Heat. Heat. Hey, hey, hey. Good afternoon. This is a hearing of the Chadam Conservation Commission being held on April 1st, 2026 in accordance with the Massachusetts Wetlands Protection Act and the Town of Chadam
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a commissioner, please keep your camera turned off unless you've been recognized. Indicate that you wish to speak by using the raised hand feature. So that we have a record of a quorum, I will now ask each commissioner to indicate their presence. Vice Chair Paul Johnson, >> present. >> Jet Williams,
>> present. >> Elise Gordon, >> present. >> Eric Hilbert is not here. Bob Delcio >> present. >> And I am here. So, we have established we have a quorum. Is there anyone who would like to make any announcements, comments, or future agenda items for anything other than the properties on
the agenda today? You may comment on those when the property is being heard. I am not seeing anybody online or here. So, we'll continue. Before we begin the agenda, Bradford, are there any
announcements about any requests for continuances today? >> Yes. Uh there's a request for continuance for 42 Old Harbor Lane and a request for continuance for
uh 357 Stony Hill Road. >> Great. Thank you. At this point, Bradford Bower, Chadam's conservation assistant agent will now lead us through the agenda. >> Thank you, Madam Chair. Up first is an
order of conditions for 72 C Mist Lane Bona Fortuna LLC map 1A parcel K SC10-3767. This project is for proposed construction of a swimming pool and patio within the buffer zone to a
coastal bank. This is continued from March 11th, 2026. >> Yeah, thank you. >> Hello, >> Clark for the record. Uh, everybody involved read the order and nobody has any issues. Wonderful. Well, that's a
good AP. Is that an April Fool's joke? All right. Does anybody here, any commissioners have anything to add or modify? >> Okay, then we can go to a motion, please. >> I move that we close the hearing on 72C,
Miss Lane, and approve the order of conditions as written. >> We need somebody to second. >> A second. >> All right. Elise, >> I. Janet >> I >> all >> I >> Bob >> I >> and I say I thank you. Okay the next
please Bradford. >> Next is an order of conditions for 10 Meadow View Road Kevin and Stephanie Sarnney map 9D parcel S1 SC 10-3770. Uh this was for construction of an addition within the buffer zone to a
coastal bank. This was also continued from March 11th 2026. David Clark for the record. Um, no issues with that one either. >> Oh, this is definitely a joke. No. >> Okay. Anybody, any commissioners,
anything to add or modify? >> I move that we close the hearing on 10 Meadow View Road and approve the order of conditions as written. >> Second. >> Uh, Elise, >> I. >> Janet, >> I. >> Paul, >> I. >> Bob, >> I. >> And I say I.
>> Okay. Okay, the next Bradford, please. >> Next is an order of conditions for zero Eastward Road, Chattam Conservation Foundation, map 13M, parcel 1221A-C42, SC 10-3764. Uh, this was for invasive species
management and native plant restoration within the 100 foot buffer to a salt marsh and coastal bank. This was also continued from March 11th, 2026. >> Thank you. Is there anybody here for this one? >> I am. I'm Lindsay Cook from
Parterological. >> Hi Lindsay. >> Did you get read the order? >> I did. And we just have two small changes that we are going to request. >> Okay. >> So on in special condition six, it says no activity shall take place between
April 1 and November 1. We want to change that language so that it says no vegetation clearing because we will be going in for repeat treatments um during that growing season after the initial removal. Just to just to clarify that we
can work on the site in that window just no large clearing will take place. Um the other change is that in standard >> well let's deal with that one first. Um, >> okay. >> You this is pretty much a normal
condition. Um, how do the commissioners feel about it? >> Uh, what what kind of activity uh will you be uh performing? Well, so it says no activity, like no activity at all, but if you look in the
standard conditions, it does say that we need to provide maintenance throughout the growing season to ensure that the invasive species don't come back in. So it's just slightly contradictory, >> what kind of activity? >> Um, so once we did the initial removal,
we would be going back in to cut and wipe anything that came any respouts that came back. Okay. I I think that's probably okay. This is designed um to protect um nesting species and things like that through the
growing season. >> But if they've already >> cut and they're just going in to remove anything that's coming back. I think >> maybe we can modify that to say that what's allowed between April one.
>> Yeah. No activity other than >> Yeah. Um continued maintenance >> of t of invasive species. >> Invasive species. Yeah. >> So now it will say no activity other
than the continued m maintenance of invasive species on the site shall take place between April 1 and November 1. >> Yes. Except the other change we were hoping to make is to make it April 1 to September one because it appears in the
standard conditions that September one is is the norm. And you do have in um the standard condition B6. It states that the disturbed areas have to be seated by November 1st. But if we can't
get in there to do the initial removal until November 1st, that doesn't allow for the seating. So if we could change it, I understand that the April 1st and September 1st is to ensure that we don't have any nesting birds, but I think by September 1st, we have cleared that. Um,
so November 1st is probably a little excessive. So if we could change that to April 1st to September 1st, then we can get in there, do the initial removal, and have that seated to meet the requirement in the standard conditions. So, you're wanting to do the initial
removal removal after September 1st because we're on April 1st today. So, >> yes, exactly. >> I thought it always was November 1st. >> It's in the standard conditions. It mentions September first a couple times.
>> Yeah. Right. Well, but usually our special conditions usually go to November 1st and special conditions usurp general conditions. So, I'd like to hear what the commissioners
any opinion or can we say? Okay. >> Yeah, I think I think that's fair. >> Okay. So then why don't we make us a new special condition that says that the removal invasive removal may take place
after after September 1st or may not take place between April 1 and September 1. Maybe that's better. >> That works on our end. Thank you very much. >> Well, wait. We haven't done it yet. So >> Okay.
>> Um No, it's still November one for the the maintenance. It's the I think we have to have a second sentence or a different condition that says yeah
um that the invasive removal may not take place between April 1 and September 1. Um, I just I thought I fixed it. I didn't. Um, not quite. >> All right. Anything else?
>> Oh my god. >> That's it on our end. Thank you. >> Okay. Uh, commissioners, anything else? just have one small thing on finding seven. Uh it says no no tra no trees shall be removed. I just want to add no
live or dead trees shall be removed. >> That's a good one. I thought I covered it with no trees, but I think your what you've said is much better. >> Um anything else? >> That's it. Thank you.
>> Okay. Anybody else? All right. Then we can have a motion. >> I move that we close the hearing on Zero Eastwood Road and approve the order of conditions as modified. >> Second. >> Elise. >> I. >> Janet.
>> I. >> Paul. >> Hi. >> Bob. >> I. >> And I say I. Okay. Bri for the next please. >> Next up is a request to amend an order of conditions for 189 Moon Penney Lane. Uh Francis and Christine Fabriio. I
apologize about the last name. Uh, map 10H, parcel 6, SE 10-3713. Uh, this is for title 5's Title 5 subsurface sewage disposal system within land subject to coastal storm flowage.
Uh, the amendment is to expand the mitigation area to include invasive species management. Uh, this would be phase one. >> Thank you. Hi, Katrine. >> Hi. Hi, everyone. Can you hear me? Okay. >> Yes, we can.
>> Okay, perfect. Um, so we're we're requesting an amendment to expand the mitigation area to include approximately 3,000 square ft of knotweed, which is within the naturalized area to the east of the existing house. And if you want, I can just kind of det go over what
we're proposing. >> Sure, if that's okay. >> Absolutely. So, as you know, notweed is a state listed invasive species that displaces the native vegetation. It's already evident in this area that that's what it's doing. Um, so really only
there's in eastern red cedar that's growing within the area, but other than that, it's just 100% invasive knotweed. And so without intervention, the knotweed will continue to spread into the adjacent areas. So this is a perfect time to address this. Um, we're
proposing a management approach combining mowing and treated folure applications as we detail on our our restoration plan. The initial mowing is proposed prior to June. And if this project is approved by you, we will conduct a bird sweep beforehand to
ensure no active nesting is present. Um, this is like I mentioned, it's just dead stocks of notweed in this area. So, it's very unlikely that birds are nesting within there, but it's an important precaution to take nonetheless. And then following that initial mowing, um, new
notweed growth will emerge, and we would like to treat that that low growing short um, knotweed stocks in June, followed by if we need it to a second mowing in July, we might not need a second mowing um, in July. and then
additional spot treatments later in the season would be performed as needed. So this phased approach is designed to continually weaken the knotweed throughout the growing season and reduce its vigor over time. Once the knotweed is effectively controlled, we would like
to restore the area through a planting of American beach grass. And in addition to that, on the original uh plan by Clark, they're showing service berry to be planted in this area as well. So overall the the successful management of this notweed infestation will
significantly enhance the resource area. It will get rid of a a horrible plant. Um just to be frank it is a horrible plant and pro and it will provide ecological uplift through improved wildlife habitat and increased storm water function for the property. And
with that I'd be happy to answer any questions. >> Okay. Thank you. I do like that you have added this in. Um, I'm excited that um even more invasives are being dealt with. Um, I'll open it to commissioners.
Any questions, comments? >> I'll ask uh first of all, Katrine, how long has it taken you to read all those books behind you? >> I know. I'm I'm at the Bartlett Arboritum in
Connecticut for a few days, and I'm in this little awesome library. I just want to sit here and read all these books, but I can't. >> Okay. All right. The ne the next question is um uh so that area where the septic system is, that's beach grass
that has has that been planted yet? >> I believe it had it it it needs to be replanted. Um it had been there's some beach grass in there. I think maybe the storm impacted some of it. Um, but it will be replanted. And the whole idea is
to have our our notwheat area kind of just be planted with that same beach grass. So, it's a continuous area of beach grass. >> Yeah. And what about the uh the cedar that's there? You mentioned it's pretty pretty uh sick looking. I mean, it's
there's not not much left of it. Are you going to prune that or is there any way you can kind of um help it at any way? >> Yeah, there's there's treatments we can provide for it. I could add that to the plan if that was of interest.
>> Mhm. And then that whole area has been um sheared uh all the honeysuckle and so forth has been sheared low probably for a view. Um, as well as a couple of red cedars on the
right hand side closer to the house have been topped. Do you know anything about Okay. >> those areas. >> No, I don't. I can look into that. I believe the the honeysuckle it is off the property. >> Uhhuh. >> Because there's a property line right
there. But I can look into that more. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> All right. Thank you. >> Sure. >> Anything else? Janet. No, >> Elise. Paul, good. It's good plan. >> As I said, I'm just happy to see that
you're adding in some more restoration and invasive. >> I I do have one quick question. Go ahead, >> Katrine. I noticed it says that um notweed outside the project area and even outside the property line will also be removed if it's a contiguous to the
to where you're working. Is that >> is there a lot? >> Well, we're anticipating No, there we're anticipating that within the septic area because it was just recently >> um disturbed that the notweed's going to pop up in there. So, that's really what that note was for.
>> Okay. >> There is notweed out of jurisdiction on this property that we have already started treating. We started treating it last fall. >> Okay. that we're just kind of pointing out that that notweed is going to be gone from this entire property. >> I think we'd like to put in a continuing
condition in this that would um enable you to continue monitoring for notweed uh reemergence uh perpetually. >> Y >> Okay, >> that'd be great. >> Okay, which we'll get to in phase two. >> Yeah, this is phase one. >> Yeah.
>> Oops. Okay, then I think we can have a motion to approve this phase. >> I move that we approve the amended order of conditions phase one on 189 Moon Penny Lane as modified. >> Second. >> Elise. >> I Janet. I
>> Paul. >> I. >> Bob. >> I. >> And I say I. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Next one. Bradford, please.
Next up is a notice of intent for 19 Coward Lane, Leslie and uh John Nicholson, map 16H, parcel 12-6A SC. I don't have the full SE number. I apologize. Uh this is for an ecological
restoration project. It is a new application. >> Hello. >> Good afternoon. For the record, that G Southeast uh the SE number is 10-3771. Uh the natural heritage and endangered species program received the application
on March 11th and while we expect them to like it, we don't have their approval yet, >> right? >> So we're really here preliminarily or for our first meeting. Katrine is online to be able to go through all of the good
stuff that she does and I'm here for any questions that you may have. >> Okay. Um, Katrine, do you want to say anything and or wait for us? >> Sure. >> Okay, great. >> Of course. I'm I'm happy to kind of go
through our project. So, our work focuses on about 11,600 square ft of this property. Um, and you can see on our plan on our restoration plan primarily that's along the southern property line adjacent to Coward Lane within the naturalized area. And our
goal is to remove the invasive and non-native plant species and restore the area with native vegetation suited to the site's conditions. Uh so if you if you went out and saw the the the project area, currently the area is dominated by invasive and non-native species.
There's porcelain berry, autumn olive, shrub and vine honeysuckle, Asiatic bittersweet, garlic mustard, and some Japanese knotweed. While there's some shrubs present, um there's a there's a few arrowwood viburnum within that main project area and along Cowyard Lane.
Many of these native shrubs have already are already in decline due to the pressure of the invasive vines. And then in kind of contrast, there are intact native plant communities on either side of the main project area. on the western side and still within our project area,
there's a healthy stand of native species including viburnum, eastern red cedar, red maple, winter berry, and ink berry. And then on on the eastern edge, uh closer to the beach, adjacent to the coastal beach, there's native species such as beach plum and American beach
grass, and they're very well established there. So, we're proposing to remove the invasive and non-native vegetation primarily by hand and supplemented with low impact equipment where we have the access where we're able to use the equipment. Um, immediately following the
removal, the area will be seated with native seed mix that we're showing on the plan. And that's all in order to stabilize the soils immediately and initiate the reveation. In addition, American beach grass will be planted in the designated areas in
light green shown on our plan. And that's really to extend that existing beach grass community that I mentioned into the our project area. And then beyond the primary restoration area, we're proposed we're proposing targeted invasive species management in
two other locations on the northern side of the property. Um first there's early stage infestations of porcelain and b porc porcelain berry and bittersweet on the coastal bank just above the revetment and we'd like to treat those to prevent the further spread and
protect the native grasses and forbes that are are growing within there and any resulting bare areas from this work will be replanted with beach grass there. And then secondly, along the the northern property line, there's an
existing privacy hedge that has a bittersweet and porcelain berry just very happily growing up through the hedge. So, we'd like to eliminate those, treat those um and get them out of the the the hedge so that we're eliminating
even more porcelain berry and bittersweet from the property. Following the invasive species uh control, the main project area will be planted with a diverse mix of native shrubs and herbaceous species as we show on our plan. Um we're proposing shrubs such as
black choke berry, bay berry, beach plum, Carolina rose, fathergilla, and winter berry. And then a strong emphasis has been placed on pollinator supporting species with plantings such as annis hissip, blue false indigo, joe pieeed,
beeb bomb, blue pine, wild bird, white beard tongue, and others listed on our plan. Um, so these are these are species that will provide nectar, pollen, and habitat throughout the growing season consistently from early spring through late fall for pollinators.
So overall, as I mentioned, um this restoration effort is spanning over 11,600 square feet. It will significantly enhance habitat value by replacing lowquality invasive vegetation with a structurally diverse native plant
community really to create a thick wildlife corridor. We're talking about now there'll be a native wildlife corridor from the east over to the west of this property. Um and in addition to the e ecological benefits, the project will improve storm water management. Um
these the native plants, as you know, with the deep extensive root systems will enhance the storm water infiltration and and reduce the runoff on the on the site. And with that, I'm happy to answer any questions. >> Thank you. Okay. Does anybody want to
start with questions? >> Can I jump in with one awful thing? >> Yes. The bees love the notweed pollen. >> Yes, they do. >> The worst pollen out there, >> but they swarm. They just they just know. >> So, at least there's one benefit, but
it's awful stuff. >> So, that would that that means you should be planting lots of pollinator attracting species, >> which is what I like about this is there the variety of things that are going in. >> It's outstanding. >> It's very good. This is a wonderful
project. Yeah. Um, anybody >> I have a couple of just specific questions. So, Katrine, I'm wondering, >> you know, I see the the repeated reference to invasive and non-native species that are being removed. What non-native but not invasive species are
you targeting? >> Um, there's species such as there's more some of the herbaceous species that really kind of take over. Um, >> I'm just wondering whether you I'm just
making sure that there's not things that do actually provide some sorts of benefits that like poison ivy or uh >> no >> uh green brier and things like that that people don't like but provide benefits and that that doesn't get swept up in this.
It would be um species that aren't listed, state listed invasive species, but they are non-native. Poison ivy and and greenbryer are both native. So, we wouldn't be treating anything like that. >> So, it's just okay. I always think about it in terms of a continuum of stuff that
starts off as invasive that you always want to get rid of and then pure natives that you want to keep, but in between there's a whole lot that uh >> may provide something. But, okay. Um you also mentioned root grappling of some of these. So what what determines when the
roots will be left in place and when they will be grappled? >> Oh, so that's more of a standard note. Um we wouldn't be mechanically root grappling anything here. >> Okay, that's what I thought. >> Sorry about that. Yeah. >> Um
I have two questions for Thaad. So that on your delineations here. So it's a funny shape, the funny of a coastal bank top >> that comes around and sort of makes a little rectangular shape and then continues on its way.
>> And that largely follows the contour for the Azone. Is that >> Yes. So looking at it, we have a Vzone out here, >> an Azone behind it. Um it jumps up to
the first observable break on the north side of the property. It's right at the top of the reetment landward of the revetment for >> most of it. >> Coming down around we do have
the flood plane um a zone in this case >> and that does exceed the 10 to one slope across the driveway. it's flatter than 10:1 but then on the other side it does pick up to greater than 10 to one less than 4 one so we've delineated
>> so it continues right across the driveway and onward >> it's broken by the driveway but we have a coastal bank on >> on either side of it >> side of it >> yeah okay I see that break there >> buffer does make up for that break >> okay all right that explains its uh its
shape so that means then this whole project area is in the A zone and about half of it's in a V zone. >> Yes. >> So is that is there any concerns about putting American breach beach grass in a velocity zone?
>> That's where it likes to be. >> It does. I thought it liked being further up than that. >> Well, when you go out to any beach, all of the dunes, your primary frontal dune, which should be covered with beach grass, >> um that is automatically a velocity zone
>> all the way up. I thought it stopped at the toward the bottom. >> The velocity zone. >> Um there are five flavors of velocity zone and one of those is the primary frontal doom. >> Right. Okay. >> They just presume that that's going to
get wiped out during the storm and they make it velocity zone right away. >> And that's what and they plant beachgrass to hold it so that when when the inevitable happens, it doesn't take the whole dune away with it. hope is that the beach grass roots which they do get long and
>> yeah there's they definitely >> and beach grass will recover it can windb blown sand on top of it up to about a meter in depth the grass can still grow through it. >> Yeah, we were hearing that yesterday about six inches but you're saying up to a foot that it can still
>> I would say a I've seen a foot and beach grass come back. I I had read somewhere that it was closer to a meter that it could bounce back from. But if it's loose if it's compacted then it's going to have issue. >> Okay. And so none of these other, this is my match to Katrine, none of these other proposed um shrubs and and plants
that are going into the velocity zone are concerning about their ability to survive in that location. >> I don't believe so. I mean, you never know if the a tremendous storm comes in right after we've planted, god forbid,
but you know, the way that the the the contours work on this property right in here, it there's a nice um you know, it mounds up and then kind of dips down and so natural where the road is, which is why the road is always so torn up,
>> right? So, they'll be protected kind of down there. >> Okay? And they will they in turn will protect whatever is up land from there. >> Right. >> Okay. Thank you both. >> And I I can say there's a 99% chance that everything is fine, >> right? Of that 1%.
>> You never know, but thank you. >> All right. So, doesn't sound like we have any issues with what's been presented. So, we do need to get the uh national heritage letter. So that they
get 30 days. So our next one after that would be April Whoops. Where's my thing? April 22nd. Um, how is that for an order? >> I think that would be fine. >> Katrina, is that okay? >> Works perfectly.
>> Go. Oh, I'm sorry, Bob. Go ahead. >> Uh, I got a couple of questions. um uh between the lawn and this area um on the south here. Uh is there going to be any um demarcation, any edging or
anything like that to protect the area? >> We didn't talk to the applicant about that. >> Okay. >> Um >> could you maybe ask a question maybe? >> Yeah. Yeah. And come back with something for the 22nd. Well, if you could get it
to us before that and then we'll have the order ready, but if then we have concerns, we'll deal with it at that time. >> Okay. >> And same uh Katrine on the uh area to the northeast, that little area uh that
planting area by the lawn. >> Uh yes, >> maybe you can ask them about an edging up up in that area, too. >> And what was I that's what I thought you were talking about first. What what was this initial area you mentioned
>> to to the south? The whole the large area uh between the lawn and the uh >> Oh, I see. I see what you're saying. >> Yeah, that that's being highlighted now. >> Yeah. >> And if I may, to the north, it drops precipitously. >> Mhm.
>> So, the lawn is there and then it it's >> Yeah. >> I would not not want to take a lawn mower down that. >> Right. You're not in >> maybe maybe just on the that top edge maybe. >> Okay. >> Just just for protection. Um >> Sure.
>> And then and then the vines in that private hedge on the north end. Uh that's going to be hard to do, isn't it? >> To treat those. >> It'll it'll take some time, but I think it's doable for sure. I mean, they're they're pretty they've been there for a
while, so they're noticeable in the summer, especially. >> So, you have to be you have to be persistent then, huh? >> Yep. Yep. >> Okay. Uh and then the the area that you said had all the natives, uh
>> the gray area, >> south, uh let's see, southwest side. Yeah, >> the gray area. Um, was that a a mitigation area in the past, do you think? >> I do not I do not know. I would think a
mitigation area would be closer to the, you know, to the beach area. >> Um, it looked like some of those just like there's winterberry growing in there on its own. Um, some of the plants might have been planted along the
parking area at some point. Um, there's >> Okay. Berry, I believe there >> just just just curious. It's all >> but it is full of natives. It's kind of strange the way it's all all together like that. >> And there are a few open orders that we're working on closing out. So, if it
is a mitigation area, we'll be able to identify that. >> Okay, great. >> And we included it in our project area because there is some bittersweet and and so we'd like to just treat the the bad stuff in there. >> Yeah. Okay. Thank you. When will you be
probably closing those? >> Soon. >> Yes, we're working on those. >> I figured, but I thought I'd ask since you mentioned it. >> Okay. Um, does everybody I mean is the 22nd okay for an order and if we you
know hopefully we'll have the demarcation and some edging put into the plan and if you could get that plan preferably be be like by the Friday before. >> Sure. >> Whatever that date is I don't even know
maybe 18th >> 17th 18th whatever. All right. So, if we could have a motion to send this to an order for the 22nd. >> I move that we continue 19 Coward Lane to the meeting on April 22nd, 2026 for an order of conditions.
>> Second. >> Elise. >> I. >> Janet. >> I. >> Paul. >> I. >> Bob. >> I. >> And I say I. >> All right. Thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> All right. Bradford. Next, please. >> Up next is a notice of intent for 42 Old
Harbor Lane. Peter Harris, map 16 I parcel 20-m2 SC 10-3768. Uh, this is for a raise and reconstructing reconstruction of a guest house with patio and stairs um and
connecting to the existing septic system. Um, this uh they have asked for a continuence to April 22nd. >> I move that we continue 42 Old Harbor Lane to the meeting on April 22nd, 2026. Second Elise.
>> Hi. >> Janet. >> I Paul. >> Hi. >> Bob. >> Hi. >> And I say I. Next, please. >> All righty. Uh, next is a notice of intent for 101 Uncle Dean's Road, Donald and Elise Shu Sherman, Dees Living
Trust, Mapped 4D, parcel 14-810, SE 10-3760. Uh, this is for uh propose. The project proposes to remodel and expand the existing dwelling at the property. Project includes the reconstruction of the existing deck and
several small additions to the footprint. Project includes substantial vegetation management program for invasive species invasive plant species on the bank and 50ft buffer. Uh this was continued from January 14th, 2026.
>> How are you? >> I'm well. Good afternoon. and John O'Reilly representing the uh Shoreman. I believe Mrs. Sherman is on the line and with me is Teresa Sprag from Blue Flax um who's here to answer any questions you may have. We were last here when we
actually had snow on the ground um back in January. You asked us to uh take a look at the amount of structure we were proposing within the 50 foot uh buffer as well as take a look at the 50 to 100
foot buffer um issues which the applicant has done and I think we've made some great strides on the project. Um the proposed screen porch which is the largest addition being proposed is being is reduced in size from the original uh proposal. the associated
deck along with the connecting deck have been reduced in size and that is significant to the 50-oot buffer. The former patio that was shown just north of the screen porch adjacent to the house is now a deck. Um we've also pulled the limited work line in along
the easterly property line. We've re reduced some grading uh and were able to pull that limited work line in which allowed blue flax to um include keeping uh a lot of those trees along that eastern line.
Um as far as our coverages is concerned from the original proposal we have just about a 360 square foot swing on hardscape. So instead of proposing 194 increase, we are now showing 162 decrease
uh in the 50oot and we are showing a reduction from the original proposal um in the 50 to 100 foot of about 134 square ft. Um the premise of the project stays the same. The house is going to be reconstructed on the existing foundation
with several small additions. Um, and I think um I think we've tried to address most if not all comments made by the commission. So, I'd be happy to stop there and answer any questions. >> Thank you.
>> Teresa, do you want to say anything? >> Okay. >> Thank you. Um, good afternoon, Teresa. Design. Just to um add on to John's comments, the reductions that John discussed allowed us to increase the restoration area by 1,234 square feet
and allowed us to reduce the number of trees being removed by 11. So, previously there were 19 native and two non-native trees proposed for removal. Currently, there are seven trees and one non-native tree proposed for removal within the outer aura. Um, and then
we're planting trees back with 16 total. So, we're replanting those trees at a 2:1 ratio. Um, so those are the major changes that have been made to our plan and I'm happy to answer any questions you have about the rest of the project. >> Great. Thank you. I very much appreciate
the decrease in the number of trees being removed. So, thank you very much. And I also very much appreciate um that you all have listened to our comments and decreased sizes of decks and things as well. So having said that, I'll open
it to the commissioners. Anything you want to say, questions, problems, >> Bob? >> Yeah, I'd like Yeah, I I'd like to echo those remarks. Thank you very much for listening and making those adjustments
um saving the trees and reducing the size of the structure and the whole thing. So, thank you. >> Thank you. Um, other than that, I don't have anything right now. >> Okay. Anybody else?
>> It's the same same echo. A A+ both of you. >> Thank you. >> Go ahead, Janet. >> Question. >> Okay. I don't want to add I mean, thank you. It was great. But, um, no, I have a couple of quick questions. So, you move it says the limit of work line was moved
off off the property. Is that >> off the eastern line? So, is it on an adjacent property? Where is it now? >> No, I'm sorry. >> So, you moved it. We moved into the property. Sorry. Okay. That And is that the little the the little um loopy
squirly kind of very faint line? I >> It's not marked. So, I was struggling to find. >> It's the dark it's the darker line that is the the cursor running over it right now. A darker dashed line. >> Which one are missing? >> Yes. >> Yep. >> Oh, okay. Yep.
>> So, it's the one with the X and dash. Correct. That's it there. So, you've pulled it in. Okay. >> Okay. Um, so thank you for adding three white oaks. I know you listened when I said that. Uh, you know, I have a a thing
about people topping oaks and then replacing them with shrubs and it feels like they get they win the game at the end of the day. >> Um, >> so thank you for the for the uh the white oaks. What is a Taylor eastern red cedar? >> So the Taylor eastern red cedar is a
it's a cultivar. It is a cedar. It's so it's not a hybrid. It is an eastern red cedar. So it's juniperous Virginia, but it's a cedar that has grown it grows naturally um not as wide as a um regular it's a more narrow spec more narrow
cultivar of the um species the juniper Virginia. Um so it's not a hybrid. It's still a native species. It is not grown from seed. However, it is cloned. So, there is a you know they this species was or this cultivar was discovered in
the wild and then has been cloned to continue that particular um uh character. Um so it does and that is proposed along the western property line. It's a very narrow the it's it's >> works well for screening in
>> works well for really screening in that narrow area. Yes. And we're only proposing those outside of the 50. >> And it's only out it's outside of the 50. >> Correct. Yes. >> Okay. >> So even if >> those of us who are inclined to say to any kind of cultivar, you're still okay
with your with your proportions. >> We are still okay with our proportions. Exactly. You don't have to worry. Okay. That's what I I was trying to work that out and >> I decided to ask instead of try to figure it out. >> And you removed the pitch pines that were going to go in. Um, I think we replace those with the oaks.
>> Yes, that's what I saw. >> Okay, >> I will not argue with that. >> Okay, >> thank you very much. Thank you. >> Anybody have anything else? >> Okay, I think we probably can go to an order because you did listen. Thank you.
Um, how about I don't know, April 22nd or May 13th. >> Yeah. What is your timeline? Because I'd prefer May 13th. >> I don't know. >> May >> May 13th, please. >> Okay.
>> See, we're still listening. lock that down >> when we need it next time we're here. >> We we >> only because there's a few people including myself who are away quite a bit coming up. >> I move that we continue 101 Uncle Dean's
Road to the meeting on May 13, 2026 for an order of conditions. >> Second. >> Elise I >> I >> Janet I >> I Paul >> I >> Bob >> I >> and I say I. >> Thank you. Thank you.
>> All right, the next Bradford, please. >> Next up is a notice of intent for 12 Clark Meadows Way, Jatine and Anna Patel, map 5B, parcel 19 C-13C,
SC 10-3769. Uh, this is for construction of an addition to an existing dwelling, deck, patio, stairs, and uh, hot tub. Uh this is a new application. >> How are you? >> Good afternoon. I'm Paul Shay with
Independent Environmental Consultants. I'm here with uh Llaya Warner. She is the project architect for the project and designed most of the plans. Um we filed a notice of intent for this application. We've had some correspondence back and forth before
through the commission. I met with Brad this morning to talk about the issue of Coastal Bank on the front of the property which is directly adjacent to the roadway and we we were agreeing to put that onto the
plan. What I flagged last October was I've got a salt marsh and I've got a top of vegetated coastal bank stable on the other side of the road. a little unusual that it drops down in elevation into the road topography,
crosses over and then comes back up onto the other side. There is uh all grass lawn in the front of this property towards the road and that's what was defined I guess close to the road just a couple feet off the road as a coastal bank in the past.
So, we will be submitting a revised site plan for it, but we we covered some other ground where we met this morning. The proposed project uh we already have a D file number that's uh 10-3769
and uh the property owners are the Patels and what they want to do is to do some home improvements at the property. the probably the biggest thing is right in the middle of the property or or the existing house. They want to put on a
proposed addition. Uh it's roughly around 300 square ft of alterations for a new dining room. Uh they also want to put in um a hot tub which I believe what
this site plan has been approved by the uh the zoning board of appeals. Um, and they are putting in a upper raised deck onto the property. So, really the only alterations are our square inches of the
pilings going in. Um, and a another section of deck um along that eastern side of the house. I guess that's would be the southeast corner. Um, at the very back of the property, I guess at the back of the house, there's
also um a section of prepared prepared uh proposed stairs and it's going towards the uh paved driveway within the property. The the project has we are in riverfront area. There's a um uh Coco Cove Creek is
a perennial river. So we've shown the 100 foot inner repairarian zone and the 100 foot outer repairarian zone. There's also a femur flood zone elevation with this project and we've shown the flood zone as it goes through the property. Uh
it's an AE zone and we have the 100 foot innerion zone and 100t outer repairarian zone shown on the site plan. Um the way the project was originally propo proposed showing just the bank across
the street we were technically outside of the 50oot buffer zone with the adjusted plan we'll be given is that we are going to have some alterations from where that coastal bank is next to the road. We will be asking for a variance
for some of the work in the 50oot buffer zone. So, I had looked at this plan last night and the original I guess the original house on the property was taken down when the house that's there today was constructed. I believe that's part
of the 1999 plan. And at that point there, they were showing 50 foot and 100 foot buffer zone. So what I talked with Brad this morning is look we we will end up having some alterations in this 50ft buffer zone just because of where this
feature is literally right at the edge of the road in the front of the property. So I talked with Lila this afternoon and we talked about some potential changes to the site to move things outside of the 50ft buffer zone
where we intend on showing the revised 50 and 100 foot. It really didn't matter, you know, in terms of the 100 foot riverbank wetland where we were citing things, but we will be probably uh trying to find a new site for the
proposed hot tub, which is right now at the northeast corner of the house. And um I believe I think the the proposed balcony on the second floor it even though it's in the southwest corner I
mean southeast corner of the house will probably be staying where it is. But the biggest thing is trying to find a possible new location for that the hot tub and to come up with additional mitigation plantings. it. We have
actually lots of room in the northern section of the property for additional plantings and also in the eastern especially the southeastern corner of the property uh which puts our plantings literally you know right at the edge of the road and to offer them you know it's
going to be uh within an area of protection but you know we will be offering to get rid of lawn area which some of the southshore conservation commissions called green asphalt and uh to try to get rid of that and to try to
get more you know productive uh plantings that will grow within this uh environment that clearly gets dosed with a lot of salt water and so forth. Little bit of unusual house that if you look at the flood plane map of this area it seems like every other house is in the
flood plane. This one is magically raised above it. So that was one thing that we really didn't have to be concerned with. Um, so at this point we, you know, I'm going to see if Linland wants to come up and and talk about the, you know, the design
issues and some of the things we have to change, but um, we we clearly see that that's probably the way to go forward with this and to see if we can get the revised plan and the revised uh, one thing uh, that Brad wanted us to take a
look at is the amount the chart that we have for the proposed alterations. and you know impacts to the ground and mitigation to make sure all the numbers jive. So we'll probably work on that this week to make sure we have that ready and we'll be dealing with the
surveyor and engineer to try to update the site plan. So um if you have any questions for me I'm here and uh but it's Laya's problem project in terms of designing and whatever. So it may be worth it to to listen to what she has to
say. Uh she's been dealing with this project a lot longer than I have. So >> Bob has a question, so I'll let him go first. >> Hi. Uh on the uh Hi, how are you? >> Good. How you doing? >> Good. Uh on the eastern end, uh by Cole Cove Road, uh where the lot of the
mitigation's going to go. I noticed a lot of invasive uh vines and so forth in that area. And there's a dead cedar tree in that area. Mhm. >> Are you going to be tackling that? All those uh dead uh all those um vi
invasive vines and so forth. >> Yeah, I think we could talk with the property owner about it. That would just be cleaning up that >> that could be part of the mitigation as well. You know, if you have to expand the mitigation, that could be part of it. >> Okay. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Yep. >> Thank you. >> Can I follow on from that?
>> Yeah. So, that's a a good point. And um if you're going to expand that mitigation to pick up the compensation for moving the top of the bank line, um are you going to retain um a landscape restoration company or somebody like
that to do the plan and the installation and the monitoring of all of this vegetation. We usually have somebody who's in charge of that aspect. >> Um my guess is down the line the answer is yes to that. I don't think they're on board right now. Okay, we can we'll we'll keep that in our minds, but there
will be somebody who will be tasked under the order of conditions with with going through doing all of that. >> Correct. >> Okay. Um, very glad to hear that you had this very positive conversation with Bradford because it was very confusing to me to figure out how this bank ended
up stopping at the road and not continuing up uh on the landward side. So, happy to hear that. Um, can you also make sure now uh you can you stake the 50 and 100 foot lines on site? They were not staked. I assume that the pink ties
and the vegetation across the road is the top was it was the original top of the bank. >> The original top of bank, the vegetated bank. Yes, >> the ve that part of that bank. So, um when the bank on the landward side of the road is is
delineated, we'll need that staked as well. So the the bank, the 50, the 100, and that way it'll make more sense walking around. Thank you. >> And maybe to tag on to that more specific on the staking because they all seem to say WDK or what does that mean? >> And I don't know what that means, but
usually we will see addition, deck, patio, whatever, stairs. we see where they're going so that we can look at the the site plan and we can stand and see the stakes and actually see it in real
life what's on paper. And right now there's nothing explaining any of those. I think there was one set that said addition to the back of the house. So, um, just so you know, that's not the way. We usually have different colors
for different, you know, delineation. You know, the 50 has a different color than the 100. The coastal, you know, all of that um is usually included. So, we can get a visual of what is going where and and how it's going to look. >> Yeah, we can talk with a surveyor about
that. >> Yeah. I don't know who you had surveyed, but it's obviously not somebody who's done it for us before. >> No. Okay, that I just wanted to tag that. >> That's good. Sorry. >> No, my last go ahead. My last point. If you're if you're going to be looking
around for additional potential mitigation, um even though it's outside technically and maybe not out of if when the hund moves that paved driveway area in the back, >> what function does that serve? Just
additional parking. Do you there's a substantial driveway on the other side and there's this weird asphalt. >> Yep. >> Yeah. You know, I walked around said didn't expect to see that. There is that parking. >> She I think she's going to have a better
answer for that. >> Okay. >> Yeah. It's just additional. >> Could you first identify yourself? >> I'm Laya Warner. I'm the architect on the project. >> Okay. Hi. Um well um you might want to think about making it into a more pvious um material if you
>> talk to them about that and they're willing to do that. >> Okay. Because that asphalt in that location is is uh really unhelpful to put it mildly. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Anybody else? >> Paul.
>> Yeah. I have one question. I think you addressed this um when you said you were going to redo the site plan. This is in terms of numbers. Um, it says on here that the existing square footage within the 50 to 100 is 8.25 and the proposed
is 794. But you're adding 794 to the 825. So, it's really a new proposal of 1619. >> Yeah. Usually, >> I'm going to let him answer that. Yeah.
Okay. Not me. We just want to make sure that you understand how our coverage tables usually work. >> And so what that does is with the total areas of structures and hardscape, it's now a total proposal of a little over
2,300 square ft, >> which is I think what approximately what I had I think on the original shot and we can change it. shows that we were going to be doing about 2,000 square ft of alterations >> mitigation,
>> right? And then we were proposing for mitigation to be in the ballpark of 4,000. >> Right. Then that >> Well, see, that's the problem. It's hard to tell. Um because you have 2,000 4,000 4,000 for mitigation. >> Correct. >> You and I'm not sure because
>> 2,000 it it to me seems the total is 6,000. not 4,000, right? You know, that type of thing. But I'm gonna let Paul continue because he he came up with all this. You know, >> it's just a little hard to follow. That's all. >> Electronic.
>> We could straighten that out. >> Isn't that weird? >> Thank you. >> So, the existing will be what's now. Proposed will be what's existing and what you're proposing added together.
And the change will be the ex proposed minus existing. So it's a negative or positive >> number. If it were less than the existing, it would be a negative number. If it's greater than, it would be a positive. And then your mitigation you
have to do >> based off of those numbers. >> Okay. And I'm presuming on mitigation we're talking ratio of 2 to one. >> Yes. >> Yeah. I mean it depends but um >> if it's it's two to one if it's within
the 50 it's one to one 50 to 100. >> Yeah. And so yeah and then could we get a a an official planting plan? Not a mimograph with you just adding it in.
This isn't showing, you know, it's usually we have something that's more like the site plan and it would be helpful. Um, and the size of what you're putting in.
So, Bayberry, you're saying 14. What size is the going in? We like to see that. >> Um, what else? Can I jump in here with So, um, we're sitting here a little bit confused
because we have the digital version of all these plans and these guys over here have the paper version. And I just realized now the reason I never saw a lot of this is that the digital version is cut off. It's only this the bottom part of these. We don't have the coverage calculations or any of that
stuff on ours. So when you email in the digital just can you double check that it's got everything >> okay >> on it. We also need um for the outer aura the percentage of the outer aura that's
>> going to be covered with hardscape. >> Thank you. >> We have a uh maximum of 35% so we need that given to us. >> Um and then I just had one more thing and it's gone out of my mind.
>> Um >> it's like a scanned version of another part. Shoot, I can't remember. It's not coming to me. So, oh well. Oh, hot tubs. They are not pvious, just
so you know. They're not considered pvious at all. They are impervious. >> Yeah, >> I treated it that way in terms of the, >> you know, >> square footage for what we had to mitigate for.
>> Right. Well, I'm going by that you said >> we just meant what it's sitting on. >> So, it's not going to be like typically, you know, you'd have a 12-in deep concrete base footing for it, >> but it's on top of it and water can't go
through the hot tub and down into the ground. That's what I'm saying. It's like a pool, >> right? Yes. Under >> So, I'd appreciate if you didn't call it impervious. I mean, if you didn't call it pvious, you called it impervious >> and included it in your calculations
because I I appreciate that it's on stone, but still >> it's got a imperous bottom. >> Yeah, it is. >> So, it's it's not is it's partly in ground and partly above ground. Is that >> um No, it the the deck would be built around it. So,
>> it's in the deck and the deck is raised. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Yeah. So the bottom of the tub sits on top of a stone bed. >> Mhm. >> And the top of the tub is it flush with the deck. >> Ah, it it rises about like 4 in. >> Okay, got it. I was just trying to think of how that was.
>> So it is impervious. Yeah, >> it should be included in the calculations for impervious. >> Yep. >> Actually, I think I did that. I think Okay, the total for the hot tub, if I recall, was 88 square feet. And that's that's the number. I'm just going by
what you the note you had on your site plan said it was pvious. So, um you either have to just fix the note or you know make sure it's included. >> I'd appreciate it. Um >> anybody anything else?
>> Can I state a couple things just so you know like kind of how we tried to make this as minimal impact as possible because >> Sure. Go for it. >> I feel like that'll be important. Is this a Where's the laser? Do you have one? Because I just want to point to the
site plan. They have them at ZBA meeting. >> There was that >> if you can just pull up the site plan and then >> Okay, thank you. >> Okay, so
Like Paul had said, uh, prior to 1999, there was an existing house here. So, um, there's a significant amount of this land in this the I guess now 50 to 100, you know, now with the coastal bank
discrepancy, um, that's disturbed, right? It's not undisturbed land. So, I just want to >> reiterate that part. um in terms of the minimal footprint that we tried to do uh
on the property. So right here is a current that's current house footprint. Um and we are extending deck. So we are going to make a second floor deck in order to ask for less out here.
So we're doing because they want to have some outdoor space. They have none on this property. They have a little 8 by12 deck that's actually I'm sure you saw, but it's shared with their front door and that's the only door they have to the outside with the exception of their
garage man door. So, um they they squeeze a table on there, but they can't really be outside sitting on non uh you know ground that ground that isn't level. So, so anyway, I just want to
reiterate that on within the existing footprint of the house plus the existing footprint of the deck, we're maximizing that second floor space so that we weren't asking for as much on the ground. Um, then for the deck that we
have out here, we're we're basically just sized it. It's six feet deep. So, we're sizing it so that we can put a couple chairs there, single row, and someone can still walk in front of you. So, we're really trying to minimize how
far we're going out with that. And then um uh we then obviously the proposed patio I guess speaks for itself. But um Paul had mentioned you know if we have
to move the the hot tub location. Um, I want to try to see if we can come to an agreement and you tell me if it like I our preference is to not move it but to limit the there is a catwalk
around it currently and what I'd like to do for the for first round is just eliminate that catwalk. So we we could be four feet back from what we're proposing for that bump out. So there's no more. The only
thing that bumps out really is just a little piece of that hot tub front. >> Well, then why don't you move the hot tub back enough that it doesn't bump out at all? I mean, what >> uh >> what's the use? >> We could It's just like the framing situation. Uh but we
>> it it would bump out minimally. If if having it not bump out from the steps that come down would be >> the only acceptable way, then we could make that work. >> Yeah. I'm actually I'm I'm not seeing the steps. So, >> uh I don't know if you want to pull up the three. If you pull up the
architecturals, there's the 3DS. >> Well, okay. >> We don't do the architecturals. We go by site plans and usually everything's on the site plan. I mean, I appreciate that it might be on the, you know, and I appreciated seeing what it's going to all look like and how it's going to look
going up and everything. >> We we only deal site plans, landscape plans, things like that. So, it does need to be on the plan. >> Okay. >> Okay.
>> So, I I don't know where the steps are going right now. >> It Well, the this is the proposed deck and that outer line is it's two steps down. So, that outer line indicates the end of the steps. >> That dash line right here.
>> I I don't have a steady enough hand to but >> Okay. So, so now >> if you could add those to the >> Sure. >> plan since you're redoing the plan anyway. >> Yeah, I will have the survey you do that. >> Yep. >> Madame Chair, if I may.
>> Yeah, go Bradford. I was like, who's who's trying to chime in? >> April Fools. Um, while I was reviewing those architectural plans, I noticed that there was a um in place uh like outdoor
kitchen or grill or something um on this patio. Uh that should also be on the plan. >> Oh, >> yeah. Um I apologize. I was told we didn't need it for ZBA and I didn't realize they did need it for
>> Yeah. What we need is to see everything that is happening >> on this site plan but we look at flat. >> We don't look at going up. >> Okay. >> We don't have any jurisdiction, you know, as it goes up. We have the
jurisdiction is the outlines. >> Yeah. Well, >> and what's going on them? >> I'll tell them to put that on there. >> Okay. >> Put in the fire the fire pit, too. That's probably just going to be a freestanding piece. >> Oh, okay. So, thank you.
>> Yeah. >> Anything else? >> No, not for >> Okay. Um, one thing I just thought of and I went back through the package. I don't see a work protocol >> or construction protocol or anything in
that tells us how we usually get and you checked off that we have it, but I don't see it. Could you explain what that >> Well, it's it's the plan for how the work will be taking place. The construction, the work
>> access the you know >> okay because you did check it off but I couldn't find it and I just went back through and so did Paul. So I think it's missing.
Um so anything else? Anybody? >> This um if not then we're going to have to continue this obviously. Um where's my list? Here it is.
We're asking for quite a bit. Um, I mean, April 22nd, May 13th, May 27th. Um, I can go into June, but I assume you don't want to. >> What works for you? >> I think maybe we should shoot from May
13th. Okay. >> Give Dave a little time. >> Okay. >> I think May 13th. >> Okay. Um, then May 13th it is. >> I move that we continue 12. Clark Meadows Meadows Meadows Way to the
meeting on May 13, 2026. >> Second >> Elise >> I >> Janet >> I >> Paul >> Hi. >> Bob >> I >> and I say I. >> So we'll see you May 13th. Thank you.
>> Okay. Next, Bradford, please. >> Up next is a notice of intent for 357 Stony Hill Road. Uh, John Hernandez, map 14I, parcel 2B-25B, SC 10-3765.
Uh, this is for proposed swimming pool. Uh, the applicant has requested a continuence to May 13, 2026. >> Thank you. >> I move that we continue 357 Stony Hill Road to the meeting on May 13, 2026. >> Second.
>> Elise. >> Hi. >> Janet. >> Hi. >> Paul. >> Hi, >> Bob. >> Hi. And I say I. >> Next, please. >> Next up is a uh certificate of compliance for 42 Old Harbor Lane, Peter
Harris, map I, parcel 20-m SCE 10-237 2378. Uh, this was for ongoing maintenance of projects permitted under SE 10-2 016, including annual beach nourishment.
Good afternoon. >> Hello. >> Twice in one day. >> I know you were before us for so long and now >> two meetings in a row. >> All right. So, for the record Southeast, um there were a couple of open orders on
this one and this is one that we're reviewing today. Um >> it was an old one. So, there was a few things that were not stated to be ongoing conditions that we're requesting to be ongoing conditions. Uh, the beach
nourishment with the sand that's been deposited at Lenel Beach that's making its way down uh the old harbor. Um, there's really no need for beach nourishment right now, but we kind of want a placeholder for
when things change. We have ongoing control of invasive species. Everybody likes that. Maintenance of the 4ft wide pathways. Um, maintenance of the stairs to the beach. I don't know where the wooden jetty is. It's buried as far as I can
tell. So, >> I found >> maintain it if you can't see. >> One tiny little portion of it sticking out, but the rest of it's buried. >> Excellent. So, it's there still. Um, obviously nothing needs to be maintained while it's buried. Maintenance of trees
review. that was all part of this order. And then we do have the the other three that are just how to get the work done. Um if the commission would be so kind as to add these to the certificate of compliance, it would be appreciated. We don't have to come back with another
order. >> So what are we adding to this COC? We provided what was in the order of conditions or what? >> So you want to have what you highlighted
in yellow added to the ongoing conditions. >> It was >> it was no permanent irrigation or any temporary irrigation removed prior to COC request a list of ongoing conditions from the order. Although those don't
seem like what you're asking for. >> No, we we provided a list another page. Um, and that's what we fished out of the order of conditions that >> Oh, yes. >> Under the current order of conditions, you would um call those out as ongoing, but under the old order of conditions,
they were just called out, >> right? The annual beach nourishment, ongoing control of invasive species, maintenance of a 4ft wide pathways, stairs to the beach. That is what you want in there. And
which is fine, I think. Does anybody have anything If we want to be technical, that's not a jetty. That's a groin. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Just jetties are alongside a channel and groins are just alongside each. But >> all right,
Crystal could change that wording. >> Can I just ask about the view corridor and the view pruning and uh maintenance of that? So on the on the plan that you've attached
in light brown selected trees to be shaped and light pruned I there's only one number 31 and I don't know what that tree is because it's not identified there. Um, unless 29 and 33 also fall
into that, but otherwise I don't see where is the view corridor and what Oh, I see up in here too. 7980. Okay, they're all over there. Um, okay.
Light shaping H. So this will this plan cont if once we issue this will this plan go away? Well, how will anybody know in the future which trees are are allowed to be shaped and pruned? >> We should probably add the view corridor
to the plans that um >> since you've got an an oi in front of us, why don't we add the view corridor to that and then um we can make sure that that's all going forward that's carried. Okay. because otherwise I think you would lose
it and you would never know. >> Should we amend that filing to include view corridor and not worry about it for this or >> that makes sense? >> I think I think that would probably be very good. >> Make it part then it would be very
clean. So that's a good idea. >> Thank you. Um, all right. So, I think we could approve this and with and Crystal take out the
view corridor part and you'll add it to the filing that we didn't hear today. >> And we can even leave it in here just saying the view corridor will be taken care of. >> Oh, true. Yeah, that's better, Crystal. >> It gives some >> just a reference to it. Yeah, that's
better. So, just say it will be included in whatever the SE number is for the one today. I don't have it right in front of me. I know you gave it to us. >> Oh, 3768. All right. I think we could have a
motion to >> I move that we approve the certificate of compliance for 42 Old Harbor Lane as modified. >> Second. >> Elise. >> I. >> Janet. >> I. >> Paul. >> I. >> Bob. >> I. >> And I say I. >> Okay. Thank you.
>> Thank you. >> Okay. Next, Bradford. >> Next up is a discussion for 97 tilippy run and uh possible issuance of violation. We do have Dan from Tyen Bond present and Patrick Bowden.
>> I see that you're on. Thank you Dan for coming on. Um >> good afternoon commission. >> And I see Patrick's on as well I think. Um >> I am. Yes. Okay. So, I know you just received and I'm
sorry. I I apologize because I thought it had gone out sooner, but they just received the two reports from Katherine and is it Brian? I think I remember. Yeah. Um last last week or this week,
maybe it was early this week, but I think it was last. Um and I know that you've asked to be given some extra time. Um, for me, what I want to know is, do you have any feeling for
whether any of these options would actually be done or are we just pushing off dealing with this? >> I think at this point we've we received the letters and appreciate, you know, the town and the county putting that
together for us. um read through them. I think responding in any formal manner at this point was um I think a little preemptive. So, we didn't put together anything for you guys because >> right, >> we want to see what the commission has to say and understand what the expectations are.
>> Um I guess I'd love to hear what the commission is exactly looking for. I know there was discussion of um potentially additional plantings and some erosion control matting. Um there was discussion of nourishment in there, but we're already required to do nourishment with our already approved
permit. So I didn't really understand that one. So I think just um getting input from the commission, understanding really what you're looking for will help guide our response at this point. >> Well, I'll start it. Um I think both for
for me both uh you know everything that was offered in both of the reports are I think I you know I I would approve either of those any of them. Um I'd like to hear other commissioners what they
their thoughts are if they have any. Um, >> can I just ask you to be specific um with exactly what you mean when you say all of them or exactly what >> Well, there Okay, I thought you read I guess maybe you haven't read them um or
didn't note. There were things like there was um fiber rolls. There was additional vegetation in that area when you're looking down at the patio to the left. um adding plantings.
Uh all of these things would be considered things that would protect that area while allowing you to keep that patio that is in violation
where it is. We understand that it is they're heavy. You can't get the machinery in. And I also from the time that a few of us were at the site with all of you and the owner, he was not going to consider that
anyway. And we never proposed that um as a solution at this point. So, um, you know, it's mostly fiber rolls and vegetation, but I'll let everybody else
speak a little bit to what they what they think. Elise, I do have the email you sent me quite a while ago. >> Yes. I don't I don't >> Do you want me to read what you said? >> Sure. >> Sure. I figured you maybe
um she said, "I believe that the installation of the 250 square foot patio instead of the steps as approved creates enough potential risk from both a significant stormcausing over topping and rainfall uh causing runoff that we should institute the conditions that
Katherine Ricks suggests. Specifically, install erosion control matting around the patio edges. Cover matting with sand and plant beach grass to further slow erosion. Place an erosion control blanket over the unveated area to the
north of the patio. plant beach grass and or other native coastal grasses to stabilize the sand and require that the sand washed out due to high tide events, storm water runoff, and storms be
replaced every spring. Do you like what you said? >> I couldn't I couldn't say it better myself. >> Oh, good. So, that's one opinion. Um, anybody else? >> I I think it's acceptable. I mean, uh,
there's there is some exposed areas around that patio. There are some exposed areas. So, I'd like to see, uh, some blanket, erosion control blanket or matting around the that patio, plus
vegetation. And I think that would calm things down there and uh prevent any erosion, especially if you had major waves coming in. Um, so that's what that's what I would say. I don't think it's a it's a very
high price to pay for that uh for that alteration. >> Exactly. I think they've come up with some very >> very much less expensive >> Yes. I congratulate the people who options >> brought these options out and and um
>> I mean >> personally I was opposed from the beginning. Putting you know imperous hardcape at the very top of a steep bank strikes me as a terrible idea to start with. Um, but I
I I would be could be uh persuaded to approve a settlement uh along those lines that uh addresses all of the potential erosion risks that that uh patio poses, the plantings, the um
uh erosion control blankets, all of that and the ongoing conditions. Um so I would I could support that. >> All right. Do you have questions for us based off of what we've said? Paul, do you want to add anything before we >> No, I agree. I agree with everything
I've heard. >> Okay. So, Dan, Daniel, or Patrick, do you have anything you want to ask us? >> I think at this point, I don't have anything to ask. I appreciate the uh the input that's helpful and the
clarification is also helpful so we can plan accordingly um moving forward. Um, I would ask that we get like about a month at least. It looked like the next I would hope to be on the May 13th meeting. I think that you said that was your next meeting.
>> Well, no, we have April 22nd. um which for us is preferable but if we have to I I'm not sure what can't be decided in the next few weeks that another 3 weeks or almost 3 weeks
additional needs to be given but >> I guess coordinating with the applicant can take can be fairly timeconuming so I would ask that you give us until May 13th and if we can do it sooner we'll let you help. Um but without having him
right here to say yay or nay, I prefer to have the extra time so we can uh respond. >> Okay. So on May 13th um hopefully you will be coming with a a solution
or we will be issuing the violation. >> Okay. And uh hopefully the homeowner is happy with one of those because I think that it's um a a very I think they're both very fair
and um economically feasible solutions as >> Yeah, I think the only question I have is on the nourishment. We're already required to nourish under our existing
permits. Um, that's part of our natural heritage approval. I believe it's in the order it's already. So, I I guess I would just ask that that not be part of the solution because it's already >> you're going to propose the solution. So, >> you you propose what you're willing to
do. Okay. >> Um, >> I don't want you to be expecting it. Then I will >> No, you propose what you're willing to do and we'll go from there. and I appreciate you joining the meeting today and I am very sorry um that you know
we've had lots of people out and all different things and we thought you had received the reports earlier than you had. So I I deeply apologize for that. >> Sorry it was a challenging winter and crazy exactly late winter. I got it.
>> So, um, but we're moving forward and we'll see you May 13th and hopefully maybe earlier. >> Okay. Yeah, we'll let you know if it can be earlier, but that'll at least give us some buffer if not. >> Okay. >> All right. >> Thank you so much. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Commissioner. >> And we don't need a motion or anything
for that because it was just a discussion um to get things moving. >> All right, Bradford, the next please. Um, next up is approval of uh, minutes. We have a couple different hearings to
approve. Um, do you want me to take them one by one? >> We're going to have to given that various people were out for various meetings. So, actually, even because Janet and Lee were out on January 28th and there's only three of
us here, can we even approve them? >> Don't think so. >> Or do we? I think we need Eric because we have to have a a >> majority. >> A majority and a majority is >> we can't do um January 28th, but we
could do the other two. >> Yeah, let's do the other two and then put um >> well, we'll be in the same situation on April 8th. So, put January 28th on to April 22nd. >> Okay.
>> Can we make Sorry. Can we make edits to January 28th or not? >> Yes. Yeah, definitely. >> Okay, let's do that and then go forward. >> Okay. Okay. For fifth, could I start?
>> Yeah. >> Okay. For 552 Shore Road, um the fourth to last sentence, something like that. In the middle it says Aris instead of Eric. Just remove the E. >> Oh yeah,
>> thank you. I did not catch that. Okay. >> And then uh 650 Orleans Road. Uh cespool is one word. First sentence. >> It is one word.
>> Oh, it's one. >> Oh, there it is down there. It's repeated. Oh yeah. Okay, >> got it. >> And then let's see. 61 and 63. Uh, don't let me say that. Let's see. >> Elephants. >> Yeah, whatever.
>> Whatever. >> It's uh, let's see. Aggregate is spelled wrong. U, >> I wondered, but I couldn't. >> Uh, if you continue on to the last segment of that 61 and 63, the last sentence.
Yeah, >> that's what I thought it should be, but then I >> And then uh 14 Main Street, the next one. >> Top soil is one word, the last sentence. >> Yep. Add some top soil. >> Yep.
>> And then uh that's all I have. Thanks. >> Perfect. Well, now they'll be ready for April 22nd. That'll be a fast one. Unless Eric has anything. Probably not. Um, okay. So,
do we have to move to continue it to April 22nd? I don't think so. >> Table it until >> Yeah, we've tabled it. We could move to table. Maybe we should to be formal. I move that we table the approval of the
minutes from January 28th, 2026 >> to when >> to April >> to April 22nd, 2026. >> Second. >> Okay. Elise. >> Hi. >> Janet. >> Hi. >> Paul. >> Hi. >> Bob. >> Hi. >> And I say I. >> Okay.
The next one is >> next are minutes from February 11th, 2026. >> Okay. Um, everybody was here so we can do this one. And does anybody have any modifications, additions,
anything? >> No. >> I move that we approve the minutes from February 11th, 2026. >> Second. Elise. I >> Janet I. >> Paul. Hi. >> Bob. I. And I say I
>> next. I'm sorry. >> No worries. Next are um approval of minutes from March 4th, 2026. Don't believe Bob was present. >> Right. Bob's the only one who was not present for that one. So, we're good. We can vote on it.
>> All right. Anybody have any modifications, additions, corrections for May March 4th? I went through them. I don't I can't remember if I did anything or not, but um I think I did. But anyway, anybody
else have anything that they found? Doesn't sound like it. >> No. All right. >> I move that we approve the minutes from March 4th, 2026. >> Second. >> Elise. >> I. >> Janet. >> I. >> Paul. >> I. >> Bob. >> Abstain.
>> And I approve. I say yes, too. Whatever. All right, >> we're done. >> We are done. We need one more. >> I move that we adjourn the hearing. >> Second. >> Elise, >> I. >> Janet, >> I. >> Paul, >> hi. Bob
>> I >> and I say I