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Heat. Heat. Good Morning. Hi, I'm Frank Msina and welcome to the June 2nd, 2026 meeting of the Chattam Historical Commission. Few announcements before we start. Please note this meeting is being recorded and will be available shortly hereafter for

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chapter 2 of the acts of 2025 extending certain COVID 19 measures adopted during the state of emergency suspending certain provisions of the open meeting law general law 3820 until June 20, 2027. This meeting of the Chattam

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simoccast on Chattam TV Exfinity channel 1072, despite our best efforts, we may un be unable to provide real time access. Okay. Uh first item of business is a roll call.

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Uh Bob Leer, vice chair >> here. >> Nancy Bar Clerk >> here. >> Stephanie Hamilton >> here. >> Robert Stevenson >> here. >> Janet Tennyson >> here. Robert Wilson >> here. >> Sandy Porter is absent and Peter Donovan

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is absent and the chair is present. So we have a full uh full contingent and we will proceed. We have a relatively short agenda, two applications which some of the members were able to make a site visit and I think other members got a

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chance to drive by. Uh which driving by those one of those houses was interesting to say the least. Uh, and the first application we have is 260009. Uh, be heard in accordance with chapter 158 of the demolition delay bylaw.

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>> Minutes. >> I'm sorry. >> Oh, the minutes. Thank you very much. We'll we'll uh we'll go back to them. Thank you very much for reminding me. >> You know what? >> Somebody did not put minutes on the agenda.

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>> That is correct. We'll put them both on the next agenda if you'd like. >> We can't do it techn Well, technically >> can't he can't agenda first. >> We'll hold them to the next meeting because we don't want to get the agenda police after us. U if it's not on the agenda, technically you can't discuss

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it. All right. So, I'm not going bad. I'm not getting bad. Nancy, you're good. All right. Again, uh attempt to fully demar demolish uh 37 Crosby Lane. Uh would the come forward if you're here. This application uh again is a uh a

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fully demolishing and we hate to see anything being fully demolished and I guess we have to have a discussion. This property there is no form B on the property on the town survey by our preservation consultant. It was listed

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on the no list and needless to say it's not listed in the national registered district and has not before been before the commission before. By giving all those nos it means that we looked at it and we kind of said I don't think so in

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term of historic preservation. Uh so uh even though the property or part of the house is like 126 years old, um why don't we let you proceed and introduce yourself and just tell us a little bit about why you're taking it down and what

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do you think you're going to do? Okay. >> Well, good good morning. Uh Thomas Moore from Moore Home Design Company in Brewster representing Dana and Dan Estes Estus which is they're sitting in the front row there. >> Nice. uh they've owned this property for over

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20 years uh and have used it as a summer cottage but are looking to move down and into this property full-time. So uh and the current house in its you know condition and state is not conducive to how they want to live on this property a

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full-time as a year round type of a resident. So, we're looking to demolish this house uh in total without delay so that we can build the new a new single family dwelling. I think that's simply as much as u u

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yeah I'm going to say right now at this point I don't u all right I think you know the argument which we'll discuss a little bit more relevant to historical significance and I think most of us are going to have a hard time indicating that the house is historically

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significant although inside that that inside there there's probably an historically significant structure But I don't think we're going to we're going to you know have a discussion real if we could or could not save it giving what you want

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to do. So let's let's very quickly uh if we could just I apologize I thought I turned it off. >> Sorry son I guess it says off. It says airplane mode. Doesn't airplane mode did it

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right. Oh, didn't work. Anyway, sorry about that. I apologize to everybody. >> U so do me a favor. Let's let's go around the room. Uh Robert, relative historical significant. You think it's worthy of any discussion?

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>> Uh not not a lengthy discussion. There's some hint of the old building there, but nothing significant to preserve. >> I would I would allow >> Bob. Uh yeah, I don't see anything that's worth preserving. You're putting a full foundation in, right?

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>> That's correct. Yeah. >> So, this house gonna last >> the the new house. >> The new one. >> I I would hope so. >> So, uh well, anybody can build a plane Jane. So, uh ju just encourage you to really photograph, look around, um see

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how to really use that because I looked around the neighborhood. It's really eclectic. It's a nice neighborhood. >> So, um that's my only comment. Okay. It not be historical, >> Steph. >> I don't think it's historic either. Um, I have one question. Is it going to be a

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twostory house that you're building? >> You It be one and a half. It's a Yeah. >> Thank you, >> Janet. >> No, the whatever was historically significant is long gone, hidden one brick wall. So, I have no uh problem

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with this project. >> N sorry. Um I will just note that there is a brick house cottage and be you know inside the original brick cottage as we saw yesterday is is hidden by the by the

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wraparound porch. You can't see it in the pictures but we look through the windows and I think it's really interesting. It's a relatively unique thing and it there's at least two walls, brick walls there and I do not feel that the property as such is historically

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significant but I think that just to note a brick cottage from 1900 is relatively unique in Chadam. Um I don't think that that is savable nor would I recommend you know making this a bigger deal. But I did want to note to everybody that there was a brick cottage

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inside. when you look through the windows, you could still see the original structure. And um I thought that was very interesting, but I do not believe as is the structure is historically significant, nor can I envision how you would save that brick.

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Um but if there are original features, flooring, whatever, you know, lovely to use it, and you know, we hope that you'll do it with an eye to saving if there is if there are parts of it that you can. >> Thank you. I I I guess I concur with generally what's being said so far. But

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before we go to Bob, I I we did have a a discussion at the site visit uh with the owners relative to that very subject and there is some m there are some materials in there uh which could be salvaged. I

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think we said we had a discussion and u I don't know. I mean there's ways to demolish the building. you bring a crane in and they just crush it. Uh but there's another way if if if if some selective work is done before the demolition by yourselves or bringing in

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somebody or the contractor. Uh you mentioned the floorboards. if I had a conversation that there are some really wide floorboards that are in there >> and potentially some trim and you know if that's something you're we don't we don't have any jurisdiction there but it's something we like to encourage you

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know from our point of view the less we put in a landfill the better and if it can be reused or repurposed that would be uh that would be uh helpful. Uh so uh I think we could provide you uh a list

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of people who do that you know that they may you know when you're at that particular point of the demolition you know like you've got all your stuff out you're ready to turn it over to him to bring the crane in. Uh that they would come in and they would salvage you know

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the house. And if you're not planning to use it in in your new structure and I don't think that's the case. I'm talking I really have to talk to you through that. >> Yeah. No, I get it. >> I don't >> We We did talk about uh possibly, you know, taking a look at some of the floors.

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>> Okay. >> Um you know, maybe some of the brick work, but yeah, I'm not sure of the extent of some of the trim. So, >> and we'll we'll we'll send you a list of, you know, contractors who do that. quite honestly, they're not going to pay you, but you know, they they they use it

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and then um it's like getting a heart transplant, you know. Right. Exactly. All right. So, Christina will do that. Bob, I'm sorry. Your your thoughts? >> Uh nothing to add. Mr. Moore did point out the only part of the original 18 1900 house you can see is about 6 in or

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a foot and I don't know 20 feet long and it's bowed in the middle. So it's not even worth trying to resurrect that old part, I don't think. So no problem with not historically significant. >> Right. So I mean you did also provide Drew. Thank you very much and we do

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appreciate that we don't really have jurisdiction relative to the new design, but we do appreciate I think and we'll get some other comments. you know what you're proposing there is in keeping with the Cape in terms of that kind of uh cottage much bigger but you know you

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have the lot and why not especially if you're going to live there and the grandkids and etc etc etc so um all right anybody else have any comments relative to what they're proposing >> I think the new structure is attractive

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to me it's generous in size but well designed and should be attractive >> thank you all All right. All right. If none, I think at this point we're going to take a motion relative to the historical significance. And if we do, which we which will probably be no

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historical significance, therefore technically you're allowed to, as you're aware, you've been here before. >> Yes, I have. >> Proceed. So, Robert, >> I move that the Chattam Historical Commission find that the building located at 37 Crosby Lane is not historically significant because it does

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not meet any of the definitional criteria in section 158-2 A, B, or C of the bylaw. Therefore, the commission does not impose a demolition delay. >> I second. >> All right. Any discussion from any members of the commission? Any member of

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the public wish to speak for or against the application? Seeing none, roll call. Bob, >> yes. >> Nancy, >> yes. >> Steph, >> yes. >> Robert Stevens, >> yes. >> Janet Tennyson, >> yes. >> Robert Wilson, >> yes. >> And the chair vote yes. Thank you very

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much. Good luck. >> Hey, thank you. >> Thank you. >> You can at least get this summer out of the place before you start the work. >> Probably one more summer. >> Yeah, maybe one more summer. Hopefully not another winter. >> But thank you. And if you can for us

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because we would like to We had like a brick walkway and we gave the bricks to our neighbor and he did a path in his garden. So we're very much into good repurposed or reclaimed. >> Well, thank you very much. >> It was a it was a pleasure to discover

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your neighborhood. >> Yes, >> you go down every street and chat. Oh, look at that. >> Well, now you guys can. >> Thank you. And I'm sure the guy in the control room is saying >> don't talk to them. I'm sorry. I

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apologize. Okay, that's a All right. Uh the next application is uh she's right there. 260 uh accordance with chapter 158 uh 1805 Main Street, which does exist if you can

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find it. Uh it it obviously is an interesting uh property. uh no form B not in the National Register on the no list, but from my perspective, it's a clear indication of why we need to

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proceed with a demolition by neglect. I'm slightly off topic here. I had a brief discussion with uh Miss Donovan, our director of community development, showed her what was going on and she agreed that something, how do we enforce

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it? and she promised me that she's gonna re-energize the uh the uh principal planner, what's her name? >> Christine. >> Christine O'Grady. >> Uh to once again, let's dust that off. >> Even if we do it a start, put our nose

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under the tent for for homes in the National Register or something like that, but get something on the books that we begin to uh to uh to do something. We do know we have a house in the old village that is reaching that. So it's something to talk

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about. U okay sorry I digressed. Uh so uh as I said on the no list 85 years old uh and I think it's quite evident that the house is falling down and uh so Bernardet why don't you introduce yourself formally. Hi, Bernardet Mloud

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from Ryder and Wilcox and I'm here to represent Carlton Builders. Um, and the um house is has been condemned. It's uninhabitable and it's unsafe and um I

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don't even think the builder has been inside nor I because it was, you know, >> yeah, >> condemned. So he just wants to take it down, build something that will hopefully, you know, go in the neighborhood. Of course, it's larger.

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And >> that's just one second. Excuse me, Bernardet. Excuse me. Was it condemned? >> He said it was condemned. So I checked with the health department and the building department, and we do not have any records of it being condemned. We do

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have I believe there were quite a few um people inquiring about the sanit sanitary situation >> from a health point of view but it probably was quotes never condemned officially by the building inspector but that's neither here nor there. There's

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no question that is a very dangerous piece of property and uh >> and the sheds are falling down and he just wants to clean it up and of course build you know >> what everybody else is building. Well, it it's quite obvious. I guess we have the same discussion from we had

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last time is I don't know if there's any doubt in anybody mind relative to its condition and the need for it to be demolished. And more importantly from our point of view, does it any any historical significant remaining? So, u we'll start the other way. Bob,

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>> uh I have no problem >> I have no problem with it being limited or designated not historically significant. >> Thank you, Nance. No, I I see no reason that to determine this. >> No, no, sir. If there was, it's long

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gone. No, >> Steph, >> I don't see anything. >> Robin, >> nothing that I saw that there was worth historical saving. >> I've never seen a property more deserving of demolishing than

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>> Well, there is there is a where the question whether that car is historically significant. It might become historical if someone important buys it. >> It's interesting because they can't get it out because of that monstrous tree. >> Anyway, >> Bob Robert Stevens said the battery might be dead.

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>> So, Bernardet, do you mind just putting up the the picture of what you're doing then? >> Yeah. Thank you very much. >> So, it's um it's very similar to what we did on Coral Road. Um there's next to Fins, I guess it is now. Um it's

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basically just about the same house with a few tweaks and um it's, you know, quite a bit larger than what's there, but it's it's still keeping in, you know, historical nature. And Jesse will

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do a great job with the trim and the, you know, the overhangs, and he'll make it, >> you know, look historic. >> Well, interesting. And I asked Christina, even though it's on Main Street in that area, it's not in the HBDC apparently. I didn't realize the HBDC stopped and there's a section of it

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that's not and that's why we have jurisdiction or else you'd be having this discussion with the HBDC which you don't want. >> I think that's closer to town, isn't it? The HBDC. I'm not sure exactly where it stops but >> All right,

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Bob. I think a motion is appropriate. I move the Chattam Historical Commission find that the building located at 1805 Main Street is not historically significant because it does not meet any of the definitional criteria in section 158-2A, B, or C of the bylaw. Therefore,

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therefore, the commission does not impose a demolition delay. >> I'll second. >> Second step. Thank you. Any discussion? Any member of the public wish to speak for against the application? Seeing none. Bob, >> yes. >> Nancy,

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>> yes. >> Steph, >> yes. >> Robert, >> yes. >> Janet, >> yes. >> Robert, >> yes. >> And the chair votes. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> We're going to set a record. Okay. Uh, we got a couple of new things we'll do quickly. Uh, new business. Um, Nancy had

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two items which I think just wants to add a sentence to relative to where we are. >> Um, the flood plan design instructions. I think that is just me recommending that we get some guidance together for applicants and maybe think about it in

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part of a pre-application thing which you talked about like you know where people can actually come for some guidance. >> Okay. >> And maybe we can think about those kinds of cases that you know come up whether it's floodplane or um whatever um you know and then the second one on the

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community preservation act >> on the flood plane. Are you going to give us something to consider? Well, I I said I would pull together the Cape Cod Commission the various stuff. I think it's just would be nice for us to have it at hand instead of saying, "Oh, it's on the Cape Cod Commission site to

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people and let them because there's some really good stuff and maybe I think streamline that." >> Yeah. And and what you're bringing up and at some point, not now, we need to talk about are rules and regs relative to putting in semi-officiently

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the concept of a a what we call it a pre pre-application meeting. Some of the boards do that and we quite honestly had one yesterday 45 Water Street which is a significant property in Old Village. It's going to be excuse me >> school

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>> school street okay uh square 45 school street and it's going to have a significant impact in that area and so there's already been some discussion and the applicant asked for a premeating and we accommodated with Nancy and myself with the architect and the applicant

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just to give some you know no decisions but you know like dis guidance on how it could be perceived because there's people from the old village were already you ringing me on the phone. So, and that's good, but we don't have anything

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formally in our uh in our rules and rig. And it's probably something we should add that we should let the applicants know >> ahead of time quite honestly before they spend a lot of money on architects, you know, just talk to us. >> Yeah. if we had a packet for them and like we

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they knew that they could come to us free application we could have the secretary of the interior's guidelines for rehabilitation so they know what what we are really looking at when we look at things so that you know they're they're not coming and then we're saying well we would we apply these standards

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they're like well I guess I wish I had known that okay >> some of course some of the architects know that but some don't so >> and then the uh reservation restriction >> so I sorry go >> ahead was raising Yes, I'm sorry. I apologize. >> No, I'm just saying that uh that's

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really a good idea because that's the time when you could talk to them about possible architects, possible salvage people, possible historic people that could guide them in the neighborhood, show them how to use a camera, go around, see what the neighborhood looks

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like. >> This is the wrong place to have that discussion. >> Exactly. >> Because you have the architect and the owner, and guess what? You got the attorney whose job is to sell that particular thing. >> So, >> well, and they've already invested in where they're at. So, to go back to the

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starting block isn't really fair at that point. >> All right. So, we'll talk about it. I'll put on the future agenda. Maybe the meeting after next, not next one because it's full. Okay. All right. Nance. >> Um, and then the community preservation act preservation restrictions. I I'm going to take five minutes to say this

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because I I kind of want you all to say yes, that's good. Go forward. um the as part of um the comm the CPC the committee work um kind of late in the game I actually went back and read the

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act the actual act and um feel a little bit stupid because I didn't do that earlier but realized that there are some things in the act that are actually mandated regarding historic preservation that really call upon us in our review

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to to for example Every project that is funded by the CPC by community preservation act funds that is his for historic preservation needs to abide is required to abide by the secretary of the interior standard for rehabilitation

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which is a set of like 10 things that thou dost have to do this and we need to therefore when we're looking at projects when they come and say it's more than just hey is this historic significant do we like this project we actually have to look at their plan like we did with the

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harbor master's office kind of informally and say, "Hey, you don't your plan needs to show us how you're going to abide by the Secretary of the Interior standards for rehabilitation." So, the other thing is is that there are recommendations.

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Not all towns do it, but the the the um Cape Cod Commission recommends that every single project that is funded for historic preservation by the CPC has a preservation restriction put on it. What

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that means, for example, is if we pay, if the CPC funds, if the act funds the Maronei Towers, for example, even though that's a town thing, if there was a historic a preservation restriction on it, it ensures that they

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aren't left to not have the maintenance that requires the investment again, >> which is what happened, >> right? So, in so it doesn't have to happen. And in some towns they do it like there's a certain level of funding that triggers it. But whether it's private or whether it's the town there

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is a recommendation that CPC projects have a preservation restriction. These are just some examples. Just let me finish and then I'll so my proposal so the CPC I brought this up at the CPC and I said have you how have you done this before? And they all went oh good point.

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We don't. And then I said like a lot of the applications for CPC have guidelines if this is a historic preservation project. Here's a checklist. Here's guidelines. And I recommended that the CPC have because I'm the historic person. Forget about the other stuff that we have some extra information for

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applicants related to it and that I would make some work with well then I I said how about if I work on that and they said we would like the historical commission to recommend that to us for like >> that's a good task. And then finally, the part of that that I wanted to say is

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there's a woman named Kate McCormack who is a lawyer. She's a second homeowner in Chattam. I met her last summer at the library when she was doing some research on her house. She's doing a master's degree in historic um preservation. She's a lawyer. She's mid-career. Um and

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she would like to do an internship as part of her studies. and I have talked to her and she would take on this summer doing the research like the landscape research to say how do other towns provide guidelines a checklist for the

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CPC in relation to historic re preservation restrictions all these things I've talked about. So I really want your kind of it's okay for me to work with her this summer to come back. Would we engage her from the commission or she

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>> she's an intern and she just needs like somebody like me to say you've done this work for us. >> So if we vote right now to authorize you >> to work with her >> to work with her >> we will come back with some here's what we found. >> Need that authorization from the CPC too.

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>> No. >> Okay. >> So moved. >> So moved. >> All right. I I think it's a good >> So now I'll shut up and I'd love to hear. >> I just had one question. Can you shoot me the 10 bullets? I'm still in learning mode. >> I will send you a link to the secretary of the chair. >> Yeah. Let me just say before we vote on

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it, when I was on the CPC a long time ago, we did put preservation restrictions in. For instance, we required that buildings have public access. That was with the Maronei. Maronei said it had to had to be open to the public. And I think about the uh the

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Hook Fisherman property. When we gave money there, three sides of the building that were facing the street, they couldn't touch. In other words, they had to restore them for there was could never do anything that would inhibit the

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public view of that restoration and that was the compromise. So, yeah, I agree. Yes. Go ahead. >> But these but Nancy is talking about though the guy those guidelines are already in place. what she's talking about is the followup. The fact that the town doesn't m take care of their their buildings. >> Well, that's another thing.

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>> That's another thing. >> There's all different things that come in and and I guess what I'm just saying is let's do some research on how other towns like us are handling this. There's a lot more guidance over the last 20 years for towns for this regarding the CPC and the historical commission is

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their partner really. >> You know, a good source for you would be our preservation consultant, Eric Drake. Yes, I know. Eric headed the historical commission and the CPC >> and he did that and he he was an >> he had pres he had gone to the security

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preservation committee >> a couple of years ago and >> nothing happened >> well and they're not like that they're very open to it but they'd like us to take the lead to give them the recommendations and the other sorry one other go >> is it an unpaid in in

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>> Oh yeah she's she's not she's doing this she like she's going to handle the part you but she's willing to give us the time because >> Excellent. Great. >> Um, so sorry, >> I had one more thing that I wanted to say. I might also include with that some of >> the some historical commissions and

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towns have preservation plans. We do a lot of that without having a plan like we do the looking at, you know, some of these issues at establish at doing the inventory. >> Excuse me, Nancy. It's on our issues on hold. I know, but I just want that's part but one of the other things that

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would help the CPC is if there were go if we set out goals for our like this these are the goals of historic preservation in Chattam you know maybe it was you know you know getting the climate change and flood plan you know whatever it is or adaptive reuse a lot

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of towns have those goals and even if we did it annually like as part of our annual report to the selectman where we set goals >> like everything else my my bandwidth of my ability to do things. >> So, I'm just offering to say no and I will pull together this is what other

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towns do and maybe we'll have a series. So, it's a little bit broader than just the preservation. >> Let's let's formalize the motion and I'd like to just um you know indicate to Christina. We should put it together in some way if you could provide a

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narrative to Christina of what it is you're going to do, what you're going to do, how you're going to do, how you're going to work with her, and we'll pass that motion. And we should let Katie Donovan, you know, know what's going on because effectively,

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uh, commissions are not allowed to have committees. We're not we're not allowed to have, you know, we have to do it here. >> So, you know, that needs to be run by Katie what we're doing. Okay? >> Because other other boards and commissions have had their hands slapped because they established another

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committee. The issue is here is public. Everything we do is supposed to be public. So, we got to be careful how we do that. She could provide advice. She could provide information, but she's got to come here and and do it.

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>> My intention is bring to Katie that that's what we're going to do and we're not going to we're not going to go off. It's only one person, but still you're representing the commission. You has to be public. All right. So, we took a general motion to uh to approve NY's

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concept and we'll define it and u in in the future. So, we're going to take a quick vote on that. I think we had a second. >> Second. >> Okay. Bob, >> yes. >> Nance, >> yes. >> Steph, >> yes. >> Robert, >> yes. >> Janet, yes. >> Robert Wilson, >> yes.

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>> And the chair votes. Okay. Uh just quickly, I'm going to move along. I thought we'd break a record. We're not. Uh preservation restrictions. I'm continue to work with Ellen Brig for pop protect our pass on the issue of a preservation restriction for one or two

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properties of people who we can't name them yet you know who are interested in preservation restrictions as I said before the historical commission has done this in the past I've had preliminary discussions with the select board through Dean Niccastro who happens

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to be on vacation in Italy wonderful and he is going to be reviewing with the select board the process. But the indication I'm getting off, you know, off the record, so to speak, is that they a good idea. Let's proceed with that. So, we kind of have a nod from

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some of this selectman. Let's proceed because we've done it in the past. So, there's still a lot of work to be done between protect our past and myself, you know, representing the commission and then I'll come we'll come back to the full commission and tell you what the

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process is. Uh I think Preservation Massachusetts is the other organization who has done this has provided some guidance to Ellen Briggs to protect our pass on on how to how to proceed. You know, it's there's a lot of little legal legal things and and Robert's smiling.

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So, we'll try to work it out. Uh, and then there they're two really great properties in town that if we if we're able to get a preservation restriction, it's going to really create a a nice uh I mean we have loads of conservation restrictions in town where there's whole

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areas which are conserved, but there are some vistas and there's some properties that are really worth to keep it, you know, and not have three more houses be put up. >> Uh, okay. Uh speaking of that, the uh the boat house

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we're working on finalizing everything and it's moving along so there's nothing new to report. Uh but lastly, I asked Christina to send out the draft application to Mass Historic from the on the Nichlson homestead. They there's a

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timeline on that. So, if you guys can take a quick review and anything you see that jumps out at you that needs to be a comment on our 16th, we'll put it on the agenda and we'll get those comments back to uh Holly and hopefully submit it.

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>> It is very very interesting to read. >> Say again. >> It was very very interesting to >> Oh, sorry. Go ahead. It was what? >> Very very interesting to read. >> Yes, it it's a really She does a great job. She really has a sense of chat. Just one or two quick things on the

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Could you throw up that slide? U in case you didn't know, June is uh Chattam History Month. There's a group called the historic Cadam, myself and young lady to my right is uh involved and I think you did that

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too, that thing. And I'm putting it up because I want to remind the members of this the board and the public. And if you check out that website, uh, what is it? Chatam historic cadam.org. >> Historic-m >> historic-.org,

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>> you'll find the list of all the activity. There's got to be 30, 40 different activities that are going to be occurring during the um during the u uh the month. One significant month on June 20th, there's going to be a trolley

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which will go from the um Got that one. which will go from the railroad museum and go around to these five five or six I think it's five five sites in Chattam the Maronei the windmill the uh Atwood

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uh the Nickersonson Foundation so it it's kind of it's a free ride you get on you get off that kind of thing which is could be neat uh we're trying to encourage people to use the venues use the mazines be you know recognizes that Chattam is more than sharks and there's

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a lot going on The library has a lot of activities uh which is which is also significant. Maronei one interesting one the Nickerson's going to have a a new display on the artifacts which they uncovered during the dig which is an interesting one. Uh so that's just

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something look look out for. Uh, one other thing I just but I mentioned the windmill you know the the historical commission was instrumental back in 2006 2007 maybe 8 when we when we decided I guess Steph you're about you and I the

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only ones here from there you know when we were going to proceed to try to get a CPA grant from the CPC committee 125,000 at the time to restore the the windmill and the historical commission was part of this the creation of a group called

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the windmill group which was helps the town ma manage that there actually are two open positions for those of you who have nothing to do on Monday Wednesday and Friday between 11 and 1 they're looking for dosent and they call them millers uh and actually it's a paid

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position okay 16 something an hour for uh nine hours Robert I think you'll be a good candidate yeah you know uh and the the only requirement is that you like to talk to people you know you learn very quickly about the history of the Colonel Godfrey and it's kind of a fun thing to

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do. So, I just thought I would mention that. That's it. I'm done. Uh, anything else? Any other comments? Okay. >> May I make a motion that we adjourn the meeting of June 2nd? >> Thank you very much. I don't

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>> Second. >> Thank you. Uh, Bob, >> yes. >> Nancy, >> yes. >> Seph, >> yes. >> Robert, >> yes. >> Janet, >> yes. Robert Wilson and the chair. Yes. Thank you very much. Our next meeting on the 16th. >> Yeah.

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>> Is going to be a long one. >> Five applications. >> Uh so it's going to be a long one. And I think I'm hopeful that the pre-application discussion that Nancy and I had with the applicant on School

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Street that they'll withdraw because they need more time and that that would that would be good in terms of not making a 5-hour meeting. You know, it's it's a very complex applications. Effectively, it's one lot which is being divided into three lots where where

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there's one house, there's going to be three houses. Uh, and it's going to be a tough one. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, >> say again. >> The meeting's over. >> We adjourned.

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>> We adjourned. >> Sorry. We did adjourn. I don't doubt that that's