[music] [music] [music] [music] [music] Good evening everyone and welcome to the Chattam Select Board meeting of June 16th. 2026. Please let the record show the meeting started at 5:33 p.m. I'll read what I'm what I'm supposed to read.
Pursuant to Governor Healey's March 28th, 2025 signing of chapter 2 of the acts of 2025 extending certain COVID 19 measures adopted during the state of emergency suspending certain provisions of the open meeting law general law chapter 38 section 20 until June 30th,
2027. This meeting of the Chattam Select Board is being conducted in person and via remote participation. Every effort will be made to ensure that the public can access the proceedings as provided for in that order. A reminder that persons who would like to listen to this meeting while in progress may do so by
calling the phone number 158-945-4410 conference ID203 386491 pound or join the meeting online via Microsoft Teams through the link in the posted agenda. While this is a live broadcast and summio cast on Cadam TV
Xfinity channel 10721072, despite our best efforts, we may not be able to provide real time access and we will post a record of this meeting on the town's website as soon as is possible. First order of business this evening is to establish a quorum of the
Chattam Select Board. To do so, I will call the role. Mr. Smith, >> present. >> Miss Potach, >> present. >> Mr. Meadows, >> present. >> Mr. Dikkins is present as well. >> Niccastro. >> Mr. Castro >> present. >> You know, Dean, I've got to get retrained here. You're part of the role.
So, Dean is online this evening. And the next order of business is uh to approve the minutes of uh June 9th, 2026. And a motion to approve. >> Motion to approve. >> A second. >> A second. >> Okay. Any comments, edit, suggestions on the minutes of June 9th, 2026. Uh look
to Mr. Niccastro. Is your hand up, Mr. Niccastro? Okay. >> All right. Hearing seeing none, I have none as well. We'll call the role. Mr. Smith, >> I. >> Miss Potach. Mr. Meadows. >> Hi. >> The chair says I. And Mr. Niccastro. >> I. >> Thank you, Dean. Okay. The next item is
public announcements and agenda item requests. I know some of the members of the board have some announcements andor agenda item. I think Miss Potas, you had a couple. >> I I have two announcements. Okay. Um that came to my attention. >> Two announcements that came to my attention. The first one, this is a reminder that the deadline for applying
to the taxation aid committee for tax assistant is July 1. Applications are available at the treasurer collector's office at town hall or you can download the application from the cadam tax aid a taxation aid committee's web page or from the treasurer collector's web page.
The link is on both pages as well as on the assessor's web page. This aid is for incomequalifying seniors 65 or older or for incomequalifying disabled citizens. The requirements and all the necessary documentation are fully explained in the
application package. All applications and supporting documentation are wholly confidential. All awards will be applied directly against fiscal 2027 property tax bills which will be issued in November of this year. That concludes
that announcement. I have one more um on a different note. Um so Shireen Davis of Chadam was honored as Cape Cod Women of the Year last week at Barnstable. She was nominated by Chadam's longtime employee Shauna Neely. Shireen was
presented with the Mercy Otis Warren Award for her decades of leadership specifically in the fields of sustainable sustainable fisheries, environmental stewardship, and community advocacy. Shireen served on this board
from 2017 until uh last May. And so I'm sure we all could join in congratulating Shireen. Um Cape Cod Woman of the Year. >> Awesome. Congratulations, Shireen. [applause] >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Randy. Uh Mr. Smith, did you
have your hand up? Well, um, just briefly, I was hoping I there's been some movement um, recently. Um, but maybe we could review some of my agenda requests. Uh, I looked at one of them and it goes back to last August.
>> Heaven forbid. >> Yeah, heaven forbid. So, just like to maybe clear some of those. Uh, if we could. >> Yep. >> Thank you. >> Yep. Message of the chair. And, uh, Okay. Corey, anything? Dean, do you have anything this evening? Okay. I just have one one request or a question. Uh it's
been suggested that uh maybe this is for park and wreck, but I just want to have it on the agenda list so that we don't forget. A bubbler at at volunteer park would be cool. Um park and wreck. It might be a real pain, but I think we have a bubbler at seaside lengths. It's it's right about halfway. It's pretty
good. So just maybe get a freshwater bubbler there at some point for this summer especially. >> So to translate a bubbler is a water fountain. >> A water fountain. There [laughter] you go. Bubbler. All right. >> Anything else from the board? Okay. Hearing seeing none, we have some folks in line here. Mr. Buckley has his hands
up. Hand up. Steven Buckley. Thank you. Yes, Steve Buckley. Um uh I haven't watched every u select board meeting since the change in chairmanship. Uh so I'm wondering, Mr. chair, could you I'm wondering if there's a different
protocol uh compared to the previous chair about prov uh making suggestions and having u and in that case I made one uh late last year and sent emailed him uh my request in addition following up
with a request at the microphone. So I'm wondering is should I do that again because I'd like to perhaps this chair would have a different opinion about >> my request. So I just wanted to follow the protocol. Go ahead. >> It sounds as though this chair is treating the public and board members
very similarly. So I will take a look at your request along with Mr. Smith's. >> Okay. There >> has been no change in protocol. >> Okay. Fine. Then in but in this case I might um because nobody saw his decision about the request because it only was
between him and I and maybe the midtown manager. I don't know. But it wasn't through the rest. So nobody would know, hey, maybe I'd want to bring that up like added to the list of Stuart or whatever, you know. So, so uh yeah, so it just doesn't go into some uh
electronic file in that case. And the and so anyway, that's my uh request. I will reiterate the request for a communications advisory committee. >> Okay. >> And all right, >> as an example of that, I will want it has to do the announcement. And I just
wanted to reiterate that it's been made uh on on the town's website that there's a our major our our our primary one of our two intersections is subject to a public hearing next week I believe or the 24th whatever the 24th is in the
board select board of course is going to uh uh convene at the same very same time. And so this only happened once before that I was aware of. it was with the West Chatam uh roadway project. And of course, there was a lot of discord,
let's say, about the West Cadam project that I believe could have been prevented if if people had communicated better if the process allowed for that. So anyway, I just wanted to point out that uh the the notice on the website on our website
that um our communications our community engagement person Shauna and Neilie put put up uh earlier I don't earlier this week or sometime is uh incorrect because it says mass DOT does not allow remote participation at its public hearings and
I don't know if that was a miscommunication. And I did follow up with Shauna to say, well, they're doing it in other towns, so I don't understand why that is. And I asked Mass DOT to clarify that. And hopefully they can clear that up, why why they prefer not
to have remote participation or something. But that's an example of where a communications advisory committee could advise, you know, that these things get pro uh are proactive, so to speak, and not say would a could a should have because if it only happens
every 12 years for a roadway project like this, then you know that's not going to happen too many more times for people our age, Mr. Chair. So, thank thank you. I just wanted to point that out. >> Okay, Mr. Buckley. Thank you. >> The 25% design that is listed there is
unsigned. If you if you actually go to the link that the town has for the for the for that project, the public involvement specialist left HSH our consultant uh four years ago. So his
phone number doesn't work, his email doesn't work. Says, "Hey, if you want to know more, call me four years ago." And so I'm guessing that whatever 25% design is listed there that's undated is people should not look at that and say, "Oh, here's what's going to be presented." So
anyway, I just wanted to show that's examples of where um yes, a community advisory board would help uh catch these things before they confuse people. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Buckley, for your input. And a reminder that there is a mass DOT hearing next on the 24th from 4 to 6 in
this room. And I want to remind folks this is not a board of select board hearing. This is a mass DOT public hearing to hear comment about the intersection the coral road intersection downtown. Okay. Mass DOT. We we will be there or most of us will be there and so
we have to post it as a select board meeting for the because of the open meeting law. However, it is not our meeting um per se. Okay. Mr. Phillips. Brian Phillips, 374 Orleans Road. Um, this is an agenda item request. Um, I
guess for the board uh to take into consideration um town [clears throat] employees, people that work for the town of Chadam uh who are not residents get um the resident uh fee. So like for Seaside, if you're a town employee and you're not a resident of the town, you only have to
pay the resident fee um for Seaside. Same with like the beach sticker, stuff like that. Does that make sense? You're asking for our town employees to have the same financial status at seaside and the beaches as a resident. >> Yes. >> Okay. Thanks. Yeah. Thanks.
>> Okay. Any other public announcements andor agenda item requests? I see that I believe Elaine Gibbs has her hand up. Elaine, floor is yours. >> Yes. I'd just like a clarification on what Steve Buckley said. I'm confused now. Is it Are we going to be able to
participate remotely? Well, I I just want to I'm gonna find we're gonna find out. Um I'm going to look to Shauna for information there. Um Shauna is here. Elaine. >> Yeah. Okay. Because we're not going to be able to fit everybody in that room. >> Yeah. No, I know.
>> So Tom Courier in a prep meeting indicated that only the um attendees in the room would be able to offer input and that there would not be a remote um link to the meeting. and they have not included any kind of link in their advertisement for the public hearing.
So, >> yeah, just a quick followup on that. They they were going to provide a link to the public before the hearing. Has that been posted yet? Does anybody know if that's live yet? >> The video was not posted as of this morning when we >> Can we follow up with that and make sure that they post that video? I would think that's really important to get in terms
of communication, Mr. Buckley, that we get that out there. >> Okay. And then and then we can, if I might, we can also maybe revisit with the DOT that um you know, we're pretty pretty well set up to have Colin here. So um do they know how high-tech we are? I think I think we need to revisit that
and I think we should because I think public participation in this hearing is very important. So >> all our other public hearings have remote DOT should. We pay their bills. >> Yeah. Yep. >> All right. Thank you. >> Yeah. Okay. Thank you, Elaine. Any other
uh input this evening for agenda item requests and or announcements? Hearing seeing none, we will turn we have a series of public hearings this this evening. The first of which is to consider an application for a new annual entertainment license for outdoor amplified live and recorded music for
Chattam in partners LLC doing business as the Chattam In which is located at 359 Main Street Cadaman. to the end to start the public hearing. I will ask the clerk to please read the public notice. >> Yes, Mr. Chair. Thank you. Notice is hereby given that the Chattam Select Board will hold a public hearing on
Tuesday, June 16th, 2026 at 5:30 p.m. in the Lodge meeting room at Town Hall Annex 261 George Ryder Road to consider an application for a new annual entertainment license for outdoor amplified live and recorded music for
Chattamin Partners LLC doing business as the Cadamin. 359 Main Street, Cadam. All interested parties are encouraged to participate in person or remotely via the link in the posted agenda. >> Thank you, Clerk Potes. Now, a process
this evening, we're going to have uh Bill Riley, I believe. Is that Dne right there? >> Yes. >> Okay. Dan Dane speak. And then we have we do have a series of letters that I'm going to ask the clerk to read because this is a public hearing and we do read letters at public hearings here. Okay. So, Bill, if you're the lead here, take it away. and then Dane if you want to
speak and then we're going to go to letters and then select board comment as well. >> All right. Uh thank you very much. [clears throat] The excuse me so the chatammen uh would like to be able to provide
uh live music entertainment on her patio uh one night a week Thursdays for three hours from 6:00 to 9:00. Uh the music would be provided by an acoustic guitar [sighs and gasps] unamplified and then a microphone for
the singer, the performer. Uh we since the music's being provided for the patio, uh we don't think the music will be very loud at all. Uh, I know that there's always concern
that um people will be disturbed, but as I say, it's one night a week, Thursday nights uh for three hours. [sighs] Um, in addition, there's a request for recorded music.
Uh, and this was uh Dne is a recent arrival to the operation of the inn. uh and he informed me that uh the inn has been uh playing recorded music on the patio for about 10 years.
Uh they they have four speakers to the face uh from the inn out towards the street and two at the outer corners of the patio patio [clears throat] uh that face toward the inn. The music is just for uh people dining
on the patio. And if having four speakers uh that are pointing into the listening group means that the volume is very low, which would explain why uh there have been no complaints to
date. the previous owner of the inn, had started doing this and uh Dne's company, Noble House, just continued to what they thought was a tradition. So when they learned that they needed a entertainment license to do it, they included that uh
with their request for the live entertainment. Um so want to add anything, Dane? We're good. >> Uh thank you, Bill. Um so my name is Dane. I'm the new general manager of the Chadaman. I've been there for about 2
years now. Um I've seen the inn kind of transition from what it was before I started there. One of the biggest things for me is seeing it more approachable for the town to to enjoy to come in
there and enjoy the good food um and the good laughter and drinks. Uh cuz I think that inn had a stigma to it that it was you could only enter there if you were if you were part of like a guest there.
Um and I want to get that stigma away. Um because in reality what keeps that business thriving is the town and the community. Um, so having this live music piece, which right now would be ideal to
have between 6:00 and 9, but I know that, you know, for the neighbors for the neighborhood, if that's an inconvenience, I'm more than happy to maybe discuss a different time frame. But I think it's going to be able to bring that that atmosphere up um and
also create more money for our servers if it's if it's busier so we can support support support our team. >> Okay. Thank you, Dane. Thank you, Bill. I'll have uh clerk potach read the communications the letters that we we've received the emails and then I will
actually turn it over to the public that was sitting here. I understand there's folks here that want want to speak. That's great. And then we'll come back to the board. So, clerk clerk potach, please. Thank you, Mr. Chair. So, there are four letters alto together. The first one is from Lara Beck. I am the owner of property at 327 Main Street,
and I am concerned about this license application for outdoor amplified music at the Chattamin. Depending on the actual volume and time limitations, I'm concerned for both the quiet enjoyment of my own property and those of my neighbors, as well as the change in nature and ambiance of the old village.
Unfortunately, I cannot attend the upcoming meeting, but I wanted to let the committee know of my concerns. Thank you for your consideration. Next, we have one of two letters from Patricia Alman. Um, the first one is very short. Please do not let the Chattam Inn play
live music anytime, day or night, as it will destroy the peace of our embudding and surrounding neighborhood. We are so close together on the east side of the inn and can hear their cars and people come and go already already. Please do not allow this. We try to keep our
neighborhood residential and as quiet and beautiful as possible. Please don't allow this noise pollution. Also from Patricia Alman received on 610. I am the owner of 331 Main Street and I'm quite I'm quite concerned about the request from the Chattamin to have live
amplified music outside the building. We already have the outside bar at the inn that has many people outside during the summer months. And now this. We the Abbutters live in a historic residential area adjacent to an inn. And we enjoy sleeping with the windows open for the
wonderful air and be being able to enjoy our decks and outside areas. And no one wants to listen to that added noise. It will impact the nature and atmosphere of the old village and especially those of us who live right next to the inn. As I cannot attend the meeting due to work obligations, I wanted to be sure the
committee hears from me and my family about this. We've owned our home since 1985 and the noise, foot traffic, cars speeding up and down Main Street at night is very dangerous and the density in the summer has only increased. Our property values could also be negatively
impacted as well as setting a dangerous precedent for our town going forward. I hope that this will not happen and this will only because this would only add noise impact to my property and my surrounding community and neighborhood. Let's keep Chadam's charm and respect
for historic residential areas and not allow this encroachment on our home. Finally, we have a note from Denise Desmond. My name is Denise Desmond. I live directly across from the Eldridge Garage parking lot diagonally across from the Cadam Inn. I'd like to comment
on the inn's request for a new entertainment license for amplified outdoor live recorded music. I am opposed to this and I do not feel it's appropriate for our residential east end of Main Street. Uh there are many surrounding homes to the inn which are
very close. This neighborhood has always been the quiet and quiet end and pre predecessors of the current inn always maintained a low-key presence in fitting with our neighborhood in the light. If the license is granted, I'm concerned
with the noise which bounces all over down here, their parking issues and traffic. I'm so close to the inn's patio that I can hear whole conversations of their customers and I just don't think amplified live or recorded music makes any sense at all for this part of Main
Street and it would be disruptive to the peace of our neighborhood. Again, that was from Denise Desmond and that concludes our letters on that one. Okay, Clerk Potach, I will now turn to the public for those folks that would like to make comment. Uh, I'm not going to know folks by name. So, just please come up to the microphone and please identify
yourself and where you where you live. >> Hi, I'm Maria Anderson. >> Okay. >> And I live at 52 Chase Street, which is directly across the salt marsh from the Chattamin. In fact, if you look down their driveway across the salt salt marsh, which is a depression, you see
the back of my house. I have a number of con concerns. First of all, I am here for six of my closest neighbors, none of whom, except for us, received the certified letter notifying us of this meeting. My other neighbor immediately
to our left is exactly the same distance away from the chat in I assume there is a radius. I just want to let you know none of them were aware of this meeting. I come not only on my my behalf but from Sue and Mark McConnell 47 Chase Street,
Cara Majioni and Jay Gisner 62 Chase Street, Dan Gregory and Martha McCllum 59 Chase Street, Carol Peon, 14 Sunset, who has been in that house for decades.
and David McAdam, 52 School Street, also a decadesl long resident. My husband and I have been coming to Chadam, well, my family's been coming here since 1929, and we are now full-time residents of Chattam. I would like to point out that two of my neighbors on Chase Street are
summer and shoulder season residents and two others are summer residents and none of our properties are rented. We live directly across from Chase Street from the the Chadamin. We can hear the band concert on Friday nights.
Fortunately, only six week six individual nights during the summer we can hear the venue at 197 Bridge Street, which is very loud and amplified music. I think that if we suffer through the Chattam winters and want to be able to
use our outdoor space, besides the traffic on Main Street, which we hear, and yes, the conversations from the inn, which we hear, the last thing I want to be here, even one night a week, is music. Amplified music. Because what's the first thing people do if they're
having dinner and there's amplified music? They talk louder. I'm also very concerned about setting the precedent for amplified music. I know recently there were cases with the Squire and Appallayia where that was not allowed or
it was significantly restricted and because neighbors objected. And I really think you need to take into consideration not only immediate me neighbors on Main Street, but those of us across the old cranberry bog who hear
everything. And I would really I understand people want to have a good time, but we also have rental houses where occasionally there'll be bullhorns and bachelorette parties even in the middle of the day with ears
spplitting music. And I so I'm strongly opposed for any sort of amplified music. And I want to let you know that I also speak for my six closest neighbors and again none of whom received the notice of this meeting. Thank you. >> Thank you, Marie.
[sighs] The gentleman next in line. My name is James Anderson. I also live at 50 Chase Street. In the interest of time, simply ditto. I I have the same opinion
as my wife um and that we are opposed to the proposal for live uh amplified live or recorded music from the end. As she said, we do hear everything. We hear the cleaning up at
night. We hear, as the the letter writer said, we hear the traffic. We hear the parking. Um we hear the conversations. U appreciate that the request is a a
seemingly modest one for plans for only acoustic um guitar one night a week. Well, great, but what about next year? Well, that went well. Let's expand it.
It simply opens the door um to more. And as the as a letter writer said, it is a residential neighborhood and we appreciate the the quiet nature of it. Thank you.
>> Thank you, James. Thank you. I'm Michelle Kleinoff and I live at 384 Main Street which is located right at the east end of Main Street towards Shore Road and School Street. Um the area is residential beyond the
business area. other than the Cadam Inn um and the Eldridge Garage, which was generously restored by a donation from one of our neighbors to reflect and maintain the historic preservation of the Eldridge Garage history. Our
residential area is made up mostly of year-round residents, which I am part-time summer residents, and then we have a cluster of summer rentals. I'm tonight I'm speaking on behalf of the Willow Ben condo where I live and my
neighbors directly across the street um from the inn and the parking garage regarding the Chadam's application for an annual entertainment um license for outdoor amplification music.
In addition to the grave concerns we have regarding the noise noise level issues with music and partygoers, we are also very concerned about parking and traffic issues. Let us remember that the Eldridge Garage provides overflow
parking for the Chattam residents with town stickers and visitors to use our shops, enjoy our restaurants in the lighthouse beach area. The inn's attraction would marketkedly take away from these spaces and cause I think
unduly amount of increase in traffic. Other impacts to consider would be calls to the police department to address abuse and to enforce noise level causing a strain on their resources. Also calls to real estate officers from
disgruntled renters. Rental complaints dropped rating reviews to property owners that rent would greatly hurt their rental income. Recent past town decisions in the past have thoughtfully declined the
Chattamson petition to do an expansion. And prior to that, when the Eldridge garage was being complete, the parking area was being completed, food trucks wanted to enter in and that was voted down for the above concerns due to noise levels and parking spaces.
The predecessor to the Cadam in the Cranberry Inn maintained an a beautifully low pri low low profile key to preserve the character of this historic area. I trust and the people I speak for that
you will continue to do the right thing and you will vote against this outrageous application that will cause an abuse and ensure that our residents continue to have the right to a peaceful living environment. Thank you. >> Thank you Michelle
>> Janine Rivet. My husband Warren Herod and I live at one Isaac Hardy Lane, which is directly across from the Cadam Inn, and have the same concerns that were written in the letters by our neighbors. And in addition, um, all of
the other comments here at the podium. And if it starts small, it can get big. And small isn't good to begin with. And so, I also would suggest that we really think this through and think what would happen and the various consequences. And I might add the Chadam in doesn't
even know if they'll get no more business doing this. And so it's an unknown reason to do this. I might suggest that they think about a different branding approach and let us keep our quiet neighborhood. >> Uh ma'am, could you please repeat your name? I I didn't get it. >> Janine Rivet.
>> Griffin. >> RIV. >> Oh, okay. Rivet. Janine Rivet. Okay. Thank you, >> Shauna Neely. >> Hi. I just wanted to point out that the applicant did follow the um notice to abut's requirements of 300 ft from the
inn's property and we do have 40 um return receipts for notifications. >> Okay. Thank you, Shauna. Any other anybody online that would like to speak to this issue? This it is a public hearing hearing. Seeing no one, I will come back. Do we have some I'm sorry.
Okay. KM Kate McCormack, you're being recognized. >> Yes. Can you hear me? Yes, we can. >> Um, my name is Kate McCormack. I, um, with my husband own a house at 19 Willow Bend. Um, it's a family home. We've, um,
bought a house over 14 years ago and have enjoyed many, many good times there. Um, we have, uh, taken advantage of the proximity of the Chattamin to put up family members when we've had too many people there. We've eaten at the restaurant. And while we enjoy having
them as part of um downtown, I do oppose the licensing uh request um for the same reasons that other people have talked about it uh interrupting our peace and enjoyment of our home. Um I think the
uh suggestion that that this is um needed in order for the in to get more business or to help the servers. Um I think we can all appreciate that. But I think the real constraint on the inn is the size and that patio is only so big. And if you've ever gone there, you can't
get in to get a seat. Um they appears that they have at least in the the high season, in the shoulder seasons, um excuse me, plenty um of business. Um that's all that I have. Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you, Kate. Any other
comments? All right. I'll return to the board here for questions of the applicants and or comments on the application. I'll start with Mr. Meadows. >> Um yeah, I'm going to throw this out to actually um any of Butter who is willing to answer this because reading the
packet going into this thinking, okay, uh there there's two ask. One is the background amplified music and one is the weekly live acoustic music. So, looking at two first, once a week, 6:00 p.m. to 9:00 p.m. 3-hour window, that seems kind of a reasonable ask. Um, then
the applicant, the manager was like, "Hey, I want to be a good neighbor. I'm willing to have a conversation." So, that I appreciate that tone that you you want to work with the neighborhood. So, we're off to a good start with this. And then, attorney Riley mentioned on the
background of amplified music that this has happened for years. So it the amplified music has existed. So I'm trying to get an understanding from the neighbors if anyone would like to comment. Do you hear this amplified music? If you do hear it, has it been
disruptive? I know you hear noises, talking, cars, traffic closing up at night, but specifically the amplified music that has been provided to the patio in past years. Have you picked up on it and and what is
your impression of it? I guess my question. Um >> please Michelle. >> Um >> yes, Michelle. Yeah. >> Um actually sorry. We have to go to the We have to go to the podium. >> Please you have to please. Thank you. >> To be very honest with you, I was
surprised when he indicated that there was amplified music. um in my and I live very close. I I do not hear that amplification. >> So, wherever they think they're amplifying it from, I
>> Well, I know when in, you know, I'm not a sound specialist, but I know when you get certain kind of speaker systems that are pointed in certain directions, you kind of close an envelope in so the noise kind of stays restrained within a certain area so it doesn't, you know, leak out. Um, so I'm just trying to
frankly trying to verify if if what we're concerned about being disruptive has been occurring for a while and has it not been disruptive and just so I get a clear picture of you know what >> I'm speaking for myself. >> Yes. No, I appreciate that. I appreciate
>> um from what I I understand if if that's what they're considering considering amplification, why are you even bothering being here tonight? Um because they're asking for a particular license and actually they're frankly just they're being out fraud like
>> but but what degree of the amplification are we talking about? [snorts] Um I'm just saying I I am surprised that was even >> um brought up. >> Well, I look at it as if we actually would um approve a license for outside
amplified music and it is becomes a nuisance area then we have some teeth to work with the you know and and control it. Um where >> I guess my comment would be you give an inch and then it it gets out of control. I'm sorry. >> No, just looking for clarification myself. So, thank you.
>> I would like that clarification as well. >> I appreciate it. Thank you. >> Okay. I I think Mr. Niccastro would like to recognize you. >> Yeah. Thank you. I I think Corey's correct to separate these two parts of the application. And with respect to the
amplified music, apparently it runs from 8 o'clock in the morning to 10 o'clock at night, >> right? >> And I guess it's been undertaken for several years without a license. But it it is curious to know whether it has
been a problem. If it's not a problem, then perhaps we can sanction it uh or with rest with certain limitations or whatever. But I I don't know how other neighbors feel about that. Um the other
issue uh 6 to9 that's a different that's a new uh that's innovation that's being proposed and you know we certainly hear from a number of the neighbors that they don't like that. So that's something I'm certainly going to take into
consideration. Those are my comments at the moment. >> Okay. Thank you Dean. Uh anybody else on the board? Randy. >> Um yes. Thank you. So um just going to take these one at a time. Um, I would not be inclined to allow for amplified music to be playing from 800 am to 10
pm. I think that's, you know, above and beyond what people should expect in a neighborhood who wants to listen to music all day long and evening. I mean, you probably could just go out of your mind with that. So, um, I would not support that. Um, and I do, um, have
some, uh, flexibility with them to have, um, once a week accus I'm not good at this word. acoustic performance on Thursdays. And I would be willing to entertain the idea of 6 to 8 perhaps. Um I don't think that's
unreasonable and I think it also supports the arts, you know, to have some live musicians come just once a week and uh provide a service. I think that's good for the economy. I think it's it's good for the restaurant, which is also good for the economy. Um, so
unless there's a lot of uh push back on that, I I I would just open that up for a discussion. That >> Okay, Randy. Uh, Steuart Smith. >> Thank you. Uh, Jeff. >> Yep. >> So, could we go back to the first um public
speaker? Um, yes. I'm sorry. >> I'm sorry, Marie. Um, >> you mentioned something about hearing uh, it's somewhat related to this, trying to ascertain what's going on, but on Bridge Street music from >> Yes, there's a there's a wedding venue
at the Mac Estate at 197 Bridge Street. Okay. >> And they have, but they are limited to six weddings a year. >> Okay. >> So, what I'm saying is that we already have a lot of noise. >> Right. Right. >> Um, and can I just talk about the recorded the uh, everyday music? So that
is ambient music. That's background music. When you walk when you walk down the street, if you're listening closely, you can hear it. That's very different than an singer with a microphone. >> And that's the issue with the amplified music that they're asking for. You know,
acoustic guitar, great. Singer with a microphone. What kind of music? Male, female, how loud? Right? Microphones have variable volumes. And so, you know, ambient music playing as just kind of the mood that
you kind of hear as you walk by is I guess it's technically amplified because it's coming through speakers, but the issue is an actual performer or a lot or recorded music, which to me leads to a DJ.
>> Okay. So, Stuart. >> Yeah, sure. I have a couple other >> Yeah, go ahead. >> Um, go ahead. Ref, somebody might maybe Joe refresh my memory on the um the noise bylaw. Uh does it apply to these establishments? It's 150 ft, I think.
And it but it applies here. Is that right? >> I'm pretty sure it does. I don't Shauna, if you want to weigh in on that one. >> It is 150 ft, Steuart. >> Yeah, >> remember that. >> It's 150 ft from a building, but um anyone any establishment licensed under chapter 138, which are liquor licenses,
are exempt. Okay. So, I mean, my my thinking is that I I generally support these types of initiatives because, you know, I think, you know, businesses are vital here in
town. I'm looking at this one slightly differently. Um, it it sits on the edge of a uh of a residential neighborhood. Um, we already do have a lot of noise going
on. Um, and um, so I think that I'm concerned about the the 8 to 10 as uh, I think that that's a long day to to listen to amplified music. And, you know, I'm I'm not sure I'm even
crazy about the amplified music once a week. Um, did where um, >> one second, one sec. Uh, did you uh did you consider non-amplified music outside on Thursday?
>> Well, the the uh we're certainly willing to, you know, the idea of an acoustic guitar and perhaps the singer would not have a microphone. >> Yeah. Um I mean, it seems to me that that's
something, you know, that you may want to consider. Um, and I don't know if that would require a new application or revised or how that >> modify this. >> I don't think so. >> We could do it by motion. We could do it by motion, but I have >> Stuart, you for now. I'm good. Thank
you. >> I I really think it's important to bifrocate the two requests. The request for the amplified music, ambient music on the patio that's already been occurring for 10 years, it doesn't bother me. And frankly, I I hear that it doesn't bother the neighborhood. Well,
that's what I wanted. That's what I wanted to point out. >> And you guys are going you're going to get permission and I get that and so I'm I'm willing to grant that permission. If it doesn't bother the neighborhood, I don't care if it's from 8 in the morning, you know, or 10 in the morning, but I'm good with it. And I think you pos, as Corey noted, I think you you've
positioned the speaker so that it doesn't filter out into the neighborhood and bother folks, right? >> So, I I I would like, if I could, I would like to bifrocate the issue because I think they're two very separate issues here. as Dean noted as well >> as a as a followup to that Jeeoff I think I think you're right they should
be I think they should be separated >> but I'll you know on number one background amplified me we would like to offer lowlevel I mean that says >> I know >> it doesn't say to me that that's been happening for 10 years it it says to me that this is something newer >> so I don't I don't know I don't go there
so >> it's the same system same musical system and I would like to point out that the last speaker indicated that when she's walking by if you listen you can hear it >> but if you're just walking by you can't even hear it good >> Miss Potas are you done you good am
>> potass I just want to clarify background amplified is that different from ambient because to me ambient is just very you know low like the radio is on but amplified so this says amplified and I don't support that
>> so it's it's definitely just background uh music to support the atmosphere And I know I had put on there from 8:00 am to 10 p.m. but in reality I just did that as a broad so we could open the discussion. Um but our breakfast service
runs from 8 to 10. So that's typically where we would have ambient music playing and if needed we can stop it at in the middle of the afternoon so there's a break and then start up for our dinner service. The bar opens at 4 4 p.m. >> So is ambient and and amplified the same
thing? I I depending on how you verify those words. Yes, it's back it's back it's background music. >> It's played through >> it's played it's played through >> I don't think it is amplified means you have an amplifier. >> No, it's but it is played through electric speakers. >> Yeah,
>> but it's as as the previous speaker said, you can't hear it unless you're actually >> walking by and paying attention to it. So, I I really think uh the neighbors have indicated that ambient ambiance music has not been a
problem. >> I am okay. >> Mr. Niccastro, you have your hands up. Hand up. >> You're muted. >> You're on mute. >> I think on issue number one, we're approaching a solution here. Me, too. uh
if we could perhaps compromise by um permitting and and when we say this goes back 10 years I think the previous ownership you know push the envelope um and I don't recall they ever came to the town for permission on this so I
applaud the applicant for doing this um on this issue but perhaps we could um permit ambient music at the same sound levels that are currently in place. Um, for from
8:00 a.m. through I think the gentleman said 10 a.m. and from 400 p.m. through I don't know if we go as far out as 10, but break it up that way and then then we have it on the books and if there's a
violation it can be enforced. I don't know if that's agreeable to the applicant but that's what I would propose. Mr. Riley and then I am going to recognize Shauna Neely. I believe Shauna has a point as well. Mr. Riley, >> the the uh basically what what Dana
suggested is instead of a continuous we would only play it doing food service times. So breakfast, a little bit of lunch and then in the dinner service >> 8 to 10, 12 to 2, 4 to 4 to 9.
Yes. >> Okay. 8 to 10, 12 to 2, 4 to 9. >> Uh, the background. I mean, I that's I'm just I'm just throwing that out there. >> Can we do 4 to 10? Because that's typically when we we don't really allow
we don't like guests out on the patio past 10. We usually shut in previous years, we've actually shut it down. Um, turn off the fire pits and everything to get people inside. Um, just for sound sound reasons. >> Okay, Dane. Uh Stuart,
>> I'm sure I'm just wondering maybe Shauna could help, but um if so the bylaw won't apply because they're exempt because of the statute. So how how does this get policed from a noise perspective?
>> So first let me clarify that the trigger to require an entertainment license is when you advertise that you are having an offering an entertainment. So, ambient music in the background isn't something that requires an entertainment
license. Um, just for an example, the wild goose on their patio, they have speakers outside. If you're walking by, like it's been mentioned, you can hear it, especially in, you know, quieter times of the year. But when there's people out there, it's really difficult
to hear that ambient music in the background because people are talking and eating and enjoying their meals. So, it's really the um the the advertising that you have an entertainment, a singer, a a speaker, a DJ um that you're
that you're offering to the public is what triggers an entertainment license. Okay. >> So, in this case, it would be the one day a week, 6 to9, 6 to 10 or whatever. >> Um the other issue is um noise complaints are still made to the police
department which tracks them. Um, we do inquire of the police department when licenses come up for renewal if there have been any complaints. If there have been, we then share that information with the board. But it's they they're not enforcing the noise complaint bylaw.
They're just taking complaints, addressing them with management if that's an issue. They've done that several times with the squire over the years. >> Right. Thank you. >> Welcome, >> Randy. Did you have something? >> There there's a woman there. >> Sh. I'm sorry. >> Okay. Okay. And then we'll move on here. I think we've come to some
>> I think we're we're at a really tricky situation here because I would like to understand what they mean by ambient music. >> Okay. >> And why are they even and and the word amplification in this license? So, um
and also nobody's talking about the traffic and the parking issues. >> Well, I >> So, I'm just one at a time, Michelle. One at a time. >> I know, but I just want to make sure we're not missing any. doing our best. Okay. >> But the amplification and the ambient is really a trick. We're
really on a a murky ground here. So, >> I have grave concerns >> if it's not if it not to prolong, but it's my understanding that the ambient background music has been there all along. Is that a misunderstanding on our part or an understanding? It's been there all along,
>> but really the reason why they didn't apply for it is because you don't have to apply for it. >> Okay. So, so, so in fact, in fact, we're wasting our time with the per first part of this year, >> right? >> Okay. So, uh we're wasting our time. We're not going to even opine on the ambient background music because it's a
waste of our time. It's not under under our purview for >> so we would we would offer uh just an acoustic guitar. >> Okay. >> And an unamplified uh singer accompanying himself on an acoustic guitar >> one night a week.
>> Yes. Um >> well 6 to9 is what I had proposed. >> All right. Thoughts on that folks? I'm back to the board. Um Mr. matters. >> Scaling back down the amplification component. I appreciate that. I think I
think 6 to9 actually I think having a three-hour window adds some um benefit because you're allow kind of kind of almost two sections of service. Um if you condense it to only two hours, you're going to everyone trying to park at the same time, more foot traffic,
more vehicle traffic, but everyone's trying to cluster into that where you have it broadened the three hours. you you're gonna have a little more flow. Group's going to come in, groups going to leave. It's I mean it's an hour. U I think there's some benefit personally.
>> Mr. Matter, Mr. Smith. >> So, uh number one, background amplified music that's gone. >> Gone >> because >> apparently maybe it's not amplified like we thought it was. It's gone. It'll be >> basically what has been taking place.
Hopefully, nobody has noticed. And now we're on to number two, which is Thursdays 6:00 to 9, which is amplified. Uh, >> the prop proposal, Stuart, is to have acoustic guitar and a singer with no amplifications. >> Now they're taking So, they're taking Yeah. Okay. They're taking out the
>> Yep. >> Okay. I just want to because I I do want to hear from what the public's thinking, you know, the neighbors thinking is on that that those modifications. >> Michelle. Okay. And then, oh, Sarah, I to recognize you. I haven't recognized
you yet. Hello board. John Charles, 28 Mil Pond Road, 50 years. Uh I was involved last year with the board when Applia and the squire applied for amplified music and we all came up with scenario that there's no amplification.
>> Yeah. >> And Applia was limited to two days a week and I live right near there and I have not heard anything for a year. The unamplification is key I think to this whole process. Um
the ambient music that's a good question. I never I never looked at the difference world to amp amp ambient and amplification but um when we got to the point where the board decided that worked and we also put in last year that it should be under review
>> a year later or two years later or something like that. So I would present that as a as a possibility for everybody. So >> which is actually being suggested at this point in this here. >> Yes, I know. It just it just Yeah. >> Yeah. He just suggested no amplification. So
>> I think and I think we would have gotten there to be honest with you. >> Well, thank you very very much. >> Just here to help. Yes. Thank you. >> Yeah. Okay. Michelle, one more time. Typically we're typically a recognized person once. So I've gone way over my >> understand acoustic guitar. Is it an
acoustic guitar amplified? >> It is not. >> Okay. >> All right. And can I also propose for the the residents that this would be reviewed? >> It will be reviewed. >> Yes. Yep. >> How? >> And the singer, Excuse me. >> They haven't hired me yet, Stuart.
[laughter] >> The sing the singer is uh not into a microphone is my understanding. It's just >> Okay. And nobody's concerned about parking issues or the overflow of traffic and the noise that's going to create and the congestion. It
>> it would be a one heck of a good acoustic guitar player and singer to attract a large gathering every Thursday night. Anyway, >> the the issue of parking is probably coming up on a future agenda here. >> The issue of parking. >> Yeah, >> it's been on the agenda many times.
>> It's one of my agenda items. Normally I don't speak up but So will we have a timeline where we readress this so it's not being taken advantage of it doesn't become an issue. >> We'll see how we craft the motion Michelle but it will be reviewed. Okay. >> And to that end uh okay we can like to
move on here. I think we've come to some some kind of consensus. I would love to hear a motion from someone here. Otherwise I'll I'll propose one. >> You want to do it? Good. >> Well, I was going to say that um I move to uh allow uh weekly acoustic music
that's not amplified from 6:00 to 9 on Thursday nights. >> Fair. >> Second. >> I'll second that. >> And and I think with a review >> with a review also with review an annual review of how it goes and depending you know obviously people can complain if
there's complaints then we'll deal with them. >> Okay. Annual with an annual review. All set. We get a second. >> I'll second the review. >> Thank you. I'll call the role. Mr. Smith, >> I. >> Miss Potes. Hi. >> Mr. Meadows. >> Hi. >> And the chair says I as well. Mr. Duncan
says I. And Dean. Dean. Sorry. >> I just wanted to ask is the S does the motion include the singer without a microphone. It just says acoustic music. >> Yes. >> Okay. Yep. >> I. >> Yep. Thank Okay. >> Thank you very much.
>> Dean, did you say I? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Okay. Thank you, sir. All right, here we go. We have two more public hearings this evening. >> We have two more public hearings ahead of us this evening. And I will uh this next one is uh regarding a
I'm going to wait till the room clears just a little bit. The next public hearing considers an application for a new seasonal all alcoholic beverages license for this is my jam LLC doing business as Hey Joe and Jam. And I will turn to the clerk for the reading of the public notice.
>> All right. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Notice is hereby given that the Chattam Select Board will hold a public hearing on Tuesday, June 16th, 2026 at 5:30 p.m. in the Lodge meeting room at the office located at the Annex 261 George Ryder Road Chattam and remotely via Microsoft
Teams platform to consider an application for a new seasonal all alcoholic beverages restaurant license for this is my Jam LLC doing business as Hey Joe and Jam. Andrea Tui, manager for
the business located at 16 Squanset Road in Chadam. The public is welcome to attend the meeting in person or participate via the link in the posted agenda. >> Nobody. >> So, it's funny. We're having a public hearing and I don't see Dre anywhere
online. The applicant is not here. So, um, we need to postpone the hearing. >> Um, continue it. Correct. >> Continue. Should we just continue it for >> September? I mean, >> June 30th. I amen. >> June 30th. >> Amen. That's the next meeting. >> I move that we continue the public
hearing to June 30th, 2026. >> Second. >> Okay. Mr. Smith, >> I miss potach. >> Hi, >> Mr. Meadows. >> I >> and the chair says I as well. Um, we have a third public hearing. >> Oh, I'm sorry, Dean. She, you know, it's
I'm having a tough time. Dean says you say I as well, Dean. >> Yes. >> Okay. Thank you, Dean. Okay. >> Okay. We have a third public hearing this evening to consider an application for new annual entertainment license for outdoor live acoustic music for Mustard Seed LLC doing business as Cotto Mexican
Chicken 859 Main Street Chadam. I'll have uh the clerk please read the public notice. >> Sure. Um, notice hereby given that the Chattam Select Board will hold a public hearing on Tuesday, June 16th, 2026 at 5:30 p.m. in the large meeting room at Town Hall Annex 261 George Ryder Road to
consider an application for a new annual entertainment license for outdoor live acoustic music for Mustard Seed LLC doing business as Cotto Mexican Kitchen 859 Main Street Chatam. All interested parties are encouraged to participate in
the in person or remotely via the link posted on the agenda. >> Is there a representative of Mustard Seed LLC doing business as Cotto here this evening? There is not. Okay. So, I just want to emphasize we will have to continue this hearing as well having
been read in the to our minutes um till June 30th and make sure someone's here. I'll emphasize the the the note in here that this is un non-amplified on the patio. [laughter] Okay, that has to be continued. Do >> you want a formal motion? >> I move that we continue it till June
30th >> and second. >> Okay, Mr. Smith >> I. >> Miss Potass. >> I >> Mr. Meadows >> I. >> Mr. Ncastro >> I. >> Mr. Dyken says I. Thank you. Thanks folks. Okay, onward and upward.
We do not have a consent agenda this evening and we have an opportunity for folks to comment on the business agenda. We allow comment on every one of these items that's forthcoming including the award of a general obligation loan, the Orleans adult supported day uh K care
memor memorandum of agreement with the town of Orleans, an historic request for consideration of our consideration of perhaps an historic preservation restriction by the historical commission. an update on our 90 Bridge Street uh budget update, our project on
90 Bridge Street for shelfish propagation equipment and uh saltwater equipment. And a uh a uh a learning uh uh session if you will, an education session on our aquaer, our monoy lens groundwater. We're calling it a briefing. I can't wait for that to be
honest with you. And then a consideration of a committee appointments and we also will have an executive session this evening with no return to open session. So, is there anybody at present that is not going to be here during the discussions forthcoming that would like to speak to these issues? Now,
I hear and see no one. Okay. We'll go on to our business agenda. The first item for our consideration this evening is the award of a general obligation loan in the amount of $8,780,000. Our director of finance, Carrie Maser, is here to take us through that issue.
Carrie. >> Thank you, Mr. Chair, and good evening, members of the board. Uh Carrie Mazerell, director of finance. Um I am here tonight to go over the um general obligation bond for um to cover the
costs of expenses that we have incurred. Um the town of Cadam um as you know received the tripleA bond rating from standard and pores on May 27th. Um AAA is the highest bond rating available to m municipalities
um and reflects the town's uh strong financial management um healthy reserves and u long-term planning. Um Fidelity Fidelity Capital Markets um submitted the lowest true interest cost at 3.406%.
Um the bid included uh a premium of approximately 766,000 reducing the amount that needs to be financed from um 9.4 million to 8.78 million. We received um seven bids for
the bond issue. Um these funds will support the ongoing uh projects for the waterfront bond and wastewater um infrastructure projects that we have going on in town. Um, do you have any questions? Uh,
that's >> uh any questions from the board for Carrie? Um, >> Corey, anybody? I think, you know, just a comment. I think it's great to get seven bids. I've been through this process a number of times in the not for profofit world and that that's good.
That shows a lot of interest. I think that true all interest cost is excellent. 3.41%. So, >> yeah, >> 3.406 406 and Fidelity. Fidelity has owned our bonds and they include them in their mutual their bond mutual funds and they love them. So, >> yep, the interest [clears throat] rate
is down. Um, I've seen it go down the past couple years, so this is the lowest I've seen it. >> Well, I think the timing is probably probably pretty darn good. >> Um, there is a suggested uh draft motion on our package and I would entertain someone reading that motion.
>> All right. >> Thanks. Review. Uh, where did we go? Yep. >> Um, I move that we award the 8,780,000 general obligation municipal purpose loan for 2026 bonds dated June 25th,
2026, parenthesis, the bonds to Fidelity Capital Markets in accordance with the terms set forth in the attached bid and notice of of sale related to the bonds and as detailed in the attach quote vote of the select board unquote.
I'll second that. >> Okay. Uh, comments? I hear none. Mr. Smith, I'll run the role. Mr. Smith, >> hi. Uh, >> Miss Potach. Hi, >> Mr. Meadows. Hi, >> Mr. Niccastro. >> Hi. >> And the chair says I as well. Carrie, good job. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. Have a good night.
>> Yes, you too. >> Thank you. >> Okay, our next item on our business agenda is to consider uh the Orleans adult supportive day care memorandum of agreement with the town of Orleans. This is an intermin intermunicipal agreement with Orleans that has supported our uh
adult daycare program u housed in Orleans um known as the Rock Harbor Restbite program. And I will turn it over to Jill Goldmith and Leah if she's online. >> Sure. Thank you, Mr. Chair. So, we have Leah, our director of community services with us. This is a one-year memorandum
of agreement for those participants currently participating with or at the town of Orleans. Uh we are currently have two people who are participating and Orleans is not accepting any new uh clients. We do have our Adel tape Dave
program um which will continue with the the recent move as of this week um over to the community center, but I'm happy to to turf it over to Leah if you have anything else to add. Thank you. >> Yeah, Leah, the only question one might have is uh we still have two participants with our own offering. Why
are the participants still over there? Um, it's a great question. Um, with with the day program, the two pro the two participants who are remaining have been long-term participants in the Orleans day program. Um, with a with dementia,
um, a change in environment, a change in routine can be extremely detrimental to the person. Um, it's very disruptive to both the participant and the caregiver. Um so we have we since we've opened our program we have honored our commitment
to let them stay um until they progress to such time where they they're no longer appropriate for a day program. So we had we started um off with approximately 17. Last year we were down to four and this year we're down to two.
As um the town manager noted, Orleans will not um accept any more Chattam residents. So any new people we have are coming to us. We now we currently have eight people in our day program. >> Okay. Thank you, Leah. That that's a
great explanation. Thank you very much. >> Any this is this is an annual renewal? >> Yes. >> Okay. Right. >> Um but it's important to note that um that if either party wants to cancel it, we can with I believe it says in the
contract 30 days notice. >> Okay. And I noticed you struck the word care from daycare and I referred to it as daycare. It's really a day day program. I get it. >> Yes. Thank you for noticing that. [laughter] >> Okay. Uh >> it's okay. It's >> this is fairly perpuncture you guys. Any
questions for Leah? Any comments or suggest it's okay? I entertain a motion. Mr. matters. >> I'm just just reading one quick little me. >> Sorry, I'm just reading one quick little memo. Um because the Orleans select board is is looking at this tomorrow evening and I don't see them having we
don't think there's going to be any issues. This is this seems very straightforward, >> Leo. >> No, they I don't think they'll have any issues and they they signed off on my um proposed changes. >> All right. Then I then I move that the select board approve and sign the memorandum of agreement between the town
of Chadam and the town of Orleans for the Orleans COA adult supportive day program. >> Second that. >> Thank you very much. And we'll call the role. Mr. Smith >> I. >> Miss Potach. >> Hi. >> Uh Mr. Niccastro >> I. >> Mr. Matters. >> Hi. >> And Mr. Dykin says I as well. Leah,
thank you. Jill, thank you. >> Thank you very much. >> You bet. Thank you, Leah. Okay, moving on. The ne our next item on the agenda, our business agenda is the consideration of uh the that has been requested by the historical commission um for our
consideration of whether we'd be interested in a property might be to uh have preservation restrictions uh placed upon it. Whether we're open to the notion or not, I think is the topic of conversation this evening. Um Katie Dunovan is at the podium and then I see
Mr. uh Frank Msino approaching as well. So Katie, off to you and let's see what we think. >> Thank you, Mr. Chair, members of the board. Again, Katie Dunovan, assistant town manager and director of community development. Um, and joined by um, as you mentioned by Frank Msina, chair of the historical commission. And the
historical commission had um, or Mr. Msina on behalf of the historical commission had written a letter to the board uh, to determine whether or not the the town is still willing to be holders of preservation restriction. um preservation restrictions. The town
currently holds three preservation restrictions for properties on Water Street um that are owned by the YW.CA of Philadelphia, otherwise known as the Avis Chase Cottages. Um and those um that those preservation restrictions
were accepted by the board in 2012. Um so the um as the chair of the historical commission mentioned in his letter, there is a potential property owner that may be interested in um putting a preservation restriction on their
property and that process uh needs to be needs to be um vetted through with mass mass historical commission um and has to follow a certain process but that onus is all on the property owner. what would be the town's responsibility as being
the holder of the restriction. Um only governmental agencies um trusts and other um historic preservation nonprofits um can be legally holders of preservation restrictions. So the question before you tonight is is this something that the town is willing to
entertain? And if so, um, we could work with the, uh, property owner that's interested or future property owners and then, um, bring something more concrete in form of a restriction back to the board. And I'll turn it over to Frank for any other
>> Mr. Msina, please. >> Hi. You know, people often ask me, "What is this?" Do you guys know what this is? But the public doesn't always know what this is. As much money as we've spent on this facility, if you're sitting in that
audience and you're past 39, okay, it's very difficult to hear, okay? And somehow, just a quick aside, [snorts] we should make it more noticeable, or at least somehow let people know that there's a way to hear
what's going on between the fact that everybody doesn't talk into the microphone and everybody doesn't lean back and the sound coming from the various computers, uh, you know, uh, it's difficult to hear. So, anyway, just a quick aside. Thank you very much. Um,
you know, uh, very simply, uh, we had a request. We the historical commission had a request uh from uh protect our past Ellen Briggs and that group who's doing a really great job about someone in town who was interested in
uh creating a preservation restriction. It's a elderly woman who was a beautiful piece of property and a beautiful home and she wants to sell it and as she passes on but she wanted the property protected. the ultimate way to protect
the property. You know, we have national registered district, we have the historic district, and all of these are nice, but it doesn't really provide 100% protection in perpetuity for to to maintain a house. I think is as uh was
indicated by Miss Donovan. We do have one home in Chadam or one property which you I'm sure you're aware of. The YW.CA was very controversial. We had the Boston YW.CA CA competing with the Philadelphia YW.CA. And there was a
there was an agreement and the historical commission, my former chair and good friend Don Aman was heavily involved in trying to come up with that and we did and uh there was the town was very cooperative at the time because it was the heart of the old village and we
wanted to see it preserved. Okay. Um, so we really haven't had a request at all in the past or recently and anytimes. This has got to be 10 years ago when that >> 2012. >> Oh my goodness, time flies. Uh but uh so
we do have this request and you know as as you all know the uh the pressures on development in town are are significant and you know and we're getting a lot of uh a lot of requests from people what can I do to save my house after I move
on. And so what we would like to do the historical commission and working with protect our past is to encourage people to do this. Okay. And so before the historical commission raised our hand and say, "Yeah, we're going to encourage people to do it because the town of Chadam is involved in the sense that
it's a it's a it's a commitment from the people of Chadam, the town of Chadam, uh, and the historical commission to be the people who hold the comm hold the restriction." And in this case, for instance, the YW.CA, the town of Chattam
agreed and allowed the historical commission to hold the restriction. What does that mean? that you know 20 years from now if someone from the YWCA decide that a change the property changes hand and somehow the new people want to make
a significant change. Okay, whoopsie. You know, you can't do that. And the changes that you could make to a a property under a preservation restriction, it's defined. You can say you can't paint, you know, you can you can set it. So, it's up to the owner to
set the requirements of the preservation restriction. And this is not done in a vacuum. The historic, it's not just the historical commission say, "This is an historically significant house. We're going to let you do this." Not that we let them do it. Mass historic is involved. They will determine whether this truly is a historically significant
home and it's worthy of protection under the Mass Historical Commission guidelines. So, there's some back and forth. Uh just a quick note and I'm sure that Katie is aware the the the the majority or 100% of the cost of this the
legal cost is borne by the applicant not by the town. >> What's the town involvement? Obviously when there is a preservation restriction and it's going to be you know accepted the town you're going to have to ask your attorney to review the restriction and to make sure you know we're not
agreeing to something that we can't do. And then the issue of of enforcement that potentially does have a uh a cost involved. For instance, if someone at the YWCA decides they want to change something, it comes to the town the uh
for a pres for a u a u uh a building permit. The hopefully the town through their process, which they always do, they will pull the file on that particular town and say, "Wait a second. this this property has a preservation restriction. The historical commission
has to be notified. We would look at it. We would evaluate it. And we'd say yes, you what you [snorts] requested is in accordance with the preservation restriction or no, it's not. Now, there's potentially cost involved or could be cost. Uh it is my understanding
and we have to work out the details that there could there will be money set set aside to cover those potentially enforcement procedures in the future. So there's some of the details we have to work out with town attorney, but it is a commitment. So before we even proceed
>> at all, we wanted to get, you know, I went to Katie. Katie went to the to the attorney and he basically, if I understand the the writing in in Miss Donovan's uh note, he said, "Yeah, we can do this, but you know, we need to look into it." And that's kind of what
what we're doing. You know, what we the historical commission is doing. We want to begin the process at least get your understanding and allow us to proceed. I would just kind of make one one comment. Um the one with the YW.CA was
complicated because there were multiple parties legal. It doesn't have to be that complicated. Okay. And I think Mass Historic is attempting to encourage a more streamlined version of it because more and more people are looking to to do this. And uh and that's something
which we're going to be looking into working with Mass Historic to find a more streamlined version. It doesn't have to be as complicated as that document you saw on the YW.CA. And that's kind of where we're going. I think that's it.
>> Okay. Well, that that's helpful. Very helpful. Now it's really ownerdriven and the owner is trying to preserve his or her property in perpetuity in basically the same structure, look, feel architectural, whatever she decides, you
know, >> you can't paint it >> sart. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, calico cat, you know, you can't do that. There's things that you cannot do and it's up to the owner to determine the requirements of the restriction. >> Right. Right. It's it's similar to uh a
u a conservation restriction which also can have various conditions. >> You know, you can't you can you can trim certain kinds of of of uh shrubs, you can take down certain trees, but there are certain things you can't do on a conservation restriction. does the same
thing it allows and and I guess fortunately Chattam I don't know what percentage we got a high percentage of of of properties in Chattam which are preserved but there are preservation restrictions >> and it's written right into the deed >> say again >> becomes part of the deed >> it is it would be part of oh yeah the
deed that's that's again that's back where the attorney is involved and the town [clears throat] is involved where the applicant has to file it and you know to a deed restriction could you pick that up for me >> uh I'm going to uh uh recognize Mr. Niccastro who has his hand raised online. Dean,
>> thank you Mr. Chair. I spoke with Frank yesterday as liazison to the historical commission. They're not looking for any vote tonight. They really just wanted to get a sense from this board as to whether we would be receptive to this
concept going forward. And I think we should uh I give that message. The history here is with the the properties on Water Street that has been that have been mentioned. Um we've had no issues
with them with that restriction previously and it's comparable as Frank said to the conservation commission being placed being put in the place of the holder of conservation restrictions and the enforcer of those on various
properties. So it makes sense to me to see the um the historical commission put in a similar role with respect to an historic preservation restriction. So I I think I would be very supportive of this going forward. >> Thank you.
>> All right, Dean. Thank you. Back to the board here. Mr. Meadows, >> just for clarification on the restriction, um is it perpetuity? Does it expire in 30 years and you have to renew it? I mean what is the what are the mechanics >> in perpetuity? This is not a deed
restriction that expires in 30 years. This is forever. >> What happened to both parties change their mind? >> Assuming one party's gone. >> Well, it's a good question. >> Yeah, but you're right. >> That's a good question. And that would be a question relative to the the
applicant on how he he or she constructs the uh the uh the restriction. I'm sure they could say never or they can say hardly ever. You know, whatever they want to do. But if they say never, it's never >> legally.
>> Katie, >> if I could, so in preparation for the meeting, I I um pulled the frequently asked questions from Mass Historic Commission and it says, "Can a preservation restriction be terminated, and if so, how?" The grantee of a preservation restriction under chapter
184 may release it in whole or in part for such consideration, if any, as the holder may determine, but only after a public hearing and with the approval of the mass historical commission that the determination with the determination that such release is in the public
interest and meets all of the requirements of chapter 184, >> that the house burns down or something like that. >> Right. Right. There's, you know, so there is a there is a process for it, but it's not typical. Typically, historic preservation restrictions are held in perpetuity. >> All right. Thank you, Miss Potest. Did
you have a >> I'm enthusiastic about it. I think it's the perfect way to do it because this way if somebody inherits the house and then they decide, oh, I just want to do, you know, a tear down, the the town will realize that that is not a thing. that is not an option for them because it'll
be in the records here and you know zoning will see it and historic will see it. So this is a perfect avenue and I enthusiastically support it. >> Thank you. >> Uh Mr. Smith. >> Sure. Thank you, Jeff. Um [clears throat]
we don't I suppose it's too difficult to predict what those legal costs would be because we don't know what the legal challenges would be. So that's probably that's probably difficult. But um so if we hold the restriction, we're going to
be is more of a question obligated to defend that restriction. Right. >> Excuse me, Dean. Dean, in terms of legal cost, it's my understanding, Miss Briggs is in the audience, and we've done some
research independent before we came here, that that's a subject of the preparation of the of the uh of the it's a it's it's part of the issue with the applicant who have to put money aside, okay, to incur those cost, the legal
cost. Miss Briggs, can I can I can the chair, so to speak? I love that expression. asked the question. Uh, I will allow Ellen Briggs to speak. >> Thank you very much. >> Good evening, Ellen. >> Good evening, Ellen Briggs. U protect our past. This all began because I have
people coming to me saying, "None of my kids can take my house and I don't want it to ever be destroyed. What do I do?" So, we began the process of digging into this. I called Frank. We've talked to Historic New England. We've have we've talked to multiple people. I have a
preservation lawyer communicate with and so we have some guidance on this. One of the key issues is how much do you put aside for legal and that's something that Frank has just described that we need to work through. It may be more for
one house than another house. What I think it's important to really uh digest is that the agreement is made with the homeowner. There is a preservation conservator or would come and look at
the house, evaluate it for them, and then they decide what parts of that house are truly historic and need to be maintained. The recommendation from a preservation attorney is to make sure that to have it to be the exterior only.
Now, Historic New England does in do interior. You can do some and maybe a home owner will want their their fireplace uh maintained because it's historic. This is all agreed upon and written
together with the homeowner. there isn't this one one um set of guidelines that everybody has to follow. So, it's a very personally decided upon agreement with the house the homeowner, but the
objective is to prevent it from ever ever ever being destroyed. Now, if it gets burns down, that's a whole another thing, but I hopefully that alleviates some of your concern. It's a very personalized
project with the home owner who requests it. We are, as I said, facilitators and we're working with the people who would make all this happen. >> Well, well, I certainly support the review process. So, thank you for the answer. >> Okay.
>> Uh, Mr. Niccastro has his hand up. >> Yeah, I think Stuart's question went as well to enforcement and the cost of that. So, as I understand it, the cost of developing the restriction is largely going the legal cost is largely going to
be on the homeowner, the property owner. Yes, they're going to work with an attorney. They'll present a document to the town that may require some back and forth. We would have to have town council look at that. I suppose we could set up a special fund for that, but it
may be within the purview um of responsibility of town council uh depending upon our arrangements for services with town council. when it goes to litigation which or the threat of litigation which would be uh involved if
there's an enforcement issue then uh the town council would step in and we under our present town council arrangements um town council would be paid not as part of a retainer uh which covers review services but as part of it it would be
paid on an hourly basis I think Jill can correct me if I'm wrong but that's our understanding so >> it's correct >> there's it's kind of by I >> just wanted to get that out there. Thank you. >> Thank Thank you, Dean. >> And it's up to the when the commit when we put this together for the that money
to be set aside by the owner to cover those cost >> potentially. Well, there's some details to be worked out. I just wanted to start the process. >> That will vary per house. Yes. >> You may have a large property, may have a little tiny one. So, it it's very um
subject to the individual situation. So the request this evening though is hey select board are you guys interested in considering uh you do you want us are you okay with this? So we're going to do further work and >> we're going to do some further work and I work with with Donovan to to work out
the details and provide the adequate you know information before we go further before we sign in any dotted line. >> And I think what you heard here this evening is that we're all in favor of of so doing. I mean I didn't hear any any anybody voice any major concern about you going forward. I think we have some
absolutely gorgeous older homes that should be preserved in perpetuity and and I'm really pleased to hear that there are someone who's so considering and be honest with us. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. Okay, Ellen, thank thanks for all your advocacy and Frank to you as well. >> Speaking of preservation, if you go
upstairs in the annex, there are 11 photographs of the 11 homes which we received preservation awards this this weekend on Sunday. I like to thank Miss Donovan and her staff for all the work they did. It was extremely wellreceived
and we're going to be sending out some more stuff. But it's uh it's amazing how how much how this has been well recepted by the developers and the architects who 15 20 years ago it was like the Hatfields and McCoys, but we actually all were in the same room talking to
each other. So it's a it's a very positive effort. >> It's a banner year for for that reason. >> Yeah, that's a lot. very encouraging for us indeed. >> Okay. Thanks. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you, Katie. >> Okay. The next item on the agenda is a
reconsideration of a bud or a budget update on our 90 Bridge Street project. Um we have a bid report for that project. Uh looking at shellfish uh equipment and seawater systems, etc. And to that end, I believe we have Mr. Greg
Burman here, our director of natural resources. I see Jason Holm, our harbor master, and I see Renee Gany, our shelf ward. Anyway, off to you, Greg. >> Thank you. And as you can tell by the crew, this is a complicated project. Wanted to get as many familiar faces to be able to answer questions for you. Uh,
so just wanted to very briefly go over the topics we're going to cover. First, we'll have the harbor master discuss uh progress to date. Um, what's been going on, what's open right now, what we expect. Then I'll go through the overall budget. uh your shelfish uh constable
will go through the seawater system budget and talk about the plans moving forward. And then you know this could be considered somewhat of a teaser uh for the future agenda item of waterfront projects including Barn Hill which is
planned for July. Um Jason if you >> Good evening Mr. Chair. Good evening. >> Good [clears throat] evening Jason. >> How are you? I missed last meeting so please forgive me. I was down in Tennessee and come about that close to not coming back. So, [laughter] but I knew we were going to be up in front of
you guys again. So, uh I couldn't resist. So, uh appreciate your patience as we go through this. Um just going to kind of cover uh where we're at. So, uh phase one, the bulkhead and dredging uh was complete. Um we moved into phase two, which was the the peers, the ramps,
the floats, the relocation of the boat house, and that is in the completion phase right now. uh that was started uh last May in 2025. Uh we're substantially complete. Uh but we do have some handrail deficiencies along the ramps. Um that's a concern. Uh the handrails uh
or full ramps uh are to be replaced by the manufacturer. Um the timber pier was extended with the new fender piles, ramp, and concrete float. Uh the concrete pileup supported pier was constructed and two ramps were installed with the northeast ramp being ADA
accessible and the concrete floats sit at the bottom of the ramps and timber floats connect to the concrete floats. So the timber floats have the flopsy uh floats attached to them to further grow out the shellfish prior to putting shellfish into the natural environment. uh the timber pier extension float was
installed uh with the regulated 25 ft offset from the property line and I know that was kind of a discussion last time that was brought up. So uh in looking back uh I know there was some discussion about it being in a different location originally and that's true. Um we did
find that between the 30% uh complete plans and the 60% complete plans is when that change happened and moved it to the 25 ft which also coincides which would have been the permitting period for that. Um the references for that um is
in 310 CMR 9.36 and it's paragraphs 2 and three. Um and I'll read you those parts that are applicable here. Uh and please stop me at any time if you have any any questions. Um Jason, you're talking about the the the float that's to the western the western edge of this picture.
>> Yes, Mr. Chair. Right on the other side of the red trog. Thank you. Um so, uh 310 CMR 936 paragraph 2 states that in the case of a proposed structure which extends perpendicular to the shore, the department shall require its placement
at least 25 ft away from such abuing property lines where feasible. So, this change likely happened as a result of being triggered during the permitting process. And it further explains in the next paragraph uh paragraph 3 that the
project shall not significantly disrupt any water dependent use in operation as of the date of the license application which as we know to the west of that uh is an active marina. So, uh, to the best of our digging, this is whenever that
change came place and what the likely reasoning behind, uh, that move from the west over to the east would be. Any [snorts] questions on that portion, >> Mr. Smith? >> Yes. Thanks. Um, so this is it's not a
local uh setback. Um, and it's not well local, so it's not zoning board and it's not Army Corps. This is a chapter 91. Sounds like it's >> Yes. Chapter 91. >> And at the time,
>> do we know uh whether that was appeal to D for variance? >> I I do not. Um like I said, just trying to narrow down when it happened. Yeah, >> the 30% plans were 2020 and then when the 60% came out in 2021, that's when we noticed the difference on the the plans
as far as the um as far as the distance away from the aboting property line. Like I said, that's the best that we can determine is that that was during the permitting phase and likely was triggered um as a result. >> Okay, thank you. >> No problem. [snorts] Um and uh so any
other questions on that one? Uh so as we move on to phase three, the renovation of the Coast Guard boat house, the construction of a bath house, restroom, and installation of a seawater system. Uh so this phase has been separated into renovation of the boat house and bath house construction, which is called
phases 3A and seawater system phase 3B. There's going to be a test later on the uh the phases. Uh phase 3A has been awarded to RBO and that is in the preparation phase and phase 3B has been brought forward to you tonight for your
consideration. >> Any questions? >> Okay. Thank you Jason. >> Thank you. Appreciate it. >> Great. Thank you. So now the numbers. There's going to be a lot of numbers. Uh most of which were in the agenda report, but a lot of these numbers are going to
be the backups uh that were used for that. And I think I'm going to need my glasses too here. Um, so this first uh slide is what town staff used in 2023. Uh, GEI, the engineer for the program,
gave us three cost estimates at 90%, one for the bulkhead, one for the peers and floats, and one for the upweller. Now uh and again I'm happy to go back to any slide but a lot of these do have
summary and uh synthesis as we go on. So those three estimates were used in the 2024 special town meeting uh where you can see that the estimated uh left to go which I think I called planned a little
bit later was about 6.4 4 million uh of which we uh requested a $4 million uh borrowing authorization from that town meeting with the remainder 2.4 million being covered by the existing 2017 bond
and a wolf withdrawal. Now you guys have probably seen that kind of table with the uh you know 3x3 with the outside funds, the town funds and total cost. If you look in the upper right, there's kind of a another more
detailed information that you don't need to see here, but this is what I brought to the select board in 2026. >> Uh kind of um in a a joyous moment when we were looking at our 6.4 number going
down to 4.4 because of all the grants we had gotten at the time. And so, um, this doesn't give you all the details, but this should. So, this is looking at that 4.4 as of 2026,
and the orange and yellow are the the work that was still proceeding at the time. And we have a detail of what each uh constituent within that budget comes from. So, at this point, we had added in the move from New Bedford to Chattam. uh
we had the contract in hand for RBO for the peers and floats. We were still using the estimates uh 90% estimates of the boat house and seawater system from GEI. Uh at this point we also had the news that we had our existing CPC uh
grant but also our food uh security infrastructure grant and our additional seapport grant. Uh moving on to April 24th, 2026. This is when we got our two bids back in uh
that were separated. One for the boat house, one for Seawater. Uh both bids were from RBO. Uh at this point, the boat house was accepted. uh u select board gave permission to authorize uh consent to authorize for the boat house
portion of it but the seawater was rejected because it was significantly more than expectations and I do have some graphs showing where that escalation came from. So here we are
today as of June 11th. We got our new procurements in because we went to rebid that seawater system almost immediately. And talking about phases and numbers, we broke this procurement up a little bit more. uh where one we had some add alts
for uh galvanized versus stainless for a few things and also uh pulled out a lot of the equipment into a separate procurement because we had to get that procurement purchased before the end of this fiscal year. So we have two quotes
where we just had one quote. Um, so this is the N and M. Seawater was the lowest qualified responsive bidder of the three bids. They were not the lowest bidder. However, there were spreadsheet
problems that were submitted from the lowest bidder. So, we did have to reject that quote uh bid. The seawater equipment, I'm sorry, N&M is the uh lowest responsive bidder at 1.38
million. Um, town engineer has reviewed their bid package and found that it is uh an acceptable bid and recommends. The uh town project manager is reviewing the
references and it does seem like a decent company. The seawater equipment is one bid from Duratech for $510,000. Um, and I do have the details of both of these bids that I'll be going through in
a couple of slides here. And again, I I have synthesis, but I'm happy to go back at any point for any of these that you have questions for. So this is, you know, if we were to not accept the NN&m uh seawater installation and only do
what we have to do right now to get that equipment in under the fiscal year. This is the total cost. Of course, you know, it does not include the N&M bid. So there would be additional costs, but we did want to show this at least um as
potentially a new starting point if we go with the recommended rejection of the seawater install bid. And I do have a timeline at the end to say how that would be affected. So here's one of those synthesis slides. Um not sure you'll be able to see all
the numbers, but the idea is we have our special town meeting up at the top that had our summary uh total cost, town funds, and grant funds. We then had that presentation to the select board in January of 2026. Then we have our bids that came in in
April, and you can see the green RBO boat house was accepted. The red RBO seawater was rejected at the time. Here we are right now looking at our bids that came in on June 11th. At this point, you know, we'll get into some of
the details why, but uh town staff are recommending not accepting the N&M Seawater, but definitely accepting the Durk Techch equipment bid. Um, at this point, if we do reject that bid, uh,
town staff would recommend revamping the seawater system into multiple submersible pumps instead of the, uh, single landbased pump that's in the upweller system, and Renee will cover some of that information. Uh, but there
would be additional time and cost involved in that design. you know, some of those costs are going to offset. Uh, that 75,000 probably wouldn't be needed as part of a boiler system that I'll let Bnee talk about the exact equipment, but
there would be a delay and additional cost. We certainly hope that cost and more would be offset by the new design of the seawater system. This is provided from GI. I think we
just got it yesterday as going from the 800,000 estimate of the seawater system to the 1.5 million estimate of the seawater system. The largest number on there is market escalation at 120,000.
Uh we also have 77,500 as part of a bofouling control system. That's something that wasn't in there originally. Uh I believe one of the reasons that this is needed is that the single pump did can't be disconnected.
So we have to have some way to clean out that system while it's all connected. And if you have specific questions, I'm glad Rene is here. [laughter] Um some of the other larger >> if you can just um stay with this slide. So can you just re what's the title of the slide so we make sure that we're
we're looking at the the right. Yes. Right. >> Sorry. So the the upper left hand corners is 800,000K to 1.5 million. Um and uh under under the the table it's
2023 seawater system estimate and as you go down it gets to that 1.5 million. I'm happy to read out each individual aspect of it. Um but one of the other large numbers on there is the intake Davidits and retrieval system. Um, other than
that, this is something that just did keep increasing in cost over time with these additions. There's not that much that could be removed, but we do explore trying to remove some of those things as we go through.
And now, uh, Renee could talk about the seawater budget a bit, and we do have some more slides after that. >> Um, good evening. Uh I'm going to be a little redundant here when I uh uh just do a recap on some dates and numbers. So
on um December 2023, that's when we got the 90% and the uh estimate from GEI that the cost of the seawater system was um just under 800,000. And on January 2024, we were awarded uh
$1 million um for a seapport economic grant. and that was for the pilings and the peers. So, those were all taken into consideration before we um we went to town meeting with the uh request for $4 million um in the article and that was
to complete all the um other phases and complete um and bring the project the whole uh 90 Bridge Street project to fruition. Um so that was supported in um September 2024
and um then in May 2025 another grant opportunity came our way and that's the food security grant. Um and it was at that time that we actually requested from GEI an update on the anticipated
cost of the seawater system. So that's where we got the from the 800 um,000 to the 1.5. So originally we thought that the the um the grant the FIG grant was going to actually reduce our obligation,
but ultimately it it just evened us out. So it brought us back from that 1.5 million back to under the 800,000. And that grant was awarded in uh September 2025. And we received another grant in
January 2026. That was another um Seapport economic grant for 850,000 and that was for the rehab of the Coast Guard U boat house. Um and then when we um uh put out to bid, we received just
that one bid from RBO. That was on April 2026 and that was for $2.7 million which was extremely overbudget. So that bid was uh rejected and that's when the decision was made to separate some of
the um components of the seawater system out of that original bid. And that would include the um the tanks, the silos, the runways. So all of the components that
we could easily apply to any other kind of system. Um and um as as Greg said, the reason for that and I'll go to the next slide. Sorry, Greg. [laughter] >> I thought I thought I put it forward.
Um, >> all right. We're back. >> All right. Very good. >> And actually, before we move on, let's talk about uh um so with these bids and and really everything in that right hand column, just so you know, we we talk about
additional grants, but unless those grants were specifically intended for the seawater, they don't affect the number. Uh so we did get additional uh seapport grant but we didn't put it in that table because it wasn't seawater related. >> That's right. And uh along with the we
we did get um one bid for the components as I was saying for the the tanks the silos and that was from Duratech. Um and that was for $510,000. So, combined with the N and M uh bid for
1.3, it still takes us just under $2 million. Um, and so that's why staff is recommending uh rejecting the N&M U bid, but accepting the Door Tech. This one
>> Okay, thank you. No, we're missing one. >> Oh, that was it. >> Oh, >> just one more. I thought it was this was was next. >> This one's me and then it's you. >> Okay. Sorry. >> We printed you just [laughter] >> we just went over this very recently. Sorry.
>> Yep. No problem. And the uh one of the other things to kind of consider with that 1.5 number. The the lowest bidder for the seawater install if they had filled out the spreadsheet properly was just over a million. that and the Duratech quote would have gotten
us very close to the 1.5 million which kind of would have gotten us back on track. Uh we were not able to accept that quote. So it's 380,000 more than the 1.5. Uh the this is the line item uh
of the quote from N&M for the seawater install. Uh total cost of 1,380,000. you know, we we've kind of been scratching our heads seeing to see if there's absolutely anything that we can take off to keep the project moving. Um,
we did identify some things about like the uh uh the David cranes and really there wasn't that much difference between the galvanized and the stainless. Um, but the Davoc cranes, if we remove those entirely for a period of time, we could make do with something
that it wouldn't be perfect, but could potentially be used. The outfall diffusers weren't necessarily required for permitting, but they're good to have. So, that's something that might be removed. A backup pump, we are going to need a backup pump. uh we might be able
to use one of our existing ones for a short time, but that's something that would need to get included later. So, I mean, we we do have potential reductions here to get us down to just over a million, but one thing that uh the project manager and I discussed about
state procurement is this this is not guaranteed. You know, we we would have to sign the contract for the full amount and then ask the contractor if they'd be willing to take these out. um if they were willing, they would still be within their rights to say that we get our
profit margin on each one of those aspects. So that's one of the reasons why town staff is not, you know, recommending going forward with N&M uh that and the idea of moving to the submersible pumps uh versus this system.
But we did want to at least talk about how we explored ways to keep moving forward with the current bids. And now it's your time. >> Okay. Excuse me. Um so as Greg said, there's a timeline and which is why um the some of
these components were taken out because um we have to expend 75% of that FIG grant in this fiscal year. So, we really have to the end of the month and with the um with the Duratech bid and with
the the generator which was always proposed for that facility, it comes out almost exactly to 75%. So that way we would have another 25% in the next fiscal year from that grant. But that's so we don't lose the money and it's it's
going towards components that can be used in whatever kind of um um you know end product that we have. So, moving forward um and this we've had, you know, just a brief discussion
since our our last bid, but um one of first and foremost is is to um recommend uh approving the Derek bid so that we can uh buy the equipment that that Greg went through and then um moving forward
over the next few months is to re-engineer using um multiple suburb submerged seawater pumps. So in effect it would be really replicating what we have now without the bells and whistles. So currently we have um three pumps that
we use but there's only two on at one time. So that that way we're able to defowl the pumps by al uh alter uh alternating the pumps that we have. So there's only always two running and then
whichever pump we're not running there it becomes anoxic in the pipes the bofouling dies and then we turn on the pump it smells for 10 seconds and it it goes out the building. Um so that's what we would have u by going back to
submersible pumps. So we would need that heating system. And along with this is we would also build back redundancy so that if we have an extra pump and one of our pumps goes out, it's going to be an easy replacement. You take a pump out,
you put a pump in. With the single upland pump, um we were told over and over that is the best pump you can get. Nothing goes wrong with it. uh those of us who work with a lot of mechanicals things uh um uh have a lot of questions
about that. So it's definitely more comforting for us to have some redundancy and know that we would be able to replace pumps if needed. Now ultimately we got to the one pump system going through a lot of different
scenarios and a lot of different options. Um and one of the um one of the big and main um issues um is those submersible pumps cost us a lot of money
to rehab every year. Um so I think going forward if this is if this is the option that we choose there may be an capability of doing those kinds of things inhouse training personnel to be able to rehab those pumps. Mostly it's
done uh you you change out the seal, you change out um um it it's we usually send them out to New Bedford and this is one of the other things that are very is very problematic for us when we were reviewing this system. Um the place that
we have been going through since this was came into effect is no longer doing rehab. So last year we brought our pumps to New Bedford I mean uh to Boston and it was three times the cost. So looking at in-house is is you know part of this
discussion if we return back to our submersibles. Anyhow going forward um if if the re redesign happens in the next three months and then we go out through per procurement um the lead time for submersibles is much less than the the
one upland pipe pump. Um I was think it's like a eight month uh time lead for the the one pump. But for our pumps, it's like one to one and a half to to two months at most. So ultimately, if this works out in this scenario, we
could still be up and running by next April. >> And I believe that's the last slide. Town staff is here for your questions. >> Okay, kids. Okay, that's a lot. Um uh
you're asking us tonight to approve the 510 >> for the for the basics for the um I forget with the you know the the tubs or whatever. Um no matter what seawater system we go with are is is the money
that we are considering to expand the 510 is all that equipment fungeible no matter what seawater system we pick guaranteed. So we are going to have the engineer do the redesign based on that equipment. Okay. And they have told us that that
equipment can be incorporated. >> Is it similar to the equipment we have today in the in the upweller system? >> The submersibles. >> It's very basic. >> No, I'm actually talking about what we have inside the building. Never know we have submersibles >> and and and the the tanks and the pumps were
designed for with that building in mind. And so they're still going to fit in that building. Um, and it's just really how you get the water into the building is what we're really kind of redesigning. So, the the tanks and the
silos um would be the same. Um, and um what's different with this one versus the current one is that each tank and and the silos and the animals have a a separate intake um water
system. If if you've been to our um current facilities, we have top tanks and we have bottom tanks. And those bottom tanks don't have a direct line to fresh water. They're getting all the water from the old tanks above. So that's why this system was designed to
have more it needed more um uh gallons per minute because each tank is going to have its own water source coming in for faster growth. >> Gotcha. Is was that designed similar to what ARC has or Nucket or what the
state-of-the-art in the industry Renee? >> Well, uh, upwellers don't deviate that much. It's really it's really tanks, silos, animals, water coming in, water going out. Okay. >> They're they're very, you know, compatible um all along and it's it's it's a
>> Yeah. And on the numbers, the only other question I have, then I'll turn it over to everybody else. on the different seawater systems. You're recommending that we not approve N&M because you think you can get the same results at lower cost somewhere else or you're going to rebid with the with the other outfit.
>> So when that is our recommendation not to accept an bid, uh we would redesign and go through procurement again. Okay. >> Uh whoever bids bids. We can't you know force or guarantee any single person to bid. Uh, I think with this new
submersible pump design, we might get some more qualified biders because that pump might have scared some people off. >> Okay. >> Um, we hope the price will be less. There's no guarantees, but we're doing everything to reduce the price.
>> Okay. Thanks. Okay. I'll be I'll be quiet here. Um, I'll go down the line, I guess. Oh, Dean. Dean Dean, your hands up. I'll recognize you, please. Mr. Niccastro. >> Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'm I'm not going to take long. I was concerned about the difference between the
submersibles and the um the more sophisticated system because that system lasts longer according to the memo. But but it's a very complicated situation and I think Renee and and Greg uh have
explained why they've chosen to go with the submersibles and have indicated that there may be ways where we can internally um maintain that system. So I think their recommendation makes a lot of
sense. Uh, and I would certainly favor approving the um the propagation equipment contract um of 510,000 uh this evening and let them redesign and rebid um on the seawater system if I
understand it correctly. Those are my thoughts. Thank you. >> Yeah, I do think you understand it correctly, Mr. Castro. Um Mr. Smith, >> thank you. Uh Jeff, um where to begin
the, you know, we all hearken back to and I think you've done the right thing going with submersible pumps. You're absolutely right. There's more people that can deal with that as opposed to what was originally designed. Um I can't imagine what it costs to design that uh
alone. Um, but I think you're on a much better track with trying to um improve what you have and sounds like that's where we're headed. It also um am I correct in that
I feel like there's deja vu but different project not this one but if we don't spend this money we're going to lose it by June 30. So I I think you're referencing the uh Seab port econ economic council grant in
fiscal year 26 and that was for the RBO boat house and 90 bridge and yes it was never our intention to put this kind of time frame on but things are coming up. >> Yeah and I get it. They they I lived it.
I think that there's ways to address this but it's a much broader uh discussion. Um, so anyway, point being, the equipment can be compatible with what we think we're designing, which might be pretty close to what we have as
far as conceptually, and we need to spend that money by June 30 because um we're going to lose a portion, a large portion of it. We don't want that. Um, >> correct. granting agency actually gave us some flexibility to do 75% this year
and 25% next year. >> We we asked for a lot and we you know got this and we're very grateful that they they didn't have to do that. >> Yeah. Um so can we go to the last page of this memo? And I don't know whether this is still
relevant. This is the B. It's not numbered but it's it's the last page. It's a graph goes over the seawater intakes at the top uh ending with system startup and testing
and did you mention I'm sorry did you mention the engineering for the for the system that you're looking at now? Was that up there? Did I see that number? >> We got a very rough estimate of 75,000 from GEI for the redesign to
submersibles. Okay. Um, so let's certain things jump out at me no matter what the project is. And one of them is uh, you know, miscellaneous plumbing work.
It looks like, see if I got clean glasses here, but are we are we looking at $378,000? Is this [clears throat] the N&M bid? I'm sorry. I just >> No, it's RBO and NM excavating
all all. It's the large grid comparing all all the bids. >> It's on the back page of Dan >> page of our package. Okay. I'm sorry. I don't think I have it on the uh Oh, thank you, Kathy. >> Think that's the one thing I didn't print.
There it is. >> Oh, I'm sorry. This is the bid review from >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That's what we're looking at. >> I think it's on the back page of Dan Robbins. So Stuart, I think if I'm just looking at what you're looking at and if
I'm reading it correctly to answer your question, like under miscellaneous plumbing work, three biders, moving waters, that number was 40 grand, N&M was 10 grand. >> Yeah. >> RBO was 370,000. 840,000.
>> Subtle difference. >> That's kind of where >> kind of where I was. >> Radical differences. >> Is there a We have an explanation for that. Feel like calling Mr. Hour and going, I just don't. >> They they they haven't shared precisely
what their estimates were for that. Um I couldn't begin to guess why that unit price is so high for that one line. >> And the it's it's uh well, it's kind of all over the miscellaneous electrical work.
First, I was stuck on miscellaneous. That's a if if moving waters was 143,000 I just like to know what miscellaneous actually is getting us. But um I guess
what the floating dock shai stansion what are what are we uh I mean I'm familiar with the shore tie but are we plugging in a boat here or am I is this something different? I I'd have to pull up the uh bid specs, but that that's my
take on it, too. Calling it short tie. I'm assuming that's the power line. The power line for Oh, well, Robert Hour. Oh my goodness. 75,000. The others were six and 10,000.
Well, I don't know what floating dock shore tie stansion is. What I'm familiar with is, you know, your 60 or 30 amp short tie and I hope it's not 75,000. I don't know
what this is. So, another question. Now, the titanium heat exchanger gone >> or is that still being uh considered or is in this?
>> So, this one is for the seawater system. Yeah. Well, >> it is. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, all all of these still included the original single pump method that did have the boiler heat exchanger system in it. >> Okay.
>> Which we're going to render mood. >> Yeah. I was trying to digest. I I was trying to back into this >> what this has cost. >> Well, if I might, I I think that I'm not speaking for them. I have not communicated with them, but the RBO
is a throwaway bit as far as I can see. >> Yeah, maybe. >> It's just a throwaway. I mean, that's the only way I can figure it, Steuart. >> And are you still going to have the steel d uh stain? Well, forget the what type of material. You going to still have the David cranes for the three
pumps? Are you going to use the barge like we used? I I don't >> we >> I'm just looking at that number. >> It'll be part of the redesign. One of the ideas is to have that dabbit to have it easier to lift the seawater intakes to clean them. So that would have to
happen a certain number of times this season >> for for us. >> If we switch to submersible pumps, we need to bring it up. No, >> you mean when you >> um Well, there there's there's new permitting requirements on intake pumps. So there they do have to have cages
around the intake, and I suspect those will have to be cleaned. But um if they're um those might be easily uh rectified by having just an on you know like we have a hydraulic pump that we
can raise our pumps uh uh in and out right now and then just taking a power hose and and doing it right from those docks that we have. So in order for us to be comparable with the land pump, we're going to have um four submergible
pumps. for >> three on at all times and then one off to be recycled through. >> And one thing I was just reminded of uh one of the things under miscellaneous plumbing work from RBO that they talked about during the sitewalk uh for the bid
[snorts] was potentially constructing their their own float that would be underneath and restrictions of tide and those kind of aspects. Um that's an expensive float, but that they talked about that as being one of the drivers.
>> Okay. Um so you're going to the the cost of the Davidits. What's the lifting lifting capacity of those Davids? Are they just lifting that pump? >> Um our pumps currently uh are approximately 250 pounds clean. So, at
the end of the season, they're they're a little more >> and >> and but we're expecting to up it a little bit, St. So, right now, our our current pumps are um 7.5 horsepower and we're going to up that to a 10 horsepower so we can get up to the um
pumping capacity as the onland pump. >> Okay. Do we know what the Davidits are going to cost each about? So N&M's bid on the Davidits for 2,000 pound
capacity were 35,000 each. >> 2,000 lb. >> Yes. >> That's a ton. >> That's the Are you What are you What are you lifting with this? >> They were originally designed for the
seawater intakes, not for submersible pumps. its potential. They were heavier. Uh but that was the recommendation from the engineer to go with the 2,000lb cranes, which is actually a lot less than over at the South Jo.
>> Well, well, the the just from perspective for the you folks in the public, the trap dock, which isn't very old, those are 2,000B davits. the they they
I think they were $10,000 a piece. So, I I I'm I'm trying to understand why the engineer would possibly spec a 2,000lb lift capacity for a pump that I
don't know, let's forget 250, say it's 500. I'm I'm at a loss. And I I think that's a good point too that that those 2,000 lb Davids were 10,000 how many years ago and now they're 35 and that's you know
not the >> height. No, I I get it. I'm talking Well, the cost is one thing. I mean that it's the it's the lifting capacity. My point is related to the last meeting is we tend to overengineer things and um I
think this is a project that got overengineered. Looks like you try you guys are trying to get it back appropriately but the I'm just here to tell you as a layman 2,000lb lifting capacity for those pumps is absurd and there's there's a large
part of your cost issue with with that specific line item. So, um, I'd scrutinize, you know, I know Dan, you can ask Dan. Dan, where did you get two? How could we possibly need that lifting capacity for?
And how many you do you want to do? You want one for each? >> Yeah, it was going to be one for each. So, four total. Well, I I just assume that, you know, in your re-engineer, it's going to encompass
some of those things because that's that's just wildly out of whack in my thinking. And I think it's um anyway, >> definitely opportunities to sharpen the engineer's pencil. >> Well, if you want to use this engineer.
Yeah. Um so anyway, the um I I'm going to support the >> the the purchase because I think we we're kind of once again I feel like I have a gun to my head that we have to do this. I get it. Um but you know we really as a board need to look at how we
[snorts] got here and why and how we cannot repeat it again. It's a good learning experience. Um I have some thoughts on maybe how we can rectify it. Uh so we don't so we don't because this isn't the only one. This isn't the only project and it's a great project. You
know, we we got the preservationists, we got the coast guard people, we got the boating community because they got additional dockage, we got the commercial fleet, and we got the the um the shellfish upweller. So, it is a good project, but I implore you to put some
realism into some of those the what the engineer is trying to spec. >> Thanks. >> Uh Randy Potes. >> Yep. I I would just agree with Dean that you know uh the explanation has made perfect sense. I agree with Stu that we need to be u particular about the
numbers and and I trust that you are. I also I know that um at least for Renee, she treats these shellfish like they're the town's children. And so when you talk I believe you and I know that you're in the best interest of this shellfish program. um and that
everything that you say is uh very focused on the the best interest of the program. So I support and I'm ready to do a motion when everybody's ready um that we authorize what you've suggested. >> Cory, any comment?
>> Brief brief. I mean I'm going to support this. Um, but I and I'm not going to try to beat a dead horse, but looking at these numbers, I don't ever recall seeing something where it's you see the, you know, multiple bidters and kind of things tear up accordingly. These are all over the place. They really are. I
mean, and you try to compare apples for apples and you've got some categories where things are, you know, drastically high in from one bidder and then, you know, ridiculously low on that, you know, from the same bidder on another category. So, I've never seen this kind
of variety or uh of of numbers um on any project and I've ever I've ever reviewed. So, uh this is this is definitely interesting. Um you know, you guys are doing your due diligence and um um you know, we're got to get this project done soon, right? [laughter] So,
yeah, I'm good. I'm good. >> Okay. Thank you, Corey. Yeah, I just echo my fellow select board members. uh um you know, let's move on with the 510 and get the the uh selfish propagation equipment that we need and I look forward to the revision of the seawater system. I think you guys are on the right track. This is unique. We haven't
really done this before. I do question where the heck the especially RBL got some of these numbers, but anyway, let's move on. Miss Potes, you were ready for a motion. >> Yeah, sure. I move that the select board authorize the town manager to execute a contract with Dorchk Industrial and Marine Limited for the 90 Bridge Street
Development Shellfish Propagation Equipment Project in the amount of $510,055 representing the total base bid. >> We'll second that. >> Thank you, Stuart. Okay, we'll take the role. Mr. Smith, I >> Miss Botach. >> Hi. >> Mr. Meadows. Hi.
>> Mr. Niccastro. >> I. >> And the chair says I as well. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. Thank you, >> Greg. Don't go anywhere. Just as a a matter of introduction, Greg is our director of natural resources and uh very fascinated to hear of your entire background. Greg, certified
professional geologist, former Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute coastal process specialist and former US geological survey hydraologist. Is that correct? Yeah. So we we have quite we have quite a talented young man here and I asked for just a a groundwater
briefing and some education education session on the Monoy lens if you will. And I I want to with the aim toward clarifying the um kind of local folklore of well if I have a public if I have a
private well I'm not impacting the public water supply. So, I just really want to put that piece of folklore, if you will, will to bed. So, off to you and you're you did a really good summary memo. I look forward to listening to you. >> Absolutely. Thank you. And uh in some
ways, this is to make me feel better for not having, you know, an hour at town meeting to go over all of this. >> Well, this is one of the reasons why you're here. Y >> and you know, I the briefing has been provided. I believe it's in the agenda packet. Um we'll we'll cover these
topics. Um this is really an opportunity to kind of talk about the individual figures. I have some from the agenda briefing and I also have some additional ones. Uh but primarily we're going to be talking about you know what is the monoy lens how the groundwater moves through
it as uh the chair mentioned you know the difference between municipal wells versus private irrigation and what they draw from and contribute to and then a little bit about sea level rise at the end because I can't help myself.
Uh so as we talk about groundwater uh very basically you know that it this is all coming from surface rain coming down um it enters the unconfined aquifer of Cape Cod. Uh this is a very schematic drawing just kind of showing the idea
that we have a freshwater lens floating on top of sailing groundwater and then eventually if you get low enough you get down to bedrock. Um, this next image shows a little bit more detail about Cape Cod and some of those groundwater lenses. Kind of the
the two largest of the ones we hear about are the Sagamore over in the west and the Monoy lens, which is the uh the lens for Chadam and several of the other adjacent towns. >> Greg, >> yes. >> Who who draws what towns draw from the Monoy lens?
>> Uh, I'm not sure if it goes all the way to Barnesville. I'd have to put the town lines on there. But if you look at those concentric rings, uh, that's the groundwater elevation heights. >> So everything that moves out like a
contour, that's the direction it's going to. So everything from like the uh, Orleans, Cadam Brewster line right there, uh, where that 30 number is, it's moving out kind of in a ring from that. So it it's feeding up to Orleans, all of
Chadam, and >> perhaps we'd have some more >> if I may. So yeah, Orleans, Chadam, Brewster, Harwitch, parts of Dennis and Yarmouth as well. >> Okay, super. Thank you. >> Don't go far. >> Thank you.
>> Um and and you know, most of those graphics in the briefing and almost all the ones here are from the USGS and Noah and a variety of sources. They're all referenced on the third page of that briefing as uh if anybody wants to look in more depth or just see where they
came from. Um so as we look at the water table lens and and I mentioned a little bit right now, you know, it's all about gravity with water, especially in an unconfined aquifer that water goes down. Nothing different there. It's a little
bit higher at the 30 and it moves towards those rings kind of in a line. So, here's another look. I don't like where they took this cross-section, but just it shows a good image. Uh, this one's through the Sagamore lens. You can
kind of see that A at the bottom of the image. Uh, that's a from Cape Cod Bay up on the left down to Nantucket Sound. Uh but it just shows the the recharge from rain going down. Uh at Sagamore, it actually goes down to bedrock in some places with no saline lens underneath
it. Uh but you can kind of see that um our ponds, lakes, those kinds of things are are just where it gets low enough to intersect with the groundwater. So our groundwater, our monoy lands is what's feeding our streams uh and ponds in the
area. Here's another image. Uh, it's a little bit more complicated, uh, but it does at least cover our town. Uh, that image in the upper right, that black line kind of shows what this cross-section is, a
thick black line horizontal up at the top. And it shows u kind of from Bass River all the way out to Monoy. Uh, your land surface is yellow. Your, uh, water table, the freshwater is that purplish
color. And you can see over in our area, uh, we have a decent amount of fresh water, but then when we get closer to the shoreline, we have more salt water, uh, underlying that. And a lot of these are designed to be regional Cape Cod kind of models. We don't have really
fine grain models here. Um, that could be something that we explore in the future, but let's, you know, get through this and see what we understand at the end. Um, this shows a pumping well. Uh, a couple images. Uh the lefth hand image is kind of top down bird's eye view and
the idea is uh there's a specific area that's recharging a well. You'll often hear about like well protection zones and things like that. It's because that area feeds that one well spot. Uh over on the right hand side is that cross-section of the area and it shows
that at a certain depth the well is screened in a saturated area and kind of that darker blue that's where the water is coming from. So that area contributing recharge the surface water goes down goes into the saturated zone
and it's only coming out of that screened elevation. There can be levels below it there could be levels above it and there is a little bit so all this area u the water saturated water in the uh land is moving from left to right but
you can see there's actually a little bit to the right of the well going in uh just due to suction. It's kind of pulling it back against the gradient. You might not be able to see all the images on here, but uh goes into a surface water body, whether that's a
pond or the uh ocean itself. If you have a well, you know, you get some draw down of that water table at the surface, and you get a small reversal um on the down gradient side of that well. And then that C image down at the bottom kind of
shows what happens if you pump too hard. Right? So you can actually pump so much that you're reversing the gradient and you might be drawing in saline water. Um, another thing that can happen that I'll talk about a little bit later is with rising sea level rise that salt gradient is higher and you might get
that even if you're pumping at the same levels. This is one where, you know, if you were to put two wells too close together, you start to get multiple drawdowns in the same area and you're just not getting, you know, the the same benefit you would as a well that's not interacting with
another one. So, this particular uh set of images, this slide and the next slide, come from a 2007 report. I feel like this is something that's referenced fairly often. This has to do with the modeling for the wastewater treatment facility.
Um, this is a schematic model of cores or borings that we're taking. Uh, some are monitoring wells, but mostly boring well records. Uh, B O R I N G. Not the I guess it's still spelled like that. It's not boring to me anyway. Um, so we're
looking at clay or silty clay. So that those kind of layers are the the impervious where you don't get water penetrating through it. You can get a lens on top of that clay. It's mentioned a few times in this image. Uh it's mentioned a little bit more extensively
in this image. So those black lines here show a layer of clay. One can kind of almost assume a layer kind of continuous through these. Um but one thing that we did do was take a look at
um some of the well records over the last years that were drilled by private uh uh private irrigation wells uh really. So only about uh 30% of those wells actually had any clay whatsoever.
Um, so depending on exactly where they were, you know, it's unlikely we have a continuous clay layer all the way across Chattam. Uh, when you get that and you start to get high elevations. You may have heard of like artisal flow that if you get like, you know, rain falling up
in the mountain, then it goes under the clay and then it has a lot of pressure and if you pierce it, it pumps back out vertically. Uh, we don't have that. It's unconfined such that it's just kind of sand. the clay is going to like slow it down a bit or have a small perched lens,
but then it all just goes into the sand and kind of one water body. I feel like there is a bit more clay kind of on the western side of town versus the eastern. Uh but we haven't done a deep dive on that. And then just looking at some of the depths of the private wells versus the uh municipal wells, not that
different. I mean, we don't get that many private ones going that deep. Uh but it is kind of a range for both of them. Greg, um, if if you could go back to Sure. >> So, where do those is this town statistics? Did >> Yep.
>> I actually had uh uh Andrew Grover, our our new uh health inspector, pull up septic records and not septic records, the well records for the private wells. Um, neat side note, we were able to take
about, was it 45 PDFs, crank them into AI, and it spit out a table for us. We we vetted it thoroughly, but we were able to to get this in a matter of minutes instead of like dedicating staff time to read all those PDFs and pull all this out. All the spot checks were great. >> Thank you.
>> You sure? >> Uh this is another image I believe back from the wastewater treatment uh modeling time. I'm just throwing it up there to get a feel for where our uh public supply wells are. So those yellow dots there predominantly on the west
side of town a little bit uh up in North Chadam. U and I'm going to compare that to you know that that idea of a a gradient or water flowing out or kind of down those hills of the contour. Right?
So here in Chadam it's almost all flowing kind of towards the south and towards the east. >> So so our south Chattam wells one, two, and three are the most productive wells. Is that because they pump all the time or that or and >> that's that's pretty much because there are three of them.
>> Oh yeah, that too. [laughter] >> So, you know, they they're pretty productive, but I mean our wells pump anywhere from like 350 gallons per minute to up to 700 gallons per minute. >> Yeah. Okay. All right. Thanks. >> So, this this isn't a very fine scale
picture. like I I'd love to get a a tighter one, but it it just shows the idea kind of hearkening back to that recharge area. Um, this actually shows like th those purple images uh purple zones on there are areas that are recharging to a well. I'm pretty sure
that purple zone corresponds to those wells right there. But it's not just, you know, wells, it also feeds the ponds and streams. So all these things are connected, not just our municipal water supply. Uh so those three numbers are kind of
capewide. It's not just for Cadam. It would take a lot more to get that number, but just wanted to give a feel because people have said, you know, most of our water just goes offshore. And that's not wrong. You know, about 70% 69% uh goes and discharges directly into
the coastal zone. Uh 24% of that goes into our streams and ponds. About 7% of that is public supply wells. And that's Cape Codbased. Again, uh private irrigation wells are less than 1%. And I think one of the things to think about
too is where those irrigation wells are. If they're within certain areas of recharge municipal, but even if they're not within the municipal recharge area, they may be in a recharge area for um a pond, a stream, but also um you know,
reducing water flow in that way can change the grad gradients. So you're not going to have as much freshwater push against the saltwater push on one side and you can actually shift the gradient to some of those transition zones. So this is my obligatory sea level rise.
I'm sorry. So the the the top image uh is kind of the before. The bottom image is afterwards. And the idea is as you increase the ocean level, you're going to increase the uh saline gradient which is going to kind of push back against
that fresh water that's moving towards the coast. It creates a little bulge and you're going to get uh higher groundwater levels in those areas. You know, sometimes there'll be additional seeps going into the streams and ponds. Uh mostly we talk about, you know, the
the title five septic needs five feet of separation to be clean. uh but you can potentially have an issue with that uh especially in the near coastal zones. So that image over on the left and this is from a USGS study a number
of years ago uh takes a look at what a six-foot increase in sea level is going to do um and and I would just take a look to see that that red circle kind of in the middle mostly the middle of that mono lens that's where it's less than a foot of difference in the water table.
Everywhere else is more than a foot and there's some areas that are quite a bit more. If you're right at sea level rise, you're getting full six feet of water level change even in the freshwater zone. Uh but six feet is quite a bit. Um and this modeling is is
it had some interesting results that some it was actually going to change some of the gradients. So it was going to drain faster. So the water table might not be as high in some places. But it was one of those where you know we need more study. But it is going to affect it. Most of the effect is going to be in the coastal areas. Uh one of
the things I was talking with our health department about and one of the things that encourages me is we we kind of are keeping track of this although not specifically for this. So as we get more um sodium in these
irrigation wells, it's going to be spraying saltier water on the grass. That's going to kill the grass. people are going to come in and request new or deeper wells or in different areas and that's going to you know trigger us taking a look to see if certain areas
are seeing more uh saline input in some of these irrigation wells. Uh additionally every time a uh property changes hands uh a septic look is done to see if we still have that 5 foot of separation and if it's not you know they
they need to get that five foot. If we see a certain area where everybody coming in is a foot or two less than they used to be, that's kind of indicating that we're starting to see this. So, that's one thing that was fairly exciting is we actually do have some interesting data coming in for this and I'm definitely going to be keeping a
track on it. Uh core messages, you know, we don't have to spend a ton of time on this. A lot of this was in the briefing. Um and and really we can go to the takeaways at the end and I'm happy to answer questions. You know, the main takeaways are everything's drawn from the same aquifer. You know, the private
wells, public wells, they're they're different. They may go to different depths. Uh we can't necessarily drill municipal wells in different aquifers. It's still all the same aquifer connected to uh the ponds, the streams, the estuaries, and and everything. And
you know, groundwater is to be managed for all those things, whether it's municipal, whether it's for irrigation, and and even for our uh water bodies. and uh their sailing levels, but happy to take questions. >> Okay. Okay. Thank you, Greg. That was
great. That was really interesting. Uh Mr. Smith has a comment or question. >> Um Greg, this is fantastic. I mean, it really well done. Um you know, it's the memo is very clear. I was impressed when I first read it and um I I appreciate it
because there's a lot of uh just not great information about this subject and uh you know I can Google and I can read but this one puts it all in you know really good perspective. I I uh
I think this will be really helpful. I hope you put it on your website and uh I hope the chronicle does an article on it because this this is very important and it's anybody can read it and it's verifiable and and you've got uh all the
right uh you cite the right agencies and um you certainly have the background. So, thank you. >> Great. Thank you, Miss Potes. >> Yeah. No, I agree with everything um Stuart just said. I don't have anything else to add. I thank you for doing it and I do hope it goes on the website and that the Chronicle does an article. For
sure, >> Corey, I'll just echo my two colleagues. It's a great job. >> Thank you. It was nice to kind of hearken back to some of my previous lives. >> Well, you could feel the passion over here. It's really well done, Greg. And I really appreciate your effort and your following up. Dean, you have anything
you'd like to say or add? >> His hand's not up, so I won't bug him. >> It looks fine to me. >> Good. Thank you, Dean. >> I appreciate it. Very fine presentation. Thank you. >> Thanks, Dean. >> Okay, Greg, you're off the hook. Thank you very, very, very much. And we are
going to post it on the website. I mentioned it to Jill under my breath. So, anyway, we are going to post it. >> Yeah, Brian. Yes, Mr. Phillips. Um, Brian Phillips, 374 Orleans Road. Um,
so was the point of this presentation saying that all these public, you know, private wells, public wells are not going to affect the aquifer? >> Not quite. >> Too bad. I have more questions. >> Uh, so you know, everything we do affects the aquifer. U, the municipal
wells draw down in certain areas. The private irrigation wells draw down. Um, the the ponds, you know, they they take in fresh water. streams are draining water from the water table, taking it out to the coast. Uh most of the water does go offshore. Some of it travels so
deep that none of our wells are touching it. It just gets out into the ocean. Uh but that said, you know, there's there's only so much usable fresh water kind of within the zone we're looking for. I mean, Rob knows, you know, when you
start looking for new wells and deeper wells, you come into manganesees and keos and all kinds of issues, even if you're not within the, you know, recharge zone of another well. But, yeah. >> Um, so, um,
how much how big is our lens? How many gallons of water? Do do we have that number? Do we have any way of tracking it? >> It's definitely in that USGS paper. That's one of the sources on there. >> Okay. So, essentially what I way I understand I know I'm asking a lot of
stupid questions. Sorry. Um >> as long as our water usage is less than what recharges were okay, right? So there's like a there's like a breaking point kind of >> because you said it was from precipitation. That's how we get it.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So I mean precipitation is the most uncertain. Um, at least with our wells and municipal wells, we know how much we're pumping. In a given year, we don't necessarily know how much it's going to rain. A lot of the climate change discussion, which I really
haven't gotten into, is, you know, how that's going to change precipitation patterns. Uh, a lot of talk about that we may get similar rainfall amounts. It may be more punctuated, which doesn't give it time to infiltrate. It just runs directly in. Um, so that may not answer
your question, but >> well, [laughter] I got I got one more and uh you touched on it a little bit. Um, but what happens if we do run our aquifer too low? What what are some of the negative consequences of that? >> Sure. So, if uh and and I think you're kind of talking about like irrigation
and municipal wells as primary, you know, the drivers of of removing water from the the table. Uh, a couple things would be, you know, bringing salt water further inland. Um, and that can actually change some of our estine bodies. It can increase salinity in some
areas. Uh, some of the ponds won't have as high levels. Uh, some of the streams may not, you know, recharge as quickly. And then um you know in in
larger kind of scale zones um if we pump too much then the water table length is going to be lower the the ones with the shortest straws are going to go dry first for these wells. >> So now if we do run you know low uh too
low can salt water actually get into our you know our drinking water lens. So most of those uh municipal wells are pretty far inland. So it's going to be a a substantial amount of of suction or uh
lack of recharge that would drive that. I haven't done the math, but I'd be very surprised if those did that. >> Okay. And and do we have any way of again tracking, you know, what our [snorts] usage is compared to, you know, what's recharged? Did you say that's in the packet already? Yeah, that that
those numbers should be in that briefing memo and you know, select board Brian people free to get in touch. >> We are going to post on the website, Brian. It's very it's really interesting and it's really informative. You know, part of the presentation is summarizing a package we got. It's really good. >> Yeah, you bet.
>> Okay. Okay. We're going to move on to the next agenda item. Again, thank you, Mr. Burman. Um, the last agenda item in our business agenda this evening is a consideration of appointments and reappointments uh to our uh committees. And I will turf it off to Jill and
Kathy. Kathy, why don't you take it away? And I know there's a suggested motion in here. >> Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um, it's again we're in the season of reappoints and appointments. Um the board has been
active with interviews um of incumbent members um and tonight what you have before you are um first a list of incumbent members seeking reappointment um to non-advisory committees, boards and commissions aka statutory and
regulatory boards and committees. Um these are members that did not have anyone you know um who came forward for their seats and uh the board did not ask for reinter to reinterview these
candidates at this time. So um I broke it out um by committee which members were up for reappointment. Um, and I believe in this list there's only one alternate member listed. The rest are
all full members. Uh, again, a reminder, full member terms are three-year terms in, um, associate or alternate member terms are one-year terms. Um, similar to the advisory committee, uh, the advisory committee report, which you did at the
last meeting, um, I've put together a slate of candidates for you to just take one motion rather than go committee by committee, but it is obviously the board's prerogative if you wish to go name by name and committee by committee. That's your prerogative, but I did try to combine it for ease. Um, so you'll
see the suggested motion and then the list like the comprehensive list of everybody in that group. Um, so I don't know if you want to take that first and then I can talk about the next grouping. >> I think that's probably a good approach if unless anybody is concerned about the
the notion of voting for the incumbents in that one alternate uh, you know, all at once and we can actually list them so folks know who we're voting for. Um, maybe the clerk would read out the list of what might be the suggested motion. That would be good. And then we'll take a vote. >> Sure. An incumbent member seeking
reappointment to a three-year term expiring June 30th, 2029. Affordable housing trust. That would include Bruce Bean, Leslie Sheenberger and Schneberger. >> Yeah. >> And Hannah Smith. The airport commission, Alfred Tria and Peter
Farber. Board of Health, Carol Gordon. Cemetery Commission, Peter Gaines. Conservation Commission, Elise Gordon, Janet Williams, Karen Latin, Historical Commission, Nancy Bar, Janet Tennyson,
Peter Donovan, Human Services Committee, Susan Whitam, Planning Board, Art Sprew, and Robert Dubis. >> Thank you. And suggested motion is I move to appoint the slate of candidates as presented for reappointment through
June 30th, 2029 for full member seats and through June 30th, 2027 for the alternate associate member seats unless sooner revoked or a successor is appointed. >> Second. >> Thank you. Okay, we'll take a we'll take
a roll call if that's okay. Mr. Smith >> I. >> Miss Pot. >> Hi. >> Mr. Meadows. Hi. >> And Mr. Niccastro. >> Hi. >> Thank you. Thank you. And Mr. Dykin says I as well. Okay, Kathy, on to the next >> section of potential candidates or appointments, I should say.
>> So, the next group um I these are kind of a combination of either committees that had vacant seats and the select board recently interviewed candidates or it's a a committee that has an incumbent and a new candidate that the board has
interviewed. Um so again this one I broke out by committee because there's considerations for the select board for each one. So starting with the airport commission uh there is a vacancy as uh on the airport commission. The board interviewed Lee Gatewood. He was the
only candidate for that uh commission at this time. >> Entertain a motion or discussion. >> Motion. >> So one at a time it would be uh the airport commission. I move to appoint Lee Gatewood as a member of the airport commission until June 30th, 2029, unless
sooner or revoked or a successor is appointed. >> I'll second that. >> Thank you, Mr. Smith. We'll call the role. Mr. Smith, >> I miss potach. >> Hi, Mr. Meadows. >> Hi. >> Mr. Niccastro. >> All right. >> And the chair says I. >> Uh, all right. >> Assessors. >> Yes. The board of assessors is next.
Robert B. France is currently serving. He has indicated interest in being reappointed. And on June 2nd, the select board did interview Frank Dalippo, who had expressed interest in either the board of assessors or water and sewer advisory committee. Water and sewer advisory committees a little later in this list as well. Um but um it's up to
the board. There is only one seat open for one one seat that has a term that's up for reappointment. So >> Mr. Chair, >> yes, Mr. Niccastro, >> who's going to offer a motion on this one? >> Please do.
I move to appoint Robert Fr. Robert B. France as a member of the board of assessors until June 30th, 2029 unless sooner revoked or a successor is appointed. >> I'll second that. >> Okay, we'll take the role. Mr. Smith >> I. >> Miss Potes. >> I. >> Mr. Meadows. >> I.
>> Mr. Niccastro. >> I. >> And the chair says I as well. >> Okay. We'll move on to the to the board of health. So, the board of health currently has um two alternates um one vacant member seat through June 30th, 2029 and two alternate seats um with
terms ending June 30th, 2027. On June 9th, the select board did interview Griffin Lloyd and he had expressed interest in multiple committees but with a like real um interest in the board of health. Uh so, uh he is before you and I know that tonight someone else was also
interviewed who had expressed interest in the board of health as well. But again, there is one full member seat and two alternate seats open. >> Okay. I'll entertain a motion for the board of health. >> Um, sure. >> I move to appoint Griff Griffin Lloyd as
a member of the board of health until June 30, 2029, unless sooner a vote for successor is appointed. >> I'll second that. But I have a question. >> Please. >> So, so Corey, it's your intent. You you think we should appoint um uh Griffin as
the full member and uh at this juncture? >> Um yeah. >> All right. Well, I'm >> I think he's qualified. I think he's qualified. Um it it's it's it's a double-edged, you know, there's no wrong candidate to serve. I'm just giving him
a a nod. >> No. And I I want to give him a nod, too. And I I was I'm I fully support him to be appointed. I kind of uh put myself out on a limb with the uh other candidate today. Um so I'm gonna stick with what I had said to uh Mr. Seagull
and um I'm going to recommend that that Griffin be the associate member at this juncture. >> Okay. >> Um I think Griffin has a lot of longetivity in this position and he will be a full member in a New York minute I'm sure. >> Okay.
>> So I think I think there needs Mr. Chair, I think there needs to be a second nomination from what I'm hearing. >> It does. >> So, we'll have two two names to choose from for the full position >> and then we can have a second vote >> uh motion on vote on on the alter alternate position.
>> No, I think I think we're limited to >> Griffith and Lloyd and whether he'd be a full member or a associate member. >> Yeah, because >> why would we be why would we why would we be limited? >> We just >> We've interviewed both candidates. >> We interviewed them tonight. I mean, >> so okay,
>> I want No, >> I'm I'm sorry, Craig. I don't I'm not sure I understand why you think we're limited. >> Tradition traditionally, when we have candidates for um action, we list them and like we we didn't list it in the agenda tonight. I know, maybe it's
splitting hairs. Um I mean, the assumption would be that next week we would appoint the candidate we we interviewed tonight to whatever position we we choose. Um, >> I'm not trying to micromanage anything. >> No, I I I do agree with Corey.
Typically, we wait a week or so and um post it then take the vote. I mean, we can put it in you can put his name in nomination tonight if you'd like, Randy. That's fine. If you want to nominate Bert Seagull, that's okay. >> I think I'll I'll go with the usual. I I remember that you always wait, too. Not
not to contradict Dean, but basically I think we can get Mr. Seagull next time. Um, and I I um I guess I would nominate uh Griffin Griffin Lloyd is his name. Um for a an associate member. So that's the way I would do it.
>> Okay. And you're going to need a second. >> Okay. Sure. >> Okay. >> It would be an alternate member. >> No, no alternate member. Yes. So that's what I would do. >> Okay. And you nominated for the >> I nominated him for a full to 2029. Randy is nominating him to 2027
basically >> as an alternate and there has not been a second on her nomination >> nor mine. >> Well, I I'll second um Corey's nomination. >> Okay. >> I had Miss Pot So, Miss Potachi seconded Mr. Meet's motion. Are you withdrawing that for your
>> So, so we're not we're not taking any action on on Mr. Seagull tonight. Either way, >> right? Correct. So there should So there's one I think there should be just given that there should be just one motion on the on the table and there is >> and that's Cor Corey's motion that was
seconded initially by Randy >> correct >> to nominate um to appoint uh Griffin Lloyd as a full member. >> She's withdrawing her second and Stuart is is seconding. Uh >> okay that's exactly what's happening. Okay. >> So it's for Griffin Lloyd for a term of
three years as a full member of the board of health. I'll I'll run the role here. Mr. Smith. >> I >> Miss Potes. >> Um I'll abstain. >> Okay. Mr. Mr. Meadows. >> I >> Mr. Niccastro. >> I >> And the chair says I as well.
>> Okay. Um Council on Aging Board of Directors is up next. On May 26th, the select board interviewed Tom Beaver for the uh one seat that is currently vacant. There are no other candidates for the Council on Aging at this time. So,
>> so this one's easy. Um, I moved uh to um appoint Tom Beaver for the seat that has been vacated by Stan Mansfield uh to the um Council on Aging. >> I'll second that. >> Okay, we have a motion and a second. I'll call the role. Mr. Smith, >> I >> Miss Pot. I
>> Mr. Meadows. >> I >> Mr. Niccastro. I just wanted to clarify that's until June 30th, 2029 unless soon revoked or a successor is appointed. That's part of >> Sorry about that. I left that out. Yes. >> And I >> Okay. And the chair says I as well.
>> Uh historic Let's see. >> Next is Energy and Climate Action Committee. On May 19th, the board interviewed Morgan White um for a seat that will be vacant as of June 30th, 2026. Uh there are no other candidates at this time for the Energy and Climate Action Committee.
>> Okay. So I move to appoint Morgan White as a member of the Energy and Climate Action Committee until June 30th, 2029 unless sooner revoked or a successor is appointed. >> I'll second that. >> Okay, we'll call the role. Mr. Smith, >> hi. >> Mach. >> Hi. >> Mr. Meadows. >> Hi. >> Mr. Niccastro.
>> Hi. >> And Mr. Dyken says I as well. >> Okay. Water and sewer. >> On to historical commission. >> I'm sorry. Historical. Um there is a vacant alternate seat currently on the historical commission and on January 27th 2026 the select board did interview
Mora Cook um for that alternate seat at the time there were two candidates for the one for at that time only one seat a second seat will be vacant um and Miss Cook um is up for consideration for that seat. >> All right, very good. So, um, I move to
appoint Mara Cook as an alternate member of the historical commission until June 30th, 2027, unless sooner revoked or a successor is appointed. >> I'll second that. >> Thank you, Mr. Smith. Okay, we'll call the role. Mr. Smith, >> I Mr. Meadows. Hi, >> Mr. Niccastro.
>> Yeah, I just want to point out she's going to be replacing Sandy Porter who's been on the board for a long time and is voluntarily stepping down. I >> and chair votes I as well. And I would love to write a thank you note to Miss Porter. Okay. Thanks. >> And finally, um, for tonight, the water
and sewer advisory committee. Both Bruce Beardis and Debbie Aman currently serve on the water and sewer advisory committee and both have terms ending the end of this month and are both interested in being reappointed. Again, on June 2nd, the board interviewed Frank D. Philippo, who had indicated this was a committee he was interested in as
well. Um, so the motion has two blanks currently for the board to select which two people they would like to appoint. Pro probably just do it individually though, but not that we've ever seen a paired motion. >> Yeah, >> I think you'd done it once or twice in once in the past, but you could do it
individually again. >> Why don't we do it individually? Yeah. Okay. So, nomination. Bruce Bartis. >> Nominate second. I'll second. >> Okay. >> Okay. Call the RO. Mr. Smith. >> I. >> Miss Potach. >> Hi. >> Mr. Meadows. Hi. >> Mr. Niccastro.
again with that qualifying >> ending June 30th. [snorts] >> We're slipping tonight. >> And then the chair says I as well. >> Debbie Aman, please. >> Mr. Chair, >> yes sir. >> I move to I was going to move I move to appoint Debbie Aman
>> as a member of the water and sewer advisory committee until June 30th, 2029. I must soon revoked her successor is appointed. >> And I'll second that. >> Okay, we'll call the role. Mr. Smith I >> Miss Potes. I but I want to add that that will be until June 30th, 2029
unless sooner revoked or a successor is appointed. >> Thank you very much, Miss Potes. >> And I vote yes, >> Mr. Meadows. >> I Mr. Niccastro >> I. >> And the chair votes I as well. Here we go. Turn the page. >> So that concludes all of the
appointments, but I did want to the final part of the memo uh just kind of reviews what committees remain. The community preservation committee, as you are aware, that is comprised of representatives of various town committees. I've received um to date, I
believe, two of the uh recommendations and I'm waiting on the third to bring forward so that you can um appoint reappoint those rep or representatives to the CPC. The cultural council, you interviewed a candidate tonight and um
that will be brought forth next week. Uh but also there was a candidate also interviewed I believe last week. Um >> so you'll have two currently two candidates for one seat although the chair indicated on June 9th he may be expanding that has not yet been received. So um it would most likely be
two candidates for one seat next week. And then parks and recck commission David Mallows um he's currently serving and he's expressed interest in being reappointed. Seal Harrian who was interviewed LA about a year ago expressed interest and will be reintered um next week um for that seat as well.
So the board will have two candidates for the one seat. And then summer residence advisory committee uh you'll be interviewing the remaining incumbents to this uh committee on the 30th. Unfortunately, they were not available for tonight. That's why you'll have three uh candidates from the summer
residence advisory committee uh before you on the 30th. Um, I know again we were talking about waiting a week, but it's I'll I'll ask the chair at a later time or the board if you want as a whole right now if you'd like to put them forward on the 30th even though you'll be interviewing them that same day.
They're all incumbents and there are no u there's two also two candidates uh Rob Wood um and um Robert Goodman. Rob Wood I heard from just today asking um if he would be able to be considered still. Robert Goodman um was interviewed
September 16th, 2025 and he has also expressed interest. So you have a couple of people you had interviewed previously who are still also interested for those seats as well. >> And you do have you you've outlined where we can go back and look at that interview. Okay, that's good because I never Thank you very much Kathy. You do
a great job of this stuff. Very thank you very much. Okay, uh that is the end of our business agenda this evening. We are going to have an executive session and I will I think I will rely on Dean. I do I rely on you to for the executive session motion.
>> I'm going to let Rand Randy do it. >> All right. Okay. >> Senator by voice. >> I understand. I totally understand. Miss Potes please. So, executive session, Mass General Law, chapter 30A, section 21 uh 6 to consider the purchase,
exchange, lease, or value of real property in parentheses 231 and 243 Crow Road, 31 Meeting House Road, 0 Taylor Pawn Road, um in parenthesis, if the chair declares that an open meeting may have a detrimental effect on the
negotiating position of the governmental body with no return to open session. There's a motion. I need I need a second. >> Second. Okay. >> That's that's your motion. That's a motion. >> That's the motion. Sure. >> Yes, sir. That's the motion. Mr. Smith, >> I. >> Miss Potes. >> I,
>> Mr. Meadows. Hi, >> Mr. Niccastro. >> I. >> And the chair votes I as well. Good night, Chadam. Thank you very much.