e e e e e e e good afternoon this this is a hearing of the cham Conservation Commission being held on March 12th 2025 in accordance
with the Massachusetts Wetlands protection act and the town of chadam wetlands protection by law and regulations my name is Karen Laten and I serve as the chair today's hearing is being broadcast on exfinity channel 1072 and is being recorded in the on demand
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turned off unless you have been recognized indicate that you wish to speak by using the raised hand feature that we have a record of a quorum I will now ask each commissioner to identify their presence Vice chair Elise Gordon present
Janet Williams present Cheryl missery present Eric hbert present Bob Delio is under the weather uh Paul Johnson present and I am here and we've established that we have
a quorum before we begin with the agenda one of the first things on our agenda is uh time for public comments and future agenda items to be requested if anybody online or any Commissioners or anybody in the room has anything they would like
to uh address please you have that time now I see no one raising their hand or indicating that they would so we will continue before we begin the real agenda Katherine are there any announcements of any requests for continuances today we
have one request for continuance notice of intent at 98 oyster Pond Furlong the applicant has requested a continuance to April 23rd 2025 great thank you at this point Katherine Ricks our chadam assistant conservation agent will now lead us
through the agenda we have an order of conditions at 43 Morris island road map 16a parcel 1-10 for 43 Morris Island Road Mast d se1 3712 proposed addition of a covered porch with a roof deck on the rear of
the existing home within the area of the existing stone patio thank you how are you I see that you are online I am online and you received the order yes we did we read through it and we have no issues with the order okay
thank you uh do any Commissioners have anything that they'd like to see modified or added to the order as it stands right now now okay then we can go to a motion please I move that we close the hearing
on 43 Morris Island Road and approve the order of conditions as written second okay Cheryl I Eric I Elise I Paul hi Janet I and I say I so you're all set um
as soon as it's available uh Crystal will contact you thank you thank you very much have a great week okay thank you Katherine the next please okay we have a request to amend an order of conditions at 498 and 500 Shore Road
map 16g Parcels 3 D- A5 and 3 e- A6 for Steven and Stacy Brion Mass D se10 3645 access stairs and Bank stabilization Second Amendment proposes approximately 9,200 ft of invasive plant
management and restoration of a native plant community on the Coastal Bank Phase 2 how are you hi everyone Matt lonberger from Wilkinson here thank you for having me um so again this is an amendment to um come into this site
where we've already done some work doing some stabilization at the bottom of the bank and some mitigation restoration closer to the house and between those two we'd like to do about N9 I think it's 99,100 is square feet of
invasive species removal um we are planning a pretty extensive planting to go in its place there's also a tree which we are asking to have removed because it's a hazard um it's got some rot on the
seaward side of it and it's leaning significantly towards the house and we are proposing to replace that with three trees closer to the bank um other than that I'm happy to answer any questions questions you all might have about this amendment okay
thank you uh does anybody want to start I know this is phase two um you did add the most strip thank you um I saw that
um you added the stairs into the plan so that's good um I think it's about 60 to 70% invasives that you'll be moved am I correct that's correct okay
um and can you just so that we have it again for the record uh clarify what will happen in the easement area um our plan has us removing the invasive species that are in the easement area but not planting anything
to be replaced in that 10-ft strip um we understand there's still some discussion about what's going to happen there so we don't want to have to come back in and remove any mitigation plants afterwards okay that's great thank you so much
um Janet do you have anything yeah um just to follow up on that question Matt um once the invasives are removed I know you're not planting but how will that part of the bank be stabilized uh we'll still be seating it
and if there are any soils that look like they're in erosion risk I don't think there are any on that side we would put erosion blanketing on them and again that's biodegradable so it would uh it would eventually just
sort of become part of the soil wouldn't need to be removed or anything if someone put something over it okay that that's sensible um I do have a question and maybe it's it's less for you than for the other Commissioners um because this is a second amendment
and this plan has been evolving over time um I I wonder if the um the the wording on the plan itself the proposed fiber roll array and proposed reinforced transitional High Marsh um was that was
done in the I believe it was the first the original order um and I'm I'm I'm I'm wondering whether that creates confusion at this point since that work has been done and we could change that to existing or ask is that the right thing to do um when
you're at the Second Amendment phase yeah that's a good question I'm wondering if maybe you could just change the wording to previously approved with the order that approve you know it's this order
but maybe previously approved yep and we can even put the date that it's installed on the on there too so there a record of that that's great that's great so that when you come to COC time all the different segments are
identified I think that's a great SE suggestion thank you Janet um okay and I have one other question slow anything down yeah we could get that to you by Friday okay Janet what else that's just
a simple changing um I'm just wondering about um so the planting then in the Shaded purple area we got you've got 50 native shrubs going in there and I'm I guess I'm wondering about the size and density because you
have 50 shrubs going into a 9200 square foot area which I compare to for example the uh what went in to the small the green uh mitigation area that was only 450 square feet and it was pled
with 79 shrubs I'm wondering whether this is too going to be too sparse or are they going to be large enough that uh you don't have to wait 15 years for it to grow in yeah I can answer that we're um we're actually planning to put
98 shrubs in there um and three uh three white oak the reason the planting is a lot less dense um is mostly because there are a lot of good species that are still out there that we are um our
assumption would be that once we clear out the invasives what's already out there is going to be able to expand our planting is going to um supplement that but most of the regrowth is going to be coming from stuff that's already in
place that's so that's the roughly 30% 30 to 40% that's that's staying uh correct and those are you know if we're talking about what's coming out it's a lot of vines it's a lot of smaller shrubs and what's staying is the larger
Woody shrubs okay um so on those smaller The Vines that's where you're going to be doing the the uh spraying CU they're too small for cut and wipe yeah there are some areas
particularly of English ivy on the Northern side of the parcel that we would recommend spraying um the once you get to the southern side and it converts more into like Bittersweet and honeysuckle we apply the herbicide directly to to the
stems in that case right right is there any but um I'm just I'm just questioning the impact on the existing natives if you're doing even a low volume folar spray how do you protect them from uh any any damage from that um the areas
where we would be spraying with the vine cover are almost completely um AB the the native shrubs are more or less completely absent and when we're doing the low volume fully are spraying we're getting our you know the tip of the nozzle close enough
to the plant that there's no risk of drift and we'd really only expect to see the herbicide affecting the plants on which we've directly SP uh sprayed their leaves okay so you'll be applying best management practices for uh this
particular situation to protect the natives that are there okay I don't know where I got the 50 um must have come from the land the the I see the 98 on the plan yeah I think I think the numbers
are split up between what's north of the stairs and what's South if you're looking at the plan directly yeah yeah it is split okay um last question so so on the the mechanical removal for the larger
invasives um is are the root systems being left in place to Decay or are they going to be removed uh every all roots are going to be left in place to Decay the mechanical assistance that we'll be using here is mostly just um it's a
small machine a dingo right at the top of the bank used to winch up heavier plant material and to transport that from the top of the bank to our uh disposal on the driveway so we wouldn't be going in with
like a root grapple in caring anything out on the bank it's too delicate there to do that okay that's what I did see a reference in the in the narrative to root grappling and that's what got my attention about whether uh that was uh appropriate in this situation because it
was followed then by a by a sentence that did say the roots would be left in place to Decay so we'll just condition it that way okay um that's all I have thank you thank you Janet anybody have anything else I don't see anybody online I don't
see anybody here with questions um I think we can uh go to writing the amended order um the earliest would be two weeks from
now which is March 26th or we can go into April um your preference uh soon as possible so okay so we will continue it to March 26th if we have a motion
please I move that we continue 498 and 500 Shore Road for an amended order of conditions second okay Cheryl I Paul uh Eric I Elise I and that's to March 26 2025 oh
okay and Paul hi Janet I and I say I so we will have that ready for you uh at the next meeting thank you than you so much thank you very much okay Catherine the next one please okay we have a request for determination of applicability at 224
scattery road map 17j parcel 3-8 a for the point housee LLC r251 deck reconstruction thank you Hi how are you very well thank you good so the point House LLC 224 scattery Road has a fairly
small project they've got an existing deck got three supports it's been there for many decades and requires replacement in kind same Dimension same elevation will be attached to the house just as it is uh the stairway will be exactly as it is presently because it's
just replacement of in kind it's not going to zoning it's open lawn area it is within the flood zone uh work would be done by hand and I don't have much more to add to that be happy to take your questions thank
thanks okay does do any Commissioners have any questions go ahead leise when you say in kind does that include the material it'll be it'll be Timber great question um it's my understanding that it would be um wood I could Envision a a
composite railing but I don't believe it's uh going to be anything but wood frame it would be wrong for me to say they might not use a proell or or an ASAC decking um I'm I just don't have architectural details fully flushed out
okay we're not big on ASAC in that area so well that's good to know um it would be I think um we we would not want to offend you with any use of undesirable materials the flood zone is an
AE uh it's not terrifically tough but um um will accommodate your restrictions it's going to be pretty well put together I will tell you that um and I don't see the decking breaking
away or becoming wreckage if that's what your concern is it's the in the future the P the probable leeching of the plastic um so we support you know
treated wood that meets that standard um and aluminum well then I will take that to the applicant if we're not consistent with your wishes I know it's an RDA so it's not conditioned but you're welcome
to condition the RDA for applicants agreeable cooperation which that we can do right yeah we've done it in the past okay okay thank you um anybody else that's right here otherwise I'll go to Janet Janet do
you have anything I do not um okay I as I look at it it's exactly the same that was there before so there's no alteration so I think that we can have a motion and it's a negative3 RDA
approval do I close the hearing yes please I move that we close the hearing on 224 scattery Road for an RDA -3 does she have to announce the condition or no as condition just as as condition
thank you Eric thank you Eric okay Cheryl I Eric I Elise I Paul I Janet I and I say I so you're all set okay thank you very much thank you all right next one Katherine okay we have a
notice of intent at 98 oyster Pon furong map 13e parcel 29-11 a a for Steven A and Haley G Nas Mass D se10 3682 construction of a beach access catwalk the applicant has requested a
continuance to April 23rd 2025 I move that we continue 98 oyster Pond Furlong to April 23rd 2025 second Cheryl I Eric I Elise I Paul hi
Janet I and I say I okay the next please okay notice of intent at 176 stage island road map 14 A1 parcel 2- d107 for John H Kim trustee masty EP se10
3725 peer repair and modification how are you good evening for the record rul lardi from cap and Island engineering the engineers and surveyors for this project and with me is Mike Tannis from Blue Flags design and I believe online we
have Teresa sprog also from um blue flags design um this noi application on behalf of the homeowner and um applicant John Kim is for reconstruction of a portion of the pier that has collapsed um and
then Shoring up the eroding Coastal Bank so last year after a storm storm or or after several storms um portion below the top um section of the pier collapsed
the section below that Pier um was held in place with two piles and a Timber um bulkit um the bank collapsed and exposed the entire bulkit and the pier has since collapsed um after that failure what
we're proposing to do is remove the failing portion of this pier and reconstruct it at a slightly higher elevation with a longer stair um and then the shoreline the bank along the shoreline will be um stabilized um with
the design by blue flx blue um design um the resources um on or within 100 feet of this project are land under the ocean which is stage Harbor land containing shellfish um Coastal Beach Coastal Bank
there is a salt marsh um and land and subject to Coastal stor Flowage all the work is proposed on the bank however we do need access on the beach to shore up the Coastal Bank um and
approximately 210 square feet of this bank is proposed to be Shore up with the um fiber rolls um Mike if you have anything else to add sure Mike Tannis blue flax design um So the plan proposed the
installation of a fiber roll array to stabilize the bank it'll be high density fiber rolls with additional courses of low density rolls secured with corrosion resistant metal duck bill anchors and galvanized steel cables to hold it all
in place biodegradable 900 G jute will be installed behind and on top of the fiber rolls to protect the fiber roll array all existing construction and stone debris will be excavated from the bank prior to installation and removed from the site compatible sand will be
brought in to cover the fiber rolls afterwards to a minimum depth of 6 in that sand will be seated with a mix of native grasses and covered with biodegradable erosion control blankets the array will then also be plugged with salt tolerant native
grasses um American beach grass and switch grass and then um sand nourishment will be ongoing annually as necessary in order to maintain cover over the fiber rolls to a depth of 6 in the access for the installation will
be from the parking area at 150 stage Island Road the neighboring property to the east will be accessed via the coastal Beach between the two properties above the mean high water line working east to west so a silt fence will be installed seaward of the access plastic
uh thick plastic Alterna mats will be laid down and linked together across the entire access area to protect the beach and any vegetation there may be um at the end of each day mats and all equipment will be removed from the beach and staged in the parking area at
150 stage Island Road work will not play take place during extreme ey tide events in the area immediately surrounding the fiber roll array invasive vegetation including shrub Honeysuckle and Bittersweet will be
selectively treated with herbicide and removed mechanically or well by hand uh one oak tree that has fallen into the marsh will also be removed where the fiber roll array is being installed and four Arrowwood VI burum
will be planted adjacent to the fiber array to replace the vegetation that is lost during the excavation for any questions okay I'll let Commissioners go
if anybody wants questions go ahead Eric um the uh so the the first platform you're raising up um so how far back towards the house do you have to go to uh remove the old walkway and and regrade so you have to raise the grade
to meet the the new platform correct so right um for those who who can see the the photographs that that were included in in the notice um so you see that there is um at gr steps with um infill
brick work um leading up to to to the top platform right now um that first or that transition between that last aggrade step to that platform has also collapse and is kind of buried behind um the the section that's collapsed so
that's the level of the step that we're going up to um so in terms of height um we're roughly going from an existing elevation top deck of 13 to 15.4 so it's approximately 2 and a half ft higher um
however the The Landing is getting a lot um smaller we're practically just doing a 4x4 Landing instead of the existing one that's that's roughly some um 10 feet or maybe 12 feet long but the stairs are getting longer to get that
additional 2 and 1 half ft um what we're doing to get that stair is we're pulling the stairs back to the edge of the middle Landing of the pier and then going back to to the proposed top Landing and the last question I have are you
going to reactivate the Bell so the Bell can be used again um we don't anticipate that Bell to be removed it is pretty neat but but a pretty big Bell yeah we don't anticipate it being removed but if it needs to be
removed I'm pretty sure the homeowner wants to put it back yeah okay um any other commissioners just one just one quick question you mentioned that one of the trees is going to be removed I'm looking at the picture
here um is it can you tell that one okay that's what I would have guessed too I just wanted to confirm that that was it thank you Elise um I note in the construction notes that the um Boardwalk the width is not to exceed
4.5 ft and our regulation now is for four 4T is the rest of the pier at 4 and 1/2 or or it doesn't matter it doesn't you know it really needs to be four four feet and that's 4 feet at the widest
your rails are inside of that it's ABS so it's not that the rails are four feet apart so that's our regulation so right um what we had designed here was reconstructing the same width that was there so we used the 4 because
everything was there but if if the new regulations are that we cannot be more than 4T wide um this is just a landing the stairs are still 4 feet so if that's a condition um that can easily be accommodated okay so we'll need that modified on your everywhere that you've
mentioned that um anything else Elise you can go ahead Janet do you have anything yep just a quick question so do you have in place all of the permissions that you need to uh utilize the access
in the staging areas at 150 yes we have we have worked with that uh homeowner before and we have her permission so we T to tag on to that sorry Janet um we need something from
them that says that they are granting access okay so that um and the access route should be on the plan as well okay and Janet anything else yeah maybe
I missed it but I didn't see a variance request exactly that was one of my others so thank you beat you to it Karen but yeah this is work on a Coastal Bank so it does require that and an Alternatives analysis goes with the variance
request go ahead um one last thing so um the invasive uh vegetation it's not described in in detail um I heard you just say that uh the invasives in the in
the immediate area of the fiber roll array is there a way that you can put that on the plan so that it's clear exactly where uh that's going to be taking place or is that the green yes I I can I can show that on the
plan yeah I see the green shaded must be where so you're talking about the area ex exact around it or just the area it's not immediately around it so so the green shaded area is roughly would roughly Encompass the fiber roll
array right and then how do you what is your plan for preventing invasives from moving into that area if you you know I mean it's you're removing it in in a small area um it's I can't tell
how much what what the extent of the invasiv around there is and whether that's we will be we will be monitoring it so every spring we have we'll be going out and assessing the fiber roll array and doing um each nourishment and at that
time we'll also be uh following up and treating any invasive vegetation that's growing back towards the array okay we can put that into the order too so that's fine um okay that's all I have thank you you thank you Janet okay so we covered that we need a
variance we also covered the width of the um steps um you say it's pressure tree at Southern Pine um what are the chemicals that are in that um so I know that the CCA is not
the one that is now allowed so it's acq okay it is one that is um readily available okay I just want to make sure um we don't have a coverage table and we need that because that's what we
base mitigation on and it looks like you are thinking that this maybe is bigger than what it was because you say it's the new 5 foot by 16t Pier platform with a deck elevation of
154 so I'm thinking because the way it's pictured when I was there I think that top decking part of of the steps is probably more than what's physically there right now and what's physically there right now is just some Timber
Little Steps so we do need a coverage table and we'll have to see if mitigation you know meets if that just doing what you're doing meets the mitigation
needs um and can you tell me what's the slope of your fiber rolls um it's we usually aim for around 45° at the the Max and so we we do excavate a little bit into the bank to create that
stable slope and then so it we're aiming for about 45 degrees okay Katherine is that will that work I mean is that okay or I would say no steeper than that but as long as that's anchored in yeah I
should say that's the max we a and is this the one where it I think it's is where I read it's duck bill act anchors yes am I right okay I just want to make sure I was remembering correctly um okay uh any other things from the
Commissioners how about anybody online or in in the room seeing nothing I think we hi oh I'm sorry oh yes I did see a hand earlier but then I didn't see it was still up oh
yes Grace go ahead please that's okay um so I am Grace PTI Williamson I am the acting Refuge manager for monoy National Wild Life refuge and we are in a butter to this property we're at zero I think it's zero stage Island I'm fairly new to
this all so but I am familiar with the piece of property um I do have a couple of questions um first I really appreciate the nature-based solutions for trying to you know stabilize that the shoreline there or the bank I should say um I and maybe this is going to be
addressed in the alternative analysis but I am very curious on how our Shoreline might be impacted we do use that pretty actively our our season for getting out to the island is just about starting up we're in and out there quite a bit um so I'm hoping that's going to
be addressed on what are we expecting for us as a Butters are we going to have less sand coming through we going to have more we do use that to you know our boats launch from there as well so so really curious on if that's going to be part of the alternative analysis or not um and then time of year restrictions
and again new to this process with the town so but I'm sure I'm sure at some point we'll be talking about that I just don't know when that enters in so I think I think that's it for me thank you would you like to address that um I had trouble hearing a bit of it but as she
wants to know how her area is going to be affected by the work you're doing um as far as sand you know whatever um and also when time of year for the
work um so we will be putting out a silt fence that will be running along the access road in front of your property and as we excavate out to put the fiber roll array in we will be spreading that sand out along the beach it wouldn't be
more than wouldn't be much but I would help to protect the beach are you talking about now or long term ma'am I'm talking about actually now and long term so long term it's hard to predict but yeah uh it's almost
impossible long term um because if if they put sand down and sand will move might they always there will always a little bit of sand will move around it's just part of nature uh there's always EB and flow but as far as um you just you
can't predict the future on long term what could happen could but for the short term yeah short term they go ahead I say there are modeling predictions I mean you know that our building was removed the demolition because the erosion on Wick's way there
is some modeling that could be done to incorporate whether it's Storm surges or increased sound but having a bolstered shoreline even though natural will still impact us to some degree and then having the annual repl M of sand will again
impact us whether it's Rec creating more shoreline or we're losing the depth for our boats to go out so the replenishing of sand is over the fiber rolls it's not below the fiber rolls it's in when you
install fiber rolls and I'll let you really get into it but that's they have to put something on top to protect them so now I'll let you yeah every year just on top of the fiber roll array to protect the fiber roll array we add enough sand to get about six inches
of cover uh over the fiber rol Ray we're also going to be plugging that with beach grass and other and switch grass and hopefully that will establish and prevent the need over time for as much sand to be put there okay thank you and so the
replenishment would also go through the other Butters the one 180 stage Harbor Road is that where it's coming from or is it coming from the water it would go through 150 sorry yeah I can't read it sorry yes it would go through 150 and it would be a one day in and
out thing so okay and would we be are we going to be notified for each time that happens as well in case something happens just trying to think about it in advance um yes we could you could be notified of course okay I'll add that into uh that
would be added into the order when we write it um that you would be notified um if they are doing any replenishment of the fiber roll array yes thank you okay um Commissioners anything else
based off of what you've just heard from Grace okay I we're going to have J did you have anything no I'm good okay all the sudden you popped up and I thought oh maybe Janet does um we are going to need
continue go ahead um I I did hear that um you didn't receive the ARA calculations um in the package that I see that was emailed um and mailed I see that the high calculation form was included so I just wonder if if it's
just that it's missing from your package anything's possible because the the proposed um Landing that we are doing now is going over the existing brick and steps at G so in terms of square footage
development there is no increase in development you checking yours too I'm quickly looking just one sec but I know we're gonna we're gonna request a continuous so if you're if we're missing it from the filings I'll
be happy to to send it again yeah I I don't have that in mine and I think Cheryl has the same as I do um so we will need it and since you already have it you'll be able to easily um when
would you like us to continue to um it looks like the changes that I'm being asked to show on the plans um are fairly simple in my case how about you um so I could get a revised plan this week at the end of the week so I don't know if that's enough time or and you'll
also get a letter from the ab butter from 150 that's we we'll reach out to them today okay and that includes you're going to give us a variance you're going to change the width the width four yep you going to give us coverage table and
if you would on the plan for the fiber rolls if you would put down the um the slope that would be helpful um and you want we need you to describe the invasives and you know
hopefully what percentage there is a tree coming out and I know it's Fallen because of erosion but you should have a tree going in somewhere on that property to replace that well it should be two trees because
you're right on top so at least two trees um time of year for your work um I think that's pretty much it so you want us to go to the 26th yeah if if
something happens and we don't make it we can just ask for second continues you can all right okay I move that we continue 176 stage Island Road to March 26 2025 second
Cheryl I Eric I Elise I Paul I Janet I and I say I okay thank you thank you all right the next one please Catherine notice of intent at 27 Strong
Island Road map 12m parcel 16- b19 for William C Benjamin Mass D se10 3726 replacement of existing patios and walkways with dry laid ashler blue stone and dry laid brick reconfigure patio
steps and Landscape improvements Hi how are you good afternoon I'm William Benjamin 27 Strong Island Road M we purchased this property about a year year and a half ago we'd
like to upgrade the landscaping and make some minor changes to the uh patio in the front walkway uh and extend the front walkway by adding a brick path from the front door to a uh a side
door uh I think the Landscaping changes are shown pretty clearly on the landscape plan that you have um and uh I tried to uh tried to complete the
application myself that was quite an undertaking I must say I admire you for trying I I'm sure I missed a few things but I'm happy to make any corrections that you might deem necessary okay thank
you um anybody want to start go ahead Cheryl I just want to say I apologize for not knocking at your dra today when I came to your property no problem usually I not I do apologize okay uh anybody else have any
comments questions um a couple things yeah so go ahead Eric so when we were site visiting you you're not taking out every Beach pal right no so that's a great compromise um all but
one oh you only you're saving one saving one okay um now so this is the total mitigation on the bank correct that's the total mitigation
okay I mean uh that's I mean the tree is being removed uh I don't have a problem with that the I think the last meeting there was only a question about uh The Beach Plum as being a decent size um and it was a mitigation
for a project previously so technically removing the mitigation to put mitigation in um I understand that the beach plums are they get big and unfortunately they get trimmed which isn't the white right way to trim Beach
Plum um the only thing that I would bring up would be the size difference of what you're taking out and what you're putting in um you're putting roses in a lot of roses and the idea was to put in low growing shrubs not need to be pruned
in the future right um okay I'll I'll pass on that thanks anybody else Janet maybe I lost Janet no I'm here I just have to struggle to find that
unmute button I'm here no um um nope I haven't have any questions thanks okay um so your coverage table where is it that's on the site plan no it's in your
application you say um the net change in the ndz which is up to 50 ft is 14 Square fet less correct um the outer Aura it's 107
right so there is a net change total of 93 right and you are proposing 50 feet of mitigation for losing 93 it has to be
more than 90 93 or more um I'm not real sure I understand your spot that you're putting the mitigation in so way off in the middle of
nowhere um so could you just speak to that can't really speak to specifics uh in terms of the square footage well we'll need we we're going to need more than two swamp aelas
because that you're saying that that's 50 square ft of mitigation there and you need to have at least 93 so you are going to have to increase something somewhere I think perhaps the
uh the fact that the native PL the new native plannings up along the bank and in that ndz are 710 square feet um the only thing was that you're saying that the
mitigation is the that little part down in the bottom right right area and I I get it so what I'm saying is that you ought to be highlighting that everything is mitigation um and the reason you're
taking out the beach plums is just because they get big they're big they're right in the the view from the house and but the deck is elevated correct there's no deck there's Pao stone patio patio I
mean I'm sorry um I mean you're removing 4 Square 10 square feet so that is I think within the 50 although I don't see yeah it definitely is because it's
everything's within the 50 um so those you're taking out so you're really at like almost 500 square fet um and within the 50 you have to double the amount of
mitigation so it should be even the 50 that you've proposed because it really should be let's see it was 93 so it should be 186 and you're proposing 50 and then
you're taking out 410 so I think you need to look at your mitigation and calculations I just to make sure because it needs to it needs to meet the
requirements for what's going out and you've got 410 and you got to actually because it's on the Coastal Bank that is a three to one so 410 you're up to
1230 then you've got I don't know what the rest is that's you're proposing mitigation for can can I just make a small suggestion that might help you a lot on the impact um what if you took every other Beach Plum out and they would still it would it
would lower your impact and you'd still have a wonderful view of the pond you you you would have space in between you have a little bit of contrast between low shrubs some high shrubs um I I think and plus that it'll shade a little bit and protect all your
new plantings um um would you know that you could consider that because they were there was a mitigation project um do you know how long ago I don't know but I think it would be uh if you took
out every other one you would create what four it would create probably six feet spacings in between 3614 is the order if we were to do that would we be able to get permission to prune the remaining one
from time to time um you need to apply yeah you can make it you could you talk to the agent I mean it's you could probably do it on admin review or something uh uh you're just you're talking about the few that you're going to trim a little bit on the tops yeah
you would have to talk to the agent on that uh there's is that what that ORD from 2023 they're they're reasonable let's put it that way so you have an outstanding
order that is from 2023 from March of 2023 um I don't have anything else any other information yet I haven't gone back except for to 2019 so if anything was
before that I don't have it right now well any of the prior order orders expired with the change in ownership was my understanding orders don't expire it said right in the order that it did what oh you know that it well it I I'm not
seeing that a certificate of compliance has been issued for it so technically that order is still open it would if it was um and I know Crystal could probably look this up or has this information I'm not sure if it was closed out or not but if it was
2023 it's still order it's still active yeah it's still active I checked yesterday with Crystal and it was not you had not gotten a certificate of compliance yet for it so it is still an active order and if you if you need a
copy of it Crystal can provide that um also you say you're removing a pear tree and three shrubs that are to the left of your when you're looking out at the pond to the
north west or whatever correct one of one of them is almost like a foundation planting but if you're removing a tree you have to you're within the ndz you have to put in two new ones so you do need more mitigation is
really kind of what I'm getting too all right well we'll uh see how we we can accomplish that and consider Eric's suggestion that um we' yeah retain a couple that would help you um yeah I just check and see the amount
that you're taking out and on the Coastal Bank it's 3: one in the ndz it's 2: one so evaluate that as far as what how many square feet are taking out and What
needs to go back in and just call everything mitigation you only highlight that little green area is mitigation I'd love if you'd consider kind of putting mitigation not off in the little corner
um making it a little bit more obvious that it's mitigation um we're not big on little teeny areas dotted around the property um do you prefer that it be
within the aura or outside the aura or it doesn't matter you may place it where you you feel that it would be a good spot um you know I plus it's easier to maintain until it gets established if it's closer together you know yeah exactly which is why we prefer not all
over the place so having said that and I'm sorry I know you appeared before us before with this same plan plan and as an RDA and and we said that it needed to
be an noi so I appreciate that you're back um when would you like to come back we have March 26th we have April 2nd April 9th April 23d Well we'd like to get going so March
26 okay um is there anything else that I should bear in mind I think I think well we are proposing you did request a
variance correct yes and you provided the Alternatives well I didn't really do much on the Alternatives because there didn't seem to be any alternative um I would say maybe just make sure in the well you're not in the outer or so in
ndz it has to be 100% native plantings right which it is 100% so even I think you're at a I'm assuming the Hy range is you're bar you're just outside that's outside so you're in good shape there
okay all right so that would be it all right well so we can have a see you on the 26 yep we can have a motion I move that we continue 27 Strong Island Road to March 26 2025 second Cheryl I
Eric hi Elise hi Paul hi Janet hi and I say I thank you so much I don't have to do a new mailing for that do I no just update your plan all right
thank thank you so much okay Katherine the next okay we have a notice of intent at 112 Independence Lane map 13B parcel dc5 for Scott and Insley Copeland Mast EP SE 10-37
27 construction of a barn and driveway expansion within the buffer zone to a bordering vegetated Wetland good afternoon David Clark Clark engineering and Mike Tannis from Blue flax design uh so as stated uh the applicants
wish to construct a barn uh to get access to the barn they need to reconfigure their driveway um so basically the the garage or the barn is for storage of a boat and a vehicle that
they keep here all year round um because it's uh sporadic use of the structure um we're proposing uh geoblocks uh and basically keep keep that area between the barn and the
existing driveway as grass um and uh to offset some of the increases uh in uh non-native vegetation and uh and structure the portions of the driveway
that are in the ndz we're going to excavate the the center portion and put in a a grass strip uh that would be planted with Native fescues so that reduces the overall impact um again the uh the uh resource area is
a bvw that uh is part of that uh Cedar Swamp uh EST or not Estuary but uh um area that uh drains out to Stage Harbor uh the flood plane is close to this lot but
not but 100 feet from that flood plane doesn't enter onto this lot um happy day answer any questions on the site plan oh this doesn't require any zoning relief uh so if there's any questions on the site plan be happy to
answer and Mike's here to talk about the mitigation so I don't yeah you go ahead and then we can ask questions so for the 536 square feet in structure we're mitigating with 536
Square ft of converting lawn into native Woody vegetation and we're also proposing to manage invasive and aggressive species within the 974 square feet previous mitigation area for a previous product
so we're gonna there's Bittersweet honeysuckle mug wart porcelain Berry Rosa Rose we're going to remove those while protecting the already planted mitigation plants that are there um we're going to treat those with herbicide and remove them and then any
bare areas will be seated with a seed mix um and that will expand so we're putting the new mitigation next to the old mitigation to create a contiguous uh habitat um we're removing excuse me one Pitch Pine for
the construction of the garage and we'll be replacing that with a swamp white oak and a service Berry so you're actually taking out two trees the other one's outside uh well no right the middle of the middle
oh yeah it's in the middle true it's outside the 100 I just checked it too just barely boy everybody's going just barely lately them okay thank you um anybody else anybody have
questions comments Eric um I don't have on the on the construction plan of it I I I I just don't like the U the area of of mitigation um to me it's more of a planting bed in the middle of it property um to me The Logical area for
mitigation would be on the the uh where what would that be that would be like south of the house in front of the house yeah in front of the house the mowing there's mowing that already goes down the hill to me mitigation should encourage uh the resources there to to
grow um and you have you already have irrigation heads that are like onethird down the hill so it would be an easy fix to put the irrigation up higher and then you can run off whatever you want but it's that's to me that's where the
mitigation should be um down you know on the slope from the top of the bank down I think you'll have enough room um to you know it's nice that you're fixing this bed over here and everything it's full of weeds and stuff but that I mean it's on the other side of a driveway
that's on the other side of it's just it's not really adjacent to anything there it's my my concern okay thank you Janet go ahead yeah I just want to uh agree with Eric that the the logical place to put
any mitigation is closer to the resource area and not by a paved roadway but I my attention was caught by the fact that I didn't realize that this area was a was previously a mitigation area part of it when that was part of it was and I'm not
sure when was that mitigation do you know when that was for I do uh 2007 okay okay so I haven't gone back that far so quite some time ago all right so I'll hold the lecture on uh not
maintaining a mitigation area um I guess over uh what is that 17 years or so um but it should still be uh the invasive still should be dealt with but I would also prefer to see real mitigation for this project go close to
the the resource area to that Wetland anything else nope that's it and I have to say I agree and I also part of the reason I agree is that you're leaving a spot for that fire hydrant and right now there's no opening in the
fence for it because that's how I went into the property um but this sort of hides the fact that the fire hydron there even though you're leaving a spot so it seems like I mean there's a nice spot where they've done that that Beach
Plum and I don't know what else is in there I saw some porcelain Berry but other than that I'm not good at identifying anything but porcelain berri Rosa R goza yeah I well Eric was there and he's going oh and this is but I knew porcelain I'm surprised that was allow
and um you know I think it there's some real benefit to putting it on sort of at that slope because you've got a a Wonder ful area and it's not really a very large grass area and you could still have grass you could leave
22 in before you start planting for a mow path behind it you know leave 22 and then start planting up the hill so you can get a mow so you can mow a path a strip under you know on the I would like to have that considered um I I will tell you I am
very impressed with that area where you're putting the barn because I had the neighbor came over and talked to me and he said it used to be all invasives that whole area and these people when they bought it that I think maybe that's the project
from 2007 and they got rid of all the invasives and he he said he used to play whiffle ball and the ball they gave up trying to find the ball because it was so bad and it really is an improvement so um I do appreciate what they've done
and I think as far as the barn and the um the little Drive area those are great um I will say we did check with Board of Health and I guess they're slated they
should be on sewer and they're not because of the grind the grinder hasn't been put in yet I saw all that too yeah but um I don't know what the living space at the top of the barn is but
depending when you're doing this if they're not on sewer if there's you may have to check with Board of Health right yeah it's anticipated that they won't finish off the second floor
until after the sewers available I figured that probably but I just wanted to make sure you knew that um anybody else have any comments or any feeling about what Eric said um D already said it I've said it
I'll I'll say it I'll I I like the other location for the medication I think that to to effectively add the mitigation area over there would require a large amount of invasive removal for no no no not not inside
between no no no not you're not taking anything out you got plenty of room to go up the banking because theyve mow almost halfway down so you're suggesting then having the 500 and whatever and then a mo strip between no no yeah you know between so that if the stuff
doesn't creep back up the hill you know keep creep back in have a most strip if if the commission is looking to have the mitigation in that area we'll probably be reducing it to 352 which is the net increase and not the 500 and I get that
I think you know we've already got some nice mitigation on the other side um if you did that invasive removal in there that would be terrific and then just you could decrease your mitigation um you know I I I do love when people
offer more than what's necessary but um I think location is kind of key for us right now for this yeah you got a pretty big area on that triangle coming in on the left pretty good size and then swoop
it up uh can't go too far in the corner but there there's plenty of room to put what 300 something square foot in yeah plus your irrigation right there so think about it and evaluate maybe okay I think we just saw the opportunity to
kind of remediate that area that was over we'd still love that of course that's more yeah that's like a restoration you guys go at it but I mean you know see see what the homeowners
thanks and um I'll state that I'm okay with either way I like where you have it now the other spot's fine with me too so I'd go either way okay so mostly because it's bigger the other spot or where you currently
are yeah I mean it's well they're going they're going to restore the other area anyway and then they're going to have the add-on to equal the same amount I guess um so when so you
can would you like to come back um that's up to Mike yeah he's got the work you're off this time David you you L out we have March 26th April 2nd April 9th April 23rd then we're into
F so for March 26 one would well because we've heard it it's the Friday before correct yes cine 10 days before or the Friday before no that's for a new I think it's the Friday before like
Thursday before because we get our packets Friday at noon THS Thursday so like the is right's see today's the 12th so 19th
20th yeah uh what's so what was April second April 2 yes that sounds good why is it double starred good yeah I move that we continue 112 Independence Lane to April 2nd
20125 second Cheryl I Eric hi Elise hi Paul hi Janet hi and I say I so we'll see you
then thank you all right Katherine the next okay we have a request for a certificate of compliance at 19 and 29 narrow way map 16 K and 16j parcel 7-y 6 and 24- y1 for Andrew Young at
number 19 and Linda and Thomas Botsford at number 29 se10 3282 repairs and modifications to existing gabian uh the work was never done and it is recommended to close out SC10 3282 with no work
completed okay I move that we close out SE 10- 3282 for no work ever done second Cheryl hi Eric hi Elise I Paul hi
Janet I and I say I okay the next please okay request for a certificate of compliance at 19 and 29 narrow way for Andrew Young of number 19 and Linda and Thomas bodsford to number 29 map 16k and
16j Parcels 7- Y6 and 24- y1 SE 103366 Stone revetment to replace existing gabian it's recommended to approve this COC with ongoing conditions including special condition 6 19 20 21
and 22 and standard condition D1 special condition 19 includes a 35 cubic yards of nourishment on an as needed basis and when the nourishment occurs special condition 20 and 21 are required for the monitoring reports in order to have a record of the conditions of the
site okay anybody have anything they any comments yeah looks I just had a quick comment um I just they look great except there's a there's a marking stake sticking out of the ocean uh it's like 2 feet underwater
um why do engineers feel the need to to drive in marking sticks out in the water I mean I don't get it and then because they obviously do it at low tide but when they go to pick up after themselves it must be high tide what look like I it's a you know it's a 2 by two whatever
they are regular marking steak it's out it's in the water the stakes that you do to mark that just in the in front of the boat house in the water uh well it's I think it's marking you know side of it uh like a lot line yeah or something
like that but I I didn't see anything like that it's hard to get a stake to persist in the intertitle zone they just get wiped out even especially in the well I know because that's that's the whole problem with those things somebody might have just recently done some surveying there would no no it's an old stake when it was originally I'll go
take a look but I if they could just pull it out would be great you know provided it's not a record point that somebody considers valuable but I will go look I didn't see anything like that but you you got my curiosity yeah oh I've SE if we've seen this before you know yeah this is not these marking
Stakes are like a plague they just leave them in the ground when they're done most survey Stakes are an inch by an inch yes and um well I thought the project was very well executed and it well but that's a curiosity for me so we'll take a look well the reason re I
brought it up cuz I was telling one of I I used to work for a customer on oyster Pond and every year we'd pick up trash on the beach and I at least six half a dozen of them steaks would wash up on someone's you know uh Beach uh they're just unbelievable people don't pick them
up you know when they're done like coc's pick up the stakes put them away before the COC uh I I don't understand it well we were very careful with Stakes I usually don't see them lasting past the Inception of the project let alone well I know because they've been already
taken out by the high tide or the machine yeah well we'll check it out okay all right thank you have a motion please I move that we approve this uh certificate of compliance for 19 and 29 narrow way with the conditions and special conditions as noted second
Cheryl I Eric I Elise I Paul I Janet I and I say I okay the next one please okay request for a certificate TI of compliance at 190 stage island road map 13 A1 parcel d150 for Deborah A and
David D Phillips Jr Mast EP se10 3399 Coastal Bank stabilization via installation of choir fiber rolls and revation of the bank and Paul has the recommendation for this one hi Paul hi good afternoon Madam chair
Commissioners I went out and inspected the property uh today um Mr Perry is there um and I believe Keith Johnson from Blue flx is there um there everything looked good to me there was a the fiber roll
array looked good it was covered in most places there was a small area that wasn't uh the staircase was built in accordance with the plan there's a couple of stakes in the water Eric I think those yeah I want to apologize I thought we were done with narrow and I thought we were on 190 I'm talking about
190 now I have an answer for you on that yeah okay there are excuse me there are Stakes uh at 190 if you went down and looked at it there there are Stakes pretty similar to what you just described for the other I apologize I thought we were finished but
I see there are they're used for um elevation basically to determine when the fiber rolls need to be uh recovered um there were some sprinkler heads up top uh that will probably have to be removed because they were temporary for the first two years of mitigation there
was a number of uh other mitigation areas up above the Coastal Bank but the cult Bank looks stable um the application's complete if uh Bob wants to chime in on uh his certification uh and Keith that would be
appropriate I think and then I'll give you my recommendation thanks Paul Bob Perry Cape cut engineering I thought this project was extraordinarily well executed I was there during the fiber roll install and made several visits
afterward we had some very serious weather 23 and 24 and blue flags came in and managed the cover um and the project speaks for itself when you go there uh
my certification was rendered through our correspondence and I we turned in three monitoring reports that were provided by Blue flax their last monitor ing report had a certification statement in it and I can't add anything to Blue
flax certification but I am aware from what Paul said there's still temporary irrigation that can be readily removed um if you need the stakes that were down on the intertitle area by the Sal Marsh I think I remember two they
were benchmarks that were convenient for monitoring the circumstances there they're not essential there's all kinds of elevation points we have elsewhere so those can be removed um the ongoing conditions were enumerated Crystal fed
back to us and we included the details of the ongoing conditions for everyone's reading so you don't have to pluck them out of the order and I know the further monitoring further planting at times and
sand cover for the lower end of the the fiber Ro arrays is essential going forward and other ongoing conditions prohibition of you know herbicides pesticides that's all somewhat of a standard there was one in there about
the swimming pool monitoring for cracks they do that anyway uh so there were no objections to the ongoing conditions that were placed into the order they were a little bit redundant maybe two or three of them were repeated in different segments but I know of no objections I'm
not sure Keith is on um but he is oh he is good so Keith may want to have something to add but I was very well satisfied with our end of this and it's it's really doing the the work to stabilize that bank and the vegetation came in extraordinarily well thanks
thank you Keith do you want to add anything oh might be mute smoke signals yeah he's m muted which he'd have to unmute but he doesn't have a mic well if he doesn't have anything to add we're
fine okay um oh Janet has her hand up Janet please okay yeah I'm sorry that Keith uh is muted because I just wanted to say that um I I I couldn't agree more with what Bob said about the uh this the success
overall of this project and um it's one of the very first ones that we approved when I first joined the commission and I spent a couple of years um chewing my nails looking at it going oh my God is this going to work and I just want to say it's the poster child for Teresa always saying to me don't judge a
project during its ugly phase wait and uh sure enough this one this one does that and thank you for including all the photos from those uh monitoring reports so we can actually see um how it changed over time into a success so well done you guys thank you so much thank you and
Keith does have the ability to talk now so go ahead Keith I I might have the ability to talk but the tech thing is always been a struggle um I I just to rate what Bob said this was a challenging project um and we are
happy to remove that temporary irrigation um that's up on the bank still and I think um from an ongoing nourishment perspective I think we had uh this season only four yards um to
cover up the southern end um and we're going to do it with wheelbarrows over the top so um we won't have to use the neighbors access to get in and around which is always pretty tricky entitle dependent so um thank you that's really all I had
to add thank you anybody have any questions or comments from the commission okay then I think we can have a motion I moov that we approve the certificate of compliance for 190 stage Island Road second okay Cheryl I Eric I
Elise I Paul hi Janet I and I say I thank you okay thank you thank you guess what we have one more motion I move that we adjourn the
meeting second Cheryl hi Eric hi Elise hi Paul hi and Janet hi and I say I and enjoy your weather Janet thank you we do bye see you guys
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