Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Good afternoon. This is a hearing of the Cham Conservation Commission being held on August 13, 2025 in accordance with the Massachusetts Wetlands Protection Act and the Town of Chow Wetlands
Protection bylaw and regulations. My name is Karen Latton and I serve as the chair. Today's hearing is being broadcast live on Expinity channel 1072 and is being recorded for the on demand archives available on the town's website. It's being conducted in person,
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that you wish to speak by using the raised hand feature. So that we have a record of quorum, I will now ask each commissioner to indicate their presence. Vice Chair Paul Johnson is not here. Elise Gordon present. Jet Williams is not here. Eric Hilbert
present. Bob Delvecio present. And I'm here. We've established we have a quorum. Are there any announcements or future agenda items that uh need to be done? Great, Greg. Hi there. Greg Burman, your director of
natural resources. Uh before you get started today, I just wanted to take the opportunity to introduce Bradford Bower. He is our new assistant conservation agent. Just started last week and he's already hit the ground running. A little bit about his background. comes to us from Woods Hole Group where he worked
for local, state, and federal permitting. Before that, he was the coastal ecology manager of the Ducks Beach Reservation. He's held a number of field leadership roles with US fish and wildlife, mass autobond, and other organizations. So, he has a strong
background in habitat management and regulatory compliance. Uh he has a bachelor's degree in ecology from UNH, a master's in environmental GIS from Unity College, and he also serves on his local conservation commission in Yarmouth. So might
understand a little bit of some of the challenges you guys are going through. I hope so. He'll learn more about our specific town challenges. Um we're excited to have him on board. I know he's looking forward to working with you all and getting to know the project's people and community that
makes Chattam special. Great. Thank you so much and welcome Bradford. We're very happy to have you and uh hope that you remain happy here. Okay, before we begin the agenda, Paul, are there any announcements but for any
continuences today? Uh thank you, Madam Chair. Good afternoon, commissioners. We have two continuences. Uh the first one is 170 Vineyard Avenue that will be continued to 10225 at the request of the applicant and 202 Lime Hill Road that will be continued to
September 10th at the request of the applicant. 225. Perfect. Thank you. At this point, Paul Whiteitman, CH's conservation agent, will now lead us through the agenda. I will read the first one, which is a continuence. Uh we need to make a motion. So, it's 170 Vineyard AB. This
is an order of conditions draft. David Briggs is the uh applicant. Map 10D, parcel 4-d114, D number SCE 103703, proposed raise and replacement of a single family dwelling. It was continued
from October 23rd, 2024. And as I said just now, we're continuing it to 10225. Okay, great. Can we have a motion? Yep. I move that we continue 170 Vineyard Avenue to October 22nd, 2025. Second.
Okay. Bob. Hi. Eric, hi. Elise, hi. And I say I. Next one, please. Uh, thank you, Madam Chair. I'll read both of these, the Stson properties. They're combined. So, um, I'll read both legal ads. Um, this is for a proposed
order of conditions. Lots 28 and 28A. Stson Cove Road. The owner is Bradley G and Peter W. Watts. Trustees, map 11B, parcel W2, SC D number SC 103733. project was demolition of an existing dwelling and construction of a new
dwelling, swimming pool and patio within the buffer zone to a coastal bank and invasive species control and management within the coastal bank and land subject to coastal storm flowage. It was continued from June 11th, 2025 and June July 9th, 2025.
Also lots 27 and 27A sting co Bradley G and Goffrey D. Watts trustees map 11B parcel W2 to EP number SC 103732 project is demolition of an existing dwelling construction of a new dwelling
within the buffer zone to a coastal bank and invasive species control and management within the coastal bank and land subject to coastal stone floor continued from June 11 2025 and July 9 2025. Great. Thank you. Yep.
Okay. Is there anybody here that um has any comments on what we did for these orders? Hi Teresa. Good afternoon. Um good afternoon everyone. Teresa Sprag with Bluefax Design here on behalf of the property
owners. We really had just one minor um thing that we saw and it's on um for lot 27. Okay. Um and it's on page 11E and um it's number nine. Um and the um
just the note that the Japanese maple shall be saved. Um and I think at the onsite we discussed that there's really no way for us to protect and save that Japanese maple, but that the property owner um who I think explained that he had planted it a while ago on his own assured the commission that he would
replant another one. Um it's a it's a blood good maple. They're they're pretty standard trees. Um they grow quite rapidly and um I think the damage to the root system would be too much um with the patio installation on
that. Okay. So, uh I'm just modifying and then I'll read what I have. Okay, I also had modified um that uh
section anyway. Um it says 27 trees shall be removed. The Japanese maple is not able to be saved, but a replacement shall be planted. Thank you. Um I also added 15 are are with 15 trees
are within the resource area. Four trees four are within the NDZ and seven are within the outer aura. 28 trees shall be planted including service berry, eastern red cedar, red maple
tupelo and white oak. Given that most are popppler trees which are invasive and the rest of the mitigation that has been proposed as well as the fragmitees removal it is it was agreed that the tree replacement proposed was
satisfactory. Does that sound okay? Yes. Thank you. I just wanted to and I did something similar in 28. Okay. I wanted to um defend the fact that we aren't getting the number of
trees that should be planted for the number that are going out. So I that's why I had asked for the tree count and everything and to make sure all my numbers were correct. Great. So okay, anybody Bob? Uh I'd like to ask Teresa if the uh
current lawn, the existing lawn is irrigated. I don't think it is. I don't believe it is. It's typical Cape Cod lawn. It's pretty crispy right now. Okay. Um, so I'd like to u add something. Um, maybe in the findings
that the existing lawn is not irrigated. Um, okay. And then in the in the special conditions, we usually put that boiler plate note in there. We did have it. I didn't see it when I went through it, but maybe that maybe there is.
Okay. And I'm going to add that to both. Correct. Yes. 27 and 28. Let me see what's in the order for um I did say no permanent in irrigation shall be installed and no pesticides shall be used in both
one Paul wrote and one I wrote. So that part is in the in the special conditions but separated out. Okay. Um so that has been added as well. Anybody else or anything else Bob?
Uh, no thank you. Okay. Um, then I think we can have a motion to close and approve the orders as modified. Shall I do them together? I think we could. Yeah.
I move that we close the hearing on lots 28 and 28A Stson Cove Road and lots 27 and 27A Stson Cove Road and approve the order of conditions as amended. Second. Bob. I Eric I Elise
I and I say I Okay Paul the next please. Next is a uh order of conditions drafted for 75 Plum Daffy Lane. Sorry. Uh owner is Plum Daffy Lane 2008 Nominee
Trust map 9A parcel D14 D number SCE 103736. The project was construction of a patio within the buffer zone to a coastal bank and it was continued from July 9th, 2025. Thank you.
Okay, I do have I don't know if there are any representatives here, but I do have an e email that I received today and wanted from the homeowners and wanted to
address their their concerns with the um with the order. So, uh, they said that one of the issues was on page three, and it's actually within the description of
the property, which was taken directly from the um application, they wanted it modified, but because that came from the directly from the application and was the description used, I don't want to modify it. They
the what it says is the existing bank is partially protected by a revetment. They would like they say the existing revetment extends the entire eastern boundary of our property line which abuts the oyster pond river. The entire
coastal bank is protected by the pre976 revetment. But I'm going to use the verbiage that came in with the with the application. Then um they also special condition four
they had a concern about and what they said was um can you please clarify that this provision applies to the new mitigation area? It's about um
uh it's the planet shall be left undisturbed except for the maintenance required by the order of conditions. No p pesticides, fertilizers or new irrigation. Um they also said um there are sentences
that are inconsistent with the existing conditions which have existed since 2009. order of conditions. Nobly within the pool fence below the back stairs and even a few spots in front of the house. That area has lawn with permanent
irrigation and we do do rake leaves. There are also areas within the newly constituted aura eg along the fence ab budding the house along the stone walls that have mulch. These order of conditions are specific to the
application that was submitted. So they do not pertain and o they do not override I don't think a previous order unless something you know unless it became part of this
this application as well. So I was not modifi didn't not feel that we should modify that special condition for and it's one a boiler plate that we always use. If anybody disagrees, let me know.
Then I'll go on. Um, special condition number 10. Uh, oh no, special condition number 11. She says, "We have permanent irrigation within the aura, formerly within the 50
to 100 foot, but now within zero to 100 foot. Please specify if this is intended to apply the mitigation area or to prohibit an an expansion of the existing irrigation system. And what I modified
what we said to let me find it. Um I said wait I'm not in special conditions. No new per new.
So no new uh irrigation is permitted within the um NDZ or the aura outer aura. Um and then they had on standard conditions section C10
with the new top of coastal bank determination which aligns to the former edge of the DNZ. The majority of our backyard which has lawn or and part of the pool exists within the newly defined DNC which I think they both those they
meant NDZ. The provision requires the planting of a buffer zone of natural ve vegetation which would be problematic. um I don't see a reason to modify um that because this pertains to the work
being done and it also we do say that um all of these conditions are as applicable to the application. So, um, if anybody disagrees or has any different wording they want us to use,
right now it says, "Except as otherwise described in the approved site plans, a buffer zone of natural ve vegetation extending to 50 ft from the resource a area shall be left undisturbed. This condition shall be recorded as an ongoing condition of the certificate of
compliance." Um, as I've said several times, I think everything applies in that's in this order applies to the application that was submitted. So, uh, having said that and dealt with
their email, is there anything anybody has to add to this? Um, any representatives or um, commissioners? Um I just have one they have they they're allowed to have temporary
irrigation. Yes. Yeah. Okay. For the Yeah. But no new permanent, right? Well, that's only fair. So I just changed from permanent to new permanent. Um
so all right then I think we can have um a motion to close and Uh, approve. I move that we close the hearing on 75 Plum Plum Daffy Lane and approve the order of conditions as amended.
Second. Okay. Elise I. Eric. I. Bob. I. And I say I. So that's approved. Okay. Paul. And the next, please. Uh, next on the agenda, Madam Chair, is a notice of intent. The address is 237
and 263 Woodland Way. The owners of Woodland Way nominee Trust map 11K parcels HC48 and HC49 D number SC 103734. Project is removal of two bat uh boat houses, construction of a new boat house
and access stairs within the coastal bank. It was continued from June 25th, 2025. Crystal said we didn't get anything new and it looks like the ZVA approved it on uh the 26th of June. Yes. Uh good afternoon, David Clark,
Clark Engineering and Attorney Lichfield also on behalf of uh the applicants. So this went to zoning board appeals and was approved. Um the commission uh at the last meeting uh had some concerns about the uh whether the mitigation was
appropriate and um asked that we consider removing the uh the deck that's on the bank. and we after a lot of consideration um we would we are not offering to remove the deck. Uh I
want to remind the commission that uh when the GitLands did the two projects to demo and rebuild the houses, they removed 4,000 square feet of site coverage from the no disturb zone. Um, and there was a lot of debate about the
deck at that time and the commission asked us to amend the application to include after the fact permitting of the deck. So, um, and I think they made a conclusion that it would been more detrimental to the bank to remove it than to have it stay.
So, at this point, we like to continue with the project as originally presented uh, with no modifications. Um, in addition, uh, when it was time for comments from the com commission the last time, two of the
commissioners made mention that they prefer the elevated stairway over the accurate steps. That's where a the lion share of the increase in sight coverage is coming from, not the boat house itself. Uh, I think the boat house is
only 20 square ft bigger than the combined two boat houses. So all that site increase is to improve the resource by putting in an elevated stairway and giving an opportunity to vegetate underneath that.
I if I could madam chairman had a couple of thoughts. Billfield I went back and and looked at the listened to and watched the hearings the three hearings from 2021. Mr. Delvecio was on the board at the time. And I think it's important
to recall what David said that this was viewed, quoting members of the commission, as an excellent proposal. A lot to like about the project, a good project for the environment. All of that holds true because what was done in terms of the 4,000 square feet of of
removal in the NDZ was critical. More importantly, as David said, the board had qu the commission had questions at the time about the status of the deck as to whether it was there before 1978 or not. We explained at the time that the Gitlins purchased the property in 2018.
The original owner uh purchased it in 1961 and is now deceased. So, we can't prove anything. Uh the then agent uh reviewed the old aerials, determined that the deck was there in 1990 and more
importantly at the commission's request, David amended the request and the board made a specific finding uh that the commission finds that removing this timber deck would be potent would potentially result in more harm to the
coastal bank than leaving it in place. I have tremendous respect for your findings. Uh what you found in 2021 remains true. As David said, the bulk of increase uh is from the elevated
stairway which is certainly preferable to add great atgrade steps and we can plant uh appropriate vegetation below it. In addition, in in the 2021 hearings, you asked that we in order to mitigate for the deck that we do
plantings around it and that will be done if it hasn't already. So, we understand your concern, but I think it's important to remember what you found in 2021 that the deck almost certainly pre-existed 1978 and it was
specifically included in the order uh that you wrote in 2021. Okay. Thank you. Commissioners, do you have anything any comments, questions? Yeah. Um, I was one of the ones that talked about the uh the this the
walkway. I do I I do like the walkways. Um I I just come from a different era, I guess. Um I I'm I'm a big believer on uh you know, previous use to be reused. the but I was just concerned about
number one is the square footage of impervious and what you had there to offer. The the only concern I had was is I I walked around and and there's a there's mitigation all over the place. Um and it it just seemed to me that for
as far as a soft mitigation, it was kind of running out of space. Um, on the top of the bank, there is like a very large uh pathway that goes into the bank to the to the right of that
lookout deck that I don't think was in part of the mitigation. Um, it's open. So, um, I mean, I was wondering why that you didn't offer mitigation in that area. That's the my only I mean I I would have
if if you were to replace the steps in kind and then enlarge the you know the the shed down below. Uh I would never have an objection to that. I just figured square footage for square footage. Um and I looked in the woods
there and a lot of the plants that were planted for mitigation in the middle of the woods are not doing very well. Um it's very shady in there and there's irrigation, you know, there's irrigation spets halfway down the bank. Um it just comes to a point where the reason why I
brought that up, it it be it becomes pretty congested for mitigation for what value the mitigation is going to do. But do you know what that that that path would be an area um that you could mitigate? I don't know if you know what I mean or last time you walked the
property, but in the back of the the house is the I think with the not the one with the pool kind of in between. I'd like to see I wish that we put the plans up on the interrupt. We for whatever reason I think David had asked that this be put up, but I do not have
it in my time of I would have it up there if I did. However, do you have a plan? We both have it. Do you do you have an oversized plan that we can take to the screen that we can all look at? Just use the easel in the about June. There's an easel behind there. Grab that
and use the Paul. It's in the June 25th. It's in June 25th folder. Yeah. Well, I can't get in here. Not like Okay, let's see if I can share an area. Big area that they could mitigate right there.
Okay, let me see if I can do if I it'll let me share it today. Usually it won't cross everything. See, it's it doesn't allow me to share. I have to send a message. All right, I got to change from my 175s
to my 350s. Um, so down the road down the road. So there's the deck right there. Yeah, it would be the west of the deck. There's a huge swale of of just wide open area that I was wondering when I
first saw the plan. Gez, why didn't they offer to mitigate that wide open area? Um I believe somebody from Wilkinson is Oh, it's line. Um I think they could easily incorporate that into if it if it isn't already part of the the past meeting. It looks like it was just from the it
was just to clarify for me the area shown as remain of state remains of stairs. No, no, not the stairs. It's on the other side of the deck if you There's a wide open area that like almost like an old Y understood.
Uh that you could fill in there. It would be at least it would be worthwhile mitigation. It's just to me that I I just got concerned of popping plants all over the banking. It's that that's that's where I was from. I I wouldn't see any problem uh in suggesting or requiring in the order
that that area and it would be I don't know the square footage but not terribly large that that area have low growing mitigating mitigation plantings. I just and I just found it was really not necessary to mitigate the the old stairway. To me it wasn't a good cell, you know. It's just it's just where I
was coming from. So, just so I know, we're talking about this. No, in this area, there's a huge like wide uh at least six feet uh width and it goes pretty deep in before it goes
down the bank and it was just left wide open. So, it's to the left of the deck remaining. Yes. The west west west west west west west west west west west west west west west west west west west west west west west west west west west west west west west west west west west west west west west west west west end of the deck yeah all right that's fine I just so I put it in the right spot
David knows the area okay I just want to make sure when if we're writing in order I get it correctly um all right anybody else anything uh yeah so so uh Eric mentioned that the
uh the ingground steps he thought didn't have to be uh mitigated. Correct, Eric? Right. I think that they're leaving stairs in because it would cause more damage to remove what we had said even though they're putting in elevated in elevated
stairways and things. Um I also had your seating under the stairs. Um and the retaining wall remains. Um those are the notes I have.
Do you have any other? Okay, Elise. Anything? I have in addition. All right, then. It does sound like we can go to an order. Um,
we are incredibly full for the next meeting. Um, but we only have one order to be written. So, and orders don't take as long to discuss hopefully. So, if you want, we
could go to the 27th. Otherwise, it would be the 10th of September. That's fine. 27th. Yep. Okay. Um, if we could have a motion, please. I move that we continue 237 and 263
Woodland Way to August 27th for an order of condition. Second. Okay. Bob, I Eric, I say I. Thank you. So, you're all set. Thank you.
Thank you. Oh, yes. Thank you. Um, okay Paul. Okay. Thank you, Madam Chair. Next on the agenda is a notice of intent for 42 Harborview Lane. The applicant is Keith
S. Sharon 212 qualified trust map 16, parcel 22-m2, D number SCE 103743. The project is proposed nourishment and this is a new application. Thank you, Paul. Uh, for the record, I'm
Mark Burgess. uh ocean engineer, private consultant and the representative for this project and the next one which are going to be very very similar. So um properties had revetments put in u a while ago I think
about five or 10 years I forget and I have it in my notes but anyway there's existing revetments there. Um the purpose of the nourishment is to maintain the beach elevation so that the beach elevation doesn't drop too much. If it drops too much then the tow stones
can become uncovered. They lose their support and then the revetment collapses. So most of this is just being proactive at this point. Um I had so that the nourishment is placed only on the rocks. We don't I don't put nourishment on the beach because you do
that it doesn't stay it doesn't stay very long at all. So, we put it on the rocks and we use the cracks and crevices of the rocks to sort of filter the sand down through the rocks and then the ocean has a harder time taking it. So, we want to meter it out that way so it
doesn't all get Yes, I'm just raising my hand mark to put the put it up on the screen. Oh, go ahead. Okay. So that it doesn't all get taken at the at the same time. Um, it kind of more mimics the natural erosion process also. So, we always place it on the
rocks. Uh, access for both of these projects, but access for this project is over the Foster property to the north. Um, how many people have been to the site? Hopefully, all of us. Yeah. Good. Good. Um, so you saw the flag, the stakes that I flagged where the access
is. Um, that'll be matted with protective matting. The same contractor uh that put in the revetment is uh proposed to do the nourishment as well. So he's familiar with the site. The um the access will be
and I where I put the stake right over the right over the rocks themselves. So the first portion of the nourishment gets placed on the rocks and then you drive over the sand that that you just created. You only need a a smaller excavator to drive up and down the beach
to place the sand on the revetment. So he'll just drive down the beach right in front of the rocks, turn, and then place the sand as as high as he can. I think he can get 20 ft high. So he can get all the way up to the top of the revetment and then back and forth along the
immediate frontage of the beach. Um, we have 187 yards of nourishment proposed over 85 ft. There's a reason why I didn't put the nourishment over the over the entire revetment and that's because we want to nourish the beach that the
property is on. So the latoral drift direction is north to south and I'm going to say if and when old harbor road or lenel runs out of that sand then the beach this beach is going to start to get starved. For the moment
I believe there's still a sand source to the north. So again this is being proactive. They might not even do it this winter. Um, we have a file number. Uh, National Heritage responded as a no take with a time of year restriction of
April 1st to August 31st. No worries. No one's going to be doing it then anyway. They're going to do this in in the winter. All the nourishments above mean high water. So, it's all local permitting. And um the last item that is could be up
for discussion, Katherine Ricks wrote a letter which I responded to about the amount of nourishment using the erosion rates. Now the those erosion rates are it's a lot of older data first of all. We we know that they're not doing those erosion rates anymore. CZM and the
shoreline change transexs and all that. They haven't been updating those for quite some time. Having said that, we all know this is a dynam very dynamic area. We just had a third break come through. So things can change like that to where you have a nice calm beach and
a little bit of sand coming and feeding it to just getting wiped out. So again, this is mostly being proactive at the moment to be prepared so that when we hit the trigger point, we can put the nourishment on.
Now, Katherine wanted us to uh potentially pro reduce the amount of the nourishment. She felt it was a little too much for I have her letter to read into to as a record. So, when you're done, I will. You okay? Do you want me to I can respond to her com to her comments?
Well, if you want, I can read the letter and then you can respond however you wish. Okay. Um this is the letter we received from Katherine Ricks who is the coastal resilience director. I've reviewed the plans for the proposed nourishment at 42 and 54 Harborview Road, Chadam. These
volumes are quite a bit more than a typical nourishment volume calculated using the short-term erosion rate by times the height of the bank/reetment times the length. The plans submitted do not show the actual elevation of the
revetment to stone to top of revetment. So the calculation is based on the nourishment face shown. Quick calculations based on short-term erosion from Massachusetts shoreline change data database. Short-term change rate it
equals negative0.7 ft per year. Height of avetment face equals 10 ft. 42 Harbor view is 84. 85 linear feet. 54 Harbor view is 132 linear feet. 42. The minimum nourishment
requirement equals 0.7 * 10 * 85 divided by 27 which comes out to 22 cubic yards. 54 minimum nourishment requirement equals 0.7 by 10 by 132 / 27 which is 34
cubic yards. The high volume of sand proposed is not likely to all fall into the voids in the revetment, but will easily sit on the rocks and sllo off the revetment through wind and wave action. The nourishment sand is not compacted on
the revetment and therefore erodess faster than the compacted existing coastal bank material. I would like to see a reduction in the volume closer to the short-term erosion rates to slow the loss of material at the site. Previous
orders of conditions did include annual nourishment requirements, though I am in support of the idea of a visual trigger for the nourishment cycles instead of an amount to be placed annually. The trigger point reduces the overabundance
of sand at any given time, reducing the erosion rate at the revetment. I would re recommend reducing the volume to a two to threeyear calculated loss of sand or upwards of 66 cubic yards and 102
cubic yards respect respectively. Okay. Yes. Uh so I I totally understand where she's coming from. uh my experience in other in other towns we've done uh one uh Paul may remember this from back in the day in Dennis they use
one cubic yard per linear foot of revetment so for compensatory nourishment so if you were 100 foot revetment you'd be putting 100 yards um where's my notes okay and
okay and then so she suggests at the bottom of her letter to go let's just talk about one property 66 yards which is three years. Um I would like to at least go to five years. And the reason is because this way they get well the
fiveyear is um 110 yards and we're doing it it's a little more than one cubic yard per foot. But I believe when I when we do these in Dennis once they put that sand there and it rains the first couple of times it's all inside the reventment. So I do
believe at least that much will fit. Um, I'd love to keep it the way it is because I still think it will fit and it will still uh go down into the voids and then meter out as storms and tides allow, but as a potential compromise, I'd like to go to five years because we
don't want to be tearing up the lawn and restoring all that and disturbance on the beach and things like that. We don't want to do it that often. And that's the reason for the trigger point. So there's a the trigger point is proposed because the trigger points instead of just willy-nilly placing x amount of yards of
sand every year that could be too much or too little. We don't know. Mother nature is the one driving that bus. So by using a trigger point, you place the sand a specified amount only when needed. And if the trigger point is reached more often, well then you do it
more often. If it isn't reached for five years, well then you don't have to do it for five years. And I I believe you are more naturally mimicking the natural erosion process. So that's that's the reason for the trigger point in the in the proposal. Um
a five-year nourishment rate would be 110 yards. Um so 40 yards 44 yards more than what she is suggesting for the three for the three years. Um but like I said, I don't
want to I don't want to rip up the yard every three years. if if we can avoid it. So that was the reason those are the reasons why I arrived at those amounts. I feel it'll fit. I totally understand where she's coming from. She's done these kinds of projects. So I respect what she said. Um I'd like great to hear
from you guys and see how you feel about it. Well, our orders are for three years. So the farthest out we go is three years. Well, we can extend it though. You can come back and ask for ask for an extension. Mhm. But the order is written based off of
three years. So um that's I'm just making that comment. Um I I understand what does anybody have anything to say about any of this? Yeah. I just want to say that I'm not
really too concerned about ripping I I don't see how it's ripping up the yard, but I can't really justify that as the reason for changing it. Thanks. Can I add something? Yes. Go ahead, Paul. So, when we looked at Bradford night, um
it the concern would be uh the marsh right in front of the revetment, which it was high tide, but if too much nourishment gets onto that marsh, then it'll choke it out. Can only take a couple of inches. So, that was one of the things that we looked at. And I would point out that the previous
certificate of compliance limited the nourishment to 10 cubic yards. Um monitor for three years and then if you need it 10 cubic yards. I don't think I mean Katherine's online too. Yes. And I'm gonna call in her next. I will defer to Katherine.
Okay, Katherine, you're up. Hi, Katherine Rex close resilience director. Um, so one thing I would say is if we could go to these, you know, this two or threeyear amount because I do feel that the other amount's going to
not go into the voids in the revetment. I just don't think all of it will slide in there. And if you have a large amount kind of humped on the front of that revetment, it is going to go in the first storm, which might happen before the first rain or at the same time. So, if you were to do a three-year amount
and require monitoring and seeing if that does stay within the three years or not. So, I I think it's more of a monitoring that smaller amount before you put a much larger amount on there that would then potentially go and slide off onto the salt marsh there.
Great. Thank you. I had a question. Um, is there been any record, let's say, in 10 years of the marsh of sand adding in the marsh? I mean, it usually gets pretty scared out on the on the property uh south of that
property. Yeah, I'm unaware of any any other nourishment efforts on this property. Uh I think the the we originally approved this many moons ago. They were responsible to nourish the property also
south of their property. I I I could have sworn that was part of the deal. You're correct. It was amended and y I wasn't aware of that. Yeah, there was a vacant lot next to it, I believe. And yeah, and the person that
owns a lot next to it is up the hill. Mhm. Well, okay. So, what what Katherine suggesting is not I mean, it's fair. I understand. Um on cases like this, I try to work myself out of a job. So, I would at the end of three years, I would
request a certificate of compliance with ongoing conditions based on the monitoring and things like that. And that way, nobody has to do anything except make a phone call to Paul and say, "Hey, we're going to renourish this year." the trigger points been hit and everybody moves on nicely. Well, that's what we normally have.
Yes, that's in the future. That's all fair. I'm fine with that. Okay. So, really, I just just discuss whatever amounts you are willing and we'll give it a shot and and see what happens. Since Katherine's our expert and I I like I like our experts, I I listen to
them. Um, I would prefer to listen to the recommendations of Katherine. I agree. Yes, we have to keep our job. We want to keep her happy, too. Um, Bob,
I got a question, a couple of questions for you, Mark. Yes. Um, uh, how come the stairway is shown on 42 down the reventment but not on 54? Why is that? I don't know. Uh Thad TH did the survey.
Um I He's not I don't know. Okay. Um and there there's a lot of beach grass around that stairway at 54. Uh you're not going to place sand over the beach grass, correct?
I wouldn't. No, I would. And I would instruct Denny to go far enough between the stairs and the house to to miss that portion of it. Okay. You You know what I'm talking about though, correct? Huh? You know what I'm talking about. That area. Yeah. Just south of of the wooden stairs
on the north. Well, you're on on the on a different property for the next project, but I Right. Yes. Right. Um and is it possible to add more plantings of gre of beach grass anywhere just to
kind of stabilize that area? Not on when you when you nourish revetments, the roots don't have anywhere to go. Okay. And beach grass needs three years to get established and I'm certain it'll all be gone by then. So where where it is now that seems to be less action. So maybe it gets
established there and it'll spread on its own. But I I never plant directly over reventment because this nothing for it to grab onto. Yeah. Okay. So um could you revise the plan to um show that stairway
on 54? On 54. Yes. Okay. So, we haven't gotten to 54 yet. So, but yes, yeah. Yeah. Yes. And I And seems like we won't have to discuss 54 once it's open because we've done this. We should have opened them both
together, I guess. Probably. Yeah, we could have. Yeah. Um Okay. Thanks. So, nothing else? No. Okay. So for 20 for 42 I think we've said um we're going to go
with Katherine's amount which is 66 and um then of course the monitoring and of course after that you can always contact us the office if there is future
moni future nourishment needed. Um, does that sound accurate? Um, fine except I'll be retired by then, right? Well, maybe I will be too. Who knows? I might be tomorrow. Now, I understand
after all this. Um, so given that, I think that we probably can go to an order for 42. And I'm going to say you're not in any rush, correct? No. because it can't happen now. Anyway,
I uh we have already two orders for the 10th. Um I would love to push it out till September 24th. If there's no complaints about that, just a second.
It's the fourth Wednesday. My phone says I'm free. Perfect. Then I think we can have a motion to continue this for an order and it'll be till to September 24th.
I move that we continue 42 Harborview Lane to September 24th, 2025 or conditions. Second. Okay. Bob I. Eric. Hi. Elise. Hi. And I say I. Okay. Paul, the next
please. One second. You you do need you need a do you need a revised plan showing the Yes, we do need a revised plan before that. Okay, I can do that. Thank you. Okay, the next Paul.
Uh thank you, Madam Chair. Uh 54 Harbor View Lane Dune A Foster 212 revocable trust map 16 I parcel 21-m number SC10 3744 proposed beach
nourishment new application can actually put the plan up if you want. Do we need the plan up again? It's the same plan. Yep. Just add the stairs. Um so what I have from our discussion with 42 is that we
need a new plan that shows the stairs on the plan. Um we would be going with the amounts that Katherine suggested 102 which is um 102 cubic yards
um which is a three-year amount. Is there anything else for this or anything that you want to add for 54 that's different than 42? Um,
no. I think in your conditions, we want to avoid the existing beach grass. Yeah. And and he could cover that with like a foot. Beach grass can adjust to a foot or two, but I'd say leave it alone myself. Um, what else? Let's see.
That's about it. That one's um so the nourishment distance will be less. If I show the stairs and I'm only going to nourish south, the distance will be less and the volume would be a little less. Okay. So, we'll have to adjust that or or just put it there. Maybe the maybe the grass
is gone by the time we nourish it. So, we could we could just leave it as it is and just say, "Okay, if if there's avoid any existing beach grass that covers where wherever it ends up." Okay, fair enough. We we could say it it's avoiding all the existing beach
grass and leave it at a 102. Katherine, are you okay with that? She might have gone off. She's still Yes. No, I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. Yeah. Um, yes. Yes. The 102 and avoiding the existing beach grass and the monitoring
over three years. Perfect. Great. Thank you very much. Do you have a do you have thoughts on your monitoring? Is it just after three years go look at it or or depends on what happens in three years?
Well, if the customer calls you that their house is getting close to falling in that be an indication, please stop. That won't that won't happen. Funny. That won't happen because of the because of the revetments. But um yeah, I so monitoring reports can be
cumbersome to do. I would uh I guess I would suggest just we leave the O order open for three years. If they decide to nourish it in the first year, then you they're going to have to look at it again after three years to either continue or close it. So
it the system will kind of take care of itself. Right. Okay. Fair fair enough. Right. Do you have thoughts on that, Katherine? Yes. So, my thought on the monitoring, which makes it a little more aware, um, instead of having to have a professional consultant go out there every year, if
you have that trigger point marked somewhere physically on the stairs or on the revetment, the homeowner themselves can go out once or twice a year, maybe spring and fall, and take pictures and send them into the conservation commission. Um, and then that would give
more of an idea of how much sand is either building up or eroding from the sand placement at that location. Just visually having that doesn't really have to be more of a report, just something to visually show what's going on out there.
That's a great idea. I'm sure they're on the beach to take a picture, right? Yep. Okay. Uh Bob, um since you're going to revise the plan, how about how about if you show the beach grass on the reventment as well as the stairway as existing,
please? Uh and then um would it be um I think it would be a good idea to have before pictures of the beach uh before you start the project and then um and
then when you complete it, you know, maybe the initial Yeah, the initial uh placement of the sand. Yeah, I can do that and that's fine. Okay, I'll I'll be there anyway. Thank you. Okay.
Um, anything else? Okay, then I think we can go to an order as well for this on the 24th. And if you would please get the revised plan in as soon as possible because we will try and work on these ahead of that.
Mhm. I move that we continue 54 Harborview Lane to September 24th, 2025 for an order of conditions. Second. Okay. Bob I Eric I Elise I and I say I.
Okay. Paul the next. Thank you. Thank you. work with you. Mark's going to stay right there. Next on the agenda is 202 Lime Hill Road. Lime Hill 22 Trust is the owner. Map
12E, parcel 4-B6, D number SC 103746, proposed elevated catwalk, maintenance of an existing path and mitigation. Uh, this is a new application and the applicant Mark is requested for his compliance continuence to September 10th, 2025.
Great. Okay. Okay. If we could have a motion to continue to September 10th, I'd appreciate it. I move that we continue 202 Lime Hill Road to September 10th, 2025. Second. Okay. Elise. I. Eric. Hi. Ob. I.
And I say I. Okay. The next one, please. Next on the agenda is 91 Gillis Road. Katherine and Billy Kel. Kel. Thank you. Map 4B, parcel 3- CG4, D
number SC 103738. The applicants propose to remove and relocate an existing single family dwelling off the property and rebuild a new single family dwelling, install a new title 5 innovative alternative IIA system and all associated landscaping
mitigation and restoration plannings, grading and pertinances. This is a new application. Um, I have the plan already up if you want me to just Perfect. All right. There's a laser pointer there if you
want to use it. To your left, to your right. Y. All righty. Uh, good afternoon. My name is Zach Basinski. I'm a professional engineer with Bracken Engineering. here this this afternoon on behalf of the applicant uh Billy and Kate Cel as
mentioned this is 91 Gillis Road existing developed single family lot um resource on or near the lot Taylor pond to plan south down here uh the associated salt marsh a
ve flood zone at the bottom uh xzone and then the associated coastal bank um delineated under the local regulations and D92 2-1. Uh the top of the coastal bank is shown here in red on the limits from there. Um as mentioned, the
existing structure um is a three-bedroom house built in 1924 currently serviced by a cesspool. There is no records of the on-site septic system. Um so as the applicants are looking to take this existing dwelling, relocate it across the street onto a
vacant lot and then build a new single family house on the lot. Uh we're going to be maintaining a three-bedroom house on the lot. Um project was originally scheduled to be in front of the commission in July. Um we received word from the zoning board of appeals that we
do need a special permit from them. So it was continued and a ZBA ZBA application was submitted and we are scheduled to be in front of the ZBA on September 25th. Oh okay. So, um, as for the redevelopment of the
project, applicants are maintaining a three-bedroom house. The septic system has been cited on the plan north or furthest away from the resource areas on the lot. And then based on the minimum title 5 setbacks from the septic system, the house was cited uh in its proposed
location uh in line and very similar to all the abuing properties um in the area. Uh the project does result in an increase in structure area uh within the 100 foot buffer to the coastal bank. Uh under existing conditions uh we have
1320 square ft of house and decked area. Uh the existing deck is about 48 ft um about 48 ft from the coastal bank. Under proposed conditions, all the structures will be outside the 50ft buffer and we'll have a 51 uh foot set back to the
coastal bank. Uh the project results in an increase of 16 1621 square feet of structure within the Aura. We're looking to offset that um with 1950 square ft of mitigation planting. And also um this
plot was historically um maintained and cleared further down to the resource areas. So we're proposing a restoration of another 1957 square ft as part of the project. Uh and all that extra is within the or zone down here on the bottom. Uh
planting plans were details were provided from Sebaceia on the back. Uh typical um plantings they will consist of going to remind myself uh beach plum, bberry, chokeberry, sea myrtle, uh Virginia
rose, some purple love grass and we have some also additional trees white oak pitch pine and Canadian casberry. Uh this was um plants were specified based on a project and a m mitigation plan that was reviewed and approved by the commission for the abuing house. So we
maintain the same species and carried that across onto this lot as well. Um we believe there's a vast improvement with the project. Um the applicants are voluntarily um putting in a denitrification septic system as part of this maintain the three-bedroom septic.
So there will be a reduction of nitrogen loading protecting the groundwater. An erosion control barrier is cited um right at the 100 foot buffer to the salt marsh. Uh so all grading work will be outside that 100 foot buffer uh on the lot. Um all proposed structures will
again as mentioned before will be outside the 50ft buffer to the coastal bank uh on the lot. uh drywalls are installed to mitigate um runoff and then the increased buffer zone uh on the slope will also help filter and protect storm water runoff on the property. So
with that, we believe we've met all the local performance standards and we'll open it up for questions and comments. Thank you. Um I just needed before I open it to everybody else, I just need a couple things clarified.
So on the site plan that's you submitted that the the comment was you know 72525 revised for ZBA submission um okay it's it's coverage
in the outer aura is less than originally you had said 1,775 feet square feet increase and now you're saying 16 or Seven. Well, no, that still adds up
to well, pretty close to 70. Which is correct is really what I'm asking. I'm going with the second one. The 1621. The 1924 was 1621. That was a structure increase. Yeah. Well, that's less than what you had
originally said. So, what changed that brought it down from 1775 square ft to 1621? Uh the original um when we worked with the ZBA, we had to shrink the garage size down. Okay. The staff to meet the zoning
requirements. Okay. So the garage was was larger before was shrunken. Okay. Um also on that um plan
you say the p existing percentage in outer or is 20.7% and for structure area and you say proposed structure percentage in the
outer aura is 45.4. So, does that mean that we're now up to 66.1% coverage or is it which I think is what is meant or is it
now with the new structure it will be 45.4% coverage in the outer aura? I believe it's now it will be because it looks larger than half of the outer aura. half of that. I'll confirm that for I'll answer that and confirm
that, but I believe it's half of that. Um then I I mean these are just sort of because also you in that letter where I quoted the 1775 square feet increase, you said
the total was 48%. So I'm ass. So, I'm assuming that's now why it's 45.4 is because the number's gone down a little bit. Yep. Okay. Um, as I said, these are all just
sort of housekeeping. Um, one of the issues I have with your mitigation and restoration plantings is that we like to see how much is going in and you're saying it shall be uh
coordinated with conservation staff. That's not how we do it. Okay. We need a plan that shows this many of this are going in where they're going, you know, and I know that's approximate. Things get moved a little, but we need a true mitigation plan that
shows numbers, the size and everything. Um, and same with the trees. Uh, are there any I don't see it reflected trees coming out the trees coming out. Uh there's no proposed trees within jurisdiction
coming out on the lefth hand side. Okay. Yeah. It's all right. I just wanted to make sure because I know you're putting in trees. So I just wanted to be sure that no trees were coming out. Yep. Okay. Having done all that now I'll open it to you guys. Um anything?
I'll go. Okay. Um, yeah, I know we're tweaking it at 45%, but I I this is a good plan. Um, to me, because you got an ideal area to mitigate that banking. Um, I think it'll
be a huge improvement. Plenty of room for mitigation, soft mitigation on this. Uh, I know it's an extra 10%, but some of lot some of it's on the roadside. Um, is it more than 10? It may be 60%. Well, 60.
That's what he's got to confirm for us because it does look like almost it looks more than 50%. So, that's something we will get confirmed. But, you know, if you're going by 45% there,
that's a big difference. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. because it it's a it's it's a it's it's well done as far as where it is and mitigation that would be proposed uh to me. That's all. Thanks.
Thank you. I appreciate that that you're coordinating it with the abuter. I think that makes it even not only attractive but sensible. Exactly. So I and the only other major comment I had was to quantify what what's going in
anything, Bob? Uh, yeah. So, the the the trees that we have on the plan marked in red, those are going to remain. No, those are the trees that are coming out um outside the 100 foot buffer. And
those are the only trees on the lot that are coming out. Okay. We just wanted to show they were outside the buffer. I see. Uh other than that, no trees are coming out. Not nothing in the or in the buffer zone. Okay. This the cess poolool that's existing that's going to be filled
most likely be taken out. We haven't found it yet on the site. So Oh, so you don't know where it is. We don't know where it is. There's no records. The house was built in 1924. So uh I suppose you could probably follow the Yeah. Follow the pipe.
Yep. Um and uh the mitigation area you I see you have a number of plants in it and the rest of it is uh like a conservation seed mix. Um it looks a little and and
you're you're trying to include that whole area as the mitigation area 3897. Correct. Correct. So we like usually like to see more plants and less less conservation mix. Okay. In the mitigation area.
Um and the restoration area that is currently just lawn as well. Exact. Yeah. Under existing conditions. Um so if you're trying to include that amount of square footage too. Same same
thing on that on the restoration area. Um looks look looks a little sparse to me. Um um the the current lawn is uh just Cape Cod lawn, correct? And you're not planning on planning to
irrigate um just temporary irrigation to get the plants established uh in our area anyway within within 100 ft. Um so the whole the new lawn would be not irrigated. Correct. Correct. as well as the plants. No drip
irrigation in our uh in our you know 100 foot area. Um that's all I have for now. Thank you. Okay. Um can you tell me the retaining wall that's in the outer aura? It says
to be designed by others. I I'd like more specifications on that when you come back. Um, I will tell you that if it ends up that the numbers anything over even 50%,
it's going to be tough for me. And I'm just one person, but our our our reg our regulations say 35% coverage in the outer aura.
um that's asking for a huge increase and that would be very difficult to uh support in an order. So just so that you're aware as you look and figure out what the number truly is.
Um, if you keep that in mind, um, I think we've given you a lot. Um, I mean, until I have an idea of the coverage, I don't have a whole and I see a more specific mitigation and restoration plan, I I think there's not
a whole lot I can comment on at this point. Um, so do you have any questions for us about what we've asked about? Nope. I think I can coordinate with Paul and staff uh on plantings and
quantities. We'll verify that number for the coverage within the Our continuence until after the ZBA hearing and get revised plans back to you guys. Okay. The you're before ZBA on the 25th
of September. So we have it would be I mean we're right we're the 24th of September. So the next one after that if you wanted to be after
uh yeah but what if we haven't figured out our meetings yet for going forward. Um to be safe I would say October 8th. You want to put on the 24th and then if
we know the dates I can ask for a continuence. Sure. Okay. So on the uh September 24th we are looking to have a confirmation of the percentage of coverage. um
the putting in more plants, less mix um in both the restoration and mitigation areas and some specifications on um the retaining wall and you know height, length, what it's what it's made of.
Um so anything else? anybody if they could find that cesspool, I think it could be filled and that that's probably something that could be done. It's most likely going to be removed if the project's approved. The whole thing will come out. Yeah. When they move the house.
Okay. Um so we're going to continue this to the 24th of September. Thank you very much. I move that we continue 91 Gillis Road to September 24th, 2025. Second. Okay. Bob,
I Eric, hi. Elise, hi. And I say I Okay, next one. Paul, uh, next on the agenda, Madam Chair, is 325 Foxhill Road, Eastwood Hoe is the applicant. Map 10M 2-1, D number SC
103742, proposed ADA accessibility and landscape improvements. Project to include an ADA accessible ramp, retaining wall, patio, drainage improvements, and mitigation plantings. It's a new application and I'm sure Sean is somewhere out there.
Yes. Can you see me? Hear me? Uh, they've got to switch the screen. Okay. Hi, Sean. Good afternoon, Madam Chair and Commissioner. Sean Riley with Time Bond. Uh, also with me online, I believe, is Ian Peach from Wilkinson Ecological.
Yeah. Hello. Good afternoon. Hello. So, the this is kind of a unique uh coastal bank that we have out here. Um we the resource areas um the only resource areas within 100 feet of the uh
proposed patio and wall are um the coastal bank. We have a coastal beach and as you can see by the aerial image that we provided and I thought that was very helpful. Um there are paddle tennis courts, a parking area and the uh yach
club uh down between uh the coastal bank and the beach. Uh as you can see from uh in source the flood zone uh as you can see from uh what I've highlighted here um essentially
at the elevation 11 would cover approximately 12 in of the slope. So it's really not a significant vertical buffer. Um we have provided 50 foot buffer and 100 foot buffer uh to that coastal bank. We felt that it was
important enough that we brought um the conservation chair and agent out to the site out to the site. Um as we know that we like to protect the uh no disturb zone. Um but I think it was very beneficial to have them out there to to
put eyes on it and to see actually where we were doing the work uh what we were doing and uh what the end result of what we're proposing uh will be which I'll go over here in a minute. So, um, as Paul said, we're proposing
essentially three parts to this, uh, to this project. The first is to continue the, uh, great work that Wilkinson Ecological is doing out on the property. Uh most of you were uh on the commission when you approved the uh the site
improvements to the golf course which included uh over 50,000 square ft of of restoration and uh invasive removal along the shoreline. Um coincidentally you can see uh in this image on the
screen here um on that coastal bank uh they removed a large stand of knotweed. Uh for anybody that went out to the site, you can see how well uh the Forbes and grasses have grown in along that area. They still have a little bit of treatment left uh to do uh before they
finish that portion of the project up. So, we're looking to continue that uh along that coastal bank and uh really build a nice corridor uh along that bank um to continue into the work that we did behind the yacht club uh with all the
mitigation plantings we did behind the yacht club to continue that corridor. Uh so, as part of this, we provided nearly 7,000 square ft of mitigation for the work that we're doing uh in the the 0 to 50 and the 5000. Um the work that we are doing within the
um within the Aura is to uh provide handicap accessibility to the rear event spaces that the club uses uh at the exterior uh of the clubhouse. They essentially have a patio underneath that temporary tent that you see on the
screen. Uh that is down several feet from the uh floor level of the building and then another several feet down to uh the driveway and down to the lawn area uh that they have events um events at
for the for the members. So, we'd be looking to add in two handicap accessible ramps so that um members and guests would be able to pull up uh drop off um anybody that needs to use those accessible routes. Um they would then travel up the
ramp uh into those event spaces. We're proposing to remove the lawn within those areas and provide uh stable surfaces that are ADA accessible and um within that we're going to have a
pvious patio uh with slot drains uh which I can share with you if you'd like to see what a slot drain system looks like within those patios is very similar to uh what you see as a pvious paver patio uh but rather than infilling it
with with PE stone. Uh within the joints, they're actually 5/8 inch wide slot drains that then um transport the water to the subsurface uh stone and drainage to infiltrate it uh within the area.
So that is the the major buildout or or scope of the the uh building portion of this project is a retaining wall, the two ramps and the patio surfaces. The other third aspect of this project is to remediate um some of the drainage issues
that are going on out there. Uh the roof downspouts, the patio, the rear lawn area. Um they're all directed out over the lawn and down to the existing driveway that then leads down to the parking area between the paddle tennis
court and the yach club. Um so what we're looking to do is uh capture the roof runoff, pipe it over to um a pipe network to a subsurface recharge basin um that we within the uh mitigation area
and also to cross slope the um the existing driveway into a grass swale and then into a rain garden um that would have a beehive grate and then that uh excess would then flow into again that subsurface
uh recharge basin. So we feel that uh at the end of this project uh this will be a win for u not only the club but also for uh the resource areas in the area with essentially creating a very large uh wildlife habitat corridor that's
that's currently maintained uh as part of the club. You can see that the the patio space that they're putting in is entirely within the the turf lawn area. Uh this is all managed lawn area in here and managed fescue over the uh the other side. And um
Ian, I've I've flipped your your plan completely 180 degrees upside down so that it would be in the same orientation as our plan. So um I will turn it over to you to talk about what you're doing for the mitigation. Can I interrupt you one second? Where
are the where are the drains? Can you with your cursor? Can you show me where the are the drains under the patio? I mean the the dry wells or whatever they are. Yes. So the drywall wells going to go back to the Well, it's got to go somewhere from the slot drain.
Yes. So there are three Yep. three six foot diameter uh pre-cast pits with inch and a half crush stone around it that are all subsurface and that's all within the the lawn area. There's no uh existing vegetation other
than grass that's being removed. Uh there are no trees to be removed uh within the area that we're regrading, just to be clear. Thanks. Okay, Ian. All right. Yeah, thank you for the record again, Ian Peach from Wilkinson
Ecological Design supporting and representing this project today. Um appreciate Sean's introduction. Um and he's absolutely right. The first thing I want to speak to is what you can see is that contiguous adjacent area that's shown with a hatch uh to scale about the
same size. So we love an ecological restoration and mitigation when we can continue the good work and create a greater contiguous native plant community and habitat corridor. Um and then of course in a larger scale just to reiterate reiterate what Sean said this
is part of a greater and uh increased connectivity across the margins of the entire course um which is something we've initiated and permitted where with your body and are excited to make this piece another robust part of that
overall comprehensive edge corridor of this course. Some other project benefits I want to speak to. Um, we're going to decrease storm water runoff and obviously have a strategy that Sean articulated, but from a plant standpoint, um, with that grading, we're
going to have a denser and more robust, deeper fibrous root systems along all the edges and across this bank. Um, and then of course we have this rain garden which we thought about and we have 19 different native herbaceous species that
we've chosen specifically for the rain garden area. So not only are you going to get the storm water management and infiltration, but you're also going to do it with biodiversity plants and benefits for pollinators. The other thing I want to speak to about this area
is you see the trees on the plan, the canopy. It has an existing canopy, but basically a a lawn, for lack of a better term, a managed understory. What we saw immediately as a way to bring an ecological benefits and a little bit more complexity and function to this
site was to stratify to bring in that shrub later. So, that's why we've proposed these 70 different native shrubs as you can see throughout matching the tolerances for shade and where sun is um to the specific locations on site. And that's seven
different species of 70 shrubs. Um the other thing we're doing is to continue the good work. We're going to be seeding this entire area and that has 11 different species of native grasses and forbes. So there'll be the seated base,
the shrub layer of different scales and sizes. So you're fully stratifying. And then we're not removing any trees. So we maintain that canopy. So really we feel like both horizontally and vertically we're bringing greater benefits and functionality to the site. Um those are
the main things I wanted to to speak to. I'm happy to talk about any more details, but we definitely in summary see this as a as a real ecological uplift to this specific location that you're looking at today, but also in the larger scale a puzzle piece to make a
greater benefit to the entire resource of this part of Chadam. So, thanks for your time and we're happy to answer any questions. Great. Thank you. Uh, anybody have any questions, comments? Go ahead. I just want to say from your
presentation that I'm picturing the the Garden of Eden. Okay. Oh, nice. I got a Anybody else? Bob, uh I got a question. Uh it's on a slope here. Uh Ian, uh
what about erosion? uh you know as you plant this area. So it we're we're proposed for erosion control blankets. Our typical biodegradable roco blankets that go down to protect any areas um we need to and
then immediately with any management of species, we're also getting things seated. So, it's our typical strategy of getting that living mulch going of of the seated species, but also relying on that 12 18th month ECB or erosion code
control blanket um to help hold things in place while the plants are establishing. You can see a much greater slope right on this aerial and at this stage when this aerial photograph was taken that's a successful installation of erosion control plant at a greater degree that allowed for the um for the
germination and which we're well on our way with of those grasses and forbes adjacent to this project area. Yeah. I just wanted to say uh we're in a pretty pretty substantial drought right now. Where where do you plan on getting the water for all this all this
watering? Well, I think you know at this scale um this would be part of that other you know focused and temporary irrigation that we like to get the plants established. We have a little bit of a beneficial um effect here from the
overstory that will keep it from baking um compared to some areas. So we expect just kind of a targeted thoughtful temporary irrigation will help get this going on the right foot and not be overly impactful in terms of water usage.
It all sounds good to me and fingers crossed. Uh Elise, anything? I think it's a beautiful plan. I can't wait to see it. I think that um you've taken into consideration all the the
foibless of that area and good job. Okay. So, I think we're not asking for anything new and there are no trees coming out. Correct. That is correct. Okay. Just wanted to get that make sure
I got that. Um, you go before ZBA on October 9th. So, correct. So, how about we go to an order for October 22nd. That way, if anything comes up from ZBA,
we'll know. That would be great. Okay. Then, if we could have a motion. I move that we continue 325 Foxhill Road Eastward Hoe to October 22nd, 2025 for an order of conditions. Second.
All right. Bob I, Eric, hi. Elise, hi. And I say I. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Next one. Paul. Next on the agenda is uh lot four Kakoko
Road uh Dean Ryback map 5C parcel J4 D number SC 10 3740. The project is construction of a single family dwelling in a driveway within the buffer zone to a coastal bank and removal of the driveway within land subject to coastal stone flowage. This
is a new application. Good afternoon. Hey I do have the plan. So, great. Thank you. Y uh David Clark, Clark Engineering on behalf of uh Dean Rybeck who's in
attendance tonight this afternoon. Um also with us is uh Michael Sean, landscape architect. He's online and Bill Riley may or may not be online. Um, so, uh, this is a project that's in
conjunction with the one you saw last time, uh, 22 Taylor's Pond. Uh, the idea of the project is to create, uh, basically an accessory dwelling unit to the other property. That's why it's a
flipped house with a parking underneath and two bedrooms above. Um we are asking for a variance from uh this site limit site coverage limitation of the outdoor or uh as you know your regulation limits
it to 35% and we're at 47.6%. Um one of the reasons why we're over is that the outer ore on this lot is is a relatively small area. It's just under 2700 square ft. So any alteration to
that area quickly adds up as as far as a percentage. Uh the other reason uh the main reason why um we're we're covering so much in that area is that like I said this is an
accessory structure to the primary residence next door and therefore there needs to be a connection between the two. Um, we're not providing a garage space on the other property. Um, so there needs to be uh a connector as far
as the driveways. Um, and the structure itself is is just outside um the 100 foot buffer. So really all that site coverage is the pvious driveway. Um,
one of the the benefits of this, uh, and that that was one of the goals of the project was to only have one driveway to the two properties. Um, so in in considering that, we we needed
to to make an improvement over to what's what's there now. And as we said at the last meeting, um, the existing driveway goes through the flood plane as access. So, We're moving the driveway outside the flood plane so that area will be restored. Um, and in doing so, it shifts
the access from the property next door onto this one. And that's why we're over. Um, in my narrative, I in the alternatives analysis, uh, I talked about how this lot could be developed if it was owned by somebody else and if if they didn't
have the idea of create creating a family compound. And um that that alteration would be significantly larger. Um and I I I threw some numbers together and said it could be as much as 1,000 square ft more site
alteration if if it was developed differently. After we filed it, Crystal notified us that there is an outstanding order, which I forgot about because we did the plan 26 years ago. Um so that's what's up on the screen. Um, so a much
larger single family dwelling uh with a deck and driveway access off of Coco Cove Road. Um, this was permitted under a different set of regulations, a different flood plane because it was 1999. Back in 1999, Chadam was one of
two towns on the Cape that had a buffer zone to the flood plane. So, a lot of this pro that buffer zone line you see here is actually 100 feet from the from the flood plane and the Cadam no longer has a buffer zone to the to the flood
plane. So really the the 100 foot from the coastal bank just clips the corner of of the septic system we show on this plan. Um, so basically all this development they can do as a matter of right without coming to the conservation
commission and this encompasses over 10,000 square feet of lot alter alteration and close to a 100 trees to be removed. I've also provided a couple of pictures Google Earth images from the road showing how densely vegetated this
this area is along Koka Cove Road. Um, all those trees along Kaka Cove Road are just outside the town road layout, so they're fair game as far as removal. They're not subject to our new local, uh, tree protection bylaw. Um, so,
um, going back to the plan that that's before you today, um, this one's over 10,000 square feet of alteration. We're proposing just under around 3,000 square feet of alteration. Um so if the idea of of of the buffer
zone providing wildlife habitat um um is is is the primary function then um this plan is superior than what could be done as a matter of right outside your jurisdiction. Um, a large portion of the
vegetation on the lot is well outside your vegeta your your purview and this this plan that's before you um preserves a lot of that or removes it from uh development. Um
that's the basis for for the variance request. Um Michael Seaggan's here to talk about the landscaping and restoration plan. And I believe only three trees have to be removed. And the commission did notice the 16-inch oak that was on this
plan at the at the last meeting. And we looked at ways to preserve that. And unfortunately, because of the grade change required to get into the ground, get into the garage, um we're taking
60 65% of that root structure out of one side of that large tree. So, even shifting the driveway over just enough to save the what what you see what you would see as the trunk, we're still taking out 50% of the root structure. And um and it's it's it's hard to
imagine that tree could survive that along with the the drop in grade of a of a couple of feet. But like I said, Michael's here to to talk about the landscaping if you want to hear from him now or I'd be happy to answer questions about the site plan. No. Uh, I think we'd like to hear
everything and then we can ask. All right, Michael. Good afternoon. Mike Sean with RT Sean. Um, also with me is Rachel Meyer from our office working uh on the project as well. Um I I will be presenting the uh
as uh David said the mitigation planting plan for lot 4. Um but as Dave also mentioned, lot 4 is an integral part of the overall um plan including 22 Taylor Pond Road which we talked about at the
last meeting uh and as shown here is as uh uh as one property given the two properties uh are synergetic and because also um the mitigation area for lot 4 is on
lot 22 here. So, we'd like to just do a very quick overview um of the overall plan and then zero in on on lot four and end on that. Um because really the as I mentioned last time that both sites were
designed as one really single cohesive landscape. the the existing landscape, if you've been out there, especially around 22 Taylor Pond Road, is characterized by mostly ornamental plantings and uh areas of maintained
lawn. This continues into the very lower or westerly portions of lot 4. And as you move into lot 4 and up the wooded hillside, as David mentioned, the vegetation consists of large
um mature pine and oak trees. Uh most of this wooded area is outside the 50 to 100 foot outer or area. Uh and and much of it is is being preserved, including uh the dense vegetation in the uh
townowned uh parcel as well. Um this overall plan proposes mitigation plantings and lawn reduction uh both within the coastal bank and buffer zone uh of approximately 3220 square ft which
is in excess of uh the 3,200 I'm sorry 3,320 ft excess of 3241 square feet that is required based on uh David's office's calculations. s. Uh the mitigation area
colored in green here uh consists of uh a native wildflower meadow shown in the darker green which uh converts the existing lawn that's on the property now uh at this part of the um uh area. a
native grass shrub meadow shown in the lighter green in that in that upper northwest portion of the property um makes up the rest of the mitigation area. The next next drawing. So with that sort of overall plan is
background. This is the mitigation and planting plan for lot focus uh lot four which obviously focuses on uh the application that's before the commission uh today um there's 1198 square ft um of required
mitigation area and we're proposing 1,24 square ft that's shown in again in the light green. Um this is the wildflower meadow. Uh and it's uh really designed
to attract and support pollinators and wildlife which is again a big focus of of many of our plants that we're uh producing now. Um and it converts I think another key part uh much of the
existing lawn um to native meadow. The area here uh the mitigation area is demarcated by a split rail fence along that entire western property line uh and markers along the native grass path. Uh
clearly designate this medicigation mitigation area and I talked about that about 20 Taylor palm road a little more detail last time. As you move to the east and up lot 22, all the plantings in
the NDZ are native. Um, and then moving further uh to the east, the vast majority of plantings in the 50 to 100 foot are uh on 22 are native as well. And then as you move into lot for uh all
the proposed plantings uh within the 50 to 100 foot regulated area uh uh will be native species. Uh as David mentioned there are three existing pines and one oak uh this that are to be removed in lot four regulated
area. Um, and this is in the area the proposed driveway and garage and also as David mentioned uh the two trees in the in the corner there that that uh he commented on the oak but the pine as well. There's extensive grading
that needs to uh happen here because uh the it's we're sliding this garage into a sloping hillside. So there there's quite a bit of cut around those trees. Uh we typically um look at the critical root zone around
the trees and actually the oak itself because of the grading related to coming up the hillside regrading that hillside. There's almost 100 100% of the critical root zone being disturbed in the oak and
over 50% uh in the pine. Um there's a total of uh 10 native trees that are proposed in the regulated area to replace those four trees that are being removed. The new location for the
existing drive was also realigned. We we did numerous numerous uh uh variations. I think drove David a little crazy, but um the ideal uh engineering orientation
of that drive would have removed uh a number of trees in the buffer and we were able to uh uh align that and and select an option that didn't remove any trees uh in that area uh including that
12-in oak at the mouth of the driveway. Um, invasive species will be managed and removed um and and we'll be following up with a management uh uh program over the next three growing seasons. Temporary
irrigation will be required for the first two or three growing seasons. Um and then we will remove uh that irrigation. And as uh we said last time on 22 Taylor, there will be no permanent irrigation
uh in the long run on this project. Um that concludes uh a really quick overview of lot four uh and also looking at the combined uh two individual parcels that were really designed as one cohesive landscape including the
mitigation area. Uh compared to the existing property, the proposed plan is a significant improvement from an environmental and an ecological perspective. Um and within with uh a significant
uh much more diverse landscape dominated by many uh new plantings. So that uh is a quick again overview of the of the uh of the plan and I turn it back to the commission and and David.
Okay. Thank you commissioners. Any comments, questions? I I'll go. Yeah, this is uh kind of confusing to me because I can't help but look at this as one project. Um even though it's two. So basically
you're 10 h how could you this not affect the 70s something percent increase on the other property? Technically you got 10% increase on this one and then you got 70. an hour at 80 and you're how how are we going to
reduce anything because you're cuz on this one here in exchange you got a driveway and you know a wall but you know what I mean it's just strange h how do you you got 70s something percent on the other one and you got to go back and
try to reduce that and then you got 10% on this one and they're connected. How do you do I mean you're the magic man with the with the graphs but uh well one of the ways is to put the leave the driveway where it is for number 22 Taylor's Pond but that
would require bringing in about 20 yards of fill in the flood plane because we have to raise the septic system on that property because of the separation of groundwater. So, if if
number 22 Taylor's Pawn had its own separate drive driveway and we put in a new driveway to this lot, lot four, we could be under the 35%.
But what's deceiving about that number is now you have 60 ft of new driveway within Taylor's Pond Road. um because of the odd shape of the roadway. It's not a parallel sideline roadway. It it diverges because
it was taken also as a town landing. Um so you would have two driveways of the same similar length. They wouldn't count towards sight coverage or percentage of the aura aura because it's
not on the property, but is within the town layout. and we would have to take out probably three or four trees and have to go through that whole public shade tree process with the planning board. Um, so this avoids two driveways. Um, so that's one of the benefits. Um,
and as I said about the 70% that we're at or 77%. A lot of that's due to moving the project out of the flood plane and into the or there's there's no avoiding that. the there's the whole house I mean the whole that whole lot is within your
jurisdiction. So the the numbers are there it's just where do you what what part of your um delineation requirements does it fall under you know in the flood plane in the
no disturb zone or in the outer ore. So um we are working to reduce things on that that lot and we'll be back before you what on the 27th or the first meeting in September I can't remember next um but and as I said in the alternative
the the other way to get to get under 30% 35% is is to develop the property in a totally different way. um there wouldn't be a a real connection to 22 Taylor's Pawn Road and you would disturb
it'd be out of your jurisdiction and not your problem, but um we'd be disturbing 10,000 square feet of of lot area. So, like I said earlier, um if the idea is to pro protect wildlife
habitat, and this is upland wildlife habitat, has no relationship to the salt pond because the salt pond's 200 feet away and we got two houses in between us. Um, so this this the way this is laid out, it
it it leaves that vegetative buffer along Coco Cove Road. Um, I would imagine, again, it's not your purview, but I imagine a lot of people that live down Kako Road would like to see that vegetated buffer remained. It's quite thick. Um, I I did provide the pictures,
but that's all right if they're not up. Um, and there's a lot there are a lot of trees there. So, we're asking for to remove three trees within your jurisdiction. There are other trees that are outside your jurisdiction, but if we were to push this house back up the
hill, there's significant amount more uh vegetation that has to be removed. Um it might not be practical to have a shared driveway anymore and we would have a a driveway off of Cocoa Cove Road. So I I really think this minimizes the impacts
to the lot itself and wildlife habitat. And and Dave, David, just to reinforce what you said um earlier when you started off is it's it's hard to separate these two parcels. And while
there's less flexibility in what David just explained about cutting back on lot four, um we did hear the commission's comments and we'll come we'll be coming back with um I I think some uh re real
reductions in in the amount of of coverage and changes based on the commission's comments uh for the adjacent parcel which the who are uh obviously kind of ve very closely tied together.
Anybody have any comments? All right, I'm going to go. I have a couple questions. On the one plan, it says that the the new structure is the garage guest apartment.
On the sewage disposal system plan, which again, I'd like something that says site plan would be Yeah, I don't know why that's something new with the board because we've always for 30 years I've had plans that say just add site to the wording. It's just
that's I mean, you know, it's not just very often the sewage plan is is separate from the site. Anyway, um it says that it's a proposed two-bedroom dwelling. Yep. Doesn't say it's a garage. So, not that
that's a big deal. I'm just saying in one spot when I'm looking, I go, "Oh, they're putting in a a home." And the other I'm going, "Oh, they're putting in a garage with a place above it." Which Yeah. Not that that matters what it is. Yeah. Under zoning, the only way we can
build this is if there's a residential unit associated with it. Right. You have to go to zoning. As I said, it's just a difference of wording. Um, but on the front of both of them, there is a small rectangle. Yep. What is that?
It's a small little deck on the on the living space portionment. Okay. Of the garage. Can we mark that? That's a deck cuz it looks like it's in the driveway. Our site plan has a setback, too. And we call it out as a deck, but um
Oh, I didn't see it said anything about deck. That's why I was asking. Okay, it's right here, Elise. Yeah. Um Oh, it does say proposed deck sort of. Yeah, right. Away from it. Yeah. So,
okay. There's just nothing pointing to it, so I didn't notice. Um, I do think it would be lovely if you could cut down some of the driveway. That would take care of some of the issue of the coverage.
Um, I I'm struggling with the fact that the mitigation for lot 4 is on 22 Taylor Pond, which is not a part of this NOI.
So you're essentially saying we can't do mitigation on lot four, so we're going to do it on a different property. And well, having the control of that I I just am
not sure. Well, you do have control because there are two applications before, right? Um so it can be conditioned. Um but they could potentially be owned
let's say potentially by two different groups and the mi if somebody buys 22 Taylor pond not them saying this is going to happen because obviously it's a garage and an apartment so probably not but worst case scenario
and they don't take care of that mitigation area because it's not part of mitigation for 22 that that's a wellfounded point and and uh we've been advised advised from planning department that they had concerns about the shared driveway with
no language in place about uh the ability of one property to cross the other. So we can easily in that same document provide some type of uh granting of rights uh whether it be a license or an easement
um to maintain mitigation plantings on the other property. That's that's really not a concern. I mean it it's something that can be resolved. Um put something on the um
David could just let us finish first. Okay. Go ahead, David. Oh, you you talked about providing mitigation on another property and that we can't provide it on this one. That's a fundamental problem with vacant lots in that um ideally a vacant lot has has
no invasive species on it and has no problems that can be mitigated. So you always have a problem of finding places to put mitigation when it comes to developing a a vacant lot. Um and and so
this is really the only solution we can think of. Um, and it satisfies your mitigation requirements. It's just on a separate line. Bill, I'll get to you in a minute. I just want to finish with my part that I'm asking.
Um, on the planting schedule that was provided. There's a lot of things that have zero. I'm plants, you know, such as American Holly zero. Sweet Bay Magnolia zero. I'm assuming that's because this
is was originally also for Taylor Pond and so it would be nice not to have the zeros. Um it just, you know, makes it a little bit neater uh and easier to tell what is
actually going in in for Coco Cove rather than Taylor Pond. Um but and then in the notes, planting notes number three, it says there are um 10 native tree plantings and I count 11.
So which is correct? Because I have six six eastern red cedar, one river birch, and four shad blow service berry. And that to me adds up to 11. But the note says 10.
Yeah. One of the service barriers is outside the regulated area. So we didn't count it outside of our jurisdiction. Yes. See see I think you can
somehow have a note or something because it appears from this that it is on our in our within our area. Um it's hard to tell with all the same color. So I mean
I I had trouble finding them. So yeah, I can see that. But and I appreciate knowing everything that's going in, but maybe a note that says one of the uh service bar are outside of the jurisdiction would be terrific just so
because then we're not worried about how it I'm always worried about how it's doing, but it doesn't become part of our things that we check. Um, so those were my comments. Bill, I know you wanted to talk. I don't know if he's
left the meeting because now I'm not seeing him. So um, he was on and now I don't see his name. So maybe
he maybe because I asked him to wait. Um, I don't know. Anybody else a commissioner have any comments about anything I've said or any other things?
How you feel about mitigation being on Taylor Pond? Go ahead, Bob. I got something else. Uh, where it says existing woodland to be preserved uh to the north and to the south of the uh area. Um, did the owner um consider uh
have getting a u conservation restriction uh for those for that area? We can talk about it with with the applicant. I know, you know, we'll probably finish up this application process for this law at the same time we do the other one because we we can't do
one project without the other. So So we have time to talk about and come back to you whe whether that's an option or not. Okay. Thank you. Anything else? Um, no, not at this point. Thank you. Okay.
I just think the granting of rights issue with the 75% is really really important to make sure that we have that kind of clarity. I I I think that's critical. Yeah, we are working to reduce the site
coverage on the other property. U Right. and uh and that might overlap onto this property and we might see a a small reduction because if we're making the driveway smaller on the other property, it might allow for a reduction on this property.
But again, a small amount, we're only dealing with 2,700 square ft of of area that's in that buffer. Um so a little bit goes a long ways in in reducing that percentage number. Definitely
if it could be worded where it can you know where they are responsible for the mitigation somehow. I mean that no no that I think that is important because there's no guarantee if the properties do go into separate own well they are in separate ownership now but it's family members um but if it goes
outside the family yeah there needs to be something on record that identifies the mitigation at 22 Taylor Pond Road as being a requirement for mod 4 as well as the maintenance and the care pardon me
as well as the care that goes into the mitigation area. That was a good point, Karen, about the ownership. It's just a little confusing when you're looking and going, it's so far away from the property. I mean, it's not super far
away, but I mean, there's a whole house in between it, you know, if I lived at if I were on Kako Cove lot four, you can't even see this mitigation. So you wouldn't know, gee, it's dying or anything unless you walk around and
actually physically check it out. So that was why I was a little confused. So we obviously need to continue this and unfortunately Taylor's Pond is the next
meeting which is absolutely beyond full. We have 17 things that day. Um, so and I mean that's just by my calc. I think I've gotten everything. I added
everything that's been added in recently. Go ahead. Well, nine NOIs, one amended. You have to be up by four, right? Figure it out. No, no, we'd have to be up. Go ahead.
Yeah, I was just asking Dean when zoning board was for the other lot and that is in two two weeks from tomorrow, right? Um and there is no zoning relief needed for this one, correct? Um so if the 27th is full, then I guess we'll come back first meeting in
September. Okay, that's September 10th, which is already full. Uh it's pretty it's actually NOI it's not too bad. Um so I we could do September 10th.
Um and hopefully by then you'll have some idea of how ZBA feels for 22. Yep. So and maybe at some point we could get both of these properties on the same
meeting which might be a lot easier. Um but okay. Okay. I move that we continue lot for Kaka Cove Road to September 10th, 2025. Second. Okay. Bob
I Eric I Elise hi. And I say I. Okay. Paul, the next please. Next is a notice intent. 149 Cotch Pinikut Road Christopher Ryan Smith trustee map 16K parcel one. The EP
number SC 103748, demolition of a portion of an existing dwelling, relocation of a historic portion of the dwelling, and construction of a new dwelling in the buffer zone to a coastal bank. It's a new application. I do have it up on the screen if you want. Well, thank you.
I don't know. You want to look at Ian. Well, I don't want to put the plan up. All right, here we go. Uh, David Clark, Clark Engineering on behalf of the applicants. Uh with me is Ian Peach from Wilkinson Design and Rob
Calderero from uh Bohem Savory Dilva. Um so this is a primarily a demolition rebuild uh project uh on a coastal bank associated
with uh a salt adjacent to a salt marsh and a tidal creek. um a small portion of the structure is being saved and relocated that it's a historic barn that's a couple hundred
years old. Um floated here from Quinzy or somewhere on the Southshore is what they were saying over hundred years ago. Um and so that's going to be saved and and remodeled and attached to the new structure. Um,
a lot of the buffer zone, the no disturb zone, this property has been historically maintained as lawn. Uh, to the extent that in u a long stretch of this top of coastal bank, the lawn uh goes down over the bank and has been
maintained as lawn. Um, so the idea is is we we tried our best to move the house back as far as possible. Um but we're up against some pretty hard uh restrictions. One is the tennis court uh which um the owners tell us is is the
most likely the oldest private tennis courts in Chadam. That's is also over 100 years old. Um we don't want to disturb the tennis court. Um right now the the the septic system is less than 100 ft from the top of the bank which is
in violation of board of health regulations. Doing the demo rebuild project affords us the opportunity to to make it conform. So the only place it can go is that small area um outside the 100 foot buffer and between the tennis
court and cotch pinikut road. Um so that really between the tennis court and the septic system that's as far back as we can we can move the new house as possible. Um, with that, uh, we have reduced site coverage in the no disturb zone by
oh, 208 square ft. Um, we're only asking for an increase in the outer ore of 397 square ft or or a net over the whole property of 189 square feet. So that that's a pretty small ask as far as we're concerned.
Um with the reduction in in site coverage uh in the no disturb zone um and the increase of 189 or 397
I like I said 189 square feet net very little mitigation's required um but Wilkinson is proposing a quite extensive restoration program for the bank I believe we're getting rid of all the lawn that's below the top of the bank.
Um, and they they're here to to to talk about that. I know one of the questions the commissioners might have is is why is the pool located the way it is? Um, uh, primar two reasons. Um,
the homeowner prefers that orientation uh, as a lap pool. Second, it it's actually the best fit for the grading of the property. If we turned it 90 degrees and ran it parallel to the 100 foot buffer line, at one end of it, we'd be looking at filling quite a bit and the
other end would be a cut into the bank or into the slope going up to the property to our south. So, it really is a good fit with the topography and it and it's 99% within the existing lawn area. So, we're not going into undisturbed wildlife habitat. We're
actually removing lawn in order to fit this pool in. Um, as with the project just before me, uh, for this one, uh, this has an outstanding order from when the the guest house was demoed and rebuild
rebuilt in 2010. I filed for that, uh, request for certificate compliance this morning. So, that that'll be in the works. Um, it's it's long expired, obviously. So, um, and, uh, with the, uh, restoration work that Wilkinson's
proposing, we certainly would incorporate taking a second look at that mitigation that was required for that project so long ago and making sure that's all up to snuff. So, with that, I'm done with my present presentation. Ian's here to talk about
the restoration. Great. Thank you, David. For the record, Ian Peach Wilkinson Ecological Design. Um, and I'll speak to the project briefly here. Maybe I'll share my screen if that's all right. Yeah.
Right. Um, so you should see a little diagram here and two site photos. We'll start with existing conditions. Um, these two areas shown um are reflected in photographs next to them. um this
orange red color. You're looking across really this entire coastal bank here. And when we first arrived on site, we see a lot of residential properties, a lot of plant compositions. This is truly 95% 90 95% invasive plant species. Asiatic
bittersweet, um shrub honeysuckle being probably the primary species we're seeing, but others as well. Um, and that carries across the entire bank. So, of course, an amazing opportunity for that kind of classic
invasive plant management, careful stabilization with erosion control blankets, establishing that living native grass mulch, um, and then establishing a very, very robust and diverse shrubland. So,
that's got, you know, led the way with our instincts there, but we wanted to think comprehensively. So we looked around the corner um with what's in jurisdiction and and it really carried it was very similar composition of plants in this area. One of the the primary differences is there was a lot
of privet that have escaped and expanded from a from a former hedge system um as well as porcelain berry and definitely Asiatic bittersweet. So it really showed the way that there was an awesome opportunity for a full ecological uplift in terms of invasive plant management
followed by careful stabilization and stewardship of establishing a native plant community. So what that brought us to in these two areas is a very comprehensive and expansive approach. Um literally if we're looking at a
mitigation ratio we're almost at 92 to1. So that's what we're looking at compared to what the net increase is. Um it in other numbers, you know, we're looking at about 17,400 total um in terms of a project area for
mitigation. And the teal area is where we wanted to, hey, let's get this all the way back to a fully restored coastal bank. Um, so this is where we're going to have over 2,000 square feet of existing lawn that
will be converted to um, native grasses and native shrubs and work continuously with the entire planting program um, across the project. Few other things to um, note briefly uh, as you're looking at our restoration
plan now um, which gives you a little bit more detail about how we thought about plant diversity and composition. on a scale residentially like this, it's amazing. We can plant 285 native shrubs. Um that's of 10 different species. So
that kind of transformation um is a really awesome opportunity. We also get, like I said, this, it's a little harder to see in this diagram, but this opportunity to really remove a substantial amount of lawn and make this thicker, contiguous, and restore the
entire coastal bank, as well as finding other areas where we feel like, you know, let's thicken this up. Um, another thing I should briefly speak to is on this side we thought, hey, let's make kind of an a a a thoughtful approach
here where there's a logic to have some density and screening from the road, but let's do it with native plants we've used successfully and trial at different densities, planting them closer together as a native hedge. And what's awesome about these dense thicket hedges that you can create with some of our native
maritime shrubs is they do really check that box of cover for that habitat. So there are places where maybe you have shrubs and clusters and the native grasses around them and that can be an appropriate approach more akin to a maritime shrublin which we'll be carrying across here. But we also get
the opportunity to have a really thickly planted dense native hedge along this salt marsh um and definitely aven flyway that'll work um as definitely a net benefit for this property but also the larger resources and coastal area. um
you know you can see represented I should say in these smaller um representations of these clusters right that are shown throughout this is just really wanting you to show you the three tiered approach where we're bringing in
all the native shrub planting of different sizes structures and functionalities but we're also planting 16 species as number ones or andor plugs as you can see represented um in this really great plant list some of my favorite herbaceous species um that'll
work not only along the buffer edges but will stitch all the way down through the native shrub planting. So really an exciting native plant pallet here that we're able to bring um to the table. So we wanted to work comprehensively as
robust and thoughtfully as possible. Um, and I guess at this point I'm happy to speak to any of the methods or specific species, but this is how we conceive this project and and where we see the benefits. The last thing, which I always love to sneak into or bring into
residential projects where appropriate, is there is a standing dead black cherry that we'd like to remove the limbs off of for safety near the road and where we'll be working, but keep it as standing dead wildlife habitat, which I know I've spoken to before and and and
your your board and body has echoed your um it's something you you like to see on residential property. So where we can bring that into the mix is part of a restoration we're going to as well. So leaving standing dead over 2,000 ft of lawn conversion a comprehensive coastal
bank restoration um are some things I just kind of want to want to finish with. And lastly no tree removal. So happy to take any questions. Okay. Thank you. Anybody have any comments, questions? Go ahead Bob. Ian,
I think you should have been a salesman instead of uh what your current job is like right here. But anyway, um along the road uh outside of the 100, you stopped the um the planting uh the
screen planting. I know because it's out of out of uh jurisdiction, but uh are you thinking of continuing that all the way to the driveway entrance? Yeah, if you look a little bit closer at the restoration plan, we do actually
show three shrubs going past. We usually, you know, stick to what's in jurisdiction, but I think, you know, including the native hedge all the way. I mean, I'll even just very quickly go back to a share um and kind of see how
we're even showing shrubs, you know, right right to where there's proposed um other elements. So, so yes, I mean the short answer is this strategy of a native shrub hedge um is meant to go as far as is appropriate.
Yeah. Yeah. It most likely will all come out anyways because right now the water surface is connected through the neighbor's property and we have to run a new line. The 8 in main stops somewhere between 20 and 30 ft uh after the end of
our driveway out on and uh we'll have to tie into that. So, we'll be doing a lot of digging in that area and those hedges will probably come out anyways. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, that's that's a good thing. But those those hedges have been there a long time. Um
can tell Eric remembers uh Joe Nick. He was the driving ed instructor back in the day. And so you'd have to do your hours after school with Joe. I was going down this hill with him riding shotgun and he's
got his extra break on his side. We're almost to the bottom of the hill in the the steepest part of the hill and he slams on the brake and he says three-point turn. And so every time he let off the brake, I tried to get down the hill a little more, but he goes, "Nope, do a three-point turn." And the hedge is
right there. And there used to be a hedge on the other side, too. Um, but that's a historic hedge in my in my view, but uh I didn't make it. Well, 20 point turn I think I made. Maybe you could transplant it to your
place since you have an attachment to it. Go ahead, Bob. As long as you didn't go through the hedge. That's the main thing. Um, all set. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, I just wanted to say it's other than the restoration, I mean, your your mitigation is right right where we would
ask for it. So, everything was thought ahead. Um, I I think it's a great plan. Thanks, Elise. anything? Well, the lap pool, but that's okay. Most of it's out of our jurisdiction.
Most of it's out of our jurisdiction. So, very clever. Very good. Yeah. So, I think we're going to ZBA in September. Is that right, Rob? Uh, maybe. Um, I don't know if you want to wait for
ZBA or not. Um, September 11th. September 11th. Yeah. So, we don't want It sounds like we can go to an order. So, I'm thinking September 24th in case ZBA has any issues. That's fine. Yeah, I don't see any problems with that.
I had something else for Ian actually, too. Okay, go ahead. Uh on the other side, Ian, uh there's that building there. Uh this is uh is it southwest and you just stopped the mitigation all of a sudden? Why is why is that? How
come you didn't go be uh behind that building? Yeah, very perceptive. Um, good question. I probably should have said that in the existing conditions. That is the one part of the coastal bank that does have an intact, relatively intact
plank that does not need this wholesale level of restoration. There's arrowwood in there and some other maritime shrubs. So, it was really the threshold of um you know, just just keeping an eye on that, managing that edge, but but it's
the one corner of this bank of this parcel that does have some some intact native shrubs that that are there and um and surviving. Yeah. Okay, good enough. Thank you. Yep. Okay. Then I think we can have a motion
to continue it to the 24th for an order. I move that we continue 149 Cotch Pinikut Road to September 24th, 2025 for an order of conditions. Second. Okay. Elise I. Eric I. Bob I.
And I say I. Okay. Paul. Next. Next. 314 Kakov Road. Scott and Chara Daily. Map 5C parcel 4, D number SC 103739. This is an after the fact filing for construction of a stone retaining wall
walls and construction of a new foot path within the buffer zone to a coastal bank and riverfront area. It's a new application and I have the plan up if you want to put it up there guys. Thank you. So, Clark, for the record, on
behalf of the dies, um I don't know if uh somebody from parter is here, um but uh the dies filed for certificate compliance late last year, early this year. Um, and the aspill plan that that
was required uh pointed out that there was this retaining wall that was built as part of the landscape of of the new house that was just outside of your jurisdiction and this one landscape wall and then there's
another one here. So rather than prolonging the certificate of compliance, the commission issued this certificate with the understanding they would come back with a notice notice of intent for the after fact filing or for for these walls. So um
so these are the two walls that was constructed in the lower area. One's right at the edge of the parking lot. The other one is more of a landscape feature halfway up. And then this one
here um part is is prepared the mitigation plan showing extensive uh native plantings as uh mitigation for what was uh what was built. Um
pretty straightforward other than the fact that it was after the fact. Um but they're also proposing a walkway instead. Yep. Uh, sorry. It's okay. Um, just wanted to make sure. Yeah. So, they're at grade steps um down
this slope. Um, it it's it's basically steps with uh I think they're they were calling for grass in between because it's not that steep a slope. Um, so yes, I'm sorry.
That is something new in addition to the walls that they're proposing. And it's going to have a handrail. It says um it's a 70 foot by 72 foot by 3 foot wide
path with a handrail. So I'm just curious what the path looks like. Oh, it have one wooden 6 inch step stepper
for every foot of grade. So, they're probably just going to put the steps into the lawn, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, they're just going to dig in the the risers uh looks like uh every four to four feet or six feet or
so. It looks like four feet. They say gravel or grass gravel or grass will be installed. If they were smart, they would just put it in the lawn because the gravel is going to Yeah. eventually spill all over the place. I I
I think grass would be better. Um, we could call out for grass and then after three years if it it looks like it's not holding up before we issue you issue a certain compliance come back ask
see how it's working. Okay. Um, anybody have anything? Um the um I'm I commend them for the after the fact. It's a lot better than chasing tails. Um you know what what it was is what it was. The only thing the only issue I
have is on the mitigation area. Um, I was kind of hoping that the mitigation would be on the banking on the road versus a planting bed above the wall because on the I mean, you
know, it's it's pretty sparse in the banking in front of the dwelling. Uh there's, you know, this for in there and things. Oh, in in this area instead of here. Um there's a there's a there's a banking area along the road in front of the Cocoa Cove to the building.
Yeah. Well, that was all part of the original mitigation. Wasn't there's not much there for mitigation. It's just weeds and some facias. I'm surprised they even got away with putting facyas in there. Um I mean that would be the ideal area in my opinion for mitigation,
but it's already quote unquote mitigation. Oh, I see. Okay. Well, then there's no other places to put it. Doubling it up, right? So, you'd have to find some place to put it. Better than nothing, I guess. I Yeah, I I I think this was more of a restoration area than a mitigation area
because what was proposed was just a rebuilding of the deck. And I think the deck got a little bit bigger. Um, but there was always a set actually the set of stairs used to go the other way and they're going down this way now. I mean if we there wasn't a lot of expansion in the
original proposal. If we approve this can we just add on to it for you know just to do a little something with that banking you know shore it up with some plants and get rid of them for cythas view easements that uh before they bought the house.
Oh okay. God forbid we can't have that. Yeah. So I think that maybe this is the best spot. Yeah. Looks like the best spot then. be nice to see something done to beef up in front, but that would
something that wouldn't block the view. Yeah. Something low growing on the other the below the you know on the part that's not easement. Yeah. Well, the house sits up quite high. So, so a lot could be done on the that area down the other would be a nice
bonus. I will run that by uh our tear and Okay. See if they can tweak their plan. Um I I got something too. Go ahead.
Um to the south of the um mitigation area, the planting area I should say. Um could you put like a mo strip or something in there on the back side of it? Yeah. To keep the invasives out of it. I
mean I saw some bittersweet. Okay. on that on that uh to the south of that area. Right. So, what's the other restoration area for? Just to do it
because they have the pathway and the two walls. They have to give us mitigation for the two walls. I thought that's what the mitigation above the wall is for. And then the pathway is is what all the yellow is for probably. So what do you just keep in tree? I mean
it I'm amazed that they even want to do that. It's a nice little privacy buffer between the I didn't see a lot of invasives in there. Just I think it's the path is to get to the other house. I mean all this in here, but they've got to do something to make up for the pathway that they want to put
in. So, I saw a lot of bittersweet in that area with in the yellow. Yeah, they they're doing invasive management. The area north of the the footpath is is more of a invasive invasive species.
They're not putting much. Okay. Yeah. They're not putting in plantings. The purple and the pink is the only additional planting. I I got you. Yeah. So, they're not doing a lot. They're just cleaning it up. Yeah. Good. So, um, all right. So, we're
going to continue this. Oh, wait. Lindsay Cook has her hand up. So, Lindsay's here. Okay. Yep. Uh, go ahead, Lindsay. Hi, Lindsay Cook from Partier. I just wanted if there was any questions for us. We definitely can add the MO strip
um as requested. And then we could put some smaller shrubs in the prior restoration area just to beef that up. And definitely we could get rid of the forcyia. Great. Then if you can give us a new plan that has the reflects the most strip and
the um some of the the plantings in front of the house um or noting that you will be putting whatever right in front of the house. Um we also would prefer grass instead of gravel for the pathway.
Yep. We can change that. Okay. And if that could be reflected notes in the notes that says grass or gravel. Um, anything else, guys? Okay, then let's see.
Not the 27th. I can assure you of that. Um, I don't think this is going to take a super long time. So why don't we we don't have a huge amount of I mean we have we haven't of course
gotten any new applications for in for the 10th but we have some that are very old and may have to be dropped. So why are we September 10th? I don't think I have any filings planned
for uh August 26. So yes. Yeah. And you're our worst person. Thank you. All right. Then if we could continue it to September 10th. Okay. Thank you. I move that we continue 314 Kaka Cove
Road to September 10th, 2025. Second. Okay. Bob I. Eric. I. Elise. Hi. And I say I. Okay. Next one. Paul, please. The uh last Yes. of intent on the agenda is 560 Orleans
Road owner. 560 Allian Road Limited Liability Company map 13J parcel 7-G20. I don't have the whole uh DPS number, so I'm just going to say DPS 1037. This is
a peer reconstruction. It's a new application. This John O'Reilly, I have the plan up. John, if you want to share that. Uh that'd be great. Thank you. For the record, I'm John O'Reilly. Um, Steve Goldstein, uh, who represents the LLC, I
think, is here as well. Yes. Um, he'd be happy to answer any questions that I get stumped on. But, uh, we're here tonight, um, to reconstruct the existing this afternoon. Yeah, it's afternoon. Please don't tell us it's the night. I'm sitting back a while. I'm sorry. This is bad enough.
Sorry. Uh, this a this afternoon to um hopefully seek uh approval to reconstruct the the dock. Uh we were here in the late winter, early spring of 2024 for some repairs
um to the dock that had um section had fallen down and we were looking to reconstruct the float um which we did. You were kind enough to give us a negative determination. Uh so we back uh tonight uh today,
excuse me, uh to simply reconstruct the pier in the exact same footprint. Um there is a 12x3 uh wooden ramp up to it. Uh that is going to be uh a new 12x3. Um the 44t
long by 3 and 1/2 ft dock matches the license um of the structure. Uh there are 12 sets of posts existing and we're putting 12 uh back in the same holes that the posts will be coming out of. Um
the float is licensed at um 9 by 10. Um Mr. Whiting did call Whitman called um Whiteitman. Whiteitman, I'm sorry. Um, and back in back in 2001,
the owner of the dock at the time sought and obtained uh both local approval and chapter 91 to expand the float to an 8, I'm excuse me, a 10 by9 float. Uh, that's what's out there now. And also to
um have a 14x3 ramp. That's what's out there now. So the proposal is to keep the float as it exists, keep the two pipe piles as they exist, and then um expand the ramp to the float by 2 feet.
So we go from 14x3 to 16 by3. And the reason we're doing that is the major change we're proposing is we're elevating the dock um to get it further above the marsh um to uh increase or lessen the shading
effects. The other improvement we're doing is we're going through um flow through decking which will again enhance the um or minimize the shading effect of the dock because we're elevating it about 23 in on the water side. That's the reasoning that we're going with a
little bit longer float of um 16 feet. Um be happy to answer any questions. I do give some protocols on the plan. Uh very similar to when the dock was repa repaired. The lumber and material will be stored in the uh driveway for the
house. Uh lumber will be cut in the driveway and then carried to the site and installed. Um with that, I'd be happy to answer any questions. I believe we are on for the 25th uh zoning board of appeals as well.
Madam Chair, can I just um John and I spoke yesterday and he did send over the uh amended 911 license. So it it is correct um in terms of what he's proposing. So that amended license does that permit the extension of the last
section to from was it uh 14 by3 to 16 by3? No. So we so we got if we are able to get through with an order conditions here we would then file um or actually
contact the waterways folks to see if a a license needs to be modified. But obviously we will need to present them. Okay. Change. That's what I thought. Just a housekeeping on your plan
where your first part you of the new um dock. You say existing 12T by 3 foot timber ramp to be replaced with new 12 in by 3 in timber ramp. So you might want to modify that so it's not inches
and it's feet. Because right now that's a very small ramp. Good catch. That would be that we would Yes, it's a 12 foot long, three foot wide. That's why she gets paid the big bucks. Oh, really? Oh, good. Also, you
mentioned flowth through decking and it says proposed timber dock to replace the existing timber dock. So, you're not doing timber, you're doing flowth through. No, no, it's a timber dock. The decking uh will be
throughflow decking. If you look at the dock detail, uh right now there's, you know, um decking material, wood material on the dock, and we're simply going to replace that with flow through decking and it's noted on the uh dock detail,
the N view. So, the structure will be timber. Uh flow through decking. Okay. up there in the dock deal and detail we're not keen on flow through can I um yes
I went out to on an enforcement issue an order had expired um there was flowth through decking um it was David Clark's project right and David informed the gentleman that when he comes back now to permit it um he cannot use flowth through decking so
I think exactly it might seem inconsistent if we're That's what I'm sort of getting at is that's not something we approve. Then we would just opt to simply replace the decking in kind. Um
see through plastic. So okay. Um the intent was to not only elevate the dock for shading um minimization, but the flow through decking would provide additional sunlight. But if the
commission has um has an issue with that, we would simply go back to the well it's plastic and plastic seeps into the water. So hence why. So my last thing and then I will definitely turn it
over. Sorry guys. is um you for the end part you have existing seasonal 14 by3 foot ramp and you are trying to replace it I believe you said with a permanent
16x3 foot ramp is that correct no the ramp and flow are seasonal okay I just Okay. I just wanted to make sure. Okay. Everybody else? Anybody?
I just wanted to make a comment first uh that there weren't any stakes at the site. Uh there wasn't a stake at the uh edge of the road to uh alert us of the property. There weren't any stakes by
the uh you know by the new dock. Mhm. Um, so generally, you know, we'd like to see stakes. Um, I I did not stake it for the simple reason that the structure is there and
we're I mean, it's going in the same location. So, you're talking about stakes that would be leaned up against posts. That's why I apologize if that upset you, but that's that's why I did it. Yeah. Didn't do it. Well, even if he had a
stake at the at the roadside, that would be important for us to see which property it was. It helps us, you know, when we're driving around. My apologies. Yeah. And there's someone on your rear end that you're not going fast enough looking for the property.
Yeah. And there dangerous there. Yeah. Uh I I just had a couple things. the the um I I'm sure this homeowner does it every year, but there's there's lumber debris in them. Can Can they get rid of that? There's a there's some kind of a
frame on the beach. Uh you'll see it if you go on the if you enter the the pier on the left, this like an old frame or something. I don't know what it is. It's a marsh area. Yeah. And and there's a couple other there's another there's a 2 by8 laying there. You know, just basic would be a
big big help. I would imagine they probably do that anyway because they have to look at I don't think so. Mr. Goldstein's on on the on the call, so he hopefully could chime in. Well, yeah. And is he okay with removing that? Oh, I'm sure he would be the Well, the the only thing is that the the
de um the dock exists within the easement. So, he doesn't technically own the land where the dock is. It's through an easement. Well, no one's going to say anything. I just I don't want to say we'll clean up someone else's property without Mr. Goldstein saying he's okay with it. That's all I'm trying. Well, it's right next to the I mean, he
must own right It's just right next to it on the on the seaw property for a while. His hands up, too. Oh, okay. I know. I mean, it's not a big issue, but go ahead, Mr. Goldstein. Okay, Mr. Goldstein, could you answer that to that? Yeah, I would assume that we can have
that debris taken away when the dock is removed for the fall by the same company. Yeah, great. Um the only thing other thing I what is the rules and regulations about lighting on you?
We have lighting regulations. Why? Well, the because there is lighting on on it. There is sold solar lights on. Solar lights on about every two feet along the No, we don't allow that. We don't allow that, Mr. Goldstein. I didn't put it there. That's been
existing for many, many years. Yes. And then some of them still work. tell the condition of the of the lights. I was amazed. I was pushing the button and some of them still worked. I mean, they were yellow, low voltage, but it was interesting that they still worked. Okay.
Um, anything else, Elise? I would just underscore Karen's point on the wording to make sure it's clear what's seasonal and what's being removed and all that. Okay. Anybody else? Anything else?
All right. So, could I just ask a quick question just to be clear? Um, the through flow. Yes. Are we You're not allowing that. We go back to wood planks. No, we do not allow through flow. It's plastic.
Okay. We'll go back to wood planks. It's a danger to the environment. Okay. I was going to ask too about uh the heck was I going to ask about? Um, I lost that thought.
Um, oh um yeah, around the uh So, you're going to use the same holes for the for the post, correct? Right. Yeah. Okay. I think that was it. All right. Thank you.
I looked at that, Pier. I thought it was good for another five years. I don't think I don't I don't know about that. Okay. The problem also is it's been overflowed during um peak periods of time.
So that's the other reason to raise it uh is to so that we don't have debris going out into the water. Another reason why flu through flow isn't exactly. Yeah, I know what I was going to ask. Go ahead.
U, can you take pictures of the marsh before the project starts and then after the uh new dock is installed? Good point. Sure. Okay. Thank you. Before and after type of type of thing. Yes. Okay. Sure. We should get more in the habit of
asking that actually. All right. You're going to have to give us a new plan because you have to fix that 12 in by 3 in at least and get rid of the flow through decking and Yes. So, but that shouldn't stop us from being able to at least start to
prep the order. We won't be able to issue it but until after ZBA. Um, we do have a meeting on September 24th, which is the day before ZBA, where we could go over everything and make sure
everything's set and then continue it to a meeting after the 25th and at least it's ready. So, does that sound okay? Yeah, that'd be a great that would be great schedule. Okay. Glad to hear it's a great one.
Most things aren't. Um, if we could have a motion to continue it to the 24th of September for an order of conditions. I move that we continue 560 Orleans Road to September 24th, 2025 for an order of
conditions. Second. Thank you, Bob. I, Eric, I, Elise, I. And I say I. And Mr. Goldstein, I'm assuming you didn't have anything more. Your hand's still raised. No, I'm sorry. It's
okay. Just wanted to make sure. All right, Paul, the next thing, please. Okay, last two items on the agenda uh before we adjourn uh is two certificates of compliance. The first one is 600 Foxhill Road. Uh Jonathan Seam is the
applicant, NAP 12M, parcel 6-P4, DP number SC 103720. Uh the project was to upgrade a failed septic system with a title 5 sewage disposal system. Um, the COC application was complete. Uh, it was a title five
system, very tight lot. If you haven't went down there, it's just hardly any room to work. Uh, our company went down and did a good job. And there was only one uh issue, and that was the uh one tree that had to come out. So, I picked
a tree off of our list and uh met with uh the applicant, and it should tidy it up. recommend approval. Anybody have any comments or questions? Okay, we can have a motion, please.
I move that we approve the certificate of compliance for 600 Foxill Road. Second. Okay, Bob. I. Eric, I and I say I. Last on the agenda is lot four, Kakov
Rogue, John Culb, map 5C, parcel J4, DP number 10, 1564. Uh the old this is the old uh uh order that need to be closed out. Construction of a single family dwelling. The work never started as far as we know. So okay. So we can have a motion
box. I move that we approve the certificate of compliance for lot 4 Kakov road. Second. Bob I. Eric I. Elise I. And I say I.
Okay. We need one more motion. I move that we adjourn. Second. Bob. I. Eric. I Elise. Oh, I did the Eric pause. I
And I say I. We are out.