Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Good afternoon. This is a hearing of the CHAM Conservation Commission being held on October 22nd, 2025 in accordance with the Massachusetts Wetlands Protection Act and the Town of Cadam Wetlands
Protection bylaw and Regulations. My name is Karen Latin and I serve as the chair. Today's hearing is being broadcast on Expinity channel 1072 and is being recorded for the on demand archives available on the town's website. It's being conducted in person,
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Indicate that you wish to speak by using the raised hand feature. So that we have a record of a quorum, I will now ask each commissioner to indicate their presence. Vice Chair Paul Johnson, >> present. >> Janet Williams is not here. I don't
think she made it online. No, I don't see her. Elise Gordon, >> present. >> Eric Hilbert, >> present. Bob Delveio >> present >> and I'm here. So, we've established we have a quorum. Is there anyone who would like to make any announcements, comments, or future agenda items for
anything other than the properties on the agenda today? You may comment on those when the property is being heard. I am not seeing that anybody does. I have a couple things that I want everybody to be aware will be on the
agenda next at the next meeting. First, we've been working on the um applications uh for NOI, RDA, etc. to try and make them a bit more efficient for the office
and therefore for us. So that we will be u sharing with you all next meeting and uh partially because when I was watching the last meeting we have had so many catwalks come up um
for nois recently uh it's been felt that we probably need to have some regulations to go with for catwalks. So, I have started the process by asking Katherine Ricks, our uh coastal resilience director, to
um give us some of what she would look for and then we can build off of that. So, if anybody on the commission is interested in working on those in the future, um and it's not immediate, um
let me know. So before we begin the agenda, Bradford, are there any announcements of any continuences? Today >> we have one continuence >> um for one uh requested order of
conditions for 170 vineyard a um map attendee. They've requested a continuance to November 12th. >> Great. Thank you. So at this point, Bradford, our Chadam's conservation assistant conservation act agent will
lead us through the agenda. >> Thank you, Madam Chair. Uh to start with is the requested order of conditions for 170 vineyard a um map 10D, parcel 4-1014, SE 10-3703,
proposed raise and replace of a single family dwelling. Um, the applicant has requested a continuence to November 12th, 2025. >> I move that we continue 170 Vineyard Avenue to the meeting on November 12th, 2025. >> Second.
>> All right, Elise. >> I, >> Paul. >> I, >> Eric. >> I, >> Bob. >> I, >> and I say I. Great. Next, please. >> Next is an order of conditions for 76 Marsh View Road, Mary Hope and Robert N.
Hi. Finstein map 8 C parcel S72 SC 10-3721. Uh this was for construction of an addition and deck within the footprint of an existing deck. All construction within the buffer zone to a coastal bank.
>> David Clark on behalf of the applicant. So finally we're since February on this one. We're finally before you for an order. Uh we don't have any issues with the >> great written. Even better. Thank you. All right, then we it did any
commissioners have anything to add or change to that um order. Marshview, go ahead, Bob. >> I got something small on condition number five. Isn't there a boilerplate
condition that we use for that particular uh no pesticides and no ir no uh no new irrigation no new permanent irrigation um I had in my notes no pesticides fertilizers and new permanent irrigation
shall be permitted in the resource area but isn't there we've used one in the past >> I thought so it might be in the um mitigation area the mitigation part But I'm putting no pesticides, fertilizers, and permanent irrigation
>> and new and new permanent irrigation shall be permitted in resource area or conservation jurisdiction or however you want to word it.
>> Okay, let me just sharing my screen. used within >> conservation areas just jurisdiction I think is better. >> Yeah. >> Thank you.
>> All right. Anything else? >> No. Then we can go to a a motion, please. I move that we close the hearing on 76 Marshview View Road and approve the order of conditions as modified. >> Second. >> Great. Okay. Bradford.
>> Oh, and I Oh, I didn't do any the calling. Oh, geez. >> Elise, >> hi. >> All >> hi, >> Eric. >> Hi, >> Bob. >> Hi. >> And I say hi. I'm doing too many things at once here. Okay, Bradford. >> All right. Next is an order of
conditions for 325 Foxhill Road Eastward Hoe map 10M-2-1 SE 10-3742 a proposed ADA accessibility and landscape improvement project to include
ADA accessibility ramps retaining wall patio drainage improvements and mitigation plantings. >> Great. And I see Shan's on. Sean, we did get the we did get the email and those modifications have been made. >> Next time, just so you know, I'd
appreciate it if they arrived a little sooner since I don't usually have the time before right like an hour to an hour and a half before the meeting to get it done, but they've been done and with the modifications you requested. >> Understood. Great. Thank you. We got
tried to turn them around as quickly as possible. We had to have a number of people uh review them and and get back to you. Um but understood and thank you for making those uh corrections. >> Of course. Uh anyone on the commission
have any to modify add? >> Bob? >> Uh same thing again like the last one. And uh um I know 22 says irrigation will only be
temporary, but I got the other one where it says uh no pesticides, fertilizers, and no new permanent irrigation shall be permitted in um conservation jurisdiction. >> Okay. So, I'm going to get that out of
>> just add >> marsh views and just copy it. Oh, I'm not on I mean I'm I'm on I'm just waiting for us to come up. Could you >> just trying to figure out where they are on the on the count? >> Can Can you mute? I think that's Teresa.
>> Thank you. Okay, I just have to find it. No P. There it is. I don't want to keep typing this. >> Right. Thank you. All right, that's been added um or
modified. Anything anybody has anything else? Okay, then we can go to a motion, please. >> I move that we close the hearing on 325 Fox Hill Road and approve the order of conditions as modified.
>> Second. >> Okay. Bob, >> I >> Eric, >> hi. >> Paul, >> hi. >> Elise, >> hi. And I say I. >> All right. >> Thank you all. >> Thank you. The next please.
>> Do you want me to read in the next two? >> Uh yeah, you could do both together. >> Okay. Um the next is an order of conditions for 22 Taylor's Pond Road. Dean Rybeck,
trustee. Map 5C, parcel 5J SC 10-3741. demolition of an existing dwelling and construction of a new dwelling and driveway within land subject to coastal storm flowage and a coastal bank. Additionally, construction of a sewage disposable system within the buffer zone
to a coastal bank and also an order of conditions for lot 4, Cochal Cove Road, Dean Rybeck, map 5C, parcel 4J, SC 10-3740, construction of a single family dwelling and driveway within the buffer zone to a
coastal bank and removal of driveway driveway within land subject to coastal storm flowage. >> Okay. Thank you. All right. Uh, good afternoon, David Clark, Clark Engineering, and and Bill Riley. Um,
again, uh, as Sean just said, sorry for the delay in getting these to you, but we we got the, uh, draft orders yesterday afternoon and sent it off to landscape. >> I did make the modifications that um, were sent in the email from Bill The only thing
>> Yep. Um but the landscape architect wanted to point out okay things in the findings. It's not really the conditions. >> Um you might want to add the um landscape architect's mitigation narrative to the
list of uh documents. That's important to be part of the order. >> Okay. I guess we missed that. Okay. I'll add that. And then um on on both
uh 22 and lot four um I'm not sure why uh you don't have the the last plan. We did this commission specifically asked us to change the title of the plan to site and sewage disposal system plan and that
plan date revision date is August 19. Um, >> I see it says the overall site and mitigation plan planting plan for 22 Taylor Pond and lot for Coakal Cove Road. It does say it was received July
1st, revised August 19th and September 19th. Is that the one you're talking about? >> No, >> you're talking about the just specific to >> um it would be the not the site
mitigation plan. Um, it would be the um, where is it? Sewage disposal system plan. >> I thought that that was listed as well. >> It says sewage. Yeah, disposal system plan. So, site and sewage.
>> So, site and sewage disposal system plan. And the last revision is 81925. Okay. Is that for both of them? >> That was for both of them. Yeah. >> Okay. I got open the second one. Okay.
>> And I'll make the change and adding the narrative later. >> And then on uh 22 Taylor's Pond Road. >> Yep. Um the findings on page 11D number five
um it says that the stairs um to the abuing property were removed. Uh they were actually relocated outside the Our just so it's clear that they're still going to be there. They're just outside the OR.
>> Okay. So has been moved to outside the aura, but if it's outside the aura, then
it's not within our jurisdiction. That's why it said removed. >> Yeah, I just didn't know how >> technically you want to get in somebody looking at this. >> That's fine. I I've made the modification, but that was the thought process is that it was not part of our jurisdiction any longer.
>> Right. And uh I guess that's it. >> Okay. Bill, I know that you sent that agreement that a copy of what the agreement is and I didn't know what to
call it. So I said agreement between 22 Taylor's Pond Road and lot four Kako Cove Road pertaining to the maintenance of mitigation for lot 4 Kakal Cove Road which exists on 22 Taylor Pond Road was received from you yesterday.
>> Right. And and I think the uh for record title purposes we'll probably u refer to it as a restriction imposed on by uh >> a lotation restriction.
>> Not a conservation restriction. That's a really technical term. >> Okay. This is a this is a restriction that the u the property owner imposes on himself because he's getting the benefit of an order conditions from you
and and that's so that's why I put in there that it can't be released uh without providing notice to you and the removal of anything on the lot that has the benefit of an order from
you. >> Okay. So, what I put for Taylor's Pond Road for a finding was um the mitigation area for lot 4, Cole Cove Road is located on 22
Taylor's Pond Road. An agreement has been executed obligating Whoops. 22 Taylor's Pond Road to maintain that mitigation located on that property being offered as mitigation for Coakal Cove. So, how would should I change that
wording? I thought the conversation here was, you know, the uh the owner of lot 4 is the one who's obligated to maintain. >> Well, that's where I'm very confused
because it's not his property to maintain it. So, and going well, let's get through this part first um because I have another question. But so >> all right, I I could I could change I
can change my document. So that >> um >> see what >> because >> we're trying to improve >> wouldn't they be using 22 Taylor Pond Roads? 22 Taylor Pond Road is using
their own water to keep this mitigation alive. That's for Kako Cove. >> Oh, I understand that. But we need to impose a burden on lot four.
I I get it. This is what I've struggled with the whole time. So >> So we have to impose the burden on lot four. And so the u I could change it so that they're obligated to work cooperatively with the
owner of 22. I think maybe that that may be better because, you know, I wouldn't be >> too happy if it were if I owned Taylor 22 Tiller Pond and somebody else was, you know,
>> I, you know, using my property, my water, my >> I know, but the reality the reality is that um the only way the lots would go into separate ownership >> is if is if lot for or to give up the
benefits of this order of conditions. >> Oh, I I get that. But things have happened. You know, things could happen. So, I'm just trying to >> Well, that's why we put these on record, >> right? >> You know, so that the uh um what I'll do
is I'll look at the language again. >> Okay. >> And as I say, we need to create a burden on on lot four. Uh >> well, but I believe you can do that in the agreement.
Put the burden on lot four. And here I'm just saying there is an agreement. We have a document whatever that document is. >> All right. So you imposed a burden on 22 in the order conditions. I impose the burden on lot four in
>> actually I put it in both orders that there is an agreement. I didn't say what the agreement was except for that it would be m to maintain >> mitigation >> okay I think uh
yeah so so we have recording issues and how how >> okay so >> other how the burden becomes public and you have regulatory issues >> so the wording that you probably don't like is obligating right obligating 22 Taylor's Pond road
to maintain. >> No, I don't I have no objection to that at all. >> Okay. But do you have an objection to any of that wording? An agreement has been executed for Taylor's Pond. This is obligating 22 Taylor's Pond Road to
maintain the mitigation located on that property being offered as mitigation for lot 4, Cole Cove Road. >> No, no objection at all. >> Okay, then let's get into Coacle Cove roads. And what did I I said something similar.
I said an agreement has been executed obligating 22 tail actually it's identical to maintain the property being offered as mitigation. So it's identical so to what I said for Taylor's Pond. See, I
think the I think uh I I personally I think that the order conditions for for Kaku Cove should say, you know, that there's an obligation on lot four
to maintain them. >> Okay. >> And it as a practical matter, they're basically in common ownership. you know, there for reasons why the title is in different names. There's more estate planning stuff than anything else. Um
but the agreement uh the agreement between uh lot four and lot five says that they can't terminate uh the agreement without notifying you and removing anything on lot four that
has the benefit of an order of conditions of commission. I modified the Coakal Cove one to say an agreement has been executed obligating lot four Coak Cove Road to maintain the mitigation located on 22 Taylor's Pond Road property. I think I could take out
>> you might want to put in You might want to put in uh the mitigation attributable to lot four >> being I haven't finished being offered as mitigation for lot four Cole Cove Road. So that changes it makes the
obligation to Coakle Cove in Cole Cooves and has Okay. So then the second part of this is we don't have an assigned agreement yet, do we? >> No. I didn't know what I didn't know if
the form would be acceptable. So what I'm going to do, I'll Mr. uh the client Mr. Rybeck is in Connecticut. So, >> email them down and and we'll get them back, you know, in the week or so. >> Okay. And what we can do is approve the
orders as written, but not issue anything until we have a signed agreement. >> And that's fine. And I just want to I just want to point out to those here in attendance, do you see how easy it is for two left-handed people to work out a complex deal?
>> You had to call me out, didn't you? Well, I'm left-handed, too, so it's >> Yeah, but >> you know, it's left. >> We're the geniuses in the room. Just >> Oh, that's it. Yes. Geniuses. >> And it And I really don't love having my typing up there because I never learned
to type. So, anyway, having said that, um any commissioners have anything to add? Yes, Bob. >> Yes. on the two properties. The same same deal on the uh >> no pesticides, fertilizer, no new permanent irrigation.
>> Okay. I had that's still sitting here so I can get it in. Do you know on Taylor's pond where that >> is it even in the special conditions?
>> I don't think so. >> Bindings special conditions. Here we are. No. So I'll add it as a condition. Okay. So that's Taylor's Pond and I'll add it to Cole Cove. Um I have findings. Yeah.
>> I got a question for Bill too when you're finished. >> Don't go anywhere, Bill. Not okay. I did that. So go ahead. >> Uh David mentioned something about a conservation restriction on uh lot four.
Was that ever >> that's what we've been talking about. Yeah. It's not a conservation restriction. >> No, I know. But the on the wooded area uh he mentioned uh uh something in that regards. He was going to ask the owner.
>> Yeah. No. And the answer is for estate planning purposes and flexibility in the future. You know, now we've decided not to offer a conservation restriction on lot four. >> Okay. Thank you.
>> Okay. Anything anybody else have anything? Okay. We can have a motion, please. I move that we close the hearing on 22 Taylor's Pond Road and lot four Kako Cove Road and approve those two orders and conditions as modified.
>> Second. >> Okay. Bob >> I >> Eric >> I >> Paul >> I >> Elise >> I >> and I say I. Okay. Brad for the next >> next is an order of conditions for 665
Foxhill Road William and Allison Douglas map 12M parcels 20- C7 and 20-c42 SC 10-3753. This is for reconstruction of a home after a fire.
>> Okay. Yes, I see that. Hello. >> Hello. >> Okay. I did make the modifications that you asked for. >> Okay. >> So, anything else? >> Am I not looking at these close enough?
I didn't have as many comments as the previous. >> You looked at them close enough in my opinion. >> I thought it was pretty good. So, >> yeah. Okay. Um, commissioners, anything to add?
>> Got a couple of things. Okay. Special condition number seven. >> Okay. Let me get there. Okay. Special condition number seven, a single rail fence. >> I have uh instead of that I have uh
single rail fence shall be placed at the edge of the meadow to protect it from regular mowing. Okay. >> And then uh the same thing again is the >> uh for number eight. Yeah.
>> Yep. I left it open because I had a feeling >> that's all. Thank you. Okay. Um, why won't it highlight there? Nope.
>> Okay, we can have a motion, please. >> I move that we close the hearing on 665 Foxill Road and approve the order of conditions as written. >> Second. >> Elise, >> I. >> Paul, >> I >> Eric, >> I. Bob. >> Hi. >> And I say hi.
>> Okay. Bradford, the next please. >> All right. Moving on to a field change request for 227 Vineyard A. James Zinaro Jr. App 11C, parcel D131,
SC 10-3471. Uh, this was for a garage edition and invasive control. The field change request is to include stairs that have been approved by ZBA. >> Great. Okay. Do we have anybody? There's
Teresa. >> Oh, okay. You have to go to the mic, please. >> No, she doesn't give me changes. You have to go If you could identify yourself first, please. >> Ann as an arrow.
>> Madame chair, commissioners. Thank you. >> And you're the homeowner, >> correct? >> Okay. Uh does anybody have any questions, comments, or anything for this field change request? Again, it is
only to include stairs. No issues. Okay. Sounds like you've got an easy one. All right. Yes. Go ahead. >> May I um request that we change the wording please to steps
>> from stairs? But that's the we take the wording from your application. So >> ZBA's letter which I have on me is >> no not ZBA's application. Your application to us. She takes it directly
off of what you said >> in my letter that I wrote to get today's hearing >> uh in the application for the field change. So, I'm looking in it now. >> Thank you. >> Um
let's see. It's not that. Yeah. in both see ZBA application. Okay. So I mean
we're approving it. So it's it's sort of a mute point because if we approve it then >> says >> yeah I mean >> steps just the description of what's being
done. Correct. So all right. Um, and Crystal will hear that if anything needs to be modified at the time she's issuing the field change, that can happen. >> Thank you. >> What?
>> We could do steps. >> But all we're doing is modifying the agenda item and that doesn't do anything after today. So that's why Crystal when she
um issues the field change can modify it there. >> So all right if we could have a motion please. >> I move that we approve the field change request for 227 Vineyard Avenue as modified. >> Second.
>> Okay. Elise. >> Hi. >> Uh Paul, >> hi. >> Eric, >> hi. >> Bob, >> hi. >> And I say I set. Thank you. >> Okay, Brad, for the next one. >> Next is a notice of intent for 196 Shore
Road, John Swinsson. Map 16E parcel 3 SC 10-3754 installation of a title 5 pump chamber force main and generator within the buffer to a the buffer zone to a coastal bank.
>> Good afternoon David Clark on behalf of the Swenson family. >> Thank you. Um so uh after owning the property for over 60 years uh um they the families decided to uh test the
market and uh so they had the system inspected and uh the um the row of leeching chambers uh that to the east of the parking lot uh are the bottoms are below the uh adjusted
highway. water. So, uh the whole system needs to be upgraded. Um so, surprisingly, uh we found enough room out by the street uh to put the leech field so it complies with 100 foot setback. uh because all the in other
infrastructures far as the piping to to all the buildings uh all come out at the basement level uh basically parking lot level and all collect down to a septic tank uh an existing septic tank. So we're going to pick the pick up the flow
from there and pipe it to a a secondary septic tank with a pump chamber and then pump all that waste water up to the front yard. Um so the work involved is is excavation obviously for the new tank
trenching for the piping as well as electrical and gas um for a generator and uh and I had talked this I thought I had talked this through with uh the building commissioner last year over a year ago
now uh about placing the generator where we have it in the property but Um the bylaw changed last spring. Uh so any mechanical device uh even a mechanical device that's required for a septic
system needs to meet the setback requirements which proves to be a difficulty not in this particular case but for systems that are upgraded in the little beach area because that's all within the conservancy district. Uh so it appears
that sept certain septic systems will have to get a special permit from zoning board of appeals in the future. Uh nonetheless um Mr. Swenson's out of town till uh the beginning of next week. So I haven't had a chance to discuss with him the aspects
regarding the the generator. There are places on the property that meet the zoning setback, but um requires a lot more work to get the piping from the the gas to the generator and then the electricity from the generator to the
control panel for the pumps. Um so I don't know whether he wants to to move it outside the the jurisdictional line or go for the special permit. Um but other than that um uh all the All the piping and and
whatnot are primarily within the driveway portion of the property. So, it means cutting the pavement, trenching, and then back filling and repaving. Um, I don't know how the commission wants to proceed. Um, be happy to answer questions to this point and we maybe
leave this open till we resolve the zoning issue. >> Great. Thank you. Um, commissioners, any questions, comments? Yeah, I'd like to say um I wish the for the the best for the Swsons. It's a hardworking family. They've been around
since I was a kid and I'm happy to do anything in my power to move this forward. Thank you. >> Anybody Elise? No. Bob, >> I'm just kind of inquisitive about the
uh the leeching field now is you say is uh below groundwater, the bottom of it. um it it is below adjusted groundwater. It's not in groundwater. It's just you're required to use an adjustment um uh for for seasonal fluctuations and uh
they certainly don't meet the 4T uh that was required when these were installed. >> So there's more filtering up up above by the road. >> Yeah. Oh yeah. We're we're 25 ft higher in elevation. Uh
and so uh >> it's better for the environment then. >> Yeah. To get it as far away as possible. Absolutely. And it and and you see the footprint of what's being proposed is is significantly higher than uh larger than what's there now. And and uh the larger
the footprint of the of the uh leeching field, the better treatment you get. Um >> I see. Okay. Just just for my knowledge, that's all. Uh and then David, the generator down below, that's going to be exposed. That's going to be above grade.
>> Above grade. Yeah. >> Is that the only portion that's going to be above grade? >> Um above above grade. Yes. Yeah. Uh actually there'll be a stansion next to that with all the controls for both the generator and the and the pump system.
So there'll be the bells and whistles associate associated with the with the pumps mounted on a pedestal. >> It's kind of close to the parking lot driveway. >> It's it's 6 ft away. Um we we'll probably have ballards uh a couple of
three ballards just just >> Yeah, that's what that's what I'm asking. Yeah, just for safety. Yeah. >> And then um will you be planting around it at all >> for for aesthetics? We we we might um
and and they know that uh whatever they plant there has to be straight natives. So >> So maybe we could condition that as well. >> Oh, absolutely. Yeah. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Anybody else?
>> So I don't know if we have any idea how soon ZBA is. Sarah said it's something she can add to any agenda such because it's such a minor project. I just need authorization from Swenson to to proceed with or I
could revise the plan, but I just don't know which way he wants to go. >> Okay. So, you don't at this point I think we could move it to an order in the future, but if you think you're going to change the plan, then that would make no sense, >> right? So, um,
>> so I'm sort of asking what would you like us to do? >> Last time I talked to them, uh, the property is still not under agreement. So, they're not in a rush to get this done. Um, they want the permits in place to facilitate a a sale in the future.
So, if we continue it to first meeting in January, I shouldn't be a problem. >> Okay. and just continue it to hear it more or do you >> Yeah, just in case there's a change because moving the the pump >> to uh the lawn area between the all the
buildings over there is going to require extensive amount of additional trenching and uh >> okay >> routing of utilities. >> All right. So that would be January 7th.
>> We could move it to there. Um >> but but other than that there no issues. Uh >> we we don't >> you'd like to see it upgraded I imagine. Yeah. >> Yeah. Um, okay.
>> That's the key is well actually could we move it to January 14th because we have not yet determined our meetings for January yet. And I it's
either may be the 7th, it may be the 14th, but this way you're safe. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, if we could have a motion to continue this to the 14th. I move that we continue 196 Shore Road to the meeting on January 14th, 2026.
>> Second. >> Okay. Bob >> I, >> Eric, >> I. >> Paul, >> I >> and I say I. >> All right. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Next, Bradford, please. Next is a certificate of compliance
request for uh 53 Gristill Lane, the Marian Renard Trust 2007, map 15C, parcel 3C 10- 3276, hardscape and landscape alterations within the buffer
zone to a coastal bank. >> Back again. David and Clark. >> You might as well just stay standing. >> Yeah. Well, the next one's mine, too. So, um, so this project's been done for a while
and, uh, and, uh, we were contacted to, uh, to close out the order. Um, I believe you have the the report from Crawford Management that did the, uh, the mitigation plantings and you have
the asbuilt. um be happy to answer any questions or address any concerns. >> Well, we have one concern that being that there's drip irrigation in the mitigation area and that's
permanent. And so we need that removed. Um, which actually was why I had asked that they reach out and ask if you would continue this until it had been removed,
but I was told that you wanted to proceed. >> I think somebody's on the line from Crawford, I believe. >> Uh, yeah, Stephanie, go ahead. >> Hi. Can you all hear me? >> Yes. >> All right. Stephanie Greavves from
Crawford Land Management for the record. Um I reached out to many Renault about the irrigation. Um it is my understanding that it is all drip line. Um it is temporary and can be removed
very quickly. Uh so we just wanted to proceed with the close out since she is under a little bit of a time restriction. um trying to get this closed out before the sale of her property and um just wanted to make the case for the temporary and can be
removed very easily. Um she's more than willing to do that and get on the schedule to have that removed ASAP. >> Well, then what we can do is we could approve the certificate of compliance and hold it until you provide proof that
it has been removed. So, you won't have it until that happens. >> Sure. And could we just provide pictures and >> Well, would that be sufficient? >> Yes, but we'll still visit and make
sure. >> Of course. Yes. Um, so yes, I mean definitely we need pictures because as you've heard if you've been on for a while today, there is no permanent irrigation allowed and all temporary is
required to be removed before the certificate is applied for. And I'll tell you that irrigation looks just like my permanent. So, I mean it it's a little different than most temporaries, especially since
some of it's buried. Um, so if you're amendable to that, then we can um, you know, approve and hold it.
>> That works for me. Thank you. >> That would work. >> Yes. Okay, commissioners, any comments about this or anything with this COC? >> Yeah, that sounds fair. Yeah.
>> Yeah. I mean, we're trying to get, you know, allow people to to have things happen. We appreciate it when it's been done before they apply, but um Okay, then if we could have a motion to approve it and pending
the removal of the irrigation. I move that we approve the certificate of compliance for 53 Grismill Lane uh pending removal of the temporary irrigation. >> Second. >> Okay. Bob >> I >> Eric
>> I >> Paul >> I >> Elise >> hi. >> And I say I. >> All right. Thank you. Next Bradford. And I think you can read the next two in together. >> Okay. Sounds good. Uh, next is a request for a certificate
of compliance for 55 Sears Point Road, Chatter Revocable Trust, map 11 A1, parcel X2, SE 10- 3539, reconstruction of a timber access stairs
over a coastal bank and construction of a patio within buffers the buffer zone to a coastal bank. Um, also, uh, certificate of compliance for 55 Sears Point Road, Chatter Revocable Trust, map
111A, parcel X2, SC 10-3436, demolition of existing dwelling and reconstruct new dwelling within buffer zone to Coastal Bank. >> Okay. Thank you, >> David Clark. >> At least you stayed up there.
>> Yes. on behalf of uh >> okay >> the applicants. Uh so the house has been done for quite a while now and as as well as the the stairs. Um one of the discussion points at the permitting
hearings for these projects was the state of the reventment and the hens scour on the east side. And we promised at that time to be back before you with an order with a request uh for an order conditions to uh to remedy all that. Um
took a long time for the owners to get under contract with uh with an engineer that uh that could do the work. Um they are they are ready to file. Um and but they were car shunning
they were they felt they couldn't file till these two were resolved. Um so that's why we're here and soon as we get these closed out they'll be filing for an order for the the work on the revampment. So we'll be happy to answer any
questions. Oh Teresa >> and Teresa is on. Teresa, do you have anything to add? Um the only thing I have to add is that the same issue came up that just came up with the previous request for certificate of compliance and we have been in contact with Bradford about that. So we are just waiting for the
irrigation contractor to blow out the system so that the air that the irrigation lines can be removed. Um we expect that to happen in the next week or so. So um understanding that you um will hold the actual release of the certificate of compliance until the
irrigation is removed. We're completely fine with that. if you find that the project is ready for overall to have the certificate issued. >> Perfect. Thank you. I I figured you'd heard that. >> Yes. >> Bradford, do you have anything to add? >> I do not. That was my own lead.
>> Okay. Yeah, I knew that one and I was going to say that again we have irrigation issues, but that they actually have contacted and it's, you know, they're just waiting for them to come and remove it. So again, we would
approve and then um hold it until there's proof that the irrigation the temporary irrigation has been removed. >> All right. So if we could have two a motion. >> I just wanted to say also your your mitigation project came out beautiful.
>> Nice job. Nice job on that one. >> I love the the grasses and the fall color and the on the top. Beautiful. Yeah. >> Right. Thanks. Okay. >> I move that we approve the certificate of compliance for 55 Sears Point Road pending the removal of that irrigation system.
>> Second, >> Bob. >> I, >> Eric, >> I >> Paul. >> Hi, >> Elise. >> Hi. >> And I say I. >> Thank you very much. >> All right. >> Thank you. So, um,
next thing, Bradford, please. Next is a violation follow-up for 97 Tippy Run TR97 Nominee Trust map 14 A3 parcel 2-B SC 10-3690
uh for shoreline protection and restoration project. Okay. So, I just wanted to update everybody on this. Uh, since we did find them, we
denied their field change in June and two meetings ago, um, issued a violation. Uh Paul and I have a meeting with the homeowner and their representatives as well as our all of our office and
um Katherine or Rick's our coastal uh resilience director and hopefully Greg Berman um to see what can be done. Uh Paul and I and the commission staff yesterday had
a phone call with their representative and the owner finally and that's actually why I had asked to have it put on this agenda because we weren't hearing from them and that enabled us to have a phone call. So, um
we are going to work on coming up with a mutually expect acceptable plan uh at the meeting on October 30th. Um >> you know, go ahead. >> At the site. >> Yes, at the site. And
um it cannot be everybody because then we have to have the open meeting posted and everything. Uh but hopefully at that point we can come up with something that works for them and that we find approvable. Of
course it will then be presented to all of us. I've made clear that this is not something I can just like yesterday say oh yes go ahead and do this. So um it has to come before everybody. Um,
and we'll see. Their big issue is they say each stone weighs 200 pounds as everybody heard. And so it's definitely an issue trying to move them at this point. Um, I think that there
was a lot of miscommunication or lack of communication or belief that communication was happening when it wasn't. Uh, uh, going all the way back to May. So, um
I think that's really what caused the the actual issue is that people thought things had been presented or approved um that hadn't. So, I just wanted to give everybody an
update um and make sure that everybody knew this is moving forward and we will stay on top of it. Um, I don't know how quickly after October 30th they'll be able to have a
plan for us. So, it will be on our next agenda in November for again another update and so that we can hopefully get it onto an agenda to, you know, we'll know when they're going to get something
to us so that it can get on an agenda. But you'll get another update um at the next meeting. So, Bradford, anything to add? >> No, I think that was an excellent summary. Oh, >> good.
>> All right, then we can move on to the next thing, which is our minutes. >> If you >> uh next is approval of minutes from August 13th. >> Yes. So, let me find them. Anybody have
anything to add? Modify. >> Everybody looks at Bob. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Bob, do you have anything to add? >> Nothing. Everything looks looks good. >> Great job, Crystal. Yeah. I I thought you'd done a good job. I didn't see
anything jumping out. Elise, Eric, >> Paul, >> good. >> Nope. >> Okay, then. If we could have a motion to approve the minutes, please. I move that we approve the minutes from August 13, 2025. >> Second. >> Okay. Elise
>> I. >> Paul. >> I. >> Eric. >> I. >> Bob. >> I. >> And I say I. So we have one more motion. >> I move that we adjourn the hearing. >> Second. >> Elise. >> I. >> Paul. >> Hi. >> Eric. >> Hi. >> Bob. >> I.
>> And I say I. >> We are done.