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[Music] good afternoon this is a hearing of the cham Conservation Commission being held
on February 26 2025 in accordance with the Massachusetts Wetlands protection act and the town of chattam wetlands protection bylaw and regulations my name is Karen Lattin and I serve as the chair today's hearing is being broadcast live on xinity channel 1072 and is being
recorded for the on demand archives available on the town's website it's being conducted in person by phone and by radio video conference the agenda instructions on how to attend and copies of documents for review are posted on
the town's website to all participants whether attending by phone or online please remain muted unless you've been recognized by the chair when recognized please identify yourself for the record if you're attending by phone you can mute and unmute by using star six if
you're online and you are not a commissioner please keep your camera Cera turned off unless you've been recognized indicate that you wish to speak by using the raised hand feature so that we have a record of a quorum I will now ask each commissioner to indicate their presence Vice chair Elise
Gordon present Janet Williams present Cheryl missery present Eric hbert present Bob Delio is not here Paul Johnson present and I'm here so we've established we have a quorum before we begin the agenda Paul
are there any announcements about any requests for continuances today thank you madam chair good afternoon Commissioners yes we have a request for continuance for 44 Waterview Circle to March 5th 2025 and one is in order uh and that's
been 36 Dune Drive and that's a request to continue to March 26th thank you you're welcome at this point Paul will our conservation agent will now lead us through the the agenda thank you madam chair uh first on the
agenda is a request for an order conditions 170 Vineyard Avenue David Briggs map 10d parcel 4- d114 D number se10 3703 the project is propose raise and replacement of a single family
dwelling thank you all right um yes okay who would like to speak to 170 I just have a quick question go ahead um in the very beginning where it says project and mitigation description
partway through the paragraph it says the proposed and the existing septic system will be pumped crushed and removed from the site is it the proposed and the existing or should just say the existing septic system the existing the existing you're right thank you
thanks um okay and go ahead did you have an opportunity to read it yes I've had an opportunity to read it for the record Hannah radit Wetland
scientist with BSC um we don't have um any questions or revisions to offer except for one item which I believe is on oh all the page numbers are the same they they're all 110 but it's uh
condition 8 under standard conditions and it involves the clerk of the works um for this site there's only a very small portion that's within the 100 foot buffer zone uh to
BBW which is divided from the site by a large flat um well vegetated area and the only work that would be going on within this area would be some vegetation maintenance for the installation of the mitigation area as well as the installation of the elevated
stairs is coming off the deck so we were wondering if it would be possible to take this condition off to save the client um a lot of lot of money to avoid a a monitor for this limited work and where is this I'm not finding
it under General conditions under preconstruction standard condition construction pre preconstruction conditions yeah okay preconstruction I was in general um so who would who would supervise and who would supervise the contractors yeah
doing the work um I believe the supervisor of the contractor would typically be um someone involved with the construction work um I don't at this point I don't believe a
construction company or contractors have been obtained for this uh as construction isn't um scheduled yet so there wouldn't be one of the listed individuals with the
qualifications of professional and surveyor engineer Landscape designer or ecological restoration professional I believe involved but there could be an engineer but you usually I mean if it's the
supervisor that would I think be the clerk of the works so I think you know that these are generic you know the you want to say on-site supervisor well I mean has to be somebody who's on
sighted all all the time I Karen I agree with you it seems implied that the clerk of the works is wh whomever has been designated to supervise each I guess we could I mean we could add in or Super H to act
we could add in um I mean the engineer is sort of isn't that sort of the person in who's in charge the project project manager maybe we could write you know add in project
manager um um Paul wait Paul wants to comment um usually when we do a preconstruction um I understand what Han is saying it get it gets pretty expensive if you make the person an engineer um so when we do a pre-construction sometimes it's the contractor but we always designate
somebody who's going to be in charge of the job on the job and responsible for telling all the subcontractors what the order conditions are and then complying with them right so that's why I was saying whoever is in charge I guess we could do say project manager or on-site
supervisor yeah that works either one I mean I think you know as designated at the preconstruction yeah and it I think it says as as designated it does say yeah approved by the commission you know at the preconstruction so would that work Anna
the only other issue we have right now is you have to go before zba and you haven't even applied yep um I have communication from the applicant this week that they intend to apply and be heard in May uh because
they haven't given me a date on what hearing they would be able to attend in May I believe there's two uh we would request uh continuance to the first Conservation Commission Hearing in June which I believe is the 4th yes it is
okay so um does anybody have any other modifications to this at that point we could H you know it would be ready to go and on June 4th we could um just approve it as far as as long
as they you know there are no changes made by zba does anybody else have anything to add to this order all right then if we could have a motion to continue it to the 4th bet of
June I move that we continue 170 Vineyard Avenue to June 4th 2025 for an order of conditions second all right Paul hi Janet hi Elise I Eric hi Cheryl I and I say I okay thank you
Hannah thank you for your time okay Paul the next thank Madam Madam chair next on the agenda is another request for order conditions the address is 36 dun Drive the applicant is Richard I I Crush names all the time fio junr
map 16a parcel 10- 6C uh D number se10 3707 the project is raiseed the souly portion of the dwelling reconstruct the portion of the dwelling with minor lateral expansion raise the floor to meet the designed flood elevations and remove the deck and
the step and the applicant has requested a continuance to 326 and I think you said you were going to discuss it well I think if anybody has any changes to anything that's been written we could update it now otherwise we could just
continue it to the 2 6th of March do any of you have any updates I think is this the one no maybe not um I think this is the one Janet did you
change something the word t yesterday I I have updated all of them to accept all changes as of today I actually thought about that for a while like it's done both ways that's why yeah um
anybody Cheryl Eric okay then Paul anything you Paul Jay all right then we can have a motion to continue I move that we continue 36 Dune Drive to March 26 2025 for an order of conditions
second okay Paul I Janet I Elise I Eric I Cheryl I and I say I okay next one thank you madam chair next on the agenda is another requests for order conditions the address is 69 Morris Island Road the applicant is Gregory and Teresa Clark uh
map 16a parcel 5- C1 D number SC10 3714 project is construction of a swimming pool walkway reroute the existing gravel driveway privacy fence along the driveway and replace the existing arbites remove the basketball
court remove fence in garden and they will be doing mitigation that's the project thank you hi Teresa hi good afternoon Teresa sprag with blue flax design I I only wanted to say that I've reviewed the draft order of conditions and I have no questions great does
anybody will any commissioner have any changes that need to be made um the only comment I got from zba was and I just want to make sure that this is being met I think it is the height of the proposed fence along the driveway
must be less than 6 feet from existing grade or require or meet the required 25 foot of butter set back the then they said the portion of the fence that falls within the coastal Conservancy District requires a grant of special permit but that's been that part's been removed but
I want to make sure yes that the height of the fence the height of the fence from grade will meet the zba requirement for the okay yes just wanted to make sure before we we did anything okay okay thank you then I guest we're ready for a
motion I move that we close the hearing on 69 Morris Island Road and approve the order of conditions as written second okay Paul hi Janet hi Elise I Eric I Cheryl I and I say I so you're all
set all right Paul the next one okay last uh request for order conditions on the agenda to round it out is Smith Street town of chadam map various Parcels various number of parcels um not listed here se10
3719 uh the project is installation of approximately 240t by 8 inch gravity seore with 50 within the 50 Foot buffer zone okay hey how are you good good afternoon Jeff Greg from ghd
representing the the town of chadam um I reviewed the draft I had a couple questions and um had a possible request for a tweak but I don't I also don't want to do anything that's going to delay getting the order
kind of moving forward so I guess the first question I had was if the contractor does the mitigation for the trees and within the the time period uh a tree dies or something it has to be replaced by the contractor do
they have to file something else to go back to make the replacement for that tree no it they you're replacing it with the same in kind yes it would be just to replace whatever didn't survive as long yeah we we understand sometimes things
don't okay so as long as it's replaced that's fine uh the second question was uh will the town need to have are there any provisions the town needs to do for long-term maintenance of the sewer through that area um they they shouldn't
have to be digging it up and things like that but but I I presume if they had to do something more elaborate they would file an noi but if they have to do uh pumping or something like that where they need access to that is there I just want to know if there's any other filings that they would need to do in
order to do long-term maintenance on GE nobody's ever asked us this before I I'm hoping you don't um I would think at that time you would have to come and and at least let the agent know that this is taking place and then it could we decide
at that time what the steps would be that need to happen Okay um the the next question I had is there was a there's a requirement for clearing and grubbing um uh time constraints I think it's page
11j it's under the disturbance site disturbance and drainage item two it says clearing and grubbing um shall not occur between April 1st and September 1st and considering we're we're approaching
March and I was wondering if that April 1 could be changed either April 15th or April 30th just so that we can make sure that the contractor could get in so yeah I I think we should CH probably change it to the 30th to make sure you have that time they think they can get in before
that presuming that we get an order of conditions and get through the the hearing purpose or I mean the sorry the so we've updated that um and then I I presume that the precon
we just coordinate with Paul yes and um there's a form that says acknowledging the order of conditions is I I apologize I don't do this very often so is that just on the web there's a statement that
says uh on page uh 11i uh under the preconstruction conditions number seven says the form acknowledging understanding the orders of conditions shall be signed and given to the agent in writing before the pre-con
meeting Paul what what that's just the form that we use for um doing the preconstruction it's two pages you some people send it in ahead of time sometimes they can bring it to the site with me I can send you one you fill it out in advance and just put all your contact information on
there and then I'll show up and we'll do the preconstruction then Perfect Right Y no just want to make sure I'm hitting all these um on item I think it's the last page number
15 it says uh the request for certificate of compliant shall include one or the other or both as directed by the conservation agent but there's three items so so I was just wondering if that just means we either provide the written
statement or the written statement and we added the third um it's it's basically there is a form that you fill out and when you are applying for the COC and it does require and as built in
usually photos showing the trees that you've planted and and the condition of the area after you've done your work okay so we would need to because this is a um just site grade we're not building
anything do that you're putting in trees so you want a survey location of the trees no you just you you provide well speak um I guess the reason I'm asking is because it's asking for a stamped and sign we don't like when we do record
drawings for the town for our things we will initial a document that this is based on the information provided to the contractor we don't actually have a p e stamp on it because it's not it's based on information provided by others so I don't know if if that will
suffice we could do that or I was wondering if there was a if we didn't necessarily have to provide that provision well through the chair um it depends on the project in this particular instance I think they could probably get away with not doing an engineered plan um we do it for
landscape projects um so you just certified that someone inspected it work and it was done in compliance with the order conditions and then any deviations that might have occurred and then provide just photos of the trees having been planted perfect that's very helpful
thank you and then whatever happened to the handshake right yeah um oh and then I guess my my last question is I get presuming
um we make these tweaks as something that when when might we see the uh the the final order of conditions just because the contractor's asking me so I'm trying to get them an idea of we have made those tweaks as you've requested and and um I haven't checked
with the Commissioners to see if they have anything to add or change um Crystal how quickly would we be able to issue this order I can work on it tomorrow morning so so let's see tomorrow afternoon or
Friday morning uh tomorrow afternoon there you go perfect I can email them when it's ready okay okay no I really appreciate that thank you very much any Commissioners have any modifications or additions to this
order okay then I think we're ready for a motion please I move that we close the hearing on the Smith Street sewer project and approve the order of conditions as revised second Paul hi
Janet hi leise I Eric I Cheryl abstain and I say I and you're all set thank you very much okay the next Paul okay thank you madam chair now we'll move on to um submitted notices of intent the first
one on the agenda is 83 s Seagull Lane 0 to squantum Road and 30 w w wilkus way uh the applicant is outermost H Marine Maps 15 A-1 15 a-2 and 15 a-3 Parcels
12h 98 1 n133 and US1 the EP number se10 3710 in the project is proposed dredge of Marina and Beach nourishment of the barrier Beach and Coastal Beach and the applicant has requested to withdraw this application uh with
Prejudice okay Hannah did you are you still on I haven't I gota check yep I was I'm still on just in case you all had questions uh would you like to officially request the withdrawal or do
you want me to read your letter um no I I can officially request the withdrawal and the reason that we um that this this has taken so long uh when we originally filed this application we were unaware of the permit extension act
signed by the governor back in uh November of 2024 which gives an extra two years to existing permits um because there's quite a few open orders of conditions that are are still valid and now have been extended this gives us
enough time to take these orders of conditions to still pursue our chapter 91 our water quality CT and our Army Core application which will be compin compiled in into a 10-year permit um this would then extend those open orders
of conditions along with the 10-year permit um as is typical for dredge projects um we do acknowledge that one order of conditions which is I have the number I can look it up quickly is going
to be expiring soon but for the rest um they are sufficient to get us through this permitting process okay so that's the reason that we are withdrawing without prejudice Okay then if we could have oh Paul I'm sorry chair um I have a question um we
did discuss a couple of the orders are make sense you know you can still continue to do the work there there are a few of the orders where the land doesn't exist anymore for nourishment purposes so we were asking that you close out with a certificate of compliance at least three of those I
believe and then two it could be off on the numbers but couple would remain open which is what you'd like and then the arest that really can't the work can't be done for one reason or another um would be closed out with
certificates and we we yep um so the the first one we will address um is the one that's expiring in April that's the oldest and it had to do with the old dredge um limits uh for the marina um so that one we will be filing
ASAP um for the Emergency dredge Improvement portion we understand that that was a one-time um dredge project and so if they are going to dredge in that segment uh in the future they will pursue another order of conditions so we
will close that uh we're just filing um for the after the fact with chapter 91 as that was not filed um after the emergency work had to occur and uh the Conservation Commission was filed with
so we will close that um and then for the one of the two orders of conditions which sort of had overlapping work and uh suggested Beach nourishment within a portion of the beach and Sandbar that doesn't exist nearby um we will close
that one and any mention of it within that open order um we just won't be nursing um in those areas with under the combined 10-year permits okay then we can have a motion please I move that we accept the withdrawal of the notice of intent for
83 Seagull Lane zero Quantum Road and 30 wik way outermost Harbor Marine without prejudice second okay Paul I jenet I Elise I Eric I Cheryl I and I say I so that's approved thank you
Hannah thank you again I appreciate it thank you Hannah next one Paul thank you madam chair next on the agenda is a request for a excuse me a notice of intent 44 water View Circle the applicant is Grace uh Del
delonis map 3C parcel 64 e-19 D number se10 3705 the proposed project is construction of a deck and a sun room within the existing footprint of a deck at the rear of the house and the applicants requested a continuance to March 5th
2025 okay I move that we continue 44 Waterview Circle to March 2025 second okay Paul I Janet I Elise I Eric I Cheryl I and I say I so we're
done with that one okay Paul okay thank you madam chair next on the agenda is a notice of intent application 16 W Windmill Lane is the address uh Jane Chandler is the applicant map 16a parcel h3d p number se10
3723 the project is to elevate an existing dwelling onto Fe compliant Foundation proposed building addition and a new title 5 subsurface sewage Disposal system within land subject to Coal storm Flowage good afternoon David Clark Clark
engineering on behalf of the Chandlers um I think Lindsay is online from parer um did the uh mitigation plan so as stated um this is a upgrade of
existing house uh to meet FEMA uh requirements um rather than a demo rebuild uh this is simply uh lifting it up in the same location and uh while they at it they decided to put a small little
addition um to provide a little more interior space because uh all the mechanical systems now have to be elevated above the flood plane also so it provides them a little more room inside the house for hot water heaters and other things like that
um this project uh well the house was before you last year or the year before for a septic upgrade that order conditions is still open either we can close that out and uh wrap the uh septic system that's part of this
project uh into this order or we can keep the other one open and and amend that to include this septic system um it's entirely up to you I don't care which way we go it's probably easier just to close out the old order uh since no work will be that system will not be
um installed so uh as stated we're we're simply lifting the house onto a FEMA uh compliant Foundation um the entire properties in the flood zone there is a uh Coastal Dune um between the house and
uh chadam Harbor uh right now the Open Water is quite far away thank you Paul uh it's quite far away from the house um it has been as CL less than 100
fet uh from the house uh back in uh ' 89 um when this entire stretch of uh Waterfront uh was exposed and uh eroding quite quickly but it's all stable now uh
has been for 20 plus years um the D is built back up uh I don't know if this property was included in the fiber Roll Project there was a number of properties from Windmill Lane to the north that were all done at the same time in the late 80s early 90s um there might be a
fiber roll array under there somewhere but we're not working in that area other than the uh mitigation plantings uh because we're lifting the house we took another look at uh the septic system that was already approved uh the previous system was on the the
water side of the house uh since we were lifting the house um we thought it'd be better to tuck it around the side of the house um and uh and use that area for the leech field we're still using an IA system as was approved before
um in a past project I think I explained the benefits of using IIA in this particular case um we've used IIA to reduce the depth of groundwater to reduce the amount of fill in the flood plane the the other option is to take a
50% reduction in the footprint of the leech field uh I calculated both ways this saves about 20 cubic yards of material as far as fill so I figur it's better ask for the variance to or the the approval to reduction in the
separation of ground groundw rather than a reduction in the size of the system uh other than that it's basically the same system that was proposed before it's just in a different location um small additions proposed off the
south side of the house along with uh reconfigured uh access because the house is going to be so much higher above existing grade um this project portions the mitigation
portion of the project is within the uh priority habitat area so this has been sent off off to natural heritage uh there was a little mix up in the paperwork so we we didn't get a response from them yet uh we they have 30 days
from the request of additional materials so I don't expect a response for them for another couple of weeks which is fine because we still have to go to zoning board of appeals on this um there's an overall decrease in site
coverage within the flood plane itself uh I also broke out the calculations as far as the ndz to the to the Dune um there is an increase in one area but there's a larger decrease in in the
other area but overall across the whole property uh within land subject Coastal storm flow is there is a reduction in site coverage we'll Rec we're proposing reconfigure the driveway just a little bit uh it's perious now it'll remain pervious uh
um that's about it so when you say you're reconfiguring the driveway a little bit uh on the plan it doesn't show it's right right at the entrance to the garage um okay you mean you're taking it away for that little addition
yeah uh it right they excavated the site to get access to the garage and if you've been out to the site I wish I had included the pictures but uh there is a significant stain on the garage door as to where the normal water level is
during yes storm season um so uh that'll all be eliminated now the garage slab will be just a couple of tents of a foot higher than the existing the finish grade outside so we'll always have we expect this basement to flood this um but at least there'll be
positive drainage now we're not entrapping water great thank you uh anybody want to start first up go so David just following up on that what is the existing how deep is the existing
Foundation is it a it's a block Foundation it's it's been there since the 30s I think um it's one of the first Cottages the horns built is it a full basement it it well somewhat is is it's about six foot h space down yeah more or
less yeah it's about 2 feet below grade right now uh all around um what will the new one be then pardon me what will the new one be the new found uh it'll be I think elevation I think elevation 5.1 it was
SO2 feet higher than what it is now yeah so if it was about 6 feet so it'll be about four well the top of foundation going up too cuz the first floor has to be elevated up to Elevation 15 okay so but the bottom the bottom layer will be 2T
higher than it currently is there okay got that um and so is that so what fill is needed then for this uh just a little bit to meet the grade at the new garage slab uh the entrance into the garage uh
and the fill the other fill will be inside the foundation to bring that to bring it up bring it up so that's the FI the amount of fi that you that you I'm just connecting that to the to the IIA system that will reduce the amount of oh
uh the other well it that wasn't part of my calculations as to overall fill um uh so other than the fill required to bring the basement slab up and the fill
required for the septic system we're not adding any fill for as far as what's required for the house okay um I was wondering on the exterior okay okay sorry can you explain the difference between the two coverage charts you you mentioned it but I'm
still kind of struggling with the on the right side of the of this plan is the coastal Dune buffer coverage and on the left is the 0 to 50 and 50 to 100 the figures are different in both of those so I'm not I haven't been able to reconcile that
I don't have an answer for you um sorry it's okay it's just they must be referring to so for example existing dwelling is 13 15 square feet that's not changing in the Dune buffer on the other side existing dwelling is 459 in the ndz
and 848 like I guess that's 13 I mean maybe these add up I never thought about adding them to see if they come to that that's right they do they add up to I'm getting out my cheat I know and then I compared it to the chart and I
then I got completed I I'll I'll have to I okay yeah it's 1307 on the left and it was 1315 15 on the right yeah but it changes yeah so I couldn't reconcile
those and with the um the coverage chart which ends up at a total increase in coverage of 17 ft yeah and you just said there's an overall decrease
so I had my little calculator out and I was unable to yeah the 17t increas is in the outer Aura no it's total so the the the charts I'm just looking at the other chart that's just off the screen yeah so
when you when you you take the net increase and you subtract it from the uh the other net decrease in the0 to 50 you get 43 Square fet net and that's what you get
32 41 and the other one so as far as the so is that a is that an overall so decrease we have 21 increase 64 decrease so net reduction of 43 okay and
then over there I think those two numbers match as far as the net decrease all right so overall 43 y decrease all right that's what I needed to get to we always struggle with the charts when a lot of the work is being done
within a resource area well it's hard because you the whole thing plus you've got a buffer zone to another thing oh that reminds me so there's only a dune there's no Bank on this project no there are parts of the Land Management plan that refer to the Coastal Bank oh so
they need to um change those references to Dune that threw me into another Rabbit Hole back B okay that's it for me thank you
David anybody else okay I'll go um so Lindsay's on if you want to hear from that's I was just going to say hopefully we had somebody from parter
yeah so Lindsay if you'd like to go go ahead hi okay um so this plan we are conducting some invasive species management over
12,460 Square ft the invasive species cover ranges um as it gets closer to the water it's only about 5% and in those areas it's mostly um invasive vines that we feel like we can cut and remove from
the area without damaging the native plant community and therefore not needing any plant Replacements in that area as it gets closer to the top of the Dune the invasive species are a lot um higher their percentage is much higher
so we have native plants going in the pet that we used is essentially um the bread and butter part is what's there already what's doing really well Bay Berry and Beach Plum and then we've added a little bit of diversity just for some extra ecological
diversity on the site okay I have a couple questions I have two restoration planting plans that were submitted one has the two trees that are
coming out which I would like to know why is that one tree that's just near the limit of coastal Dune coming out that tree is actually dead so if you
if you look at it it's completely Brown and the first time I walked the site was in the middle of the drought last summer and I felt like it was a fire hazard okay so it's a it's the Japanese black
pine it is okay there are other Black Pines on that site that I have not suggested that we remove but that one because it's dead and brown I I am concerned about it from a fire perspective so that that one is proposed
for removal and the other one we found out later that 12in cedar that's right by the foundation is just not going to make right it's not going to make it after the work with the foundation so the two planting plans the updated plan
has some Eastern red Cedars going back at a 2:1 ratio to compensate for the cedar that's near the foundation and a one to one for the the Japanese black pine right so in your notes your plan notes on
the one well they're both dated 1218 anyway the one that doesn't have numbers in the plant key you say in the notes one dead Japanese black pine that posts a fire fire hazard near the house will be removed I didn't think it was all that close to the house but maybe you
could just modify that to just say because it's dead I mean it I don't think it matters what kind of a hazard it is um and then that
one you you show the three Eastern red Cedars where they're going in but all there are no numbers in the plant key but in the other restoration planting plan you don't show that the cedar is
coming out near the foundation you don't have an X over that and the plant key has the numbers of everything but doesn't list the trees and where they're going and the
size so somehow so that's sorry we need to have one plan that has it all okay so the revised plan should say 124 with the revision date that is the one with the eastern red seeders it does
not have the plant numbers I am seeing that now I will definitely make that update okay and put those numbers on there okay good the earlier dated plan probably shouldn't have been uh submitted and that Lindsay had provided us all the plans to file and
then I noticed that the the well that's why I was looking going each plan had a good portion of what we needed but neither had everything so that's why I just want to make sure we get everything on one plan
um also is the shower per I think it's been there a long time yeah I mean just wanted to make sure it's been there a long it looks like it's been there a long time but things weather well too and look old sooner
than maybe um and then I don't believe at least I didn't see it did you have anything that talked about access staging that plan I didn't find that aspect of access to the site for all the
work um there's only one way to come in and that's off of Mill uh wind um there is some room in the driveway but because this isn't a demo rebuild um the contractor that's lifting the house will
have control of the site first and when they're done um the excavation Contra contractor will come in and do the septic system so I don't think there's going to be a big conflict uh with stockpiling of materials and and and uh
contractors um so everything can be done from The Windmill Lane side um I would imagine um since half the mitigation work uh can't go in till the septic systems and that
that'll be one of the last things that uh get done out there okay can you explain I I I just kind of don't get this candal levered deck in the back it's so small it is and um I
and and we we talked about that with the architect they just don't want to open the doors and have a rail they just want have some sense that you're outside when you open the doors uh so it is it's very small and and uh it it's just uh yeah
and they don't want to just put some something like right where you open the door and have the steps and I mean it kind of it goes across the whole back of the house it it it does and um to have anything that's connected to the ground
level was going to require a tremendous amount of stairs uh because the house is so high um true so they took that into account uh and having a deck on that side all right it just it was so small I was like boy this a lot of work for it's
like a it's like a pacing deck go it's not even attached to the other side so I was like it's not like they're trying to get to that part of the deck um perfect for a Pomeranian or something like that uh yeah Chihuahua um anybody
else anything no you hit all mine um the um so the planting is going behind the septic along the property line there's a yeah there's a uh is that because yeah
because normally it's something that I don't like to see but then they wouldn't have any lawn space if they attach it to the other mitigation I would assume yeah yeah uh well since there's a reduction technically we don't need any mitigation but this is more restoration yeah there
are non-natives along that property line now and it it provides screening between the property of the north um so that's going to be replaced with natives um is is the purpose of all that is it is it at all possible to I always asked us to
try to F uh milked into the planting plant a cluster of milked um it's full sun so is the designer still on or oh
Lindsay yeah yes um we I'm sure we could incorporate some milk we into the plan yeah that would be great thanks anybody else all right well you're before zba on the
27th um we obviously we need a new plan for the planting um I don't think there were a whole lot of other things except for the nhp um letter so
so and updating the management plan to say Dune not Bank uh they really aren't tremendously complicated uh Lindsay if you could get those two or
sooner well you've got at least a month we would be able to I think go to an order for April because I don't think we need to rehear this unless Z ba changes something and and if uh natural heritage
gets back to us and they want an additional information we'll let you know right so that and we could always continue it but um you know not not provide the order at that time but I'm not hearing that there's anything major [Music]
so I think it's great that they're keeping the design of the house March there before I think that's pretty cool April second so so April our first meeting's April 2nd second one's April
9th um let's go to April 9th because um I don't think zoning board uh well I'm pretty comfortable that zoning board's going to put the restriction on no outside work given this neighborhood
from middle of June to Labor Day and oh yeah by the time we get going it's going to be May one and there's not a lot of work that's going to happen in six weeks so uh so we could have an order ready for April 9th as long as Lindsay you get
things to us before then and we have time to write it yep that's fine um so I can definitely do that okay so April 9th got it I move that we continue 16 Windmill Lane to April 9th 2025 for an
order of conditions second Paul hi Janet I Elise I Eric I Cheryl I and I say I so you're all set thank you okay the
laser No One's Gonna walk away respons all right next one Paul thank you madam chair uh next on the agenda is a notice of intent parcel H3 Captain n's way is the address
minglewood homes is the applicant uh map 11c parcel h13 to e number SC10 3722 the project is construction of a harbor access stairs over a Coastal Bank David Clark again Clark engineering
on behalf of minglewood homes uh as you know this house is underway and we I saw it's very underway yeah um and so uh we had said that we would be back with a set of stairs um and so here we are uh proposal
is for set of stairs over Coastal Bank to access uh the beach front on oyeron River um this is scheduled for zoning board of appeals in a couple of weeks um and so uh
the stairs have been put in a location where the least amount of underbrush uh has to be removed um and also uh the least amount of uh tree work that needs to be done
um we did look at other places along the bank uh I I know a lot of the Commissioners have been out to the site uh the bank is very well vegetated or heavily veget vegetated um with the exception of this
little area um so we felt this was the most appropriate place to put the put the stairs zoning bylaw allows uh stairs over a bank to be as close as 3 feet to a property line we're at 4.7 that's the closest
point um that's about it uh it's pretty straightforward set of stairs I know that the commission has been pushing for a three foot maximum width and so that's what this one has been designed for um and we also included a a kayak
rack that would be attached to the stairs themselves rather than having a separate structure on the beach someplace okay I do have before we begin I have two of butter letters that I'll read my husband and I would like to go on record as objecting to this applicant
request for a special permit that would allow him to build an elevated staircase dangerously close to to an existing staircase in an area that has seen some serious erosion in recent Years hopefully you will make the right decision and deny his request Robert and
Andrea Dodge dods 82 judges way in chadam the second one is recently 1113 2020 completed project se10 3440 with the goal to stabilize the
eroded Coastal Bank by installing a 10t by 12 12T erosion control blanket under and around the the existing stairs there's quite a bit of erosion in this location and especially when increasingly heavy winter storms hit and
in particular when ice slabs float in the river a prior project SE 10- 3222 cwp1 19-4a address the consequences of the 2018 winter storm and resulted in a new
seasonal aluminum staircase from the existing platform to the coastal Beach below replacing to the replacing the prior Timber steps the seasonal steps were strongly recommended by engineering and conservation
objection having concluded this restoration project this month at considerable expense we are concerned about the concentration of a new stairway structures all a few yards apart with probable future stairs in between the
property as well there is an easement Pathway to the Coastal Bank given the inevitable erosion progression it is preferred that the suggested elevated stairway Landings in kayak rack be seasonal and moved more to the east of
the property this would minimize the concentration of activity and one concentrated point point reducing erosion risk if the main reason for the positioning of stairs is an existing path please be informed that there has never never been any human activity
there other than deer making their way up the hill resulting in modest Deer Trail Everett and Joyce Whig I've probably butchered that 70 judges way in chadam so having read that
in anyone want to start this discussion yeah I will okay thank you um uh number I guess the deer aren't that dumb app all are they um so they they're using the path of lease resistance and I I
look to the site and I agree the uh that's the most logical place of lease resistance to put it and less uh destruction you'll do to the bank to build it uh I mean you're just putting posts in the ground I mean you're not you're not going to destabilize the bank
I I I mean you know it's it's amazes me that other people have stairways but then now now they don't want this applicant to have one um the uh I find it hard to believe that it's going to interfere with the stairway uh that's next to it
myself um and um I personally don't have any issues with this project okay thank you anybody else go ahead Elise I would like to see it be seasonal at the bottom I think that would be something that would be consistent is that a diff is that a
difficult thing to do Dave I in in a lot of cases I would agree but but um the times of year where you have Coastal storms on the south side of the cape or or the summertime hurricanes uh in the winter time you have
the the northeaster um where you don't have any wave activity and and you you might see a storm surge but it's not nearly as significant as you would see in Pleasant Bay during that time um if if a portion of this needs to be
seasonal it it probably only has to be the the last uh 2 or 3 feet in elevation yeah um and we might have to put another platform there um but uh elevation 4 is the extreme high water for the stage
Harbor complex um in a storm surge you might get up to Elevation six as witnessed by where the gartman is right now um so like I said I I don't think we need to be more than elevation six maybe
elevation 8 with the removable portion I did discuss that with minglewood before the meeting and if that if that's something the commission really wants we'll accommodate them on that okay thank you for that um ahead so if it does so what
caused the the scarping then along the bank if it doesn't have winter well it's it's it's uh it's not wave action it's it's it's a high tide that that's just pulling material as as the current is as
the Tide's coming and going um but given this area I think that escarment is minimal can considering how long this land form has been there uh I mean there's no I was just wondering whether it's
connected in any way with that pre-existing pathway it's only limited to a few feet on either side of that pathway I was trying to figure out what would have caused it in that location I don't think the pathway has been used all that much over the last
since Judge Brandy's daughter owned the property 100 years ago um there is an old driveway there so there was something there there was a house there no yeah and uh and so I think it's just the remnants of that and there might be
some folks in the neighborhood that take advantage of that um uh before minglewood purchased the property there was evidence that people crossed this property uh just because the owners had to put up a gate um
because people would park there uh so uh is it a well-worn path no but there there's evidence of of something there um that's do you see any evidence of any of any erosion coming down that water no coming down that path no I think it's
long short currents okay so it's just happens to be that in that location okay unfortunately yeah and and you look at the picture that the abutter sent there's a nice Sandy Beach there um and so uh and and it's and it's very stable
the rest of the way to the east um y there is a nice Sandy Beach but you u in the narrative you say that you don't believe that that bank is a sediment source for that beach I mean um something is we don't have a project so really matter
but not being a coastal engineer um no we're not doing that given that there's very little beach in the in the neighborhood uh it's just in that little area where there is uh there is a little as with everywhere Up and Down the River there
is a Sandy area between the back of the um the pton and the and the toe of the slope um but yeah okay so given how small that little Sandy Beach area is there I would have
to agree with Elise about making that L the bottom part of this thing uh seasonally removable to keep it off that beach um if we don't know when you know the the tide is Flowing enough to to cause any kind of problem so on that photograph on the right side you we have
the the stairway that we approved I don't know a year or two ago that's a and then there's a small about 10 or 12 feet sliver of property in between the two properties and then this one's only about three you said three feet off the
property line right right okay just I get the point that they're saying that you know this is it feels like it's it's in a large area we're we're we're constricting all of these things into a small Zone and if that person once stares then we're really going to but if
you look at the vegetative cover that's in this on the bank the only bare spot is is right there where it's torn I me I did like you can actually see sort of a pathway um you almost could walk you can almost walk and I decided against that I did
too um so yeah it's a hard balance but it does there is a sense of this that it feels like we're we're jamming a lot of structure into a small and the neighbor chose their location because it's the the lowest portion of the bank on their there pre-existing dugin set of Stairway
there so um okay well I'm I'm sure whoever buys this property it's going to be for sale right I mean if they're going to have the money for that I think they'll make sure that the you know if there's any erosion that'll be taken care of uh down the
road I'm sure they're going to be good stewards and good neighbors uh just like the uh the abutter did a nice job and stabilized their little erosion problem they had there even though the contractor left all the wooden Stakes all over the beach but um other than
that it was a nice job and I'm sure sure these people here you got to give people a chance you know you don't it's sure they're going to do the right thing yep okay um you mentioned this there some sapling trees have to be
removed you know um what are we talking about here in terms of oh there's Jen I think she's yeah Jen's on for the mitigation and she can okay yeah the rest of my questions are about the mitigation anyway so I just have one about the stairs the composite
decking what it I just want to make sure we Define what the composite decking is so that's the uh PVC decking yeah because we're not big
on plastic so any chance it could be aluminum on another project a few months ago I think I asked the question it was about a deck and uh and I thought I thought your only concern was when it was in the water
water yeah bank but so here's a hair splitter could the part that that that's remove that's the seasonal part be aluminum um it's a smaller I'm going to suggest that in that it's it'll be the
lightest and uh and it it will be more durable to being unbolted and rebolt it in the spring so better buy it soon yeah yeah well well won't exist do she get yeah yeah yeah it's going to get so all
right all right hang on now we can go Jen go ahead okay Jen yes you're muted wait you're muted there we go yep for the record Jen Crawford Crawford
Land Management um in terms of um I just wanted to say well you know what it doesn't matter you guys have we've we've gone through that already it's fine um but yes the bank is very well vegetated there as well as that 50ft buffer um honestly I I was
struggling as we were out there um to find ways to improve it uh but we we did there there was really only a a small area around 800 square feet at the top of the Coastal Bank partially um maybe
about 10 15 ft down down the bank and then a little bit up into that buffer zone um where we we did observe a concentration a very small concentration of shrub honeysuckle um some Vine species um but I I think that we would
term an intervention like this in terms of mitigation as a early detection rapid response um there's everything else on the bank honestly it looks it looks great um there's no um real active signs of erosion I think what um from my
observations at least the description that that David gave to you guys um seems spoton um I was looking for more because we love doing fiber rules but there there really isn't much um so in terms of the mitigation we we are
proposing to Simply um carry out that early detection rapid response for that that isolated area where we are starting to see some of those invasive species take hold um we would remove them and replant uh we'd like to add to the
already um wellestablished Maritime shrand uh community that is growing on that Coastal Bank um we think that in this sheltered location that cthra would actually do really well here um along with the uh black choke Berry that we've
proposed um in the Upland buffer we've only proposed understory shrubs for that small section on the top but it's really because there's a very large black cherry tree there um and I think that trying to interplant shrubs under it is
not um going to be overall helpful I think that reestablishing those native Ground Covers underneath it within its root Zone will be um much better suited for both the health of what we're planting as well as for the um existing
cherry tree and that that really concludes um our portion of this project is just um that that piece of it so right thank you all right Janet you had
questions right so um I was had asked the question about there or some some tree removal is mentioned um for the construction of the stairs do you have any details about it says saplings but how many or I unfortunately I do not have that
information um at my fingertips at the moment I do recall that there um were one or two small Oaks I believe on the right side as you're going looking down the bank um but we can definitely get that information um I know that there
was nothing significant because I reviewed the location that Dave had uh staked in the field and it seemed very um I would have chosen the exact same path if if they had asked me to do it it it was the path of least resistance the least amount of
um any sort of vegetative disturbance um there really there's a few things in terms of ground cover um that would be on on that path but um it's all very it makes logical sense when you're on site
no it definitely does um just trying to understand the uh we can get your vegetation removal yeah um to make sure that's all some annotated um some annotated photos that show the path down and then um kind of point so to speak
because some of the smaller stuff is not shown on the survey it's it's too small to really survey but I think that would be the clearest way to provide that that would be helpful that would be very helpful okay um perfect okay um I was just thinking of
something the spacing on the steps we were talking about yeah so that's 3/4 one inch it has one inch he has one inch so I mean that's great and everything but everybody argues about the width well you trip on it wide slippers get stuck in them and you actually you're
wide at one inch it is a little wide we're good with that more light for the plants but well we'll we'll get a count on anything over an inch that's got to come out oh no I'm talkinging on theing on the steps you're at one in which is a
lot I'm sorry yeah we're sing stairs we're all over the place I left them at home um oh the spacing on the planks okay you said it's an inch and usually we ask three4 of an inch we're very happy with an inch another another causes a problem
with getting building permits then we should 30 years ago we used to tell the commission it can't be more than a half an inch because women would get their high heels stuck in it exactly yeah we've come a long way right yeah yeah well we don't want high heels falling
through or little Chihuahuas just check yeah if you just check that if you want to reduce it to 3/4 I think we're good with that yeah I think it could be 3/4 but Jen I remembered now the question I wanted to ask you so what is the plan for planting under the stairway to is there anything
going to go under there or just leave it as it is or I think the best thing that we can do um depending on how um how elevated it it is with the substructure underneath it um I think the best thing that we could do there would be to put
Pennsylvania sge and Des shamsia um and if we can get a little bit of that established around the edges I think that that would uh be beneficial so we can add a notor plan for that okay okay all right that's it thank you okay Cheryl do you have anything okay I had a
feeling okay Paul anything no okay go ahead sorry one last note so um Jen as I was I was down at the bottom looking at this at the site there further down the beach area there is a large tree that has fallen off the Coastal Bank and is
blocking the beach path and it's partly into the water I don't know who I can't tell whether it's on this property or not but if somebody could just take a look at that and see whether it can be removed that would be great yep thank
you okay so we have a few things um you'll have to put in and that you're putting the sge under the stairs we need sort of an idea of the trees the saplings or small trees that are coming out um we've said that we'd
like to see the bottom piece of uh Stairway to be seasonal and aluminum um and you're going to check on the spacing of the steps
um I don't have anything else down so it's not a whole lot you're before zba on the 13th of March maybe we could meet one more time after that and then go over it and then
I think would be pretty close to an order okay so that would be March 26th okay if that works yep that works for me okay yep absolutely all right so I move that we
continue parcel h13 Captain n's way to March 26 2025 second okay Paul hi Janet hi Elise I Eric I Cheryl I and I say I thank you
all right so we'll see you on the 26th thank you thank you all right Paul the next okay thank you um 76 marshview Road Mary hope and robit N
henston map 8C parcel s72 the EP number SC10 3721 project is construction of an addition and a deck within the footprint of an existing deck all construction within the buffer zone to a Coastal Bank David Clark again Clark engineering
on behalf of the health and Ste uh they've been at this for three or four years oh I just he when I raised my hand he he'll put it up on the screen oh you want the pointer again or no I'm sure I'm nice one well it's with strings
attached yeah so uh [Music] after a couple of Architects and uh number of Renditions uh they've really scaled the project down to just what they barely need to make this a yearr
round home uh so it's a small addition over the existing deck on the water side of the house and uh uh they'll remove the entire deck build the addition and and replace just a portion of uh what was there so there's actually a a
decrease of 85 square ft in the no disturb Zone uh it's a tough property to redevelop uh given that the the Coastal Bank is just a few feet away from the house um but it's it's a Coastal Bank
that uh is 180 degrees away from the direction of flooding so uh it it's not really subject to any wave action but again it's it's a vertical buffer to to flood waters and uh given the minimal amount of construction that's required
uh we don't feel there'll be any disturbance to the bank um all the disturb all the areas disturbed by construction equipment uh will be uh just loomed and seated with a native Fescue when they're done this does have to go to zoning
board of appeals I don't know if they have a date yet they just a minute no no date yet yeah as of yesterday okay anybody want to start questions
comments it wasn't sted oh no yeah we would have put paint marks on the deck and we yeah because it's a decree it's in the deck yeah no but in the existing deck so yeah yeah it made it hard I noticed that but I
figured it was because the existing deck is where it's going um yeah but I was trying to I was looking for the the the the Coastal Bank um we can have that done um yeah I'm also curious about how far this is from the edge of the salt
marsh it looked like about 30 feet 40t at most probably yeah yeah that got me thinking to why they're not planning if they're doing this not planning on removing the Cesspool upgrading that
there's just um probably money yeah yeah yeah at this point they there is no plan to to replace there's no plans to upgrade the septic system um they're hoping close yeah maybe the town will get there first going yeah you never
know maybe the town will get there select board did have a big meeting on the next phase so on Monday or Tuesday uh Monday um so hopefully uh we'll see that at town meeting shortly and uh it was Game buses the first few years and
then kind of tapered off to nothing yeah yeah um it's act for don't don't stake the Coastal Bank for my I won't be here next time won't get there to see it it's okay I was just curious because it's so
it's basically on the bank right it isless you're doing it for free for the applicant yeah don't don't don't spend money need this L um and there's gravel going under the
new deck I think you said yeah okay and because it's not going to get any light back there there's not going to be any way to grow anything under there so just finish it off with gravel and what is the deck
thing I don't it wasn't specified on the plans that's why I don't recall it okay shall I ask about the shower do you know if it's permitted that's the theme of the day Dave see I didn't ask I didn't know we
were in the permit we're not that's why we ask only because it's in the oh yeah I don't know anything about the show it was there when we did our survey uh three years ago uh as I
recall we couldn't find anything there were no permits that Crystal could find so and how long is the house been there the house has been there probably since the 60s 1961 there's a good chance theyve had a rinse station as we like to call them
now for a really long time yeah well you have a decrease anyway right we have 85 sare foot well the showers probably not is about you know yeah so it's probably not going to matter because they're they're obviously they're not the type that's going to water so I mean putting mitigation
plants I mean it's a nice Cape guard lawn and you know I mean that I just can't see it I wouldn't change anything there no the second generation owners of this property so been there there a while well yeah I appreciate they're not really changing anything yeah right fine
the way it is already got stuff and I think actually it might be an improvement over what the deck that's right there now with you know getting some new stuff so okay
so um doesn't sound like anybody had anything oh I was thinking back going I don't don't give us some give us some time we'll come up with something yeah well you'll be gone well we all drove by
that house across the street it's now so obvious that you look at this and you're like oh that's really nice house across the street how big that yeah every time we go to one of these properties see something that we visited previously it's like wow all we ever see is the
footprint so I think we can go to an order but the problem is you're not before you have to go to zba zba yet um not filed they not is that no they haven't even filed okay which makes it
harder I think they're out to May yeah so we can uh let's push this off to the first meeting in may would' be then we'd have a better idea where we're at that sounds perfect so that would be May 7th um so we have a motion
okay find my way back to the property I move that we continue 76 Marsh View Road to May 7th 2025 for an order of conditions second Paul I Janet
I Elise I Eric I cherl I and I say I thank you so the next one Paul please thank you madam chair next on the agenda is uh 186 Strong Island Road the applicants of David and Judith uh Doo
I butcher these names map 13m parcel 48 the EP number SC10 3724 construction of an 8 by 18 foot swimming pool and expansion of a existing patio seasonal roll out boardwalk and seasonal access steps installation mitigation plantings and
invasive plant management and native plant restoration hi Teresa hi good afternoon again Teresa spr with blue flax design here on behalf of David and Judy Ado who are in the audience um and attending here in person um so um as Paul just
pointed out this project um is um in regard to the construction of an 18 by8 swimming pool with the expansion of an existing patio which is currently under the deck um relocating an existing path um adding a removable seasonal boardwalk
and um doing some invasive species management and mitigation planting um I think many of you are familiar with this project I know the Doos were before you I think about a year ago for um a proposed redesign of the existing deck um that work is underway and has mostly
been completed um at this point um so we are here before you to add um some additional work to that um resource areas on the site include um land subject to Coastal storm Flowage we have a velocity Zone elevation 13 and an AE
Zone elevation 11 um the property is also within the Pleasant Bay AC um there is a coastal Dune um located on the site and of course all Associated buffer zones to the coastal Dune um the Lots developed with a single family home
decks pstone uh drive and parking area on the western side of the house the majority of the properties covered with Cape Cod lawn um and some sparse ornamental vegetation um and the co top of coastal Dune is densely vegetated with invasive species about 70% um
invasive species cover um um other existing conditions on the site um as far as vegetation is concerned um there is um invasive species include Asiatic Bittersweet shrub honeysuckle um as well as native
species including Virginia Rose seide Golden Rod and American Beach Grass um other uh plants on site include Eastern red cedar which are in varying um states of Health American holly as well as some invasive Japanese black pine um some U
um as well as some rendin um hydrangea lavender Etc um as far as the um plan for the swimming pool we've submitted a plan showing the um the swimming pool area that proposed swimming pool area there
is a minor um uh redesign of the garage within the existing footprint that's located mainly mostly outside of the 100 foot buffer zone um there's just a small portion of that that's located with within the buffer zone so the main focus of this is expanding the patio that's
located under the um existing deck out into an area that's currently um lawn and um garden beds and then um mitigating for that with um with invasive species Management in the coastal Dune removal of some existing
lawn um creating a smaller access area to the um Coastal Beach and planting out an area of lawn um along the west side um of the property as well as along the east side of the property so the total
um change in coverage is um 1,64 square feet we've included a coverage calculations table on our plan um the proposed net change within the 0 to 50 foot buffer zone is related to the roll out Boardwalk um and the proposed existing
step down to the beach um on the western side of the property the Northwestern side of the property um the total um change in area for the um Hardscape pool Etc will be the total net change is 963 Square ft so we have a
1,64 foot increase overall within the 50 within the 0 to 50 and the 50 to 100t buffer with that we're proposing mitigation um 3,396 square fet of mitigation um 2,448 squ ft of invasive plant
management and the currently a vegetated area within the 50 Foot buffer directly abing the coastal Dune um an additional 283 square foot area along the Eastern side of the property and um uh mitigation area with
the removal of existing lawn on a of 665 Square fet on the Northwestern Corner um of the property um one of the portions of this project is we are proposing there the property owners currently have two accessways to the beach there's a
foot path that leads through the coastal Dune on the Eastern side of the property and then there's an existing wide open area on the west side of the property they have been doing um Beach nourishment that they've been doing in conjunction with the Conservation Commission and restoration of dune grass
in the coastal Dune and that area on the western side of the property has been used to access um for sand nourishment in the coastal Dune area um we are proposing to plant out that area of pathway which is very uneven on the Eastern side shift that Eastern Side
Access a little bit closer to the Eastern property line and we are proposing some rollout boardwalk in that area to provide um an even surface um we also feel that this helps maintain access to one pathway so there's no confusion about walking through the
coastal Dune planting that area around that pathway densely um we are proposing to leave that western side pathway open for that sand nourishment access with a seasonal step to get down um it's quite steep when you're stepping down from that area we are making it a lot smaller
than it's currently um than it's currently um existing on site by planting out that area of lawn and really narrowing that path but that does allow access for a small um walk behind skid steer to get down to provide due nourishment um in the case that that's
necessary we are proposing to remove one Eastern red cedar which was flagged at the field it's directly at the northwest corner of the patio um it would be within the footprint of the patio EXP expansion for the swimming pool um and we are proposing to plant three
additional Eastern red Cedars as well as two service Berry trees along the um Eastern property line and a cedar within uh on the northwest portion of the property um all total we are planting um
with those trees 414 shrubs um grasses um perennials and wild flowers all of the planting um within the project area within the 100 foot buffer zone is to be native um even the areas that we're showing as garden beds 276 square feet of garden beds located directly around
the patio um will be native plant species as well um species that we're proposing to plant um to restore that Dune area include Beach Plum um black choke Berry um northern Bush honeysuckle fragrant sumac um Bay Berry and Virginia
rose with some additional sweet Fern and um American cranberry Bush located in some of the other areas throughout as well as little blue stem um Prairie drop seed love uh purple love grass switch grass um swamp milked New England Aster
wild blue indigo and um coreopsis um I think I have covered everything um so I'm happy to take questions at this point if I've forgotten anything I will elaborate on that through the question process thanks
good thank you uh anybody want to start go ahead Eric yeah what is the uh percentage um of U impervious on the 50 to the 100 the total coverage of impervious
surface in the 50 to 100 are you within 35% um let me I'll have to calculate that that was one of the things I had down to ask for okay we need to know what percentage of that outer Aura is covered
okay it's very un usual that we would go it has to be at 35% otherwise we'd have riots at the doorstep from other applicants that uh had to do with 35% understood okay I will get that coverage calculation for
you I did not do the percent coverage we just did the um existing and proposed okay for the coverage Cals table the the other question I had was um I guess I mean putting the other walkway over there but so the both so the other area
is for Beach nourishment you so you're not allowed to go through the town the town landing I've seen the I always see the equipment through town landing to do Beach nourishment so I have not been part of the beach nourishment portion of this um the Doos may be able to answer
that but my understanding from them is that they are accessing that area through the driveway across the lawn and coming out on that western side and that's how they're doing the beach nourishment and for little probably for little jobs if it's a ma major disaster that probably the town just does the let's I guess wouldn't you think they could go
from the parking lot I would think you should be able to go through the parking lot it iser from their property I was going to say yes if you if you want to speak you have to stand up sir I I think it is quite steep coming down from the um the landing there yeah yeah makes
sense for small jobs I am Dave Doo uh owner at 186 Island we've done Bert Beach nourishment twice since uh We've owned the property and both times we we've accessed uh the beach on the northwest corner uh as Teresa was
explaining two reasons um the the town nourishes its Landing from the parking lot with a extended arm backo they don't actually drive down it's very Steep and they're they're just pouring sand off
the end of thing and the other um reason is the towns typically beat us to the punch they're getting their nourishment done faster than we can um so I've been in contact with Ted both times we've done it um and we tried to coordinate
but uh uh those guys bring in like 10 or 12 dump trucks and just push it over the edge and we have not wanted to disturb anything they do when we get a chance to do our own right makesense we've been going off the lawn we have less of a drop so you're still leaving enough
withd to get a small skid steer that hauls half a quarter yard at a time back there yeah we we've uh put plywood on the lawn and brought a dump truck and then a bobcat moves it got it I'm all I'm past that now that's excellent thank
you now this if you if you put two steps that you're proposing to put in removable steps correct okay they're meant to be removable they are not meant to be permanent okay that's how the machine would be that it's currently a a well-worn path and the public uses it as
well to get get up to their cars in the parking lot and so we're trying to control it a little bit I have two other things and I'm I'm done and I'll pass it on um the uh this roll out um yep I I is
anybody else have this roll out along the beach we I'm not sure along this beach we have used it quite often um it's seasonal it's rolled out it's in 4ot lengths um it's simply tacked to the ground and then you take it at the end of the season roll it up store it in
your basement or shed or whatever so um it's actually um it does provide a nice even surface for people to walk across it really does direct foot traffic through the Dune and it's very easy to take in and take out seasonally I mean the current path that's there is just
beautiful I mean it's it's a nice little Dune like the old days I mean you could fall down on your head and still be safe um yep I I'm I don't know I'm a little I don't know what the uh what the legalities are or what about these
wheelchair accessible the Eastern path yes does it make it wheelchair accessible to use those kind of M I mean it's not ADA Compliant um but it does allow more stable for people who have accessibility issues to get over it so you're not kind
of sinking in the stand and teetering it just provides a level even surface to get over and again the idea of it is to be seasonal so that you can move it in and out um as necessary so i' I've seen them two different ways one is like a material that you roll and then the other is sort
of slatted this would be a slatted one so the material yeah the material Mobi mats are used more in um um like in town settings where you need a wider area and that is ADA Compliant we oyster Beach yes so um I think that's overkill for
this yeah that I think that's too much for this area I don't think it's necessary I think um the seasonal um slatted Boardwalk or comp correct W wooden slatted the composite gets to be quite heavy it makes it difficult to move yeah my only concern is if we start
allowing this then you're going to start seeing them all the way down the the beach I mean is it private property there is it it's private it's posted private it's posted all the way to the edge of the no if it's private it's private the the last question I had now this this proposed mitigation on the
Eastern side MH is this is this is mitigation it is mitigation yeah coming up the Sun like that um I've never agree I never like that idea I think really your mitigation you don't have a poter is it
for rent yeah that's how we're making our money these days oh this is nice it doesn't reach it and you I can if I don't have oh your dots was down here
somewhere your dot is like at the ceiling yeah it was there Flor it's on the floor yes y there it is push that top button it doesn't you know work oh there you are I see it oh okay
there it is I think that this area here would be the logical area to put the rest of the mitigation versus up there I mean it doesn't really it doesn't really provide anything up here the side it's almost like you're running out of area
and you're looking for places to put it but but right here in this cubby hole would be more logical for that mitigation I in my opinion I think we we're actually at um at at three times the mitigation that's required so you don't have to so we don't have to need
to replace trees so we do and we also um the trees also play a role in providing some additional screening on that side you see there's a hedge um and it's shown very clearly along the western property line to block out the um the uh
the the parking lot to provide some screening from the parking lot and we're planting additionally right down right to the top of the Dune on that side one of the reasons is to provide some additional screening and the second as Mr Doo pointed out is that people um
walk up their pathway and cut across their lawn to the parking lot because it is less steep um and so the idea is to just discourage that and make it clear that it's not open to the public to come in and walk across that toe booth there
toe Booth yeah yeah it's pretty hard for anything to grow in that area I mean the wind and the Salt Air it's intense wind but the seeders do seem to be doing I mean the Cedars that are existing out there are in you know they're they're in varying states of Health but they're in reasonably good health I think if we
plant Cedars at a smaller size we'll be able to get some Cedars established um in that area and certainly along the Eastern property line they'll be a little bit more protected because they're behind that Dune area I think we'll be able to um successfully get the
um vegetation established in that area well thank you I'm I'm quick question I love that it's staked except that it's staked all the way into the water so today so we've got it out on across the beach as well that there's staks out there oh you take down
the steak there's two staks in the water I assume that's from y'all by well the spru and Engineering is the engineering firm on this and they did the staking I did go out to view the stakes prior impressive that it's like to the high tide let M line or stuff but definitely
we can do that I have to be honest I did not walk out to the beach I viewed the stakes for the swimming pool I viewed the stakes at the top of the Dune um I viewed the stakes for the 50ft and 100 foot buffer lines but I didn't go out onto the beach I did not think that they would be staking the they very thorough
water and some of them are blown over you guys are in a really windy spot today and so some of the ones for the pool are they're all in the right places they're all just blown over I'm sure you know I'm sure too when they did the staking the ground was frozen solid yeah they have fallen over y but maybe pull
the ones out of the ocean okay we can absolutely do that yes anybody go ahead Janet so I have a couple of questions but they all key off of um the delineation of the flood plane so Eric
can you pass the do you have the pointer still the top button okay yeah we're all excited now A little it's confusing to me and maybe this is a question for the engineers um it definitely would be a question for okay well put it out there maybe but ask and
I will get that answer for you okay so as I look at the there it is okay as I look at these Contours coming up the Dune up up up up up and you get to the top of the Dune which is elevation 11 yep and then they start dropping down 98 yes right here
you have the ve zone line which is elevation 13 right and it doesn't make any sense cuz these elevations are dropping as you come down to the property so why the ve Zone would be here is is strange to me I will get an answer for you on that okay
um so so that's part of the issue that I have um you have you have you're asking for benches and different structure pieces out in the ve Zone and to me that's a hard no um seasonal um just
meant to be seasonal resting spot for yeah but as we've just heard you know we get we get we get storms in the summer too so I just think anything out there is anything in the ve zone is generally um okay not not not a good idea but the rest of it is in the the a
Zone um and that puts us with once again we have a lot of of Hardscape patio and and impermeable pool in the in the azone um and I just don't see how you
can formulate an argument that says that you meet the performance standards for the flood plane when you are interfering and we don't have the exact figure but a substantial amount of that outer Ora that's all in the azone um is now going to be impermeable so how you're not
having an adverse effect on the ability of the land to absorb floodwater is beyond me so I think that um we worked very carefully and for a long time on this knowing that this is also going to zba um for review on March 13th to design
this in a way that did not require um additional fill that would then um that would cause an issue from both the conservation perspective and zba perspective um so it is true that there we are proposing additional structure within the um AE flood zone um I don't
believe that there's any um concern about velocity as far as deflecting wave energy Etc so you're thinking about Rising flood water and um and how that's going to be absorbed right as long as you're as long as you're it's not entirely clear to me that there's no retaining walls other than what's
existing there on the other side of the pool there is so there is a low have a diversionary effect on the yeah the existing retaining wall is there um there is a low the pool will be elevated slightly above grade um so that there
will be uh a retaining wall I'm um I hate to call it just a retaining wall but it's going to support the edge of the patio and the swimming pool um the idea again was to design this in a way that did not um require fill as you know you come out of that well if you've been
to the site you come out of that existing patio there's an artificial BM that's been built up that's currently like a garden bed um so that will go away um and then this pool would come out into what's currently um that garden bed and Lawn area and it really does not
extend much beyond that um garden bed area um so I think as far as the ability to um it's a fairly small structure overall um I think that the ability of the surrounding area to absor absorb flood water is not being shifted there's
no additional grading there's no additional fill happening in this area there's additional vegetation being planted it's difficult because the performance standards for the flood zone there's no mitigation option really you need it or you don't correct exactly um
yes but um I don't believe that this is going to have any additional adverse impact on how do you get to that with all the patio area that you're proposing I think the surrounding area is adequate and the vegetation is adequate to absorb flood water and I don't think it's going to displace flood water and send it out
into other areas okay well we may agree to disagree um do you want to let Ted can I oh yeah Ted's here could you are you here to speak nment issue let me put it that
way I was streaming but I wasn't really paying attention and I heard references to the town and nourishment and that's kind of when I walked away yeah I don't know if there were questions well we were asking part of it was we were because they have a path for nourish on
their property that they say it's for nourish to provide nourishment to the beach which so it's I I not even finding any orders recently for this property from us so I'm confused about that too I well
we've been nourishing at the Strong Island Landing for many years almost Ann at times pardon me does that include this property technically our permit does have modest encroachment on either side
but not the entire length right prior to the current ownership we worked with the previous owners a number of times of you know doing nourishment at the same time that the town was doing nourishment and the current owners you know likewise um
I don't know the permit status for that component I believe that they were you know an ongoing condition from the previous owner but I I can't swear to that but I believe the previous owner definitely did have some permits and I
believe we've chatted about it and have likewise right um okay oh just you you have to come up to the mic can't talk if you yeah sorry so
um so think what the Doos were saying was that the permit was renewed and they've sort of inherited the permit with the previous owner and they've continued to do the beach nourishment through that right and that Crystal has that permit Crystal any chance you
know I know you're not probably at your desk but in case maybe she is I can see how important that is because I oh when I was in the business landscape I had customers that almost
every year would have to replenish their their bank and some of them we did it by wheelbarrow um so I can see why how this could be important if it's a continuous problem where they're doing it every year or every other year oh no I get it
I just wanted make sure it's per I'm not finding any permits in in all the things that the minutes that I looked at Crystal are you buying chance there or Catherine Catherine's not here today oh not I'll speculate that it's an ongoing
condition in the previous permit okay and i' I've done as far back as 2020 and I haven't found any orders for the property so we've been doing it for 20 years so so it's something when Teresa and I'm not finding when you mentioned
for the patios and things I'm not even finding there is a recent order of conditions for the deck um and I think it's within a year I have found it um so they have recently um and they also had zba permit permission for the deck and
conservation they filed a request for determination of applicability they got a positive determination and filed a notice of intent okay I'll go back and look again my spreadsheets not as good as I had hoped and I double checked I we've looked at three
different people's things and we're not finding it so I'll look again I'll go through them all Teresa can I take you back to the proposed patio Edge yes is that is that
just rewarding for a retaining wall so it's it is going to have some retaining function it's going to retain the patio um you look at the elevations and I apologize because I just realized I need a magnifying glass to read the spot grades on this plan um and I will get a
blown up copy but you can see that the patio is at El 11.5 and we're calling bottom of wall B bottom of patio at 10 so it's about a foot and a half yep so it's it's about a foot and a half that this extends out um that will
be above the existing grade um which is yes would you be opposed to calling it a foot and a half retaining wall instead of a patio Edge no I mean I don't think it's yeah I don't maybe giving the height height y would be very good on so
okay yeah we can do that normally we just show bottom of wall and top and then 11.5 and 10 so it's a foot and a half but we can show that thank you just by eyeballing it you're close on the 35% just by all but you need we
I'll get that exact Cal for you yes CU you've got the house and lots of other things that are part of that 35% so there's the existing deck which is shown you can see the posts for the existing deck um outlined and that was
the approved deck and that was to replace um a deck that was had a they're just basically um it was sort of round um and they were just kind of squaring it off basically um the existing deck so I don't believe the square footage of the deck changed
significantly and then there's existing um Hardscape underneath the deck um so that's existing um and then this is in addition to that there's an existing Rin station there's an existing retaining wall we're just kind of bringing all of that in
together um into that area where is the Rin station the Rin station is on the west I mean I'm sorry on the east side of the house oh is it next to the AC units yes correct okay yep and that was obviously permitted
yes how about the existing shed um I don't have any information about the existing shed I believe it was there when the Doos purchased the property so I it was it was in it was existing when they purchased the property in 2021 oh
okay um so we do have the beach nourishment permit um that was initially um that was initially issued to John Gregorian who was the previous property owner we can get copies of this and send that
to you do you have a date on that um I don't the initial public hearing was in 2001 so I that's why I haven't found it yet back to um to Ted's note that it's been 20 over 20 years from Crystal oh this oh I'm sorry
so this email is from Crystal who sent this to the okay okay just thank you so in all likelihood it's an it's an ongoing condition that will I'm sure with the property it's just as soon as I heard Beach nourishment I thought we got another bang on the window so don't talk unless
you're talking I'm they're relaying information they're relaying information to me and I'm sharing it with you through the microphone okay anything else anybody go ahead Janet um if we're going to start putting together a list of things for the next one M the thing I
noticed that there's no um discussion of performance standards in the in the Land Management plan I didn't see it and um so in Our Land Management plan we discussed the performance standards
starting on page 11 all right hang on if I'm looking in the wrong place yeah um me too so we discussed the performance standards related to both the Massachusetts Wetlands protection act and the Chad and wetlands
regulations um on pages 11 right through um oh okay there it is y okay through 15 but I can certainly put that in more of a narrative no no no as long as I know where to go then then that's fine yep
um and of course there was a inconsistency I think in the in the calculation of the coverage between the chart that was in the noi and the mitigation plan okay I'll just rattle off what I have written down okay um the
mitigation plans says an increase of 101 Square ft in the ndz that's the roll out walkway I'm assuming and the benches correct and the benches but the coverage chart says um increase of 176 square feet oh so don't know which
one's right coverage calculations on my plan say 101 I think I'm looking at the chart in the oh you okay yeah maybe sometimes they don't get updated when yeah the chart checklist that may have not been updated we've made multiple revisions to
this plan and reduced what we that happens all the time then people don't think to go back and change their y that's that's probably what happen I'll change that thank you the Land Management plan says total coverage impermeable coverage of 1687 yeah and the chart says
1,074 okay they're not they're not consistent y okay okay I'll review that the the Land Management plan and the um the landscape mitigation restoration plan are correct yep okay the checklist is off okay all right I will get updated
okay um and then so you I think what I heard was we need to um get the percent coverage um of the total um impervious surface or structure within the U buffer zone as well as um maybe a little bit more in-depth discussion of the um
performance standard for land subject to Coastal storm Flowage for the AE flood zone um so we'll get that we'll do a little bit go a little deeper on the narrative on that bearing in mind what we're talking about so what is the material for the patio so the material
itself hasn't been decided yet and we've gone back and forth between this being permeable patio and then this being um a mortared patio we are showing a channel drain um in the patio and a drainage um
leech pit for draw down or for um for uh water to run off into the leech pit um from the channel drains we put that in there just in case we end up going with something that's um that's more structurally um sound around the
swimming pool this is um an 8 by8 um so basically it meets the definition of plunge pool um it's kind of that in between um I know the Doos are working with um with both um we've met out on site with um plunge pool um soak pools
that are prefab and then they're looking at at also having this um having this maybe custom built so I we're not exactly sure in how it's going to be constructed and I think that will make a difference on what's proposed so right now we are proposing it as impervious
meaning mortared patio with a channel drain that would run off into the leech pit that we're showing in the driveway outside of just inside of the 100 foot buffer okay but we will try I will try and have a better answer for you at the next hearing knowing need Ted anymore I
don't think so thank you for letting us know okay um that's it thank you okay okay so one one more question on that 35% what what that doesn't include the gravel driveway right CU that's uh
that's pervious or is that included in the gravel drive that gravel driveway of the 35% there's a small portion of the gravel driveway in the buffer zone can you see where we show the leech pit yeah it's still coverage it's still coverage so we will count that portion
of the driveway that's within the 100 foot buffer zone now as far as coverage we're just going to cover we're just I'm just going to calculate the the coverage of the footprint so we've got a deck we've got a patio I'm just going to C do the entire footprint for that okay just
wanted to double check um and then that will also include the existing shed right well is the shed in the is the sheded in the the The Sheds it just outside of the 50ft bu y so
usually what's provided is what's existing today MH and what it will be what's proposed correct proposal y similar to the coverage calculations exact based on a percentage on square foot and this is the percentage of square foot only within the 100 foot
buffer zone or within the entire Aura in the outer Aura just in the outer Aura M okay okay yeah we know you only have the roll out for the and the benches for the I just didn't know if we were looking when you're talking about percent coverage what square footage we were looking at
as far as the land coverage so it's just within the outer Aura that's the only one that we have a a limit on 35% okay and your zba on the 13th of March zba is on the 13th of March do you want to come back the 26th the 26 would
be great okay so I move that we continue 186 Strong Island Road to March 26 2025 oh and one final thing I'm sorry to interrupt um is we are still waiting for NSP to respond we have filed with Misa
and um so we need an A so hopefully we will have that by the 26th my apologies to I didn't mean to interrupt okay okay can you second second Paul hi Janet hi Elise I Eric I Cheryl I and I
say I okay thank you thank you so much I'd thank you for coming I'd like to request a bathroom break if all possible sure we can take I can't believe it's o00 yeah we haven't done this in a while
yeah e okay you guys are not muted you're not e e e e e e e
e e Paul you can do the next okay thank you madam chair next on the agenda is the last uh notice of intent 600 Fox Hill Road Jonathan seam is the applicant map 12m parcel 6- P4 EP number SC10 3720
this is a septic upgrade excellent okay I guess Mike are you representing I am can you hear me okay yes perfect yeah so for the record my
name is Mike pental and I'm with JC engineering and uh this project does involve the upgrade of an existing fail septic system for an existing three-bedroom single family home um what we have for an existing uh system now is
a septic tank to a leeching trench that's located approximately within 30 feet of the front of the uh of the house so between the house and the property line sits the existing leeching system the resource areas for the
property uh is a salt marsh a Coastal Bank and land subject to Coastal storm Flowage Zone AE elevation 12 the uh new septic system will comprise of uh keeping the existing tank and putting in
a new uh leeching system that's going to uh comprise two 500 gallon Chambers with stone it's going to be located within the same vicinity uh as the existing leeching trench that's there now um what's there now uh for this for the
existing septic system area is an existing lawn walkway and and pave driveway we're going to keep our system basically under the same uh surface conditions um we are proposing to put uh erosion
control barriers along the north and south side of the work the existing house will act as its own barrier to the salt marsh for the work and um there are no no great changes for the property so we're basically just basically just
replacing everything in kind and keeping everything in the same um elev ation really couldn't move the septic system any farther away from the resource areas unfortunately just because of the site constraints um what we do have is a
setback of 40.4 feet from the Coastal Bank to the closest part of the leeching the proposed leeching and then we have about 79 ft of separation between the new leeching system uh to the salt marsh um so it's a septic upgrade we're not
increasing the flow we're keeping the house as as is existing three-bedroom we did go in front of the Board of Health to seek their approval um they have approved the project and now we're simply in front of the commission to seek your approval so with that I would
take any questions some of it's within the 50 um isn't it correct yep we need a request for variance and on Alternatives analysis for that uh just the bo right T box yeah
it's the Box usually we ask for it your your discretion but I mean it's under ground right it's a t- boox you got to I mean there's no alternative right I exactly I mean I would kind of like form over substance
this time or substance over form as I like to say I it's not going to stop us issuing the order I just figured for for paper work we ought to have it good question but I think your discretion but I think you could probably he can send it in if they want um we're going to
have to Grant you a variance anyway um so it just if we could have a letter that requests that we Grant the variance it's not going to stop this process um or hold anything up it's just I think it would be good to have since we usually
ask for it we let me ask you this we we did request a variance for the setback from deling to the Coastal Bank on our site plan if you read the uh General note number 23 will that suffice
no no because we're reing it from no I that's that's a note so no okay so we'll just ISS we'll just provide you with it can be quick and simple just take whatever you've got in 21 and yeah a
very yep so just put that into a letter that'd be great sure sure no problem anybody have anything I mean definitely are
constrained I don't see an issue so I think we could go to an order we only have one order for next week so we could probably issue it March 5th if you want
sure that's fine okay what's the process which to request what's the process in which to request the order is it another meeting with you folks well we write the we'll write the order before next week and on Tuesday the order will be sent to you for your
review and then Wednesday if you have any comments about it you can appear and comment um and if any of the Commissioners want to change anything that's in the order from you know that hasn't been changed previously
we would do that and we'd issue it and then Crystal will let you know when the order's ready in the uh office okay is the is it optional for the engineer to attend the meeting or is it mandatory no it's optional and if you
had any requests for any changes you could put them into an email okay great okay so then great right thank you so much ready for a motion we're ready for a motion for March 5th for an order I move that we continue 600 Fox Hill
Road to March 5th 2025 for an order of conditions second Paul hi Janet I Elise I Eric I Cheryl I and I say I so next week we will have an order ready thank you perfect thank you appreciate it have
a good day okay you too Paul okay ma'am here thank you um I'll try to make these as brief as I can um there's uh next on the agenda are two certificates of compliance the first one is 40 uh dun Drive the applicants
Richard and Cecilia m b canning map 16a parcel 99-65 number SC10 3370 project was removal of an existing dwelling foundation and replacement with a FEMA compliant Foundation as well as a second story Edition and Associated site
improvements um tinan Bond did um a great job putting the COC uh request together the application is complete um the order was issued in October 2019 um I visited the property the day
before yesterday inspected the whole thing I did look at the mitigation area in back of the house um don't know if any of you guys did but in the war time it just doesn't look like the pictures that they send in when they do the monitor reports and Crawford did send in all their monitoring reports they needed to um so there was one plant that was
broken I sort of set it aside but um they did a pretty good job with this and um uh not to belabor it I would just recommend uh approval with a full coc for this this uh request anybody any comments yeah looks great just thanks to the uh applicant
for such a great complete filing it was everything I wanted to yeah hoped was there and more I think there were okay we could have a motion so I move that we approve the certificate of compliance for 40 Dune Drive second Paul I Janet I
Elise I Eric I Cheryl I and I say I okay the next Paul second one is um a certificate of compliance request for 211 Vineyard Avenue applicant Teresa and Mark Plotkin map 10d parcel 10129 D number se10 3367 the project was
invasive plant management restoration planting and Vista pruning and Hardscape uh in in-kind improvements um uh again this is a a very well together put App application was done very well um there
was an as Bill plan required I I called um uh blue flax and basically we ended up getting um that sent to us day before yesterday it was just sort of the mitigation plan stamped with a you know a current date on it um the I don't know
if you had how you a chance to go out the the plantings look terrific um there was a growing condition for three growing seasons and a the other special edition was a split rail fence which was installed and does delineate the 50 Foot
buffer zone very well the photograph was submitted application is complete um I'd recommend a full cooc for this one as well anybody comments yeah I got a problem with this one um nothing against the homeowner um I hate to sound like a
broken record but I I don't understand who's responsible because the applicant obviously they pay a lot of money to the designer and engineers and everything but so who's responsible to remove the
all the piping that's above ground for the irrigation the heads the the temporary box uh valve box that's in the on the bank and I mean I coming in the driveway on the left is a formal planting of beach of bay B uh Bayberry not Bayberry yeah Bayberry and some
other I don't that has the drip that I don't care about that but in the back it's it's it I mean I don't know whether we should put it in big red bold lettering on these order of conditions but it's just it's just all the time I see this that they leave the so let me
educate me who if when the contractor draws up the uh the agreement with the applicant are they charging the applicant to remove I mean is this in their contract to remove the temporary irrigation I don't understand how this works because a lot of my go to they
don't remove it it's supposed to be temporary can we put something in the COC requiring them to remove it we won't I'd like to revisit the site I I I I just don't I just don't I I I don't know
I I I haven't seen anything that makes me feel good about this that that it's because it's it's hardly ever done no we definitely should we can put that into the orders that that the no COC will be issued until all the temporary I mean it's
just I'm sure that these applicants I mean these homeowners are paying good money and I bet you they're paying for this because it's in the orders it's a contract I I was brought up in business I follow contracts to the te and then when I build a customer the contract has
been complete so obviously someone is not finishing these contracts of these removing this irrigation and what have you uh commissioner hbert I have I hav't I've got the order here in front of me I can't go through the whole thing right now but um you know sometimes there is
no requirement to remove the mitigation so you know when was this one issued uh this one was issued in U 2019 I mean if there's no requirement then I got nothing to say yeah um and uh you know we don't think about it yeah
and we need to add that then let let Paul talk I pointed this out right the day when we were reviewing these um and I mean on the on the flip side these plants wouldn't look as good as they did without irrigation no I agree with that but when you take the irrigation out you
you know then you you see them you did this for a living you see that's a problem I through the I I hear what you're saying but but when you're dealing with indigenous once they're established they're established they they they can live on because if you if you water too much then they get dependent on the water and then when you
stop the watering then they don't do well but once they're established they I mean the place looks great so this plan actually says temporary irrigation will be required for the first two or three growing Seasons while plants established once plants are established irrigation
will be removed okay so that on the plan or in the order it's on their plan it's on the plan that that blue blue flx plan yeah it's probably just standard stuff that they put in there I'm glad they do I mean we put the ERS I mean would you be satisfied if we issued
the COC uh where they condition that the uh irrigation be removed was there was there a follow-up inspection on it yeah I can do that okay I think so I would say based on what you saw how long would you think it would take to
get it out I would say I don't know if they sub it out but probably an irrigation company the pipes are above ground uh I mean we got enough plastic in our systems uh the uh uh probably uh two guys two hours to remove everything you know like I said as you come in the
driveway on the left that's a formal yeah you don't change that I mean it's it's that it's the restoration that's in the back it shouldn't take long okay no I don't have an issue with that it's not we can approve it approve no dog and fight just with the condition specified
are we ready yeah I think we are I move that we approve the certificate of compliance for 211 Vineyard Avenue with the condition that the temporary IR a is removed on a timely
basis second Paul hi Janet hi Elise I Eric I Cheryl I and I say I all right our next um agenda item is an update on violations um we all talked about this
yesterday Paul Katherine Crystal Lis and I uh they provided a spreadsheet of of some of the things that they have been working on uh and it's actually under the violations folder in teams so you can
find it there uh I can't remember what she called it but you'll see it's posted by Catherine so not too many I don't think she's posted anything else um I think what we we decided is what we'd like to see is H this happen once a
month because you know it it takes time for any violation to progress so I sort of asked if we could get an update on properties that they've been working on
recently you know which properties have received certified letters or have been served because if they don't accept the certified letters and they get returned to us after I think two Paul is it two
times yeah then they then they're served but when you're served they just leave something in the doorway of the property and then they're served here exactly so serving is so so sometimes a certified mail just doesn't
get people won't they don't want to pick it up if they see where it's from we don't know on that end exactly but we haven't communicated to them that there's an issue so we have no response we do that twice and then we give it to the deputy sheriff and he for purposes of the law once he leaves it at the
doorstep at your house you're served so yeah um I I have a solution for this I mean uh uh Alise pointed out yesterday that Dennis had yes Dennis had uh recorded some uh enforcement orders uh
looks like they recorded one um that was sort of a serious one and it was result of somebody not responding to the commission's request to an action plan which is laid out in a timeline sheet we could if we don't get a response from
314 Morris or 114 picut we can um try to record these do an enforcement or record it put a timeline with it and then for purposes of conveyance law I would think that the lawyers that would be looking at this down the road would see this and
say to the the buyer hey you got to do something about this that's one way to handle it the other way is fine but I mean that's instead of instead of um uh doing the Fine Thing uh because it sounds to me like it's a hard Chase is
and the town makes money on permitting isn't there any way that you can use carrot sticks and clubs and the carots try to get them to do a um after the fact on some of this stuff you know if they cut a few trees on a bank and doing
after the fact oh you cut the trees down forget about why or you know when you you get into that the people get get defensive and they got a lot of money um so say well now you you know you got to file a notice of 10 or whatever after the fact and we have to do a mid you
know right well yeah so the problem with that is sometimes um what happens is some it's happened uh people will file notice of intent the commission will issue an order of conditions and then they'll appeal it and they'll just drag it out so that's why we went to Restoration orders all
the towns now do restoration orders right enforcement order or a letter we cooperate with us sometimes no enforcement order will you file a restoration order and fix this yes we will and so to pig piggyback on this Paul yesterday afternoon reached out to
like all the conservation agents in on the cape asking how they manage this violations enforcement restoration and serious violations right well and I mean
most smaller violations they answer yeah they they know they don't want that so anyway this is a preface to um Paul is going to go through some of the properties that we have they not me have
been dealing with recently and where they stand the problem is these take a lot of time so they and and they have all the other work that they do for for us so once a month we thought it would be
reasonable to give us a progress report on what's been dealt with if anything's been successful we also will have today a few properties um that can be I think we should officially close out and
accept two or one is a geranium I don't think the second geranium right uh 770 geranium um Mr ka yeah um there was a certificate of compliance That was supposed to be filed and you
know I called him and said you know did you ever file it um I as far I couldn't find it in the system it may have been done I seem to remember doing it the other one 65 geraniums done that could be closed out 107 107 well 107 Tails
Pond I'd like uh Crawford Land Management to give us the most recent update that they can um right to certify that everything's been done with some sort of a uh a caveat on what they're going to do to maintain the mitigation that was
put in I the gentleman who owns the house Mr dun who called me this morning I called him back we left a message so that will be closed out in the near future that's ready to go as far as I know the mitigation has been done we have a uh a uh Crawford sent in a um a
current status plan on November 24th I believe it was last year but just wanted something to update it and make sure it's been certified and then we can sign off on it and um I'm we haven't released any restoration orders so how would you like to do that through a letter or how
do we go about that I think probably we should send a letter to them say I think we need to vote to approve the closing of it and then I would say we'll send them a letter saying that we have we feel that they have
met the restoration that um had been proposed and that this matter is considered closed okay fair enough you know something simple but I think we we should definitely send something and have something on record is sort of
where I'm going with this so having said that Paul if you want to just quickly um yeah 107 and we just talked about um 41 Frost Frost fish Hill was um a violation in the a Road the backyard was cleared
cut through a conservation area for pool installation this has been closed out um the restoration plan was approved on 71023 um we just talked about 65 geranium that's ready to be closed out 77 we just need the certificate of compliance for
the one tree and the set of steers that went down the Coastal Bank that were abandoned all they are is is concrete blocks um 10 Smith Road um that one excuse me for it's on hold it's on hold
yeah um because right we we reviewed images we need to check out um they Katherine couldn't get down on this was a couldn't get in there when they received this violation there were too many trucks and things
and she could not get to the property at all to check it out so it's on hold until all that's done uh 440 cocko Cove is on hold um pending a site visit um we've got a couple of pictures we need to wait till spring and summer when uh the homeowners
uh put the ramp back out that was a potential permit violation for seasonal stairs leading to the beach in the bulkhead 314 cockal Cove a violation letter was sent out on 2 2425 um and we had a discussion with the
homeowners prior to the COC hearing and we mentioned um at the hearing that we would be conducting a site visit on 219 so that is pending process yep 98 Orleans Road everyone knows about that
one um I reached out again today to the owner um to see where we stand with that I'm not sure if he is ill or what is going on but uh we were on the road to getting those plants put in by Phil Cheney um this was a violation for
cutting in back of the house next to a bvw and as far as I knew the plants were going to go in last last year they never went in and so now we're we're coming up on another growing season where they have to be put in we'll follow up with the owner um and we'll you know
violation letter was received uh the one we sent on 1325 to follow up again 58 Chase um was removal of vegetation within the buffer zone planting non-native roses and and uh putting down bark mulch violation letter was sent and
received and was responded to on 12624 um 23 243 Kendrick Road uh violation letter sent and received and responded to on 10 excuse me 10:30 24
and 314 Mor silent Road that's the one we have the sheriff problem with in yeah 114 P 2021 or 2020 yeah five years yeah five years
yeah so that that's an updated list it's been a long afternoon but um we're no it's good you know I I ask Katherine to put these together and to send out you know letters and correspond with people and our approach Eric is always you know
first to try to get people to cooperate as you say and work with them rather than hit them with enforcement orders and fines sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't um I can't think of any others right off the top of my head but if you want an updated version every month then we'll
update this we'll post it for you so you'll have it ahead of time and then right we can answer questions that you have about them in terms of where the status is I think that would be good it's either updated or you know I guess update it and maybe mentioning the addresses every month too on television
might help yeah but if with I was asking not to do that today so yeah so all right thank you thank you very much so our next thing is minutes to approve uh we're going to have to do them separately because I was not at
January 22nd so do anybody have any changes to the minutes on January 22nd I didn't see anything Bob's not here no he looked he didn't have anything no he sent me all his changes
and there weren't any I put them in for him okay then we can have a motion to approve sorry I move that we approve the minutes from January 22nd 2025 second Paul hi Janet hi Elise hi Eric I
Cheryl I and I abstain okay then we have February 5th and any changes to these Bob did not have any just saying both he said they were nice
he gave you an A+ I didn't do them Crystal does them kudos to Crystal yeah she does aiming for that yeah Bob likes it and he wasn't here to say it so I should have said it okay then we can have a motion please I move that we
approve the minutes from February 5th 2025 second okay Paul hi Janet I Elise I Eric I Cheryl I and I say I okay we need one more
motion I move that we adjourn second Paul hi Janet hi Elise hi Eric hi Chris uh Cheryl hi and I say [Music]
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