##VIDEO ID:wE7UrYEHh3U## e e e e e e n good afternoon this is a hearing of the cham Conservation Commission being held on February 5th 2025 in accordance with the Massachusetts Wetlands protection act and the town of CH Wetlands protection bylaw and regulations my name is Karen Laton and I serve as the chair today's hearing is being broadcast live on exfinity channel 1072 and is being recorded for the on demand archives available on the town's website it is being conducted in person by phone and by video conference the agenda instructions on how to attend and copies of documents for review are posted on the town's website to all participants whether attending by phone or online please remain muted unless you have been recognized by the chair when recognized please identify yourself for the record if you're attending by phone you can mute and unmute by using star six if if you're online and you're not a commissioner please keep your camera turned off unless you've been recognized indicate that you wish to speak by using the rais hand feature so that we have a record of Quorum I will now ask each commissioner to indicate their presence Vice chair Alise Gordon present Janet Williams present Cheryl missery present Eric Hilbert present Bob Delio present Paul Johnson present and I'm here we H definitely have a quorum before we begin the agenda Catherine are there any announcements about any requests for continuances today we have the following two applicants who have requested continuances 83 Seagull Lane zero to squantum Road and 30 wikis way the applicant has requested a continuance to February 26 2025 98 oyster Pond Furlong the applicant has requested a continuance to March 12 2025 great thank you at this point kathern Ricks chams assistant conservation agent will now lead us to the agenda first we have an order of conditions at 33 Pine Bluff Road map 2A parcel 36 for Mike and patri mortise Mass D SE 10- 3709 invasive plant management and planting activities great thank you hi hi uh Matt lonberger from wikinson ecological um we had this one heard I believe two weeks ago um and at the time there was still a uh an open order on the property we that that's in the process of getting it COC right now but we uh asked to come back and get the order just so that we can get the um invasive management done before the April 1 deadline okay but we'll have that COC request soon yes okay did you uh were you able to read the order I was yes are there any no it looked good everything looked looked very reasonable great thank you anybody else anything to add go ahead I looked at it not until this morning so sorry about that after you guys had gone through it and I just wanted to add a special condition which would be nine and it's just taking language from the project description saying existing native shrubs on the upper Coastal Bank will be protected and preserved and all proposed planting will take place around them I want to make sure that those guys well protect Ed great so that's fine oh yep sounds great okay then we are ready for a motion please are we can we we can we vote on it or how do we what is the we I think we said we would vote but we can't issue is that how I think we were going to vote on this one and because the coc for the other work is something slightly different yeah so we were going to allow this one to go through work start on this one but with the understanding that they will be submitting it okay that's why okay so there's no there's no impediment to to going forward okay no cool I got I got one edit oh I'm sorry it's okay yep I had the I had the wrong date on the uh on one of the submissions Mass division of fisheries and wildlife the actual date is December 26th got it not December 30th okay oh thank you got it all right anybody have anything else all right then then we can entertain a motion okay I move that we close the hearing on 33 P Pine Bluff Road and approve the order of conditions as revised second okay Cheryl I Paul I Janet I Elise I Eric I Bob I and I say I so you're all set thank you thank you all right Katherine the next we have an order of conditions at 39 Homestead Lane map 15 C parcel 21 for Brooks Family Trust Mass D SE 10- 3715 landscape and Hardscape reconstruction within the land subject to Coastal storm Flowage and the buffer zone to the Coastal Bank Hi how are you hi uh David Clark Clark engineering um I don't know if uh um Lindsay's on or not but uh um the only thing I picked up on was uh was on the findings um number six you talk about the P the back patio and the pathways uh um being approved after the fact I sent Google Earth images showing that the path is and the patio has been there since Google Earth images started um I think the issue was it wasn't shown on our asil plan from work on the Coastal Bank um um right and so at the last meeting for this the only meeting we had for this we said if you just we were going to include those as an after the fact because they weren't on the as built from the previous so officially they've never been approved well officially they were there forever right um but they didn't show and so that's when I mean it's not really I mean it's it's just saying that we're accepting that they're there and making it official I understand that part but having it the way it's worded makes it look like the owners or the previous owners did something without a permit and they didn't I we couldn't find the permit for it you probably can't find a permit for the house because it was built in 190 everything it was there so all right yeah well it's just just because it wasn't on the ASV plan for a completely different project doesn't mean it didn't exist can we add something that says we acknowledge that these are pre-existing or something like that if through the chair if if we can maybe put in something that says the are these are after the fact permanent as they were pre-existing prior to any previous permit something just to acknowledge that they're there now without previous permits but and then not that they were done improperly since since they were done they pre-existed the wetlands protection act I believe so yeah that's and then they we don't that work if we're saying that they're they pre-existed they uh just just so the commission is aware when when Lindsay or even Teresa asked us to do uh an existing conditions plan for strictly mitigation work on a bank or Wetland resource we don't pick up the manua of The Hardscape on the rest of the property because it's not pertinent to what they're doing so that's why it doesn't show up on the ASO plan from two years ago okay well we'll know for future um anybody have anything else to add anybody I got a question sure uh David be the Lindsay's not around huh I don't see and I don't see Shannon on there either no the uh the bank between the mil Pond pumping station and the property in question is pretty steep you know that bank right there it sure is is there going to be any stabilization of conservation mix on that banking I know they're going to be replacing trees but in the in the planting plan it just mentions that Disturbed lawn areas will be replaced with conservation mix everything east of the pump station has already been mitigated uh well not mitigated Lindsay did a plan for the previous owner um removing all the invasives there anything between the pump station and the the top of a bank behind it I would imagine is all included in what the town's doing um because it's it's not steep it's vertical at this point they might have back filled it by now but uh um as I recall there was uh a plan from the town to plant there yeah our our plan shows the trees the town was proposed uh on the bank um there's still somewhat of a slope right at the top of the bank yeah there will be once they finish grading it yeah I I imagine the town's going to take care of of stabilizing that and uh even on even on uh this applicant's property this the the pump station is on the applicant's property so uh oh I see um yeah the applicant gave the town some property to be able to do this new pump station and as a result now we had been told that the homeowners would be coming for something yeah to yeah so we're we're basically doing work right to the top of the bank in and including removal those trees if when the town says they're done and and my client says they're done I would hope that there would be some communication that uh any bare spots are taken care of by one party or the other mhm uh it's in both parties interest to to keep that bank stable right yep okay thank you okay yes Jan one quick uh edit so I had asked the question in the project description under tree removal five trees are proposed to be removed it said see the tree removal narrative prepared by Cape Organics I never couldn't find anything I asked Crystal she said she couldn't I just want to take that sentence out and just say five unless there's a document that Lindsay sent that on Monday when Crystal requested it apparently it it got missed in the filing or or but it he had prepared it as part of the application and uh but it didn't it wasn't apparently it got missed um but but Lindsay did send he cced me and it went to Crystal on Monday um so it is there I got it yesterday oh yesterday okay okay so it's in it's in the file for today's hearing oh okay I will leave it then thank you thank you all right anything else all right then we can have a motion I move that we uh close the hearing on 39 Homestead Lane and approve the order of conditions as written second okay Cheryl I Paul I Janet I Elise I Eric I Bob I and I say I so we're all set thank you you're welcome all right next one Catherine okay we have an order of conditions at 189 Moon peny Lane map 10h parcel 6 for Francis and Christian fabrio Mass D se10 3713 construction of a Title 5 subsurface sewage Disposal system within land subject Coastal storm Flowage all right and again um I actually don't have any issues with this other than um asking a favor in that you you have the typical April 1 through uh Labor Day uh no tree removal or grubbing um the fos are required to put the system in uh so they can occupy the house uh it's a real estate transfer um knowing that the order conditions are going to be coming out in the next few days um they're just waiting on the order so that the contractor they hire can give them a price and and and and final contract so they can get started I don't know if they'll be able to get started before April 1 um so just asking for a little flexibility on the start date um knowing that uh the area where the system's going is largely invasive there's one uh large U Rose of Sharry I think somebody said uh is is right in the middle of the system so there's really no native vegetation coming out um but uh the rest of the systems in the lawn so that's not really a a problem um but um if they can't start by April 1 I I I hate for them to be in a position that they can't start till Labor Day could we maybe add something that says if that can't be started before for April 1st that they need to notify the agent just you know because I can just see July or something you know what would you think for a I think what the commission has allowed in the past is that um that uh on the start date um after the preconstruction meeting that uh they have a a wildlife sweep of the area that's to be disturbed I think that's what's been done in the past because I think that's the the commission's primary concern about uh no no grubbing during that time that period do you think you'd have an idea of when um they've had Robert hour on board to do the system since last fall um or yeah last fall so I I think our is just waiting on the order conditions because they want to price something not seeing the order um so I I imagine they probably get try to get in there and March um there isn't any wild in March well we give them till April one March would be fine yeah I think it's just in case yeah I I I seriously doubt that it would be you know if it was delayed for any reason it would be past the 1 of May so I'm just thinking know that first couple of weeks in April we might we just want to change the date to May one even if that would be fine with me uh the the other thing is if if um if the date was getting closer um and we got the preconstruction meeting taken care of they could just H their landscaper and they just grub the area yeah they can do that just scrape the surface it's just nice to have only one contractor doing the work but I mean it's not a huge deal but that's it either they're going to notify the conservation agent to go walk the area to see if just say here shall not occur between put May 1st September without without the written without the approval of the conservation agent that would be fine okay yeah just give them a little more time that's thinking okay all right then we need a motion I got one more thing oh yes I'm sorry Bob didn't look that way Tre yes uh on special condition number four yes um it reads uh let's get to it upon completion of the drinking water well installation that's above the Steep Bank the area shall be restored to preconstruction grades and la and SE with a native Fescue mix I just added the Steep bank will be stabilized using erosion control fabric to allow for the grass seed to germinate and establish okay I presume that's okay with David he already he already sitting down he's nodding yeah he's done okay thank you that's all I had that's all I had thank you okay anybody else all right then we can have a motion I move that we close the hearing on 189 Moon Penney Lane and approve the order of conditions as revised second okay Cheryl I pa I Janet I Elise I Eric I Bob I and I say I all right on to the next please he moving on to amended order of condition requests request to amend an order of conditions at 62 Cedar Street map 13 C parcel 41 A- T1 for Douglas Gensler and Michael Kinsey Moore Gensler Mass D se10 3588 the amendment is to reconfigure driveway invasive plant management and mitigation plantings Phase 2 to okay do we have anybody hello okay I thought so hi Ian hello good afternoon for the record Ian Peach from Wilkinson ecological design representing the project again for phase two um as was outlined in Phase One we're before you to request an amendment to the existing order of conditions sc103 588 it's for a minor driveway reconfiguration and a comprehensive invasive plant management and ecological restoration approach to the resource area um is it helpful for me to share my screen while I speak sure we all happy about that I'm hoping you can see the restoration plan yes okay so we'll start with this maybe we'll start with um I'm going to outline just to keep this clear um what what was brought up last hearing and how we've responded so what you're seeing here is um Hawk designs plan of this Edition as you can see in the hatch um for the reconfiguration of the driveway that's one component of what we're coming for and then also in that me and hly we didn't really want to leave on the table this amazing opportunity to resp restore this vegetated Wetland um so I spoke to this last time it's 22,000 ft of ecological restoration and mitigation and we had some comments one of them was for a coverage table on the plan so we've added that to our plan here in the lower left um Hawk also has a calculation on his plan um as well speaking specifically to the driveway reconfiguration um we love the comment about common milkweed into our planting scheme so we'll be using both swamp milkweed in the wetter areas for the Wetland restoration of the herbaceous plant species and we'll be using um swamp milkweed in the more Upland areas um so that's been added to the specification there was also a request just to be clear in our documents about the square footage um of the project area so we've got that now clearly on the tital blocks and in the Land Management plan um and another thing that was brought up was just naming conventions making sure it was clear we've got the garage over here on the east side and that also coincides with the hawk plan of record stating at a garage um so just real briefly because I know I did give you um the overview before but a brief summary um that I want to make sure I'm hitting a few highlights this is really an opportunity to restore this entire vegetated Wetland as well as the buffer pretty unique at a residential scale to really get that opportunity in terms of restoring if you haven't been to site we here some photos we're talking about really heavily overtopped with porcelain Berry Asiatic Bittersweet there's even a population of Japanese nawe that'll be critical to manage and then of course shrub honeysuckle in the mix but it's very high percentage of overtopped invaded situation across the vegetated Wetland and the buffer so a lot of opportunity for restoration we also are excited um that we're going to be able to work with some existing snag trees that I mentioned last time leave them as shown in green here at a nice triangulation across the Wetland and the buffer um trees that we can cut to a height so they're still safe ideally maybe 15 ft we've said 10 to 15 ft in Our Land Management plan and then they're still providing that habitat value as we know as they start to break break down and the Wetland restoration takes hold we've been very clear about our 2:1 replacement with the trees shown here in the purple um for the driveway reconfiguration activities so those will be replaced with American holly Red Maple and tupos three really nice species for this soil context um in plant Community um at a 2:1 ratio so I wanted to make sure I was pointing that out and I guess you know the last thing just to highlight is the biodivers iversity the plant species were able to bring in um as part of this restoration across the tree shrub grass and herbaceous um level of the plant Community really bringing back um a restored Wetland with its habitat value for wildlife so we're excited to kind of come back to this project um through this amendment process and and make sure we're not leaving anything on the table in terms of what's possible for the Wetland resource so that's I think where we are right now now and what I wanted to um make sure I was speaking to but I'm happy to answer any questions um at this time okay thank you um just before I let others uh can you tell me the the hawk plan it says the total addition is 1,025 square ft um is that the part that's got the dashes through it is 1,025 or is that the entire chain yeah so you got it 1,25 is the is the hatched area that's the um addition with this amendment it was originally approved um there was going to be 658 Square ft in this um in this jurisdiction um and it's now 1ou you know it's another addition of 1,025 yes all right um and and I do see that you you know on the Hawk you have the old old configuration and the new it's would be kind of helpful in the future if they were different colors so that the old could be easily determined without going back to look at the order the plans um just it would have helped me um so because we have 1,025 square ft and your plan is called a restoration plan where what it's hard to figure out do you have I mean obviously you're doing more than 1,025 square fet of plantings is there an area that's specified as mitigation versus what you're doing and you had mitigation on the original order how are these over lapping or are we just getting rid of the old mitigation plan and replacing it totally with this which is what I think yeah this should it should be replaced the old mitigation was going to leave kind of a mo stripp and Edge and although that has good intentions we know um that that can you know just it'll be a challenging area into perpetuity and somebody else's problem so we're looking at a holistic approach to be able to you know really set something in Motion in the future so we would consider this area this 22,000 As Above and Beyond covering what's needed for the mitigation and and the and obviously and then some so you know we'd like this to just be recognized as the the the way the applicant is addressing the needed mitigation and then obviously going above and beyond for a comprehensive restoration all right I I assumed that and it probably would have been good to say we're totally scrapping the original from the other order and from the order and you know replacing it totally with this um okay but you know I that's what I thought and I just wanted to clarify okay anybody want to start out can I just sure follow up on that there's so because the old mitigation plan is an approved plan of record I know going to approve a new there's there's a word and I'm um it's is going to supersede that one is it withdrawn no is it um there's a word that needs to be that it's being removed from what's the right word I can't think of it order is going to supersede that one the only word in my head is excised what did you say a substitute yeah what did you say sh no we're cuz it's gone that's why I wanted to make sure that well we'll find the right word when we get to writing it in the order yeah I think all of those words you're I understand you're looking for that right issue um because the original order was attached here I I did I was looking through it and I noticed um it has an error oh um it the old the original order from 12 2022 refers to increase in square footage of 7,422 for the project and it should have been 7422 so the new the amendment has to correct that because it's not 7,000 square feet of coverage I was like that boy and they had 1,600 F feet of mitigation for all that wow um so just make sure that the order corrects that and um last question I have so the hawk plan is titled a landscape plan but but I don't there's no Landscaping on it am I is it really what's what's acting as a site plan for this for the amendment for the I mean I I think landscape does landscape architect landscape architecture does include you know Hardscape Drive I think if we add Hardscape it'll be better because there's no plants referenced on it no no it's not a Hardscape plan it ISC plan includes Hardscape it does include hardc okay I'm I have learned that today never mind then we're good thank you I'm good thank you anybody else Bob uh yeah I have a couple of questions uh so there's an easement to the East and an easement to the north are you going to have any kind of an Alleyway or a walkway between the the uh new plants you know the new plantings and so forth and the easement to get in there and do some invasive work if need be well I think it's a good question we do have this um three-foot moan path that the homeowners are looking forward to having an opportunity to engage with their property a little more in that way with that you know minimally intrusive but actually that on the initial work of the project that will and the maintenance I should say the critical maintenance will act as an easier less intrusive um regular way to get to the interior um and then just with those easements I mean we'll be able to work from the different sides of the property it being bound by either driveway or easement so I'm feeling the combination of pathway um driveway Edge and the such will will give us adequate access for for ongoing successful ongoing maintenance okay and uh one other thing uh the size of the new plantings the trees are those going to be large enough it says what 5 to seven gallon yeah so a a seven gallon might be it depends on the species of course could be as as tall as 7 feet 5 to 7 feet um you know this these sizes I think I've spoken to this before so I don't want to be a broken record but we really try to find The Sweet Spot of having something you know um establish easier in terms of restoration where we're not trying to fight getting it um a lot of water and resources um so it's getting it large enough to to get it going and not have it lost um in the other parts of the Project's plants but not going too big where we're having to put too many resources um like water Etc into the resource area for them so we think kind of a a number five or or even on some of these likely a number seven gallon would would uh probably be the optimal size okay okay thank you anything else I I would just add that I think it's wonderful I think the town benefits tremendously the applicant is willing to spend the money to restore this Wetland I mean I would let him have a ferris wheel if they wanted it for this project I mean this is a win-win for everything anybody else I I just want to mention that I have a list of the things that we asked you to do when you incorp inated all of them that was very nice thank you very much for doing and you added snags too so that's great yes isn't that great excent yes we love to bring that into the residential design not not always a homeowner you know is willing to have what people consider you know dead or unsightly but as we all know such such Wildlife benefits to bring that into a project okay anything else anybody all right then I think this can be continued to write the amended order um I think it could go any time we're not too heavy for next week so would that work if we did it next week yeah we would love that okay so if we could have a motion to continue it to next week for the order 12th okay I move that we continue 62 Cedar Street to February 12th 2025 for an amended order of conditions second okay Cheryl hi Paul hi Janet I Elise I Eric I Bob I and I say I so we'll have that for you next week awesome appreciate it thank you everybody thank you okay 105 would Carver oh I'm sorry it's okay you can go I'm just zooming right along here we have a request to amend an order of conditions at 105 wood car rol map 11d parcel f11 for William and Perry soera Mass D se10 3598 construction of a window well C levered fireplace and covered entry amendment is to relocate the front walkway add fence around window well remove driveway pavement and replace with perious material David Clark for the record no issues with the order uh we David we have a qu I'm sorry go ahead we have a question I neglected to confirm the material that the walkway is and will be it be pervious either either pervious brick or with with no uh not dra excuse me dry l or uh per perious pavers perfect thank you can we add that to the so brick or paper he said perious brick or in the conditions here it is so just perious brick or paper okay it good Catherine did you have a question on this here no that was my question in the the pathway yeah yeah that was anybody else I got I got one thing yeah okay uh let's see spe uh finding number three the impervious area under the Rin station will be removed and replaced with perious material it say impious it says impervious so thank you sorry about that okay then we're ready for a motion I move that we close the hearing on 105 wood Carver Road and appr did I do it wrong wood carver n n not Roose sorry it's okay 105 wood carver null and approve the amended order of conditions as revised second okay Cheryl I Paul I Janet I Elise I Eric hi Bob hi and I say I okay Catherine the next okay moving on to the notice of intent notice of intent at 217 Woodland way map 11k parcel hc25 for John and Paula palowski Mass D se10 3702 construction of a Swimming Pool and Patio within the buffer zone to a Coastal Bank hello hello good afternoon uh Bill Riley on behalf of the prosis with Dave Clark and Phil Cheney so after our last meeting uh the perosis took your comments to heart and rather than a swimming pool uh we are now proposing a hot tub the U we did look at a design for a swimming pool in the front yard which somebody asked for but it would require a six foot retaining wall right in the middle of the front yard so we really we didn't want to be there anyway and requiring a six foot wall just made it completely uh a nonstarter in any event so I'd like to have Dave and Phil you know go through the new design and uh talk about it thank you thank you good afternoon Phil Cheney landscape designer I've uh drawn up the new design you have which includes a you know a built-in you know into the ground uh Spa 8 by10 so we've really reduced the size down from a swimming pool once it gets much smaller than what we had before it might as well be a a hot tub or a spa it's not really functioning much as a swimming pool and one of the main concerns the palowski had as expressed to me was you know the supervis ability of the space it's primarily intended to be used for the by their grandchildren and so forth so they wanted to keep it in a visible area hence that's why it's you know close off the patio and the back porch where they spend most of their time anyways so we're really keeping the existing upper retaining walls as they are as in previous plans uh but we're now installing a like a midlevel landing with the uh a small you know uh prvious Paving seating area with the Spa hot tub beside that and then steps down to the existing lawn at the bottom level and then connect to steps out where that does currently step out down towards the walk towards the water so I've uh adjusted the um mitigation plantings accordingly so we still got the uh planting on the East that's the right side of your plan of uh some mitigation shrubs taking place in the lawn area uh we're really not disturbing anything beyond the edge of the existing lawn now and then we're still doing the restoration planting on the west side there we're removing the English ivvy and replant and other invasive plants are replanting with Native shrubs over there so I think between that and the the plantings we've got it's a much more palatable uh project now I think uh you'll find it uh suitable what's what's the percentage of coverage not sure David Clark for the record um bill just asked me about the percentage um copy of the the plan I have doesn't have that number on there but I think we started at 49% yes and uh we're down under 40 now I think so it's shrunk down quite a bit 38.9 I think it's 38.2 oh 38.2 yes it says 38.2 and you were at 34.9 before you start anything so that's we very much appreciate the that you listened before I hand it over I have a couple questions Phil primarily for your side sure um the western side the restor or the invasive plant and everything yes you've made it smaller but it still says it's 460 square feet of invasive plant replacement is that the correct number yes it is what what on the previous plans there there was some lawn removal included above that okay both plans said for the old and the new the invasive plant replacement is still the same area oh okay but we're no longer doing the lawn replacement which was listed separately in the old plant as additional okay and same question for the other side the Eastern side you say it's 320 Square ft is it still 320 20 square ft that's what it was originally on the old plan and so I just want to make sure that hasn't changed that is that is a little different I slid it down I mean it's changed in size I don't know and location the same area just a different configuration I just want to make sure that these numbers were still the same um I'm assuming that your changes in the retaining wall to approximately 4.5 um and the 2.5 to 6 feet uh retaining 6ot retaining wall that that's because of the spa needs them taller they were 3.5 or because you've got it in a different location yes it's in a different location before we were working on the lower levels so we need much less retaining on that there so this is just for a very small stretch as you can see the wall runs from about 30 in high to to 6 ft so it's we're just perching it on that that edge so that's why it gets high at that one end and then your Invincible Ruby hydrangea on the plan where you're pointing it out it says there are two but in the schedule landscape it says you have one yes uh one should be the correct number there it's uh okay I can refresh that if need yeah we'll need to have that fixed that's great um the percentage with the six H the six non-native and the 18 native shrubs I I see that as a third or not which would be more than than the SE the 25% well actually it's 25% I mean depends if you're comparing comparing one to the other then it's a third but if you look at the overall it's 25% all right I you know I'm just it's it's hard to tell that's sort of my question is is it truly 25% or is it more or so dep you I'm just putting it out there if you look at if you look at the overall it's 25% of what's going in there the fact that 25% equals uh 1/3 of the other plants is uh just a mathematical you know so the way things go I mean it's but it's still only 25% of the total area yeah so it's hard to tell six and 18 is equivalent to one in three so that's 25% add so the total number of plants is 6 + 18 which is 24 so 18 is 75% of 24 all right so that's yeah you can't treat them okay as the total yeah yeah you you can tell where math whizzes over here my last question access to do this work so we provided a letter from yeah so uh because it's been scaled down so much they can do this all with small equipment mini excavator Bobcat size uh loader and they plenty of room uh around the back side of the house uh coming from the West so it should be an issue so they're going to come over the patio or yep okay so but then they're so but anything if the lawn or whatever because there it's not all will be replaced as is yes so the the scarring from the Machinery will be loomed and seated when they're done yep okay that was my things all right I just need some clarification on this site I don't know I was struggling for some reason this time anybody else obviously hopefully Bob just a quick question uh Phil the uh uh invasive Vines the Bittersweet English ivy poison ivy are they um isolated uh are they uh they they are yes uh the neighbor's property is clean so when this comes out this we don't have to worry about encroaching from the neighbors one of those rare situations works out well that's W yeah thank you and I appreciate the reduction in the size of the the pool and so forth thank you anybody else Jan so just to to make sure that means there's no need for a m STP along that side of the correct y it's wow okay yes I double checked because I was aware of that and understand the problem it's like wow no when this comes out you know might be a few tendrils that are running over we'll just pull them through with from uh from The Neighbors From from our side okay anybody else Cheryl your neighbors will be happy if you're getting rid of oh yes that cuz it's not going to go their way I I do appreciate the change in this plan I just want to mention that thank you anybody else I would just Echo that please thank the prosis for us because they've they've bent all the way and I think that's just lovely and I would call the math and oxymoron yeah the mathematical oxymoron I used to be good at Ma so this was a little whoops well I'm a lawyer I can really do math yeah well they used to be very good so I went uh oh yeah you had me confused a second myself but it's it's the total plants not the so it's so it's it's a three to one when you're doing the separate ones but it's that equals y so thank you I was puzzled too I was like what did I do anyone else Catherine okay anybody okay I think we can go to an order Allelujah so we could do it any time we don't have do it next week we we could do would you like it for next week okay we're gonna go to an order for next week I moov that we continue 217 Woodland way to February 12th 2025 for an order of conditions second okay Cheryl I Paul I Janet I Elise I Eric I Bob I and I say I so we'll see you next week thank you very much thank you all right Katherine hey notice of intent at 83 Seagull Lane 0 to squantum Road 30 wikis way Maps 15 A1 15 A2 and 15 A3 Parcels 12- h98 1- n133 and US1 for outermost Harbor Marine M EP se1 3710 proposed dredge of Marina and Beach nourishment of barrier Coastal Beach the applicant has requested a continuance to February 26 2025 I move that we continue 83 SE Gull Lane 0 to squantum Road and 30 wik way to February 26 2025 second okay Cheryl I Paul I Janet I Elise I Eric I Bob I and I say I okay the next okay we have a notice of intent at 30 Pine Lane map 13j parcel 6- g2b Michael to Lynch Mass D se10 3716 proposed screen porch sunro and deck Edition within the 50-ft buffer zone to a fragmented Coastal Bank and 100t buffer to a bvw invasive plant management native plant restoration lawn reduction mitigation plantings and kayak rack before we begin I am going to be recusing myself because these are good friends of mine so I'm going to hand it over to Elise thank you Karen and full disclosure uh the lynches are former neighbors of mine oops full disclosure the lynches are former neighbors of mine thank you Karen but acquaintances so I do not feel that there would be any conflict of interest um Teresa thank you yes good afternoon Teresa sprag with blue flax design here on behalf of Michael and Toya Lynch who are the Property Owners at 30 Pine Lane they may be joining us um Michael Lynch is here virtually um joining us online um so as um was stated the proposed project includes construction of a screen porch um to the north of the existing dwelling over an existing deck a proposed lower deck expansion excuse me to the east of the dwelling directly AB budding an existing smaller deck area and an attached sun room directly to the south of the proposed deck expansion in addition to um the structure we're proposing just over 18,00 sare ft of mitigation and restoration um resource areas on the site include a vegetated wetland and a fragmented Coastal Bank the Coastal Bank is actually stable and well vegetated but is considered fragmented due to its topography um which is clearly shown on the plans by BC group um and then in addition to the Wetland resource areas identified under 310 CMR we also have the chadam wetlands regulations identified 10050 and 100t offers um adjacent Upland resource areas to the um vegetated Wetlands um existing conditions on the site um the property is approximately 36 just under 37,000 square foot lot it's on the bank of frost Fish Creek um the edge of Creek is vegetated with fringing salt marsh um land slopes up gently uh to the top of Coastal Bank which is fragmented due to the presence of the wood retaining wall and um the topography as explained um the house sits within the buffer zones to the top of the Coastal Bank and the vegetated Wetland um most of the Coastal Bank and the not no disturb zone is densely canopied with a mix of Oaks pitch Pines black cherries um as well as some interspersed um black locust trees throughout the area shrub layer is also a mixture of native and invasive vegetation consisting mainly of native Bayberry Arwood VI burum service Berry mixed with shrub Honeysuckle multiflor Rose border Privet Asiatic bitter suite and Porcelain Berry um as well as English ivy present throughout the property much of the Southern half of the Coastal Bank um within the ndz is um a grass Meadow which has heavily invaded with velvet grass um and then a wood retaining wall creates the a level area directly behind the house that has been maintained as a Cape Cod lawn there is no um identified um uh there is no identified um invas I'm sorry native habitat of estimated or rare species um located on the site however critical natural landscapes um offsite do exist um and values are identified in Ryder's Cove Downstream of frost Fish Creek um as part of the proposed plans we have included um an Alternatives analysis along with a request for a variance um and the um we looked at the um three different alter alternatives for the proposed project um the first one included rebuilding the existing decks um due to the condition of the decks the property owners did need to decide whether to rebuild them in their existing footprint or to improve the structures to U provide them outdoor living space they are outdoor enthusiasts and after Consulting with their contractor determined that whether they were expanding or just rebuilding the decks in place the amount of disturbance um in the already existing Disturbed areas would be quite similar um and then additionally being um expanding this allowed them to undertake the um proposed mitigation planting which we'll discuss in more detail in just a moment um the second alternative was proposing new structure outside of the no disturb Zone because there are two overlapping resource areas here um with the vegetated Wetland and the fragmented Coastal Bank the proposed screen porch and the existing deck that is covered is actually outside of the 100t foot buffer to the Wetland but is within the 50 Foot buffer to the um to the top of the Coastal Bank due to that wooden um uh bulkhead at the top of the bank um the uh so there's and with that the retaining walls um that form that fragmented Bank um put both the existing and proposed structures entirely within the ndz so really the only areas outside of the no disturb Zone to the fragmented Bank are already developed with the existing house driveway and walkway which really leave no room for the proposed um for the proposed structures um the alternative the third alternative consideration was given to reducing some of the proposed structure however all of the proposed structure is replacing either existing lawn or existing structure um additionally um the expanded structure allows the property owners to limit all Recreation to the deck sun room and screen porch um with that um expansion of structure we're eliminating all of the lawn that's currently located um to the east of the dwelling and planting that entirely out with Native species so all of the recreation area with exception of some maintenance paths and a path that allows them access to um Frost Fish Creek will be um planted out with Native vegetation um so with that and and restoring that entire 50 foot buffer zone restoring the turf area with Native shrubs we're able to provide more mitigation um in addition to restoring a just over 5,300 foot area on the Coastal Bank that had been managed by previous um Property Owners as moan lawn with a um Native um cool and warm seasoned Wildflower Meadow um that would only be managed once a year and then 10,34 Square ft of the forested area with the understory that's currently invaded by the English ivy Bittersweet porcelain Berry shrub honeysuckle multiflor rows Etc will be managed and restored which provid Ides just over 18,000 um square fet of of in total um uh restoration um we've provided a coverage calculations table this was provided by BSC group Who provided the original um survey plan of the site um we're showing an increase of 671 Square fet within the um within the buffer zone and the um proposed mitigation 18239 Square ft you notice in Our Land Management plan we're saying in page one in our int I'm sorry page two in our introduction that we're adding 707 square feet of additional structure um I believe there's 36 square feet of existing Hardscape that's being removed that BSC has accounted for that we did not in our calculations so the BSC um calculations are the more accurate calculations um with the total plan and um in general oh I'm sorry I do have to add importantly that we are proposing to remove some trees from the site there are six pine trees that are flagged in the field with orange flagging tape we are proposing to flush cut those the stumps will be treated and they'll be allowed to remain they in poor health and in close proximity to the house they're leaning towards the structure we do believe that they are a hazard um in addition to that we are proposing to remove four invasive black locust trees and one very large Norway maple tree that located directly adjacent to the structure they've also been flagged in the field um with tape with flagging tape there are two um quanan cherries that are located in the front yard those are located within the buffer zone the 100 foot buffer so it's outside of the 50ft buffer to both the to top of Coastal Bank and the vegetated Wetland those trees are beautiful but they are very close to the house the branches are leaning over they're really shading they're causing a lot of issues for the structure so we are proposing to remove those non-native cherry trees not because they're invasive but because they are prop they are causing some issues with the structure with the amount of shading and the their proximity to the house and the size of the trees um we are proposing to plant 21 trees including hop hornbeam um Canada service Berry witch hazel and Eastern red Cedars as well as 290 shrubs um including a mix of native shrubs um that have some more more ornamental qualities up closer to the house including IA father Gilla um Oakleaf hydrangea and um in the restoration areas awood by burnum black chokeberry fragrance sumc ground Sil Bush inkberry Holly low Bush blueberry Northern Bayberry summer sweet and Sweet Fern as well as 35 grasses interpers throughout the meadow including little blue stem and D champia fluctua wavy hair grass which is existing in some of the wooded areas on the site so I think that is is an overall um I think that's a good overall coverage I did this afternoon print out some photographs that I thought might be helpful um if you've all had a chance to go out to the site you've seen that this is a densely canopied site um I do have some I have been in contact with the abutter um to this property who I understand did submit a letter um to the commission and I did speak with um Mr Goldstein personally um as well as um his submission of the letter and just wanted to submit some photographs that give a good sense of what this site looks like with the canopy um Leaf out in the summertime so um with the chair's permission may I just distribute the photos no new information just photographs so as you can see from the satellite images we've also included a satellite image um on page three as well as a um as well as a drone shot image on page three of our Land Management plan this this site um between the structure at 30 Pine Lane and the um salt marsh is very well canopied um mainly with a mix of native plant species with the exception of those couple of locust trees that we've flagged and have pointed out and located on the plan so we uh the engineer um the surveyor did not locate every single tree um on this site we only flagged and asked them to locate the trees that we're proposing to remove so that's what you're seeing marked in red on our um proposed plan um so with that we're really trying to beef up the under story and um plant some of these horn beams in place that will help as the N native canopy particularly the pitch Pines mature and naturally die on their own and light gaps are opening up so that's so we're proposing to plant interplant in between there with the service Berry and the hornbeam um I think with that I'm happy to answer any questions um oh I'm sorry I did forget one thing we are proposing a Vista Corridor um this is shown on our plan um it's approximately 35 fet wide um the Vista Corridor would just be to allow some filtered views from the deck um and the porch the um Vista Corda would be managed using best management practices so we would begin with removing dead diseased or OB obstructing or weak branches from the existing trees then follow that by lifting removing of some small lower branches and then finally pruning of any healthy limbs or branches with no more than a third of the canopy of any tree being removed um okay so I think I've covered everything there's a lot going on in this plan so happy to answer any questions okay um should I do the abutter first should I do the is the is the ab butter on online if not I think we need to read the letter into the record so I don't I don't see them the dulet tones this is going to take a few minutes sorry um it was rece uh sent on January 30th 2025 re from the Steven and Cindy Goldstein 5 Oak Lane Larchmont New York re February 5th 2026 public hearing on 30 p Lane application dear conservation members we are the managers of 560 Orleans Road LLC the owner of the property adjacent to 30 Pine Lane we've reviewed the proposed plans and have some some concerns we would like to share with you of primary concern is the planting of eastern red seedar along our mutual property line and they attached an illustration the present plan has two groupings of five trees each closely clustered together red seedar May reach a height of 30 to 40 ft with 20 10 to 20 ft in width it is our opinion that these plantings are number one out of character with the existing and proposed surrounding vegetation two are unsightly as it will appear as solid wall of vegetation three will impede the movement of wildlife in the area which presently acts as a corridor for deer coyotes turkeys Fox and raccoon and others and is not consistent with the stated goal of improving wildlife habitat chadam Wetlands regulations cwr 4.01 parenthesis 7 parenthesis B parenthesis 2 State creating a barrier to Wildlife movement within and between resource areas through the placement of fencing or other obstruction emphasis added four we'll block our view up Frost Fish Creek which we Pleasant presently enjoy it should be noted that cwr 4.01 pen7 penb pen4 states indirect impacts of human activities near wildlife habitat including but not limited to limiting work or recreational activity with 100 ft of an active Den or within 200 feet of an existing Osprey great blue heron bird of prey or rare or endangered species Nest there is an active Osprey nesting platform approximately 150 ft from the plantings and less than 200 ft from the proposed kayak rack Associated path and launching area estimations based on me measurements on Google Earth also cwr 4.01 pen 7 penb pen 3 states destruction of habitat features including but not limited to large cavity trees except as permitted under 4.01 pen 3 pen B4 above Turtle nesting areas existing nest trees for birds that reuse nests dens Burrows vernal pools vertical Sandy Banks migration corridors that provide connectivity between wildlife habitat the locust tree marked for removal at our mutual property line although an invasion species regularly serves as an osprey perch for the nesting Osprey pear to eat their catch after food has been delivered to the nest it was explained to us by the owner's consultant Teresa sprag that perhaps the intent of these plantings is to provide Visual and noise screening from Route 28 however the base elevation of these trees is 18 to 27 ft below the base level of the patio at the back of the house and even further below the first floor deck and living room so no true screening is is achieved we are also concerned that that there are three other proposed deciduous trees that may also block our view especially the American hop horn beam which can grow very large and lower dense foliage see attached illustrations we have reached out to the applicants and their consultants and expressed our concerns but have not yet scheduled a conversation with them at this time we request that the Conservation Commission require the removal of the eastern red seedar from the proposed planning plan or relocation to alongside the house and decks and the three deciduous trees in question be removed or moved to a place that does not obstruct our existing view of frost Fish Creek please enter this correspondence into the record of the hearing and disseminate to the members of the Conservation Commission for their consideration thank you respectively submitted Steven and Cindy Goldstein with copies to Micah and Tria Lynch Teresa sprag blue flags thank you all right with that commissioner's input who would like to start Eric you want to start do you have the table of of the uh the increase decrease and all that um it's on the top of our you sent a separate paper can you yeah you can't put that up there you sent a separate paper that had the numbers because what it really boils down to is that when you're in the no disturb yeah when you're in the no disturb area it's called it's a no disturb so unless it's a hardship and there's no alternative um to do uh to have an increase in the no disturb is is really setting a bad precedence to any other African comes in front of us I mean the size of this deck uh I mean are they planning on yoga classes uh this is it's it's enormous uh and and and then asking for all not all that and a and a impervious decking under the deck um I mean he would have been a little better of a cell better cell if he said gravel that would be you know pervious and then we're going to go in into a a a sun room um I just I I don't like it um personally I don't know what the fellow members feel and on this path that's going down to the water I me nothing wrong with having a path to the water is that also decreased from the total the square footage of the path length and width is that decreased from your table it is not because it's not structure it's moan through the Meadow and right now they're just walking across the grass so once the U Meadow is established it would just be a moan path for them to access but wouldn't that count for the decrease in the mitigation proposal I'm not sure I understand well if you're taking away and you're adding well we're taking away invasive velvet grass and making a path right well there's an existing right now there's no path it's just moan grass so there's an existing okay sorry I didn't even notice that yeah um the uh and that's I I hope I hope I I hope Jan is still going to be a friend of mine on a fellow commissioner after this but I I uh i u i I just don't and you got you know you got two stairways on one side I mean it was you just you really pushed it hard I mean and it's really unfortunate because when these massive houses are built there isn't a lot of thought of the future here you know maybe down the road we might want to have a little uh Sun deck porch and little addition but they you know they push that thing right up to the 50 right so now it's like oh you know what it uh now we need a little more um it's in the notice derb uh it's it's it's really really a a very gray area it's a it's a Line in the Sand really that we have to stick to uh otherwise it's going to be a Domino's effect the I look at the project and I I see restoration and I see mitigation M so restoration is really to me it's it's not a good deal as far as in trade for the in increase in a no disturb if it was in the increase from the you know from the 50 to the 100 yes so I look at okay now we have the the mitigation above the wall I mean how much square footage is in the Old rarro Tie wall above the old rail tie wall no how much square footage is the rarro Tie wall CU isn't that old creosol wall I don't is what could you remove some of that could you remove the wall and and and maybe make it some mitigation space um you don't really need a wall there right I mean it's all it's holding back just that level area I don't know if it's providing any structurally but certainly we could look into that yeah uh may maybe you could take some uh you know square footage from that rarro Tai wall which is Creo which technically is not good for the environment no completely agree and you know if you remove that maybe just pull a little bit off the curse of the top Edge yep to pull it back and make a steep banking there that could could be an option but it really is a big push on this as far as I'm concerned that that's all I want to say thanks next I'll go next Teresa okay uh in the U the field of view the uh what do you call it the uh the Vista Corridor View uh if you look down to the water there's a grouping of Oaks mhm and uh they're kind of young I don't know maybe 15 20 20 years old what happens to those I think the height of the house does not require any management of that again this was intended to be just very filtered views I think the the height of the structure and the steepness of the bank below as you get down there is a very it it is a very healthy um uh Oak um Pitch Pine canopy as well as there's a lot of Backus down there there's also some um viburnum and Rosa Rose which would be proposed to remain so nothing down there we're just planning on infilling and planting but there's no um again the the management The Oaks are not going away we're not proposing to remove any trees other than what we've proposed um and shown here on the plan and flagged in the field and what happens as these Oaks mature well likely if that is the case they'll have to come back and ask for some additional pruning in the future um so I guess that will just remain to be seen but that is not part of what we're proposing now and I understand that a Vista Corridor does not allow them to continue to manage in perpetuity it's just us locating for you what the area that we would propose to prune um for this filing M and the and the existing wall was that ever permited do you know I do not know it's in decent shape which is why we weren't proposing remove it it is acting in some form of a structural manner by holding back that soil to um to commissioner Hilbert's point if they're not using this level area as recreational area any longer there isn't any reason that I can see that that area couldn't slope down I would just want to confer with the engineer on this before I make any kind of a recommendation like that okay and the and the proposed uh walkway down to the water um that's going to be a there's going to be a um it's just the width of a lawn mower that would regularly just that would mow through the meadow that would allow access so I the goals I for the homeowners goals are they do not want to mow any lawn so they do not want to be out here mowing or on a regular basis so this would be mow the meadow once a year maybe mow it once during the season to allow them access but there's no other Improvement um as as far as a pathway goes and that would have to be demarcated in the future we could we could flag that out in the field we did not flag it um for the purposes of this hearing but we could certainly flag it if the Commissioners wanted to go back out and take a look our goal in having this twist is getting them down onto the um Creek in a way that does not require any kind of stairs um it's the least steep area in here so that's why it's been laid out the way that it's been laid out on this plan uh and The Cedars that's probably for uh privacy screen huh yes they are proposing for some privacy screen and of course and as I stated to Mr Goldstein in my conversation with him the um lynches are certainly open to Shifting the locations of some of those trees um this is a really densely canab Beed site and this house is further back from the water than the Lynch's structure so when they're looking up Frost Fish Creek they're looking into a a slope they're they're much further down um and they're looking into a dense canopy of of existing vegetation um so regarding the horn beams they're they're an addition to the existing canopy um there are a couple of cedar trees that I think we could shift we did discuss the fact that they have some winter views that would potentially be blocked by the cedar trees and we did talk about Shifting the locations of those I know the lynches do not want to obstruct anybody's views but they are they would like to create some privacy between the um structures um and the eastern most Cedars were placed there to just obviously not completely screen Route 28 um and the bridge growing over cross Frost Fish Creek but just to add a little bit of greenery in between so that they weren't constantly looking at the traffic and um they weren't you know as much as vegetation is not a great sound barrier it's a good psychological barrier so you're not seeing the cars go by all the time and you're not hearing so but again the lynches were certainly open to moving a couple of those trees around um to um help with the goldstein's views but mainly their views are winter views um because this canopy is dense um in front of the 30 Pine Lane so I think I I my understanding from the goldsteen they have an easement over the property that's directly in front of them they don't own that property and so perhaps if they walk down to the edge of the creek they can look up the creek in that way but I don't think even these cedar trees would be blocking that mhm and the large o uh large Locust that they mentioned uh for the ospray I mean that's a huge tree it's a big tree Our concern is that once the area is not being regularly moan that area will the tree will sucker as we know locust trees do and that this area will just become filled with locust trees um we do think that there's plenty of canopy trees here um as far as I'm not concerned about displacing Wildlife if this was the only Tree on the site and this was the only place for an ospr dep parch I would definitely reconsider this but I do think that we're providing um there is enough existing canopy and we're providing um enough cover for that um as far as not damaging any um wildlife habitat as a matter of fact I would say we're significantly improving wildlife habitat here um I don't believe a cedar tree is going to obstruct or prevent a deer or a fox or a coyote if anything having some evergreen trees here provides additional cover for birds and other species so um I don't think it's providing any kind of an obstruction to Wildlife okay yeah I mean I I uh have the same type of feelings that Eric does too I can see that sun room sticking out into the uh no disturb Zone especially so uh and I I should add that we are not proposing a concrete patio underneath it that's existing so um that's certainly something that if the commission asked that that be removed and perhaps gravel be put under there I can bring that back to the lynches I am certain that that would not be of concern for them that would be a huge reduction okay yeah okay thank you Janet I uh I also share the concerns um you know when you start a project seeing that right off the bat all of the proposed improvements are in the no disturb Zone you know the radar just starts going off so where that takes us is to look at I mean this is the no disturb zone is part of the buffer zone so our regulations tell us to look at what the buffer zone is to what is the resource area what is the quantity and quality of the resource area that's to be protected so as I look at this um it is outside the 50 to the bvw correct and the 100 foot to the bvw runs sort of right through these proposed the existing and proposed expanded deck area so it's it's on the edge of that so it's within the ndz to the Coastal Bank can you explain the term and why you're using it and what the implications are of a fragmented Coastal Bank so because of the D definition of a Coastal Bank given the flood elevation here there's not a full and complete Coastal Bank and you can see on our plan as well as on the um plan provided by BSC group because of the topography there's an area of Coastal Bank on the south side of the property um and you can see that in green and then it comes up and then it disappears there's no Coastal Bank but then because it gets more steep as we head up to the existing a retaining wall it becomes a Coastal Bank again at the retaining wall so it's entirely acting in this case the Coastal Bank is entirely acting as a vertical buffer to flood waters and it's based on that greater than four to one um elevations so it's fragmented because it doesn't it's not a continuous top of Coastal Bank there's Coastal Bank and then due to the elevation the Coastal Bank goes away then it jumps back way up again to just you know just east of the structure because the retaining wall was built there um and I don't know when that retaining wall was built and I'm not quite sure frankly when that new DP definition came in 1992 1992 so likely this structure was built before then I'm not quite sure of the age of the house um but it made this a Coastal Bank where it may not have been considered a Coastal Bank previously so do you think the construction of the retaining wall actually created a bank in that location may have in that case created a bank because what I don't know is what did the topography look like before that was constructed um and that clearly that um that retaining wall was created to allow for a level area as a walk out for the structure does it continue on to the next proper that at this point he's this is the way the engineer is showing it it's showing end a fragmented Coastal Bank at that point I I don't know I'd have to go back and ask the surveyor and the engineer um what they've if they had surveyed beyond that um but that's so so it's acting as a vertical buffer to storm water and of course it's providing wildlife habitat value so those are the um interests that I look at when I think about this as a Coastal Bank and this is why I wanted to point out that we have two over lapping resource areas here the salt marsh and they bordering vegetated Wetland being probably the primary and as far as I think of it and then the fragmented Coastal Bank being secondary is in are we affecting its ability to act as a vertical buffer to storm water or are we um creating an adverse impact to Wildlife um and I don't believe that we are in what we're proposing and just to clarify obviously this bank to the extent that it's acting as a bank is not acting as a sediment Source it is not acting as a sediment source this is a vertical buffer to storm water is that flood water at located at roughly elevation 26 the top of the bank yeah so the um and the flood zone the flood elevation is um it's an a flood zone at elevation 11 and so it's AE flood zone at elevation 11 and then behind that is an X right so it's not a flood zone and then another so another 11 15 ft up an elevation to get to the top of this Bank correct yes okay Y and that's why I was saying it varies in topography so some areas are more steep than others and that's what's causing this fragmented Coastal Bank so all right so it does act as a vertical buffer but the whole the whole topography acts as a vertical buffer and what you pinpoint as a portion of a Coastal Bank is neither more nor less important to that than what is not pinpointed cuzz the whole the whole thing is the whole area is a vertical buffer yes so getting to Eric's point about what is the tradeoff that is being offered here so you're talking about um invasive uh management and removal so often on your on your plans you you hatch out or or use a color to designate the area that is subject to the invasive yes vegetation management part I can't find that here I see the listing of the invasive plant species but not an indication of how much of this area this bank has inv invaded so we can get you a percent cover it's hard to see on the screen but we're showing the area in green as the primary invasive species Management Area um and then the area that's shown in a light pale yellow is the area that's currently the Velvet grass that we're proposing to remove and um invasive removal so how is that oh okay so I was looking up here at the native grass oh by the way what is Velvet grass so velvet grass is a cool season European pasture grass it is not technically listed as an invasive species but it's problematic throughout the country it's particularly problematic here in the cape you'll notice it in the springtime it gets tall um and it it's actually stays green now almost year round um and it gets quite tall and it turns a purplish color and it's very pretty it waves in the wind but it becomes a monoculture and it takes over everything um I can tell you you I know you're all familiar with the Nickerson um Homestead project and um we've restored the meadow there and the area where the archaeological dig was happening has been a velvet grass Nightmare and we have tried using um mechanical removal herbicide application and they're now we're working on solar sterilization where we've got the site with CCF they've got the site just completely covered in Black tarps um and so it's really challenging which is why we're proposing to remove all of this with a sod cutter so we're proposing to get in there and just get it out versus trying to treat it and then start from scratch and reestablish a meadow so thank you for that I've never I hadn't seen a reference to it before and I and I I got the sense from The Narrative that it's very problematic so it's definitely yes it's be watching for it so on the color coding of the plan then the area designated as Forest Area invasive removal in the area designated for native grass seed mix are the same so the native grass seed mix that we'd been proposing to use in the area that's shaded in green will be a slightly different mix um a little bit more shade tolerant because once we remove the English ivy we want to make sure that any bare soils at the ground cover layer level are recovered um and then the native grass mix that's used in the meadow will be that mix of um the agrus penins the um the cyot grandma the uh little blue stem along with some um path rush and um some Fescue cool Seasons just to get things established okay so those are the same then this yellow area is where the Velvet grass is being removed and these these grasses that you're listing here are going inct are going in correct yes okay and the darker green is where the invasives are coming out and native grass seed plus all of the other that's correct shrubby uh shrubs and trees are being yes installed I'm getting there okay um do you know why um BSC is is pointing to a 36q foot reduction in the outer Aura I am not sure I will have to um check with kieren um on this um I'm not sure but I will get an answer for you I I honestly didn't CU figure that jumped off at me it's coming out of some Hardscape removal yes and I will get that I truthfully as I was reviewing for the hearing today I saw that there was a discrepancy and didn't realize that there was so I will get an answer for that all right well all right so the tradeoff is better than I had thought in some ways although I do have to say I still think that the that the expansion is uh excessive um and would look to see if that could be trimmed back um the the um restoration area would have to be permanent yes permanently maintained as a as a like not just three years but permanent with continuing conditions so that would be on the deed forever if I were to consider this okay um The Replacements or trees ah is there a work protocol so the work protocol that we've put together is um simply that all areas would be accessed from the existing Disturbed Upland areas um so obviously the driveway comes in um the proposed screen porch would be accessed from the I'm going to call it the front yard for lack of a better description I know front yards on Cape Cod are often twisted around but we'll call the front yard the driveway side will be accessed from that area um so the limit of work we're showing to be um quite tight um to the back okay of the um of the house and then all all equipment will be staged and stored and everything in the driveway in the driveway correct yes and what's going on there now you know there there was there was some inside is inside oh yeah they were doing yes they are doing some inside work I was peeking around but I didn't I couldn't see what was going on okay that will be it for the moment I will keep thinking about this and listen to everybody else thank you okay thank you quick question I know this is out of our jurisdiction but at the far I guess what I'm trying to look with them uh the south end of the house where they're going to put that other deck the down spout just comes out with a piece of whatever PVC that just like just squirts the the water off the end of their house is that going to be taken care of we will make sure that's taken care of so down spots will be directed to dry Wheels the other corner there too it actually goes underground and then off to the side there's a hose that comes out it runs along the lot line we can we'll we'll add drywells to this in the note yes thank you they're going to use it to water the mitigation there we go and we'll add rain barrels and maybe a sister the um it was just I'm was it's confusing to me uh the increase uh because when I looked I didn't see so this you have two proposed you have a screen porch going in right that's out of kind of out of the 50 and then you have a proposed sun room which is on the deck correct um and so then that slab can be removed um so I wonder what Square so the proposed screen porch is also going over an existing deck um I if you you look at the pictures that I passed around there's the deck on the I can see the existing deck so the really the increas is is that extension out where the two stairs correct yes and maybe they can reduce one of the stairs okay uh that could reduce some square footage y okay you know and uh I mean there's you know you can tweak things to make it work you know yep absolutely as far I think I go with everybody else as far as the side but I the side but I do see the tradeoff of pulling up all that lawn underneath it as beneficial as well yes so I well to me lawn is nothing wrong with lawn I mean it's just a Cape Cod lawn uh you know if it was you know if it was something else I mean if it was a irrigated lawn and heavily fertilized but it's just a Cape Cod lawn to me I mean it's I don't I don't my I my opinion I don't really see it but and I I believe that there's there's no filing yet with zba so um Jamie Norcross is handling the filing with zba and I believe that he was going to be filing either this week or next week so we do not have a zba date yet so obviously this would need to be continued for that reason okay um yes so there's definitely some time for us to make some adjustments just so you know they're out to April in their scheduling now okay So yeah thank you I have one question yes on the north side of the existing garage there's a small rectangle which I assume is a proposed deck and if so what is the purpose of that um there is no other it's it's it's more it's staked there right as a deck I am going to I think they show it on the plan too do show it on the okay okay is that a generator pad or something it says deck on the on the on the S on site well maybe you can remove that for square footage let me yes let me find out about that I will find out it almost looks like they're planning on putting a slider in the garage in the garage and then that would be walk out onto that little deck area but I'm just guessing Okay I will get an answer for that after the bedroom Teresa the material for the kayak rack will that be wood yeah wood Cedar um and it's just a simple kayak rack so that they're not um Kay carrying their kayaks back up and down anything else if if I could just um read out loud I in our summary we just talked about how we feel we meet the criteria for the variance so I just want to throw that out because I heard commissioner Hilbert say hardship and so we we felt that the project met the proposed the project as proposed met the criteria meaning we met criteria a that there's no feasible alternative location um for the proposed structure outside of the ndz we met criteria B that mitigating measures proposed would allow for the project to be conditioned so that it contributes to the protection of the resource values identified in the bylaw as well as criteria C that there would be no adverse impact from the proposed project given the fact that we're considering this Coastal Bank a vertical buffer to flood waters and wildlife habitat value and that's the ecological functions that it's providing so I just wanted to um just state that as a final summary I guess of my presentation thanks and I just wanted to check one more time I don't see the G anymore or is the G there um are the Goldstein either of the Goldstein on I am can you hear me yes did is there anything you'd like to add um yeah uh Miss spr indicated that we have a winter view which is certainly true much more than the Summer View but by putting Evergreens which the only ever greens she's proposed to be planted along that property line that completely kills that even that wind interview um so you know we were thinking perhaps some of the Evergreens the ones to the West three or four on the West Side could stay as a screen um and I understand why they'd want to use those but the six or seven to the east uh if those could go to a deciduous tree rather than evergreen or like I said if they were moved closer to the house they would provide the kind of screening that I think they're looking for um as for for the Wildlife carer um I don't agree with Miss spray you have the Conservancy property adjoining uh this property to the north you have another Conservancy property across the street two houses down um we often see all sorts of wildlife traveling through these properties um and Evergreens of this size and scope I think would cause actually a barrier to their movement okay and we did I don't know if you were online we did read your entire letter into the record so I did yes thank you you're welcome I mean I I would be happy to talk to them and see if we could reach some kind of accord that would be great I was hoping to do that before this meeting um but unfortunately that did not occur that would wonderful is it appropriate for is it appropriate for me to speak up now is that Michael L of course Mike so I just want to say to Mr Goldstein uh we have uh I have given uh Teresa a proposal that we think will help open up uh your uh year round views um and and moving some of those uh some of those seed or trees so uh we as I've said before the GRE V email we are willing to work with you uh to make sure it's reasonable be great thank you thank you Mike the other thing the um I know you were talking about the the uh that business behind the garage that is actually a walkway because that's really kind of um a difficult walking area now it's all gravel and stone and it's deteriorating and so our the engineer uh or the architect built it that way designed it that way uh in order to attach as I understand it attach the walkway to the uh structure of the garage so I don't feel strongly about it one way or the other but we do need a walkway there because it's a little bit dangerous there's a little square we see the walkway with the with the steps there's a little square um as say it again on the North side can I zoom in really big Catherine I think it's out of the 50 it right there yeah the red line goes right through it I think that's what what the question is not the um not the other one not the wrong one that's that's a rining station ah so we need to I'll make sure that's we said in unison we need to identify it does it exist already no Okay so we need to identify that the plan and can I can I just add something that we don't really get involved with views uh they have a plant list that's uh allowed uh for mitigation plantings but I think the neighbors can can work on that I mean that if it was a really serious issue I think we would turn it over to uh zoning right I mean if it really got into a serious situation we don't really get into the views of water and all that uh the corridor The View Cor you know most I'm sure we have no issues of they have a view window um I don't anyway I don't think anybody here does but as far as neighbors and what have you views we don't really care about that the only time we care is when they take down the trees without permission right right have the view if it's on the list of plants allowed to be planted in trees then have at it thanks so with that I would like to request a continuance um not knowing exactly when um maybe Michael knows if Jamie has a zoning hearing date I'm not sure um but not knowing if we've got a zba hearing date yet um I'm just wondering what the best way to continue this would be he does not have a date yet okay so we do not have a date yet Perhaps the second Hearing in April second Hearing in April would be April 9 9th with with Mr Lynch's permission um we will continue then to April 9th so I I will explain to Mr Lynch that we will not be able to close the conservation hearing until zba has approved because they won't issue the order of conditions without zba's approval understood okay thank you anything else from the Commissioners I just I just want to make sure that we have an agreement uh on the reduction and scale of the of the proposed U area the decks and the sun room before Teresa comes back again I took notes um so things that we're going to look at will include removing the wall the existing retaining wall um look removing the concrete patio underneath the I think you'll get some square footage out of that wall yep the proposed sun room um and then if we can trim back the expansion of the deck um looking at that and eliminating one of the sets of staircases was the other thing that I think we'll bring back and discuss um with the lynches and their architect perfect perfect I'd like to thank Mr Lynch and Mr Goldstein for participating with us today I think it was pretty productive um good dialogue anyone have anything else then with that I move that we continue 30 Pine Lane Janet you good do oh oh I forgot I couldn't do the motion please pardon me oh cuz you're the chair because you're chair yes so so we're we're getting there um I move that we continue uh 30 Pine Lane to April 9th second now me Cheryl I Paul hi Janet I I say I Eric I and Bob I and I abstain and Karen abstains thank you thank you so much for your time today thank you putting my regular hat back on now all right Catherine thank you thank you okay we're going on to certificates of compliance certificate of compliance at 314 cockal Cove Road map 5c parcel 4 for Scott and charna da Mass D se10 325 57 deck foundation repair and utility installation I recommend the approval of the certificate of compliance noting the deck and stairs from the from the previous order of conditions were revised the two landscape Boulder walls were are not included with this certificate of compliance the applicants will be receiving an or enforcement order for items that were not previously permitted on site I move that I move that we approve the certific ific of compliance for 314  Cove Road second Cheryl I Paul I Janet I Elise I Eric I Bob I and I say I okay and we have certificate of compliance request at 98 oyster Pon furong map 13e parcel 29-11 a for Steven A and sorry my computer went out where's it the battery died but I oh here one second we've got it Stephen A and Haley G Nas Mass D se10 3682 construction of a beach access catwalk the applicant has requested a continuance to March 12 2025 okay I move that we continue 98 oyster Pond furong to March 12th 2025 second okay Cheryl I Paul hi Janet I Elise I Eric hi Bob hi and I say I okay and we have minutes to be approved January 8th 20125 does are there any modifications or anything to the minutes from January 8 2025 hold on Bob's still looking ready uh 62 Cedar Street okay yes I'm still trying to find it in the uh online here hold on one sec please I can't oh here it is okay uh let's see uh 62 Cedar Street uh fourth sentence um um there are trees within the driveway reconfiguration then it says uh we'll need a updated supposed to be an updated coverage table I didn't catch that one thank you okay 144 chat harber Lane y first sentence the homeowner changed Architects and the new architect has made changes to the building which reduces coverage with an S no changes plural changes plural okay all right 50 hallway Street mhm um okay uh Bob asked that who's which Bob is that that's me Bob asked that some Bob asked that some uh let's see I I rewrote the sentence here Bob asked that some Crush Stone be placed next to the Rin station where roof runoff is causing soil erosion I'm going to repeat that j y did you get it you want me to repeat it be placed next to the Rin station next to the ren station where roof runoff is causing soil erosion it's better it's better and then and then the last lastly on that same one I had uh let's see 50 hallway street right yeah and then I had um uh the last sentence um wait a minute yeah they do need to get zba approval but since this is an RDA we can issue the RDA prior to the zba approval no the sentence before that the second to last sentence they will add a bush they will add a native shrub as mitigation yeah that's better which one is this second last station still they will add a native shrub mitigation okay thank you that's all I have okay anybody else anything all right then we can have a motion I move that we approve the minutes from January 8th 2025 as revised second all right Cher I Paul I Janet I leise I Eric I Bob I and I say I okay we need one more motion I move that we adjourn the meeting second Cheryl I Paul hi Janet I Elise I Eric hi Bob hi and I say I and that's a wrap I hope he still