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You're on. >> Okay. Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the August 5th, 2025 meeting of the Cadam Select Board. Please note that this meeting is being recorded and will be available shortly
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certain COVID 19 measures adopted during the state of emergency suspending certain provisions of the open meeting law Massachusetts General Laws chapter 38 section 20 until June 30th, 2027. This meeting of the Cadam Select Board is being conducted in person and via remote participation. Every effort will
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able to provide real-time access. We will post a record of this meeting on the town's website as soon as possible. The first item of business is to establish a quorum. Miss Davis, >> present. >> Miss D. Mr. Dykins, >> present. >> Mr. Meadows, >> present. >> Mr. Smith,
>> present. And >> the chair is present. So, we have a unanimous quorum. Uh we will have initially um several p public hearings and then we will proceed to the usual items on our agenda. Uh and I will outline the
business agenda later. So uh our um administrative assistant is available remotely and our town manager is here as well. Uh first we have a um um section on public announcements and
agenda item item requests. The caption for the public announcements and agenda item requests was inadvertently uh omitted from the agenda as posted, but I am going to entertain these now per usual as required by two board policies and I have confirmed with town council
that it is okay to do so. So, I'll first um I have a number of announcements that I want to um make and then I will proceed uh with the uh my colleagues on the board and then from the public. First, I want to acknowledge the passing
of um former firefighter who served for 11 years in our department here. Um Gerald Moore, Jerry Moore. He also served on the parks and recreation commission. uh he was an EMT and very much involved in service to the community. He had a landscaping business
and I know others uh on this board knew him. I did not know him myself, but our thoughts go out to him to his family and and friends and I ask you to acknowledge him and your thoughts. Thank you. Secondly, uh I do want to
announce that um I've called a special meeting of the select board next week, August the 12th, at 5:00 p.m. in this room to hold a public hearing to consider adopting higher water rates and stiffer fines for unmeated irrigation
water use. Following that meeting, which I hope and expect will conclude sometime after five o'clock, the annual summer town meeting uh that is being programmed by the summer residents advisory committee will take place in this room.
Uh next, I uh want to uh acknowledge that um at the regular board meeting on August 19th, we will be taking up Mr. Smith's um requested agenda item to discuss the residential tax exemption.
Uh I propose of the subject of tax relief. I um am planning uh to place on the agenda sometime in September, probably in the latter part of the month, an agenda item request by select select board member Dykans
uh and on the subject of um um real estate tax relief uh uh opportunities. uh we hope to have a presentation from the assessing department and I will include on that same agenda some specific proposals as requested by uh
former select board member Seth Taylor. Uh additionally uh we have established a tax assistance committee um at our most recent meeting and we are accepting applications from those who would like to serve on it. We have three public
positions and those applications are due on the 15th of this month. We will conduct some interviews for that committee at our August 19th meeting. And once all the interviews have been uh concluded
uh assuming we do or don't get additional applications, we will then proceed to um fill those positions. I would like to do do them at in one fell swoop at one meeting. And finally, with respect to tonight's
agenda, uh, agenda item three, Roman numeral 3 C, which is to consider entering into the Commonwealth site readiness program technical assistance grant agreement, relative to the housing and uh, affordable and attainable
housing development at Meeting House Road. I will entertain contemporaneous public comment on that particular agenda item. With that said, I think I've covered everything. Um, I will ask if any other board members have any uh agenda item
requests or announcements. Mr. Meadows. >> Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um, basically, I usually give a big uh outreach for public participation on our boards and committees, but I want to do a a highlight of uh two particular committees. Um, one, conservation commission. I spoke with the chair
recently and just to see how things were going. What can I do? Find members. Find me associate members. Um, associate members serve one-year terms. Um, it's a great opportunity to learn the process, get involved um, with I must say minimal participation, but you you do
participate. You you sit at the meetings, you do the resource research. So, if there's anyone interested in serving on the conservation commission, uh, the chair and myself would be very grateful for those that step forward, fill out a talent form. uh we'll have a very straightforward interview uh
process and we'd be more than happy to fill those open seats on the conservation commission. Uh the second committee I want to just kind of highlight is our Independence Day parade committee. Um as you could tell from July 4th last year or this year, um we
had quite a event. Uh quite a few people were in town. Um there's a lot of planning that goes into this. Um and one of our uh members has decided to step down. So there is at least one opening. Um you know the committee if there is a greater interest we could always up the
membership if necessary. But uh I'm I'm calling out anyone who would be willing to sit uh serve in the uh one open seat and if there's others out there then we could entertain you know other options for expansion of the committee. But um you know it is almost a year away but
there is a lot of planning involved. So, if anyone anyone is willing to serve, uh, please consider putting your name forward to the town and, um, we will interview you. So, thank you very much. >> Anything else from the board, Mr. Smith? >> Sure. Thank you. Um, there's a few
things uh I'd like to ask for uh to be placed on an agenda. One is the um the expired town council contract. I think you and I chatted about that. um >> and how we might move forward uh in obtaining a um town council.
>> Mhm. >> Um number two, I'd like to chat about returning to a regular schedule um on or about uh September 9th as opposed to waiting till October 15th. I think there's a lot of
things in front of us that uh that I'm not sure are getting the correct amount of attention and um so that'd be one uh thing I'd like to chat about and >> okay >> and I don't expect that these will happen. >> You're probably not going to get a whole lot of support on that one but we'll uh
we'll put that on for um sometime uh this month so that you'll have an opportunity to talk about it. >> Sure. Um the the third thing is a uh public uh select board public policy discussion on uh the Main Street um affordable housing trust uh housing
project. And the um fourth thing is to reaffirm the four 4-7 of the town charter um and the discussion uh surrounding that issue. >> What is that? What is >> on the the on the 4-7 is the uh
authority under the town manager for the hiring of personnel personnel contracts union contracts. >> Okay. I was just want to return to the third one. >> Could you just re repeat what you said? >> Yeah. Public discussion. I think you said
>> select board policy directive um on the Main Street uh affordable housing trust uh project. Okay. Do we have enough information from that to know what how to place that? Do we
need to get a little more flesh it out a little bit more? What what you'd like to I just on that third >> item >> number four >> item number three. I mean, what the housing project? >> Yeah. Okay. >> What are you looking I just wanted to know how to frame this? >> Well, I I I as you know, the select
board appoints the affordable housing trust uh folks. >> Yeah. >> And um to my knowledge, unless I'm mistaken, there's uh there's been no general policy discussion on um uh guiding that process. um uh concerns
that the neighbors may have and uh the board's position on that. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you. Anything else from the board? Anything from the public? Mr. Levit
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'm Rick Levit, 31 Barnhill Road. I have an agenda item request tonight. Currently, the town is considering two affordable housing projects under the state's zoning law.
It will be helpful for those of us supportive of the affordable housing initiative if the law if that law, the state law is clarified. My agenda item request is discuss legal issues with respect to
affordable housing regarding range of action available to the zoning board of appeals planning board and the select board under Massachusetts general laws chapter
40B. I'll leave a copy of this request uh with you. >> Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Levit. Um, and I'm familiar with it because we've had some conversation about it. It is my intention to put that on for the 19th of
August. Um, and um, the request request is um, as I view it as a generic request, we will have Thank you. We will uh, have the availability of town council that night. We will focus on the
legal issues that you have raised. It will not be specific to any particular application before the zoning board. Thank you. Anything else? Uh Nicole Stern, is that you? >> Yes. Good evening. I'm Nicole Stern. My
public announcement is also a reminder that next Tuesday in this room, there is a public hearing on irrigation rates and fines at 5:00 p.m. That's August 9th at 5:00 p.m.
This is an important meeting to attend if you pay a water bill because for over three and a half years, somewhere between 700 and 1,500 other water customers have irrigation systems using
town water have not installed the mandated second meter and have not paid the higher rate for that service. So the rest of us subsidize them. This is not equitable.
Please come to the meeting and encourage our select board to take immediate action. No more warnings and delay in levening fines. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. Oh, I thank you. Thank you, Mr. Dur. And I It
is uh the meeting is on August 12th. I think you said the 9th by mistake, but thank you. Uh that's going to take place. It's been published in the newspaper. Thanks very much. Anyone? Anyone else either in the audience or online? I see nobody.
Thank you. Uh so our next item of on the agenda are three public hearings. The first um has to do with NStar Electric Company. And I'll ask the town clerk, I'm sorry, I'll ask the board's clerk, Mr. Smith, to read the public hearing notice, and we will open the public hearing.
>> Town of Chattam Select Board public hearing notice. The Chattam Select Board will hold a public hearing at 5:00 PM on Tuesday, August 5th, 2025 in the large meeting room at the town office annex 261 George Ryder Road Chattam Mass and remotely via Microsoft
Teams platform to consider the petition for Nstar Electric Company, DBA, Eversource Energy to install 50 ft plus or minus 1 to 3 in of conduit and one handhold 57
HA10 for new underground service to the customer located at 161 Queen Anne Road. The public is welcome to attend the meeting in person and participate via link and the meetings posted agenda. >> Thank you. Um Marissa Jackson, I see
you're online. Do you want to take this on? Welcome. >> Yes. Thank you very much. Marissa Jackson again with Eversource. So what we're proposing this afternoon is the install again of one handhole. Our starting point would be at an existing
pole along the roadway. It's 57 over 10. From there, the handhole and then approximately 50 feet of 13inch conduit and that would go to a customerinstalled handhole to provide underground service
to our customer at 161 Old Queen Anne. And that being said, I'd be happy to address any questions if there are any. >> Thank you. Uh before we get into questions from the board, uh we did receive um communication from the director of public works. I will read
it. It's very short. Um I have received notice of the public hearing to be held on August 5th, 2025 regarding Instar Electric Company doing business as Evers Source Energy requesting to install one new handhole and a plus or minus 50 ft of conduit to a customer at 161 Old
Queen Road. Old Queen End Road is a town road and was last paved in 2021 when the new granite curban sidewalk was installed. Since it has been fewer than five years since Old Queen End Road was last paved, the Department of Public Works requests that non-destructive
methods be used to install the conduit using trenchless technology/directional drilling to prevent damage to the road and sidewalk. So, I read that because I wanted to ask, is that the approach that the electric company's going to take?
It certainly is. I was able to confirm with our contractor that it will be bore under the road for you. >> Okay. Thank you. Rob, did you have anything you wanted to add? Thank you. Uh, any questions or comments from the board? Anything from the public?
>> Hearing none. Um, is there a motion? >> Move approval, Mr. Chairman. >> Is there a second? >> Second. >> Moved and seconded. We'll call the role. Miss Davis. >> I. >> Mr. Dykens. >> Hi, >> Mr. Smith. >> I >> Mr. Matters. >> Hi. >> Chair votes I. So, thank you. It's
granted. >> Next is >> Thank you very much. >> You're welcome. >> Next is a um public hearing to consider placement of two temporary speed bumps on Kent Place from the traffic safety committee. And I'll ask the clerk to read the public hearing notice and open
the public hearing. >> Town of Chattam Select Board public hearing. The Chattam Select Board will hold a public hearing on Tuesday, August 5th, 2025 at 5:00 pm in the large meeting room at the town office annex 261 George Ryder Road to consider
placing two temporary speed bumps on Kent Place during peak times May through October placed at the discretion of the Department of Public Works. All part all interested parties are encouraged to participate in person or remotely via the link on the posted agenda. >> Thank you. So, the chair of the traffic
safety committee, Joan Craig, um it will present. Joan, welcome. >> Thank you. Good evening. Thank you all. Um after several meetings and discussions with residents of Kent Place, the traffic safety committee voted four to zero to recommend two
temporary speed bumps as mentioned on Kent Place from May to October placement at the discretion of the DPW director. um with the stipulation that we reassess the speed bumps. We said in the spring of 2026, but I know that if this should
pass, that may have to be extended. The traffic safety committee feels this is a unique situation, one that should uh not quote set a precedent unquote in town. This has been something that our committee has been uh
dealing with since 2022. Uh trying to work with our committee, with DPW, with um the uh police department, and with the residents. It's a very difficult situation. It's one
that we normally say no to because we're not in favor of speed bumps, speed bumps or speed uh humps per se. However, this is, as you well know, uh a path going into town
for which a number of individuals walk, ride, take carriages, wagons, um trucks, SUVs, deliveries um of all types, day and night. We feel that it is
a situation that is dangerous. Um we've been torn about this. the um the DPW director and our liaison, the deputy chief of police have done yman's work
both um individually and together with our committee and with me as we've walked the area continuously. They've taken measurements. They've discussed it with us. They've done extra work on this. And I know it's um not favorable
by a number of individuals. However, we're bringing this before you because we feel based on all the other ideas that have come before us or have been suggested by some of us at our meetings since 2022, um, this is what we're
presenting. >> Thank you. Um, I do have some thoughts on this, but I'll defer them until after I hear from other board members or from from the public. Does any board member want to speak at this time? Shireen, you were first. >> Yeah, thank you. Joan, just uh can you explain to the public how the assessment
process is going to work or the reassessment of of the bumps? I mean, what are some of the things that that you'll be Yeah. assessing? >> What we're assessing? >> Yeah. Or the police department is I >> I think you would have to defer to them. Uh we're looking at something similar to
what you might see at the beaches that have those temporary bumps that are put in place and then taken up. um they have the yellow stripe on them. Uh there would most likely have to be a sign that mentions to individuals coming
into the road that there is speed bumps. Uh anything else I would defer to the appropriate >> Yeah. I'd like to know how you're going to assess it because I mean it's you know you're not going to have cameras and things like that. >> Chief Melone, do you want to >> Yeah. Thanks. >> Thanks.
>> Good evening. L Mone, Deputy Chief of Police. I'll do my best to answer that question. Um, unfortunately the last bit of data I have from Kent Place is from last Labor Day. I had an older piece of equipment out all this week and unfortunately it didn't collect the data
we were hoping it did. Um, there's a lot of volume on Kent Place. There's a lot of traffic volume. Um, which I think is really the main issue. Um last Labor Day weekend there we we had it out for four days and it counted
861 vehicles. Um so it is quite a cut through. I don't based on data only data that speed is necessarily the issue on Kent place. I think the max speed that we had recorded last day weekend was 28 miles an hour and the average speed was
16 miles an hour. Um again I I think it's it's volume. Um, and you know, to answer your question on how how are we going to tell if it works, I I think we'd, you know, be at the defer to the the residents who are there to, you
know, ask them if they've seen improvement. Um, maybe the speed bumps will slow the cars down, but it's a very narrow road and I think, you know, I try to avoid it. Um, I think two-way traffic on that road is is just tough. So I I don't I don't know the solution, but the
residents of Kent Place have come before the board several times. I've been at several of the meetings. So >> I I appreciate that. I I just wanted, you know, if just the value of it to like either affirm or or not affirm, you know, the next decision-m process, but
clearly it's not a very safe road. It's, you know, it there's multiple users. It's a virtually a one-way one lane road or should be. But um yeah, I I can I can I can of support this. >> Yeah. >> Thanks, Corey.
>> Um well, you answered my first question because I was asking about signs. You know, that would either slow or bump or some kind of notification I think would be required. So, you've already answered that question and I guess my second part of the my second thought was it going to be is it speed versus volume?
If the volume is the biggest issue, then the bumps I guess what is the thought process of the bumps remedying some of this because bumps are usually meant for speed slowing people down. >> Volume a bump isn't at least in my
interpretation of how you functionality is. >> Um can you convince me how that's going to solve a volume issue? >> Right. Do you want to take a >> I'm not sure it will. However, we know
that it is a path pathway and I use that term loosely, but it used to be a pathway. Um, we feel because there are children going in and out of that area. If you remember, we have an ice cream shop
there. We have people walking from Oyster Pond to come that way and um walking downtown. We have uh SUVs. We have vans. I think the biggest thing is the safety
of everyone. We have a sign is it 15 miles >> 10 10 >> 10 a sign and it's it's a recommendation 10 miles per hour. That's it's it's not necessarily the speed. It is the volume that we're looking at. And it's the volume of
bikes, pedestrians, kids on bikes, um wagons, trucks, cars, people. Anybody else? Corey and then Jeff. >> I'm sorry. Stuart then Jeff. Our >> Sure. Um, you had mentioned in your
opening statements that uh there were some folks who may not be in support of this. Have you heard from them or what was their opposition? >> I personally have not. And um at the meetings that we've had since 2022, it's because the people that bring it before
us are in favor of doing something. We have looked at one way. We have looked at the possibility and it's not a possibility of closing off the other end of the dead end because we don't hone that area. We've looked at um
a number of different issues. We've looked at also um and I don't know if it might happen in the future considering uh deliveries at a certain time. I know that was also brought up in the paper recently. That's something that we have discussed. So we've looked
every which way at what can be done. >> Sure. >> There is there I know Rob is here failey and I know um he's not in favor of any kind of speed bumps and we're very much aware of that and he can speak to that. We just feel
that this particular place and for those who might be listening or in the audience that know don't know where it is, it is uh behind our public lot and uh goes out to cross street and uh it is a cutthroat. It's a cut through for
everybody going both ways. And that's what's so tough because it is, as mentioned earlier, it is really not a two-way street. But >> yeah, I kind of share Corey's questions about speed bumps are meant to slow people down and this is a volume issue, so I
don't know how how effective it'll be, but I I appreciate you. Thank you. >> Thank you, >> Jeff. >> Joan, thank you. Deputy Chief Mala, thank you. Um given that we've heard that is a volume issue. Um I I really I guess Joanie, why
did you guys not recommend one way? And I and my PE brain I'd have it one way coming from the parking lot to cross street because it's such a narrow road. I I I I think that that's more my answer than speed bumps. You know, >> I can't I think I can talk about some of
the discussion. I can't speak for the committee, but I think the thoughts were was that making it a oneway would then open up the town hall parking lot um to be more of a roadway than a a parking lot. Having to come through the parking
lot to get down Kent Place. And I think also um it's at the top of Kent Place um where the sign shop is. I believe that lot part of that lot there is private. So it would then be, you know,
it bringing cars across private property to get down a one way and I don't think it was and also people that live at the top of place would have to change their route. So I I just didn't think that the committee thought it was a feasible solution. Um >> I would agree with that and the other
piece to that is it would mean more traffic going on to cross street if in fact that was the most logical way to do it. whereas, you know, now we have at least the chance that it goes on cross or on main. So, that was another issue.
>> Huh. Well, I Yeah, I Okay. I mean, I'm I'm not unwilling to try speed bumps. I don't like them in general, and you guys don't either, >> right? >> But if the road's so narrow and if safety is a concern, um, we don't have sidewalks, there's no room for them. I
guess I I would make it one way. That that's my input. But I'm not going to be opposed to speed bumps. Let's give it a go. Give it a try. But it's just so narrow. I'd make it one way. I would. That's what I'd do. >> Stuart, you had a follow-up question. >> Sure. Um I I think Joan, you had mentioned or Lou that uh the 10 mph
speed limit, it's it's a recommendation. >> It's an advisory. >> Oh, it's an advisor. >> Advisory sign. >> What What would the normal speed limit >> settled 30 m hour? >> Oh, it used to say >> it's the speed bumps. Okay. >> It used to say it used to say 15 and it's down
>> 15. The sign was bent for a long time and now it's 10. Who made who made the decision? Is that the police department that puts that up? >> That was No, it was it was not >> safety >> traffic safety committee instructed the DPW to do it because I don't recall it
ever coming before this board on the 10 mile per hour sign. >> I don't have my records with me. >> Yeah, I don't recall. >> Have to check that. >> Okay. Um I'll open it up for public comment. Miss M Miss Mr. Phillips first.
Come to the podium. >> Brian Phillips, 374 Orleans Road. Um, I've actually done a little investigating uh on this. I went down and talked to the Chalkers, Jamie and Donnie Chalker. Can you guys hear me? >> Closer. >> Little closer. All right. And um it's
not volume, it's speed. And um I think a lot of it is uh employees that work in the in that parking lot over there are speeding to work because it's people that know the roads and are able, you know, are feel comfortable speeding on it. So it's definitely the speed is the issue, not necessarily the volume. Maybe
it's the volume of like the pedestrians and the and the the bicyclists that make it uh dangerous. Um I mean I'm I'm against speed bumps, but something definitely needs to be done. Um so it's it's a 30 mph zone down there. Well, everything's 30 miles unless otherwise
posted in town. That's the state law. >> Okay. So, you So, you guys couldn't even really give speeding tickets out. You guys haven't given any speeding tickets out down there? >> We have not. >> Okay. Um it's kind of tough to get up to 30 on that road to give out speeding tickets. >> Um but there, you know, there are people
driving too fast uh down that road. And I mean, speed bumps might not be a terrible idea for like a temporary solution. And uh Donny's request was that it be the ones that are um you know a little more forgiving and not
the ones that are you know kind of like that. You know you know what I'm talking you know what I'm talking about. Um so I mean it's a tough situation because it's you know it's pretty much employees being down that road. >> Thank you. Anyone else? You sir
and then Rob after. Good evening. Uh, thank you. My name is Steve Principy. Um, I'm a resident. Um, I live at 49 Cross Street. So, I'm the home on the corner of Kent and Cross. Uh, my family uh, I'm a father of four children. Um, my wife and I have been
leading the effort uh, for the last several years about this issue. I would wholeheartedly agree with the previous speaker that um, speed is a factor. I certainly understand that the measurements last um Labor Day maybe indicated that the average was 16, but of 800 cars, that still leaves quite a
few cars going north of 16. Um we sit there all day. We watch this. Our neighbors watch this. There's a lot of kids that live on the street. As mentioned before, it is a walkth through. Lots of families walk through, renters, residents, etc. going to Emac
and Bolios, which is right there at the end of the road. Um, unequivocally it appears to us because we pay attention all day. It is used as a cutthrough. People that work mo primarily work I think at the Squire and other establishments avoiding the traffic on
Main Street. They understand they can cut through. They go ripping down that street fast. Trucks do it. Delivery trucks are doing it all the time. Um, it's a real concern. Um, I have been fearful for years, which is why we've brought this in uh before the traffic safety committee several times that it's
going to result in an accident. Um, I understand speed bumps aren't perfect, but to try it and let us observe and see if it actually helps slow people down or maybe even deter some of the traffic elsewhere, we think would be hugely helpful. Um, trying to think what else we covered.
Um, I think that that that's effectively it. the one-way street. I guess I'll just add um we this came up. We were pushing primarily to see if it can be converted into a dead end, which our understanding was it was a long time ago. Um the problem with the one-way street exiting from the municipal lot,
um is that we number one believe it would drive higher volume, right, coming down the street one way. Also, it's completely unfair to the residents who live there who have driveway access who would then have to travel through a packed municipal lot in order to get to and from their homes. So it would
require all of us to then sit in the municipal lot with all the tourists trying to find parking just to get to our homes. So we all felt that wasn't really a fair solution to us and too punitive. Um so our ask is to is to let us try this. Um whether it's the speed bump or a hump, we think it could be
effective and uh again this is all about the safety of our kids and the residents. So we appreciate your consideration. >> Let me ask you a question sir. >> Yes. So, what if you had a lower speed limit and and the speed limit were officially endorsed and the t and tickets started to be issued to speeders. Do you think that would help address this the speed issues?
>> That's a great question. I I don't know. I think that it's said 10 to 15 miles per hour for quite a while and people are still driving at that speed. So, it appears to me that no one's really concerned about >> Well, the problem is we is that's a recommended >> Yeah. limit and we would have to um and
we have the authority I believe under the state law to declare a particular street to be at a lesser speed limit. The standard speed limit as we said is 30 miles per hour on every street in Chadam. Um and um but if we did declare it 10 miles hour or 15 miles per hour
and the chief is here he can speak to it um we can we could enforce that and start issuing some tickets and I mean that's another approach. I I just wondered if that had been considered by the maybe the traffic safety committee is one of the options. But thank you for your for coming forward. >> I appreciate it.
>> Uh any Rob Philly, the DPW director, >> the fire chief. >> Uh thank you, Mr. Chair. So, uh Deputy Chief Mel Zone and I work closely with the traffic and safety committee on a number of different issues. I have to respectfully disagree with this
proposal. Um, I think the committee uh wrote in their letter that they feel that this should not set a precedent in town, meaning speed bumps. Um, but since the announcement of this hearing, we've already had two additional requests for speed bumps in other areas of town. What I'm trying to prevent is having DPW
staff spend all spring putting out speed bumps and spend all all picking up speed bumps because they have to be removed for winter for plowing and snow removal. Um the temporary speed bumps are anchored into the pavement using either spikes or lag bolts. So when they're
removed, there are holes in the pavement. Wintertime water infiltrates there. Uh the water expands when it freezes. It pops the pavement. So it it ends up with a early deterioration of the pavement structure. Um, we did do
shot some profiles down Kent Place to save maybe speed tables or speed humps were something that could be used. Those are what you see typically. Um, I think West Barnstable has them on Route 6A. They're kind of like a plateau, like a speed a permanent pavement speed bump
with like a plateau on it. It would create a lot of drainage issues on Kent Place. So, it wasn't something that would be like readily handled. we'd have to install uh catch basins and things because it would create some ponding issues. So, I think that's a better solution if we were going to do
something, but it's I think it's a much larger cost involved, a much larger effort involved. So, I'm against the uh the temporary speed bumps. >> Thank you. Any other members of the public in the audience or online? So, I have a few questions. Chief, am I
correct in saying that if that the board could um adopt a low a lesser speed limit >> and that could be enforced with ticketing? >> I'd have to do some research. I'm not sure what the authority is. >> We couldn't do that tonight anyway because we'd have to have a public hearing on it.
>> I'd have to do some research. Um, but I but I just wanted to clarify and be clear that anytime we gather data using a piece of technology and whether it be Ken Place or anywhere in town, you know, fortunately we've seen that the average motorist is traveling the speed limit or
less. That doesn't mean that I will stand in front of you and say there's there's not a speeding problem because if >> yeah, >> someone's doing 40 and a 30 that that could be a problem that could raise concern. So, I'm just talking about this unique issue that, you know, I won't
stand in front of anybody and say that there's not people who go fast down that road. There's just a lot of people that travel that road and just by the data that we had was that volume was >> I also think if you should one way it or close off the
so-called dead end of it, wouldn't that impede the fire department's ability to drive vehicles through if there were an emergency downtown, they couldn't get through Main Street? part of that uh area is privately owned
>> by the business. >> Right. >> So, it's my understanding we would not have the right to do that. >> Yeah. But I think in an emergency they can >> The other thing that I would point out is the average person going down that street sees a low speed limit posted
right now and it really doesn't matter. >> It's posted at one end only. Is it posted at the other end? I believe it's only the cross street end. >> Just on the cross street end. It's not posted on the other side. I have a I have a couple of other questions. Um
I don't like speed bumps. Is this Joan Joan mentions some speed bumps at the beaches. Do we have any speed bumps on any other t road in town? just private roads is as far as I'm >> those those are put there by the the owners of those roads
>> because they have associations >> but there are no municipal speed bumps >> not that I'm aware of >> I do think it would set a set a precedent anything sets a precedent in this town Rob just said um I I I don't like it aesthetically
I don't think this is the solution and I live in the general neighborhood um I would rather see us pursue to and I appreciate the the neighbors concerns about speed and and the concerns that have been expressed about volume which
the committee has looked at but I I just think it gives aesthetically it's terribly displeasing to me. Uh it it's a cidified look and we have enough of that already going on in this town. I could mention some areas that concern me but I
won't. Um, so I'm not going to support this and I would suggest that the traffic safety committee, if it wants to continue addressing this issue, which I I think is a legitimate one, uh,
consider a a reduction in the speed limit and presenting that to the select board for adoption. But I'm I'm going to be a no vote on this one. >> Mr. Mr. Chair, I I because I I'm I'm I'm concerned about the safety issues that you know, having used that road and seen
>> pedestrians um on the road and not enough room to navigate cars and I got a little car, but um you know, bigger trucks and whatnot. what would be the harm in doing the temporary speed bumps, you know, for the interim and then um
you know have Rob come back with a with a recommendation on on the the different version like the feasibility of it and then the cost of what that would be um as as one of the solutions. I I don't
think I I'm I'm I'm not, you know, there's a sign post that says, you know, recommended 10. Nobody's looking at it. And if we're not, you know, people aren't people aren't looking at speed signs anymore, it seems. And and uh or, you know, we have to have flashing speed
signs now everywhere so that they will uh pay attention to their to their speed. So, it's just a it's a neighborhood in the middle of a a really busy busy busy town center and um you know, I think these neighbors have dealt with deal deal with a lot of of issues
with u being being in that area and I I think safety is is the concern that I see here. >> Well, I to your first qu to your initial question I you know I obviously if the board wants to pro proceed in that direction it can. I just again I just think it sets a precedent. But there
there are a lot of safety issues. I I was crossing the crosswalk. I was in the middle of the crosswalk at the Rotary this afternoon, two hours ago, and some woman is driving a car Massachusetts plate and just ran through the cross drove right through the crosswalk when I was
halfway through. >> So that's my point exactly that that >> this time of year there's safety issues all over town. Unless you have a police officer in every on every street corner, we're going to have to deal with these things. >> But we have a neighborhood that is wanting to deal with it, and I'm just trying to respect that.
>> I I understand. I respect your position on it. Jeff, did you have something? >> Yeah. No, I I I echo I I'm paying attention to the resident that spoke both on the oneway, which is was not a great idea because you're right, the residents would have to would have to go through the parking lot all the time. So, that fact in of itself throws a lot
lot of cold water on my oneway notion. But I'm also willing to to give it a try. I'm giving it may maybe in the summertime and in the fall and then remove them in the winter. So, you know, I don't know. Um, but I'm willing to give it a try. Um, it's something if there is a speed issue and I hear there
is a speed issue by the resident, then uh I think I'm I'm willing to give it a try and um on a temporary basis. Thanks, >> Corey. >> I'm very sympathetic to the neighbors, but I mean, let's be let's be crystal clear. This is not isolated to this area. I mean, unfortunately, the driving
behavior in the community um for many people is atrocious. I mean, you can see that downtown, you can see it outside of town. It is not isolated into one street. Um I I struggle a little bit because, you know, we we rely on our staff for
recommendations. um you know, if we do these temporary um speed bumps, are we, you know, impacting the roadway that all the taxpayers are going to have to deal with at some point? Um I, if I understood correctly, there may be
another more permanent remedy, uh which may or may not be supported, but if that were an option, is it better to pursue that? Because I do think other people are going to be looking for this. I I truthfully do. Um, and if it's a better, more stable process to do that, um, do
we get that ironed out? Um, with the expectation there's going to be more roadways that are going to be asking for this, which rightfully so. >> If I may, that that very question came up at our last meeting when, um, we discussed this and Rob did a phenomenal
job of really uh, drafting um, a printout for us to look at it. what what that would have to happen in order to do the speed humps which are the ones that he mentioned that >> are not the small mounds. They're a
little more um constructed >> and it would require as he said some issues with regards to water runoff and budgetw wise right now was one of the reasons why it's not in the budget. it
would be costly and that's why it was presented to the committee at that time to consider a temporary fix, see if it works and then reconsider. So that's why we brought that before you. >> All right. Thank you.
>> Anyone else from the board? There is uh someone online AP. Who is that? >> AP. >> I Yeah. Can you hear me? >> Yes. Please identify yourself. >> Hi. >> Yeah. So, my name is Adrianne Principi.
Um, I am the wife of Steve who who just spoke. >> And, um, I just wanted I just I I wanted to ask um, well, I wanted to make one comment. I I realize that safety is a concern all over town. And
we obviously we live in town, so we walk a lot. Um, we walk to the baseball games and we walk out to Lighthouse Beach and all around town. And I will say that the fact that the road is so narrow and so many people walk down this road. There
is no sidewalk. Um, that this I do feel like this that we should as a community be prioritizing safety over aesthetics. and the fact that the speed bumps don't look nice shouldn't be the reason why we choose not to install them. Um so I I
would just you know ask the committee to consider the safety piece. Um we would prefer that the you know we call this the lane right all the residents call it the lane because it is a really small um
roadway and I would encourage the you know if the speed bumps aren't passed that is not our first choice. Our first choice would be to make the road a dead end. Um and if the road is even though the lot is privately owned the road is
public. So, I would think that there would be a way to block the end of the lane as it was previously blocked um in years past. So, those are just the the two comments that I wanted to make. I'm sorry I couldn't get my hand up sooner.
>> That's all right. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. Anyone else from the public? Yes, sir. My name is Peter Gaines and I'm here actually on an entirely different issue but listening to the discussion if uh
you enter uh Kent Place from Cross Street and at the end where the last house is before you get to the Chattam Sign Company. If if at that point if that's privately owned, isn't Kent Place
basically tantamount to being a dead end anyway? And why not make it official? It's just a uh listening to the conversation. I think it is, but I think what we're hearing is that
well, people are going to come through the parking lot, try to come through that parking lot, >> but but I I guess a question for Joan would be with the with the numbers that she gave of 800 and something cars, I don't remember what number was, >> do they know uh which way they were
going? In other words, was the majority coming from uh from uh cross street to the parking lot or was it coming from Main Street to cross street? >> Chief, >> I just was an observer. >> Oh, I appreciate >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Thank you, Peter. Chief, do you have any response to that?
>> I can comment on that and again, I apologize for using almost a year old data, but uh 643 vehicles came from Cross Street, 218 came from either the parking lot or the upper lot. Is is that over the period of 3 days or just one day?
>> No, no, that was over um that was from August 25th to September 4th of 24. >> August 25th through September 5th. >> 4th. >> Okay. So, it wasn't >> weeks. >> About a week.
>> Yeah. >> And that was the end of the summer. >> Okay. All right. Thank you. >> Yeah. And again, I I was hoping to have >> No, that's fine. >> data from this week, but I don't. >> Thank Thank you, Joan. Thanks, Chief. Um, all right. It's in front of the board. Uh, whatever. Someone wants to
offer a motion or not. >> Cory, so just just for clarification, if there is a sense to pursue more about making it a dead end street or blocking it, what is the next process? is >> I should think if the board is inclined
to response to your question not grant this not approve the speed bumps, we would direct the um public works department working with the police department to come up with a proposal to deadend it or
or one way it we have to have a public hearing on that. I guess we do. We would have to have >> well my understanding it was a dead end at one point in time and if even though it's a one-y year old data it looks like 75% of the vehicles that were in the
report are coming from cross street in in which would suggest you know people coming in for one reason you know >> it's going to be worse this year it gets worse worse every year >> if we're really trying to fix it and the dead end is a more more um better
bandaid not a band-aid a better solution than the speed bumps. If that's truly how it's going to save the safety, create a safe more safe issue, I think we would pursue that better. That's that's is my thoughts. >> Well, that that's something this board could decide to want to pursue tonight
in lie of as an alternative to the uh main proposal. Shireen, >> I I'd like to propose a two-part proposal then on the motion um to move to place the two temporary speed bumps that can place during peak times May through October placed at the direction of the Department of Public Works and
direct the police department and the Department of Public Works to pursue the feasibility of creating a dead end on that road because it it will it will satisfy the safety concerns of the neighbors. That's the rationale I'm looking at. um and gives a gives some
time for the town to um address it in the manner that it want that it feels is a better way. This is a safety issue here. I'm >> I I'm I'm just feeling a very strong sense about this. >> I appreciate that you you haven't proposed that yet as a motion, but could
I s before you >> I did I moved I moved >> and and I'll second it. Could I ask if you would be willing to split the motion into split into two motions because I'm inclined to support one piece and not the other. >> I know you are. I'm >> sure. It's your call. I mean, but
>> I mean, if you're going to, you know, >> I Yeah, fine. We'll split it into two different emotions. >> Whichever way we go, we may want to address the official speed limit at the same time so we get it to be 10 miles an hour and officially post it on both
ends. Well, we'd have to have a public hearing, >> right? No, I I understand that. I just I'm suggesting that for >> Thank you. Well, Shireen has offered to us with the motion. Can you >> I second it. And you have somebody out here. >> Yes. Yes, ma'am.
>> Hi, I'm Diane Rowings and I'm also on the traffic safety committee. We when we were thinking about the dead end, my big concern is that is going to put every single delivery truck onto Main Street. And so I think by doing that, you're
moving the safety concern from Kent Place to the safety concern of Main Street because now you've got delivery trucks trying to maneuver down Main Street. That was just one something that we definitely discussed was um the if we
did do the dead end >> maybe there's a bigger picture here for that area which includes the delivery times of day issues and all that which is a bigger uh fe you know like a a bigger master plan for the >> cause that frankly that comment causes
me to con reconsider whether I want to support that piece that particular motion I mean be you know we had the parking solution working group they're looking looking at the whole area, but we didn't really focus on Kent Place, but you start putting more delivery trucks on Main Street. So,
anyway, we haven't we have two motions, I guess, um on the table. We'll take them one by one. The first one is to dead end it. Is that it? >> To have two speed bumps, temporary speed bumps made of October. >> Okay, that's the first one. So, I'll
call It's been moved and seconded. I'll call the role. Miss Davis. >> I >> Mr. Mr. Dikkins. >> Hi. >> Mr. Meadows. >> Nay. >> Mr. Smith. >> Nay. >> And the chair votes no. So it's it fails two to three. >> The next motion is to dead end um
>> investigate investigate >> investigate the dead ending of of um uh of Kent Place. Moved and seconded. Miss Davis. >> I. >> Mr. Dykins. >> Hi. >> Mr. Meadows. >> Hi. >> Mr. Smith. >> I.
>> And the chair votes I. So that would be referred to whom? >> DPW >> DPW and the police department >> or to the town manager. >> Refer to the town manager and all >> for appropriate assignment. >> Now Stuart, you had proposed um uh
considering um reducing the speed limit officially to 10 miles hour. >> Yes. And post it properly and have it on agenda. >> Is there a sentiment on the board? Do we have to take a vote? We'll we'll have a public hearing on that. We'll refer that to the I guess we would refer that to the traffic safety committee first. I wasn't going to, but
>> Okay, we'll just bring it here. We don't You can weigh in at your pleasure. >> No, my question was, is there any kind of a time limit that could be set on this second motion that passed? And the reason I asked that is this has been going on since the summer of 2022.
>> I I can work with staff to get something prepared as soon as possible, but I don't know if it's going to be with for the next meeting or the meeting after that. Thank you. >> We have a huge agenda for our next meeting. >> Thank you. >> So, we'll do what we can. Um,
>> can I do an agenda item request, please, to um um have the traffic study look at delivery times of days for for uh for um trucks going in and out of town, especially in the area around
the um midsection of town where the restaurants and the are. um near Kent Place. >> Do we need to formally take that up at the board first or will the traffic safety committee look at it on on our suggestion? >> I'm pretty sure you guys could look at it, right?
>> They're asking us again to look at delivery trucks scheduled delivery times in downtown. I'm just not sure that's part of our >> then that would be something either the parking solution or the select
>> the parking solution group is effectively going to be dissolved because we've done the report but probably the board >> item request for us to discuss it. >> Okay. Well, >> I mean I don't want to you know >> No, that's fine. We're just waiting awaiting the final report. We voted a final report, Jeff and I,
>> and we're waiting for it to be written up and that's going to come to the board, I hope, in September because there are some recommendations I'd like to see the board consider, but we'll what we'll do is we'll put it on this board's agenda for discussion. We'll have the appropriate departments available. >> Thank you. >> I think the chamber and the merchants
association be very interested. >> Absolutely. >> Yes. Yes. We'll make sure they're notified. So, back to Stuart's question about the speed limit and we'll we'll we'll conduct we'll schedule a public hearing. >> Sure.
>> 10 mile per hour speed limit. Yes. >> Is there any is there consensus on wanting to pursue that? >> Yes. >> Okay. So, I won't take a vote on that. We'll put that and cont as a parallel um to that we'll put it on as soon as we can. Um the traffic safety committee
should probably take a look at it and give us their own recommendation on that. It's okay Joan. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you everybody. Next we have a public hearing to consider a new annual entertainment license for Hey Joe and Jam 16 Squanset
Road, West Chatam. This has been continued from July 22nd, 2025. And um Dre um Towi is online. >> Yes. So you're looking for an annual entertainment license
for your establishment and um >> I read the notice. >> No, because we did. And so there were some issues last time as I think you weren't able to there were some issues last time as to the um days and times
when this um entertainment would take place and we might have some questions. So welcome and could you uh elaborate a little bit on your your application? >> Yes, absolutely. Uh my name is Dre Tawi. I'm the owner of Hey Joe and Jam at 16 Squanset Road. Uh we're a coffee house.
Uh we opened a few weeks ago. We have a little stage in the coffee house and we hope to have some acoustic music coming through there um mostly during the m uh morning. We're open 9:00 am to 2 pm. Um,
it'd be probably one to three people playing for approximately 90 minutes starting off two to three times a week and um most likely between the hours of 9 and
11 and sometimes outside on our front porch um down the road. I'd like to open it up once a month for a nighttime singer songwriter acts acoustic or open mic um
and maybe after school for kids to do open mic. >> Would this be every day of the week? >> Music every day. >> Yeah, the entertainment license is what's before us right now. >> Um I No, I don't think it will be every
day. if it if most likely I I don't have the budget to do it every day. I think >> yeah. So I I think we we need to know specifically which days and which times for the activity that you're looking to permit
>> um weekends. So like we Sunday jazz um an acoustic singer songwriter Saturday mornings um one once on a Wednesday. I I'm just putting that out there if if you need
exact times. >> Um >> are So you're saying 9 to 11? >> 9:00 a.m. to 11:00 a.m. >> Yes. >> All the all the music you're talking about except for I think you said you wanted to to have um a jazz evening once
a month. Is that what you said? that that would be the exception from the 9 to11 because usually we get an when we get an application it's very specific and particular about what times and so forth and where we're trying to extract that information right now from you. Um,
well, I mean, would it make it easier if I said every day? Because I don't think it would be consistently I don't I don't know if it would be consistent, >> okay, >> if I said Saturday, Sundays. Um, I I I let's say every day 9 to 11 and once a
month from um 7 to 900 p.m. >> Okay. And this is uh is this amplified music? It's it says amplification. It's checked. So, >> are there any questions of the applicant
from the board? >> Yes, >> I think I do. Dre, just a quick question. The the porch you're speaking of is the front porch that faces Main Street >> and that's where you propose to have musicians and then people would be like out on the lawn or out on in the front
of it. Okay. All right. Thank you. Um, I'll throw it open to the public and I do have a letter from a member of of the community. Um, Mr. Mr. Phillips, >> Brian Phillips, 374 Lans Road. I've been down there. It's a great shop. Uh, it's a great venue for, you know, these kind
of small little jazz or, you know, string quartets or whatever they're going to have down there. Um, I definitely support this and, you know, I think you should give her kind of free free range to do, you know, whatever she wants, um, within her operation because it's not gonna be like a loud rock concert. It's going to be, you know, it's going to be a small venue. Um, you
know, we really got to do things to support our local businesses and this, I think, would be a great opportunity for them. Thank you. >> Thank you. Anybody else here in person or online? Okay, we received a communication from Mr. David Bixby and I'm going to read the letter. Um, Chadam
Select Board, these are comments for the August 5th public hearing for an entertainment license for Hey Joe and Jam. Um, I am not opposed to granting the granting of the license at this time. I have received indirect assurances that the proprietors are sensitive to the community concerns over noise intrusion
into adjacent residential neighborhoods. I hope the board shares those concerns. However, I remind you that the board approved a similar license for the dogfish taco restaurant without a clear understanding of both the town's own noise control bylaw and applicable state
law. I've written the board on this issue previously see attached. The biggest problems occur when music is electronically amplified. In your discussions with HJO, I hope you will emphasize that amplification of music will predictably lead to conflict. Thank you, David Bixby. He does attach a prior
communication uh but I'm not going to read the attachment but he does reference uh the town noise bylaw um and which exempts um for historical reasons which I don't understand um uh liquor establishments
but this is not a liquor establishment there is a similar noise bylaw uh in the liquor regulations so I wanted to get that into the record Um any um further comments from the board? So as I understand it, we have a request
for the entertainment license um which does include amplification every day from 9 to 11. Is this year round, Dre? >> Yes, it is. >> Um and >> not every day, but closed Tuesdays. >> Okay. and uh one time a month 7 to 900
p.m. and uh including on the uh porch externally. Uh we are informed that you haven't yet been issued an occupancy permit from the community development department because there hasn't been a final request for inspection. Is that what's the status of that?
>> Um we are actually I I have requested an inspection. It's a gas inspection for our convection oven. um they've put in the request and I thought they were going to come today but um maybe maybe it's Thursday and then um I had to evict
a tenant because apparently my apartment's not an apartment. Um so uh she's out so everything's everything's >> okay >> happening. And when the occupancy permit is issued, we're informed that it's set
at 15 until the select board upon recommendation from the water and sewer committee approve an increase in sewer flow. Did we ought to approve that conditionally? I thought we did that. Does anyone remember? We had a discussion of that. >> No, you'll have a public hearing on that. >> We'll have to have a public hearing to go beyond 15 seats once you get the
occupancy permit. I know it was recommended by town sewer that they did >> approved Kathy by them >> our town assist executive assistant Kathy what's the status do you recall >> yes so I received the request for
additional sewer flow from um the uh water and sewer department uh I was on Monday and I'm in the process of scheduling the public hearing so once that is approved by the select board as water and sewer commissioners then additional occupant you know the occupants could raise um could be
increased. >> Okay. >> So that is in process >> because that's another another uh hurdle to I should say hurdle but it's another complication has to be addressed but anyway we have before us the amplification I'm sorry the the entertainment license is there a motion or does board want to
take action? Cory matters. >> No just one um question I just want to throw out there more from a for mechanical um you know 911 a.m. daily that's fine. seven to nine once a month. Do we want to like get a little more specific? Is that seven days a week? I I
just want to make sure it's crystal clear that what what we're offering or what we're approving I clients so that there's no questions down the road. Like >> I think the application is for seven days a week, although they're closed one day at their own. >> Well, that's but but they're allowed to I want to make sure that it's crystal
clear what we're we're >> Yes, we we would be allowing 7 to 9 a.m. and one time 7 days a week and one time a month. I guess they can choose whatever day they want. >> 79 PM. >> Yeah. >> 79 PM. >> Oh, fine. >> All right.
>> I' I'd make a motion to to approve those times. >> Motion made and seconded. I will call the role. Miss Davis. >> I. >> Mr. Dykins. >> Hi. >> Mr. Matters. Hi. >> Mr. Smith. >> I. >> Chair votes. I. Thank you. Good luck. You have it. >> Yeah. >> Um, next item is public comments on the
business agenda. And let me review the business agenda. First, there's a request to use town property for a one-day entertainment permit from the Mon Man Monoy Yacht Club beach for the Manoy Yacht Club beach party at Hardings Beach. Next, uh the annual turkey trot
use of town roads, various permits. Uh next, um consider entering into a Commonwealth site readiness program technical assistance grant agreement for $175,000 for the design and engineering of the access roadway for affordable and attainable housing development at zero
meeting house road. And as I indicated, I will accept contemporaneous public comment on that one. We have some committee appointments, but we generally do not accept public comment on those. So, is there any public comment on the business agenda?
All right, seeing none, the next item on the agenda is to consider the request for the use of town property and a one-day entertainment permit for the uh from uh by the annual for the annual Monoa Yacht Club beach party at Hardings Beach in the first parking lot September
3rd, 2025 Mona Yacht Club. And we have Mr. Gaines and Mr. Pot Pots, I'm sorry. Please come forward. Uh thank you and good afternoon. I'm Peter Gaines and I'm commodor of the
Mono Yacht Club and this is David Pototts and he is chairperson of our uh beach party uh committee and we are here as you said to uh address the our application uh to uh for to hold our
annual beach party at Harding Beach. Uh each year for the past 23 years, uh the Monoya Club has held their annual end of uh summer beach party at Hardings Beach. Uh we intentionally schedule this party
for the Wednesday after Labor Day in order to be less intrusive of the large crowds uh that gather on the beach uh in the summer. Uh the beach party is the yach club's uh most popular event of the year. Uh last year we attracted close to
200 people. I'm not sure of an exact number, but close to 200 people. Uh in the past uh we've sent in our application to parks and wreck and after careful review, we've received approval. Uh no one on our board uh can remember
ever having to go before the select board uh in person uh in addition to our meeting with parks and recck. Um, we realize that the rules change, uh, but we're not aware of any major changes
from prior years. Um, we also notice that this year, uh, if approved, uh, there is a $175 charge for cleaning the restrooms. Uh, if our application is approved, uh, we are there for a total
of about three hours. Uh, and I can't imagine that uh our use of the restrooms uh is any more than any other random sample of 175 people who happen to be on the beach. But nonetheless, if approved, we're happy to pay the $175
uh restroom cleaning fee. Uh our crew gathers at 8:30 in the morning. Uh we cordon off uh and this is in the past. We cordon off 76 parking spaces which is exactly half of the available spaces in
the first parking lot at Hardings Beach. Uh we set up our food areas in about 12 of those spaces uh in the uh first row of the cordoned off section. Uh by background uh we believe that the Mano Yacht Club well first of all the Mono
Mano Yacha Club has been in existence for 87 years. Uh we're members of the Chamber of Commerce. We sponsor the annual Harbor Update. We participate in the Art in the Park, the July 4th parade. Uh our members are on committees
and boards throughout the town. One of our members serves as on the finance committee and other members of our uh yacht club serve on the historical commission, the cemetery commission, the board of health, the waterways advisory commission, the shellfish advisory
commission, the friends of Eldridge Library, the Marane Maronei Museum, the Atwood Museum, the Cadam Conservation Foundation, and there are 23 members of the Monmoya Club who serve on uh the first night committee. So, we believe
that we're uh excellent stewards uh of the town. Uh and while all of that has nothing to do with our application, uh it it should tell this uh the select board uh who we are as as a club. When
David and I met with the park and rec uh uh committee some time ago, they mentioned there were some comments about our past use of firing off a cannon to begin our festivities. Uh when I brought this up to our board
of governors uh at our last meeting, uh no one who serves on our board of governors today or any of our past commodors can remember how that tradition began. However, we are voluntarily willing to can the cannon.
Uh that won't be an issue this year. Um uh at the time that we met with park and wreck uh they uh at our meeting they approved our application. However, we're aware that subsequent to that and I don't know when their subsequent meeting
was but subsequent to that they've approved our application uh with the exception that not approving the uh reserved 76 spaces which are really uh essential. Um, we have our own waste barrels that
we bring. We remove our own trash at the end of the party. About 90% of our members are Chadam residents and taxpayers. Uh, we are mostly senior citizens who are about the least rowdy
crowd one can imagine. Uh we're asking the select board to approve our application for use of Hardings uh beach and a small portion of the first parking lot for our annual beach party on September 3rd. And David and I will be
happy to answer uh any questions from the select board. >> Thank you, sir. Um, I just wanted to um address the parking question um because um what you're before this board for is
a license to um have amplified outdoor music and use the beach, the first beach that I I question whether the select board has control over the parking lot. Isn't that the parks and recreation commission or do we
>> No, you you have control over all town facilities. >> So, we could we could overrule the park and recreation board's position on the reserving of 75 parking spaces if we wanted. >> Would it be okay if I >> Sure. >> Yeah, please.
>> Yeah. >> You have to speak at a microphone if to be heard. >> Mr. Chair, I have a clarifying question for Mr. Gaines. >> Okay, >> go ahead. >> Is this Peter? Hi. >> Hi. >> Um, >> you blocked this off for your food only.
Is that And for the safety of the attendees or what what what is the actual need for this? >> No, given the fact that we have let's say 175 or 200 people. >> Sure. And as I said, many are most of
our members are senior citizens. Many of our members have some mobility issues. So, traditionally, we've blocked it off uh in order to allow our our members to park there. uh they usually arrive, you
know, the crew that puts us all together, they arrive earlier in the day. But the majority or most of our attendees then arrive right about 3:00. And uh while there is certainly the possibility that members could park at
the second parking lot and walk back and those who are able uh we would certainly be willing to say why don't you drop off somebody at the first parking lot uh and go park your car at the second parking lot. There are many members of our club
who attend who have uh some significant mobility issues and it's the reason why we uh ask uh that in addition to you know primarily for that reason but also as a convenience to our members that's where
we gather and uh the reason for the uh coordining off is for our members to park there. >> Any consideration for valet? Well, yes, we thought about that. Uh, the problem we see with that, I mean, we could do it. The problem we see with
that is the valet that we're familiar with uh hold six or nine people and uh our party starts at 3:00, which means that people start arriving, 200 people start arriving at 3:00.
We think it's impractical, not impossible, but we think it's impractical to run a valet back and forth from the second from the first to second parking lot. We would entertain it, but it's we we see it as impractical. >> If this board didn't approve the parking
spaces, what would you do? If this were not approved for the parking spaces, >> well, that's a very good question. Uh, it's going it would impact our ability to
hold our beach party the way we have had in the past. Uh but speaking quite frankly, uh I think if this were not approved, I think what's entirely possible is we'd
have to uh tell our our members that uh we can we're still having our beach party hopefully. Uh but they uh we can't cordon off we can't reserve 76 parking spots. And I guess I would leave it up to our members to decide how to solve
that problem. Which means perhaps some of them might arrive with two cars uh park there at uh 10:00 in the morning uh drive home and uh then come back at
3:00. So without actually technically coordinating it off, uh our members are creative and that might be uh what they would choose to do. But I can't speak for that. >> Thank you. Can I just follow up to Shireen? So the what you handed out is
shows marked in red. I don't think anybody can see it really, but the section you would cordon off. Now you've cordoned that off in the past. >> We have uh I've been a member of the club for 10 years and I've attended I think one one of the 10 one of the years that I've been a member of the club it
was rained out so we had to cancel. But I believe every other year uh this is exactly what we've done. >> And you've never had any objection to that from the parks and recreation commission in the past. This is the first year this has come up. >> Not as far as I know. >> Okay. Thank you, Jeff.
>> In fact, this is the first year they've come to us for permission and they they've done this for 23 years and I'm very much in favor of alignment that continue to do so. >> Okay. Thank you. Any other comment? Corey >> question. How many? Anyone know how many spaces are actually in the parking lot?
Is it 76 about 50%? >> I know. I counted them, Cory. Um the the front lot has 150. So we would take we'd be taking roughly half. >> Yeah. >> Um the back lot I think has 315. The back lot is really really big.
>> And this is on September 3rd. >> It is September 3rd. The Wednesday after Labor Day, >> Jeff, >> Wednesday after Labor Day is post Labor Day plus it's three in the afternoon. So I would like to make a motion to approve their application. Thank you. >> I'll second that. >> Okay. It's been moved and approved. Any discussion on the motion?
>> Miss Davis. >> I. >> Mr. Dykins. >> Hi. >> Mr. Meadows. >> I. >> Mr. Smith. >> I. >> Chair votes eye. >> Good luck. Thank you. >> Thank you very much. >> Cakola still a member? >> Excuse me. >> Isola still a member. Uh, interestingly enough, even though they've moved uh
down to, I think, Virginia, uh, they've retained their membership and they do come back for several events during the year. Good. >> And we're happy to have them. We want to give him a convenient parking spot. >> Yes. He doesn't get to park in one of the cordoned off spaces. >> I'll I'll I'll I'll pass that along to
Thank you very much. >> Thank you. Uh, next we have um consider the use of town roads, use of town property, sale of goods and town property, and one-day entertainment permit. Cadam Cadam Turkey Trot November 26 and 27 2025 the Lower Cape Outreach
Council and we have um Katie Webbby Wby on sorry online. Could you please welcome and please uh speak to this. >> Thank you. Uh Katie Wibby I'm the chief executive officer for the Lower Cape Outreach Council. I do apologize for not being able to join you in person today
where I would prefer to be. Um, but we are uh requesting uh permission to use as the oyster pond parking lot for our annual turkey trot which takes place on Thanksgiving uh November 27th. Uh and
then I have previously been in front of the um I'm sorry, park and recck committee to request permission to use the community building uh the day before for pre-registration pickup. Um I don't anticipate any changes from previous
years. Um well I should say no changes from last year uh for this year's race. >> Corey just clarification. Did you say November 27th or November 26? It was in our memo was the 26th and in the permission to use application it says
the 26th. >> I think there were a couple of things going on. >> I just want to make sure we got the right date. >> Yeah. I apologize. And and in my original application I did make uh some handwritten errors. The race, the Cadam turkey trot is actually on Thanksgiving, which is November 27th. The
pre-registration pickup uh for bibs and t-shirts is at the community center uh on the 26th, which is the Wednesday afternoon beforehand. >> Yeah. I I was going to suggest looking at the memo, I we would amend a second
motion to reflect that um the um the use of town roads and the outdoor display the it would be the use of uh um the property the outdoor display and sale of goods and town property would be at Oyster Pond Beach and parking lot. Is
that correct? >> The outdoor display. That's correct. Yeah. You're going to sell goods. That's correct. You're going to sell things at the parking lot at Oyster Park and you have a tent setup and take down on the 2 starting on the 26th and ending on the 28th. So I I would add those to the motion. I'm happy to read that later,
but any discussion or conversation about this questions? Um someone off want to offer the first motion? >> Mr. Mr. Chairman, I move to grant Katie Whby of the Lower Cape Outreach Council the use of town property at 702 Main Street Cadam and the sale of goods on
town property on Wednesday, November 26th, 2025 from 1 to 7 p.m. which includes setup and cleanup. >> Is there a second? Second. >> All right, we'll call the role. Miss Davis, >> I. >> Mr. Dykins, >> I. >> Mr. Matters. >> Hi. >> Mr. Smith, >> I. >> Chair votes I. I'll offer the second
motion. Um, because I did write some words here. I move to grant Kate Wibby of the Lower Cape Outreach Council the use of town roads, the outdoor display and sale of goods on town property at Oyster Pond Beach and parking lot and a special 1-day entertainment license on
Thursday, november 27, 2025 from 7:00 a.m. to 10:00 a.m. and tent setup and takedown on November 26- November 28. >> Second. >> All right, Miss Ms. Davis. >> Hi, >> Mr. Dykins. >> Hi,
>> Mr. Matters. >> Hi, >> Mr. Smith. >> I >> and the chair votes I. Thank you. Good luck. >> Great, great event. Thank you. >> Thank you very much for your continued support. >> Okay, so now um we have um next agenda
item to consider the entering into the Commonwealth site readiness program technical assistance grant agreement for $175,000 for the design and engineering of the access roadway for affordable and attainable housing development at Zero Meeting House Road. This is one of the
Penrose projects and presenting will be our housing and sustainability director, Gloria McFersonen. Welcome, Gloria. >> Thank you. Sorry I popped up at the mere mention of my agenda item earlier. I was listening but um obviously not paying attention. Um anyway, so way back when I
started almost three years ago, um we were in the process of purchasing Meeting House Road and one of the things that struck me immediately about the property was the topography knowing that it would be challenging for any developer to, you know, access the
buildable up upland portion of the site because there's a huge gully. So, two years ago, um we applied for and received um a grant award of $175,000 through Mass Development site readiness
program specifically for the design and engineering of that roadway, which in the grand scheme of um things that we were going to do to help um leverage the town's contribution to the development
of that site would be the first step. Um the second step after that grant was completed and we had the design and engineering and cost estimating then we would apply for a massworks grant um as a way of uh contributing to the development of the site. So we got the
grant um really early. I think I like grossly um underestimated the time it was going to take for us to get to the point where we're ready to develop the site by by like two years. But um here we are. So, we're ready to do the design
work for the access road for Meeting House Road. We have this grant and um typically the town manager signs off on grant awards for the town of Chadam. This one is a little bit different. Um it's similar to other mass development
grants including Mass Works in that when they give money for a public purpose and in this case the public purpose is the design and engineering and later the construction of the roadway. if we get a Mass Works grant um for the public purpose of affordable housing,
the money has to stay with that property. So, it's a public purpose. It's public money. The land has to stay owned by the municipality. So, our intention is to carve out the access way
that's going to be designed and built. Town's going to retain ownership of it. Um but the format of the grant is um such that there's a reimbursement clause just in case something happens where we dispose of the property and then all of
those funds that were put into it, the design, engineering, construction, everything would then have to be reimbursed to mass development. And once that reimbursement clause was in there, this became a different type of agreement. It's essentially a loan agreement because there's the
possibility of future repayment um and therefore it requires um acceptance by the um select board um to accept the grant and enter into the grant agreement. That said, because we're going to carve out the portion of the property that the grant applies to,
there's not going to be a reimbursement in the future. We're not selling that. We're not disposing of it. We're not giving it to the developer. We'll cover the town by having um a maintenance um agreement for them to manage, maintain it, um you know, salt and and plow the
roadway and things like that. So, the town won't have that particular liability, but the town does have to retain ownership of the underlying land. And um and that's why we're here before you to um get acceptance of the grant. >> Thank you, Gloria. Um I reviewed the
document as I'm sure my colleagues have. I have to say as just as a lawyer is one of the best written documents I've ever seen come out of the Commonwealth. So, whoever put this together, it was very well written. Um, but I I just had um
one or two points. Um the uh town council has um reviewed it. I assume town council approves of the agreement for us to sign. >> Correct. >> Okay. and um part of the um right of way
that you're talking about that would be the subject of this in part basically this is to design this this is for the design of whatever approach is going to go over that gully that accesses the development but part of the a right of
way on on meeting house is going to be utilized for access to the abutters right >> um so almost. So the correct so the um access is going to go from the right of way to the property
across the property but what we're working on with Penrose right now is a butter driveways individually on their own driveway on their own properties and those driveways are going to cross the town's right of way but not in front of the town owned portion it's going to be
across the right of way in front of their individual properties. >> Okay. and and you have been working with there were two abbutters as far as I know. You have been working with them. >> Um we've been working with um both Penrose and the Abutters to try to come up with a solution that everyone's happy
with. Basically giving each of the abutters an individual driveway. Um yeah. >> Okay. I am personally in favor of approving this agreement but also encouraging um continued consultation with the abutters on those driveway issues which is not part of this agreement but um we might want to
reinforce that either with a vote separate vote or just consensus. Anyway, any comments or questions from the board? >> Shireen. >> Um this has been due diligence on the part of the town and especially Gloria in her work to do this. So, um, and affordable housing trust has looked at,
um, you know, some of the issues around the meeting house road property and, um, I'm really excited that this is before us. This is something we can work with and, you know, I'm very much in favor. So, >> Stuart,
>> sure. Hello, Gloria. Um, question. If we weren't to accept the grant or loan, I guess it's both. Um, how would this be funded? >> Um, so it would
this this grant was baked into the RFP when it was first um issued and it's also referenced in the LDA. So, we received this grant even before we crafted the RFP for that property. So, right in there, there was a section
called town contribution, and the $175,000 was um put right out there as something that they could count on from the town. And we also said that we would take the results of that and work with the developer, whoever the developer was at
that time, um to apply for future grants to actually construct it. So, it was understood that this money was available. I think that if you weren't going to approve it, I think that um you know, honestly, it would it would sort
of be a little bit bad faith and the money would still have to be found because the work still has to be done. So, it's possible that you know, the developer could come back to the town and ask for um money that would cover it. Jill, maybe
would being a novice at this, is this a um if we weren't to approve this, how would we come up with 100 where would we come up with 175,000? Would that come out of the affordable housing trust fund or would that come out of town funds? I guess they're both town funds, but
>> well, it's it's town property off the rightway. I I don't know. My first um instinct is to say it would be it would need to be town funded, possibly town meeting funded. And if if that's the case, it would be a free cash appropriation. I don't know, Gloria, if
if this would qualify um under the trust. So I think with the makeup of the um AMI distribution that it could be trust funds, but it really So when you get a when you get a design and engineering grant and make good on that
and then apply for an actual like massworks grant for construction, having this grant first puts us in an entirely different category that makes it much more likely that we'll get the funds to actually construct the road. So if we
don't do this, then they don't have as much incentive to, you know, continue to support the project that they've already supported. And while $175,000 is, you know, not that much, the trust could easily um afford that, I think
that the ramifications of not being in a in quite as strong a position for a massworks grant would be a much different scenario. there you're talking more like I don't know how much it's going to cost to do this maybe a million dollars or something. You're not talking about a hundred thousand. You're talking
about you know 10 times that much that we would potentially not be as strong in our application. >> Who's the they that you were referring to that might not support it. >> Um mass development. >> Okay. >> Okay. Stuart anymore? Uh
>> I don't think so. Thank you. >> Jeff. >> Yeah. I'd like to make a motion to enter the grant agreement buying between the town of Chadam and the Mass Development Finance Agency, Mass Development. >> Go ahead. Make a number. >> Yeah. For a site readiness grant for a site readiness grant in the amount of $175,000
for design and engineering services as described in the meeting house road site readiness grant agreement civil engineering scope of work by Horsely Whitten dated April 29th, 2025 and to authorize the chair to sign same on behalf of the board. And if there's a
second, I have a brief comment. I I will second. >> Okay. >> Yeah. And my comment is Dean, I agree with you. I I read the I read the mass development agreement. It was It was very well written. It was an excellent agreement and I'm fully in favor of this. This is a this is baked into the LDA. It's an assumption. The money's
there and um we'd be absolutely foolish not to take advantage of it. >> Thanks. >> Is there any public comment? >> Okay. I see see none. So, I will call a vote on Mr. Dykin's motion that's been seconded by Miss Davis. Um, Mr. Miss
Davis, >> I. >> Mr. Dyken, >> I. >> Mr. Meadows, >> I. >> Mr. Smith, >> no. >> And the chair votes I. So, it's four to one. It's approved. Um, I wanted to offer a motion um that the town staff
uh shall continue to consult with the abutters in developing their access to meeting house road. Is that an appropriate That's not part of this agreement. This is a state agreement and we don't want to move, >> right? That's work not on town owned property. So it would be a totally
separate thing but highly appropriate. >> I second that. >> Okay. Any any comment on that from the board or the public? >> Gloria Gloria Hicks. >> Gloria Hicks. Meeting house wrote. I'm one of the abutters. So I'm just like a little bit confused. This is
specifically about the development this agreement that you just voted on and approved. Correct. I am I've been Penrose has reached out to me and obviously Gloria and I mean I go to every meeting. Um
so is it appropriate for me to just be working with Penrose or is the town like I mean how is this all supposed to work? >> I think Gloria do you want to respond to that because my understanding is that you've been sort of coordinating the interaction between the Penrose. I have
been um so part of the um RFP and their proposal was specifically to work with the Abutters and and quote unquote improve their access to meeting house road. So that was all part of the RFP that was put out that was part of their
proposal and I've been um I guess the one coordinating and facilitating it and I would I would say advocating for the abutters. >> Absolutely. to make sure that, you know, everything is done well and respectfully and um that their access is indeed
improved, which is exactly what we wanted to see. >> Yeah. I offered the motion because I just really wanted that process to continue and have the endorsement of the select board. Okay. >> Even though we really don't have it's a 40B, we really don't have a role on the >> right
>> on the project itself. But >> Corey, >> just want to make one comment. I think improvement I think to be blunt show good faith by Penrose is to make adequate fully adequate accommodations with the neighbors and you know I don't want to have the quote unquote
improvement. I want to make sure that's good faith because anything short of that is going to sour pro processes moving forward. So I think we want to be just want to be very upfront with my position on this. I don't want to have a okay we're making a little improvement. We we would due diligence and do do
right by the neighbors. That's >> we used general language in the RFP because we weren't sure what the design of the driveways would look like. And I think at this point, how many how many different concept plans were submitted? Like maybe we're on our sixth or something like that. >> Two that I would even entertain.
>> Well, out of probably I think five. Yeah, there's a lot of exploration of how to do this and um yeah, the terminology was improved, but we're really um advocating for what's best for the abutters >> and the affordable housing trust is too.
I mean, we've been, you know, along all along the way uh been very mindful of Miss Hicks concerns and the other abutters concerns. >> I appreciate that that input. >> I mean, it's important to them, too. >> No, I appreciate that input. I think the the generally the town wants to see
reasonable steps taken to accommodate the legitimate concerns of the butters. Gloria has been coordinating it and we want to see that process continue to a successful resolution. Okay. And we ready uh to take a vote. I think Mr. Dyen seconded my motion. Somebody did. >> Yes.
>> Shine did. >> Okay. >> I did. >> So I'll call the role. Uh Miss Davis. Hi. >> Mr. Dykins. Hi. >> Mr. Meadows. Hi. >> Mr. Smith. I >> and the chair votes I. Thank you, Gloria. All right,
we'll now consider committee appointments. We have several of them. Um the first is for the Council on Aging Board of Directors. We have one vacancy. We interviewed recently Cindy Chryser.
Uh she was recommended uh as well, endorsed by the chair of the Council on Aging. And um I will take a motion um as per the the memo or there's a revise a revision to the memo to have it. No, not at this point. Okay. There's there's no >> Mr. Chairman, I move to appoint Cindy
Chryser as a member of the Council on Aging Board of Directors until June 30th, 2028 unless sooner revoked or a successor is appointed. >> Is there a second? >> Second. >> Call the role. Miss Davis. >> Hi. >> Mr. Dyen. Hi. >> Mr. Matters. Hi. >> Mr. Smith. >> Hi.
>> Chair votes. Next is the Capecod National Seashore Federal Advisory Commission. Um there is one seat available for a Cadam representative. This is the main representative. I think our alternate is um one of our
>> Katherine Ricks. >> Katherine Ricks. I think we've already approved that. This is a for a position that expires on September 20th, 2027. We have interviewed several individuals. um John Whan, Terry Savage, Michael King,
and I think Mr. Phillips also um this was one of the committees he had u indicated an interest in. So, I'll ask for nominations, >> Mr. Chair. >> And and by the way, this is a nomination to the to the federal government. They
make the appointment. >> Okay. >> Yes, Mr. Matters. >> Recommendation. Um, I move to nominate John Whan as the Chattam Representative to the Cape Cod National Seashore Federal Advisory Commission until September 20, 2027. >> Is there a second to that nomination? >> Second that. >> Seconded, M Smith. Any other nominees
for this position? Okay. Well, um, Mr. Whan has been nominated and seconded. I will call the role on this nomination. >> Miss Davis, >> I. >> Mr. Dykins. >> Hi. >> Mr. Matters. >> Hi, >> Mr. Smith. I
>> and the chair vote size. So John Whan is the nominee. We will send that to the secretary of the interior, I guess. Um the next is the public ceremonies committee. We have several vacancies.
There are three vacant seats. Um Mr. Fran is on there. I think there is an um another member of that committee. Uh it's a woman. I can't remember her name. Um, and there are two additional candidates. We interviewed Ted Miller today and we've interviewed Brian Meyer
recently. So, um, is there a motion um to address Mr. Miner? I said it's Minor, Mr. Miner and Mr. Miller. >> Mr. Chairman, I move to appoint Brian Miner and Ted Miller to the public ceremonies committee until June 30th,
2028, unless they're revoked or successor is appointed. >> Is there a second? >> Second. We'll call the role. Miss Davis, >> I. >> Mr. Dyken, >> hi. >> Mr. Meadows. >> Hi, >> Mr. Smith. >> I. >> And the chair votes I.
>> The last position is the conservation commission representative to the community preservation committee. This is a position currently held by um Katherine Latton, Karen Latin. And um the commission has um requested I
believe that u that yes they've nominated her that she continue to be the representative um of the conservation commission to the community preservation committee. Is there a motion? >> Mr. Chair, I move to appoint Karen Latin as the conservation commission's representative to the community preservation committee until June 30th
20 28 unless sooner revoked or successor is appointed. >> Second. >> It's been moved and seconded. Miss Davis >> I. >> Mr. Mr. uh Dykins. >> Hi, >> Mr. Meadows. >> Hi, >> Mr. Smith. >> I >> and the chair votes eye. Okay, that
completes the business agenda. >> The next item on the agenda is to go into executive session under Massachusetts General Laws Chapter 38 section 21 number six to consider the purchase, exchange, lease, or value of real property parenthesis 31 meeting house road. If the chair declares that
an open meeting may have a detrimental effect on the negotiating position of the body with no return to open session, I'm going to offer this as a motion and read it again. I move that the select board go into executive session under Massachusetts General Laws chapter 38 section 21
paren 6 to consider the purchase, exchange, lease, or value of real property parenthesis 31 meeting house road. If the chair declares that an open meeting may have a dental detrimental effect on the negotiating position of the body with no return to open session. Is there a second? >> Second.
>> Moved and seconded. Call the role. Miss Davis. >> Hi. >> Mr. Dy. Hi. >> Mr. Matters. Hi. >> Mr. Smith. >> Hi. >> And the chair votes. >> So we are going to into executive session. Uh we will not return to open session. Good night Chattam. Thank you.
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