Mhm. >> Good afternoon and welcome to the Board of Health meeting of June 15th, 2026. Pursuant to Governor Healey's March 29th, 2023 signing of the Acts of 2023 extending certain COVID-19 measures measures adopted during the state of
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>> It shall be the policy of this board to conduct its meetings under the open meeting law so as to encourage public participation whenever time permits and as part of the agenda item discussions.
So today, I'll start by taking attendance. Ron Washa. >> Present. >> Joanna Cahill. >> Present. >> Carol Gordon. >> Present. >> And I'm present, so we have a quorum.
Um so today on our we have three agenda items, and the first is a variance hearing and an of IA technology for John Raymond and [clears throat] Joanna Georgio Hilvert,
57 Crescent Road, Ryder and Wilcox, Inc. >> Hi, good afternoon. Stephanie Sequin with Ryder and Wilcox. I'm representing the Hilverts, who are the owners of the property at 57 Crescent Road. Uh this is a 46,513
square foot lot. Currently, there's a existing uh single story three-bedroom house on the property. It was constructed in 1982 and it still has the original Title 5 septic system, which is a 1,000-gallon septic tank and two leaching pits.
Uh the owners are proposing some alterations and expansions of the existing building, which will include a second story and um several other additions to the footprint. Um they're proposing to add two bedrooms,
so that there will be five bedrooms in the the dwelling. Uh we've designed a um a new sewage disposal system, which will include a Microfast IA component, which has DEP approval for nitrogen reduction.
Um we did soil testing in the area where the proposed leaching system is going and we did four test holes and found good clean sand in all four of them. No groundwater was encountered. Um the property is served by town water.
There are no wetlands uh on or adjacent to the property and this is not in a zone two. So, the proposed um construction and the proposed system complies with title five and Board of Health regulations with the one
exception that uh we are proposing five bedrooms on a lot with less than 50,000 square feet. Um it as I said has 46,513 square feet and therefore the addition of the IA component.
I'd be happy to answer any questions. >> Are there any questions from the board? >> What will the height of that's of the second building be or the addition? >> I do not have the height. Do I have the height?
Uh yeah, the height calculations are on the page. It's 28.4 feet. >> 28.4, okay. Thank you. Does this have to go to zoning, Stephanie? >> No. >> [snorts] >> Are there any other questions?
>> The only only question I had was with regard to the media room. I don't the the media room doesn't really fall under our bedroom definition. >> I'm assuming it has uh >> It has a 6-ft cased opening called out
on the plan. >> Right. It has and then it has an open railing from on the stairway that >> Okay, yeah. >> And then I also looked at this from the total number of rooms divided by two, which would make it five bedrooms as
well. So, I think from both standpoints you would you come up with five bedrooms. >> I'm just curious, how many rooms did you come up with? >> Uh five. 10 10 rooms. >> 10 rooms, okay. >> I counted 10, yeah. >> How did you get 10 rooms?
>> I I counted Let me think how how I did it. Let me see. I counted the kitchen as one, the living room as one, and then all the other rooms. And I don't I don't count the mud room. >> No.
So, we have 1 2 >> And even if you counted the dining as another room, you'd get 11 and it would still be five by our calculations. >> I just I came up with nine, but oh, it's all right. >> It's still five, anyway you look at it. >> [laughter] >> 1 2 3 4 5
>> I got the office. >> 6 7 8 9 >> I guess 10 with the >> Maybe I counted the dining room. So, that would be 10 with the dining room. Seem pretty straightforward to me, so. >> Do we have any questions from the
audience or >> Nope. >> No. So, I'll I'll make a motion that we approve the variance. >> I'll second. >> Second, all right. >> read the conditions. >> And you can read the conditions.
>> our standard conditions. The applicant should restrict the property to a maximum of five bedrooms and record it on the deed at the Barnstable County Registry of Deeds. The applicant shall sign a covenant agreeing to comply at such time as the town of Chatham, through its Board of Health and Board of Water Sewer Commissioners, directs the
connection of the property to the municipal sewer when it becomes available. Throughout its life, the system will will be under an operation and maintenance agreement. The operation and maintenance agreement shall be for at least 1 year, maybe with any mass certified operator of the appropriate grade that has received training by the
company on the operation of the system. Effluent from the system shall be monitored at least twice per year for the first 2 years, preferably May and October. MassDEP standard conditions for secondary treatment units certified for general
use, revised March 20th, 2015. In addition, a lab test of the effluent for total nitrogen to meet the performance standards of 19 mg per liter shall be collected and analyzed. Water meter readings are also to be provided with the semi-annual report. If any of
the field tests or lab tests fail, follow-up tests shall be conducted by a certified lab within 30 days. After the required 2 years testing, application can be made to the board or its agent for review and possible modifications of the monitoring requirements. The
applicant agrees to a minimum 6 in of compacted topsoil to all disturbed areas of the property. The engineer shall submit an engineer as-built plan including as-built elevations with a written certification that the system has been installed in accordance with the approved plan. No alteration to the
floor plan of the dwelling or the site plan will be allowed without further review by the board or its agent, and the variances granted pursuant to the town of Chatham subsurface sewage regulations not invalid for 1 year from the date of the Board of Health
approval. A permit must be issued and work commenced during that 1-year period, or the variance shall expire. >> Um and I do have one more question. Are there any rooms in the basement? We don't have a plan for the basement. >> Uh, there are no finished rooms that I
know of. >> No gyms or family rooms? >> I honestly have not seen the foundation plan, so I don't know. They would all be below grade if there were and if there
whatever space is in there. >> I don't even see any basement stairs on the existing plan, so it might Is it on a slab? >> Uh, there are stairs in the garage that go down to the basement. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Yes, all right. But when the building plans come in,
we'll take a look at that as well to make sure they're not you know, finishing anything down there that would be considered a bedroom. >> Right. >> Okay. >> So actually there are stairs on the first floor.
Like right opposite the front porch. To the right of the living room. >> The what? >> I don't see it. >> Where is she talking? >> I I don't see it. >> See what? >> She said there's stairs to the right of the living room. Going downstairs?
>> Right. >> I see the garage stairs. >> Oh. >> Do you see the proposed front porch? >> Oh, you mean on the new plan. I'm sorry. Yes. >> Yeah, those are going up. >> Yes, and then the ones >> And the ones down are over here. >> That's from the garage down.
>> In the garage. >> Yeah. Yeah, because they're showing them down going as a pantry. >> Oh, you're right. Okay. >> Yeah, that would be the staircase going to the second floor. >> Right. >> Right. >> And the underside of that is a pantry, not a down.
>> Right. >> So. Looks like the only way to the basement is through the garage. Or through the media room. Or Or it would be from the >> Oh, so they >> From the mudroom. I'm sorry.
>> Yeah, from the mudroom. You can't go up to the attic or down to the >> Yeah. >> garage. I mean the basement. >> Okay. >> All right. >> We need to take a vote. >> So,
you made a motion, so now we can vote on it. >> I second. We need a second. >> Oh, we need a second. >> I seconded. >> Second. Okay. Now we can take a vote on it. Ron. >> Uh I approve. >> Dwayne. >> I seconded.
>> Carol. >> Yes, I approve. >> Yes, so. >> Okay. Thank you very much. >> You're welcome. >> Thanks. Thanks, Stephanie. >> All right. And our next agenda item is a continued review of the short-term
rental regulation. >> So, as you remember, we had our hearing at the last meeting. Uh we had no comments. >> Correct. >> I don't think we had any comments, right? >> No. >> Um but we we had we had been waiting for
um the review from town council uh specifically in regards to setting of the uh fee, pushing sending that to the select board, um he he didn't even comment about that. Um, I guess he didn't have an issue with
that. He did make some editorial some some um edits just for language, um which I don't have any issues with, although um he did, if you look at section the last page on page four,
he um he he crossed out the review section, which I'm not sure we want to do that because that was something that the um short-term work group was pretty insistent on that we do.
I mean, we are reviewing it now and making changes to it, but um I don't It's up to you whether you want to leave that in there. Um >> Which one was that, Judy? >> So, the last right before the bottom >> Oh, where it says review?
>> Where it says review, he took that completely out. 3 years from date of first registration. Um which wouldn't be until next March. So, we could take that out, but
and but then just agree to review it again thoroughly in the in the spring if that's you know >> So, taking it out doesn't mean we can't review it. It just means we can't review it within this time frame, right? Or or on this date. >> Um
it just says it just leaves it to right. Any open to whenever we want to review it. Yeah, the board certainly can review it at any time it's your regulation. >> I I'm okay with taking it out. >> Right, I am, too. >> as it doesn't preclude our ability to review. >> Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I think that's good. So, then like said, all the other changes
were um just crossing out phrases um >> Mhm. >> He took out on under the definition of short-term rental uh rented out using advanced reservations for fees. I guess he felt that was not needed.
Um Under registration, he changed some language. Um owner shall let or sublet a dwelling as a short-term rental. Um and any short-term rental that may be required to be
registered. Like He just two words in there. With the cross out with the Commonwealth of Mass pursuant to the applicable general laws. Um He put in the word operating instead of
acting as a short-term rental. I'm trying to think Like I said, it's just cleaning it up a little bit. Um He said a dwelling used as a short-term rental shall be at all times in compliance.
Instead of shall be in compliance. I'm trying to think if there's anything substantial here. >> Now, in the registration renewal, we had shall be renewed annually, and he said may maybe. Why maybe?
>> Well, I guess because cuz well, because some people might not >> Yeah. >> want to register it again. They may take it off the market. That was the only thing I could think of. So. If they need If they're going to Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I'm more comfortable
with shall, but >> too. It Again, >> Look at the shall ballot. >> If we if we leave it as may we can still review annually, right? It doesn't it doesn't live in a >> is about renewing. >> Right.
>> They renewing their application every >> Yes, we would still be requiring them to renew annually. >> require them to renew annually. >> Yeah, yeah. Um Maybe renewed annually. Yeah, I mean I think shall is the word. Well, we Well, we put shall back
>> I think shall. We should change it back to shall. >> Okay. We'll we'll We should uh And then I have a I have a question about when the select board is going to uh establish the fees.
The short-term rental fees. Is there a particular time every year that they're going to look at this? Do they know that they're going to look at this? And >> Um >> That's right under the fees under after our shall. >> After our shall. >> Oh, yeah, yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um
>> It says registration shall be established annually. >> They can It doesn't have to be annually. They can do it whenever they feel it's necessary or if whenever anyone any staff recommends it be looked at. It's usually the way these things go. >> But then how will they know when to
recommend when to uh assess the fees? Like do we tell them that you need to do the fee or do they >> Well, once they set the fee, this fee will stay that way until >> Do they know to set the fee? >> They >> [laughter] >> Well, >> I don't know.
>> Hopefully they do. I mean they've This has been in this um version. >> Okay. So, they'll see this then. >> So, yeah, I will I will send them a memo with something that says you need to put this on your agenda in the next few months. >> Sure. Okay. >> So, they can set the fees. And they
already agreed that the fee should be $200, so. >> What is it this year? >> 50. >> It's still 50. >> Yep. So. And we're changing the rental period to December >> calendar year >> 31st or January 1st, so it'll have to be done before then.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That's it. >> Actually, it should be done in the by the fall because we're going to want to start renewing. >> Right. So, you're going to discuss with him this shall versus may? >> I don't think we really have to discuss it with
>> [laughter] >> No, no, we can we can just go ahead and do that. >> yeah. These are his recommendations. >> It's interesting he opted for may under item C, but went with shall under item D. >> [snorts]
>> I They both seem like they ought to be strong. They They both seem like they need to be >> Yeah, shall. >> Yeah, I know. So, go with the shall. Going with the shall makes sense. >> All right. >> This is kind of duty This is kind of
redundant up here. I can't get it. That may be required to be required to be read >> Yeah, no, that's There's some There's some wording that I need to fix. That was under A. >> Yeah, required to be that. >> Right. Yeah.
I think he >> It's repetitions. >> very quickly, so. I will go through all this and clean it all up and make sure it >> Okay. >> So, once you do that, that it comes back to the board for signature and then it then we're done? >> Um Would it be
We're going to do effective date >> We can get it in the If we can get it in the paper, um it and you and the board comes in to sign it, um we can send it over just the revisions to the Chronicle and then it's goes in the following week.
>> Yeah, so the effective date will be >> Whatever this falls >> sometime in in July or August. So, we'll get you guys to sign it and then we'll send it to the Chronicle. It's effective upon publishing. So. Yeah. Or we I mean, we could set a date. We could say effective
um July, you know, August 1st, 2026. >> Mhm. Whatever Whatever you want to do. >> If you want to do that, so I can change the effective date. >> Yeah. Whatever That That would be probably >> and then we can Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> All right. >> Yes, it has to come back to us to sign. >> Right. Right. Or we call you in to sign like we've done before on the other one. >> Right. >> Yeah, you can always stop in and sign it. Why don't we say August 1st, 2026? >> All right. >> That makes sense. >> Okay.
>> That's good. So, that is that. >> [laughter] >> All right. >> easy. >> Good job. I don't see anybody in the audience have any questions, no. And there's nobody online, so.
>> All right. And our next agenda item. >> Well, don't you have You need to take a vote. >> Oh, we take a vote on that? >> Yes, to um approve it and accept it. >> Okay. All right. So, do I >> You know, you need a motion first. >> Do we need a motion? Yeah.
>> I'll make a motion that we approve the document as it's been revised. >> And I second. All right. We'll take a vote. >> I approve. >> Ron, Joanna. >> She said she already seconded it. >> All right. Do you approve? >> I approve, yes. >> I approve.
>> And I approve. So, we approve the change. >> with effective date August 1st. >> With the effective date August 1st. >> Okay. Thank you. >> All right. And the next item is the discussion regarding a noise
ordinance for leaf blowers. >> So, I gave you a report based on some research I did. Um these ordinances it They're either an ordinance or um
something they could be a board of health regulation. Um Many of them are noise ordinances. Some of them are more concerned with air quality, um banning gas powered um leaf blowers.
I'm not sure um Carol, what you I think you were concerned with the noise to to >> Right. I think uh what I heard I was talking with people they were concerned with the noise of the leaf blowers and uh suggested that we put something into
place that nothing before 8:00 a.m. and nothing after 7:00 p.m. >> Mhm. >> To just make it and I talked to a few landscapers, too, and that's basically about the time that they get their their workforce going and things like this and they felt that that was reasonable.
>> Mhm. >> As far as going to electric leaf blowers, uh no one was very excited about that at all. So >> Electric, yeah. >> Right. >> Those are more difficult. >> That's yes. >> and that would you would go to that if you were more concerned about the gas
powered, you know, the diesel fuel things and such. >> And then we have the recycling of the batteries and the batteries are expensive and everything would be passed on to the customer. That's right, exactly. >> Um I think you know, I mean we already have and I gave you in your
packet a copy of our current noise bylaw, which isn't very specific at all. Um I also you just got a um something that I got from the uh Mashpee agent. I I got it today. They added a
um to their noise bylaw and I think other towns have have done that as well. Um It says uh demolition or commercial landscaping work in the town of Mashpee between the hours of 7 and 7:00 a.m. and 7:00 p.m.
on weekends >> Mhm. on weekdays >> and 8:00 to 7:00 on the weekends um And then that was the first section and then section D says any power tools, garden tools, leaf blower, chainsaws,
similar devices powered mechanically by electricity, gas, diesel, or other fuel outdoors in residential districts between 7:00 and 7:00 a.m. and 8:00 p.m. And that looks like that's every day of the week. >> Mhm. >> So, that's
that would be um something we would have to write an ordinance, I guess. I'd have to I guess I'm not sure how we do this, but it would have to get You have to go to town meeting, basically. >> Oh, okay. >> have [clears throat] to make a change to
the bylaw or make a requested or suggested change to the bylaw and I believe the select board would be the people that would have to do that. So >> Okay, so could the Board of Health make a issue a statement as to what we feel is
fair and then that could go to town meeting and okay. >> Yeah, I I I'd have to I'm not sure of the ac- the actual procedure for doing that. Um but easy enough to find out. >> Okay. >> So >> Cuz I think we're basically just going
to suggest hours, right? That's what >> If that's what you want, sure. >> And goes in with our 150 ft. If you hear it in 150 ft, which is currently what we have now. So, maybe just putting hours in would would help. >> Right. >> Do you would you want to do something
along the lines of what they did here in um Mashpee where it says any power tool or garden tool, leaf blower, chainsaw, or similar device powered mechanically. I mean the only other thing Yeah, sometimes I
mean if you had a hurricane or something, there might be a lot of people using chainsaws. You might Sometimes you put something in that If there's an emergency, that would be lifted. >> Right. >> Right, absolutely. >> I could find some language to that, and there may be something in one of these
other ones that I cited. >> Mhm. >> Say stating something like that. Exemptions for emergency purposes, for emergency response in municipal operations, which they don't municipal don't usually work at at night, so
but um >> So we could put something in that. >> Mhm. >> I think it would make sense cuz if there was a hurricane >> Definitely. >> Right, right, definitely. >> trying to get stuff done long days. >> Yeah, the tree blew across the main road during the night.
>> Right. >> removing >> Yeah, this is an example of this >> Not wait till 7:00 a.m. >> Right. So >> Should we have a quick question? On when you refer to this this includes homes, condos,
>> Any type of building? >> Anywhere within [clears throat] town. >> The whole town? >> Anywhere within town. >> Yeah, I mean you're I think you're basically trying to get um the commercial landscapers to not be doing this at 7:00 in the morning right late
at night later at night in the summer. >> There were uh as I mentioned you this this really like this report. It was very thorough, gave a lot of really good examples. I guess the one that I was kind of drawn to was the one for Tisbury.
And with the exception, there were there were four specific points there. And with the exception of, you know, we're not going to do anything about uh prohibiting combustion-powered leaf blowers. >> Mhm. >> The other three items there
make a seem to make a lot of sense. I mean, no no leaf blowers on Sundays or federal holidays. Um seasonal use only. I I really like that. Uh >> I have a vote. No. Because what about July and August?
>> Do you really need a leaf blower in July and August? >> Sometimes, yeah. >> They use it to blow grass. >> Right. >> Grass clippings off walkways, driveways. Yes. >> Yeah, what they do is they mow and then they spray they you know, blow the grass.
>> Yeah. They could they couldn't use a broom, huh? >> Probably not. >> No. >> In the town here, they don't. >> They don't. [laughter] >> No, I mean, they I think that's >> I think just putting a time restriction a time >> All right. And and I also I like the uh
no more than two leaf blowers simultaneously on a property. That just seems to me to be you know, we They they come into our neighborhood with, you know, an army of leaf blowers. And it just, you know, it just drives you crazy for a large part of the day.
>> Yeah. Certainly can, you know, we'd have to as I said, we'd have to come up with a bylaw um revision to our noise or maybe have a separate one if we're going to add more specific restrictions like that. So.
>> Would you like us to work on that? And then present it? Uh would that be good? I don't know. >> Yeah, well I know. Well, Andy's here and Andy can certainly help with that moving forward. You know, it's something that we're going to have to
prepare, get to the select board, have public hearings and then figure out how we get it on next year's town meeting. We probably would need something by um you know, late fall. >> All right, yes. Yes. We could probably
do that. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So, we would form a subcommittee to come up with our thoughts. >> Our verbage, yeah. >> Yeah, you could do that. Since there's four of you, you know, like maybe two of you. >> [laughter] >> Pardon me? >> You can only be two of you can get together to do to work on it.
>> Ah. >> Okay. >> Or can't we do it at a meeting? >> Or we can right, we can do it at a meeting. Maybe we can work on some more. I still got five more weeks, so >> Oh. >> Um we can work on some language for the next meeting. And see. >> So, how about a
>> Now that we've narrowed it down to kind of what you you know, how you want to go. And that we can also find out what the what the process is for changing a bylaw. >> So. So, Carol, [clears throat] do you want to have you and I be a subcommittee? >> Sure. >> I think we should all discuss it.
>> Let's all work on it. Do you want us to get together and bring something to you to work on? >> at the meeting. >> Right. >> Well. >> And she also going to put something together that we can review. >> it'd be easier for us to give you some drafts, prepare some drafts >> I think that's a great idea. I mean,
it's it's you guys's, you know, >> We can't do anything without the four of us. I'm just saying if we put some draft text together to bring to the committee at our next meeting, then the four of us could >> Yeah, that'd be great. And maybe Andy can sit in with you as well if you wanted to sit down with him and
yeah, at some point. >> That that works. >> So, what do we have to do? >> Nothing at this point. [laughter] >> Okay. >> You guys can work on it. Let us know what you need from us and um >> Well, let's let's >> it on the agenda for the
>> Put it on the agenda for the >> July 20th meeting. >> We'll have the report of the subcommittee at the >> Yeah, right. >> at the next meeting. >> Yeah, I like that. That's great. >> All right. So, moving on. >> Okay. >> Do we have any public comments or future
agenda item requests? I have two future agenda item requests. One is uh we're coming up on the one-year anniversary of our intervention at Mill Hill Road.
I'd like to propose that someone from the town revisit the site and make sure that it's everything that was agreed to is being honored. And that there and that there's no
backsliding going on. >> Okay. We can talk to Greg about that and um >> I think a simple visit out there just to see, you know, okay, here's what you said you were going to do. Are you doing it? >> give us a report and yeah. >> And nothing has been added.
>> Nothing has been added. >> I think now since >> back to what it was. >> Exactly. >> I'm not I'm not saying it can't. It's it should be pristine, but I'm just saying if it's if it's reverting to a private junkyard again, then we ought to know about that.
>> Okay. That's >> And the other agenda item is you know, there there's another residence on that same street that definitely looks like they ought to be evaluated. I I don't
know what the address is. It's right across from T. W. Nickerson. Uh that's where >> With the dumpster out front. >> There's a dumpster out front. And I think we discussed last time that maybe there might have been a permit that had been issued >> Yeah. >> for that. >> I'll have to look further into that.
>> Yeah, I I we ought to just check on that, see if that was the case, and whether or not that is is another potential problem area. >> Okay. >> And if there is a permit, what are the regulations for that permit? >> Right. And
do you want one more to your list now? Now that we're doing the list. >> [laughter] >> Okay, I think about 2 years ago, uh the Airport Commission Huntley came before us uh talked about unleaded fuel. And I was just wondering maybe we can revisit that again, ask him to come
back, and uh discuss how how and when we're going to use unleaded fuel. Yeah. I'll have to look back through I think they're I think it was 2027 that they were supposedly going to have something
available at the national level. >> Okay. >> But I'm not sure what it is. >> But we're getting close, so maybe he can shed some light on it for us or something or give us a timetable. >> Yeah. I'm not sure there's been much motion.
Cuz I'm not sure if the FAA has approved anything yet, so but we can find out. >> Sure. Okay, thank you. >> So. All right. Looks good. >> All right. >> The new person will have their hands full.
>> [laughter] >> That's right. >> If they hire him. >> No. >> They just advertised my position last week. So I'm >> Oh, okay. >> And then they're working on filling Diana's well. So >> Yeah. >> We're getting there.
>> All right, moving on. Reading of the minutes. Any changes to the minutes? >> No. I have no changes. >> And if there's no changes, we need a motion to accept them.
>> I'll make a motion to accept the minutes. >> [clears throat] >> I'll second that. >> Second. All right, and let's take a vote to accept the minutes for June 1st, 2026. >> I vote to accept. >> I vote to accept. I vote to accept.
>> And I accept. Those minutes are accepted. All right, and So, does someone want to make um and to adjourn the meeting? A motion. >> I'll make a motion to adjourn this
meeting. >> And a second? >> I'll second it. >> Second. All right. >> I move to adjourn. >> Joanna? >> I agree. >> And Carol? >> I I agree. >> All right, the meeting is adjourned.
>> Can we just say thank you to Judy and Diane? >> Oh, yes. We need to thank >> Taking good care of us for many, many years. >> Thank you. Appreciate that. >> It was our pleasure. >> Yes. >> [laughter] >> It's nice to get carried away. >> I know. >> No, it was our job.
>> We're going to miss you. >> a long haul. We've had a lot of great great people on the board to help over the years, so Yeah. >> Met a lot of nice people. >> All good. >> Yeah. All good. So. All right.