Heat. Heat. N. Good afternoon and welcome to the March 31st, 2026 meeting of the Town of Cadam Select Board. Please note this meeting is being recorded and will be available shortly hereafter for scheduled and on demand viewing on any smartphone or tablet device. If anyone else is
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able to provide real-time access. We will post a record of this meeting on the town's website as soon as possible. First item of business is to establish a quorum. Mr. Miss Davis, >> present. >> Uh Mr. Dykens, >> present. >> Mr. Meadows,
>> present. >> Mr. Smith, >> present. >> Chair is present. Shireen is joining us. remotely. Um we have um no sets of minutes to approve tonight. Uh we'll proceed directly to public announcements and agenda item
requests. I have a couple. I want to first acknowledge uh and note the passing of Betty Hayner. She passed she Betty served as a permit clerk at the permit department from 2002 2014 and as an elections worker from 2018
through the last election in 2025. She was the grand marshal for the 2025 Independence Day parade and she was very active at the library as well as uh being the um spouse of Jeff Hayner who was on the waterways committee I believe
or is he is there do I have the right committee >> was on that committee >> thank you Shireen shellfish advisory I'm sorry got that wrong so um we u extend our condolences to Jeff and and the
family and friends. Um, an announcement that 4,000 oversized oysters were distributed at the Harbor Masters Flat and at the causeway ready for harvesting. We want to thank the Shadam Chadam Shellfish Company for
donating 2,000 oysters. Shellfishing P permits are available at the sticker and permit office. Um I also wanted to explain that uh we have a very short agenda. That was not the intention and I actually considered
cancelling the meeting. Uh but um we had planned to do paid parking tonight. Uh but there were some complications with respect to scheduling and availability of personnel uh including a principle of butter and um we thought that um we
would put this off till the 14th of April. um in order to give ample notice to um uers um and um merchants and the public. Are we off? There we go again. Every time we
have a meeting now. >> We're off. >> We're off. We're offline. >> We're offline, Frank. >> We're off. >> We're offline. >> Yeah. Okay. >> It's happened the last three meetings now. >> Every meeting
went it goes >> flowy. It's my u allergies. >> We know it's spring. >> Yeah, it really looks like it out there. It feels like it out there. >> Today is not so bad. Today's better. >> Too much wind. Well,
>> the first stop east wind there. >> Yeah, that's true. You don't see that much in >> You don't used to be all the time >> when I was a kid. I used to >> come back. It was fine. Got to wear it. >> Is down east farther than us?
Almost. Seems okay. He gives Thank you. We're back on. I I will um continue with the public announcements. I I had uh one left to do and that was to explain why the agenda is so short.
We had anticipated having a discussion and possible vote on paid parking. There is a proposal that is coming forward from the staff um for a pilot program this summer at the Oreium parking lot. Um that will be
presented on April 14th. We couldn't put it on tonight because of scheduling complications. And also um we want to give ample notice to a butters merchants and the public um
uh so that they might be able to participate in that conversation. Um I considered cancelling the meeting because of the short agenda but there is an item on it concerning the airport and the balloon launch that pro project that
is timesensitive so we kept it on. Um and um I think that continues. Oh, I I wanted lastly I had a citizen uh request for uh advancing discussion of an agenda item uh
concerning um notifications from the town manager um to the town. that is actually not on the current list, but there is an item that select board member and our clerk Steuart Smith had requested for communication of
notifications from the town manager to the select board. We will put that on the agenda and expand it to cover notifications to the town generally. I think I've got that right, Stuart. >> Yes. >> Okay. Thank you. Uh any other items from
the boards? Jeff? Yeah, I just have a a comment on the uh um seminar held yesterday at the community center uh from 4 to 6 on our salt marshes in coastal Brazilians here in Chadam. It was extremely well done. Carol Ridley
led the charge uh friends of Pleasant Bay. It was attended by folks from all over the Cape, not just Cadam but Orleans, East Ham, Barnstable. Uh it was really just a superb seminar and a great educational opportunity for um all of us. Um it's fascinating and it's
fascinating the impact on um sea level rise it's going to have over time to Pleasant Bay and other areas. Um there's been exhaustive studies done on the south side and um there's studies similar studies are going to be done in Pleasant Bay now on the effect of sea level rise. So and with projections etc.
So I just want to put a kudos in and a thanks to the folks that organized that. Our own Jerry Style spoke eloquently and uh folks from Chadam asked questions as did folks from all over the Cape. It was really really well done. It was taped. I don't know I don't know exactly where
you can find it, but uh we'll let you know where you can find it, but it was really really it was superb. Um I just wanted to have a shout out. >> Thank you. Any others from the board? >> Any from the public? Mr. Msina. >> Hi. Thank you very much. Frank Msina,
South Chadam. Uh I started living in or coming to Chattam in the 70s and moved here pretty much full-time around 1999 and uh at that time I had a mooring stage harbor lightning struck and um and
I right near the Coast Guard boat house. It was around that time that I kept looking at it and and admiring it and then they took out the railway and then Mr. Smith, Stewart Smith, who was harbor master. Then, you know, we convened a small group of people. It was Stewart,
myself, Don Aman, uh, Dave Dy, and I think it was Dick Ryder who was a coast guidance sign trying to find a place to put it. I don't know how many years we spent never finding a place. We won't talk about that. And, you know, the rest with Dave Derty who had the the gumption
to hold on to it, the title of it, move it back and forth. And of course, it's come back in Chadam finally. you know, personally want to thank, you know, Stuart and the town of Chadam, you know, for doing that. I think it was a great thing. We all know the great coverage that we've gotten on it. But as I stood there the other day watching it being
put in, I was thinking of Dr. Duncinson and I had worked pretty closely with Dr. Bob when uh they were going to agreed to put it as a boat house and because put my historical commission hat on we wanted to make sure that they didn't
make changes which would eliminate it eliminate it for my historical commission to list get it listed on the national register there's a lot to do uh and he did and I mean thinking about that with the passing of Dr. Bob, I don't think there's one person in Chadam
who's done more for water quality, the the the propagation, and maybe there are a lot of people involved in propagation, but my reason for my being here is to ask the select board, and I know it's not going to be it's not until next year that it's going to be formally
dedicated, but to think about that, you know, that Dr. Duncin would be an appropriate way to honor him uh for his service and you know 20 or 30 years I don't know how many years he was in Chadam. Um and just for you guys to think about that when you get around to
uh to formalizing the dedication of the of the Coast Guard boat house. Frank, may I suggest that the historic commission, just as you did with the Revolutionary War monument, maybe can take this up and come come to us with a recommendation as to how you might want to see the town or honor him.
>> Very good. I would do that. Well, you know, we are with the assistance of uh Miss Donovan and director of community development, we are preparing in the beginning to prepare the documentation necessary for submission to national register. I know it's separate, but yeah, we could do that and have a
meeting tomorrow. We'll we could discuss it and um then come back with a formal request. Thank you very much. >> Yes, Jeff. I think that's a great suggestion and and at at the ribbon cutting you and I talked about when the boat house was being placed having the 36500 somewhere either in the water or
drive by or really so I don't know who's going to reach out to Orleans which gs me which is wonderful that they saved it but I can't believe it's in Orleans but anyway I would love to see the 36500 there the day we we dedicate the the boat house would be really >> oh myself Dave Dy and Jack Fowl we have
reached out I love that term sounds like a cop reached out to the uh to the chat to the Orleans Historical Society and they were reluctant at first because the frag their boat is fragile but right now we do have an understanding to truck it
back to Cadam next I think it's whenever it's going to be March or April when is the formal dedication that Dr. that Dr. Burman said is the timing of it and you know we're not going to we're not going to take it out for 50 miles but you know put it in the water and it's not going to sink but have that there for the
dedication as well as the coast guard and other things and formally you know to uh honor the uh the return of the boat house. >> Awesome. Awesome. Great >> Mr. Chairman. >> Yes. Yes. Katie and then Stuart. >> Thank you. I just um wanted to note that director of natural resources and myself
um so Greg Burman and myself had actually had a conversation recently with the town manager about doing something to honor Dr. Bob um at that site and so would be happy to work with Frank uh Greg and I would be happy to work with Frank on something if the >> Yeah, I think it would be great if there permanent marker there.
>> Um Stuart, did you want to say something? I thought >> Yeah. I mean, the other name that's been banded around the maritime community is uh Bernie Weber. >> Yes. >> Uh and Bernie. Yes. >> Um >> Yeah. >> My sense is Bob would understand that.
Um >> exactly. >> You know, I think I >> you know, I thought about that. I mean, there was Bernie from the Coast Guard, but I'm thinking about the Upweller, and you know, it's a mix. Yeah. >> Yeah. the um you know we all respected uh Dr. Bob and
I I too was kind of thinking you know you know he spent a lot of time here um and he was pretty impactful more towards as you point out water quality and the um the wastewater treatment plant which
is where his uh uh laboratory is. Uh uh and that may be some it's it's not dedicated um but may be more fitting um for for Bob because you know he started
I started in ' 85 so he started in ' 87 um and uh that was really his his his beginnings here and his life throughout um in in in my opinion more than the uh boat house although he had a lot to do
with the boat house. A lot of people did. No question about that. >> Wouldn't have happened without Dr. Bob. I mean, >> yeah. Yeah. Right. Um, so >> he was the one who said yes. >> Yeah. The first one to say yes. Anyway, >> so um anyway, so foods for food for thought, >> right? That's kind of why I just wanted
to bring it up. Yeah. And then and then Shireen. So just just to put on the table, I've had meetings or conversations with the town manager specifically about that. You know, the the wastewater treatment, you know, facility is something that was, you
know, Dr. Duncin was vital. You know, it was literally in his blood. Um he was a man who uh didn't want any spotlight. So it's it's it's a building that represents his his actions, but is kind of set aside a little bit. But um in
either case, I hope we do see some location that we can dedicate to Dr. Duncin. He spent many years here. He was part of the fabric of this community. He did a tremendous amount. So wherever it lands, we need to land somewhere. Um but I think we got two good names out there
and we can have a discussion. Um but at the end of the day, Dr. Duncin should get his recognition um for his vast years of of blood, sweat, and tears to this community. and Shireen. Thank you. >> Uh yeah, I'm I'm just going to throw something else into the mix here and and
all due respect to Dr. Duncinson and and Bernie uh Weber. Um Cassie Abrew brought the propagation program to Chadam and she was the first uh woman shellfish constable. So I think that it would be fitting uh that the upweller be named
after her. So, we have a lot to discuss, it seems, and um I look forward to it. >> Okay. Well, I I let the discussion go along a little bit even though we're in the public announcement section. With some point, we'll have a formal formal agenda item. >> Yeah, that's kind of where where I was
creeping on. >> When we get a recommendation, I personally would like to see um especially because of his untimely death um some freestanding uh memorial to Dr. Duncin around town. he was the person of reasonable of
regional um impact and I think that's important. So thank you Frank for bringing this to our attention. We look forward to receiving a recommendation from you from your commission. Uh any other public announcements or agenda item requests? I don't see any. So
>> there is one. I'm sorry. Yes, please. >> Jared. >> Hi gang. Jared Fulture. Um I guess I'll just trail off of Mr. from Msina. Um this might be a redundant um offer to you, but um first of all, the boat house looks great. I'm glad to see it back in
Stage Harbor. Um I do have a full set of measured drawings of the boat house at home. So if the town would like to borrow them at any point during the restoration, excuse me, uh you're welcome to. Um and I know that you're not directly overseeing it, but
whoever's in charge of the restoration, they're welcome to to use them. They're from 1936 and they'll answer any structural questions about the boat house. >> Thank you very much. I see Greg Burman is on so he's kind of overseeing the from the staff point of view.
>> Well, the the offer is there. So, I'm sure we'll want to I'm sure we'll want a copy. That's great. Thank you, Jerry. >> Thank you for taking the time and offering that. Okay. One last time for public announcements. Okay. Seeing none, there is no um public hearing tonight
and no consent agenda. Public comments on the business agenda if anyone wants to make them now. We have two items on the business agenda. I don't see any. So, first item will proceed. Uh, consider use of town property in a special one-day
entertainment license. Cape Cod Chamber orchestra at Cape Gold Park on July 13, 2026. Who is presenting that? >> Yes. >> Hello. Hello everyone. >> Yes. Please identify yourself and and speak.
>> Yes. My name is Timothy Peek. I am a the principal chist and um artistic director of the series that will be performing on July 13th at the band stand. >> Um we this will be an open uh like
familyfriendly concert uh totally free, no food, no alcohol. uh start time around roughly 5:30 to 6 p.m. about an hourong program of American themed music from my chamber orchestra. Uh but it
will be a little condensed version so that we have uh a good amount of um so it'll probably be about four to five musicians on in the gazebo. >> Great. Well, thank you for offering to present this. Uh any questions from the
board? Just a comment. It looks phenomenal and really appreciate uh appreciate your effort and I'm putting into my my planner right now. Can't wait. >> Wonderful. >> Corey. >> Wonderful. >> No, I mean they were before the park and wreck last week. Um reviewed everything.
Everything looks great. So, if I will, if I can, I will move to grant a special one-day entertainment license to Sherry Bush of the Cape Cod Chamber of Orchestra for an outdoor concert featuring live amplified music at Cape Ghoul Park on July 13, 2026 from 6:00 to
7:15 p.m. >> Second. >> Moved and seconded. Any discussion? Hearing none, call the role. Miss Davis, >> I. >> Mr. Dykins, hi. >> Mr. Meadows, hi. >> Mr. Smith, >> I. >> Chair votes I. Uh, it is granted. We look forward to this. Thank you.
>> Thank you so much. Take care. >> Thank you. Next is an update on the upper air station discussion, urban sky weather balloon launch agreement support. I'm going to ask um a chair of the airport commission, Huntley Harrison, to make a presentation on
this. I know we have Terry Whan in the audience as well. And I think we're being asked to take some vote tonight and to endorse this or >> Yeah, an endorsement would be very helpful. Go ahead. It's all yours. >> The uh Thank you and thank you for not
postponing the meeting uh because as you mentioned, this is kind of timesensitive for the uh people we're working with on this project. Uh, as you know from some of the information you received in your packet, uh, we were very close last year
to signing a lease with Noah and the National Weather Service for them to put up a weather station in the former fisherman storage area at the airport. uh we felt this was uh
going to be a benefit not only to the National Weather Service but also to the town to have that resurrected here uh in Chadam since it uh had to be closed due to the erosion in Morris Island. Uh Stephen Daniel and I have been working
together on this and it was fortuitous uh that we were working together because he was working on it on his own uh at one point back in 19 at in 2022 and I was doing the same thing from the airport commission's point of view. Uh
so we collaborated on this and uh put together a package uh that we in introduced to you all initially way back in 2022 2023 I can't remember exactly when but uh we did at that point uh in time get the support of the board to
pursue it. Uh unfortunately, as you know, last year because of the change of administration in Washington, uh Noah and the National Weather Service got cut back on funding. Uh which is why uh we
were not able to sign a lease with them at that time. Uh but again fortuitously uh Tim Howard at the airport was contacted by a gentleman at Urban Sky a
fellow named Mark Bowers socks. It's a company out of Denver who it's a private company that launches balloons for a variety of efforts not only weather but scientific and military and whatever. uh and contacted Tim and asked him about
having the uh possibility of launching balloons at Chadam and uh knowing he knew already that we had been pursuing this uh through documentation and public records and what have you. Um
so immediately Tim got in touch with me and I said yes let's pursue this because we think this is certainly a a a very opportune time to do this to have something at the airport. I think it's
uh extraordinarily helpful to the National Weather Service because of where we're located on the Cape. The next balloon launch station is if it's still open, is up in in Maine. And I think the other one is uh further south.
I don't know if it's New Jersey or even as far down as Virginia, but to have a station here because of our specific location uh would be very beneficial to them as far as data gathering. So what Urban Sky does is they send the balloon
up and they use the same schedule that the National Weather Service does. So it's twice a day, maybe more often during storms, but they send balloons up, gather the data, download it from the radio son, which is attached to the balloon, and
that gets sent to an aggregator. This aggregator collects data for the National Weather Service. And so it gets sent off to the aggregator and then published uh by for weather maps and what have you whether it's ACUE weather or the National Weather S wherever these
people get their data from. Uh I think this aggregator is one of maybe one or two in the nation that does this. So what we've we've pursued this and what we're asking for uh is just your
support for us to continue with this. I know that the uh people at Urban Sky are waiting uh to get the information that you all have approved this and I can send off the uh lease agreement to them
uh so they can sign it and then get it back to us and we'll sign it and then we'll be able to you know he'll be able to mobilize and uh continue with the project. So, Huntley, uh, Urban Sky is working, the contract is with Urban Sky
and and the airport commission, but they they have a um another party that they're working with to actually >> Yes. >> conduct the u operations. Is that how that works? >> The you mean the actual conduct of the operation?
>> Synoptic Data Corporation. >> Oh, that's that's the aggregator. >> Okay. Okay. And this is not going to cost the town of Chadam anything. Actually, they're paying >> they're paying us >> monthly monthly rent up front of $1,000. >> Yeah. Now, that that the $1,500 that I
put in in the 45day limit on this >> was just to get them started. And then during that time period, we'll revamp if you if the the uh lease is fine, which I think it is now.
It's just going to be a matter of going in and changing the lease so that it is for one year from April 1st to March 31st of next year at $1,000 a month. >> When are you going to come in with that?
>> I'm as soon as as soon as you all >> I wanted a kind of a stop gap me measure. >> Okay. So, you'd be coming in with another another document. another document which I think will be practically identical to the one that you're looking at except for a date change. So, one of the advantages that
is written up in the staff memo or your your letter actually with Stephen is that um in in addition to the immediate benefit to the weather service, it having this program in place might help position
Chadam for a permanent uh facility. I use that term broadly. um uh in the event Noah uh gets the funding again to have another station. Okay.
>> Yeah, I would I would definitely pursue that at down the road. >> Yeah. >> U as soon as I get a feeling for what's happening in Washington. >> Yeah. >> Well, I could make a comment on that, but I >> I know >> I'm gonna
No one can predict anything these days. Um, so Stephen, I wanted to invite it. You have your hand up. You were a co-signer on this, so if you wanted to make some comments. >> Yeah. Yeah. And Huntley, I think, is accurately characterized um everything. Shireen will likely remember that I was
uh badgering members of the select board after 2001 when the station was closed about this and kind of uh I think Shireen ultimately initially connected me with Huntley uh upon uh which we decided to coordinate efforts to a
comment that uh Jeff earlier made. We have uh sadly in some respects had an opportunity to blow some of the big ones here in town. Uh we were fortunate enough to get the Coast Guard boat house back after uh refusing a uh an offer of buying it for a dollar. We lost the
36500. And it seemed that this undertaking uh with you know the history of Morris Island, the weather station, the former Coastg Guard boat house um up there um and perhaps more importantly
the data set uh was something that after 50 years of uh aggregation was too important to try to lose or to uh willingly lose. So uh hence the undertaking to try to make this happen. the document uh that you're uh looking
to being asked to endorse uh has been reviewed by town council. Uh comments have been very modest comments were incorporated uh as a result of that review and I think the anticipation is that the longerterm contract uh will as
Huntly suggests be if if not similar identical uh to what's being put forth here. But we we offered up this 45day approach just as a means of expediting the consideration. uh which we hope given that four of you had previously been supportive uh and
the fifth steward had not been uh given the opportunity to uh weigh in at the time since he wasn't on the board uh will find this to be an appropriate and acceptable undertaking and uh position Cadam well prospectively in the future for uh what's likely to be kind of an
asset light um presence. So >> okay >> with that uh we hope you'll look at uh look at it favorably. Thank you. Okay. It's a license land land use license agreement to be signed by the chair of the airport commission for the commission and requiring the approval of
the town manager. I saw just two um items in the document that they're they're very minor that I want to call to your attention. In paragraph one, in the fourth line,
um there is a reference to the l the description of the license premises as being identified in exhibit A. Well, if you look at the attachments, that exhibit is there, but it's called
exhibit B. So that needs to be the attachment itself needs to be um re renamed exhibit A. And then >> good catch. >> And then in paragraph 22 there is a um in the second paragraph
it's the the the term license purpose is used as though that had been defined previously. I couldn't find it any find it anywhere but I suspect if it would be um appropriately defined in paragraph
number three where the purpose is recited you do have uh the phrase authorized operations as being a defined term and I would suggest in that same >> in that same parenthesis you have
licensed purpose defined I didn't see it anywhere else. Maybe it is, but I couldn't find it. But with that, >> those are those are two good catches and we can I can easily correct those >> minor stuff. U Terry, did you have anything you wanted to add to the presentation? So, any questions from the board?
>> I just have a comment. I think it's great. I'm I I like the tenacity and the perseverance of following through. I think it'll be neat to have that weather station back. Um so long as the airport commission is satisfied with comfortable with it and you know, we can work around pilots. It's two two balloons a day. I
thought there was only one. So, I was it was it was just an interesting read and I think it could dovetail with our efforts on on other STEM activities in town. Who knows? I just opportunity. >> Anytime we broaden our horizon in manners like this, I'm very supportive and uh so go get them.
>> And one question that may be in the back of your mind, maybe not, was the the fee uh was based on an appraisal that we got when we were working with for the Noah lease. >> Okay. >> And so that's how I came up. I just kept the same fee instead of it going through another appraisal. And they're going to
have a smaller footprint than Noah was going to have anyway. And there are no issues. >> Well, Jeff, >> Jeff, you may remember that with respect to the the Casey initiative, the academ academic collaboration initiative that we had Noah listed as one of the
partners in in town >> uh with whom the town was collaborating on at the federal level. >> Right. Right. And you know, who knows? But I think it's great. Um go get them. And I think the I read the lease is great. I didn't catch the two things that Dean caught. I should have I should have caught the exhibit. Um but anyway,
um >> I caught it. >> The airport commission is comfortable. >> Oh yeah. >> Yeah. We had a 50- vote the other night to approve the lease and to move forward. >> And no issues with the FAA? >> No, we've had a meeting with them a long time ago. We'll renotify them about it.
The only thing we'll have to do is put a permanent notam notice to airman uh on the airport information site and that should cover it. >> Yeah. And and um I noticed that the the license document calls for
deference from by this program to the flight schedules. So there won't be won't be any safety issues. >> No. No. >> Uh Corey, did you want to say something? I got a question. Well, well, you're looking for basically um comments of support. It's basically this is not our
document. The airport commission signing it, the town manager signing it, the vendor signing it. >> Um and this is this is kind of a a bridge document until you get the one year >> the one year full. >> Yeah. So if this ever does come to a a
position where it's an actual structure, you know, if this is successful, which I think has a lot of benefit from data collection and everything and it becomes successful and we get a permanent structure there, >> have you guys had any thoughts or or discussions about what that's going to look like? Because and the reason I
asked that is the old weather station, people used to go down and watch the weather balloon go off. >> So it was a it was a attraction. Public would show up and everything. the location is really not conducive for um the public. It is tucked away at the old
fisherman storage area. Um so >> it may not be accessible from that perspective, but would there be any type of incorporation if successful that from somewhere else on the airport property that visitors could see it launched? I mean, I I don't
I don't know. I'm asking >> Well, if they want to be there at 7 o'clock in the morning, >> hey, you never know. You never know. and and and and stand over by the picnic area >> or by the by the fence line. I guess
they could see it off in the distance. >> I guess as things evolve, just kind of keep that conversation going. >> No, I I thought about that and I thought, well, maybe there might be a way to bring people in while the gates open and the launch operators there and some people could come in. >> I don't know.
>> Are you going to notify people when on your website, for example? Yes, we'll we'll put once we get this all settled, >> we'll put something not only the NOTAM for pilots and so on, but I'll on the airport commission website. >> I will put the schedule. >> So, I assume people can see it from
other parts of town. >> Yeah, I imagine. Yeah, they go up pretty fast, so you have to be watching. >> Yeah. >> Oh, we could we could see it almost nightly from our house when it was over on Morris Island. >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. >> And we're off the stage road. So, >> yeah. We used to watch from the trap
dock. >> Yes. >> Stuart. >> Sure. Um I >> Sorry, Shireen. Were you you were talking? I >> I was just noting the same thing from the trap dock. Yeah. >> Okay. Stuart. Um I I too think it's a good it's a good
thing. You know, we lost at the Morris Island which was disappointing. So um reestablishing it is I think will be a benefit and um subsequent agreement might you were thinking might bring in a thousand to the revolving fund of the airport. That's that's a positive thing.
>> That's a positive thing. Yeah. >> Um >> so doesn't this agreement brings a 45day agreement >> 1500 to start with and then subsequent months would be a thousand. >> Okay. Um the
I just want to point out it's it's really not costing us nothing. We spent $400,000 relocating the old fisherman storage area and building that facility. So >> um it's not completely free. The license Oh, one thing is in here it mentioned uh
three full-time uh jobs. That's a very good thing. Um, is that is that pretty much assured or is that was >> uh as far as I know I've been two former launch operators. Mike Ryder is one and
Tim Moriceet is the other one. Those are two that used to be. And Mark Bowers from Yurman Sky said he had another gentleman here in Chadam who was interested. >> Good. Now whether all three of them pan out or whether one just one or whatever
or if he can recruit others and train >> Yeah. >> train them you know I don't know but I would think to have a uh a stable of three would be adequate. >> Yeah adequate and it would be a benefit to the town if we can get absolutely >> some uh year round local employment
I think it's part-time but nonetheless >> be private contractors paid by Urban Sky. >> Yeah. And uh lastly the license um you know I the license the land use license agreement.
So by issuing a license this is not going to go to bid is >> I don't Katie I >> you know it's a private it's it's it's municipal property but it's uh I don't know maybe these are kind of people that don't there's not a lot of them. I don't really know.
>> There aren't a lot of them. >> Yeah. Um, >> it's not an interest in real estate. It's just a license. >> Is it subject to any kind of procurement? >> The I don't believe so. >> I don't believe so. >> I I think the license is a >> It won't be It won't sound right. A way
to avoid the bidding process. And >> no, Stuart, it was described to us in conversations that that the license agreement was the typical town of Cadam standard agreement to allow access to a parcel for a purpose. >> Yeah. without without giving a any kind
of interest in the real estate or anything. >> It's a way of avoiding giving an easement for example. >> Yeah. Well, I I relate it to um and it's probably discussion for down the road, >> but I relate it to other leases we have that are are not um what was explained
uh you know the fish pier companies. They don't they don't operate under a license. They operate by a bid. It goes out for a competitive bid. We set the requirements and then different companies bid on that privilege to use the property and pay us a whatever fee.
You can set the fee or you can base the bid on services. But um this has come up in other instances in town which I think might be worthy of a general explanation from town council uh as to when it's appropriate to use
licenses and when it's appropriate to bid. Um, you know, bidding might help you in that it might get you more return. I don't know. >> One comment on that. I had originally written when we got the agreement put together as a rental agreement.
>> The lawyer changed it to a license. >> The problem with problem with the rental agreement, and it's I think we're confusing. We're mixing up two two concepts. You can bid out for for a lease or rental. You can also bid out for a license. It may be that it isn't
subject to the bidding laws because of the um value of this with being only $1,500 and we should clarify that both with through staff and they can contact town council who who did review the document but probably that question wasn't asked.
Um I suspect the answer is going to be it's okay. But uh but essentially, you know, for example, we we've had the uh the utility companies um in recent times come and um look for an immediate uh
right to access property to do something and we give them a license temporarily and then they want a permanent easement. So we go to town meeting for that because we're conveying an interest in real estate. >> Yeah. But but but your point about whether this is subject to the procurement statutes, we should we
should get clarification on that. >> Right. Town council's reviewed it, so I'm assuming it's okay. That's fine. But my point really is much broader than airport. the when is it maybe appropriate is the wrong word but when is it useful to use a license compared
to my understanding of a license is exactly what you were referring to Dean and that is it got you uh it got you some temporary reprieve to get to a more formal procurement process >> I'm just looking for the best value for >> let's get some advice or explanation
from town council in writing and send that to the select board and if we want at some point we can discuss it publicly whatever >> yeah broader on other properties. Not it's not really focused on the airport. I like the proposal. >> Okay. >> As do I. And I think the point that the town council has reviewed it I think is
is good and I'm pretty comfortable. >> Stephen that review. >> Steve. >> Yeah. I just want to be for the avoidance of doubt. I just want to be clear that the subsequent review by town council is not going to delay the prospect of the
execution of or not even the ex the endorsement. No. of this because there has been some pressure uh from Bowers and Synoptic to determine if Chad was willing to engage in this. >> Yeah, I Stephen I I was talking more holistically about other
this one I this one I I started by saying I supported town council's reviewed it. I'm sure he thought of that but I think it comes up in other instances where we should >> have better information. Yeah, I think >> fully agree and I just wanted to, you know, for the avoidance of doubt, >> I think we we'll take an unqualified um
vote tonight and so this can go forward and we'll separately get an answer from town council on as Stuart has requested. So, uh I don't see any public comment on this. If we're done at the board, um
I'll ask for a motion to support um by for support by the select board of the land use license agreement between the town of Chattam Airport Commission and Urban Sky Incorporated as presented tonight. >> And I would second that motion.
>> Well, I'm going to ask for a motion. >> So moved. >> I'll second that. >> Moved and seconded. I'll I'll call for a vote. Miss Davis. >> I. >> Mr. Dikkins. >> Hi. >> Mr. Meadows. Hi. Mr. Smith >> I. >> And the chair votes I. So you have it. Thank you, Huntley.
>> Thank you very much. I'll let Markox know. He may even be on. I don't know. But anyway, I'll let him know this evening. >> Thank you. Thank you, Stephen. >> Thank Yeah. Thank you all very much for the support. >> Thank you, Terry. I'll entertain the final motion of the evening. >> A motion to adjurnn, Mr. Chairman.
>> Is there a second? Second. >> Moved and seconded. Call the role. Miss Davis. >> I. >> Mr. Dykins. Hi. Mr. Meadows. Hi. >> Mr. Smith. >> Hi. and the chair votes eye. We are adjourned at 6:16 p.m. Good night, Chadam.