It was a summer test. Heat. Heat. N. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. This is a hearing of the Cham Conservation Commission being held on July 23rd, 2025 in accordance with
the Massachusetts Wetlands Protection Act and the Town of Chad and Wetlands Protection bylaw and regulations. My name is Karen Latin and I serve as the chair. Today's hearing is being broadcast live on Exfinity channel 1072 and is being recorded on the on demand
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star six. If you're online and you are not a commissioner, please keep your camera turned off unless you have been recognized. Indicate that you wish to speak by using the raised hand feature. So that we have a record of quorum, I will now ask each commissioner to indicate their presence. Vice Chair Paul
Johnson, present. Lee Gordon, present. Janet Williams, present. Eric Hilbert, present. Bob Delvecio, present. And I'm here. We've established that we have a quorum. Are there any announcements or any
requests today uh for future items? I do have one announcement. Um Janet actually attended a MACC lunch and learn last Wednesday. There's another tomorrow
being offered by MACC. It's about the Massachusetts Ready Act and it's going to affect our NOIs and wetlands and all sorts of things and there's a limited amount of
time to look at it and um offer thoughts on it to obviously the legislative body and we can do it through MACC. So, um, Janet put, uh, the document. It's 99
pages. It's lovely reading. If you need any help falling asleep, it will help you. Um, but, uh, it's all in the uh on our site. It's under something titled MA Ready Act. Uh, Janet, do you want to add
anything? No, it's just that it's fasttracked because it was introduced as emergency legislation. Yes. So it is scheduled the the end of the comment period is July 29th and I think it's scheduled for a vote shortly thereafter. It amends about a dozen or
more existing statutes including chapter 91 for waterways and the wetlands protection act and it could have a significant impact on how we operate. I don't know that you know whether we're going to do anything but MACC is having another lunch and learn tomorrow if you want if you did you get an email from
them. The email I can forward the email will forward it. You just have to click the button and register. They're going to repeat the presentation and answer questions. So if you want to get up to speed really quickly in about an hour, that's the way to do it.
And Janet did put the um the slides from the presentation last Wednesday in the same spot. So um and she put some notes that she had taken when she got in. Um so if
anybody is interested can attend it would be good because it is going to affect all of us going forward if it if it's voted in. I assume it will be. I assume so. So it's good to have sort
of a heads up of what the state would be doing that we'll have to react to. Um, anything else anybody has besides that? Okay, Paul, are there any announcements for any rec continuences today?
Good afternoon, Madam Chair and commissioners. Yes, today we have um several continuences. Uh, 186 Strong Island Road will be continued to September 10th, 2025. They haven't filed with ZBA yet.
uh 237 and 263 Woodland Way will be continued to August 13th 225 because they haven't filed they have a hearing with ZBA on 626. Uh 20 L Street will be continued to August 27th, 2025. They have a ZBA
hearing on the 14th of August. And 91 Gillis Road will be continued to August 13th. Uh needs to file with ZBA. And finally, 325 Foxhill Road uh will be continued to August 13th. They need to
file with ZBA. Okay. Thank you. Welcome. At this point, Paul, our conservation agent will now lead us through the agenda. Thank you, Madam Chair. Um uh in addition to those continuences um we
have several I have to read real quickly uh that will be scheduled for August 13th 225 42 Harborview Lane Keith S Sharon 212 qualified trust map 161 parcel 22-m2 SC
103743 project is proposed beach nourishment 54 Harborview Lane Dune A Fost cluster 212 revocable trust map 1 excuse me 16 I parcel 21-m
number SC10 3744 project is proposed beach nourishment 202 Limeill road limeill 22 22 truss map 12E parcel 4-B6 D number SC 103746 project is provo proposed elevated
catwalk maintenance of an existing path and mitigation lot four carve road Dean Rybeck Map 5C, parcel J4, the EP number SC 103740, construction of a single family dwelling driveway within the buffer zone to a coastal bank and removal of a
driveway within land subject to coastal storm flow which 149 C penet road Christopher Rinmith trustee map 16S parcel one D I don't have a D number uh demolition of a portion of an existing dwelling relocation of historic portion
of dwelling and construction of a new dwelling in the buffer zone to a coastal bank. Finally, 314 Cole Cove Road, Scott and Cara Daily, map 5C, parcel 4, D number SCE 103739. Project is after the fact construction
of a stone retaining wall and construction of a new foot path within the buffer zone to a coastal bank and roof area. Those matters will be continued to August 13th. Thank you. Okay. Could we please have one motion for all of those for the
I move that we continue 42 Harborview Lane, 54 Harborview Lane, 202 Lime Hill Road, lot 4 KO Cove Road, 149 Cut Pinter Road, and 314 Cole Cove Road to the meeting on August 13, 2025.
Second. Okay. Bob, I Eric. Hi, Paul. Hi, Janet. I I and I say I. Okay. The next Paul, please. Thank you, Madam Chair. Next on the
agenda are requested orders of conditions. The first one is 76 Marshview Road, Mary Hope and Robin N. Hyenstein, map HC, parcels S72, DP number SC, excuse me, SE 103721, construction of an addition and deck
within the footprint of an existing deck. All construction within the buffer zone to a coastal bank. It was continued from February 26, 2025. And I do not believe they have filed with ZBA yet. So, uh, we shouldn't
probably discuss the order and we won't. Thank you. Y, next one is Wait, I think he wants to comment. I'm sorry, David. I didn't see you snuck up on me there. Sorry. All right. Uh, David Clark, for the record, um, Crystal asked me about
this one yesterday and I said, "Attorney Lichfield's out of town. I can't find out where he's at with filing." So, I asked to be can be to be continued to the to the next meeting. Um, that one's full. I have four orders and
I have um I think seven NOIs and so it's so full that can we'll have to we need to continue it to how about the first meeting in September August 27th we could do yes September okay September is fine
perfect September 10th or 24th thank you uh the 10th is okay thanks we'll have a date certain by So 910. Okay. If we could have a a motion, please. I move that we continue 76 Mars View
Road to the meeting on September 10th, 2025. Second. Great. Okay, Paul. Next on the agenda is another uh request for an order condition 734 Fox Road, Willis Barton Road. We didn't vote. Oh, I'm sorry,
boy. I'm really sorry. We need to vote. Yeah, we didn't vote. Okay. Okay. Elise, I. Janet, I. Paul, I. Eric, I. Bob, hi. And I say I obviously it's been a long
day already. Oh, okay. Next one. Sorry, we've only been here five minutes. It's been a long day. That's okay. Not a good thing. Next on the agenda is a requested order of conditions. The address is 734 Foxhill Road, Willis Barton Row. is the
applicant map 12 and parcel W1 D number SCE 103731 site redevelopment. It was continued from May 14, 2024 and June 11th, 2025. Uh the ZBA schedule for 724
and I believe Mr. Riley's here. Good afternoon, Bill Riley on behalf of uh Art Row and his wife Lynn. Um, we have the draft of your order and uh,
but we're not I don't think we're going to be discussing it today because it has to be continued because you haven't seen ZBA. You're scheduled for that for the tomorrow. Yeah. Correct. Correct. So, can we
Well, let me Well, okay. Go ahead. We have several major changes we would like to make. So even if all we all we do is discuss it without taking any votes, we'd like to uh bring those matters to your
attention. Okay. Um uh the principal one has to do with uh the hardscape located on the property. Um, initially we had said and Sean Riley's here also
and there he is. Yes. Um, can you put the plan up on the Well, we're doing an order. Oh, so well he's I don't know. Sean, can you put the plan up? If there's changes. There you go. But if there's changes, then we would
have had to receive them. Okay. So what we discussed last time was having uh pvious removing the asphalt and replacing with pvious material. Um,
and Sean and I had discussed with you that uh really we were only concerned about having uh something firm like pavers on the steeper part of the driveway.
the uh the row family uh has decided they would prefer not to use shell or uh gravel uh and they would like to use something like a pvious concrete.
Um the reason they don't want to use shell or gravel is you know uh they think it's tough to walk on. So right now the order does say in the findings it says the pvious paper pavers
may be installed on the driveway where the slope is greatest between EL6 and EL10. So isn't that where you're talking about? No. Oh okay. Oh I So are you saying that they don't want
to use shell or crushed gravel or a combination of both any place? Right. Well, I think they could use some of it up. Okay. So, yeah, this is the the steeper slope in this area. All right. So,
so they thought about it for a long time and they would Oh, that's good. I like that. Sean, he's a very talented guy that Sean, you know, we're cousins, you know. Well, not really. But uh so what they would pref prefer
after long hard thinking about it is to do something like a pvious concrete so they have uh a single surface and something that's not particularly painful to walk on. I mean from their
perspective. Uh so that's one change we'd like to have made. the uh another change is so so did you submit a new plan that says the these things that you're trying
to change or are you thinking that we're discussing it now and nothing needs through the chair I can clarify. Yeah. So that the we we'd suggest that the plan be approved as submitted. Um the pavers were a special condition that
were added into the order. Um the plan actually shows the entire existing paved driveway to be converted to a permeable surface without any specification of what that surface would be. So we're not asking for a change from what was submitted. Uh it would be a change for
the condition that was implemented. And the same with the other two conditions that were put into the order um reflect changes to what was shown on this plan and I'll let Bill continue.
Do you have the numbers of the special conditions that you're talking about and you're asking us to change? Yes. So on page page 11 F.
Yeah, that's under findings, right? 11E. Yeah, because the special conditions are further down. Yeah. 11 number two. The specials. So you're asking that
I mean we haven't discussed this is a change to the what was agreed when we said we'd go to an order. So I mean how does everybody feel about doing this at this point? I mean,
well, we just wanted, you know, we we understand that, you know, we're not gonna take a final vote today. Yeah. Let you know the concerns of the family. Uh, and as Sean has indicated, you know,
the, uh, we're still propo proposing that the services be pvious. It's just that they would prefer to have a consistent surface like a like a pvious concrete. understanding that there's additional maintenance uh for that to
make sure it continues to be effective. Uh I I've personally seen the pvious concrete used because being in the you know landscape business for a long time and and it's excellent. It's I can't say enough about it. It is
works fabulous. Uh especially on the slope. Um, I don't know, you know, why you would need the whole the whole parking area down below if you walk barefoot on. You can, you know, you could have pee gravel down there. But some people have tougher feet than
others. That's all I can tell you. Um, but it it does work excellent. I've seen it. Yeah. I've seen demonstrations which really unbelievable. They dump out hundreds of gallons of water and people standing three or four feet away and they don't even get their feet wet.
I got a Go ahead. Question Karen. So it was start at the slope, the top of the slope and work its way all the way down to the back. The back. Well, or just the slope itself. The hole. He wants the whole thing. The whole thing. Even the front. No, not the front. It starts from the
top of the hill down and the parking area. Everything is permeable. So that means I don't know what Sean, we've discussed this several times with the family and I'm not clear about the front. Well, it's it's more permeable than cobblestone, that's for sure.
Yes, it is. And it's more actually more permeable than PE stone because it's set on a turn the volume up for him or can you turn up your volume, Sean? Sorry, I can just writing and save some time. Yeah, we have to go to zoning anyway.
Yeah, I mean it it's just my concern is that you're you're coming to us with changes that weren't discussed when we said it could go to an order. So I I'm just
trying to make sure we're you you still have to go to ZBA. We're not we're not voting on it today. Um it's just this isn't what had been presented to us previously. Well, there were also things that were
inserted uh in the conditions that were never discussed. For instance, okay, the use of the garage. We indicated that the garage would be used in part at least with for storage of boats and
things. It ended up being being a prohibition against any uh mechanical device. I mean, they would might want to park cars down there. They might may want to store a boat that's got a motor on it down there. And those things are
all prohibited. Um in number five, yeah, on page 11, I see that it says non-mechanized watercraft and associated accessories. No automobiles may be stored in this garage. Um
yeah, see I think I think the changes trying to see we want to discuss with you today really don't change u the impact of the work that's being proposed. In other words, they you know we never discussed not
parking a car in the garage. So, and and and we were really caught by surprise uh when we read the order the um the other item, Bill, is the rinse station being located outside of the
50oot buffer. We had discussed that at the first hearing to try to take a look at that. We came back at the second hearing and stated that we reviewed the the uh floor plan windows for that side of the house with the architect and it wasn't viable to move that um to a
different location and that was the end of the discussion that we had and then it appeared as a condition to to move it. Uh we're very usually at least very against rinse
stations within the the NDZ. So that's probably why that went in there. Um it's not from what I see. I think I know where the rinse.
No, I don't on the south side of the house. uh about oh that's right third of the way up and we had hoped that it could be moved toward the garage and had expressed that I do recall
right and in and the uh I think it has to do with the placement of windows in the design that right Sean that that's correct we did go back and speak with the architect and try to shift it further along that line and then we get into the equipment once we
get out of get out of the 50 we get into the adjacent to the equipment area. And we we did put a limitation you you did put a limitation on that the rinse area to be used without any soaps or right
um cleaning cleaning items. The um any of the runoff would be directed down into what would be now hopefully a pvious concrete driveway. Um, so it would filter down through the slope here, the lawn, um, to the driveway, any
of the water that would run down there. So, we wouldn't see that there would be any impact from the rinse water in this case. At this point, I think I'd like to ask the commissioners how they feel about um all that's being discussed today and
whether we need to continue it to continue this discussion um about the things that you want changed and what we had written as the order um because it seems it's it's you know the rinse station. I don't
know. I I I was under the impression it would be moved. Um, how does everybody feel at this point? I have I have in my notes that the the rinse station would be moved. Right. That's I think
I don't have any problem with the pvious concrete. It sounds like a very cool thing, but I'm getting concerned that we're now but I think we need to make sure we These aren't small modifications, right? Well, in reality, they actually are. Well, but the rinse station's not a
small m it's a it's a structure that's within the NDZ and there is runoff and I understand it's a rinse station and we have the conditions but not everybody follows unfortunately all of our
conditions and we you know we can't stand there and police and so assuring us that never you know it would just be used with water it makes you I know many rinse stations that aren't just used for that. So, I
just want to know how does everybody feel about making changes like this at this point and whether we need to discuss it further. Anybody have a I I personally don't have a problem with
it. I mean, if the if if the windows are in the way and I mean Okay. You know, that's that's how I feel and I'm all for the the pvious. If you're going to spend the money to do that, God bless you. I I think that's not It just says I I've checked and all it says is that it'll be
permeable. Uh so or pvious. Uh Bob, I mean, uh can we move the windows? Yeah. See, now we're back to discussing. I mean, if you put the rinse station
right outside the 50, it it'd still be right on that same side of the house. And believe me, I get not wanting a rinse station below a window. I My uncle had one below a window and I wasn't exactly thrilled knowing people were
sitting up there when I showered, but um as Bob said, you know, I don't know. Um, but now we're getting into more of a discussion than mo, you know, saying this part of the order just needs to be tweaked a bit. Um,
well, from our perspective, we think it is because the whether whether in terms of in terms of, you know, where the water goes after it's been rinsing somebody. Oh, I I it's still going to it's still going to
go down to the same location. So, I mean, in the and as a structure, I understand, you know, you're concerned about the structure, but uh we're really talking about two legs. I mean, the things up against the house, there two legs supporting the the walls of it.
I get it. I mean, it uh it's more what is being done in the rinse station. I think for us Karen, another another alternative would be to to plant around the rinse station with uh like clea or some shrubs that
would uptake the uh effluent. Be happy to do that. Yeah, we happen to have Teresa break as well. So now we're truly getting into a discussion. But well, I'm trying Bill, I'm just trying
to figure out if we need to do this is a bit more detailed than just saying, you know, I making tweaks to an order. And so I'm
just concerned this is taking we have a very heavy agenda and this is our concern and and we are we were saying we're going to have to limit everybody to 10 minutes. Yeah. But madam Yeah, Madam Chair, we're not asking you to take a vote on it today. No, I know you're not. But you're
asking us to make a determination on something that will, you know, it's it's removing one of our conditions and it's a condition that we wrote in with the understanding and
several of us have that it was said that the rinse station would be moved outside of the NDZ. I I don't but but if uh can madam chair with all can I make a suggestion I think that I think that you're uh the items that we're discussing
uh are minor in understanding they're there's certain importance to them but they're minor with regard to the zoning aspect of the case. So I don't I don't think your letter to the zoning board has to change. No, I'm not saying it does. I'm I I'm
saying that we're getting into more than what normally takes place when we do an order. Saying the placement of a rinse station, that's a discussion we usually have as a you know, as a commission with
you all before we even write the order. And we thought we had had that discussion. I'm just trying, you know, I'm trying first of all to manage how we deal with orders. And this seems like a a a change more than, oh, can you modify
this wording or, you know, change the wording for the the driveway? So, it's not, you know, cobble, you know, it's not stone or shell. It's going to be, you know, pvious pvious cement. That's not a that's not a
major change. That's not an issue. It's the we seem to be having a discussion a longer discussion about the rinse station. That's my one concern. So, it's not with the driveway. It's okay.
I'm just that's why I wanted to see how the commissioners feel because there are six of us, not just me. So, um, I've heard a bit from this side, including planting, which might be a good option.
I want to hear what this side has to say. Anybody? I just recall on the last meeting that there was no mention of being uh putting automobiles on the the back side of the garage. That was
just for boats. You have a garage up top, but it's still a garage. Yeah, but once but the the argument was that once we changed that from asphalt to pvious that it was just going to be
nonmotorized vehicles that we never discussed non-motorized vehicles down there. Well, but you you you have a new garage in the front of the house for cars, so there's no reason to put a car down there, right? We This is at Let me just say my problem is that I'm looking at
it. It's at elevation six, right? And so it's really it's at it's below flood elevation. So there's a real risk to putting anything in there that can cause contamination if and when the water comes in there.
And it was stated that the lower level was uninhabitable and you were trying to be flood compliant. And flood compliant means no mechanized. I I disagree. We've never had
We've had many garages in the flood plane and all of them are used, as far as I know, all of them are used to park motor vehicles. And none of them ever plan on leaving the motor vehicle there if there's going to be a storm.
We've actually written that into some orders that if there's a name storm coming, they have to re and that's just an uninforcable in my view dumb condition because, you know, I know require somebody to get there and move it out. The property owner the property owner is going to want to do it
to protect the vehicle, the value of the vehicle. So, you know, we don't mind if if you want to continue it so we can have a further discussion. We just wanted to bring these matters to your attention. I feel like let's make a list. There needs to be more of a discussion
about this. And so we could continue it to I think it's August 27th and have the discussion and then once we come to an agreement we could have the or I mean the order is
written so we just have to modify it. Maybe we could also discuss the order on that day. If not, it would be September 10th that would issue the order once we get
to the point of a agreeing on these points. All right. Thank you. That's fine. Thanks, Bill. Sorry. And we do we have a full list of the issues. We have the garage. Uhuh. the if you could mark on the plan
Sean that um what the driveway will be and where the the permeable cement will be. Um and then we have the rinse station. Uh those are the three things. Well, there's there's one other
technical thing. Okay. which uh so under the general conditions 11 and 11 and 12 this is a pre78 building and uh the building's not being enlarged in
any way towards the water uh and 11 and 12 prohibit shore protection uh which a pre78 buildings entitled to at least ask for in the past 11 and 12 under Fair
general conditions has to do with prohibiting any engineering structure at the very end. Yeah. And uh under a previous chairperson sitting to your right uh
there was a she used to make a change uh to another paragraph that I can't even remember what it was now. I just know that I when I raise the issue, we would just change it. Well, we sometimes deleted those two. Um particularly in cases where there was
already a pre-existing shorefront uh protection system in place, so we just took them out because they were not relevant. Um there is no existing uh protection. I was a pre78 building,
right? All right. Why don't I leave you with that? Okay. We've got the four things. We'll, you know, we'll have we'll continue it to um August. It's August 27th. All right. Thank you.
And then we can continue with it. Thanks. Thank you very much. Okay. Thank you. I move that we continue 734 Foxhill Road to the meeting on August 27th. Second. Bob. I. Eric. I.
Paul. I. Janet. I Elise I and I say I. Okay Paul, the next uh next on the agenda, Madam Chair, is a submitted request for a field change. The address is 0 and54 Barkliffe Avenue, extension, town of Chadam is the
applicant. Map 16F, parcels peers and 7 D number SC 10355. Install sheet metal. Reconstruct existing timber, stairs, and landing. add walkway from upper parking lot and
the field change request is to add an proposed 22 foot long concrete foundation wall to the scope of the existing order. The wall ID intended is intended to prevent undermining of the
asphalt in the pave parking lot which has been experiencing erosion during storm surges. There's no ZBA required and I believe Fiona from uh FA is here. There she is. Okay. Um, I can put the pre-existing I can put the existing
conditions up on the screen, Fiona, or you can do it. It's up to you. You want me to do it? Um, sure. Yeah, that works. Thank you. How are you? You can go ahead.
Um, great. Well, thank you for having us. Um, I'm also joined by uh my colleague Alex Mora uh to talk a little bit more about the structure and design. Um, and we're Oh, and I just noticed Katherine Ricks is also on. Thank you, Katherine. Um, this is for the south jog
of the Cadam Fish Pier. Um, and as you have it up on the screen, we have an existing order of conditions um that has been extended to 2027 and we are looking to add a concrete foundation wall as you mentioned um in
the location near the existing parking lot um which was not included in the original order. So we are just looking to um give you some information about the further information about the wall and
um as my understanding is that it's an administrative process. Um so uh we can answer any questions that you may have as well. Um Alex, are you available or no to I'm
not sure if you have the sections or if you would like me to pull them up. Um, hi. Uh, I do not have the sections. Uh, let me if you have them available, please pull them up. Okay. Um, I can pull up the proposed
conditions plan that shows the wall. Uh, let me just share. This is the project site um zero bar cliff a extension. Um this is showing where the existing south jog is and our
proposed walkway and the foundation wall is on the western portion um right along the existing parking lot. Do you have the um field change request description? Um does anyone have any
questions on that so far? Let me check with everybody. Um anybody have questions at this point? Um yeah, I do. Is is is it due to the uh scarfing that's happening from the existing wall that you have to continue
it? Um yes. So this is to bolster that area. They are experiencing erosion. Um so this would be to to prevent that from happening further. Well to that area prevent it. But won't
it just scarp beharping up up the bank? I mean, I guess you have to do it, but um it's probably going to be a continuous problem, wouldn't you think? Uh uh I would like to say something. Uh
the wall itself basically is u continuing the existing sheep pile bullet. And what is happening is that when the uh storm comes, the wave action literally uh hits the uh wall and continues following the wall. uh up to
the dune that is on the very left of this uh uh wall. Um the erosion of sand is going to be basically controlled in a way that
uh the pavement of the parking area uh will not be affected. But of course, there may be some loss of sand during storm events in front of this wall. And for that
purpose, we're going to protect uh the sand layers uh below or in front of the wall with a marine mattress. Uh the marine mattress will be roughly at the same elevation as the foundation of this wall and it will be covered with sand.
uh that that uh what this uh has the purpose or intent is basically of uh minimize the amount of sand lost due to these uh storm events but this is something that will happen
with uh very significant storm events. Okay, thank you. Do you have further? Okay, anybody Bob? Uh hello. Uh the uh that's is that's on the property line
between Chattam Bars and and the town, correct? I'm sorry I missed the first the between the Yeah, that what in the town? Yeah, where this where where this is cited. It's the property line between Chadam Bars in property and the town of
Chadam. Correct. Yes. Okay. It is along the and it's along the easement. Um Okay. to be within the property line. Uh the property lines are those uh shown uh at
the edge of the walkway and then of course goes uh into the uh pavement area. Uh the wall will not extend past the property line that is shown right now. That dimension 22 shows the distance from the uh end of the existing
wall and the property line. Okay. Uh, can you can you plant uh can you add nourishment sand uh plus beach grass after you uh extend that wall?
Yes. Um I uh can uh have another discussion with you with the the specific plantings. Um so yeah, I can I can get back to you on that because that would that would further
protect that uh that area especially uh during a storm event. Yes. No, that makes sense. Um we are uh we have just um received the chapter 91 license and so we haven't um gone forward with
specific contractor or anything so we uh that can definitely be included in the discussion. Okay, thank you Paul. Go ahead. Okay, right. Well, that's what I was going to
say and you had to have your phone on your mic on, but um it would if we approved this field change today, we part of it would be that beach grass is to be planted. It it wouldn't be a
discussion later. Otherwise, we don't approve the field change today if you want to discuss it further, which I don't think makes sense. So, um, just so you know, that would be a part of the approval is the addition of the beach
grass and sand. Okay. No, that makes sense. Okay. Anybody else? Okay, then I think we can go to a motion, please. I move that we approve the field change request for zero and 54 Bar Cliff Avenue
extension as modified. Second. Okay. Uh, Elise, hi. Janet, hi. Paul, I, Eric, I, Bob, I, and I say I. So, you're all set. And that will be added to the uh, field
change approval. Great. Thank you very much. Thank you. Have a good day. Okay, Paul. The next next on the agenda, Madam Chair, is a submitted request for determination of applicability. The address is 21 Captain
Cove Lane, Kevin and Patricia Barry of the applicants, map 10L, parcel 10-C2 R25-8. Remove and replace existing fence. It was continued from June 11th, 2025. There's no ZBA required.
Okay. Who do we have? Chuck. Chuck Roland, Cape Islands Engineering. How are you? Good. How are you? Very good. Uh I'm representing the client at 21 Captain's Cove Lane. Um
I've sent in the revised plan. Uh I hope that you've had a chance to take a look at it. Uh if you'd like, I'm going to share my screen. That'd be terrific. Um looking for the button to do that. Uh
let me know when it pops up. It did. Thank you. Great. So uh in front of you is the revised plan incorporating um your comments from the last hearing which I greatly appreciate. uh the
feedback. Um what we've done is shift the proposed fence back to um get as close as we can to the stairs coming down. Uh we'll be tying into the stairs just south of the
planting bed running along um just outside into the lawn area outside of the certain wall. and we'll be um jogging back up closer to the certain the larger retaining wall staying just west of this pine tree and then just
east of this pine tree. We have a couple of um uh gates that we've shown here for access to both in and out. We've provided uh wildlife corridor uh between the hedge and the fence on the south
side. And obviously we've left the north side of the property completely open. So, um there's a fairly large wildlife corridor. So, they there's about 47 feet to um the uh actual uh what I call an
actual wetland an actual wetland resource the salt marsh and then 22 feet to the regulatory wetland which is the coastal bank and uh the flood zone. Um, so I believe that I've incorporated all
the um, comments that you had brought up during the last hearing. Additionally, I'd like to point out that this is landward of the Butters fence. Uh, they have, I believe, a stockade fence up here and a chain link fence that goes, I think, to about within 10 ft of the
coastal bank. So, we are landward of that. So we don't believe that we are adding any uh impediment to the area to wildlife. Um and we'll be containing you know obviously this I think we discussed earlier this fence is for containing uh
my client's dogs and so we are keeping them out of the resource when we have them up um in the fenced in area. Um and then I'll show you the last plan that I showed which was just right up to the coastal bank and a lot closer to the resource.
Um, with that, I'm happy to take any questions you may have. All right. Thank you. Anyone questions? You did listen, so thank you for pulling back the fence and adding a 4 inch.
Yeah. And making it all the chain link, so and the gap for wildlife. So, we very much appreciate it. And I take it from the fact that it's not showing on the plan that you are are removing the proposed uh I don't know plastic vinyl
fence along the side. Yes. Yeah, that's out. I should have said that. It's okay. No, you did listen to us and uh it's much smaller. It's much it provides for wildlife passage. The vinyl fence is gone. Closer. you know, it's still in the NDZ,
but you know, I do recognize that a good part of the property is. This was approved a long time ago, so they don't really have an option but to fence in that area, and you've made it as small as possible, so I'm okay.
I I don't recall, you know, the fence you're taking out, wasn't it like hard to find? It was sort of buried underneath the vegetation. Yeah. A small split rail. Yeah, I I I the only thing I question is
whether it should be removed um whether it's going to do more damage removing it than leaving it. So, what are your thoughts on that? Uh
um it'll rot away. It's a cedar fence. Um, so if I um I mean removing it, will you disturb the area more than if you left it and let it
rot is really what I'm asking. Um, we can we can leave it. I don't I don't foresee either one of them either one of the options being um very disruptive. Um maybe maybe if we
want we can say like uh if if removed removes by hand only and not and with wondering because it was it was so hard to even find it. And so I was that's why I'm asking because it it wasn't obviously
you know didn't jump out at me that I'm wondering if whether we just leave it and you know then and you put in the other and call it a day. So, I just How does everybody feel about that? That makes sense to me.
I like that idea. Well, I was going to say it, you know, compromise. At least you you can if the rails are easy to Yeah. leave the post. The post probably just break off anyway if you Exactly. So why? So yeah, you could remove the rails if they're easy to get
to, but you know, I just since I had a hard time finding it, I just was curious how everybody else felt. Um Bob, uh there's a there's another fence though, too, correct? There are two
fences, existing fences, post and rail. Um there's one um smaller one on the north side. And you got um they're they're both u what I would call not split rail fence but single rail fence. So essentially it's just the
top half and then the bottom half of it. Right. So if you remove the rails on both of them that would be fine. Perfect. Love it. Uh and the only other comment I had was the mitigation area. Uh I saw a lot of
invasives um in the existing vegetation and I think if you plant the mitig uh the mitigation plants I think they're just going to get overtaken by the uh the vines and so forth. There's
porcelain berry in there and so forth um growing through all the existing vegetation. And I'm wondering whether you can go in and uh remove a lot of that a lot of those invasives before you plant.
Um we're happy to remove them kind of in that general area. I I I don't think my client really wants to get into invasive management. Okay. Even if it's in that general area because it doesn't make any sense to plant and then Sure. They're happy to remove I'm not
I'm just I'm I'm an engineer. I'm just not a plant guy, but I'm h I'm happy to we're happy to remove um the invasives in that area, which are usually fairly easy to recognize. Okay, thank you.
Okay, so I think does anybody else have any comments or questions? I think we could go to uh motion, please. I move that we approve the request for determination of applicability with a negative -2 determination for cap 21
Captain Cove Lane as modified. Second. Okay. Elise I Janet I Paul I Eric I Bob I and I say I Okay. Thank you very much. I really appreciate it. Thank you very much.
Okay Paul, next one. Uh now we've moved on madam chair to uh notices of intent. The first one on the agenda is 30 Pine Lane. The applicants are Michael and I apologize for the misprononunciation. It's Julia. Trulia Lynch. Lynch. I have no problem
with map 13J. Parcel 6-G112B EP number SC 103716. The proposed project is a screen porch, sun room, and deck addition with within the 50-ft buffer zone to a fragmented coastal bank
and a 100 foot buffer to a bordering vegetated wetland, invasive plant management, native plant restoration, lawn reduction, mitigation plantings, and a kayak rack. It was continued from February 5th, 2025, and again in April 9th, 2025. And one more time, May 7th,
2025, ZBA approved the project on 71025. Thank you. And I will be recusing myself. So Paul is going to take over. Uh do any Thank you, Paul. Do any uh commissioners have any questions or comments on this property seeing that we've talked about it a few times?
Um I just want to add that the Kyrack Kayak rack was a nice mitigation offer that's new. Um I think this has been going on a long time and I hopefully we'll approve this Anyone else?
Teresa, are there any other changes? I'm not seeing anything. No, there have been no changes. Um, basically, we're just back because we had continued simply because we needed to get ZBA approval. Mhm. We we were okay. Okay, I think we're ready for So, we want to schedule it for an order.
Could we do 27? 27th. Yeah, that sounds good. Then August 27th. Perfect. That would be great. Thank you. Okay. Okay. I move that we continue 30 Pine Lane for an order of conditions to August 27th.
Second. Um uh Elise I Janet I Bob I Eric I and I say I and I abstain. Thank you. Thank you. That's okay. Okay Paul, next
one please. Next one is another notice of intent. The address is 186 Strong Island Road, David and Judith Adonia. Map 13M, parcel 48, EP number SC10 3724. Project is construction of an 8 by8 swimming pool
and expansion of an existing pool, seasonal rollout boardwalk, seasonal access steps, and installation of mitigation. The applicants requested a continuence to September 10th, 2025. It needs ZBA approval, excuse me, and an application has not been filed yet.
All right, thank you. Um, before we do the continuence, I am hoping that uh there will be an application with ZBA before that September 10th. So,
go ahead, Paul. I move that we continue 186 Strong Island Road to the meeting on September 10th, 2025. Second, Bob. I, Eric. I Paul. Hi Janet. Hi Elise. Hi. And I say I.
Okay. The next Paul, please. I have to look up when you say Paul because I know it's gotten Should I say Paul J? Okay. Uh, next on the agenda is a notice of intent for 237 and 263 Woodland Way. The uh owner is Woodland Way Nominee
Trust Map 11K. Parcels HC48 and HC49. D number SC 103734. Removal of two boatous. construction of one new boat house and access stairs within a coastal bank. It was continued from June 25th, 2025 and the applicants requested a continuence to August 13th,
2025. ZBA approved the project on 626. Okay, go ahead. I move that we continue 237 and 263 Woodland Way to the meeting on August 13, 2025. Second. Okay. Bob, I Eric, I Paul,
I Janet, hi. Elise, hi. And I say I Paul. Next one. Next on the agenda is another notice of intent 20 L Street Karen uh Lasakco map 10F parcel R9 DP number SC 103730.
Project is remove and replace of pond access stairs. It was continued from May 7th 2025 and the applicant requested a continuence to August 27th 2025. ZBA is going to be on 8:14. Okay.
I move that we continue 20 L Street to the meeting on August 27th, 2025. Second. Okay. Elise I. Janet. I. Paul. I. Eric. I. Bob. I. And I say I. Okay. The next next on the agenda, Madam Chair, is
another notice of intent. 22 Taylor Pond Road is the address Dean Rybeck and is the trustee. Map 5C, parcel J5, DP number SC10 3741, demolition of an existing dwelling, construction of a new dwelling and driveway within land subject of coastal storm flowage and a
coastal bank. Additionally, construction of a sewage disposal system within the buffer zone to a coastal bank. This is a new application and ZBA is scheduled for 828. Uh, good afternoon, Bill Riley and Dave Clark on behalf of
Dean Rybeck. Dean is here also. Great. Thank you. Dave's gonna start. Uh, David Clark for the record of Clark Engineering. Also, we have uh Mike Segan
uh from RTOR and Sean is on the line. Um so uh this is a demolition rebuild of a existing dwelling. The dwelling predates the wetlands protection act by several decades. Um Mr. Rybeck's family is has owned the
property for for quite a long time. Uh and they also uh own uh the abuing parcel to the north and the vacant lot to the east which we thought was going to be on today's meeting um but k got kicked to August 13th. Um so as I said
it's a demolition rebuild. The existing house um uh is within the flood plane. Also uh on a coastal bank meets the technical definition of a coastal bank under the wildlands protection act. I believe this
area was substantially regraded when the house was built. Um so the adjacent landform to the north of the house constitutes a coastal bank uh at this point in time. Um house is served by cesspools um because of the age uh and
the property never changing hands. Uh it was never upgraded. So, uh, part of the project is also to install a title five system, a new title five system, um, with IIA technology, uh, to to reduce, u
nutrients that, uh, and impact the pond. Um, as stated, part of the existing house is is within the the flood plane. Um the whole lower level of the house that's within the flood plane uh is
partly finished um and is used as living space. Uh because of the regulatory requirements uh that living space has to be given up because you can't have uh finished space uh within the flood plane. So there's a
loss of over a thousand square feet of of living space in the when we go forward with this project. Uh to mitigate some of that um we're showing an increase in the footprint of the building. Um
and I and I believe that the gross floor area of what's being proposed is less than what's what's there now. So there is some concessions being made on the loss of of living space due to this uh demo rebuild.
Um looking at the site coverage numbers obviously where we're increasing um in the 0 to 50 and the 50 to 100 and a lot of that is because we're moving the house back out of the flood plane. There's over 550 square feet of house
and deck uh that is being eliminated from the flood plane. Uh, another aspect of the project is that the existing driveway off of Taylor's Pond Road uh uh starts off above the flood plane but
then dips down into the flood plane when it comes onto the property. Uh because we're developing the uh adjacent lot at the same time, there's an opportunity to move that driveway out of the flood plane. Um
so the new driveway and parking areas will be totally outside the flood plane. Uh this gives us an opportunity to restore um the section of the Taylor's Pond Road Town Landing uh that's that the existing
driveway is within is in uh that area that's in the flood plane will be restored as part of this project. Um, as I stated, the title five system will have a IIA uh component to it. Uh, this
allows us to uh reduce the amount of nitrogen. Uh, Taylor's pond uh is a salt pond and is is susceptible to to nitrogen. Um
and um other aspects of the project are largely associated with access to the house uh access to the lower uh yard area and uh and we're also providing access uh from this property to the Rybeck
property to the north. Uh that's all on the landscape plan. Um is looking at the performance standards uh we are reducing uh site coverage or building coverage within the flood plane. Uh so there's a
there's a positive to that. Um as far as the coastal bank is concerned and the buffer zone of the coastal bank as I stated earlier um we believe that the the coastal bank is it was kind of created when the house was constructed. um back in I believe
the early 60s or late 50s. Um and so um we feel that uh because there's an a house between the subject property and the pond. The bank serves very little purpose uh
other than being a vertical buffer to storm uh coastal storms. Uh no matter where we site a house or how big the house is on the property uh that issue uh
can't be overcome uh because the bank goes through uh almost the middle of the property. Uh so we believe that the that there's no mitig not mitigation uh there's no
alternative that would have a less impact on the coastal bank. We're not encro encroaching any further to the existing bank to the north. the bank to the south is is quite a ways away and uh there will be no impacts certainly to
that bank but we're not altering the land form uh along that co existing coastal bank uh and so we believe that the structure itself will have no impact on the bank's ability
uh to to not allow it to continue as being a vertical buffer to storms So that's the engineering side of it. Uh Mike is here to talk about the landscaping. If you have any questions on on the engineered site plan, be happy to
answer them. I think let's hear everything and then we can go to questions. So thank you. Oh, Mike. Mike, you want to do your Yes. I'm sorry. Mike, you're muted. If it's possible for me to share my screen as
well while Mike presents, I'd appreciate it. Oh, good. Thank you, Rachel. No problem. Um, good afternoon. Mike Segan with Director and Sean with the landscape. Could you could you speak up a little bit? It's pretty late. I'm having the same problem with all the speakers. I don't know if it's something
that can be turned up here or it's your fault. Yeah, I don't normally have an issue, but um we are the landscape architects on the project team and with me is Rachel Meyer, who's running the controls and has worked with me on the project.
Um I'll be presenting the site mitigation and and planting plan for 22 Taylor's Palm Road, but as Dave mentioned for Coco Cove uh road with which has a garage is an integral part of the proposed plan. So we'd like to
start with this overall plan which combines both parcels um and were designed as one single cohesive landscape and then I will separate out the uh data for um in the
information uh for 22 Taylor um with the house uh well first of all the existing landscape immediately around 22 Taylor's pond road um is characterized by mostly non-native native ornamental plantings
and areas of maintained lawns. Uh with the house reconstruction and site improvements that Dave uh described, the almost the the entire really it's the entire parcel is going to be re rellandscaped, redone, rebuilt
with the new construction. Uh this mitigation plan proposes restoration and mitigation plantings in the form of native plantings and lawn reduction within the coastal bank and buffer zone in a basis. I think we lost you.
Mike, sorry you got muted, Mike. You're muted, Mike. It must have hit the button. Uh okay. the the the plan in that's proposed here has uh invasive species
management coastal uh uh bank and buffer zone planting uh totaling 3320 square feet and that's sort of the bottom number in the chart. I know Dave didn't go over the chart but this this information the statistics
were from uh Clark Engineering. The bottom line is that we're required with the additional impacts required uh to add uh I can there you go. Thanks Rachel. Um
approximately 32241 square feet. If you go over to the proposed mitigation area shown in the green color, uh that totals uh more than that, 3,320 square ft. It's made up of two uh
distinct areas. The darker green on the bottom is a native wildflower meadow uh with a focus on pollinator attracting plants, which is a a big focus of all our plans now. Um and uh the uh second
uh part of the mitigation area is a lighter green up top uh which is a native grass shrub meadow uh containing a number of species um that are some of them are in the coastal area few on the
northern part of the site or I say eastern part of the site um including uh Mayberry Frank sumac uh clethra and uh arrowwood viburnum. So that's the makeup
uh that is there as well. Um we are also uh proposing uh to uh locate an existing rail fence along the western property line. There's one there now. We're going to it's a
portion of that line. We're going to move it right over to the property line and extend it the full length uh along the property uh and along the mitigation area to clearly demarcate that area from the neighbors driveway and lawn um and
various plantings that are directly to the west of that. Um let's see now. Um the uh with the fence extended uh we'll also well I should mention there's a a native grass seated
path that's along that mitigation area that defines uh the mitigation area. Uh and we're going to provide markers along that that mark the um the mitigation extent. uh and whether those are
boulders or bards etc will will provide uh markings. Um the balance of the uh plantings uh as you move up around because the entire project essentially is in the 0
to 50 in the in the 50 to 100 foot uh regulated areas. um is uh native mostly native plant material. Uh as you move up first of all behind the reconstructed
house um adjacent to supporting the the efforts of the pollinator um plantings, but also moving up along the the north and south property lines. uh all native plants all around the
foundation and extending up uh around the garage as well. Um there are approximately um 3,320 square ft of that those areas. Um and that includes 512
square ft of mitigation in the town parcel where we've slightly uh realigned the driveway. Um there are 11 existing pine trees, two existing oak trees on both properties
that are flagged that have been flagged out in the field. Um uh that will be removed including the stumps in the and these are in the area. The proposed driveway, garage, a house uh construction and grading on the property. There were also three dead or
dying or badly damaged pines. if you've been out there up in the very northwest uh corner of the parcel. Uh those will be removed uh prior to us um uh installing the uh shrub uh meadow
area. Um so the overall there'll be a total of 25 native tree plantings um that will uh within the regulator that will replace the 13 trees that are
removed overall on the site. Um the existing uh driveway was also realigned and a lot of attention was to keep that out of the flood zone, but also to not to do it in
a way not to remove any trees in that front area. So there's a nice uh uh oak that's been preserved there and some pines. Um, so we went to great pains to to align that driveway to minimize any any further disturbance in the in the
town land as you come in uh to the parcel. Um, invasive species on the site will be managed or removed. Um, temporary irrigation will be required for the first two or three growing seasons. will
uh remove that uh after it's established and we we have a invasive species management plan that will be ongoing for the next uh three years as well. Um Rachel, if you can trying to move quick here because of the agenda, but if you
go to the next plan. Um I just wanted to uh go over just this the stats for the that's technically the application for uh uh 22 Taylor Road. Uh bottom right hand corner of the chart, this chart is
just for Taylor Road here. Um with the calculations that Clark Engineering provided, uh we're required to have 24,043 square ft of mitigation area. The light green shows the amount that is is in
that area just really for purposes of addressing the regulation of uh over that 2,96 square feet which is that shrub um in and meadow grass area. Um
the vast majority of plants at 22 Taylor's Pine Road are native species. Uh I do want to make a quick comment that um we did uh we have included n some native cultivars if you notice in the plant list um and in our
calculations. Uh typically we do that around the foundations of a house. This happens to be in the NDZ. Um and uh we understand now after submitted that that this commission does not consider native
species or the cultivars as native species. So uh we only have one cultivar that's in the NDZ. We will convert that to a native species to meet the 100% native requirement. And there's just a few plants in the 50 to 100 foot um
regulated area that need to be converted to achieve the minimum uh required 75% for native species. So I I wanted to make that comment ahead of time uh that we'll make that adjustment. Um the uh
again in the in the uh Taylor pond um parcel uh there are six pines and one oak to be removed. Uh and those three dead or dying or very poorly in poor condition trees pines in up in the upper
northwest corner. and we're replacing uh the uh nine trees to be removed with 15 uh native trees. Next, Rachel, this is um
the portion that's for Coco Cove Road that I think will be formally presented. Um just so you can see where how it fits into the master plan portion. Um the amount of required for mitigation is 1,00
um 98 square ft and we just earmarked for purposes of meeting the regulation uh 1,24 square ft uh which is the size of that uh wildflower meadow uh in the
med mitigation area in this particular parcel um which just kind of pokes into the couple review area. Um there are three pines and one existing oak that
need to be removed and there are 10 native species tree species that will replace the four that need to be removed. Next Rachel. So I tried to move quick here, but that includes an overview that both the
combined site plan and the two individual parcels that were um really designed as as I mentioned as one cohesive landscape. uh compared to the existing property with very little native vegetation and large areas of
maintained lawn. The proposed plan is a significant improvement from an environmental or ecological perspective with much uh more um uh diverse landscape that is dominated by many new native plantings that have been
proposed. So that concludes my my end of this presentation for access. Okay. Thank you. Um, one thing I mean I have two uh mitigation and planting plans. One includes the Cocoal Cove Road. I'm
assuming that the one that is just labeled 22 Taylor's Pond is the one we should be using for this NOI. Am I correct? Correct. Okay. And then just so you know, for the
Kako Cove, which I believe we hear at the next meeting, we'll need a separate plan for that one so that we can tell what mitigation goes with which property.
Yes. And I I believe I just I just presented that and and it will be more formally dealt with. It's been submitted to save time next time. Um, and so I assume all the notes that are on the 22
Taylor's Pond Road mitigation, they seem to be the same. And I was checking as you were talking. Um, this Well, I guess they aren't the same. No. Okay, good. So, there's really eight
pine trees and one oak that are coming out of Taylor's Pond, and that's it. Correct. Not because the other one says 11 and two. So I'm assuming the other that's for the total partial.
Okay. That's for both. I just wanted to make sure. Um and then before I hand it over to everybody, I I'm a little confused on the uh the one that's marked sewage disposal system plan, which I think is
also the site plan. Yep. even though it says it's just the disposal plan. Um, you say in the 50 to 100 that the proposed work is covering 75%
of the outer aura. Yes. Oh, that's now that number includes the roof overhang. Um, so that's part I was going to ask about this on under zoning where we're including
it. Um, and and that's a significant number for this project. Um, the difference between the building wall footprint and the roof overhang is 572 square feet. Okay, this one says the dwelling pern
roof in the outer aura is 294 square ft. So, that's I'm having trouble figuring out the 75% going from 30% to 75%. I'm thinking it's
mostly driveway, but your driveway number isn't significantly more than what exists. So, how are we getting to 75? Um, well, the it the walkways, the
walls. Yeah. But the total of existing is 792 square feet. The Yeah, the total for the proposed is 1953.
So yeah, you are increasing by,200 and that's going to put you up 45%. It all adds up. Yeah. All right. Yep. I can I can get you the number that excludes the roof overhang. Um I think because the roof overhang isn't
really something at least I I haven't dealt with since I've been on the commission. So I don't know. Um typically on a house roof overhangs 18 in more or less and we never count that. Um but in our zoning bylaw if it exceeds what's it two feet
two feet it now becomes part of the building footprint right in which we have to dimensional setbacks in building coverage. That's why we included it. Um, but in in reality, it's it's it's not what's occupying the ground.
Okay. But you said how what's the square footage? So, what would it equal? 572. That's he said he will. So, 572 square ft of the building coverage number is the roof overhang.
But I don't What would that reduce it to? So, but I don't subtract 600 from the from the No, but most of that seems to be in the 0 to 50 because that number is total with the roof 2480 in the 50 to 100.
It's only 294 square ft. So, it'll be a proportion. So, it's not going to make a huge difference. I mean, I would rather see it the coverage without this roof part because that the other reason why that number is high is that we're moving the building out of
the flood plane with 5 and I get it. I right now I was just questioning the 75% because we have our regs say 35% coverage and that is significantly
higher. So, I'm trying to justify going that high and I'm just trying to figure that out. So, the the other thing to look at along those lines is is that the lot itself is uh let me find the number here. Extremely small.
It's almost totally in the well is is 11,700 square feet. Um, and of that number, 2500 square f feet or so is the 50 to 100, right?
So, we're we're going to be in one area or the other. Oh, yeah. And so, uh, like I said, we're trying to get it away from the flood plane as much as possible, right? And they and the entire lot
uh is within the aura or the flood plane, right? So there's just no place to go. Oh, no, no, I get it. I've just Yeah. You know, it's a huge number percentage wise. So, I'm going to turn it over to everybody else and then I'll get to if I
if you're not asked. I want to follow up on that because this is so confusing. Well, that's one of the problems with using a percentage is it's a huge percentage, but it's a very small lot and it's a small area on the lot. Well, on that point, okay,
so these are two lots, right? We have uh the the Taylor's Pond and the Cole Cove lot. Are they going to be So, they've been under common ownership. No, they're not. Not. Will they be? No. Oh. Oh.
So because they can't be you'll have to come up to a mic if if you're going to speak unfortunately. Sorry. So yeah. So this is either that or let one of them answer that part. It's particular. It's just difficult to
to parse this with only dealing with the Taylor's pond today and holding up on the Cochal Cove. Um most of the impact on the Cochal Cove side of things is outside of our jurisdiction. So, you know, I'm trying to figure out what difference it would make. It would make
a huge difference if they were combined. Suddenly, the the percentages would all be well within I would suspect within our requirements. But that's not going to that's a that's a legal change that would take a while perhaps to to work out. So
yeah, there there are uh structural uh bylaw issues that would prevent the project from moving forward if we combine the lots. Okay, that's fine. Just wanted to just just that's part of the reason that that I'm struggling with it is that yes, the Taylor's pond lot is very constricted.
It's all in regulated area. That's not true for the coco, but that's just what we've got. The stairs that are proposed next to the tapered retaining wall, where do they go to? Yeah, that's a great question. I'm sorry. What was
the stairs? There was a proposed stairway next to the tapered tapering retaining wall on the east side of the house kind of between the guest house and the main house. So, the Rybeck family also owns the house to the north. That's what I figured.
So, we're we're providing access. Okay. And that's is there a path right where that path is? A walkway. There was a walkway over there, but it's closer to I think it's in a different spot. These stairs the existing structure. Yeah, it's a little bit farther to the
west, but we would make that connection. I'm sorry. Okay. But part So, but none of that is within this the legal description of this parcel. So it would not be relevant for this
matter. Okay. Just just just struck me. Okay. Um I'm going to go back and look at my questions with all of that in mind. Let somebody else ask. Anybody? I have a few, but I was hoping others.
All right. The rinse station. Now you've heard my my whole thing with rinse stations and NDZ. And there it is again. So, is there any way to move it
closer to the 50 line? I mean, where is it? It's north and it's it's below that first zigzag retaining wall. Yeah. Know, we can see it. Could you move it? I didn't see that
to the east. I'm assuming the north is what I'm looking at. So, that's east. Yeah. Okay. Um it's right next to the AC. Um and then because you have so much coverage,
is there any way that the driveway, which is a large part of your coverage, the way I see it, um at least what I'm reading, can we cut that down? That
would help with your numbers. Just a thought. Uh I have something to say when you're done. Yeah, go ahead. We um Mr. Ryback, who's present today, has limited mobility,
right? Uh but we'll be happy to look at that to see what we can do uh providing make sure he has adequate uh access uh but also see if we can reduce that area. Yeah, it just it seems like it's very
wide going to the other Kako Cove lot and it's very wide the east side of it which is I think over the whatever that is. Um
I assume that that's the septic. Yeah. Leech field. Um it just if we could the if there are ways to cut something back that would be that's one spot that I think something material.
I haven't I haven't even gotten there. Thank you. We're talking about driveway. Part of that Mike Segan would be dealing with, but we'll we'll review that with him as well. Okay. And what material is the driveway?
I didn't see it in the notes or anything that said is it? Yeah. So, Mike, what material is the driveway, Mike? Yeah. It's a a drylaid uh copper material that should be pvious. The
joints will be a little wider to make it pvious. Um, the existing driveway is an asphalt rolled gravel. So, it's a from an infiltration point of view, it's a big improvement over that existing
driveway. Okay. Thank you. Anybody else? Eric? Yeah. U moving the house back um was a nice mitigation. um if you subtract the overhang and then half the house
um to figure the adding I mean 500 square feet is not hu it's not a big on the structure um if you remove the square footage of the overhang that's out of the 50 and then also if you remove the increase of the house
that's out of the 50 and subtract it off this it might look a little better But on on the stairway, wouldn't it which one? Uh the stairway going to the to the house in the north it to reduce some of the square footage
impervious. Why can't you have the stairway further um it would be west where the other one was and then you wouldn't have to have two walls um lining each side of the stairway to go to the house in the north. You you
would you just have a you know a gentle stairway. It's almost it's a nice incline where where it used to be more to the corner, you know, to the uh let's say the norththeast corner was kind of a little bit west of that the original and
and just have a stairway there and then you I think you would reduce a lot of square footage on impervious. We can look at that. I mean, but the way they've developed uh the landscape plan, the only thing I the reason why I'm saying that, Bill, is because I I'm
getting the feel that, you know, there's little concern about the amount of uh percentage uh you're using up uh the 50 to the 100. Um that's the sense I'm getting, you know. Um
it's good sense. Uh I'm just trying to figure out ways I'm just trying to figure out ways that you could still function uh uh with the mobility issue and then reduce some a lot of square. Well, not a lot, but it it'll be a
pretty good chunk that you reduce. Then you wouldn't need two walls on either side of the stairway going up. You only need one and that's to to maintain the garage end of it. That's what you're calling it. Apartment um dwell. Okay. Now, yeah, we'll we'll look at it.
Okay. Anyone else? U uh are you going to have any formal lawn areas? Mike, that's a question for you. Uh no. Um we've pretty much especially
on 22 Taylor Road partial, we've eliminated pretty much all the lawn. There's a sort of a native lawn with a a lot of fescue for that three- foot wide path just to get around the house. And that'll be a really
roughly mowed uh not on a regular basis on a just just again to provide access around the house and uh to the back uh planted areas, native areas. Um, so there's almost no
lawn and that's sort of one of the reasons why the driveway is as big as it is right now. When there's uh gatherings, people park on the lawn because there's a lot of, you know, maintained lawn around the house. Um,
and uh, Taylor's Palm Road is not a good road to park on as well. So, um, just a little background of why why it's the size it is. They also park uh the boat uh in that area as well in the fall and
winter time. So it's it's also to accommodate that as well. Okay. How about uh uh permanent irrigation around the plantings. The intent is is just to irrigate on a temporary basis for two to three years
um and then remove the irrigation once the plants are established. So, no drip irrigation or anything like that. That That's not the intent. I I didn't think the the regulations allowed that, right? No. Exactly. Yeah.
Okay. Uh in the mitigation area, um you want to cut down some pines. Uh actually, there are three pines, a 10 in, a 4 inch, and a six inch. Six inch. Uh what's the rationale to to
remove those? If I showed you a picture of them, I don't know if you were out there. Um if I showed you a picture of them, uh you would understand why. They're they look like uh they were covered by bittersweet
or some vine and the vine was removed and that's what was left. Um there there's one. I think that's the better the better looking one. Um but they're in very very poor condition and
mostly dead. Yeah. Was Was there any thinking about um just uh cutting the tops off and just just leaving this uh the trunks? Well, that would be attractive.
It is for the wildlife. Yeah, I know people have to live there, too. Well, it can be screened, but snags have great value. This This is the area where the the meadow shrub meadow is going to be. So, um
we we certainly could do that. I I Yeah. Um the top living part, Mike, we'll discuss it with Dean's family. Yeah, sure. Thank you. Anybody else? Wait, I think he's still Bob. Are you
done? I I think so for now. Thank you. So, following up the the two the 16inch oak and the 18 in 16inch pine to the south side of
the garage guest area. Why are they slated for removal? Are they on the co property? No. Uh yeah. No, they are they are like okay this is
okay we have to wait that's why yeah thank you thank you might want to think about them yes you may want to think about those for the next meeting for the next property
next time anything else Janet um That's it. Anything? Anybody? Elise, Paul? All mine were hit. Okay. So,
anything, Eric? Um, seems we have a lot of things that you're going to discuss with them. Um, including Oh, I do have one more. I don't believe oak leaf hydrangeas are
native. They're not. And you have 53 of those. I'm hoping that those are some of what you're planning to remove from the next plan. Did you hear that, Mike? I believe I Yeah, I did. I believe oak
leaf is on your list of native hydration. Let me put I couldn't find it on the one list that um we provide on our site. Certainly not pee-wee oak leaf. Yeah. And pee-wee cultivar. Yeah. The culivars and there's quite a
few of them and I understand why. But at the same time, we have to follow our regs. Um yeah. So we're going to get have that looked at. You're taking out the cultivars. Um, you
are evaluating the stairs to the north and whether right they can be moved. Evaluating whether you can cut back the drive and if you would um specify the material either in the notes or on the
plan that would be terrific. I'd also love it if you could add the word and site plan and sewage disposal plan so we know it's site as well. Um you're going
to look at the where the rinse station is. You're going to take out the roof overhang for the calculations. Um and consider snags. Uh, and maybe in the notes if Mike if you could put that um
there will be no permanent irrigation anywhere. Um, I would appreciate it even though that's in our ranks and we don't allow it. It's always nice to have it on the plan. Anybody we do we Yes, we do state that on the
plan just so you know. Okay, you do. I didn't I hadn't checked. I just figured since it was just brought up. Perfect. Uh, does anybody have anything I missed? All right. So, we obviously need to continue this and you're going to ZBA on
the 28th of August. I have down if I hope that's correct. That's correct. Okay. So, um, can you squeeze us in somewhere? September 10. Well, we I mean, doesn't make a huge
amount of difference. I mean, if you want to appear the 27th, but then we're not going to have an order, you know, if everything were set. Well, we wouldn't want an order on the 27th, right? You wouldn't get an order on the 27th, but you still you wouldn't have
one until September anyway. But, um, do you want to meet before ZBA or do you want to wait until after? More meeting them before ZBA. Well, we we have substantial questions. It seems to me that we have to discuss with the family,
right? That's why you would like it would like to know hopefully at the end of our next meeting that it's approvable. It's approvable and and so if we could do it on the on on the 27th,
you know, that would be great. Okay. Is the do you is the ZBA hearing on both parcels or just 22? Just 22. Okay. Yeah, there's no zoning issue on the
Yeah. Only thing I'll say about the 27th is that we right now we're pretty open and hopefully we can keep it down to a minimum, but if it gets too heavy, we're going to have to limit time. Well, what we'll do is right, we'll we'll discuss these things with
the family and we'll get uh try to get submit something well in advance of that meeting. Perfect. Okay. And I do appreciate that you did already um apply to ZBA. So, thank you because that does make our life a little bit easier in figuring out
future. So, thank you very much on that. Um if we could have a motion. Yeah, I move that we continue 22 Taylor Road to August 27th. Uh second. Bob, I Eric I. Paul, I Janet I.
And I say I. Thank you very much. See you the 27th. Thank you. Hey, Paul W. Thank you, M. Next on the agenda is uh 91 Gillis Road. It's a notice of intent.
Katherine and Billy uh Kyle map 4B, parcel 3, CG4, the EP number SC 103738. The applicants propose to remove and relocate an existing family dwelling off the property and rebuild a new dwelling,
install new title 5 innovative IIA system and all associated landscaping mitigation restoration plings, grading and impertinances. It's a new application. It needs EBA. The applicants requested a continuence to August 13, 2025. Great. I move that we continue 91 Gillis Road
to August 13, 2025. Second. Okay. Elise I Janet Hi Paul hi Eric I Bob Hi and I say I okay the next Paul W. Uh, next on the agenda, madam chair is another north 10 easy of easy street.
Hope this is going to be easy. Easy street association. No map and parcels listed SC 10 3745 proposed reconstruction of existing permanent beach access stairs. There's a new application. No ZBA required. And you have a memorandum from Katherine
Ricks the coast. Yes, I have that and I will read it after you do your presentation. So, thank you. Thank you. For the record, Mark Burgess of Shorefront Consulting. Paul, no, I'm just Never mind. Go ahead. That's to get the plan up.
Oh, okay. He likes to wave to them. I can wait then. And you want No, you can go ahead. Okay. Thank you. Um, yes. So, I've I was involved in this project over 10 years ago when uh they had the beach nourishment and fiber rolls for shorefront protection and all of that.
the applicants have continued a very good stewardship of the property and nourished it and all of that. We got a certificate of compliance for for the nourishment work about maybe last year sometime. Um so all that's behind us and
at the time we had asked for like administrative approval of the stairs to replace them and it it came back as a notice of intent. So that's the meaning of my presence today. Um so the it's really it's actually really simple. The
stairs are being replaced in kind in the same footprint. There are some rocks at the base um that during the COC application we promised that they would be removed and they are in this application now to remove them. The
stairs will just have to be angled a little bit differently to reach the beach in the same footprint seagull's view if you will overhead view. Um, Stello Construction is teed up to do this work and um,
that really is that's that's it. Just replacing them in the same footprint. The um, there was a comment letter from Katherine which I can address if you have questions. Sure. But I will read it into the record first. Okay. So, are you all set?
Okay. So, Katherine did send us a letter and pertaining to this project. It says, "I have reviewed the plans for the proposed replacement of the stairs in kind at the end of Easy Street Chatam. The beach access stairs are proposed to be replaced in kind with no change to
design. The rocks that were placed within the coastal beach are proposed to be removed. The existing stairs are also against the coastal bank with no room for light below for any chance of vegetation. The existing stairs are permanent and impacted by storm waves
and storm tides. I would recommend elevated stairway to allow for beach grass to grow. There is beach grass just adjacent to the stairs to the east which can migrate through the property if the stairs are not obstructing the migration. I also recommend that the
stairs are seasonal, removed over the winter when there is greater chance of coastal storms and impacts to the structures along the shoreline. Seasonal stairs remove the potential for storm debris as well as reduce the wear and tear of the stairs and maintenance for
the owners. The elevation and seasonal aspects of the stairs could lead to a greater chance for vegetation along the bank which assists in the stability of the bank as well. So that was her comments and now if you would comment on that
her comments. Yes, I'd be happy to. Um first the the stairs were they were permitted as permanent and there was there's no um no request to make them to seasonal. The applicant lives there year round and he wants access to the beach
year round. Uh the current stairs have been there for quite a while. So whatever I mean like decades. So that while they are exposed to some storm wave energy or high tides as such, they've endured that to the point that
they're now just no longer usable. Uh so they're they're proposed to be replaced in kind same function with no no change in that uh respectfully. The nur ongoing nourishment is placed under is placed along the whole bank and
under the stairs and the stairs are elevated. It's just that the same the nourishment is nourished up to the stairs so that it's right and right under them. They could change, you know, to not put as much nourishment under the stairs if you wish. Uh I think that, you
know, that's a reasonable solution, but the stairs are proposed to be elevated. If if a storm comes by and removes all that sand, which it does almost every year, but about every other year, then I mean those posts are going the posts are
going six feet in the ground and the stairs are like six feet above that at the at the top of the bank. So, it is designed as an elevated staircase. It's just that it's the nourishment is nourished up to the stairs, not the stairs pushed down onto the the ground,
if that makes sense. Um, there is some beach grass next door. It's a different property and beach grass hasn't migrated to the site, I'm assuming, because it gets eroded and renourished. So, any plantings on the face of this, and there's pictures in the file, but uh any
plantings on the face of this sand aren't going to be around long enough to get established. And beach grass takes what, three years. I don't think this site's ever survived three years without needing reourishment. So, it's a great idea, but um it this the stuff that is
working is on another property next door. And that was it. Elevation, beachrass, and permanent, I believe. Thank you. Thank you. Anybody have any questions, comments? Yeah, I'll go. Um I I believe if it was
originally permitted to be permanent, I think you have every right to do it. Um the I know it's not part of this, but when do you plan on nourishing that bank? And again, I know that the beach grass doesn't take it's impossible, but is there is there a time where you're going to is is I know it's not connected
this, but I'm going to ask it anyway. When is the next scheduled nourishment of the bank? I think it's um I don't have the COC in my head, but I believe it's now based on a it's always been based on a trigger point. Well, it's triggered. I mean, it's pretty triggered right now. Oh, really?
Yeah. I was just out there like two weeks ago. Well, it's pretty pretty eroded if if you're looking at the water on the right hand side. It's right up to the pretty much right up to the bank. Um, but any case, I'm sure you'd probably do it each year. You probably have to do it once a year
just about. This past year was the first year in a while that I remember. I wasn't involved in the in the reourishment, but they basically plan on doing it every year. They got they got by this year without having to do it. And so it's different than the pictures that I took in the file now.
I was there. I was there with Paul and I mean it was there was a lot of scarping going on in that banking. I mean it was pretty it was hit pretty hard. Okay. Well and nature has done something since I was there last. Well um anyway I'm sure you're going to nourish it. Um
yeah that's an ongoing condition as part of the certificate of compliance. Now, the third thing I wonder is is who was using a chipper, a a a golf club and and hitting balls in the water. Yeah, there's a big bucket.
There's a big bucket of balls. And you wouldn't want to leave that there when you know we're coming to do a No, that's not a good idea. You're not a good idea. I have I have no I have no idea. Well, someone is there's a whole but there's a whole basket and the club is still sitting there leaning against the fence. So obviously I mean that's that's
I mean for someone that is is lives right there wants to nourish it and and and do the right thing and they're hitting golf balls in the water. I mean it just doesn't make any sense to me. I'm with you. I I have I I have no idea. Um we can I certainly mention it to uh
to the applicant. There's three or four people that that are that Well, one of the four Yeah, one of the four is a golfer apparently. Um, I will I will talk to them. I promise. Okay. Thank you.
What's that? So, I just want to follow up with with why is this site different? Is it particularly vulnerable to to storm activity that beach grass which we see planted on on steep dunes all over the place and do a fairly good job because
their root systems are so long of holding it rather than having constant renourishment and it's a barren bank when there's beach grass on the other side that's growing very well. Yeah, they that's why they have to do it every year for uh for the history that I
know on that. Um it's just it just gets battered on that side of the stairway. I mean the other ones weird the other side does okay. Yeah. But the sand just doesn't stay. And of course the beach grass they've tried it and it just gets washed away when they try it. I agree. I think
the angle of the shoreline for the property next door is more of a glancing blow whereas it starts to bend around on this site. So it gets more of a direct direct hit. It's just always been that way. That was the reason for doing the fiber roll project 10 10 plus years ago.
That's the stones. Anybody else? I got a Yeah. So the So this this bank here, does this have fiber rolls? Mhm. It does. Yep. But yet it erodess a lot faster than the
other one adjacent to it. Yeah. I'm just wondering if you added a little bit more fiber rolls and planted beach grass around those stairs, would it would the beach grass hold? And then No, because so the fiber rolls are the
what I call the second line of defense. The fiber rolls are buried and the reason they're there is so that if or we know when all the nourishment gets taken away that further erosion doesn't happen behind them. So, you have
to keep fiber rolls covered anyway. That's the only way they really survive long term, which they have. Um, so adding more fiber rolls that are that are still buried isn't going to help the chance of of any beach grass growing there. It's too active a site.
And you by planting beach grass, you don't think it's going to survive? It the the sand would have to stay untouched for about three years. And even then, the next storm would still probably just wipe it all out. When were these pictures taken?
Um, I took those. Sometimes I put the date at the bottom. So, you see all the nourishment is nice and even. Mhm. Yeah, that's why I was asking you. Yeah, I took I took those pictures when I um before I just before I filed. So, they're as recent as I've ever been
there. And those are the stones that are going to be removed. So it looks much different. When did you file again? Few weeks. Yeah. Uh yeah, they they do. Yeah. Two and a half weeks ago, right? Yeah. It must have got hammered um
sometime on the storm. I mean, it's it's hit pretty hard. Yeah. Huh. Okay. Well, Mother Nature at her best work. When did I file? Uh July 8th. I filed. So I those those pictures were probably
taken them a week before that. Huh. Okay. I haven't been to other than the certificate of compliance a year ago. I haven't been to the site in 10 years. I So I have one more question. Go ahead. I have one more question. Mark, um I
noticed in the in the uh two things that you say in the in the narrative got my attention. One is that the stones were placed there because the elevation of the beach had dropped. Do you have any idea what's causing that? I mean, if you have all this sand on this calming down, you wouldn't expect an
elevation drop. Sometimes mother nature takes more than what you put out there. And if they hadn't been nourishing all these years, then it would be even lower. But yeah, that was the reason the And what's funny is I measured the marsh and it's was surveyed, but I measured the marsh and
it has not changed in in the 10 years since I've been here. So they it hasn't increased, but it hasn't decreased. And it's exactly the same distance from the shoreline. And I know that's sensitive to beach elevation, but that's about 16 feet away from the marsh, the base of
the stairs. And so the the beach looks like it dropped in that in that area. And that's what they needed the stones to instead of jumping off the end. But we're going to fix that. Or well, Stella is going to fix it. I'm I'm not doing I'm not banging any
hammers. Okay. Anything else? So, what I'm hearing is that since it's permanent, it is permanent. And he wants to use this all year long that
you do not support the suggestion from Catherine that it be seasonal. Um, what is I know you're replacing the stairs in kind. It's going to be wood.
Yeah. I told in the plan I think I said 6x6 post this time to make sure it's robust. Okay. Um, certainly seems as though please ask him to get the bucket of balls and the club out of there. I promise.
Um, I we will be putting in that they shouldn't be there and you shouldn't be hitting balls into the water. Um, you said you don't think fi more fiber rolls work. Um, it seems the beach grass isn't going to work.
Yeah, the sand is over the fiber rolls. So, yeah. Um, and that this quote unquote is an elevated stairway, but the but the plan doesn't show it that way. No, the the I agree. View of the plan shows it sitting at grade. I agree because those were the
conditions when I was there. Right. But there doesn't it in kind doesn't mean that you have to repeat something that may or may not be scroll down Paul to below down to where there you go. No. Yeah, that's it. Right. Because those were the elevations at the time of the survey, right?
Which is what I have to report. But if you're not going to plant anything under there, is there any reason to elevate them other than to obviate the risk that they get swallowed by? Well, the idea is to leave them where they are so that you
can continue to nourish underneath them. They wouldn't. So, we hadn't we hadn't proposed any change right up to the stairs. So, how are you nourishing underneath them? Because it's right up to the stairs. Yeah. I think the nourishment goes under the stairs, too. I mean, they can push it.
Oh, you're saying if it erodess. Yeah. If it leaves. Okay. Yeah. The idea is that just keep doing exactly what they've been doing all all these years. Yeah. You dump it over the hill and you shovel it. I get that. We normally require that they be elevated and planted beneath, but there's no planting on top of these
fiber rolls. Um, no, this is a rare instance where I guess we didn't require it at the time. Well, a lot of fiber roll projects you you'll see them covered with maybe a veneer. Yes. And then planted and then of course the area above planted. That wasn't the way
this project was. The previous project was designed. It was, as I say, the fibbrals were your second line of defense. So that when that sand left, right, it wouldn't take more of the bank. So you'd be planting underground. I mean, it's just the way this particular project works.
I understand this one is unique. Thank you. Um although is is it you have top of the bank and bottom of the bank at the same point. Just don't think that's Can you scroll up? Well, no. There's a Well, there's
in up there the two reds on the right side. Top of bank, bottom of bank are both pointing to Oh, well, okay. Bottom of bank eroded down. So, when it's eroded, it's vertical. Okay. So, this is I know the top of the bank kind of stays
unless unless the top of the bank gets eroded, it kind of stays there all the time. Right. Right. But the bottom of the bank is going to move back and forth as it erodess. So, that that's why it's like that. If you um if you saw the pictures from when this from 10 years ago, it was vertical.
So that that was the reason for that. The one that has the grasses in it. Yeah. A little unique. I agree. I just it it hits me as illogical that we wouldn't try to plant something to to protect that bank. And I don't I'm looking at the picture
from 10 year is that the 10 year ago? Uh this was with COC. So this was no 2023 to not try because that bank is just a bare bunch of sand that's ready to go down the hill and and go back and back and
back. It does. It's it's against my thought process that we wouldn't try to plant something there and see if it took. I understand. And as Mr. Hilbert pointed out, the sand's already gone from when I was there weeks ago.
I'll go back there on my way on my way home and take a look. It's a cliff. It's scared really hard. Wow. Would Would not an erosion control blanket on top of that sand help to keep it? You can try. You're not going to really
stop the water, but you can, you know, you could try or do an experiment. do under the stairs and maybe four or five feet, you know, uh uh south of the stairs and try a patch and see how it holds up. But looks to me like it just
gets washed away every year and you just re re refurbish it with sand every year. Yeah. If the sand I've seen this done done before, that's all. Yeah. But you could try you could try an area go under the stairs and go four or five feet, you know, down the, you know, off the
stairs and see how it works. It's not that hard. Hear it looking. Yeah, I get it. Um, if you do a blanket or anything like that, how would you anchor it? Because when the when nature removes that sand, it's all going out to sea with Oh, yeah. Then you blanket on the on the
beach. Yeah. With the staples and the blanket and everything you put there, it's just going to all get all get washed out. Well, without the blanket, you could try, you know, since they're, you know, compromising on the stairs, maybe you can just beach grass under the stairs and other stuff,
you know, and try see how it work, you know, just do an experiment, see how it goes. And if it washed away, you can say, "Here, I told you." So, that's why we can't do it everywhere, you know. I mean, it doesn't cost that much. Yeah. I mean, we could, but that's not unfair. I mean, they're just we I think we both know what's going to
happen, but sometimes I feel a little bit that's that that's what I could say rather than doing the whole bank. Yeah. You know, try to you see how it goes. All right. So well I think the question of whether whether there's anything further to be
done to control the erosion of the bank and whether planting or is what was asked and answered when we issued the COC for that fiber roll project. I mean we we didn't require it. Oh, I don't know that you whoever there must have
been good sense and I understand that this is a unique property that uh Well, you could require it under the stairs because you're putting a new stairway in. You could. Yeah. But not on the rest of the It would be a good good experiment to see how it goes.
So, do we want him to come back with a plan that has shows us that that's what they're going to do and approve that and say then we can go to an order? Or do we say we can
go to an order with hopefully a new plan coming in, which it should before the order is is dealt with and then we can continue. I think we we definitely I I
don't want to ignore what Katherine said and I don't want to ignore what we have always done. So I I think we could go to move it to an order like for September
and you know September 10th and you get us a new plan before that that reflects that there's going to be beach grass under it and it's going to be elevated more than it's elevated now because it's right up against everything.
Well, let me rephrase. I wouldn't I don't want to change the elevation of the stairs because they match the top and the bottom of the bank. What we want to do is reduce the amount of nourishment underneath, right? Or backwards. Exactly. Well, what I'm saying is so there's space so that it truly is an elevated stairway.
18 an elevated stairway that we see is sitting on sand. Yep. Let's not forget the surveillance team. Watch for the bucket of uh balls. So, and if you'd put a note saying that there there will be no golf
balls and clubs and hitting into water. Um, well, I don't want to put that on the plan, but you can put it. No, we'll put it in the order you're going to put it. So, we could go to an order on September 10th if you'd like. Karen, can I say one more thing? Yes.
I'm reading the original approved order of conditions and special condition number one. All disturbed areas are to be permanently reveated as soon as possible during and after construction. There's no vegetation. What order is that? So why was it494
order for the stairway? There must have been vegetation there at some point if that's special condition number one. So my brain tells me I I don't I don't know. We need vegetation. It bothers me that we're not going to
even try to do vegetation. Right. So I think that's what he said is that he has to come back with that plan. Okay. But I think we can go to an order on September 10th and if you would get that into us indicating that beach grass will go underneath and you know some of the
nourishment will be taken out. So it truly is a an elevated stairway. Is everybody good? All right. Well or elevate the stairway. I don't know if that makes sense to take out the nourishment under there. Now you have a dip underneath that bank.
That's why I said elevate. But he said that changes everything for Yeah, cuz the top of the stairs meets the level portion of the bank. If I raise it up, now you got stairs up to go over and down. That's just a mess and
it's a much larger taller structure. So I mean Mr. Hilbert has eluded easy does it. Now you're in trouble. I'm not thr there's no bus. There's no bus in the room. Don't worry. Um he's alluded to the fact that mother nature's
already lowered it in that area. So we can you know we can say that the area under the stairs and these can all be covered with conditions. The area under the stairs shall shall maintain no more than or no le no more than 18 inches of clearance or
at least Yeah, it will maintain at least 18 inches of clearance underneath. We'll plant like a five foot strip. Is that okay? And I'm I'll just show you a little detail of some some juke. What is the current width? About 30 in it looked like. Is that the stairs are narrow? They're not your average. They're not narrow. I mean, they are
narrow. So 24 to 30. I thought about 30. Yeah, I might have drawn them three feet on the plan. If we could go three feet, that would be cool. Great. But it's that in kind. Well, you're Yeah, you're in kind. So whatever they are in kind, so you can't in the same footprint.
They look like about 32 in step. Yeah, you you can't change. Okay. They've used them for 30 years. We'll just keep doing it. It's in kind. Otherwise, we get into now you've got more coverage and right, you you're opening a can of worms, right?
So to speak. So, all right, we will go for an order on the 10th. You will get something into us as soon as possible. And um we will you know once the order is written before
that we will send it to you and we'll see how that goes. Is September September 10th is outside of any 21 days right? How how come it's so long to do it? We only have two meetings a month
and our next meeting is August 27th. Um I mean we've already got you don't close it tonight then. No we don't close we don't close them until we approve the order. Ah okay that's when the the issue is that we already have I
think now five orders for the 27th and that's quite a bit as well as many properties and at this point we're probably limiting time on that day. Yeah I I And I don't think you want the
time limited. So, we're trying to give everybody their their time to discuss and deal with things and so we're we're working on making this work. Is that work for you? Yeah. Now I understand why I do. Okay.
Sure. So, I'll I'll give you a revised plan that shows like a five foot width with some jute and staples and plant and grass planting and right go for it and see what happens. Thank you. Great. Thank you. So, okay. I move that we continue end of Easy Street to September 10th, 2025 for
an order of conditions. Second. All right. Elise, I Janet I. Paul. Hi. Eric. I. Bob. I. And I say I. Okay. Paul W. Next. Okay. I'll just read the next one which is a continuence and then I've already put up the coal COC. Uh 325 Foxhill
Road, Eastwood Hoe, map 10M-2-1. DP number SC 103742. The project is proposed ADA accessibility and landscape improvements. The project is to include ADA accessibility ramps, retaining wall, patio drainage improvements, and
mitigation plantings. This is a new application and the applicants requested a continuence to August 13, 2025 because they need uh CBA approval pursuant to THAAD Eldridge's new bylaw, which he wasn't aware of. And hopefully they will apply before the
13th. Yeah, I believe you're right on it. So, okay. If we can have a motion, I move that we continue 325 Foxhill Road to August 13th, 2025. Second. Okay. Bob, I Eric I Paul I Janet
I and I say I. Thank you, Madam Chair. The last item on the agenda before the minutes and adjournment will be 170 Cole Cove Road. This is a request for a COC. Uh the applicant is living trust AGMT and Myra
C carrier map 4D parcel 55-T10 D number SC10 1294 the proposed doc this is for a proposed uh dock uh which the order went out in 1995. The
D approved it in 2006 I believe and it was recorded within six months. Um the applica I went out and visited it. The application is complete. This is just a very old um Are you planning to rebuild this or something or No. Okay.
I think they're going to list the property at some point, but maybe I shouldn't have said that. Okay. Um having said that, I don't know how many saw it, but um it this is the only thing we have in the file that shows what was supposed to be
constructed. There's no plan in the uh uh order. So, this is the 91 filing. We've got a floating dock, 3x 26, and 90 ft of steps. And there is no actually the float's not out there, is it Mark? I don't believe there's no float,
but it was approved with a float. And there's an 8 in fixed um excuse me, 8 foot fixed dock. Um it's pretty old. Um I would recommend approval unless someone has an objection to it. Um there wasn't much in the order to go by. They
had to raise it up to get people to be able to walk underneath it which is a standing condition for the 91. Second. Okay. Elise I Janet I Paul I Eric I Bob I and I say I. Okay. We move on to minutes.
Yeah. Thank you madam chair. Last on the agenda before German is minutes to be approved for June 11th 2025 and June 25th 2025. Thank you. Thank you Mark. Okay. And of course I closed it out. Um
I think everybody was in attendance. So all we need to know is does anybody have any modifications to anything to either of them? I got a question on uh 28 Stson Cove Road. Which minutes? Which minutes?
Uh June 11th. Okay. I got a question. Uh there are a sentence reads there are only two seeders being removed. All others are white popppler. So they're actually cutting down a couple of cedars. I thought they're going to save a couple of cedars.
There are two dead cedars. Two dead ones. They're not removed. Okay. Okay. And then on 27 say dead here so that it's clear. Okay. Okay. I'm pretty much dead anyway. Uh 27 Stson Cove Road. Last sentence. Um
it reads uh some fellas needed for the patio. It isn't all even grade. It is all even grade around the house. I changed that to uh a level um it is all level a level grade around
the house. Okay, we Janet just got it and then uh that's all I had on 611. Okay, how about anybody else for 611? How about 625?
Uh, I had I had something on that if Okay. Anybody else wants to go? Nope. Go. You're You're on a roll, so go for it. 186 Coal Cove Road. Okay.
Yeah. In the description. Yeah. Title is spelled wrong. Yep. Title five. Karen, you're there. Go ahead. Yep. You can see. Okay, done. That's all I had. Thank you.
Cool. Okay. Anybody else? Okay. If we can have a motion to approve both sets of minutes, please. I move that we approve the minutes from June 11th, 2025 and June 25th, 2025. Second. Okay. Bob
I, Eric, I. Paul, I. Janet, I. Elise, I. And I say I. Okay. One more motion. Woohoo. I move that we adjourn the meeting. Second. Okay. Elise. Hi. Janet. Hi. Paul.
Hi. Eric. Hi. Bob. Hi. And I say I. We are done.