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recognized. Indicate that you wish to speak by using the raise hand feature. So that we have a record of a quorum, I will now ask each commissioner to indicate their presence. Acting vice chair, Janet Williams, >> present. >> Elise Gordon, >> present. >> Eric Hilbert, >> present.
>> Bob Delveio, >> present. >> And I am here. So, we've established that we have a quorum. Is there anyone who'd like to make any announcements, comments, or future agenda items for anything other than the properties on the agenda today?
You may comment on those when the property is being heard. Before we begin the agenda, Bradford, are there are there any announcements about any requests for continuances today? Yes, there's uh one request for continuance for 98 Oyster Pond Furlow.
Um and there is a uh request to withdraw from 20 Jericho Lane. >> Okay. Thank you very much, Bradford. At this point, Bradford Bower, Chadam's assistant conservation agent, will now lead us through the agenda.
>> Thank you. Uh, first up is a requested order of conditions for 784 Orleans Road, Town of Cadam, map 11J, parcel 6-6, SC 10-3729. This is for an enlargement of boat and
trailer parking within land subject to coastal storm flowage and relocation of historic communication tower within a buffer to uh the coastal bank. Uh, anyone here to comment on that property?
>> Uh, Kathern Ricks is here online. Um, I just I gave my I sent my comments in and I think it's all taken care of, so we should be good. >> Thank you very much. Commissioners, anything? >> Bob? >> I just had an addition to uh finding
number uh eight. Uh, I uh added a last sentence. The excavated fill will be removed from the site before they pour the foundations. >> Okay, that's enough. >> Okay, thank you, Bob.
>> Anything else? >> That's all I had. Thank you. >> Thank you. Okay, I guess we're ready for a motion. >> Okay, then I move that we uh close the hearing and approve the order of conditions as just revised here for 784
Orleans Road. >> Second. >> Bob, >> I Eric >> I >> Janet >> I >> and I say I. >> Thank you.
>> All right, Bradford. Next. Next up is an order of conditions for 86 Vineyard Avenue, Cassandra Pers, map 10D, parcel 49-d92, SC10-3755. Uh, this is for construction of two
additions and pool outside of the 100 foot buffer zone, resurfacing existing driveway, and repair and replace existing steps to the front door. >> And who do we have here for this property? Uh good afternoon folks. Uh David
Flareity for the applicant. >> Do you have any comments on the order as written? >> No, thank you. Commissioners, anything? >> There's a question. Bob, did you want to
>> Yes. on the uh on the English ivy. Uh I mentioned that it should be treated as well as removed. Uh I don't know what the um process uh was going to be on that, but uh should be treated uh with a
herbicide, otherwise it's just going to grow back if they pull it out. >> So treat with herbicide and then remove. >> Yes. Yes. I believe the applicant will be um uh hiring um an arborist to uh
remove that ivy uh in a in a proper way. Um, initially we'd like to uh cut and and pull the ivy and see how it comes back and then uh periodically check on its uh if it's
coming back and then uh take appropriate steps using either herbicides or just uh removal uh physical removal. >> Does that sound like a is that a sensible approach you guys looking down here? >> I don't think so. I think it should be
treated first, killed, and then removed. >> Okay, we can do that. >> Okay. >> Okay, that sounds good. >> Is that for more effective uh removal? >> Definitely. Yeah, cuz you have leaves, you know, >> leaves to for the herbicide to stick on and then it will be dead and easy to
remove or you might not even have to remove it. You might be able to just cut it down or something. I don't know. But kill it by the roots. Is that a form of spray so that the plant then pulls it into its roots? >> Yes. >> Is that how that works? So it's not So it's just a
>> But if it's Bartlett, they'll know how to how to >> absorb through the leaves. >> Yeah. You got to have leaves to absorb the herbicide. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Gotcha. >> And anything else? Okay. I think we're ready for a motion
on that. >> Okay. Then I move that we close the hearing and approve the order of conditions as revised herein uh for 86th Vineyard Avenue. >> Second. >> Elise >> I. >> Janet >> I. >> Eric >> I.
>> Bob >> I. >> And I say I. >> All right. Next up, Bradford. >> Thank you for your time, ladies and gentlemen. >> Thank you. Next up is a request to amend an order
of conditions for 88 Zagel Road, Richard Logan, map 15A, parcel 6-H137, SC 10-3533, uh, landscape and hardscape improvements. The amendment is to repair
eroding areas and eroding areas of the existing driveway and replace the stone, gravel, and railroad type borders. Uh this is phase one. Is there anyone here for that property? >> Okay.
>> Maybe we can just make a move it on down the road to the bottom of the list. Try it again. >> Yeah, we could hold it later. Yes, we'll hold that till later and >> Crystal or somebody can try to get a hold of >> Antonia. We can come back to it.
>> Do we need a motion to >> do that? Okay, >> we'll just >> All right. Next up, Bradford. >> Next up is a notice of intent for 98 Oyster Pond Furlow. Steven and Haley
Natus, map 13E, parcel 29-11A, SE 10-36 3682. Uh construction of beach access walk. Uh this was continued from May 8th, 2024
and the applicant has requested a continuence to January 8th, 2026. It is on the agenda for ZBA on January 8th. Do we know the reason that this is continued? Again,
>> uh the reason for this continuence um is so that they can go through ZBA um and then come back to us once they've gotten ZBA approval. >> Okay. Anyone have anything to add?
>> The hearing is uh the 8th and and so what are they requesting continuence till? uh January 28th. >> 28th. So, we'll have that. And I don't see Bob Perry here, so I can't ask him what's been happening for a year and a
half, but we'll ask him next time. >> Okay, we're ready for a motion. >> All right. Then I move we uh approve the request for a continuence to January 28th, 2026 for 98 Oyster Pond Furlong. >> Second. >> Bob, >> I. Eric,
>> I >> Janet >> I. >> Elise >> I. >> And I say I. >> All right. Next up, Bradford. >> Next up is a notice of intent for 18 Old Warf Road, Russell and Jennifer Herdon.
App 16 I parcel 9 SC 10-3756 construction of a garage addition within the buffer zone to a vegetated wetland. >> Good afternoon. Good afternoon. David Clark, Clark Engineering on behalf of the Herdens. Um, Russell Hurden is here
in the audience. Um, this is pretty straightforward project. They want to build a detached garage on the rear section of the the property. Um, there is an isolated wetland at the rear of the property. Um, that was delineated by
Blue Flax Design. Um we did the property next door about four or five years ago and um there was no indicator species at that time. Um but we had blue flags update the delineation and they found some
indicator species. So it's a it's an area that floods um and and so we show the 50 and 100 foot uh setbacks from where we found the indicator species. um the landform in between uh where
we're doing the work and the and the wetland actually rises a foot or two. So there's no hydraulic surface water connection from where we're doing the work to that wetland in the back. And plus a lot of that buffer is heavily heavily vegetated, especially when you
get close to the wetland. Um so we feel that this project will have no impact on uh on that isolated wetland. Um we're providing uh a dry well for uh roof runoff. Uh the driveway which is
just outside your jurisdiction will will most likely be pvious. Um so um because of the increase in coverage between the 50 and 100 um uh Bartlett has prepared a uh mitigation plan and Katrine I believe
is online if you have any questions on that but I believe that's pretty straightforward too commissioners. >> Yeah. >> Any questions? >> Is that Katrina? Okay. Yeah, I'm here. This is Katrine from Bartlett. Hi. >> Oh, Bartlett. >> Okay.
>> Good afternoon. >> Good afternoon. >> I have a couple >> Good afternoon. >> I have a couple quick questions. Actually, my questions are for Katrine. So, nice to see you, Katrine. So, >> um I saw the statements and and David just said it again that the the BVW and the
buffer zones are heavily vegetated, but the question I have is how much of that is invasive? And is the do the invasive species go right into the BVW as well as the buffer zone? >> That entire area is is highly invaded
with um primarily English ivy, saplings of Norway maple, some saplings of privet, and a lot of garlic mustard. >> Okay. Okay. So, we have this one's 400 and I think it's 50 square foot piece
which is the right size given the size of the garage on the edge of the NDZ. Um but it's going to be surrounded right by invasive vegetation. >> Correct. So, we're proposing to um
around the the boundary of our project area to mow a mow strip there to just keep the invasives from encroaching in and then we'll be maintaining that project area. >> Okay? Because we'll have the usual um
stipulation in the order that that obligation to keep the invasives out of there will be a continuing condition. And um good luck uh just because you know we know how tricky that can be and what a challenge that can be. Um I have a question about the trees. So there's a
you marked on the plan the and I think that's the uh willow tree, >> right? >> Um I wasn't able to get close to it. What what is its issue? What did Bartlett say about its condition that um justifies
its removal? So, it's a non-native willow and it's severely leaning towards the house, towards the property and really towards that new garage. Um, so we felt for safety issue, it made sense to remove it
and then to replace um it with three tupelo trees. >> Okay, I saw those. And was there another uh Norway maple that was um indicated for removal? We could not find that. >> There's just saplings within the project area. seedlings and saplings, not
significant trees. >> Okay. So, they're not they're not marked because they're just saplings, >> right? >> Okay. And that and they'll be they're depending on their size, whatever their
uh ecosystem value is, will be replaced with the shrubs that are going into the mitigation area. >> Exactly. >> Okay. the the choke fairy, the black choke fairy and arrowwood. >> Okay, last question I have. So, there's a note on on the plan about um the hedge
and it says height reduction on existing hedge for proper structure. Can you tell us more about what that means? >> Sure. So, that is a night those are mature arborite. um arborite are shallow rooted and sus susceptible to winds and
it's clear there's signs that they're already uh there's some dropped or fallen um branches from winds coming in there the northeast winds I think so what we're proposing to do is just to um be it's a proactive preventative measure
to just to to avoid further damage of those nice um mature trees. So, it would just be to um reduce their height and they're not um they're not an oak a canopy tree, so
they'll just grow back. But this is just because they're coniferous, they'll end up growing up again. But just to um reduce the susceptibility from the winds of those trees and they're shallow rooted, so if nothing's done, they're just going to fall over over time with
the winds. >> Okay. Can you can you specify the the height that you that they'll be pruned down to? >> Um, >> how many are we talking about? >> Off the top of my head, I hadn't we hadn't really figured that out, but I'd say
3 to 5t. >> Okay. >> Just it it depends on where the branches are and the leaders, but um I would say 3 to 5t. >> Okay. I'll let other experts up here determine if that's a if that's proper.
Okay. Thank you. That's all I have. >> Anyone else? >> Yeah, I planted those trees. Um those are green giants. Uh they're pretty hard to hurt them. Um, five feet is pretty five to six feet is a little
low, but I was thinking you were going to say maybe eight feet, but um, and I think it's a good idea in the locust tree. It's a lot a lot more affordable. Makes sense to remove it now before the garage goes in than try to move it in a try to remove it afterwards because
eventually it will have to be removed. Um, that's all I have to say. >> And if 8t is the right number, I I had I hadn't measured those trees. So maybe 5 to 8 ft. >> Yeah, they're big. Yeah. >> Yeah, they are. They're nice. Well
planted. >> Yeah. >> Yep. Bob. >> Hi, Katrine. How are you? >> Hi. I'm good, thanks. How are you? >> Fine, thanks. Uh there is uh shrub honeysuckle in that location where the
um where the mitigation planting is going to go and it hasn't been identified on the work protocol here the invasives. Um are you aware of the honeysuckle in there? >> Apologies for that. I thought it was slightly outside but we would of course
get rid of shrub honeysuckle. >> Okay. And it it has to be treated as well. >> Correct. Cut and treat. Okay. Um, I think I think everything else has been answered. Um,
so unless unless you wanted to put some notes, Janet, on the plan about the about the u the height of the arbivites uh and maybe the mo strip on the uh >> Yeah, that those should both be added to the plan and we'll put them both in the order. >> Yeah.
Yes, just those three things that >> So, if you could add add those uh items to the plan, we'd appreciate it. >> I believe that the MO strip is mentioned in our >> I missed it. >> Monitoring or um
>> it should be, but we can add the note on the the height reduction >> and the shrub honeysuckle as well. >> Yeah. Yeah, not to not to be picky. >> No, no, no problem. >> Okay, thank you. >> Maintenance. I was looking at section.
Oh, there it is. >> No, >> no, it says mower cut seated area support establishment. It doesn't say mo strip. So, it just needs to be specified. >> Sure. >> All right.
So, we need to continue this to see new plans or can we just >> No, I think we can they can submit those and we can >> we don't we can't uh you have ZBA coming up, right? >> Yes.
>> When is that? >> Uh >> ZBA is actually for the the house portion of the project. They're adding a second floor, >> right? Um, so ZBA is not reviewing the garage is my understanding. >> That's what we were trying to brainstorm
yesterday whether there was anything that ZBA could do that would change our our plan or our order. >> Can't think of anything. >> This is Crystal. >> Yeah. Um, when I talked to Sarah yesterday,
she had said that because the garage has a second floor, it will need ZBA, but they didn't have a problem with it when they saw the house. >> So, it's going to be a problem, but they do need ZBA to approve it.
>> Okay. >> I didn't catch that. What was the reason about What was the >> the height? >> She said because there's a second floor. >> The height of the second floor addition. Yeah, it's showing what does that have to do with the garage accessed by a pull down stair. So,
>> it's not living space. So, I don't know why >> that would trigger ZBA review, but nonetheless, um like you said, um they've been to ZBA once and all the attention was on the main house and not the garage. >> Uhhuh. >> Okay.
>> Is there a We have a date. We do have a date. Uh it is scheduled for Oh, no. They withdrew it. It was withdrawn from ZBA. >> So, they're going to refile for the second floor extension. >> Okay. And that's when we were wondering
whether we should issue an order or hold. And we decided we might as well go ahead. >> Yeah. So, we can issue an order then. >> I think you can. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. We That's >> all right. There are a couple letters from a Butters that I want to read into the record. Uh, first one is, "My name
is Kate Walsh. My husband Eric Garpstad and I live next door to Russ and Jennifer Hearnen. We are ready to offer our strong support for their renovation project on 18 Old Warf Road. From the outset, we've been impressed by the care and attention they have demonstrated as they carefully restored their home. The
addition they propose is their last step in making 18 Old Warf Road their permanent home. We live on 714 Old Harbor Road, so naturally we were concerned about construction in our backyard. Russ took the time to explain what they had planned, shared blueprints and elevations with us, and was very
interested and open to our feedback. The renderings we reviewed are completely consistent with our home's character, and more important, the dimensions and characteristics of their home on Old Warf. We know your commission has many factors to consider and balance when reviewing renovation plans. We thought
it was important to let you know before that we appreciate your efforts and believe that the Hearnden's proposed renovation is consistent with the character of our very special neighborhood of North Chattam. Please don't hesitate to reach out if you have any questions or concerns. Thank you
Kate Walsh and Eric Garpstad. This second letter we are writing in support of the proposed renovations at 18 Old Warf Road North Chadam by Russ and Jennifer Hearnden. We currently own both 30 Old Warf Road and 90 Old Warf Road. We had
an opportunity to discuss the proposed plans to see the proposed drawings at their house recently with Russ. He also walked us through the premises to show us the location of the renovations. We feel that these renovations will be in keeping with the architecture of the neighborhood and will allow them to have
the extra space that they're hoping for in their house. Again, we strongly support this renovation. Should you have any questions, please feel free to contact us at this email. Thank you, Marilyn and Bob Zoka. And the final one,
I own a home at 19 Old Warf Road. Our neighbors, Jennifer and Russ Hearnden, are doing a renovation addition project at their home at 18 Old Warf Road. We have reviewed the plans and are totally supportive of their project. They are meticulous about caring for their property and their gardens. The project
will enhance their property and the neighborhood. Please let us know if you have any questions and we hope to see this project move forward. Best regards, Meg McCarthy. And with that, I think we're ready for an order. >> Could I have one more comment? >> Oh, sure, Bob.
>> Thank you. Uh, David, the uh any plants going in around the foundation of the garage? >> Uh, no. >> Nothing. >> Okay. Uh but in the future if there are uh they could uh contact the agent
>> then we'll make sure they're 100% natives. >> Yeah. Okay. Thank you. >> Any other commissioners? >> Okay, madame vice chair. So, uh, if we the next available hearing date would be
January 17th >> for an order that >> depends on when the ZBA is >> when is Oh, you doesn't matter. We're not going to we're going without Yeah, we're going regardless of that. So, >> issue the order and >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Just table it.
>> If they need an amendment, they have to come back for that. So, that's fine. >> Is the 17th of January okay for you guys? Not 17th, 14th. I'm sorry. I'm the wrong month. >> That good. All right. So, I move that we continue 18 Old Warf Road uh for an
order of conditions on January 14th, 2026. >> Second, >> Elise. >> I >> Janet >> I. >> Robert. >> I. >> Eric. >> I. >> And I say I. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, David. >> Thank you.
>> And next up, Bradford. We're gonna jump back to 88 Seagull Road. I believe we have Antonia online. >> Yes. Sorry about that. >> Good afternoon. >> Hi. Um, all right. Am I able to share my
screen? >> Should be. >> You should be able to. >> Okay. Let me know if everybody could see. >> Yeah, it's coming up. Yep. >> All right. Um, so I'm Antonia Butwell.
I'm an architect and I was helping uh this the owner of this house and their contractor um kind of go through the conservation process before they were able to get a permit. Um they um have a driveway that is in need of
some regrading. Um I have a site plan here. So the entrance to the driveway kind of shown in green here is at the correct grade and then the area where they park their car is um generally at the correct
grade but there's been some erosion um in this center part of the driveway and then also along the edge there. So that um is what we are proposing to uh regrade and um fill and then at the same
time put new uh native stone um for the entire driveway covering. Um and then there's also some railroad ties along the borders of the driveway that they would replace at that time. So that is the scope of work. Um this is a picture
of the site. Um, so you can see where the cars are parked there. It's at a a higher grade, which you know they say is the original grade. And then also the beginning of the driveway is kind of at that height. So there's this um eroded part in the middle there um that they
are asking to fill and then put new stone um along the entire driveway and parking area. So the rocks kind of show you and the lawn there kind of show you the grade that we would be um coming up to.
I have one question. Uh, it says that you wanted to replace the railroad tie borders for the whole existing driveway. I didn't see any railroad ties there. I saw some up by the house, but >> yeah, they're kind of they're just in the ground. Um, just kind of at this
entrance part here. They're pretty >> um they're in not great condition. I could try to share a picture of that area, too. Um, so it's really just in that in that part right there at the beginning. >> So they're going to be replaced in kind.
>> Yes. >> For the whole length of the driveway. >> Um, no, I think we'll we'll just do exactly where they are here. >> Yeah,
>> it would Can I jump in here? >> So Anthony, this is this is phase one. this hearing. So, we're only determining whether this is within the scope of the uh project that was approved back in 2021 >> and you'll have to go through all the process of notification and butters and
we'll do a full hearing for the phase two. And if you could if you could mark on your plan where those ties are located so that it's specified >> that would be helpful. Um okay, >> then there wouldn't be any confusion. But I want to go back to what you said about the stones. I was confused because
I thought what I I was reading in the narrative was some gravel. Is it gravel being placed on the surface of the driveway or is it stone? Flat stone. >> Yeah, it's gravel. It's crushed stones. >> Crush. Okay. Cuz you're in a flood zone. So, >> right. Crush stones.
>> All right. So, specify if you could specify that material that what you're talking >> So, the the entire driveway will be covered in crush stone. >> Okay. >> Um, we would probably All right. And so you have uh what is it? 25 to 30 cubic
yards of fill. >> 20 to 30. >> 20 to 30. Okay. That's just to fill to to fill that air that low spot that you've got showing there. >> Okay. >> Kind of the red areas in the plan would be filled and then everything else would be just a fresh um layer of the native
crush stone. >> Okay. Got it. And can you Well, no, we'll do it at the at the full hearing. Just I'm curious about the pattern of the erosion of what's causing the the top and the middle of the driveway to erode but not the bottom
>> and the other green area. But I it's not a matter for a phase one. So if you could >> I can kind of put a narrative together to explain that. >> Yeah, that would be helpful because I I don't understand why this was this has been eroding in this particular way.
>> Yeah. Were all of the um elements of the approved uh plan carried out or is there anything else that's still remaining from that? The rip wrap was placed. >> Um I can double check. This is long before I got involved in it. >> If we're going to amend it, we should
know whether there's any outstanding items that uh because there's granite steps, replacing the fence. Um there were a couple of different uh >> and I guess lastly um when you come back
um since you are placing Phil um I think we'd be looking for some sort of mitigation. Is there yeah some specifying what the mitigation where it's going to be that relates in area to the amount of the uh not necessarily to
the volume of the fill but the area being filled >> your pink area. Okay. Thank you. >> Any other commissioners? >> Yeah, the only question I have, I mean, I really don't care about the ties, but it was just weird to me. So, the idea
would be to pitch the water off to the west, right? >> Um, you want you want you want the water to go to the west towards the marsh area, right? When it builds up, it's weird that you would put ties on the west
side, especially in the red area. That would just trap the water. I think that the the ties are kind of in this entry point here. Um >> I don't the green the green is is is one thing, but the red I was just seems weird to me why you put them in the red
because it would just >> instead of you know pitching the water out, it would just kind of trap the water towards the middle. Again, >> I'll double check with the owners, but my they're currently really just at the beginning of the driveway, so that's where they would stay. That seems to be fine, that part of the um the grade. So,
I don't think we're really proposing to add them into that area. I can check exactly where they end and um I think it was honestly from their point of view aesthetics. Um so, I can look at it again and um see what they want to do. >> Bob,
>> just a couple of things. Uh number one, u you me you mention you identify the uh the border as railroad ties. Uh >> they're not really used anymore. usually the pressuret treated timbers.
>> Um not not the used railroad ties that we we we used in the past. >> Um and I was just curious to find out where the uh all that sand all that fill went when it was uh when it eroded.
>> Uh okay. Do you know that? >> I don't know that. I think it's probably spread um because I didn't see any like piles of it, but I'll go back and kind of get an idea of that. >> Yeah. And what what is the size crush stone you're going to use?
>> Um I believe one uh 2 inch Oh, sorry. 3/4 inch native stone. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Okay. That's all I had. Thank you. >> Mhm. Okay. So, I'll I'll kind of add that information into this package and
um submit it with everything else, the abutters letters and everything else for the next part. >> And I just have one other thing. Are you planning on including a work protocol? >> I can I can include that. Yep.
>> Thank you very much. So this initial meeting was to get um like kind of permission to move forward with the application to amend. Correct. >> Yep. >> Okay. So um you guys will or you'll all
kind of give me that answer or that permission and then I'll move forward with the kind of part two phase two. >> If you just hang on for 20 seconds, I'll make a motion that uh answers that. >> Perfect. >> Everybody ready? >> Thank you. All right. >> All right. Then I move that we approve
the request uh for phase one uh to amend the order of conditions and um the applicant will proceed with filing for phase two for 88 Seagull Road. >> Second. >> Robert >> I. >> Eric >> I >> Janet >> I
>> and I say I >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Have a good rest of your day. >> All right. Bradford next. Next up is a certificate of compliance for 124 Moon Cusser's Lane, William and
Elizabeth Sorenson, map 10A, parcel H2, SE 10-2905, site improvements including driveway, footpath, and invasive species management. Uh this was continued from November 12th, 2025.
Um so I had a chance to meet with uh Paul Riley out on site um to get a better idea of what has actually been done. This is a 12year-old order. Um so there was some invasive management.
There was some in uh native plantings about 50% have actually taken. Um it wasn't quite to the level of the original order. Um but everything does
seem fairly stable. Um so I'd be hesitant to actually go back and start um what am I trying to do? Start the invasive management at this time. Um, so I would recommend approving as as is.
Um, there were some uh watercrafts um that were in the area previously that have been taken out and they're going to seek approval for a kayak rack as well as um there's a line of sand fencing along the beach that they'd like to
keep. They'll also seek permission for that at a later time. >> Okay. Commissioners, any comments? when I is it when I went there I don't even think the driveway it's just a dumpster in the driveway isn't there >> correct the um the driveway is actually
not within the jurisdiction at this point >> okay I get it okay >> there was a change to the regulations on the buffer zone >> there's no planting there's just invasive species management >> there was some planting proposed um but it's not in here the footpath
>> there's no nothing about planting in the COC Um, and you said that the 50% of the plants are dead. I aboutif I can see that maybe 50% of them are still there. I'm not exactly
sure when they were put in. Um, being such an old order. Um, so I was kind of going on what I could tell was definitely planted versus what may have been existing, if that makes sense.
Kind of. Um, so is there planting in the COC or not? Because it doesn't say anything about planting. >> There was not recent planting. So that's what this COC is about, not the recent planting. >> Correct.
>> Okay. So it's the only thing we're talking about is the foot path and invasive species management. >> That's correct. >> Yeah. >> And you feel this invasive species management is good. >> I or could you see it with the snow?
>> You can tell that there are invasive species there. Um, being such an old order, it's hard to determine how much invasive species management was done and how much has grown back since then.
Well, I'm a little well, you guys can vote, but I'm a little hesitant on saying yes if if you're not sure. Maybe when the snow is gone and weather's better and maybe you can have a walk through with who's ever responsible with this as far as the bases and your and
you're satisfied. >> Sure. That up to you guys. >> That's the way I'm looking at it. >> This is Hi. Sorry to interrupt you. This is Jennifer Leighton Gracia from Thai Bond. I'm on the project team for
closing this out. I was not involved in the original order. Um the invasive species management that we can tell was done. Bradford was out there with the project manager and the owner before the snow and looked at the property at that
point. And I think the um we don't want to disturb the plantings that are healthy and established there in order to do more plantings. Um I think that was the main message from that meeting that they had on site.
>> But the plantings aren't in this anyway. >> In the order of conditions, you mean? >> Yeah. There's nothing about >> Yeah. No. The only thing we see here is the uh >> just invasive species. >> The invasive species. And it doesn't, this old order doesn't have the kind of language we use now about maintaining
mitigation plants, >> right? >> Um, so it doesn't it just says the area shall be allowed to naturalize. No weeding, no this, no that. >> So didn't have a requirement. >> All right. Fine. >> It's because it's old. >> Yeah.
>> Anyone else? >> But you know, they're coming back, so we have we get another bite of the apple. Yeah, I mean I want to ask is is it a definite that they're coming back for the kayak rack and the uh and the fencing?
>> Yes, we spoke with them and confirmed that that we will def Okay. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> All right. >> Mitigation for that will uh we'll get some planting going. >> Okay.
>> Okay. >> Anything else? All right. Then I move that we uh approve the request for certificate of compliance for 124 Moon Custouser Lane. >> Second. >> Kiss. >> I. >> Janet. >> I. >> Robert. >> I. >> Eric. >> I.
>> And I say I. >> Thank you. >> All right. Next up, Bradford. >> Thank you. >> Next up is a certificate of compliance for 20 Jericho Lane. Mark Le Boyitz. Uh
20 Jericho Lane LLC map 10B parcel B2 SE 10-3541. Uh this was for reconstruction of a pre-existing pier. Um the applicant has asked for a withdrawal um so that they
can do an asbuilt plan and will most likely reapply in the spring >> sometime in the spring. You said >> yes. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> All right. Then I move that we uh approve the request to withdraw the request for certificate of
compliance for 20 Jericho Lane. >> Second. >> Elise >> I. >> Janet >> I. >> Eric >> I. >> Bob. >> And I say I. >> All right. Next up, Bradford. >> Next up are proposed changes to the
Chattam Wetlands regulations. >> Okay. Is is there anyone here to comment on that? All right, commissioners. Does anyone have any changes or questions about or comments about the regulations? All right. Well, at this point, we have
to continue this discussion to the meeting on January 14th so that the public has time to read and digest these changes. They'll be available on the town's website and I believe they'll also be published in the chronicle on January 8th.
So, we'll take this back up again on January 14th and hopefully be able to vote on it. >> Then I move we continue the proposed changes to the Chadam Wetlands regulations to January 14th. >> Second. >> Robert,
>> I Eric, >> I Janet I. And I say I. >> All right, we need one more motion. >> Move to adjurnn. >> Second. >> Police. >> I. >> Janet. >> I. >> Eric. >> I. >> Bob. >> I.
>> And I say I