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record of this meeting on the town's website as soon as possible. Now, I'll turn the meeting over to our chair chairwoman Carol. Um, it should be the policy of this board to conduct its meetings under the
open meeting law so as to encourage public participation whenever time permits and as part of agenda item discussions. So we'll I'll take attendance um say here when I call your name Ron
Weisser >> present. >> Joanna Kale >> present. Carol Gordon, our new member, >> present. >> And myself. So, we have a quorum. We have two items on our agenda today.
Um, the first is a variance hearing for Elizabeth, 127 Shane Drive, and Ryder Wilcox, Inc. Yep. >> Yes, sir. Good afternoon. Stephanie Sequin with
Brighter and Wilcox. I'm representing Betsy Noir, who is the owner of This is very loud. Um owner of the property at 127 Shane Drive. There is an existing three-bedroom house on the property. Uh
there's a um the title five system is a thousandgalon septic tank distribution box and leeching pit that was designed and approved for three bedrooms. Um, what Betsy is proposing here is a a
detached guest house, which will allow her mother, who currently comes to visit occasionally, um, uh, having her own space, will allow her to live um, with Betsy on a more
full-time basis. Um, so the uh one of the bedrooms that is currently in the the house now that will be uh converted to a den. Um, hopefully you get floor plans that show there will be a 5- foot
wide cased opening created in in the wall to that room. Uh so that room will will lack the privacy necessary for it to be considered a bedroom and in its place will be this one bedroom in the proposed guest house. So it's three
bedrooms remaining three bedrooms no increase in flow. Um, however, because we're creating a second dwelling, um, title five requires a either a two compartment tank or two tanks in series,
uh, with a minimum capacity of,500 gallons. Um, the existing system is functioning just fine. There have been no issues with it. Uh there are no with with this new building there's no um
change in how the property is used, who is living there or visiting. Um it's just they're going to be in separate buildings. However, that is what the code requires. Um and it and it would um
incur a significant additional cost for Betsy to have to replace the existing thousandgalon tank with a new 1500galon two compartment tank. So we're requesting a variance uh from the board uh from the requirement to provide a two
compartment tank for this proposal. Um some of the the the reason for um having a two compartment tank or to have two tanks in series is to provide
improved settlement of solids in the system so that a more clear effluent is being discharged to the leeching system and thereby um uh encouraging a longer
life in in the in the leeching system. Uh so what we are proposing as possible um conditions uh to to mitigate for this reduced tank size is to uh require the
the system to be pumped every 3 years to remove um any buildup of solids. um possibly installing an effluent filter on the outlet of the existing septic tank. Um again, uh minimizing any uh
carryover of suspended solids into the leeching system. Um, and Betsy is also willing to record a deed restriction that would require the two compartment tank be uh provided in the event the property is transferred outside of the
family to, you know, some other party. Um, which I think would be uh a pretty reasonable solution. Um the existing thousandgalon tank does provide 3 days detention time for a three-bedroom house
which is what is required uh the two compartment tank criteria um basically requires 3 days detention time and that is being provided in this thousandgalon tank. Um, so I think that uh explains
what what we're requesting the board to approve and hopefully uh demonstrating that what is being provided is um equivalent to a uh compliant title 5 system. I have provided a site plan uh
showing if the if the tank needed to be upgraded um how that would be done uh in compliance with Title 5 requirements. Um, I think I that's all I have to say and I don't know if Betsy if you wanted to add anything.
>> Yeah, just a little background. So, I've been at this project for uh eight months uh since uh the governor uh put in the law that should like allow ADUs to be
built in towns and and help with the housing crisis. And I know I was the first person in Chadam to go down this path since the law was passed. Uh we're eight months in. We've had a lot of support from and and we wouldn't be here
today if it wasn't for zoning ZBA. Uh they believe in what I'm trying to do. I have an 88-year-old mother who, you know, would like to spend summers here uh with family. She lives in Florida. her husband has passed and I'm trying to
figure out how to how to uh allow her to be safe and also have her space and myself have my space. So, eight months into the project and I can't even tell you the tens of thousands that have been spent trying to get to this point and
it's becoming cost prohibitive really in to consider having to take this next step knowing that someday I'm going to get on sewer right and it's I live here six months of the year she will be here I'm going to guess you know three months
of the year maybe a visit here or there in between and I you know I'm asking the for the variance because I I feel like this is the right thing to do. I think the town and and Stephanie and Bill Lichfield and
like I said the ZVA have been very supportive but it's been a journey um trying to what I think do the right thing uh for my mother, myself and and my family. So I, you know, I'm here. I'll answer
any questions. I've owned a house here for almost 20 years. I've been coming here for for 60 years. U C Chadam is very meaningful to us and it and to my mother as well. So I'm I'm looking for some, you know,
additional support. And again, I'm not the town has been very supportive. It's just unfortunately they haven't caught up to some of the other uh you know state laws yet. >> Okay. Um >> question.
>> Oh, we have a question in the audience. >> Brian Phillips, 37 Orleans Road. So, I go to almost every of the zoning board of appeals um meetings and I've been following this project, which I think it is a good project. And uh what really stood out to me is that Betsy had neighbors that sat through hours of
zoning board of appeals meetings to speak on her behalf. So her neighbors are totally in favor of this project, which should say something, you know, about them. And um and I know part of the thing that was going on was, you know, um they were wondering if they
could uh restrict it seasonally and do no short-term rentals, which, you know, they were totally in favor of, which you know is a good sign that it's, you know, it's for this purpose. And um the zoning board of appeals didn't necessarily uh you know, agree with that. So it's not restricted. But um I think this is a
good project and I think you should really uh you know, support it and and give her the variances. Thank you. Thank you. >> Yeah, if I can just add the the board of appeals like bent over backwards to work with Betsy and um Attorney Lichfield to
come up with a way to uh be able to approve this without getting into too much detail. The way the zoning bylaw is written, it just was very complicated. Um but they they were able to come out with a good solution and they were, you
know, all in favor of it. So, >> and it's a timing issue. So, on the next uh uh gosh, sorry, my brain is just lost it. But the next town meeting, I believe they are going to change the bylaws again. So, the state went down this path
with ADUs and the town is a little bit behind, which I'm sure all of them in Massachusetts are. uh which again caused a lot of um winding roads to get here, but the ZBA I wouldn't be here if they
they actually helped us come up with with a plan to get to this point. >> Okay. Um I have a question for Judy. Have we ever done a two compartment tank? Um we some projects yeah they they
required to have a two compartment tank if there's more than one dwelling on a property. So we do yeah we get them regularly. >> Okay. >> Um I'm not sure we've ever been asked for variance from that. But um I think for all the reasons that Stephanie outlined it's pretty reasonable with
with conditions on this site. >> Okay. >> Any question? >> I have a quick question. Yeah. I'm just going Can we go back a little bit? It says the existing media room. >> That's my office. >> It's an office. Yes. Um, is it large
enough? I mean, it's close to the to a bathroom. Is it Are you going to ever have couches that pull out and have a bedroom in there? >> Well, it's my office, so uh it's >> it's where I work.
>> Yeah. So, there won't be anybody sleeping in there unless you fall asleep while you work. >> Yeah. Exactly. Is this okay? >> I can count it as a bedroom. >> No, >> it would be a four bedroomedroom. >> No, and in and the media room is the
>> the access from the garage into the kitchen. Um so there's a traffic pattern through there as well. >> Right. But there's also access to a bathroom, >> which could be considered if if you did put um a sofa, couch in there. It could
be considered a bedroom if somebody slept. >> You have to go to the mudroom to get to the bathroom. >> Okay. >> You can't have a bedroom that is adjacent to the garage. >> It It opens. >> Just that's I I didn't know what media room really was. I thought maybe you were making movies.
>> No, >> I don't know. Someone came up with labeling that when I did that addition. >> Thank you. >> I have just a couple of questions. Um I was really glad to see the cutout in the existing bedroom. So I mean that really
now is no longer going to be a bedroom. I I guess you know everything looks very nice with this project uh for the time being. I guess I'm thinking down the future when the house goes up for sale. So, will it be sold as a two-bedroom
house >> with a with a guest? >> Guess one bed. So, that that will be fixed in the deed that it'll be two bedrooms and one bedroom. Okay. One of the conditions that I recommended um is that um it be deed restricted the
property to three bedrooms and that if the property goes up for sale and we put this on the deed that the septic tank needs to be replaced with a two compartment or or an additional tank added. >> So yeah. So I think I think that really deals with the issue I had. The only
other question I had is um in the variance it says installation of an approved effluent filter, but I thought I heard you say possibly installation of an effluent filter. >> Um it it's up to the board. Um
with an effluent filter comes um the responsibility of properly maintaining it. So there's a little I mean effluent filters if they are maintained properly are a good thing but
if they're not maintained then it can lead to problems. But I think isn't that the whole point that you're kind of coming together with a patchwork system to allow to get around having a two compartment model
>> and a patchwork system needs all the patches it can get if it work properly. >> If if you feel we need to provide every bell and whistle possible then yes an effluent um filter would be appropriate. >> I I'm a little bit out of my expertise
but I >> I would recommend it. Um, and it's part of the every three-year um pumping. It needs to be removed and cleaned. It might even need to be removed and cleaned annually, but um at minimum when they pump the system. >> So, okay.
>> Yep. >> Okay. So, we can make that one of the conditions. >> Yeah, I think so. >> That it has to be installed, maintained. >> Sometimes if the covers degrade, it makes it easy to access. >> Yeah, we could we could um have them
bring a cover to grade. so they can get at it easily if there is any backup or or issue. So, >> okay. All right. Any other questions? >> Um, so should we take a vote?
>> We need a motion. >> A motion. Anyone making a motion? >> Actually, Carol, I have a question. >> You mentioned on that Yeah. about um pump the subjects every three years and then it was added maybe possibly annual >> um >> for the filter >> for the filter.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. The the filter could be pulled and you know it's just it's basically in the tea. They just pull it out. They could hose it down and put it back in. It does take somebody they either have to dig it up or if the tank is brought up to grade or within a few inches of grade.
>> So we'll make that a condition with the >> you want. Yep. Well, I I'll make a motion to approve with the caveat that the five items that are noted here are all >> right >> are all part of it.
>> Right. Okay. >> Um and is there a second? >> I'll second it. >> You'll second. >> Do you want me to read the conditions >> and read the conditions? >> Could I just ask one question? So these conditions, do they go away once I'm on town sewer someday?
Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. I just want to be clear, but I understand it. I I hear it's going to take 15 years. So, >> yeah, probably minimum, I would think. So, it's it's going to be a while till town sewer gets up on that area. >> Yeah. Understood. I did my homework
there. So, I just wanted to make sure I was clear on the >> So, the the conditions are um >> uh installation of an approved effluent filter prior to issuance of a certificate of occupancy of the ADU. And
I would add that the cover the if the covers aren't already within 6 in of grade, they should be brought up to within six inches of grade the outlet cover. Um mandatory septic pumping and a minimum every three years with pumpout receipts
submitted to the health department. um cleaning and maintenance of the effluent filter which I mentioned, recording of the deed restriction uh of the property to three bedrooms and upgrade to a minimum of 1500galon two compartment
tank upon transfer of the property or upon or upon system failure whichever comes first and any future increase in design flow shall require full compliance with current title 5 and the town of Chattam standards. Can I just suggest or request the uh
requirement to upgrade upon transfer of property? Could you say upon transfer outside of the immediate family in case I don't know it goes to do you have a son or daughter or >> I have nephews? >> Nephews. Would that be
>> um I mean we require inspections and upgrades upon any any transfer unless it's between spouses. Okay, fair enough. >> Excuse me, Judy. I just I'm sorry. I just have a question. Should we put anything in there about uh once you're hooked up once Betsy's hooked up to the
sewer that that these conditions >> I mean that's they would no longer the system Yeah. the system goes away at that point. Okay. So, I don't think we're okay with that, Betsy, not to have that. >> Yeah. Yeah. As long as >> Yes, that was >> I mean I could add um
>> any future increase. Um yeah. No, I don't I don't really think that's necessary. >> Okay. >> Everybody's septic system goes away to the sewer. So >> So it wouldn't none of them would >> I mean there'll still be a deed restriction on it when you connect to sewer, but we can you can always get
that released by the board of health at that time if you wanted to add a fourth bedroom. >> So meaning I could go from three to four >> with the connection to town sewer. >> Town sewer. Okay. I didn't understand that, but that's helpful. Thank you. >> Right. >> Okay. >> Okay. All right. Should we take the
vote? Um, when I call your name, Ron, approve. Joanna, >> I approve. >> Carol, >> I approve. >> And I approve. >> So, >> you're granted your variance. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you all very much.
>> We appreciate it. >> And I'll send a letter with all of that written. Thank you. Thanks. And the next item. What do we got? The next item, the rings. >> Do you um Okay. And our next agenda item
is a discussion and review of the rubbish haulers affidavit form and transfer facility regulations. Okay. So I don't have a rubbish haulers affidavit form. Um I just going to go
over the transfer facility regulations which I um made changes to. Um, just as background, uh, these regulations were originally written in, I think, 1996, and they include, um, the requirements
for the use of the solid waste facility. Um, they're actually called, um, solid waste disposal facility regulations. Um, and they also cover sticker eligibility for um anybody in town getting a a
sticker to use the transfer station or or the beaches for that matter. Um, they've always been bundled that way. I didn't change any of that, although I did have um the uh sticker department review the requirements for stickers and see if there was anything that should be
changed there. Um but the whole purpose of this of us looking at this this time it's based on uh our month ago meeting that we had with our haulers um in regards to the affidavit um and their
concern um about it. Uh and at that time we decided to look at adding a section in here that would allow for a variance from the requirement that all waste be collected from only t that comes to the
transportation but be only from town at Chattam properties in such cases. So I'll just go through some changes that I added and um this is very very much draft at this point. There's a few things that I need to review with town
council and with the transfer station um DPW director etc. Um so I didn't make any changes in the first let's see five sections which is all mostly definitions and um uh lists
of acceptable waste and nonacceptable waste. Um and then when we get to unacceptable waste, um I added a section which right now is just for discussion and review again
with uh transfer station. It's mandatory recycling. This is something that the state um requires as wastands in the state of Massachusetts and we are by law not not allowed to accept and this is this is for residential as well as
commercial. we're not allowed to accept um newspaper and cardboard and glass and obviously what's put in people's bags is what's put in people's bags and um but we are supposed to encourage and try to
enforce recycling. This basically is a mandatory recycling section which is written for commercial waste haulers to have them um bundle recycling with their pickup. So people that are having
curbside pickup by the private haulers are are offered recycling and um they're explained they they get ex uh they they get reminded annually that the um that there are requirements to recycle in the
town of Chadam. Um I can expand this I can take it out if people don't like it. But I I just wanted to put it in there and work it work it over with our D and our county um specialists on this matter. But I basically I'll read it to you. In order to protect the
environment, promote recycling and comply with mass D waistbands 310 CMR 19.017. The town of Chadam hereby establishes a requirement for mandatory separ separation of recyclable materials from the solid waste stream. This requirement
applies to all residential and commercial generators in the town of Chadam. This requirement does not extend to separation of recyclable materials from solid waste generated by the public and disposed in public recepticles. The town of Chadam will inform all generators, residential and commercial,
at least once per year that recycling is mandatory. >> You I can >> I just have a question. Who will monitor this? >> I mean, it's it's kind of a hard thing to enforce. Um but it's basically would be up to the transfer station.
>> But we would this is and we could take this even a step further. Um >> you could require the haulers to bundle it. >> They have to they have to include that in their pickup under one price under
one cost point. I think now the way they do it is they offer it but they don't you pay extra for it. >> Right. Exactly. So >> that would be a good way if they had to bundle it and then they just drop it off. Here are my recyclables. Here's this, you know. >> Yeah. So this is something that, you
know, I don't want to open another whole can of worms at this point. But >> but I figured it's a good time to at least talk about it and look at it since we're looking at these regulations. So, so the commercial haulers, so people who rely on a commercial
hauler for their waste would be required than to have two bins, one for recyclables and one for non-recyclables. I think I mean I think a lot of people already have that, >> right? >> But they would now be required to have the have those. Yeah, I think I'd have
to look at how it's written and yeah, what >> I mean I can't imagine any other I mean if if the requirement is all residential waste >> must be separated you'd have to have two containers >> right >> so >> right >> I mean I'm not averse to that I'm just
saying that's that's that's that will be something new to a number of people >> it would be because there are a lot of people I mean I don't know about there's a lot but there are people who are not recyclers Yes, >> you can see them throwing the cardboard into the blue building when you're, you know,
>> exactly >> recycling. Um, so that's a section which, you know, I think needs more work and I need further discussion with the powers that be in the the other departments and such, but I wanted to just kind of put that in there.
>> Um, >> let's see that number eight on the next page. That's that didn't add that. That's I'm having some formatting issues. I need to fix that. So, then we get down to the request for waiver, which is the
section that we're adding so that we could allow a company like Millie should they decide to request the waiver to say collect waste from Monam High School and bring it to Cadam. Um section. So, I added section 8A request
for a waiver. The board of health may consider a request for a waiver from any applicable regulation contained herein. The granting of any such waiver shall be at the sole discretion of the board. The burden shall rest with the applicant to demonstrate to the satisfaction of the
board that the waiver is justified based on good cause, demonstrated hardship andor clear municipal benefit. So that basically adds a way for them to say, you know, this is what we're doing. It's 5% of our waste. We pick up Monoy
schools and they can show us proof or whatever you know we require from them at the time of the request and then we could give them that waiver. I have something to say. Uh I was just wondering uh if the select board uh
raises the fees from what it is now to what other towns have it then we wouldn't need the waiver at all. Is that correct? I mean because it would just be >> it would be up to them whether they want to go for it or not. Whether Yeah. Should we wait to see what they do before we discuss a waiver that might
not even be necessary? I mean, I don't know. I'm just saying that >> that I I think it's I think it's on their agenda pretty soon. I'm not sure. I think >> here >> tomorrow night. >> Yeah. I mean, that's we >> Yeah, maybe. >> We don't I mean, this is just, you know,
putting it into the reg regulation that it's there. It's not that we're actually giving anybody a waiver at this point. This is just that they have the right to request a waiver, >> right? So if if the fees were the same as all the other towns, they could come to us and request a waiver to get their fees reduced.
>> No. >> No. Because we don't set the waves the the fees. They'd have to go to the swag board for that. >> Okay. So why would they need the waiver then? >> To bring the trash from Monoy schools which are located in Howard. >> Okay. So the waiver
>> to the transfer station in Chadam. It would be a waiver to bring in any >> waste from outside of Chadam. >> All right. >> Well, no. You would you could specifically say just the Monoy schools, >> right? But >> I mean, it would be a case by case basis
for whatever reason somebody came up with that they wanted a waiver. >> So, if next year that somebody comes back and says we have a potential contract with East High School to bring in their waste, they come to us and request a waiver. >> We might say no. Um, >> okay.
>> Yeah. So, this is something that obviously we need to have town council look at. >> I mean, that's basically his wording. So, >> and I think I think it still is a good idea to discuss this now even, you know, if future events might modify it a
little bit just to start us thinking about it, >> right? I agree. Um, and then along those m lines under that, we really didn't have any enforcement in this regulation. Um, so I added this whole 9.2 section.
Um, like beefed up 9.2 section. Um, so it covers the whole regulation and not just sticker eligibility issues. Um, so I can go through and read that violations of any provisions of these regulations shall constitute grounds for
enforcement action by the board of health. Such enforcements may include immediate suspension or forfeite of any sticker and/or permit authorizing use of the facility. Upon suspension or forfeite, the residential usual user shall be denied access to the facility.
Reinstatement of facility access shall require the residential user to reapply for and pay the full fee for a new sticker unless otherwise determined by the board. The permit office shall be notified of all suspensions and
forefeures. Commercial haulers found in violation of these regulations may have their permit suspended pending a hearing before the board of health. The board may require the commercial holler to appear and show cause why the permit should not be revoked. Following such a hearing, the board may reinstate
reinstate condition, suspend or revoke the permit as it deems appropriate. In addition to suspension and revocation, viol violations of these regulations may be subject to noncriminal disposition and fines in accordance with applicable mass general laws and local bylaws. Each
day a violation continues shall constitute a separate offense. That's basically the ticketing part of it. So we could write tickets. Um any person agreved by a decision of the board under this section may request a hearing before the board within 10 days of
written notice of such a decision. So beefed that up quite a bit. And oh, I meant on on the number six in the next section, provisions subject to enforcement. That was in here. It says family stickers being used for
commercial purpose. That was already in here. Um the transfer station. Um, I I met with DPW and Dave Lucer, who's the foreman there, and um, he has some concerns about some commercial
businesses in town, mostly landscapers, using their residential sticker as to come in with um, I guess landscape stuff, which now this couple next couple weeks is going to be free anyways for clean up from the
storm. that um they they feel he felt like that uh should be in here somehow and I I found it. I didn't realize where it was and after our discussion it is there and I may I may beef that up a little bit too if if he thinks that's not adequate or find a way um to make it
clearer and more easily enforced. >> I I think these are all a really good start. They're very clear. You seem to encompass just about everything. >> It's good clarification. I just have a question. Did the uh the commercial uh haulers get a different color sticker or something like this or >> I don't
>> I'm not sure how they >> don't get stickers. The um >> they don't get stickers. >> Well, I mean, yeah, we were talking about that. Um the commercial rubbish haulers just get a permit from us. We don't give them stickers. >> We could I know other towns do do that.
>> Um so >> I think commercial businesses was as they come in, they're just required to go over the scale. They don't. >> I was thinking the landscapers or things like this if a different color sticker we would you would >> Yeah, that would be something that I would have to talk with DPW about if
that would be something they would want to institute. But now it's just they come in if they're a business like a contractor like cleaning up a property or um doing you know renovations at a house. They come in and they clearly are you know not a resident, right?
>> They're doing local work. they can drive over the scale and dump and then drive back on it and pay by the weight. >> Okay. So, thank you. >> There's a lot to it. >> So, so that's where we're at. Um I have
an appointment to meet with town council to discuss some of this and then I also, as I said, want to meet with the county D recycling person to talk about that mandatory recycling thing, see the best way to beef that up. Um, and then I
think we would want to um maybe I would present it to the to the select board so they can um have a public hearing of it as well and then we would have a public hearing an official public hearing like we always do and and then would have to
be voted into >> the changes. So let me ask a question going back to an earlier issue we had about when a commercial hauler comes into the transfer station every time they have to sign >> right >> we that was our initial thought they
have to sign just coming in from >> Chadam >> so if we go forward with the waiver approach we we don't really need to do that do we can't we just do once a year when we're reertifying have them sign off that you will be
bringing in nothing but Chattam waste unless you have a wafer for outside of Chadam and then that once a year really should do the trick, right? They wouldn't have to do it every every visit. >> Yeah, I I agree. I I think we could, you know, we we had
>> already added it to our permit um renewal, >> so we could add that waiver um unless you have a waiver from the Yeah. And um >> should that be in the regulation? >> I can I can think about that. Um you know I I it wouldn't hurt to put it
in there that as part of their um permit requirements. >> I mean there's nothing there's nothing ownorous about that. >> No. >> I mean you know we're just reertifying them once a year. Bring in all the Chattam waste you want. If you're bringing in Monoy High School or some
other approved waiver item, then you can bring that in. >> Yeah. No, I agree. And I can see if there's a place to put that in here that would make sense. Um there should be a permit section. So,
special refuge collectors transporters section 8. Um, I can probably put that in here. Um, that their annual affidavit part of their permit renewal.
>> That's a good place for section eight. Easy. >> Okay. >> I don't Is there anybody that wants to speak? Good afternoon, Carol. Welcome. Good to see you on this board. Um, >> thank you very much. >> I think you guys have got a great start.
Uh, I think the approach is very reasonable. I think thinking about a waiver is the right approach. Um, really appreciate your willingness to consider the the kind of the local the local uh aspect, if you will. I I just am I feel pretty strongly that we should support
our our local businesses without uh bending the rules so much that we disadvantage anybody else. So I think your approach is great and I really appreciate appreciate your time and your effort. Thank you. >> Brian Phillips, 374 Road. Um I was talking to Ben Nickerson before. um he
he got the invite but uh it was for tomorrow uh and the rate fee increase and not and not this meeting. So that's I think one reason why he's not here. And it's tough because these guys work all day, you know, have the owners of the company driving the trucks. Um >> so I guess um you know I I kind of think
the intent of this of these laws are so out of town haulers don't bring in you know out of town trash uh to you know our dump. Um, but I mean these these businesses are, you know, three generations old. Um, they do a great job. Um, and the the you know, I think
that this waiver thing has got a lot of potential, but you know, the they're not going too far out because it just doesn't make sense economically with their trucks and uh everyone that they're doing outside of town, I think it's they said like East Haritch, maybe Haritchport or something, it's all people with a connection to Chadam. people that own businesses in Chadam
that live in Harwitch or people that you know own businesses in Harwitch that live in Chadam or you know people that got priced out of Chadam now they live in you know East Haritch or whatnot. So it's not like um it's everyone with you know and they want to support you know the local businesses and not you know a commercial business. So um I'll I'll get
these this paperwork from you and I'll run it by them. Um and I just really appreciate everything you can do for them. Thank you. I can send I can send them. It was all posted so on the agenda. So I can send it to them as well though, >> right? I I get that, but they're, you know, they're busy kind of doing, you
know, work stuff and that's not an excuse, but you know, I just kind of want to make sure they get it and understand it. You you know what I'm saying? >> Well, I'm always available for questions. So, >> all right. Thank you. >> Okay. >> I don't see anybody online, so.
>> All right. >> To be continued. be continued for future hearings. >> Okay. >> All right. >> So, we don't have to do anything. >> No, I'll uh we'll I'll review it with the town council. I'll make some more
direct changes to it after after further review and we'll put it on agenda for another meeting coming up and we'll just keep moving forward. >> Okay. >> Could you take the H off my name? >> Oh, it's misspelled. Sorry. >> Okay. on the last page.
>> Oh, do we have to sign that? Oh, I made notes on it. >> Joanna. Oh, sorry about that. >> That's okay. >> We have to sign. >> She's changing your name. >> That's pretty fancy for me. >> It's like very bad. >> Yeah.
>> All right. Um, are there any public comments or future agenda items requests from anyone? >> Nope. I have a quick question just how are we doing with the uh rental
registration >> uh form. >> Well, we have our rental registration expert here, >> but yes, we're doing very well. >> Yeah. So, renewals went out in early January. The deadline for renewal was February 28th.
There's a lot of them. I'm not exactly sure where we are at the moment. kind of >> I was more asking about tracking down the folks that hadn't turned them in before. We have we have we brought everybody
>> Yep. We're we're good for 25. We've moved into 26 now. >> Okay. >> So, we're moving forward. >> We're we're um trying to, you know, review each application again as they come through. Karen's working hard hard at it and I'm trying to help as as much as I can as well. Okay. There's
overnight, you know, over 900 of them. So, um, so sometimes there's some back and forth with the owners and it takes a little bit of time >> and, uh, we're also going to be, um, giving an update to the select board, uh, in an upcoming agenda in the next
month or two. So, >> well, if nothing else, we'll have much better contact information this time around. So, >> yeah, >> for sure. >> Yeah. So, >> so maybe at a future meeting you can have an update. >> Yeah. Yes, definitely.
It'll be updated to the board before we go to the selectman. So, >> okay. Ryan films for road. My one question is about the that the short-term rentals you're talking about. Um, I guess one of the questions I found out is that a nonshortterm rental is under 30 days.
>> Is that correct? And I was just wondering if that, you know, if that is being used, you know, like if houses are being rented out, you know, each month at a time and if that counts on the our summer rentals or short-term rental type. >> So, it would really depend on how they
are using it. So, like monthto-month leases, those are not considered short-term rental. Um, even though technically Yeah, >> kind of is. Yeah. >> Yeah. Um, but there are people that say rent out their property for four weeks
in the summer like to one family. If it is under 30 days, they are still considered short-term rental and required to register. So, if they have like three separate renters from month to month over the summer, >> then they would still have to get it.
So, it really depends on their intent versus >> Okay. Yeah. I was just not on the agenda. >> I'm wondering about is how many of those there are too or people are renting, you know, a month out at a time. I kind of feel like that should count on our short-term rental type thing.
>> So, I'm just clarifying the number of people renting like on a month-to-month lease >> because they're considered long-term >> with the option not to renew monthtomonth, we wouldn't be tracking them. We only track the ones that are
intended to be shortterm. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Yeah. >> And and as I said, we'll be bringing that up at future meetings and um we can clarify questions like that moving forward. Um and the only other thing for the agendas is still the bedroom
definition. Um that has to come back to us. So I'm hoping I can put that on the next meeting agenda. >> Okay. though because we get still have some tweaking on that one. >> All right. And the next item is reading
of the minutes. >> Are there any changes or >> I got a copy? >> I have a motion to approve the minutes. >> I'll make a motion to approve the ben the minutes as they're currently written. >> All right. I second it.
>> Second. And let's take a vote. Ron, >> approved. >> Joanna, >> I approve. >> Carol, >> I approve. >> And I approve. And I guess the next item is to adjourn the meeting. >> Yeah, we're good. We We did a lot.
>> Uh, can I have a motion to >> I make an I make a a motion to adjourn this meeting? I >> second. All right. And appear take a vote. Ron approve. Joanna >> approve. >> Carol >> approve.
>> And I approve. The meeting is adjourned.