Heat. Heat. N. Heat. Heat. Good afternoon. This is a hearing of the Chattam Conservation Commission being held on February 11th, 2026 in accordance with the Massachusetts Wetlands Protection Act and the Town of Cadam Wetlands Protection bylaw and
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Indicate that you wish to speak by using the raised hand feature. So, we have a record of a quorum. I will now ask each commissioner to indicate their presence. Vice Chair Paul Johnson, >> present. >> Jet Williams, >> present. >> Elise Gordon, >> present. >> Eric Hilbert, >> present. >> Bob Delcio, >> present.
>> And I'm here. So, we've established that we have a quorum. Is there anyone who would like to make any announcements, comments, or future agenda items for anything other than the properties on the agenda today? I am not seeing anybody online. And
seeing nobody in the audience, we can continue. >> Paul, oh, whoops. Bradford, are there any announcements about any requests for continuances today? Uh yes, there's one uh minor continuence. Uh the discussion
item for possible irrigation requirements. Um Teresa from Blue Flax had requested that go on the agenda uh for this hearing, but she's not able to make it today. Um so she's hoping to continue this to March 11th.
>> Okay. Thank you. At this point, Bradford Bower, Chadam's assistant conservation agent, will now lead us through the agenda. >> All right. First up is an order of conditions for 620 Orleans Road, Sandra
Shapiro, map 12J, parcel 19-10, SC 10-3761. Uh, this project is for Fragmighty's management and was continued from January 14th, 2026. Hi, how are you? >> Good. How are you?
>> Good. >> Did you get the order? >> Yes. >> Yeah. You had wanted us to amend a couple things on um the project narrative and then give a map that actually highlighted the area and we did do that. So, >> yes. And did you receive the order that
we wrote? >> Yes. Yes. >> And do you have any additions, corrections, changes at all? Okay. Commissioners, anything that anybody would like to add or change in the order?
>> Got one small thing. >> Sure. >> On special condition number four, um sec uh the first sentence, uh glyphosate is spelled wrong. It should be glyphosate.
Uh G L Y P H O S A T. Okay, thank you. >> I wouldn't know that that's wrong. >> It's underlined and I went back. >> Yeah, I didn't know why, but I said okay. >> So, it's okay in the uh in the in the uh
the project narrative, but uh it just was misspelled here. That's all. >> Thank you. Anything else? >> No, that's it. Thank you. >> Anybody else? >> All right, then we can have a motion. I move that we close the hearing on 620 Orleans Road and approve the order of
conditions as modified. >> Second. >> Okay. Bob >> I, >> Eric, >> I. >> Paul, >> I. >> Janet, >> hi. >> Elise, >> hi. >> And I say I. >> So, you're all set. Thank you. Thank you very much, >> Mr. Eric. >> Yeah, good to see you. Nice to see a
local contractor in here now and then. >> Okay, Bradford, the next, please. Next up is an order of conditions for 47 Little Beach Road, Monoy Rips LLC, map 16A, parcel H52, SC 10-3737.
Uh this was for uh demolish existing dwelling and construct new dwelling in title 5 subsurface sewage system within land subject to coastal storm flowage. Uh this was continued from July 9th, 2025 and January 14th, 2026.
>> Okay. Is there anybody here for this? Okay. Looks like No. >> Hello, David Clark online. >> Hi, David. I thought I saw you were on here. Okay.
>> Did you look at the order? >> No issues. Yeah, we looked at it. Uh, Blue Flax looked at it and everybody's okay. >> Good. Okay. I do have one comment going forward and this is pertains to this
property but it really is for all applications that are coming in that are for two properties. Um, and we get one plan like for our problem for this one was um,
>> it's hard to describe the mitigation because the mitigation is put together with two properties and we're not writing the order at the same time and so it it does make it a lot harder and I think in the going forward we are going
to require that mitigation and plans come with the even if they're applying together with separate um plans because it makes it so hard if when our conservation agents go out to,
you know, close a a certificate. It's hard to tell if they're not being closed at the same time that what's been done for each property. So, that's just our comment and I figured I'd put it out here because this was a property that
has um or an application that has two properties. Um well, it was two separate applications, but it we have one plan. >> So, but having said that, could we have Oh, yes, Janet. Quick question. So,
where does the figure of 916 square feet of mitigation for this property come from? from what they said. I It's >> hearing. That's how they That's how Blue Flax described it. >> Yeah. >> Okay.
>> Um >> and do any commissioners have anything that they want to change? Add Bob? >> Special condition number 21. >> Okay. >> I want to add fertilizer. Uh no pesticides, fertilizers, or new permanent irrigation may be used or
installed. >> Okay. Okay. >> Nitrogen. >> Okay. Then we can have a motion to approve. Close and approve, please. >> I move that we close the hearing on 47
Little Beach Road and approve the order of conditions as modified. >> Second. >> Bob. >> I. >> Eric. >> Hi, >> Paul. >> Hi, >> Janet. I >> Elise. >> Hi. >> And I say I. You're all set. Thank you, David. >> Welcome.
>> Okay. The next Bradford, please. >> Do you want to read the next two together? >> Yes. >> Okay. Next up is order orders of conditions for 61 L eleph 36-14
SC 10- 3758. Replace old hardscape and add stepping stones. Remove invasive plants. Plant native species. Renovate weedy areas with fine fescue grass seed within buffer zone to salt marsh and within
flood zone. This is continued from January 14th and January 28, 2026. Uh, we're also reading in 63 Elements Lane, Ellen Downing Gold, Ellen Downing Gold Living Trust, map 16 C, parcel
>> 36-14 SE 10- 3759 uh for new plantings within hardscape for a single family home within buffer zone to a salt marsh and within the flood zone. Again, this was also continued from January 14th and January 28th, 2026.
Thank you. >> Um, can I just jump in here for um, Bradford? I'm having a technical issue here. Opening the new version of 61. It says um, I don't have permission to view it. >> Yeah, I'm trying to find which one
>> is it on um, my town gov >> because it's new. Yeah. >> Yeah, we just received it a couple hours ago. >> Yeah. >> Okay. I I'm in it. I hopefully >> Karen's in it. >> I can modify it.
>> Okay, if you're in it, that's in it. >> Okay. >> Um, so yeah. Okay, let's deal with each one individually. 61. Um, did you receive the orders? >> Yes, I did. >> And do you have any modifications? I do
just have one clarification question for special condition number three with the um delineation of the mitigation areas. Um the way that it's worded, it it's like uh delineate the upland edge of the
mitigation area in this scenario where um they're sort of like the garden beds around the property. I just wanted to clarify to see what you guys would like to see in terms of that type of delineation. I know when it's a larger area, it's easy to put boulders or a
fence. And in this scenario, um, usually delineation is it's something so that people won't mow over >> y >> um the beds. Uh, so some use
rocks, you know, small boulders or whatever. Some use um lower fencing. Some use you know that um you know something that's in the ground but sticks you know some >> edging
>> edging. The boulders the boulders can be placed like six feet apart. It's not like it's a whole line of boulders. >> Yeah. No, I understand. It's just that these beds are so small and the area is so small. So if you have a, you know, a three foot wide bed and then a three- foot wide lawn, it doesn't make sense to put boulders in between. But no, we
would put maybe a steel edge as long as it's sticking up so a mower can't go past, you know, can't would somebody would be aware if they're running over it. >> Okay. >> Is really what we think. Okay. Um maybe I guess we should
>> define that more a little bit um for future because people do ask us. >> Anything else? >> Um well, Bob Perry had a question on the patio. uh permeability and the cleaning of it. Um
I I I'm fine with the inspection monthly. I'm sure that the homeowners can do that. I'm not sure if you're able to read what he wrote and understand it. I'm not >> uh Bradford, didn't you add in what Bob asked for? >> Yes. Um I have it up on the screen. I
can read uh kind of the >> Yeah. >> rewarding if you'd like. Um, no. I think as long as Well, yeah, go ahead and read what he asked for because >> Sure. >> I'm not seeing that he's online.
>> This one is uh specifically for the the patio, >> right? Um it would reward the condition to be uh the pvious surfaces of drylaid patios and/or walkways, driveways and
the like as a filter. So that any so like any filter, they must be cleaned periodically to ensure that the previous areas continue to function to allow water to drain and filter and to prevent clogging where sediment can become ground deep into the pavement's grooves.
On a monthly basis, all pvious elements of the dried laid patio and/or walkway or driveway shall be a visually inspected to ensure they are clean of debris, dewaters between storms and fear of sediments, and b cleaned including
blowing, sweeping, andor dry vacuuming to remove any debris that may have accumulated in the previous elements, pervous elements. >> Jesus, that's unbelievable. Ridiculous. in my house. >> I think I think if I may um
>> that's a standard >> his request is that the it be rewarded to be a recommendation. Um so I'll leave >> I have no problem that I'm sure they're going to sweep the little patio >> now and then. >> Yeah. >> Or blow it off. And if the other
commissioners don't mind, it would if it would be okay to forego any hard delineation in the beds. I mean, you'd have to be drunk to to mow that little tiny poster stamp and mow over the the shrubs and the beds. I mean, it's just so tiny. I think it's in this particular
case, it's I don't think it's necessary for my experience. I mean, just cut the bed. If it's cut between the bed and the lawn, they're not going to mow into the bushes. The little tiny lawn and that is
>> okay. How's the rails feel? >> They could do that deep cut on the ed on the edge of the bed. We'll >> do that again. >> That's a delineation. That's a delineation. The only Yeah. It doesn't matter what they do so long as people don't mistake it for >> Yeah. We just want to be sure that it
doesn't get mowed. >> Yep. >> I can also say that I'll be doing the maintenance, you know, three times a year so we can cut the edge, make sure the plantings stay in place, and nothing gets mowed. That's >> fair. That shouldn't be.
Um, okay. Anybody have anything else for 61? >> There's a couple other comments. >> Yeah, I'm seeing something. It says I'm not sure it from the I think it's in special conditions. Special condition
number nine. It's the which says the patio and stepping stones shall be drylaid with a permeable washed aggregate base of 3/4 inch and one quarter inch crush stone to a depth of
approximately 8 in. And it says patio is practical stepping stone base course in the presence of sand base may I don't it says ne be needed. Um, I mean, I took
that I wrote this, um, I took this directly out of the application, so I'm not sure why there's an issue with it. Um, this is exactly what we were told would be happening.
>> So, I think that should be just left the way it is. >> Okay. >> Okay. I'm going to delete. >> Yeah. To the to the specifications of uh what they proposed. Yeah. >> So, um I'm trying to see if there's anything else.
>> Yeah. 11 >> 11 has sand question mark. >> Oh, sand crush or crush stone. >> Yeah, >> sand is fine. >> Sure. >> Okay. Are you doing you in Janet? Oh, you are in. >> There we go. >> Okay.
>> Yeah, I found I got in. >> Okay. We just have to change it to black. >> Yep. because this is not um Okay. Anything else? >> I got a something on. >> Go ahead. >> Special condition number eight.
>> No uh pesticides, fertilizers or permanent irrigent irrigation shall be permitted. >> Okay. >> And then on uh 14 uh >> number eight is special. I'm looking at number eight is
>> no permanent irrigation shall be permitted. >> Why am I saying the applicant shall identify a professional land surveyor? >> Okay. So, no. >> Oh, that's pre-construction. Never mind. >> Okay. >> Eight. Yeah. >> And I don't pesticides fertilizer,
>> but it is. >> Okay. >> And then on >> pesticide system. >> Yeah, >> I'm getting there. See, and on which one? >> Thank you, Janet. Uh, and on 14, fescue saw shall be used due to the wind. And
then I just wanted to add fescue seed will be used for any bare spots. >> Okay, it's better to print to spell out. That's all I >> Thank you. >> Anybody have anything else? And are you okay with those changes?
>> Yes. Thanks. Okay. Then for 61, could we have a motion, please? >> I move that we close the hearing on 61 LFMs Lane and approve the order of conditions as modified. >> Second. >> Bob. >> I. >> Eric.
>> Hi. >> Paul. >> Hi. >> Janet. >> Hi. >> Elise. >> Hi. >> And I say I. Okay. Next one. 63. Um, any modifications to that one?
Um, sorry, just opening it here. >> Or additions. >> No additions. Um, sorry, I'm having a hard time pulling it up, but just with the same language for the mitigation plantings with the edge being acceptable and then
same with the patio. >> Well, we don't spell out what the edging is. So you >> y >> it's up to you to decide what you want to do. >> Understood. Thank you. >> As long as it's edged, that's all we care about. >> Okay. >> Okay. Um, anybody on the commission have anything?
>> I got the same uh items on this one as 61. Uh, >> I just lost it again. Yeah. >> Skew seed. I got >> Yeah, that's in number 11. >> Number eight. >> Number eight. >> Yep. Add pesticide in fertilizer. Thank
you. That's all I hear. >> Okay. >> Are we doing anything with the language on the patio maintenance? >> It's not It's not Let me just It's not the matter of of brushing or blowing the patio itself. It's the joints because
especially if depending on what the material in the joints is, um that material can get really compacted. That's the only permeable part of these patios are the joints. And that's why we're kind of specific about them being wide. But if they get compacted, they
won't the water won't go through anymore. That becomes impervious. So all we're saying is that keep an eye on those joints and sweep them out periodically. Sure. >> To keep the sand from getting hardened in there. >> And that's really what that's all about
because if that happens, then the patio is completely impervious. Mhm. >> So that's we could probably make it a lot clearer and easier to but >> yeah, >> you know, you leave it to somebody to write legal mumbo jumbo and that's what they do.
>> Yep. >> Okay. Um Bob, anything? >> That that was it. >> Oh yeah, that's right. Um anybody else? >> Okay, then we can have a motion, please. I move that we close the hearing on 63
LFitz Lane and approve the order of conditions as modified. >> Second. >> Bob. >> I. >> Eric. >> I. >> Paul. >> Hi. >> Janet. >> I. >> Elise. >> I. >> And I say I. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Bradford. The next please.
>> Next up is an order of conditions for 14 Main Street, Chattam Beach and Tennis Club. Map 16B, parcel 73, SE10- 3757, remove and replace retaining walls within the buffer zone, replace
retaining walls and boardwalk within a coastal dune. Uh, this was continued from January 14th and January 28th, 2026. >> Thank you. Okay. Uh, is anybody here,
>> David? Yep, there you are. Yeah, I'm here. Um, I just want to make sure that the uh natural heritage letter is incorporated into the order. Um, >> oh, okay. Let's make sure it does say that a letter was um from
them was received. >> I can to make it even clearer, I can add it to the list of things that are incorporated by reference in the beginning of the con. >> Oh, okay. >> Yes. Yep. >> Yeah. Because D might pick up on that when they review the order. >> It's listed as a as a supporting
document. >> Yeah. I think he wants it in the in the write up incorporated by reference. >> So that deep you can see it. Anything else? David, >> that's it. >> Okay. Anybody else? Bob, >> I was just going to ask if we could
include a finding about the u the broken uh sand fence and the broken uh metal stakes in the uh dune. >> Yeah. >> That we found. >> I think he just >> I know it's in the special conditions, but
>> Oh, you want in the findings as well? Okay. >> It's It's up to you, but uh >> we can put it in the findings. I don't see the problem with that. Let's see where it is so we can just copy it. >> Yeah, cuz Dave said they're going to take care of it now.
>> Here it is. 19 >> 19. >> It took me a while. >> All right, I'll copy >> We'll copy that into the findings as well. >> Okay. And then on special condition 20, um David said that they could uh plant
some beach grass in that area um after they fill it. >> All right. Okay. >> Well, wait a minute now. That never really finish that area if I remember right. Uh I don't think it was ever
agreed to what we're going to do in that little spot, >> David. I think we were just going to leave it, right? >> Yeah, that's what I assumed. Um, in that it wasn't part of the application and uh um I think that bare spot's been there a
long time. Um but we certainly would agree to to adding supplemental uh beach grass uh once that um Gordon Batten wall is replaced um to enhance that area above
it. Um >> okay. >> Well, still leave it in if they said they would. >> Yeah. I added in beach grass will be planted there. >> Anything else? Anybody?
>> Okay, then we can have a motion, please. >> I move that we close the hearing on 14 Main Street and approve the order of conditions as modified. >> Second. >> Bob, >> I. >> Eric, >> I >> Paul. >> I >> Janet. I >> Elise. >> Hi.
>> And I say I. >> Okay. The next please. >> Next up is a uh amend Oh my gosh. Next up is an amendment to an order of conditions for 552 Shore Road. Uh
Francesco Skeptone and Judith Gibbons. Map 16G parcel 16-T3 SC 10-3750. Uh residential additions and mitigation plantings. amendment is to include the
after the-act tree cutting and vegetation mismanagement within the coastal bank. So, >> thank you. >> Okay, Raul, I see that you're on. So, do you have any modifications or additions to the order?
So I I don't know if there's a new version out, but on the first page um in the summary, the sec the last sentence in the second paragraph, it says um to fulfill this second amendment um this should be corrected to the to be first
amendment. >> It's the second phase. So >> in the summary, >> okay. Okay. Anything else? >> Another comment that we had um at the
first meeting there were some comments from the neighbors regarding fallen trees and soon to fall trees onto the beach. >> Um and then there were subsequent email correspondence with >> um the conservation department that made it into the record. Um the attorney for
the applicant did a title search and he did confirm that the 20 foot right away is within the fees of the applicant. So the applicant is agreeing for the removal of those trees that are within the rightway and I don't know if that should be
something that could be put into the findings um but the applicant is agreeing to removing them >> out of the easement >> the 20 foot way. Yes. >> Okay. Um
All right. >> That's all we have. >> Um we also have an ab butter letter which arrived I well I I received today which you know it's always good to have the abutter
letters when we're discussing it. But I will read it into record. Um, this is from uh a neighbor at Michael Riley at 448 Old Harbor Road. It says, "I am an
abuing neighbor to 448 at 448 Old Harbor Road and writing as a followup to my conditional support dated 121206 requesting removal of dead and overhanging trees blocking the beach. Although I am a Connecticut attorney, I
am writing solely as a private neighbor located two lots north along the same beach. I realize Cape Engineering concluded the pro problematic trees are not on lot 552 but on the adjacent 20 foot right away.
However, that's not the end of the legal analysis. Based on my review of the underlying title documents of 552 as explained below, I believe 552 also has substantial legal rights in in the right
of way itself, which in turn gives the new owners ample legal standing and incentive before the cons to request permission to remove the troublesome and dangerous trees. Further, the trees block the new owner's
ability to walk north along the beach, just as ours is blocked to the south. I hope we are aligned on a common goal to find a way to remove the trees as part of the project and process with the consump. Please forward the email to the new
owners and I'm copying their attorney, Michael Ford, whom I know. I telephoned Michael and left a brief voicemail summary voicemail summary of this document. My intent is entirely friendly. I just want everyone to be
able to walk freely and safely along the beach. Bear with me as I explain the legal and practical details below. And please consult Michael Ford, of course, but we have just said that the owners
agree. So I I would like to stop reading this. It's a very long letter and it goes into all of uh the um the various details uh
legal details. So um that being given, uh do either of you have anything else to say >> about um the order as it stands?
Everything looks no good. Then >> can I just clarify so because I'm writing I'm editing this as we're sitting here. >> So the trees the dead trees that have fallen onto the beach are actually located on 552's property. Correct.
>> Next to the right of way or in the right of way. Okay. >> Or in the right of way. >> Okay. Yeah. >> Uh >> yeah, >> that's the whole issue is they want the right of way cleared. >> Okay. and and so I'm adding that as a finding that they are located within the right of way adjacent to and then I'm
adding so everybody knows the dead trees that have fallen onto the beach shall be removed. Um, I have also added, just so you know, and the the um some additional language that references the larger land
management plan and the 61,000 square feet of restoration uh that are going to be done and the 31,000 square feet of planting that'll be done. I wanted to put all that in there. So, that is now been added as findings. Um, so that's it.
>> Okay. Anybody else? Yeah. Just quickly, any stumps that are still intact? I don't I haven't really been down there. Um, are you leaving the stumps in the ground unless they're like completely out? >> Yes, we would flush cut as close as we
could to ground and then leave them in place. >> Thank you. >> No, because >> So, do we want to add something that says that the dead trees they'll be flush cut? They're not going to remove the roots.
>> Okay. >> I think probably we should add that. >> Anybody else? Bob, >> uh Rael mentioned uh that he would add more inground steps uh down to the beach to um guard against erosion.
Um maybe if we just put that in the special conditions. Uh, it's not in the it's not in it's not in the plan, but um >> adding steps. >> Oh, I put that in. I did put that in. >> Oh, you did?
>> It was in I put it in. Um >> Oh, I put it in. Um >> I did add that there's additional This amendment will result in additional coverage of 41 square ft within the no disturb zone from installation of ATR grade timber steps. >> Oh, okay. an addition of 210 square feet
in the outer aura from replacement reconfiguration of railroad tie steps. >> Okay. So that yeah, we captured that. >> I have one more thing also. Did we agree on how many of the dead stocks you're going to leave on the pines for the birds and the wildlife?
We were going >> I believe we said >> we were going back and forth on the number. >> I think we were talking about 15 12 or 15. I was How many total are there? >> Or was it? >> Yeah, >> I thought it was like 25 you were going to leave.
>> I had in my notes 15, but I don't think I think there's 25 total. >> Oh, total. And you were leaving 15. Okay, gotcha. Thank you. >> Are those all pitch pines? >> Yeah, those are pitch pines we're talking about, right? >> Yes. >> Yeah, >> correct. >> Cut to a height of about 10 feet or so
and left as snags. >> They don't hurt. They're the wildlife love them. >> Height need. Okay. Anything else from anybody? All right. Then I think we can go to a motion, please.
>> I move that we close the hearing on 552 Ashure Road and approve the request to amend the order of conditions as modified. >> Second. >> Bob. Hi >> Eric. >> Hi >> Paul. >> Hi >> Janet. >> Hi >> Elise. >> Hi. >> And I say I.
>> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> All right. Bradford. The next please. >> Next up is a field change request for 1557 Bridge Street Eastward Companies map 15B
parcel 1B SE 10-3452. Uh demo two existing dwellings in a pool. reconstruct both dwellings. Field change request is to change the orientation of the pool and reconfigure the patio area. >> Hello, Susan Leoo.
>> Go ahead, >> Susan. Okay, thank you. Susan Leoo from Eastward Company. Sorry about that. Uh we are here requesting a field uh change request at 157 Bridge Street. And that's the house on the east side of the lot. If
you've been by the property, we've been constructing the house for several months now uh in accordance with the order of conditions approved by the commission in 2021. And we would like to rotate the approved pool and reconfigure the patio area. We've submitted in the
packet a revised site plan, revised landscape plan, and revised planting plan. And the uh request would be to rotate the approved 18 ftx 36 ft inground pool. Uh if you remember, the
pool ran sort of north south and now it's uh east west and will be parallel with the house. Uh it will work better. Reconfigure the approved patio area around the rotated pool and revise the
approved plantings around the patio. And the field change will decrease the hardscape or the sight coverage in the 50 to 100 ft buffer by 107 square ft from 2197 square ft to 290 square ft. Uh
we'll pull the proposed patio further from the 50oot buffer line and resource area. The proposed retaining wall on the west side of the patio will be outside of the conservancy district setback line. and the retaining wall is just over 2 and 1/2 ft high. The landscape
plan has been revised to adjust the plantings around the reduced pool patio, continuing to use a mixture of emerald green arborite, morning light maiden grass, and little bunny fountain grass with low blue cat mint and ven dwarf hydrangeanger. And I believe those were the mixtures uh the mixture of plants
used on the original plan. and the approved restoration planting plan by blue flex design has been revised to reflect the proposed change to the pool and patio. Otherwise, the blue flex plan uh proposes to res the restoration of
the overall site and that will remain as the same as approved and uh we feel the proposed changes are an improvement to the site overall and we'll continue to comply with the requirements of the order of conditions. Thank you. >> Thank you. Um, anybody have any
questions, comments? I'm gonna start. I'm I'm I'm struggling with this partially because um this is two properties now where, you
know, and I know this is an older or you know, it's an order from 2021 >> and some of this I probably can't do anything about. But first of all, the landscape plan um only shows the one property
and I'm not sure how much of all that non-native is within the outer aura and whether we're hitting the 75% native or not because the plan,
you know, I you've got a lot of hydrangeas You've got boxwood, you've, you know, a lot of this is out outside of our jurisdiction, but it's made a little harder to figure out given that
it's, you know, it it doesn't specify that it's 75% native. So, I do have a concern about that and would like to be sure that that is truly the coverage.
My other issue which I don't think we can do anything about but because this is two properties now if you look at just the one property 157 where the pools been rotated and things it sure is
looks like that one would definitely be more coverage in the outer aura than 35%. And when you have the two properties together it says it's 30.4%. four percent uh coverage. And
I I struggle with this given that it's being looked at as one property, but it has two addresses. So, that's just my struggle right now. Um just so you're aware. And this is one
of the things with having two properties in one application. >> Um and maybe you know it and it is an older order. Um so maybe there's nothing I can do about it but um I wanted to say something
about it and why I like you know if this is truly two properties which it is. It has two driveways, two pools, two houses. It certainly seems like it's two properties to me and not one. And the coverage should be looked at as the
coverage for each of those properties unless they're going to be owned by the very same person which I doubt. So that's just my little rant for today. So anybody else have comments?
>> I would second that just because this the the the other house is not under construction yet. Um, so I'm wondering whether there's you've got a purchaser for this one, which is why it's going up first. Um, and when the other one will
be built, but we still which increases the the the likelihood um that they'll be they'll be coming for or um compliance certificates at different times and we still have one mitigation plan. So once again, it's going to be impossible. >> One landscape plan for one property and
then we have a mitigation plan for both together. So hence my earlier comment about >> separating things out it makes it very hard. >> So go ahead Bob.
>> I I thought the uh the regulations were changed uh after this uh that's right >> application. Yep. >> Uh sometime what two years ago. >> That's why she said there's not much we can do now. But since they're coming with a different landscape plan than I
think they had originally, >> that's a separate issue. >> Yes, I would agree on the landscape has to be the landscape. >> I need to know that that's got 75% native. Um, >> and even even that part of it, even the 75% native, I think we we didn't
initially require that. >> Uh, I don't think. No, but since they're changing their plan Yeah. >> doesn't it come in now because it's a new plan? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Yes. >> I I don't know. >> Yeah.
>> That's my my view of it, but I you know I'm I'm deferring to everybody because my my opinion is only one. Go ahead, Lee. >> I third your opinion. >> So, but I is there anything we even can
do about it? Well, I think on the on the landscape, we can absolutely ask for confirmation um that the landscaping uh adheres to the 75% native requirement >> within the aura within the outer aura.
Um I don't think on the coverage we can do much because again that was a requirement that came that we changed the regulations. Um but I do agree just eyeballing it that uh the other property is is much less coverage in the outer
aura. This one's much more um but again I don't think we can change that at this point. >> No. >> So where do we go from here? >> I guess what we need is to know what the
percentage of natives is at least on the landscape plan. >> Yep. >> Okay. Other than that this rotation of the pool is there any comments anything for anything else that they are
doing. I mean they did move it a little bit more outside the NDZ. >> That's great >> which I very much appreciate. Um, but anybody I mean that's
when I look at that I go boy it's all in the outer aura or most of it. So, and I don't think I can do anything about the 35% coverage, unfortunately.
But does anybody have any comments about how it looks now? >> No, >> I'm glad it's rotated. I hope the other one gets rotated. doesn't matter
other than the landscaping I think it's fine. >> Yeah. So I mean we need to know that that that number >> unfortunately. So we will need to continue it because it's just a change.
>> Okay. What we'll do is I'll I'll get confirmation of that and um put that in writing and send that into Bradford. >> Okay. And you know when you say yes it's 75% it would be good to know what is going within the outer aura of everything because you've got a lot of
planting happening and so just if they could specify which ones are within our jurisdiction and then we so we can see that it truly is the 75%. >> Or hopefully even more. I I'd like to
see more. I mean, there's a lot of things going in that I'm not thrilled at but with, but they're outside our jurisdiction. >> Okay. So, that >> like private, >> right? Right. So, that would just be for this property or for the other house
also. >> Well, I think your only change is for this property. So, correct. I don't think we can speak to anything else at this point. The only thing you came forward with was a change to 157. Yes.
>> All right. So, when would you like to come back? Our next one is February 25th. We've got a very packed schedule that day. We have six new applications already. And we have
um I think a couple that are continued. I don't know where I put them. >> What What's the date of the meeting after the 25th? March 11th. >> Okay. Why don't we do March? That I think that's fine. If if we're just
talking about the the uh landscape plan and the plantings and no no changes needed to the pool and patio, I think that's >> I think we're good. Yeah. >> Great. >> We can handle that. >> We'll continue it to March 11th. >> I move that we continue 157 Bridge
Street to the meeting on March 11th, 2026. I'm going to sustain. I wasn't here in 2021. >> No, but you say >> Okay, second. >> And we're just continuing it. We're not voting. So, Bob, >> hi.
>> Hi, >> Eric. >> Paul, >> hi. >> Janet, >> hi. >> Elise, >> hi. >> And I say I. So, we'll see you on March 11th. >> Okay, great. Thanks so much. Have a good day. >> Thank you. You, too. >> All right. So before we get into the
next part of the um agenda which is certificates of compliance, I just want to say um Paul and Bradford have done a huge amount of work to verify that these certificates have been met because we
have an unusual situation where we have a huge amount of snow. So you can't see mitigation. You can't see hardcape, you know, patios, decks, whatever if they're a lower deck. Um, so this has been very difficult and they've put a lot of time
into this and uh I very much appreciate the effort that they they did by looking at aerial photos, you know, going through a lot and speaking to owners as well. So having said that, Bradford.
>> Thank you, Madam Chair. Um, our first certificate of compliance is for 32 Sunset Lane, Thompson Realy Trust, Richard Thompson, map 16C, parcel C2, SC 10-1776.
Uh, this was for proposed additions, porch, and decks to an existing dwelling and removal of a deck and a patio. Um, this is quite an old order. Um, and >> I'm the real realtor for the home.
>> Go ahead. >> You have to be up at the mic. >> Sorry. Oh, my bad. >> Uh, but let Bradford finish first. >> Oh, sorry. Yep. >> Um, so we did review the plan. Um the dwelling was
the additions were slightly different than what was approved but resulted in the same overall square footage. Um one thing I noticed um going through aerial imagery was that there's a inground um
patio uh kind of to the west of the deck. Um, and so I reached out to the applicant um, and believe that's why you're here. Um, requesting that uh, some
mitigation plantings be planted for uh, that patio. It looked to be about a 10 by 10 foot patio. So requesting 100 square feet of mitigation plantings that I had suggested be filed through an administrative review um within six
months or so. >> That's great. And that would be attached to the the certificate. >> Um all right. Well, I see we have two representatives. So go ahead whoever wants to start. >> Go ahead. >> Um hi, good afternoon. This is Attorney
Odon HW on behalf of the uh Thompsons. Um and also been working with attorney Lichfield on this matter. Um I believe he's unable to be there today, but as you see Tom Riley's there, the listing agent. U the request I I'd say of both
parties um acknowledging the existence of the patio. Uh by my review of Google Earth photos, at least going back till 2007, uh you can clearly see it there. I think the request of both parties was was in lie of the additional plantings
to remove the patio and replace it with a native mix and some lumen seed. Um so that that's through the collective request of the the owners and the um the potential new homeowners. >> And thank you. I'm sure it is. Um
probably has been there for a while, but this is a very old order and so it obviously went in after the order was um created, hence why we're looking for a solution to it. Um so thank you. And
would you like to add anything? >> Not too much right now. I think I'm new to all this, but I think I'm okay right now. >> Okay. So Bradford, we would need to change it that that um patio will be removed and seated
>> with a fescue or Cape Cod mix. >> Um and that will be done within probably six months. >> Yeah, we have be consistent with that. We can't even see what's there,
>> you know, and hopefully if there was any mitigation that needed to be done, it was done. But this is very old. So, >> I don't even think we found that there was mitigation in the old order, was there? >> No, there was not. >> Yeah. So, all right. Anybody have any questions or
comments from Commissioner? >> I just want to say it's a smart move doing that because if you put the plants in, then you got to watch them for what, three years and all that. Yeah. It's a smart way to do it. >> Yep. Anybody? Anything else?
Then I think we can have a motion, please, to >> I move that we approve the certificate of compliance for 32 Sunset Lane as modified. >> Second. >> Bob. >> I. >> Eric. >> Hi. >> Paul. >> Hi. >> Janet. >> Hi. >> Elise. >> Hi. >> And I say I.
>> Thank you. >> Thank you all. >> Okay, Bradford, I think we can do the next two together. >> Okay. Next up are certificates of compliance for 115 landing lane, John and Claire
Bertuchi. Uh map 13K parcel R5 SC 10-311. Uh this was for land a land management plan. And then 115 landing lane, John and Claire Beruchi, map 13K, parcel R5,
SE10-1366. Uh, this was for their septic tank. Um, no issues on the septic tank. We did have a um septic review from uh someone who reviewed the septic plan and it was in compliance with Title 5, so I'm not
concerned with that. >> No. Um, >> that one's easy. >> Yes, the land management plan, as you said, was a little more difficult just because of the snow. Um, thankfully, uh,
within their certificate of compliance request, uh, they included pictures from Wilkinson Ecological Design. Um, that had pictures before all the snow came out. Um, and it did look uh well
established um and as uh as was laid out in the management plan. So I did not have any concerns on this one >> and I think they have ongoing conditions that they wanted for invasive removal and all of that. So if there is anything
in there at least we can't see it right now. So >> yes. >> All right. Does anybody have any comments, questions? >> Just one. The temporary irrigation was removed. >> We can't see. >> I can't see it for sure. Uh, so what did they say? Did you ask them?
>> I did not ask them specifically on that one now. >> Uh, Matt's on. Matt, do you have an answer to that? >> Yep. The temporary irrigation was removed. >> Excellent. >> Thank you.
Anybody else questions, comments? I don't see any from anybody online. So, I think we can have a motion to approve the two. >> I move that we approve the certificates of compliance for 115 Landing Lane as
written. >> Second. >> Okay. Bob >> I, >> Eric, >> I. >> Paul, >> I. >> Janet, >> I. And I say I. >> Okay. Bradford, the next thing Next up would be the discussion for
possible irrigation requirement changes, >> right? And that's been continued to March 11th. >> Y >> So, and then nobody's really on, but um I will just make sure that it will be advertised, but we do have an additional
meeting on March 4th at 1 p.m. here. Um it's to go over um the start of regulation modifications dealing with coastal resilience which coastal resilience is um a big part of the goals
for the select board in town this year. So hence why we're starting that. It will be facilitated by Cape Cod Commission and Pleasant Bay Alliance. And there's a folder out on our teams that has all the information in it as
well as slides from a presentation that was done gosh what two weeks ago. Time flies. So all right, having said that, we need one more motion. >> I move that we adjourn the hearing. >> Second. >> Bob,
>> I. >> Eric, >> I. >> Paul, >> I. >> Janet, >> I say I. Hey, what about >> as do I? >> Yeah. >> Oh, Elise. Sorry. >> That's okay.