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Um, good evening. Uh, my name is Art Sprew. I'm chair of the planning board. Uh this is the planning board hybrid meeting for April 28th, 2025, 5:30m. Please note this meeting is being
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We will post a record of this meeting on the town's website as soon as possible. Um, begin with a roll call vote. Uh, Warren Chain. Warren Chain present. Uh, Bob Worcher. Bob Worcher present. Uh, Bob Dubis. Bob Dubis present. Um,
Charlene Greenhall is absent. Frank Shear is absent and Katherine Halpern will be joining us maybe later uh remotely and I'm Arts Brew. I'm also present. Uh let's begin with uh the minutes. We have several of them here.
Um first one is from March 10th, 2025. Do I have any comments or edits to this minutes? I had none myself. No. And do I have a motion to approve
the minutes of March 10th, 2025? I make that motion and um second. All right, we'll do a roll call vote. Warren chain. Warren chain approve. Bob Worcha. Bob Worcha approve. Abdulis. Abdubis approve. And Artsboro I
approve. Uh next is March 17th, 2025 minutes. Um, and I had no comments on these. Any comments from any of the other board members? I move we approve. Second. All right. Um, chain approve.
Approve. Bob have to approve. Dub approve. Art sprew. I approve. Uh, March 24th, 2025. Uh, no comments by the chair. Any other edits,
comments? Do I have a motion to We approve the minutes of the 24th of March 24th. I second. Um Warren Chain. Warren chain approve. Bob have to approve. Abdus abstain. Abstain. I wasn't here. I
think you have to due to necessity. We needed four members to vote for it. Don't we? Yeah. Okay. I'll approve. Okay. It's not administrative. Yeah. And Artsboro I approve. Uh, and the last minutes is April 14th,
2025. I have no edits to this one. Wow. Amazing job, Ann. Yeah, Annie's done a great job on these minutes. I move we approve the April 14th minutes. I'll second it. All right.
Warren Chain. Warren Chain approve. Uh, have to approve. Dubis, approve. And Arts Spur, I approve. Okay. Next item on the agenda is 487489 Main Street, the Squire. I think
um Mr. Norcross, you are going to present for the applicant. Uh yes, I am. Uh Jamie Norcross representing One Drop Real Estate LLC. Um they uh my clients through the uh there was the one-year period for the summer operation as part
of the statement of conditions and then it was reviewed again in January. And so I think at this point they've satisfied all of the uh conditions that were part of that statement of conditions. So they have asked for a release of the statement this evening. Okay. Do I have any comments or
questions from the board members on this? Okay. I would uh would like to make one suggestion on this. Um, if we're going to release the uh statement of conditions, I would like to make a recommendation that we sent a letter to
the uh uh the select board that uh condition three where we hold the hours as identified in condition three that we're recommending that those be maintained as um as part of our original recommendation. Again, this would just
be a letter to the select board. um us notifying them because this the conditions are being released and it falls into their their hands after this. If you need a motion, I'll make it. Um okay. Okay. Let's uh let's make a
motion to send the letter. Do you want to make a motion to send the letter? Send a letter with a time the same time. Okay. As we had already under condition three, right? All right. Uh let's do a separate vote on that and then we'll vote on the uh release. Um Warren chain
Warren chain approved approved Dubis approve and Arts I approve. Now um we'll vote to release the uh statement of conditions for one drop real estate. I move we uh for 487
to 4849 Main Street. Okay. I'm I can't do this like Charlene. I I move we drop the uh statement of conditions at 48749 Main Street and a second. Second. All right. Warren
chain. Warren chain approve. Bob Bob after approve. Bob was approve and Arts Bar approve. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Uh next is site plan approval. Amend change of
use for 200 meeting house uh road. Uh we have a uh are we continuing this uh yes we will be continuing this one. We have not heard from the applicant. They did not get us the revised plan yet. Um so I would recommend that you continue it to
the May 12th meeting. All right. So, uh, do I have a motion to continue this to the May 12th, 2025 meeting? Uh, no. 5 p.m. I move that we, um, have the site that we, um, continue continue the site
plan approval amendment, change of use at 200 House Road to the May 12th. May 12th at 5:00 at 5:00. I'll second it. All right. Warren Warren chain approve
chapter approve approve art sprew I approve okay next is uh 16 Squanset road and this is a I think it's a change of
use and David you're representing the applicant partly uh David Clark engineering for the and James Norcross, attorney for Dre Tawi, who is attending remotely. Um, so yes, this
is a proposed change of use, actually reverting back to a jelly shop. Uh, this was a jelly shop uh a couple of owners ago. Um, so the plan is to uh make pro improvements to the property.
um to uh alleviate some some drainage issues um and also uh to show where a proposed dumpster's going uh and have the proper
enclosure. Um this property uh along with the property next door, the uh cream and cone um have existed for over 50 years. Um, and there really hasn't been any drainage issues up until
recently. There is signs of uh water coming off the property and creating a little little swale onto the cream and comb property. Um, and large that's largely due to some deficiencies in Squanset Road. Mhm. Uh the town did put
an asphalt burm over sections of it, but uh the the northerly uh entrance to the property, the asphalt burm falls short. Mhm. And water is uh is uh shortcircuiting uh the town's drainage
system and getting onto this property. Uh for years, the water just puddled uh down in the uh or up in the northwest corner of the property. at the edge of the pavement, but with that extra flow from Saquonit, it is going over the the
burm that's there and down into um Craven Cone property. Uh this has been addressed with the highway department and the highway department, I believe, is is making efforts to repair their portion of of of the road. In the
meantime, um there are improvements that the owner wants to do. Uh but over time, um in in the short term, um like to landscape out by the out by Route 28, move the uh move
the uh business sign uh closer to 28, but still within the property. Um the uh parking lot hasn't been restriped in quite a long time. Uh so that would be done
initially along with construction of the refuge area. Uh and also restriping the uh the ADA parking spaces. There's no markings there even though the ramp is is right there.
Um the parking lot as it is now has has served multiple businesses over the years and uh never been an issue with uh site circulation and safety. But uh in in doing the uh parking layout, it was
obvious that um there's more pavement there than is needed um to comply with the uh parking requirements u as far as the alley between the the two uh uh parking areas. Um so
the the uh a lot of improvements have been made in the past such as hooking to town sewer. So, you'll see a large patch in the pre pavement from the building all the way out to 28. Um, a new uh electric service was put in uh a few years ago and and a water service and
that broke up a lot of the pavement um towards the south entrance. Um that's why you see a lot of gravel there. Um so, the parking lot is isn't is it works, it's stable at the moment, but it's in rough shape. So sometime in the
future, what you'd like to do is uh take up the asphalt parking lot and uh and put in a stone shell surface. That would definitely eliminate any drainage problems in the future. Um so we feel
the site as it is now is adequate for the proposed use. um with the the initial improvement such as striping the the uh spaces. Um I did provide drainage calculations
um and in order to uh contain and infiltrate a 25-y year storm event, that area between the parking lot and Route 28 um would be regraded uh to create a very shallow depression. Um, and that's all that's
needed to contain officially contain the 25-year storm event, but being a new business owner and and making the renovations to the building. Um, it it's a lot of money to come up with initially. Um, and so that's why we're asking to do this in two phases. one to
get her open for the summer, which would be doing the landscaping, which is not um a uh a public issue as far as safety.
Um striping the lines um in the ADA space and and putting in the dumpster closure. So, we're asking for that to be phase one. She gets that stuff done. Um, we're asking that you be allowed to
open, approve the change of use, and then, um, come up with a plan as to when the additional things are going to be done, if that makes sense. Okay. Um, Charlene, um, can you give me
some, um, background on your review on this? Um so the um we know that there is the existing retail or there's going to be the retail piece of it. Um the whole site as you've proposed it would have to be done in order for her to go ahead
with the res uh the restaurant portion of it. You can't open the restaurant without the drainage items being everything has to be done in order to move forward with that. I've spoken with the uh director of community development today on it. Um, so if she wants to if
she wants to just have the first part over the summertime, if she wants to do that, that that's fine, but she can't open the restaurant with it unless all of that grading and all of the back pieces done. There's nothing in the bylaw that requires that. I'm sorry, what? That's something new to me. There's nothing in the bylaw that
requires that. Um, there's always been changes of uses in town where Right. You're increasing um you're increasing the use the the use on the property. Um we're changing the use. You're you're changing the use, but you're increasing the number of of of occupants that will
be on that property. Yeah. If you were just retaining the retail part and nothing else you would be fine, but you're doing more than that. So therefore, that triggers the next level. I guess just to a couple questions then.
I guess I'm struggling to see how the restaurant use is going to affect the drainage, which is primarily what we're talking about. And we're not saying she's not going to do it. We're just asking if there could be a set period in the future when she could do it. Again, it's really a cash flow issue. The cost outlay at the beginning is very
prohibitive for a small business when it's not again well again as the as the director had said today, in order to move forward with that other piece of it. Yeah. You know, we are allowing you to if you want to just do the retail portion, but as soon as you open up the restaurant, you're increasing the
capacity on that site and we have to make sure that everything is done. So, you can't open that piece of it without it. Right. What is that based on? I guess what I'm struggling to understand, right? And an amendment to a a change of use, an amendment to a site plan. So, part of site plan review in this
particular case or in in this community is site plan review. when you change of use then you open up you open up that that can of worms basically. No and we understand that but I guess we're truly understand why that has to get done before you have a be able to open the business. If you have a commitment to do it within a certain period of time if
it's in the regulation that's fine but I don't think we've seen because you're going to need to utilize all of that all of that for your increased your increased use. So if we were just to increase the retail space in that building what would happen? The the retail piece is No, but we'd be using
more parking. That's your we' be increasing the use of the space. So the most that's not what you're asking for. Yeah. Yeah. You're asking for a a lot more when you're talking about a 50 seat restaurant. Okay. That's that changes quite a bit. It's no longer just retail.
But if it was, how does that impact the drainage? Somebody could explain that. Well, we revisit the site when we do that type of um uh adjustment to a change. All right. revisit revisit the site to take a look at it. There's no storm water management on the site right
now. I think what David has proposed here, which is like a a French drain along there and the grading off into the grass area, I think that's a a great inexpensive approach to manage storm water management. You're not dealing
with structures or anything. Um I was sort of surprised that his cost for that did seem high for just some grading then for stoneward. So, uh, he might want to go back and revisit that that cost value there for that. But, uh, that's a
relatively inexpensive component to do for managing drainage that doesn't have any right now. Yeah. Again, um, I believe there's no provision in the bylaw that you that that says that we
have to do this in order to open. Yes, there is. The bylaw says right in the first paragraph that if you change the use, you modify it, you revisit the entire site plan approval process, site plan review. And then the planning board gets to decide what happens. That's
correct. Because there are dozens of businesses in this town that have changed uses and expanded uses without having to do any improvements on the property. You just approved one last time where they were able to use three parking spaces at at the uh real estate
office. you didn't require them to upgrade their their parking. That's that's because they they have a full set of storm water management on that property. Okay. It really depends upon what has been previously approved.
Sometimes these go back into the 1990s and there was no criteria even established for any of this. It was there's been a criteria since 1987. Nothing has changed in the site plan review since 1987. So, when this property was approved for a jam and jelly shop, it was approved as
is, and then the next owner changed the use. Um, and it was approved as is. Um, again, if you're just if you're just going to change the retail from one to the other, I agree with you completely. We wouldn't have to come before you if
you were changing retail. Yeah. Retail's retail. There's there's no specifics. That's why job lot is there. It went from grocery store to job lot. One's considered retail, the other one's considered retail. And they didn't have to do any site improvement. Adding the
restaurant component though is a game changer. Oh, it is. I I agree. But the planning board has the authority to to ask for or wave anything they want. Okay. But I haven't heard that you're asking us to wave anything. You're you want to postpone it, but you can't do
that is what we're saying. Well, you can. You You're choosing not. choose not to approve it, but for the town to say it's not allowed is what I don't understand. Well, if the if the community development director says that's it's it's impermissible, that's why I guess I'm struggling. You could say we're not going to approve it. That's your discretion. But it seems
like there is discretion there as opposed to an impossibility. Well, let let's see what some of the board members have to say associated with this because I I think there's no protection that anything will be done once we pass we approve this. And that's the concern that this board has. Unless you put a
bond in place or you actually do the work before you actually open up the restaurant portion, I'm not quite sure how we're protected. You could have a condition they have to come back within a certain period of time. And if they don't come back and and conclude the work, then I imagine you can revoke
that approval. I mean, I think that would provide the board with assurance that the work's going to get done. I I understand your position. And I guess you're just dealing with my client is is a small business owner trying to open this is I guess $40 $50,000 to rip up the asphalt and all. David, is that the
It was just shy of 40. Just shy of 40. I mean, she's already done work to the building. That's a big ticket item just to try to get open for the summer when the work can get done after that. But again, I So, all right. So, you're requesting a waiver to phase out the to phase out the construction, right? Yes.
To phase out the drainage. And then you're also requesting a waiver for the two parking spaces or what are you doing with that? Yes. Okay. So I guess po you should probably take a poll of the of the board how they want to proceed. Bob, why don't you start with any comments
question? David, you want to rip out all the asphalt and put shelves in there in the future? Yeah. How are you going to how are you going to delineate the uh the parking places? Curb stops. I mean, uh, wheel stops. Okay. I don't understand.
You can't find two extra parking places there. I looked at the previous approved plan and they showed over 20 approved parking spaces on and I for the life of me could not figure out where they where they were. They weren't shown on the plan. It was in the calculation, but um,
they weren't I I mean, I remember that when there was a uh an accountant's office and they they didn't have too much problems like that. That puddle has been there ever since I was born. I'm gonna tell you that. Um I I have I I like the rain garden
thing, but I I don't I don't like taking up the asphalt and putting all all crushed crushed uh shells in there. I mean, I I can get over if you put the rain garden in and and put the uh the proposed uh
um the drain there, French drain. I don't have a problem with you leaving the asphalt. Okay. until a later date. But but you got to have the drainage in because that's part of the problem that we have here. Okay. As far as part of our I'd leave the asphalt
alone, but put in the drain and make sure make sure that you hit sand in that area or put sand and gravel in there and I I don't have a problem with that and that's not that expensive. Well, the the drainage is part of phase one. Okay. Is what? Is part of phase one to create
that low. That's what I thought you said. So, why you why are you complaining about putting the drain in? It's removing the pavement. Why do you have to remove the pavement? Mhm. Because there's more pavement there than we need. And so that leave the pavement there for now and then when you're ready
to take it out next year or the year after, then rip the pavement out. Leave it there. What do you care? That's what we're asking. But no, you're not. We're being told that it all has to be done now. No. No. I I I think I think what we're looking for is if you're going to open the restaurant, you should have the
drainage portion in, right? That's that's my thing here incorrectly. It's a French it's a French drain with some grading. That's all. All right. We're arguing over Okay. Yeah. Okay. As far as the pavement, I don't care. Line
it out and use it for the year or next year or whatever and just leave it. What now? Outback. Is out back already there? the parking out back. It's scattered. It It was never Well, it has because of the
discontinuous use, there's no visible signs of of the limits of that that was approved the last time around. Well, why don't you why don't you concentrate instead of digging the pavement out? Shells are expensive. Okay. Yeah. So, what what you can do without the shells, you can you can put the shells out back
if you want. I don't care. But delineate the back parking lot. Okay. And put the drain in. And don't worry about the asphalt. You want to put an island in here or is that going to be removed? That's that's to be removed. That's part of the future plans. Well, just just put some barrels or something in there with
trees or flowers on it for now. If if the food's good and people want to go there, they don't care about the asphalt. They don't care about anything like that. Okay. So, so instead of spending their money stupidly by ripping the asphalt out and putting shells there, okay? and then and then worrying about the drainage later. Put the drain
in, fix the back parking lot, and I don't think we're going to have a problem with it. I thought that's what I said at the beginning. So did I. But I don't Somehow got mixed up. No, I interpreted it different. I I apologize. No, it's not your fault. It wasn't quite We do have the applicant and we do have
the director of community development who would like to speak. Okay. So, that's okay. Let's uh let's go uh to the applicant first. Thank you. Um, so state state your name for the
record, please. My name is Ray Powy. I am the owner of 16 Squanset Road. Um, what my concern is that a lot of the water is coming from Squanset. So, I
would like to see how a burm a new burm replaced by the town would help with the drainage there. It's gonna it's going to emit a lot of the water that's coming into the parking lot. And that's why I wanted to do it in phases because I I really think the burm
should be replaced first. I don't want to rip up anything. I'd like to keep it the way it is. Um, but because it was really expensive, asphalt's more expensive than stone and shell, and I thought stone and shell
natural um, parking lot would help with drainage because obviously the water can um, be absorbed. Um, but I think the first thing that needs to happen is that Chadam's um, highway division needs to
fix the BM before anything needs to be done because we're we're kind of jumping ahead of ourselves here. You know, David drew a really beautiful plan. It's not something I'm ready to execute right now. I did suggest water rain barrels um around the sequins property around the
house to collect any rain that's coming from the gutters but from what I can see and I have video footage of it the the rain the water is coming from sequenc I shouldn't be held responsible for that um that's something I think that the
blower the board can reach out to the DPW director and seek if they could uh uh provide some relief in that avenue. But that's yeah, I with them also and they agreed. They went out and looked at the property and they they
said that they would address it. This is just a Okay, thank you. Uh Katie, would you like to uh um pipe in a little bit on this? Sure. I think um just how it had been explained to me was a little bit
different. I didn't realize that the um the drainage area in the front was part of the initial plan. Um but I think that if it was phased um and there were conditions on that phasing, I think that that's something that that could
certainly be done. Um if the board's willing to based on the conversation that's been had. Bob, I I understand that Squansa Road drains onto this property, and I I I'm going to say that the town probably
should put a burm on it for you, but that's still not going to take all the water that's going to fall on there uh naturally, even if you put a burm on. So, yes, that that does affect your drainage. Y, but you still have to put the drain in. You don't have to take the
asphalt up and fix the back. Okay. And then when you put in put in uh uh shells, you need to make sure that you put in six foot aprons. And if you crown the aprons, that'll stop the water from coming in. So I I don't I don't have a problem with what they want to do. Just
leave the asphalt, put put the drain in, fix the back, and that's it. And when the town puts a burm in, hopefully they roll bur it so that they don't have a speed bump there. Yeah. They're asking me to spend $30,000 to fix something before it's even been addressed by the
town. The town needs to address the burm first so we can really see where the water then then we can't approve your plan until the burm's in. So, uh, what do you want us to do? Put the burms if the town puts the burm in and and you
put the drain in and you fix the back, we'll we'll approve it. So that means you're going to have to come back until the town can pave. I think what we're looking for is to have the applicant address their pieces and the town will need to address theirs
when they when they um when the DPW puts that on their agenda to do that work. Correct. I think I'm I'm sorry to interrupt. I just if we could just clarify what I think it'd be helpful for Andrew as well since he's not here. just clarify what the proposed phase one would be, the
extent of that work, and then I guess we're kind of on the same page as to what we're talking about. Could we Could we just call it the job and not a second phase? Sure. The job. We'll call it the job. Sorry. Just the scope of the job. So, we're all on the same because I'm I'm confused. I just want to make sure
probably some of you folks are confused as well as to what we're what the proposal would be. That's you, David. Your plan. Um, so what I gather from the board is that you
want drainage put in uh as part of Damon, when you say drainage, remember now we're not talking structures. They're not structures. We're talking That's what I'm trying to clarify. We're talking a French strain stone like you detailed there. You've identified it and
you're doing a grading. So that that is uh an a little low spot area and again that's low already. So this is just moving a little bit of material around. The problem with that is a portion of that area about a third of it is within
the existing pavement. Yeah. So we'd have to take the pavement up to that would be a big den. You're taking it out that part. Okay. We understand that. Okay. Put the drain in. Take that piece
of pavement out that you Okay. Put the drain in. Then then then So when we're saying drainage, we're talking about this landscape depression. Rain god. Yes. The landscape depression. Rain god. That's all you're showing for
drainage. And that's acceptable is what we're saying. Okay. As long as the French drain piece is included is what you're looking for. We don't really care about the French drain. And it's more of a sediment trap. And it's more of a sediment trap is all it is. It's it's a it's a width and a depth of gravel stone. That's all it is.
Yeah. So, we're not touching the parking other than it's going to get restriped. It's going to be I I would stripe it so you know where the cars are going. In order for this to work, some of the pavement has to come up. David, no. No.
I'm That's what I'm not arguing. I'm just making the statement. Yes, it does have to come up. But that isn't part of your drive your driveway any plans anyway, right? It's it's it's stuff that's paved now
that doesn't need to be paved or or have um shells on it shells on it or anything. Right. Right. Okay. Is it is it possible to do it outside the pavement or is that It's not enough room. It's not enough room. would have to go deeper and get into
You're never going to use that piece no matter what except for drainage. You're not going to reshell it. You're not going to rep park it. You're not going to do anything there. So, okay. All right. And as as far as at the rear of
the building, you just need to delineate the f the five spaces. That's how you have to do that. Scrape scrape it out, David. Scrape it out and put either stone or shells on it. There's probably something underneath the grass, right? But just just scrape it out and make it cut the outlines of it. So So it is what
it what it was normally or what it's going to be. And then just put some stone or shells. Stone is less money than shells, just so you know. Okay. I don't care what you put, but I'm just telling you if you want it economically. Would you hold our feet to the fire if
it was stone? We talked about stone shell or a combination of both. There's some in the back already. So whatever around. Yep. He's driving on that either, right? Nobody. Oh, yes. The parking space. Employees will be back there. They're
parking. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And there's a walkway and stuff. That's fine. It can be either or. How's that? We like the flexibility. It can be just dirt, but then it'll get muddy. Well, how about if we refer to it as pvious pavement? All right.
Okay. All right. And then and then at some point Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. David, at some point when when the uh burm goes by, then you can delineate the aprons at your will. If there's a bump or
something, just have them when they go by, just have them knock it down a little bit or but delineate the aprons you want and and uh if the town's really good to you, they'll they'll uh they'll put a little backing on it so you don't have too big a bump. Okay.
So, you're going to want to see a revised plan, obviously. Um, you only have one meeting in May and then we What's the matter with this plan, David? Mhm. Okay. Yeah. This I mean this plant is delicious. This has basically everything
you want on it. Yep. I mean crushed shell surface or stone or you know just leave the asphalt alone. We're not touching the asphalt except for the French drains. Yep. Now in this in in some time in the future if you want to take it out go ahead. Right. Okay. But
you want to open it up. That's the least least thing we expect to have happen so she can open her restaurant up. drainage striping refu area delineate the rain barrels. Oh, the rain barrels. Yeah. Y and and the other thing we would
be doing is we would wave the other two parking. Yes, please. We'd be asking for that. But we're waved the two parking. We are Well, I think I think there's other locations around this site where you can park if if they if you take a look at the existing condition plan. So,
I didn't have any problem myself when I looked at this site. If we wave the the other two parking spaces, you guys feel about that. They can park wherever they they can get access. I don't see any problem. Okay. Okay. Fine. There you go.
So, is that is that something that we can uh make a motion on to uh this one be All right. So, I think we should start by making a motion on waving two parking
space. I think uh Andrew has something. I just want to add that it's a coffee house. It's not a restaurant. And I hope I see you all for coffee. Oh, there we go. Wait a minute. What time do you open? If if you open it's it's six o'clock, I'll be there. But if not, I I go to
work early. He's the only guy you see in Duncan at six o'clock and sitting in the back. Yeah, they took my restaurant away. Larry's Oh, all right. All right. So, I move that we wave the two parking spaces. Okay. So, uh Warren has got one more
question. One question for David. David, in your opening remarks, I believe I heard you say you'd had some discussion with the DPW about the burn. No. Uh uh Andrew Tawi did uh our discussions with the DPW director. Okay. And and what was
the result of that? Uh, not in our lifetime or No, I think they were actively looking at it. So, they were gonna Andrew, you can tell me if I'm wrong, but I believe he said he was looking into it and they were going to put it on their list for something that needs to be corrected. They said that they were they were going to deal with
it as soon as possible. Um, they had a hard look at it and they did say that a lot of the water was coming off of the fans. Yeah, I was very surprised when they were paving uh Pawn View Avenue, they didn't bring a couple of wheelbarls down here and fix fix that. But my thing is
my thing is I see a lawyer and an engineer here. If I was the town, I'd be a little nervous about getting a couple of letters. Let's move on here. Okay. So, I got a motion to wave the two parking spaces. I second it. All right. Uh Warren chain
approve Bob to approve Bob Dubis approve and Artsboro I approve now way okay for the waiverss now I I got to bring this up because the last time I didn't it cost me a lot. Uh we're going to ask for a bond for this. Okay. And and I hate to I hate to say it
even a small bond because the last time we didn't give a bond we got uh we got taken to the cleaners. So I would suggest a small bond. Okay. not not the not the level of what was indicated by the applicant
because I just didn't see that value to work there. The may I speak to that the drainage that's on the official uh um estimate is for those drainage
structures that were shown on the first plan on the first plan that was never part of this that we withdrew. Yeah, that's what I thought. Uh, I that's why I thought that that number was was high. Look, I I wouldn't recommend 500 bucks. 500. Okay. Okay. I mean, only just
something really. Well, what do you want me to say? 5,000 25. I mean, for $500, if that's it just doesn't seem worth it to anybody to have a bond for $500. I'm sorry. Well, David, how how much you figure it's going to put the rain god
in? It's primarily landscaping. Landscaping, right? It's not the question. [Laughter] I like your $500. Now, I Listen, I you know, if that's Well, we've got 2,000 in
there for landscaping. All right. Right. Why don't we get a $1,000 bond? Okay. We're trying to be easy. Okay. I mean, our job is to make make it work. Yep. I'm sorry I'm yapping but I'm going to
get going. No, that's all right. So uh boy so for the conditions approval for the site plan uh this would be the physical features date uh data shown on the existing condition plan and on site
plan one and two dated March 14th 2025 prepared by by Clark Engineering and the condition two is certification by licensed uh uh professional that all site work is complete in compliance with the with the
plan. Those are the only two conditions and the $1,000 bond and the $1,000 bond. So, in other words, rain garden, right? Fix the back so it looks like a parking lot. That's correct. Stripe it. Mhm. That's right. That's it. And bug the
town. And bug the town, right? Okay. You don't have to put bug the town in though in the condition. Oh, no. Can Can I just make the motion? Yes, please. All that, please. I move that we do just what was suggested. Okay. Do I have a second? I second. All right.
Warren chain. Warren chain approve. Have to approve. Bob do approve and Art Spur I approve. Thank you very much. You're welcome. Thanks for your patience. All right. Next is uh
Evergreen. This is release of covenant. Uh Evergreen Lane uh drainage and subdivision. Let's see. We have Oh, David. Yes. Welcome back. All right. Uh by the way, it was
an excellent site visit that we had. I think we resolved a lot of things. I think you put it together very well. Why don't you uh walk us through? Uh David Clark, for the record, on behalf of uh Susan Shepard and Barry Payne who are in the audience, um I would agree that was
a a good uh site visit, one of the better ones I've had in a long time. Um so uh as requested um at that site visit uh I I put together uh a timeline
on how I feel this should proceed uh in accordance with the subdivision control law. Mhm. Um so we would uh get an understanding tonight that uh the the 12 ft of uh
traveled way is adequate for for one more dwelling on on this subdivision. um uh with the clearing of the roadway width to 18 ft, which is 12 ft of pavement and two foot shoulders and and
one foot BMS and that would be sufficient for the lot to be released for sale. Um there were a lot of concerns and I have the same concerns that that uh
house construction on that lot will um uh be detrimental to the road and uh for the house um a building permit is issued for the house that a bond be posted uh for the repair of the road and that
would be to uh repave it to 12 feet in width. And uh and uh if necessary regrade the the shoulders and and lman seed the shoulders so that
uh when the house uh occupancy permit it is issued the road is done has been repaired and uh the bond would be released. Um, in order to do that, uh, the
covenant would have to be amended. Um, and and what I was proposing is to add, uh, two additional light line items to the covenant. Um, in addition to uh 1 through six that's
already on the covenant, uh, number seven would be lot 1B may be sold upon the posting of a bond, bond A, as required in the statement of conditions. And number eight would be upon the posting of bond B, lot 1B shall be
released from the covenant in its entirety. Um, that way they can get a building permit. And then the statement conditions uh for this modification. Lot 1B shall be the subject shall be subject
to the terms of the covenant. Lot 1 B may be may be sold upon the posting of bond. Bond A bond A shall be for the improvements to Evergreen way which include removal of trees to a clear width of 14 ft. I said 18 feet before so
I could have fixed that. Um, installation of drainage systems shown on the approved road construction plans entitled blank because I haven't prepared them yet. Um, lot one shall lot 1B shall not be constructed upon and no
building permit shall be issued until such time as bond B is posted for the con reconstruction area of greenway as shown on the approved road construction plans. And then as an added um protection to the
planning board uh added number four the term of bond be for shall be for two years from the date of the bond's submission. Um I didn't again the numbers don't match. Uh after 5 years the owner shall provide the planning board with a new
construction estimate. Uh planning board reserves the right to require an additional bond to cover the increase in construction cost due to inflation. Yeah. the the uh proposed u statement of conditions and and your suggestions here are all good. We'll we'll make sure we
finesse these the right way. Oh yeah, absolutely. I think but we do appreciate you s uh proposing them all for us. Um I think go ahead David. The plan that was provided uh for the first meeting I did show a drainage area at the bottom of
the slope. It's shown on the plan there on the screen. It's roughly a 100 square foot area 100 square. Right. And uh I did do the since last last week I did run the storm water calculations and then that is if it's 3 ft deep it's
plenty deep for a 15-year storm event which I believe is is what the planning board approved the first back then. Yes. So uh so with that understanding um we would like to come back
um uh officially file for the modification. Right. That starts the public hearing process. That's correct. Um your next meeting is the middle of May. I don't think there's enough time to legally advertise that as a as a uh public hearing. We have added a special
meeting on May 19th, but we've already put in the um the legal ads for that had to be in on Friday. So, we would have to look at the June meeting. Okay. Um in order to do this, and the other thing is we would need you to just um um give us a letter indicating that you'd like to
withdraw the release of the covenant request because you're going to put in the amendment. Um if we have an understanding uh tonight on the the road requirement for for the first phase that bond A which is
clearing it to the 14 or eight 14 ft is what we talked about on site um and putting in the drainage. um depending on what that estimate comes in and the applicant might just go ahead and do that work, right? And then we
would ask for the release, but we would have to modify the subdivision first. Yes. Um so uh I'd like to Well, we I I think I gave us a 60-day extension. So, uh, come June
9th, um, we might be able to have the board act upon approve the modification and act upon the release the release of the newly approved modification. Um, I'd like to keep that open in short short words.
Um, so I'm not asking the the board to act on the covenant tonight. Okay. So, we're going to continue this. No, we won't continue this. We're going to actually make uh I guess what I'd like to do is get support from the board on
the steps that are outlined here in the letter from uh from Clark Engineering. The only issue I have is it does not mention the drainage in that letter. You you talk about redu uh the pavement,
but you don't actually in this letter say anything about the drain. Yeah, it's it's in the proposed statement conditions. Yes. Yeah. Y yeah. So the I would think that that would be the first step is that we're acknowledging and accepting this as the
uh an an acceptable uh procedure for resolving this. Yeah. And that will at least give you an indication that the board is uh right sort of set your wheels in motion to continue. We understand that you can't
say officially say yes, right, until the the the modification is a public hearing and it's it's so done legally. Yeah. Uh I guess I'll make a motion that uh the board um uh use the recommendations support
the recommendations outlined in the letter from Clark Engineering on April 25th, 2025 with the added provision of drainages to be included. You can't make the motion. No, I was saying I I'll make that motion. That's right. I was outlining it. I'll second
it. Okay. Um, Warren Chain. Warren Chain approve. Bob WH have to approve. Bob Dwis approve. And Artspur approve. It'll be a little quicker. Warren. Yeah. So, this was a good summary. Thanks for that. We'll be using a lot of this for
our our conditions in in your u modification. You come forward on the on the 9th and Okay. So the uh engineer has requested that we keep the the rel the release of covenant open open at this point. Do you want to uh vote on that as
well? Um do you want to just continue it or do you want to continue it to a date? Uh you said in June. Well, June 9th. June 9th. I move that we uh keep the uh release open until the June 9th. Is that
Yep. Go ahead. Release of the covenant open until June 9th. Release of the covenant. Seconded. All right. Warren chain. Warren chain approve. Bob what? You have to approve. Bob do approve. And Art Sprew. I approve. All right. All right. This Let's just
see if David's got anything else. So, um, Susan makes a good question. Okay. Go ahead. Question to me. So right now, um, there is a statement conditions and a covenant. So, uh, under that in the previous planning board approval, there's no reason why we can't go out
there and take the trees down that need to be taken down to get to the That's correct. And install the drainage. That's correct. Okay. For the June 9th meeting. All right. I just didn't want to. Yeah. It would help if you had it done before June 19th. June 9th. June 9th. Yes. Oh, June 9th.
June 9th. Yeah. Okay. Uh, that's correct. Um, I don't think that was ever off the table. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Have a good night. Okay. Uh next we have a continued public
hearing for the adoption of a change of zoning ordinances bylaw citizens petition impact jam permitted uses within the conservancy district continued from March 24th and April
14th. Uh uh you have some updates for us on this. Good afternoon. I submitted updates to the planner last week and it takes out the language that you were concerned with. The it's not in the warrant, but it's
this is what you're going to read at the at the meeting. Yes, I've already provided it to the moderator who um will guide me through the process of amending on town meeting floor. I I would think we should clarify
that this is what we're making a recommendation on. Okay. Because it's it's different than the original petition that we we received. So, any other comments or questions from the board members? No.
Can I move we close the So, what I would say what I would say to you, this was a new um he's adding uh a section M to the proposed bylaw and based on the the questions that were asked at the last meeting. Um the applicant or the petitioner um
added the words of storm water management systems to and then he took out um from his original application including the excavation filling in regarding if as necessary to direct. So
the entire thing that you are are that you will be making your recommendation on is the revised one which is section M the construction maintenance and improvement of storm water management systems to treat and infiltrate storm
water runoff into storm water drainage systems provided these systems are designed reviewed and approved pursuant to Massachusetts stormwater handbook MGL chapter 21 section Sections 26 through
53, MGL, Chapter 131, Section 40, The Town of Cadam Wetlands bylaw, Chapter 272, the Town of Cadam stormwater management bylaw chapter 238 and the various
regulations proclamated I can never say that committee they're from. Um, we have we have reached out to town council about this. Um, the recommendation that you make to the select board, you can um we'll be reaching out to the moderator
that it can be read into the record as as you've seen it as you've um with the changes in mind, but those changes will have to be brought up at town meeting at town meeting applicant. I move that we approve this new that we
vote um I guess for a positive support of this bylaw amendment as written in the April 24th a revised. Well, I think um
we're still in an open public hearing. You are. We have to close the public. First thing we have to do and I I want to just clarify if there's any comments by uh the public. Uh I want to uh just ask for that. I don't see anything here.
So then do we have a motion to close the public hearing? I move we close the public hearing. Before you second that, I want to tell you that I'm against this. Just so you know. Okay. Do whatever you want. That's okay. But still have we have a motion to
have a second meeting? No, I second. Okay. So, uh this motion on the floor to uh close the public hearing. Uh Warren Chain. Warren Chain approve. Bob Worcher. Bob Worcher approve. Bob Dis approve. And Arts Spur
I approve. Okay. So now we have a discussion and about whether we make a recommendation for this because uh I'm not I'm not in favor of this because of how much water that I see all around the place and things that go on.
I don't want to create multi multi- stuff uh be to be able to drain water into some area. I just uh I'm just against it. I'm sorry. I I I see places
that have been run have had runoff for all my life. I don't see any difference in it. I see the town do it all the time. I see people do it all the time. He he this just puts another restraint on stuff that I think should
be left alone. Yeah. Because again, this is predominantly in the conservancy district. Yeah. Yeah. This is my feeling. You guys, if you want to wait and vote on this when there's more uh players here, that's fine. It's it's
only my opinion, right? Well, right now, we won't have another meeting before town meeting. So, we'll need to make our vote uh you know, either positive or or negative associated with this. Well, well, and I you're making this you're making this vote without you know, you
could do it with what you've got here, the number people you have here. So, you feel you won't have my vote. So you can do it with what if you can you can pass it you can pass it. I'm just telling you that I'm not in favor of it. Um Bob Bob Boba. Well I'd like to hear a little bit
more. I mean this is an area that he has much more expertise than I do. So my concern all all along was it would allow um development in this area that probably wouldn't have been allowed under the old agreement. It might it
might fix some issues, but I I agree with with with Bob that most of the drainage issues have been there. They're not going to get better. They're just going to get worse. And and the idea that
um we can do some things to fix that probably in my where in my mind we probably should just not be doing anything there at all. So, I tend to agree uh with Bob on this that I rather not give
uh uh opportunities to start developing pools or whatever it is be because they couldn't do it before, but now if they put in a little storm water, they might be allowed to put in a pool where I don't think there should be
any pool. Um Warren, you have any uh thoughts on this? Well, only I'm been under a different um assumption as to what this proposal would would essentially facilitate.
Um I understood that um that common sense solutions to a drainage issue in the conservancy uh is prohibited under current bylaw and
regulations. and that um if common sense suggested that um a solution for any given proposal um came forward that there would be a way in that situation to facilitate
it. Um, not that it requires um a drainage plan for every proposal that might come along, but only that um this would provide an avenue for
permitting something which is now prohibited, which might well be considered common sense and kind of a no-brainer for a given situation in the future. Um, I certainly don't
uh I I certainly never understood that this was going to create a requirement to have a a zoning drainage plan as part of a proposal um in the conservancy district. uh but only that to the extent that
drainage could be facilitated by whatever means is appropriate in a given applicant's proposal. Uh that there'd be a way to allow it to happen um as opposed to having absolutely everything
prohibited. Um if that's a misunderstanding then I uh I think I'd go along with the way Bob is feeling about it. I my I I I think you're you're the intention is what you said. My concern is
how very um you know well-informed uh lawyers and others will be able to make it something else. Yeah. And that's my concern is that uh I don't want to open up any avenue for any kind of
development that wasn't allowed before. Um, and I just don't know that this protects that. I I agree with you that if we were all, oh, listen, this is a really I can do this thing. It makes sense.
It's simple. Uh, it will improve the property. Uh, maybe sometimes that should be done, but my my inclination is to just make it as as difficult as possible to develop in those areas. And
I'm not sure this is is in that moving in that direction. Okay. U Bob Dubis, listen, I I I don't want to sway you to what my thinking is, okay? This is to that if if you're having storm water runoff, you have to treat it. Okay? And
so you can come up with some elaborate treatment part and and that's what I'm against. I'm not against putting water, storm water here and there. I'm just the way it goes in. Uh so I would I would vote to have no
comment on this to to town meeting. I know that that's but but I cannot put my I can't do it in approval on for me and I'm sorry that there's not enough members here vote against me. Right. I
this is only my view and and my reasoning. I don't want to put it on you guys to do that. If you feel different, vote different. Uh I'm I'm just sorry that that we don't have enough to override override me. Right. Um I I have
always been uncomfortable with this. Um I wanted to wait and hear where the way this was developing. I mean, I take a look at this and when when I if you notice when I review these these properties that come before us and they
come before us, they're residential properties. They come before the ZBA uh and conservation commission and we comment on one thing, a driveway. That's it. That's all we comment on. But one of the things I take a look at and just
about every one of these sites is in the flood plane. And I I look at every one of the FEMA maps and I see, gee, this entire site is in the flood plane. I'm not quite sure what benefit this is going to do or how it's actually going to be managed or how it's going to be
dealt with and who's going to oversee it and all this part of the process. We're as a planning board, we will not be the um reviewer of this particular piece. Uh I certainly if I was going to be introducing this, I would want to first
do my homework and find out who is going to be the entity that want is going to have oversight on this. Get their input associated with this directly with us and have uh them give us some guidance on whether they think that this is a good thing or not or would they do
something slightly different. I'm not sure we had any of that input on this. So, I'm hesitant about making a recommendation for this one the way it is at this point in time. Not to say that this should go away forever. It just needs to be perhaps be uh worked
through a little bit more and so I I would almost agree with uh some of the things that Bob and Bob that you're saying that at this point I think it's better if we don't um give a positive recommendation on this.
Well, no. We'll you can't give a uh Well, we'll give a positive recommendation on and we could vote against it. Okay. Okay. I'm sorry. Believe me, I'm sorry. Katie has her hand up. Oh, thank you, Katie. Do you have some input?
No, Mr. Chairman, I was just going to make sure that the vote was made in the affirmative. The motion was made in the I'm sorry, the motion was made in the affirmative for Okay. uh the recommendation and then the board members to vote which way whichever way they want. So with that um make a go
ahead. I also saw that the uh petitioner had his hand up. Uh yes, but uh we've closed the hearing. Oh, okay. So Mr. Chairman. Um, yes. Just just so that you're aware, the board is allowed to ask questions of the petitioner and it's
up to the chair of because it's his petition, you you are allowed to ask questions and and he if he wants to speak. Um, I don't know if he can do a rebuttal, but at this point in time, he could make a comment if you, as the chair would allow it. Um, I would think
that at this point, I think we would uh like to just continue the direction that we're heading in. Um, uh, I'm not quite sure that we're going to resolve anything unless the board members are interested in that. I'm okay with letting
Okay. Um, Dad, um, thank you. You have a question that I revised I revised this based upon our previous conversations. I see no reason to revise it if you're not going to give me support. Okay. Thank you.
So that would be uh uh then essentially he's reverting back to the previous Well, I move I I move a motion that we vote to support this um uh bylaw amendment in its original
form. form. Mhm. Okay. Um as submitted by the um citizens petition. Citizens petition. Who that group is? I forget the group. All right. Do I have a second? Well, I'll second. Okay. So, um Bob
Dubis. Bob Dubis votes no. Um U Bob Worsher. No. Warren chain. I guess I have to go along with the no as well. Okay. And Art Sprew I I vote no
also. Uh I think uh this is something that can be worked on and perhaps resolved at a future point with a little bit more coordination. We'll see. So we'll make uh 04 recommendation on this at town
meeting. All right. So that leaves us with long range planning with the West Chap Neighborhood Center. Um there was I know you want to talk about um Penrose first. Oh, excuse
me. My mistake. All right. Um, this is what we've learned on Pembrose that uh we're not going to uh my advice is not to uh discuss or make a recommendation tonight. Um the
uh the plan that is being developed and introduced at the zoning board of appeals will be on May 8th and there's going to be multiple steps of reviews that will happen on this. Um the next major point after that first
introduction on the ZBA on the 8th will be June 5th. So that gives us time to actually take a look at the documents. I've just got my set today and they are different than what we had previously
seen. I think it would be a good idea if all the board members took a look at these at these documents and then we discussed this and make a recommendation to the ZBA on our May 12th meeting. So, I would defer any any real
discussion tonight until until that point. You you're saying uh I thought you you just got your documents. I just received them myself. I'm I'm being uh So now you
want to discuss this on May 12th? May 12th. I I want all the board members to get their copy of it. Short that's like two weeks, correct? Right. It is, but we we don't have a choice because of of the way the meeting
schedule is to have it any other time in order to get the comments to the ZBA. So you will get you will get the the documents. I I thought you were going to say, well, we could wait like a month or so and discuss it a few more times. That's all. I'm just making I want to be
clear about this. The the ZBA has their process, but they're going to be looking for a recommendation from us. So, you're going to listen to them. In theory, you can listen to their meeting on the ETH. On the ETH. Yeah. You know, remotely. And then um over the summer they're going to have multiple meetings going
through you know one meeting might be dedicated to drainage another meeting might be dedicated that's what's confusing me that you is so we're going to give your general comments by the 12th. Okay. Um I can get the packet the packet of just that that portion of materials out to the the dropbox for
you. Um you know within the next day or two you can get the full package um so you can start looking at them at your leisure. I just it you just struck me when you got yours that that uh you know all of a sudden well because they had come which is fine which I just want to know that
you know it was going to be that early. Yeah. So they had they had come in last last week prior uh after or prior just prior to our agenda and then we had gotten um an email from the the liaison
to the ZBA saying to hold off on the review. We didn't need to have the review thing. So that's why we didn't include them in your package. And then now we've learned today of their plan going forward. So Okay. Well, without discussing what they've presented to you that you haven't had a chance to look at
yet, um is it your understanding that they have um attempted to address some of the concerns that were raised in their presentation here? Uh or it um that would be I don't know that they have and that's why I need to take a
closer look at it. I've I've only had a chance to glance at it for about an hour so far. Uh and and I knew that we were going to be postponing this and and I would hope that on the 12th we'll have a uh more members of our board to provide
input. So that would be helpful too. I don't I don't believe we do. Yeah. I I would say to just to continue it just to be safe. It's always better to make motions. continue it to the May 12th meeting. I move we move this uh discussion to the May
12th meeting. I move I move that we move this discussion to the postpone this discussion till the and the recommendation and recommendation till the May 12th meeting. I second that.
Okay. Warren chain Warren chain approve. Bob Worcher. Bob Warcher approve. Bob Dubis approve and Artsboro I approve. Okay. So that leaves us with the U long range planning for the West Ham Neighborhood Center. Um
now I'll be honest with you, Charlene and I have I mean Christine and I have not had as much time as I would like to to put into this piece on this. Um, that's probably going to be my major uh
effort uh with her this week. The we'll need to have our slides ready for Monday and then but the uh the narrative and text of what we'll be saying we'll be working on right up until um the day
for before town meeting. So, this is just an outline of some of the things that um we're thinking of. Um, one of the things I was thinking of as is at probably on item five is where I thought
we should not um avoid some of the things that we were uh we found that were important to deal with and we I thought we successfully have addressed many of these things. how we go about introducing them. I still want to work
on um so that's gonna be my homework with uh Christine for the rest of this week and next week. So um please go ahead Warren. I would only um suggest that you uh try and mirror
the um the flow and the points that are in the video. video. Yeah. Um and you know, adding items that are not in the video tends to create a problem, not a solution to me. Um I thought the video
was really um very well done and basically covers what we want it to cover, right? And there's things you could add to it. I mean, we have four years worth of discussion going on here, so there's always things that you could
put in. Um, I even wondered whether someone like the select board could ask that we show the video during the meeting. We can't ask for that because everybody and their brother would be looking to have videos shown up all the time. We have asked about showing the
video and we're not allowed, you know, but if the town manager and the select board decided this is something that should be shown, well, that's gee reluctantly we might have to agree. I think I think doesn't the tom moderator uh actually that that's his prerogative,
right? Yes. Okay. That's you know and um so we're just as uh and the select board are just as limiting. Mr. Chairman, I I have a question. Yes. When the video is done, would it be possible to show it over the t over the our uh our our uh
television? Well, I think it's available right now. Pardon? I think it's You have It's available and it's been being shown. Okay. Okay. Um on YouTube and then I don't know if Yeah. But and you do have to go look for it. Yes. Yes. Mark is saying yes, it is being shown on our TV as well. And the reason I I
mentioned it were there was there any advertising on that like in the chronicle? Well, we were late with trying to put the pieces together. I mean, unfortunately. H Are you telling me that you were busy? Yeah. Really?
Well, and the only reason I bring it up is one, it's a very good video. It worked out better than I was hoping for. It boils down four years worth of discussion into something that I think is intelligible. But the um the several I'll say it that way, the several discussions I've had with people that I
didn't even bring up, but people who know I'm on the planning board have talked about the annual meeting and this and the size of the warrant and this that and the other. In those discussions I've had, no one has uh even been aware of the fact that
there is a proposed zoning bylaw. Far less have any understanding of what's in it. Um and my guess is that it may well be the majority of the people that are at the meeting may not have digested it. Um, and that video I
thought, gee, you know, even if it's right at the meeting would be very helpful. Um, you know, again, I don't have a strong feeling one way or the other, and I certainly don't want to set up a situation where every proposal that's going to be in town meeting is now going to have a video in front of it
forever. Um, it's only that it's it's well done and and um seems to me would be of value to a lot of people that are going to vote at the meeting. Well, it's it sort of was surprising to me that we since we started just with this
formbased zoning, there has been 20 outreach meetings with the public on this. episodes, but it was over a 4-year period of time. And that's that's part of um a challenge that we had for us. And we got down to the wire with a lot
of pushing by me to try to get this so that we could get it on this annual town meeting. And uh uh uh so far uh we have not had as many comments as I was wondering if there there might be.
Now, if they come out on town meeting floor, that's something I'm not sure how we um can can respond to if we have an opportunity to. So, I'm hoping all all your board members will be there together with us to just going to play
it by ear. Yeah. Um play it by ear. Are we allowed to sit together at the town meeting or is that a violation of No, we're going to advertise you as having a meeting so that you can um be together and speak if we need to. Yeah. And I I
would like to have that because in case something comes up with some comment on the public, a brief caucus might be something that would be helpful if we have an opportunity to respond. And so I certainly would like that input. So the
the more we're together for it's article 39 and 40. That's that's all we need to be together for. Well, um I can suggest that I I can ask tomorrow about possibly putting something in the chronicle for next week um advertising the video and then we can
ask again about putting the video out there. I don't know that it would, you know, that anybody's mind is going to change, but we can do that. Roughly um the the time period that Art has to speak is about the same amount of time as the as the video. Um five minutes or
five minutes. Four or five minutes is all they're going to give us. Yeah. Well, I would emphasize that you there's a lot of stuff on here that I would just not worry about. A1, A2, AB, and that stuff. I go right to the visualization study. Okay. Show it. Show
why it's good. show what it's mixed modal. It's uh it's got uh controls. It it it it's got our formbbased code that we've been working on that everyone is is adopting. It is it bans single family
uh developments. It's it's got we've dealt with the runway production. I mean, definitely address these and short-term rentals and short-term rentals and and make sure that you have a it we've taken care of all of that, but I would just show them this picture
of this way that we want this this is what we were envisioning. This is a a this is everything we've talked about. And um so a lot of the recommendations on here are recommendations that Katie has made
based on other other um town meeting things that she's here in town. But but I would say to you I I would I would say if as you guys read all of this tonight or tomorrow or whatever if you want to send an email to me with any other things that you might think of that would be fabulous because because nobody
knows this. You have five minutes to to describe it. describe if you start getting in all these details nobody they want to know why would why would we spend four years doing this doing this and why it's important and um and I think that and
what it doesn't do those are the two areas why why we went out what it what it's going to do and that visualization is the best means of doing that yeah I I thought some of the things that uh I heard from Katie uh
today and I had um Christine put it down. These are predictable outcomes with design guidelines. That's what this bylaw is doing, which is which is different than the other bylaws that we have in place associated with
development like this. So, this I hope is a template of how we want a village center to be and it'll give it an easier uh piece of information for an applicant who comes forward and says we're doing a lot of your homework in here. If you
follow this, you're going and here's the illustration of where we're what we wanted to be. That's something that they can sort of mark like march in our door here without too many obstacles in front of them. Okay, I keep going back to one of the
very first things we ever heard as a board when we were handed this uh project and that was that uh okay formbbased zoning. Well, what's that? Nobody ever heard of it here really. But the whole idea was formbbased zoning focuses on what we want it to look like
look like. Y you know over time this is what it's going to look like as opposed to the current bylaw which says this is a list of all the things you can't do. do, right? Yeah. And that's not very helpful in envisioning what it might look like. And that's the the defining
characteristic, I think, of what we've come up with. Everything else is tailored to fit the situation and the issues that we've had and uh our other objectives, obtainable affordable housing. Yep. Uh restricting, prohibiting short-term rentals, on and
on and on. Um, but it's really this is what it'll make it look like. If we don't have a zoning bylaw, all we have is what's there, which is a list of what you can't do. Yeah. Which means not good is what that means. Um,
so anyway, um, but I still would love to be able to have the people that are there, half of which have never going to have read the bylaw, uh, and, um, don't really have an opinion about it, to let them see the video, but which has in it the the, um,
the renderings, right? And it's really quite it's really good. Um, and that's why I'm suggesting that the more you put those pictures up there, the better. Yeah. I think that's absolutely good advice. Um I I like um um Christine's um
suggestion about perhaps uh putting putting that in the um the chronicle and the link hopefully. Sounds good with a couple of the renderings. Yeah. Right. So yes, even with that
can't read that Mikeet in the main sheet. Main sheet. Yes. Okay. Got it. Good suggestion. Thank you. Uh any other uh comments for tonight board members?
No. No. Move to adjourn. Second. Okay. Warren. Warren Jane approve. Have to approve. Bob do approve. Art spur. I approve. And the time is 6:48.
657. 657. I apologize. [Music] [Music]