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Part 1 (Video ID: WHi0YdroV44):
- 00:04:01: Chatham Conservation Commission Meeting Opening and Introductions
- 00:08:57: Requests for Continuances and Agenda Overview Begin
- 00:09:29: 101 Uncle Deans Road Remodel and Expansion Approval
- 00:13:41: 19 Coward Lane Ecological Restoration Project Approved
- 00:16:44: 189 Moon Penny Lane Sewage Disposal System Amendment Approved
- 00:18:38: 88 Seagull Lane Driveway Repair Amended Order Approved
- 00:19:52: 65 Sears Road Shorefront Protection Extension Approved
- 00:20:54: 53 Little Beach Road Demolition and Septic System Discussion
- 00:22:15: 357 Stony Hill Road Swimming Pool Mitigation Plan Continuance
- 00:23:02: 12 Clark Meers Way Addition and Hot Tub Continuance
- 00:23:50: 87 Plum Daffy Lane Coastal Stabilization Continuance
- 00:24:41: 70 Queen Anne Road ADA Ramp and Drainage Improvements
- 00:33:36: 70 Hardings Beach Road Patio and Parking Revisions
- 00:44:52: 115 Landing Lane Slope Stabilization and Restoration Discussion
- 01:00:10: 42 Old Harbor Lane Guest House Continuance
- 01:01:29: 19 Coward Lane Certificates of Compliance Approval
- 01:03:57: Two C Pine Road Certificate of Compliance Approved with Condition
- 01:06:05: 146 Oldfield Bend Road Certificate of Compliance Continuance
- 01:06:51: 45 Holly Todd Certificates of Compliance Approved
- 01:08:13: Appointment to Preservation Committee Approved
- 01:08:50: 97 Tilip Run Mitigation Plan Discussion and Continuance
- 01:18:20: Draft Coastal Storm Flowage Regulations Review Discussion
- 01:46:21: Approval of Meeting Minutes and Adjournment


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Hey, hey, hey. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Good afternoon. This is a hearing of the CHAM Conservation Commission being held on uh May 13, 2026 in accordance with

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the Massachusetts Wetlands Protection Act and the Town of Chadam Wetlands Protection bylaw and Regulations. My name is Karen Latton and I serve as the chair. Please note this meeting is being recorded and will be available shortly hereafter for scheduled and on demand

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viewing of on any smartphone or tablet device. If anyone else is recording the meeting, including the use of AI notetaking apps, please notify the chair. Pursuant to Governor Healey's March 28, 2025 s signing of chapter two of the

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acts of 2025 extending certain COVID 19 measures adopted during the state of emergency suspending certain provisions of the open meeting law general law chapter 3A section 20 until June 30th, 2027.

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This meeting of the CHAM Conservation Commission is being conducted in person and via remote participation. Every effort will be made to ensure that the public can adequately access the proceedings as provided for in the order. A reminder that persons who would

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will post a record of this meeting on the time town's website as soon as possible. To all participants, whether attending by phone or online, please may mute remain muted unless you've been recognized by the chair. When recognized, please identify yourself for

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the record. If you're attending by phone, you can mute and unmute by using star six. If you are online and you are not a commissioner, please keep your camera turned off unless you've been recognized. Indicate that you wish to speak by using the raised hand feature.

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So that we have a record of a quorum, I will now ask each commissioner to indicate their presence. Vice Chair Paul Johnson, >> present. >> Janet Williams, >> present. >> Elise Gordon, >> present. >> Eric Hilbert, >> present. Bob Delbecia >> present >> and I'm here. We've established we have

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a quorum. Is there anyone who would like to make any announcements, comments, or future agenda items for anything other than the properties on the agenda today? Not seeing anyone and I'm not seeing

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online anyone has indicated. So, uh, which one of you, Paul, are there any announcements about any requests for continuances today? >> Good afternoon, Madam Chair and commissioners. We have six requests for

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continuences. Uh 53 Little Beach Road, 357 Stony Hill Road, 12 Clark Meers Way, 87 Plum Daffy, 42 Old Harbor, and 59 Oldfield Bend Road. I'll read the legal ad when we get down to that on the

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agenda and indicate the continuance dates. >> Thank you. At this point, Paul Whiteitman, CHAM's conservation agent, will now lead us through the agenda. >> Thank you, Madam Chair. Uh, a request for an order of conditions. Uh, 101

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Uncle Deans Road, Donald and Alic Schuman, Dees Living Trust, map 4D, parcel 14-810, DP number SC 103760. The project is proposed to remodel and expand the existing dwelling at the property. The project includes the

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reconstruction of an existing deck, several small additions to the footprint. project includes substantial vegetation management for invasive plant species on the bank and a uh and within the 50- foot buffer. This was continued from January 14th, 2026 and April 1st,

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2026. >> How are you? >> Uh well, good afternoon. >> Good afternoon. >> The uh we don't have our engineer. He's taking some dam off which is good for John, bad for us. But uh this is a demo

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of this building. It's going to be built on the same foundation. Sibel Esingle is the architect. >> And have you read the order as was written? >> Yes, we have an order ready to go. And

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it was sent. >> Okay. No, I did not receive it. >> I wonder who it was sent to. >> John. >> Probably John. >> John. >> Probably John. If you give me a copy, I'll take a look

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at it. >> Yeah, I don't have >> Bill. You can trust us. >> Well, I do trust you. Uh >> the um >> John did receive it.

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>> Yeah. But did he give you any comment on it? >> No. Okay, let me see. I'm seeing how many special conditions there are. There aren't a huge amount. So, it says that you shall take special care

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to ensure that no unpermitted alteration, including temporary alteration of the no disturb zone, occurs on the project. Um, you know, the US that's standard. Um, you know,

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the COC language about completion of the work ongo ongoing invasive management uh is required to maintain the mitigation area. That's a one that's always in uh the mitigation area should be left

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undisturbed except for maintenance. That's a standard um an annual monitoring report. And then all that's been added is no trees shall be topped and no per permanent irrigation shall be installed. >> Right. And and we do have an email from

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John that says that uh from his perspective uh he has no objections to the terms of the >> Okay. Does do any commissioners have anything else to add to this? >> Bob, do you have anything? Um, no

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permanent irrigation as well as uh no pesticides or fertilizers. Correct. >> We can add no pesticides for it's part of the >> general standard conditions, but we can add add it here because it's always good to have it twice.

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>> Can't hurt. Thank you. >> Yeah, we probably should have that. >> Yeah, we're using blue flex so we're not worried about >> Yeah, I know. >> pesticides, >> believe me. I know. But we have to put it in there. Well, of course, >> it weren't blue flax and the whole bit.

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Um, all right. Anything else? Anybody? Then I think we can go to a motion. >> I move that we close the hearing on 101 Uncle Dean's Road and approve the order of conditions as modified. >> Second. >> Bob.

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>> I. >> Eric. >> I. >> Paul. >> I. >> Janet. >> I. >> Elise. >> I. >> And I say I. >> All right. Thank you very much. Thank you. >> Okay. Next, please. >> Thank you, Madam Chair. Next on the agenda is a requested order of

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conditions. The address is 19 Coward Lane, applicant Leslie and John Nicholson, map 16H, parcel 12-6A, D number SC 103 3771. The project is ecological restoration and it was continued from April 1st,

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2026. >> Hi stream. Hi, good afternoon. Katrine Higgins from Bartlett Tree Experts. I believe Thaad's online, too. Hello, Thaad. >> Hi, Thaad. Long time no see. >> Hello. >> So, just to take you through the the

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revisions we provided on our restoration plan. Um, we sorted out the previous mitigation areas. We met with Bradford on site to review that. And so you'll see on our plan we have two notes indicating the the areas where there are mitigation shrubs planted. Um one is on

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the southern side of the re alongside the revetment and then another area is along the driveway into the property. In addition to that, we noted that we will be delineating the edge of the project area to, you know, um, prevent any creep

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from going into that area, lawn, lawnmowers and such. And then we've added a buffer strip um along a vegetative buffer strip along the top of the revetment that really connects the two vegetated areas existing on the

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site. And that um vegetated buffer strip will be planted with American beach grass. And you can see it ranges from about four feet wide at its at its smallest point to about 10 ft wide. And so that equals about 600 square foot of

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additional um lawn removal and of vegetation, native vegetation. >> And did you receive the order? >> Yes, we did. And do you orthad have any comments?

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>> I did not have any comments, ad. Did you >> Did Katrine's name get spelled correctly right in the beginning? >> I think >> uh that's okay. >> I guess we spelled her name wrong. >> There's just an E at the end, but that's okay. >> Oh, no. E.

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>> Oh. Oh. Oh, my E should go to Leslie's name. So Leslie's Leslie's name is um L E Y. >> Oh, >> and mine doesn't need an E at the end. >> Oh, so she has no E, Janet. >> Leslie has an E. I do not have one. >> Thank you.

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>> Thank you. >> No, we thought we had it right, but obviously not. >> No worries. >> Anybody have any modifications? Any commissioners comments? Um, all right. And then I think we can go to

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a motion. >> I move that we close the hearing on 19 Calard Lane and approve the order of conditions as written. >> Second. >> Bob. >> I. >> Eric. >> I. >> Paul. >> I. >> Janet. >> I. >> Elise. >> I. >> And I say I. >> Okay.

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>> Thank you very much. >> All right. Then next, please. >> Thank you, Madam Chair. Next on the agenda is a request to amend an order of conditions. The address is 189 Moon Penney Lane. The applicant Francis and Christina

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Fabriio map 10H parcel 6 D number SC 10 3713. The project is title 5 subsurface sewage disposal system and land subject to cold storm flowage. The amendment is to expand the mitigation area to include invasive species management uh continued

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from April 1st, 2026 and April 22nd, 2026. I move I removed Katrice E. >> Hi. >> I fixed your name. >> Thank you.

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>> No E on Clark either. So >> Oh, few. We didn't have one. >> Okay. Did you re check the order? >> Yep. But we didn't >> Everything's okay. How about any commissioners? anything that you'd like

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to see that's not there or >> I just I just added u uh special condition eight on that little uh red cedar that's standing alone in the area just to remove some invasives. That's all.

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>> Oh, good point. Y >> great. All right, then we can have a motion. I move that we approve the amended order of conditions phase 2 on 189 Moon Penny Lane as modified. >> Second. >> Bob. >> I.

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>> Eric. >> I. >> Paul. >> Hi. >> Janet. >> I. >> Elise. >> I. >> And I say I. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> All right. Next, please. >> Thank you, Madam Chair. Next on the agenda is another amendment. Uh, excuse me. A request to amend an order of conditions. The address is 88 Seagull

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Lane. Applicant Richard Logan, map 15A, parcel 6-H137, D number SC 10 3533 project repairs to an eroding area of existing driveway and it was continued from April 8th, 2026 and again on April

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22nd, 2026. >> Okay. Do we have anybody here for Moon Penney? >> I mean for Seagull. Sorry. God. >> Um, >> shuffle them down. >> All right. Well, I guess I didn't

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receive anything and nothing was forwarded to me that they had any problems with this amended order. So, I think that we can go to a motion. >> I move that we approve the amended order of conditions phase 2 on 88 Seagull Lane as written. >> Second.

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>> Bob. >> I. >> Eric. >> I. Paul. >> Hi, >> Janet. >> Hi, >> Elise. >> I And I say I. >> Thank you. Okay. Next. >> Thank you, Madam Chair. Next on the agenda is a uh request for an extension.

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The address is 65 Sears Road. The applicant Michael and Tucker Cole, map 11A, parcel 2-J14, D number SCE 103484. The project is proposed shorefront protection.

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Okay. Is there anybody here? I don't know that it needs to be because they spelled out why they need it. Um, does anybody on the commission have any questions about it?

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Uh, >> all right. Then we can have a motion to approve a one-year extension. I move that we approve the one-year extension request for 65 Sears Road. >> Second. >> Bob. >> I.

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>> Eric. >> I. >> Paul. >> Hi. >> Janet. >> I. >> Elise. >> I. >> And I say I. >> Okay. The next please. >> Thank you, Madam Chair. We're now moving on to notice of intents. Uh 53 Little

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Beach Road, Monoy Rips LLC, map 16A, parcel H50, DP number SC 103747. The project is demolish existing dwelling and construct a new dwelling within land subject to coastal storm floorage. It was continued from July 9th, 2025 and

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again on January 14th, 2026. The applicant requested a continuance to June 10th, 2026. Uh I guess they need additional time uh for uh >> Well, David's here. >> Yeah. Okay. All right, David.

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>> Thank you. Uh David Clark, Clark Engineering. So, um, most likely we're going to withdraw the the house portion of that, but the shared septic system is on >> right >> 53. So, we got to tweak the plans a little bit to make sure the septic

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system works. Uh, and you graded properly if the house is going to stay where it is for the time being. >> Okay. >> So, we need a couple more weeks to >> So, you think that'll be ready by June? >> Oh, yeah. >> Okay. All right. Thank you for the

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explanation. Is anybody any question about that or >> Okay, if we could have a motion, please. >> I move that we continue 53 Little Beach Road to the meeting on June 10th, 2026. >> Second. >> Bob, >> I. >> Eric, >> I >> Paul.

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>> Hi. >> Janet, >> I >> and I say I next please. >> Thank you. Next on the agenda is a notice of intent application 350 Stony Hill Road is the address. John Hernandez map 14 I parcel 2B-25B

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D number SC 10 3765 the project is a proposed swimming pool it was continued from March 11 2026 the applicant has requested a continuence to May 27th 2026 uh more time to design the mitigation

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plan is the reason for the request >> okay if we could have a motion please >> I move that we continue 357 Stony Hill Road to the meeting on May 27th, 2026. >> Second. >> Bob, >> I >> Eric. >> Hi.

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>> Paul, >> I >> Janet. >> Hi. >> Elise, >> I. >> And I say I. >> Okay. The next please. >> Uh, next on the agenda, Madam Chair, is another notice of intent. Uh, 12:00 meters way. Jatine and Anna Patel, map

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5B, parcel 19 C-13C, D number SE 10 3769. project is construction of an addition to an existing dwelling and deck, patio, and stairs and a hot tub. It was continued from April 1st, 2026. The applicant has requested a continuence to

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June 24th, 2026 for more time to do what the commission had asked at the previous hearing. >> Okay. Thank you. We have a motion. >> I move that we continue 12 Clark Meadows Way to the meeting on June 24th, 2026.

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>> Second. Bob >> I >> Eric >> I >> Paul >> I >> Janet >> I >> Elise >> I >> and I say I >> next please. >> Next on the agenda madam chair 87 Plum Daffy Lane applicant Terry B and Janette L. Wells map 9A parcel 5A-D15

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D number I SC 103772 project is proposed coastal stabilization and proposed beach access stairs excuse me continued from April 8th 2026. The applicants requested a continuence to June 10th, 2026.

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Uh the mitigation plan is not yet completed. That's the reason for the continuence. >> Okay. >> I move that we continue 87 Plum Daffy Lane to the meeting on June 10th, 2026. >> Second. >> Bob. >> I. >> Eric. >> Hi. >> Paul. >> Hi. >> Janet. >> I.

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>> Elise. >> I. >> And I say I. Okay. Next. >> Next on the agenda is a notice of intent 70 Queen and Road. Um, excuse me if I'm mispronouncing this. Haj Management Company, map 13E, parcel 15-14, D number

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SC10 3781. The project is construction of a new ADA ramp, drainage improvements, and site landscaping. This is a new application. >> Thank you. >> Hello. >> Good afternoon.

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For the record, my name is Scott Rogers from JK Homer Engineering. Is there a chance we can share the uh the plans on the screen? >> Sure. >> Yep. >> So on uh sheet C2, the existing conditions plan, uh I'm sure you're familiar with the project, but it's uh

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Queen and Inn, and basically there's a existing bordering vegetative wetland on the western part of the property. There's also a potential vernal pool. Uh a lot of the some of the areas on the site are within the buffer zones, hence the reason for our notice of intent

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filing. As far as the site plan, which I believe is the next sheet. Um so we're making some improvements obviously to the building uh which is uh we have several permits going on within the town, but we are also making improvements to ADA. Uh the first thing

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we'll be doing is we'll be putting in an ADA ramp from the main entrance which is on Queen Anne Road. That's a ramp going down to the parking area. We're going to provide or improve the ADA access to the rear of the main building that leads you

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to the pool. Uh we'll be providing a new access point into the pool area for wheelchairs and whatnot. >> Thank you. and also improving that walkway that kind of leads to the uh other buildings,

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the out buildings in the back as far as slopes and um making them more ADA accessible. And then we are adding units to the guest house number one, which is the building uh on the right hand, I'm sorry, the lefthand side of the plan.

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That one right there. Um we're'll be adding units to the basement. So, we're going to have to build a uh stairs and a walkway out of that basement to access the ramp that currently exists on the end of the parking area.

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So, just for information, we'll be adding 70 units to the building. Uh some in the main part of the building and some as I mentioned into guest house number one. But we're also adding uh more parking areas and that will be uh

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if you go to the next sheet. I'm sorry, I can go back one. I apologize. Yeah. So, we are adding uh additional parking spaces. Currently, the existing parking is 26 spaces. We'll be getting up to 31 parking spaces, new ADA

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parking, striped and all that. Um, so we'll be adding more parking, but there's no new pavement areas that are with that uh exist uh the proposed parking areas, if you will. And we're also removing the uh restaurant inside the building, which will obviously help as well with parking requirements.

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Um, as far as storm water improvements, if we can go to the next sheet, please. As far as storm water improvements, there's currently really no uh existing storm water on the property. Everything basically just sheet flows off the parking areas. um onto the slopes and

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into the the wetland areas. So, for storm water improvements, the upper parking lot uh at the lower end of the parking lot off off of the street towards the end, uh that's the low area. We're going to add a catch basin with a deep sump and

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hood that will discharge to a 12-in pipe and a flared end section. And we're going to construct a bio retention area in that location. Um the bio retention area will have a rip wrap overflow for larger storm events that will go back to uh where it

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goes currently. So that's an improvement to that upper parking area. As far as the lower parking area, um we're going to be removing some pavement out of that lower corner. Um, and then we'll be putting in a level spreader,

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which will basically be uh stone and a depression that'll kind of help to filter out some of the storm water. And we're also providing some buffer zone enhancement in that area as well, which is uh vipernum dentatum, which is arrowwood.

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Um, sediment erosion control wise, we're putting in a silt sock along the limit of work to protect the resource areas and the buffer zones. So generally speaking, uh we believe that we're improving storm water quality overall

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and we're also going to be uh reducing storm water storm water peak runoff rates with the addition of that bio retention area. We do we had did receive recently last couple days uh the file number from DP and with the application that we submitted to the conservation

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commission we provided us uh a drainage report obviously a full set of plans and within that drainage report we provided an O andM plan operation and maintenance plan which includes all the BMP features that we're adding. Um so with that

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answer any questions that you may have. >> Great. Thank you. Uh, any commissioners want to start? I have one thing to tell you. You had a typo in your coverage chart. You said

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that there's in the NDZ a 218 square foot change from the existing to the proposed and it's negative. Just so you know, it's you're taking it's good. you're you you're use you're decreasing the

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coverage by 218 just so you're aware because that will be reflected when we do an order. Um anybody want to say anything have any comments?

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>> So that would change the math on the final Yeah. >> Um the bottom total areas will be less than they are. So if you're removing pavement in the lower lot, how are you managing to increase the number of parking spaces?

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>> So on the site plan, the existing parking area, specifically the lower one, if you look at the existing conditions plan, it's kind of laid out a little sporadically. It's not very efficient. >> It is. >> It is. >> So what we're doing is we're getting rid of those kind of deadend spaces and parallel spaces. We're basically adding

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parking on the eastern side that adjuts joins the stairway that goes to the upper parking lot. And then on the left hand side of that, we're doing tandem parking. >> So the tandem parking will be for employees and people that happen to have two cars within the hotel rooms.

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>> Okay, that that so you're just going to fit more cars into the smaller space by doing some That's smart. Okay, that's good. Thank you. Uh, anybody else have anything?

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>> Bob, do you have anything? >> I mean, I think this is a pretty easy uh project from our perspective. It's a lot of work on yours, but uh it obviously needs some good TLC over there,

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especially well outside. Yeah. So, that'll be nice to see. >> Um, so I think we can go to an order. and the meetings coming up. I don't know how quickly you want this order. We have May

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27th, June 10th, June 24th, and then we're into July. Um, >> do you have uh room on the May 27th agenda? >> We can. Uh, all right. So, if we could have a motion, please.

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>> I move that we continue 70 Queen Road to the meeting on May 27th, 2026 for an order of conditions. >> Second. >> Bob, >> I. >> Eric, >> I Paul >> I, >> Janet, >> I, Elise, >> I >> and I say I. So, we'll see you on the

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27th. You'll receive the order the day before. Well, maybe Monday or Tuesday, and then uh it will be reviewed at on the May 27th meeting. >> Perfect. Thank you very much. Thank you. Appreciate >> your time. >> All right. The next please. Paul.

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>> Thank you, Madam Chair. Uh, next on the agenda is a notice of intent. The address is 70 Hardings Beach Road. Jonathan Welch is the applicant. Map 9C, parcel M4, DP number SC10377. Project is removal of existing patio,

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retaining walls, parking expansion, and construction of a new patio. This is a new application. Uh, good afternoon, David Clark, Clark Engineering. Uh, we submitted revised plans yesterday, so we fully expect we'll come back another >> Yeah,

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>> I was going to say it's a little hard when we get it the day before. >> Yeah. Oh, I understand. Uh, it's just uh >> people with paper just got it today. >> Yeah, the designer architect been working >> you a little bit. it part of the um I

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think the major changes were part of the patio has been removed. >> Yes. So >> correct and the shell driveway smaller. >> Yes. So what we're asking for uh for an increase over what's there now has been reduced from I think it was somewhere

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around 500 square ft down to less than 200 square feet uh like 169 or something like that. Um, >> do you want to speak to the reason that those were being the patios being decreased that we found out it wasn't

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permitted? >> Yes. Um, so we were notified that there was no record of uh the patio or the parking space um being permitted. Um, so we brought that to the owner's attention and in order to expedite the project,

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they decided to include mitigation for that. in Andrew Gerallay's landscape plan. So even though um the uh wetlands protection act um grandfathers those structures um

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>> at the same time >> their owners are willing to provide mitigation for that. >> Right. And I appreciate that. Um, so the trees that were taken out and I know it it they were removed with an AR. Uh,

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the two trees in the front, the big trees that right are right along the road. Um, and I know you've proposed four. I think it's Tupelos. Um, we really need more. We need six

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because of the size of the trees. >> Okay. >> And the location. >> So, we're going to need more, right, Janet? >> So, >> yeah. 3 to one. >> Yeah. >> Ratio over 20. >> Yep. They were more than 20 inches. So,

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the ratio is 3 to one. >> So, two more trees. >> Yep. Yes. And while while I have my speaker on my mic, is there what's can you just give me the quick overview of what the difference in the mitigation is now from what was originally proposed?

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>> Um there was a mitigation area right along the edge of the marsh. >> Yeah. >> So now it it that has been increased to the uh in width uh and all that lawn is being removed. So, we're we're doing our best to reestablish that portion of the

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NDC and certainly from the edge of the salt marsh. Um, we're we're trying to reestablish the uh vegetative buffer strip to the mass max. >> Yep. There's no doubt it's a great location for mitigation. It's a good width for it. I'm just struggling to see

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a difference between what's on the revised plan and what was on the plan before the original. But I I can I'll parse that. Anyway, where I was getting to with that is trying to see if there's any way that

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that can be extended across the the property, the entire property across the back instead of stopping about 60% of the way across. >> I think the the goal was to remove the the lawn or the it's kind of void of

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vegetation in those areas right now. Mhm. >> And so the goal was to to to do to take the Cape Cod lawn out and reestablish some vegetation in there. >> Um >> you see on the on the where the pointer

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is now that then that's about the the edge of clearing. So we weren't ve we weren't venturing into that area. Okay. Concentrating on the >> lawn removal and that makes some sense. Okay. Um,

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you have down planting beds, which I don't know if the landscape people are here, but there are two planting beds um in the front of the house. >> Yep. >> And they don't say what's going into the

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planting beds. Uh, so I'm just curious about what's going into those. And I am a I I know it says it's granite pa patio. I just it's pvious. >> Yes. >> I just want to make sure um that there's

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not cement holding it or something. Um so I just I'm curious what's going to go into the >> Okay. >> planting bed. >> Yeah. Um, I didn't have Andrew. Um, Andrew expected that I was going to continue it because we only got to the

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plans yesterday. I figured you'd have questions and and comments that at least we'd be prepared next time we >> we're here. >> Right. >> Um, does anybody have any questions? >> Just just one last clarifying question, David, if you won't mind. So the

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existing planting beds uh behind the decaying timber walls are those is that vegetation being removed and new put in there or is that >> it has to >> that's all coming everything's coming out >> all that's got to come out in order to rebuild. >> Yeah. Okay. Then we will want to see the

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the full list. Okay. Yeah. I mean it's in our jurisdiction so we should know what's going in there as it should >> as you know. >> Um anything anybody? >> Yeah. Go ahead, Eric, please. >> Yeah, this uh we have to go back to the

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history on this. I remember when it was built and it went back and forth. The size of the building because such a small area. Um to me, uh what goes on from the house to the road is is is not so serious. And I have to say the two

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trees that were taken out, uh they were very close to the house, uh at one of the oaks, the all the bark is gone. Um to to me it would be uh I think a kind of a hardship to make to but that's my

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opinion to replace the the two trees because they're so close to the house >> and uh you know pavers to me are not pvious because the uh right >> I mean what they use is just as hard as concrete but if you go back to the

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beginning the uh I feel is that the area that was obviously mowed the marsh grass was more or less a violation. You can see where the lawn ended. I I think that that area should

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be out of the picture and just stop mowing that area and then start over with the mitigation. Um, and then with the mitigation, wherever you're going to put it, maybe

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put a a a one rail fence to keep the honest people honest because obviously from the beginning when this was built 20 years ago, there was a lawn area, then there was marsh, and then they continued mowing in the marsh. I I don't think it's a fair deal that we have to

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get get back what was taken and then redone. I think if you just simply stop mowing it, it'll turn back into marsh grass eventually, marsh grass, and then from there, you can almost see where it ended. That would be where the mitigation began.

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That's my feeling on it. >> Well, this house was built 40 years ago, not 20 years ago. >> I Oh, 40. I thought it was when I was on the conservation. >> Maybe they unless it was a neighbor. We neighbor driveway,

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>> huh? >> The neighbor has a similar circular driveway. >> Oh, maybe it was the neighbor. >> The the circular driveway was built in 96 or 97. Uh, and the house was there for a long time before that. Um, >> but the only thing I want to bring

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across, it's pretty obvious that from the end of the from the end of the the formal grass area in the back that the it was marsh grass that was mowed. And I don't think it's fair that you know that we we give that we lose it it to have it

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planted. I think it should be put back not mowed like it used to be marsh grass and then I I then start the mitigation from there like it wasn't even there. That's that's kind of what my opinion is on this. So Eric, are you saying then that the line on the on the planting

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plan that says edge edge of marsh should be further forward because that's the real edge of the marsh has been before. >> That was mowed. It was it's more or less a violation. >> How do you draw? Okay. You just have to so everything would come forward. >> Everything would come forward. I think

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that's the fairest deal for conservation and folks of Chadam. I mean, >> I will bring it up with the owners and uh discuss it with the landscape architect, too. >> Yep. >> Anybody else? Anything, Bob?

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>> I got a a couple of things. Uh David, the uh uh first of all, yeah, there are two planting beds out front, right? >> You're going to include some natives in those. Okay. And then there was some trash in the woods on both sides. in the

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backyard. Uh there was a steel trash can. There was other things going on in there. Um uh let's see what else. Uh that's that's really about it. That's what we know we noticed back there. Uh you're going to

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in increase the number of trees, which is good. Um, and the and the the drainage off that patio out front is going to be uh the excess is going to be going into a dry well. Huh. >> Yes.

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When the rebuild, it gives us an opportunity to to to put a trench drain in and uh capture all that runoff instead of have it go around the corner and down the hill. >> Okay. And then and then on the uh where the driveway is where that c catch basin

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is. Where does that go? Where does that water go? >> That's a bleach and catch basin. >> Oh, so it just stays right there. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Okay. That's all I have. Thank you. >> Thank you. Anybody else?

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No. Okay. Obviously, we're continuing. >> When do you want to continue to? We already have six NOIs for May 27th. >> So first meeting in June. >> That probably would be then we could spend some time on it is the reason I'm

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telling you. So first in June sounds good to me. >> I move that we continue 70 Harding Beach Road to the meeting on June 10th, 2026. >> Second. >> Bob, >> I. Eric, >> I >> Paul, >> hi. >> Janet,

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>> I Elise, >> I say I. >> So, we'll see you June 10th for that. >> Thank you. >> Okay, the next please. >> Thank you, Madam Chair. Next on the agenda is a notice of intent. 115 Landing Lane is the address. Todd Lynch,

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map 13K, parcel R 5, DP number SC 10 3779. The project is slope stabilization and restoration plings within land subject to coastal storm flowage and reconstruct excuse me reconstruction of access stairs over a coastal bank. This is a

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new application. >> Good afternoon. David Clark, Clark Engineering. Along with me is Matt Lenberger from Wilkinson Ecological Design. So, uh, as Bradford stated, uh, this is there's two phases to this project. uh one is the shore

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stabilization, the other is the reconstruction of the stairs. So um we had this ready to file way back uh Christmas time was it? And then uh and then once we had it filed with zoning board, they had issues

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with the stair design. So the projects changed quite a bit from our first design. Um, we were intending to regrade the slope for the stairs uh and uh and and put some level platforms on the way down. Since most of that area where the

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steppers are is a coastal bank or the flood plane, we were told you can't alter the grade at all in those two resource areas. And so basically this becomes a a replacement project within the coastal bank. um outside the coastal

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bank um uh right next to the existing deck uh that area is heavily traveled and that the homeowner would like to just convert that into a a dry lake patio. So that is

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that that's what the increase in sight coverage is within the no disturb zone. Um some of it's um well it's all in the the patio in increases in the uh no disturb zone and uh Wilkinson's has

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accounted for that in their um mitigation plan. Um pretty straightforward project. Uh probably go in there with a little mini excavator, remove all the timbers that are there now. reset the new ones. Um,

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and then LMAN seed, everything in between and what's been disturbed with the native seed mix. Um, so we don't anticipate any u permanent alterations to the

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slope. Um, and the only change in the heartscape is I increase in heartscape as I stated was is the patio. So if there's any questions on the stairs, be happy to answer them. Uh Matt's here to talk about the uh the stabilization

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portion of the project. >> Thanks. >> Why don't you go ahead and then we'll have questions. >> Sure. >> Thank you. Um so this site has an existing bulkhead wall that uh recent storm events and

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high tides have scoured started scouring soils behind the bulkhead return uh along the southern end of the bulkhead. Um grasses and salt marsh have been degraded there. Further tide related impacts can be seen on the

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northern side of the marsh as well. Um, and our we're proposing to address this by adding a low fiber roll array, just two rolls uh along going from the existing bulkhead over to where the existing uh

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boat house is there. Um this would uh this project would also have us then um planting the fiber roll array with a uh salt marsh hay with the

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spartina patton and seaside golden rod. Um we are also proposing a pretty small amount of mitigation for the very modest uh hard cover increase from that uh port or the deck there.

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Um, happy to answer any questions. >> Okay. Does anybody want to start? >> Go ahead. >> I'll I'll start on this one. Again, it's it's it's regarding the mitigation. Again, I'm on a mitigation camp uh campaign. Um

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uh I I don't have an issue with a little patio, whatever you want to do there. The only thing I don't like is the area of the mitigation. Uh you got a little sprinkle here and there. You really don't need to do anything down there. The little triangle to the right as you walk down, just if you put a few stones

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there and stop the mow crew from mowing in there, it'll grow back on its own. Uh I I think the and the the best mitigation would be the little lawn area that goes to the edge of the bank. Pull that back. That way it'll be easier to water. It'll cost less money for the

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applicant. Um and then just, you know, just pull the lawn back and plant in the top of the bank. Um, not not entirely sure which lawn area you mean. >> There's a little lawn area that comes off where you're going to put the patio west.

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Right. Straight across is a lawn area. >> Label lawn. >> Yeah. >> On which on there? >> So, it'll cost the applicants less money and it'll be a better mitigation. >> No. Yeah. Yeah. all the way to Yeah,

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it's like a little wand that goes all the way to the edge of the bank. I think if you just take the square footage, pull it back a little bit, they won't even miss it. >> Right. So, we put the mitigation where we did because there is pre-existing mitigation on the property that takes up

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pretty much um using this again. It goes from here all the way down here and then there's some over here too. So, we've just been filling in the mitigation where there isn't mitigation and where there isn't any

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obvious need for them to traverse the property. >> Well, I don't agree with it. That That's all I'm saying. I I uh I just don't think there's any need to mitigate that little triangle. It's nonsense. You know, if you just stop mowing, it'll grow back. And the other area is pretty

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is really good shape. I mean, I you know, you just it's just it would be a better mitigation where you um to to pull the lawn back off the bank. It's not much square footage. What are we talking here? >> You

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You'd like us to swap this? >> Yeah. The Yeah. The mitigation for your little patio. >> Yeah. To the edge of the lawn. Just pull it back. Put some plants in there. Nice and flat. >> Eliminate this area. >> Yeah. What's the other area for >> this one here? >> Yeah,

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>> that's for mitigation for this. >> Yeah. I I don't I mean what you're mitigating down there, isn't it? Or are we adding to it? Uh or are we just replacing it? >> We're adding to it. So that's right where the boundary of the initial

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mitigation was on the inside of that curve and then we're expanding the mitigation out into the lawn. So again, if you look at the previous mitigation area here, >> it's down in the below in the bottom by the

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>> this area here is right now there's there's nothing growing there except for like lawn grass here. So our goal was to get as much mitigation close to the water as we could without having this area

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completely closed off. Obviously they need to be able to walk down to the dock. So when you say lawn here, you mean the path? Well, >> no. >> I have the Paul, didn't we? It was a path that went down there. Where's Where's this lawn?

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>> There is a path that goes down there. Yep. >> And there is a lawn edge. It on this site plan, it has the path and then it goes up toward there's like a mitigation. >> I mean, when I walked down there, I

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didn't see a path. It was just a It was long. It was just a path to the beach to the little boat house with with you know >> which that was sort of another question of mine was this the fiber rolls aren't they going sort of where the path is?

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>> Right. We do address that in our discussion here that during the summer there would have to be a temporary mat added over top that so that they could get to and from the boat house. But is that great for the fiber rolls to put

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some little mat >> with the mat on top of it? We don't expect it would have any real impact on the fiber rolls at all. That's fairly common for when access needs to be achieved over a fiber roll array.

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>> Okay. Um, I mean, wouldn't it be better to raise it so the fiber rolls, nothing's even on the fiber rolls and putting pressure on the f, you know? I don't know. It just seems >> our our thought was that a temporary removable path that would only be in use

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for a couple of weeks a year would be preferable to a permanent structure. I don't disagree, but I mean I don't love a permanent structure, but I wonder how much wear and tear on the fiber rolls happens from >> the traffic >> covered with sand.

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>> Yeah, the fiber rolls are covered with sand. So, >> right. >> Yep. The the additional pressure with with the mat in between there. >> The mat has a >> the mat's purpose is that it spreads out the pressure from those footsteps. It would be negligible.

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>> Okay. What what about the impact of the mat on the vegetation that's planted on in over the fiber rolls? >> Yep. We would need to make sure that the area where the mat was going to go that there was as little grass as possible planted in that specific area

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>> because it'll get crushed. Okay. >> Yeah. I'm I'm going to retract what I said. If that's a lawn area down there, you're covering you're covering lawn area. That's fine. It must be string trimmed. It's not really a lawn. It's kind of like a sandy. It's very much like a Cape Cod lawn. So, it's not mowed

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regularly, but the area is not um it's definitely not up to the standard of being part of the natural buffer there. So, we have a lot of improvement we can do there. >> And that's all in the flood plane. So, the more woody vegetation you can get in

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the flood plane, the better it is for dissipating wave energy and things like that. putting the a patio makes more sense than extending the deck. >> Yeah, if you're going to use it, but you got to step

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>> such a small patio, you're not really gaining I I don't know. Just asking. Um, at the end of the day, it's still at the end of the day, it's still sight coverage. It's just >> Oh, I know. It's just with a deck, it

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it's not physically on the ground, so it can the ground can absorb more. But I'm just asking because it doesn't seem like putting a patio there, it's not very big. I believe the the client's main concern

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with the way that this was designed and where the steps were set up was making it accessible for the client's um elderly father. So that's why there's a more gradual transition down those stairs in a in a patio area.

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>> Okay. Because yeah, it's so small. Um anything else? Go ahead, Janet. So, both the site plan and the restoration plan seem to show the bulkhead coming to a 90deree turn and then

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wrapping around and coming over to meet the actual deck. But in fact, it doesn't do that. It stops right after that 90, which I assume is what's caused a lot of this erosion. >> Right. >> So, you're talking about this 90 degree turn here. >> Yeah. But that you see the lines underneath the array show that

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continuing and then doing another 90 degree wraparound to meet the deck. those and I just that's not >> it it's not. So there's one last piling on on the return

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on the bulkhead and that's where the bulkhead stops from. There is where the fiber roll array starts. >> Right. >> Um >> right >> the line work is is is almost identical between the fiber rolls and the bulkhead on our plan. We can clarify that.

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>> Yeah. If you see look on the site plan right, it does look like that. >> Yeah, that's just the high mean water line. >> Okay. >> It just happens to meet the bulkhead. Okay. So my question then is um given so

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this fiber roll array is going to act as a return basically for that for that bulkhead. >> Yep. And it'll it'll go a long way towards dispersing the wave energy that's hitting that area right now. The fiber rolls are softer and you won't get

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nearly as much. I mean, it'll it'll stop the scouring that's happening. >> Okay. Um, but is it likely to also take away whatever nourishment you apply? >> I need to be renourished. >> Well, yeah. And that is in our plan is

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that there may need to be occasional re >> 30. I think it's 30%. Yeah. When Yeah. >> Yep. >> But it just seemed to me looking at at that the amount of scour going on there that you're facing a a likelihood of, you know, the waves coming at that fiber

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roll array and trying to uh steal from it. >> Yep. >> Okay. So, we'll put make sure we have the renourishment trigger in there because I think you're going to be doing that. >> Anything else? >> So, it doesn't sound like there's

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anything that we're expecting them to come back with. >> We still have to go to zoning board. >> I know. So, >> I know you do. Um, you're on June 11th, correct? So, would you like I mean, we can go to an

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order. We could have it June 24th. >> That's fine. Okay. >> Okay. >> I move that we continue 115 Landing Lane to the meeting on June 24th, 2026. >> Second. >> Bob, >> I.

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>> Eric, >> I >> uh Paul, >> hi. >> Janet, >> hi. >> Elise, >> hi. >> And I say I. >> Okay, we will have that then. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Next, Paul, please. >> Next on the agenda is a notice of intent. Uh 42 Harbor Lane is the

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address. Peter Harris, map 16 I, parcel 20-m D number SC 10 3768. Raise and reconstruct a guest house with a patio and stairs. Connect to existing septic system. It was continued from

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March 11th, 2026. And the applicant has requested a continuence to May 27th, 2026. >> Great. >> I move that we continue 42 Old Harbor Lane to the meeting on May 27th, 2026. >> Second.

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>> Bob, >> I >> Eric. >> I >> Paul. >> Hi. >> Janet. >> Hi. >> Elise. >> Hi. >> And I say I next please. >> So now we move on to certificates of compliance. Uh there are three for 19. Car Lane, do you want me to read them all

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at once? >> Um, I think you could just read what SE numbers they are or something, you know, I think you don't have to read. >> Just so that we I think we can just have the SE numbers that way people know which ones.

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>> Okay. Uh 19 Kad Lane, applicant John Leslie Nicholson, D number SCE 102176. D number SE 102315, D number SE 103090.

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>> Okay. Were there Does anybody have any comments or questions about any of the coward um CFC's? >> Yeah, I have one. I would just like to see that little snow fence on the north corner of that

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that's down at the bottom of the bank. There's a pretty like an eight foot section of snow fence that's just laying there. I'd like to see that taken out. Okay. >> I guess we could attach that to one of these. So maybe the the newest the the

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least old um you know a condition that when they remove it, we'll release that COC. We could release two out of the three if that's okay. And then when they say they've removed the fence, then we can verify and they can have the third.

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>> Sure. Senator, what can we do with the >> Do you have something? >> Nope. Just letting you know I'm here. And >> good. Well, did you hear that there's a snow fence that needs to be removed? >> We'll get that out of there and get a picture over to you.

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>> Thank you very much. So you'll get two that will approve all three, but the third will be dependent on that snow fence being removed. So you won't get it right away. >> Okay. >> Thank you. All right. If you could do a motion, please. >> I move that we approve the certificates

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of compliance for 19 Caliard Lane as modified. >> Second. >> Bob. >> I. >> Eric. >> I. >> Paul. >> Hi. >> Janet. >> Hi. >> Elise. >> Hi. And I say I thanks that.

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>> Okay. The next please. >> Next is a COC for two Cine Road. Uh the tide watch at Cepine LLC's. The applicant map 10L parcel G2 DP number RC 103147. Construction of a swimming pool within

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the outer 50 foot buffer to a bordering vegetated wetland. >> Okay. Any comments on that one? >> Go ahead. Yeah. Uh so this is a partial COC um just for the mitigation plantings. Oh,

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>> okay. >> Um >> we were hoping David um to do an ongoing maintenance of the mitigation area. There seems to be some of the invasives starting to crouch back in. Um so we'd

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recommend approving with >> Yeah, this is uh David Clark for the record. So this is a final certificate of compliance. We were here a number of years ago for the construction portion of it. >> Oh, okay. >> So, >> um, uh, Phil Cheney went out there and looked at the mitigation plantings. Um,

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>> they they look tough, but because of the winter we had, they were heavily grazed by wildlife. So, they're doing their job. They're providing a food source for for wildlife. But, if there's an ongoing requirement for maintenance, um,

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>> is that already in the order? And it and suggesting it? No, I just suggesting it uh there's some bittersweet starting to creep back in. Um that I think a couple >> maintenance treatments will keep it at bay. >> Yeah, the wetland behind it is all invasive. So

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>> y just a little bit >> fragmite. >> It's going to be a continual fight. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> All right. Then any questions or comments from commissioners? >> Just to clarify, are we so we going to add that as a continuing condition to ma to manage the invasives coming in there?

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Okay. With that, I'm good with >> Okay. If we have a motion, >> I move that we approve the certificate of compliance for two C pine road as modified. >> Second. >> Bob. >> I. >> Eric. >> Hi. >> Paul. >> Hi. >> Janet. >> Hi. >> Elise.

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>> Hi. >> And I say I. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Okay. The next please. Uh, next is COC lot 59, excuse me, Oldfield Ben Road, uh, NKA 146, Oldfield Ben

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Road. Mark Plansky is the applicant. Map 14J, parcel 59, D number SCE10 588, construction of a single dwelling sewage disposal system and timber garden wall. And the applicant requested a

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continuence to May 27th, 2026. I'm that we continue the certificate of compliance for 146 Oldfield Bend Road to the meeting on Mar May 27th, 2026. >> Second. >> Bob. >> Hi. >> Eric. >> Hi. >> Paul.

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>> Hi. >> Janet. >> Hi. >> Elise. >> Hi. >> And I say I >> Next, please. >> Uh, last two are COC's for 45 Holly Todd Salt Salt Meadows LLP. Map 10A parcel H2 DP number SC 10 1277

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proposed sewage disposal system and the next one was 45 Harbor Lane Holly Todd Salt metals LLP map 10A parcel H2 DPR SC 10 2066 proposed Vista pruning. >> Any questions, comments?

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No. And >> go ahead. >> Is this the one with the >> So I got to be the bad guy on this one. I guess >> Yep, you do. Can you hold on one second, Eric? >> Yeah. >> Um, there is an open order for uh ecological restoration >> so they can continue watering.

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>> Yes. >> For how long? Much longer. >> Uh, I think another year or so. I don't have the expiration date on me. >> Thank you. >> So, you don't have to be the bad guy. >> You were saved. All right. Then I think we can have a motion, please.

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>> I move that we approve the certificates of compliance for 45 Old Harbor Road as written. Second >> Bob. >> Hi. >> Eric. >> Hi. >> Paul. >> Hi. >> Janet. >> Hi. >> Elise. >> Hi. >> And I say I. >> Okay. The next please.

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>> Thank you, Madam Chair. Next on the agenda is an appointment to nominate and vote to elect a representative to the preservation committee. >> I I nominate Karen Latin. >> I second. Not.

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>> Okay. >> Any further discussion? >> All right. So, we need a vote. >> Yes. >> Bob, >> I I >> Janet >> I. >> And I say I. >> Thank you, Karen. >> Thank you, Karen.

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>> I've been on it for four years, >> so it's nothing. It's easy. Okay. The next, please. Uh, next on the agenda, Madam Chair, is a discussion for 97 Tilip run, a resolution of a uh, I'll call it a violation.

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And there is Dan. >> Yes. Hello. How are you? >> Good afternoon, Commission. I'm doing well. >> We received your proposal. If you could go over it, please. >> Sure. You mind if I share screen?

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>> Not at all. All right. Can everyone see that? >> All right. So, we are at uh 97 Tilip run out here. Um this is the PA pathway here and the stone paver patio.

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um in response to the letters received from the town and from uh Barnstable County put together a mitigation plan here um to help alleviate some of the concerns regarding storm water uh runoff

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at the site. Um so what we are proposing um we'll start on the left hand side of the page here is to remove the upper two inches of sand at the site. Install a uh a woven cooer matting to hold the sand and then put sand back

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over that. So it'll be below grade here. Um and then around the patio and to the right hand side of the page here. Um, we'll also be removing the upper layer of sand, installing koer matting, um, and then installing plantings through

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that. Um, we were proposing to use, u tufted hairrass plantings. Um, within whatever border is left around the patio, it's pretty minimal. Call it roughly 2 feet. It varies a little bit. Um, and then for u up to 10 feet here on

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the right hand side here with with no plantings, just the matting in this area here. so that uh the applicant can have access um to this side of the yard here. And um that's what we're proposing.

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>> Okay. Um questions, comments? I'll let everybody else go and then I can chime in. >> Do we have any comments from the folks who made proposals, Katherine or Ryan or anybody? >> We don't.

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>> Okay. Um, my my Well, I was trying to find the pictures. Uh, that stone walkway exists currently, correct? >> Correct. >> Okay. Just wanted to make sure.

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>> Um, you're proposing tufted hair grass and that's not native. >> That isn't Massachusetts native. It was it was already part of the approved planting plan for the site.

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It's already out on site. >> Bradford, go ahead. >> The species that you have listed says it's a non-native. So I >> I just wanted to clarify that. Um when I look up the species online, it >> Okay. It's was approved by the

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commission previously, it's already out on site. So you've already done this plan before we >> No, no, no. There part of the approved planting plan. >> Oh. >> For the site has you could that planted on it was already approved by the commission on site.

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>> Um yeah, it is. The pathway is there. I finally found my pictures. Um >> might as well just keep it all the same at this point. Yeah, but if it's not, if we missed that the last time,

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>> is it one of those plants that has um subspecies, some of which are native and some may not be or native? >> I can double check. Yeah, I'm I my understanding is what was proposed was native. Like I said, it was already approved. Not not trying to get away with anything. It was just it was already used out there. No, I I

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understand, but maybe it's something >> says it is native to Massachusetts and New England region. >> I just said, is this native to Massachusetts? It came up. Google says it is.

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>> I may have looked at a a similar species that was non-native. Yeah. >> So, okay. We just want to make sure. Um Yep. >> All right. Anybody have any comments or questions beyond what has already come up? Go ahead, Bob.

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>> Just one quick one. Why uh isn't the matting on the uh west end not planted? >> Because that's the only access to that um section of the shoreline. There's small unplanted area fairly narrow that

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heads that direction. Um and that's the only access to it. So if we plant the whole thing, we'll block the whole thing. Can you can you uh on the right side on the eastern side you just left an area just to walk uh and then you planted the rest of it. Can you do the same thing on

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the west side? I mean I guess in theory we could. Yes. Um this has already been out here for over a year. There's literally no runoff or any concerns at the site at this point. We're providing the matting. I think that's more than sufficient for

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any of this runoff. Well, >> yeah. I like I like planting a little bit more if you can grab it. >> I mean, planting would be an additional way to help it, I would think.

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>> Yeah. How wide is the entrance to that path on the west side where the mash mesh is? probably roughly 8 feetish and then it narrows down pretty quickly as you head in that direction and see kind of the taper in the in the lines on

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the plant. >> Maybe for a compromise you can, you know, do a foot on each each side and be done with this. >> If you want a few plantings on each side, you can probably throw them in there. But >> Okay.

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Well, for the next step, we need a a um field change, right? >> Yeah. I mean, basically, uh procedurally, um I did reach out to Dan and in an email, but we resolved this through sort

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of a a new field change request, which would approve what he's proposing here, and that would uh resolve the uh the issue, which we were looking at as a violation previously. We didn't issue a violation officially to them. We worked

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with them and I think they cooperated at this point and made made some good uh compromises with respect to the >> uh comments that were made by our two experts. So um that's how it would get resolved. uh if you want to plant each side of that. I mean, this is up to you.

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But >> so you're going to come with a field change and with this and hopefully listen to any comments that were made today and maybe modify the plan a little bit and then um

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we'll hear it uh once it's submitted and then we can approve the field change and then this is done. Sounds good. That's >> So, how soon do you think you can submit a field change?

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>> Oh, I'll let you go, Bradford. >> What? Bradford, go ahead. Sorry. >> Uh, not to harbor on the the hair grass. >> No, that's fine. Please. >> Uh, the original plan has dysamia flexubosa,

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uh, which is a New England native. Um your the plan you just submitted has a desciatosa which would be a non-native. Um so just make sure it's the correct >> swap it out with that one. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. That

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that's helpful. Very helpful. So how soon do you think you can submit a field change? >> Probably June. I would say your June would you have a June >> June 10th and 24th. >> Let's put us on for put us on for the

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24th. Um and we'll we'll definitely be ready by then. >> Okay. Do we need to do any motions? We don't because there's not really anything. It was a discussion. >> I would just make a motion to continue it to

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>> to continue it to the for a field change. Yeah. Okay. I move that we continue 97 Tilip run to the meeting on June 24th, 2026 for a field change request. >> Second. >> Bob, >> I

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>> Eric. >> Hi. >> Paul. >> Hi. >> Janet. >> Hi. >> Elise. >> Hi. >> And I say I. Thank you. >> Thank you very much. >> All right. The next please. >> I just have to give a little shout out to Bradford on that one. That was pretty >> Yeah. Thank you very much.

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>> No worries. Um, I figured there was something that would >> We'll move on now to um, uh, a review of the draft proposed land subject to coastal storm flowage regulations. >> Yes. Very exciting.

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So, this is just as background. Um this is our first reading of the regulations and modifications and this is coming about because of a few

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things. Um one being that uh the select board has uh chosen coastal resilience as one of the things that they are concentrating on this year. and as a result so are we.

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Second is uh there are many committees in Chadam who seem to be dealing with aspects of this all at the same time and everybody of course is waiting to hear from us as to what our regulations are

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so they can figure out what they are doing. And third is that we received a wonderful SNEP grant and we are working with Pleasant Bay Alliance, Cape Cod

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Commission, all sorts of people and towns. We have Orleans and Harwitch are actively working on this and Brewster has a lot on their plate, but they were also included. So this is not a Cadam

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effort. This is a regional effort which I think is important to realize as we go forward with this. Having said that, we also reached out to many of the group and we did receive some comments from

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Katherine today, from Greg, from Shannon and Thaad. Right, Janet? Janet's been doing the bulk of the work. So, I very much appreciate that. And I am going to turn it over to Janet now.

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>> Oh, um, thank you. Thank you, Karen. Um, yes, we are beginning to um, some written comments have been submitted. We will gather those into a a master document and uh, post that uh, before

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the next time we have this hearing. Um, some of we have not had a chance to to read through all of them yet. So what you're seeing today is um the draft before all the comments began to come in. So um this is already going to change in response to some of those and

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we've we hope that people are going to come today and I see that there are people online which is great um who will u provide further commentary, ask questions, all of which will uh we'll take into account before we schedule the next hearing which would likely will be

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in two weeks. Um so um you know Karen pointed out this is a regional effort. Um this is really being done regionally in response to the reality of what's been happening to the coastline of Cape Cod. Um with the increase um in storm

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intensity and storm frequency and the unstoppable slow but sure rise of the sea level um the flood plane is now more vulnerable than it has ever been before. And so the time is right um to begin this process. This we see this as a year

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and a halfish long process. Um what we're doing today is simply updating the existing regulations that apply to land subject to coastal storm flowage. Not changing any of the border or the boundary of that area. Um just uh adding

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in um some extra protections that we want to see going forward. We are also adding in um aspects of this the state D has proposed a whole new set of regulations. They have not before now had any performance standards or regs

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for this resource area. They are proposed uh they've been proposed for a year and a half but they um and we are told they are very close to finalizing those. So, we're anticipating that those will come out and we are beginning the process of aligning what we have to that because we'll have to do that anyway

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when they when they are finally published. So, um yeah, this is our chance to begin to to plan for and prepare for our future um and keep up with the changes that are happening uh as they happen and not let it get too

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far ahead of us. So um what we've done you can see we put in red the changes. Um one thing that we have done that we're doing is trying to move away from the use of jargon. Um so that when we go to town meeting and we will have to go

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to town meeting next year to um ask for some changes to the way that the flood plane is defined and delineated and bordered. Um, everyone everyone of us knows that saying Lancer coastal storm flowage is a mouthful and LSCSF, I think

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I have that right, is almost as bad. And we want to be talking to the community about what these are all about. So, we are beginning to just refer to it as the coastal flood plane, which is intuitive. Everybody knows what you're talking about when you say that. you don't have to uh worry too much about I mean people

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have always asked me what the heck does coastal storm flow even mean. So um but because it's a state term for the moment it has to stay in that's why we're using that also referred to and then referring to it that way. So they will have the exact same meaning. Um the rest of the

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preamble we have largely left in place. Um, we updated it a little bit, took out some old uh citations. Um, but the rest of it we thought was is very good as a as a uh education tool. Uh, explains what the coastal flood

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plane does. Uh, its functions and its values. So, we have largely left it in place. Uh, the existing regulations only contain one definition and that is of land subject to coastal storm. So we have added other definitions that um

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some of which we use all the time already some of which um the state is going to ask us to do. So we've added formal definitions of the Azone the AE zone we use that all the time but it's time to have a real definition. We're defining firm. These are the the the

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state definitions of those. Um so one of the big changes and you see it right in the definition is the Vzone is already delineated as it is that's that's not changing. Um what's changing is the Azone behind it. We're subdividing these

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regulations will subdivide it into two areas depending upon the depth of the waves that impact it. So you know the Vzone is anything over three feet average wave. So the moderate wave action closer to the Vzone is where the

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waves are between 1.5 to 3 feet. So that's still receiving a fair amount of of wave energy uh and a lot of flood water. And but further back where the depth of the of the wave is less than one and.5 ft is the minimal wave action

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zone. Um so to the extent to which you want to treat those differently separately, it's easier to have them uh separated into their definitions and then we can talk about what standards ought to apply in each zone. Um we've included definitions of redevelopment

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sites because we have seen this over and over, especially with some of the older structures in the town that are built that were built in the flood plane a long time ago, probably before it was a flood plane. um and people want to do something to those structures. So to the

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extent to which that's treated differently than something new being put there, the state uses redevelopment. So we're going to adopt that definition and call that anything that's pre-existing that's being changed is a redevelopment site. Um and that also triggers things

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like substantial damage and substantial improvement to those structures that are in the flood plane and substantial repair. We've add of foundation. The state building code um the state building code was revised in 2024 for flood plane. Um it requires elevation of

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new structures and structures that are substantially improved or repaired after substantial damage. Um, we just wanted to include references to that from time to time through these to remind applicants and ourselves and the community that um the state building

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code also applies in this area and may require elevation whether whether um we want to or not. We have to comply with the state building code. Um and that's it for the definitions. Then we get to the meat

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>> and then we get to the performance standards divided into a couple of areas. Um the first are the general areas that will apply across the entire flood plane. These are mostly the same. Um the ones the language that's in black

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is lifted directly from the existing um regulations. Um we've added some new ones um about construction materials um preserving existing native soils and

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vegetation um to the extent possible. Um uh there's the and then D is the the first uh reference to any new construction will have to be elevated in accordance with the state building code. Some people have already begun to point to that and say that doesn't really

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belong in a wetlands regulation because it's not part of what we do. Um, if we if people think that it's too confusing to refer to the building code, we can take it out. It applies whether we say anything about it or not. We're just referring to it. Um,

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after thinking about it and discussing it and and for a while, we've decided that the the the velocity zone and the moderate wave action zone should be treated largely the same. So, anything time you're talking about uh waves in

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excess of 1.5 ft, you're talking substantial uh flood damage. Um, and if it's anything over 1.5 ft, it's likely to have substantial energy. And so we did not for this time think it's any reason to separate them. So uh we have

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performance standards for uh the Vzone and what is referred to as the MOA. I'm trying not to use get jargony here. So it's the moderate wave area and the velocity area um are treated in here. Um along with the state uh this is the same

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for for what is currently in the velocity zone. No new construction. Um, we've also are adding no new sheds, garages, septic systems, imperous patios, walkways, hardcapes, swimming pools, outdoor kitchens.

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There's a question about whether we have a prohibition on the use of hazardous materials, uh, including petroleum products. Um it's been pointed out that that could be a problem with um marinas and certain other uh waterfront uh commercial

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activities that are subject to chapter 91 where they're required. So we'll have to think about that. We be interested in taking comment uh on what uh we think about that. What we were thinking about in writing this was uh the the usual situation of a house in the in the flood

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zone that has a garage and whether you're able to store uh petroleum gas tanks in there and what would happen if it got if it flood came and the garage whatever it went down. Um you have no new construction or expansion of roads, parking lots, uh

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impervious public shared use. Um there may be a further question on this one about whether that would apply to the town in terms of um expanding town landing areas. Uh so we'll have to think about that and be interested in taking

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comment on that. Um more building code uh references. Um uh um yeah. So D in the in the uh first set of

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performance standards. Um if a structure in the velocity zone or the moderate wave action zone is substantially damaged or destroyed by flood, it may be rebuilt once. If it

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happens again, um our view is that common sense just says you shouldn't build it again. if it's been wiped out twice, it's not going to it's just not going to it's not sustainable in that location. Uh we can

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talk about um about what the ramifications of that might be. Um but that's the uh starting position. Uh no expansion of uh coastal engineering structures, seaw walls, BMS,

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reetments. Um stairs, boardwalks, peers, and catwalks are generally allowed even if they're not necessarily advisable. Um but bearing in mind their propensity to break apart when hit by some significant

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wave action, we want every piece, every component of those identified so that when they are broken up and and carried away, uh the responsible party can be told to get them and clean up and pay for the cleanup costs of that. Um

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what else? Then there's uh we do have a a a provision at the end of those performance standards that um supports nature-based uh flood protection measures that allow for uh movement of sediment and resources u may be permitted. That is not prohibited and

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that is to be encouraged. Um then we have standards for the minimum wave action which are a little bit looser. It does allow for new construction or expansion. It has to comply with the building code. Um,

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it still has the same hazardous material. I'd be interested in hearing what folks have to say about that in a minimum wave action. It does say fill material can be placed in the minimum wave uh area. Um, but I when we wrote this, we didn't

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realize that our town zoning bylaw prohibits fill um in any part of the flood plane, including the minimum wave. So, uh, that that piece may come out. Um, fences and gates, um, generally prohibited in the velocity zone and the

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moderate wave action zone, permitted in the minimum wave action zone, but have to be designed so that the incoming water can flow through them, under them, through them, however it gets through. Um, we need probably need an engineering certification for those.

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Um, additional standards for redevelopment. Um, existing structures um should be constructed entirely within the footprint of the foundation. Um, um, a couple of the folks in town have commented on that and said, well, you know, maybe it's smaller, so maybe you

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just you can say it it has to it can be no larger than the square footage of the existing. Um, so we may change that to allow that. Um uh anything that is redone has to make things better, not worse. That's common

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sense. >> And uh that's about it. >> So I think we welcome comments, questions. >> Let's start with the commissioners. What do you >> uh It's a lot to take in.

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It is a lot to take in, but I want to say that I appreciate all the work that was put into it. >> Most importantly, the language, the fact that it's >> um >> user friendly, >> userfriendly everyday language instead

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of legal ease. It makes it much easier to understand and I think people are going to retain the rules better >> if there's a god in heaven. Also, >> there's always the ability to apply for a variance. >> That's right. >> For anything. >> That's right. >> So,

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>> that's true. Even in the even the prohibition and the velocity zone is subject to the variance. >> I mean, we understand that there are houses like we heard today, Harding Beach Road that are totally within the 50 and you know have

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>> part of that's in the flood zone. >> Yeah. Flood zone, everything. And you know, we we need to be of course cognizant of that. And I think we tried to be as sort of gentle as possible with these

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saying we need to protect it, but we also we have to set parameters. >> Clearly logical >> some rules and regulations. But if you have a buildable lot and it's in a low action or no action flood plane area,

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you can still build your building. >> Sure. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Right. >> Yeah. I mean, just like everything that comes before us now. >> Yeah. >> You know, we work with people. So, this is just in recognition of the fact that

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>> I mean, it's not >> we've got erosion issues all over. We have our coastal zone. I mean, we just heard from Tippy. um they've they're a prime example of what you know where we need some resilience and and what's

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going on. So um uh Heather, I don't know you're on. So do you have any comments at this time? >> Yeah, we want to thank the Cape Commission for um really spearheading this effort across the entire Cape by developing model uh bylaw and model

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regulations. We used a lot of that language in here. So, um, and and the hope is that this it truly does become a regional effort and that all the towns, not even just the Pleasant Bay Alliance towns, but all the towns across the Cape will begin adopting these same things. So, thank you, Heather.

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>> And I know Carol's also on, but Heather, do you have any comments or anything at this point? >> I don't. Um, you know, I thank you for um taking this up and incorporating this

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the language into your model. I I'll be honest, I've been away the last week, so I haven't scrutinized it, but um it looks great, looks consistent, and I'm happy to try to answer any questions that might come up here today.

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>> Thank you so much for being here in addition for all your guidance. uh being here is also helpful. Carol, I know that you're on and I know you have a very limited time. I didn't know if you have any comments or anything you want to say at this point.

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>> Thank you very much. And I apologize I'm I'm I'm rude right now, but I did just want to say how how um encouraged we are by the commission's work um and you're taking leadership in this. Um, the alliance has done a fair amount of work

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to assess the potential vulnerabilities with within Pleasant Bay as a result of climate change and increased storm frequency and intensity. As Janet mentioned, um we've been able to document through the storm tide pathways work with uh center for coastal studies

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that with every 6 in increase in uh water levels, you know, anywhere from 40 to 80 um acres of additional land along the Pleasant Bay shoreline will will be inundated. So, these are real um stresses that we anticipate in the

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future with continued sea level rise. And um just uh you know note that there are about um 63 um locations where there are public facilities and public access points along the shoreline. So the importance of this work I just want to underscore

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that and our appreciation for the commission taking on this this complex issue. We certainly will have more to say in the future but I just wanted to say that at the outset um and just uh you know appreciation for your work. >> Thank you. Um, is there anybody who is

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online who might want to comment at this time on anything? I'm not seeing anybody that's raising their hand or showing. So, um,

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I don't know if there was anything that jumped out at all of you as far as things that maybe you'd like to see changed. Oh, Sean's got his hand up. So, go ahead, Sean.

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>> All right. So, yes, the only thing I just wanted to the the fill the filling in the minimal wave action zone. I think you've already acknowledged the fact that the zoning bylaw covers that and I think it would add confusion if you added it that in there that you did have

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the ability to do that. Um, it just made it Yeah, it's just a conflict between the two. So, >> I think you've already acknowledged that. Um, and just uh redevelopment, I think you you touched on it as well. Redevelopment within the flood zone um probably needs a little bit more work.

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Trying to keep it in the same footprint is probably not likely because you you really want to move if you could further inland or landward and you may have a little piece of it that's uh still in the flood zone. Um, but as you said, as long as you're advancing to the better,

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uh, reducing the coverage and, um, and making more flood uh, resilient, I think you're on the right track. So, I just wanted to make those two comments. You guys are doing a great job. >> Thank you. Um, enough note what he said. Uh, as I'm

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sure Janet has. Okay. Anyone? Was there anything that glared or something that you can think of? I mean, I know Jen went over it pretty thoroughly but quickly. Um,

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is there anything that anybody can think of that should be included or that as you heard it, you said, "Gee, I'm not sure that's that's a great thing to have in there." When I read the part about

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marking every plank and uh whatever in in things that washed into the into the ocean. Um I thought that was Is that in the regul? That's not in the regulations now. Is that new or is it >> new? That's new.

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>> I I thought that was brilliant on one side and probably cause for challenge on the other. >> So I think it's I think it's perfect for this kind of a thing. >> Yeah. >> I mean >> Yeah. especially an outside griller and stuff like that. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.

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>> My stuff's not marked. I'm not in a flood plane. >> Um >> Sharpie. >> Yeah. >> I mean, >> so we should we should prepare for the questions that come in on that one, which I know you will. >> Well, and we'll manage questions as they

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come, of course. I you know and as I said everything you know people come to us all the time and we listen and we do we try and work with everybody and I think it just gives us a a document to

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to lean on to say this is what you know we're we're trying to follow and hopefully it makes people as they're applying for anything think about what they're asking to do.

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Um, and a lot of this, as Janet said, is in the D regs. And once the D regs become, you have been voted on and accepted, then we have to I mean, what they have

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is our umbrella and then we just get more more specific. So, we're trying to not have to do this too many times. So, anybody anything? Um, I think Janet

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said we're hoping to come before everybody for a second read at the next meeting, which is May 27th. Then my goal when I was thinking about dates is to then

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not have the third read June 24th. And the reason for that is because the lease will be back. And I'd like hopefully to have all of our commissioners or as many as possible. But everybody having been a

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part of more than one read um you know I we need to make sure it meets everybody's >> all of our commissioners. You're looking at them. >> I know. Well, yeah. But

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yeah, we have them knocking on the door out there. They're in line to become a commissioner here because we're we're just such a great group. >> All right. It's not the group, it's the it's the topic.

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>> It's an important topic. Obviously, you know, everybody's concentrating on it right now. And you know, when you hear D's modifying Cape Cod Commission, you know, Pleasant Bay is interested, all these towns are interested, it's not

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something we're doing in a in a vacuum with without a lot of other parties being a part of this process. So, you know, I certainly don't want to take this on

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if we didn't have all of this help. And the huge part has been all of the help we've received going, you know, in the past and going forward. >> It couldn't have been done without all of it. >> All right. We don't need a motion.

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Correct. Yeah. So the next time we are going to talk about this is on June 20 uh May 27th. >> Yeah. >> Um so we will let you all know uh when

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we have something new. I'll do what I did this time. I'll put it in teams with a separate folder under the date and then uh you you all can read it. Um, and we of course Heather and and if

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Carol's still on and everybody, we will forward it to all of you and of course all of the people in our departments here in Chadam. So I appreciate all the input. Um, we've got a lot of good comments.

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>> All right. Next thing, please. Last >> last thing on the agenda are minutes to be approved January 28th, 2026 and April 1st, 2026. >> Okay, we're going to do with them separately because different people were missing. Um, the first is January 28th,

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which Janet and Elise were uh absent for. So, were there any modifications to January 28th? I think we went through this previously and then

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>> um just realized we couldn't vote. So um if there's no changes, we have a motion, please. >> I move that we approve the minutes of January 28th, 2026. >> Second. >> Bob, >> I. >> Eric,

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>> I >> Paul >> I. >> Janet >> abstain. >> Elise >> abstain. >> And I say I. Okay. The next one, please. That's April 1st. Anybody have any comments on

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that one or modifications? And that one only Eric was missing. So, everybody else can vote. No modifications. I went through. It's pretty simplistic. >> I move that we approve the minutes from

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April 1st, 2026. I can still second. >> Yeah. >> Second. >> Okay. Bob, >> hi. >> Eric, >> Paul. >> Hi, >> Janet. >> Hi, >> Elise. >> Hi. >> And I say I.

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>> Okay. And we need one more motion. >> I move that we adjourn the hearing. >> Second. >> Bob. >> I. >> Eric. Hi. >> Paul. >> I. >> Janet. I. >> Elise. >> I. And I say I. >> And we are done.