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Part 1 (Video ID: 5Rg6ANl1LU8):
- 00:04:50: Call to Order and Introductory Remarks by Chair
- 00:08:00: Roll Call, Quorum Establishment, Announcements and Agenda
- 00:09:16: Order of Conditions Review: 41 Katie Ford Road
- 00:10:15: Request to Amend: 88 Seagull Lane Driveway Repair
- 00:17:59: Commissioners Discuss 88 Seagull Lane, Requirements
- 00:21:14: Continuing 88 Seagull Lane to April 22nd Hearing
- 00:22:35: Notice of Intent: 5 Crows Pond Road Dwelling Construction
- 00:25:43: Landscape and Ecological Design Details for 5 Crows Pond
- 00:31:16: Commissioners Questioning on Tree Removals, Pool Expansion
- 00:37:24: Concern about Planting Cedars Near Service Berries
- 00:38:59: Commending Plans for 5 Crows Pond Road, Continue Hearing
- 00:40:21: Notice of Intent: 130, 138 Champlain Road Boathouse
- 00:47:54: Renovate Driveway at Marsh Boundary, Coastal Bank Landscape
- 00:51:50: Bedworks on Invasive Plant Management and Restoration
- 01:01:26: Board Discusses Boat House Restoration and Soil Additions
- 01:08:50: Discussion of Salt Bush, Root Systems, Wave Energy
- 01:18:16: Continue 130 and 138 Champlain, New Items Deadline
- 01:20:37: Notice of Intent: 87 Plum Daffy Coastal Stabilization
- 01:26:19: Salt Marsh and Fiber Rolls, Shallow Draft Landing Craft
- 01:32:03: Removable Stairs Discussion, Additional Landscape Planting
- 01:32:50: Plum Daffy Commissioner's Quick Questions and Barge Conditions
- 01:36:35: Site Violations and Vegetation Cutting Discussion
- 01:41:56: Window Violations and Review of Cut Vegetation Needed
- 01:46:00: Amend Not Amend, Discussion with Ian Peach Tasked To Do
- 01:51:25: Notice of Intent: 34 Scattery Road Invasive Management
- 01:54:28: Variance Request Needed, Bird Sweep Request Discussion
- 02:01:26: Certificate of Compliance: 28 Cranberry Lane, Partial
- 02:02:38: COC's Continued: 19 Cowyard Lane, John and Leslie Nicholson
- 02:03:49: Adjournment


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Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. N. Good afternoon. This is a hearing of the Chattam Conservation Commission being held on April 8th, 2026 in accordance with the Massachusetts Wetland Protection Act and the Town of Chadam wetlands protected by law and

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regulations. My name is Paul Johnson and I am serving as the chair today. Please note this meeting is being recorded and will be available shortly hereafter for scheduled and on demand viewing on any smartphone or tablet device. If anyone else is recording the meeting, including

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the use of AI note-taking apps, please notify the chair. Pursuant to Governor Healey's March 28th, 2025 signing of chapter 2 of the acts of 2025, extending certain COVID 19 measures adopted during the state of emergency suspending

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certain provisions of the open meeting law, general law 30A, section 20, until June 30th, 2027. This meeting of the Chattam Conservation Commission is being conducted in person and via remote participation.

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Every effort will be made to ensure that the public can adequately access the proceedings as provided for in the order. A reminder that persons who would like to listen to this meeting while in progress may do so by calling the phone number 158-9454410.

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conference ID number 244-3241517746 or join the meeting via online Microsoft Teams through the link in the posted agenda. While this is a live broadcast and simal cast on Cadam TV Xfinity channel 1072 despite our best efforts we

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may not be able to provide realtime access. We will post a record of this meeting on the town's website as soon as possible. To all participants, whether attending by phone or online, please remain muted unless you have been recognized by the chair. When

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recognized, please identify yourself for the record. If you're attending by phone, you can mute and unmute using the star six. If you're online and you are not a commissioner, please keep your camera turned off unless you've been recognized. indicate that you wish to

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speak by using the raise hand feature. So that we have a record of a quorum. I will now ask each commissioner to indicate their presence. Acting vice chair Janet Williams >> present. >> Elise Gordon >> present. >> Eric Hilbert >> present.

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>> Bob Delvecio is not here today and Karen is not on yet. She was said she might. She said she might, but but she's not here now and I'm here. So, we've established that we have a quorum. Is there anyone who'd like to make any

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announcements, comments, or future agenda items for anything other than the properties on the agenda today? You may comment on those when the property is being heard. Before we begin the agenda, um Paul, are there any announcements about the request for about any requests for

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continuances today or Bradford? Uh excuse me. Yes. Uh the three COC's for 19 Coward Lane um requested a continuence to April 22nd. At this point, Bradford Bower,

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chairman's assistant conservation agent, will now lead us through the agenda. >> Thank you. First up is an order of conditions for uh 41 Katie Ford Road, Virginia Don and John Donovan. Map 8E,

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parcel 24. Uh this was a local CWP-26-8. Uh it was for construction of an addition within the buffer zone to a vegetated wetland. This was continued from March 11th, 2026. >> Good afternoon, David Clark, Clark Engineering. Uh no issues with the

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order. Looks pretty straightforward. >> Thanks, David. Any commissioners have anything to add to that? >> Look, good. >> All right, Madame Vice Chair, we're ready for >> Okay. >> motion. I move that we close the hearing and approve the order of conditions for

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41 KD Ford Road. >> Second. >> Police. >> I >> Janet >> I. >> And I say I >> Eric >> and I. >> Sorry, Eric. >> All right. Next, Bradford. Next is a

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request to amend an order of conditions for 88 Seagull Lane, Richard Logan, map 15A, parcel 6-H137, see 10-3 3533. Uh, this is for repairs of eroding areas

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of an existing driveway. This is phase 2. >> Good afternoon. >> Hello. Um, I'm Antonio Butwell. I'm an architect and I've been retained by the owners of 88 Seagull Road uh to coordinate the application for the

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proposed driveway work. Um in the packages that I put together um I'm going to refer to the description of the proposed work. Um, so we've met for an initial consultation in December um, where I explained that parts of the

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existing driveway have been um, eroded and the goal of the application is to bring those sections which are highlighted in red um, back up to the original grade and slope the uh, driveway very slightly towards the

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northwest uh, towards the shed. um to prevent this pattern from um happening in the future. So, uh that's the overall scope, but uh there were a few points that you wanted me to look into uh for this meeting. So, I'll go through each

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of those. Uh the commission asked for the exact amount of square footage. Uh so, I went back to the site and measured the different um eroded portions of the driveway, which totals about 475 square ft. Um, and the contractor estimates

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that it will require approximately 20 yards of screen fill um, to fill in those divots and kind of that main uh, eroded uh, strip. Um, there's also an area in the back of the driveway nearest

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to the coastal dune um, which has been filled with red and black in the very back there um, which I discovered upon this site visit. Um, and it's like a very particularly eroded section. I took a picture of it um in the package here.

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And we're proposing to um put some rip wrap in that area, 16 square ft um similar to what they did in the front of the site in the original order of conditions. Um but a much smaller section of that. Um,

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so it would be that rip wrap section and the um just the regular driveway uh fill that we originally proposed. Um, another point that the commission suggested was um removing the railroad ties rather

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than replacing them um because it further um limits the drainage barrier at the west side of the driveway. So, when I went back to the site and looked that over and spoke with the contractor and the owner, uh, they agreed that this is going to benefit the drainage of the

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driveway. So, we're not we're no longer proposing to replace the railroad ties, um, and rather just remove those. Um, the commission also asked for the specific gravel spec. So, uh, we're proposing a 3/4 in native stone um, to

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top the entire driveway. Um, they also asked for the reason for the erosion. So when I went back and I looked it over with the um contractor and also spoke to the owners who um have witnessed the erosion over time um they

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basically said that the outermost harbor parking lot which is in the front um on the other side of Seagull Road will sometimes flood and then also the dune in the back will flood. So then there's this north to south stream um that kind of created those eroded strips. So the

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flooding, whichever one's more flooded, will kind of create the stream down the driveway. So that's why that pattern um exists. I I think probably the the the beginning of the driveway is um a little bit of a higher elevation, so it's stood

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up better, but that middle section is uh pretty uh eroded in that in that pattern. Um so we think that by filling the divots and sloping naturally a little bit tiny bit to the west

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towards the shed um and then also putting rip wrap at that kind of especially eroded part at the back by the dune um will kind of help redistribute the water on the site better and not have this really intense north to south direction when there is

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flooding. Um, the commission also asked that we confirm that all the work in the original order of conditions has been completed. So, I I inspected the site and also spoke with the owners and that has all been completed. Um, and then the

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mitigation plan and the work protocol. So, that's on the next page. For the mitigation plan, the total square footage of the filled area is 475 square feet. About 254 square feet of this uh

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takes place in the buffer the 50 to 100 foot buffers buffer area. Um so that's mitigated at a 1:2 and then the rest of it's at a 1:1 ratio. So a total of 729 square feet of mitigation plantings spaced out according to the species

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guidelines are proposed. Um, and I noted with kind of a plant um icon uh the two areas that we would propose uh doing the plantings, most of the whole front lawn area completely floods, so nothing grows

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in the front. Um, and a lot of different parts of the site, the owner said they have not been able to uh grow plants successfully. So, um we identified the two areas that there are plants and we would expand in those areas um because

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that seems to be the areas that um plants will survive. So, that's kind of in the shed by the shed area and then also the upland part of the front lawn uh nearest to the house right there. Um, and then we're proposing to use the same native species that were um, previously

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approved on the original order of conditions, which is Virginia Rose, choke berry, sand cherry, and sweet pepper bush. And then for the proposed work protocol, um, machinery will be required for the driveway work and all machinery will

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access the site from Steagall Road through the driveway and then, uh, the work is contained to the driveway itself. Uh we're proposing to do a silt fence along the back property line to prevent um erosion at the coastal dune located behind the property.

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Um and then work at the front of the driveway is pretty limited. There's really only those two potholes that need to be filled in. Um so we're not going to we're not proposing a silt fence at the front. Um also the dune is located across the street um off the property.

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Um, and then work would be intended to begin at the end of April, assuming that permissions are granted, and then it's expected to take no more than three weeks to complete. So, that's the scope of work. Um, the next page shows some photos. You can see, um, in the big

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picture, uh, traffic cone, which, um, is where that big kind of strip the kind of the center of that big strip at the top or the back of the driveway is. Um, and then the bottom right photo shows that little especially eroded part at the

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beginning of the dune uh where we're proposing to do the rip wrap. And then I have the site plan which we've referred to and the um special conditions pages from the original order that uh were requested to be included.

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So that's the overview of the application. >> Thank you. Um I just have one thing or a couple things. um based on the amount of fill that you're putting in there, it's required that you file with ZBA, >> okay,

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>> for that it's I don't think that's a long process, but you need to in order for us to proceed, we need at least need a uh a date that that hearing is going to be happening and then we can proceed even before the before the the ruling

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comes through. >> Okay? >> It's probably not going to be till the end of May, however. Okay. >> At the earliest. >> And just two other things. Um, we do require that you have a separate

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physical mitigation plan. >> Okay. >> The one you've you've submitted has everything on here, but it's it's combined with a it's labeled as a site plan. We need a separate mitigation plan just so the agents when they're following up on this down the road have >> okay >> more to to look at.

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>> And then one final thing from me. Um, you mentioned that machinery is going to be needed. Can you specify please what exactly the type of machinery is going to be used? >> Um, I can't tell you exactly, but I will

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I can send you a followup. Yeah, that's that's >> I know obviously like a dump truck with the material the things used to flatten it, but I'm not an expert, so I'll send you a followup on that. Yeah. >> Any other commissioners have anything? I have a couple things. Um, on the edging,

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um, I I thought we were only talking about the continuence of the edging that you weren't going to put in. So, you're taking all the edging out. >> There's a few strips of railroad ties, mostly at the beginning of the driveway. Yeah. Um, that are mostly buried and

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broken up. So, we're talking about rather than taking those out and putting in new ones in their place, just taking them out. Well, wouldn't that be credit towards the some of the mitigation if you, you know, I mean, it's not much, but you might want to measure them. >> Okay.

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>> Um, personally, I I can't believe that you would have to mitigate to re to to repair the driveway to the way it was originally. It's the driveway, but and it doesn't look like the type of property to me that their priority is

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watering plants all summer long. Um, >> yeah, it's pretty sandy. It's not the best place for >> I nothing I can do about it, but I mean I just think it's not necessary myself. Um but but unfortunately has to go to ZBA

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for some reason. I don't understand why, but it's the rules, you know, that's all. >> Anyone else? >> Thank you for being so thorough. >> No problem. Yeah. So maybe I could look and ask CBA about the um maximum amount

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of fill before they have to go to CBA. Maybe we could cut back the scope a little bit. >> Okay. >> To prevent that because that that's an a big hoop I think to jump through. And I know that they'd like to get this done before the summer. But I'll speak to the ZBA and see if we can cut back on the scope at all.

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>> Thank you so much. >> Try to get it under that um whatever that limit is for them. Anything else? >> Okay. So, we're obviously going to need to continue this. Um,

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>> how long will it take you to pull together that extra mitigation plan? >> Um, is it pretty much what I have there just separate? Yes. Um, I can do that for the next meeting when is that two weeks from now? >> That's correct. >> Yeah. If we could continue to the next meeting.

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>> Okay, that sounds good. >> Okay. Yeah, we might have an answer about that ZBA thing by then, too. >> Okay. Yeah. So, I'll look into the ZBA point and then provide the um separate mitigation plan. >> Thanks so much. >> Um Okay. And then I'll follow up on the machinery for that meeting, too. >> Thank you.

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>> Okay. >> All right, madam vice chair. >> Um I move we continue 88 Seagull Lane to u the hearing on April 22nd. >> Second. >> Eric here. I >> Elise

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>> I >> Janet >> I >> and I say I >> Okay, thank you. >> Thank you. >> All right. Next up, Bradford. >> Next up is a notice of intent for parcel 5, Crows Pond Road, Scott Butcher. Uh

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map 10L, parcel 5, SC10-3766. Uh this is for construction of a dwelling and a swimming pool within the buffer zone to a coastal bank. This was continued from March 11th, 2026. >> Good afternoon. David Clark, Clark Engineering, Phil Cheney is with us

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today as well as Ian Peach from Wilkinson. Um two of you were at the onsite. Um uh I thought it went very well. Um uh we spent a lot of time looking at uh

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scope of the project as well as the quality of the the NDZ and and and budding resource areas. Um I trust you all received the revised plans. Um we changed the footprint of the house a little bit um so that um we don't have

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to do extensive regrading right at the no disturb zone line on the south side of the house. we had two retaining walls there. Um, and so the change in the house um eliminates those two walls and all that extensive grading. We also

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moved the pool further away from uh the NDZ line uh closer to the uh outer 100 ft line uh and that again saves a lot of regrading in in other areas of the lot.

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Um before I turn it over to Ian or uh Phil to talk about the changes to the mitigation and the landscape plan, I just want to reiterate um that uh this

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lot is almost 2 and a half acres in size. Um, and our permanent alterations, including areas outside of your jurisdiction, amount to about 8,000 square ft. Um, that's a little over 7%

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of the entire property. Um when we're done um between the NDZ and the the resource areas on the property um almost 2 acres um are going

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to remain undisturbed. Uh, and a lot of that area um has uh uh dead and uh lying on the ground trees um that provide some of the habitat

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that's being lost. Uh so that that buffer zone uh which will be preserved has an extensive tree canopy extensive amount of dead wood that pro that will continue to provide habitat uh for upland uh species that uh the

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commission was concerned about in the first meeting. Um that's it for what I have to say. Um, if you want to hear from Phil, he can we can go over the changes to the landscaping. >> Yes. Hello, Phil Cheney, landscape

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designer. I think you can see from the landscape plan that a lot of changed as far as moving things farther away from the uh the no disturb zone etc. Uh the different composition of planting areas and so forth involved an overall

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reduction in in the uh ornamental plantings that we were using. So there's a comparable reduction in the number of native plants to balance it out. We're still meeting uh for the sake of the landscape excluding the mitigation. We're still uh meeting the 75% rule on

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that. But I think this is definitely a much more uh sensitive solution uh to the property there and keeps things uh in good shape. All right, maybe I'll go next if that's a natural transition if you have the restoration. >> Sorry, Ian.

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>> That's all right. All right, if hope everybody can hear me. Um, Ian Peach, uh, for the record representing the project from Wilkinson Ecological Design. Um, I'll sort of get right to it. We really appreciate the commissioners and staff meeting on site

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for an on-site gave our team a better understanding um and I think also a chance to really see the existing constraints. So we listened to last hearing um and really what we're returning with is what I call a multi-pronged strategy for the benefit

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of wildlife, the resource area and definitely this existent woodland. So, we have our um really in addition to our approximately 6,500 square ft of mitigation, which remains um we have that cedar grove planting strategy and a

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native shrub planting, a really robust native shrub planting that I spoke to last time. But what I'm bringing to the table or what we're bringing to the table this time um are some further ecologically focused woodland management strategies that David alluded to. So,

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what we've committed to, as you can see clearly on the land management notes, um, with that triangle above it in the lower right, we're going to do wood from all down pitch pine within development footprint. We're actually going to sensitivity cut them into segments,

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movable segments, minimal disturbance, and relocate them to the downslope area where they can have that adjacent benefit um, for habitat for as they decompose. um as downwood. So be just

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left to naturally decay um and be part of really enhancing um the downwood habitat across that whole area of the downslope coastal woodland. We also thought it would be interesting as I talked about the regeneration already happening on site. We've committed to

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take five seedling holly and oak trees that are in and transplant them from where the development footprint would be. We have those. Um, we understand there's definitely some good ones to choose from that'll be at a nice optimal size to transplant with minimal

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transplant shock. Um, and we'll we'll move those to the woodland area in the 50ft budder zone. So, just making sure you're not losing um some nice regeneration of um American holly and

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corkus uh in the footprint. So, we want to do that as well in addition to everything we're doing. And then lastly, at least in these um woodland management strategies, any standing storm damaged trees, which now there there are many um within the area, we're committed to have

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those remain as snags. So, um, really want to just come back to you, show this multi-pronged, thoughtful woodland management strategy on top of the the, uh, tree planting mitigation, on top of the shrubs, um, getting in that shrub

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layer and on top of the mitigation. So, just very briefly, I think I hammered it home last hearing, but we did want to focus on that mid layer shrub canopy. So, we also thought in addition to 30 native shrubs, why don't we add some service theory? So now you'll actually

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have that arrowwood viburnum height and then you'll have that sort of mid upper mid layer canopy height of service berry. We're going to add those to a to an edge of the cedar grove as well. So bringing those um additional three trees

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um to the table as well. And just in closing I want to remind everybody you know what the constraints are working with. we have a a really an an an intact but dynamically changing woodland that we think with these management acts we can support um and enhance and protect

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the the standard of wildlife habitat. Um we're going to bring in those mid layer species, shrub layer, mid layer canopy. Um, and we believe that bringing these all to the table on top of meeting um, the mitigation needed for the site and

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limiting the development um, that David articulated, we're going to have really a net benefit across the entire coastal woodland of the property. So, I'm having to speak to any more of those strategies or return to anything, but that's what I wanted to make sure um, I was putting

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before the commission today. And thank you. Thank you. Um, I just have one question. I'm still a little confused. Um, I'm having trouble identifying exactly how many trees are coming down.

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>> I know that that's a tricky issue because some of them are going to remain because they're dead, but >> yeah, >> because I don't I don't see that mentioned anywhere. It's we've tried to kind of work through it through the legend, but to use um

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some metrics, what we have are um total trees to be removed. Um not counting the dead or leaning trees, we have 22 and 11 of those are um under

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10 in DBH. and 11 of those um are um between I guess 10 and 20 DBH. Um so really it's 22 um >> that's great >> that we that we have for uh coming out.

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>> And then the only other thing I have Thank you so much. The only other thing I have David is um the the coverage numbers from the revised site plan. Those are the ones that we're going to be working with. The 6245.

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>> Yes. >> Okay. That's all I have. Anyone else? >> A couple. >> Um, yeah. Hi. So, the I guess for Ian on just following up on the tree removal

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question. So, the X's that denote trees to be removed on the plan. Um, I counted 28 of those. So, are some of those including dead ones that are not counted in your total of 22? >> I had to count it a couple times.

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>> Yeah, you're muted, Ian. >> Thank you. Sorry. So, we've got the two storm damaged and the seven uh standing dead or leaning in decline as the circles around the X's. So that's how we've sort of uh divided them or

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categorized them. >> Okay. So the the two the two with the green circles are I had to get back to the legend to see those are the storm downed trees. So they're not part of the count because they're already down. Is that correct?

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>> They're down but and I want to reiterate that they're not just down and get them off site and go dump them somewhere. they're down and will be carefully kept in the, you know, the the sphere, the cycling sphere of benefit of decomposition. >> That's Yep. I get that. And that's we're

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grateful for that because that is a that is a benefit. So that's good. So looking at the at the plan at the house at this at the footprint of the house, it looks to me like there are three trees identified within the house that are not

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exed out for removal. a 12-in pine, two 12-in pines, and an 8 in oak. Should those have X's on them since that's where the house is going? >> Yeah, I'm I'm seeing that right now. I'm wondering if they're just not coming through. >> Oh, and a 10inch pine, too. I've got

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another one. So, just to Yeah, there's three of them all together. >> It's There are three trees that are within the footprint of the house, but they're outside the 100 foot line. >> And that's that's what I'm trying to check here. So, one is half You're right. Two the the 10-in pine and the 12in pine are

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>> outside. The other 12in pine looks like it's straddling the line and the 8 in oak is inside. But if the but if they're being Yeah. The ones that are inside, if they're being removed should have X's on them and be included in that total count. >> Yeah. So we can look at that 8 in oak

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but um the other those three are outside jurisdiction by our you know unplanned straddling but I think on our assessment with the flagging um that all of those are out of jurisdiction. >> Okay. So just looking at just the 8 in oak.

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Okay. Um there's a discrepancy between the um the current the the updated site plan and the uh landscape plan on the size of the

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pool. The landscape plan has it at 15 by 32 and the site plan has it at 14 by 32. When you revised your footprints, David, did the >> expand >> other plans get updated as well or do they need adjustment? >> I don't know.

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It did expand by a foot. So, our plan is wrong, but >> the areas on the on the chart are correct. >> Oh, so it's 15 by 32. And you'll fix that on the site plan.

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Okay. Oh, I see. The first one had been 18, so it shrunk to 15, which is why I was going to say the pool is still smaller than it was. Okay. Um there's a note and this is back to Ian. Um the Vista note that's on the

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restoration plan probably should come off. We don't deal with um issues involving uh Vista corridors until the structure has been built. Um and you even have an applicant to request Vista pruding. That's fine that you're telling us that and we know. But it doesn't need

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it shouldn't be on the plan. It'll be on the plan when the VISTA is actually delineated. >> We we want to make sure it's in the order that we we can come back to the commission without filing a new application or an amended order. >> Yeah, we we normally will put it in

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there for new construction and say the Vista Corridor will be defined upon construction completion of the house and then you'll meet with the agent and >> do all of that. We'll definitely make sure that that's in the order, >> but it needs to come off the plan. Yep, we can do that. And definitely get

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the X on the oak. Yep. >> Okay. Um Um Um and I think that's all I had. >> Bradford, did you want to talk about the concern you had about the planting? >> Yeah. >> Cedars and the service berries.

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>> If I may, uh this would be a question for Ian. Um I I do love service berries, so I'm glad you included them. Um my experience is that when they're in close proximity to uh the cedars that they

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will um it completes the life cycle of the cedar apple rust. Um so I was wondering if their proximity to the cedar grove might be detrimental in the long run and if it would be possible to move them away from the cedars.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. I know exactly what you're talking about. I think we weighed that a little bit. One of our instincts were the with the expansiveness of the site and the ongoing drought concerns we and the need for irrigation, we wanted to find a balance between grouping

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plantings um as much as possible. I think in terms of a a thoughtful and sustainable approach to ere planting um I think because we are uh adding an X and um on

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that 8 in oak and removing that note you know I'd be happy to try to just really quickly if you're open to it shift them to give us a little bit of breathing room because I I do think that that's an astute observation. >> Yeah, I think that'd be great.

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Okay, >> appreciate it. Of >> course. >> That's all. >> Paul, >> any Elise? >> Um, normally when I see trees go down and a pool go in, I freak out. Um, it's

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two of my bugaboos, but the way you have handled all of you have handled this particular piece of property with a look to maintain its woodsiness and honoring what's what's there. I just wanted to commend you on this plan. I think it's I

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think it's a terrific plan and other than the um the notes that Janet made, I have no other negative comments. Not that they were negative. They weren't negative. I take that back. Roll the film backwards. >> Eric, do you have anything?

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>> Okay. So, >> we can continue this too in order. >> Yeah, I think we can. We have a couple of things that they're going to do. So double check the tree count and make sure everything is accurate. Fix the uh size of the pool in the plan. These are just simple things. And adjust the restoration plan to try to move the

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service berries a bit away. All of that can be done while we prepare the order so we could >> April 22nd. Sound good? >> Sounds good. >> Done. >> All right. I move Oh, did Eric, do you have >> No, nothing.

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>> I don't want to jump in. Can people worry? Uh, we continue parcel five, Crows Pond Road for an order of conditions on April 2nd, 22nd. >> Second. >> Police. >> I, >> Janet, >> I. >> Eric, >> I. >> And I say I. >> Thank you. >> Thank you all.

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>> Thank you. >> Next up, Bradford. Next up is a notice of intent for 01 130 and 138 Champlain Road, Cornelia Atkins, map 13A, parcels

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16B-1B, 16A-2B, and 16C-3. Uh, DP SE 10-3773. Uh this is for a boat house and driveway renovation due nourishment and

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landscaping within coastal wetland resources. >> Thank you. I am Bob Perry. Shane Watson Sibi is here today with Bedworks Design Incorporated. John Sibli is in our audience. Um, a lot of this project um

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is driven by their engagement with the property owners of the Atkins at the uh listed addresses for a a pretty significant eradication of invasives, but my role here uh with Cape Cut Engineering is

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started out with the boat house and then after meeting with the um applicants and their landscaper group, we um got into several other facets of this job. I just want to brief you on those. So, we have

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three properties, but they're contiguous and singly owned. We have filed with the board of appeals three separate applications because the boat house um while it's very old, uh does trigger zoning review under the conservancy

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district flood paint district bylaw. It's also got a few setback issues. um any kind of apparently any kind of earthwork, driveways, things like that do trigger some level of zoning interest

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and the discussions we had with Sarah Clark um sort of cemented that and um so we're all filed with CBA for these things. We have a coastal property on stage

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harbor. We're in the flood plane. We have Vzone and AE. We have a coastal bank that is behind the 138 home as it goes up the slope. We've got minor coastal dunes that have

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collected closer to the shore of Stage Harbor. We've got a marsh deposit on the opposite side of the road from the harbor that had received title flow from the culvert. Some repairs were made to

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that. It still flows back and forth a little and the department of public works has been dealing with that and I don't know its final status. We have to the east on the right hand side of the driveway. If you look at this offsite, it's a low, very hydric

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area. I believe it it even contains fresh water during certain periods. Most recently had about a foot in it. And that's an isolated wetland. So, we're hardly in the uh buffer zone

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here. We're we've got resource areas. So, just starting with the four pieces of this that are on um starting with the boat house. The boat house was damaged 23 24 storms.

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We've not got a perfectly accurate location for its uh former presence, but we've uh earmarked it by looking at historic plans. And the proposal is to put it back where it was on an appropriate foundation that

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does not need to be lifted to what would be a residential code elevation for flood zone. So looking at the damage of the boat house after it was struck by the significant tides of 23 and 24, the

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building itself wasn't damaged. It was fetched into the sand, became kind of a buttress, but it came through the storm. So, by elevating it slightly, we believe that it will be much more

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secure from storm damage because flood waters of that magnitude can go underneath it. If there's a hurricane with five foot higher water, who knows? But the repairs to the boat house involve framing improvements to

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take the constituents of the building and clip them together and make them more have more integrity to elevate it on not significantly deep piles, but they'll be about 7 feet in the sand braced. And um

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just to bring the character back, we don't want to lift it too much, but it will be approximately 2 and 1/2 ft above existing grade. The work effort comes in off of Champlain Road which dovetales nicely with some of the landscape and

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vegetative alteration components that Shane will describe in a minute. Um so that the area for accomplishing the work will be completely restored. While that work is being considered,

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this coastal area is an area of rack deposition, very very heavy thick salt bush, which is another topic. And we've got to the east revetments, stage harbor, pretty much a armored

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shoreline, and there is a def a deficit of sediment. And initially, I think the owner's interest was to overdose it with sand. And I've thought about it and uh we have a dune or bank. It's actually a coastal

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bank restoration project directly adjacent to the west. Um we would like to enhance the dune by the addition of sediment in a measured way knowing that in the near term flood

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tides are going to redistribute that which is a more natural way for that to happen. uh the vegetation in there and the vegetation that will be added will allow for sand collection by the wind.

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Recurrent nourishment may be needed because it will level it out and it might make more sense to then have a subsequent addition. It's not a lot of sand. I think it's 20 cubic yards of beach nourishment and 30 cubic yards of dune nourishment. That's shown on the

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profile where we have fairly minor ridge creation. But over the long term, as that sand is either pulled toward the beach or more likely blown and nudged by flood tides

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into that area closer to the street, it'll just bring the grade up a little bit, allow for a a a better stratification of vegetation that will form in there and provide a certain level of storm damage

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prevention, but it is not a lot because it's so low and that access for sand delivery can come right down that pathway. If you've been to the property, you know there's a about a 4ft wide pathway. So a small

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machine that would be a common use for fing in sand like that can can happen recurrently if it had to. Followed up by beach grass planting. So the second a third item is the driveway. We go to the north side of Champlain Road. The driveway's been

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there for a very long time. It's kind of been flooded a number of times. It's grown in with grass. The 3/4 inch native stone is not scattered, but it's kind of become one with the soil. There's a railroad type border.

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The proposal is to renovate the driveway just as it is, but to go back to the border timbers, which have kind of been overgrown with the grass, to remove the railroad type border on the left arc as you come in.

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And because that driveway, you know, appears to have a gradient to it, we're proposing to extend that driveway border about 35 ft so that it will help confine the driveway. It just makes sense. It is right at the boundary of

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the marsh. That railroad tie border would be replaced with granite. It's approximately the same size, same depth, same height. A work limit silk fence would be towed in right at the edge of the railroad ties so that all

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work would occur on the inland side of that work limit. All work equipment, people equip machines or um hand tools would be in the driveway. And yet there is a revitated effort that would

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accompany that. I think in the long run after it grows back, you probably won't see the granite. But it will be there and it will be a better fix than something like a timber um that just could get nudged in the wrong storm

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and otherwise it it's driveway renovation and there's nothing too surprising about it. The fourth item, if we go to the left side of the 138 dwelling, we have a coastal bank. Farther north of the existing slate

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patio, there is a series of seven timbers that created a stepped pathway and those are um moved. They're disheveled. They're not firmly in the ground and they're a destabilizing item.

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So, the proposal is to replace those exactly where they are with granite uh bars that would remain in position. They would be deeper as an install, but

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it doesn't change the grade. We talked very in very great detail with Sarah Clark and uh I know that your mandate is also, you know, don't change grades in flood zones. So that's part of this, but

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that would require equipment. You can get equipment of the right size to move those pieces into position to get that done. And again, it's landscaping and it's been part of the landscape uh package, but I felt that it was

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important that um if I could speak to it and provide just some general understanding of how it would be done and how much better it would be with regard to the coastal bank stability, I would add it to the things I speak about.

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And all of that area is heavily surrounded by the remediation that is the biggest part of this project. And I think having said this, I would say it's either now a time to ask questions about these four items or I can turn it over

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to Shane and let her go into the details of what they are proposing at Bedworks Design for the Atkins. How would you like to go from here? So, let's just listen to everyone and then we'll come back. >> Excellent. Thank you. I'm going to turn it over to Shane.

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>> Thank you, Bob. Hi. Pleasure to be here, meet you all, see you all again. Um, really excited about this project. Larry and Cornelia Atkins, who I believe are on video today, as are a few of their neighbors watching in. um hired my

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partner, business partner, I John, about a year and a half ago. And Larry wrote me this really detailed email about what he wanted. And I'll just read off some of his phrases because ultimately this is about our customer, about the client.

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This is their property. Um and it's just interesting because this is about I get this about 10% of the time when I'm I've been in business 24 years. I get about 10% of the time I have a a potential new client come to me and say these things and I think it's important because it

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speaks to the integrity of the project. He Larry says these are his words manageable um plant manage plants that are manageable that don't require a lot of improve a lot of pruning. They're currently riddled with um a multitude of

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invasives. It's unmanageable for Larry at this point. Maintain cover for birds. Remove invasive bush bushes. Protect marsh from car traffic and driveway runoff. Protect driveway from tidal and storm surge. Maintain a safe zone for

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hummingbirds, song birds, and other wildlife. I just don't ever get that. So, it's exciting to have them as our client. Um, it is a large project, but I don't believe super complicated. Our aim

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with Frederick's design, our part of the job um aside from Bob Perry is to remove it's broken into three components. It's invasive plant management, aggressive plant management, and native plant restoration. And that's how we broke it

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down in our narrative. And it is all detailed there. It's long, it's lengthy, but those are the three major components. The property is large. Um, it's four parcels. I don't recall the acreage

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offhand, but why I broke it down the way I did is if you start at the top of the property, um, and what we're delineate delineating as the north house sits just outside of conservation jurisdiction, some of it,

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and it's very um, somewhat routine landscaping. He has routine plants in there. It's about 30% of its vegetation or invasives and we'll aim to take those out um and replace them. And that's all detailed in the plant management

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program. You would believe you have that. Um and then as you move past the 130 dwelling and down the property, I'm going north to south now. Um, Middle North is probably one of the most

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riddled with invasives, but it also, you know, Larry and Cornelia have been planting beach plum and bay berry over the years um in hopes to do do it right, but they weren't able to manage. It became overgrown. And now there's um

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honeysuckle, privet, brier, poison ivy. You you can't traverse it anymore. Um, and it's important to remark that this is a fourth generation property. It's been in the family for four generations. Larry and Cornelia are um

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doing this to preserve it for their son and to leave it in a good state for him when they pass. And that is truly the intent of the project. um so that Andrew, their son, Andrew Atkins, can manage the property without

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having to pay I mean to landscape to manage these invasives on um you know a a yearly budget would be astronomical. They need to be removed and native plants put in that are more manageable. Um and so then as we move down that's

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the largest invasive area. Then you get to like the top of the coastal bank area and that's more woodland. There's um three or four cedar trees in there. There's a black pine. Um another point to note is that we're not removing any

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trees. Um the only thing we're removing is invasives. So that's more woodland. And so the way that it's broken down is the plant species for each area is different because of the different sort of microclimates and grade issues that

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pertain to each area. the woodland area is relatively flat. Um, and there's different plane species for there. The middle north off to the left where Bob mentioned the stairs, that's the biggest problem in terms of slope um, and

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runoff. Larry has tried to have paths through here and they're just have I don't know if you guys have been on site yet. You have. Um, so you probably saw the stairs um and the the runoff and grade issues there. So that's an

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important piece. Um, that's probably about 80 linear feet if you were to go top to bottom with those steps. So there is a good bit of distance between each of those steps to be able to have some leveling. It's just the stair itself will be important to hold each of those

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levels. As you move down um the property on the uh west side where I did put on the plan more precise planting plan is because that's largely 100% invasive.

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Um it's it's bad. is primarily privet, honey, suckle, again, poison ivy, all of our our favorite contenders. Um, and that was um that design is primarily to hold slope um and and keep things

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manageable over time, things that won't get be too aggressive. In front of 138, we're really close to the marsh now. There's existing rosa rigoza regist existing bay berry. There's a cedar. Two types of cedars

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there. We're not removing those. We're maintaining those. They are right up against the house. Um so I they're not great for the house, but we'll prune them off the house and keep them there so as to not remove any trees. Um so we'll prune the bayberry to keep it

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manageable. We'll remove the rosaroa. We'll extend we'll remove some of the lawn there. extend that bed out so there's better drainage and um hold that area better so to not have any runoff into the marsh. And then along the marsh where the

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granite curbing is going um we have um the I think we have the marsh grass in there all along that side. And then as we move into the across the street um complicated area the path itself has

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degraded. Um Larry and Cornelia are worried about it's become kind of a tunnel for storm water and it's right across from their driveway entrance. Um they are hoping to raise that grade there. I don't think that that's necessarily

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needed. The salt bush, the backers hemopholia that's in there has become very aggressive. It's almost acting like a porcelain berry. It's shaded out completely the ground. There's no, it's a monoculture. There's nothing underneath it. There's no ability for

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sunlight to get under there. Um, I understand that it's somewhat of a revered native in some circles. Um, and I I understand that piece. And so on the right side of the path, we're proposing to prune it, to regenerate,

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prune it to keep it down. But on that uh west side of the path um and important to note here, I'm sure you see the line going down the middle. There's a pipe there, a culvert. Um DPW and um Cadam

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Coastal Commission has been in there and we've been working with the Atkins for about a year and a half and we started with that pipe. Um so DPB DPW has been in there and using machines on the pathway already. Um, so it's eroding.

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It's been subject to excavation and machinery already. Hopefully, we'll be doing the boat house. So, it's a compromised area. My proposal is to remove the backris up to the path and have a planting plan here that will

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hopefully protect tidal surge going over the road and into the Atkins driveway. They often have to when they come down not park in their driveway because of the title surge. So, it's a real practical issue.

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Um, I think that's a synopsis. Um, and I'm happy to answer any questions or any other detailed things. I'm excited to work with y'all on making this a good project. >> Thank you,

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Commissioner. Any commissioners have anything? you want to go. >> Um, uh, yeah, the the the what I really want to talk about is is what's north is it all sounds fine. I mean, putting the

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driveway back the way it was. Uh, I can understand the edging so the gravel doesn't spill down the hill. I don't think that's an issue. Now, the the the little boat house, I I I think you have every right to, you know, to it's a pre-existing little building. you have

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every right to uh fix it up. Uh my only cons what I want to know is so you stated that the you're moving it back to where it was best as we can determine. Yes. >> Do you have any proof pictures? Anything? >> We have it on a 2005

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uh survey. We have lots of old aerials. So you have to because it was never focused for a offset dimension. We have to scale it. So, it's a scaled dimension. Um, to me, uh, it seemed a

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little seawward. Um, and of course, uh, when we're considering the board of appeals, we wanted to tell the board of appeals that we were approximately as it was. And yet, um, we are shifting

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it east. And when I say as it was, that was with regard to the street setback. But um it it's very uh uh interesting how many uh resources we have that show slight differences. But the dash line on this

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plan shows its old location and we're moving it to the east um because we're trying to reduce the law line setback nonconformity just zoning thing. And if it moves east,

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it does move a little bit out of the viewshed of the neighbor. And so that's the factors that went into where we selected. >> Oh, okay. Cuz the stakes that I looked at, I thought it was south that you're moving it for me.

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>> We are moving it. Um, I'll show you. Its damage location is here. It former location is here. We're proposing it there. Sorry about that. >> Oh, I have a pointer. Let's see. I don't want to hit any buttons. The the dashed line to the left

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of the building is where it has been indicated in old plans. The rectangle to the north right there is where it landed after the storm. And we're proposing to shift it so that it was 21 ft from the

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street, which was the same distance that we scaled for the former location. That's how we got there. >> And the second question I had was how much fill are you going to how much sand you going to put in? Do you have a record of that? >> Well, we did we put it in the notice of

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intent. It's derived from the crosssection. So about 34 cubic yards for dune development and 20 >> on the beach or that would >> Yeah, that's right. >> would move toward that direction. It's a

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difficult line. Where's the dune start? Where's the beach end? So we called it both beach nourishment and due nourishment. >> And did you ever What about the fact that uh because those plants that are there and they're not invasive around

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the uh boat house? >> I know they're ugly and I understand that they they don't let much sunlight through, but they do help with tidal flows. I mean, I've seen that through the years. uh they collect the garbage and the this the the rack and everything

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else. So, they do provide a purpose. Um it what what about just pruning it all down and then letting it regrow? I'm going to let Shane take that one. Um there's a roughness component to flood

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water movement and good, you know, heavy vegetation is beneficial. the the there's no there's no significant um increase in grades here that's going to take anybody out of the flood zone or or reduce the level of flooding. I think

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Chain's interest was to get something um maybe even thicker, better, more diverse, but I'm going to let her speak to the to the salt bush. >> Yeah, I went back and forth on this. I really struggled with this one, honestly. Um, and I actually met Bradford Barrow out there on site and he

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said, "What about maybe some swa keeping some swasts of the backaris and um maybe some by the roadside, but it's not it's not allowing it's a monoculture. It's not allowing anything else to grow around it. And it's spread

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so rapidly by seed especially. I don't know if you've seen that. Um then I'm afraid that it's going to degrade everything else we plant and put in for the Atkins on the left side near the near the um the boat house. And I

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also know with construction that a lot of a lot of that area is going to get damaged. I know the DPW isn't finished with the culvert. I know they're planning on replacing a pipe there. So it's sort of forward thinking that okay to the left of the path is going to be a

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mess and to the right of the path we can prune keep it retain it. Um my original drawing had little u bean bean shaped spots within that area. But I just don't

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know that that's achievable with the machinery coming in. And there's a lot of rosar Goza and honeysuckle around the boat house that we are planning on taking out. Um, important to note too, Bob Moss's property to the west, um, he

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wrote in with a letter supporting the project. Um, he did a really nice job. Blue Flax did a great job. Um, we're trying to mirror what they did along that roadside. It is an iconic property. It's, you know, the turkey trot turn

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where everyone takes pictures. that boat house was on the cover of Chattam Living by the Sea last year. Um I just think the continuity keeping with the plant matter that she used and she used um low grow sumac. Um we added Rosa

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Carolina in there as well. They're both aggressive. They both hold um grade very well. And then inside of that would be a 2:1 um ratio of the American beach grass and the panicum. So not just

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not just the beach grass on that next layer also with beach heather and beach pea and um seaside golden rod and then closer to the beach would be the um >> beachrass

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>> the dune and straight beach grass. So it is a layered effect. There's three layers there essentially um to protect the beach, to protect the road. >> Um on the west side, I know the property well. I've put many hours in there

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myself. Um it is a very steep banking that was in that was, you know, erosion concerns and it was heavily inundated with uh notweed. Um this is a little different. Um, what if, um, I just like to be

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conservative on things like this because if something works, how about any areas of disturbed that you could experiment and try something else, heavy prune what's there that's not disturbed and then see how it works.

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And then if it looks positive, you know, down the road, do another swath. But at least for heavy tides or something, it'll help actually help the new planting a little bit because what the mold tried and true um

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>> will hit there. >> Yeah. You know, maybe and see how it goes. Do a heavy prune and I think you had a good idea there. And what is that noise? The um and uh it'll let sunlight in and maybe it'll, you know, work on

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its own, you know. >> Yeah. Um, I think, you know, I obviously have to talk to the Atkins if they're okay with that, but I do I think to the pipe would be west of the pipe would be important to take it out. There's just not enough room there for the machines

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to do their job. Um, so if that would be agreeable to the board. Um, >> well, that's newly that's newly disturbed. That's going to be that's what I mean. you know, areas disturb excavated, you know, go for it and >> and uh because that would be a good area

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to match >> the neighbor on the west side. Yes. Uh and but the >> other side uh the you know the east side with the path and all that you're going to disturb going in and out of there, of course, you know, you're going to have to >> do something there. But that would be my

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suggestion. >> I like that. I don't know how that's going to look. We don't know how much damage machines are going to do and how proper they're >> Well, it's a small little boat house. I'm sure it's not going to be I'm not bringing cranes in there. >> Yeah. Although, I don't know if I could draw it right now. Like, I couldn't say,

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"Oh, that's the area." But we can give a stab at that. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Maybe keep as much of that salt bush as we can in between the covert and the path. >> Okay. Yep. >> Because that's a good that's a good area. That's almost half of that whole

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swath. Yeah, it is. It is a big area. And even taking it out to the left of the path would probably allow us to to meet like Eric said neighbor. >> Notice how when you're getting closer to the water then we get a little more, you know, a little more concerned, right?

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>> I I'm concerned too actually. So >> I would imagine that that root system from that salt bush is significantly helping. >> It has to be. >> It has to. >> It has to be. So you know, you talk about Mr. Moss's property next door. You know, I know this pretty well. He's had

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to replace that dune, I think, three times now because the, you know, the the waves come up from the south when there are storms coming through Stage Harbor. >> At least two or three times it has taken out his dune and he's had he had had to redo it over and over. So, this is an

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area where you can expect to get >> sure some really heavy wave energy and some pounding of the of the coastline there. that sha that you know salt bush has got 10 to 30 feet roots which you know his beach grass doesn't

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>> so I think it's doing already an outstanding job of holding that that dune in place and I would hate to see you know when you put in some new smaller you know Carolina rose or whatever it was you know you you you're

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risking that so I just want to pile on what they're saying and say that if to the extent that you can keep some of that I know it's a monoculture. It might get a little bit, you know, more variation and diversity once the disturbance happens and gives you an opportunity to try to plant something.

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It would have to be fairly large. You'd have to prune the the salt bush down so that what you're putting in has a chance to to compete with it, but I think taking it out is is is really risking the the flood damage uh functioning of

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of this dune. So, um, yeah, what they said. >> Got it. >> So, going in that direction, perhaps a work limit for that would be the pipe west. Okay. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, that's makes that just makes sense. >> Yeah. >> Mhm.

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>> Sounds good. We'll give it a try. >> Any anything else, commissioners? >> Oh, maybe. Ah Bob, what's a pram rack? >> Pramm rack was a late addition for me.

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Uh uh they are faced with storing small small vessels on the ground and in the in the absence of any anything specific, I looked at the boat house and and and I said, "Well, we can we can put just two

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pieces of wood cantalvered. You could either lash a pram to it or a kayak or a canoe and it gets it up off the ground. That's it. That's what it is. >> Okay. So, they can hang it because that being honest, it's not much of a boat house. You know, you can kayaks in there

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and maybe a dinghy and that's about it. >> Boat equipment house. Many many boat houses unless it's in the water with an open bay. It's a boat equipment house. >> So, are the dingies that are currently being stored on the beach and on the dune belong to your clients? That's to

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the east of that path. >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> I know. But I think >> it's a combination. Um I think they don't they have friends that they allow to have them there. Um they do need a rack for their boats because >> kayak rack on there and dingy rack to

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get them off the >> Yes. >> off the beach. >> 100%. >> Yeah. Those are big though for a rack. >> They are big. >> I mean those are rowboats. Oh yeah. I I'm I'm thinking >> Oh, is that a boat? Yeah, they're boat. You could lash it into place if you had

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to store it for a few weeks. >> What what would help is just having a a lot of the beaches they put, you know, they put the top I mean the the bow and they tilt it up so it's leaning up on it. So it's that's all you need, >> right? But off the ground or on the

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ground? Just leaning. >> Yeah. You see it a lot now where they have the like a bike rack almost but they they put the the rowboats and they lift the top and they rest it on like like a something like the horses when you saddle them up in the old days with you know and then they so only the back

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of it on the beach but at least it's at least some >> you know we we wanted to get something that would function for the general purpose that was not on the ground did not change the footprint of the building >> but the little one that's in front of the I understand what you're saying you're going to put something like that

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up on off the ground. That's That's great. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And just full disclosure because I didn't mention it, but we do with a couple of feet off the ground, we do have a stoop and a stair and that 36 square ft or 26 square ft which we put

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in terms of this overall mitigation package. We did not uh think that um that deck which is allowable in a coastal dune by most regulations would trigger a huge issue on mitigation. But

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we can just so you know there's quite a bit going on here and there's not a lot of an opportunity to add any vegetation where there isn't any. >> Um I just have couple quick things. So on the driveway uh how how much fill is

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going to be required to renovate >> according to zoning practically according to zoning practically none >> a quick a top up is how they try to decide >> well what's happening is um I believe that it would be scarified new base natural or calling for native and then

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3/4 inch stone again >> okay and just a coating just the the surface of the >> surface would be an inch and a half or 3/4 >> okay >> not too much it ruts Don't >> do I have the figures right for the for

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the um nourishment uh 34 cubic yards for the dune. >> Well, I let me check my >> we we did a calc on those cross-sections and I have it in the notice and I'm just going to go to page four. I think it's on >> 20 cubic yards each 37 dune

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>> 37. Okie dokie. That's uh and >> that's a lot. Um >> this is this work is happening within the the resource areas themselves. So is I didn't see a variance application.

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>> Um I I think what I put I somewhere may have mentioned this. We wanted to discuss with you the extent to which it required a variance because I've often seen the um regulations in terms of the undisturbed buffer. But if we're in a

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resource >> also within the resource areas themselves. >> Happy to provide that. I can give you some rationale. >> Yeah, that would help because we had to make findings about why this is being permitted in a right in the resource area. Okay, >> we'll provide that.

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>> Okay, that's all I have. Thanks. >> Okay, so what do we need to continue this to an order then? Uh, I think we need more information before we can because we have I have here Oh, here's what I was going to ask you, Bob.

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Um, the location of the what your what you your conversation with Eric was making me think. You said you have a 2005 survey and some historic photos. >> Yeah. >> Could you send copies of those in so we could put those in the record as well? >> Yes. So if you do that then the second

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thing I have is revising the planting plan to uh use the pipe as a division line as well as reducing the number of salt bushes that are removed to the disturbed areas um

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variance application and dinghy rack. So I think >> how long would it take you to pull all that together? >> Well, we don't want to rush you. were to do this work next fall, but we're headed to the board of appeals at the end of

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May. So, a couple of weeks. Uh, we should be able to um >> Yeah, >> a couple of weeks if if it would if if it would. >> Right. So, we have May 13th, May 27th. You choose. >> It's kind of close. Is that your next meeting? May 13th. >> No, next meeting's April 22nd.

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>> Two weeks. >> Make that if you'll need to get it in. >> I think it's not much. I think we're revising the plan. We're going to provide you with some historical data. I'm probably going to check in and ask you about do you want to change to the

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dinghy rack thing? Uh we're happy to work something out that's more creative if you like. >> Yeah, creative is fine. Whatever what works best and protects the system to >> April 22nd works for us. >> Okay, then we'll we'll deliver in a

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week. >> That's awesome. Thank you. >> That's your deadline. All right, then. I move that we continue 0130 and 138 Champlain Road to the hearing on April 22nd. >> Second. >> Great. >> Elise >> I. >> Janet >> I. >> Eric. >> Hi.

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>> And I say I. >> All right. Thank you for your time. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you very much. >> Bradford. >> Up next is a notice of intent for 87 Plum Daffy Lane. Terry and Janet

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Wells. Map 9A, parcel 5A- D15, SC 10-3772, proposed coastal proposed coastal stabilization and proposed beach access stairs. >> Good afternoon.

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>> Good evening. For the record, Raul Lisardi with Cape Panalanas Engineering. We're the engineers and surveyors for the applicant. Also with us joining us remotely is Ian Peach from Wilkinson Ecological. Um also representing the

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applicant on this project. Um so briefly this project is an application for notice of intent by the property owners Janet and Terry Wells. Um the project consists of mainly a

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coastal bank stabilization with a soft solution and also beach axis um with removable aluminum stairs. The wetland resources on or within 100 feet of of the project are Oyster Pond

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River, um land under the ocean, land containing shellfish, land subject to coastal stone flowish, a salt marsh, a coastal beach, and a coastal bank. The work is practically proposed on the coastal beach and the coastal bank, but

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still within 100 ft of all the other resources. Um the site conditions is that recently there was some coastal erosion at the southern extent of the property where a length of about 44 ft of the bank um got

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eroded. The erosion happened from about elevation 3 ft at the toe of the bank to elevation 9 ft at the highest point on the bank. This all happened at the southern extent of the existing stone revetment. Um along with the erosion, the

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homeowners lost the access path to the beach and the timber stairs um that went over the bank down to the beach. The main focus for the homeowners is to reestablish the access to the bank, but at the same time to stabilize um the

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eroding bank. In overall, the erosion covers an area of approximately 510 square feet. Um the design for the shoreline stabilization um will be um presented by

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Ian Peach um a little further on. But I understand also that there were some activities on the property that the health agent made us um the representative for the applicant aware of. We also reached out to the homeowners and the applicants for this

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project. They are aware. they do take ownership of the activities that um have taken place on the property and with the commissions we can further discuss on that matter. Um but for now I'll pass it on to um Ian to explain the

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stabilization design um and the restoration plantings. Ian, >> thank you. Thank you Raul. Um, for the record again, Ian Peach from Wilkinson Ecological Design. Um, going to walk you through the two interventions that we're

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proposing here, how they work together. Um, in the scheme of things, it's really, as you can see, um, in the locust plan, it's a small intervention, um, focused on really a classic example of endcour where we really have some

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endcour, some wave energy, and then it really accelerates once that begins at the end of a CES. So, that's what we found on site. the land form, the native soils and the plant community there were rapidly being disturbed. Um, and that

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immediately made access either unattainable or unsafe and weakened that coastal plant community as well as compromised or or potentially the next phase um is that that wave energy gets behind the CES. Um, so this context

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really is a perfect candidate for a living shoreline intervention. Um, where we're doing that soft solution where biodegradable materials and a carefully specified plantings based on elevation and context. They're going to stabilize that shoreline, but we're also going to

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bring back some of that ecological and habitat benefits to this co small part of the coastal site. Um so the two primary interventions working together are salt marsh pillows that you can see showing up in this plan in the light um

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butter yellow and the light green and just a 33 linear foot six high so six fiber roll high array that returns into the natural stable topography of the bank. So it really just perfect perfect

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part on that end scour to go to wrap from behind um that back side the up backside upper back side of the um revetment and protect um the edge until the natural grade and topography um and

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vegetation will do the rest of the work. So to start with the marsh pillows, they're proposed above mean high water and really it's all about elevation. You can see we went into great depths and detail in the specifications showing where we're going to we're proposing low

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marsh species and where we're showing transitional high marsh species. The pillows themselves are really best described as just that, like pillows or mats. They're essentially envelopes of sand and compost blended wrapped in a

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biodegradable fabric. They're planted with a diversity of five marsh species, each chosen specifically by elevation and their native existent context in indicator marshes around us. Um, and and the, you know, we're part of our

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thinking here is also finding the indicators around us of species, but also anticipating and planning for sea level rise. So, the mats are pregrown, which is something we've really started to do and is amazing because you get a jump start. So, we actually bring the

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mats to the site um they are staked in place with biodegradable rope and wood anchors um down into into the specific locations of site adjacent to other salt marsh. So, we're expanding um and really

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protecting where salt marsh would be degraded from sea level rise and allowing it to migrate landward. Um and so the salt marsh pillows are that first line of defense. they dampen the high storm wave energy when it happens. And then we're going to enhance that already

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existing um salt marsh plant community adjacent to this location. So that's kind of first line of defense. Moving inland, you have the fiber roll array. Fiber roll array soft solution. We talked about that end scour. It's going to absorb that wave energy and it's

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going to biodegrade into a rooting medium that's set in motion with a robust planting of American beach grass and the nourishment. So really it becomes plants and roots during doing the work. after construction it's

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nourished with that compatible sediment and that protects the array from UV for you know which will acceler accelerate how fast it degrades um and also for the performance standard of a coastal bank north of this all that bank sediment is

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all locked up so we want to you know make our soft solution as balanced and as part of a healthy coastal bank system um and it will be a sacrificeful sacrificial source of sediment um allowing those native soils to stay in

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place and encourage the plant growth. Um construction access here is by a shallow draft landing craft or barge. We've outlined it in great detail in our protocol, but I'm happy to speak to it anymore just how sensitive it will be um

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and and how we would work with any equipment in that way. That would come from the Barnhill landing um very much nearby. So we can be quite efficient. Um, and this just allows for limited disturbance. So we're not designing and

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then restoring an access trail down the bank unnecessarily where we can really keep existing bank plant communities of scrub oak and sassifrass in place. Um, and then in addition we wanted to kind of think comprehensively. So we have the

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salt marsh systems and their logic and thinking. We have the fiber roll array protecting endscour. And just above that where will there'll be some minor regrading. We wanted to keep everything as tight as possible. We've proposed a nice group of native woody plants. Scrub

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oak as a tree. Bberry and Carolina rose mentioned in the previous presentation. Um and they're going to further support the existing diverse maritime plant community on the bank. One really quick note um is the scrobo oak. we plan to

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use here will hopefully be a local ecoype where we've collected and grown the seed at our nursery. So really able to there's existing scrub oak. Be nice to get some more back into this bank. So um really at this time I'm happy to

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speak to any more parts of the uh living shoreline intervention or how they work or the process. Um we have a 45 cubic yard design load for the initial nourishment that I spoke about. Um and we think we've just thought comprehensively um working on the

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project and for our client for them to stabilize and accelerating end erosion, get get that needed coastal access um and leave the project better um than it was before in terms of salt marsh benefits um and coastal bank plant

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diversity. So happy to take any questions now. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Ian. Um and just if I can elaborate a little longer on on the proposed stairs. Um so the stairs that got washed away with the erosion were closer to the south side of the

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property. Um what we review with the homeowners is not to rebuild them at that location. That location will be the soft solution um stabilization. So we don't want to um introduce a set of stairs over that system. in place. They

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agree to place the removable stairs over the revetment. So that will be a footprint within an existing developed footprint. Um the top landing portion will not be removable. that will be set in place with posts. But then the

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aluminum stairs to reach the beach level will be detached and moved um away from the the shoreline for the purpose of protecting it and also not becoming debris during storm events. That in itself opened up a little section of

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existing um atgrade boardwalk um is the roll out um timber ballwalks that they have. It opens up about nine feet of that that is also available for plantings and the in the landscape planting from Wilkinson Ecological. There is additional plants that are now

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taking up that space. Um so we're proposing to restore all the disturbed areas from prior development or prior uses of the path. um and with the proposed um shoreline stabilization and the offset that we have is that we have

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less disturbance on the bank by reducing the amount of foot traffic um along the length of the natural bank. Um and also it's we're protecting better the environment in that the stairs are removable. So during the offseason the homeowners can just take it away and it

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wouldn't won't become debris like the last set of stairs um just happened. Um, and we'll be happy to take any questions and also discuss any further on the ongoing other site conditions if you feel like it. Thank you.

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>> Commissioners, who wants to start? >> I I have a couple of quick questions. I think we'll hold off on the other thing till we Yeah. go through this first. Um, so, um, I I I really am intrigued by, um, this is for Ian, by the, uh, the the

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evolving vision of how you, how salt marsh restoration is actually done. Um, you guys are are moving ahead and it's this is way better than um, some other earlier from years before that didn't work so well. Um, I like that it's pre-planted and and installed in place.

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How are you? Is this on the plants above the fiber rolls? How do you plan to get uh temporary irrigation to them? You're way down at the bottom of the steep bank. >> Yeah, just have to run an above ground line. We've run further than that

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before. Okay. Um >> it' be one localized system. We can really concentrate it. Um >> Okay. >> And Yep. >> All right. It just doesn't seem very far to me. Um Raul, do you have any sense of why this revetment wasn't extended to

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the end of the property in the first place and why there was no return? I mean, what happened here seems inevitable when given how it was designed and installed. >> Correct. Um what I can only think of not knowing the design that went on back when this was built is that this is

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probably more than a mile of shoreline revetment. Yeah. And this is a far far end. And the erosion was not noticed at this location until now. So maybe this portion maybe because of the spit that was accumulating um some material that

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comes down from the pond and makes the band maybe it was stable enough until now. Um so I think it's not an excuse for not having a return because typically we want the return but there is no return. >> Yeah. Well, >> um, so this this soft solution will

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actually work as the return >> for for this project. >> That's what that's what the design looks like. I think that's a that's a a sensible uh solution to the the problem here. Um, so I think that's fine. And you gave me that you did provide the uh

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uh volume of the nourishment 45 cubic yards. That's is that is that about 3 to six inches um depth? >> You got it. Okay. >> You got it. Yep. >> Okay. Okay. Um we have usual um couple of usual conditions that we would put in an order. One is the triggering event

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for renourishment which would be when 30% of the uh fiber roll um exterior casing becomes exposed. That would trigger uh and then I suppose annually you guys would I don't know whether you would plan to do a an annual assessment and see whether renourishment is needed.

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That's usually what we allow for in there. Um we do also have standard conditions for the barge. >> Um in terms of you know tying it to title conditions that's fine. Uh also on the aluminum stairs um when they're we'll have some dates you know November

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and um May usually for uh removal and reinstallation and then storing outside the resource area uh and secured. Um, and other than that, um, other than the other issues we we'll talk about, I

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think it's a it's a good sensible project. So, thank you, >> Eric. You have anything? >> I don't have anything on the reentment. Hi. um on your restoration plan. Uh it would be most

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helpful because I noticed that you you've uh you've noted numbers of plants above the coils, but would you be able to specify to the best of your ability the numbers of

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plugs of the cord grass, spike grass, hay, golden rod, rush, all we it would be helpful to have numbers on there. Yeah, very easy. We'll just use our square footage and our on center and we can put that on. That's great. Thank you. >> Yep.

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>> That's all I have. >> Okay. So before we before we go any further, um Roa, you were you were contacted by by the conservation agent about possible

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violations that were not permitted. >> That is correct. We're talking about 60 feet across the whole width of the property where things were really sheared down to

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almost maybe four feet, but they and it's fairly recent. But it does it doesn't just occur at the top of the bank. It goes all the way down to the beach. >> Right. So, yes. Um Paul reached out to us and we passed the information along

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to to the homeowners and the applicant. Um and they did respond and I provided that response to to Paul. Um I know it was everything happened between yesterday and today so I I right details to to come up today. Um but yes, the homeowners do take ownership. They did

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have the landscape team do the the topping. Um they felt that the past permits allow them to do so. They now understand that that was a one-time permit. Um, they understand also that the reconstruction of the stairs, which

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was the second activity that was noted as a violation. Um, even though there were stairs before the reconstruction, required a permit. They thought that the past permit that mentioned maintenance of the beach access allowed them to maintain, meaning replace, right,

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>> failing um, steps. Um and they are now informed that that is not the case. Um those permits were a one-time deal >> and any activity unless they had ongoing conditions which was not the case correct from review of those permits. So

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they are aware of that case. Now they they do take ownership of of the activities. They do want to rectify that. So, um, Paul mentioned that we can either amend this permit or file something new for requesting those

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activities to be permitted, corrected with a land management plan. Wilson Ecological can chip in and increase on what they've already observed on the site for this vegetation community and enhance on it. Um, so we are aware, the

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homeowners are aware, so we know that more has to be done to rectify those activities. >> It would make sense to me to just combine it all together. >> So, yeah, we can we can amend it. Um, one of the things that that Wilkinson's team is looking for is that they have

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this window in the spring to do some of the work. Um, so we're trying to get some of this work going. And I also understand the stairs have been filed with this board of appeals. Um there is a first hearing scheduled for the 21st. Okay. May May 21st.

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>> Um so we do have that ongoing. Um but that's on the stairs. Um the soft solution is something that um the springtime is something that is valuable for for the team. >> Okay. What reminds me of something else.

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At the base of those newer steps between there and the current boardwalk, it goes around. It's almost like a switchback that comes comes down before it's leveled off. Um, are you planning on doing any repair work there?

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>> No. So, okay. The only work for for the stairs is just the top landing at the top of the reetment and the removal aluminum stairs. >> Okay, that's it. >> And then one final thing back to that original order from 2000 or 2007. I re I

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remember seeing that there should have been a mo strip at the very top of the bank and now there's just grass going right to where it's almost eroding again right into all those sheared off trees. Uh could we add a mo strip there so that

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>> not a mo strip a vegetative >> vegetative buffer >> strip right >> pretty much for the whole width of that property. >> Yes I'll mention that to the the client and their information to us is that they're willing to do whatever needs to

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be done to re that's a simple solution so I'm sure they're going to agree to this. So, I mean, that doesn't sound like it would take too long to get that done so that we could >> Well, I guess it it begs the question of how do you resolve a violation of the

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cutting of all the vegetation on the bank. Um, >> well, I have a suggestion, very simple. Um, >> just let it go. >> I mean, well, you know, I'm glad the owners took ownership of this, but it was gross. Um yeah, I will say that the the poor landscapers I mean I don't know

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how many it must be a hundred topped probably >> the luckily there's two oak trees that were big enough where it was too big of a job to top those or they maybe didn't want to top them and I have to say they they did have the landscapers go down this cliff and haul up all their cutings

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up this cl I don't even know how they did this but they did. Um, so you know, this board has never, not that I know of, and the board I was on 20 years ago, we were never not allowed to have view windows. Okay? Uh, it's you pay taxes,

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you're entitled to see the ocean. But this was this was greed. Okay? There's no need for this. The only solution that I can see would be you'd have to have maybe a couple of windows. Obviously the river heading out would be one and maybe

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the river heading in would be the other. The have the middle grow again so it doesn't cost an absolute fortune to do. I mean who wants to get into violations and then you have uh you know you put uh uh restraining uh on the house resale uh

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uh you know we put a notice in there and then the cost taxpayers and it cost the homeowner. Uh so putting this on the uh with the with the notice of intent would make sense, but now the windows are are they're they're done. You you would have

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to cut that them windows down uh that you you you put on a plan and then you're going to have to replant something. It could be low to keep your windows in place, but they need to be replanted. Uh this is this to me is was

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bad. This is bad and there's no need for it. Um, so it needs to be corrected and that's the only way that I could see the windows have to be cut down and redone because you can't and then just let the middle grow again would be my idea of where the windows would be anyway. The

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most logical areas of the windows. Um, but yeah, this is this is going to take this is a project that I believe is going to be a little more than an easy fix, >> right? And also I understand that you know if if Wilkinson is the I believe

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Wilkinson is going to be the one tasked with this. They're going to have to review with the homeowners where these windows were going to be placed based on the views that that they prefer and also to look at the individual vegetation that got damaged and how to best deal with them. Um if if we move all of them

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because there's so much cutting happen that they're bound to die. Um then >> well they're not going to die. They just not going to have a topping. They're not going to, you know, birds can't nest in them. They're just sticks. They're And some of them are pretty good sized, >> you know. Some of them were oaks, other I don't know what the other ones are.

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Are they sassifrass or something? I don't know what they are. >> Um, but the uh but they're just sticks and then they're just deformed. They're never going to be right. But what you can't, you know, obviously I wouldn't want the homeowners to have to pay for the whole bank. It would cost, you know,

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cost a fortune unless they want to. But at least the windows have to be redone, >> right? So yeah. Um, yeah, Wilkinson will probably have to just do it the assessment, the the survey and and do the assessment of how to rectify it and and we can come back to to this board um

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to present that plan um and get it permitted. >> Yeah. So, they're they're going to have to be separate. >> Yeah. Do you want to separate these then? Because doing this may hold up the other project. How do you want to do that? >> We can either separate it or amending it because amending it allows us to to

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proceed with the self solution. I would recommend amending itself and put it on the hook where it needs to be done. Yes, the re getting done. Let's not, you know, let's not make it easy for him. >> Understood. >> Okay, agreed.

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>> See if Ian has any questions for what they were asking him to do. >> Okay. So Ian, do you are you clear on what it is that uh you're tasked with doing at this point in identifying some some view

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corridors and propose a restoration for within those and then >> um I what happens to the rest Eric? >> I would say just let it go and see what grows. >> Okay. >> Yeah, these are trees.

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>> Thank you for your comments. These are um you know strategies we've had to tackle and figure out across the Cape and Islands. Um and I think what you've laid out is is likely the approach um something of that ilk about finding the

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right views and uh assessing the vegetation for um for management or replacement planting. Um, and I and I'm hearing that the the board would prefer uh an amended to amend this NOI. That's

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correct. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> So, >> thank you, Ian. >> So, how long is it going to take you guys to >> Well, for for if it's an amendment, um, we'll just have to schedule Wilkinson to do the the size survey and and the

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analysis and come up with a plan. Um, but for this particular application that we currently have ongoing, um, we just move to the next step, I believe, unless there's something else that the board needs to to change on the on the application. >> Wait a minute now. I I thought we're No,

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we're doing everything together. So, how much time would you need a month? I mean, I need you to put I would like to see if the board members agree. Is it all on one plan? All >> I agree. which means delaying your your you're

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you're going to miss the window for this year on the aspects of the restoration at the bottom and the installation of the salt. All of that stuff will have to wait. >> So I'll have to defer to Ian to see how much um time

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>> would be needed for this um plan survey. >> Sure. >> Yeah, I'll speak to that. So right so we're clarifying here. It's not amend, you know, get this order and then amend it. This is basically bring this work into this existing NOI that has not

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gotten to an amended state yet, right? >> Um it's kind of amendment might actually be the wrong word. It's more just inclusion. >> Yeah. Revision of the NOI, revising it toclude >> just in terms of what amendment means. But um I think so just

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representationwise, we might this is a minor thing. We might have to show that in a land management plan in a separate sheet just because there is really critical detailed coastal information but that's minor basically for your intent you know we can represent it all

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as a um a comprehensive approach uh it's what I'm hearing from you is the coastal stabilization is wellreceived there's some minor additions of plant numbers in our specs >> um that we will just change we have a

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really good jump on understanding the site. Admittedly, we were contracted and focused um you know, really below elevation 10, but we but we do have a sense of the um a sense of the site. So,

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I think we can jump right into this. We'll just need enough time to consult with our client and get back out on site. Um I guess I'm not quite exactly remembering what hearings we could continue to, but I think

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>> it's wide open. You got April 22nd, May 13th, May 27th. >> Well, he's gonna he's going to have to do a plan on the >> No, I understand it. I'm just telling you that >> time >> it's wide open. >> Yeah. So, what was the first one in May? >> 13th.

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>> Um, >> that would mean it. >> Yeah, I think I think that would probably make the most sense. I think April 20. When would you need the plan for the April 22nd? >> May 6th. Oh, for April 22nd. >> Yeah, for the April one. >> Wait. Uh, next week.

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>> Next week. >> Yeah. >> Um, yeah, I think that's a little >> a little uh So, we should go to the first meeting in May. >> Okay. >> That would be your deadline for filing that stuff would be May 6th. >> Thank you.

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>> Okay. So, if we can have a motion to Thank you so much for rethinking that. I really appreciate that. Um, we can have a motion to continue that. Before I do the motion, I'll just say that we'll wrap up the stairs. We'll add a finding in the order that they were replaced in

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kind and there's been no change to the coverage as a result of that so that uh they are then blessed and permitted. >> Thank you. >> We don't need to do anything else with that. >> And with that, I will move to continue uh 87 Plum Daffy Lane to the hearing on

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May 13th. Second >> Elise >> I >> Janet >> I >> Eric >> I >> and I say I. >> Thank you very much gentlemen. >> Thank you. >> Thank you >> Bradford. Next >> next up is a notice of intent for 34

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Scattery Road. Uh property owner Nicole Levensworth. Uh applicant Stephen Engelberg. Map 161, parcel 32-2, SCE 10-3774.

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Uh, this is for invasive plant management, establishment of a vista corridor and planting to restore native plant communities. >> Good afternoon. >> Uh, good afternoon. This is Matt Lenberger with Wilkinson Ecological Design here on behalf of the applicant

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and the homeowners. Um so just to give you a quick overview of what our project here would be. The proposed uh invasive plant management establishment of a vista corridor and planting to restore native plant communities.

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The project area is currently blanketed by a dense cover of state listed invasive species. The most abundant of which is porcelain berry. Uh the porcelain berry on the site has overgrown and killed nearly every other plant species in the area, including a

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number of small fruit trees that look like they were planted maybe 30, 40 years ago. Uh the other state listed invasive species of concern here is the tree of heaven. Uh there's a small grove of this

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highly invasive plant uh towards the end of our project area. Um, this area is contiguous with a previous mitigation project on 34 scatter that covers most of the slope hillside there. So, what we're proposing

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to do is to remove uh a good deal of the porcelain berry, everything that is in our highlighted project area, as well as all of the tree of heaven on site as that's a clonal species. So just removing a few of them is just going to

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make the remaining ones grow harder. So you kind of have to handle the whole uh grove all at once there. Um we would be planning on replanting nine new native trees and I believe 15

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shrubs. The rest of the area we would be looking to plant with herbaceous uh plugs and seated with our meadow mix. Um this would give us a chance to do uh a really great restoration of pollinator

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habitat here. The site is in a low area in between two um hills. So you've got a really nicely protected area for that meadow. It would be perfect for pollinators. I'm happy to take any questions. That's

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the the quick overview of the project. >> Commissioners, anything? >> Um, one one note, um, it seems as though you need a variance to be able to do this work in the

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resource area and it wasn't checked off on your application. Oh, >> okay. Is that what would be the solution to that here? >> Uh prepare a one-page variance request. >> Variance request.

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>> Varian request. It's just it's that it's laid out in the regulations what needs to be in that. But when there's work right in the resource area, >> uh we can if the if the project is otherwise agreeable, we can have that by the end of the week for sure. We also

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further wanted to request that the order be conditioned so that we could uh potentially do the work uh towards the end of April, early May by doing uh bird sweeps in the area in order to make sure that there's no nesting birds.

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Obviously, if we were to we can uh provide documentation on how we do that and provide a written report on work days. Uh if there are any birds in the area, of course, we would be stopping work uh per the uh well our normal procedure of

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of avoiding bird's nest, but also acknowledging Chadam's uh no no work during the bird season. >> What is our time period? What are the dates for that? So the if if we approved it today and went to an order on the 22nd April, then you need 21 days after

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that after it's recorded at the registry before they can is it 21 or 10 days after it's recorded. There's a period they have to wait >> I believe it's 10 business days usually comes out to about two weeks. So be looking >> that would put you in midMay or the week of May. First week of May.

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>> Yeah. >> Yeah. That's close. >> That Bradford, what were you going to say? Do I have that? Yeah, I I was just going to confirm that. Um and just to mention that um that is kind of a standard practice that

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we've done um to not get around but um to accomodate >> move things along. >> Yeah. Work with the the uh restrictions from April 1st, I think it goes to November 1st. >> It does. Yeah. >> Um is to just have them do a have

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someone do a professional survey for birds or mammals if needed. Um just to confirm there's no nesting activity. >> Well, the only thing I can say I've worked for the Englebergs for many years and they've been they've been talking about I can't believe they're actually doing it. Um

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the only my only concern it's so thick in there you wouldn't even I don't even I've seen it M I don't know about miday. When does that when does when does that stuff really get going for getting thick leaves and everything? Um

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>> the porcelain. >> Oh yeah, we we'll definitely be fighting the vines out there. >> But I mean, as far as seeing bird nest, I mean, I've seen that when it's I mean, you you can't see anything in there. I It is solid. Uh what are there? Pear

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trees in there or apples. There's a someone once upon a time had a little >> Yeah. little orchard in there, but they're pretty white. >> Yeah. The the trees that remain in there are so thickly covered with vines, any nesting, I don't I don't even think

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there's enough room for a bird to make a nest >> for a bird the bird would still be making a nest on top of the vines. >> Right. Right. Okay. >> I mean, the the net of a porcelain berry out there is so bad that if you were to cut it at the ground, the whole thing

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could be rolled up. I mean, it's a it's a >> Yeah, >> it's a mat. Yeah. >> Oh, I think it's a great idea. It is. It's pretty bad in there. I >> It's safe to say it's 100% basically. >> Yeah, the coverage is definitely 100%. Okay. >> And then once you get into the tree of

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heaven area, they're alopathic, so they're actively, you know, the porcelain berry isn't around the tree of heaven, but that's because the tree of heaven is poisoning everything around it, >> right? It's also the um preferred uh tree of heaven is the preferred uh host

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species for spotted lantern fly. So that's another uh reason we'd like to get in there and remove them as soon as possible. >> You know, I get the fact that also it's going to enhance the view. I mean, that's that's obvious. We're all not

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dumb, but it's uh but I think it would be a big improvement. I'm surprised they're actually going to pull the trigger on it. I mean, they've been him and on over that for like 10 years that I've worked for them. Um, I mean, they're pretty laid-back people, too. I mean, they they're not, you know, compared to the neighbors, they're

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they're pretty pretty uh pretty easygoing on the uh, you know, on the formality of things. You know what I mean? >> It's a pretty I think what they're they're looking for is a pretty modest view compared to >> Uhhuh. >> Yeah.

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>> Janet, you have anything? Well, just want to make sure we're clear on how it's going to work from from a filing and all perspective. So, we'll issue the order to both properties. >> Yep. >> Does it need I The work though is going to be the responsibility of the

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Anglebergs, right? Of 750 of doing that. >> That's correct. >> They're responsible for the implementation and the maintenance over over the long term. >> Yep. and the Anglebergs and the levies are working on an easement agreement that will essentially take the order as

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it's written by you folks and make it legally like >> an an actual easement. Yeah. As code applicants, that's okay as far as it goes, but it doesn't go beyond us. So, if they want, they need a real easement. >> So, they'll be incorporating, you know, conditions that you've put in this order

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into that easement to make sure that they're exactly matching. >> Okay. Okay. And the plan that will be uh accompanying the order, I don't it will be the restoration plan that you guys that that

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Wilkinson did and not the pre-existing site plan, which doesn't really have anything to do with this, >> right? That just confirmed the boundaries of the of the wetland boundary, which is why we felt it was appropriate to include. Um,

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>> you can refer to it and and if you Yeah. If if it helps, it can be recorded with it. But I just want to make sure that the >> that the plan of record >> is is our Okay. >> Yeah. >> All right. Um Okay. >> Okay. So, we're ready for a motion to

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continue to April 22nd. >> Okay. Uh, I move that we continue 34 Sky Road and 750 Old Harbor Road for an order of conditions on April 22nd. >> Second. >> Elise. >> I. >> Janet. >> I. >> Eric. >> Hi.

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>> And I say I. >> Thank you. >> Have a great afternoon. >> Bradford. Next up. >> Next up is a certificate of compliance for 28 Cranberry Lane. Richard and Jill

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Ter map 15J parcel 18 SE 10-3653. This was for demolition of an existing dwelling and construction of a new dwelling within the buffer zone to a BVW. >> Good afternoon. >> Good afternoon. Sorry I had to wait so long. >> That's all right. Uh

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David Clark Engineering. So this is a partial certificate and that we don't have the three years for mitigation plantings, but everything else is complete. I think the site looks good and uh and so uh I think we're entitled to a

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partial certificate. >> Commissioners, anything? >> Nope. >> Looks good. >> Okay, we're ready for a motion. >> All right, then I move that we approve the request for a certificate of compliance for 28 Cranberry Lane. >> Second. >> Eric, >> I

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>> Janet I. And I say I >> just to make sure that was a partial COC. >> I'm sorry. A partial C. Yes. To to be thanks to >> clarify a partial the vegetation will wait. >> Thanks David. >> Bradford up next.

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>> Up next um are the COC's for 19 Cowyard Lane. Um it's all right. I'm going to read them together. Um, so we have uh 19 COC's for 19 Coward Lane, John and Leslie Nicholson, map

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16H, parcel 12-6A. Uh, SE 10-2176 for the construction of an addition to a dwelling. Um, SE 10-2315 uh for removal of vegetation along the

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road layout. um and SE 10-3090 for construction of the 185 185 ft uh rock revetment. Um all three have been requested to continue to April 22nd.

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>> Okay. Then I move that uh we uh approve the request for a continuence to April 22nd for the three matters under 19 Calard Lane. Second >> lease >> I >> Janet >> I >> Eric >> I >> and I say I

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>> Madame vice chair one final >> to adjourn >> I >> I >> I Hi, >> good job.