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thank you welcome to the March 18th 2025 meeting of the chadam finance committee this meeting is being recorded and will be available shortly herea for scheduled and OnDemand viewing on any smartphone or tablet device if anyone is
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meeting on the town's website as soon as possible first order of business is a call to order do the roll call Steven Daniel is not present but may join us later Eric Whitley
here Joan spra here Robert Madison here she's here remotely Tommy Don here chair is here Kristen Andre here Tracy Shields here John papalardo
here all right good we have um what at first glance is a pretty extensive agenda in front of us um and we'll work through it as best as we can um Jill is here uh to help us
along since I Carrie is attending a meeting elsewhere and uh Carrie or par me Joe would you like to take the floor for a minute sure so uh thank you Mr chair members of the finance committee I wanted to take this opportunity to
introduce Chris maulus he's our first Finance administrator who will be helping Carrie in the finance department but also overseeing the so-called sticker office so that we have some expanded capacity and have some analytics moving forward I'll let Chris
say a little bit about himself it he's born and raised in chadam and we're really excited to have him with us great thank you Joe welcome Chris thank you Jill nice to meet everyone uh looking forward to eventually interfacing with you and starting at the sticker office and then moving over to assisting Carri
and finance team when we get into our budget season so nice to meet everyone great thank you Chris helped prepare your packet for today's meeting so thanks Chris on that okay so um I think the the first order would be of business
is the monoy Middle School sighting in trim project and we have our superintendent uh Scott Carpenter as well as the business manager McMillan and I would invite them to the podium right thank you Mr chair you also um if
you are comfortable today uh need to vote on the FY 2026 monoy Regional School budget okay thank you appreciate it welcome gentlemen thank you good afternoon time to talk brixs and
mortar yes so this this a Michael McMillan school business manager from one of my Regional School Districts Scott Carpenter superintendent for mono so we have some slides about the budget but I know we're here primarily to talk about the restoration project to
the middle school do you have a preference for no please go start you've got it up start with operting so the the budget has changed a little since we last presented to you so I'm just not not a huge deal but just a couple of numbers have been updated so I'm just
going to take you through the change so we had a school committee vote that happened back in January and then we had the public hearing a budget number which is what we presented to you and at that point we' had seen an increase in some special education placements and transportation costs we also had our
health insurance and some other savings that kind of collectively added about a percentage and a half to our budget and now we've slightly reduced that we've been able to reduce one position an instructional assistant it's just due to uh changing student needs in educational
plans and a smaller change so at the moment the proposed budget that the school committee approved last week is 49 m6411 190 so that's a 6.73% increase on our FY 25
budget uh and then alongside that the assessments have obviously also changed slightly so just the school that's what the school committee voted back in January which was an almost 8% increase for the town of chattam uh since then we then had the public hearing budget which
was updated as we had the state revenue number came in and we increased our use of excess and deficiency from $800,000 to a million dollar and at that point we also received the Chapter 70 uh numbers and a minimum contribution numbers from
the state and then since that time there's not been any other changes to revenue we have had some slight again related to those reviews of instructional assistance we've also we need to move some instructional assistants who are supporting students in harch elementary
school right now will be supporting students at the high school next year so that kind of shifted some of the funding and that's how we end up at 8.74% increase for the town of chattam 11, 210,000 so that's where we are I have
just a couple more slides to put all this in a little more context to kind of building on what we previously presented the first thing is just uh the breaking this down by the categories that are outlined in the in the regional agreement capital is down as we're focused on the debt
project at the middle school overall debt is also down slightly because of our refinancing of our high school debt and then the other kind of other one really that's out of line with everything else is our programs with other school districts and transfers out so that's our a special education
tuition so we have an increase in the number of students who require education outside the district uh specialized schools private and collaborative schools and we saw a significant increase there and that's impacted our budget and then other school Services which the other one that's kind of above
the norm at 8.23% that includes Transportation we've also seen an increase in our transportation costs in part related to those out of District placements and also just related to the ongoing increase in cost related to salaries and Fuel and maintenance of
vehicles and then just some summary figures to put this all in further context we have the district enrollment which we are expecting to go down though that is based on what we think prek and kindergarten is going to look like and we don't know that for sure yet and enrollment a staffing is down just one
teacher so we are reducing some classroom teachers but we are increasing the number of Specialists to support the needs of students and so although we're seeing this just a small change there I've also included our total expenditure across all funds obviously we don't know
what that will be yet for the end of this year or next year but that includes grants and then what the budget has been for each the last five years and proposed for next year so our budget is normally around 90 to 95% of our total cost it went it was a slightly lower percentage in the last couple of years
as we had federal funds that help to support the budget and we're kind of returning back to that 93 94% level in the next couple of years and then those are sort of the history of the assessments over the last five years and projected and proposed for next year so
that's just all little context and that's a the last piece is just how we compare to others towns so we know that this budget so this is you know for this year this is the highest of all the districts that we've compared ourselves to from around the
cape these are local in comparison districts it's not the highest in the state there are other further a few districts with higher increases but here on the cape we are a little higher than other districts we we know that other districts in order to stay where they are have had to many of them have had to
make reductions in a number of staff and the number and increases in class sizes and not filling positions when they're vacated and at this point we've not had to do that yet and we've been able to continue to focus and providing students what they need and the services and the
class sizes they need for their education at the same time we've also addressed uh the uh salaries for our staff you know we just came out of negotiations for three all of our contracts are now and we've been able to increase rates in order to tackle the
Recruitment and Retention challenges we've been facing and so that's really why we are where we are for this year we were a little lower than our fellow Regional districts last year and a little higher this year and that's my quick summary of
where we're at building on the last presentation thank you Michael uh do any members of the finance committee have questions or comments please go ahead Joan yes thank you Mr chair in light of the um increase in our
budget uh are you happy with the with the uh performance of your students do does that do do they match in other words is compared to the other towns on the cape where do our students
stand uh in in their performance yeah I think that's an excellent question yeah I I would say you know we're you know we're solidly there um you you at the you know above the state average you know we're right you know
we're right with our peers and at the same time we're doing a lot uh there's a lot behind this budget uh there's you know almost I I think about a third of a million dollars in professional development that supports you know
continued growth of our teachers uh and also addition of Elementary curriculum we want to really focus you know on our math curriculum at the elementary school so again there's a lot in there to continue to bolster success of our
students and also success of our teachers and helping students achieve success it just looks like financially we're doing our part compared to other towns or systems on the cape and I just want to make sure that our students profit from it but having their
performance uh evaluated in the top tier as well yeah and we and and we have for several years now uh gone through a process of uh we assess you know we assess children across the grade levels three times you know three times a year
so it's not just looking at an end of the year mcast test in terms of uh you providing feedback on how we're doing but but providing feedback real time as the school year is going going on and we've had some wonderful presentations from the chadam elementary school
principal really showing how some of the new Ela English curriculum that we put in place in the last couple years and how much that's helping Elevate the students so so the hope is now coming in with a new math curriculum at the El Elementary level will kind of continue
that upward Trend oh thank you and thank you Mr chair Tommy you had a question okay please Tracy just a question is it common for us to not get any federal aid so we are so we
are receiving Federal a we are expecting to receive federal aid next year I don't know is what when I mentioned federal assistance as we commit of covid we received 2 something3 million do in
additional Aid and so that kind of that skewed some of our numbers for likey 22 and 23 this year we're back to regular Federal funding for now and that's uh our title one which is primarily around lwi income students and then Ida which
is primarily around uh special education services and of course it's at the moment a little bit of a wild card on what does that look like you know moving forward but the presumption is that it'll stay level fund it's just kind of
question of where it comes from you know does the government send it down to the the states to have the states disperse it or or what but that's that's the great unknown at the moment thank you um We the finance committee has previously had a presentation on the budgets this is a
good update it's nice to see that uh do we have other questions on the go ahead John with respect to the out of District children that you referenced yep in one of the slides are we seeing that this District our district is drawing more special ed children from out a district
well we we don't we don't necessarily we don't draw the students I I think the students that are showing up in that are you children that are living in either chadam harwitch who have intensive special needs and need to be placed in
some sort of setting beyond what we can support in our schools I think one of the great things that we've done at monomo over the years that I've been there we've developed a number of programs to go and keep as many kids as we possibly can in
District and uh I I it's almost like a random you know you know roll of the dice this past year we've had uh a disproportionate number who have needed more than what we can support and you
and just the challenges uh when you are this far out on the cape uh there you know when I was a superintendent in the suburbs there were placements that you could go north south east and west and a fairly short distance you know that
that's not what we have you what we have here we you know we are part of the Cape Cod collaborative so there are some limited placements that we have you know more towards Barnstable but if a child has significant you know significant needs and needs something that's our
residential placement it's often times a long drive and uh and you know the cost can be you know 400,000 and above I follow upad yeah I understand the significant um cases but I'm I guess
what I'm asking is students that need a little bit more than the average pupil in District are we seeing uh out of District children being sent they selecting Monomoy so I I think families families
could choose could choose monomo and you I I don't see sort of a disproportionate number but I'd also I would also say that um you know when it comes to school choice in if you're talking about out of District students like a family lives in
Dennis let's say that wants to send a child here uh children that have special needs actually uh we would receive more than just the $5,000 you know the way the funding formula works is you actually get funding to support the
added special needs of the child so you know so I don't see us as getting more you know more than you know than the number of you know the percentage of special ed students in the general population but but with them would also
come additional funding it it becomes a little different if that child from Dennis is here in our district and now we say okay we can't support their needs Dennis's part would be pulled in as part of that conversation or the Dy school system would be pulled in as part of
that conversation to say okay well where should the child be placed and that's on you know back on the Dennis uh Dennis Yarmouth books not ours and with respect to the reference you made to um increasing it looked like you
needed to hire some additional special specially trained teachers to meet the needs in the district is that right yeah so I think that I think that's I I I think there's a slide there that shows uh there's three uh teaching assistants that were that were shifting from harch
elementary school to to the high school just you know we have fewer kids at harbage elementary school than you know that would need the AIDS and an increase in population that's showing up at the high school that you know that we could it's sort of redistributing
those uh that resource following the pupils up into the okay where the only place in the in the budget where we are adding Staffing is we have seen a a rather uh steep uptick in students
needing English language services so there's two staff members in this budget just because we're required to provide the services and the you know the numbers that we're now hitting we're we're over 90 students out of 1,700 in
the in the district that you know that need additional supports and it's just making sure we have enough Staffing to support them because currently we don't have enough across the buildings okay all right thank you um
this has not yet been voted on by the select board but I would propose that we make a contingent vote that assuming it goes on the town warrant voted by the select board it's 11,210
103 and the we would recommend approval is there a motion to that effect so second second good all right thank you uh call the roll on that go with Eric yes Joanne yes Robert
Madison yes Tommy Dome yes chair vot High Kristen Andre yes Tracy Shields yes John papalardo yes John yes okay sorry I missed that all right so youan in favor
great thank you so much on that now we can move to the breaks and mortar all right excellent so don't have any slides on this one but we can I think you're aware of the project that's been good on at the middle school to address uh deficiencies in this the siding and
windows at the middle school and we have had uh so this has been a project that's going on going on now for like 18 months and we initially estimated the cost of some repairs to be $2.5
million uh so a number that will haunt me for the rest of my life so as the project has come in and as we've started to do the work this project is much more costly than we had originally estimated the total cost of the project is now
estimated 11,57 $30 so so there's a number of things have happened since that original estimate and including you know we've been we've hired architect and a project manager as required by the law and they've helped
us fully develop the the our understanding of what's involved we've also set up a building committee to help us oversee this process this project and some of these decisions so the the we've now fully captured the necessary costs we've also expanded the scope of the
project to include replacement of the windows and that's because as we've done further Research into exactly what's going on in our siding a lot of the the where the waterers getting into the building is around the windows because of how the flashing was done so the windows which are 28 years now 28 years
old as part of the siding process they're going to have to be removed the the flashing and uh their siding improved and then the windows reinstalled so rather than just going through that whole process only to replace them again in a few years time when they start to fail we'd replace
them now at the same time which in the long run will save the district money so that 11 A5 million is also includes you know contingencies for uh anything that might happen around the the materials anything that might happen
around you know the the scheduling of the work to be done and ensures that we have enough money now to cover the full cost of the project so school committee voted last week to approve the district to incur the additional debt so we already have
the $2.5 million so we now uh have to borrow an additional 9 million 9,730 in order to get us to that full project cost so what that is is that's just approval for our debt limit we
won't actually borrow that amount we'll only borrow what we need to do the actual project we just can borrow up to that amount once that amount is approved you know we hope and we're working very very closely with our project manager and our designer and our building committee to keep that number as low as
possible so but we just don't want to be in a position where we're having to come back and ask for additional approval if it ends up being you know if we do have to end up using some of those contingencies and so we have the school committee has voted and actually just this this afternoon sending a letter to
the towns just to notify them of that to make sure we've followed the correct process and then really now we just need Town approval for us to incur the debt now I should say what this approval is is just to approve the debt the debt our initial payment in the debt is already
reflected in the assessment so approval of the debt doesn't impact the assessment because we already made it you know we we working with our bond Council and our financial advisors and what the initial payment might look like and so we've estimated $300,000 for
initial payment and then there'll be you know then once we actually do the borrowing that schedule of payments we plan based on initial payment of $300,000 that will be the so so that $300,000 is already reflected
in our debt budget in this assessment so your question might be is okay well if we don't get approve does that mean assessments go down $300,000 well I you know we're still if this is not approved we we still have a lot of repairs that need to get done to
the building so there is there is right now issues with the siding that would have to be addressed so if this project doesn't go ahead then we will have to address those problems so at least for next year that money would be redirected in order to help us address the capital problems with the building so would not
impact the assessment thank you Michael uh members of the finance committee Eric um so just people probably know but I am on the the building committee that's looking into this and um the the
process has been um I think very well run it's you know by by these two gentlemen here the the time frame has been very short so there's been a lot of moving pieces that have had to come together quickly the architect and the
uh the OPM the project manager have have um have done a lot of work in the background um the you you heard about this this the windows piece of it that the building committee was adamant about not P you know not backing this project
unless the windows became part of it so obviously that that increased the increased the the the cost um there's also a significant amount of the the sheathing that there that has been determined probably needs to be replaced as well so there's there's a you know there's a lot to this more than just
sidewall um but I think uh I can I can say from being you know fairly close to the to how things are going uh how things have been progressing that um there's still a lot to be figured out and the architect is still has some has some work to do and you know as the
bidding comes in uh as to put the project together for bidding um but it is needed the the siding over there is in terrible shape the flashing on the Windows caused some of that issue um so I'm personally going to support this I
think it I think it's important for the for the building and for the students that are utilizing it there was also a lot of discussion about um air quality issues inside the building which I'm sure everybody here read about um wasn't really emphasized on this proposal but
um the testing that's been done my understanding is the testing that's been done has uh has really shown that that that's not a huge issue now um or an issue now for from a Health and Welfare standpoint for the students um but as this exterior continues to degrade you
know that's when you're going to start to have more and more issues with with moisture it's it's it's on the outside as far as I think we can tell at this point but um you know this is it's a lot of money for for siding uh and windows but um the building really build
building really needs it in my opinion so Eric others please Tracy thank you so it it the amount like on our on our scorecard is for the approval of the 9 million yeah but that's an addition our in addition but
of that chadam only really sign signing up for 2 m88 yeah okay so yeah so we still need to vote on the full amount yeah so because you're given us authorization to go ahead and borrow that funding and then when how you will end up paying for
it is every year in the assessment when we do the assessment calculation we'll look at how much we're paying in debt payments that year principal and interest and then that's divided to amongst the Two Towns based on Foundation enrollment so it just be split on it roughly
75 25 percentage although it's varied I I also just want to do a truth and advertising too um because I I know a couple years ago or maybe was a year and a half ago uh there was a town meeting special town meeting where uh
water started dripping from the ceiling and I received uh many an email from folks in chatam about the roof and what are we doing about the roof uh we haven't forgotten about the roof we we have applied for uh for the
Massachusetts uh building authorities accelerated repairs project and have been uh brought into that uh so the roof will get covered at a 37% rate from the state uh so that'll
push that number down um but but that's a it's a process to go through we anticipate you you know not this spring but next spring bringing the roof forward to town meeting there's a rough
estimate out there of 8 million and change that the overall roof project might be of which it I think the borrowing would be you know five you know five and a half million roughly that would be needed for the roof and then chadam would be a portion of would
it be a portion of that um so that's that's still out there but combined that this project and the roof project would have the entire envelope of that building you know redone and ready for the next you know 40 plus years so
that's you know that's the intent out there we haven't forgotten about the roof at all it's just uh roofs you can get state aid for siding you you don't get uh State support from other members of the finance
committee Barbara do you have anything no I don't see your hand up I guess I'm go ahead bar disappointed I thanks Mr chair I guess I'm disappointed that um that all these millions aren't going to cover the roof
and hope that we aren't going to sit at a town meeting and get rained on after we spent all these all this money do we have um Michael or Scott do you have any idea how harage is feeling about this big number
um uh yes I I I I think I think harage uh and I'm I'm sure that you know you know that Harwich has reached out to chadam I know Harwich has reached out to chadam I think harwitch uh uh
understands that it's a big project and that the number's big I think they have issues that they want to discuss with chadam when it comes to the assessment calculation which is part of the regional agreement not you know you know
and as you know we've had discussions at at the building committee it's like that's not ours to solve at the as a building committee but that's you know that's uh at least conversations that
keep bubbling back up on in harage Eric you had a well I was similar to what Barbara just asked have you have you been to CH to Hart's finance committee select board yet discuss not not for not
for this uh but you know but we keep getting little you know I I was about to watch last night's select board meeting where I think this in part may have been discussed and it posted just before I came so I didn't get a chance to go and
look to see what the discussion was at the table last night okay all right uh is there anyone else in the audience would like to address this go ahead Seth please take the like turn
and identify yourself thank you Mr chairman uh Seth Taylor chadam um one of the early slides where there were three iterations of the budget process going forward uh howt has went down as it went through those three
iterations by a little over 1.2% I think while chadam went up nearly I don't know 1.7 or something perc I'm curious as to you know how how which scale slid and chadam went up by a factor that
roughly became double um that's the first question the second issue is um I've spoken to the um superintendent previously um and folks in chat I'm are very well aware of the fact that we have a declining Elementary School population
and we have Elementary parents that are very desirous of keeping their kids in chadow we also know that every time the school budgets come up and harage squeezes they squeeze their budget and the money falls on chatam that's happened repeatedly and I think we're
getting ready to see that happen again on the middle school I suggest right now while we're looking at this large amount of money for doing modifications major modifications to the Middle School
we do everything we can right now to modify that school to be able to incorporate um our elementary school kids as that population declines to the point where it's no longer feasible for us to keep a separate school um that's
going to happen the superintendent when I talked to him said yeah that's going to happen in a year or two well it it needs to be considered now I know our parents of young kids want to keep their kids in in town I've looked at the birth rate in chatam for the last
5 years I've also watched the uh School enrollment in the elementary school this thing's going to be untenable very very quickly and we're going to get squeezed by howich again and we're going to be busing our kids um elementary school kids to harch if we don't think about
that in this short term when we're having to spend all this extra money messing around with the middle school which is going to have to be done thank you thank you Mr Taylor um finance committee members uh the select board is expected to hear this
tonight as I've recall correctly Joe it is yet they are and so the the article before them is a majority vote to authorize the monary Regional School District borrowing authorization okay um so I think it it may still be
appropriate we could take a contingent vote on whether or not we recommend approval of this um do we feel like that somebody make a motion we we we could uh I think Mr Taylor asked a specific question about the budget that the the business manager might be able to answer
it might be appropriate to hear that if so there's so a couple of there's a few questions in there uh so first of all I would say that we so there's only one time that we've made a change which has moved finances from harch to chatam and
that was when we changed the regional agreement so that each time we would pay for its Elementary School in no other case situation has harage squeezed and chat was paid that's not happened apart from that one change and that was to do with the elementary school so I will say the reason that
that you see that change in the percentage is really two reasons one was the decision around a pre you know we're keeping a prek program at chatam and so that made one of those changes and the other change was one of the the way the regional agreement works the first thing
that's assessed each town is the minimum local contribution which is set by the state and that's based on uh town in estimated income and property values and this year chatam went up by a couple
more percent than harit has did and so that meant the first thing that's assessed to the towns chattam had a larger share of it than chat not not actually larger but proportionately there share of it increased and so those two things the pre program and the a and
minimum local contribution and just getting final enrollment numbers where our enrollments were slightly off those things are really what contributed to the the assessments changing over that period and then the last thing really was that changing so it is challenging
now with the new Regional agreements so when those three instructional assistants that were at harbit elementary school that there they were paid 100% by harch elementary school when they move up to the high school you know the net change is there at the high school then they're paid 75% roughly by
chattam by harch and 25% by chattam so these now because of the way the regional agreement works these kind of interdistrict changes or intradistrict changes impact the assessments and that is you know that's a new reality that we're still kind of grappling with in
the district because before it just used to be it doesn't matter where all the costs are they're just shared in the same formula but now that has changed a little so the reason for the reason that the changes over the course the process was really numbers which were coming in from the state really and the prek
program and then uh I think your other question was about whether we should include additional work inside the middle school I think we've been trying to I mean to we've been trying to maintain this project only what absolutely has to be done to bring the
siding up to the necessary standard so we put the windows in but only because that was the best that was the most appropriate and efficient approach to the project but we've not we've anything else that's not directly related we've not included and that's been kind of the overview of the building
Committee in order to keep the project costs as low as possible but I appreciate what you're saying about making changes I mean I don't I mean you know it's so hard to tell where enrollment is going yes it has been going down but slowly I think we'll still have a viable Elementary
School for many years to come how many years it's very difficult to tell he we do have you know the numbers have been not you know they're not they don't go down as fast as you would think but they have reduced we still have a viable Elementary School and we would like to
Tracy thank you I just think it's important to make note that um the town has consistently voted to have an elementary school in chadam and making contingency plans on what is already a
sizable budget um something the town remains against makes no sense thank John you had something I was curious if uh Eric referenced earlier he's on the building Review Committee or
not sure exactly what it's called but has the issue of has the issue of needing to consider rolling the elementary school into the middle school come up uh not not to my knowledge not during any of the meetings
um I mean as as Michael just said I mean the the focus has been on you know sealing up the exterior envelope which I guess if you were ever in the future going to move the elementary school there this is that part of it's important and I don't think anything really in the scope of what we're even
remotely talking about would help or impact that at this point in my opinion that was my next question and then I guess I had a third question which would be sounds like both towns are going to send emissaries together to talk about the
cost sharing agreement that exists between the two towns is this issue about Elementary School enrollment Decline and potential need to make some changes and how we use our community's assets to educate our children going to be part of that conversation when we were Mr chair when
we were requested by the the select board chair in hardwich it was only about the regional agreement um I don't know the meeting is not until um Mid April I just don't have the date in front of me so if there's other items that the select board wants to put on
the agenda they can and it will be a meeting that is uh publicly broadcast and can be um watched on YouTube as well it's going to be held in hardwich in their select born meeting room right and just just to chime in on
enrollment I you know I I if we look at what chadam Elementary's enrollment has kind of hit at the moment it it's been fairly level and consistent for the last you know for the last couple of years in fact the the chatam you know the chatam
side of the enrollment equation for Monomoy actually ticked up just a little bit this you this past year you know that's that's one interesting little twist um so you know so I I don't see a
place looking out into the near future you know 5 10 years where you know where you could roll in elementary school you know the size of chadam into the middle school with having without having that building be being awkwardly uncomfortable in terms of space
utilization there there was a period of time uh when we had you know sort of the bubble so at the moment uh I think uh you know children the age of Tracy's son uh are you know like represent the bubble and they'll be graduating this
year at Monomoy and when that bubble was rolling through the middle school it was tight you know space you know space was tight and you know if you were to roll chadam elementary school into it you'd be back in a sort of overly
type you know situation um you know so again you know I don't see it in the in the near future but I also agree with Eric you know it's you know making that building as watertight and uh you know
preserving that it's a great it's a great facility it's a great asset that our two towns have I mean few middle schools around or for that matter few middle schools in the state have the fields and resources that that middle school has because it was initially
designed as a high school and uh I think the fact that we have all of that in a middle school that has two gymnasiums and an auditorium and everything is is a wonderful thing and preserving that you know for as many years in the future is important for both towns
thank you Scott there we have somebody online who has a hand up I'm not sure who it is would you please identify your yes it's Lan Gibbs I'm sorry I came in late but I just wanted to clarify what I think I heard today so what we're
talking about right now the work that's going to be done on the Middle School includes windows and doors Etc not the roof and that current price is 12 million but then I just heard Mr Carpenter say that it doesn't include
the roof and that could cost 8 million so now we're up to 18 million and then I think I heard you say that it doesn't include any interior work so if we need to do interior work as a result of the
damage I assume it needs some interior work it hasn't been done in years you know we're talking potentially over 20 25 million um I I think it's also important to understand that I don't believe in this
budget correct me if I'm wrong that the only Improvement to the elementary school which is at our sole cost Adams is like $4,000 for carpeting but that building also needs roof Windows
generator pump doors Etc that is going to be our sole expense chams and I trust that none of that is in this budget as well nor have any estimates been done and I'm very concerned that the
elementary school is going to start having issues that the middle school has and those numbers are going to go up exponentially uh if the roof starts leaking or the Windows start leaking and that's going to be our expense and yet we've seen no numbers at the potential
costs for chadam elementary school to be upgraded so if I'm wrong on any of that and I would also just point out that currently in terms of the cost per student for district enrollment using the foundation enrollment harch is
currently spending 27,2 per student and chadam is paying 31,5 198 per student we only have 355 kids chattam kids in the entire District
uh so that at 31598 is the highest on the cape for a town to pay per student and uh and looking at the 400 schools uh in Massachusetts I would say
we're in the five top to five to 10 schools in terms of what it's costing per student I think it's important for the finance committee to know that and I'm concerned that our assessments are going to go up when we have to pay for the elementary school repairs and if we
find out that the roof is going to cost 8 million and we do have to do interior work so I think taxpayers need to know that as we're moving into the warrant thank you and thank you finance committee members what do you care to do
now Eric please um I don't know if there needs to be some response that there was a couple of things that I know that Miss kib said that we're not we're slightly off so I don't know if Michael wants to address some of those or or not so I would say a lot of what MIP says is
accurate in that there is the sing project it doesn't include doors so miss Gibs referred to doing windows and doors and siding it's just windows and siding it does not include the it does not include the roof as Dr Carpenter said
that's coming down the road and we as to the condition of the chatam elementary school unfortunately you know the age of these buildings they they do need you know there is going to be continue to be a need for capital investment to maintain the buildings the
priority for the district has been the middle school and uh the next major Capital project but we've not really got we've not got to the stage of approval but we have started to look at a harit elementary school boiler is like 32
years old and we're looking at a replacing that that would be harage Elementary cost a har harage elementary schools so the town of harage has cost but I mean unfortunately maintaining and upkeeping up your buildings is does
carry a cost to it and the longer we leave it the more costly it will get so yes I think maintaining a healthy level of debt in order to maintain our buildings is on the in the future for both towns I would just add just quickly so when we talk about per pupil costs
the per pupil costs available like so it's really the definition is really critical go because the per people cost that the state presents and sometimes we've included in our Pro in our presentations doesn't always include debt so I would just need to double check the numbers when we're comparing our per p with other towns which whether
or not we are comparing like with like that all said yes chams per pupil cost is higher than harch and often what you find is the smaller the town the higher the per pupil cost because you're just spreading like the same cost like your business manager spread over fewer
people fewer students than you know every district has one business manager and it's just over the number of people that spread over and in your case what sorry real quick what drives up your pair of pupil cost is paying for the elementary school by and large if it wasn't for the elementary school your pair of pupil would be roughly the same
as hares because thank you um Joan you had a thank you Mr chair uh there's one thing that I'm not getting from your explanation and uh stop me if I'm wrong but the state determines the minimum cost per pupil and that is based on the
income of the of the town and the evaluation chattam is higher than a lot of other towns because we have such a high real estate evaluation and apparently a higher income uh precedent
than than others do so that's one of the major costs the state demands that we have nothing to say about that minimum cost per student you're you're 100% right sir part of the calculation is the so the per pupo number that Miss Gibbs
is talking about is just basically taking up some number for our budget whether it includes de or not but taking it and dividing it by the number of students gets more complicated depending on which number you use but basically taking a total and dividing it by the number of students but part of the what
drives up the assessment is as you said the cost at the state the minimum contribution that the state requires which is based on revenue from the income and valuations of property and so that does impact your assessment and your per pupil assessment thank you m
Eric you had your hand up the only other clarification and correct me if I'm wrong Michael um for Mrs Miss one of Miss Gibbs statements the the interior work so yeah the interior work that's my understanding is the interior work that will be required as part of the siding
and windows projects which you're correct there is some I mean you take a window out there's some work on that needs to be done on the inside and like that is included in the estimate yes when we were talking about interior work from um the previous speaker question
that was about maybe reconfiguring things or something for elementary school so there so the project estimate is complete for siding windows and then anything that's that's required to to put everything back the way it is so yes so there was you know so you know there
were engineers that were brought in as part of this process to make sure that the number is a good solid number and they bore you know 4-in holes in you in the walls you almost 50 different places going around the middle school to make
sure that the interior walls were not compromised and and you know those cores came out fine but again it it also you know it it also speaks to the urgency here we know that the sheathing is starting to get wet but behind the
shingles and the longer that's wet you know the you know the greater the chance that those interior walls get compromised which makes it a potentially a lot bigger project so you know so the you know the interior work I I think would largely be you pop out a window
you potentially are having to replace the window sill on the inside um but that's really the limitation of what we imagine the interior work being and the reason that we we or addressing the siding and kind of bumped that one
forward because for years Michael and I would have been coming before you saying we've got a roofing project coming we got a roofing project coming you know we we were able to go and Patch the roof you know and you know in in in spots at the moment we've got a situation where
the siding where there are too many leaks in the dam so to speak for us to go and just patch you know patch around and that's becoming the more critical thing to protect the taxpayers investment is to get the sighting
project done first so that we can then move on the following year and do the roof project um my my sense is that we're beginning to drift away from the specific question having to do with the Middle School Siding and Window work um as we talk about all sorts of other
things um I mean I'm I see that Miss Gibbs has her hand up again you know if it's specific to the question um I'd be happy to entertain her comments whatever they are it's just very quick when I was
referring to doors back in uh early 2023 when we told that there was going to be work done required on the ele school we were told it would need a new roof boilers generators Windows pump pumps and doors I was not speaking about the
middle school I just wanted to clarify that I appreciate maybe that's changed now but that's that's that's what I was referring to thank you all right thank you uh other members of finance committee anything else no all right um I mean I would propose that we take a
contingent vote on this again on the select board voting to approve it and place it on the warrant I move to take a contingency vote okay all right is there a second to that second good uh all right let's call the
rooll Eric Whitley yes Joann spra yes Rob Madison yes Tommy Don yes Christen Andre yes Tracy Shields yes John papalardo yes and Cher votes I great thank you so much
appreciate it thank you appreciate your time okay next on our agenda we have an eversource easan for 114 training Field Road I assume Tom you want to talk about that Rob failey our director of
[Laughter] DPW good afternoon Rob failey DPW director welcome thank you uh so the town basically has requested underground electric to power our water treatment facility that's being constructed on
training Field Road so in turn ever source is requesting an easement to provide that power so that's that's the extent of it pretty simple in my opinion happy to answer any questions Mr chair the select board has voted to favorably recommend
three to zero to zero great thank you for usn any finance committee members Kristen go robit um will the easement be over like an existing Disturbed area like roadway or does this require them to clear more
trees and that property no it's it's goes around the building so it'll come in through the Northern or I guess Northwestern driveway around the building around an area that's already been Disturbed okay thank you okay any others no look like it don't see
anything all right cool um all right select boards already approve this so do we have a motion to recommend approval of this article to town meeting so moved second anyone second good uh call the rooll
again Eric yes Joanne yes robber Madison yes Tommy donme yes Ron andrees yes Tracy Shields yes John papardo yes chair votes I all right thank you thank
you Myan all right uh next on our agenda we have zoning bylaw amendments uh West chattam neighborhood center and District boundary uh Jill I'm sure Mr chair so we
have the chair of the planning board with us art spru as well as our town planner Christino gready and they report on the planning board meeting that was held last night great thank you so much welcome
okay um uh thank you U my name is Arts Brew chair of the planning board um just some um background on this uh this uh has been in the works for an extended period of time and started
before I was uh I joined the board uh um it was primarily initiated when the route 2028 visioning study was uh started uh underneath the assistance of the cape K commission this was back in
2013 2014 uh the outcome of that along with some uh uh hearings that the um planning board had with the communities was to start with some
changes and removal of zoning that existed uh for example in this area where the West chadam Neighborhood Center it was Flex district and the flex District uh and I think they removed the
um the other zoning between the the neighborhood centers along Route 28 in the 2016 uh articles and all that zoning was removed back then also in that visioning study they
introduced the idea that we should create uh these Village centers there was a series of them I think uh about four and the planning board did start that process
of uh going forward with the West chadam Neighborhood Center first uh we started this with a discussion and understanding of a different approach uh we hired the cape God
commission this was back in 2020 and they uh they introduced us back at that time the idea of going with a form based zoning and that's part of what will show
you some uh aspects of that as we do our presentation so I would say the start of of what we have and what we're introducing uh this afternoon to you and this bylaw was initiated during that uh
September of 2020 and I think we first saw a draft of this in September of 2021 so we did we did Begin by really defining the purpose of what
we wanted to do with the B law in the west chadam Neighborhood Center uh we wanted to implement the goals of the comprehensive plan back in 2003 that's actually where where where the start of this idea came around we
wanted to create uh create a stronger connection to uh the community's Visions regulations and development plans and as you see some of the images in that I will explain to you how some of this uh evolved and was altered from what it
currently is we enhanced the character of the uh Neighborhood Center we're promoting multimodal especially pedestrian friendly design and development that was an important element here if you take a look at the
um the the town center right now it's pedestrian friendly it was important that that was an aspect of this uh area here um I had worked with the uh Mast doot to enhance as much as we could back
then because it's very difficult to get adjustments in what they were doing but they did create some um opportunities with some pedestrian paths as well as sidewalks and lighting and that uh and some street scaping so that was a
component that was within the RightWay bounds that was a help to us uh we're encouraging more efficient use of land you'll see that as part of what we're proposing with this we're trying to uh we're encouraging the
creation a range of housing opportunities housing is extremely important in the neighborhood centers I will go into that a little bit provided a mechanism for increasing the supply of affordable and attainable housing this was a challenge it delayed
us a lot other things delayed us but this was a component that we thought was very important to include in here and then we provided a mechanism for uh contributing to year round housing uh the process that we go Ahad
chy uh well we did identify we made the boundary changes several uh uh several times we made some adjustments over this period of time but and I have a better map toward the end I'll show you what that is but
essentially it's un Route 28 it's about 500 ft west of George rer Road to about 800 ft east of of Barnhill Road that's that's the district both north and south of 28 and I I'll show you a little bit
more on the map once we get to to the end when we actually show you the district map and then what we did is we looked at creating zones and again this was a recommendation by the Cape Cod Commission
uh the first zone is uh uh we started with 100 ft adjacent to the route 28 quarter um you'll see later on that that was an adjustment that was increased to 150 ft the prop the lots that are on
Route 28 they go back quite a distance so that's a Zone A2 A1 is the first 150 ft A2 is the remaining part of of those lots off of Route
28 um those are actually the largest portion of the area in the west chanam Neighborhood Center the remaining lots are the Zone B which is the remaining Lots which are
not on Route 28 they're off they're on like George Ryder Road there are some on Barnhill Road and some uh North on Welden way uh there's about two dozen of those and
those all fall into to Zone B uh next we we started with the form based code um this was a reason why we hired uh the Cape Cod Commission this is
something back when we started in 2020 with them they introduced this topic to us because we had some discussions with them um since they they started with the visioning study they came back in uh give us a some of the new board
members an idea of what the visioning study was first set up they introduced the form-based code and we were not knowledgeable about this at that point it they had developed this with several other communities once we heard the the
discussion on this and how this could help us with coming up with an out outcome of what we had a vision for but we weren't quite sure how to do that just with text and words the next we had a buildout
analysis I'll go into that that was an eye openening experience for us to and then we did after we made the adjustments we came up with a visioning uh visualization study which was done by Union Studios and that is sort of the
outcome that we were looking for we needed to have some idea what is all going to look like after we wrote the entire bylaw all right these maps are hard to see you'll see a little bit better on the on the
others ah good yes so Main Street and we have GE yeah right and then George Ryder road to the north there and it's George Road South Marketplace is a little bit to the left there that's correct all right and then Barnhill Road
is on the on the the South there yep Barnhill Road Wen way is on the North side so those are the limits of where it is a good portion of this is what the GB3 District was prior to
this um the next map over there that shows you the turquoise type color that's the The Zone a that's the 150 ft now you see the lighter bluish gray color that's the Zone A2 those are the
same lots that are abing Route 28 but they're rather large Lots so a significant amount of development could occur in the rear of these Lots provided they meet the conservation setbacks Etc all right
oh well go back once more and the darker ones which are predominantly on George Ryder Road South Marketplace a few on George Ryder road on the Northern side of that toward Wen way those are the uh
Zone B lots and again they don't front on the only reason why there zomie is they don't front on Route 28 all right so with the form based code excuse me oh if you would yes thank you Mr chair would it be possible for you to
uh explain at this point what those different um zones sure allowed in those zones as we look at the map it's really hard to understand sure what a and the different colors mean because I don't see it explained anywhere in our packet
nor on your slide thank you okay it mostly has to do with the standards and criteria for it for example um in in zone A1 the minimum roadway setback is 10 ft and the maximum is 20
feet for the building setbacks okay now when you get to Zone A2 you have a setback distance associated with that but then there's no maximum because you could put a building all to the rear of those lots in zone B there's a 10-ft setback there
and a 30ft setback as a maximum so each of these zones has a specific criteria for setbacks um it also uh we also have different uses that are allowed in each of these zones the use table defines
what is allowed in zone a A1 A2 and B as long list there in the table uh that's the predominant reason why we have established each of these zones is what is the uses that are going
to be allowed uh the other criteria is when we have a mixed use what what is the percentage of commercial versus residential in zone one there is a
criteria of 50% has to be commercial and that's in the first 150 ft in zone 8 A2 and B you could have all residential if that was desirable by an applicant they can put commercial back
there though so it's a lot of flexibility here and most of that is flushed out during the site plan review process when an EP comes before us does does that help a little bit CHR yes thank you I um it would have
been helpful to have had it in our packet just to have a visual again an explanation of that but thank you for explaining that now so in this case if you take a look these are the visuals that we have in uh
in included in the bylaw now normally you won't see something like this in a bylaw so to begin with the frontage building not not just what the where the frontage building is going to be but also what the facade is what's the
percentage of the front edge building which is adjacent to the road versus how much is setback we do have a criteria that we don't want the entire building to be right at the front edge we want some adjustments in there and again we were looking at the Village Center that
we have right now and these are the type of things that we noted in here so if you don't put it in here you're not going to get it that's that was the type of thing that we learned um on the occupancy uh again it's it's a scale of how much
of each of the buildings there could be multiple buildings on the front line uh on the front adjacent to the road and there had to be a certain percentage of those buildings atj uh at the front setback versus at the farther setback
that is allowed in along the road and again there's secondary buildings that are allowed this is mostly on the lots that are uh Zone A2 and in this case there's criteria for each of these as we get through each
section of the bylaw next okay so after we developed the first round of this with multiple revisions in October of 23 we had a
Outreach to the community and we were looking for some feedback this was uh we've had over 20 Outreach uh sessions with the public from 24 uh from
2013 to the present so this has been a back and forth introduce something take some feedback we here and we make adjustments this was requested of US during that uh Outreach session to do a build down
analysis because we had identified a higher density than what was uh uh the original plan it actually was no higher than what the flex District had called for originally which was deleted back in 20
uh 2016 so uh we hired BSC Consultants to actually take the bylaw the way it was drafted at that point that was June of 24 do a build on analysis just the way
to have it what what an applicant would do and what we learned is that we didn't have enough uh mix between commercial and residential it looked like it was an overdominance of residential and even though residential
is an important component of a Village Center uh we wanted a a better B balance so what we did associated with this is we made four adjustments and this was uh BC presented their findings
in September of 2024 we took the A1 Zone and we increased it from 100 to 150 ft and then we established that 50% of that had to be of commercial use so you could have more than one building in that 150 ft it
could be uh one two it could be even three buildings that could fit into that that area there but if they had um say uh 10,000 square fet of use 5,000 of it would have to be commercial so that
there was no criteria prior to that other than the first front first 30 ft of Frontage of that front building was only criteria for for retail uh for uh commercial back uh back in June so that
was an important adjustment um we took a look at the density numbers and one of the things that we also found is that uh the higher densities will primarily develop a outcome with some of the larger Lots
there's lots that are 3 acres or so those are the ones that we saw that other than what is use as of right which is five units breaker we we looked at how we could um enhance some of the
residential part of this with with multifam and we uh settled on 10 units breaker as a bonus okay a lot of criteria of what you have to do in order to achieve that and then the next part of what we had
is what we noted is in the residential area there was no common uh no common uh landscaped area and this was something that uh when one of our uh own board members said let's add a provision in there that if you're going to have a
residential component at the rear of these Lots say in zone A2 we want a common area that could be again an enhancement of what the area is like now what this does every one of these aspects manages that res residential
component so if an applicant comes in it's not going to be all one use we want a mixed use in here there has to be a balance a lot of this will be flushed out during the uh site plan review process and the another thing that we
required and we didn't note it here is we required uh for each residential unit two parking spaces now this is uh something which we uh debated back and forth on um the West chattam
Neighborhood Center is not like the uh the uh downtown Center that we have right now there's public parking there in multiple places there is none here so that means the only thing that we could do is we provided for shared parking and
linked parking and two units per unit uh that provides us that flexibility of creating something like what we have in the Old Village Center now and without having the town go out and purchase property and create
additional public parking there so this has to work with the developments as they're created site by site Mr chairman may I ask a question please go ahead um just for the sake of clarification is it 50% of the buildings
or 50% of the floor plan you may you made a reference to each 50% of the uses so if we had three buildings and 10,000 square ft or one building with 10,000 square ft 5,000 square ft would have to be
commercial okay so it's square footage it's not 50% of the buildings correct as as it's written in the second bullet um good point we will make that adjustment we we did discuss this as board we did clarify this point with our Building Commissioner on the way it's
drafted in the bylaw he interpreted the way we had intended it that how however much use is in the A1 Zone 50% of it has to be commercial okay as as measured by floor space correct correct very good thank
you before you continue let me just our secretary should note that Stephen Daniel has joined us from the beginning of the zoning conversation great thank you please go ahead okay uh okay
so we made these changes and this is after the September uh meeting with BSC group we made these four or five changes to the to the bylaw and then um the plane board hired Union
Studios to create a visual of this so their their visualization is going to be different than what the BSC group did because all of these changes were incorporated into what they had prepared um we were pinching them on this because
we didn't authorize them on this until December and they created the visualizations uh within about 40 days month and a half so it was pretty quick um let's see so we we have not had developers
come forward regarding development of these properties yet uh this is something that we expect is is uh could happen and so the visualizations that we're going to show you and I'll try to point these out of where these are and uh how these are set
up this is based on the bylaw as you see it in its final form today so this first site is the post office site and if you um show where the current buildings are on the right side there of the of the
property right right so that's a that's a uh strip of buildings that goes U it's pretty much perpendicular existing today perpendicular and goes to the rear of the site that's a 3 Acre Site and in the front
that uh it's again is not as wide as it is deep that's a a commercial building with a uh could have a component of of uh residential on the second floor um it could have commercial on both levels uh
parking is to the side and to the rear of all properties along here one of the things that's in the GB3 uh that is allowed now today is you can put barking in the front and you stick the building in the back
someplace uh and that's not an attractive look it's not like a Village Center like we're seeing in the Old Village Center so this is why the the outcome was intended the rest of the buildings in the rear you'll see are
different factions of residential with parking both um on street parking as well as a set of parking not the parking that you see there is two spaces per unit
and it can be can be made to look visually uh very appealing and that's exactly what the intent was when we created this bylaw with the form based code this part here is flushed out
during the site plan review process we have an applian come in we do a preliminary with them we flush out the arrangements of everything and once we get this to the point that back and forth we might do it with an applicant that's when we let him go forward with a
full site plan um submission on it so on the next site this one is right adjacent to Ocean State you can see ocean state that's the old bylaw that's what is created as part of that so this has a commercial
building up front and you see this is again it's more narrow in width the properties in the rear those are outside the 150 ft now you see where we have a common area of landscape in the center there that wouldn't have been
there before without adding some of this but again this uh these buildings when you when you propose 10 units per acre this is what they look like they're allowed to go to 2 and 1 half stories if
that building has affordable units in it now if that building does not have affordable units in it then it's two two stories maximum again each of these are specific criteria of how an applicant has to come forward depending upon what is's what
they're proposing to do uh and the next site this happens to be um Chapa Hoy site this one is a little bit different because a majority of it is all within the 150 feet so
therefore what you see here is commercial on the lower level of three buildings but residential on the upper level all the parking is in the rear this is not something that is proposed for these sites this is just a
visualization if if an applicant came in and they wanted to comply with the with the new bylaw this is what they would be uh looking to do when they came before us after this bylaw is
passed I'm thank you may I ask a question I I'm sure in my experience so far at least has been that typically zoning bylaws that are being proposed at town meeting come with some very specific language
exhibitions and so forth um you know um so far all we're seeing is the basic outline map from the districts and none of the other language that might accompany that I assume that there is
more um or am I wrong well I'm not quite sure what you're asking for what specific language are um well I I guess what I'm struggling with is we're being asked whether or not we want to recommend approval of this to the town
meeting and what we have to go on so far is what what been submitted for the article itself which is remarkably brief um and you know just an outline of the districts and I think we're all
looking or trying to find you know more meat language yeah the real the language is going to go with it now Katie I I'm hoping that you're gonna come up with something I am I'm sorry Mr chairman I'm not sure why the bylaw wasn't included in your packet there is a proposed byw I
apologize I thought you have to receive so I've asked nothing Katie dunan director of Community Development um so I apologize um one of the Community Development staff members is making copies and bringing them down now for um for
distribution so I apologize that it wasn't ined wait there's more I I had no idea that that was the case I assumed that this was that now that's why we've been looking a little mystified maybe I can understand why you're asking these questions now
great thank you so much appreciate it and for I would also suggest um to the rest of the members of the finance committee this is probably something we will need to consume and consider perhaps in our meeting next
Thursday um so you know I would agree yeah again I can walk you through quickly the headings on this and uh just to give you an idea of how we structured this but just for the sake of clarity what we just received is the proposed bylaw that's correct okay thank you yeah
all we started with a purpose the applicability Y everything in the other that's not covered in here that's in the protected by law still applies right our procedure is item four that's essentially uh special permit granting
Thor to uh the planning board for this uh for West chanam neighborhood and Center yep next is a series of definitions including affordable housing table housing I don't believe we've have those any place else in town is that
right Katie no so that was part of uh the timeline it took us to actually incorporate that element since it wasn't uh developed yet elsewhere in town uh in
section s which is is on page five this is the mandatory Provisions for affordable and obtainable housing uh excuse me section uh six right above it those are the zones it where highlights the uh A1 A2 and A3 and B
Zone um this this was a component of what we wanted to do to help with uh dealing with affordable containable housing if a development came in and they were proposing two residential IAL units then there had to be a
contribution for a payment in L for construction of an affordable attainable unit we didn't require an applicant to actually build the unit unless there were five units that were being built on
a particular site so if he came in with five units which is as of right the fifth unit had to be affordable and that had to be built so this was the criteria that up to that if he had two units
three units four units there would have to be a payment a portion of payment on Loop because we're looking for a contribution as well as a building of it uh next uh in section8 is where we
get into density five dwelling units per 45 40,000 sare ft that is um as of right that's the base density and then there's a uh density bonus now this is where an
applicant can go up to um 10 units per acre this is by special permit and it is uh in a same in a similar fashion if an napan came in and he was doing six units seven units eight units on a particular
site because that's all they could fit they would have to pay in on on that sixth unit 7eventh unit and eighth unit a payment and L and then if they did build all 10 units then the first one was affordable and the second one was
attainable okay and if there are any because the site was larger than that say it's a 3 Acre Site where you could build uh 30 residential units and it called for perhaps uh more um affordable obtainable only the first one had to be
affordable the other uh other ones would all be attainable but there would be a requirement that they have to be built though if he's going to build 30 units all the affordable and obtainable have to be built you can't use a payment and LU for that payment and LU is as you
approach that fifth or that 10th unit uh next under section nine is Affordable attainable units this is sort of our criteria that we use here that an applicant has to follow then when we get into sections 10 and
11 and 12 and 13 these are where we get into the specific criteria for each of the zones and they're and they're different the the
size the size of the um uh buildings that's also that's part of 13 uh for example uh the maximum size of building in A1 is 3,000 uh Square fet the in A2 it's 4,000 and N MB it's 4,000 so again
we're trying to not allow we'd rather see multiple buildings rather than one large building on a particular site and unless we put as much Criterion here as you see an applicant will do what an
applicant wants to do if there's no criteria then we don't have an awful lot that we can do as a planning board to manage that uh if I may interrupt for a second I I mean we're we're all frantically
flipping through this stuff y um you know I appreciate some of the explanatory material but I'm I'm you know time is short uh we have a number of other things we need to deal with today um let us have an opportunity
to read through these and happy to come back and and that probably would be best um that's the only way we're really going to have a a intelligent conversation about it okay um I I didn't realize that this wasn't in front of you I do apologize I
understand but um so but that's why I'd like to if possible to move on from this discussion right now uh go on to some other items on our agenda sure we would be more than happy to talk about it again later okay and if you could just
bring up the uh the district map all right so this is the the actual map of of that um West Chum Neighborhood Center District um and and again you'll see that 500 feet west of George Ryder Road
and 800 ft east of Barnhill Road so it's all it's pretty much all the properties to the north of it and the properties to the south of it thank you Tommy thank you Mr chairman uh could we get copies of those uh built out
plans absolutely yeah the division the visualization en visioning yeah yeah yes absolutely thank you right good question all right I I thank you um and we will plow through this material just reach out to the Community Development staff
on when you're going to uh look for right more feedback from us and I'll be happy to stop by anytime great thank you so much thank you and I'll excuse me I'll just note that it might be as as early as Thursday day after tomorrow yes correct we need to
work our calendar a little bit but I think this is significant enough and important enough that I think we'd like to get a vote undertaken and support or against and so my guess is it would probably be Thursday uh between 1:30 and 3:30 Jill please yeah um are did you want to
report the planning board's Vote or did you already do that pardon me the planning board's report from last night they took a vote uh yes it was unanimous approval so it was 6 Z in favor of both articles select board's going to hear this tonight yes yes I'll be uh both uh
Christine and I will be in front of of uh select board tonight at 5 maybe maybe members of the committee can take the opportunity to tune in and get a little overhead a little preview of good idea Thursday I'll be here okay thank you all right all right
so we move on to our next agenda item Stephen do you want to resume control or shall I just keep rolling all right we'll keep we'll keep going point of order they haven't thrown me out yet go ahead maybe this is it um if this is going to be on the agenda on
Thursday I don't know posting I think we might have missed the time 48 Hours yes you're correct yeah maybe we'll come up with another meeting but if you want me to take the helm I'm happy to I think you're doing a great job but you well yeah
but but this has been on our agenda today yeah actually it's consideration of a water warant article car's been posting it General it says vote on remaining articles yeah and that's good point that's how we've been trying to
provide enough latitude okay all right um we have um on our agenda we've got a couple of Citizen petitions we've also got an eversource easement a Boston gas easement um that you know it' be great
if we could take care of those uh but right now I think jel yeah go ahead Mr chair so this is the next one is a petition article by Mr Taylor yes and um Seth I can introduce it it's to
accept sorry um actually Seth I'm sorry I want to turn it over to you if you want to introduce your citizen petition yeah thank you uh members of the finance committee Mr chairman thank you uh Town manager and uh Mr nastro member of the
select board as pres in the audience um there are actually two um of a total of three petition articles uh two that are new from the last time I met with you which was last Tuesday and um I would like to start
with the one that is uh sort of leads into the second one and that is um would you like me to read it because I think you have them in front of you but I'll read it for the audience if you have time I me we have them we have them set would you like me
to read them for the audiences um sure benefit all right uh this one's to see if the town will accept the provisions of Massachusetts General Law chapter 6C section 3D in its entirety and in accordance with the provisions of said law will establish a fund to Aid the
elderly and disabled of the Town whose incomes is add or below low income thresholds established or accepted by the town to meet the property tax liabilities in compliance with the terms of Statute the town shall develop and deliver with the approval of the commissioner of Taxation a form that
will be mailed to each taxpayer along with their semiannual property tax bills upon which will be included the option for each taxpayer to donate any sum of money that is more than $1 to be held by the town treasur and a fund to defay the property tax liability
of lowincome elderly and low-income disabled taxpayers of the town and further the town shall establish a taxation Aid committee so-called consisting of the chairman of the board of assessors the town Treasurer and three residents of the Town who shall be
appointed by the select board said committee shall adopt rules and regulations to carry out the provisions of chapter 60 section 3D to identify recipients of such Aid provided herein and to determine the amount of Aid that is to be distributed by the treasurer
from the established fund to the intended recipients the select board the town treasur the town manager the chairman of the board of assessors and or such officials of the town of chadam with the authority to carry out the terms of this article shall do excuse me
shall do so and shall take such other actions as may be reasonably necessary or required by law that's what will be moved at town meeting um and it's relatively self explanatory it's been in statue for quite some L for some time
and had we adopted this when uh we had the opportunity to do so back in the day the individual is uh the subject of my first petition at 3:30 C Street would without doubt not be in the situation
that she finds herself today um and I would hope that by adopting this resolution we would make sure that we never again uh put one of our uh resident citizens in a situation where
we've uh forced them uh in best in essence into uh debtor's prison and taken their property from them any questions I'll be happy to answer them please Eric go ahead um so as I understand it's it's completely
voluntary so yes it is effect Y and is there is there any cost it all to the town um once it's in play is it just no the the the cost of the town would be the printing of the um forms if we
choose to include a separate form or to change the current um uh taxation form to include a little square on it and a place beside it to write number that there is going to be some incidental cost to that um other than that you're
going to have the to cost of time um in that you're going to add um responsibilities to the treasurer as the treasur will be uh a member of this committee so you'll have committee time committed to the treasurer and such
additional time as the treasurer may need to take um in um Distributing These funds or seeing that the funds are um properly committed and distributed to the worthy um people but that that comes about as a consequence of the rules and
regulations established by the committee um one of the things that I had a concern of that I think some people will um I think it's important that the Dignity of our lowincome citizens be retained to the extent possible and I don't see or I don't Envision and I
certainly would hope we wouldn't be telling them to come meet with this Committee in open meeting like this where the open meeting law was required to be for them to you know stand in public and and and ask for help I would see that this committee would be more inclined or should be more inclined
under the rules and regulations that it creates to send a member of the committee out to people that were identified by the treasurer the town Treasurer knows who's having trouble paying their taxes they know who's in danger of being in tax title and there's no reason why a member of this committee
couldn't go out and knock on their door and say look we have an opportunity to help you tell us what you need I also don't see that this necessarily would include paying everybody's uh complete tax bill the people that we have over at the Anchorage we require them to pay I
believe onethird of their um income for their the housing that we provide over there if that's the threshold and we look at these people and say you know what's what's your annual income can you we we'd like to see you paying a third of that to his taxes and your tax burden
is an extra $2,000 beyond that let us cover the $2,000 um to work jointly with the taxpayers to to make it affordable for them to be able to pay their taxes Seth I know that there's some questions up here and think Stephen you had one I
have two oh you have two okay uh the first is to the town manager Jill I guess just globally what's your view of the administrative nature of this and encouragements impediments it seems pretty clean but i' I'd welcome your view
please I I don't really have any um any thoughts on it only because with any c petition it doesn't really give us time to really think out um what can be done I think anything that can be done to help taxpayers that uh complies with
either the mass do or Mass General law is certainly admirable but again with a citizen petition it doesn't really give us time to really put a lot of details into the type of program to offer that makes sense Seth are there models obviously this is being done in other
communities I think we's doing it well let me just finish my question please are there models for kind of the guidelines and the rules that these various committees and these V other communities have adopted is there something that looks like exhibit a that would typically fill the roles of
determining your own rules Etc I don't have specific knowledge that I know that the town of well fleet has a program um and I have to believe it's this program um Michael Westgate published that in the Chronicle saying that weal LE has a
program to help the low income taxpayers this is the only program that I know that's available um in chapter 60 that provides that opportunity to towns um there can be no question that there are towns that have already established
these committees and have a set of guidelines and it would certainly be incumbent upon the committee when they were organized to reach out and uh collect organizing uh materials and then look at what they see best fits the town but I
would see that as a obligation of the committee once it's seated okay I would I think that makes sense thank do other questions finance committee members anybody online doesn't look like it all right um I mean I think that this is
something I believe you're presenting the board SEL board pardon me tonight yeah I'm with the I didn't get a invitation but I'll be at the meeting tonight we'll see whether they want to hear from me or not okay okay all right appreciate it um
I don't think we're ready to act on this yet but we we can act on it fairly quickly once it yeah I would just I would I guess I observe if there's if there's not a scheduled presentation of the select board tonight we'll have the opportunity to pick this up on Thursday or well not not on Thursday next week
yeah I think until the select board has a has at least a presentation on the form which is new well once again Thursday we we're addressing warrant articles and this is potentially a understood understood is this often the case we may have to have a
meeting yeah after the warrant goes to print Joan the select board's meeting tonight on this Joan thank you Mr chair I'm just wondering is this the only procedure that that's already in effect
that that we could use for this kind of alleviation of the tax burden this one uh particular General law this is the one that I found that answers the question of our um that I identified right away as the the problem
in the immediate instance um have I done an exhaustive search of mgl no ma'am I haven't um I know that having paed through chapter 60 this is what's available there other than what we've already adopted which uh was adopted
back in either 2017 and 2018 that allows for tax title to be paid um with a reduced interest amount provided only that 25% down payment is save um is processed initially and that the entire
balance is wiped out within 5 years it allows the 16% interest to be reduced during the pendency of the payoff provided that uh 25% lump is upfront and then again you only have 5 years to pay
off the balance we adopted that already as a bylaw back in either 7 or 18 and it's on our books those are the two that I'm aware of and and this is one that is being proposed by me this year so it wasn't picked up before that's what I'm
aware of in chapter 60 okay my only question to the committee would be uh is it time to step forward with making a recommendation like this or should we study to see if there are other avenues that we could consider before deciding
this were the best one and I don't know how much time we have I appreciate that to make that estimation we also have thank you Mr Taylor slman n Castro would like to speak on this thank you Mr chairman I just wanted to comment on the process for this evening we're closing the warrant
tonight and this is on our agenda we will allow public comment I'm not the chair but Mr Taylor obviously will have an opportunity to speak to it because we have not heard I think you unveiled the idea of it a couple weeks ago I did um and so um I'm hoping that the select
board is going to make a recommendation tonight and not leave it for a recommendation from the floor um I'll just say individually speaking for myself I kind of like the idea um I think we'll have a little more discussion tonight um and as as Seth
said back in 2017 or 18 I think we were both on the board together at the time we were trying to address a particular circumstance involving a parcel um on another Street and uh we discovered um this particular the this other um tool and we put a bylaw forward
and I think it seemed to have worked in that particular case so this may be another opportunity I wasn't aware that it existed until Mr Taylor brought it forward so I'm hoping we're going to resolve this tonight at least at the select board level and you may recall that other property was on Stony Hill
Road okay no appreciate it thank you Dean um I think there is a did you want to also address your other petition article yes if there's nothing further on this one and again um for um the the committee's information um this is going
forward as a bylaw um and the next one it it doesn't specifically say that in here but it it would be adopted and become a bylaw whenever you move to adopt and accept provisions of Massachusetts General law because it's a
a part part of Massachusetts General law we adopt it and it gets folded into our bylaws in all circumstances where it's a bylaw that is being Advanced by town meeting it must be reviewed by the attorney general and
the Attorney General will speak to the legality of it I think that's very important for us to understand because that is the legal opinion that matters right and and I think if we are ever going to air on a question of whether
we're doing something that conforms with Massachusetts law or not the opinion we should allow to be the controlling one is that that is given to us by the attorney general and I don't think as a although I don't wish
to speak for any member of the committee although one can consider the advice of Town Council in an instance where a decision is going to be rendered by the attorney general and this has happened previously when Mr Gilmore was Town
Council on a number of occasions he opin that something was contrary to law it got to the AG and they were approved so again if it's something that you think is going to help us as a town or Advance our welfare our general welfare um I
think it's more important for us to look at that and let the AG tell us whether or not we should or shouldn't do it personal opinion s you you you're the item I was referring to is you have a proposal for report of tax title accounts pardon you have a proposal for
report of tax title accounts and free cash yes yes um that's the second one if we're done with this one yes right well actually the third one yep uh the first one was 330 C the street understand the second one we just talked about the third one um is it's lengthy I don't
think I'm not going to I'm going to I'm going to summarize too too lengthy um in essence it asks the town Treasurer um to get up at town meeting and tell the voters then present um what the status of tax title is how much money we've got
sitting in free cash at that time and then to provide a full report of this um lowincome tax account that I believe will be passed tonight or when we get to town meeting I think that the select will approve it I think it'll get on the
warrant I think it'll be approved um and this um petition assumes and contemplates that we have that account so that the treasurer will give us tax title
information um free cash information and all of the detailed information about the low-income tax account in essence how much money came in um how much money was dispersed and what the balance is that's remaining in the account and then once the taxpayers and the voters of
town who are more importantly the voters who then sitting in town meeting any voter then present at town meeting May move to transfer any amount of free cash then
available as stated by the treasurer being more than a dollar and no more than the total amount of free cash available into this lowincome tax account and the purpose of that and the purpose of this proposal is to either
jumpstart the account so that we can get ahead of it if our original contributions are low or more appropriately if we find that um we've we've received $10,000 into the account
and the treasur anticipates that we're going to need $112,000 next year um but we only have 10,000 in the account that a that a voter could stand up and say I moveed to transfer $2,000 from TR free cash into this account in order to reach
the balance that we as voters will have been provided at town meeting so that we can meet the needs of the lowincome um senior taxpayers and the disabled lowincome taxpayers thank you Seth could uh Seth could you just please kind of
repeat the waterfall there I I get the presentation of the numbers and all that kind of stuff but the the mechanic of mechanics mechanics are that at town meeting well prior to town meeting that the um treasur will collect the information yeah know I got all I got all the information part the presentation of the
information I'm curious about what's going to be happening at town meeting after the treasurer gives the summary report a a after town meeting and that information has been received by the taxpayers let's not say that the voters because that's who's there the voters
any voter then present May stand at town meeting and move to transfer an amount of money that is more than a dollar but less than the total of free cash available into this lowincome uh and dis this lowincome
senior and disabled tax account basically providing the opportunity for the voters then president town meeting to make sure that there's enough money in this account in order to meet the tax needs of the disabled senior low-income
people understood so so effectively we'd be granting a first lean on free cash to this mechanism at town meeting is how I'm hearing it yes okay this would come and it says in the bottom of it that this would be considered before any um
attachments or uses or contemplations of use of free cash would happen before that um I've the town manager and you folks know in the last 10 years we haven't had free cash less than $10 million uh no I'm sorry $2 million this year we happen to have 11 million the
entire tax title account right now of the town of chadam would be cleared for uh a little over half a million dollars and it's important to note that one single account has an outstanding balance of like
$230,000 so of the other 19 accounts that are in tax title they total about $200,000 okay thank you Seth we've got other questions up here Tracy just a question in terms of the amount of what is in the free cash that
would be reported would be less the amount that the town is then also voting on for capital projects does that make sense well no no I understand your question um the
board of selectman and the town manager would know before before they go to the budget how much money is in free cash they they know that before they come to every town meeting they know that before they prepare the budget so they're going to be sitting there as they're PR as the town manager
is preparing her budget knowing how many millions of dollars are out sitting in free cash and is going to be able to report that it will be reported to the people at town meeting and any other um
subordinate uses of free cash cash would be there proposed in other articles in other words if like this time we're proposing to take I don't know how many millions of dollars for the senior center that would be sitting there saying okay if we compromise this
account prior to getting to that then that means we're going to have to raise money from the levy to cover whatever we took out of free cash that there a follow-up question yeah so if I'm understanding this correctly I could not pay my taxes for 5
years go into tax title go to town meeting and move that my taxes be paid by the town no yeah no yeah no you said any citizen no you move no you move that this money be transferred into the account
that dis is distributed by this committee based on rules that they set up and this is not going to be a place where somebody can say I'm going to be a scoff law who's going to walk into this committee and and have an income I don't
know who has a $250,000 outstanding tax bill well the the one that's of a quarter of a million dollars right now I think those people are unknown I think that it says uh The Heirs of some kahoun and Persons Unknown um there's like half
a dozen of these tax leans that are identified against Persons Unknown because historically they've they've been lost in The Ether somebody forgot that somebody died and left property somebody somebody on line has a question
Barbara yes thank you Mr chair so Seth um getting back to the waterfall Thing Once these two articles or article two and three have passed then there's a committee and if one of these tax people who haven't paid their taxes then would
have to apply to the committee and be considered and their circumstances weighed by the committee and the committee decides whether or not we're going to pay the taxes out of free cash no it wouldn't be out of free cash it would be money that's in this account because the money would move from free
cash into this account and money would over only come out of this account according to the rules set up by this committee to meet the demands of only the elderly and disabled low-income persons under um chapter 60 section 3D
the only people who can have their taxes any Rel Bel under this uh bylaw or under this statute as it exists right now they have to be elderly or disabled and lwi income so and they would have to apply
to the committee corre it wouldn't just automatic they have apply there would have to be a mechanism for them to come before the committee right thank you Eric U thanks uh just I'm I'm generally supportive of the the the previous
petition article you brought up of for ing the committee and the funding of that being voluntary of citizens um I think I I don't support this as a mechanism to to move money in there I think you know not the town meeting isn't capable but I think it's overly
complicated I think it could be really confusing I think it would bring things into the meeting that would then Cascade into other issues or the example of of of you know funding already being positioned for free cash to be used for for something else during that meeting and then that number gets reduced and
then that has to become you know something that comes from the levy um you know I understand what you're trying to do you're trying to populate that account and find a find a mechanism to do that but um I think it's not the in my opinion the right way to do it from the from the
floor right thank you others thank you Mr chair um I'd agree with what Eric just said um I'm supportive of the previous article and the adoption of that uh General law I think that makes sense it's a good way
to to help folks in our community um I am not not in support at all of this article I think from a procedural stpoint it sounds like a nightmare to me and um so I wouldn't be as supportive of this but I am supportive of the
previous Mr chairman excuse me a second other members of the committee no okay Stephen you look back your were well I I I agree with Eric I'm supportive of the the idea of the first one and kind of the altruistic nature of of that I think the complexity of this at least for me
now on relatively short notice um is is a bit too much a little daunting okay right any Mr chairman just a a quick response briefly please um it it be extremely brief the the reality is
is that the legislative body of um this town is town meeting nothing gets paid for nothing gets moved nothing gets spent but for their approval it's their money and there is nothing great than them having a saying in where their
free cash goes rather than being told where it goes and they have nothing that they can do other than vote against an article that may be a very compelling and worthy article or not all this is doing is letting them
have a say in whether or not they wish to have some small portion of the free cash that is their money put towards lowincome and disabled uh and Senior taxpayers that's not too much for a taxpayer and a voter to
figure out and it's not unreasonable for the voters to be allowed that um opportunity with their own money thank you Seth Tracy thank you Mr chair I think that the issue becomes the it's mechanically challenging because what if
one voter says I move to move this amount to free cash and then another voter has a different opinion and we get into it it it town meeting is cumbersome and long and what we want to try and do is have more people arrive at town
meeting and participate and until we have a clear idea of doing this without overburdening town meeting with more steps I can't support it right thank you Tracy um John please um briefly I I like
the um the idea of and hope the town would approve 3D the 3D mechanism that you bring forward um it's voluntary we have a very generous Community people consistently step up for people in need in this community that's been a Hallmark
of the messaging that's come out of this committee as well with respect to this for me it's just too new for me to vote for it but if the 3D mechanism passes and the committee is formed I would hope that committee would consider
as one of its things to come forward and and maybe put a petition article forward the following year to recommend moving a portion of free cash into the fund right instead of having the debate openly on meeting floor every year about
a different amount based on a variety of measures if there was a committee looking at the totality of the need year-over-year and recommending 10,000 20,000 50,000 moved into the fund that was created if 3D
passes I think that makes sense s John troan please thank you Mr chair I say this is what democracy was created for I like the creation of the chapter 60 I also like the ability of our
taxpayers as he said we don't get often enough to determine where the free cash goes or to deal with free cash as much as the voter should be able to deal with it so I like both of these and I I I would approve
both of them I would vote St uh I would just offer for the committee's consideration that now that we've heard from six of the eight members present that we move both of these things for consideration each of these things on a contingent basis subject to the select board's
recommendations second okay do that that throw that out for consideration so perhaps we take up the petition regarding mgl chapter 60 first which we all seem to have broad agreement on so moved on the board
putting it on all right so this is for the formation of the committee is that right correct all right um I don't hear any further discussion those in favor Mr Daniel in favor thank you Eric Whitley Joanne spray yes Robin
Madison yes Tommy DME yes Kristen Andre yes Tracy Shields yes John papalardo chair votes High all right uh the second item had to do with the new general bylaw report of tax title accounts free
cash Etc um so moved second you're again under the subject the same conditions Tommy yes yes all right um Tommy's moved at second anyone all right Stephen good run down the role Mr
Daniel uh no okay Mr Whitley no Joan spra yes Robert Madison no Tommy donme no Kristen Andre no Tracy Shields no John papalardo no
all right chair votes no all right thank you that was great Mr than one one more thing did you vote on the third or maybe the first petition yet we have not voted on the very first petition yet that's for the tax titling for 3:30 Cedar
Street do you want to wait till Thursday for that or did you no let's make sure we're talking about the same article please um does it have an item number on this it's 57 it is the 330 Cedar Street article if I'm not mistaken Mr D yes
3:30 um Cedar Street in order to uh vote to uh um pay the tax title for uh the 330 uh CED Street property Jill James um if if you are going to move that I would add one thing of information that you
may not have had previously please go ahead um at the time my last meeting um I was unaware until the very close of the meeting that Town Council had ruled the thing uh to be a violation of the Massachusetts
Constitution subsequently um and because the uh chairman of the the board during that meeting um didn't want to entertain a a dialogue between me and Town Council relative to his legal finding um I was
unable to have that discussion with Town Council at the time I subsequently called uh Town manager and I had a extensive conversation with Town manager relative to uh my concerns about town manager's ruling and I explained in some
detail what those concerns were and cited specific um legal standards that I believe would be sufficient to show that there was an error in town council's finding I had hoped Town Council would have an opportunity to talk to me he has
not um I have considerable legal documentation I'm not going to boy you with it but again um I haven't heard that he's um changed his opinion or that he's provided further substantive support for that opinion but I want to
say to you folks again as I said earlier this is a matter that will go before um greater authorities than we in order for them to say whether it should or shouldn't be for us especially you folks because you're not getting into any
trouble here you're making a recommendation on what you feel is appropriate to handle in this circumstance given all of the things that have gone on here that really shouldn't have because we the town were not looking after one of our uh most
vulnerable um citizens all right and I would urge Seth we've heard that y I would urge that consideration because I've heard nothing further from Town Council right appreciate it all right thank you do we want is there a motion to
approve I don't know what the article number is but the Citi meion to pay outstanding tax title Lane for 330 Cedar Street 57 number 57 I don't know that that's the article number uh Mr chair uh Town Council will be present at
tonight's select board meeting attending s that's great um but does anybody anybody want I would I would offer a counterveiling motion to table this until Thursday so we can hear what happens at the select board meeting tonight what town council's opinion is
sounds F Amer second to that second okay good uh call the roll again those in favor Mr Daniel support Eric Whitley yes Joan spray yes Roba
Madison yes Tommy Don yes Kristen andrees yes Tracy Shields yes John papalardo chair votes I all right okay so the earliest then we will
take this up on Thursday um if if I can ask for your Indulgence for another two and a half minutes maybe it'll take for us to approve the uh eversource easement for the elders garage Boston
gas National Grid easement for 60860 stage Harbor Road for the new Wastewater pumping station I suspect Tom would be appreciated appreciative huh oh oh
sorry I don't know I don't know how I got there it was a tangled thank Rob for his patience but we don't have to votee on it good afternoon again um yeah so this I don't have any uh documentation for this but it's it's basically for every source to provide power to the EV
charging stations at the ERS garage right so moved second good those in favor Mr Daniel support oh thank God uh Eric
Whitley Joan spray yes Bar Madison yes Tommy Don yes Christen Andre Shield yes John pep alardo chair vot ey all right that was the hardest one of all all right I apologize Rob
no so the the next one is just another 10 request to provide gas service to the oldmill Boatyard Pump Station which is behind the harbor Master's office currently under construction uh in turn National Grid is request ing an easement to provide the service I know it hasn't been finalized I think National Grids
easements are a little bit more regimented than ever sources so it's still in legal council back and forth trying to work out the language we're looking for a like you know approval for a license agreement in the meantime until the uh easement gets finalized at town
meeting I'll move it second thank you you're welcome and there's a second all right good I I have one quick question is this to provide um gas for a generator for standby it's for a generator and heat I believe too yes okay all right cool all right
members of the committee voting in favor Mr Daniel support Eric Whitley H yes Joan spray yes Barbara Madison yes Tommy Don yes Kristen Andre yes Tracy Shields you John Bardo and the
chair of oai good thank you I think think that does it for our agenda for now all right and we'll end up being back on several things on Thursday uh do you want any discussion on the report
for the warrant not anymore not anymore okay I thought perhaps not but no I I um I I fielded everything I got um I think you guys hopefully saw the revision I sent out on Sunday afternoon I've had a
couple of nits uh since then um so I'm kind of taking it that silence is goodness and I think we're all done so my intent is to literally take one last read through it for the 49th time and uh
send it over to the town manager's office for inclusion in the warrant with a copy to everybody who should get copied on including all of you guys figured out sorry figured out a way to take care of the graphics yeah yep send it to Kathy and make sure that
they're there okay great perfect so yeah no I think we're in good shape thank you and I really appreciate all the input Joan you had something no I just said let the presses roll yeah that would be good anything else no hearing none motion to
adjourn so moved second that's good Mr Daniel abstain I thought you might that's a terrible thing Eric whle yes Joan spray yes Rob Madison y Tommy Don yes Kristen andrees
Tracy Shields John pepalo he said yes oh thank heavens uh chair I all right we're done for now
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