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Thank you. Um, it shall be the policy of this board to conduct its meetings under the open meetings law so as to encourage public participation whenever time permits and as part of agenda item discussions. So, we have three things on the agenda today, but first we'll
establish a quorum. And when I call your name, please say present. Carol Boyce, present. John Beckley, present. Ron Burman, here. Dick Edwards, present. Uh, Noble Hansen, present. And then we have two alternates. Ron Wiser, present. And
Joanna Kale, present. Okay. All right. So, first we have a uh variance hearing for Susan Blea and Kelly Fresca, 186 Carve Road, Clark Engineering. And Mr.
Clark is here to present the case. Uh good afternoon. David Clark, Clark Engineering on behalf of the applicants. Um this propertyy's been in the family since uh 1951. Uh it's been served by
the same cesspool since then. Uh last fall they had some trouble with it. Uh and after an inspection they were advised that they should start the process of upgrading to a new title 5 system.
So given the size of the property and uh more than half of it uh is in a conservation area um there's very little options as to where to put a septic system. So what we've done is we put it as far away from the coastal bank as
possible. Um there's no way it could be 100 ft which the local regulation calls for uh in that the propertyy's not big enough. Uh so like I said we It's the best we could do. Uh it's five feet from the street
um sideline. So that's one of the variances we're asking for. The other is distance to the top of bank which is a local variance. And uh the last variance is the depth of of uh the system below grade. Uh because we're asking for a
variance uh for depth of grade. We've we've added a vent. probably could need a vent anyways because that's where they park all the vehicles. Um there's no designating parking area on the property, but if you've been to the site, you see they they take every
square inch that they have uh to park a vehicle. Um this is scheduled to go to conservation uh I think next Wednesday for their review. Um be happy to answer any questions. Can I ask a quick
question? Yes. Um, you show an H10 tank. Oh, I'm sorry. So, um, yeah, it should be H20. Yeah. So, that needs to be revised. Yep. And I'm assuming the Dbox is H20 and the and the, um, Cultex.
And the Cultex were already specked as heavy duty. Okay. So, the And that my other question was where's the driveway? So, you you answered that by saying that the whole they the whole thing is one big driveway. Yeah, it is. Yeah. So, they park all over the front there where
the How how much how much weight can be on top of the septic system, the title five system on um Coltech says you can go as deep as 12 feet with with their units? Um no, the weight of the vehicle. Can trucks park
there? And H20 is up to uh it's 20,000 pounds per axle is what H20 means. Um, so, uh, H10 is acceptable parking a regular car on, but the code requires it to be H20.
So, uh, and and that's why he had specked out H10 on the um on the profile of the system. So, that was why I was concerned. So, he needs to revise that to show an H20 tank. So, is that is that an upgraded system for because there's
parking over it? It's just a heavier tank that can withstand the um not just the weight of cars, but also the weight of the soil and all that. It's two inches thicker in concrete and there's more reinforcement steel in it. Okay. Um so it's it's right
up next to the the north side of the property about as far away as it can from the um wetland there. Uh questions from the board or um I'm just the the H20 that's the standard that we have for everybody or that's No, usually well a
regular system that's not under a driveway or a parking area would be an H10. Oh, okay. So the H20 says gravel over it for the parking. Is it going to be gravel? No, it's going to be grass. Yes.
Yeah. So it would be grass, but they park on the lot. Yeah. and they're going to vent it. Dave, do you have confidence that in an installation like this with severe slope that the effluent is really making its
way down to the aquifer rather than out to the pond? Oh, I have no concerns at all. Okay. Of course. Um, the state regulation is 50 feet. Jadam addads another 50 feet for I don't know why but
so you're okay so the the vertical movement of the effluent right down through the sandy soil takes you right down and okay not like there's going to be y okay thank you under the old code it was it 150 ft times the slope I think
was the old code the 78 code and systems could be very deep under the old code so you had leech pits that were six feet 8 feet deep okay And when when they get close to being full, you do have a lot of horizontal movement of water. Okay.
But since the 95 code, it's all designed with a greater footprint. So, uh, you're dosing less Gotcha. effluent per square foot of the system. So, it really is designed to go down. Okay. Perfect. Thank you.
Uh, so it's a two-bedroom home. It'll remain two bedrooms. Yep. And um any other questions or comments? Uh Judy has reviewed it. It's replacing assess pool. It's uh as place as far away from
the home in the bank as as it can be. It looks so does somebody want to make a What is the requirement regarding that vent? How close can the vent be to a property line? There's nothing in title five for that. Um then we have a I mean some people
complain one time. We sometimes they they just put them so that they don't bother the neighbors or they put them wherever they can get them in the most the easiest area. But yeah, I don't I there is nothing in the code for vents. It just they usually run
them away from the top front of the house so that they're not right in front of a house and Right. Have you had an o complaint from a vent for a title five system? No. Not a qu not a conventional system like this. No.
Right. If it's a IA system vented and the the system's not working, I think they can be there can be complaints about orders. But uh so Judy's recommended approval approval. And um anybody like
to make a motion? I'll move that we approve this variance. I will second it. Okay. And then any input from the uh public public comment online or No. Okay. Um so we'll take a voice vote
when I call your name. Uh say you want me to read the conditions? Oh yeah, read the conditions please. Um the the applicant should deed restrict the property to a maximum of two bedrooms and record this restriction on the deed at Barnesville County Registry of Deeds. The applicant shall submit a copy of the deed to the board. All components shall
be H20 loading to correct from heavy soil load and driveway loads. Driveway not shown on plan. So uh the engineer shall submit an engineered asfield plan including asbuilt elevations with a written certification that the system has been installed in accordance with the approved plan and no alteration of
the floor plan of the dwelling will be allowed without further review by the board of health or its agent. Okay. Okay. So when I call your name, if you approve, say yes. Uh Carol Boyce, yes. John Beckley, yes. Ron Bowman, yes. Uh Dick Edwards, yes. Noble Hansen, yes.
Okay. So that uh variance is approved. Thank you, David. Okay. So um next we have a discussion update uh Chattam airport regarding uh lead and Mr. Harrison is here to do
that. And we he gave us an update uh March 25th, 2024. So this is about one year u from our previous from his previous update. And the issue is uh leaded ab gas and uh the plan for uh
getting the leaded abas out of the airport which I think has evolved over the last year and there's been some other other things but uh we'd appreciate kind of an update what the airport's doing, what the plan is be great. The uh no welcome. I'm I'm
the chairman of the airport commission for those who may not know. Uh, and I wish I had good news for you. Um, but the, uh, the state of unled fuel
nationwide is in a state of flux. There's been very little progress since the March 2024 information that you have. Um, the FAA I think Terry sent you all
something for the package and I thought he was going to be online to show it, but so I'll have to kind of shoot from what my hip on some of this, but the um there are a lot of people involved in the
creation of the unled fuel. Uh like I said, there's been very little progress. Uh there have been studies done that show that it does not harm any aircraft.
There have been other studies done that show that it does cause problems in aircraft. Uh the FAA has approved one. There's one company now that makes unled fuel. Um, but it's a very small company
out in the middle of Nebraska or somewhere out there. But, but this is the 100 octane leaded a gas that the 100 o No, I'm talking about 100 octane unleted. Unled.ed. Right. This is which is what the older piston planes need.
Yes. They need they need the higher octane. And right now they're using 100 lowled, right? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Um, the FAA looked at the GMI, which is the company that you'll see, hopefully you
have it in your notes there, uh, that Terry sent. Um, the FAA gave it a what they call an STC, a standard technical certification, but they did not give it, and again,
this is an acronym, an ASM, which is the U American Standard Technical and Materials Code. They didn't give it that. So, they have part of it, but they don't have the whole thing. Some people
say, "Nope, not going to use it unless I has an S AM." The STC each pilot has to purchase it for, I don't know, $50, $100 if they're going to use that particular gas because that then would certify the aircraft to use that gas. But not
everyone trusts it yet. So, like I said, it's in a total total state of flux right now. the big oil companies. AG gas is like 1% or less of what the big oil companies create and they're only one or two of them. And there's a company in
England who creates the lead additive for that. Apparently they're they're going to stop doing that because they see what's, you know, on the horizon. So,
like I said, I wish I could give you better information. Right now, we are mandated by the FAA through our grant as assurances to keep providing 100 lowled
until 2030. unless something comes along that's approved by everyone before then. And honestly, we would we would put if we could get it now, we'd
put it in. But there's such a, you know, mess about this whole thing that we just have to stand back and watch because no, no one's going to deliver fuel to Chattam Airport from wherever the refinery is out out in the mid
Midwest for Chattam Airport. It's not costefficient for them or us. So every airport in America is in the same same boat. Every airport in America is in the same same boat boat. Okay. California
put a mandate the couple of airports that said the the county or whoever was in charge of the airport said you have to sell unled fuel. Well, the judge, you know, brought an injunction against that. Gotcha. Because it's discriminatory.
You can't just say this one airport has to do it and you got to do everybody and you can't do it because the fuel just it isn't there right and and the big oil companies uh as far as I understand it are are fighting this because they want
a piece of the action when it comes through. Now we got this one little company who has this relatively approved fuel which they've tested and it seems to work fine. uh some people still don't trust it and in fact some of the big oil companies
tried to take the patent so they could do that. So there's that legal battle going on as well. So it like I say and I keep repeating it is a mess. It is a mess and we just have to sit back and wait and see what happens. Um, so are
there any airports that use uh 100 octane uh unlimited gas that they use it on the routinely? May maybe one or two that might be near the company. I don't know. No, I don't think so. I I can't I don't
know. Right. Like I said, the one the two companies or the two airports in in California, the uh there was a court injunction against it. Yeah. I think it was that Santa Clara County they outlawed um leted a gas leted a gas and
the court said they couldn't do that. That's right. Yeah. Um so what what do you think the likelihood that by 2030 just as a guess you'll be able to get lead out of the gas? I'm hoping so because I I I agree with
the fact that I mean I right now here's here's my my take on it. the the lead emissions and the carbon emissions right now really if you did a study on it at our airport, you'd probably find it very
negligible. Uh they did a test uh out at Nantucket oh about 101 15 years ago on carbon emissions and Nantucket in the summer when they did it is the second busiest airport in the state other than Logan
and they found that it was 0.01 01 parts per million. You talking about lead? No, I'm talking about carbon. Carbon. That was a study on carbon. I don't know if they've done any lead studies because the concern is lead. Well, there's
there's a concern right now. I was just using that as an example. You know, they're so low. And I think if they did a study on lead emissions that you might find I don't know what the percentage we couldn't even guess at it, but I would suspect it would be pretty low. But have they done studies? Have they done air
quality studies in small airports that use lowleted aviation fuel to find out what's going on in the environmental if if they have I have not heard about it. Okay. You might you you all might have better
access to that than I would through some of the health documents that you might have access to online services and and and databases that you might have. So this company in Nebraska
is making an unleted ag but no but they can't sell any of it. Nobody nobody's using it. Right. So that doesn't a lot of it's locked up. sound like a good business. Well, they were they were hoping to be able to do it and
I imagine imagine they're still I know they're testing it and people are buying it to test it. See, every single airplane every airplane engines are not very standard. You you got six cylinder, you got four cylinder, you got older airplanes like
Piper Cubs that would run on 80 octane, you know. Um, and then you've got the high compression engines like the Bonanzas and so on. The PC12s that come in here use jet fuel, so it's not an issue with them. Um but and then once
you get in within those individual types of aircraft, engines vary because of modifications and things like that for maybe someone wants one with a little more horsepower, maybe a little less for whatever it is. Or they want it turbocharged, you know,
to if they're going to be out in the out in the west flying in the mountains. So they need to get to the higher altitudes, they need turbocharged. So there's all sorts of little nuances uh with regard to um the type of fuel that
the airport the airplane engines can take. Um and I'm I'm certainly no expert on that. Fuel fuel is not my area of uh expertise by any stretch of the imagination. And I
I can only tell you what I know and unfortunately that's not a whole lot in this area. But I would I would hope that by 2030 that this would this would you know all level out and some company like Shell or someone would pick it up and
and sell it. But again a gas is only a small small portion of what they uh what they sell. J general aviation that uses that kind of fuel very small. I think there maybe maybe
500,000 aircraft that would use it compared to compared to you know tens of millions of automobiles. Is the FAA currently promoting any kind of resolution
of this or are they uh just kind of sitting back and waiting for the private sector to Yep. I think they're sitting back. All they did was give the the gam fuel which is the unled 100 unled
uh the STC. Okay. But then again each pilot has to purchase that certification for his own aircraft and again they they have to test it for that aircraft but then they have to have a place to buy it too. And then they have to have a place
to buy it. Yeah. Right. So it it's you know uh now well have you heard of this um the EPA and the FAA joining together with a a program eliminate aviation gasoline lead admissions Eagle Eagle? I've heard of that program. Yeah, we in fact we talked
about it in our this is from presentation 2023 in 20 well we talked about it in 24 when we got the pilot group together to keep them informed of what was going on. Right. And I think I think Terry sent you that slide
presentation. It was sent to your email. Yeah, I I got have some from the EPA here. Um that but it says the the FAA and industry announced a program eliminate eliminate aviation gasoline lead emissions. This is the EPA and the FAA
called the Eagle program and they they they're trying to get lead free by 2030. Right. Okay. um a new president isn't going to be uh very worried about that. So um yeah, so
um not much progress there. I think on the other hand, this is just sort of my opinion from what I know um from the public health um hazard aspect of lead is is kind of gone to it used to be that a certain level above a certain level of
lead you had to worry below that level you didn't. But I think it's the public health is moving towards any lead is bad. You know, even low levels are bad especially in kids and it's not fully studied. So it's the the um the lead hazard is kind of
getting stricter in a way while it nothing's happening there. But okay, let's any other questions or you mentioned that uh jet fuel. Do we store jet fuel on the airport? Yeah, in our in our uh fuel truck.
And just in the truck. Where's the truck kept? Well, we keep it in the garage. Okay. Is it out on the It's out on the tarmac when we when we need it. Only when you call for it. Yeah. When when when a plane comes in that needs it, we bring it out. I know.
And if we know we have several aircraft coming in that might need it during a day, we'll just we have a parking place for it. I know a few years ago they were looking to put a tank there and everything and it got passed away. It's that tank is still in our master plan.
Is it? Yeah. Just out of interest at what percentage of the aircraft at uh Chattam Airport are piston aircraft may be using the leaded gas. I would say the majority the
majority 90% we have we have uh fif I think it's 50 based aircraft let's see I'll tell you in a second 20 12 24 no 30 no more like 30 36 30 to 36 based
aircraft and then with with the uh airport manager aircraft that might bring it up to 40 yeah it's probably somewhere between 40 and 40 and 50 piston aircraft piston aircraft. Then there's just a commuter. The charters come in, they they use jet fuel. So just
out of interest in Nantucket, is it a higher percentage of prop jets because they have all these big uh uh company? Yep. Yep. They have, you know, they have a lot of charter traffic that uses turbo props that need jet A.
They also have I think they have commercial service with uh JetBlue or American. Okay. Yeah. So they they're a very viable commercial airport. Yeah. So we're just we're just a small little general aviation airport. These little
Cape Airplanes, two engine planes, those are turbo. Those are pistons. Those are piston. So those are using leted fuel. Yeah. There is no such thing as a piston airplane that's using unled fuel today.
Not that I know of. No. Other than the ones that have the decided to buy the STC and use the gam fuel. So, but so we have hundreds of thousands or millions of cars that were built many years ago and ran fine on leted fuel that are now
running on unled fuel. The problem is if you put leaded fuel in a new car, you wipe out the catalytic converter, right? But old cars run fine on unled fuel. Uh but the concern is that airplanes have
tighter tolerances and and and that's why there's all this concern about an airplane engine. Yeah. They're all high compression engines, right? So, so they they they need that higher octane fuel than some of the
older cars and what have you. So, even if you had a a a Pontiac GTO with a high compression 400 horsepower V8, that will still run on unled fuel, but an airplane won't. It's different because you're at
altitude. There's a lot of things change once you get off off the ground. So it it there's a lot so many different variables involved and and you just can't say, "Oh, sure. Go put it in." But you know, as soon as it comes through
and it's certified and everyone says it's fine to use, we'll do our best to to to sell it. Yes. When you meet with local pilots, are they doubting Thomas's on all this? Oh, yeah. I mean, they'd rather just
stay right with what they have. Oh, yeah. Change is tough. Yeah, change is tough. And uh they something has to be really well proven. And there have been studies that say it's okay. Other studies they say no, it fouls the spark
plugs. It does something to the cylinder heads. Lead is in the fuel as a lubricant. Okay? and you take that lubricant out in a high compression engine and you you have problems and you can't
walk home. Yes. No, you can't you can't pull over to the side and get your ride. No. So, it makes it it it's complicated. It's very complicated. You know, the the one bright side to all of this and what we're working on at the commission, u
although it it's it's in its infancy, is preparing for the the electric vertical takeoff and lift aircraft, which has just been tested in New York from downtown New York to Kennedy.
and and but it what it means is if you're going to have them coming in, you need to have fast charging and then they come in you what because they want to get recharged right away so they can go. So that that's coming and
we have to be prepared for that which is a good thing. It's a good thing but it's probably two or three years away and it's also very expensive to create that infrastructure. And if you remember what happened at town meeting,
we got voted down on some on on a on a on a on a uh a warrant article that would have saved well, it's now costing us $60,000. It leveraged 1.1 million because the FAA
and MASDOT was paying the the balance. So I don't know what's going to happen in the future with regard to town meeting and and funding for the airport for capital capital plans. You know our revolving fund only takes
care of uh monthly maintenance and monthly bills but capital is different. Yes. Yeah. Turn the discussion towards sort of mitigation of things. I think last time uh we talked
about uh it was brought up uh warm-up areas close to where uh the public is. Can they be moved the planes farther away or limit them? And the other thing was I think the FAA had recommended warning signs. Probably not exciting to put up warning signs at the airport
about lead, but um what what's been done in terms of mitigation or what can you do? The only we I have not seen that information about the FAA saying to put up warning signs. So if someone could send that to me at the air airport commission. Yeah, I think it's a
recommendation, not a you know a mandate. But um we have not put up signs. In fact, I think what we've done though is we have re we have told pilots, especially for the two airplanes that sit right next to the
picnic area, we say, "Start it up, taxi away right away. Don't hang around." And that's they've been doing that. They've been pretty good about that. the runup area
at the ends of the run, two ends of the runway is where they they they do their runup and they they are there for maybe a minute or so while they're doing their runup. Now, runup is defined as making sure everything's working properly before you take off. Before you take
off. Yeah. You you you you you start the engine at over by the the u the building. You taxi. You go to the runup area. And then you go through your checklist. You check your magnetos. You check your pressures. You check your gas and oil, making sure everything's up to
proper temperatures. You you run the engine at full power for 15 20 seconds. Check the magnetos against that. See if you get a drop and so on. Then you come back on your power. You check your carburetor heat and a few other things.
And if everything's in the green, then you can go. If not, then you got to taxi back and figure it out. Right. But yeah, so as we felt that because the um
the airplanes are they're only there for a short period of time, we didn't feel it that you know and again I haven't seen the the recommendation but um that to put signs up in fact I think putting signs up would call attention to
something that that's the would cause more problems than we need because I know people would look at that and say what's going on. Well, well, the other side of it is that that's the point that that it would be a warning for people.
Okay. Well, think of hanger B. Where are all those people? Where are they going to go if they see the signs? Yeah. I mean, it it would be it's a problem, but um and I don't know where it is, but there there's a recommendation somewhere from the FAA. U we'll get it to you. Yeah, get it to me. It's not mandatory,
but it's a voluntary recommendation to put up warning sites about lead. But yeah, it's not going to be exciting to the businesses there. But um I think with the with the more strict uh definitions of what what of how harmful lead is that it might be
appropriate. Ron, I would imagine those recommendations apply to all airports regardless of their size. So, I would think that perhaps it might be more appropriate at Logan than it would be at an airport like Chadam. I I agree. I you
know, if the thought is that there's negligible lead to begin with, you're putting up warning signs, I would I'd hate to be the owner of hangar B, but think and also the FBO. Yeah.
airport manager, more than Logan, uh, Hyannis, you've got all you got these Cape airplanes come in. You're going to put up big signs saying, "I would not walk from the hanger to the airport if I were you because the there's there's lead out there." I, you know, it just
it's it's rid it borders on ridiculous. uh u particularly since we all lived for my case 79 years in an environment full of well if somebody if somebody could demonstrate that there was a significant
level of lead around the Chattam airport I'd feel differently but if there's not then I think you're lumping a Chattam airport in with a giant mega airport and creating issue where I mean if someone would do a test I wouldn't object to it
but I can't I can't airport commission can't afford. Those are very expensive, are they? And and we couldn't afford that. But let me ask you a question. When a plane pulls up and is getting gassed up, how much vapors
escape when that fueling happens? Oh, well that happens across the apron. That's 150 200 feet away. Okay. So that's not proximal to where the people would be, where the public would be. Nope. The fuel farm is if you drive by
when you go out tonight, just drive by, pull in, stop, and you'll see special area, a fueling area, that's where the tank, the gas tank is that we have, the above ground gas tank, it's right over there. But when you fill up a
plane with gas and you're there filling it up, are you smelling gas a lot? I've I've done that numerous times over numerous years and you know I'm put I'm putting that nozzle right in and I don't smell very much. I mean just I smell as
much as I smell when I'm filling my automobile. Well, that's I was going to go to that as an analogy. You should filled your car with leaded fuel. Exactly. Right. I mean the problem we have is the EPA has this pension now for saying we don't know what the safe level of something is, right? So let's make it
non-existent. So they did that with PAS and they say any level. They used to say, you know, so many parts per trillion. Now they say no level is appropriate, right? And now they're saying it with lead. It's easy to say that. It is, but it makes it virtually
impossible uh to enforce it because you know the the the techniques for measuring these things get more and more sensitive. Yeah. So, you used to be able to measure one part in a million. Now, you can measure one
part in a trillion. It it's it's crazy, you know. Now, do they have vapor recovery here in Massachusetts when you gas up? No. Because in New Jersey, we had a vapor Yeah. You had that rubber. Yes. A
special thing. And so, you'd stand there and you'd gas up your car in New Jersey and you wouldn't really smell anything. No. No. Massachusetts doesn't have that. It's just a nozzle that goes in the tank. Yes. So, there is an escape of a certain amount of vapor when you gas up
your car here. So, New Jersey says you can't gas up your car anymore. They're all full service gas. They don't allow it. The guy That's right. New Jersey is full service. That's right. But I remember doing it though years. So, all
right. But, okay. But, uh here here's the problem with the lead. Um, and this is from um, and this is just something that we have to think about from the EPA October 2023, just quoted. Lead admissions from aircraft are an important and urgent public health
issue. Protecting children's health, and reducing lead exposure are two of EPA's top priorities. Lead exposure can have harmful effects on harmful effects on cognitive function, including reduced IQ, decreased academic performance, as well as increased risk for additional health concerns. There is no evidence of
a threshold below which there are no harmful effects on cognition from lead exposure. That's kind of how the warnings about lead are going. You make it's making it stricter. So this whole idea of getting lead out by 2023, this is going to become probably more of an issue from the probably. Uh so
something to keep an eye on. Can we take Yes, of course. So the EPA has said by 2030 which is five years from now um say in three years they say okay we've
approved this it's safe this particular type of unleted fuel that can be used in these small prop planes. Do you have a plan? Do you have a a way you're going to move forward with providing that? because I think that's what the town would like and I I don't know if the
board agrees but I think the board of health is being you know asked to make sure that I might be able to put something together. I'll get together with Tim Howard and and because we've talked about it and he has told me he said look if if we could get this
tomorrow he'd set up a separate tank for it okay and we'd start selling it. So, I mean, if if if that's it's kind of an informal plan, but if you want something more formal, I I I don't want to put ourselves on a deadline saying that, oh,
yes, by, you know, when this happens, because there may be a transition time, right? You know, we might not be able to do it right away. Say it gets approved in 2027, things are fine, everyone agrees this this fuel is is good for everybody.
It could be it could be another it could be another six months to a year before we can get the infrastructure set up for it. Right. So I I don't want to commit, but I do want you to know that yes, we've talked about it and and like I said, he said that, you know, if we
could get it, we'd sell it, right? But but we don't have that much demand for it. Um I have a question. when we met before in March of 2024. Uhhuh. Um the we discussed the warning
signs to be posted at the airport and you replied yes that you were willing to do that. I'm willing to do it, but I I like I said today, I've rethought that. And like I said today, I I'm reluctant to do that because I I
don't want to cause an issue over a problem that might not be there. Now, if if if you all as a board of health want to test the airport for lead and carbon emissions,
be my guest. I can't afford it. And and as far as putting signs up, I'm very reluctant to do that as I've read through everything that I've read through since 2024. Um, yeah, I I I yeah, from the business standpoint, I I I can understand. On the
other hand, there's probably a way to put up a sign that's more general, a notification that you you are lo using leaded gasoline and not get into specifics about how much of a hazard, but leave it up to your own discretion or something. There's probably and my
guess is I don't really know. My guess is there are airports that have such signs around them. So, we might just try to take take a peek at that. Anyway, well, if if but if you can come up with some wording for me that's neutral, but I wouldn't I
I wouldn't from your standpoint make the argument that I don't want to put a sign up because it might scare people away. Some people might say, "Well, that's good. The public I'm talking about." But you could say leted gas in use in this. I'm sure there's a way. I mean, you could to to and I'm sure there's
probably examples we can try and track down. Well, Hyannis clearly uses a lot more literature than than than Chadam. Well, maybe not because drive over to Hyannis and ask their manager at Hyannis where their sign is. Could be, but I think it all sounds to be like a
solution in search of a problem, right? Yeah, I I kind of agree with that. It also depends on um the proportion of the older piston aircraft you're using compared to jets because the jets all those fuel are piston planes and they have two big engines on each and they
they fly every half hour. Yeah, I know it's a it's a it's a it's a problem and and you know the I have to take my guidance from the FAA and from MASDOT. Yeah, that's those are the two places at the
airport that I for air aircraft operations that I take my guy in from. I actually think it's taken a step backwards because with Santa Clara County that outlawed leaded aviation gas, I think it was that county and a suit was brought against them and they lost the suit. They
couldn't do that, right? So, um it's not like that kind of a thing is going to spread. It's not. So, in a way, it's taken a step back. So, anyway, um that's good. Any other questions? Can I just um we did have a call uh from a concerned citizen today, Carol Bliss. Um she just
wanted me to read this. She couldn't come to the meeting or or watch it online. She said that she's very concerned about the air quality at the airport. I'm assuming she means around the airport. Um and that no amount of lead is good for our children. Simple. I
mean, even I mean, I find here thinking, wouldn't it be great if we could do some basic air monitoring in the area of the airport and affirm that there are no measurable letters levels of lead in the
in the ambient air? I think they do soil testing and and maybe air. We do have a particular monitor here on this building, but that's not lead. its particulates. That's part of me was then saying, well,
even if you decided that that was a good idea, the technology, the the sampling plan, uh the media, I mean, all that would be wide open to to debate and discussion about how would
you even proceed with that? you you would have to hire a company to right to to do the study or maybe to reach out to the school of public health and and uh you know if see if you could get some type of academic entity to take on um a
testing challenge a as a real world example of what students under the guidance of a qualified faculty person could do. um as an as a
you mean something like that would probably take a while to set up because I'm sure it would. I'm sure it would. Well, the problem would be in the current situation, I'm not even sure what you can do with that information. Uh because I don't think you can shut airports down selling lit gas
by Santa Clara Trident and they they they lost their suit, right? So, and but I agree, we don't know that we have a problem unless we test. we're trying to do was just uh keep the issue of leaded gas at the airport uh in in in the public mind or whatever in everyone's
mind and then um I understand keep checking on progress. So that's great. We thank you very much for the progress and unfortunately it's not probably what any of us want to hear but it's not resolving not resolving. Yeah. If if you if you look at the eagle information uh
that'll that'll help you understand the kurfuffle that's going on. I think I also I asked Terry to send you a a copy of an article from General Aviation News that I sent in uh last week and I asked him to put
it in the package. Uh and I I think that I was I emailed it to you all. So you should have had an email. I that's what that was. Is that is that the article that there whatever whatever it says EA EAA response to AOPA president's
position on AVG gas. That's all it is. He found Terry found that one. No, I I had another one that I asked him to send. We didn't get Yeah, I don't think we got This is And it's like a It's a screenshot of a website, so it really wasn't much help. That doesn't help. No, this was an article
that I figured would would help answer this. I'll go back and find it and I'll I'll send it. You know, that would be helpful to send us some more information. We'll continue to research. It's just a recent update. Thank you very much for coming and we will uh do a little more research on the recommendation to put um warning signs.
I'm sure there's a gentle way to warn people so that you've done your public service without scaring people off, right, unreasonably. Uh but we'll get that to you and uh we'll go from there. Okay. Thank you very much for the update. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you for coming.
loitering in. Okay. Um now we have uh three discussion update transfer facility fees affidavit form. This is interesting. Okay. So we the uh recommended word uh select board meeting
last uh Tuesday on the agenda were the fee increases at the transfer station and we had written a letter in support of the fee going up to what the surrounding towns are $175 a ton of the municipal solid waste. That was the
issue before the select board. And uh you have in your packet what came of the meeting and what the what the uh select board has done is uh ask the EDAC committee and the finance committee to go line by line through all those fee
increases and come up with a analysis and make a recommendation in terms of the municipal solid waste fee going to 175 the surrounding towns. Um, two of the local haulers, uh, Millie and Nickerson said, point blank,
unequivocally, if the fee went to to that rate, it would put them out of business. Period. Why? Because they uh there are um other more regional haulers that do it uh cheaper and they would sweep in and take the business and they don't come to our land. They said that
they have bigger trucks and they haul the stuff right off the Cape where it's cheaper anyway to tip it. Um, but they, you know, also I mean they made an interesting I mean they're they're going up n they were trying to go up 94%. I I I urge you to watch the meeting because
they did they were very well spoken. I don't think they were being hyperbolic. I think they were very concerned at first of all it was planned to go up July 1. um a 94% increase where they've already got all these contracts in town
for, you know, people have a set rate that they're that they're paying. Um so they were they're not against going up to cover our costs, but they just want a more incremental raise. Um and they also said that
they don't there's very very small percentage of any out of town trash that comes in from them anyways. And um they said maybe 3 to 5%. Okay. Pick up a few people on the outskirts. Uh yeah, 5%. Um
so they said it's it's you know they're they're town companies. Their generations have been you know doing this for generations in Chadam. I like I said I urge you to watch the meeting. It was very informative. Finish. Uh so but they said unequivocally if the if it went to 175 they would be out of
business. that there are no commercial haulers in Haritch and Orleans that are that are in business that pay the rates that he they said that they they No, but but the rates are much higher in Haritch and Orleans, right? Commercial
haulers stay in business delivering to Haritch and Orleans. The explanation they had to pay the same rates in Chad and they'd go out of business. The explanation I understood was they are what they called regional haulers. They have bigger trucks. He said, they said a lot of them just haul it right off the Cape and pay a cheaper fee. They don't
dump them at the town site. That's what they said. Now, this is just two companies. Um, and they're making a pitch not to have uh the rates increase, which is which is reasonable. Um, we don't set the rates, so it's up to the select board and but the uh the the cost
of the uh transfer facility to handle this uh waste is like $110. So, um, and they did say that they were that that that was a rate they could handle. So, I'm just guessing and most likely that that when the analysis is
done, they're not going to raise it to the surrounding town. They're going to raise it to the fee that covers costs. I guess the select board has an obligation to raise fees to the point where um the fees are paying the expenses of the transfer station. So, they they are supposed to raise, you know, adjust it.
Um the select board also was very sympathetic to the fact that these are local companies to the point there was a discussion of whether um they would subsidize them because they're important longtime multigenerational companies. They're very sympathetic. Um and uh they
were well spoken. They presented their case. They did say they were asked do they take trash from out of town. They said yes a small amount. Um they had some other qualifying words but they said less than 5%. But so small amount
but on the other hand they said they do collect some trash from out of town and dump it in at our transfer station. It's a small amount. Right. So the next step to me in my mind is and I reviewed our waste disposal
regulations that the board of health wrote last revised in 2008 and it says there in black and white unequivocally all the trash that's dumped at the transfer station must be collected within the boundaries of Cadam. Period.
So there's a conflict. I think the select board sort of thinks well 5%'s not much but um our um regulation says none. So it the the the discussion there was about the fee. It wasn't about our
attestation form or the application form and all that stuff. But I to me I think we'd have to decide how we what what we do about that conflict. One thing, the other thing that they complained about Millie and Nickerson was the fact that they had not been alerted to any of this. There was no previous discussion.
They didn't know about it. It was dropped on them at the last moment. Um, but my the first question that pops in my mind and then I'll let Judy pop in here. Um, if it's very small amount or very minimal amount or less than 5%, why can't they just say, "Well, we won't
collect any trash from outside Chattam period. if it's such a small part of the give up the account and sign the application form like we were thinking of doing and have each load checked. Um let me just let Judy speak and then we'll take I mean I think you covered it. Um
yeah they you know they they all the other licensed haulers that we have in Chadam um are bigger companies like NSET environ NSET um disposal was bought out by a big company and and what are some
of the other ones Diane can you remember and they're bigger companies and they they have much more business they they pick up dumpsters and they just take it they go out of town. They don't, you know, they're not dumping here. So, none
of the other companies use the Chadam transfer station. Rob Philly said that very rarely do they you're giving. No, that they very rarely do that. Most of them they most of them jump out of town. I'm presenting what Millie and Nicholson
said as the local guys in their case to the select board. That's all we heard. That's all the information we got. But now the transit station would not there definitely is because I nauseet has small garbage trucks driving around. I saw one driving around river. I saw one down on Cedar Street. So they do have
some small trucks. Now where they bring it Yeah. I don't know. Nobody knows. But my question is and then I'll open up here is if they say and they they said you should listen to it. They said it's small amount inconsequential or they had
some several subjective words less than 5%. Well, why can't they just agree that they they'll do none? Because that's the way the regulations are now written. Our job is to enforce the regulations. We can't just say, "Well, a small amount or if you say it's not much, we'll just
believe you and let it go." Right. That's kind of hard to do. But, okay, open up, Ron. You've got So, do Millie or Nickerson dump trash outside of Chadam? I don't think they answered that specific question, but my my um
impression was no. They they work in ch. Well, yeah. Yeah. I was gonna say if they do, then their argument that our increase is going to drive them out of business doesn't hold water. I think I think it's let's assume that they don't. Let's just
assume they operate just here. I mean, this came up for two reasons. One is we didn't want a whole lot of outside people dumping trash here. We can stop that with, you know, the the signature. So, we can do that. Now, the second
thing is we want to have an effective cost for the transfer station. We don't want them to lose money. So, I think we're kind of heading towards a nice compromise that rather than going to 175, we go to 110, which will be up to
the select board. That covers cost. And the caveat then is okay, but you can't dump any outside trash here. That's that that seems like a reasonable compromise. Yeah, I I think so. And I because they say it's such a small amount, but I
think we would have to give them fair notice, have a discussion with them, let them know all of this and all that kind of stuff because they were upset about that, right? Because they're going to come back and they're going to say five or 10% of our customers are outside of Chattam. Correct. And we're going to
have to cut off their service that revenue because we can't collect just 10% of our customers and drive that to Haritch. They said less than 5% and they were they'll have to hold overs and special cases and whatnot. But this is all from them.
They're making their best pitch to not have a fee increase as well. So we don't have to get all what they're going to say. You know, it's easy to come in and say if you raise our our our rates, we're going to go out of business and we're just a mom and pop uh company. You know what most companies would do in
that situation is they would send their customers a letter saying, "Chadam doubled the cost, so we're going to have to raise your rate to pick up your trash." That's that's the way you keep from going out of business. Wow. But they're saying they they're saying they can't compete then. That's that's what
they're saying. I think I think if this is a dramatic increase and if they were to send out a letter like you're proposing, they probably would just lose half their customers. depends on what on what percentage of their fee is the cost
of the but I again I think we don't want to drive these guys out of business. We want to support and that's what the select board they're very very supportive of these two like I said generational companies that have been here for probably know them person years. Yeah. Well and let me just each
one of the select board members had to state beforehand that they have a contract with these one of these two outfits. they they were and they are in a conflict of interest, but since they're all in a conflict of interest, there's this clause of necessity, they can ignore it and just um that so that's
what the situation. I don't know that that really made a difference, but that was that was the situation. So bottom line, I I like what Ron said that the fee is going to go up some, but not enough to take away the total incentive. And we don't know how much has come from
out of town, but we know there's some 5%. So, we probably have to set up some kind of a a line of communication or a letter or have them come in or something and talk about it and ask them the question. My guess is they pro my guess is they'll probably say, "Yeah, we can handle that
um to avoid a conflict because they're already in a conflict right now. They're doing what they're not supposed to do." The other way to play this, the other way to play this is to is to have a long-term plan, a long-term strategy. Something that doesn't shock the system.
Yeah. Something that says we're going to raise it x percentage now. We're going to come back in two years and we're going to bring it up more. Are you talking you're talking about fees now? Yes. That's the select boy. That's the select. But I'm just I'm just saying and that's what they want. That's what the I
mean the finance committee the finance committee supported the increase. Um but now they sent it back to them in the economic development committee to okay say look at this you could you want to get but cushion it over a little we want
to support town you know town business that'll be part of it right so and I and another point was one of the select members strongly felt that the the idea that we are getting a lot of trash from other towns is a myth I mean that's what
he said right I mean he called one of the select board members. He called it an urban myth. I believe an urban myth. Yeah, that wasn't on the agenda. I didn't want to get into that, but I was going to I wanted to question him a bit on the what's an urban myth. Is was that a movie? It was Urban Cowboy. I think Urban Catholic. Um it's
just something that people believe that's not necessarily true. We don't know how much. We don't know that. We've been worried more than than than we needed to be. But we do know that 5% is coming in here and and it it that violates our that violates the
of their trash. Once we put in place by their by their account, we have no way of checking either. It could be it could be five, it could be 15, you don't know. But once once we we begin to have the drivers declare the origin of the load
and then we have a spot check after that load is dumped on the floor, somebody's there picking up, you know, envelopes and and looking and just doing an assurance spot check. then we'll have a high degree of confidence that the the waste coming into our I think if they
into our transport if if they have to sign they they'll they will comply for other carriers given our rate other carriers aren't bring these into our area they're not very bright they know they know they know he said that they
don't give a list every time they get weighed in yeah they do know he he didn't disagree with and he didn't disagree with anything that he felt that most of the companies don't come in um he they Rob I think he agreed that most of those trash haulers don't come to
jadam on a regular basis so the um the application form the date of renewal is I mean it's December is the renewal time for this so if we start communicating now that's at least gives them a big roll in heads up um changing the uh our
trash regulations stating that the driver must sign an affidavit each for each load that requires a change in the regulation. Then we have to go through a public hearing which they would probably come to or whatever, right? Um but I have to ask did did Mr. Fail said he he might just do that on his own or he was
going to do it do what? Um have the drivers uh come in and I got the feeling that he wasn't waiting for any regulation. He might just because what the regulation says each load is quote logged in the Mr. Fail has interpreted
that as meaning Wade. You could just as easily say you sign a thing saying it's just Chadam Waste, right? And and so we could check with Mr. Fail whether that's Yeah. Did the haulers comment on the idea that they were no longer
going to be allowed to bring any Well, that wasn't really the agenda item. The agenda the agenda item was fees, right? So they that was a secondary thing. 5% they didn't say and we have to we have to do that. They we didn't get into that discussion but they so they didn't say anything. No, we didn't they weren't
asked and um after the after the urban myth business I we I thought we'd just cover the fees and then we would figure out the rest later. Yes, we have one audience member. We have someone online. Ready for them? Yes. Are we ready for them? Anybody else?
Uh we have one person with their hand raised. Uh yes, it's Elaine Gibbs. Um thank you. Uh a couple things. Yeah, I think there are two issues. One is the fees volume and one is Yeah. Can you hear me? Could you up up your volume a
little bit, please? Oh, I think it's all the way up. Okay. Um I will try and get closer. Can you hear me better? A little better. Yep. Okay. Um I don't know where Mr. Dykens got the idea that it was an urban myth.
This conversation's been going on for a couple years now. Uh the one of the reasons why you wanted to uh put in some regulations and have people sign in was because um Mr. Fail had said during some
of the meetings that Haritch had said it's cheaper to send it to Chadam than it is for them to haul it to Falmouth or off Cape. So our rates were lower. So, we were getting Haritch's trash. Brewster doesn't accept any commercial haulers, so I would assume we're getting
Brewster's trash. Um, the same with potentially Orleans. Um, I I have a I like where you're going with this. I think it's really important that it has to be enforced. no trash from any other towns because the the
amount of construction and commercial and and trash that we get in in the summer is cannot be coming from 6,000 homes in Chadam. Uh it's coming from somewhere. And I think that's what's done a lot of damage to the tip floor.
And I guess what I didn't hear at all in the meeting the other day with the select board was that Chadam taxpayers are paying for this. you know, they want to increase rates on all kinds of things like baby mattresses, fire extinguishers. That's all a tax to us.
We're also spending $8 million to renovate the transfer station. And so we're paying for that and then we have to pay potentially to dispose cheaper
uh for other towns. And I and I would argue when Mr. Fail says he wanted to increase the rates to equal the playing field. That implies right there that other towns were cheaper than other towns. And so it's coming here. And to
just estimate for the haulers, you know, I I love the fact they're family businesses, but they're big businesses. They do a lot of hauling for many, many towns. Um, and to say that it's cheaper to bring it here and it's only 5%. I I don't know how they could know that
necessarily when they've got loads that they're coming in from all different places. So, I would hope that you do make sure that they're that that it is enforced to the best of your ability that it's only chattam trash. Otherwise,
we're going to be in the same position five years after we renovate the tip of the building and find out that once again when those big trucks come in to haul it out of Chadam, they're the ones that are doing the damage to the floor.
Um it's it's not that the actual it's not Millie or them bringing it in, it's when we have to take it out. Um, so I I guess I I I I felt, you know, really uncomfortable after that meeting that
it's a myth and um, everybody has to benefit except the people who are actually paying for it and that's the taxpayers. They're increasing all the dumping fees for things that we would like to be able to get rid of, we're paying there. Our
water rates are going up. Um, and these are all taxes that nobody thinks about, but it ends up falling on us. And we're also paying $8 million to renovate it. So, I like where you're going and I and I hope that you work to make sure that they do sign forms saying that it's only
Chattamast. Thanks a lot. Bye. Thank you very much. Um, okay. So, uh I think what we do I I mean one thing would be to for us to send a letter out to all to were there eight maybe eight
people who have have permission to dump eight applicants. There were eight. Yeah. Send a letter out to each applicant making them aware of the of our regulation which states no out of town trash at all. And then maybe some note that we are going to have an
attestation part to the application form. Yep. and that we're going to have each truck driver hop in and sign that is only Chattam trash. We're proposing that. Yes. And uh we want to let them know um ask them for comment. Um perhaps have another meeting when they're
invited to come and and have a back and forth. I mean, I'm just saying that might be a way to start. Uh yeah. Could could we get some data on things like companies that do a great deal of business outside of Chadam like NSET?
How many tons of garbage do they dump in Chadam? Is NSET on that uh list? They're not NSET anymore, but they are but they but they have they have these companies. So we have Millie, Nickerson, and Cadam, but then there are these other companies
that are sort of regional. Be nice to know how many tons of trash are dumped by those companies in Cadam. Well, the only one who would know that would be well, Mr. Fail would know. Fail. Yeah, Mr. Fail would because they they're logged into the tons that they dumped.
They were logged in. We I mean, if it's a trivial I mean, if say the one that used to be NSET, if it's just a trivial amount of trash in Chadam, well, then that might make sense. But if it's a lot, Yeah. then it's probably coming from Williams. I like Dick's request because it gives us a historical
perspective of the past. Well, I guess if if it is historical, it has to be the past, but the uh I like the idea of getting a handle on what has been happening down in the recent Mr. Phy would have that because they each load gets logged in weighed so he knows that
just the last three to four years, you know, kind of tonnage coming in by hauler each of the haulers. Yes. where that hauler is located and then we could see the trend line too. Diane, do you know how many uh applications are in
for haulers about Yeah, I think there's eight. There's eight. Some of them some of them don't they are Oh, no. We know who they are. We have a list of who they are. But yeah. Oh, yeah. I provided a list where uh I don't know if I gave it to
you. I can send it to you, though, because I gave it to the select board. I I have paid even those. It's like $50 for um so what what's so uh I think the next what we need to decide next is what's our next step. Do we want to have another meeting and invite them all to
come in and and or I send a letter out saying here's the regulation. And in in all fairness, I don't think it's been emphasized much. So it's not a surprise that they might not follow it. Not their fault necessarily, but make them aware of it. kind of briefly explain what
we're thinking of doing. Yes. Can can can they handle uh that new rule and and then get some feedback and then decide where we go from there? Is that the new rule meaning uh application with an attestation form? You're not bringing out of town and having each load come
in. Once the the reconstruction of the transfer station is complete, the the my belief is the scale is going to be right next to the to the office. the truck driver just leans out the window and and signs. It'll be easier then, but I don't think we want to wait
until then to I think sending out the letter now makes perfect sense. Yeah, I think so. You think so, and maybe? Um, sure. Yeah. And then and kind of leave it open as to they may um Nickerson may jump up and say, "No, we can't do it."
Or they say they may just say, "Oh, fine. We can do that. We weren't aware." the way the way you your last sentence of that letter. We'd like to get your comment on this, right? I mean, that's that sounds perfect to me. Just perfect. I think so. The other thing is though, I I think we need to get after this whole
idea of the urban myth or not. And maybe just to have somebody from the transfer station come in. You got you got eight vendors that come in. Uh any way to know who's bringing in what? How much are
each of them bringing it in? And do you have any sense of whether it's all Chadam trash or are they bringing in from someplace else? Mr. Philly will say he he he can't he doesn't know. He's no way to there's no way to find out. But he could in the letter ask them if they if they have been bringing in trash from
other towns. It would be up to them to admit it or not, but he'll know what the volume is. You'll know how many tons we can get the volume. I'm sure they're bringing in. We could. Yeah. I think I think just that alone would be useful. Yeah. If if we
find out if we could get these eight vendors, Miley and Nickerson are bringing in 75% of the trash and the other six are only bringing in 25%. Then we got a pretty good idea that it's probably all Cadam trash. Right. Right. All right. So, we can
give you that a list of how much each hauler is bringing in by volume so we can find out and then we can send the letter out telling them making them aware of our trash regulation that it's prohibited to bring any trash from out of town. Y make them aware of that. Tell
them that we are planning to include in the next application which would be December, right? You know, having them sign that they're not going to bring any in. And we would have each driver check when he drives in that there's and say there's it's it's only Chattam trash, right? And
they and then say we appreciate your response, thoughts, information, anything we need to know that would help us as we move along here. And when we say a change in our regulation, if we have to do it, Mr. Fail might do it on his own, but if we have to do it and say that the driver must get out and
sign, then that's a public hearing, whatnot. So there'll be another that'll be a but there may be different ways to skin that cat in terms of you may be able to do it administratively through Mr. Fail. Yes. Is there something Mr. Fail
can do on his own with a reinterpretation of the of the term? I think so. Yeah, I would think so. When we talk trash, I would talking household trash as it were. We're talking we're talking commercial. We're not talking about dumpsters that have construction.
They didn't really get into the construction commercial hall is the garbage trucks. It was more commercial solid waste. That's the category. But it's the garbage truck, right? In the middle of the um the restaurant dumpster, the house shipping floor,
right? For each load, the driver has to uh initial or something what the weight of that load is, right? Well, they weigh they Yeah. And so the driver has to get the slip and and and and all
you're doing is putting one more line on that slip that says I attest that all of this trash came from Chadam. Right. He didn't have a doesn't mean the driver the driver just sits in the truck. They weigh it in and out on the weighing scale. I don't think the driver even
goes to the gate station. We would ask the driver hop out, go to the gate station and sign a form. So the commercial business just takes our word for it that that's what that truck weighed that day. Nobody the driver doesn't No. The driver drives
onto the weighing platform. I know. And then and then the gate house sees the weight, logs it in, and then when the empty truck comes out, gets weight again, sees the weight. The guy in the in the in the gate house logs that in and that's it. And the truck driver doesn't initial that. No, I have no
idea. So I don't think so. Yeah, that's an interesting one. I don't think so. I don't think the driver has to get out of the truck as it is now. Well, then they get build for that. So, right. Yeah. And we don't want to put it on the driver, but if the driver feels he can't sign that, feels uncomfortable, he can tell his boss. And then Mr.
Failey said they could adjust the roots. Right. So, okay. So, here's the but to wrap it up, do we have a a plan of action, as they say? I think we do. I think we do. Okay. Judy, do you think? Yep. Okay. Yeah. All right. Do we have
to take a vote on anything? No, I think so. We'll we'll be talking. It'll be and and the application for the haulers is December, right? We have time. Yes. Okay. Any other comments from the public?
All right. And then um minutes. Minutes from June 2nd. Judy, did you have to make any announcement about the goose pond status? Oh yeah, the s cyanobacteria. We we got a we we got a
um report from APCC that um some of their they do um some initial testing. They go to all the not all the ponds, they go to a few of the ponds that they're um contracted to do. Goosebonds,
um, Schoolhouse Pond, uh, Still Still Water, Still, um, Still Water, Lover's Lake, Mhm. and, um, Goosebond. They some they all kind of came back from the way APCC tests as
high or but we use what the state requires us to use which is a test for micro system or visual scum basically I can send you our protocol so you can review it. Um I
went down actually Greg and I both went and we looked at all the ponds that they were concerned about. Goose pond was the only one that had any visual scum. So out of an abundance of precaution, we posted it as a potential for concern. Um the other ponds and then then further
testing was done and they all came back clean. So when you post, are you posting in at the end of that dirt driveway? Goose Pond. Yep. Only there. Yep. And are any of the residents that are along We put it out
on Facebook. We put out a um press release. Okay. And um so hopefully the word gets So did you say you test it or is it just a visual thing? APCC does some tests and then they they do further tests based on their initial
tests. It's it's kind of complicated. I can send you um So has it been tested there? Yes. and it came back negative for for antoxins um which was supposedly there's different types of harmful algolooms
different types of toxins um so they came back negative so this is but you've done this before this is what you have to do this is our yeah this is our procedure follow-up inspection I'm going to take a look at it this week again and if there's nothing then I
probably will take the sign down and let uh APCC know that but they they will test it again this week. But do you have to walk around the perimeter because the wind blows the scum in a particular direction? Yeah. No, I don't I don't I don't have access anywhere except at
that public. Okay. I did when we first walked up, we didn't really see anything and I did walk along the shoreline and over in a corner where there were some um weeds and grasses and you could see the scum built up. That's what happens
in a pond, right? There's a leeward side and a windward, you know, right? And that's what happens with these algo blooms is if you know they it all carries to one side of the pond and then it could be very visible, right? And on another side you may not see it at all. Right. How often do they test? Um I
think are they doing it every tomorrow? It's like bi-weekly. Yeah, they do it bi-weekly. But they are going to test this one again throughout the summer. Yes. Good. Ron, could you notify us when that happens? Um, sure. We used to get
it, you know, years ago. We used to get a notice when it was being Oh, for beach test for this is different than cyano. The beach testing, we did close Oyster Pond. Um, that's a different program. That's a different That's bacteria. Um,
yeah, I can add you guys to that, Les. When whenever we close anything, I you're right. I should have let you guys know that. So, This this scum is kind of characteristic of cyanobacteria. I mean because all the ponds all covered with pollen now and
this is you know no this is this is a you know you definitely people see things see the pollen and they think it's cyano but um they know the difference and I know the difference pretty much as well. So it's a different appearance. Yeah, it's green. Um,
it's just it it the water kind of gets like a greenish glow to it. Um, you can see it. It's not just particulate debris along the edge of the water. It's actually in the water. Yeah. In the water column. Yes. Right. So, but there
is, you know, you if you've seen bad bad ponds that have been really affected of it, you it's really horrible. You know, there's no visibility and Okay. Um, turbul. I'll send you all the information that I have and um so you can update yourselves on our procedures
for all the beaches um including the bacterial testing and um yeah and then what's what's going on at APCC. Okay. Okay. Does Duncan still do any testing here in this chat? He's still working
with the volunteers. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Because I saw him out here one time and he Yeah. No, he still comes in and works with the volunteers. Volunteers. Okay. Yep. Okay. So, we have minutes from uh June 2nd. Any uh additions or revisions? I'll
make a motion we accept the draft minutes of June 2nd. Second. Okay. And voice vote. Uh Carol Boyce. Yes. John Beckley. Yes. Ron Bowman. Yes. Dick Edwards. No Hansen. Yes. Okay. Then we can go ahead and adjourn the meeting. I believe I move to adjourn. Second. And
roll call. Uh, Carol Boyce. Yes. John, yes. Ron, yes. Yes. No, yes. Okay, we are adjourned.