##VIDEO ID:jh6TB1M13GU## e e e e e e e e [Music] oh [Music] [Music] oh [Music] good afternoon this is a meeting of the Conservation Commission being held on November 6th 2024 in accordance with the Massachusetts Wetlands protection act and the town of chattam wetlands protection by law and regulations my name is Karen Laton and I serve as the chair today's hearing is is being broadcast live on exfinity channel 1072 and is being recorded for the on demand archives available on the town's website it's being conducted in person by phone and by video conference the agenda instructions on how to attend and copies of documents for review are posted on the town's website to all participants whether attending by phone or online please remain muted unless you have been recognized by the chair when recognized please identify yourself for the record if you're attending by phone you can mute and unmute by using star six if you're online and you're not a commissioner please keep your camera turned off unless you've been recognized indicate that you wish to speak by using the raised hand feature so that we have a quorum I will now ask each commissioner to indicate their presence Vice chair Elise Gordon present Jan Williams present Cheryl missery is not here Eric H Hilbert present Paul Johnson present Bob Delio is not here but I am and so we have a quorum before we begin the agenda Catherine are there any announcements about any requests for continuances today yes we have three requests for continuance uh request for an order of conditions at 594 old Harbor Road the applicant request has requested a continuance to November 13th 2024 notice of intent at 217 Woodland way the applicant has requested a continuance to December 4th 2024 and requests to an amend and an order of conditions at 1070 Orleans Road the applicant has requested a continuance to November 13 2024 great thank you at this point Katherine Ricks chams assistant conservation agent will now lead us through the agenda okay we will start with the requests for orders of conditions the following is is a request for an order of conditions at parcel h13 Captain NS way map 11c parcel h13 for minglewood Homes Incorporated Mass D SE number 10- 3698 construction of a dwelling within the riverfront area and the buffer zone to a Coastal Bank and construction of a swimming pool within the buffer zone to a Coastal Bank good afternoon and David Clark CL engineering on behalf of minglewood I'm good thank you um I I think the only issue that was found and I I I think uh um Chen Crawford uh has already uh corresponded with staff on his number 16 on the yes first page um that needs to be clarified a little bit at least do you want to read what we wrote do you have it or do you want me to find it I okay yes she also found a discrepancy between two of our uh things one said four trees will be removed from the circle and the other said five so we corrected that to say okay four for both right so number 10 is corrected to the culdesac will have four trees removed and mitigated with sweet Fern Etc and then number 16 is except for the trees that must be remov for the digging of the foundation all other trees being removed will be flush cut to the ground yeah see that's still a problem and that we got trees coming out for the driveway um septic system so I think it's trees within the mitigation area uh is is the intent of that I would assume and that you don't want equipment down in the mitigation areas um so are we going are we going to flush cut any trees in the M if trees are I think the non-natives that are coming out in the uh in the mitigation area and the restoration areas it makes sense just to FLH cut those um but typically when when uh they go in and clear a sight for house construction they take everything okay question can we add some wording to to leave snags any snags on the property well if they're in the work limit for the house they they're coming out obiously not then they clean out so okay but other places like mitigation could we say leaving a snag oh I I would assume that's okay yeah okay so maybe what we'll do is word it as all trees within the mitigation area will be at left as snags no yeah they're not being removed trees in the mitigation area in fact I don't think there are any looking at the mitigation area there aren't any existing trees that are left there I've just never seen that condition before and that how do you build a house and leave the roots um I and limiting it just to the foundation um I don't think will work so if we said limit of work Li limit of work within the limit of work will may be removed yeah okay so we'll modify it to ex it changed the wording from Foundation to the within the limit of work moved within the limit of work within the limit of work okay and that would pick up anything else that's not within the limits maybe there are some in the mitigation maybe there are there are definitely some on the bank that are not part of the uh limit of work so but I don't know that they're being removed but just in case maybe the circle okay yeah yeah what about the circle I believe there are non-natives coming out of Circle Four coming out so are they going to have their Ro pull out I don't I I think uh Jen said she wasn't going to be able to make the meeting but no she's not I would imagine if if I were doing is uh removing invasive and planting natives those could be flush cut okay so this language of because they're not within the limit of work this would still be fine so all other trees will be flush cut to the ground okay okay all right then any other changes or anybody on conservation who had anything that they wanted changed okay then I think we can have a motion I move that we close the hearing on parcel h13 Captain n's way and approve the order of conditions as written and revised second okay Paul hi Janet um I'm continue to be troubled by this one um and uh partly because the number of mature native black Oaks that are coming out and I understand the need for taking out a lot of trees when you're developing a lot and I understand that this lot undeveloped is full of trees a lot of them have to go on the other side you know the chatam bylaw says that in all cases impacts to protected areas must be in the first case avoided and when they can't be avoided in the second case they are minimized and only then are they mitigated and I just throughout all these hearings um I don't believe that enough effort has been made to avoid and to minimize the impacts so I am voting no Elise I Eric I and I say I thank you thank you okay Katherine we're ready for the next okay the following is a request for an order of conditions at 594 old Harbor Road map 16h parcel 10 a-7a for Amanda p and Christina D van Fleck Mass D SE number 10 uh sorry there is no se number yet and then invasive plant management and restoration the applicant has requested a continuance to November 13th 2024 great thank you so Elise I move that we continue 594 old Harbor Road to November 13 2024 second okay Paul hi Janet I Elise I Eric I and I say I all right the next one Katherine okay the next is the uh request to amend an order of conditions at 1070 Orleans road map 10 10K parcel 23- A2 for John and Mary Bole Mass D SE number 10-36 11 Landscaping construction of a boardwalk phase one addition of fiber rolles the applicant has requested a continuance to November 13 2024 he Elise I move that we continue 1070 Orleans Road to November 13th 2024 second Paul hi Janet hi Elise hi ER I and I say I all right Katherine next one I like okay we're quite happy on to the notices of intent we have a notice of intent application at zero crosswind Farm Road map 10j parcel 17 A- lp36 for Joseph jalimo and Hannah huart M SE number 10- 3688 proposed single family dwelling she did good afternoon everyone hi uh for the record my name is Hannah Raditz Wetland scientist with BSC so what is in front of you right now is a minor revision to the previously proposed single family dwelling at zeroc crosswind Farm um in recent weeks it was decided that it would be more beneficial to have a shared driveway the shared driveway as you can see very easily up on the screen probably better than you can on the board is that red outline which sort of straddles the line between um the property where the house is proposed which is that corner lot for zeroc crosswind farm and the adjacent lot just to the South is also zeroc crosswind Farm but is associated with the house at I believe 32 crosswind Farm they have signed on to this notice of intent application to allow for this proposed driveway just as what's was previously proposed it will be an asphalt paved driveway for the majority of it uh just due to the steepness to control erosion but as with the previous driveway a uh trench drain is still proposed at the edge of the driveway to catch and filter that storm water buun off the gravel parking lot area is also shown on the plan and that will be where they have cars parked there this is just at the edge of the uh mapped uh canopy as you can see the canopy Edge kind of comes over it but that's just overhang from a few branches and it does not mean that any trees will have to be removed as you can see the closest two trees surveyed in that area those two small Cedars those will still remain um overall this is is quite a a betterment um the only other shift that I might bring to your attention is a removal of one of the Red Oaks we did change the location of one of the Cedars which was closest to the neighboring driveway which curbs close to the property um we just relocated it a little bit further and we removed one of the red oak trees just to make some more space for that movement of the Ceder but we're still at a 1:1 ratio for the removal of trees that are proposed uh as as included in the revised plan letter this is this is a betterment to all resource areas we have elimination of all work within land subject to Coastal storm Flowage a reduction of 920 sare ft of impact to the outer Aura of of um Coastal Bank which was originally uh uh 2,610 and is now 1,690 and finally we also have a reduction to the outer Aura of salt marsh where previously it was 1,480 now it is 966 with a 54 square foot reduction there is a small increase to the outer edge of the AC however this is that that bordering Edge as you can see the the AC is sort of like a triangle across our site and because we're Shifting the driveway slightly we're still within that AC however that new impact is further from AC not closer to The Cove which is associated with this AC at this time I will turn it over to the Commissioners for any questions okay my this is sort of business side of it not about your plan I'm not really sure why the neighboring property was included in the noi because we have no jurisdiction over their property I believe you just have a tiny amount within AC within that shared driveway oh just a portion because yep both properties will have this on their deed and they're aware of that they are aware so I think yesterday someone con I hope contacted you from conservation and was asking you to check with d to see if a Butters letters needed to be sent out out again based off of the second property being added I didn't receive any email notification no I don't think well I don't know if it that was a that was a concern of mine as well um because this is a change to scope it would probably add on one or two additional Butters in which case you do have to R notify everyone okay so we can't really move forward with this because not all the butters have been notified um at this point um what else um you do need to remove the stakes for the old driveway and then my last question and then I'll let others know or ask is who's digging on the property cuz nobody at conservation was notified hi I'm Joe jamo I'm the property owner uh Craig charier has been digging because um at the uh planning board uh meeting last month or maybe in September I think now um we discussed the potential historical impact of the area so I contacted Craig and asked him if he'd be able to do a preliminary uh survey of the site and looked for things and he agreed that he could come out um and we discussed it and he wasn't aware that he had to let anyone know because it was because we haven't issued an order yet so technically nothing should be going on there okay and who is Craig he's an archaeologist with um oh I forget the name of his company but he's done work around chadam he did the Atwood house dig and things like that so he I know he's known to the uh historic Commission so I and he was willing to uh you know issue a letter or something to explain everything he's doing for Conservation Commission as well so I can reach out to him and have him contact right but he has to stop now but he has to stop now okay sure sure what oh I'm sorry um well first does do any Commissioners have anything else they want to say or ADD and then um Frank I do see you have your hand but I'll call on you once we've done the commissioners um yeah I have a question for hannnah so I'm we're still I'm still struggling I think some of us are with the extent to which the the new driveway proposed driveway is within our jurisdiction yeah so I see part of I see a line I'm going to if you can see where I am AC limit is here where I'm moving comes down to the corner of the house and then drops down mhm it's sort of like a triangle shape bed so it's not crossing the driveway it's it's away from the driveway the driveway is in oh there it is down the bottom I see down here it just keeps going so but that's not on this property right so that's on the that's why we have to have the abutter joined because that portion is within AC jurisdiction in which case we need it Stak Stak so y because we couldn't tell where we can't we can't tell when we're out there where the driveway actually is so it it should have been staked for us um any other things the area of the driveway within the AC jurisdictional area is the gravel portion that's not going to be paved correct part of the it will be gravel and part of it will be asphalt well I thought the asphalt part was the approach from the road where beginning with the trench drain and moving up and then the parking are to the crossed line so there some dotted lines um dotted red lines that are all Crossing yep yep right so that's where the gravel will start okay so the only area within our jurisdiction is gravel there's no Paving within there is where if this is the AC line here right so moving moving towards the bay is all your jurisdiction so all right so it's the other way around so most of the driveway is within there just okay in that case let me ask you this it seemed to me standing at the site that this new location is significantly less is less sloped than the previous one do you know what the what the um the angle is what do we is the last one was 7% I think and then you said that was too steep to have gravel so do you know what this one is because it looks flatter it does not look like there's any problem with it being a per and if I don't have the slope percent um it's my understanding that because of the grading which you could see the grading lines as they cross the driveway to to make it flatter it it will be increasing in in steepness um well here it is this is roughly the area MH seems pretty flat TOS that's not 70% there's no way yeah it can't be anything like that um so I would like to I would like that information of of some justification for proposing that and then I will also put you on notice that I I would still want to see it done in perious Pavers or perious Asal or something that is not impermeable within an AC protected area last question and this is for the homeowner so so this picture shows you the existing garage on the on the adjoining property which has a a paved driveway accessing it why is there a need for another driveway what's going to become of that one I I don't know what's going to be that's so the the lot with the existing house and the lot that we're proposing to build on are both within a Family Trust right the one in the middle belongs to my sister uh and I she has expressed that someday down the line she may want to build so there are three properties along here the one that you're developing this empty space and then the next one is already so this new driveway is going to possibly serve a 2B developed exactly okay I couldn't understand why putting it there to service that house way over there okay okay so it's a driveway to no place right for the it's yeah okay um anything else from Commissioners okay Frank I know you have your hand up you're muted Frank did we lose him no he's still got his hand yeah Frank massina yes I'm sorry good go ahead sorry about that I was having trouble getting online I apologize and U I appreciate your recognizing me hi I'm Frank msen uh currently chairman of the historical commission and I just wanted to to say a couple of words and especially since the subject was brought up relative to the work the archaeologist Craig cier is doing on on the site and I appreciate the the patience of yourself the Conservation Commission and the owner I think who reacted to the requests from by myself and your agent to mass historic for a little bit of a uh formality relative to the historical significance of cultural resources potentially on this property uh and I do appreciate very much so the fact that the owner has initiated independently on his own even though as you say digging on that property is probably something you wanted to be noticed about and the cross over here between your areas of responsibility and Authority conservation and the issue of archaeological resources and preserving them where necessary will not the serving them uh so again it's kind of a thank you you know that we're doing this that you're you're acknowledging you know that there potentially is an issue and more importantly the owner I really don't know him personally and just some correspondents but I appreciate the fact that he he did initiate the Dig and I would hope that if in fact that archaeologist Craig cardier Craig cardier is a very pretty much renowned AR archaeologist he did the archaeological dig a few hundred feet from there from the Nickerson family Homestead in the Nickson Family Cemetery which is also nearby um you know we all have reason to believe that this whole area was part of the Nickerson Homestead and the estate and the fact that you know somebody's looking at it to become completely obtuse in a way in the sense that what we hope the historical commission combining with yourselves conservation and potentially other boards of commission you know look at potentially some kind of a bylaw in the future in that would allow the town at least to exert authorities the wrong word ex some you know well maybe Authority is the right word where when we have an area which is so archaeologically sensitive as this is that at least we we ask the homeowner to stop and take a look and perform a survey uh as what the owner is doing with Craig cardier to know whether or not we're right or wrong that this could be part of a family burial ground and in fact this is nothing more than a cemetery um over over time anyway I I realize it is really not ger main relative to what you're trying to do from a Conservation Commission but I do appreciate the fact that you've been cooperative and uh asking the homeowners to take a look even though I guess it was the planning board that suggested that we stop and take a look before we do some major digging on the property I realize this is Paul I'll call on you in a second but Frank I think our issue right now and because we have not written an order yet is that something was started without the order having been issued or anyone in conservation being notified so having said that uh Paul go ahead yes thank you thank you madam chair I can appreciate uh all your comments Frank I just want to clarify the record I did not initiate nor did the commission initiate um any request to do an archaeological dig I made a phone call correct to the state asking what our responsibilities might be because we were unclear at that time um with regard to the issue that Frank raised early on about this being a sensitive site we received a letter that was addressed to me I'm not sure why it was addressed to me because I simply placed a phone call but in any event um I just want to make sure that everyone understood we didn't initiate anything we don't have any archaeological performance standards in our bylaw um but I I understand that there's sensitivity about this issue but let's just be clear on the record Frank I didn't initiate nor did the commission initiate the the activity that's going on right now there or uh a uh substantial archaeological dig thank you mam chair thank you Paul thank you if I if I may comment Paul thank you very much I I do I do agree with everything you said and and appreciate the fact and that's why I think all my comments have been kind of hesitant because there is no standard there is no by law there is no Authority and I think I preface this by thanking the homeowner I granted if there is some requirement for him to notify somebody before he digs that's within your purview and and you know why has why Mass historic addressed it to you rather than responding to me with a similar letter I don't know it's just Mass historic but again you know the fact that something is happening and again thank you very much as I said we hadn't written the order yet and we were prepared to but when this nose of intent was modified it stopped the production of that order because you've got new people you've got a new plan and so we had to vet all of this um and I I had figured that in the order we would put something that would say that as you know construction was beginning and digging was happening that people be very cognizant of what could possibly be there and do it carefully so um having said that um you still need to notify a butter againin and so we can't continue this to an order yet because the abutters have not had an opportunity to chime in understood I just had a quick question go ahead um on the driveway why in instead of all that work and why can't you just go west and join the other driveway why why do you have to make partial driveway down to join when you can just go west straight line and just join the other driveway you mean the existing one yeah the existing one because there's a property in between the driveway on but you're joining that property right no there's a second property in between this buildable and the one that's buil I think it's 32 or 38 then there's like a very narrow zero and then there's another zero okay thank you so we need to continue it and you need to notify a Butters again um s it STI and you need to stake it uh so clarify the slope and the materials I think uh a month would be good because it might take a week to get a butter the butter notification and then do the stake out so we are talking we have de December 4th and December 11th perhaps we can aim for December 4th and if there's a delay we'll get back to the conservation department as soon as we can to request a extension if needed okay I move that we continue zeroc crosswind Farm Road to December 4th 2024 second okay Paul all right Janet I leise I Eric I and I say I thank you all for your time thank you little bit okay Catherine oh yes um just so you know we've already dealt with your captain nolles oh you did yes we approved it oh well thank you yep D or you could just stay here for the day if you if you if you find this I know how much you enjoy our meetings you know all right thank you welcome bye okay Catherine the next okay notice of intent application at two Salt Pond road map 17j parel 7-4 for Gerald a milen mass D SE number 10- 3704 repair to an existing Stone rentman how are you I'm great thank you good afternoon I'm Bob Perry Cape cut engineering thank you for the introduction are you taking green cards nowadays you don't um I'll you can give those to Crystal very good um this stems this project a two Sal Pon Road stems from an emergency authorization that the commission granted want to say in in June and it took a little bit more time to put it together um uh the contractor went in and did the work uh about two months maybe a month and a half after the emergency was authorized and because it's difficult to get people to respond and get work done as quickly as you would like the emergency authorization had a Time clock of of 30 days after the work started and not from when the emergency was actually discussed so that was very helpful if you go there today you hardly know that anything was done the grass came back um there there is a about a 40-ft section of the revetment that slipped and it it's different case than a sign a significant case that you've seen I think the geology of Minister's point is is different I think it we don't know exactly what's down there but it seems to be a more Consolidated formation and it just doesn't wash away as rapidly with the current that's there we had a um hydrographic survey done uh prior to to doing the plan so we could see what kind of slope we're dealing with and it is a slope that if you if your toe Stone becomes uncovered and if the contractor didn't set that toe Stone so that it would have a tendency to fall back toward the Earth or toward toward the land um if they're on a slope they could actually stay there but if they're unstable because of the placement then they could slip we believe that's what happened here and they fetched up down there under the water and the contractor was able able to clear out unstable stones and set new chips and new armor it's a little rougher which is better than the wall that was there and so the notice of intent has been filed to cover the work that was done and to hold open the possibility and the desire for an order of conditions to be in place for similar work should that become necessary so we're showing a kind of a jumble down at the profile bottom of the profile we think it's something like that it's nobody's Gone Diving to take a look at it but it is um a a collection of fetched up uh stone that was available to reset the face and the chips on so there is no regular tidle wash down at that level we do have currents we do have wave pressure forces but it seems to be holding the repair that was done in 2018 which is a very same type of work has been stable since since it was done in 2018 so our hope is that the track record relating to that type of effort will continue and uh that's really where we are with this the work's done similar work might be necessary again we hope not so there's that's it happy to take questions I I'm GNA see if anybody else has questions before I go in go ahead I just want I just want to clarify Bob so even though we had issued uh an emergency authorization for the work was the work done in some way that was beyond that that you feel that it needs this further authorization through an order of conditions good good question the the work that is done under an emergency authorization is required to be it's my understanding it's required to be then presented through a notice of intent that's mandated within 30 days okay so once the once the revetment was was taken apart I know when we first spoke to you and we talked about the emergency we we we thought that the Rocks fetched up as they as we now know they did MH and we were going to reset the face stones on what was there something close to that was done okay but the machine did set itself down a little more it's a little bit more like a remodeling job once they started taking it apart they realized what needed to be done and nothing significantly different was done okay except for a clearing out of a little bit of bedstone an application of replacement fabric because the other fabric had torn and so the notice of intent that you have is an accurate depiction and narrative for what was actually done under the emergency authorization okay okay that's clear but you're also hoping that this could cover any future yeah well repair work we've done it twice now because of the scouring of the bottom at the toe location if we're going to file a notice of intent we're going to get an order of conditions that's a three-year permit I thought it would be appropriate to at least have a scope of work included going forward on a contingency should it be needed that's really all this is so the the only uncertainty in that is the location and that would depend on where the the failure occurs next should it occur right and what but the repair but doesn't that assume that the failure then would be exactly the same as what happened in this 40 foot section so necess so that the repair would be exactly the same what I'm saying is that you don't know necessarily I don't what's going to happen on that revetment I don't and I do believe though that rather than have another emergency filing it might be just cleaner if let's say for example we have some slippage either where this was repaired or in another location and we bring that to the attention of the agent or even the commission if you put it into your conditions that we have something to deal with now if the scope is beyond what we show you here then maybe you would want an amended order or a new order or something it's hard to right it it to be honest it's hard it feels a bit like signing a blank check we're just saying you know if it if this thing needs repair and go for it and and do what needs to be done without that's a little bit hard to foresee I can you know maybe it be possible to say something like should slippage occur in the same in much like the has already occurred before than the same repair that was done and approved could be done and approved with you know notice to the agent and the specifics of how that would be done well this is a good I'm glad you're bringing it up because it's there's always I'm just trying to wrap my head around you know I don't like signing black checks for example this application is um I I don't want to say it's too General but it is a general request that should repair work be necessary that's similar to what we've just undergone we'd like an order of conditions to do it under if it's consistent work right well that would be I see I understand completely why You' want to do that it would it would speed up the process you could address the problem in a much faster more effective way than you know filing for another emergency and then another well an emergency isn't always granted um and things can get out of control one other thing just to mention it's a licensed rment and it really does need to be pretty much in its location it's still probably within tolerance of that we're only working above the toe uh although the toe is moved it moved by natural forces but I mean if this thing were to slide out and go to the bottom there's I think there's some about 18t deep water here just just about 30 ft off mhm um this doesn't cover what this doesn't cover a wholesale new revetment with you know crazy expansion of toast Stone I don't know how to help you continue or condition it but if if it's simply a revisiting of any problem that is brought to say to the owner's attention or my attention has to come to you for some form of clarification before the commission would decide if it's consistent with the order right right and I'm not exactly sure what that would what that documentation would be yeah it's hard to imagine I mean I can see some way of thinking about this in terms of of of an ongoing maintenance of a permitted revetment that's all it is but the difference between maintenance repair and reconstruction gets yeah gets hard so well my picture of this order and of this proposal is that there's a order of conditions to take every face Stone Off the Wall set it aside and examine if there's a problem and then to replace that M but not to increase the height or the thickness and so I I can appreciate the difficulty I yeah but if you I'm sorry buting in but if you are saying that I mean you might have to do another section at what point is it do you say we need to redo the revetment rather than a what I'll call a bandaid and I mean it seems you're coming to us for approval of a Band-Aid it's actually a reconstruction of a segment that the first time this type of work was done lasted for six years so far now it's a Band-Aid yes it's a good Band-Aid yeah a tourniquet yeah and like Janet I'm I'm struggling with how to I mean obviously you would have to come for approval for any work that was going to be done you know because it's not necessarily identical to what you just did and it may not be how how do we you know we're not approving you know it we never know what what the condition will be you know so how I'm struggling with how we write this well if if someone came before you and had evaluated what went wrong the next time they would describe it for you and they would help you and themselves understand if it was consistent or not if it's too much then another way to handle it is to Simply issue an order for the repair that was made and Let It Go I I do want to stress that the purpose of this request is to avoid the awkwardness of an emergency authorization and I guess next meeting you have a COC request for the other order that was for this re not implemented was there was a there was a another stop Gap back in the old days and and that's there's there would it's not it's expensive part of part of many of these projects in certain locations with you know different Applicances that they are concerned about the cost and when the input from an engineer with some knowledge and a contractor with talent in fixing these is no stranger to that sort of thing can without any apparent adverse environmental impact render a repair it's cost effective and it's a very reasonable way to go all right but you do have I think that you've asked that that be closed next meeting right that was ungodly expensive and we have the order expired and there's no point in keeping it open so it's one of those you check box one say the work was never started so I mean does anybody do you have any questions Eric um the only thing I would say I would think anything would be emergency order on this property any type of slippage too bad it couldn't be done like on an RDA if it happened to slip but that's that's you're in the resource too big of a project for RDA so while we're on that topic if you are working on a stone revetment are you actively altering a a resource area or are you altering a revetment you are working in the water and I I I've rarely seen it on an RDA but we'd accept it of course just kidding so I'm gonna let Katherine speak go ahead and then I've got another go ahead I I just had a couple a couple items on this um there I think when it comes to impact you also have to consider your temporary impacts for access to the site um so that's one thing with you know RDA versus noi and and emergency but also on this one um I don't remember receiving any alternatives analysis that was on this so um that's something I think that needs to be considered especially when it is something like just small section repair and not looking at the full site and um the future of it and as a result I had that that we need the Alternatives analysis but we also need a letter of requesting a variance aha okay because you're certainly within 50 ft of water so we do need um and if it's a separate letter and it includes the Alternatives analysis um Crystal and Katherine have um samples for you if you need that and I'd be happy to look at those um so having said that obviously we have to continue so when do you want to continue to I mean well the work was done we're hoping for no other things um but it's just because you're asking for an order that allows you to go right to potentially do other work in the future we have to have that alternativ analysis and the variance otherwise and again we we'd be presuming that we know what's going to happen in the future so so I I I get all that and I'm I'm happy to try to address it I think I'll consult with the owner to see what his wishes are obviously the alternatives are you could get carried away I don't see any reason to do that um and so we just need something we'd want to get you some some thoughtful approach to um say a premonition of of what might be going on and and the axis is certainly an impact and in your note you call it the the um you know the 50 Foot impact yeah and you you know as Katherine said an impact of the access to the site right so we'll do that in a month would work for me okay I safe to say December 4th or December 11th I think the 4th would be fine okay we can have a motion I move that we continue to Salt Pond Road to November 4th 2024 I'm sorry December 4th 2024 second okay Paul I thank you Janet I Elise I Eric I and I say I thank you thanks for taking it up bye bye thank you okay Catherine okay notice of intent at 217 Woodland way map 11k parcel hc1 125 for John and Paul perlowski Mass D SC number 10- 3702 construction of a Swimming Pool and Patio within the buffer zone to a Coastal Bank the applicant has requested a continuance to December 4th 2024 okay we just need a motion I move that we continue 217 Woodland way to December 4th 2024 second okay Paul hi Janet hi Elise I Eric I and I say I okay Katherine next okay moving on to certificates of compliance the first two are on the same property so I will open them together and it is a request for certificate of compliance at 594 old Harbor Road map 16h parcel 7A for Howard Fleck Mass D SE number 10-24 47 Shoreline protection and or nourishment along the shoreline and a request for certificate of compliance at 594 old Harbor Road map 16h parcel 7A for Howard vanle Mass D SE number 10-1 1524 sewage Disposal system upgrade and I recommend issuing the certificates of compliance for both of these okay does anybody have any questions all right we do a motion I move that we approve both certificates of compliance for 594 old Harbor Road second Paul hi Janet I Elise I Eric I and I say I okay the next okay and the next two are for a single property so I will open both at the same time certificate of compliance at three scallop Terrace map 15a parcel h14a for Paul and Patricia swensson Mass D SE number 10- 3363 after the fact order of conditions to approve the changes made during construction including larger outdoor shower additional step near front Landing bigger driveway expansion of Second Story deck installation of an atg grade patio under the approved deck and a request for certificate of compliance at three scallop Terrace map 15a parcel 8 h14a for Paul and Patricia Swinson Mass D SE number 10- 3290 rais and rebuild the dwelling and I recommend issuance of certificate of compliance for both of those projects anybody have any questions okay we have a motion I move that we approve both certificates of compliance for three scallop Terrace second Paul hi Janet I El I Eric I and I say I I left him hanging okay Catherine the next okay and we have one for the next property so request for a certificate of compliance at 356 and 366 Shore Road map 16f Parcels 25- E5 and 24 A- E6 for CBI owner LLC Mass D SE number 10-35 00 beach access stairs and I re recommend issuing the certificate of compliance for this project and it was a project where the work was not completed great thank you go ahead leis I move that we approve the certificate of compliance for 356 and 366 Shore Road second Paul hi Janet hi Elise hi Eric hi and I say I okay Catherine next week we have the 2025 hearing and deadline schedule review yep did everybody look at the dates that were posted in that teams meeting if not I do have the copy um pretty basic yeah very similar to this year so um I guess we can have a motion to approve the dates I move that we approve the dates for 2025 hear 2025 hearing and deadline schedule second Paul I Janet I Elise I Eric I and I say I okay and anything unforeseen there's no unforeseen business at this time excellent so we can have it one final motion the happiest motion I move that we adjourn the meeting second Paul hi Janet hi Elise I Eric I and I say I we are done thank you look at that not even two o' [Music] [Music]