e e e W that was mean I know I'm sure I I realize I see you more good evening um and welcome to the chasa city council meeting for Monday
February 24th I call this meeting to order at 7 o'clock will everyone please rise for the Pledge of Allegiance II to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God
indivisible with li justice for all all right all right here here here here all right next we have the adoption of the agenda does anybody have any additions or
Corrections on the agenda at all otherwise I'll entertain a motion motion to all right we have a motion from council member Benish and a second from council member chevin um any discussion otherwise all those in favor
say I I I oppos same sign all right adoption of the agenda okay next we have visitor presentations we have uh few already on the uh uh agenda here and so we'll start with the recognition of Team
gensel yeah but for this we're gonna yeah for this we're going to bring up Jeff and Marshall to uh sort of start things up here oh just just Marshall okay oh sh there all right good evening mayor and Council Marshall range the Parks and
Recreation director and super excited to be here tonight to recognize and celebrate uh Team gel we got three of the four players here tonight Mason will and Leon missing is
their teammate Jackson but along with them is their parents as well so I want to really just recognize them back in on January 12th they won the USA curling U National Championship very
cool this took place in Rock Creek curling which is outside of Denver Colorado and it was actually their second uh U u8 National Championship that they B so they had really early success out the gate they won it back in
2018 and then I think this was the final year you can compete at this level U you do have more okay so we might get a TR eventually but just a great accomplishment uh it's really neat to
see you know these kids start out um you know just a handful of years ago in the Juniors program you know just with an interest and a curiosity to learn to curl at our facility here in chasa and
now seeing him compete and win on the national stage and really kind of representing Chasco um in the sport curing so I just think it's a remarkable accomplishment big kudos to uh all the players the
coaches and the parents um for everything that went in so with that I'd like to invite them on up and I told that it is required for you to each speak a little bit I have a question while you're
coming up how did you name the team um so it kind of goes by the like skip of the team so I'm skip um and so like the national level and stuff like that but it goes by all like the
skips oh that's cool I well well don't all jump on the opportunity all at once why don't you start by introducing yourself yes please we love introduction I'm oh
okay we start the same time so how old were you guys when you started do you remember I was probably like n n okay all right is this a recognized sport in the high school now so it's like a sport okay so there is like a
high school but there was like a few years out of that yeah okay so how was what was how was the championship was it like was it were all the teams hard was it easy what was the experience like for you um it was there
it's National so there there's a lot of really good students there um last last year two of like one be like we two really good teams out AR over 18 now so we'll still see that 21 Nationals but they have aged out
there's still a lot of good other teams so yeah okay we're also probably like the oldest on there Advantage for us competition level in the Midwest and both strong parts of the country so coming with a little more
experience had level of s that makes sense so that that led me to my next question was yeah what's next after you guys do so you age up to just another level and continue on yeah so there's
21 so we're still trying to qualify for1 National so will we be seeing any of you maybe in the Olympics maybe anything's possible yeah very cool well that is how so how many hours do
you spend practicing like a week um it kind of varies um we're all in like different League nights just um uh we all play together on Thursday nights and then um we're all in our like I play
with my dad stuff like that and then we kind practicing then if we have a tournament in the weekend we're curing there otherwise youour usually practice at least one Day weekend sometimes more TR to get
out do you guys have to do any sort of like cardio or weight training regimens who is part of it yeah yeah we do we all spend enough time in the gym sure wow I have a question what kind of yeah um so you know hockey players say there's not
enough ice for the demand um is there now with the curling Center locally here is there enough ice time or is that also a concern for you I think it's like a big demand because like there's so many curers so that makes it a little tougher
but I think there's F time oh there is okay good I was say do we need to set aside like a special time for up and comings yeah is your is the club pretty how many kids are part of the the club as a whole like for the school uh
there's a they have a a large Junior program which is like um like younger kids and then there's a high school program called Subzero which is like sth grade now and that's like for more experienced players have junors okay and
there's probably 20 something kids 20 to 25 kids are in subzero oh pretty good amount yeah so uh uh Rober our planing commission chair who is sitting in the back uh during our work session so his kids are in that in the Subzero program
so do you guys like help teach the the younger ones at all or coach them as they kind of come up yeah cool and then I'm guessing it men and women play on separate leagues is there is a partnership with girls as
well yeah there's Mi which me and play okay and I got second um21 Junior Nationals this Prett Co there's there's like separate Nationals there's like the med Division and then
also the girls division so there's both sides and then one oh they did so we have a good showing on both genders good wonderful I just want to say I think winning a national championship at anything is super difficult and this is awesome for you
guys I expect nothing but awesome thing for you guys in the future do we have a display case over at the event center for their trophies well they they're going to be they're good that's a good segue into what's coming next oh all
right so this is sort of a tradition in the curling world uh if you go to curling clubs you'll see banners oh yeah hanging up of different Champion sure like in gymnasiums yeah oh cool oh look it's got your guys'
names can you guys turn around and face us with it so I can get a picture for our or is somebody is there someone doing pictures I'll do it that's cute cool and parents if you want to come up and get back yeah why don't you guys come stand right here with can you come on this side so we not
have the TV in the actually why don't we why don't you get uh maybe in front of the council here and maybe [Laughter] [Music]
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congrats all right fun way to start off okay 5B Beyond New Beginnings come on up you should I saw them in the packet and actually uh on our we updated in the
in the packet online it should have the attach for their pres yeah yeah well while we're pulling all that fun stuff up you want to introduce yourself sure I know what am I be pushing for oh um you can always just
say next slide and ciss it in the back will okay hold on so not talk um no don't talk yet well introduce yourself I know or introduce the folks that are here for Beyond New Beginnings
maybe hi I'm Jill Angus Wick and I'm with the Beyond New Beginnings program which is Supportive Housing for young moms and their children in chasa and Molly qum is with me and she's our executive director she'll be following up by comments with their own comments
our program is I'll tell you a little bit of the history of it there's a program called New Beginnings which is a high school program for prant parenting teens to finish their high school diploma while getting support in parenting child development class academics and other areas of Health that
they need and I worked there for many years and we always wish there was a home a place we could have some of the moms who would finish the program but still needed additional support after high school so we go back to some unhealthy relationships or situations
for housing and um we got this idea that we would like to have a place like that in chasa and we started talking to people like you and say what do you think what do thinking pretty soon the CBA the Community Development agency said we have a place we've bought
downtown chasa that might be a bit for your program if you want to run your program there we'll take care of the leases and the maintenance and and then they said and by the way we built in 1870 yeah I don't think so but anyway it's perfect it's four two bedroom
apartments and a big community space for Monday night dinners and programming and child care and it turned out to be just the miracle that it's all working out and we're so happy um that Chas has been so supportive the church has been supportive volunteers we have volunteers come provide meals for us provide child
care um to be mentors for our moms and nothing negative everybody is a winner in this situation so um are there pictures up there that I found how about just go to the next picture so we don't want moms and the
kids living in vicious Psy of poverty at risk of homelessness so the rule is to eliminate the homelessness by providing safe secure housing and they have a program that's called um a voucher program where they can pay 30% of their income for
rents so it makes it affordable for whatever situation is okay next slide and our main goal is to provide a loving Foundation we're there mostly to just provide guidance nurturing something that maybe some of the aren't
getting at in their own lives so we have the resources and we have the uh teachers who come in and talk about parenting and budgeting and how you apply for college and where do you get your kids in m to school and where the best child care so we're just there to provide support and really encouragement
that's our main so sport strategies for overcoming poverty and housing and stability for young moms and kids stable housing which we provide mentoring and Co coaching which we provided with that volunteers from the community a cross generational
Focus so we have the kids and the moms and our child care providers and anybody who's an extended family and education and job training so we have moms who have started our programs and are going into fields that we as a community will benefit from someone going into law
enforcement someone going into education someone going into social work those kinds of jobs that they just got their confidence up like I get for year degree I to get this degree and follow up so we're really proud of them not everybody gets a great out ending like that but we
have many moms who have and um we're proud of the work they're doing on parenting and moving on with their lives next slide so Monday night itcap from our Monday night U magic which is sometimes
kind of crazy all the kids are there and the moms are there and their classes they all in the building at once trying to be uh productive but that's when the moms get to connect with each other Provide support for each other and we have people coming in to do those lessons at classes that I talked about
financial literacy nutrition mental health is a big part of it so um we provide that as well next slide impact 75% of our families are self-sufficient programs completion 90% of our program graduates are self-sufficient from after few years so
they usually live there one year to two years years depending on how they're doing program and then another person can come in when they're done and they can take this voucher for 30% of the income go to another housing developments where they won't have support that they had with us that they're welcome to come back so right now we have a lot of alumni who come
back on Monday nights just for connetion and education thank you with the milk that was donated by one of our churches here CH a wonderful thank you thanks Jo Madam mayor council my name is
Molly quck I'm the executive director of be beginnings and uh we wanted to have Jill just give a little bit of currently what what is going on with BS she does such a great job and um she is actually
the reason why some of the moms are succeeding she encourages them that they actually can go on to college we have five moms right now again who's F saying Isam there but that have enrolled in um Community College so we are we can point
to the success Jill and I are real big on saying we are not about sympathy we don't take some we are uh the moms that come to us are inspirational and motivational it's a great program and um just quickly but Monday nights are crazy at our site there we have the building
that Jill talked about and there are so many people in there that Jill actually mov us out that we're done know need to be here anymore we need but just to give you a little bit of an idea um Rob rki is here from Community
Asset Foundation he's going to make just a few brief remarks too but we have um opportunity to grow we have an opportunity for a second P Flex in downtown chesa so and we have a family
we know the need fa there's more need serve right now and so there is work underway we'll be coming back to Fort council with Concept appr plan hopefully shortly but um maybe if we just have Bob talk about Community Asset foundation
and give an idea on CH thank you m thanks Molly good evening mayor council and welcome to the new council members and new mayor congratulations um it's good to be here
um just a little background Community Asset Foundation um we sat Dave Corney really started the organization Community Asset Development Group uh and we got together on this and
uh and when we were sitting in the chairs you're sitting in developers often came to us and um tried to sell us on why their ideas were were good for the city they didn't really ask us you know what we needed we thought it would be a novel
idea to go out and talk to small town across Minnesota and find out what are the needs in The Bu Wood housing was a need and we said well what can we do help me need help and we formed this Foundation
we five number board of directors uh local people that make up the board and uh we've gone out and we have H with five as if the living buildings we built in in small towns across the state and
and one of the things that we said that part of our mission was you know as these are profitable and do well uh how can we um take that profit and come back in our home community and and address
needs and issues that exist um so um one of the things that you see is growing issues and homelessness hunger and at the top of all us uh that U we find and
and in our own Community as you're well aware one the projects that we were able to get behind and do complet the West Creek Apartment project that uh addressed young adult homelessness 18 to
29 year olds uh built 19 units of uh to address that need and it's it's doing very well and and like anything it takes partners ship takes collaboration it takes working together and um you can
get projects like that uh done when you have that commitment to work together to address the needs of your community and and this is another example of uh of addressing a need um again young single
moms um that don't have stability in their life that are facing homelessness have address that live with that and how can they further their education um New Beginnings has been around for quite a while remember going to
fundraising uh events that they were raising money for and the stories you heard from young single moms uh that went through this program had supported the community and what they were be a went on and got their
education and ended up in in productive and contributing lives and success of their life after facing you know a lot of probably they didn't have much hope and they're looking to their future with not much possibility or
potential and and this program the beginnings allowed them to get that education and Achieve success it's an amazing experience in now housing and what these folks are doing with beyond the beginnings was a pretty easy decision to say well how can
we help in terms of adding housing and in your um in your pack I'm sure you have this handout and it talks about that you know one of 18 children on the age of six experience family homelessness uh each year in the United
States and in any given night in Minnesota almost 3,000 Children of the parents are homeless I mean it's a real issue and uh so we really are pleased to be a partner up with beyond the beginnings and we're making such a
difference in in the lives of these people look at building a 1.1 million to U Finance this this home of four two-bedroom units each with separate entrances to their to their homes and uh
allow them to have the that stability of their own home and uh so excited to be able to do that to find thing was laid out in the packet there um Foundation is contributing
80,000 a little bit of a mortgage but the land is being donated see the amount there car County CBA is involved in providing Grand uh city is if talk about this a bit but contributing some dollars
to support the project and what's unique is that in St Paul legislature in terms of providing incentive for affordable housing is uh identified I think set aside 9 million or so to to support
provide a tax credit so if if as an example you contributed to this project because it's horrible housing project you say it was a $10,000 contribution you get an 85% tax credit on your next
tax F that's pretty amazing and we have looking to raise $300,000 to support this project and and believe that we'll be able to do that um there's people there's a lot of interest in Lo this to participate in the program
but again it's U it's a collaboration it's a matter of working together and that's one thing our community your community does through the well and the fact part of reced opportunity for all of this to work together and get this
project done we're excited it's going to be a wonderful Edition it's going to look great see the pictures here so we're really excited to be part of this so thanks a lot wonderful go ahead I was just gonna say does anybody have questions or comments
at all for Bob or Molly or um maybe more Molly and Jill but thank you it's been really interesting and fun to watch the journey I remember my first couple meetings with Ross and gel back in Caribou where they just told me about
the building and tended to watch it kind of everything you've grown through Hing executive director adding the fence just like all of the exciting things and I think what's so meaningful about this and even the additional home is that it's all done in the community and that
coming together and saying can't you don't have to do it alone you can do it together and how much value that adds to their journey and what they get to go do and then even with that teaches them is that you know you're not alone in the world you can do anything you have a whole Community around you and how
important that is and then the giving back like you guys mentioned you know going to school and giving back to the community and so it's just been really fun to watch your guys' journey congratulations on the grant announcement today and also the human rights award earlier this year so just a
lot of exciting things that I'm just really enjoy watching your journey and this is the next exciting thing um and I'm just so grateful you guys are in our community we're very lucky to have you and uh just great work thank you thank you Council um yeah we're pretty excited
too so and I think the the thing about our program is that so many people can relate to it in all of the meetings that we have in one on ones and people come up to Jill and come up to me and they say this was in my family this was our neighbor this was our niece we wish
there would have been something like this for them and so yeah we on the right track thank you for your kind words and Russ are quite the team so it's lot of energy I have a question for you does your program predominantly help people in cha Carver County or metrowide
or Statewide even or thank you for the question we do primarily U the metro area primarily Scott And and harbor U but we're not limited to it's Case by case we be Dakota right whatever it is
depend but basically right now it's SC p and we have had a lot of inquiries um in they want to replicate what we're doing here in our County so there's that that is exciting do you have additional homes besides the one inas of
for this Foundation no don't no one okay and then um I might have missed it but where was this new building proposed to be placed the um we don't have the site no you don't have the site okay it is
local okay that I have the right I Bob oh okay that's a question for Bob then it most likely would be on the site on El Road okay the site will be donated yeah no I I Echo what council member
Hatfield said it's great to have these things in the community available to you know young moms or struggling single parents I was a child of a single parent that to have this kind of support is amazing so I mean I yeah I Echo the same
comments I your program is life transforming generationally you think about the the mother's lives changing and you think about the kids and being having those wraparound
services and that wraparound support that is imperative to the success moving forward for their lives and it's just Monumental so I really I know there's a lot of work involved you guys have worked so hard you've been all in
invested I really appreciate you guys being a part of chasa appreciate their moms and their children being a part of chasa um and I'm excited to see the future for this program and congratulations on the Grant I don't know if you wanted to say anything about
it while you're up here or yeah so um WCA Foundation is a part of it's a signature fund through Minnesota C Paul Foundation um they approached us which is always an interesting thing they
approached us two years ago and asked us to apply for a grant and we did and they and they gave us a small Grant and then they picked off a pilot project to fund six
nonprofits for two years so second year of that but we were selected again they came to us based on us um really they been just a wonderful Mentor because we're small We're Young um they've been wonderful and the fact
that they see the potential and that's a very big organization and they can see the potential in what we're doing so yeah really l in amazing thank you guys so much something I was going to mention our opportunity to really get involved
comes from if you remember we get now dollars from the state uh through our wide sales tax and we get about $120,000 a year um quite frankly
$120,000 a year doesn't even really allow us to even go out and do like anything real substantial um but by taking a couple of our allocations which we haven't used them for you know in a project like this we could put that towards it and support
for affordable housing units where if we took the dollars otherwise we'd be just supporting one and so you know we're really sort of quadrupling our our impact by partnering up on projects like this that's the opportunity yeah and I
think that that's a strong show too that we're all partnering and collaborating together that everyone has a shared goal in this um whether that be the city or the the county at the CDA and then your organization as well and Community Community Asset group I think that's
imperative that just shows a singular Vision working together so thank you wonderful thank you you guys know how to start a night off and leing off celebration of success and hope and possibility Mar Marshall's
got a banner for you now yeah yeah come on up we'll take your picture a ban that some good ideas thank you guys so much thank you have a good night yeah you do all right well moving right along to our next one
on the agenda here uh 5c update on Southwest chasa Community Park process that brings Marshall back up to the podium GL we could coordinate this for you in one night all right
[Music] it's a great Park out there now I got good SL big sledding hills oh yeah and a bunch of dirt that they can all drag through their houses bunch of dirt good stuff nice and muddy right oh yeah good stuff all right um so yes glad to be
here to give an update on the Southwest CH Park after plan really just kind of checking in to let you know kind of what we've been to the last couple months and share with you some of the exciting plans that kind of started marking on
the commity engagement phase of the process and then see what questions afterwards so here this opening slide is a nice picture um taken from your own footage of the site this would be kind
of in the Southeast Corner looking Northwest maybe a s of the farm site I see my house you do last fall we went through a pretty comprehensive RP um
process um to select a a consultant to work with on this project which resulted in Confluence so their landscape architecture Urban Design planning on move and so we've been working with them
the past few months the prim you can see their their team primary team members will be working with up to this point a lot of the project manager and confluence's primary role is going to be Community
engagement um developing the concept the concepts putting together the plan report the master plan along with the implementation plan going forward and then um they're utilizing a couple of subc Consultants to help out of the
project as well so we have Pros Consulting they're a national parks and recreation valuation group out of Indianapolis and we're utilizing them we done a market analysis which I'll talk about in a couple more slides a little
bit more and then also working with Stant as the lead engineering company for Engineering Services and cost designation um and then on the staff side uh the project management team
includes Ashley collie our city planner Matt Clark City Engineers myself Brian Jung Public Works director Aaron link our Recreation and program and events manager and then n c Our Community Development gr um so this is the group
of staff that is meeting with Confluence uh on a regular basis we've been meeting every other week um for the last couple of months now to Star to develop context for the project and then the Chasta Parks and Recreation Commission will be
serving as the task force throughout this project um so be working hand in hand with them along with the Consultant Group um and then they will ultimately be bringing their final W invation back to un
Council um for final the final preferred concept plan so here's the a slide depicting the general planning process um that we'll be going through um right now we're currently in the explore phase um which we'll be spending the
majority of this spring on and that's really kind of um evaluating data evaluating um the site um conditions and then working towards the the community engagement to start developing those
Concepts and that's what I'll be um talking a little bit more on the upcoming slides um but then kind of going forward in the summer we'll kind of evaluate those Concepts start to refine them down to a preferred plan and then the goal will be sometime in the
fall most likely to come back with a final recommendation and then from there that would trigger uh 2026 ideally going out to did and potentially looking at starting the deg grading of s
so a little bit about what we know so far um so this this park site is classified as a community park um you know and so when we go about this planning process we like to put it in context with the entire park system here in
ch um what we know to that's going to be going into the um into this future Community Park is a miracle Le um field so if you're not aware of that that's
a baseball field that's designed that way for people of all abilities to be able to have access and play the game um we plan to include a destination sized playground that would be adjacent to that um Miracle leag field a park
shelter building will be incorporated into the site um and then really kind of thinking about the entire park you Universal Dev so that's going to be a keep moment of theing process really take a lot of Pride and
kind thinking about how this park can meet the needs for all abilities and all ages and not only with mirac League field and playground but thinking about what they and their families can
access rest is a destination playground similar to that of like firemen or what's what's a destination it's more based on size so it's a larger playground you know so really meaning that it will attract
likely attract people from afar okay so not only chasa in the community but we will likely see people like Harver and Victoria one yeah okay a good example of a recent destination playground was city of Bonia
had a universal playground that they installed in their community and um it's sort of on the south side of of town in one of the residential development areas but it's one that is sized uh and designed in a way that it
attracts people from more than just uh Bonia okay there's people that our family drives over there so I mean that's so it's not like fire BS it's going to be different than probably bigger okay because I know a lot of people now
we're in that young kid family playground park type Age and and lots of people come to fireman lots of people meet there from surrounding communities because it is you know Central and then you've got the picnic stand pizza and ice cream and yeah walk around the
trails and whatnot so and that's kind of what this park will be you know a community sized Park so you know when we go through our engagement process we're going to be looking at the entire community that not only will it serve the you know the neighborhoods that Sur
but also the enre um the site also calls for a future Elementary School that'll be in the southwest corner of the site and then adjacent on the southern
border of the park site is a about 40 acre remnant of bigwoods that U City staff are actively working to preserve um which will be um sort of extension of the park if you
will Marshall remind me again um the school I know the school district owns the land is that land physically just for the building and like playground for the school not even the playground not just the building okay because I was just curious because right sometimes
like I couldn't remember because sometimes schools build schools and stuff around the school right playgrounds ballparks stuff like that so I just couldn't remember how this fil filtered in so yeah they have the property for physically the building our
agreement I don't know if that's the right word or not or was to we would program and own the rest of the space that they potentially could utilize yeah in a partnership but will the playground then be open all day to everybody else or would that be just school so that's
that's part of the discussion that we're having with them now is whether we need to have a playground that serves just the schools because one of the challenges we've run into in like Community Park is that you know you'll have younger kids that want to go to the park during the daytime and the school
doesn't want the kids out there too confusing yeah so um so that's part of the discussion that we're having with the school district now and and also just understanding what they sort of view that site to be in the future you know how big of Elementary School are
they going to have um we want to understand what kind of storm water needs they're going to have so that we don't allow all the area out there to develop without them having enough area to be able to accommodate their storm water needs and all that so they're they're going to be a big part of of the
discussions here is to make sure that we're coming up with the right program for it thank you um and then what we know about utilities there's been a lot of analysis already completed by
stantech um you know generally looking at ra out there and where the water wants to go planning for the size and location of the future storm water know that the soil out
there all hey h my trees trying to grow over there yeah ample Water and Sewer connections available um you know so that that'll provide a lot of flexibility as we plan the park and then
Stant is put together kind of generally operating understand the opportunity I think you can sort of see on this maybe a little bit different than that opening slide that I showed the aial it looked pretty flat the
reality is this site is not flat U there's actually about a 40 to 50 um fo grade oh wow so it's generally flat kind of on the Northern end of the park then you can see the Contour L here where really kind
ofs down towards s which provides challenges but also some cool opportunity um here's kind of a neat depiction that confence is put together to sort of start to kind of make more
sense of the site um where you can see generally where the flat areas exist um within the park site um where that Ste slope lies there's a couple of neat um I
say maybe fingers coming out here where there's just exceptional views of the Minnesota River Valley so I think it be fun to see what opportunities exist there that take those um again the Big Woods to the
South is just natural resource um is an extension of this park site U there's a lot of great connectivity to the neighborhoods around this partk so literally it'll be surrounded by neighborhoods all the way around except for the sou over
time and then the overall size is 50 plus seems huge I just can't picture which is a good question because the whisper was that seems huge I just can't picture it I've heard this before so let's just reference again compared to Miller's Park in Prairie what is that
comparison right because that to me is a huge that's a huge Park huge Park do you have a like do we know I think I've heard numbers I one off of 212 right yeah okay it's actually a five yeah heard pretty similar yeah that's
kind of what I've heard before that it's actually similar size which when people hear that they're like whoa right because that feels now that's I feel like that's linear longer like in it and narrow versus wide right it's got good ball fields and a splash
pad it's a big place Shady o is another one that's similar to that off cities West 50 50 plus AC that's big that's what I was saying I just can't quite picture this PL
land blinds or in the view section through Ste connected from yeah we did have a resident that was very I'm advocating his of
outo outdoor pools or lakes that are clean not Lake clayhole let's see here so kind out of the uh exploration phase so again Pros Consulting they're performing the market analysis so we've provided them quite a
bit of detailed information about our existing part system what all the amenities uh that already exist within our system provide them with information from the school district and the different amenities that they have I've
shared with them um the parts and amenities that exist with all of our bordering cities along with their future count plans and Future Park Master plans to understand what's on the horizon there and so the intent there is really to
kind of evaluate whether or not there's any gaps maybe we're over serving things like that and then um sort of Feathering that in with what are some of the nation
[Music] but it helps give us an idea I think there's so many different groups that are itching to have more use more Fields more you know
of everything so I think the data is helpful to kind of make decisive decisions and be able to point something concrete you know and so it helps with where we're going to go supposedly get dra here early early be interesting to see um
Confluence um currently working on a project website we anticipate that being up later this month or early March they're utilizing social pinpoint platform really great platform it will
be informative and very engaging as well um this is where we will once it becomes available we will then that'll be kind of our launch up to the community we'll utilize a variety of means to communicate that out um so we can steer
people towards this project website learn more about the project and then follow along as we plan uh the key thing right out the gate on that project website will be a CommunityWide
survey will be really advocating for as many of our community members to take the survey um and this survey is really going to kind of focus on starting to develop what are the priority Park themes so kind of casting the L that looking at at a high level and those
themes are things like uh Sports play ga in art rest nature and water and different examples within so be kind of interesting to just sort of see where
the community stands on what they think are the priorities and likely we will incorporate a lot of those themes into the park but we need some sort of Direction have go forward um we're going to be um
attending the CH community center carnival com up on Friday March 7th so we'll have a nice Booth presentation there with interactive displays really intended to intercept families and children interact with the displays um
get some feedback there but also again make them aware of that project website yeah will the survey be active by the time that okay yeah so we'll be having like a hand out of QR code as they perfect that worked really well with the
bicycle pedestrian having that out it' be cool if we could have some Concepts or something by River City days or fourth of July or something like that for people to react to oh that'd be cool yeah Community Wide survey Carnival
um and then focus group discussions we're planning several of those to occur here towards the end of March um so we plan to meet with School District talk a little bit more about the plans for the future Elementary
School um we plan to meet with the residents that live uh in the surrounding area that'll sort of serve as a neighborhood meeting which we utilizing a half a mile radius service radius um to invite them in for a
meeting we'll meet with all the athletic groups and High School athletic directors from chasa and Southwest ch we intend to meet with individuals and families um disabilities in various
service organizations that serice people with disabilities we're going to meet with the active older adults at Gage I plan to coordinate another group meeting at the high school and interet high school
students uh we're going to meet with chasa rotary and the Lions Club together at one of rotary meetings um Sports associations are they in the mix yep y we're g meet with them and
then lastly staff weet staff from par par um so this is all kind of the leadup to the Tuesday April 8th U meeting with the CH parking Rec commission um so at that meeting in theory we're going to
have the market analysis we're going to have over A month's worth of CommunityWide survey and we're going to have all these Focus dur the discussion completed so the key at that meeting will really be kind of synthesizing what
is all this information saying and developing some goals which will then provide some direction going into this paruda of that that we're planning um with Confluence um on Thursday May
8th and here's just a picture depicting department they did at the city of um Bloomington but it's a full day it's very interactive um they bring in all of their park planners Anders and
designers um and then we'll be bringing in project management team we're going to be inviting Park maintenance staff to be a part of it um and a variety of other stakeholders throughout the day uh
sort of flesh out what the what the community was saying and then out of that they're going to develop three concepts and then those three kind of from there we'll then move on to the evaluation phase of planning um where
those three concepts we'll be putting back onto that project website it'll be very interactive for community members to go in there and place pinpoints on things and make comments and suggestions things like that and then we will also
have those three concepts um out at fire nights and River City days um for community members to provide time so really that's kind of showcasing here's what we heard and what do you think now
what do you think and then we from there take all that feedback kind of a challenge would beiring found kind of the best of the best and coming up with preferred preferred concept hey Marshall just question back
to my Association questions I said you're thinking how do you decide what associations to include and like there's obvious choices baseball soccer football hockey like I throw hockey out there because like I know we've had
conversations about big spaces and it gets winter and Minnesota and how do you do that and I've pointed out to I felt like a really good example of a year round is in Woodberry right at the fair medical Fairville Medical Park where
they have fields and and then facil hockey facilities but hockey wouldn't necessarily be the one that would be the obvious invite unless the market research said hey you're short on ice so I guess there other groups because as we
know as this will go down there there be some group that will get forgot because that happens and they're like hey what about us I'm just curious like how do we go is that a little bit of the market research of like here's where he shorts or like hey do you want to participate some associations may say no we're good we don't have time I'm just kind of
curious how you figure out which associations because I'm going to guess everyone will have strong opinions of what should go there um and it's a balance right well I mean I think we're we're basically including
everybody but we have not included hockey as far that that's interesting question and I'm not saying that's the answer I know previously we had talked to like Reay as I think it came up was like how do you you know we have these
conversations all the time how do you program space that's usable in this climate 2 you know all year right um you know and and like swim teams too right you bring pools right like um you know those types of
things and I you know people don't think of parks necessarily as enclosed buildings but it is it has to answer that question a little bit of like how how do you create a park that is Minnesota based and can be used year
round versus not it's it's SN and now it's a big open empty space because it's winter well and I think the you know we can c includ we're still in form yeah I just I just think it's just trying to think
outside that box because there's the obvious one but yeah true all and they're they're going to be well I think a lot of these these user user groups are already using our facilities to begin with and so um I mean a lot of it going to go back to who
are the user groups that are using it and and not all of them are Association some of them are club like mountain biking is a good example where it's a a club as opposed to I was just going to say um funny this ended up on my chair today but it's Bak MCR the CEO of
Lifetime talking about how they're revamping lifetime now to be more of a holistic Club rather than just an athletic club and um one of the interesting things and I haven't read this article but his children go to St Hubert's with mine so I do know some of
what he does and he's really looking at how to incorporate the sports that are maybe less known or make like Boy Scouts and Heritage clubs and things like that where they need to go on nature walks or they need to you know that kind of stuff
he's trying to make the club more interesting to those types of folks so it'd be interesting to hear from like the Girl Scouts and the Cub Scouts and things like that like what are missing yeah from our local park system that you may you know is it bird watching or is it canoeing or you know I really don't
know yet but he just kicked off a big thing at lifetime which is interesting that you were bringing this up tonight CU it showed that the club well Athletics is the most important thing needed to kind of tailor to some of the other things that maybe you know are missing
yeah you know looking at this planning process forend entire Community engaged and involved in that initial survey is going key to help us understand what is it what is it the
community wants in this part this is so exciting so if we have some of the amenities indoors do that mean that we can reduce the amount of open space that we have around TR the you have but then you have to put parking spots I want to know how many parking spots you're
requiring for this place three every square foot and a park and four parking places for each that's all I questions yeah anybody have any questions no questions but this is exciting I was actually just watching a
meeting last night where we had you know picked confence and I was thinking you know like I'm excited to hear about what's come up that so I'm this is the entire time I've been on the conf before something that we've been working for so to like actually see great happening in
a fall like that's insane exting that's really exting great job yeah it was I talked about a lot during campaign Park coming up in Southwest trasa so it's fun to see it kind of really hone in on the vision now so I'm excited so the park of
palooza is that the people that get invited in is it just staff that gets invited into D drawing it's a general public like anybody can show up to something like that with what the parameters they kind of recommend a couple approaches we can do community
okay but I think they've also found it really effective to invite staff and then also would considering par recission city council members that process but where they really seen a lot
of benefit is inviting main staff a lot of times mainten staff because they kind of know in the end ideas in the beginning I think they very I would agree I sat at the Public
Works table with the retreat and those guys they think of everything sucks system analysis yeah absolutely that's that's great I'm I'm glad to see such a comprehensive approach really cool and kind of engaging all of the necessary
stakeholders and using data to kind of lean you know where we kind of you know go and um it'll just be wonderful I'm excited appr I would just add because I have lots of opinions and it wouldn't be
fair if I didn't see my opinion that everyone already knows I've said many times I really hope and maybe I'll be wrong when it looks at Cost but I think turf fields although selfishly because I'm a huge baseball fan but very inclusive
very you know structurally designed maintenance you talk about maintenance everything like that so I'm curious to see how that comes by I just continue to be curious I know we've talked about that right there's a significant cost upfront with that but there's different costs it I think there's some great
Universal use uh you know if you look at a traditional ball field now a dirt infield even with a grass infield it doesn't have a lot more uses other than just a baseball field if that Field's Turf it's got lines it's got thing but
it can be used for lots of different things do create that and I just think as you look around one if you want a destination there's not a lot of Upper Midwest a lot of turf fields being built the mo is probably your closest bet somewhat um and our growing climates and
weather is continues to be unpredictable and in seasons and like that so I always throw that out there cuz from you know my touring of baseball fields in the Upper Midwest uh those attract people they
attract kids they attract gathering places and again I think it just you look at it just creates a more popular use than hey we built five new ball fields that only get used four months of the year right like that's that's the
hard piece because like traditional Battlefield that's kind of what it gets used for it's really busy for a short period of time and that's all it can really be played there so we'll see but I I have not ever seen a cost on that so I might see the cost and go okay maybe
not but we'll see so I throw that out there because any time it comes up I think that excites me of that amenity to and then be unique to the area too well Turf rails aren't cheap either so correct and like I said I don't know where to start like what what is that
comparison you know real artificial turf versus the maintenance upkeep growing all that stuff be the sense of you know to what degree are the athletic association able and I'm not I'm not going to take
too much time but like him selfishly I'm a swimmer and there's not a lot of great places to swim if you don't belong to Lifetime or the community center I don't think we should put a pool in there to to preface this but maybe like like a small waiting pool or a nice size splash pad or something that attracts people
and and could be used the City of Minneapolis has these little waiting pool I mean now they're not that little they're probably the size of this room but waiting pools at many of their parks and they're jam-packed with kids that are you know they're probably 2 feet deep it's not real deep but and it's not the then the maintenance of the big INR
pools that N9 months out of the year as Matt pointed out to me don't don't get used yeah yeah yeah exactly would have packed out there today at almost 6 yeah I would have been out there myself awesome that's exciting I I will
say again that um since I moved into that space 8ish years ago seven years ago is probably the number one question I get asked walking down the sidewalk is hey what's going on over there when when's that happening um so a lot of community interest right I think people
when I door knock that area six years ago a lot of you know interest in there too so I think a lot of people will be really excited which also means a lot of people won't be shy hopefully not shy to share feedback because that is important right because we want it is
a community not a uh it's a city park not a community park there get my terminology right right it's h it's intended to be so I think people are will be excited and I'm super excited I'm super excited too wonderful thanks
you know zip line to all right moving along on the agenda ski LIF on the way back we have approval of the previous meeting minutes I'm assuming we have to do these each separate as a motion and vote right I correct on that yeah I do okay all right
so let's do first one so we have the meeting minutes for city council for the January 27th meeting um I'll entertain a motion motion to approve okay so um motion by Council Hatfield second by council member gr any um Corrections
additions on the meeting minutes for uh the 27th otherwise all those in favor say I I posos say nay all right that one carries and then the next one is uh the February 3rd meeting entertain a motion
for that motion approve okay motion by council member Benish second second by council member fill any discussion Corrections at all on the February 3rd meeting otherwise um all those in favor say I iose say a all
right any minutes are approved and that moves us along to the consent items um consent items are uh items on the agenda that really need little to no conversation but uh certainly can be moved off if something does need a
bigger conversation but does anybody have any uh questions on a consent item at all the only thing that I wanted to say was um item F which
is the uh application for the uh Harver County development agency car Community growth partnership initiative grant program that was really exciting um to read that opportunity for a new uh
company to come into chasa to come into the industrial park down there so I just wanted to say that was really exciting to read um thanks to Julie and every staff that was uh helpful on that and the CDA for their work so very exciting to
see otherwise um if no one else has anything to say I entertain a motion to approve the consent items motion to approve consent all right motion by uh council member gra second and second by council member Benish uh all those in favor say I I
oppos say n all right so consent is done and then that moves us over to action items so let's start with 88 8A adoption adopt resolution number 2025-the plat and resoning for the
fonwood py homes PC number 2024-25 uh mayor and C this is a item that you guys have already seen uh well some of you've seen came uh through for a concept plan approval uh several months ago uh this is a uh the parcel of
property that uh basically is uh sort of uh on the south uh has old 212 uh people remember where old 212 was on the North uh County Road 61 a lot of people think this parcel is in Carver it's not it's in chasa uh currently has a a barn on it
um so with that being said we're looking at preliminary tonight and I will turn this over to uh Liz who's uh presenting it thank you Matt thank you council members and mayor we have a preliminary
plat and rezoning application this evening for the development known as fonwood uh which really encompasses two properties that are owned by the engelen family and two acres that are owned by the friends family um and this is being proposed by py
homes um before I get into the details of the request I do want to spend a little bit of time just on the city of chaska's process in terms of land use applications coming through since we have two new council members here um so
the city does have a three-step process uh when we evaluate land use applications um so this really entails um uh subdivisions or new buildings on properties they usually go through a three-step process with us um and that's
uh segmented down to the first process being the concept plan um and this uh phase in the process is really the introduction of that project it's more of a highlevel overview of what's being proposed at that time um we're getting
feedback from staff the commission City Council in regards to different issues or things to kind of delve into more as uh the project goes on to other steps uh the second step in the process
um is uh the preliminary step um in this case it's a preliminary platin rezoning um this is when we get into more of the technical review of those projects we're starting to look at how the project is meeting certain code requirements in
regards to parking Landscaping storm water Wetlands Etc um and that's when we're starting um to provide resolutions or ideas to um alleviate or mitigate any issues that
have been uh brought up during that first step and even into the second step and then the third and final step is final um for this project in particular it would be final plat um and that is kind of what we like to say uh dotting eyes and Crossing tees we're kind of
getting to uh the end uh of uh kind of of hitting those issues and addressing them at that point so that's why you typically see um final applications on consent um they don't require a lot of discussion because at that point they've
kind of been through uh the full discussion during those first two steps and at that point um there's not many issues to be resolved uh so at each step uh the Planning Commission is reviewing it
first and making a recommendation to City counc Council whether they're making a recommendation for approval uh or for denial or they also have the the ability to table um to um if it does get recommended for approval or denial it does move on to you guys at City Council
in which case you get to make the ultimate decision of adopting a resolution approving it or denying it um and you also have the ability to table any request in front of you so when you're asking for a table you're basically uh wanting it to come back in
front of you after um some direction from you guys uh for that step um so moving into this application and uh what we're talking about this evening um Matt gave kind of a little bit of an overview of where the site is
located um but it is located on uh towards uh the Southwest uh corner of the city as it above but the city of caror um so the property encompasses two separate Parcels highlighted and orange on this aerial
exhibit uh some of the major um landmarks in the area um is uh chasa Boulevard or County Road 61 AB buts the northern Side Highway 212 also ABS uh the Northwestern side of this property
Mount Hope Road uh ABS the Eastern side Spring Creek Drive ABS the uh southern side and then the city of Carver and Carver neighborhoods are on the site as well um and then um the friends and worm
property um also known as uh highp Point Vistas um is currently on the northeast uh side of this site um so to get into maybe a little bit of uh background and previous approvals that have occurred uh
surrounding the site the high point Vistas development again which is northeast of this property uh was approved for their preliminary plat back in June of last year um so they are proposing a total of 162 single family
lots um on within that subdivision um you will likely see the first phase of final plat come through in the next month or two uh for this development um and why that's relevant
you'll we'll explain in um subsequent slides but um the area in question this evening um does encompass two acres of that friend's um own property to be incorporated into the overall
area as it relates to this development in particular um so before a development comes forward uh for review and approval by Planning Commission and Council they are required to hold a neighborhood meeting uh with the properties within
500 ft of the subject site uh so did conduct that meeting back in July of last year um to start to get an understanding of what some of the um concerns are of the neighboring residents um and then they formally
submitted and got their concept plan approved in September of last year uh so we're at kind of that uh subsequent step in the process here this evening in addition um now with the inclusion of
the two acre friends property um they did hold a separate neighborhood meeting in January of this year to include the properties um within 500 feet of that parcel um that were not originally included in the concept plan phase so in
order to kind of get those properties up to speed they did hold uh an additional neighborhood meeting uh for those properties to be informed in part of the process they did not have anyone show up as a part of that additional meeting uh so Liz did they invite the other
other properties again or was it just the new properties no it was just the new properties yep that's okay um so just want to go over a couple changes that have occurred since concept plan approval because there are quite a
few um since that time so again concept was approved in September of last year um and at that time they showed a plan for 49 detached single family lots on 18 Acres uh they also showed a ghost plat
on that friend's 2 acre parcel to the east there for an additional three lots um so now moving forward with the preliminary they do have um a formal agreement uh with the friends property to include that as a part of the overall
development so that is one major change since cona plan is that the friends property the 2 acre parcel is a part of the overall Site Area so that brings the total project area to 20 acres uh where it was 18 Acres before um that also
changes the lot count uh proposed for the development so uh there was four Lots added with the addition of that two acre friends parcel so total of 53 uh detached single family lots um access has also changed um in
their concept plan there were two access points proposed on Spring Creek Drive um the concept plan is shown on the upper exhibit in this Slide the preliminary plan is shown as the bottom exhibit on this slide so they've Consolidated down
to one site AIS uh which lines up with Birch Street uh to the South um and that was in um response to feedback that was provided from the residents in the area as well as uh feedback from staff to
help um consolidate uh traffic into and outof bet site another piece that's been Incorporated since cona plan is a HOA owned Tot Lot which is on um kind of the western side of the development um so
this will be an area uh that the residents can access um forther development and then in addition to that pedestrian facilities such as sidewalks um are also Incorporated on both sides of the street
of this development on the north side of Spring Creek Drive and then within the internal Street system um another extension is shown um along uh the Eastern side of the development and uh western side of Mount Hope Road up to
that County Road 61 Mount Hope Road intersection and they've also included um at that B Street intersection some pedestrian bump outs so that um crossing the the street would be a safer
connection uh for residents is that supposed to be a stop light entrance or is it just going to be a turn off Spring Creek Road here yeah nope that'll just be a stop um two-way stop intersection so it'll still um
continue through I'm sure this will still be kind of under evaluation as we're coordinating with caror as well because this is mainly their roadway we have um right of way over it as well um but it's kind of a collaborative effort
in terms of how that will be designed um as I've mentioned before this is an area that's made up of two different Parcels one owned by the angle and family so their parcel makes up a majority of that project Site Area um up to 18 acres and then the friends parcel
which is a 2 acre parcel on that Eastern side uh the England par currently contains farmland and a number of outbuildings and a Farmstead there or a homestead um and all of those will be
torn down uh with the development moving forward um and then Frontage will be on Spring Creek Drive um and that will be the primary um entrance into the development and then also worth noting is utilities uh are not readily
available to service the area with the highp point Vistas project proposed to the northeast of this property um with them currently going through the development process um they will be extending utilities uh basically
to the intersection of County Road 61 and Mount Hope Road um so um as those utility extensions happen uh utilities will be available to service the site but they are our electric area or no it's not no
we're actually real quickly the in the process of working with Excel uh they've actually given us an agreement now to actually purchase back that territory from them now okay so I expect within the next couple months you're probably going to see us come back uh with
something to look at purchasing that territory the request this evening specifically uh involves a preliminary plat which is the division of land for 53 um 53 lots that are detached single family oriented um and then also a
rezoning request from our open zoning District to a planned residential district specifically PRD 88 um the open zoning district is kind of a holding zone until the property develops and then it gets rezoned to a district that is appropriate to the use
that's being proposed um so this area per our comp plan comprehensive plan which is kind of that long range uh guiding plan for land use and other things um it guides this site in particular for low density
residential and what that really breaks down to is a density thres threshold of two to five dwelling units per net acre and how that project or what's proposed this evening Falls within that they're right at that midpoint of 3.1 dwelling
units per net acre So within the guided density for this site um this is the preliminary plan on this uh slide here uh so a total of 53 Lots um which will be primarily 60 feet
and with um 23 of those slots would directly access off of Spring Creek Drive so kind of in alignment of uh the properties to the south of Spring Creek Drive uh kind of matching that access and then 30 Lots will be accessed
from the internal Street system which will terminate into two culde saacs on the east and west sides uh so the lot sizes uh will range um mainly around 0.17 acres in size and then even up to
0.5 Acres uh mainly for this parcel on the western side of the development the home homes um will range in size from 2400 ft up to 3,000 plus
Square ft and will be twostory um products uh with two and three car garage options um the access again which is more of a zoomed in view here that you can see is from one access point that
will line up with Birch Street um storm water ponds are proposed on kind of all sides of the develop M with um kind of the bigger pond on the Eastern side uh ponding on the north and west sides
here uh setbacks proposed are pretty equivalent to um uh the setbacks to the South but they are proposing a 25 foot front setback side setbacks of 7 and 1/2 ft and then a rear setback of 20
fet and then the housing product proposed there's a few images showing um some that you'll see in this newer neighborhood which will be that twostory um and two to three car options um and just giving a comparison to the product
that's on the south side of Spring Creek Drive which is shown in an image on this bottom half of the slide here um something that's not proposed with this development but directly relates to it um are the improvements that are planned at the County Road 61
Mount Hope Road intersection um so uh this intersection along with the other County Road intersection with the High Point fistas development um are currently being evaluated for design options um at each of those entrance
points um that this development will ultimately um be able to benefit from um the they have a couple different designs um being proposed for those intersections that are known or denoted
as the interim condition and the ultimate condition or what I like to describe as um the interim being the immediate need to help support the um onset of the uh High Point fistus development and then the ultimate need
which is kind of the futuristic need for the overall uh development and surrounding growth area of uh not just chasa but even kind of outside of that um so when High Point Vistas uh goes in or starts developing the interm
condition would be built on the onset of that and really what that breaks down to is a two-way stop control dedicated uh left turn lane intersection so um they'll have stop stop signs on the North and South legs of this
intersection and then dedicated leftand turn Lanes in either direction um with medians um to help separate um those turn Lanes um the ultimate uh condition or the ultimate design proposed for this
intersection and this is years out um again there's not really a trigger threshold that's been identified yet but uh the ultimate condition that is planned for this intersection is a single Lane roundabout
there I think as we talk coming the trigger point is going to be when the road needs to get reconstructed um and then as it relates to kind of the amenities for this area and connection to public park space um
so our comprehensive plan does not guide this site in particular for a public park um and as a result of that the development will have to pay uh Park fees as a part of their development um however was noted during the concept
plan that the location of this site is um in between or has a pretty large gap between um public park facilities um it's over a half a mile away from that community park that we were just
discussing in visitor presentation plus there's um a a major barrier with the county road kind of separating um that park space from this uh plot of land and then within Carver um uh the nearest
public park is roughly 0.7 miles away um and because of that separation um it was kind of um noted during the concept plan that there was a need to fill that Gap to provide uh amenities uh for the residents of this site in particular uh
so as a result of that analysis the Planning Commission as well as the city council did include a condition of approval for the development to include uh a private uh park space uh within the development um so the de developer has
uh included as a part of this preliminary plan to have an HOA owned Tot Lot um within the plan so that the residents there have something to directly access within their neighborhood um as it relates to Trails
and sidewalks again they're planning to uh put sidewalks on both sides of the uh Street systems within this development um it's also worth noting that there is a trail system on the Carver side on the south side of Spring Creek Drive that's
shown in um this blue dotted line which may be hard to see on your screen there um but it basically runs along the south side of Spring Creek Drive and along the east side of um Mount Hope Road um so it was uh highlighted in the concept plan
The Importance of Being able being able to connect into those existing facilities but also provide adequate um uh development uh pedestrian facilities uh for this development um so with those bump outs um being included on the north
side of Spring Creek Drive um there will be a pedestrian um Crossing on the east side of that Birch Street Spring Creek Drive intersection to provide that safe connection to the trail system to the South there and then um sidewalks again
the uh development is proposing to add those along um the northern stretch of Spring Creek Drive and then up to that County Road 61 Mount Hope Road intersection um one item that we've
asked the developer to continue to look into is um on the east side there having more of a direct connection into that pedestrian system that's proposed here um as we understand that there will be kind of more of that
direct um connection needing to occur as people will likely go north uh towards that Community Park once it's online uh so just an area for them to further evaluate in terms of where those pedestrian connections will likely
happen and if there's a a point or a spot where a more direct connection can occur there in terms of uh landscaping and tree preservation um they are planning to put uh Boulevard trees uh uh one for every
50 ft per code um as well as some uh buffering and screening along County Road 61 um there is a pretty mature um presence of trees along Ong the uh Highway 212 side of things that will
remain that are within mindat right of way um they will be preserving some significant trees on site um that are mainly on the West Side um that are pretty large oak trees um so that'll be a nice inclusion um into the development
um but there will be a majority that will be taken down um with the uh construction of the development most of those uh range from Ash Elm Spruce Walnut box elders and even some Oaks and Maples
sprinkled in there too um just a couple cross-sections to understand kind of that um topographical relationship between the roadways and the proposed development Chasco Boulevard will sit higher than the proposed development so along some
of that stretch is where those buffer trees will be incorporated to help with um some of that um visual separation and then with uh Highway 22 there's a pretty significant separation between the nearest uh edge of the roadway and where
the home site sits it'll be roughly 450 ft away so a couple thing a couple things for them to work on for final um just the overall Boulevard design and uh Tre replacement along uh Spring Creek Drive
in Mountain Hope Road there's different ways to take a look at that that they'll need to evaluate um and then uh a p a more direct pedestrian connection on the east side of the development as it connects to the sidewalk system along uh
Spring Creek Drive and Mount Hope Road um and then continued coordination with both the city of chasa and the City of Carver on um the design and the utility cord doors and right of way needed for Spring Creek Drive um and
then making sure that they're incorporating outlots over all storm water ponds and access points um so with that um we're asking to make two different motions this evening um one motion is to
adopt resolution number and then a second motion to adopt ordinance number 1055 which is approving the rezoning from open to a plann residential district PRD 88 happy to answer any questions
otherwise we do have representatives from PTY here if you have any specific questions for them I have a few questions um I don't often go back and watch the concept in video I don't hear myself talk like that but I did on this one it felt a little bit like a crazy
person looking at this again um and watching the planning meeting on it um we talked a lot about the two entrances versus one I felt like we' really leaned into this two I know staff had different ideas about
that so I'm still struggling with the one versus two um having only one way into there um for emergency services snow removal all of those things um um I
guess so I still don't love that I don't know more to say besides that I just don't really like it one yeah and maybe if I can add to that I know from an emergency service standpoint there is a Max the number of lots that you can have
on one entrance and they're right at that Max so they're not over it which would trigger the need for that second access so at least from a fire standpoint they're comfortable with it um um and so that was kind of the safety
piece I don't know being right at it makes me feel a lot better but I guess so yeah I guess I'm I'm just really not happy with the one entrance um the other question is there it so kind of between l 10 and
um number the same that trail coming out from the park kind of from the top lot between 10 and one onto Spring Creek is there a trail on the other side of Spring Creek going behind those houses because it looks official but also looks not official and if it is official why
don't they line up I might need a an explanation of that so coming out from the top lot that trail that goes out onto Spring Creek D yep then across the street I've seen people use that like so if you go across
the street kind of one house to the West I've seen people go walking on that as like it's a trail but actually is it kind looks like one it kind of doesn't from overhead views you see where I'm talking yeah yeah so I don't know if that's an official Trail
if it is me they don't line up people are across the street my understanding it it isn't it might be a storm water access yeah is that it maybe wasn't and people just walked on that b me less
um so that's good to know and then the other thing was this got more dense I think we felt like it was pretty dense already and I'm sort of tired of this housing stock that we should have as many houses that look exactly the same
in the same in an area I'm just being really Frank um I thought there was a big opportunity and I I did listen I know staff said there's other areas we can do other housing types I get it think there was an opportunity to do something really interesting in the interior part of this um I think making
the house look the same as the other side of Spring Creek is beneficial but I'm just guess I'm disappointed on the um that we didn't see some more diverse home stock that could have happened and I know we talked a lot about Villas I watched The
Villas sell very fast for over a half a million this weekend um so I think there is a demand there but I guess that's what it is I mean in general I guess it's fine I'm not excited about it I think it's a bunch of houses that we already have a trillion of going up
and uh yeah so it's not my favorite but I don't have any real concerns beyond that I just wanted to reemphasize it those were things we talked a lot about at concept and so that's where I came back kind of disappointed I know the Planning Commission was very complimentary on this plan I was very
disappointed and I'll just say that um I you want to go first um I just have clarifying question if I look at Google Maps now the other the north side of that road has like what appears to be a bike
lane is that really what that is yes today it is I think a ad hoc bike lane that car has put in it is yeah um which I assume isn't going to exist when it gets built because it'll be okay I just that strictly as a
because you don't I don't see that painting on roads very often in the city of chesco dedicated but there was nothing to actually like indicate that was a bike land yeah and we did directly ask Carver if that's something they wanted to keep as a part of this
development and they said no sure um yeah I would Echo a little bit of of council member Hatfield statements um I'm not a market expert I don't know what's selling in the market I obviously
I know developers want to make money and so they're going to sell a product that sells so I trust that um it is still a i it made complete sense to me to match a decision that we had no indication on
when it was in Carver's property across the road right it would look very strange if they looked very different if they looked very different on opposite sides of the road so that I understood I do I can said EO going into that space um you could have done thing
there's some houses in there that I feel like again someone will buy it and that's the market but man some of those ones that are wedged in there you literally feel like your neighbors are all around you yeah and so that again that's just an observation um it'll sell
I'm sure it'll sell in this market it just does um but I guess that I'd Echo that a little bit of just like I get it I'm never gonna um pretend or or even fault a developer for wanting to maximize the number of houses on a property I I get that you know this is
unique in the fact that usually when we have conversations about maximizing number of places there's a lot of residential concern about the space well guess what there's nothing else around it right so it kind of fits that um so I guess I'll Echo that com a little bit
Yeah I it did jump out to me that one single AIS again um I don't I also Echo the feeling like being right up against the max how does that make me feel
um the analogy I will use generally speaking is like uh I'm a big individual and I see like weight limits on things and I don't know if I want to be like on a ladder right next to the right like do I really want to test that right like that's just my logical thinking right so
that's a little bit of where I sit to it just you know and I get it there's not a really good space for another exit 10 between 10 where it was before in the right in front of us like where you wouldn't have headlights going into a
home as bad as you would other places which is where the trails where the trails from the lot yeah yeah yeah I have a question on that too in the drawing where do people access their homes because it looks like the cacs are in the middle of the neighborhood on the one and they must have Drive start a
Spring Creek road so the house oh the front of their houses on spr if you look at the Carver side I was thinking it was they uh Carver built their homes first there they have them access okay I was looking at it backwards and I'm
thinking like they're all in the neighborhood and like okay that makes perfect sense traffic traffic wise how busy of the street is friend creep track we know that right now it's not but it's behind the neighborhood you know become busier at point I mean
people are stopping to pull into their driveways into their garages all on that road and granted not you know 20 30 uh 31 people aren't going to show up at the same time but I I look at it you know I might just
be a simple amulance driver but I kind of e what M was saying where he wise that can turn into a real problem and one thing I wanted to bring up and this is personal experience I live in a single access neighborhood right off 212
and you know it's wonderful because you get to know your neighbors and you have a sense of community and all that but it's horrible because when crime happens it just it's it's like a it's a call for people to come in there because they know they can do it hidden in the canyon and all this other stuff and we've had
car stolen and houses broken into and loaded guns taken out of people's homes and all kinds of crazy in this neighborhood so if I'm thinking about that and I'm hearing like what Michaela just said about the two entrances is there a really good way that you're
lighting this neighborhood then so that street lights are shining and so that there is not a you know invitation to come and and do things we don't watch in our community and then secondly if we're working with Carver on this and a lot of these look like they're coming right out
on the chasa Carver line um I guess it's more of a question for you but like have we looked at like do they are they going to plow that street are we going to plow that street like how are how are we sharing you know what should be like a a
shared Road for Access for both of these neighborhoods yeah so it's kind of split so Spring Creek Drive really falls under the maintenance of the city of Carver um there is an agreement kind of between chasa and Carver in terms of Maintenance
and operations and that sort of thing that will more than likely get refined as a part of this development um and then the internal streets um to the north of that will be chasa maintained I was talking about Spring Creek so that answers my question and then my last
question and you may not have a total number right now because obviously we don't know the value of each home but what are we looking at as a tax revenue base from this 53 versus 40 well they they said about five to $600,000 homes right isn't that what the preliminary
narrative said in there so but do we know how a tax evaluation is on a $500,000 for four additional homes probably about $16,000 so not a ton obviously I wasn't here for the first yeah I was so what what change why go from 48 to 53
exactly oh was they out of the other property yeah there was a there was a piece of property they're not adding anything there Pond h no it's three houses though I looked I looked at that too they added three houses on that stretch yeah but the three houses went that way no if you look at the number I
counted them there's five here now and then there's 11 I have a clarifying question for you the other the um see storm water never unless just
haven't been paying attention but I me have yeah I suppose because they shut the road the entrance they could yeah dri right behind my house water anything like that but what it's doing is it's reducing the rate of
run okay I just I so more like a question of curiosity because I I just don't know if I've really seen that and then in regards to the highway with the with screening and buffering was there like a noise analysis done in regards to that that
was on here and that fell right in line with everything as far yep so they did they're obviously closer than the existing neighbors you know so yeah yeah so we did ask them to do a noise analysis which theyve provided um and
the conclusion of that is they're not within the threshold of not meeting State Standards unless they they have to provide certain window uh ratings that they'll put on the homes to help keep them within that threshold of State Standards
yeah the houses that back up from the Carver side of Spring Creek are there driveways coming off Spring Creek as well or are they on the internal no they're going okay so it'll just look like an addition of look like the second half of the rad okay uh um maybe at this
point do we have the applicant here maybe if you want to step forward introduce yourself um guess and yeah maybe you can talk through some of the points that have been addressed good evening Madam mayor and council members my name is daay daily with homes
Minnesota our address is 1650 West 82 Street sweet 300 lington Minnesota I also have Tom de with with engineering answering specific engineering questions um but just to kind of talk about a few things I've heard um as far as the
single point of access um we did go back and forth on and been working with staff in adjacent neighborhood on the single point of access um in our neighborhood meeting and our conversations with the residents who did show up they were avidly against the second point of access on the western side um as
developers we are trying to do our best to thread the needles between all the city regulations as well as meeting neighborhood goals in City comprehensive teners um so we felt that by we could remove that Western access point to help
some of those concerns we heard um and still follow the city code ordinances we're not requesting any variances on that um and the staff mentioned um there doesn't seem to any concerns with fire and safety at us comes to that that's one issue we tried to tackle with
Concept plan with the feedback we heard from the neighbors as well as I know it's kind of Mi planning um comments on that but I just want to reason for that um and then as far as different types of products I do understand that in this area there is a lot of detached SLE
family homes but there's reason because it does work in this area and we've done a lot of research into what we can build here what we think we do well and um we did adly look at this with staff we ask us to investigate it a little bit more
and what we kind of found with our Villa and mve down buyers or town home buyers they really need that big push to like Des siiz their homes and typically that's a large amenity such as a community center pool or being really
close to a major shopping center so while we did try to see if that would work that is one of the reasons we're still proposing that single family T home um and again we wanted to propose something more on the less dense side because when you start to introduce the patch product your density goes up and
you wanted to be a fit in with existing conditions anybody have any questions for the applicant or I guess I have any questions that com I kind of disagree but okay um I think there was a like I said that vill that just sold in a few days for over half a million who in a
way less desirable spot than this um but I shouldn't say way less it's in a nice spot it's just not as nice as this I would say um yeah and I I appreciate the neighborhood's comments about extra entrances I was say any neighborhood is
going to see that um that's where we get to come in and think a little bit differently and look at it so I guess I'm not surprised if they said that um if I were them I probably would say something similar so um yeah I'm pretty uncomfortable with the one especially
because I we've had so many not necessarily in chasa but sometimes in chasa incidents where something were to happen in one of those middle six houses that we had to block the street off or something but there was a waterm break that there would be a
lot of people that could not get out um and I just that's uncomfy to me um and I don't think it's something we should do if we have the choice I think it's something we should stay away from and I realize that this plan meets our ordinance all are those things I think that's where it comes to counsel and we
get to be a little bit more philosophical about do we actually want this here um and I guess that's where I'm more like I'm I don't love the single entrance I don't love shoving as many houses here as we can um I'm not excited about the
the home product that we have in here but um that's just my opinion on it so when you when you say you interviewed the neighborhood about the multiple entrances issue are you talking about the resident at Carver just to the South or are these are these Lots
sold oh sorry Madame mayor and council members it's when we had the neighborhood meeting for all the res that are current yeah and so you know you're going to have the recipients of that I will say if we look at the second entrance it literally is someone's driveway across the street like that would be really hard for them there's
there's a pretty big area there I think actually pointed this out last time in between those two houses where I actually do think it is like Watershed access or something that the you could hit in between between 9 and 10 you're saying yeah cuz right now that guy's
driveway is literally neighbor I guess I'd ask the question um and this goes a little bit just comparing just logic and understand so in the concept plan the other property wasn't included that changed but that ghost plot showed three houses
in that extended cuis act that's not where they ultimately ended up so walk me through like why that changed versus a ghost concept goes plan till what it actually came council members um so as far as when we were looking at the site plan we
actually had a lot of issues just meeting uh the drainage requirements which I can speak to specifically we have our engineer here who can talk more about that but in order to meet the different drainage requirements we needed additional storage and ponding um which is why those layouts kind of
shifted and where the pond is shown on that Gap person which is different it's one of the low spots at the site so watering okay yeah I just I I said I'm still thinking through it because again this the hardest thing for me a little bit here
is visually when we build developments it's pretty rare that outside of a street level people can see into the neighborhood this will make sense here in a
second this is very visible because if you're coming over that Hill you're looking down into this neighborhood that's why I asked about the noise and it's in and I just like it's it's going to look like I'm going to say it it's going to look like Suburbia right like
houses really stacked in there and and I think we've done a good job and again there's a mix there's a flow people some people would say I want to live like that others won't I'm G get that I'm just trying to it is rare and that's why it's giving me more paw because a lot of our developments doesn't have that Vista
in but you think of like some of the roads you're driving down major highways and you can see in there you just house house house house house house house and what that you know image is and again it's not always bad some people will say like that's great um so that's what's
always just giving me that pause on that space again I like go like Spring Creek that had a matchup right it just did because the decision was made out of our hands with the city of Carver on that piece um one bigb out of curiosity actually that's a good question who was
the developer at F feet was that py too or do you know okay um I don't know if that hugely matters I was just more curious but like I said just that internal piece just gives me a little it's a lot of houses
but and I think like I I just think as a council here if this was an infill project this room would be full right it would it would certainly be people would be concerned about traffic they'd be concerned about the number of houses going in there now it's not in Phil so we got to recognize that
right because there there's no neighbors really to the north well there's not a lot of Neighbors at all there mostly South um and they're in a different community and they're in a different Community right so but the way the main roads come it looks like one Community it's like yeah no one's I mean they're not going to know that as we started the
conversation most people are think this part of property's been part of Carver for most of most of the time too um so yeah I I so yeah I mean I'm listening um I appreciate the inclusion of the Tot Lot
I think that that's very important um I agree with council member Hatfield's statement I did a lot of door knocking in chasa and especially in the older neighborhoods we have a lot of residents in this community that would like to stay in chasa they would like to have a single level they would like to have a Villa style I think when you say the
market doesn't drive that because of X Y and Z and that it doesn't force them to move I think people are looking for that and they're not moving out of their existing homes right now because there is nothing available that's a big statement you as the
developer as the Builder have to make that product available now I'm also not in love with the excuses of why we couldn't do anything a little bit more interesting on the inside and I live in a neighborhood that looks a lot like this
where they're very stacked and you have the corner homes that are like right up against of another house they have practically no yard so when I look at on the plan number eight and nine and number six and seven they're all like the same numbers but when you come in
and you come off that tea those like three inside houses that's just I I just like council member grow will say I'm sure somebody will buy it but they're not going to love their yard because there's pretty
much no yard for them so density is is unfortunate here um I also worry about the noise coming off the highway I really do I know it meets standards and that's fine but I
live off Highway 212 without a sound wall I'm I struggle um on that but I I don't know so uh does does anybody
have any additional questions or comments I guess I just haven't ask right I think you've heard and um I know we're at a preliminary I guess the ask is to help and that's why you're here you're listening I trust that
you're listening right um until that proven trust right like that I I give that trust I think that's that I think that's what I'm hearing and that's my ask is is can we look at that density in there again I know I'm not going to
pretend right you you run a business you're it's it's a goal right I I'm not telling you how to do your job um but time ask I can't tell you how to do job because it's built in the city but I just think it's that ask of like really trying to figure out what can we do because there are some of these Lots
like I think of like like 11 and or 10 and 11 they get right by that Tot Lot they're kind of wedged in there weird you know tw's out there on that West Side that's got a really that would be a really nice lot that's a pretty big space
um you know I I I like I said I could live more with the entrance approach well In fairness I'm helping out two problems with one because if we loose reduce the number of houses in there we reduce the access issue somewh to correct right not the max so that's just
my ask right I like I said I again you're not building things that are not going to sell and make money because that wouldn't be a good decision by your part either so I trust that um but I'm trying to speak a little bit I'm just like I said I'm just scrutinizing
this one with density a little bit more because it's going to be very visible with that with the scenes and it's great scenes like it like that is like a cool view to say I live down there right um because there's again there's not a lot of places where you're going to have
that visibility uh coming into the community coming into that space so that's that's my ass I'm not going to speak for the rest I think you've heard some of that similar nature um you know do I expect to to dramatically change I'm real I I
don't expect that but I guess the ask is just can we look at product availability as well as like number of spaces in there because it's it's a lot in there and I and I fully sign up to the Spring Creek because again I said it three times I'll say the third fourth time
that decision was made out of our hands and it would not look right if it didn't match across the street 100% um so there's where you pack your density and and and get one connection to a buyer and then I just think there's a unique opportunity to do something different on that internal side that's
my ask I would suggest that if you're not comfortable with this I would suggest tabling it because um taking comments or you know giving comments we're in a position now where we're resoning those
property so if we reone it that's what it's going to be okay and so the application period um right we have a limited amount of time under State Statute so maybe uh Nate can respond to this 60-day review
period according to the the staff report would bring us out to April 6th and then the city has the ability to extend another 60 days which would then bring us to June 5th um but I think Kristoff right if they table it they need
to say sort of a deadline with that set a time a timeline for when it would be picked up it's set on for the next meeting or continue to be tabled but we'd have to the city has to take action on it um before the the expiration a
deadline so I I would if there I mean it it I'm clearly hearing there's uncomfortableness here I want to make sure that we uh give our also uh enough time to be able to take
some of this feedback and uh back and and talk with the developer what I would suggest that we do because we don't know exactly how long it's going to take to review this is that we table it until the next meeting and that by the next
meeting we that's next week y but by the next meeting we could have a date uh that we could put on the consent agenda to say this is when we're suggesting we table it until is that I I don't know or we could table it
until the the second meeting in March uh 17 can you give I don't know if we can do this can we give parameters like would you come back with a two entrance and a you know I mean she been taking not does it go before the Planning Commission again then because
it's technical no it would not um like what would it take to make us feel comfortable because obviously well what we're going to do is we're going to take the feedback that we're hearing from you guys work with them I I I don't think we can just say right now
this is exactly what should happen because they got to go through analysis and be able to look at this and and what understand what's going to work and what's not going to I think we've gotten heard feedback from you guys about the things that are concerning uh to you
um and I think if there's that concern I think it does uh warrant tabling it we do have to act on it by juneth be March 17 we have the ability to request 60-day extension yeah yeah so
we you know we have six um you know hopefully working with the develop we could a 60 extension um but we don't know that right now right so I think smre the city can extend the deadline
once yeah that's not a it's not a request we can just do that the developer could agree to extend it beyond that um but the city has the right to extend it at least once well let's let's do this
let's could I suggest that uh table it if there's any additional comments that you want to make sure that we take into consideration we should talk about them now um but uh let's table it until the March 17th meeting at that time we'll
come back uh either with the plan uh or uh or the date that we're that we'd actually suggest tabling it to uh so then that gives us enough time gives a developer enough time to be able to go through and and do the analysis to to
look at this that yeah are there any additional comments that need to brought forward for the the staff and the applicants it's not I mean I just want to say that I really the one I like I like there's a
connection on the north side of Mount Hope Road um there's not currently a sidewalk north of Spring Creek Drive on Mount Hope Road on either side it kind of like stops as Spring Creek Drive actually but it's on the other side so I do appreciate that there's a sidewalk
there for eventually people that may want to cross for the to the Community Park even though it is a big road to um I do appreciate that sidewalk being there so don't want that to go anywhere but that was the only thing I would just comment like I can't recall similar
situations where we've maybe used this procedural um so I I'm welcoming that I think I'm hopeful right I know it's probably not the outcome you were hoping in expecting that's fair uh but I and I and I hope and trust that you've worked
with us in the city enough to know like why we're asking these questions and and work with staff to continue to do so like I do think like there's a there is a goal in the end here um so but I again I appreciate your interest I I I
recognize that this probably isn't the outcome you were hoping and and or expecting but uh and I'm hopeful that this means to you and to the to to your organization like okay let's think through this a little bit and I and I'm hopeful like I'll again speak so I'm
hopeful that will see something that helps those pieces I'm not necessarily expecting everything to be solved I think there's give and take here there um but I think it's worth the conversation and by going forward with that procedural process it buys us that
time to continue that conversation um so again I I just want to acknowledge because you're here you're up here representing um and and it's not necessarily always the best situation probably to hear that terminology and there's a bug flying by you sorry
he's been hanging out he's been flying around all day um so I just want to acknowledge that and thank you again because and and encourage you to continue to to to work and listen us listen up with us too so absolutely yeah I Echo councilman MCR statement I know
this is kind of like the left turn that probably wasn't anticipated but I think that's why we go through the three-step process so that feedback that's garnered from the concept can be maybe incorporated as much as possible into the preliminary there were points that
were really brought out from that point that just maybe weren't Incorporated here maybe there's opportunity for that to happen again but with that being said I think um I would entertain a motion to just real Qui that um I just want to
make sure that we take the right feedback back so what I'm hearing is uh the the two entrances are important um that the we need to match the housing along
Spring Creek uh but that as we get into the interior that you guys would like them to look at is there other types of housing that could fit in there or uh potentially less dense uh housing the less density piece and then the entrance
piece isn't as important I think those those things kind of go s a little bit if you lose the number of houses number homes in the inside and then you only have one exit and entrance in if you reduce the number of homes on the inside
maybe I don't know but I you but MERS were bringing it forward it was more important I think the way is I personally felt the way you said it Matt was perfect I would hate for them to come back and we have a different
defition of what's two den and there's only one entrance still that would be my only fear and so if unless it got a lot less than maybe then that would be fine to have one um I would just caution that we
could have the end up having the same conversations because we had different definitions of L could I ask a question on the when you guys did this the first time on the Mount Hope Road side do you see like where the ghost Lots were supposed to be and there's the CAC is
there a reason why there wasn't an entrance to mount h Road from that you there's drainage yeah no the drainage is south of it like right where the cuac where it circles and then like you could go to that really to like I issue from the intersection
there yeah there's no way the county would car county has a minimum amount of Separation I was just trying to figure out how you could May bus of that road makesense it makes sense to ask but yeah yeah yeah uh did you okay I
I just want to I just want to make sure that that we got it right cuz I do you feel comfortable or do you need more feedback at all no I no I I I feel comfortable hearing what you said I just I just want to make sure that as we go back that we're representing that right yeah no I appreciate that that's
important because you're right we don't want to spin the wheel you know again so and also if I can just mention um I watched the Planning Commission meeting they were very complimentary of the plan so I would hate for anyone to watch that meeting and then watch this meeting and be confused um the Planning Commission
did a great job you know looking at this from our ordinances and our zoning and things like this that to say do this fit when it gets to council that's where we say we take a little bit different approach and saying do we want this for our community so I just want to clarify that I don't know if I said but no that
I think that's a really valid point that we looked to our Planning Commission as an Advisory Board and they did their job they looked at the conditions and ordinances um and they did exactly what they were meant to do I think as council member Hatfield had spoke earlier it's
more of a philosophical um take on you know just the the look and aesthetic of the neighborhood and and incorporating the you know thought of safety and and the living conditions for the people that live across the street currently and the ones that are going to reside in that
neighborhood in their well-being so that's important um okay with that this is New Territory for for Taylor here uh I'll entertain a motion to table this item do have we have to give
a date of March March 1 17th so do I have so mov okay so I have a motion from council member Hatfield second and a second from council member shevin do we have any more further discussion on this otherwise all those in favor say I I I
close same sign okay this is tabled until March 17th I appreciate your time thank you for coming in thank you thank you okay so that moves us on to the next agenda item which I was on that page or
no I got off of that nebor uh motion to adopt resolution number 20255 approving the concept plan for too curves SL quadring Ventures PC number
2024 d24 mayor council members the item uh in front of you tonight is coming from the Planning Commission with a recommendation for approval for the concept plan uh this uh 10 units uh would U if if you've been up into chevel
neighborhood uh it's your first after you get across the bridge you go right it's the first right uh hand turn uh there's currently uh uh homes are on the west side of SLO curve but not on the east side and that's because that
property uh was uh uh not up for sale uh when uh chevel first developed so that became uh available on a developer uh purchased it so I'll turn it over to Nate I was gonna turn over to Ashley but
she can't talk so so we'll give it to Nate so uh that's convenient yeah yeah there thumbs up mate doing a good job thumbs down when he's not yeah sorry you got so Matt was previewing um the
property subject property here is outlined in the teal color um it's located on the the southwest corner of 86th Street in Bavaria Road uh if you're driven up there right now it looks like a a farm right they've got some horse
facilities and things like that so a concept plan is the first step in our review um process so existing conditions it's about a 30 acre property like I said it's on the well northeast corner is a single family house on the property there's uh
three larger accessory buildings um and several smaller agricultural structures in the property today it's mostly flat and used for horse pasture presently and other um accommodating facilities uh the development site is being proposed this evening is about six
acres of that um generally located in the southwest corner of the property uh the concept plan uh that's being put for you tonight is a 10 lot uh development on creating a new
cesac uh this New Lots would be about 60 ft wide ranging from 7500 to 9,000 square ft in size uh utilities are currently available from too curve so this this stub Street or called theck
here is too curve as it presently exists um storm water management would be collected and directed to a new pond on the east side of the new Pac um is being is is being proposed and then vegetative birming uh would buffer the development
to the east and west um so I'm going to dive into some I guess history and um you Baseline information as it pertains to this site this is a this is a proposed project that fits within our Green Belt um and so I'm going to go through and explain
how that works um a little bit of context to shial as a neighborhood is part of our green belt so that's an example of a cluster development that was done in our Green Belt I'm going to get into that um so our 20 240 comprehensive plan was
adopted in 2020 um it guides you know all the topics that you see here uh this particular property is in an area that's guided as rural residential and that's the land use guidance that we use to protect and set up our Green Belt area
um within chasa so here you see a map of the green belt uh the idea behind the green belt is to create a perimeter of the city to preserve and enhance ch's identity and sens of community so within the green belt there's three different policy
approaches um for development to occur uh the first would be rural development which is what it's what it's generally guided for presently um so it's limited to a minimum 5 acre property at a density of four homes per 40 acres um there's another approach and
this was done on the kelzer farm um so that's the property on the south side of uh Pioneer Trail um at the at the intersection with County Ro 11 be on the Southeast Corner the kzer farm is preserved through this process so that's to maintain a very low development at
Community entrances on major roads and so what happened there was there was a a a shift of the development um eligibilities on that property into what we've just recently developed with Dr Horton um and supporting that
development um and then there's a cluster development option um and so that's looking at you know large swath property um it must connect to city sewer and water be bounded by major city roads or city limits uh include
infrastructure impact analysis it provides view shed open space and natural resource protection um an average of one dwelling unit per gross acre of that and then concentrating that development onto onethird of the site um with the
remainder to be protected and so that was the shial development approach and where you see the development that occurred there um really concentrating into those development nodes that exist but then preserving viewsheds um and natural areas so this Pro this particular
property was actually included in the shaval master development plan um at the time so that was back back in 2005 um as the project proceeded uh turned out that this particular property owner decided that um they weren't quite
ready to participate in that um so that's why you have the situation that you have today where um you know they have development eligibilities out here as part of that cluster development they not yet been used just a question that but it's we in concept plan because because sometimes
when things get proved in a concept plan it comes back right at preliminary but we're in a concept plan because question so the reason why we're at concept plan um is you'll see the preferred uh development that was approved by the concept plan at the time was having
these units line to lrow curve so as we've proceeded uh forward here there's a couple of outlots um that were created as part of this part of this development that are generally kind of on this portion there's one on the southern side and one on the Northern side that got
created as part of the shoval development um and over time the the HOA Ono curve ended up purchasing those outlots um so in order for uh this preferred development approach to materialize the HOA would need to sell
those Outlets um to be part of this development that's something that the HOA is not interested in doing um their intent is to hold those Outlets as sort of a buffer um area um and so absent the hoa's uh participation and um you know
willingness to sell those those outlots um to be part of the development um we're at a position where we're looking at other ways to achieve um the development and allow the property owner to you know capitalize on development eligibilities that they hold and so that's where we've got when I was
previewing earlier the um the additional it's called the sack that's kind of extending out this direction um and so that's where it's different enough where we feel it's good to started a concept thank you yep
um so in the shal uh neighborhood it was you know the idea was that the neighborhood be bordered by trees and pastures that you'd have you know this Vista that would get preserved um and you see that continuation Southward today you know that got realized there's there's a
pretty significant buffer between Bavaria Road and where the development starts with shaval um too curve was intended to be at at the time uh Twin Homes that shared driveways and uh onto the CU the saac uh fast forward that
ended up being um you know separated uh town home type of a look as it is today um with the shared driveways that act that access onto too curve so here you see uh today's uh
configuration of this development and you can see these out Lots exist on the Norther and in the southern end and then there is a a 36 wide touch Point um off of too curve um that that touches up against the
property that's being proposed for development um so as we're analyzing this is it is it consistent with the comprehensive plan uh staff you know this is a 10un development that's concentrated on 2.41 Acres of the development uh we do believe it is consistent with the comprehensive plan
um and with the uh the master development plan that urgently contemplated with the shoval neighborhood obviously there's you know some changes that have occurred here but um the spirit of it I think is still um you know being followed uh again we're we're looking at
General consistency with the comprehensive plan um preliminary compliance review of the comp plans Green Belt goals and policies so we're looking at preservation of viewsheds um Landscaping the preservation method are things that we're going to need to continue to review and be mindful as as they're
moving into the preliminary uh process and we'll be looking at um you know how are you preserving the remainder right how does that get put into you know some sort of a preservation opportunity there um whether it might be an easement on the property or some sort of De
restriction or something like that to really moralize that the development opportunity has been exhausted through this elopment um conting the development into the uh Southwestern corner of the property helps to preserve that view
shed that Vista and create that Landscaping opportunity for the buffering that is in mind with you know how shal property and development was originally so we want to continue to make sure that that's being realized there is some further review
that's going to be needed here um our current count plan shows this site outside of the the Musa um so which is a little bit I think something that we need to explore with the with the Met Council when again when shial came through we did a comprehensive plan
Amendment which would have expanded the Musa to include all of shaval um and so I don't know if it's a if it's a detail thing that um maybe got overlooked in the in the most recent comp plan process or or how you know it shows up as it is
um often we look at our comp plan lines um in undeveloped areas as hard to Define right because it's not a developed area that's something need to explore with uh the me Council to see what they're going to need to see um you know hypothetically that component amend
at time um so hopefully that still stands we we confirm that uh the lck configuration generally um we feel that the lot configurations and setbacks are in line um with what's
required there is some further review that has been identified for lot 7 and 10 which is slightly small uh slightly smaller than what the shoval fifth edition which is what the too curve development uh the minimum lot size that was set with that development so we'd like to see consistency there and just
have all the Lots brought up to that 7700 um sort of being consistent across the board uh access uh is being looked at so there's been a couple in and many discussions with the neighborhood um the too curve neighborhood and homeowners
association on this topic um and the developer I think is is trying to align with feedback that they've heard uh in order to you know get utiliz the existing um gap between the two outlots the location would be as is
shown here this was the original concept that was submitted um back in November um however uh there's been some feedback from The Neighbors that um that alignment wasn't ideal um they were concerned about headlight um spill over
into this particular lot um the way that the homes are configured there are you know windows and and entry points that kind of line up with this U where that access is and so the suggestion was to try and move it northward which the developer has proposed here the
challenge there is that in order to do that the neighborhood will need to participate and sell the property for that access to align uh with with that direction um and so I think the developer and the neighborhood are working through that negotiation um but that has not yet been settled another piece that we're looking
at is construction access so that's a a question and a point of emphasis the neighborhood has put forward uh trying to avoid using too curve for the construction component um I do think that there's opportunity here whether it be through the access roads that the city has um to get into the the storm
water ponding or you know maybe there's a temporary access that comes off um through the um through the property that's to be developed right um but I think there's conversation and opportunity to review and um put definition to how that could look but that would be the
desire um so there's been neighborhood meeting that was held on November 4 showed up uh broadly right to summarize uh the de uh questions revolved around density future development opportunities um and I've
talked through some of that this evening already um the design of the new home the size of them the basements generally speaking uh the idea is to uh fit in and mirror you know what exists today um screening requirements and that's a
point of emphasis as we're moving forward um as it pertains to the um achieving the green belt goals and then the construction that I was just discussing Planning Commission uh was the Planning Commission reviewed this on February 12th there were four
residents who spoke uh summarized that um the hoa's acquisition of the outlots and past uh correspondence with the developer was discussed um what was encouraged was the new development to be part of the shial HOA um talking about a
landscape island in the the bulb of the culdesac um which may be possible so that KAC does need to get widened a little bit to meet our fire turnaround requirements so we can take a look at that uh additional screening was discussed um connection to the existing irrigation
retention Pond um and the desire to have uh side loaded three car garages which would mirror what exists today um on too curve there was an inquiry on the design a number of street lights and sidewalks I think generally speaking we would look to be consistent what exists and make
sure that we're meeting our subdivision requirements and then um confirmation at the remainder of of that Farm uh would be undevelopable with this with this development and that is the case um so with that it received a an
unanimous vote um to recommend approval of the con of the concept plan to you all this evening so just as some summary comments um you know we'll continue to work on view sheds Landscaping building
elevations storm water preservation um construction access and those those topics that I was working through there um in additional in general uh to General feedback from the commission um if the HOA issues are resolved I guess
questioning whether there's support for that new layout so that's what's put in front of you tonight so interested in your reaction to that um and then besides more detailed Landscaping plans and cross-sections is there anything else that you feel you would need to see to make sure that that green belt um you
know uh design is being honored as as we're moving forward Beyond those kind of typical cross-sections and things that we would produce for the preliminary plan so with that um there is a public hearing um no there's not a public hearing that's an extra one I got ahead
of myself not to adopt resolution 20 2025 2015 20255 uh moving the concept plan for to okay so um um does anybody have any
questions for Nate first um I want to say that there's not a lot of roads in Chas I've never driven on this was one of them but now I can say have um so if I'm understanding correctly there's two H there's like a yeah sort of like the
Jonathan Association like there's curve has it own and curve has they're the ones that own those Outlet Lots that's correct okay and there is an appetite to move the entrance to this
CAC to allow them to do that with their out Outlast but there's not an appetite to allow these SS to be along the is because it does just like feel awkward even when I was was like it's going look
awward but their own um I think it still fits like if that's how not it on the other side then it is what it is um uh so there sidewalks on both sides I think yeah for concept
reasons I like that they're still I mean they're beautiful views of those there really nice it's a beautiful neighborhood I do appre apprciate that the ENT was moved I think that have a lot of like headlights in um in Windows
so yeah those are my thoughts I don't have any questions though I guess be what I asked um does anybody else have any thoughts or questions I guess
um i e all the same questions or comments um is anybody here from the HOA okay can I come forward because I mean yes I will okay and when you come
up just uh state your name and address record appreciate that that I'm Susan stinchfield um I live at 3740 and so I've been a resident there since 2014 um I am ALS so the president of the
HOA board chabal has seven sub associations and too is one of the seven each sub Association has its own board and it has its own governing documents and we fall under the umbrella of shelle's Master uh and also on the
master board um at first I thought you said there was no public hearing so I was a little confused there isn't a public hearing but I mean typically was mailed to us this was a public he so
a little that I'm unsure of and it jump from the preliminary concept plan to the concept plan no so this is this the concept plan so this is like the first step it's a high level look try to learn to understand no I know and it's it's a
hard World unless you're met with them numerous times sure very informative generous with their time trying to understand all this don't is very confusing so I just wanted to make sure that something had changed in
terms of what no this is you're no you're right I may have confused with my question because there are sometimes where we sometimes see properties that come as a concept plan years ago in a big picture and maybe something in the concept plan didn't go through so then
sometimes if it's like Yep they're just dusting that off because it's ready to go it would skip to the prary that's why I asked that question as Nate indicated because there's a variant difference of what was planned in that original concept plan and with this called the
sack it's still a concept plan so that might have been my confusion because I was just trying to clarify but sometimes we we literally just see like hey it's been proved once why we a lot of information that's we get it certainly education for us but um and
I'm glad to hear some of you visit have visited shabal it's a 300 acre property it's a very unique property in that there is one3 developed to 2/3 uh Green Space and you talked about your green in terms of the Farm property
the 3910 property um but it's a very wellestablished community and too is one of the neighborhoods that has 15 homes and we are a I'd say a we're not a 55 plus
Community we are a we are retired community community of mostly retired people and um and we uh were approached by a developer about
the expansion and and finishing too so our initial response was we all bought our Lots our homes with the plaing of the fifth edition which are the 15 homes and there are
homes on the east side of too two of them um the expansion uh proposal came to us with the original Master development plan which 100% of the
homeowners Who currently live there knew nothing about that so yep it was news to us that there was that till La wasn't finished and so we were posted with a mirror image when you talk about the fact that we were
unwilling to look at a mirror image there were a number of things that went into that and snow removal is a huge problem in our neighborhood so not being able to push snow to the east was going to create problems and we
were going to have to come up with some kind of way to to solve that I'm going to pause you there is snow removal City removes snow right or is it private private right yeah well I think maybe two things so this is this is a public Street oh that's what I thought I think
what you're talking about is coming out of the driveway dway we are one of two communities in shabal that has vendors for lawn service and uh snow removal okay so we have plows that come and plow
our B and when they do that they have to rep place to put the snow so as a board we know that that's going to an ongoing issue for us we've had to have trucks remove snow take it somewhere else because there's no place to put the snow
with the design of the shared driveways which you've all seen we're not we're not attached we're detached we all own our own properties our own homes we take care of all the maintenance all the does is provide snow removal and and mowing
um and maintenance of our common elements which are our outlots so we we were um uh presented with this mirror image and that brought the for the board because of those reasons so then the
developer came back and said how about we build a called the ACT well that became an issue with regards to the positioning the road so that was a very big discussion piece for the neighb was where is this road going to go and the
biggest question that came out of it was why are they accessing this Farm property for development from too and not from Bavaria or 86 because there are two other areas that we could access but we were we were told that this
comprehensive plan allowed for 10 additional homes to expand and finish too so the discussion started with the developer and we were going back and forth with plans and the emphasis was always on first safety reasons we talk
about the headlights hitting the homes that the road would been directly across from that was probably far down in the totem pole it was more about safety traffic 10 more homes potential of 20 more cars coming out of that development
toward directly across your two homes driveways so that was always a stop position for the h way because we own the outlots the area the touch point is not
large enough for a standard City Road 60 ft so we started having discussions and out of homeowner meetings he request to look at a different
position move it move it North it still impacts the neighborhood Who Um mean basically didn't ask for this Dev part too didn't want it but now
we're recognizing that we need to have conversations with the developer if it's going to go there so we started having conversations with a developer and the first attempt at granting an
easement was is not um didn't go anywhere because they wanted to keep the road or they proposed that the road was going to be right across two homes so we just said based on those pieces of information other conditions that we had
or even granting an eement we couldn't come to any mutual agreement so we said we will not Grant enement now the HOA has the authority to Grant enement or not Grant enement because we own the
outlaw we also have to follow our government documents which I understand from previous converstion with the plan commission that you guys don't really deal with our ini right no documents and the fact that we also
fall under in K was just which is the Minnesota common U ownership interest act and we haveo state stats that we have to follow so the board has a lot that it has to consider making these decisions and doing what's best for the
neighborhood and and also fing govern rules so we've had to digest a lot of information and approach this while keeping an open dialogue with the developer so now we're at a point where they've offered to move the road to the
north still not something because of the impact that that development will have on the neighborhood not ideal not of any benefit not any benefit of the
homeowners but it is a concept that we were willing to continue this dialogue with purio regarding the change the position world so so now we're at a point where um we have to make decision about
the fact that they need access into this development by taking or not taking but acquiring some of our property to do so so in further discussions we worked with the developer to try to come up with a group
of conditions that that the homeowners really need to move forward to continue conversations and go towards granting an easement and utilizing our property that we own that we purposely purchased in
2018 from the original developer to create a bucker between us and any future development of that farm because we knew we couldn't control what was happening on that farm because that would be up to the city and the zoning and we knew it was zoned R to so
we didn't know what all that meant in the long term but we knew that having those Outlets would allow us to have some controls and buffering our neighor from something that would happen to the farm never did we um feel we' be here
today talking about our Ro going off of too into that development but here we are so my question is of the council is I think I understand that this comprehensive plan that you're looking
at um it this meets those standards we have government documents that say we have to change everything because the ability to add more property to shal has
expired and so we have to change change everything to allow for additional homes so that's the first hurle we have we have and it takes 100% of our home owners to do that um U shal has 300 homes and not 230
which is reflected on the reest action um but my second question is uh when you sit when you make a decision about this concept plan do you take into consideration anything with regard to
Thea statutes for the ho govern back what I think I'm hearing from you is you don't you don't really evaluate that the cities or Zing yeah I mean the the wish is always that HOA work together and
that homeowners work and developers work with HOAs you know uh we have a lot of different ho in our city I mean we have one of the largest if not the largest in Minnesota in the city Jonathan and so
you know the goal is that people work together yes to find common ground and I think it's to the benefit of the homeowners on the street as much as it is the developer wanting to develop the homes that's on that street as well just
for your information the if this development were to proceed and the HOA were to Grant an easeland for that purpose the HOA would not uh they they wouldn't have that
development be there without it being part of the homeowners association either at the chero level or the chel level it's not in our best interest to have development sitting out there that's not for theoy they enter into our
right our yeah public streets but it's our entrances of which we have two really only serve the people that live there sure but also have many amenities that are part of that HOA that we wouldn't be able to control that those
10 new homes have access to all our amenities just a question more for staff here I assume that that would be negotiated with the easement situation because we certainly have situations where the city has no ability to govern Ina and I can use my specific I'll give
a good example of it is my street is uh an extension of a street that already existed which is in Jonathan and when we came in it should have by All rights been put in Jonathan but at the time the Jonathan
board decided that they did not want any more homes in the in their Association so it creates exactly the situation you're talking about is that we utilize the amenities of the Jonathan Association but we don't contribute from
a Do's perspective uh it's it's it's not right it's what it is but that's something we don't control as a city that was something that Jonathan decided on their own but to answer your question I I think if there's a if there's a
negotiation going on in this process to me that would be a very smart thing to have as part of that discussion yeah I do want to I don't want the risk of getting into the HOA discussion too far I do want to reflect that the Planning Commission mean this was discussed um
you know in a lot of detail um and there were members there representing the shal neighborhood association as a whole um what I heard is that the shal neighborhood association was receptive to including this potential development
um I'm hearing you all say that you know you would like that to happen as well and I was also hearing the developers say that they're interested in that discussion so I think there's Common Ground yeah there's Common Ground that's and the real the benefit of everybody well the benefit here is 10
more homes to spread the cost of your amenities across if believe you me the bottom line 10 Homes at $42 per home isn't going to change our lives it's actually be going to be a much bigger burden on our small little HOA of too to
manage home our homes because we are a volunteer board we do things with the use of the time of volunteers and and when you add more people you add more but you also could have the ability that you'd have 10 interested people to join
your HOA you never know you know too Cur is a sub Association within chabal there's other sub associations chal yeah yes this addition could result in either joining the curve or sub Association so
there's Cur besides homes it's too much to manage maybe it becomes it's own sub Association yeah it would be weird up one street it would but I mean it it's not it has it's not me that exists in my we're going to talk about EXC Woods here in next right and
that's exactly my situation they come in on Founders they go down and they drive right through it's not unheard of I think it happens these are all things that get sorted out yeah and and that's a continuing conversation yes it takes time and it takes effort and it and it
takes voting at either level of the h8 so okay so I have a question I know that that's but I I also know the the spirit of this in terms of this development if it were to occur and if it were to go
through shal if it were to go off of too yeah there would be a lot of U strong feelings about them being part of one or the other H so that was not really the barrier the barrier here is the fact
that too owns the aut box sure I understand that you you answer negotiating with developer which we're in the process of doing we have certain things that we require to move forward
with these discussions so that's what my last question was and it was interesting that you tabled the request at the last discussion my question was if indeed we are not at the point where the developer can get an easement from us or we're in
those discussions of negotiations is this something that tables this because the development may you Pro Bas ordinances but
yeah he can answer theity this go ahead so right now we're at a concept level uh my understanding is that based on discussion that we had developer univ institution you all want to understand whether this would be concept at City
level to help inform your negotiations right um so that's that's why we moved forward with bit yes yes what happened so naturally right in order to move forward with the preliminary plan which would be the next step in the process um the developers need to show that they
have control of that access that's that's a that's a condition of approval in concept night that in order to get to the next step they need to have the access control negotia all you
know y so yes so we yeah this is high level we're looking at the design concept and um at this point that's a condition for them to move forward to that next step
so so Council would and the commission would encourage this continued conversation I would encourage the dialog develop absolutely I would I would encourage you guys to to get it sorted out step
further and say it's required yes yeah this go forward without access cross home that's what we understand yes and and I and I think to be perfect ly framed it
is the association's way of having some control over what happens in this development because we have to give them access so when we talk about
the things that were brought up that the neighborhood discussed that they wanted and they didn't want to com two homes and that impact they didn't want they want green space and buffering and planting and all those considerations and we also want to
negotiate some other things that we feel are reasonable sure and you it sounds like you're going to work that out I'm actually gonna have the developer come up and talk a little bit but I really appreciate your time know we've been very transparent yep no I get it it's
just it's almost you know I I want to make sure you guys can get a good night's sleep and yeah appreciate no absolutely I appreciate you coming up giving a little bit of back history for us as well and um it sounds like you guys are going to
yep it's a requirement that you guys gotta work it out y thank you come on up and evening everyone my name is Meg R I'm ATT Hoffman i Adventures and then development consultant for this project
uh so appreciate the time that you have taken to hear uh more about our ongoing work at the stud tonight um and happy to answer any questions that you might have uh one of the things that I'll I'll just raise to you and part of our original concept and application of course um is
that the original location for the connection of the stove rep paral which is the paral to too curve um at the at that smaller amount the the less than the 60 foot r that you traditionally see as part of your approvals um with approv
under the original plat with the concept The Outlaw will be retained by the developer um in order to facilitate them in moving forward and to provide a specific point of access um and so our our underline property owner the sters understood that to provide access to develop those 10
Lots uh moving forward and then of course caters took over uh and are and the ho was able to purchase those lots um but ultimately what we're bringing before you tonight um are for 10 ls that are consistent with the existing properties uh they are uh designed to be
a luxury home product um they will have walk out basements or full basements I did hear the interest in the Villa Lots uh from the the council tonight and the basements are preference with the HOA um we've been engaged in in conversation
with the AA for just over a year now and we have an Loi that has gone back and forth theti Council pu has me um and we're working to find a remedy and a solution that will benefit uh both the existing home sites and the res cha a
couple of things I'll just draw your attention to in the concept plan um we're setting back these HS over 60 ft from the existing uh from the existing rway along the so there really will be a full separation between the existing neighborhood and sort of a a rolling
verm up through into the new property um that will create that will allow retention of the existing trees if you driven the site you'll see there long way those will be able to be retained um although the H there are number of as trees and there new see have to do our
development process um and then furthermore along the Bavaria roadside one of the things that the original master plan concept called for um is the sort of creation of the screen space in bua uh and and that is part of the project that people'll see before you at
the um and so with all of those things in mind we we commit to continue uh work with the HOA and we know that this property is valuable as uh as either an independent HOA or as an addition to too HOA and part of the chal uh Association
and that's what these homeowners We Believe are going to want and I happy to answer any questions that you may have for me at this time I have one more question the outlaw that will surround these homes with the HOA who owns that then so either the new HOA or the existing HOA
will own that um and that's an area space there yes no absolutely of that will be preserved um through conservation Deeds as well so um this will be a pretty special property have any questions for
her wonderful thank you all right so any any other discussion from anybody any I would say you know uh I've walked your neighborhood a few
times door knocked now maybe knocked on your doors um you have a beautiful neighborhood you have beautiful homes um very friendly neighbors infills are always extremely difficult the idea of you know what how is this going to look how is this going to disrupt our views
our life the traffic those are all very common questions and very valid questions to ask I'm grateful to hear that you guys are working together in collaboration with them in order to kind of come up with hopefully an agreed upon um HOA and easement solution that will
best benefit both um the existing homeowners and the future ones and I always look at it in a more of a positive light of you know you might have some new interested bodies in your HOA if you decide to decide to absorb them and but you also in the long run would have new neighbors that would be a
wonderful asset um for the community and your neighborhood so those are my concept or those are my comments um and also just IR iterating that this is a a concept plan so it's a very high level uh look at this this uh development
so with that and entertain a motion to adopt resolution number 20255 approving the concept plan for too curve at 39 3910 Bavaria road so moved okay got um motion by council member
Benish second and second by council member Hatfield any other further discussion on this all right all those in favor say I I I oppose same sign all right car thank you guys for coming
in there's only one left all right moving right along we have 8C we have motion to adopt resolution number 20257 and 20258 vacating a portion of the drainage and utility easement in the rear of lots
2 and three block two in scon woods uh Johnson Ryland Builders and remod remodelers PC number 2025 d01 here C I'll turn this one over to Nate man Nate well she just turned herself off
so again my apologies that you listen to me suppos espe um so this one is a public hearing just want to be clear on that so this relates to wiconsin woods so um just recall sconed Woods uh is access through
Founders way um and Founders path and then um really begins in the area that I'm circling here the subject properties of this particular item are are circled in Red so it's two lots of that development we're focused on drainage
and and utility easement vacation here tonight all right so Ashley put something together it looks like John Madden might have done it I like yeah so summarize what this is um boom down this path so actually yeah
this is this is where the TR gen utility eement exists so these red areas are what's being proposed um for vacation um when this development was put forward it was thought that uh drainage and sorry that drainage Overland drainage would
effectively come through this area back in here um through the final grading plans that was redirected um so that public drainage was directed to the street um right in here and so as a result uh this area is
not taking water like it was in initially thought it would um and so the you know the utility or the purpose behind that easement um in the final form doesn't exist and so what you know the developer is asking for tonight is
to vacate uh those unnecessary drainage and utility easements on Lots two and three um to effectively you know make the lots a little bit more usable for the end user at the end of the day um so you know we've had other situations where you know people want to put in a
pool or or maybe do an expansion on their home or whatever right and we've had utility easements um that can act their ability to do that um in a situation where that utilties when it's necessary into the future making that opportunity available to folks um seems
to make sense so staff has reviewed it um you know we're we're in agreement that these uh easements that were originally pled um because of the change that has occurred um are really no longer necessary to so again the request here um are
these areas that are in red would be vacated um which then you know removes that um unnecessary at this point restriction on the property so following a public hearing um we'd be looking for two motions tonight one would be for the first would
be for resolution 20257 which Vates uh portion of the dra engine utility easement on lot two block two of in Ed Woods and then the second motion to adopt resolution 20258 uh which vacates portion
of so we need both motions separately follow any questions seems pretty straightforward yeah oh yeah no no questions um um okay so I have to open a public
hearing all right so I'm opening a public hearing at 10:02 would anybody like to come forward to speak on this matter this this your first public hearing this is my first public hearing I know you guys is one
your first I know don't mess it up true all right I don't see anybody running up to the podium over here so I am going to close this public hearing at 10:03 there you go you didn't have to make up the time
no I just kind of eased right into that PA the big bucks intended with ease and E yep I'm on fire tonight out yes it is okay uh all right well with that being said no one came up uh I would like to
if no one has any questions or comments on this I'd like to entertain a motion to adopt resolution number 20257 approving the vacation of a portion of the drainage and utility easement in the rear lot of in the rear of lot two lot two in scon woods 719
scon Woods second okay so I have a motion by ccil member Hatfield and a second by council member gra any other discussion all those in favor say I I post same sign that carries all right and then we
have another motion a motion to adopt resolution number 2025-the by council member chevin all those any other discussion all those in favor say I post same sign and that carries as
well I'll just comment the those housers are great back there they just really look nice it's G to been a nice you talk about your earlier comment about going through idea of this neighborhood that's not connected to the neighborhood and bid good neighbors and how does it fit in and uh walk through that space quite
a bit and um I'm on a Corner up the hill I literally steer into it so it's kind of been fun watching and we had some good wrinkles with moving vehicles and construction that was a fun time when that was all happening I think that's past us but it's I think it's really I think neighborhood's getting really excited to welcome and see those
neighbors got to get to warmer weather so we can actually interact with people living in there now because we're all kind of hibernating IND doors but it's just a good example to as you alluded to like it always gets nerve-wracking when oh this is been added to our neighborhood and how is this going to feel and look and all this
and to your point it all comes in and people are people and it's good to add people to the community those H they are no they're beautiful goad I was just going to say they're like a good example of that you don't have to like put the same freaking cookie cutter house everywhere
D she's so passionate about thank you for your honesty I love it I live in a 125y old house for Rea but I I just think that the like Custom Homes it's just nice to see a builder do that every once in a while and like I'm not the biggest fan of big
expensive houses either but I still think they're stuning and do I still drive around in there for fun yes they're beautiful they gorgeous homes I when I chel is a gorgeous neighborhood too that they chel is a very gorgeous neighborhood when I was in that neighborhood earlier this summer
campaigning I'm one of your new neighbors are actually old clients of mine that used to live in WC conia so yay we we just have fun it's good it's just like I said I just wanted to throw that out there because it's that neighbor our neighborhood went through that same conversations that
everyone does when we're like infill and how this connect and but I honestly think that they will to your point Nate do a great job in chabal because that is also a beautiful neighborhood and they've kept it in the green space so beauti I mean it's like every single one of those little neighborhoods in there
is special it's a really cool neighborhood yes all right well now we get to move on to the exciting portion of bills so with that being said does
anybody have a question on a bill I get attention and found them I looked through I didn't see anything that was worthy but okay well was little to no
discussion on that uh I would entertain a motion wait we you do motion yeah we do oh my gosh okay thank you it is late okay I would entertain a motion to approve bills all right mot okay motion by council member Hatfield and second by
council member Benish any other discussion on this all right let's have a roll call Vote Yes yes yes hi hi okay I do it every time all right moving
along we have other business let's start with council member catfield yes few just a few things I'll be quick um really nice turnout at the downtown business Alliance meeting we had on Valentine's Day because we love downtown um there that meeting was very
intentional with Max Music coming um and kind of it was like a mini strategy session kind of yeah um and it was just a great turnout lots of businesses came um it's not often at that meeting that we're like trying to find more chairs for
people so it was very nice to see um and I thought everyone participated I think they graciously allowed myself mayor Hub um to participate as well we were sitting with Steve from the Chamber of Commerce and kind of got to like participate and put up our thoughts but
it was just really interesting to hear the downtown businesses um kind of talk about what they're looking for um and what they want downtown to look like so um yeah that's that but I appreciate all of them coming and appreciate
mayor hubard coming as well and all of staff there was some extra staff as well so um just a good meeting and I'm really excited to see what comes on of that um and kind of the side to that there is a survey on um Facebook I'm sure it's on the website as well uh about downtown
that residents are encouraged to go fill out um and I I strongly urge you to like I'm genuinely so um excited to kind of see the results of that there's also a business survey that went out be email so if you're looking for that it should be in your email um from the downtown
business Alliance so um encourage participation on those things especially if you want of those commentary on Facebook you fill the survey out um so there's that um and then the went to the highway 1041
meeting it was like packed immediately very good turnout um as I'm hav't mentioned in the um biweekly very good turnout like I was there pretty much right after 4:30 parking that was packed there was a ton of people in that room so um I thought the the boards and
everything described it well um the counting is there explaining things I pass on my feedback when I was heing a lot of it pass around the room was just the timing of things like when in when when is this piece going to be closed when is this piece going to be closed and like I said I passed that on to
their project team to um answer so um that was that and then the thing coming up which this looks really fun and I wish I had a to but um CCC Carnival is happening on March 7th 5:30 to 7:30 it's dinosaur themed or prehistoric them
maybe is a better way to put that um and donations are requested for the to depart inter scholarship um fund honoring Nick Mason so good event and excited to see that as a way to get some donations for that very meaningful fund
and you a kid you want yeah yeah I'll give you a couple I'll borrow you I have a from holding my um this one can walk on his own yeah okay I'll be babysitting on the night of March 7th it sounds like but
anyways that was the only things I had okay wonderful all right moving along Cil Benish uh the only things I have is uh this past Friday and Saturday I been privilege of attending the league of Minnesota City's newly elect leaders conference I couldn't go Saturday due to
illness but Friday I was there and I learned a lot met a lot of cool people it was very interesting you can see so many new elected leaders and there were also experienced leaders there as well not in the same room but there were over 300 of us toal which was really awesome and it was nice to just Network and hear
what other people from other areas of the state had to say um and it was good discussion so we learned a lot of good things and then upcoming um next Sunday as some of you may now know I am an A M Golf and golf Zone in chasa has a
awesome indoor mini golf facility um next Sunday the American mini golf Alliance is hosting one of their only one of only two uh National tournaments here at golf Zone it's the coziest open
um it starts at 9:00 a.m. at golf Zone uh there are divisions for pros there are divisions for amateurs there are divisions for juniors um I'm bringing my whole family will be a good time and hopefully I'll come out with some extra
C all right professional mini golfers there are way more in Europe than there are in the United States they're very good it's amazing the things you learn right all right uh council member shein I only um want to say that Sak
Cody does a great job with her POS line yes yes yes I have very much appreciated reading that and um knowing what they're all doing and then I did and I really was hoping to find it now and I can't are any of you speaking at the seventh graders at the middle school um or any
of the other ones of you because I said I would and then I was like I hope it wasn't a fishing thing so oh no no yep that's uh that's an annual thing that the no that's that that's valid that's extremely valid because I got like three fishing scams from potasi this week so
I'm like yeah from fake you from fake you from I got one that said it was from me I was getting my own invoice I got it from him and I I sent it and they said that it was a fishing and then I yeah exactly was that wrong he asked me for my
banking he first said can I have your banking information then he said I need you to confirm your cell phone number and then he said if you could put your Social Security and I'm like wow Matt what do you need all this for yeah so then when I got the like do you want to speak the middle school I'm
like oh this is fishing no yeah I have a conflict but it's good okay well I did to do that there was some room like at the end of the day it's really just me and one of the Carver County Commissioners no I'm I signed up for the very last Chan has also sign up to he did update that list
oh did he you should probably reach out to him just to get it because it's changed Matt yeah it's changed anyway anyway I'm very excited to um talk to the middle schooler so that's exciting that we're interacting with them yeah yeah no it is it's it's a really fun um
it's a really fun event the middle schoolers always have uh a lot of really unique questions so they ask you how much you get paid yeah they'll ask that's why you kind of take a poll to find out where they think you get paid and then they get the St reality of what it actually we've spent five hours here
tonight so I know basketball yeah or what their parents have said about us which is excitingly fun to hear bet so I bet that's great uh okay wonderful well moving right along
uh I don't know how much it's late we've been here since 5 30ish um I had the fortune experience to attend my first Southwest Transit meeting on Thursday uh Michaela was maybe a little worried since we didn't have a council money meeting that I was going to maybe not
remember that it was the third Thursday of the month nailed it even though she did text me like hey just you know you can park up top like I'm like that was kind of a that was a nice message but it was also Park like a like what are you talking about so that I was good it was really good to just kind of meet that
group and and understand and um have an appreciation for the chair who really is like you know similar like we find ourselves somewhat doing here like not making assumptions that everyone knows what we're talking about because I certainly didn't know what they're all talking about and learning so I look
forward to that uh that experience and in that connection because um as I explained to others as I was telling them that I'm now on this at work and co-workers and such and you know shasa residents uh you know I had the conversation it's like you know there's
just the the opt outs and they're like what and I'm just going through that just like it's as simple as this it's like you know like there's the benefit to the city of things like buses 2 State title games and uh the lights out at the arboro and like that stuff a lot of
people probably take 100% for granted and think it just happens but it doesn't and and it wouldn't happen in every scenario in every city um so that was super exciting and then lastly I'm just going to pull this off the um the
bi-weekly here just the years of s recognition breakfast uh I don't know the details because the people will be invited to all the details but I just want to appreciate recognition and Service uh I am for years in there yeah I am fortunate enough to work for a company that has a lot of super awesome
recognition and understand that huge value of people who commit to a service and you know aren't just looking for a job they build a career and so appreciate all those being recognized and um just a shout out because again I don't things don't happen in the City by
accident it happens because good people are doing good jobs um and so there's more than the ones that are just having recognition but for that day it's their day they get to have that recognition service so uh I appreciate that so and that's all I have wonderful all right I
think Jung hits 40 years if I remember it was he was one there were two that hit 40 years what is what is the longest who's the who's the longest 10 probably Jack worm yeah I think he was at 43 years that's awesome yeah maybe 45 I
don't think it was 45 though we've got a medic that just hit 45 years of here wow wow yeah wow can't IM God that's like a high stress career yeah and I would say I'll Echo that and just add not that's my time
that our city staff like Denise and um Vicki are so excited they were showing me like the new implementation of the appreciation like the you know some of the new things that they have come up with so it's just and that you guys and at least I think you were on that group
that you guys all work together to kind of reformulate some of that that's really neat to see that there you know there's excitement about providing that recognition and appreciation to to everybody in the city staff so but it's
not my time you're uh the only thing I'll just mention is just pay attention to the schedule for next week um if you're able to come for a tour of the public safety center we'll meet at 4:30 up at the public safety center and we'll have safety equipment for you and then we'll
come back and most of the evening is going to be work session type stuff we have to have a short meeting uh for a couple items are on there um but we're going to talk uh finish up the retreat stuff uh so we'll come back with uh sort of uh we're spending tomorrow morning
sort of talking about the implementation stage of so we'll be bringing that back and then uh we'll also be talking about marijuana so uh uh we have to we have to uh pass an ordinance here as as licenses
will soon be issued by the state so okay uh especially since there's two of you that weren't on the first work uh session that we have in this um uh we'll s of start over from scratch but there's there's stuff that that we've learned uh
even since the last work session too so on my way in today it was smelled very strongly of it in the courtyard so some welcome to Minnesota yeah Kristoff got anything no Nate Nate
stocked it off don't at least you've been quiet this whole time oh well all right uh I have like a laundry list because it was like three weeks I'll try to go fast one I want to thank our Planning Commission members for coming to the work session on record tonight
because that was time out of their busy lives to come and do the work session um in regards to kind of our building codes and ordinances and all that and that fun planning works so um also I don't know if we're going to officially have certificates for them but I want to
thank our exiting commission members that you know some of the members um have termed out or um other things that just thank them for their time and and valued uh you know commitment that they had to the city so we really appreciate all the efforts that were put forward
from all of our commission members uh I kept the thing so I would remember but but Matt and I had the uh privilege of attending the AC Minnesota 2025 engineering excellence awards this
last Friday so um the highway 41 project received one of the grand Awards and so nothing more exciting than being in a room full of Engineers talking about engineering product projects um and the variety of projects but it was it was
really fun to be able to get to chat with um the Bolam in team and um talk about the project talk about the work that everybody put forward I know we've said it a million times but I just don't think we can say it enough just like how
much time you guys all spent and how valued it is that you guys put that forward and it's really exciting and welld deserved to see the recognition come across on these industry Awards so thank I thought the funniest part of the night was Steve
Patterson was the MC and to hear him have to say all those engineering terms was hilarious he actually used the word Sledge at one point in time or sludge or whatever it was sludge he was like early in the morning it was time Kim
Kardashian and I'm talking about like or something that like I think the staff literally had years taken out life working on that project and I just cannot be understated how appreciated that is because like just things you
would never imagine like helping take wine bottles out of the LI s they don't fall down when there's Vibra like just crazy help you know things that are at least offering things like that so uh I think that's can't be you know forgotten
or miss that just how much work they did and that was a very good partner too yeah absolutely the one thing I didn't realize until uh one of the Bolton M staff had sent a note thanking yeah
150 uh staff members from Bolton and M that touched that at some point in time unbelievable I mean that was I mean that was a huge project but that that even Shack me yeah so no it was good it was
well earned um with that just as like a side note because they want a gr award there they are eligible for a national award and so they put in the paperwork for that yeah so I don't know I guess uh
so they will uh make will uh let us know mes forward I can't remember what the timeline was it's not far from now is that his name the engineer Eng I can't remember gonna be part of the award C uh okay moving along but I know council
member hat Phil talked about the the downtown business Alliance meeting with the musicant group it was it was great it was well attended um Echo the same feedback it was fun to see though uh that the businesses all kind of uh
generally had the same ideas as far as what they felt like things that were missing things that were assets so it was really kind of great to hear their feedback and also know that the things that they're talking about are the same things that we talk about internally and so there's a lot of um similar
communication happening there and yes we have the surveys and it's kind of interesting to see like for the city posting it on social media there were over 100 comments and I think like 25 shares so I don't have no idea how many comments are are actually on the actual
survey itself I'm hopeful that that kind of frenzy on online translates into a lot of really great uh uh participation for people taking that survey so we can get that feedback uh we were able to meet this is like weeks ago now because
it's been a while with the our lobbyist for the city Square West project um it was a great meeting it actually happened right before the legislature finally made their agreement so we talked a lot about like what's going to happen how long could this happen and then literally that night you get home and
it's like oh they struck an agreement so um happy to say you know that's got put forward hopefully have wheels on the ground with that but I am hopeful I talked to Senator Coleman uh last weekend and she's like I'm she said she
put in a a to have a hearing you know for us on the docket so she's like be ready and so I'm excited about that um Christmas in May they're looking for Homeowner applications so if you know of
anybody that lives in chasa that maybe can't financially or physically uh do home repair or Landscaping on the exterior of their home um you feel like might be good candidates go ahead and
um send them to yeah let Matt know uh that's important and then our next oh our next meeting is March 3rd uh on Monday which is next week and we do have
that work session you mentioned that but to end and close out this my son is turning 10 on Wednesday so just like coun gr I got to do a birthday shout out for my kid because he's gonna be double digits coming up on Wednesday so happy
birthday um otherwise that's it for me and anything else that we have a Eda quick oh yeah we do have an Eda quick meeting after this okay so well with that I um will entertain a motion to adjourn motion to adjourn all right have
motion from uh council member gra second second from council member Benish uh all those in favor say I I I post okay we're adjourned all right I'm not gonna P that g let's just can we go to the bathroom Qui uh can we go to the bathroom yes we
can we J that meeting and the next we'll start so you're the reason you're the reason Steve was late to his son's game on Saturday oh Saturday no he told us he was gonna be down in Rochester e
e e e oh yeah got birthday shout outs all right CH just let me know when you're ready we are ready okay um I like to
call this meeting of the chasa Economic Development Authority to order uh Monday for Monday February 24th at 10:30 um roll call please here
pres sh here here uh here all all right moving right along we have an agenda in front of us uh I'd entertain a motion to adopt the agenda motion okay all right I have a motion from commissioner
chevin and a second from commissioner hfield um any discussion any corrections any I forgot to say that but um okay uh with that uh all those in favor say I I post same sign all right uh agenda has
been adopted and we also have some previous meeting minutes to approve from January 27th 2025 um any corrections or additions on the um Eda
minutes with if not uh I would entertain a motion to adopt the minutes motion to adopt meeting minutes all right uh have a motion from commissioner hfield second second from commissioner gra any other discussion not all those in favor say I
I oppose same sign okay minutes have adopted and then that brings us to our um discussion items which is 5A the Eda resolution number 2025-the on your consent agenda that goes along with this item um that item on your
consum AGA was actually improving a lot spit uh for the property that we'll be talking about this by um for as you as most of you know we've been working with the Klein family who is the property owners of gold Cooper um grocery store
as they've gone through the Cooper closing and figuring out what they're going to do next with the the property um as part of that discussion we've talked to that about there is a small piece of green space at the very
southern end of their their property uh along wellnut Street there and um they've talked about um the opportunity to donate that to the city um or to meet to the Eda in particular and this would
allow us to be able to square off we own the property just directly south of there this would allow us to be able to square off that part allow for um future Redevelopment opportunities with the way that personal is configured now that the EA owns it's
very tough to do any sort of Redevelopment um being able to accept this land donation will greatly improve our um opportunities there um so really as we've been working with the client family we've been waiting for a buyer to
come along so that this transaction will happen um pretty much simultaneously um there is a what we believe is a buyer um and they are working through the process with the client family and so therefore that's
why um they R for the lot split that the council approved earlier tonight and then this land donation that thec so um this has been worked on by our City attorney the land go e agreement that is in your pet this evening there may be
some modifications however we've given um the ability to to um make any um minor changes that may come about from what you see in there so what s is asking is that
the resolution 202 20259 that is that right in behind KFC the old KFC um on the back of the parking lot yeah yeah it's kind of where that food truck is yeah J yeah okay
M that's a great question um no I mean I think that that's great you know it's just exciting I know I didn't know how public the information you know but seen it on the agenda it's like where things are headed with Cooper that space and you know there was there's always in you
know the community you know like what's you know what's going on in that space and everything so it's just very exciting to see that kind of makes makes it feel like moving forward and it's going to happen so um that would be my my comment and and just the usability of
that by absorbing or having that that be as part of that so uh any other questions or comments I mean it's pretty clear so okay so with that being
said um I'd Entertain Entertain a motion to adopt uh Ed resolution 20259 approving a land donation agreement motion to approve oh who wants to be first goad we geted okay all right
I will say uh motion by council member or commissioner chevin and second by commissioner uh Benish uh any other discussion if not all those in favor say I I I oppose same sign all right uh it
carries okay uh that moves us right along to other business anybody have any other Ed business that they'd like to discuss no okay there we go second all right so I have a motion from commissioner Hatfield and a second from
commissioner gr to adjourn uh all those in favor say I I I post you're adjourned I remember my question was um for