a good question. That

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>> is a really good question. I don't know what the plan is on that. I don't know if I saw anything about that in the s in theou like what about summer school? Are they going to be there for summer school? >> Yeah, those are good questions. I don't know the answer to >> that's why having them come and ask

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those questions. But I'll make a note of that one. >> Yeah. >> Right. because that what I what I remember happening in in my school district was or that I was in uh the high school, middle school, and when one of them wasn't there, the other one had to kind

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of go back and forth. Now, in Prince Edward, that's the same campus, so it was so easy. >> Yeah. Well, >> back when I was a a dare officer and uh um I had uh high school and uh junior

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high and at the elementary person that day, >> you had to run back covered that too, >> you know. So, and then if you had programs that kind of all put put it together. Yeah. And see, this is I'm saying that it's different now than it

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used to be because as a DARE officer, you used to have almost like teaching a class day in and day out cuz you got to have a a lesson lesson plan and the principal want to see your lesson plan. >> Wow. >> So, but

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I don't know. I mean I think the whole thing in a nutshell I guess that people uh they're having some type of security in the school now more or less. Do anybody want you to say something to

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the child? No. Child step out of line. The child get this uh orderly. who's gonna who's gonna bring them to to an area that they can keep them to whatever they got to do.

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So, and you know, that's why I said that's why Dr. Gio be here to answer those questions and uh see and see exactly where he's coming from. >> Good idea to extend that. So, um and I unless anyone else has something else, I

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was just going to mention the next two meetings. So June 11th I believe is the next meeting is very likely I will not be here >> so trying to kind of set up for that. Um we already have some kind of a tenative

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agenda with the chief here. Um and some other people from the police department providing a overview to the board on the technology technology systems. >> I'm sorry I just had >> Oh yes other I got you. I had to turn that off cuz I

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>> put your name on there on that Zoom. >> Yeah, they they see me there. That's all that's all matters. >> The uh the chief will be here to present the technology the department kind of go through the systems and give the board the opportunity to ask questions about

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all that kind of stuff. Um and some other systems that they want to like look into move forward with >> including force matrix is that >> force metrics is a specific type of data system. Yep. Um, and so I think and I'll

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just tell you flat out the goal is to get some buy in from the board about what are we trying to do? What is the, you know, 21st century, it's the year 2026, what does that look like in policing? Where are the community concerns? But your role is to really

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evaluate and question it. And I think from the last time the chief was here, this board is really good at asking questions. >> Yes, we are. I didn't get your daughter in here to >> so then did you also have uh a comment about the July meeting?

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>> Well, the July meeting could be where we try to do >> Dr. Gurley here. >> I know July is a really slow month, but if if it if it works for people, yeah, >> maybe not everybody's here. It could, you know, I know there's vacations happening. Sometimes the board is canceled. >> Let's shoot for that. Let's let's you and I invite him. Yeah. For that,

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>> John, I got to look at my schedule. Oh. Um, next month, June. >> Yeah, I think it's June. >> I'm I won't be here. >> Okay. >> Um, yeah, I'm I I'll be out of town. >> Okay. >> But I'll be gone for two weeks. So, um, just to give you a heads up.

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>> All right. >> On that, >> if you want to write them down, it's June 11th and July 9th. >> Yeah, I already have them. >> June 11th and July 9th. >> And I trust me, we we're pretty used to in the summertime, you know, people are

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doing stuff. I can get it. So, um, I won't be doing anything except for >> getting enough sleep. You'll be fine. You'll be plenty busy. >> I'll be doing a lot, just not in a lot of places. >> Um, all right.

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>> Okay. I know uh, Mr. Lefay needs to leave. And do you need to leave as well, George, for your meeting? >> Oh, I I'm already on my so I just I just sound it so they long as they see my name on there. That's the main thing. >> Did you have anything on um work plan?

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>> I I just wanted to kind of hit just no no deep discussion. Just mention, hey, if there's community events that you want us to get to. I know we talked about healthy streets, healthy people. I was just concerned because like that would require the board to step up because I'm not going to be able to do it. So, but we can get you in the

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office, get the stuff, get there to the place in your own, great, you know, but I can't facilitate this one. But looking more into the kind of later summer and early fall, a lot of events, if there's ones that you want to highlight, we need to figure out who's in charge of them and what we need to do to register to be

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there and what we should bring. Like that is the kind of things I do have some already. >> I was going to say if you have a a directory or a list, then you don't have tonight, but send it out and we'll we'll look at >> um because definitely some good back to school boards, a lot of families we could talk to and stuff like that. Um we

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talked about the second item already, policies most relevant to the board. where we took discipline policy and then the internal process is just saying that's stuff that's just going to be ongoing building out things like the review manual, the audit manual, things that actually get down into the

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nitty-gritty details, but um that's all. So, >> all right, second public comment period. Remy, we got anybody? >> Still three participants. One, two, three. Any other board business before me? We'll entertain a motion for

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adjournment. >> Just one. >> Yes. >> About reaching out to neighborhood association leaders and maybe I've missed that. Are we are we doing that still or where are we? >> I mean, yeah, I mean it's still on still on the agenda.

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>> Can I comment on that? >> Yes. I gota be front to say that because I am the chairperson Charles housing. Um, I got a thing getting ready to come up real soon and uh with home owners

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associations here in Jones. Looks like u you um over on >> 10th and page is >> and um uh the uh first street matter of fact that's going to be I have a state person my state chairperson is coming in

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from from Richmond and I have Virginia housing chairperson is coming also. What date is that? >> I I don't know yet because uh I can't say it while we on record who I got my contact is. But uh soon as I I I'll have

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this date ready, I'll let you know. >> You I think you ought to be there. >> Talk to people, right? >> We u Well, actually, it's going to try we're going to try to have some kind of a meeting somewhere that people can come in almost like we did at Jefferson.

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>> Okay. That's what I'm trying to do. >> Okay. >> So, uh, yeah, be more than happy to have everybody. It's I'm excited really because I've been working on this for over a year or better trying to get this thing going. So, things are falling

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better. And then also with this thing for the um the homeless people down here at at the bridge >> at the bridge. >> All that's >> it's coming. It's coming in. So >> that was the work session from council yesterday.

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>> I looked at looked at a little that last night. So yeah, >> I don't know how relevant this is to our work with the shelter, the land they bought over there by >> Holiday Drive, I think. >> Uh I I have no idea where that going or

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is that going or what? >> Oh, there's a >> had a work session about it just the other day. So if you want to review that, they got into some of the weeds on it. >> Okay. The uh my thing on that we'll cut this run short. Um but they have a building there that I think they going but it's not enough that's not building

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not enough for >> the house all these people that's is homeless. >> So I mean >> Salvation Army just is seeking funding to double their capacity to 110 beds but it's going to remain a higher shelter meaning if you use substance abuser

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they're not going to let you in. And this one on Premier Drive or whatever it is is going to be a low barrier shelter, but it's only 55 beds, I believe. So, it's still not gonna >> It's worth a watch on YouTube. >> Yeah, it is worth a watch. >> Coalition's last estimate of the local

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population of homeless. >> Two, >> you know, I don't know that number, Andrew. >> Like 250s, 40s, 50s, >> 240 50 kind of thing. >> That's in that range. >> And it's always grows in the summer obviously, you know,

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come this way. And you know the the the grape the homeless grape vine is Charles was a good place to land if you don't have housing. >> Yeah because there's a lot of sports. So it's a mixed bag. >> It's good for the folks that are here but it depends on folks.

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>> Is that just a place to sleep or is it hours to the new place just >> Oh it's everything. I mean it's >> food. >> I don't know about cafeteria but it's going to have staff. It's going to have showers lockers bedding. It's going to be the the whole nine yards, but you know, it's 55 beds.

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It's not >> And you got more than 55 people staying down the river. >> So they they had that little campfire. I was >> a fire the other day. Yeah. There was a fire >> they call the second one second one they've had. >> Work session is really really good for

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watching. >> Do you know whether or not the shelter um only houses men? Do they house families? I think it's only as as individuals >> singles. Now, Salvation Army used to have family as family accommodations. I don't know if they still >> Andy. Yeah, I was there. It was It's

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awful. >> Is it? >> It's awful. >> Salvation Army. >> Mhm. >> I don't know about family. I thought they had mother and child. >> Okay. Mability, but not necessarily dad would get shunted off into the men section. sexually.

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>> One of the one of the barriers in in u being unhoused and going into these organizations is um you really don't have a voice. They shut down during the day. So if you're sick, if you're not feeling well, you still have to get out >> um during the day and um there are a lot

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of single mothers and single fathers who have mixedgender children and oftent time those children are separated, the boys and the girls. The boys were upstairs, the girls were downstairs. But um you want to keep your family close to you because you don't know who they are. But I was just curious about that. Um

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cuz that is a really significant boundary. Um >> sure is. >> Well, there's plenty of opportunity to get involved um in that whole realm. There's a lot of organizations doing that work. Speaking of council about it's it's a it's a huge

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>> Well, I tell you with all the building they doing is supposed to be low income. >> Yeah. Right. >> Now, typically nobody on the street homeless, >> right? >> Because you got Birk Street, Garrett Street, uh

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>> West Haven's going to be redone density. >> So, you got to figure out where all those people going that in West Haven. Instead, they doing it in sections and moving people then not doing it that way. They kicking everybody out and do like they did First Street. So,

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>> that's right. >> All right. Can I uh have a motion to adjourn? >> I'll second it. >> Okay. All in favor? Thanks everyone. Appreciate it. Hope to see you Monday. >> Uh if you have thoughts before then, let me know that they don't know if he's still here.

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>> Yeah, I will. I'll let you I'll let you know. >> He's not here. The store may be here in his place. >> I'm on a final countdown. >> That's right. >> Being a child free. >> Better watch out.