Recording in progress. Those [Laughter] are never good. >> I was just thinking that. >> All right. Good. >> Good evening and welcome to the Chesca City Council meeting for Monday, August
18th. This is 7 o'clock. I'm calling this meeting to order. Let's go ahead and stand up for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all. >> All right, Elise, will you please call roll? >> Council member Hfield >> here. >> Council member Bennish here. >> Council member Chevlin >> here. Council GR >> here. >> Mayor Huard >> here. All right, that moves us along to the agenda. Does anybody have any
additions or corrections to the agenda? Otherwise, I'd entertain a motion to adopt the agenda. >> Motion to adopt. >> We have a motion from council member Hatfield and a second from council member Grath. >> All those in favor say I. >> I.
>> All right, agenda is adopted. Let's move along to visitor presentations. Looks like we have a few here. So, we're going to start it off with the GTO program recap with Aiden and Griffin. I don't know who's coming forward,
but it looks like Chaza's finest is stepping up to the plate. >> I am. >> Hello, Officer Martine. >> They're going to come up and our wonderful cadetses. >> Good evening, everybody. My name is um Officer Martine Godz. I work for the
Chaz Police Department. Um and we are here for our GTO graduation. Um I did write a little a little something. Um so within the last eight weeks, our cadets Aiden and Griffin have learned so much about our city and what each employee does to make it safe, fun, livable, and
why the city of Chaza is the best small town in Minnesota. That one's for you, Matt. >> Oh, thanks. >> Yeah. Uh they started their journey by meeting me for the first time at Strikers um to get fitted for their uniforms. And I will never forget when Aiden came out of the dressing room and
saw himself saw himself in the mirror. I said, "Oh boy." Uh as he began twerking in uniform, I myself, "Okay, this is going to be interesting but fun, right?" A few months later, a few months later, both
Aiden Griffin were sworn in by Mayor Huard and Chief Cybert. The following eight weeks they visited with city admin finance team Chazapi Chesca talent course where they met handsome John. I did not name him. They did.
I'm >> sure he loved that. >> Uh CHAS uh Chaza FD communications, water and sewer, Chaza Community Center, Parks and Wreck, Electric Department, and Public Works. Many divisions last week. Although Griffin seemed more reserved um
when I first met him, Kevin Wright learned that Griffin 2 likes to jam out specifically to country music by fist pumping at its at its full volume. >> Right. >> Or as Kevin said, I don't think my volume has ever been that loud in my car.
>> You want to play the >> We'll play a video recap of what we've done. I'm so doesn't take [Music] [Music] out the
ad slot. This must been your administration day. >> Oh, fire department. >> Oh, >> another fan favorite. >> There you go. >> Oh.
>> Oh, you guys got to fly the drones. >> That says police rules on the fire chief's office. Nate looks very enthusiastic there. >> I have done that. That's hard work. >> Oh, the community. >> But I have not driven a Zamboni. Congrats, guys.
>> No. Nice. >> Hey, we have alumni. >> Oh, hard hat stickers. Look at you. Towns handsome John. >> Yeah. Lions. >> Oh yeah. We had our interviews. Cool.
Oh, the bucket. >> Oh, wow. >> Were you guys scared? That was pretty high up the power back on the house. >> I think climbed the highest. >> Oh, did you? Good job. >> Jump.
Oh, nice. >> Oh, wa. Look at you. Greens keepers. >> That's awesome. Oh. >> Oh, that's so cute. >> It's great. >> That's it. Perfect.
A >> um so fortunately Chief Cyro couldn't be here tonight. Um but this is the part where Chief would ask each one of you a question. He would ask which department was the best one you visited. >> Fire. >> Fire. >> Yes.
>> Nice. >> Police. >> Police. >> You like that answer? [Laughter] Um, I just want to say to say uh to the both of you that we all enjoyed having you be a part of our city for the last eight
weeks. Um, we hope you enjoyed it too. And um, I would like to give each one of you our newest challenge coin. Okay. It's important to remember that receiving a police challenge coin is a gesture of honor and respect, signifying recognition for one's actions and
highlighting the importance of the law enforcement community. Thank you to all our wonderful departments within the city of Chaza that have always welcomed our cadetses and showed them so many things. Thank you to Alex from Empower and Inclusion um for helping uh for helping put this program together
and obviously to Aiden and Griffin's family in the city of Chaza. Thank you everybody. All right. Good job, guys. >> Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, gentlemen. >> You want to say? >> Yeah. You got
>> Now's the time. >> Don't get rid. >> Yeah. Did you go pretty high on the second day? Right. >> Electric work. >> Electric. >> Electrical work. >> Driving around having ice cream.
>> Too many breaks. >> Final job around. >> All right. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Um I love I love please I love city
um I love see please and then please >> All right. >> Okay. Yeah. >> Very cool. and and um and um
that and then and I love um I love I love that and then that and I love I love that and because and I um I
love city and I like um a city and country and whole lot country love and that all can do that >> that thanks >> thank you
>> do we get to find out why it's handsome John >> would you like to explain >> who >> why John Schmidt is handsome John >> oh yeah >> because because I love him a How much did he pay you for that cover?
>> Happy to get that. >> Kevin, you are the best dude ever. >> Great. >> I love you and I miss you. >> A love you guys, too. >> Oh, so good. >> Well, it's been so fun to watch you guys through social media and to see your
slideshow and to see all the fun and and um interactive things that you were able to do. you guys were both able to grow and be able to see um skills and develop and kind of it sounds like hone in on what you like um being fire and police and so it's just been a wonderful
journey walking with you guys. Thank you so much for being a part of this. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Yeah, let's do a picture. >> Maybe Aiden can do a selfie with all of us in the background. Cara, I love you.
>> Scooches like come stand right here. >> Got it. >> Awesome. heading. >> Okay, he wants >> Oh, you guys come on back. >> Come on back. He was trying to get one more.
>> You know what's fun is getting a selfie from a sign in the middle right here. >> Get in here. There we go. All right. One, two, three. >> There you go. >> Thank you.
>> Thank you for everything you guys do. >> It was such a pleasure. >> Thank you. >> Thanks, sir. >> Love you. >> Love you, too. This your hat? >> Thank you. >> I moved you
>> Sophia. I know you're not coming tonight. So I love you and Sophia and Ch, but those are my friends. >> All right. >> I missed them so much that Best Buddies leadership conference is
Hannah and Yeah. and my friends are going to miss me a lot. And then I'm going your best buddies picnic to thank you for coming. Kevin, Kyle, Luke,
Jo, and Kevin and Ian Shepard. Thank you all so much for coming. And I love you, too. >> All right. Thanks, Aiden. >> Thank you guys for coming out. All right. Well, guess what, Marshall?
You got big shoes to fill. You're up next on this agenda. Southwest Park Master Plan update. Take it away. >> I follow that. All right, let me go ahead and get my screen ready here. >> What' you say?
>> Look at the mirror. >> Oh, yeah. That is kind of like there you are and then there you are. >> All right. Now, that's all done. It'd be fun if he was sitting right here and then it' be like that 3D mirror effect.
>> Okay. All right. We ready? >> Absolutely. >> Thank you, Mayor and Council. I'm excited to be here um before you again to uh talk about the Southwest Chesa Park Plan and give you kind of an update on where things are
at. So tonight, what I thought we would do is um just go back and review a little bit of the process and what uh got us up to um the the point here tonight from the last time we met. Uh we'll talk
through the phase two um community engagement results and then finish with next steps and questions. So, as you remember back on May 8th, we conducted a Parka Palooa event um over at the Chaza Community Center. That
event was um really in response to our phase one community engagement and taking the um kind of the top themes we heard from that um to start developing uh three different concept plans. Um and
from there, we reviewed those plans. If you recall, we had a joint work session where we received some feedback um from both the council and the park and recck commission. And then from there, we went back and we developed um
these three concept plans that um we were going to position then for our phase two um community engagement um to get feedback on them. Um, one thing I would like to point out here and just kind of anchor us a little bit when we developed these concept
plans, we really were at that point still trying to be aspirational in the planning process. So, these plans really were meant to showcase the variety of things that could be incorporated um throughout the park, how things could
fit on the park um and then generally play off of the top three themes that uh the community um had expressed sort of their desire for the park to be in the future um which were sport, nature, and play. We
kind of knew all along going into this that, you know, in the very end we're going to end up with a mix of those themes. This was just a way to sort of present it and I would say maybe honor the original feedback we got and sort of show the community that we heard them.
Um, also when we went into this um next round of engagement, we weren't really asking people to pick one of the themes. It was really trying to get feedback on all three of the themes. So once we landed on those three concepts, we then worked quite a bit
with um our consultants at Confluence to update our project website and get it prepared for um community engagement. And so we had each of the three concepts up on the site um where people could go
in and um there's some fun little toggle buttons that people could click on and it would open a little bit more of a um a picture and an explanation of what's being shown in the concepts. Um and then below each of the concepts, we had a few
open-ended questions u where we we were seeking feedback um from people on and then we had sort of an overall concept survey um for people to take as well. So once the project website was up and
ready, we then um spent uh July 10th through August 6th really promoting those concepts and the project um website to try to drive people to the site and give us their feedback. So we were out at our two largest community events this summer at Fire and Ice um
and River City Days um where um it was great just intercepting people. Um, I was there at Fire and Ice and I think we had people at that table pretty much consistently the whole afternoon. Um, we followed up with all of the focus
group um, individuals that we met with, sent them an email uh, gave them an update and uh, steered them towards the project website. We utilized social media um, to make people aware of it. Um, we sent it several times through our
email list serves um that we have in our department, updated our website, got an article on the um Carver County online news. Um, so just a whole host of uh of ways that we got the word out um
encouraging people to to check out the concepts and tell us what they think. So, with that, here's sort of a review of the um survey results. Um we had um about 3,500 unique visitors that went to
the site. Um some of them went there a couple of times, so there was over 4,500 visits total. Um and then we had a little over,00 surveys that were completed. um which represented about
600 unique um sort of IP addresses. Um so the visits to the website um was pretty similar to what we saw in the um phase one community engagement. Um I would and then the number of surveys
submitted was a little bit less than phase one but I think that's to be expected. um a lot of information um was within these concepts and it required a little bit more of a time commitment um to provide that information. But
overall, I still think it's a really good um response um to the survey and um some information there for us to glean. All right. So what I'll do now is sort of step through
sum a summary of of the the variety of questions that we asked. Um so these this first set of slides will be based on the open-ended questions that we asked for each concept and confluence
used an AI tool to kind of go through um all of the comments to bring in kind of a summary highlight for each of the questions. So starting off with the sports themed concept, the question was what stands out in this concept as
positive and exciting for the community. And you can see there that sports fields um with strong interest in soccer, baseball and softball fields stood out, trails in nature um so the walking and nature paths and open green spaces stood
out. solar panels. Um we had had that on that concept as a idea for um covered parking with solar on top. So I think some people um commented on that. That was an interesting idea. Inclusive playgrounds. Um again a strong emphasis
on the accessibility and communityfriendly um design. The disc golf and ninja course within it. Um there's comments about that being unique and stood out. And then community engagement. So the value placed on
spaces that bring people together um is what people liked on that concept. Uh the next question was what do you think is missing andor should be changed in this concept. So there's quite a few comments about there needing to be more soccer fields
especially all-weather turf fields. Um splash pads and water features the desire for more interactive water elements. Um so again when we put together the concepts we intentionally >> put some things in some some concepts
and some things not in others or if you recall the park shelter building had different size and scope. So, we were kind of looking to see whether or not that triggered um some different comments. And so, I think in this sports um concept, there wasn't much for a
water feature. Uh parking and accessibility. Um some comments about concerns about uh whether or not there's enough parking and access disc golf debate. So, there was some mixed opinions on the disc golf. Some
wanted it and others didn't. um winter activities, requests for more for ice rinks and year round usability and then restrooms and amenities. Um so I think on this concept the park shelter was a little more basic in nature. So
they were commenting a need for better facilities like bathrooms. And then the last question, what else would you like to share about this concept? So a theme around community needs. So reinforcement of the need for sports
infrastructure, especially soccer and baseball. Inclusive and accessible design. A continued emphasis on making the park usable for all parking and space planning. Comments on the layout and capacity
sustainability and sonar solar panels. So here we saw some comments where some people um supported it but then others kind of came through with a little bit of skepticism about it. Disc golf and recreational variety. So a desire for diverse activities but
with thoughtful placement and then city identity and pride came out. So feedback tied to Chaza's growth and community image. So, I recall some comments about just the excitement about this park and what it can mean for the community and
attract people to want to live here. Uh, moving on to the second concept, the nature themed concept. Uh, the question uh what stands out in this as positive and exciting for the community? Um, nature nature and trails. uh the nature
play area, the treetop canopy walk, uh walking trails, forest, natural surfaces, winter activities. Uh this one had the ice skating loop and year-round amenities, community and inclusivity, uh the
inclusive playground, community garden, food forest. Is a food forest like a community garden too or is it something different? >> Uh it's a little bit different. Um it'd be more like think like apple trees or things like that where people can come
and pick things and >> Yeah. Um here we saw um amenities. The a restaurant or cafe along with the water misters in the dog park stood out as positive. And then uh
overall sentiment a unique concept peaceful accessible and great for families. In response to what do you think is missing andor should be changed? Um there was some comments about dog park concerns.
Um just overuse mess and safety issues. Um I recall some comments too just when you got the dog park and inviting more dogs when you got community garden and things like that. Um they might be attracted to those things. Uh garden and
food forest skepticism. So some maintenance concerns, redundancy and underutilization. uh requests for more um splash pads, soccer fields, more trails, shaded
areas, and uh and parking. Some skepticism and suggestions. Uh preferred ground level trails over the treetop walk, replace the dog park with other features, add water play, and
reduce sports elements. And then accessibility and safety. um trail connectivity, lighting and winter usability um was commented on. And then what else would you like to um
share about this particular concept? Um there was some overall sentiment and feedback uh that this was their favorite concept. Excitement and appreciation for nature focus, nature and community. uh preserve the big woods, add educational elements,
community engagement, concerns and suggestions. Uh again, the dog park theme, food forest maintenance, splash pad requests, trail connectivity, amenities and usability. Um
preferring the yearround bathrooms, shaded seating, a restaurant and cafe, and inclusive design. And then the multi-generational um feedback came out. Interest in multigenerational appeal and
accessibility for all ages with that nature concept. And then the last themed concept was play. So just going through these um what stands out as positive and exciting. Uh the water features in this
one. Here's the concept where we had more of the robust splash pad shown. Um, so that was very popular with over 67 mentions. Recreation and play, a strong interest in the pump track, amphitheater, adult swings in the playground,
nature and trails um were frequently um appreciated. And then community amenities, uh the park building and open lawn area were noted as attractive gathering spaces. uh what would what is missing or should change in this concept? Um concerns
about the skate park often with some negative sentiment or requests to remove it. Um pool requests. Some some respondents asked for a community pool instead of or in addition to the splash pad. Safety and accessibility. Uh
comments included concerns about lighting and uh bathroom facilities and then balance of the of the features. Some felt the concept was too focused on niche activities and lacked broader appeal and what else would you like to share
about this concept? Again, on the skate park, some debate over the value and safety of the skate park, community identity. Several uh comments emphasize the need for a concept that reflects Chaza's identity and serves all
age groups. I was a little baffled at that. I felt like the concepts did a pretty good job at that. But um favorite concept uh many respondents expressed that this one was their preferred concept especially due to the splash pad and the amphitheater.
And then inclusivity in nature um requests for more inclusive design natural elements and multi-generation generational appeal. So then moving on, um, as part of the overall survey, we had a, um, a whole
list of sort of the possibility of amenities and we wanted to get people's thoughts and had them rank them on a scale from one, you know, not necessary, a three would be nice, and a five, um, we should
definitely have in the in the final plan. Um, and I'd point out that there's things that we sort of are assuming that are going to go in the park, such as um, the Miracle League field, the universal designed playground, a park
shelter building, trails, things of like that. So, those were not included in this list. It was sort of like giving us some direction outside of those things what we would want to. But it's interesting because you just mentioned on three slides people wanted water play, but that's not even on this list.
>> It's on the next one. There was so many it took two slides. Yeah. >> Um settle down. >> So you can see here kind of where they where they all landed. Um and I got the a slide in the end here that sort of
situational as a top 10. So here you can see the top 10 that came through. So, nature play area scored the highest, followed by splash pad, uh, open grass and lawn area,
uh, rectangular soccer fields, and then what we thought was interesting at came in fifth would be food for purchase options as something for us to think about. uh you know whether that's uh setting it up for food trucks um to hook up or an
actual cafe restaurant within the building uh or concessions. So we we got to kind of think about that some more >> from a perspective of what we have right now. Concessions are at firemen's and then obviously Charlie's or whatever. Not it's not Charlie's anymore. Oak 19
at town course. Does one do better than the other >> there? There's sort of two different I mean one is set up more as a restaurant and one is set up more as just pure concessions. >> They both do very well. Yeah. >> Um
the Oak 19 is going to do more from a revenue perspective just because the food's more expensive, >> but I'd say as far as uh you know volume of stuff, I think both do very well. So there's not a preference because I know at the sand ventures thing in Shaki the
Tommy's is there but then they still have the concessions outside the Tommy's for those that don't want to go in and dry off and sit down. >> Okay. >> Yeah. You just can't it's capturing the audience, right? If you you're a family and you got to leave for food, chances you're getting that family back there is
down, right? Like if I can >> Oh, yeah. No way they're not coming back. >> Yeah. So that makes sense, right? Like that's like you got a captive audience and you keep them there longer because they don't have to leave. >> Yeah, that food truck idea is cool because it brings a variety of >> options.
>> Yeah. >> Cool. >> So, yeah, I think it's an interesting look at just how things ranked. Um, you know, the way I sort of evaluated is there's not a not a huge spread, you know, between
>> right >> the top and bottom. kind of a onepoint difference. >> Yeah. >> Um and I think it sort of came through in the open-ended questions, the feedback I shared with you. It I think in general people are they kind of like all three concepts in one way or another.
>> I I mean I heard that reflected a lot with uh when I was at the booth in River City days that folks were really excited about just lots of different components on each of them. >> I also think too just shows our diverse community. We have a lot of people that
interact with this survey probably from different age levels and interest levels. So, I think that really is very reflective here. >> Yeah. Yep. >> I also think it's exciting because for a city our size, there's a lot of parks already. I mean, there are a lot of
parks in this city, but the idea that people are so excited about another one means there's obviously a expressed interest in using it already. So, that's kind of >> from a progressive standpoint really fun to see. Yeah. >> And fireman is always used. So if you
can if you think about just and it's not that big that park, this could be huge. >> Yep. Yep. >> Yeah. It jumps out to me. I I like that nature play area because I think it's just such a unique space, especially on the south side of that, right? Um you
know, I think the canopy idea is interesting. I was in Gatlinburg and did the Anakista Canopies um two weeks ago and that's a cool experience. Clearly different setting, big woods versus mountains, but
>> same concept. Um I would, you know, be I wouldn't have the respect of my fellow council members up here if I didn't point out that >> that baseball and softball combined with rectangular fields for five is is both high up there. Um, and I actually, you
know, in all seriousness, had a good conversation with the chair of the Jesica Baseball Association this weekend because it was triyouts. Um, and he called me out in front of all the parents as a council member, which I appreciated. It just made me feel cool. Um, but um, and just kind of just that idea.
I mean, a good another just example of kind of like what happened in the city, right? It was beautiful Saturday afternoon, >> but the rain washed all the fields out. So, tryyouts happened at the high school inside, right? Versus if you had turf, it probably would have dried out and you
could have it could have done stuff like that. And that that m that stuff just comes into play again. Was it the end of the world that we tried out in the gym? It wasn't. Um, but there's a lot of excitement and I like I said, so I was I was happy to see those two both high because again I think I really like that
concept of that big space that's module that you can kind of do all of those things in that. That's that jumps out to me because it's just an inclusive space. You can use it for soccer, lacrosse, football, and baseball and softball. >> Yeah. >> Versus a grass baseball field with dirt
infield is a grass baseball field with a dirt infield. Does not get used for other stuff. All right, there's my trick pitch. Got it. Thanks. >> All right, I'll keep going here. Um, so the next question we had on the survey was, is there anything not on the
above list that you feel should be definitely included? Um, so water amenities, splash pad, waiting pool, misters, and swimming areas came up. um some recreational items with adult swings, walking trails, playgrounds,
skating rink. So again, things we kind of assumed but they weren't in that list. Um that that came out nature focused elements, uh nature preserve concept, solar panel parking, and outdoor amphitheater.
And then community oriented spaces, uh food trucks, rentable park structures, and picnic areas. for food truck spaces. Is that I mean obviously you'd have to have a space a curb. Is it just power then really and water?
>> Yeah. >> I because I I mean that's a very interesting concept to just kind of create that because >> um I mean you think about any events you could that could happen in those spaces where you food trucks would come in and
and it and it's not we're not looking for that business, right? where food trucks typically are looking for places to go, right? >> Yeah. >> So, >> do you actually need water for those? Because I only ask because at St. Huberts, they bring food trucks all the time and it's just in the parking lot. There's not water out there that I know
of. There's electricity, but >> I think there's a preference for them to have all the utilities available. >> You get more >> easier to get Yeah. them to come if there's >> the other thing that we're seeing in lots of cities uh uh in the Twin Cities
here is uh you know restaurants that will actually set themselves up in city parks and so um you know there's all kinds of examples in Minneapolis parks but Minneapolis is a highly dense area so it's a little bit easier um but you
know like Lakeville uh with uh is it Mariam part. The Lake Marian part. >> Lake Marian. Yep. >> Yeah. So, they have antlers uh which actually they took shipping containers and made them into actual uh just a
small restaurant space that then basically had outdoor seating that was there. So, it's not unheard of to see uh those in suburban communities, too. >> Yeah. The other thing you see common um is like the food hall concept. Right.
Right. So you have a shared seating space and then you have >> restaurants >> very common on the west coast >> can can all share that space which provides shade. Right. That's that would be the the a positive of that where it be an indoor structure versus I get my
food from the food truck and I still got to go seek shade, right? That type of thing. I also do always worry that food trucks won't always be a thing. Like 20 years from now, food trucks aren't a thing anymore. >> Drones are very, >> but you can address that other. But
that's my one thought about food trucks cuz 10 years ago, they weren't as prevalent as they are now. So, is that a market that's going to eb and flow >> and where it makes more sense to just put something more permanent? Definitely something to think about.
>> I'd like to see water is up at the top because truly I love water. So, I'm biased, but all the young families are looking for water. Their kids get hot, their kids are bored, and it's just, you know, you can play out in the backyard for only so long, then you got to go find water. So, and clay hole is a bit
dirty for most of us. So, >> yeah, it was definitely a top theme for sure. Um, we had asked a question in general to what degree would you prefer the park to have more natural native areas compared to manicured programmable
areas? And you can see it leaned a little bit more towards the native natural um areas. So, kind of an interesting thing to glean there. >> Is it one to five, right?
>> Yeah, one to five. But it was kind of more like which end would you uh >> slide it towards more of more natural or more manicured? >> Huh. >> So, >> but is not the plan for >> two and a half would have been kind of in the middle.
>> I mean, we're only developing a small >> of 55 acres. We only must be developing >> No, the >> 10%. >> No, the the the area that would actually be graded is about 55 acres. Um, the only area that wouldn't be graded would
be the area that's in the woods. >> Uh, I mean, there's some areas along the woods edge probably that would be left a little bit less uh developed and stuff, but if you look at most of those plans, most of that
area ends up getting graded. >> Oh, interesting. Okay. >> Yeah. Yeah. And this is really getting at to what extent do you want, you know, more of that lawn that you're going to be mowing, you know, that's uh set up for
programming or or turf or playground infrastructure compared to more of that natural native area. So overall the community is leaning a little more towards keep it natural is what what this is saying.
Um we had asked if we were to incorporate a theme into the playground and park uh what would be your idea and you can see there um sort of nature environment again were some of the themes that stood out local identity
inclusivity and creativity and then there were some that just felt like neutral or no theme is needed >> book pirate. What considerations or features would make the park more accessible to you? Uh so restrooms and parking, clean,
well-lit year-round restrooms and sufficient parking, inclusive design, uh universal playgrounds, stroller friendly paths, shaded areas, and uh sensory play zones, mobility support, so accessible trails,
ramps, and seating for older adults and people with disabilities, and familyfriendly layouts, proximity of play areas for different age groups, safe crossings and dog friendly zones.
So, kind of cool to see that feedback because that, you know, that really is kind of the the overall goal um going into the plan of this park. And then we asked, is there anything else you would like to share that would be helpful to know as we take the next step to develop a preferred concept
plan? Um so need for sports facilities again especially soccer with all weather turf natural preservation desire to protect and integrate natural elements like the big woods community amenities interest in food
options shaded seating and multi-use spaces. And then um some concerns were expressed about the skepticism of skate parks, solar panel costs, and the need for more inclusive planning. >> What does that mean?
>> Did they like expand on more inclusive planning? >> I'm not sure where where that was coming from. >> Okay. Someone just was they weren't included. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That's interesting >> cuz isn't this the part of being inclusive that they
>> about as inclusive as you could get, >> right? >> Are they meaning like disability though? Like inclusive? >> Maybe that could be. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And I mean at this concept level, you're not seeing the detail yet. So maybe >> not seeing where there'll be ramps and
you know all of those inclusive pieces. >> Yeah. So I read that as more of >> ADA So, just kind of um show you where we're at in the overall project process. Um we're kind of
sitting between that evaluate and refine. Um so really the next steps are going to be to it's kind of the next step's the hard step. We got to figure out how to take this feedback, you know, and all the cool stuff that's
shown in those three different concepts and narrow it down to one preferred concept plan. >> So, is that where you get together with Confluence and do or is that you bring in Okay. >> Yep. >> I got kind of a an overview of what I
think our next steps are. >> Okay. >> Coming up. Um but before that too also just point out that I shared this we we had this uh discussion with the park and recck commission um last uh week at their uh monthly meeting and had a good
discussion um you know around the themes that came through in the feedback and so you know there's some direction there and notes that we took that we'll be you know factoring in into these next steps as well. >> That's good. Um,
>> can I I know this is going backwards step, but the skepticism around skate parks. I saw it a couple times and >> yeah, >> I have no idea really what goes on in a skate park, but what's the concern? >> Yeah, I jokingly I jokingly said like, man, all the years skate parkere can't
kick the stereotype. >> Feel bad for >> shenanigans and skate park skater community. I was a skateboarder >> when I grew up. Is it like something where the city would, you know, like if you put an ingground pool in because of the depth of the water, all of a sudden liability goes way up and I understand that. So beds are better.
>> It's more of a perception that people have that like we have >> they're loitering and all that sort of stuff. >> Yeah, we have a skate park over in >> Oh, so it's more stereotype. It's just Yeah, it's just a general idea. just amazes me like that thing like to your point like
>> cities and skate parks has been like this >> a thing forever >> thing forever. It's like that community hasn't been able to kick the stereotype which is just like seems so unfair Bart Simpson. The the funny thing is I'm pretty sure the research will show there's more injuries in soccer and
baseball >> than there are skateboarding. >> When I don't know if any of you have been to Round Lake and Eden Hurry, but it's um right across the center high school and they've got the beach, the splash pad, the skate park, the boat. There's always people at skate park. >> There's always people at the splash pad. There's always people at the skatepark.
>> I think there are I think there'll be people at the skate park. I just think that the people filling out this survey are probably not >> they're not the ones at not going to be the ones at the skate. Well, I just wondered if one was like it was a huge cost to the city to have a skate park or >> Yeah. >> Well, and our park and recck
commissioner Terry Schwer made a good comment in our discussion that >> a lot of times it's the location and where you put it too. >> And you're actually better off putting it. >> Oh, really? >> In an area where you know there's going to be people >> more often than not
>> rather than isolating it somewhere and there's really no >> oversight of the kids playing. So >> positioning it in a park like this and somewhat adjacent to the playground >> could be a nice feature. >> Maybe don't want down. >> It's the design and style of it too,
right, Marshall? Kind of the >> the approach that you take to the materials used to create the park, >> generates the desiraability, >> and then the more it gets used, the safer it is too, right? Because you got more eyes on it. And there was a I forget what park it is now, so I'm gonna
have to go back and look, but they had a pump track around a skate park. So like the track was on the outside and the skate park was kind of in the middle and there was a little bridge that went over to it. But that's another way to keep loud things or things that you think away from the nature lovers if that was,
you know, concern too. But >> yeah. Okay, so wrapping it up here. Next steps. Um, you know, I think city staff now will take it from here. Our we have a project team. Um, and we'll continue to work with conflict confluence to then
develop a draft of what we think a preferred concept plan could be. And that draft will take into account um the the overall park goal of being a universally designed where everybody belongs.
Um it'll take into account the market and NRPA, National Recreation and Park Association benchmark analysis that we conducted. Um it'll take into account the community feedback from phases one and two engagements um along with the
park and recreation commission feedback. Uh it needs to take into account the site conditions. you know, um the reality is it's a hilly site and it's got awesome natural resource features with the big woods adjacent um on the
south end of it. >> Next word, >> we need to take into account the maintainability and the impact on the operating cost um going forward. So, there's >> it's not working >> some decisions in there that we would that that that could um affect that
going forward. So, we need to be mindful of that. And then obviously the construction cost is going to really come into play um as we develop this preferred concept plan. Um so we'll be evaluating those cost
estimates in more detail and figuring out how that um plays a part in those other items that we need to take into account. And then we'll plan for a joint work session in October to bring the council and commission together so we
can review that draft with you. Um get some feedback um and comments on that. And then the thought would be to bring a proposed preferred concept plan to the park and recck commission in November um for them to be able to give their recommendation
to you for adoption. Do we have like a just a general budget that we're looking at right now? Because I know we have Parkland editation dollars. You're Rotary and Lions. I maybe just Rotary, but they're doing fundraising efforts towards components of this.
>> Yeah, we we've targeted between about 15 and 17 million for it. Um, so I mean that I do sense that that's going to be a big part of our analysis as we're going forward with this is uh
>> how do we meet that budget as we're as we're moving forward because >> um I don't know I've seen enough plans over the years to know that you know generally get a sense of of how much things might cost. >> Yeah. It's like when we did the master plan for the community center, they
talked about, you know, the cost of something, but then the rate of return on it and and things along those lines. I'm assuming it kind of gets maybe broken down. I know it's a little different. It's not an enterprise >> because we don't it's not >> yeah we're not paying entrance to get in or whatever. But
>> um but that's going to be part of the whole process is is really sort of looking at you know what is our you know what is our budget what's our available resources and how do we maximize what people are commenting on in that plan. So
>> um that by far it's always the toughest part of the whole process. Yeah, I suppose you have to evaluate too like, okay, we put this in, but what's our ongoing maintenance cost of this? What's going to be replacement cost of this turf and just poking fun at
um but yeah, just uh those sort of components, I suppose. >> Yeah, I mean we we definitely consider that. But uh uh but no there you know this is you know this is where we really start getting serious about what things
are we actually going to include uh in this and do we think that that's meeting our expectations? >> Okay. >> No >> I suspect like we do for a lot of things. We look for grants. We look for partnerships,
you know, because I think like, you know, again, not to talk baseball fields, but that's on my mind these days because it's almost first season, but like Minnesota Twin Saw Nation, Metro Baseball League, there's lot there's other way like money, but soccer is the
same way and and even I'm sure like nature spaces probably has grant dollars and stuff like so all those things I think are which we've always done a really good job as a city to find those opport opportunities um to you know maybe get an amenity that
would be cost prohibitive but adds that to it. >> Does this qualify for you know many years ago obviously a referendum to the voters of the state for the arts. Does this fall within that purview? >> The legacy dollars.
>> Yeah, the legacy dollars. >> Interesting. >> Or is this kind of >> parts of it we've already received legacy dollars for. So the big woods uh the grants that we received for that were from the legacy. >> So I think if you were to look at this
park as a whole, >> the stuff that we do in the woods and stuff to preserve that and you know get people out in there. I think that stuff could potentially be legacy dollars because it has to be more regional in nature.
>> Yeah. Um, I think it'd be a really tough argument to make that like the regular park components would uh would qualify for legacy dollars. >> Sure. >> I mean, the other thing I mean, uh, Council Member Gro mentioned the, you know, partnerships. It's not unusual for
cities to partner up with associations and say, you know, maybe what we would have put into a regular field, we'll put that in, but maybe if there's a desire to see it bumped up to uh to turf that, you know, a lot of times you'll see
cities will actually go out and finance that and give associations multiple years to be able to, you know, come back. So, I mean, and I don't know if those are options or not here, but I think those are the types of things that we'll probably be looking at. >> Yeah. Knowing knowing the direction that
we're beginning to head just with the concepts alone, we've started to sit down and look at grant opportunities and talk to Confluence around, you know, support they can provide um and maybe writing and submit helping us to submit some of those. Um, so we've got sort of sketched out a calendar of deadlines for some of these opportunities and
>> they relate to various things, you know, whether it be the park elements themselves or the the storm water infrastructure that's going to have to go in. Um, there's a number of different opportunities from different angles. So, we're trying to take a broad net to that. >> Yeah. one I was actually the whole time
Marshall was giving his presentation, I was looking at my spreadsheet that I put together like a year ago uh for this park and I had a note down on the bottom of it talking about how much of the of the grading in this park is associated with storm water. Um it's a lot and so I
do think that there's some opportunities like Nate says uh to u look at how we can partner with agencies who look at trying to uh really upgrade uh wetland facilities around uh make them really
high quality, you know, those types of things. So yeah, there's there's multiple different aspects of this that we're going to be looking at. >> Okay. Wouldn't the storm water runoff create some sort of man-made lake though that can then be built into the nature? I mean, >> it wouldn't be. This would be more like
the type of storm water runoff that you'd see in a typical neighborhood. So, >> it goes through treatment stages in it. Uh, probably never to a stage where you'd actually be able to use it for for recreation. >> Okay. >> Unless it froze.
>> Well, that it freezes and you can skate on it. That makes the attorney nervous liability stuff. >> Then I won't bring up my pool thing, but I'm actually not bringing up the pool. It's more like any water features or maybe skate parks. I'm not entirely
sure. Pump tracks. But >> is there anything where you could minimize the cost by charging a very nominal amount to use? You know, like if you think about community communities who have outdoor pools, you they charge to get in. It's not just a well so does the community center for the indoor pool I guess but you know certain things a
splash pad probably not but if you went to the point of waiting pools or you put in skate parks that were state of the art or things like that you could maybe offset the cost a little bit >> I think the only way you could do that is if you actually had an amenity like a pool
>> because if you look at like Minneapolis has waiting pools they do >> and they're all free >> um the uh and I know this was a big discussion question that uh came up within the park board when they were talking about this is how do we make
this park as accessible to everybody as possible >> and not just people uh who maybe live close to it. There there was a big discussion about the splash pad and should the splash pad be here because it's maybe not central enough to and if you were going to do a splash pad should you do it somewhere else in the
community not here. So that was the typ we're a huge community. >> No, but that's what I'm just saying that's the types of discussions that the park board was having is how do you make this as accessible as possible to everybody? >> I can see it. >> Fair. >> The popular question that I think I
always know the answer, but I probably don't answer already because I get asked a lot. All things go good. Magically things place. Shovels in ground. I mean, the hope is is that we get this to a point where we could actually start
next summer grading. >> Um, it >> I've been right there. That's kind of what I've said. >> Probably grade and grade next summer and fall and then most of the build would be 2027. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That's kind of how I I just said, >> yeah, there's a lot of grading that
needs to happen on this site. Um and and just even the the getting the grants and all that type of stuff together. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> In this picture it looks fairly flat but it must not be that flat if it is if you drive out on Perseron if it's still
light when we leave here. Drive out on Person and turn left and drive all the way to the end. >> Okay. >> And then you'll go in a little culdeac there. And if you look back you look at the site. the sightes. >> It's like a hill going up like 40 to 40 to 50.
>> Beautiful. Why didn't zipline gorgeous? >> I was out there at sunset one night and I was like, I cannot wait. Like it's so beautiful out there. >> But even that like that will be positioned to be an awesome sledding. >> There is definitely an upgrade where you can
>> you could definitely have a hill here. There's enough >> y >> which helps that >> some of the comments about seasonality, right? Mhm. Absolutely. >> I thought the ice rink comment was interesting, especially all the conversation we've had about the reality
of ice rinks in Minnesota. But >> that is interesting. But then again, people are dreaming and yeah. >> And it was it was like year round though ice, right? Like was >> like the community center. >> An outdoor frozen
year round. >> I kind of took that as a nice arena like the community center. See, I took the year- round comment as saying make this park be usable year round. >> Oh, yeah. >> Which I think sledding. Yeah. Which is good because
>> we have a lot of parks that don't get used. >> And depending on how you do your nature trails, some of those could be cross country skiable. I mean, there's what's that park in Victoria where they do >> Yeah. Carver Park Reserve. >> Y >> Yep. >> Yeah. There's lots of opportunities in that woods. Mhm.
>> That's a good >> Well, maybe I'll leave you with maybe a sentiment from the park and recck commission which I kind of appreciated. You know, one of the questions was what's going to be the wow factor >> at this park and I like the think about that >> ferris wheel. I'm just kidding.
>> Yes, you can watch this where they came to and it's the universal design playground. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. You know, and I think it's reminding us ourselves like that alone is going to be super cool to have in our community. >> Absolutely. It will be huge. >> Along with a miracle league field and I
kind of look at everything else as sort of bonus, you know, compared to what we have in our system. >> I I had took my son to college this weekend and so we were middle of Ohio and took Lincoln to the Universal playground that they had there which I
thought was really cool. will look a lot like what I would imagine um ours would look like. But right next to it, instead of community gardens where they rented plots, they actually rented they actually had people grow gardens where people could just come and pick vegetables. And so like if you were
there and you saw a tomato, you can just come and pick a tomato and eat it. And I thought that's really cool. >> You sure you were supposed to eat that, too? >> Well, I thought so. >> Well, fruit. >> Yeah. I mean, our library down there just it did the same thing with herbs. >> Yeah. >> And they were wellreceived. So, Well,
isn't that what the what did you call it again? A food forest. Isn't that what was meant to >> Well, I'll have to say just as a side note that my husband was like, "You should talk to the public works and see if they can plant apple trees because it would be really cool to go for a walk
and there's like an apple tree and you can pick the apple." Like, I'm not bringing that up. >> You just did. You just did. >> You just did. >> But then when I saw that on there and she she expanded on it, I thought, well, he might be very intrigued by that. Good
literation food forest. I like it. >> Well, >> bees when they're on the ground. >> I know. That's that's all I can think about is the as someone that stepped on a bee last Sunday, I don't know about that. Um, no, I appreciate your time.
Um, thank you for the update. I look forward to seeing more news come about. I don't know when you'll be back again with it, but >> thinking in October sometime. >> Okay. Yeah, that'll be amazing to kind of see something more sketched out, kind of more finalized in that sort of the
look of the concept of the park. So, >> I was just going to add one last thing. Um, and I saw it with the sensory play, but you know, all of our parks used to have the the little rocks, whatever you called, feed rocks or whatever they called it. >> Feed gravel. >> Feed gravel. Yeah. And then um I don't know where all those rocks went, so
maybe this is not even a fair thing to ask for, but an idea of like putting a big pit of rocks in for people to actually just go play. It's a lot like the fall corn pit things. People love those kind of things cuz they're sensory and you can play and build it up and run
your trucks through it. And a lot of the parks used, little kids used to bring their dump trucks and build, you know, fill buckets and all that. And with the wood chips, that's kind of gone away. So maybe something from that perspective that's not really expensive but very um >> textile.
>> Yeah. Sensory and and easy to play in would be a a good in sand I think is messy but those rocks are big enough it's not so >> yeah a lot of a lot of playgrounds went away from the pearravel because it technically doesn't meet the ADA. >> Yeah. You can't run wheelchairs in
>> accessibility. So then that's where the >> that's why I thought maybe just a big pit like a >> something is sort of a specific feature could be something to think about. >> And when kids throw pea gravel it hurts a lot more than the little rubber rubber. >> Although when they fall in it they don't get slivers like they do with the
>> but anyway just something about the sensory that maybe would be a very easy attractive thing >> texture. Okay great. Thank you. >> Corn pits. Yeah. >> Can't stand those corn. Thank you.
All right. Well, that moves us along on the agenda uh to 5C, which is the Meadow Park update. You're just you're just checking off all the boxes tonight, aren't you? >> Yeah. That's when you're going to see them again. It's right now. >> I know. This is true. You turn around in
your chair and come back. Oh, no. I'm actually taking this one this evening. >> You get to hear a lot of me moving forward, so get used to my voice. Although I was told to keep this one short so I will do that. >> Uh we are here to give an update on
Meadow Park. Uh so for those of you who may not remember uh or for those of you who are watching, Meadow Park is the park that was just to the west of the public safety facility. So it was removed in order for uh that facility to go in. Um I think we're Marshall and I
are very excited to be here this evening. This has been a long time coming. So, we hope you are excited about our plan as well. >> That's why >> a little bit of background about how we got here and what we've been working on uh since that park was removed. Uh there was a online survey that uh after
Marshall just presented the numbers for Southwest Community Park seems a little underwhelming, but at the time we are very excited about it. Uh we sent postcards out to 921 homes and we got 70 or excuse me 96 uh survey responses. And
I'll give a brief overview of what we heard in that survey in just a moment. We did two in-person kind of open houses. The first was at the community center with the Highway 41 and Angler
open house. Uh we handed out little uh QR codes that directed people to the survey. And then Marshall and I also did a little popup event at the Chesa Place Apartments uh to gather some feedback from their residents as well. We have a pretty large steering
committee uh made up of a variety of people from a bunch of different departments including parks and wreck, police and fire uh community development, public works, and then uh we had Gabrielle Grindy from HKGI uh working on the plan as well. We also
did have three neighborhood representatives uh that did provide us feedback on the plans and the process as well. Uh getting into uh the plan itself, uh we gone through a few renditions. Uh
this one before you this evening is about 4,400 square feet. Uh so that's about 300 more square feet uh than Hickory Park uh that just came in this year. And then uh one thing that we are excited
Well, my summary slide is not in this deck. So uh I will just uh quickly recap it for you from my memory and hope I don't miss something. Uh so of those 96 responses uh most of the people were walking or biking to the park uh living
within about 10 minute walking distance which we typically expected. Uh that's generally what we expect to see from a neighborhood park and their distance capture area. uh 10% of the survey respondents uh did note that they had a mobility uh limitation or an
accessibility concern that would impact uh how they would access or utilize the park. Uh the top kind of three amenities that uh came out of what people liked about Meadow Park and what they wanted to see in the new park uh aligned actually very well. uh citing the
playground and just the variety of equipment that was there and then the amount of shade and open space and then thirdly uh kind of the seating and the gathering components of that plan. And so taking uh those survey results
and the feedback that we heard from those three residents, uh we went through a series of plans and the one before you that we have again 4,400 square ft of play area. Uh we do uh propose to have pourandplay surfacing at
this location and then focusing on you know how do we maximize shade trees? Uh we know that there's some carryover requirements from public safety. Uh so but what types of varieties of trees can we use to really
maximize shade within the park? And then also uh including a 20 by 20 shelter that would really allow for some engagement uh between police and fire and then residents as well. Uh so I'll I'll show you uh just a few
slides uh at the park and >> I don't think anything we're not seeing any of your slides. >> Oh well then you can't even tell that my survey results weren't even in the slide deck. >> We I was thinking that excellent job summarizing it. I didn't even need it. >> You didn't even need it until now. Look
at that. >> I just figured you're giving us just a nice recap. >> Yeah. I'm just going to wow you with some pretty pictures. >> Well, now we're going to be wowed. >> Oh, back up. Thank you for skipping the words. >> Well, can you go back to the the park? Looks really cool. We breezed right past
it, but that playground. >> No, we're going there. I just figured I'd show you the plan. >> Yeah, she wants to >> just to to show it. >> Uh again, shelter uh that play area and then um the connection to that trail that will be put back in through the
site and then just sidewalk connections uh within that as well uh tying into the public safety facility. So the uh we brought three concepts uh from playground vendors to the neighborhood representatives and had
them provide feedback on that. Uh they all unanimously agreed that this was the best one and then the parks and wreck at their uh most recent meeting concurred with that. Uh so this is um a more contemporary modular uh playground. I'm
going to flip through a few of the images. Uh there's some swings as you can see in the background. Uh some musical chimes. Uh there's some little police and fire spring-loaded little rockers back and forth. My kids always love those no
matter how old they get. Uh and then you see kind of this track uh weaved through that porn and play so kids can ride their bicycles, etc. uh some of the the one of the comments that the neighborhood representatives made that I think you kind of see
through these uh images is this is really a great uh kind of hybrid of a ninja course and a playground. And so it's really filling that gap uh that we don't see at some of our other playgrounds uh while still providing a
lot of climbing and slide opportunities. So, that was brief. Sorry you didn't get to see all my slides. >> That looks really cool, but I'll take any question. >> The I'm assuming the floor is the ground of the is kind of that rubberized. >> Yep. >> Maybe recycled or something sort of turf
like thing. >> It's It's actual porn in poured. >> Yeah, it's a pour and play. And so, it actually I mean it stays there. It doesn't move. And it's very soft. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Which is the next generation. Well, this is really cool. My wood chips. My son
and I used to go to this park um and it was really prone to flooding or just a lot of standing water kind of in the middle of it. And so this is kind of neat to see a re really nice revamped, you know, updated um playground.
>> I like that it incorporates police and fire but isn't like aggressively, >> you know? I think that's nice. I think the shelter's nice because thinking about like safety camp and stuff. Is there still room for a helicopter to land? I'm just kidding.
Isn't that what they did? Right. The helicopter come land right there, wouldn't it? Okay. I was like, am I crazy? Um, >> no. They they probably can still land it in the parking lot. >> Okay, nice. >> Um, so yeah, I think this is really cool. And yeah, I think the police and fire might be
playing out on it themselves. >> Yeah, no doubt. >> We're just going to see them out there with the >> So, >> so now that you kind of had the um park commission kind of weigh in and you're bringing it here, what's what's next steps and what's the timeline? because I
I did have a resident at River City Days really live nearby and really I think they're very yes >> they're very interested. >> The reason that we wanted to to get this out for people's uh comments now is because um if we're going to get this in
and do this this fall, we need to start now. >> Okay. >> And so, uh Brian's actually working uh to uh to get things scheduled so that he can get in here. you know, there he probably finishes up the equipment in the spring uh itself, but then yeah, but
really sort of gets the site ready and ready to accept the stuff so that by the time next summer comes then >> that was my assumption but um nice to hear it kind of secure and it can go in kind of fast like I felt like Lion's Park when the equipment was replaced
there went kind of fast. So like the structure of it is kind of there, then the equipment goes in quickly. >> And I feel like a lot of these neighborhood parks, they do it in a week. I mean, they're I mean, there was something there already, but in and out in a week. >> Yeah. So, starting end of August is when
we're anticipating that we'll be able to get into that park. Yeah. So, you'll start to see some coordination between things that are happening over at the public safety facility and some of those contractors will be doing some of the work here. And that really allowed us to
to maximize our budget and our timeline. >> Awesome. >> Yeah. Just the fact that we don't have to bring another gridding contractor in that we just use the one that's on site makes a big difference. >> Yeah. And I'm sure as a resident they'll be very excited to see that activity
happening. and it kind of finalizes the construction of the public safety campus and kind of that finalized piece because I think some worried that it was just going to be kind of an uncheck box for a little while. It's nice that it's a priority.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's gonna be such a awesome drive in the ches that whole space like you know >> we're living through the pain now with the closure of the road and everything but man like new park I mean just that's it's exciting.
>> Yeah. Very very exciting. >> Yeah. Big kudos to both these guys have put in a ton of work into >> Yeah. it. You know, going through a public process is really time consuming, but they've they've done a great job of of going through making sure that the neighbors have been a part of the
process and I think came up with a really nice plans. >> Yeah, that's really nice. It's nice to hear you neighborhood representatives. I saw the postcard because I was in that mailing district. Yeah, I'm Thank you for casting a wide net and getting all the survey results on that.
>> Great job. Keep up the good work. All right. Uh, anybody else have any questions for for uh, Marshall or Ashley? Otherwise, >> we can move along on the agenda to approving the previous
>> might have might have more visitor presentation. >> More Oh, yeah. That was a long visitor presentation. >> That was Yes. Thank you for holding out. If there is anybody here in the audience, this is the time to come up. Um, visitor presentation. Um, if you're
not on the agenda for anything, feel free to come forward and you just have to state your name and address for the public record. We're sitting pretty quiet in our chairs, so I'm going to I'm going to lean on the uh >> I just wanted to make sure nobody got
missed. >> Okay. Okay. I'm putting them in the hot seat out there. All all those all those folks out there. Okay. Well, thank you for for making sure I didn't breeze right along. All right, knowing that they had an opportunity and now is
window is closing, we are going to move along to approval of the previous meeting minutes. The meeting minutes from um August 4th of 2025. Does anybody have any additions or corrections to the meeting minutes? Otherwise, I would entertain a motion to
approve. >> Motion to approve. >> All right, we have a motion from Council Member Chevlin. >> Second. and a second from council council member Bennish. Sorry. Uh all those in favor say I.
>> I. >> And it's approved. Moving right along to our consent items. These items are uh items that ne don't necessarily need a lot of discussion, but we certainly can pull something off. Um if anybody has any questions or maybe a comment, um I'd
entertain a motion to approve. Otherwise, >> motion to approve. >> Okay, a motion from council member Hatfield. >> Second. >> A second from council member Gra. Any other discussion? Otherwise, all those in favor say I.
>> I. >> Opposed. >> All right. Consent items approved. And we're going to move along to our action items. And the first one is or maybe the only one is 8A. Uh adopt resolution number 2025-46.
and 2025-47 and ordinance number 1068 approval of the preliminary plat resoning and comprehensive plan amendment for chavevel 19th edition took curve quadringa ventures PC number 2025-07
>> uh mayor council members that item in front of you tonight it's been a few months since we've seen this but this is to curb if you remember is the when you go into Chvel neighborhood go over the bridge and take your first Right. Uh they're the single loaded uh house
street as you drive to the north. Uh the proposal uh that you guys saw before in concept and now here preliminary is to uh add houses on the other side of that street, but also then uh help permanently preserve uh that pasture
area there as green space uh in the community. So, um I believe since Nate's like looks like he's not engaged. Um it must be >> got him like threw you under the bus over there.
>> I'm assuming it must be Ashley that's speaking tonight. So, I'll turn it over to >> see your slides. Ashley, you're good to go, too. >> Yeah, your slides are make sure my slides are showing. I double checked this time. Uh, as Matt said, uh, this is the horse
farm site that you see, uh, right in northern Chaza with that white fence. Uh, it's a large horse pasture area. Uh, right at the corner of 86th Street and Bavaria Road. Uh, tonight we are in the second phase of Chaza's three-step
review. Uh, so we are in that phase where we are seeing more technical details on those plans. uh and we're starting to see resolution to some of the items and issues that we identified in the concept plan. So that that first step, there is one final step uh that'll
come before you uh in the future should they decide to move forward uh and that's really that final review uh that happens where we see those final issue resolutions, final detailed plans uh before it would move into a permitting phase.
The site uh is roughly 30 acres in size. Uh there is an existing home uh and agricultural buildings with some accessory structure, smaller accessory structures in the more northeast corner of that site. Uh the
remainder of that property is uh currently being used for horse pasture and there is some white fencing that uh uh by sections through that property. Uh it's mostly flat uh but the highest points of the property is more in the
northwest corner uh and then draining down from there. Uh while that overall site again is 30 acres, uh we're going to be spending most of our time as as Matt said in that more southwestern corner of the site.
Back in February, uh there was a 10 the concept plan that you saw. Uh just a quick refresher, uh 10 new single family lots on that roughly six six acres in the southwest corner. Uh those lot sizes were roughly 60 feet wide uh and ranged
in size from 7500 to 9,000 square feet. Uh they were showing to connect that new public right ofway and the utilities to the west into curve and there was a storm water management uh BMP that was shown uh to the east of that new
culde-sac. There was landscaping uh that was also shown uh through Burming and some additional vegetation both on the east and west side of that uh new development site.
There was a neighborhood meeting uh held in November. Uh there was roughly 20 residents that attended that meeting. Uh they had a number of inquiries as it related to just the overall development in terms of density and future development opportunities of that larger
site. Uh they also had questions about new home design size and whether or not they would include basements. Uh they also wanted to understand what the screening requirements were from the city and what they were proposing. Uh and then they also had questions about
construction timelines uh traffic and access for the new development. The concept plan uh came before you as the planning commission and the city council. So, just to quickly recap some of those conversations, uh there were four residents that spoke at the
planning commission meeting. Uh they really summarized uh some of the HOA's position and how they've acquired outlots, which we'll talk about a little bit later. uh they had some encouragements for how the development would integrate into their uh the To
Villas neighborhood and then as well as the overall Shioal uh HOA and they also had some uh comments and kind of some uh requests to do uh landscape islands
within that new culde-sac adding some additional screening uh etc. They also uh just wanted to confirm one more time uh that that remainder of the 3910 property uh could not be further developed.
Here at the council meeting, uh one resident spoke uh they raised some additional concerns related to snow storage within the existing development and how that may uh be improved or worsened uh by any future development. uh and then they uh reiterated that
their participation would continue to be required as the project moved forward. You as the council uh you discussed uh the how the project uh would be involved both with the To Villa's HOA as well as the overall Chioal HOA. Uh and then you
encouraged and continued conversation between the HOA and the developer. The plan before you this evening has a lot of similarities to what you saw in the concept plan. Uh that's still 10 new single family lots accessed by that new
culdeac. Uh the lot configurations changed slightly. Uh those lot sizes increased to 7700 square ft to align with Villas. Uh in doing so, some of the widths were reduced and we'll talk about
that a little bit later. Uh there is some landscaping that is still being shown uh to provide a buffer uh between the new development and that existing development to the west. Uh there's also u more details on the screening uh
that's being proposed on the north and east side of that new development and we'll go through some of the details of that uh here in just a minute. There's also a swale uh that is being proposed to capture water kind of on the eastern side of that culde-sac uh to
direct that water down into a basin that wraps around uh the southern side of those new lots. And unlike the uh concept plan, uh there is pedestrian improvements uh that are shown on that north side of the new
culde-sac. Uh the new homes submitted elevations uh generally suggest single level living with threecar garages. Floor plans generally uh are showing homes roughly with footprints of the 2,00 to 2500
square ft. Uh generally twocar garages. These are really just shown to give us the flavor of what those character of those new homes could look like. Uh we do have ordinances as you're aware that we would be reviewing at the time of a building permit as it relates to anti-
monotony uh etc. The grading plan is indicating that those lots on the northern side so those five lots on the north side of the new culde-sac would have full basements and the lots on the south side of that culde-sac uh would have walk out
basement. Uh so the first request this evening uh is to reszone the property from RR2 uh to PRD89 so a new planned residential district. Uh staff is ultimately uh comfortable with that request and is
recommending approval this evening uh because their proposed setbacks uh are similar to what is happening at Villas and uh within Chabal. Uh so moving into the second request as it relates to preliminary plat uh for
this evening and lot configuration. There's a lot of things happening on here on this slide. So I'll I'll walk us through it. As part of the Shioal Master Development Plan uh that was approved in the mid 2000s. uh this site there was twin homes
that were contemplated uh for development and the intent was really for all of that development on both sides of Toaro curve that new culde-sac uh to essentially mirror each other. So they were shown to be attached twin homes. uh
when Shioal uh developed uh in 2007, their plans and the council approvals essentially split those attached units into detached town homes that you see today. And uh the plan before you this evening
is really showing a continuation of that detached town home unit. So staff is is ultimately comfortable with that as it it continues the intent of having that mirroring on either side. Uh again those minimum lot sizes are
consistent with what Toaro curve uh developed with uh but there was a reduction in the lot width. So included this evening there is a condition of approval uh to bump up those lot widths uh to 57 feet uh to be consistent with
Villas. or shioal fifth uh more formally. Uh so looking kind of beyond uh those 10 new lots uh there is an outlot proposed to protect uh that storm water and that
burming uh that wraps around that new development. and then the remainder of those 23 and a half acres of that property uh would be placed into conservation easement uh to protect uh that pasture land in perpetuity.
So one of the uh discussions uh that was had extensively at concept plan was really where the right place for that right of way to connect into villas. Uh if you remember when Shioal fifth edition developed uh there was a small
36 foot wide touch point uh and then two outs that were reserved to provide access for future development to the site. Uh after that uh development happened the HOA did acquire those outlots. So just leaving that small touch point that's really half of the
amount that the city would need for right of way. And so the developer worked extensively with the HOA to to figure out what's a reasonable solution uh to get access into the site. Uh originally the concept plan showed uh
the access a little further south um but before it came before you uh that access uh was moved north uh at the request of the HOA. And the intent of that relocation was really so the headlights
would be directed more between uh the homes across the street or towards their garages uh versus directly into their living spaces. So again, uh staff continues to support that relocation uh and that access. Uh
but we also acknowledge and that's reflected in your conditions of approval for this evening uh that there is some continued coordination and participation uh with the HOA to make that happen. Uh the plans are included in your uh packet for this evening. There was a
small change uh from when the planning commission reviewed this. Uh the construction access originally was shown uh in this black hatched area. Uh similar to what was originally contemplated though uh that access would be used for the kind of the site's
initial grading uh the utility connections uh as well as the culde-sac construction. Uh the applicant's narrative suggests that that would all roughly wrap up uh within the first 90
days or so uh from construction beginning and then after that point uh that construction access would be removed and restored back into uh pasture land at the time uh well during the planning
uh or during our review and as noted at planning commission. Uh there is a potential wetland that was identified uh as being located in the same area as that construction access. Uh so a supplemental plan had been submitted uh
for your consideration that really moves that construction access north uh to avoid delays in requiring that wetland determination. Uh staff is is comfortable with that. Uh we generally concur. We understand that there's some additional details that we need to
understand, but it probably would uh result in no longer needing to go through that wetland termination process. Uh at the planning commission meeting, there was also significant conversation about uh the sidewalk. Uh as currently
the existing sidewalk for Toaro curve wraps around the west side and terminates right before the the culde-sac bulb. Uh the new proposal is proposing something similar to on the north side terminating uh roughly halfway through the culdesac bulb. Um
staff noted in the report that this is a little awkward uh as there's not really a connection into that existing uh pedestrian network. And so included in your uh packet is a condition of approval. So we can continue to work through uh if that con if there's a way
to create a reasonable connection uh into that network or and where the appropriate termination uh point is. Uh the planning commission uh did comment that if there wasn't a way to do that they would support uh ultimately
removing that sidewalk from that northern side in the plans. >> Why don't just go around the whole thing? That was I I think that was the original intent. However, you know, there there's still how it's connecting into that
network on the west side because there's not currently a sidewalk on the east side. So, when Toaro Curve, excuse me, when Chioal Fifth uh was developed, the intent was for there to be a sidewalk going all the way around. Uh when the
HOA acquired those outlots, they took some ownership to that. So there would be some coordination that they would have to participate in if they wanted to create the network around the existing culdesac to tie into the new culde-sac. >> Yeah, because I get understand why on the original one because the houses
weren't done on the other side, right? It just seems weird and not consistent in the city to not like those houses on the south side, this is directionally appropriate, won't have sidewalks, but the other ones will.
It just seems Like I for sure feel like that whole new culde-sac probably should have had sidewalks all the way around. I understand I can't fix the issue on the other end because that already exists. But >> yeah, and I feel like they can still cross the street and then they're in the
more of a network of sidewalks. And so I agree that was like that very much stood out to me that we would end a side a sidewalk right there. >> I mean you see those occasionally at different and it just always looks strange. It looks I always feel like, oh, they someone decided this. What was
I going to put in the sidewalk? I mean, it just because it just ends and you're like, >> that's how my neighborhood is. It just goes to the park and then it ends. There's nothing in the culde-sac or the other side. >> Yeah. And they really can just cross the street and then they're in then there's so many sidewalks. So, just I get that there's not like a lot of traffic, but
to be consistent with the rest of our community, I whenever I'm in a neighborhood that doesn't have sidewalks, I am like bummed for them. And I'm like, someone should have planned better and put sidewalks here. Uh, so yeah, I just feel like there
should be a sidewalk around the whole thing. >> But it sounds like it's addressed. >> It's being addressed. Yeah. >> It's going to still be have a conversation and >> Okay. >> I'm not as supportive of like just taking it out. I'm more like put it around the whole thing.
>> Yeah. And, you know, as a planning staff member, I I would concur with that. you know, if there's a way to continue the sidewalk versus just having it end, that would be the preference. And but then, you know, again, continuing that conversation and figuring out what the correct connection into that existing
network uh is. So, >> I guess I don't understand why, like what's the >> financial or the >> I think >> marketing costs. >> I think what they're saying is that the HOA owns that portion of the the corner there, right? So it'd be having to
cultivate the conversation with >> But they don't own the the north side of that or the >> Yeah, exactly. Because that's that that's that little sliver of land that they originally remember when they bought the out lots and it kind of went up >> conversation. >> Yeah. She Yeah. So I I'm assuming that that falls within that vicinity since
they moved it a little north that sits in that area, but the south is part of that negotiated area. And so it's about negotiation with the HOA to give up that little piece so that that sidewalk can continue. Agreed. Okay.
>> Or if I can come around and I guess end there and cross >> cuz I agree. I think like as a selling point having a sidewalk in front of your home. I mean some maybe some homeowners don't like it, but I think it's it is a little odd that there's some on the one side and not on the other.
>> Yeah. I can almost guarantee that those houses over there would enjoy having a sidewalk there to walk around. So, >> yeah. And I'm not sure like the marketability of like what kind of demographic we're looking for, but looks like the homes are looking designwise slightly different from the other homes
that are in there. So, I'm imagine these being single family homes that you might have children as a concept in this. Whereas the other ones that are um on the original um street there I I didn't when I door knocked I didn't tend to see
small children. Not saying that there's not any, but I'm assuming that our demographic might be a little bit different in this culde-sac. So, sidewalks are kind of essential in that sort of standpoint for safety reasons, too. Yeah, and you know the the developer is here this evening so they may be able to
provide some additional commentary as to their thought process. Um my understanding from the engineer was they were essentially proposing a sidewalk similar in design to what exists in the neighborhood. Um but I think you know the developer is here this evening and
has heard some of your commentary and has I think generally expressed willingness to continue that conversation. Uh so looking through uh what it would take in order to get those those new lots and and those utilities and the new
home in uh there's roughly 6.2 acres of grading. Uh one of the things that was noted in your report for this evening is that some of that grading does extend kind of beyond uh what we're calling that development site. And so included
in your condition of approval uh is continuing some coordination to figure out what that right mix is. Is it adjusting the lot lines to accommodate that additional grading area? Are we comfortable with that grading area knowing that it's in conservation
easement? Uh or is there some reduction in the grading to get it within that development site? Uh so we'll continue to work through that ahead of final. Uh so you'll see that as a list of um items to be resolved. Uh one of the visuals uh that hopefully
was helpful when you went out to visit the site was kind of looking through those three layers of of white fence. This photo doesn't do the best job explaining that, but hopefully you saw that when you were out using this diagram that as you're moving and driving down Bavaria Road, uh the extent
of that development would push through roughly half of those back to white fences. So, that kind of gave you an idea of where that development uh would start in relation to Bavaria. Uh there is a 12-oot Berm uh that's
being shown uh to provide some screening uh between Bavaria and the new development. Uh but the important note is because of that the existing topography and that swale uh that's being proposed, the top of that burm is is really only uh 2 to four feet above
the elevation of that new street. So while 12 feet sounds uh taller uh it there's not as much screening being provided uh by way of that. Uh another note uh in the report uh gets
to just off-site tree impacts. So the development site itself uh is deoid of trees uh but there are some trees that are offsite. Uh the plans showing physical removal of three trees. uh we know when you start to impact more than 30% of critical root zones of trees, it
can have significant impacts on their health. Uh and so included as a revised condition of approval uh was just noting that we want to have a better understanding of what those removals are. Uh understanding and recognizing that the developer and the To villas HOA
had some agreements to some additional tree removals uh that would uh occur. And so we want we're advocating uh for uh working with the developer to reduce the amount of grading impacts to those
trees to try to preserve some additional trees. Uh but then also really understanding uh what the true uh removal is ahead of final. So now moving into uh the third request as it relates to the comp plan
amendment. Uh so a comp plan as you know uh is the document that guides city growth for 20 years uh in a number of different areas including land use, transportation, parks and trails and public facilities. Uh since the 2000
comp plan uh there was a key land use goal uh that was to provide a green belt around uh the city's edge to essentially preserve uh Chesca's identity. Uh the comp plan in the land use chapter then uh does identify three
development strategies and policies in order to really preserve uh and guide development within that green belt. And if you remember uh from the concept plan, one of the uh kind of lingering
questions was whether or not a comp plan amendment uh would be required for this development to move forward. And part of that uh was rooted in recognition that in 2006 uh there was an
amendment to the two 2020 plan again that was adopted in 2000 uh that really allowed for chioal uh to develop. So it introduced that third uh development strategy to allow for cluster style development. And at that
time in that 2006 amendment, the site, as you can see here, was included in all of the exhibits uh for that land use change and for that MUSA boundary adjustment. And that uh it should be noted again
that you know the 10 units that you're seeing this evening uh and the 2.41 41 acres of development area that that staff has, you know, uh, communicated extensively with the developer is really rooted in what was approved for the site as part of that 2006 amendment.
uh the the question of whether or not the amendment was required uh was because the 2030 and the 2040 so those subsequent plans uh showed that Shioval got it as conservation residential uh but the subject property uh really
remained as rural residential and was omitted from uh that Musa u map. So, we've had conversations uh with the Met Council. Uh they've confirmed uh that they do have to go through the comp plan amendment process. Uh so, there is
information about what that process looks like in your staff report for this evening. Uh and that's really because those those guide those subsequent plans uh became the official guiding documents. So, those are the the approved plans.
So, uh kind of walking through then knowing that a comp plan is required. Uh there those three policies in the comp plan. Uh there the first two really get to rural development guiding. The second one gets to extremely low or very low
density at community entrances. Uh we're not going to spend too much time talking about them because they're uh going under that cluster development that third policy similar to Shioal. The comp plan does uh say that in order to do a cluster development, you have to
go through a comp plan amendment process. Uh it outlines then a number of objectives that that staff is looking at and evaluating uh when determining if that that amendment is appropriate. It really gets to uh location of the site
uh the availability in connection to existing infrastructure or proposed infrastructure. uh and then it's looking at uh what the development density is. And so you can see that uh it's checking those boxes. Uh the remaining box then really gets to
uh viewshed uh open space and natural resource protection at key community entrances. And so the the green belt plan there's there's eight community entrances uh identified. Uh one of them is northeast
of the site. So at that 86th Street and Bavaria Road intersection, the comp plan is really seeing development at those uh key community entrances is extremely important. So it's it's providing a lot of guidance uh for what that view and
what that feel should be at that community entrance and you can start to see that in uh Siobhal's approved landscaping plan uh that staff used to evaluate the current proposal and then what's out there today. So, as you move from the Victoria uh Chaza city boundary
and as you're moving east uh towards the subject property and that key community entrance, you're starting to see an increase in screening. So, on the kind of Victoria Chaza boundary, you're you're still seeing some of those rooftops. You're still seeing some of that development. As you get to uh that
roundabout, that traffic circle, even though development is still similarly distanced, you're not seeing it. you're you're really seeing this burmed and this heavy landscaping. And the thought then is that that is providing that that transition into that key community
entrance. And so we're we're evaluating uh again using the chioal's approved landscaping and screening plan that is really um protecting that viewshed inwards uh so
from those those adjacent roadways inwards towards the development uh to the concept plan and uh the current plan at concept plan uh we noted that there's probably some additional landscaping needed. We wanted to understand uh what
that viewshed was by way of some sections and the applicant uh did revise their plans. They provided some additional screening to the north provided again some additional information on uh what that birming uh
looked like but uh staff is really still uh has some concerns as it relates to what that viewshed looks like. And that gets to, you know, the original the approved screening section uh for this
area is including a a tall burm uh roughly 100 ft wide. There's really a mix of natives, coniferous, and deciduous trees uh that are really obscuring that view uh from the adjacent roadway.
The views uh as currently proposed are really relying heavily on uh fully grown vegetation. So all of the vegetation that's really proposed is is at a pretty similar height of 40 to 50 feet. And they're relying on uh that about 10 to
15 years from uh development to provide what they're showing as as the uh full uh obscuring. But again, uh there's the landscaping choices. Uh there's two coniferous species. They're known to
drop their needles. So there's not going to be as much screening during the winter time when those remaining deciduous trees are dropping their leaves and then again uh relying less on the burming and more on that full growth.
Uh so I think in summary uh it's important to note that staff is is ultimately supportive of the comp plan amendment and to reguide the property and then also uh to adjust that Musa boundary and we'll continue to work with
the developer on uh that viewshed uh analysis. So some things to work on uh ahead of final plat as staff sees it. again landscaping plan and view sheds. Uh we'll continue coordination on uh off-site grading impacts. Uh we'll
continue to work on sidewalk connections, drainage and storm water. And then just the understanding conserva the conservation access and right-of-way easements and then ensuring that those lots are reconfigured uh in such a way
that the lot widths are matching uh to Laro Villas without uh exceeding that 2.41 acres uh that was originally allocated for the property. And I I weaved some of this into my presentation uh at the planning
commission last Thursday. Uh there were four residents that spoke. A lot of their comments echoed uh what those heard during the uh concept plan. I think some of the newer ones. Again, uh there was some conversation about uh
who's going to own the fence when it's relocated and what are the responsibilities of that. uh they were advocating for uh a longer use of that construction access and so they were requesting some additional conversations and coordination as it centered around
that. Uh the planning commission uh ultimately concurred with a lot of their uh concerns uh and directed staff to continue to work with the developer on some of those outstanding items. And then ultimately uh they made the
recommendation to you this evening for approval. So with that uh there are three requests before you this evening and I'll turn it back to you u mayor if you have any questions or discussion. >> I have a question. It might be Oh sorry.
>> No go ahead. I it might not be significant, but when does the development of the site plan on starting and how does that coincide with the tearing up and repaving of Bavaria? The >> well the the actual milling and
overlaying of Bavaria will probably only take a couple weeks. >> Okay. >> So, it won't take that long. Okay. >> Um I don't think it's really going to have too much of an impact uh just because of where they're going to have their construction access going back there. Uh but that the milling and and
overlay operation is actually pretty short. >> Okay. >> So, >> does anybody else have any questions for staff at all? >> All right. A developer wants to come on up and have a chat. >> Absolutely. Uh thank you so much, Madame
Mayor, members of council. Appreciate the opportunity to be before you this evening. My name is Megan Rogers. I'm an attorney with Len Hoffman. and I work with Kadriga Ventures who's the developer for this project. Um so so first and foremost really want to thank staff for the time that they've taken uh
working with us on this project. Uh it's about two years uh in the in the line of getting 10 lots. Uh so that is um it's it's been sort of a long road. Um but that has uh really been based upon the collaborative approach that we've taken
with the neighborhood um to work to sort of make this work not only uh for for our client and for the Stoer parcel um but also for those single family homes um that have been there for over 20 years now which is kind of surprising. Um so I wanted to talk a little bit more
about the areas of flexibility uh that we brought up to the planning commission and wanted to bring um you know sort of in in context and in in concert with staff's presentation tonight. Um so you know first and foremost this plan is
aligned with the one-third 2/3 uh allocation of developable area and non-developable area that's consistent within Chafal um and staff highlighted the lot sizes in particular um as an area that we needed to improve upon from concept plan and we were successful in
that in terms of the square footage. Um, one thing that is remaining and that we're we're working through from an engineering perspective, but I would appreciate council's um, uh, advice and and thoughts on is that, uh, if you look at the overall site plan, uh, there are,
uh, the two lots that are immediately adjacent to the culdesac have limited rightway um, or limited lot frontage. They have they're the same lot size as the rest of the lots, but they're sort of cut in a triangle. Um and then this goes on to talking a little bit more
about uh the site plan and the sidewalks that are proposed for the site. Um and one of the things is that those two lots are unique um in terms of how they interact with the roadway. Um and so but they uh will physically appear the same
58 lot square footage. And if you see on that site, they sort of extend backwards. >> Hold on, Ashley. Can you can you bring it up? I'm I I just want to double check that I'm got the right ones in front of us that you're speaking about.
>> Thank you so much. Appreciate it. >> So, you're saying rather than rectangles, they're lots of more triangle like pies shaped. >> That's correct. And so from a code perspective, um they they do measure at 42 square feet across um in the driveway area, but when they immediately back up,
um you see that they actually are angled outwards. >> Is it number five on both? Is that what we're speaking about? >> And those are 58 ft across. Um and so you know when we look at this site we are limited in terms of uh how we
develop the property uh based upon that 1/3 two/3s analysis. Um and we found this design to be sort of effective way for these lots to present um just as the curb homes present. um while also uh
making sure that we are very much abiding by that 1/3 2/3 the 2.1 acres versus the 6.2 acres um of developable space. Um and that is a condition of approval that staff is requiring or recommending tonight. Um and I would
seek uh you know council's guidance on that. um and if there is an opportunity for some flexibility there. Uh and in concert as you as you look at that design and and consider that, I'll talk a little bit about how the sidewalk design evolved. Um and because it has to
do with this uh lot outline as well. Um, so the the sidewalk that's proposed on the north side of the Toaro Court, um, it currently, uh, it aligns and connects with the existing sidewalk, uh, on to
uh, Toaro Drive. To curve, there we go. To curve. Um, and so the idea is to create sort of pedestrian connectivity so that you cross at one location um, as compared to crossing within the street. crossing within the street is c certainly something that we could do and we could add a sidewalk um on the south
side here. We do want to keep the majority of the sidewalk outside of the culdesac. Um and the reason for that is that the the residents of curve have long talked about the issue of snow snow storage on this property. Um and one of
the things that they would like to see is to be able to push snow all the way to the end of this expanded culde-sac. Um and then this would allow for less impervious surface in that area and it will also create consistency in terms of overall green space. Um so this area um
at the end of the culdesac is going to be um is again is open space is an outlot um and will go back to the overall villas conjoined to villas to court neighborhood. >> Is that we we plow this right?
>> Yeah. Okay. >> Is the culdeac big enough? I mean, a lot of the culde-sacs like in my neighborhood, the snow ends up in the middle. >> That's what that's been our practice is to actually push it in the middle of the culdeac. Uh, >> that's what I was wondering. Yeah. >> Like, we're not going to push it up on
some grass. >> No, we don't push it up. Now, the neighborhood would like us to put an island in the middle of this culde-sac that would be similar to what is in the existing uh Toro curve culde-sac, which would require some place to not put the
snow in the middle. And so, >> well, that's why they have nowhere to put their snow. >> Yeah. Well, it doesn't matter if there's an island or or if there isn't. We put the snow in the middle of the >> culdeac. >> Even if there's an island. >> Yeah. The only one I can think of is
over in the harvest >> on the snow question. Um, and this is me getting into curves neighborhood associations business, but I believe they have snow clearing for their driveways. >> Oh yeah, that's what it was.
>> And I suspect that those snow clearers are dragging the snow out into the street and pushing it somewhere, right? Whereas >> those of us without that service just put it onto our yard. >> Are you? So I think that maybe that's one route of their concern of where snow I think it's driven more by that than
>> Okay. >> Is this going to be a part of the same HOA? >> It sure is. >> Okay. So then they would be clearing the driveways of these homes as well. >> So they're pushing their snow up on their grass. >> Nobody else would. But right now they're not. They're just going across.
>> No, I know. No, I get that. But it wouldn't be like we're not going to put the snow up there. >> It would be their drag. >> So they're going to have to drag their That's fun for them. Whoever removes their snow is gonna have to go around our snow pile, put the snow up there. That's good. >> Or like she said, they're gonna instead of having to push it across the street, they're gonna have to start putting it
on their yards like everyone else. >> So, they have an island right there. Are we putting the snow in that island? Is that what we're doing? >> I don't know for sure, but I suspect we are. I mean, I don't know what kind of landscaping uh exists there, but I suspect we are putting snow there. >> I just don't remember an island being on
here. >> I guess my suggestion would be, you know, there's a discussion on the island. And there's discussion around where snow is going to go, discussion around how the lots are going to, you know, ultimately be solved for. Um, I mean, those are all questions, right,
that staff is happy to continue to work with the developer on. I think there's a coordinated effort that needs to happen with public works to make sure that we understand that. Um, and, you know, hopefully there's ways to, you know, make those adjustments to make the lot was uh, you know, conform to code. Um, I
would, if you're looking for a suggestion, you haven't asked it, but I'll give it anyway. Um, I think, you know, those are >> I always like Nate's suggestions. >> There you go. I think those are great things for us to work with the developer on. I I don't know that those are issues that will get solved here this evening.
I just don't think we have enough information to solve that. >> So, we're going to continue the conversation. >> Yeah. I mean, because we really need to be able to talk with public works about I mean, because this isn't the only neighborhood if they are getting their their driveways plowed.
>> It's not the only neighborhood associ association we have where that happens. I mean, when I lived in Cloverfield, we had that at our house. >> And so, I mean, this happens at other places in the community. So, we we can definitely figure it out. >> Okay. >> Miss Rogers, who maintains the
landscaping in the island if that happens? >> It is the HOA to an encroachment agreement that's in public right away. It's my understanding that that is a special uh that's a special island. It also has utilities and electricity
attached to it. Yes, it's magical and has special powers, Mr. City Attorney. Uh so I I I know I probably don't know enough about how that existing island worked, but it is a design feature that the the neighborhood specifically raised
at planning commission as a desire. Um now from a development perspective, you know, we would want to work through that. uh with the city and also you know from from a from a practical perspective I think we believe that not having an island is is the e is the best way to
build this um because it's difficult for snow plows curbs are often chipped in the course of sort of getting around that in terms of larger trucks um there are the maintenance requirements all of those types of things uh and so we would not necessarily be in
>> we we are not married to the idea of an island um And certainly if there are reasons that it would not be beneficial for the city, we would be interested to hear those. >> I agree with Nate and and trust that everything will work. But I will say that I am certainly not a fan of
creating >> obstacles >> obstacles or something different for our city plows. Yeah. that create a complaint cycle because I can see how that could create a compl like they're not doing what they're supposed to be doing because they've forgotten they put it in the middle because everywhere else
they're putting in the middle, >> right? >> And and we all know and take pride for two things. One, we know that getting road plows are important in Minnesota and we do take a lot of pride in the city of Chesa of getting people those road plot quickly.
>> Yeah. >> And so I I again >> and safely. >> Safely. So, I trust that it'll all work out. I will say I really do not like the idea of like for this group we're going to push the snow onto a grassy space because in the end I don't think we are and then it's weird because our snow
will be one place and their snow will be somewhere else and it just becomes >> Yeah, I mean I can understand the aesthetic of it but I agree and I also look at just the structure of that culde-sac in comparison to the existing one and they're even shaped a little bit differently. I just don't I don't don't
view that as a successful entity there. But >> yeah, but again, I you summed up well. It'll work it way it'll work its way out. You're very engaged right now. >> He became re-engaged >> after he got called out.
>> At least he stayed. >> I hope that gives you a little bit of clarity. >> No, it certainly does. And I appreciate it. And and so then there's one area another area of clarity um that I was hopeful that we could discuss this evening. Um and that's specifically with regard uh to the landscaping that
surrounds this property. Okay. >> Um and you know staff has done a really nice job uh in talking about the goals of the comp plan require this area to feel visually remote. Um th that those are sort of the magic words that are incorporated into that descriptive
language. Um and and one of the things that is important to our eventual builder which is Gaia Homes and Stonegate um is to uh retain some of the viewshed of the equestrian facility um
in terms of how the new homes as well as the the existing homes see through um the uh supplemental landscaping to the equestrian lots. So, our existing homeowners are are wishing to see the the equestrian farm.
>> Everybody wants to see the horses is the is the general answer. >> See the horses. >> I know. I just want I want to make sure I'm understanding that correctly. >> That's exactly right. Uh and and so one of the the issues that raises is that the um along 86th Street in the areas
that that uh Planer Collie shared um there are more dense uh tree screening areas there. However, they're approximately 100 feet from 86th Street. Uh the edge of this uh 6 acre parcel is
se 600 or 768 ft from 86th Street. And so um we would recommend and we would seek council support for sort of a layered approach to screening in this space, which is we're retaining the broader uh equestrian fields through
that conservation easement. Then there will be the burm um that was well noted uh is 12 feet but really appears as five feet. Um so about a miiz burm and then um and then the trees that will cascade
off of that. Um that is the the desire of our builder is to ultimately be able to have um some ability to see through to those larger equestrian spaces. And we believe that that is consistent ultimately um with the guidance of the comp plan uh because the distance
between these homes and the roadway along with a preservation of an agricultural use retains that visually remote feel. >> Okay. >> A less fancy way of saying that. >> Well, so I I mean obviously I think these guys
have to take a look at at that. The one cautionary uh sentiment I'd throw out is that there was a lot of thought put into Chvel and a lot of thought put in put into the
fact that it was originally guided as four houses per 40 acres or one house per 10 acre. So it felt very rural. Uh, one of the things, and you saw it on the pictures that they showed from the the 86th Street on the north side of the the
site, even in skinny areas where there wasn't a lot to work with, there was >> Thank you. Absolutely. there was pretty significant burming uh that was put up there um to really create uh to to really uh that people didn't see houses
uh when they were uh driving down the road that really maintain that rural character. Um, if we were to do something that really didn't create that that visual block from people driving down the road of
seeing the those homes, it really sort of take away from from what everything else in Chvel has worked to to maintain as those viewsheds. And respectfully I would add that uh ret retention of those view sheds is
achieved through the distance. It's achieved through the retention of that broader conservation easement. Um the existing pastures those pastures are not going to be um planted or treed, right? They are they are going to be utilized um as as equestrian training facilities
as they are today. Um and that space that that continued sort of visual will continue. Um and then with the like sort of the the treed uh proposal that we have put forward which includes a burm and trees but not as heavy as as
currently proposed um for those properties that are sign substantially closer to the roadway >> which I think overall makes sense because they're closer to the roadway but you're doing that staggered approach of the burm and then the trees behind it. So you'll still have that rural
feel. Um, but I think it also lends to being able to see those equestrian. If you have too many trees, all of a sudden you've lost your view of, you know, the equestrians. I think that part makes sense. >> That was kind of the point. >> But >> yeah, if I, if I might, um, just kind of add here, I think
going back to the vision that's established for the green belt, um, that's articulated in the comprehensive plan, it's really about setting a rural edge and separation for Chesa as a community. Um and so it points towards these uh key entry points which one of
them is Bavaria Road. Um and setting that rural viewshed and wanting to have that clear um you know separation that preserves the city's um identity as a standalone community and that's you know that's the big driving factor behind
this. So I think for council as you're thinking through you know the guidance and you know what level that we're trying to achieve here the reason that staff is recommending what we are um is to apply the policy to be consistent with the level also to be consistent
with the level of landscaping that was um anticipated in the in the concept plan for Shaval that was originally approved. Um, but also thinking ahead, this is not the only area of Chaska that has yet to develop and establish the green belt in this location. I think the
fort, you know, one of the benefits out of this project is that it does complete an an edge to the green belt and it does complete a key community entrance. Um, but since it does complete that, I think doing it right um is important, whatever right means. Um, I think staff's got our
version. Obviously, the developer is making a different has a different perspective. Um, but the nature of the policy for the green belt is not necessarily focused on the viewshed for the folks or the the users that lie within it. It's really focused on the
view shed for the entry. >> I think that's a really key point here is when when the city changed its its plan out here, it was to say what is going to benefit the community, not what's going to benefit this individual
homeowners that are within that neighborhood. Not that they shouldn't have a great place to be, but the goal wasn't to say, "Okay, there's a horse stable that's outside. We want them to see it." It was to say, "No, the community drives down Bavaria Road. We
want to make sure that we keep that identity of Chaza, that it doesn't bleed into uh another community like Victoria and that we uh that we have a community benefit uh that comes out of that, not
just individual benefits that come out of the homeowners that can look out into the into the horse area. >> Yeah. And I feel like residents, not all of them, but I think that that's an asset to the residents of that space, too, right? like I get the worst thing. But
>> I mean to feel like you're >> in a more rural setting. >> Yeah. >> I mean that's the setup. So >> um I guess it's like oneonone like I sided with you with the snow removal and the sidewalk situation, but I kind of hold
true on the city here where um there's a lot of great things about those houses in that space. And I feel like preserving the community asset versus I like to see the horses. Again, I say I don't say that lightly. It sounds like it's kind of funny, but it's true. I
would side with that city piece. That's just kind of my perspective because again, I think that is important. I also kind of think back I think about just the intention of what this neighborhood was originally supposed to look like and the originality of it was that there was
going to be houses on both sides of this road. That view shed would have been >> changed then >> changed then and I know that the HOA of this culde-sac they went through and they bought the outlots that kind of maybe preserved some of it. So they do have some benefit in that, but then
there was also an opportunity for this to be developed. And that sometimes is kind of those realities, even though it can be really hard, that what you're going to see out your backyard may change as there is open developable
land. And that's just sometimes those are just those painful realities for for the homeowners. Unfort >> I think that's well said. We've had a lot of development with conversation about I was used to an open field. It's now houses. I'm used to
>> and like you said >> open field and it's lighted ball fields and turf spaces, right? Like >> Yep. >> It's it's if it's not horses, it's going to be something else that people get used to. >> And that's not said to minimize that. I understand the like the in the financial investment, the emotional investment,
home ownership, and so I don't take that lightly. Um, but it is also kind of threading that needle of what are we going to be able to do to make this viewscape look rural and beautiful because that's why they selected that and why these future homeowners are, you
know, going to select this neighborhood as well. But I also think just as a whole, the aesthetic of the neighborhood plan for the community is something that we have to be very mindful of what their originality, what the intention was. >> But I think to tag team off that, we we've got to be We've got to stick to
what was originally planned because otherwise if one neighborhood says we want this view and then the next one says oh I'm losing my view but that's not fair you did you know so back to all the easements and everything else we've done you have to keep it fair and if it's >> inequities >> well I I thank you for your time this
evening and I very much appreciate staff support of the project and we look forward to bringing you a final plat very quickly >> thank you again >> appreciate you being here >> I did have. So, I just had a quick question. I don't think you're I think it's more of a staff question, so you're okay. I I wasn't going to let you run
off and then make you run back up. Um the conservation easement the So, the horse farm is going to be there and it sounds like it's going to be occupied. So, there it will be someone will live there, right, as part of that?
Or is that not I mean that was one thing I was kind of like that's a >> Are we talking about the old Redmond ranch that? >> No. Uh it's the >> the Ster on the range. Oh, >> is that what it's called? >> So there mayor if I may uh currently
they do uh Airbnb the existing home out. So it is being listed. I don't believe the intent is for the property owner to reside at that property, but >> but just continue to have it be a rentable Airbnb space. >> Okay. Okay.
>> I just was curious if there were going to be people on that property. Okay. >> Um does anybody have any other questions for for staff or for the applicant? Otherwise, I'd entertain a motion. We've
got a few got a few of them. I got to get one in front of me. >> Would just point out the comp plan amendment requires a four fifths vote. >> Oh, thank you. >> It's a lot of pressure. >> You're really teeing it up over
that was some spirited discussion. >> We just didn't know it. >> Okay. Well, all right. In that spirit, I'd still entertain uh entertain a motion. >> I'm trying to pull
>> um my thing is like I'll make a motion to adopt >> resolution number 2025-46. >> Okay. I have a motion from council member Hatfield. >> Second. >> A second from council member Gra. Any discussion?
Otherwise, all those in favor say I. >> I >> I opposed. Motion carries. The next is I think an or the adoption of ordinance number 1068. >> No need. >> I'll make a motion for resolution number
2025-4. >> Oh, thank DPL 19th edition. >> Okay. So, I have a motion from council member Hatfield. >> Second. >> A second from council member Bennish. Any discussion? All those in favor say I. I opposed. >> Motion carries.
>> Now you can have your ordinance. >> Now I would entertain a motion for ordinance number 1068. >> Motion to approve. >> Okay. So have a motion from um Council Member Chevlin. And I'll make a second. So second from
Mayor Hubard. Uh uh any discussion? All those in favor say I. >> I. Opposed. >> Ordinance carries. All right. Motion passes. Moving on. >> Did it Did it meet your approval, Mr. Milk?
>> He was smiling. >> Oh, good. Smiles. Okay. Well, that moves us along in the agenda. Thank you for being here. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> All right. So, we got the bills. That's what's next. Does anybody have a question on a bill? >> I don't have a question, but I'm going
to take this opportunity to put uh someone on the spot to give me some information. >> Yeah, Mike. >> Um, no, it's good. It's good. So it regard it's regarding >> I like that. >> Yeah. Last time he shows up. >> I'm fully engaged. >> You're fully. Okay. You know, you should
aim that at at at Nate over there because he is now fully engaged. >> All right. So, uh, wanted to just talk a little bit of it. It's regarding the community giving of for Nick Mason's fund. >> Um, >> for what? >> For Dick Mason's fund donations. Oh. >> So, I just wanted to take the
opportunity to ask and and make it public again just what that is, who Nick was. >> Um, I was fortunate enough to to know him personally and work with him on the park board. And so, when I saw that, I I I wanted to just take the shout out and I know you weren't prepared for that,
but I'm sure you can talk about it or someone could talk about it, but just talk a little bit about what the Nick Mason Fund is and and >> Yeah. So first of all, Nick Mason was an individual who was a reporter for the Chaza Herald for some time. He actually
he was a reporter in many different newspap like big newspapers across the country and they ended up moving to to Chaza and and was a reporter here. At the same time he served on the park board uh and became very passionate about uh just our whole parks program,
our community center, everything in the community. uh unfortunately he got ill and passed away and boy I'd say that's probably about 10 years ago now uh that he passed away and uh when he did pass away his wife created uh donated money
to the city and sort of created seed money for the Nick Mason scholarship which in essence allows uh uh people who aren't able to afford our recreational programs and services the opportunity to be able to have that scholarship pay for
it. Uh, and what's been great about it is, you know, it started with the seed money, uh, that came in there, but it's been replenished by people donating to this, uh, as well as, uh, dunk, >> the dunk tank, um, you know, different fundraisers like that to be able to put
dollars back into that fund. And that fund is is really used, which is really great. Um, and, uh, just shows what kind of legacy he he left on for our programming. So, >> perfect. That's exactly what I wanted to just share with everyone because um
yeah, it just jumped out to me and he was awesome to work with and and was, you know, you said it right, passionate for the details on >> I was going to say he was a super detailed man. I remember some of those those parkour meetings because just you get into the details and and you just and you need that. You need someone who
just, you know, gets in on those details was great. But, you know, sometimes you're kind of like, can we can we get past this? Right. But so I I appreciate that. Thank you for that conversation. >> That's a great question and or a great explanation.
Mine wasn't so much a specific bill question, but I um Mount Pleasant was on here and you know we do we we maintain that cemetery. My question was um kind of what's the schedule of maintenance like for bigger maintenance pieces of
Mount Pleasant? because I I've had some constituents, you know, ask me like, you know, the gate, you know, some of those bigger components like what's the schedule like on that? >> Uh I I don't have it right in front of me now what exactly is, but typically
especially like the gate out in front that gets a lot of snow spray uh coming off of Highway 41, which has salt and all that kind of stuff with it. So it is about every 10 years uh that we have to go in and we have to completely refinish it. That is the original gate. Uh so
that >> that dates way back. So it's >> that wasn't the cemetery of 41. >> So it's uh uh so it's a very old uh things if you go some of the tombstones in the very first parts of the of the cemetery are definitely the pioneers of
this area uh that were buried there. So uh we do that. Um, I've been asked before about if we ever jack up tombstones, things like that. That ends up being the responsibility of any family members. Okay. Uh, but we take
care of sort of more like the infrastructure like the roads, the fencing. >> What about like the flowers and like memorial entities? >> Yeah. So, there's a schedule that those stay out. And I the thing I don't know is I don't know if we actually go through the process of of cleaning those
or if that's done by uh we contract out the mowing uh of that uh to to an outside party. Um typically we try to leave memorials around uh as long as possible and typically it's seasonal then when it when they're actually
removed. So things that just don't make it through the winter and those those types of things. use that as an opportunity to to clean uh you know things that are around uh graves because people can put a lot of stuff around uh that and every once in a while we'll get
comments about that. >> Yeah. >> Yep. And that was kind of kind of in that in that remedy or that line. So >> I know they did just go through and they added like row markers and benches and things that looked really nice. It doesn't seem like they take things off too often because like in my dad's
grave, I know that we have like some stuff sitting there a long time that I went to clean his stone with some special cleaner and like removed all of that stuff. So, it does seem like um they don't they kind of leave it. >> Yeah, it's there there's a little
history. >> I'm sure it depends on how much it's like >> history to that. There was there was one uh family in particular that uh this was years ago 25 26 years ago that got quite
upset when we removed uh some stuff off of there. And so we've been we've been very judicious about not doing it unless it really, you know, something that needs to be, you know, addressed. >> Sure. >> Okay.
>> It it's a it's it's a sensitive topic. >> Absolutely. Well, absolutely, absolutely. And I also think too just the like geographically it's like, you know, it's kind of hilly and and and the history of it. So, you know, I imagine that's um >> a challenge to maintain. So,
>> I would be interested in like the sidewalks and the road because I think the road feel might have been done in the last several years or like at least overlaid. >> I think it was overlaid the same time that they did the fence. Yeah, I think that was it. But the in the middle those
sidewalks I think are pretty rough. So, they might be talking about that. But the benches and the um like the markers and uh like the row markers and some of the signage looked really nice when they did that a couple years ago. >> I I'll find out specifics. So, >> okay. No, that's fine. It was just
something that again at River City Days was asked and I didn't have a I didn't write it down, but when I saw it up on the bills, I thought, "Oh, yeah. I know when I've been up into we go up by monthly up to the Adelwood neighborhood and I know I've gotten that question. >> Yeah. And I think that some of the residents that were that live in that
neighborhood um were just curious and I think some of them even in kind of expressed like that they would be willing to volunteer, but I I obviously don't want to put anybody up to that. I just didn't you know it was just more of like oh find out some more information.
So >> yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Awesome. Okay. Uh, anybody have any questions further? Otherwise, we'll do a roll call vote here. Oh, no. We need a motion, a second. Wow, I'm jumping jumping off. >> Motion to pay the bills. >> Thank you.
>> Second. >> Okay, we have a motion from Council Member Grant, a second from Council Member Chevlin. Uh, all those in or wait, roll call vote. >> Council member Hatfield, >> yes. >> Council member Banish, >> yes. >> Council member Chevlin, >> yes. >> Council member McGrath, >> I. Mayor Hover.
>> I I I had it together and then I start falling apart about this point in time in the meeting. So bear with me people. Yeah, it's been a long day. Um okay, that brings us to other business. Um let's start with Council Member Gro today.
>> Sure. Uh I just used this really nice magazine in front of me to jot down ideas that come to my mind. So sorry whoever this pullman is on the front. Um just a couple of things. Just a shout out to the Chesa Cubs. Good luck. states. They're qualifying. They got fairly high. I think they're the number
two overall seed if I understand how CDL works on that bracket. Uh so good luck. They've had a really good year. I know we've talked about before. And so, uh the state tournament starts and I know there was some organ I don't have the details, but Facebook's great for that. There is opportunities to ride a bus to
go to the game to cheer on the Cubs. Uh and let's hope they make along. >> I think it's in Gaylord, right? >> Yes. >> Yes. Yep. >> Yep. So, >> so >> yeah, Sunday >> uh on that theme same theme uh sports theme also want to recognize well actually I will just say school theme
recognize that a lot of uh extracurricular activities started this week with sports and everything like that >> um and arts as well and I I think it's I don't take this for granted just because I clearly if people watch any of this they realize I'm a passionate sports individual in general and an inspiring
arts person but I was not very artistically inclined Um, but when you talk about the best small town in Minnesota and you talk about community, you can't ignore the the fact that sports and arts for the school system
builds that, right? So, that's why I I don't take that for granted and just good luck and wish those teams well and those arts well as those go well. Um and because we will not have another meeting before school starts uh to remind individuals to slow down on
roads. >> Yes, >> buses will be new traffic will be out, new traffic patterns, kids getting used to those. Um so wishing all those families a successful start to their school year. Uh a shout out to all
administration and staff and teachers. You are awesome. Uh we could not have communities without you. Uh, so just a a thankful. I know they're exciting. I, you know, I know a few teachers who are, you know, back in their school or in their classrooms this week. So,
appreciate that. And then lastly, a shout out to my oldest son who on Saturday will become a teenager. >> Uh, which is a little You talk about feeling old. Uh, there it was. Right. So, happy birthday, Elijah. On Saturday,
birthday. >> Wow. 13. That's crazy. And that is all I have, man. >> Wow, that's crazy. >> You're telling me. >> I can't even believe that. >> Wow. Okay. All right. You just blew my
mind. Okay, moving on. All right, Council Member Chevlin. >> Um, so I wanted to remind you that you can take the bus to the fair and to the Renaissance. It started and I have seen at least at East Creek a lot of traffic coming in and out of there. So that's exciting that people are using it. Um,
and you pay for one and you can go to both. So, if you have an interest in both, feel free to take up the public transit option. Um, again, on your uh back, the school is starting. So, good luck to all of the school kids. Um, I
always have to add for the private school kids, we don't necessarily see as much about you, but we're excited for everything you're going to do this year. And I know um there are 11 Chaza kindergarters going to St. Hubert's this fall. So, that is a huge class from Chesk and very exciting to see all those guys coming. Um, and then last but not
least, if you are driving down 41, please, please, please slow down a little bit. There is a lot of traffic that thinks because there's no traffic coming, stop lightss don't matter. And there's been a a big problem with cars going fast. So, for those that do use 41 as an access out to the rest of the
world or for school kids that aren't going to start using it to get into school, just make sure you're slowing down because the stop lightss right now don't mean much, but they're um they're there for a reason. >> Those are all very, very valid points. Awesome. All right. All right, Council Member Benes, this is going right on
down the line. >> Yeah. Uh, I want to echo all those comments, especially with school starting. Everybody, just be mindful, especially with new drivers out there, too, driving to school for the first times. Um, let's just be aware of that. Uh, Chaza Cubs, that's awesome. I'm
excited to see how far they go. Uh, good luck to all the Chesa sports teams as well. Um, and lastly, I saw a post uh not too long ago, this week, that Patron will be reopening sometime soon. We don't know when, I don't think, but uh
good luck to them and hopefully things have improved for them and they're excited to reopen. So, looking forward to that. That's all I got. >> Great. Awesome. All right. All right. Council me. >> Yeah.
>> Um first I want to say congrats to the city of Carver for winning the 199 Battle of the Cities. I don't even know if it really had a title, but um they got a nice big donation in there and the food. I thought the bountiful basket put it well that the real winners were all the families that are being helped
because the numbers are crazy. Um, so night to night 5,567 pounds of food and $18,25941 were donated to Bonaful Basket from the four cities. So that's incredible and will go a long ways to um people that
need it. So that's incredible and I'm not salty that we didn't win. Um, but >> we just we have we're going to have a better plan next year. I I see a kind of game that's been put down and that's fine. >> Go Chesa by neighborhood versus the other cities were pulled into one. All neighborhoods.
>> No, we did we did all pool into one for Chaza, but then we then we did break it down for the for the not the pizza party, the Jersey Mike's party. >> Do we know what neighborhood won from Chaza? >> Did Wood again? >> Again? >> I was going to say I don't know. I didn't get informed that I got informed
the stats that you had announced. >> Sorry. >> No, you're good. No, you I didn't have them written down, so that's great. >> But, uh, so yeah, congrats to Carver and, you know, amazing. Um, we love having Bon Basket in our community and the fact that they can serve so many with those donations. And thank you to,
it sounds like it was Sarah um, from the fire department and Chanhassen, I can't remember the G's name from the Chanhassen Fire Department that kind of had the idea. Um, so thank you to them for having the idea because it's great and those are the kind of ideas. That's what I like love about our city staff where they think of things and they
mention things and then we can actually do them and look at all the good that was done. >> Well, and I think it's great that all four cities were on board to do it and and you know Yeah. And in it >> and it's probably a tradition now so that'll continue. >> Well, let's hope so. >> Yeah, I bet it will. And it's actually
going to expand because there's some other organizations within our like city limits that are that was a great idea. I want to take part. >> And then some events coming up. Coffee with a Cop is this Wednesday at 9:00 a.m. at Jones Coffee, which I think it's the first one at Jones Coffee. So, I think that's pretty exciting. I could be
wrong, but I think it is. Um, so you can go have some coffee with the cops down there on Wednesday. Um, that's always good time. And then Latin music and food fest is coming up September 12th at Fireman's Park 6 to 10. That's always such good food. >> Fabulous.
>> Favorite night of the year to go eat at Fireman's Park for sure. Um and then Chaska Cares is September 20th. So lots to do in September. Um really good lineup of music after our last meeting where Matt mentioned um you know the headliner and all the other bands. I
went and looked them all up on social media and really good music. So, um I think that it'll both be great nights. Um yeah. >> Is there fireworks with the Latin music? >> There is a Latin music. >> So, that's even better cuz they're early because it gets dark early. So, it's
>> not the cares one. >> Yeah. Okay. Fireworks. I didn't realize that. So, that's awesome. Um and then, uh the last thing is a pretty big announcement that I've been waiting six and a half years for. The city of Shaska now has a Tik Tok
>> and it's amazing. >> I was like, where are we going? I thought you were gonna say we're gonna have a meeting here. >> Oh, what? >> We have a Tik Tok account. There is a video on it. I was the first comment and the first like. Um, it's really such an honor to get to be a part of this time
when this happened in our city. So, >> I actually I never look at Tik Tok and I actually happen to see that for some reason. I'm like >> I had the feel like we have Tik Tok. So, how'd you see it? If you don't have it, >> I Well, I have Tik Tok, but I never looked it. >> Oh,
>> oh. >> So, if you've been around for any amount of time, you know, that's been something I've been chasing after for us. And thank you to Christa and communications team that made that happen. So, >> and then I will be missing the next meeting. That's all I had. >> Oh,
>> who's putting the content on the TikTok? I mean, like, is it driven by the city? >> Communication. So, Christa. >> That's cool. >> Yeah. Yeah, I'm still not downloading that app, but congratulations. >> You do a good job. Like you think I do
not have Tik Tok either, but the video I'm thinking of was a touch a truck. It's like you could touch it. Like just >> Yeah, the audio was really funny. >> No horns, right? Trucks, trucks, trucks. I was just like, ah gosh, this is good stuff. >> Yeah. Yeah, you do see some really interesting ones even from different
cities to kind of like, well, that's it's very interesting. So, lots of fun things to be had. Some of my favorite Tik Toks and or reals or whatever videos on social media are from um >> Victoria had one where they were trying to announce something and some of water over somebody's head.
>> Savage is always funny. Shock has their rare moments. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But don't worry, we're here to the game now. The best things take a little time and >> Yeah. We just now we're here. >> Yeah. Best players come off the bench to clean up. So >> awesome. All right. Great report. All right, Elise, do you got anything? So,
speaking of our stellar communications staff, in addition to developing Tik Toks, >> um they are in the final moments of rolling out the Chesca today, >> which is the new newsletter that will go to >> It's the new old news.
>> Is that what the ST like is that at the top of it? Like, >> am I the only one here that remembers when we did Chesca today? >> I used to be the insert into the Chesa Hero. We did discover that you and one other Matt were the only ones here for the >> Yeah. Sorry, Matt. >> You might be dating, you know, right there.
>> So, that used to like that was like our city newsletter for years. >> 20 years. >> I really couldn't read yet. >> Oh, [Laughter] definitely weren't paying that bill at that time. >> Sorry, Matt.
>> And that is >> very cool. >> That is exciting. That is something that we've been asking for. So, it's really fun to see it >> come >> to realization. >> It should be hitting households in the next couple weeks. >> Okay. So, it's like its own little
mailing. >> I bet you somebody when they're getting look the chess today came back. >> That's our next Tik Tok video is you opening up your mailbox and saying the you know the new old new newsletter. >> That's a really good >> angel. Let's just have him like sit
there waiting in his mailbox and just gets old. >> Or you know what? If you have old ones, you can be like in a scrapbook and be like, I really wish >> I actually had some of those. >> We could go one of him. He's looking at the old one. Oh my god, I'm 20 years older and it's still every other month. >> Every other month.
>> That's great. Great. Well, I'm excited because >> my mother lives in a different community and I see their newsletter and so I am great. I'm going to show mine with pride. So, >> I got a sneak peek from Christa last week and it looks fantastic. >> Awesome.
>> I'm excited. >> Really exciting. >> I'll be have >> professional writers creating these mats. >> Oh, yeah. >> I'll be taking a trip to >> just fine. >> We're just late to this game, too, but we're going to be better. >> Well, I'm going to take a trip to the mailbox every single day until it shows
up. >> Hopefully, you do that anyway. But >> awesome. >> That's all I have. >> Oh, well, that's a good report, >> Nate. I don't have anything, but I've enjoyed >> now that you're re-engaged to everything you can
>> because you're so engaged right now. >> Moving moving right along. Mike got anything? >> I do not have anything. >> Oh, he's like, "Why did I have to fun fact?" I was also an avid Tik Tok user, but also deleted the app. >> Did you? Okay. I only put it on my phone
once just to watch one of her videos and then I dumped it afterwards. >> Got in trouble. No, I think there is a plausible chance that China is >> here we go. [Laughter] >> What's your conspiracy theory?
>> You got your tin hat. >> Misrevealed himself as a conspiracy theory. >> That was the best part of this whole >> like council confessionals here or something. I don't know. All right. Well, that that Mike, that's a great
report, though. So, >> yeah, there you go, Matt. >> Uh, just a reminder that uh it is September 8th that we'll meet, not September 1st. >> You're stealing my thunder. >> Okay. Well, just we don't want all show up on the wrong day. So, >> technically, you weren't. >> We will have a work session beforehand.
Uh, we're gonna, you know, we have to set the maximum tax levy in September. And so we already talked about sort of the revenue side. This is going to be a focus more on the expenditure side of the general fund budget >> and that's 545 or 530. I'm not going to
text you next time because I'm going to actually know this. >> Uh I I think we could probably do 545. >> Okay, that sounds good. >> All right, >> that sounds exciting. >> You don't have to leave work early. >> That's all. >> It's very important. All right. Well, that's a good report, too. Um, well, I
was going to start off with we don't have a meeting on the 1, but no. Um, yep, we're meeting on the 8th. Uh, Labor Day. I hope everyone has a healthy and safe Labor Day. Um, and, uh, we talked about back to school.
I think we covered that really well. Just the change of schedules and just making sure that everyone is bus stop aware. um and wishing those kids a really fun and successful school year and teachers as well. Uh a couple things just recap.
Touch a truck. I don't know if anybody was able to go take a venture around, but I went and took a peek just because it was over in the Ches Commons this year. And I know that I think Park and First of all, big thank you to Park and Rex. They did a fantastic job organizing the event. they pivoted really well
because we um normally would have it at the Chesca Community Center parking lot. Um that road construction kind of said that that was not really feasible and then the there was resurfacing happening in the high school parking lot which was where it was last year and so they had
to pivot and then like you said Matt I think last meeting was that you kind of had a conversation with some of the business owners and that they would really love to have some engagement in that area too which is great. And so I just want to say a really deep appreciation to the planning because I know it's a new space, new logistics
that takes a lot of prep work. And then you have other agencies involved like I know I saw I think Mindot had a plow there and some other like Southwest Transit had a bus there. So there's some other folks that joined up along with all the other community organizations that had booths there that did outreach
and engagement with people. And then also just thank you to the businesses. I know some of them gave up their parking and I know like some of the businesses um you know participated in it but I also know some of them were a little like the just the the masses were great but it was also some people were just
going to go to the grocery store and it was like what's going on and so you know just a little bit of a mix and flow. So it all worked really good. It was really well attended and everyone had a great time and I saw several people come up to um city staff and just say that they
really enjoyed it being at that venue. Um, I know I'm sure Mary Mont Teeth probably feels a little different directing the traffic as that, but um, but it was really great to see that happen and just see it be very wellreceived. So, great job untouch a
truck. Um, night toite. We kind of recaped that already. So, it was really nice to venture out to some of the neighborhood parties and see just folks gathering together and having a good time. The weather was great. Uh so that's always such a a great event for the year and
then yeah great for the food shelf raising all the funds and the food for the community. Uh we talked about the Chesa Cubs but I also today um was able to go to the ribbon cutting for DBAT. It's one of the
um businesses that you know came through and opened. And I think they opened in the spring, but I think they they were waiting on some of their equipment and so they did their ribbon cutting today. So, it was really fun to be in that space and kind of see that kind of realized. And um it's just going to be a
great space for youth or adults to be in. I think their concept is really is centered around community and just, you know, being inclusive and creating a space for people to come and um learn a new skill, improve a skill. Uh, so they just appreciate them investing in the
community and just want to wish them the best of luck um, being up there. So I think it'll be great. >> If I could add, I thought I will say it was super cool and um, nice of them. So when they in that process of waiting for equipment because they had some backlog issues and Yep.
>> shipping, >> they really opened the doors to both softball and baseball associations and there were practices because >> rains shocker in Minnesota. um which was really kind of a good partnership and I can already see some of that. Obviously they have a a business model that helps support that
right too. So there's positives but it was just nice because you know a lot of those early practices we don't need groups don't need pitch machines they just need space to throw a ball and everything like that. So, they quickly reached out and pivoted and and you know, the few times I've been in there, it's it's a busy place. >> Yeah.
>> Um, you know, they're they bring in instructors. I think actually tomorrow they have an instructor that's been um >> uh did some work with some really good teams in SEC, which is kind of a baseball powerhouse conference. Um so, yeah, just, you know, really good good
partnership. I think they'll be a really strong asset. >> Yeah, they talked about just being really embraced and welcomed into the community and they said that we had a really strong baseball softball community. So, they knew that this is where they wanted to make that investment and it's already been, you know, paying off for them. And I also >> they're just located over by um off of
Ingler and uh Oh, I never remember that. >> Yeah. Clover Drive. It's kind of >> Swagger Lock by Swagger Lock. >> Yep. Swag Lock. Yep. Opped. Well, she probably doesn't know Oppen, but yeah. So, um over in that area. Um, and then one of their machines is kind of at
least one of them is kind of like a golf ball simulator where it's got a screen and when you hit the ball it will show you kind of where it would have gone on the diamond or out on the field. So, it's it's really neat. >> Um, yeah, really cool. Great space. Congrats to them.
>> Also want to just pay mention to our electric director, Pete Wiffles. I His last day is Friday. I'm so sad. Um, but I know that he was making a career pivot that was really going to be good for him and his family. And so I appreciate all
the hard work Pete, you have done. I know that you helped us roll out the AMI, the the meters and I know that's a it was a huge undertaking and just being a part of the team and we're going to miss you tons, but understand and respect those um those goals. So
>> yeah, it was huge too with we've seen so much transition with so many people in our electric department that have retired that have been there for years and years and years. So he was sort of at came into a department at a real, you know, pivotal point where he needed to
build a new team >> and he did a great job with that. So yeah, I I agree. He did a great job. He he's going down to Marshall where he can be with his grandkids and yeah, his daughters and so so I really wish him
the best of luck. I think this you know he's he said but for this job being in that town he would have stayed here and yeah so >> no he is a class act. I will we will miss him. Um but yeah have deep respect and and um appreciation for him and what
you know I get the goals. So, uh, just and then one other thing just before we cut loose. Metro Cities has a couple of what do you what what do they call task force? I don't know what their official committes committees. >> Um, I'm on the transportation one. I
know I think you can maybe sneak on one. So, I don't know if if especially welcoming I don't know if you guys have seen the emails, but just they do like one on housing. um sometimes that's a really great way of like learning kind of things that are bigger in scope and kind of having an impact. So if you guys
have any questions, reach out to city staff. I'm sure they can help answer those questions. Um, and I'm sure it's not too late because I think that they value the input from our community into the broader legislative priorities that, you know, we have and that makes a big
difference especially, I think, in regards to housing and some of the legislation that's come forward in the last couple of years and just some of the proposals that will probably come up this session. Um, I just think that having another representative voice on there could be really helpful. So if if
anybody can swing the time, it's and it's on Zoom this year. So there's there's a few Zoom meetings. It's not it's not a giant commitment because there's like two more meetings. So anyways, so if you want to do it, act fast. But let's put it out there.
Okay, with that, that's everything I have. Um I'd entertain a motion to adjurnn. >> Motion to adjurnn. >> All right. Motion from Council Member Hatfield. >> Second. >> And second from Council Member Benes. Uh, all those in favor say I. >> I. Opposed.
>> We're ajourned. Thank