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Good morning. Hi, I'm Frank Msina. Sorry, that's me. Sorry. Okay. Uh, hi, I'm Frank Msina and I welcome you to the July 15, 2025 meeting of the Chattam Historical Commission.
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not be able to provide real time access. I start to memorize these that words and repeat it in my sleep. Okay. Uh first action is a roll call. We had uh somewhat some reorganization
of new members being reappointed, but uh let me just go right through it. Uh vice chair Bob Leer here. Nancy Bar Clerk here. Stephanie Hamilton here. Sandy Porter here. Janet Tennyson here.
Robert Stevens, excuse me, Robert Stevens who's absent. Robert Wilson here. We have a situation where currently we and the chair is here. We have a quorum. Uh we have two alternates uh at the present time which will change
after Robert gets uh appointed to a full term and uh we appreciate Sandy you hanging in there and um Robert appreciate you stepping up. We still have one alternate position open. I see more people here in the audience than we've had in a long time. So, anybody
interested in joining this august board? You're welcome. The pay is really very good. Okay. All right. So, um given this current situation, all members will be participating and voting. Um just quickly, we have quite a long agenda.
It's the chair's dearest hope that we end this by 12:30 because I have to leave. Um if not, Mr. Leer will continue the meeting. In addition to uh actually 11 different
motions we have to make uh we have some new business relative to reorganization of the board and appointment of the CPC representative. So we'll hold off on that so we can get this moving rather quickly. Uh before we start relative to the agenda
just to move things even more out of order. 67 School Street, which is uh application 20 uh 2521 67 School Street, which can be heard in
accordance with chapter 158 and also in accordance with the uh Cape Cod Commission Act. um uh a contributing structure in the National Registered District. Uh after the site
visit yesterday uh with the uh design company SV Design, they have uh requested that we uh have a continuence of the application as discussed. I'm reading his his letter. As discussed, we respect respectively request continuence
of for the application of 67 school street. the August 19 hearing would work well. Uh please request please re confirm the receipt of this which I'm sure we did. So 67 School Street is going to be put on hold and uh
I'm I'm glad that the applicant is rethinking some of the uh changes being made to that uh to that structure. Okay. And we're going to go quickly. Excuse me, Frank. We just do need to vote. We do need to vote on that. Robert,
I move that the uh application for 67 School Street be continued until August 19th. August 19th. I'll second with the permission of the applicant. Okay. Second. Any questions? Any comment, members of the public?
Thank you very much. Okay, we'll take a quick roll call. Bob, yes. Nancy, yes. Stephanie, yes. Sandy, yes. Janet, yes. Robert, yes. And the chair votes yes. Okay.
Okay. Uh this is a next application is 2515 uh 70 Sears Point. This is continued from our June 17th minute. By the way, from the agenda while the applicants coming up, uh we don't have the minutes. Uh the minutes weren't distributed for
the June 17th meeting and we'll have do it at our next meeting in in in u in August. All right. Hi again. Good morning Leslie Schneburgger Schneberger
Collective for um Susan and Greg Shorton. Um Susan is online um with us today and also with me is Jamie Norcross. Um Jaime's putting together um I feel like I'm very loud. Sorry, Jamie's putting to together um a filing for ZBA um that is also including the
historic preservation incentive bylaw that was brought up at the last meeting. I don't think anyone's done this before. We're um navigating it. So, any input anyone has would certainly be appreciated since the board has put that together, created that bylaw. Um
by by the way, on the onset, I want to thank you for taking a real another look and a good hard look at it. So, uh, thank you. I'll say thank you again, but I want I get it up front so I don't forget. You're very welcome. Thank you for starting that us off that way. Um, if
you don't mind, actually, I just hand Christina handed out to you um a a rendered 3D view of the house. And if I could use that to describe the changes from between the first hearing and the second. Um, so we did talk about that the the public view of this house is
actually from the water. And um so we thought it would be helpful to look at it from that perspective. Um so changes since um the last application. Um we um we reduced the quantity of windows in the um front in the front portion of the
house. Uh there are four less windows. So at the dormer um where it used to be larger dormers, they're um single window in the dog shed area. much more tall and narrow in the proportion of of the um style of the existing original home and
original dormers. Uh and then also one less in between and um a less one less window at each um enlargement of the openings on the ground level on either side of the entry door. Um also just
addressing uh the window fenestration itself and the um the lights and the configurations of the muttons. Um we did not change that from the last filing but they they had been actually quite intentional in that um the upper sash is
still four over three which is exactly the proportion and size of the existing homes uh windows. So that has remained um the massing that the largest change since last time is the massing of the center of the new portion of the home.
um listening to the guidelines and the requests to make sure that you can tell the difference between each portion of the structure, each generation of additions. Um we reduced um both the gable portion of the house that you the new gable portion um has come in. Uh the
ceilings have come down. So the plate has come down. Um and then we stepped back slightly. So that um there's a clear distinction between garage this portion of the house and then the original home. Um it what what that also
did and what we worked very hard to do was um it brought the ridge down. Um so the highest point of the house is both the actually they match the garage and the front original home. Um now the current new proposed addition is two
feet lower than both of those. Um at the entry uh the new entry we wanted to make sure it was subsidiary to the main entry that you see here. Um so we took away the pediment, the column, um the sidelights to really make it a
secondary door to the house and a secondary entrance to the house subservient to the front. Um the additional sheet that I handed out to you is um a an altered rear elevation slightly altered. Um the dormer is extended further at the back. Um the the
owners really did there there there's a push and pull between floor plan and and spaces and um this really does help a lot for the floor plan on the interior and so we are hoping that this could be considered as well. Um and with that and
with a large agenda um I will stop and take questions. Well um again uh I appreciate your understanding in terms of you know what where we were coming from. Uh this is a extremely it's
a lovely house and a beautiful spot. One of the best spots in Chadam from a street not the streetscape from a seascape for those of us who sail past it. Um, and I understand the changes that you had to make on the rear, you know, relative to the use of
the property and but uh the fact that you you know, you separated the original original house, if you will, from the from the additions and and I gather you were able to make the transition from, you know, from one one part of house to the other. Yes. And that that's
good and I and I do appreciate that work. Um, you know, my only comment is that, uh, your work is not going to get done for another year. So, our preservation awards are not into two years. Anyway, we have a lot a long lifetime
impatience. No, nice job. So, anyway, I that's that's my board and it's uh let's go around, Robert. Yeah, I looked at all the five major changes that you uh have done and I think it's remarkable. We've done a
great job to accommodate some of the suggestions and and uh we want to bring forward the importance of uh making the iconic house kind of the centerpiece. Thank you very much. I think it's great. Bob,
was that close? Um Leslie, I think I missed it. Won't you describe the changes you made in the um uh west elevation from the prior last week until the 10th? Um on the west elevation uh there were
two previously what you had um the dormers were separated uh so I suppose the one large one dormer running the back length of the house had a separation and we've taken that out okay I I see it now right
I I agree with uh RP here that um done a made some very positive changes compared to uh what we saw the last time and I can certainly go along with I do have my common pet peeve. We have a number of pages which have the same denominations
as on them as an A2 and A1 or a A2.1. There's two of those and that makes it really hard when you're sculpting through all these pages. You had a great job the first time putting the proposed and the existing proposed on the same page, but then it got confused. Confusing, that's all.
Makes us turn pages. Sorry for the work. don't have enough space to spread this all around. Nancy, um I'm uh just want to echo being extremely appreciative of the your willingness, the owner's willingness for
these changes. I have no problem with these plans. I think um it looks really nice and we can see the historic structure. Still losing a little bit of of it, but that is um that happens. And I also appreciate the final plan you brought this morning that shows the 3D
view. I think it's all really helpful. Great. Thank you, Janet. I think it looks great. Um, thank you. It looks wonderful. Thanks, Janet. I can't believe all the wonderful changes you made. You really listen to us. Thank you very much. I have no
problem. Great, Sandy. Thank you, Sandy. Nicely done. Thanks for saving it and u for making the effort to take into consideration all our changes to you and the owners. The owners deserve a lot of
appreciation. I especially like that the kayaks are going to have their own place. Important. I mean usually usually we get wine rooms kayak room and this is this is a this is a house that's going to be vacationed
in. Well, so I should say water recreation is very very important to the family. They they are Boers in all senses and actually to to be honest um this is going to be their retirement home. Um so that's the main driver of these changes. Well, that's that's nice. Well, I mean
it is and the we're very pleased with them and the investment they're making on this particular property which is fortunately a number of us have spent some time there and with the previous owners the ERS and I know even with the letters we've gotten which are supportive of it. So uh good luck on
that. All right I think we've got a consensus here so we could proceed. Uh Robert, why don't you take it from here? Just preliminary question. We did find this property historically. We did find this property historically
significant when they came before us for the garage. Right. So, we're don't need to repeat that. Yes. Activity. Refirm. Reaffirm it. Yes. Okay. Um, I reaffirm I move that the historical commission reaffirm its pre previous finding that the property
located at 70 Sears Point is historically significant because it's an hole in part 75 years old or more and is associated with one or more p historical persons or events in the town and possesses architectural value in terms of its period, style and method of
construction. Second. Second by Janet. Thank you very much. Any other comments from the public for or against the application? Do we have any letters? Two letters. Oh, we do have one. Yeah, that's right. Yeah,
another one. It's a long one. Say again. They can be summarized that they are both in support. Um, but they should be noted into the record. Unfortunately, we got to read them.
Yes, boss. Yes. Yes. Okay. Quickly, we have two letters that are highly supportive of the plans for this house. One is from Ellen Ecker Ogden, dated June 9th, 2025, and she is the daughter
of uh the owner and builders uh or the the owners that um had it, former owners. Thank you. And the second letter is from Alfred Scoffield on behalf of himself and Tony Guthrie who are the realtors um on the property when it was sold.
Very good. Okay. Uh no member for the public wish to speak for or against it. Roll call. Bob, yes. Nancy, yes. Seth, yes. Sandy, yes. Janet, yes. Robert, Nichol, yes. Okay, one more.
I also move the Chattam Historical Society find that not society commission finds the proposed work to be done dated July 9th and July 10th, 2025 will not materially diminish the historic significance of the building and therefore the commission does not impose an delay.
I'll second. Okay, roll call. Bob, yes. Nancy, yes. Stephanie, yes. Sandy, yes. Janet, yes. Robert, yes. J Vet, thank you very much and please convey to the owners our
appreciation for their understanding and u thank you very much. I definitely will. Thank you everyone. Bye now. Okay. All right. We're going to move quickly into uh a number of applications.
Hopefully we're not going to have problems with connections. 25 01861 elephants ele okay guys
yeah right lane uh this is a shed uh this would be heard under chapter 158 and also as a be a contributing structure in the national registered district application is comes under the category it's easier to ask forgiveness
than it is to ask permission um So, uh this is a fishing shanty um in rather quite an historic area of uh of the old village. And um the applicant,
are you here? Yes. Uh this oid from Mudo Construction. Yeah. Do me a favor. Could you just speak up? Yep. Hold on a second. Let me get this off of How's that? That better? Uh, better, but
I'll have to live with it. Go ahead. Give me a second here. I'm going to take it off Bluetooth. Can you guys hear? How's that? Okay. Better. Just quickly tell us what you did or
what you want to do. Well, on this shed in particular, I think the homeowner had had something done with the closing in a window. We're just doing repairs on the roof portion of this. Oh, you're not the owner. No, the the owner. I'm I'm the
applicant. We we had uh we had applied for the permit. No, the owner. I just messaged him. He said he's up, but now that's um Kyle Gold. All right. Well, we don't have to belabor the point. Uh for the members of the public, what happened here is that
there was a change made to a window in the shed which was removed without approval. And at this particular point, I you know, my opinion unfortunate. I quite honestly if we would have done
it the first time would have told him put a shade in uh rather than removing the window to change it. But uh here's it's where we are. So, um, anybody have any any issues or problems? Sandy? No.
Steph Janet? No. He didn't know that he had to do come for approval. I didn't know the gun was loaded. He didn't know. But that's not an excuse. Yes, Nancy. Um, there is a letter. Do you want me to read it? A short letter. Yes. Quickly.
Um, it's from Robert Valo at 47 Lane. Dear Chattam Historical Commission, dated July 14th. We have reviewed the shed window removal at 61 Alphimits Lane with Kyle Gould and we completely support the project and the work that has been done. I failed to see any
historic element of this mid 20th century shed and I'm frankly surprised we are even having this conversation. Well, obviously I second desperately disagree with the uh writer Mr. Robert Valoo. Um, it is historic and
uh has a lot of history in it, but uh neither here nor there. So, I think we have a consensus on how to proceed. Bob, can you help us? I hope so. Uh, I move that the historical commission finds that the shed located at 61 Lane is historically significant
because it is an hole in part 75 years old or more and is located within a historic district. Second. Second. Anybody wish to speak for or against it? All right, seeing none. Bob, yes.
Nancy, yes. Steph, yes. Sandy, yes. Janet, yes. Robert, yes. Chair votes. One more. Historical commission also finds the proposed work to be done. Dude,
well, proposed work to be done which has already been completed uh will not materially diminish the historical significance of the building or the shed and therefore the commission does not impose a demolition delay. Second. Okay, any comments?
Roll call. Bob, yes. Nancy, yes. Steph, yes. Sandy, yes. Janet, yes. Robert Nicholas, thank you very much. Excuse me. I just like to thank the board. Oh, sorry. Excuse me. It was also um
advertised under the um Cape Cod Commission by law because they were touching they redid the interior. So, it triggered that. So, we just need to vote on that also because it is a contributing structure in the old village. It was advertised under both bylaws.
Did we just do both? No, we just do. Sorry. Uh just so the public knows what's going on here. Even though one of his his friends wrote a letter that's not historic, this building is a contributing structure in the National Register District. And on top of it,
because of the changes he made without permission, he exceeded the 25% threshold for referral to the Cape Cod Commission. I don't think anybody's in the mood to refer this to the Cape Cod Commission, but we have to do a little uh homework here. All right, Bob.
I also move the Chattam Historical Commission finds that the shed located at 61TZ Lane is a contributing structure in the National Historic Register District. And the commission finds that the materials presented this date show that showing that the proposed alterations do not constitute a
substantial alteration to a contributing structure located in the National Retoistoric Register District and therefore refil to the referral to the Cape Cod Commission for review is not necessary. A second. Second. Thank you very much. Uh, roll call. Bob,
yes. Nancy, yes. Steph, yes. Sandy, yes. Janet, yes. Robert and Niche Voches, I did say. Thank you very much. Thank you. So, just want to confirm we can move forward with roof repairs now.
Good. You will receive a determination um soon, a signed determination, and then once you're through the building permitting process, you're more than welcome to proceed. Excellent. Thank you so much. Okay.
504 uh Stony Hill Road, 2519. Uh this is to be heard in accordance with chapter 158. This here is a uh a structure which falls under the category Why are we here?
And it's u this commission has tried uh to lessen the workload for the public as well as ourselves in the town and of course that what an administrative
review process and uh we're made pro making progress on it but we're not there yet. as a result, you're here. So, why don't you introduce yourself and tell us what we're doing? Uh, Ken Murphy. I am representing the owners of 504 um Stony Hill. Uh, thank
you, Mr. Chairman, and the board. Uh, my clients are here before you because they want to update the home that has been, of course, um, needs some updating with windows and flatboards and, uh, updating their roof. Um uh as you can probably tell from the site visit, um some of the
windows were dated and they just wanted more a more efficient home and um do a few little updates to bring it back to uh more efficient place to stay in. All right. Very simply, this is a
property which is there is no form B on the property which means our preservation consultant did not feel it was necessary u that we do a review or correct located as a historical significant property. So it's kind of
straightforward except that it it crosses the threshold in relative to the age and the changes which were being made which effectively is effectively replacing the windows and doors updating it. Correct. But it looks like everything you're replacing will be replaced as is.
Uh yeah. I mean, of course, obviously, uh windows are probably a tad bigger in certain areas, maybe six inches because of, you know, the time of those windows were built, and a lot of the windows were not different header heights. So now we want to line everything up to make it
more um uh All right. Uh anybody have any comments or concerns? All right. Go ahead. Um, we do have a letter from Steven Nickerson uh at 785 Old Harbor Road. Dear
commission members, I grew up in this house built my by my father. My six siblings and I anticipated that when the property was sold, it would likely be considered for demolition. The Harwoods, however, have indicated that they do not intend to pursue that option and instead plan to upgrade and maintain the
existing structure. I feel extremely fortunate that the Harwoods are willing to save this building and allow it to exist for future generations. My siblings, my mother and father would agree. My hope is that the commission members will feel the same way and fully support this project.
Thank you. I'd like to add one more thing. If the my clients would like to add, excuse me, home owners like to add uh collabor uh shutters black that would just I don't think that'll be a problem, right? Just want to inform. Okay, Bob.
I guess I'd like to know if we have a consensus whether it's historically significant or not. Yeah, I guess that's the issue. Um, does anybody feel strongly that this is historically significant? I think the the only criteria it meets
is 75 years old unless you count um Steve Nickerson as a famous person personage in Chadam, which I would be willing to do. Should we give him another 25 years before we uh I mean he's still around, you know. Well, yeah, he's on historical society,
too. So, so Joe Nickerson was in fact a pretty pretty well-known Yes. person in town. And and I my point would be that it is on the cusp of our 75 years. So, nothing feels like intensely
historically significant. It's a well-built home that in another 20 year, you know, once we get a little bit over the cusp, there's nothing that makes this home not significant. It's not, you know, it's a nice home of its periods. So, I have no problems with these plans.
Um, however, I don't think that we should just say because it's so close and, you know, that it's not historically significant. I think at some point these homes we're going to have to figure out what historical significance is. And Joe Nickerson in fact of his time period was
a very well-known historian of our town. That's my point. Robert, I'll go either way. Yeah, I uh looked at the house and I think the point is well made about Joe Nickerson. However, the architectural
style doesn't really jump out at me as historic. Okay. I agree that um because of the years it's been built, it should be considered historic, but we can still pass it.
All right, we can we can take that motion. I I have I mean I'm on the edge quite honestly because of the Nichson family connection and and the history of it. Uh and I think the changes that are made, you know, are not going to affect it. You know this this takes us to our
problem which is on our agenda of 75 years or not 75 years and I guess the point is from the members of the public 75 years doesn't seem like a lot but it is a lot when you consider the architecture of the town and the history. So why don't we proceed Bob and
let's see what the membership says. Okay. I move that the Chattam Historical Commission finds that the building located at 504 Stony Hill Road is historically significant because it is in whole or in part 75 years old or more
and it is associated with one or more historical persons or events in the social and economic history of the town and possesses architectural value in terms of period and style. I'll second. Second. Okay. Any other comments?
All right, going to take a quick roll call. Bob, yes. Nancy, yes. Steph, yes. Sandy, yes. Janet, yes. Robert, no. And the chair votes yes. Okay, favor. All right, Bob.
Uh, Chadam Historical Commission also finds the proposed work to be done dated, which I'm looking for. Well, not significantly. Got a date on it. June 12th, 2025. Got it. Will not materially diminish the historic significance of the building
and therefore the commission does not impose a demolition delay. Second. Okay. Second. Any other comments? Bob? Yes. Nancy? Yes. Steph? Yes. Sandy? Yes. Janet? Yes. Robert? Yes.
And chair votes? Yes. Relative. We say it's it's worthy and but you're not making a mess of it. And uh thank you very much. M Mr. Nichson did add a a garage over the time, so we thought that would probably Okay. significant.
Excellent. Thank you so much. You're welcome. Have a good day. First time here, right? Nope. Many times before. Okay. 2020. You came by to see 101 old mail for the old room. The fireplace. Old mill. All right. Now I remember.
Right. Frank, can I make a quick comment? Frank. Frank. Sorry. Um, I would just like to thank getting the copy of the building permit in our packet. I thought that was really helpful and you know I I think they don't exist for a lot of the
older homes, but think seeing that evolution of the house in that building permit was really helpful to me. Yeah, there was some research that needed to be done. There was some skewed dates and stuff. So, well, it was interesting to see the building permit and who's who authorized it. It was the select person.
There was no there was no community development department back then, right? It was Hey, you you met the selectman. You may have met him in the squires and I don't mean she didn't talk about that. Okay, different time. Have a good day. Thank you. All right, here we go. Um
2520 uh 9 Chat Chat Harbor Lane. Got to remind remember remember what this is. This is a home small addition. Sorry, there's small additional. Yeah, this is a home again where there's
no form B on a property not in the National Register District. It is on the no list, which means our our preservation when he did the preservation consult when he did it did not think it was uh
it was worthy of listing. And the application quite honestly is for minor addition in the back. just introduce yourself and then give us a quick overview from your perspective. Yeah, Thomas Moore from Moore Home Design in Brewster, uh, representing Deb
and Tim Shalaba. Uh, and there we're looking to put a small addition on the back to expand their kitchen. You know, the original house here, which was the on the left side of this front elevation, was 1947, I believe. So, it puts that threshold at 78 years.
There was an addition on the right that was done in 2014 2015. Um, you know, again, we're looking to do a little addition on the back. You won't see it from the front. So, be happy to answer any questions you might have. Very good. You know, I'm always amazed
when I see these applications and compare it with an application we just had, you know, where somebody's putting a roof for their kayaks and and these people want to just expand the kitchen and and it's it's interesting what Chadam is becoming or has become.
Anyway, here we are. Okay. Uh I have no problem with it. I don't know about anybody else. Uh how do we feel, Robert? Yep. Uh I've uh Robert, he's Bob. Okay, good. That's great. I got it. The
uh I did visit the property and uh I um I feel it's a nicel looking property 1947 very nice views around there and close to the beach, but I don't find the architectural uh style to be historically significant.
Thank you very much, Bob. I agree with RP. Nancy, I agree. Janna, I agree. Steph, I agree. Sandy, I agree. All right. Okay. Uh, we'll take a quick
roll call. Bob, I move that the Chattam Historical Commission find that the building located at 50, where were we? Sorry. Nine of Chattam. Nine. Chat Harbor is not historically
significant because it does not meet any of the definitional criteria in section 158-2A, B, or C of the bylaw. Therefore, the commission does not impose a demolition delay. Second. Okay. Any member of the public wish to speak
for or against it? Bob, yes. Nancy, yes. Steph, yes. Sandy, yes. Janet, yes. Robert, yes. Chair Vess. Okay. Thank you very much.
Thank you very much. Did we do Oh, okay. Right. We You combined it. I got you. All right. You threw me on that one. All right. Um I'm going to exhale for a minute. We seem to have cleared the room.
Next application. Um, we're going to just get this out of the way quickly. Uh, 2524 and 2525 47 and 53 Little Beach Road. Uh, Mr. Riley, are you with us, sir?
And in comes Mr. Riley. We'll do 47 first. We have to do them separately, William. Well, the uh last time we were here with a different applicant. 47 was found to be not historically
significant. I'm assuming that that hasn't changed. So, okay. Again, from the public's point of view, these properties are there's no form B, not in the National Regist. And again, our preservation consultant
concurring concurring with Mr. Riley that these properties are not uh rare event, historically significant. Um, this is a part of Chadam which is changing dramatically and maybe it's what the future holds that everything
gots to move up 10 to 12 feet to allow the water to go underneath and out. Um, we'll see what mother nature has in store for it, especially this side of this part of town which is extremely vulnerable. Um, and that whole area is
being raised kind of looks like North Carolina. Uh the other things well you know evidence from the pictures from the last hurricane down in Florida. The homes that were elevated were fine. All the
other homes were destroyed. So right and it it puts pressure on from a historical preservation point of view but that's a fact of life. FEMA rules. All right. Uh any comments or questions? I think we might have consensus here.
I do. I just have I just a a process question. When we were at the site visit, somebody had mentioned that this has been before us before. I think it was before I rejoined. Is that correct? What? But it doesn't say that it was before the commission. So I just wondered could you summarize
because I know that you know you indicated well we already found it not historically significant little summary of what happened. So I think that was just a mistake on my part but um yes I will look into that and get you the information. No, no. I just I think it's helpful for the public to know like I usually do that, but
I'm happy to I'm happy to explain any. Okay. So, she missed it. That's two. Previously, I represented uh a former applicant uh who had owned the property for many years and and uh he had uh
designs done. He also owned 46, which is across the street from 47. Uh and uh that was found to be not historically significant also. And uh the reason that building is
different is that uh we took that application to the zoning board of appeals and they approved the new construction which is what you saw there yesterday across the street from 47. the uh
reasons which are something of a mystery to me. The zoning board of appeals had like a buyer's remorse kind of thing. We approve that. That's terrible.
So they refused. So they denied the application to modify these two buildings. And we actually went back at least twice to the zoning board and could not get approval. So,
the buildings remain the same. That owner sold them to the current owner and here we are. So, it Sorry. So, how long ago was that that the commission approved the years ago? I just found it. 2019.
Yeah. Okay. So, that's essentially expired, which is why they're back. Okay. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Any other questions? Bob, I move the Chattam Historical Commission
finds that the building located at 47 Little Beach Road is not historically significant because it does not meet any of the definitional criteria in section 158-2A, B, or C of the bylaw. Therefore, the commission does not impose a demolition delay.
Second. Okay. Any other comments? Roll call. Bob, yes. Nancy, yes. Steph, yes. Sandy, yes. Janet, yes. Robert, yes.
Chair votes, yes. Okay, next one. 2520 2525. Does anybody have any separate comments for 2525 53 versus 47? No. No. I think we could
I was gonna ask say if ask if Mr. Riley had Oh, that's same history. We could delay. It gets paid by the hour. Go ahead. I know about stuff. All right. I move that Chattam Historical Commission find that the building
located at 53 Little Beach Road is not historically significant because it does not meet any of the definitional criteria in section 158-2 A, B, or C of the bylaw. Therefore, the commission does not impose a demolition delay. Second. Okay. Any comments?
None. Thank you. Bob, yes. Nancy, yes. Steph, yes. Sandy, yes. Janet, yes. And Robert, yes. And the chair votes. Thank you very much, Bill. Thank you very much. Appreciate your time.
Um, okay. We have uh 67 school street fortunately is not with us. So 504 Old Harbor Road 220 2522
to be heard in accordance with chapter 158. This structure is uh there is a form B on the property rather imposing structure up in uh old
harbor road and uh although there is no uh not located in a national registered district. It is noted that it was determined to potentially be a resource in the National Registered District and it was
on the survey list for having been done. Uh why don't you introduce yourself, sir? Sir, my name is Patrick Ahern, architect uh representing our client and uh I agree this is a really important house.
Uh we think it's uh kind of an icon in the community and we feel very fortunate that we're able to uh be involved with this renovation and restoration of the building. If we could go to what? Page DN, which the first cover page.
It's the uh the next page on the second there. Um the one before that. This one right here. Here we go. So um I'm sure all of you are familiar with the house and um one of the things that we we looked at
carefully was as symmetrical as the house is in in the center portion it feels like this arm was removed at some time although it probably was never there and our goal is basically to match
this wing on this side of the house so it kind of completes the ensemble at the circular drive. We're also proposing to lower the burm here so the house basically gets extended slightly uh about 2 feet and that allows us to keep
the ridge height where the house is but gives us a little more volume inside the house and the house is also moving forward about 8 to 10 feet. So here to about here circular driveway stays the same where it is. Um, and as the house
moves forward, then the access to the garage underneath moves forward and gets us further away from the concom areas. Uh, and that this this hardcape then gets brought in closer, tighter to the house as the house moves more forward.
Um, so from the the streetscape, the house will essentially look the same with the addition of a matching wing from this side over on this side. So that's the the essence of what we're doing on the on the main body of the
house. If you go to a a SV, right? Again, this is a very large large parcel. Uh it's in a 40,000 square foot zone and we're about 42 uh uh twice as much over twice
as much the size of the lot. And uh so as I said the the curve linear drive will stay. This piece gets tightened up as the house moves forward and the house moves a little closer to the uh to the drive. There are some view carter for
the benefit of the butter. All of those remain. There's really no change over to uh this area. But if we could go to uh ISP this is the illustrative site illustrative site plan and this shows uh
the uh the concom lines and we're proposing a small pool and a cabana over here in new construction and then this represents the wing that replicates this wing over here.
If we go to U just P1, P2, P3, just for give some more clarity. Again, this is the the missing arm if you will. This is what the house looks like. This is the grade change. So, this is gets this gets dropped down
a little bit. If we can move it up, please. So this is the where the garage is right now. So this this wing stays the same. The house just gets moved forward. Further up, please. This is the this is the current rear of
the house. And what we're proposing is to introduce a curved porch between these two wings. There would be French doors here and French doors here. The curve linear porch with a deck up above. The massing and and all of this stays the same. The chimneys stay the same,
which are quite nice. That helps define the the center portion of the house. And uh if we could go to bear with me a second before [Music] let's go to a
A1 first. All right. So, here we are. Uh this is the existing first floor and then this is the area that we are basically matching this wing on. And then this is the new open air porch
that's nestled between the existing uh wings here and here. So, that's the essence of the the changes really. It's the uh the porch. There's some glazing changes which I'll show you in a moment. And then we're basically replicating this wing. There's a single dormer here
that we're we're making into a Nantucket dormer. I'll show you that in a moment. Which then be replicated on this side. So we could go to A5. So again, these drawings are hard to follow. It was much clearer when we were on site the other day because of the way
that the house angles itself out. It's we've cut these lines and so on. So it really doesn't give you a true understanding of the reality of what's going on, but nevertheless, I'll walk you through it. So this is the uh the main body of the house, which is the main body of the house. And then here's
where this uh porch is being inserted between this wing and this wing with the deck up above. We're changing some of the glazing. Again, the obvious reasons are that the view uh and that underneath the porch
uh will be some French doors and some French doors out to the second floor deck, which will be over in here. Uh this piece here stays the same. The only difference is we're changing the glazing here from a plate glass window to uh French doors and sidelights
which would also occur here and here. These dormers stay the same. They stay the same. Stay the same. Stay the same. This dormer stays the same. This dormer stays the same. This wing stays the same. This wing stays the same. And then this is where the angle is. So there's
an existing uh Nantuckenesque dormer here that gets somewhat replicated uh over here as well. So kind of the house embraces itself. Um but essentially the massing from the
the water side is the same. The only difference is we've added the the matching wing to this side as it as it reaches over. If we go to D5. All right. That's where we were. All right. That's good. I'll go back to uh
the other one. Is it D4? Right. So again, this is a little hard to follow in real life. Uh it's much easier. Uh basically the ridge height stays the same. We're lowering the burm here about 2 feet. And that allows us to make some
adjustments to the uh to the floor floor height on the first floor, which is really low. It's like 7 feet two. Um but essentially when it's all put back together again, the house reads the same. All the trim is the same. The dormers are the same. Everything is the same.
So that's basically uh what we're doing. Very nice. Uh thank you. Sorry I couldn't make the actual site visit, but fortunately I've been in this house once or twice. Good. Previous owners. And one thing that
always I enjoyed when you came up to that house is struck 1937 there's another era you know when these kind of houses were built right all steam heat and everything else in the house was the the fence around the front of the house
it kind of like charmed it down. That's right. Broke the mass and scale down. So you're really focusing on just the middle of the house. The wings kind of go away. Hey, you saw this white this white fence, you know, and it's like, you know, like somebody had an herb garden in there or something like that. But um the house has a lot of history as
as you notice from the point of view when it was built in the 30s and then bought again, you know, by the NY family and the Nye interesting people. People ever think about Nickerson's but NYE was uh was one of the people who families in
in the in on the Cape and especially if you go to Sandwich in that area which happened to be developed before Chadam did. It's the NY family but so it's got a lot of history and I I appreciate what you've attempted to do here. Um well I
have some comments but just quickly let's go around the room. Robert, thank you. Um, I did visit the house and uh I think it's remarkable that uh you're able to uh basically preserve and enhance the the frontcape
and uh with the modifications that all seem appropriate and uh the frontcape looks uh terrific to me as proposed. I appreciate that very much. Thank you. And I I know that the uh owners have the means and and and it was an option for
them to tear the house down. And that's great. 14 foot ceilings. And I'm glad you're able to persuade them otherwise. The u the the sea seascape of the house I find to have maybe a few two windows. I always
I always say that I suppose. But uh I think in view of the uh of the overall package I wouldn't really hold it up because of that. But if the if the seaside could be scaled down in the number of windows it' be great. But it
not going to be a a deal breaker for me. Bob I think uh Mr. Wilson said too too few too or whatever windows. I believe he means to say too many windows. Uh and and I was going to say essentially the
same thing. Uh it it just almost seems like a continuous wall of windows and doors. And if it could be uh in conservation, we used to say you you made a window view window view through a clearing. You didn't just clear the all
the uh landscape in front of you. So if you can give some consideration to that, tone it down a little bit. That make me feel better. I'm not gonna make that. I mean, I think I think um the drawings are not helpful in that regard because the drawings are flat. It makes it look very linear
where you realize in the middle uh where we have that deep porch, those those those doors are way way back. So, um if we can go to even to that drawing underneath the second floor underneath porch, right? Yeah. The porch cover. Yeah. I I actually
thought of that when I was looking at it the other day that that may because that that doesn't really hide those doors if you will. Right. Right. So it's basically Right. So if we uh all these doors here are really way way back. This is out 16 feet from the face.
So they're tucked way in the shadow line and below it. So you know here we've got this uh plate glass, you know, Anderson window from 1950 something here and here. And I think having just the sidelights and the the Mullian French
doors, not just plate glass, breaks the scale down as well on those two wings here and here and here. Then the rest of it, as Frank said, you know, those wings kind of fade away even on the water side because of the angular notion. But drawing it as a as a drawing
like this with these cut lines, it I think it gives a false representation because those wings, you know, come back come back in. on the angle. So, and then up here we've already got, you know, one, two, three, four, five, six windows
here, and we're actually reducing it down to three French doors. So, when you think think about solid to void relationship, you know, it's really not terribly different. And then we have the railing, you know, which matches the railing that's already here on the house, which sets in front of that as
well. So, I think the main differential is uh and I agree with you. If it was a straight flat elevation like the house you saw early on when I first got here and it was all glass, I would agree with you that's too much. But I think in this case where we are actually underneath
this 16t deep porch, I think from the the wateride elevation, it's going to feel very different and I think more calm. I I appreciate that explanation. I I had not thought of the angle part. So if you were actually looking at it from here, you're right. You wouldn't see the whole
That's correct. Okay. Gotcha. Thank you. Thank you. U Okay. U N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N I have a question. I'm sorry I wasn't able to make the site visit or I would have asked um and it may be a silly question. A4 um
are are the windows in the basement all below grade or when you go Oh, okay. Just Okay. I just it's just the way again we cut. You're trying to show me. Okay. I was assuming that, but I wanted to make sure. I thought that would Somebody else asked that question on the site. So, yes. Yeah. No, that's that's very important.
Um, I think it's very very nicely done. Um, thank you. Thank you, Janet. I think it's very nicely done and I agree with the comments and I think when you see it in person and the way it curves around, it's not as um imposing.
The glass is not as imposing. It really isn't. I think you've done a great job. Thank you very Thank you very much. Thank you very much for explaining the windows because when we first looked at it, it was like I I understand. I know. And I I'm a chimney person. I have to thank you that nothing's happening to
the chimneys. No, that's really important. I loved exaggerated tall chimneys. Even our new houses we do, we do the same thing. That's why we call it the new old house. Dandy Patrick, nice job. Thank you very much. I like
it. The windows. I'm glad you explained the windows. Very nice. No objection. Well, very good. You know, my my understanding of the windows, too, and I I understand where you were coming from. It's just that it's, you know, they're they're French doors versus windows and
a little bit of different and but I I appreciate it the totality of what what you're doing here. It's, you know, um, we don't have this in the front of the house, you know, and those people sailing by, you know, different situation. Wave, say hi. Wave at at the house, you know. Anyway,
um, no, a nice job. And again, um, I appreciate the, uh, being in a maintain this, uh, rather historic structure and, um, we got a lot of history here and hopefully these people will, uh, continue, um, you know, to enjoy the
home. Okay, guys. Um, I think we have a an consensus of what we have and how what we have to do. Um, so any other comments? If not, we'll proceed with a motion. Bob, I move the Chattam Historical Commission
finds that the building located at 504 Old Harbor Road is historically significant because it is in whole or in part 75 years old or more. And the commission alo also finds that it is associated with one or more historical persons or events of the town of Chadam
and potes possesses architectural value or significance in terms of period, style, and method of construction. Second. All right. Any other comment? Any member of the public for against? Do we have any any correspondence with this?
No. Okay. Please come forward. Sorry. You got to go right up to the microphone. Sorry. Hello. Cindy Foster. um 475 Old Harbor Road and we'd like to say we like it.
It's beautiful. Thank you. Oh, thank you. New neighbors. Okay. Anybody else? All right. We will proceed with a motion. Bob. Yes.
Okay. Sorry. We We did it. Bob. Uh Nancy. Yes. Steph. Yes, Sandy. Yes, Janet. Yes, Robert. Yes. And the chair votes. Thank you very much, Patrick. Thank you all. Thanks very much. We
have to do developmental delay. It will be significant. I'm sorry. Develop no de the second half of the motion. Oh, okay. Sorry about that. Yeah. Historical commission also finds that
the proposed work to be done on 504 June 13, 2025 will not materially diminish the historic significance of the building and therefore the commission does not impose a demolition delay. A second.
Okay. Roll call. I'm apologize. I'm trying to move fast. Thank you, Frank. I appreciate it. Okay. Uh uh Bob, yes. Nancy, yes. Steph, yes. Sandy, yes. Janet, yes. Robert, yes. JF Oz,
thank you very much. Thank you all. There will be a 2026 Preservation Awards. Um, we'll we'll get it in. We'll get it in. Well, this one I don't know. No, we have that app. It has to be done in 2025, but
your Stage Harbor Road property really looks great. Thank you. It just But when they walked up with all of that landscaping, I said, "My god, they tore it apart and put it back together." But no, it looks really sweet. Yeah, I know. I think give it another, you know, 10 months ago
for the shingles to weather out, it'll look like it was the original antique house. No, it's not. It's a tough one. Thanks so much. And you got tough neighbors there. Yes. Trust me, I got a lot of comments as the work was being done. What did you do? What?
Anyway, got to crack the egg to make an omelette. Last but not least, 2523 149. I'm going to say it right. Cut pin cut. I got it right.
This is a property that um is not in the National Register District. And although there's no individual form B on the property, it's part of a what's called a form A, which is an area form. Uh where the property
as part of an area that was once considered to be nominated as a national register district. And actually we had tried to do that but we did not get support from the
neighbors nor some members of the commission. So it it is what it is as they say. So uh introduce yourself sir. Yes. Uh Mike Ford um attorney for the applicant. John Barker architect from
PSD. Um, you're correct that uh this is on a form A. If you read the the listing of the various properties on the form A, you'll find 149 and you'll find where the commission indicated that it was a
reproduction um constructed in 1980. Um that said um the owners uh had a picture which is the picture in the lower right hand corner here of a portion of the structure uh that was a
barn a standalone barn that um was accessory to the tennis court which has been there for 100 years. Uh that picture taken somewhere around 1924 we believe. And so um since your regulations require
the that the filing of a structure that um any portion of which is 75 years old, you clearly have jurisdiction on on this particular project. And so we filed on that basis. That said, the owners like
that original um structure. You can see if you went out for the on-site or on the picture in the upper right uh as to where that barn is now. It's kind of been swallowed up by all the improvements over the years um
surrounded it. So you it's very hard to make out, but if you've got a sharp eye, you'll see the bit of a salt box look in the back uh roof and you you can find it. And we walked around and we actually showed the uh to those that came to the
on-site some of the original peers that were uh brick peers that are still there stuck in between the concrete blocks uh that were all done in 1980 that show um the outline and the foundation of the old barn.
And so, um, this project is to, um, take all the materials off the old barn structure that they're not historic. They're all from around 1980. Um, we don't believe there's any historic exterior materials on this property, but
what they'd like to do, um, strip that porch off that's on the front and take the addition off that's on the back. So, they've got it isolated and then pick it up. And if you go to the site plan, um
not sure which number that is. It's page two of the PDF. Page two. It's very busy site plan. I apologize for that. There's a lot going on here in terms of conservation and zoning. Um you'll see where um it's to be located uh towards the tennis court.
And now rather than having um both the long sides covered with other structures, they're open and um they're keeping the the barn design u with those dormers. If you've looked at the proposed elevations
and they're going to use it as a garage, so it its use is going back to kind of a barn. Um the windows um we were able to look at that picture and the windows in that picture of the original barn were 6 over sixes and these will be six over
sixes in in in the addition. So, what we've done is is come up with something where even though we're taking off the siding and the roof because that's not historic um the u original frame structure, which we haven't seen all of
uh by any but we know there is some original beams uh involved in there and an original structure and it is the hope and desire of the owners and therefore um the architects to have that moved to that location um and redone there. So,
in essence, what we're trying to do is save the historic portion of this structure and make it more prominent and make it the lead part as you go down the hill into the property adjacent to uh the tennis court which it served many years ago um in that picture.
So, that's basically um and then a new house is kind of built around it. the rest of the structure is taken down and um there are elevations there for the rest of the house even though they're probably not really part of of your
purview. We obviously wanted to file them to show you what was happening there. Um, so, um, we think this is a project that meets not only the letter, but the spirit and intent of your demolition delay bylaw to try and identify what's
historic and figure out how to save that and make it part of the redevelopment of the project and that's what's occurring here. One thing I I did want to mention, I I mentioned it briefly on site, is um when you get into these situations
where um uh you've got um structural members that we're we're going to be trying to save as we pick up that section and move it. Uh we don't really know what we're going to find until we take things off and and
take a look. And I mentioned it to Jay Briggs that it might be a good thing that once it gets picked up and moved to the new location that before anything is done to it that we get the building commissioner out, those from the commission that want to come out and
take a look in case we've found something that needs to be replaced or there's a rotten timber or a beam or something. Everybody's had a chance to look at it and weigh in. So that we do that before we um undertake to complete it. Appreciate that because sometimes all of a sudden you get a contract. Jay thought
that was a good idea. I talked to him about it upstairs before I came down here. So, yeah, that's what the intention would be. So, to do that. So, I mean, John's here. He can run you through the entire project if you need to. Um, I know many of you came out to the site.
We're happy to do that. Um, whatever your pleasure is, Mr. Chairman. I know you were trying to get through. Um, well, that's okay. No, I appreciate that. And uh I I don't know if it is necessary quite honestly, but I would say one thing. You you're going to have a real tough job with conservation.
Yes. Um we we we realize that the there's a high bar there and we look forward to meeting it. No, I'm looking at the you know the very 50 foot 100 foot lines. Yeah. At the end of the day there'll be
less in that zero to 50 zone than there is today. So yeah, not to put the conservation case in here, but um yeah. Well, it's it is it is an issue and you know we deal with it a lot especially when you deal with historic properties which were built you know in the middle of which is all now a flood
zone. Yeah. Which we had with in the uh little beach you know it's it's a it's a problem. It's not in a velocity zone. No. No. Yeah. Anyway. Well, okay. Uh I'll go really to ask some questions on uh how
people feel about it and uh we'll start this way. Sandy. Having been out at the site visit, thank you for saving the barn. Thank the owner for saving the barn. I'd love to rent that little cottage on the property. Oh, the hen house.
Yes. Yes. Love the hen house. No problem. I also love that you're trying to save the old structure. Thank you. I think it's a good plan. I have no questions. Having seen it, been to the
site, visit. Fine. I I agree. Thank you for um saving um the original the old part of the house. The my only um regret is the loss of that rake of the roof, the salt lake salt box roof line that you can still
see in the house and it's going to be it looks like it's just going to be cut off like a normal roof. Correct. Correct. Yeah, it is. That's that's the only thing that I feel like it could have been like really reminding us of that original barn. Um, having said that, I do not would not stop the
project based on that. Is that something you could make? I don't think the way the design I don't think the design affords for it to be to remain. Um, and it trying to enter I'm on both sides with
the full It looks like there's needs to be full height that's correct entry. So I I Yeah, it is. It is though you can still see that roof line in the house. You can you can we could see it at the onset. I see. Yeah. Okay.
Prominent. I don't hear it. I can if you look at H20, you can clearly see that old barn line. Oh, okay. That's There you go. All right. Yeah, there it is. Yeah.
Yeah. And Bob, I'm fine with it. a very very inventive solution, a complicated one to save that barn. So, good job for PSD. Thank you, Robert. Yeah, I'm uh probably the only one in
the room. Uh but uh the barn seems to be swallowed up, you know, it's a classic, if you look at the old barn with a tennis court, right? It's it's a classic historic looking thing, symmetric and looks beautiful, but it's kind of been swallowed up. Yes,
it's to me on the on the on the edge of being not historically sign significant anymore because it's kind of a hodgepodge and solid up. But uh that said, I think it's been a great thing that you're saving the barn. I agree with all the members. Thank you.
All right. Anybody else? I tried to enter into my car. It's on and my car would not accept Kacha. I got so many different cars, so many different roads, never got caught.
Did you Did you put it in by typing or say the word saying? Yeah, good luck on that. I finally gave up. Oh, I did. I said, I know where that is. It's capit capes. Cap. There was a former member of the
commission, uh, Don Eggman, uh, bless him. And he he always could pronounce it. I never could get it right, but you did it today. I did it right because I I put here and I put lines cotch pin. It's the only way I could do it. Yeah. Anyway,
it did used to roll off Don's tongue. Yeah, it's interesting. I don't know the the origin of that word, Nancy. Yeah, but it must mean something. But what it means? Well, anyway, we're getting off track. Okay. Uh I think we have consensus. So,
uh, Bob, I move move the Chattam Historical Commission find that the building located at leg cramp 149 Cut Pinnickut Road, yes, is historically significant because of a
whole part 75 years old or more and it is associated with one or more historical persons or events in the town of Chattam and it possesses architectural value or significance in terms of period, style, method of construction. Okay. No comments. Uh Bob,
yes. Nancy, yes. Steph, yes. Sandy, yes. Janet, yes. Do you want a second for that? Yeah. Um I thought I did. Okay. Yeah. Robert, yes.
And the chair votes. Okay. One more. Historical Commission also finds that the proposed work to be done after I put that away. June 16th June June 16, 2025 will not materially diminish the historic significance of the building
and therefore the commission does not impose a demolition delay. A second. Any other We have any correspondence? None. Anybody wish to speak for against the application? Seeing none. Bob, yes. Nancy,
yes. Steph, yes. Sandy, yes. Janet, yes. Robert. Yes. Chair Vess, thank you very much. Sorry. Sorry to make you last, but uh Oh, that's quite all right. Boy, we're going to get congratulations to the members of the commission to put
up with me. You were so stern on that warning that you were going to disappear at 12:30 that everybody was afraid to give their full presentation and try it more often. Mike, is that because I was going to be in charge or that's right.
Nice to see you there, sir. Okay, ladies and gentlemen, congratulate yourself. Okay, we have a couple of things we have to do. Uh, okay. We just agreed the minutes. We'll get the next time we get a double
header. Um, there we go. Okay. Reorganization of the board of the the commission, I guess. Reorganization of the commission. Uh we're at that time I believe everybody
has been sworn in and uh Robert has yet to be appointed. Is that what what's for the permanent position? Yes, I believe the select men are meeting tonight on that matter and then next meeting it will be all set. And you could serve because technically
your appointment is as good by a certain date or until someone else is sworn in. So I had to ask that question. I don't want to make it not be a member. Okay. And um again, thank you again, Sandy,
for u hanging in there for another year. And uh we do need to, you know, I just want to point out is we need a couple of people, you know, to come step on board. I'm speaking to the public. There's nobody in the room anymore, but guess I'm speaking to the internet, the
internet. But uh we do have two open positions and I believe uh you know it's it's a good commission and I think we we try. We're never 100% successful. But Frank, if I'm uh not mistaken, I'm
stepping back as an alternate and RP is coming forward. Oh, okay. And Robert Stevens. So I'm the al Robert Stevens is staying on as a board member, right? Robert Stevens staying on as a board member. Okay. So I'm the alternate. You're the alternate. But not today.
You're the only alternate. So yes, we have one alternate position available. Oh, we actually you have two alternates today. No, because she's an alter. Oh, after this meeting. After this meeting, we have today we have two alternates. Okay. Because he hasn't been he hasn't had this confirmation yet.
Okay. Okay. But trust me, I was confused because I said, "All right, wait a second. If the people didn't get sworn in, we're not going to have we're not going to have a quorum. So, all right, here we go. So, um
we need to appoint a chair, vice chair, and a clerk. I I know I keep saying it, but for some reason, um in conversations with the uh the vice chair and with the boss, better known as my wife, uh you
know, I if you will have me, I will stay on for another year. There's a couple of things that I have left that I'd like to accomplish as chair. I think Bob, you what you call them? You called them ancillary or ancillary? Actually, ancillary stuff. I said, Bob, you would
like to be chair. He says, "Well, you got a lot of ancillary stuff." So, and uh and I guess my feeling is that, you know, we're we do a lot of things in addition to 158. Anyway, I'm sorry. Yes. I'd like to make a nomination that we keep the board as it is.
Oh, okay. That make it simple. Second that. All right. Any member of the public? Okay. Uh, so we're talking myself as chair, Bob is vice chair, and Nancy as
clerk. Okay. Go ahead, Bob. Vote. We are. Yes. Okay. Yes. Okay. Uh, Nancy, yes. Steph, yes. Sandy, yes. Janet, yes.
Uh, Robert, yes. And the chair votes yes. Okay, very good. The other thing we need to do, take a formal vote on is um Stephanie Hamilton is graduating after three years on the community preservation committee and I want to
thank you for your your time and your you know the the effectively what when they established the community preservation committee there's members from certain boards and commission and the historical commission is one of it. The historical commission probably one is probably the more important
representative because an allocation of funds is necessary representing historic preservation and I'd like to nominate uh and I asked Nancy to take that position. Uh she's been around the block as far as
historic preservation and I think she could do a good job. Um Nancy, yes, I'd be uh delighted. I think I can fit it into my schedule. Um, I have an interest. I would be happy to represent you. Good.
I would be happy to have somebody else take over the science program. Robert Wilson, I haven't talked to you about it yet, but anyways, I would like to maybe pass that along. We'll talk about it. We'll talk about that. All right. Very good. Uh, all right. Motion, I mean, uh, vote. Bob,
yes. Nancy, yes. Steph, yes. Sandy, yes. Janet, yes. Robert, yes. Chair vot one other thing we do from a regular auction point of view and um and I've
been making advertising it a couple of times today and that's a preservation awards. Um, we do it every other year and 2026 would be the year we do it which means we uh should start to
assemble uh applications and uh if you could put the letter together. Sure. Yes, I have quite a list of people that want to submit. So, which is different from last time. I had to kind of go out and scout when everyone else
did, but we have quite a list, which may be an issue because when we switched or when not switched, when the town of Chadam, specifically, uh, Miss Donovan, Katie Donovan, agreed that the town would absorb part of the cost, the minimal cost for the plaques. I think we
limited to six, but I have to have a conversation because I think we've got a number of really uh worthwhile applications, potential applications this year. We've had more than six before. Yes, we have. But I think they try to
make it they're trying to keep it low. But I mean, we can manage it. And I'm anyway I'll have a conversation with Katie directly and uh hopefully we'll we'll get because there I mean I'm thinking of shouldn't vote against but you know one of the projects Patrick did
on state job road came out really nice and there are a number of other ones that potentially could be recognized and my I guess I will continue I'm vice chair of the committee or chair of the committee I forget I guess I am chair right of the
committee. set of a gun. I thought I got rid of that one. And but uh Janet has agreed to to serve with me. And um you know actually it's something we should talk about when we meet as the committee is we have six members. Two from the
historical commission, two from the HBDC, two from the historical society. We always had a seven. In other words, it wouldn't be a tie. And it was an atlarge member. And the member used to
be John Whan for many years. And um so you put your thinking cap on uh if you know somebody who potentially quite honestly I thought of Ellen Briggs because she's very involved in preservations, but I know she's a busy
lady. Um but think about it. I don't want to make any decisions or it's not my decision, but if you know it would be good to get another member on the on the committee. um we able to um cloud Mr. uh
Kevin Wright's perspective. He's the chairman uh or at least not the chairman but he has absorbed a lot of the the the administrative stuff in that we hold the we hold the uh the re the presentation at the historical society and that's
worked out quite well. We used to the first one I attended we did a chat and bars in. It was attended by hundreds of people. It was you know free orves the chat bars in. So we we we kept lowering and lowering.
We never got to a cross it but uh and we had u the wayside in for a while when David Oppenheim was running it but now they changed ownership. They don't want to talk to me anyway. So uh a peanut butter and cracker.
That's right. All right. I don't think we did it, guys. Very quickly, I'm going to run through a couple of things. Um the the ZBA is meeting this Thursday at 2:00 to proceed on the evaluation of the
special permit of the West Chatam Housing Development. This is a comprehensive permit. This is a very critical meeting and you have in your packet a letter from uh and in fact it's on the agenda for correspondence from uh
Mr. uh Rick Lever and he's one of the abutters and other people who have pres has suggested an alternate configuration effectively removing those large houses are gone to
back. What the problem is is these people have all of a sudden they're going to have these three-story buildings in in their face and and they have their revised site plan number two and that's their alternate and interesting enough that one and the
other alternative which is uh rev exhibit C in your correspondence. The planning not the planning board the uh well the planning board has actually looked at it and thought it was a good idea. the uh ZBA
seems to be actively thinking about it or considering it. Uh but it's up to the ZBA. Well, it's not up to the ZBA. The ZBA can put certain conditions on an application because it's a uh 40B
housing development which bypasses a lot of the uh boards and commissions. I'm not sure what's going to happen. the uh the applicant primrose had an opportunity to change it. They didn't. They made minor changes. The
community the community house which is which was that big building on the street. They did reduce the size of it. They took the gym out, but it's still there. So, I don't know what's going to happen. I hope hope to retend myself personally, but we'll see. But anyway, that's just something you should be
aware of it. Um the second item, rules and regulation. We want to get the uh town council to give us some guidance relative to designation of historical significance. We've been unable to set a meeting up,
but uh there's an email out that um we we're requesting a date to meet. Yeah. So I haven't heard. So rather than having him come address the full board, I'm going to start it off by asking him that Bob and I, chair and vice chair
Bob, you know, meet with him just to let him know what it is we're trying to do and then once he can evaluate it, then maybe we'll have him back to discuss it before the full board. All right. Um I'm still waiting for mass historic. I
actually I I wrote a quick letter and then I realized I didn't like the letter and so luckily uh we saved it from the mailbox and so please throw that out. I'm going to rewrite it. I realized that the letter was a little too curt like
hey what are you doing? I know I say again it's okay send it. Say again. Send it. I mean we've been waiting a long time. Yeah, I know. But I, you know, you don't want to alienate them. I don't want to anniate the head of the
mass historic commission. There's some wise guy in chat and say, "Hey, hey, buddy, what's going on?" Anyway, so I I I pulled the L. Um, and she because she did that, you could eliminate the two negatives. Okay. All
right. Uh, the uh form B's, it's still on hold. We'll talk to Eric Dre soon. We're working on the same Okay. proposal. So, we're moving ahead. I won't even say demolition by neglect. I got I have to
do something about that, but we'll talk about it at another time. There's nothing much to add. Uh, last but not least, the uh boat house. I found a picture in my uh gallery of of my boat in 2006 when I first bought this
new boat. And it's a beautiful picture of my boat on it moing. at stage harbor and right behind it was the boat house before it was moved and it brought back the memory. So it it is coming back uh the pilings are being put in and it's planned in uh the fall
September October to to float it back to Cadam. Now, having said that, we took an action, this board took an action um to actually prepare a form B on the
property and Eric Dre did a draft form B. We did not submit the form B to Mass Historic because at the time the uh town really didn't want it to be listed on the National Register until you know I I
didn't it was one of those things where I you know I just said okay okay you know we backed away but now that it's and and Eric Dre also said Frank by submitting for Mass Historic in terms of eligibility as a national register building it's better if it's in the is
it you know you can't say the chat I'm building in Quincy you know so uh once it comes back or what I'd like to do is I'll talk to Katie again and I'd like to dust off that draft form B and submit it to Mass Historic and at the same time we
can discuss it as a board and determine whether we would like to submit it for a determination of eligibility of of the boat house. The other boat houses, the one in Quincy, not Quincy, the one in um oh, I can't name the one the one in
Nantucket and the one there's one on the vineyard. Uh which also I can't remember the name of the the the town it's in, but also those two boat houses are on the National Register and they're both used for upwelling or anything related
to the fish industry. Well, it's kind of interesting, you know, for Cape Cod. The other correspondence oh that you have is Sarah Cordv's comment on 67 school street. You know I I'd like to
continue that process. I think it works when we get an application in the National Register District that potentially could be referred to the Cape Cod Commission to move things along rather than have them come to us and then we say, "Well, we're going to ask
Sarah Cord for his comment." I kind of preemptively asked Sarah for her comments and I think the fact that Sarah gave her comments was the the applicant on 67 school street better think twice about what they're proposing. So I think
it works. I think it works. Um, on the chairman's report, I think I've said it all except that um, 70 Oh, it's important. 75 Hallway Street, which we did refer to the Cape Cod Commission. I think it's the first one we did
something in four or five years. They have indicated they were going to withdraw their application. Correct. Mhm. And so they need to submit to the Cape Cod Commission a formal request to withdraw their application. Actually, I
don't think they even made an application. I don't know what happened, but uh they'll have to come back to us with a new a new u as a new application to the historical commission. The applicant said, "Well, we don't have to do that." Well, the answer is yes, you do because we made a determination.
And once we make a determination, that's it. We can't we can't we can't withdraw a determination. Uh so uh there will be a new application for 75 hallway hopefully taking Sarah Corv's comments
uh and try to keep it at one level not make it a two-story building. One thing about that which was a positive from my perspective. I alerted the applicant that we passed this board uh passed a uh
a ZBA or encourage a ZBA bylaw which provided uh when a home is when a property is considered historically significant by the commission, you're able to get additional coverage. Remember that? And sidelot. And they
didn't know that. And as a result of that, I think they're going to be able to meet their family needs, but not go up two stories, but just add an addition on the back of the house. So hopefully that'll work out. And it'll be the first
time our our bylaw actually is applied enough. 12:00 boy, get an attab boy for this one. I'll make a motion that we rejourn this meeting. I assume there's no discussion.
Second. Bob, yes. Nancy, yes. Steph, yes. Janet, yes. Uh, Sandy, did I get Sorry about that. Sandy and Robert, yes.
And Cher, thank you very much, guys. Good job. Thank you. [Music] [Music] of