Heat. Heat. Good evening everyone and welcome to the Chattam Select Board meeting of May 26, 2026. Let the record show the meeting started at 5:37 p.m. Pursuant to Governor Healey's March 28th, 2025 signing of chapter 2 of the acts of 2025
extending certain COVID 19 measures adopted during the state of emergency suspended suspending certain provisions of the open meeting law general law chapter 38 section 20 till June 30th 2027. This meeting of the Chadam select board is being conducted in person and
via remote participation. Every effort will be made to ensure that the public can access the proceedings as provided for in the order. A reminder that persons who would like to listen to this meeting while in progress may do so by calling the phone number 158-945-4410
conference ID 203 386491 pound or join the meeting online via Microsoft Teams through the link in the posted agenda. While this is a live broadcast and simoccast on Chadam TV Xfinity channel 1072,
despite our best efforts, we may not be able to provide real-time access. We will post a record of this meeting on the town's website as soon as is possible. First order of business here is to establish a quorum and I'll do so uh with a roll call. Mr. Smith >> present. >> Miss Botach >> present.
>> Mr. Me >> and Mr. Dykins the chair is present as well. Um, second order of business is to adopt and appro approve and adopt the uh I should say approve the minutes of May 15, 2026. I'll entertain a motion. >> Motion to approve >> and a second.
>> I'll second. >> Any comments, questions, edits, Mr. Meadows. Yes. >> Yes. Well, since Dean's not here, I'll I found one. I found one. >> Proud of you right now. >> Um, on page three under Stuart Smith the motion. Uh, there's it's blank. So, yes or no.
>> Oh, good get there Mr. Matters. Anything else? Mr. Meadows? >> No. >> Okay. So, it's been a motion with that one amendment. There's been a a motion in a second. We'll call the role. Mr. Smith, >> I. >> Miss Botach. >> Hi, >> Mr. Meadows. >> Hi. >> And the chair says I as well. Public
announcements and agenda item requests. I'll turn to the board first. I have a couple as well, but Mr. Meadows. >> Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'd like to make an agenda item request. Um, so basically long story short, I attended the last Cape Island Selectman Council meeting in
Provincetown um recently and one of the speakers was the um um assistant town manager of Province Town and I want to steal one of their ideas. So essentially what they're doing is they do this like community um survey. It's I look at it as almost like a community scorecard
scoring up like the town and the select board and what they're doing and and we can structure it, you know, to fit us. It's a 60some uh question um survey, some demographics, you know, how's the transfer station doing, how's the park and wreck doing, how is whatever doing
and um it's it's relatively new for them and it could be done every one year, two year, three year, but I like to have a discussion about kind of coming up with our our own version of it. um so we can kind of get better input from the community uh on where we're doing well in and where we could use some improvements. So,
>> okay, Corey, good. Anything else from the board? I have I have a couple here. Just a couple of announcements, some notes, I should say, some comments. Uh you know, we just got through our Memorial Day ceremony, and I have to admit, I thought it was one of the best ceremonies we've had. I I congratulate
Brian Miner and his team um for a wonderful I thought it was excellent. I love the way he invited Morton Dean there to to speak and he spoke so eloquently and he includes the schools and and and uh you know enumerates folks sitting there the zippos and it was just
he just did a great job. The music was great. Anyway, I thought he thought it was outstanding. I also wanted to note that um and thank uh I wanted to note uh about the condition of the cemeteries on our Memorial Day. I I toured Union and South
Chadam and I heard that people in Seaside were in great shape. And I also want to thank the people that volunteered to put flags on the graves. I believe the Coast Guard was involved. I think Mike Ryder was involved. I know Adrian down in the um DPW office helped organize it. But I just want to thank
from the town those folks that spent time putting um flags on graves. I I've done it a couple times and it's it's really interesting and it's quite moving, but it's very interesting to to look at the names on the on the graves in the cemetery. So anyway, I thank them. I thank them very much. I also
have one announcement, one kind of sad announcement. Thomas Hartnett, a member of the golf advisory committee from 2003 to 2011, passed away on May 7th, 2026. So I'll just call for a brief moment of silence for Mr. Hartnett.
Thank you folks and thank you Tom for your service on the golf advisory committee. And I believe that uh Miss Dunovan has uh an announcement about the town's open space plan. Katie Dunovan, please come forward. >> Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chair, members of
the board. Katie Dunovan, assistant town manager and director of community development. Um, a couple of months back, uh, the town through its community development, community service, and natural resources department, um, began the process of, uh, an update to our
open space and recreation plan. Um, around the middle of April, we opened up a community survey and, um, the survey was open through, I think it was May 18th. We had a public input session on May 20th and we heard from some folks there that they would have liked to have
seen the survey open for a little bit longer. Um so we have done that. So this announcement is to let folks know that that survey is actually up and available on the town's website through the town projects page. Um the survey is available um through the link um right
here where it says take the survey now. And then the other interesting thing that we have for folks to take a look at is what's called a Mad Lib field notes page. And with this page, just going to open it up here.
Folks can give information about specific parks and conservation areas um in a way that we're getting the information from folks that we're looking for to help to inform the plan. So, I just wanted to let folks know that the survey will be available again now
until June 3rd. Uh, the MADLIBS will be available until June 17th and that will all um the Mad Libs would be returned to our town planner Christina Grady um again by June June 17th of this year. So, this is more of a public announcement to let folks know that
those are available. >> Excellent. Thank you, Katie. That's great. Hopefully, folks will fill it out. It's it's it's important. >> Yes. Thank you. Any other uh public announcements and or agenda item requests from folks that are in the audience here this evening? Are there any announcements and or agenda item
requests for folks online? I see none. So, okay, we'll continue on with our regular agenda. There's no public hearing this evening. So, we have a consent agenda. Um uh there are three items. A boot camp at the Chattam Community Center, 702 Main Street and
Harding Beach. Mary Austin is the request to work. Cadam Yoga at the Chattam Community Center, 702 Main Street in Hardings Beach. Jackie Wilson is the requesttor. And then Lighthouse Beach Yoga at Lighthouse Beach. Jennifer Fedig is the requesttor. So, and also
a uh consideration of the use of town property and a special one-day entertainment license for Witches on the Water. their annual standup paddle board SUP standup paddle board fundraising event on October 3rd 2026 with a rain
date of October 4th 2026 at Oyster Pond Joel and Eric Erikson Witches on the Water Now if folks from Witches on the Water or any of these folks meaning Mary Austin Jackie Wilson or Jennifer Afettic would like to speak they're more than welcome to speak but
these are on our consent agenda meaning we can deal with them individually or not as the case May be. So if you want a little moment in the in in the limelight to a little PR or not, it's up to you. But I'll if Mary Austin want to say anything.
>> Okay. >> Question. >> Yeah. >> I'm not sure. >> Oh, no. But please come up. >> Well, you have to have the limelight. I'm sorry. >> You have to identify yourself and and take the limelight. >> Um my name is Jackie Wilson. >> Okay, Jack.
>> Um and I represent Chattam Yoga. >> Yep. Um, I didn't receive the agenda ahead of time. Um, but it sounds like the agenda that you have might be missing some information. >> Yeah, good. >> Um, so it notes beach yoga at Harding
Beach, which should be on there. Um, but it should also include yoga classes at the community center. >> Uhhuh. >> On Monday and Thursday evenings at 700 p.m. >> Okay. It does does no Chattam yoga at the Chattam Community Center. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Um, >> Mr. matters. Go ahead.
>> We don't have to approve the use of the the rooms. Correct. >> No, >> we are just the that segment is not part of our review basically. >> That's correct. Parks and recreation. >> Park and recreation commission. >> Yeah. The permission to use the the the
actual rooms in the in the community building uh don't require the select board's approval. >> Okay. Thank you. >> But we're doing Harding speech. >> Well, it's the license the select board the license for the facilities use. We good? >> Good. >> Okay. >> Thank you.
>> Anybody else? Yes. Joelen. >> Joelen, are you not? >> Yeah. >> Good evening. Yes. I'm Joelen Ericson, the president of Witches on the Water, and I think our application is incredibly self um self-explanatory. I just wanted to say thank you from behalf of all the Witches on the Water. The
town has been amazing over these past we can't believe it's this is our sixth annual. And I just wanted to add the note we've already given away over $140,000. >> Great. >> Um to local nonprofits. So I just wanted to let you know that and thank you again. >> And Joel, who's the nonprofit this year? That's >> this year is the Family Table
Collaborative. And Jenny Jenny Wheeler's um at the wheel of that ship and doing amazing jobs for our whole Cape community with providing um nourishing nourish nourishing meals um and and awareness as well, which is wonderful. >> Awesome. >> Thank you very much.
>> Okay, good enough. Okay. Uh, we >> Mr. Chair, I move to approve the consent agenda >> and second, please. >> I'll second that. >> Okay. Uh, Mr. Smith, >> I. >> Miss Potach. Hi. >> Mr. Meadows. I >> And the chair says I as well. Thank you very much for your time and your
interest in in serving the town of Chad. Thank you very much. >> Okay, we have the next item on our agenda is public comments on our business agenda. Typically, we allow everybody to talk to speak uh during our business agenda. But if anybody wants to get ahead of the game and make comments
before we consider an item in our business agenda, this is the this is the moment. And on our business agenda this evening, we have a one-day alcohol license creative arts center summer gathering on June 18th. We have a 90 bridge deed update. Um we have uh a
consideration of town licenses with utilities for banners on a joint owned polls which you are we are going to defer. We're not going to discuss that this evening. We have consider a recommendation of the zoning board of appeals to elevate an associate member to a full member. And then we have our TM manager monthly report and we'll
finish the evening by going into into an executive session with and we'll announce that when we get there. So anybody out there that wants to speak in advance on the business agenda this evening hearing. Seeing no one, we will go on to our first item on the business agenda, the consideration of a special 1-day
alcohol license, the Creative Arts Center summer gathering on June 18th at 14 Main Street. I know we have Amy Middleton here to speak. I can see her online. Hi, Amy. Welcome. >> Hi there. >> Hi. Hi, Amy. Why don't you uh describe what you're doing uh yet once again and see where we go.
>> Sure. >> Yep. >> Thank you for having me. Um this is our annual summer benefit. Um, last year it was also held at the Chattam Beach and Tennis Club. It is going to be on Thursday, June 18th from 6:00 to 8:30
p.m. will have park. We have parking secured at Holy Redeemer with um shuttles bringing folks to and from the event and we are using uh Luke's um
wholesale distributors for the alcohol and we which is beer and wine and um John's um liquor store in Falmouth is we've hired for the tip safe bartenders
and servers. >> Okay. This is an event you have every year. >> Yep. From >> every year. >> And we sell tickets for it and the tickets are $175 each. Um this makes up
a big portion of our fundraising efforts, about 60% of our fundraising efforts with silent and live um auction items. Um it's a really fun celebratory event and a beautiful venue and um we
would really appreciate you granting us this uh one-day liquor license. >> Okay. Thank you, Amy. Any any questions or comments for Amy? Okay. I'll entertain a motion. >> Uh Mr. Mr. Chair, I move to grant a special 1-day alcohol license to Amy Middleton of the Creative Arts Center
for the annual summer benefit on June 18th, 2026 from 6:00 p.m. to 8:30 p.m. at the Chattam Beach and Tennis Club, 14 Main Street, Chattam. >> I'll second that. >> Thank you, Mr. Smith. Okay, we'll take the role there. No more further comments. Mr. Smith, >> I miss Bash. Mr. Meadows,
>> hi. >> And Mr. Dykins says I as well. I hope it's good weather and have a lot of fun, Amy. It's a great event. >> Oh, thank you so much. I hope to see you there. Yep. You bet. >> Thank you. >> Yep. Thank you. >> Okay.
Okay. Now, we have I I think a pretty interesting uh update on 90 Bridge Street uh bid report uh and a vote to authorize a contract for the boat house renovation. And I welcome uh our director of natural resources, Greg Burman, and our I believe our clerk of
the works andor um well, Mr. Pomeroy, who seems to do all these projects, but anyway. Welcome gentlemen. Interesting package that you included with with our and anyway, why don't you give us an update and run through what you need to do and let's see if we can get a vote together.
>> Great. Absolutely. So, I'll be relatively brief. I'm Greg Burman, your director of natural resources. Uh Rick Balroy is here joining me as our owner's project uh manager. So, as has been typical for the phases of 90 Bridge and for our larger
waterfront infrastructure projects, we bring the bid results to the select board for input before signing contracts. We did this with the bulkhead back in 2024. We did it with the Pearson floats back in 2025.
2026, we're bringing you the boat house uh retrofit restoration and hopefully also the seawater system. We had hoped to bring both of those to you this evening, but it was significantly more
expensive than estimated with the seawater systems. So much so that we are doing a rebid. We're going through procurement again currently. Uh the boat house was also over estimates and Mr. Pomeroy is here to join me to talk about some of the reasons why that was higher
than the uh amounts that were estimated at that time. And I I also did want to mention um that the title of this agenda report mentions a bath house that's from our contract documents. It's it's been listed in those contract documents for
many years. This is not a fancy bath house. This is bathrooms in a storage area. Uh it's actually smaller than the shed that was on that property originally. It's about 10 by 20. Uh but this has been within the contract the whole time. Uh but this is a replacement
of I believe it was Henry's uh fishing shanty. It was that shed that the shellfish department used for so many years. U so with that I turn it over to Mr. Palmroy to discuss our overall budget and our strategy moving forward and our recommendation this evening.
Good evening, Richard Pomeroy. U in front of us this evening is the uh boat house bid from Robert Bau. We had uh one bidder on the project and we would have liked to had more but um we're feeling it's a direct result of where things are
right now with the uh with this type of specialized work and um we had we had pushed to get more biders going but uh this is the only bid we received. It is over the estimate by approximately 300 thou $300,000
and u there's been a number of changes that have taken place over the last couple of years. Uh the the um the restoration of the boat house has taken on a a new view. The original plan was a purpose-built building and when the uh
boat house was became available, we downsized um the um the operations of the facility in a way that uh because the boat house was smaller than the original program uh for the building that was planned. So uh by doing that uh
what we ended up what we ended up doing was creating a mezzanine within the building or a second and almost a third floor for mechanical systems. And originally uh if if there was a purpose-built building, it would have most likely been on the first floor. Um the we also added into the scope a uh a
defalling system um that uh is creates an efficient um efficient way to keep the pipes maintain or maintain the operating system. uh and uh we're looking at what's happening
overseas and the fact that we've actually cut this up into three and four projects. So each project has their own separate uh mobilization and demobilization cost. Uh so that's the you know that's that's our the rationale behind um the increases that we've seen.
Uh we've gone through and reviewed the bid. Um we've also uh checked reference checks on the contractor. uh they do a lot of work in the area and have a very good reputation. The second component to that was the seawater system and that came in uh
grossly over the original estimates and um we've worked really hard with the design engineer as well as the specialty consultant for that to see if there's areas that we can value engineer all the while keeping the uh design
intent intent in place um and reducing some of the uh specification qualifications for the materials and um we had also included in the bid documents surplus equipment like a second pump for redundancy and uh
second in second intake systems for redundancy in allow operations. Uh we've handled look at those as unit prices to see how the bid the bids come out but at this point that's out for rebid. Our hope is that it comes down considerably.
The competition was minimal on that as well. And uh we've spoken with a couple of other contractors. We did see some at the pre- bid, we did see a new face, so we're hoping that we get um we get some more bids on it. That's kind of where we
stand at this point. >> And I I have had some conversations with um Seapport Econ Economic Council. Uh they're the ones who provided our current grant of 857,000. Um, it was my intention to broach the
idea of having a a request for amendment to increase our fiscal year 26 to make up for some of this. Um, I also made that request of the food security infrastructure grant. U, they said that it wasn't possible, but sec uh seapport
economic council is willing to entertain it. I did put in a request for an additional uh 476,000. You know, there's no guarantees and they did say that other folks are kind of in the same situation. Things are coming
back more expensive. Um, and something that I had not thought to put in the financial impact at the time, but our current already awarded 857,000. Uh, 214,262 of that was intended to be spent in
fiscal year 26. And unless we can get a contract and PO in place before the end of June, that money might be in jeopardy just for the boat house aspect. So, just wanted to add that to the fire. >> What was that number, Greg? Couple hundred grand. 26.
>> Yeah, about 214,000. >> And the rest of that money was already planned to be spent in fiscal year 27. But they ask you to break it down by what's happening during what quarter and kind of hold you to what's happening in a fiscal year because their money
doesn't necessarily cross the fiscal line. >> And to secure that, we need a signed contract is what you what you said. Yeah, >> just I have a couple questions then I'm going to turn it to the commit to our board here. But um the uh overage on the 33 337,000 overage um that's related to
the a change in design, Rick, is that is that what you're saying? >> We we we've tried to rationalize it in that way. The estimates were it was estimated in 2023 and then reestimated in 2025, right? Um and uh we're over the
20 2025 numbers and um we've some of uh the materials uh that we've seen we've seen a drastic increase in the last month and a half uh with what's going on overseas. Um and we we also looked at the fact that we're carving up um the
projects. When it was originally estimated, it was all estimated as one project. uh when you carve it up into three or four different projects, you run the risk of having different contractors for the different phases, but you also run the risk of separate mobilization
charges uh by for the contractor. >> Um and that's what we're we're looking at here. >> And and for the for the for the construction, we we received one bid. >> That's correct. >> And then for the sea the seawater, we received one bid. >> Correct. >> Yeah. Well, and we rejected that
outright. It's I mean that's the number that just absolutely jumps out at you. >> And then what so far if we look at the April 26 comm is is the nut right now with with the the old seawater number of of 27 which is what we carried forward.
Um well the seawater was 15495. So that clearly 27 is just totally out of whack. So, so I'm trying to trying to think what the net would be with the town's grants that we've received and any other
funds that we've allocated to the what's the town's ultimate net going to be. Can you use the old number of the sea with the seawater system? Don't use the new number of 27. That's that's outrageous. I mean, it may go up some, but
so far, Greg, we've received $87,000 in Seapport grants. 850. >> So yeah, the Seabort grant was 857,000. >> Yeah. >> Food security infrastructure grant was 730,000. >> Got it. >> And that those were the most recent ones
back in September of 25 and January of 26. >> So approximately 16 has been received you has been is going to net this project down >> recently. Yeah. And I mean we we've you know had other funding from Seapport for the bulkhead phase. Uh, we're going to
have the CPC funds in use. Um, let's see. The the overall um I don't know if that's separated. Oh, sorry. I know I do. The overall grants uh are 3,850,15. Uh about 1.5 coming of that since September.
And um let's see if we if we assume you know 1.5 for the seawater system. >> Yeah. And that may be a little light but I mean it's not 27. We know that. So >> yeah uh that would have um I'm sorry
some of these have the purchase and study that was in there originally but some of those numbers I was throwing around that the total anticipated cost will be just over 11 million. Yeah. Yeah. But from that we take 38.
>> Correct. >> Right. Is that correct? Is that is that okay? All right. Okay. So I mean I'm going to do a little math while while we're with Turfit here. Uh Mr. Med, do you have a point question? I'm sure everybody does. >> I mean we have one bidder. We've worked with other very professional companies
in the past on multiple waterway projects. Why do you think maybe they didn't bid on this? >> We don't have an answer for that. Should we begin? >> How many people took out bid packages? >> Pardon me. >> How many people took out big packages?
Excuse me. >> Uh, I think there was uh there was 11 that that drew packages and some of those were material suppliers. Some of those were just people looking around to see what what the project was all about. I think there was 11 that did the
building restoration. I think there was just about the same amount for the seawater original seawater bid. I guess just my my two cents worth I mean we're going to have to figure out a way to move this forward but only getting one response when in the past we've worked with you know very
qualified entities that have done you know projects for this town that I think we've been very happy with. Surprises me that they didn't respond to this one. >> Well they some of those companies that you're thinking of and I'm thinking of did pull the package. Uh we we've got three or four contractors that we're
very familiar with that pulled the packages that just didn't decided not to bid on the job. 149 verse 30. >> Yeah. And some of the Yeah, that's a good point. Depending upon which project you're talking about, the the building itself is a restoration project and that
that has to fall under chapter 149. Then the seawater system is a different uh different statute falls under 3030B. So >> and even the bulkhead and pierce were not under 149. So might be different >> qualification skill. Yeah, that all of
the bulkheads and peers, they had to they had to qualify under chapter 3030 3039, excuse me. Um, they also had to have seawater experience um which kind of what I'm getting at is did they not respond because certain parameters
disqualified them as being, you know, able to move forward on it or was there something else that were missing? That's what I'm trying to figure wrap my head around. >> We didn't do a deep dive on why they didn't bid. Okay. Uh, Miss Potest, and then Mr. Smith. Yep. >> So, I'm no expert on procurement law,
but my understanding, and and please correct me if I'm wrong, is that you can reach out to companies and say, "Hey, you know, we have this on the website for your for your consideration." Is that something that you usually do or that you could have done in this case?
Um, maybe you noticed some companies didn't apply that you thought maybe they would. C. Can you reach out? Is that is that legal >> after the bid? We certainly could call them and ask them why they did not submit. Uh but it's irrelevant at that moment after the bid has been received.
Before the bid, uh the plan holders looked healthy. Uh but if we start interacting with the biders before the bid is due, >> then uh you you can't do that. No, I just meant if they if you noticed somebody didn't bid that you thought
maybe should have, could you reach out to them through email and say just take take a look at the website, you know, did you notice this one? >> But after the bid has been received, uh there's no other bids that can, you know, okay, is it is a a strict deadline and once the bids have been received,
the bidding is closed. I think that is a good point for lessons learned, you know, for future projects to if there was something restricting the amount of people coming in, we could see what that was and try to affect it for next time. >> Mr. Smith, I think Miss Potach was
referring to prior to the bids being received. You could you could reach out to a company if you if you chose and said, "Hey, there's a bid, you know, coming up. You might want to look at the website, took out bid specs." I think >> that that is what I meant. I have been had some involvement with this at the
county. So, yeah, >> and we did we did do that. We were aware of uh a number of contractors that had pulled the drawings. We also made uh contractors aware that it was coming down the bike. So, um >> so um
excuse me, >> I'm a big supporter of these projects. This seawater system bid is staggering. >> It's crazy. Never mind the new price. I'm talking about the old price.
What is involved in 1 point? Let's take the consu the first one. 1 point what am I looking at? 5 million >> one. What? Tell me what's different with what we're doing at um Stage Harbor
Road compared to what we're going to be doing at uh Bridge Street. And I'm I'm at a loss >> a lot. Uh the we have um the seawater
intake system alone is very complicated. The existing system that's utilized now is uh small almost hand pumps uh that are used uh and the pressure is low and the maint maintenance and upkeep is uh is is quite consistent. During this
design, there was uh there was a a mandate from the town to create redundancy and to have an efficiency efficient water flow system. If you recall, because I think you were part of these original meetings, uh we looked at a pump system that was landbased
uh in a bulkhead which uh was very uh high, it's not high volume, but I guess it is high volume uh water pressure uh to to make sure that the shellfish get the um the uh circulation that's required. The system that we're
designing now has an elevation issue because we're drawing from uh low water. We have to draw draw at you know below below low water table um up to the
second floor of the existing of the of the boat house above the pier. So we have a lot of pull pressure uh that the pumps have to require. We've also set it up. >> Excuse me. Excuse me. I I'll forget if if I don't ask these. The you mentioned at the beginning, but
I don't think you were to clarify for the public. You don't mean hand pumps at stage harbor. >> Well, you're you're absolutely right. They're not hand pumps. >> Yeah. Just so you didn't scare people. Somebody's out there pumping. It relies on uh you know, the pump system, a very a smaller pump system
that is actually lowered into the water and taken out of the water by hand. Uh the system that's designed at this point is a high volume system with a very efficient uh one single pump. Uh the existing system has three
>> three pumps. We're going to be working off of one pump with three intakes uh on Davids. And so the pumps can actually be pulled from the water by one operator, lifted up, maintained, cleaned, lowered into the water again to to make sure
that things don't get followed up. It's uh they're also we're adding heat a high high temperature system to the components so that everything can be backwashed on a regular basis to keep the fing out of the pipes. Uh and >> you're going to be excuse me here again
I I might ask we move. You're going to be heating. That's new. >> Um not that new. >> Well, it certainly is new. We don't heat the We don't heat currently. >> Oh, it's new. I'm sorry. Yes. New compared to before. not new in design. We've been talking about it for a couple
of years. Um, but that uh that allows the system to be cleaned rather than being dismantled. Is when you reevaluate this? Do you think maybe we've overengineered
this thing? Uh I I'm I get the height that you know uh that's a that's an issue. I get that. And you're going from three to one pump. So what one pump fails, you have to have a backup. Am I Am I on the right track here? >> Well, we have one pump.
>> We have one pump that handles three intakes. >> So you can take two intakes out. You can take one intake out of commission, uh, clean it, work on it while the other two are operating. So you're creating that redundancy that way. You can have all three of them running. >> What if the pump fails?
>> Well, I thought we weren't taking it apart to clean it because we're heating it. The baskets do need to be cleaned. Uh I'm sorry. I we could I could go through the whole semantics of of this. >> Well, I I'm just um you know, we could do it at a different
time, I guess, because the seawater system we're not awarding, not tonight. >> Correct. >> Right. Um, you know, I don't think you'll find a more group of people here that support the shellfish industry and the and the
the waterfront industry in general, but this this is um this is well, you guys already know this is this is a huge issue. There there's grants or no grants. This is almost
something's very much a miss in my mind from going from three pumps. We're going to a third more ca capability in this building than we have and we built that building. We built that system at stage harbor.
Basically, it was one person who designed, built and maintained it. And you know, when I was working, I was concerned that we were overengineering it. that this was basically not in my wheelhouse. I was more on the navigation side, not the shelfish side. Um, but you
know, th this board has a responsibility to ensure that whether it's grant money or or town money that we that we spend it appropriately. And I'm concerned as to what this may have, you know, turned
into. Um are we is is this money does it also uh involve the generator or is that part of a different >> the overall budget does in involve the generator? Yes, >> the overall budget meaning the G the one
we with Robert Hour doing the building. it it's separate from that and that's one of >> is it part of this the seawater >> it was going to be we pulled it out separate to try to do an owner supply to try to reduce costs even more that's kind of what we're exploring with this
rebid is trying to pull out some things to owner supply trying to value engineer different types of galvi versus stainless different type of uh plastic piping that can handle the heat not necessarily the pressure needed >> um and it's uh
One of the, you know, earlier estimates was closer to 800,000 for the seawater system. You know, this 1.5 number, we actually got that when we were applying for the food infrastructure uh food security infrastructure grant and we got
was it uh 730,000 from that grant to bring it back to what it was originally priced at. The problem is it's doubled again practically after that. So we're looking to reduce costs.
>> It and and I get that. I mean I I but I I am familiar with other upwellers and um this is I mean I don't think staggering is too much of a I I think you need to go and take a serious look at those
plans and really determine you know what's nice to have and what we absolutely need to have to have an upweller. Um, you know, I'm I'm kind of out of the loop for the last several years, but um, uh, you know,
it's it's we've gone from, you know, and this is a problem. It's not just here. It's we've gone from, you know, over 900 shellfish commercial permits to just over 200. And um, we we have to uh, you know,
we got to we got to take a hard look at this. I think that that I think if the shellfish community knew this they'd have a stroke um at that. So I guess for now that's >> so let's move on here just a bit. Thank you Stuart. Now let's the uh the this
evening we're we're we're considering the 21 for for Bobby for Rob Robert Bau and for the construction. Okay. Any other comments there? And then Greg, if you would please um address who is designing and who is researching the the
seawater system because there you know the 27 obviously jumps out. Stuart's making an issue with the 15 the 1495 and I think folks really want to know what we are designing and what kind of costs are we are we looking at. Um clearly we made a huge commitment to the building
and to the site etc etc. So, we're not, you know, we're going to have an upweller, but we're not going to spend $2.7 million, as you guys have already determined, on an upweller, and perhaps they're not going to spend one and a half. So, I think we need to get grounded on what the thing is going to cost. That's all. And who's designing it
and what's the time time frame for it? If you'd respond, please. Thanks. >> Sure. Did you want to cover the >> Sure, absolutely. GEI Engineering is the uh lead design firm on the seawater system. Their subconsultant is TAG engineering and TAG is an expert in the
field of seawater systems for upwellers. That's primarily what they do. Um, and we can certainly go back. I think what would be helpful is that we provide a full in-depth presentation to the select board as to the the designed operation
of the facility and we can identify the redundancies and uh what may be considered premium items. uh this was not designed in a vacuum. Uh it was uh there were uh the previous director of natural resources was very heavily involved with this design and uh we had
a number of meetings over the years as to how it was going to function and what the requirements of it would be. So um you know we certainly can revisit that and go through that with you. >> Yeah. Yeah, I mean some of the things that struck me even when we're just looking at those 1.5 estimates we were
given I mean under the deck under the pier even the stainless steel hangers are almost $100,000 I mean it every aspect starts building up like that u but we are looking to value engineer and in response to your timing question you
know this wasn't an exact same just put the same procurement back out on the street we did some um a lot of the propagation equipment was separated out so we could one get that purchase it and get it purchased this fiscal year so we
can get the food security infrastructure grant taken care of. Uh but that's literally just the tanks, the raceways, that kind of thing that we then give the contractor to install it. We're hoping that's going to, you know, reduce overhead in addition to uh being able to
choose the exact materials and things like that that we need. Um, so the seawater contractor who had actually put this together, that's being rebid and that's planning to close on June 5th.
The propagation equipment is a separate bid and that would close on June 11th. >> So middle of Okay. So that bid's already been resubmitted. You've already put another bid out for what? >> For the seawater system. >> Okay. and any interest other than Robert Bau.
Robert Bau was the only one that responded the first time around. >> We did have another one at the walkth through this time and our engineer and various parties have said there might be other interested parties this time. We've had a number of meetings uh with
the with TAG uh who is the the engineer of the system and they've reached out to some of their contractors um and um you know I don't have a copy of how many people have pulled the documents but I can certainly get that.
>> But were the design elements modified before you put it out to rebid? >> Yes. >> So you've done your value engineering and they've been rebid. >> That's correct. >> Okay. What I'm driving at to what I'm trying to get at is you with that large number it's 116. Well, I did some math and if we take that number out and just
add the 15 for the seawater system, you get to 104. And the 15, I don't know if it's a good number or not, but if you use that number, you get to 104 for the total cost of the project. And you said it was 38 to that we've have had subsidies for 38. Now, is it fair
statement to say you can deduct 38 from 104? Is that a fair statement? So the I'm I'm driving trying to drive to what the net is for the town. And the number I get is around 766 or I call it 7 million bucks given an estimate of the seawater. So it's not I I don't want
folks to think that you've got 11.6 million project. It's more like in my P brain a $7 million project. >> Your math sounds right to me. Well, I mean I it dep all depends on the cost of the seawater system where that comes in and assuming that we approve the
construction, you know, contract this evening. >> And that's something that I'd be happy to bring, you know, full spreadsheet with various options when we get the new bids in what the total cost. >> Oh, you're going to have to I mean, we're going to we're going to we're going to want that. Yeah. Thank you, Greg. Yeah, Mr. Pomeroy.
>> Uh, yes, Mr. Chair. I just I I feel it's this these numbers are concerning. I agree. I just want to make sure that that everyone is clear that this entire project budget um everybody's focused on the upweller component of it. But the
dredging was occurred to better uh Metro River uh as part of this project. The bulkhead uh was installed which actually created more area uh uh land landside area. Uh the bulkhead extended out and we captured as much location as we
could. So it's a much larger area than it was originally. It's a better parking surface. Uh we've also dealt with the erosion uh as it as it may against the bridge itself and then the marina and the extension pier is
completely rebuilt with a new float. So um you know there's a number of other components that drive the cost as well. Um, so if you if we stay focused on just the upweller, I don't think it's fair to just the upweller because there's a lot of other improvements there that that the community is benefiting from. I
>> understood. And in fact, we saved some money from from our budget from what we estimated in December when we actually got out and the work was done in September. We saved, you know, like almost one and a half million bucks >> on the bulkhead and the dredging. I get it. I mean, so there've been up ups and downs, but you know, again, that number
and it pop for you guys as well. Thank thank goodness that the 27 but what we're asking is that you know how good is the 15 or not or something something in that orbit if you will. Um Mr. Smith has a comment. >> Sure. So um
yeah we I mean we're familiar with the other aspects of this project. It's you know it's taken place over a number of years. We did switch gears from that uh god-awful building that was designed uh originally to uh this historic structure
in order to save it. And there we garnered more support for the project in general uh for that. Um you know we did some dredging not only for navigation but we did it to get more depth for the pumps for the upweller. Um so that was a
you know a shared issue if you will. Um, so, um, I'm not questioning so much the bulkhead and, you know, we got rid of the rock revetment, we put a steel bulkhead in, we did those for good reason. >> Um,
uh, but this number, as you've already know, is is a it's a big issue and we we we don't want to lose support in the public um, uh, when they, you know, when they when they realize this. Um, so
I guess that's >> Okay, Mr. Smith, we have Miss Gibbs, you have your hand hand up. Please go ahead, Elaine. >> Uh, yes, I do. Thank you. I had a whole bunch of questions before this presentation and I've gotten more now
actually with uh what I've learned. I think it's premature to give a contract to anybody at this point. There are way too many uh separate line items that are still going out to bid that we don't know about. Uh these memos are extremely
confusing as to who's paid what. As an example, it said the donor covered the cost to remove hazmat materials, ship the boat house to New Bedford, and remove and dispose of the floor. And then it says with CP funds, CPC funds.
That's misleading to the public because the CP son funds are paid for by us uh the taxpayer and that's outside of the tax rate. Uh we approved $4 million at a September uh 2025 meeting. Um I don't
know where that's showing up and how much of that has been uh spent. Um, we you may have talked about the bath house internally, but we have not heard about the bath house before. >> The bottom line is how much is this
project costing us the taxpayers? Uh, the 85% over on the sea water project. It defies explanation how you could be that far off. I don't think anything should be approved until we get the taxpayers get a bottom line of how much
we've actually spent and what the real costs are expended and what the projections are that you are providing here. Normally when you're this far into a project and things have gone out to bid the contingencies go down. We get
more and more specific as to what the costs are. These are going up. They're going up in the wrong direction. And I don't believe for a minute these are going to be the final numbers. Um so I would hope that until you give an accounting to us about what we paid and
what we're going to pay uh nothing should be done. No contracts should be uh given to uh Robert Hour or anybody. This is not ready for prime time. The unknowns are huge. This is a money pit and it's going to go up and we should
not be buying onto this until the taxpayers know what we're actually buying into. Thank you. >> Okay, Miss Gibbs, uh, any further comments? Uh, um, Mr. Burman. >> Sure. So, we've tried to be very transparent with the costs certainly
over the last few years. Um, at the end of this memo is a budget recap. That is the estimate of what we well it is what the town has paid already. It's the projection going forward. Um this is a very large and complicated project. So
there aren't many where we just start from ground zero with a bulkhead and start building up from there one of the more complicated waterfront infrastructures that we have in town. This has been a phased project. We've done the bulkhead. We've done peers and floats. We're going to boat house. you
know, as we go through each one of those procurements until we get the bid back, until we get the contract signed, we don't know what that price is going to be. We couldn't, you know, start three or four years ago and get one contract for all this. It would have been cost
prohibitive back then. Um, and we wouldn't have known what we have in this contract right now. Um I guess basically is you know that we can provide justification for what has
been spent and the various sources of money that are available to the town to spend on this project. Um I think Rick and I and and our engineer have recommended this phase of the um overall
project just being the renovation of the boat house. you know, we had kind of hoped that this would be the last time uh in front of you, not because we don't like coming here, but this would be the the last phase for all of the uh uh procurements. Unfortunately, we're going
to have to come back again because the number didn't come in where we went with seawater. So, we're back to the drawing board on that phase. But as far as the overall schedule for the project, the seawater is going to stagger slightly after or you know it's going to happen
during renovation but not right when renovation starts. So we can have that contractor begin the renovation and then include the seawater contractor however many months later. It shouldn't affect the overall schedule too much. We really want, you know, we've been able to open
the extension area with that pier and float. Um, but the overall boat house, we really like to get that up and running for next spring. You know, not just for the upweller and the shellfish, but for the access, the parking, the education, and all the aspects of it.
>> Okay, Mr. Burman, thank you. I just my comment is I'm I'm comfortable. I wish we had had more biders, but I I Robert Bau has been involved in this project since day one and have done a great job for us and have in the past done a great job and I'm not uncomfortable um with especially because it's a bidden hand
and here it is. And yes, 300 grand over where we thought we'd be, but I think there are some extenduating circumstances in the interim that drive those costs up that I'm comfortable with. So, I'm not uncomfortable um moving forward with the 2.199 to to Robert Bau. you we've got a problem on
the seawater just because we've seen the numbers and they're they're you know they're horrifying. Anyway, so I I I I'm I'm comfortable going forward with the construction phase, but you guys have heard us very clearly I think this evening. Um anyway, I'll hear from the board. Yep. Mr. Smith,
>> what is what's the contingency on this? Did I miss that in here? >> I probably >> at the end in the bottom >> bill. Uh >> really is >> OP OP. Where is it at the end? probably right in front of me, but I don't see it.
>> Is it the A&E and the OPM? >> I'm sorry. The contingency for the overall project or for this particular phase or >> Well, for the for the project that we have in front of us here, the 2. >> Oh, there there was contingency built
into the engineers estimate. Um, but there is no contingency built into this particular bid. >> Okay. And who who was the estimator that estimated really badly on the well or certainly
off on the seawater system? Is that the engineer that does that or is that is that part of their group? The uh the engine the estimate was produced by um TAG engineering and it was based upon um quotes that they had received from a
seawater uh vendor and um the floats and the pier. I've this is certainly related to this. I've had a number of calls from uh mainly the
commercial folks, but I'm sure the recreational will be soon to follow on the placement of the concrete float. It seems to have well, it seems to have moved to the east maybe, I don't know, 10 feet or so. um from I'm harking back
to my old days uh from the some original plans had that flow much closer to much further to the west and it's you know it's making getting a commercial boat in there much more challenging um you know they're single screw there's no bow thrusters you know
it's it's it is what it is so um h how did that float get moved to the east do we do you re >> I'd have to go back this This was prec. So, uh, I'd have to go back and check my notes on that. U, but I believe that the
intent was to try to make appropriate nav navigational ability between the upweller building itself and the extension pier in that float. But I can go back and check and see what >> my recollection is the concerns came
from the marina as opposed to the distance between the upweller building and that activity and the commercial pier. Maybe it was both um um perhaps but that is uh reportedly you know going to create
some challenges. Um I don't know how to address it now. Um, but >> yeah, we're we're happy to, you know, provide a memo or bring that back to you. I believe my recollection it had something to do with the property line that they couldn't get that close. But
let let us >> we had the that would be good because that concrete float was further to the west. I'm going to say, >> you know, I was going to take a tape today, but I ran out of time. 10 or 12 feet. And that's a big deal. you know, it's if if you're 12 feet, you know, 14,
you you're getting to the beam of these boats and uh if now if you look to the west and the end of our bulkhead, there's a lot of wasted space there. Um I think the concerns came from the marina when I was on board, that's where the concerns came
from. My discussions were those are 20ft boats that have to get in and out of there. You know, people need to be able to they should be able to make that work. Um, and there was plenty of room. So, uh, I think that, um, you know, I'd like the
I'd like some more vetting on that as to what happened and what maybe what maybe our options are, but you know, there may be nothing palatable um, financially. >> We'll certainly go back and look through the records. It the final decisions in that had have been made four years ago
anyway. So, >> yeah, >> if not longer. >> Yeah. Um, I remember it coming up and arguing then against moving that thing to the east and somehow it got moved to the east. Um, and um, you know, I don't I could go ask
Ted, I guess. Um, but, uh, I'll I'll try to vet that out a little further, but I can tell you that it's, you know, it's not the Mariners aren't loving it. >> We can hunt that down and get back. >> Yeah. Great. Thank you. Any other comments or questions for Rick and or
Greg? We do have a suggested motion in front of us. Is anybody willing to move it? >> There's a motion to approve the uh authorize the town manager to execute a contract with RP for the building, not for the upwell. Nothing to do with the sea water. >> Right. What would um to get to some of
the public comments? What uh what happens if we don't approve this? You go back out to bid. Do you >> If you do not approve it, um we would have to come up with a plan if we're going to go back out to bid. Um we would
most certainly want to um in instig instigate some uh initiate some uh value engineering make some design changes um and we would reject the bid from Robert Bower
and um you know take the risk that the bids come in higher the next time around. Um you know it's it's you you right there's nothing more we can't negotiate it with them. So, the only thing we can do is
reject it um and to go out for rebid. >> And that of course would delay obviously the project. Um and what would it jeopardize any of our funding? Um I I you know I I get the food security
funding, but I hate being rushed into you know because we might lose some funding. It seems to me that there's some negotiating ability there. >> Yeah. the the 214,000ish from food security that's meant for fiscal year 26. I talked to them and
apparently it does not roll over. That doesn't mean that we would lose the rest of it, but we would lose that aspect of it. >> Um Mr. Chair, >> Mr. Matters, >> you know, with the 200,000 in jeopardy and um personally my confidence in
Robert Bau performing the job in a professional and complete manner. Um, we're kind of in a rock and a hard place a little bit, but I will um ask that the board authorize the town manager execute the contract with for the boat house renovation
um and bath house, the rubber v hour marine division LLC. I think it's kind of the better move to do. Uh I think, you know, I don't want to jeopardize that 200 something thousand significant money. Uh and hopefully we can work some other things in the meantime to um bring
these numbers a little bit better down >> and a second. >> Second. >> Okay, let's call the role. Mr. Smith, >> I. >> Miss Potach. >> Hi. >> Mr. Meadows. >> Hi. >> And the chair says I as well. Thank you guys on uh >> you know you've got we've got work to
do. >> We'll be back. >> Yep. No. Yep. Good. All right. Thank you. >> Would you like to see a presentation on the seawater? >> No. I I want to make sure our our waterways committees, Shellfish, Renee, the department, you know, is on board with the plan understands its cost and
understands what they're trying to we we I understand what they're trying to accomplish. I also understand that, you know, we we've gotten by on a on a great sho string in the building and the upweller equipment that we have in the current building. I get it. It's going to cost us more money, but clearly 27, as you guys rejected, is out of out of
hand. And maybe one and a half's out of hand, too. So, yes, we would like to see it, but I think we we've got a lot of work to do. And I think, you know, the the all the the waterways folks have got work to do as well to make sure they're getting what they want at a at a cost that we can we can swallow. >> And and and you know, it may be that we
can't afford what they want. You know, uh I'm I'm kind of recalling your comment on the hangers. It's, you know, going back to the fish pier deck. You know, I think that those hangers were $100,000 um because they're stainless steel. I get it. We probably want that there. We probably should have that, not
want it. anything else is going to corrode. Um but the present upweller didn't cost $100,000, you know, and um he he's a person you may want to speak with, by the way.
Okay. Thank you guys. Appreciate it. Uh our consideration of town licenses for banners, we're going to postpone that discussion. We've got some work to do behind the scenes amongst ourselves and staff and interested parties. So, that's going to be postponed. And then our next item on the business is to uh
>> Mr. Mr. Chairman, if I might. >> Yes. Yes, sir. >> On that um sorry to interrupt, but on that I know we're going to >> we're going to discuss it. >> We're going to do do it in the future, but uh before the 4th of July or is this >> Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Okay. >> Early next week or whatever. >> I got you. Okay. Thank you. >> Y uh our next item. Thank you, Stuart. Next item is recommendations of the zoning zoning board of appeals to elevate an associate member to full member. And uh to take that away uh Jill
and or Kathy, we have uh I just want to say one thing. Um Dean was on record of saying don't make any appointments to regulatory boards in his absence. I did clear this with Dean in a conversation. I want you guys to know that um he's was very comfortable with with Lee's appointment
um from an associate to a full member. So, I just answer that. I I check with everybody. So, anyway. Okay. So, uh I'll entertain a motion to move Lee Huby to a full member of the zoning board of appeals until June 30th, 2028. >> So, moved. >> I'll second that.
>> Okay. Actually, I I apologize. That's actually not a We need to say I move to appoint Lee Hubby as a full member of the zoning board of appeals until June 30th, 2028 unless sooner revoked or a successor is appointed. >> Can I one quick question, >> please? >> So, she doesn't have to come in for an interview then? She does not.
>> No. Very good. Okay. Thank you. >> Okay. >> So, yes. >> Okay. And I I checked the stew it on that. Okay. >> Right. >> And I second that. >> Okay. You'll second. Okay. Good. Take a roll. Mr. Smith. >> Hi. >> Miss Potach. >> Hi. >> Mr. Meadows. Hi. >> And Mr. Dykin says I as well. >> And our last item before we go to
executive session is the town manager's monthly report. Jill, take it away, please. >> Thank you, Mr. Chair. uh you have the monthly report before you and it's also been posted to the agenda packet that for tonight. Uh so some current items
pretty recent uh just no need for annual town meeting the scorecard is available unofficially uh but on the town's website and also the link for people to watch the meeting in its entirety and again that was on May 11th. Uh the next
item was a recent ribbon cutting we had which is very exciting at our new water treatment facility for wells five and eight. As you see pictured here, our chair cut the ribbon and as he noted in his comments, this will be the first summer with all of our wells online. So that'll be really interesting uh to get
the report at the conclusion this summer to see how we did with the generation of the water supply. Um, as the chair also just mentioned, we had a fantastic Memorial Day remembrance ceremony and uh wanted to thank also the public ceremonies committee for their work um
and everyone who attended including the board. Introduced last week were two new firefighters. We had Shauna Mcinery and Connor Nicholson who you saw. And our one of our newest additions to uh 549
Main Street is principal clerk Renee Marino uh who's a veteran and we're very exciting excited to have her uh including her past career experience to help out the town clerk's office. Also we have in our report are the recruitments and job postings of
positions that are available. And then as you'll see throughout the report, we have project updates and um you'll see a lot of photos, a new dashboard from the Department of Natural Resources that combines um some data
from each of the divisions. You'll see speed survey results under the PD uh and other items that hopefully are of interest and certainly we can come back with any questions that you may have. Um, we also see that there's a really
great um, awareness of our social media posts, including the main sheet. U, we're getting new subscribers and and the opening of it is a rate that's really to be commended at uh, 67%. Um, so again, it's it's a great
document. We're always interested in in any suggestions you have to improve it and make it easier to read. And I'm happy to answer any questions. >> Yeah. Any questions for Jill? I have just a couple comments. It it reminds me when I go through it of of future agenda items and what what we've considered in
the past and where we are and stuff. So, um it mentions the LDA for stepping stones. I just you don't have to I'm not asking for I know it's going to come back to us. I'm just wondering how we're doing on it. The RFP for 127 Old Harbor. I just wonder how we're doing on it. That's all you might you might comment. Um I know they're going to come back to
us and pro hopefully in the near term. And then we have an update on our town landings. there's work being done there behind the scenes that you we're going to get some updates there. Um a recycling report. I thought that that reminded me when I went through the the transport station data. Um and then the
need for a long-term facility maintenance plan which is on your these are all on your your your to-dos, but I just you know I'm reminded when I go through here, you know, how much work we have ahead of us and >> some considerable ma kind of major agenda items. >> Yeah. And all those are in process being addressed. And you know what that and I
say this I say this a lot um but this is posted this is online and this is it's if you're interested in municipal affairs this is a an an excellent compendium of what it is we do and how we go about doing it is what what we do
and an excellent data data summary as well. So it's and I'll tell you right now an awful lot of work goes into preparing this. I can from not only Jill's staff but the entire staff organizes stuff all the time and gets reports. It takes a lot of time. So anyway, I think you do a great job. Any
questions for Jill and um it's an exhaustive report. Uh Mr. Med, >> no questions, but this is a very important tool for this for for us in the community. So I I appreciate this greatly. >> Yeah. Good. Yeah, me too. Mr. Smith, >> thank you. Um, I just had a couple of
on the future agenda items page five. Yep. >> Uh, it says 90 Bridge Street recommendations on use by spring of 2027. I guess they're trying to get something on regulatory for before it opens was my assume assumption.
Shellfish Advisory Committee. um when that takes place, we're going to, I assume, hear from waterways and the working waterfront group >> because it is a multi-use facility. It's not simply just for one group. Yeah. >> Um, and
the other thing I I was reading the transfer station report and it it it reminded me that um I had asked maybe three months ago or so when we were talking about the fees um that we get an opinion from uh town
council on uh uh having different fees for in in uh community businesses that operate from here and outside of the community and um you know I opine that we do it elsewhere. It seems to me that since we own the transfer station that
we can do it here. Um but it would be I think that would be helpful because kind of a followup on our earlier discussion about the fees to give some uh uh benefit for those people who are actually doing business here in our community.
>> Okay. Okay. And I asked for a recycling real real kind of a deeper dive on the recycling that you know >> a monetary you know where are we monet you know moneywise on recycling and it's eye opening. >> Yeah. >> Miss Potass anything?
>> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Cory any other comments? >> Okay. I'm going to ask the clerk actually uh thank you Jill. Excellent report. I'm going to ask the clerk to please read the uh motion to go into executive session if you would. Uh Miss >> Potach. That's okay. I got it right
here. >> Thank you. >> Yes. So, um, executive session mass general laws chapter 30A section 212 to conduct strategy sessions in preparation for negotiations with non-union personnel. Um, in parenthesis
police chief um, if the chair declares that an open meeting may have a detrimental effect on the bargaining position of the body with no return to open session. >> Second. >> Thank you very much. And we'll take a roll call here. Mr. Smith >> I. >> Miss Potach. >> I. >> Mr. Meadows. >> Hi.
>> And the chair says I. And we are going to go into executive session with no return to an open session. And thank you very much, Chadam. Good night.