[music] Heat. Heat. >> [music] [music] >> Good evening everyone and welcome to the Cadam Select Board meeting of June 30th, 2026. Let the record show the meeting started promptly at 5:39. I'll read what I'm supposed to read.
Pursuant to Governor Healey's March 28th, 2025 signing of chapter 2 of the acts of 2025, extending certain CO 19 measures adopted during the state of emergency suspending certain provisions of the open meeting law general law chapter 38 section 20 until June 30th,
2027. This meeting of the Chattam Select Board is being conducted in person and via remote participation. Every effort will be made to ensure that the public can access the proceedings as provided for in that order. A reminder that persons who would like to listen to this meeting while in progress may do so by
calling the phone number 1508-945-4410 conference ID 203386491 pound or join the meeting online via Microsoft Teams through the link in the posted agenda. While this is a live broadcast and simiocast on Chadam TV, that's Xfinity channel 1072. Despite our
best efforts, we may not be able to provide real time access and we will post a record of this meeting on the town's website as soon as is possible. First order of business is to establish a quorum of the select board this evening. I'll call the role. Mr. Smith, >> present. >> Mr. Niccastro.
>> M. Potach. >> Mr. Demeters present. >> And Mr. Dikkins is present as well. First item of business is our adoption of the minutes of June 16, 2026. I'll accept a motion. >> Motion to approve. >> Thank you so much. Second. >> Second.
>> And Mr. Niccaster, if you have your hand, but maybe for an editor or two. >> Yes, I'm back. So, >> Mr. Nas, can you just pause for a second? We're just waiting for the recording to catch up. >> Uh, no. Stephen Buckley had um it looked like an an artificial intelligence notetaker app and I don't know if he was
going to announce that or as as per the >> Mr. Buckley what are you up to Mr. Buckley? >> Yes. Well, I was bringing up a notetaker. Uh, the first 30 seconds of your announcement was muted for people
outside, so I didn't hear the part where you asked if anybody was recording. In >> fact, anyway, yes, I would like to record it. Thank you very much. >> Okay. Thank you, Mr. Buckley. Um, onward and upward. Uh, Mr. Niccastro, I believe you have an edit or two. >> Yes, I have two. On page nine,
um, fourth full paragraph that begins the reason for the difference. I think um the there's something wrong with the dates. This refers to 2033 seawater system and the 2006 that
probably should be 2023 and 2026 I'm guessing but you could check that Kathy and then on page uh 14 um in the very first line in the middle after the f phrase
executive session I would insert the word under executive session under Mass General loss. Those are my edits. >> Thank you, Mr. Niccastro. Any other edits? Okay, we have a couple edits. Move to approve.
>> Motion to approve, please. >> Motion with a second. >> Okay. All in favor? Mr. Smith? >> I. >> Mr. Niccastro. >> I. >> Miss Potes. >> Hi. >> Miss Meadows. >> Hi. >> And the chair says I as well. >> The next item in our agenda are public announcements and agenda item requests.
I do have one one announcement if you will or we want to not notice that Dr. Roslin Ros known as Roz Coleman passed away on June 14th 2026. She served on our finance committee from 2000 to 2018
and on the cable advisory committee from 2021 to 2024. Um, that being said, I worked closely with Roz when she was on the finance committee when we did the regional schools and she was very instrumental in supporting the regionalization of the schools and I know Mr. N Castro has
something to say as well. Mr. Castro, >> thank you, Mr. Chairman. Um, I had the privilege of serving with Ros on the finance committee. Uh when I first joined the committee, the issue before the committee was the um bond issue for the new school and Ros and I uh along
with John Whan bonded on that issue and um she was a wonderful colleague. I think she holds the record for the longest tenure on the finance committee in the town of Chadam. Um we became good friends. Um I admired her for in her
infectious spirit for community improvement um and her boundless energy. She was a bundle of ideas to enhance life for her fellow citizens and she was a unique force of nature and she will be greatly missed. Um our condolences to her family
and friends and um may she rest in peace. Thank you. >> I would like to have just a brief moment of silence please. Thank you. I believe Mr. Deur has an announcement. I have some written comments as well related to the Fourth of July parade, Mr. Deborra, but I believe you're going to preempt me and
well, you're certainly welcome to do that. Come forward. Um, Steve Dbor here on behalf of the parade committee. I just want to give a few updates of uh some information that people probably already know. Um, but I just want to u
reiterate them. Um, the parade this year is going to be led by um John Zippo, who if anybody knows him, he's uh 102 years old and the oldest surviving uh veteran that's uh still in the Chattam area. So,
he's going to be leading our parade as a grand marshal this year. Um the judges I just want to make note of um it are Jennifer Patterson who actually submitted the theme of the parade uh which is anchored in freedom timeless tides and traditions, Kim
Rodriguez who was the runner up for the grand marshals position and Thomas Chase who is the uh validictorian from the high school. Parade starts at 9:00 which is an update for this year instead of 9:30. The route's the same with line up along
Shore Road. The um the official start of the parade is at the corner of Main Street and Shore Road. It's going to continue along Main Street uh to Crawl Road. Um making a right on Crawl Road to Lake Street where the finish is. The
finish is going to be marked by uh two flags. Um, it's going to be important if any of the participants or participants are listening that they continue all the way to the end because we have a senior viewing area that's new this year that's
going to be set up at the DPW uh parking lot. So, um, I would like all the participants to go all the way to Lake Street and not finish early so that the seniors have uh an opportunity to see as much of the parade as everybody else.
Um, we have some volunteers this year which are relatively new to the to the process. We have 8 to 10 volunteers that are going to be deployed along the parade route and kind of help um try to
eliminate gaps in the parade uh and also to um to work on um spectator safety so that they don't get too close to the to the floats. Um we have approximately 89 floats this year which is up um by about
10 from last year. Um so it's going to be hopefully a very uh good parade and a very big parade. And then there's one other thing that I want to make an announcement. Um, I [clears throat] received a
presentation about a week ago which I accepted as um chair of the uh of the parade committee, but I think it relates to to many more people beyond the committee itself. um all the people um all the town employees and staff members
um the participants and and even as far as the the residents of the town um I was given the Cape Cod Life uh publications readers choice gold award uh as the winner of the best summer
event on the lower Cape for the Independence Day parade. >> [applause] >> So, like I said, I'm very proud. I I was given the award, but it's on behalf of of um I think just about everybody in
town for helping or participating or coming to to watch it. And I think we all have something to to be proud of. And there's a lot of people who deserve recognition other than than me. So, thank you very much. >> Yeah. Yeah. Congrats. Uh
>> Castro, Steve, I didn't catch who who the three judges were. Could you just >> Yeah. So the the first one is uh Jennifer Patterson who submitted the theme um Kim Rodriguez who was the runner up for um the grand marshall and
Thomas Chase who's the valadictorian. >> Okay. >> Well, that's exciting. Stephen, that's good news. >> He's going to Harvard. He's going to Harvard. >> Oh, is he valator? >> Congrats. Yeah. >> Okay. Um the next public announcement
Stuart, you had you had something you want to say I think or announcement or something. >> Sure. Thank you. Yes, >> Jeeoff. Um uh along with um I was notified that along with Roz Coleman um losing her uh Ros Coleman who was you
know I considered her a friend. She was uh she was really one of those fine fine ladies and um very very uh long and uh good life here in Chadam. But along with uh Ros Coleman uh Scott Tapen has passed
away. Um he's a longtime member of the uh waterways committee and I just wanted to uh make that note. >> Thank you Stuart. >> Thank you. >> Okay, Jill, you're up. So Jill's gonna >> and I'll have Deputy Chief Lumazone meet
me over at the podium. Thank you, Mr. Chair. It's a very exciting moment for all of us, and I'm excited to announce that I have appointed Deputy Chief Lou Mezone as Chadam's next police chief. Wonderful. >> Yay. [applause]
His [applause] appointment is effective at the end of day on July 22nd, 2006, 2026. And he will succeed Chief Mike Anderson who's also retiring on July 22nd.
Wanted to provide a bio just as an introduction to the community for Lou. Deputy Chief Malone has served as a member of the Chattam Police Department since 2006, advancing the ranks from patrol officer and detective sergeant in 2020 2019 uh
before his most recent promotion in 2022 as deputy chief. During his tenure, Mr. Mone has had numerous assignments within the police department, including firearms instructor, court prosecutor, internal affairs, post compliance,
incident commander, citizens police academy instructor, and youth police academy instructor. He has served as staff liaison to the traffic safety committee and has represented the town and the police department as a member of the Cape Cod Regional
Detectives Group, Cape Cod Drunk Drug Task Force and the Cape Cod Regional Law Enforcement Council SWAT team. Deputy Chief Melzone was a 206 2006 graduate of the Massachusetts Police Training
Committee Academy MPTC. Received his bachelor's degree in administration of justice from Salve Regina University in 1998 and his master's degree in criminal justice from Curry College in 2012. Deputy Chief Melzone hones many
specialized certifications and training credentials, including SWAT team leaner development, hostage rescue and high-risk warrant operations, public safety media relations, community crisis intervention, and FBI statement
analysis. He is a graduate of the senior management institute for police in 2024 and is a member of the police executive research forum and FBI law enforcement executive development association. He wrote this for me, by the way.
[laughter] Over the past two decades, Deputy Chief Mone has earned the respect of his colleagues and the community through his professionalism, integrity, and commitment to public service. I am confident Lou is wellprepared to lead
the Chattam Police Department and to continue its tradition of excellence while building on the strong foundation established by Chief Mike Anderson and police chiefs before him. Please join me in congratulating Deputy Chief Lou Mazone on his appointment as Cadab's
next police chief and in thanking Chief Mike Anderson for his many years of dedicated service and leadership to the town of Chadam. Okay. >> [applause] >> I I'll be more brief. Uh good evening, town manager Goldsmith. Good evening,
members of the board. Good evening, members of the community that are here in person and participating remotely. Uh I've stood here several times before tonight. I'm really honored to stand here as your next chief of police. Uh I'd like to thank the town manager for the appointment, uh for the thoughtful
discussions we've had throughout this process. I'd like to thank the board for their support and of course their continued support of the police department. Uh it it feels like just yesterday was 2006 and I was the new officer in town and now it's 2026 and
I've been selected to lead the department. A opportunity that I take very serious and I'm I'm truly grateful for. So thank you all. >> Thank you L. Congratulations. Thank you. [applause] Mr. Burman, do you have an announcement? >> Greg Burman, your director of natural resources. Uh, just wanted to take this
opportunity to share some more good news. >> Greg Berman, director of natural resources. Uh, just wanted to take the opportunity to share some more good news. Uh, this is that the new community fridge opened today here at the town
annex. uh located upstairs at 261 George Ryder Road. Uh this fridge is going to be available during regular town office annex business hours which is Monday to Thursday 7 to 4 and Friday 8 to noon. The project's a partnership between the
Cadam Health Division, the Department of Community Services, and Monoy Community Services. The goal is to help increase access to nutritious food and reduce food insecurity in our community. to get the program started. Just today, the family table collaborative donated
prepared meals in the fridge and will continue to do so on a weekly basis. Uh the fridge was purchased using public health shared services funding and it's part of a larger regional effort on the lower Brewster, Haritch, Orleans, and Eastam are also implementing similar
community fridge programs. So, we're grateful to everyone involved uh bringing this program forward and we hope it will be a resource for those in need. Greg, is this year round or >> Yes, it's the intention to be year round. Um, this is one where it might have been at the seafall, but since that
was okay moved, we have it here at the annex until uh we locate its final home, but for now, it is here upstairs at the annex. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Sure. >> Shauna, you have something? >> Yes. I just wanted to remind anyone who has not yet submitted comments on the
Cole Road intersection project to Mass DOT, those public comments and statements that are intended for inclusion in the public hearing transcript. Um, you have until Thursday, July 9th to do so, uh, that's a little bit longer than usual because of the
>> Fourth of July on Saturday. Um, so those can be submitted via email to krie lavalie mass doot projectmanagement dootstate.mma. us. And all of this information is on
our website under news and updates. Uh there's also a mailing address and the notice also includes links to the pre-recorded session and to the recording on Chattam TV's archive for the entire meeting for your review. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Excellent. Excellent. Thank you, Shauna. Any other public announcements or agenda
item requests in the room and or online or by the board? Okay. Hearing seeing none, we'll go on to our regular agenda. The next item in our agenda, a series of public hearings. Um the first is to consider an application for a change of manager on an annual all alcoholic
beverages restaurant license for Uncle Tony's LLC doing business as TK Sports Bar from Sophie Molita to Jake Domos. And I believe it looks like Mr. Riley is representing the party's concern here this evening. And I will have the clerk please read the formal >> hearing notice. Notice is hereby given
that the Chattam Select Board will hold a public hearing on Tuesday, June 30, 2026 at 5:30 p.m. in the large meeting room at the town annex 261 George Ryder Road in Chattam and remotely via Microsoft Teams platform to consider an application for a change of manager on
the annual all alcoh alcoholic beverages restaurant license for Uncle Tony's LLC doing business as TK Sports Bar from Sophia Malita to Jake Domos for the business located at 1077 Main Street Chattam
>> thank [snorts] you clerk potach take it away Mr. Riley. >> Uh, good afternoon, Bill Riley on behalf of TK Sports Bar with Jake Domos, who's proposed as the new manager. Uh, Jake has been a very successful
uh, server and bartender uh, first at the port in Harageport and in other establishments, and now he's been working with the Kennedys here at TK's. uh and he's very well versed in uh the
laws and regulations regarding the service of alcohol. I think he's a a good uh proposed person to be the manager and I hope he will accept his appointment. >> Okay. Uh anything to say, Mr. Domos? >> No, thank you very much. Thanks for
having me. >> I'll turn to the board. Any questions for the applicant? Okay. And seeing none, I'll take a motion. Oh, I'm sorry. It is a public hearing. Thank you, Mr. Niccastro. He does well to remind me. Mr. Phillips.
>> Thank you, Dean. >> Brian Phillips, 374 Orleans Road. I just like to say they do a great job down there. It's very affordable. Cheeseburgers are 13 bucks. Nachos are $11. They got beers for $4. Uh they have all the sports on, even NASCAR for people like me. Um so I just like to say
they do a great job. Thanks. >> Thank you, Mr. Phillips. Motion, please. Mr. Chair, I move >> an endorsement like that. >> Yeah, I move approval, Mr. Chair. >> Second. >> Thank you so much. We'll call the role. Mr. Smith, >> I. >> Mr. Niccastro. Miss Potass. Hi. >> Mr. Meadows.
>> Hi. >> And the [clears throat] chair says I as well. Have fun. Good luck. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you very much. >> Welcome. >> Thank you. >> The next item in our as in as a public hearing to consider an application from This is My Jam LLC doing business as Hey Joe and Jam for a seasonal all alcoholic
beverages restaurant license. Andrea Tui, manager for the business located at 16 Squansa. I don't Okay. Applicant has requested an additional extension and the board we may choose to either continue the hearing to a later date, you guys, and or um have the application
withdrawn. I don't believe she's going to be here. What's she's not here, Kathy? She wants to withdraw it. >> It's not that she wants to withdraw. Um there was an issue getting her notices out to her or Butters and she requested um either an extension, but the board, you know, has the right if they'd like
to ask for it to be withdrawn so that she can get everything kind of organized and then bring it back. >> Yes, >> Mr. Mayor. So clarification on the butter notification. >> Yes. >> If it's been delayed and the notices go
out, what is the information that's going to be provided? Is it is it going to reflect it. I [snorts] hate to say this, but is the notice going to be um outdated? >> It would be at this point. Yes. >> So, would it be a cleaner process to
start over? >> In my opinion, yes. Also, >> I hate doing this. >> Yeah. Um it would be my recommendation to start the process over so there's no confusion with the abutters. Um to readvertise, the readadvertisement is at
the applicant's expense. Um, and just to ensure that it's not a rolling um, postponement after postponement, I think it's it's better to start over and let the applicant know um, what the dates are that are coming up and what
would she would be available for, what she would be able to get the abutter's notices out to meet the requirements of the of the public hearing. Um, that would be my recommendation. >> So, Mr. the Castro. >> So would a motion to adjourn the public hearing be in order? Is that what you
order to close the public hearing? >> Yes. >> So m Mr. Chair, I move that we adjourn and close this public hearing. >> I'll second that, but I do have a question. >> Please go ahead, Miss Pot. >> Um is there a way she could have her u her uh wa a waiver for the application
for price of it >> or is that something she has to pay again? >> Uh it wouldn't be a new application to the ABCC. It would just be a new fee for the readvertisement. >> Okay. And that that falls on her. Okay. Thank you.
>> Okay. We have a motion in a second. >> Take the role. Mr. Smith. >> I. >> Mr. Niccastro. >> Hi. >> Miss Bodash. >> Hi. >> Mr. Meadows. >> Hi. >> And the chair says I as well. So, we'll see Dre again, I imagine. >> Okay. The the next public hearing is to consider an application for a new annual
entertainment license for outdoor live acoustic music for Mustard Seed LLC doing business as Codo Mexican Kitchen 859 Main Street. This has been this is a continuence as well and please read the public notice. Notice is hereby given that the Cadam Select Board will hold a
public hearing on Tuesday, June 16th, 2026 at 5:30 p.m. in the Lodge meeting room at the Town Hall Annex 261 George Ryder Road to consider an application for a new annual entertainment license for outdoor live acoustic music from Mustard Seed LLC doing business as Cotto
Mexican Kitchen 859 Main Street Cadam. >> Thank you, Miss Potes. I believe we have Vana Johnston. I believe >> actually it's it it's Joe Johnston, director of operations for the group uh representing Cotto. How are you? >> I'm good. Joe, how are you? Why don't
you give us an idea? >> Very well. >> Why don't you please give us an idea of what you're up to down at Cotto? >> We're just looking to, you know, give a a little afternoon type entertainment uh for the outdoor patio, which I think would be a nice draw for business, not just for ourselves, but for the
associated businesses around. Um, that's pretty much the long and short of it. >> So, we we've had a series of of public hearings uh considering music and acoustic music versus amplified music, etc. So, please describe the type of music you're you're attempting to have
here, please. >> Simply acoustic, no amplification whatsoever. >> Uh, guitars. Uh, >> yep. >> Yep. >> Okay. Questions from the board. Mr. Castro, >> I know this is going to sound puritanical, but I just don't think this
is the right location for for entertainment outdoors. If it were downtown, I I'd feel differently. Uh, obviously, if it were inside, I'd feel differently, but I don't think this is something I can support, but I'm I'll be interested to see if there's any public comment. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
>> Any other comments from the board, Mr. Meadows? just for any butter um um not butter like um the paperwork basically all the notifications are out we we're not delayed or anything like that so everyone know okay that's that's
good and then um just for clarification we got we got the type of music um hours of entertainment 3 p.m. to 8:00 p.m. Um, is that a hard ask? Is there any flexibility in that? A
>> lot of flexibility on that. >> Okay. >> Yeah. I mean, ideally we're looking for like a 3 to six window. >> Okay. Thank you. >> You're welcome. >> Okay. This is a public hearing. Mr. Lasser reminded me in the prior hearing. I will recognize this woman. I do not
know your name. I'm sorry to point, but please come to the podium and make your comments. Please identify yourself. >> My name [clears throat] is Alen Aldridge. I live at 42 Snow Lane which is um a budding to Cotto's. Uh I just want to find out more about it. Basically I I agree that it's kind of a
crazy location with the rescues going by and the traffic all backed up there at that terrible intersection. I it just I don't know how he's even going to be heard actually if it's just some guy playing a guitar, you know, casually
without any occasion. But and I want to know what time it's going to end as well. >> He just described 3 to 6. I'm not going to put words in his mouth, but he said he would, you know, prefer 3 to 6. >> He has 3 to 8 in his application.
>> The application says 3 p.m. to 8:00 p.m. I just asked for both flexibility and he said he's looking for I believe he the gentleman said at least between 3 and 6, but that's that's what that's what we're going to discuss tonight. So, we talking just one gentleman playing a guitar.
>> It's not like a band or >> That's what's been described. >> Miss Potach, >> it says one to two pieces. Um, and I'm interested in what what do you think the time should be and and how many days a week do you think it you know what what would work for you?
>> Um, not every night certainly. Maybe two nights a week, >> maybe weekends. Mhm. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Any other public comment on this request
online? Any public comment? Okay. Back to the board. Um Mr. Niccastro has kind of weighed in. Mr. Smith, Miss Potes, Mr. Meadows, Mr. Smith. >> So, just to um get some clarity for everybody, it's the application is 3
to8, but now we're talking about 3 to six, >> correct? And uh are we still on one to two pieces or maybe that's a question for >> Joe Johnston is >> Joe Johnson. >> Joe >> correct. Yeah. I mean again nothing amplified you know there maybe the the
steel drum or a guitar. Um kind of wanted to ask for the maximum and uh acquies to you know what what would be ideal for us. The draw is really for the off the beach crowd looking to just have a destination, you know, for a few
hours, little lively music and good food. >> Is this is this Go ahead, Stuart. >> Well, I'm sorry, but so one piece 3 to 6, Friday, Saturday, a Sunday. There you go. >> I don't want to put words in your mouth, but is that what we're talking about,
>> Joe? Um, I mean, honestly, I wasn't hoping to limit to to certain days, but I would certainly compromise. Absolutely. >> Yeah, I think that's a wise idea if you want to get a start. I think they would be this would be a kind of a litmus test
of how we go and how much impact there is on the abutters, Joe. So, I think I think it'd be smart to ask for that. I think that that's reasonable, Miss Potest. >> Yeah. So, thank you. I was going to say Friday, Saturday, Sunday as well. So, I I agree um with Stuart and also I'm good with one to two pieces, three to six.
And I I think it's a way to support a local business such as yours, which I'm very happy to see in that location compared to what we had there before. Um and also, um to support the arts. So, um I would be very comfortable with that.
>> Corey, no. I mean, I can if we narrow it down to three to six, um give it a try. We do have to remember there's there's a neighborhood behind that store. So, it's not like it's just it's just, you know, market road 28 commercialized area. Um there's a there's a whole bunch of
residents behind that road. So, we we we got to we got to keep that con in in in our in our mind. Um but I think if we shut it down at six or limited to six, I should say, um 3 hours under the conditions we've talked about, I think
it's um it's it's a reasonable ask. And if it doesn't work out, they're going to have to, you know, come back to us probably. Um, well, I mean, we want to condition it or anything. >> I'd like to hear have a promise from the neighbors to come back if there are issues.
>> I would like to have the neighbors come back if there are issues. If you have issues with the noise, please come back. >> So, would someone like to craft a motion? Mr. Meadows? >> Um, I move, let's see, here we go. [sighs]
that we approve a new annual entertainment license for outdoor live acoustic music at Mustard Seed LLC doing business at Cotto Mexican Kitchen, 859 Main Street uh from on Fridays, Saturdays, and Sundays from
3:00 p.m. to 6:00 p.m. Uh One Piece music um artist limitations. I'll second that. >> Okay, we have a motion in a second. We'll call the role. Mr. Smith, >> I.
>> Mr. Niccastro, >> no. Okay, >> Miss Potach. >> Yes. Yes. >> Matters. >> I. >> And the chair says yes as well. I is yes. So, this is kind of an experiment, Joe. Let's see how it goes. Okay. But, uh, >> absolutely. I appreciate the effort and um, looking forward to speaking again
later. >> Okay. Thank you, Joe. Good luck. >> All right. Thanks. >> Yep. The next item on our agenda is our consent agenda. We have three items on our consent consent agenda. Certainly, we can discuss any one of them. One of the first one is a light fitness class
at 702 Main Street by Sue Hunter. We've previously licensed her and we're very comfortable. I think full body circuit fitness classes at 702 Main Street at the community center with Rachel Cook. We previously licensed Rachel Cook as well. We have a consideration of outdoor display and sale of goods Chattam
Clothing Bar at 532 and 534 Main Street from July 10th to 13th. And we have a consider request for a waiver of a tent permit by the Chattam Conservation Foundation. Lauren Aramano will be here and um we have waved those uh fees in
the in in the past as well. Any issues with anything on the consent agenda by the board? >> Mr. Niccastro. >> Mr. Chairman, I move we approve the consent agenda. >> A second. >> Second. >> Thank you. We'll call the role. Mr. Smith. >> Hi. >> Mr. Niccastro. >> Hi. >> Miss Potes. Hi.
>> Mr. Murder. >> Hi. and the chair says I as well. Okay, here we go. The next item on our agenda is public comments on our business agenda. Typically, we allow everybody to comment on our business agenda itself. But if
you have any issues or you have to leave early or you feel as though you need to jump in early or you want to leave, you may comment on the business agenda in advance. I'm considering nuking this line because we've let everybody speak as well here hereafter. or so. But anyway, we have a consideration of a
special one-day alcohol license by Robert Ryan. We have a seasonal clo closure of shellfish closer and oyster pond. We have an initial employment agreement with our chief of police just announced. We have a recommendation to amend the charge of the economic development advisory committee. We have
a discussion following the mass design public hearing of Crow Road intersection. Then we'll be considering appointments and reappoints and then a discussion of our meeting with the regional school district um and the Harvard Slick Board and a potential vote there. So any any any advanced comments
on the business agenda? Uh yes, Frank, Mr. Msina has his hands up in the back. Must be something historical. I guess I'm I guess I'm the ultimate in transparency. Um [clears throat] I uh I I like the act that your comment about
leaving early. Thank you very much. It's a good idea. Uh I want to uh comment on the uh your item E discussion and uh I'm not sure the process but I it sounds like you're going to talk about whether or not or have a discussion of whether
or not you're going to continue uh and allow this uh effort to concede proceed or to terminate it. Is that correct? >> That's correct. >> Okay. I want to, you know, I I sent I sent an email to you and I was away so I was quick quick for me to do that in
reference to uh the project. Uh, and I I took a quick look at it and was kind of disturbed at the scope of it and it reminded me deja vu of the Mitchell River Bridge when we asked Mass historic, excuse me, mass DOT to come in
and help us with the bridge and they helped us by providing a design for something which was probably uh Route 95 in Bridgeport. And there was a it took a long time to to to find finally get resolution at least got to be at least
three years I'm sure you with the to finally get uh reach a point and my my comment or in in just a I would like to avoid the section 106 process that we had with the Mitch bridge. Uh this this
project is uh in the national historic uh historic historic business district. In other words, it's a national registered district, the historic business district. U and uh we may not always like that, but it is and which
says that when you accept federal funds and this project is going to be federally funded partially. So any project which is partially or completely funded by uh federal funds uh there is a thing called the national historic
preservation act in 1966 which was a very good year and you know uh that was that act was put in place when the they were building highways all over the country and they were making you know crashing through neighborhoods. So, we have a situation and uh I I'd like to
refer also to uh what Barnstable did on the the U Route 6A. It had the same thing downtown where the government federal government was going to come in and improve the streets and they said no. And they decided to take it over and
they in that at town, it's my understanding that they're the ones who improve the streets. They they don't take the the five the federal fundings. they they fund it themselves and I think it's something that we might want to think about as a town because uh you
know the roads are not the best and they should be improved but improving them in such a way that still would maintain you know the the historic nature of uh the community and our sense of place. I think it's important. Do we really need a bike trail there? Probably not. Do we
need sidewalks on both sides? Probably not. You know, there are a lot of things you can do. Um, and just quickly, and I'm sorry talking too much, we have an application before us right now in the historical commission in the old village, and one of the arguments that
the applicant is using is that, you know, he's going to make the streets safer. Well, okay. 99.9% of the town, the streets in the town of Chadam are not safe according to federal standards. If we decide that we're going to make all
the streets safe, we can just kiss Chadam goodbye. And so we have to be very careful before we proceed. Do am I recommending in my opinion that you reject it? Maybe not. But if you decide to proceed, I think upfront, as I said in my email, I would hope that the
select board takes the lead to ensure that what we do meets the requirements of the the the historic sense of the town of Chattam. And uh you can do that uh with and we can avoid you know the people like myself saying stop and
require a section 106 re review process which just is going to slow everything down. Anyway, thank you very much. I appreciate you giving me the time. >> Okay, Frank, thank you. Uh Mr. Levit, we we're going to have an opportunity to talk about the intersection when we we
pick up item E. So if if you've got to repeat yourself or uh >> Oh, no. We can wait. Okay, I I see Mr. Buckley is has his hand up. I'm going to try to enforce about a three-minute rule this evening um for comment uh at my
discretion. So, Mr. Buckley, uh please uh go ahead. I'm going to recognize you now. Go ahead. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um yes, thank you for clarifying that we'd be able to speak later. I just wanted to be
raise a couple concerns. Hopefully, the discussion will cover before I speak. I'm allowed to speak again. Um I just wanted to know under the uh economic development committee uh at some point like to know what the difference is between our long range comprehensive plan and the sustainability plan that
you've tked them to do. Don't need an answer now. Just that's a concern I a clarification that would I'd like before I comment because I don't know what the difference is. And the second thing is um I don't think it needs still needs to be clarified under the mass DOT uh crow
road intersection project that whether it's our project still or whether they've taken over and whether the select board can instruct its engineer to make a change or whether something is
acceptable under mass dot design standards. And that's it. I'll speak later. Thank you. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Buckley. Uh, the next item on our agenda is consider the approval of initial employment agreement with our chief of our new chief of police dated July 22nd, 2026 to June
30th, 2029. And our director of HR, Megan Downey, is here. >> Close the public hearing. [cough] [clears throat] >> Oh, I'm sorry. >> I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm out of line here. I'm I Sorry, Megan. Okay. Okay,
our next item on the agenda is to consider a special 1-day alcohol license for Robert Ryan Art on June 11th, 2026 at 2624 Main Street. Mr. Ryan, you're present uh either here physically or online. Mr. Ryan, why don't you come
forward to the podium, please? Sorry about that. Yes, I'm looking for um a wine permit for one day, July 11 from 4 to 8 at a gallery that I opened this year just to
uh attract attention to it. Um it's been done many times before with art openings and I will be present the entire time. I can have a bartender and um I'd fulfill all the requirements
as far as the liquor where to get the Luke's or whatever. >> And your galleries where? >> Uh 2624 Main Street. It's right next to the store, Christmas Joy. >> Okay. >> It's like an annex side of Christmas
Joy. >> Okay. >> Okay. Any comments or questions uh from the board on Mr. Ryan's application? hearing. Seeing none, I'll entertain a motion. >> Move approval. Second. >> Okay. Thank you. Call the role. Mr. Smith, >> I.
>> Mr. Niccastro. >> Hi. >> Miss Bot Dash. >> Hi. >> Mr. Meadows. >> Hi. >> And the chair says I as well. Good luck, Mr. Ryan. Absolutely. >> Thank you very much. >> July 11th, 48. >> July 11th. >> And we also have a request for a seasonal closure of shell for shell
fishing um at Oyster Pond. Um is Renee online or there she is. Hi Renee. I'll recognize you. >> Good evening, Mr. Chair. >> Good evening. >> Um, thank you. Renee Gagy, um, shelfish constipal for the town. And, uh, this is our last seasonal closure. I'm seeking
your request to close it tomorrow, July 1st. And that Yes. Oon proper. >> Okay. Mr. Mr. Mccastro, >> move approval. And I assume the clerk will read it after it's voted. Thank you. >> Correct. >> Second. >> Thank you. Okay. We'll call the role.
Mr. Smith >> I >> Mr. Niccastro Hi >> Miss Potach >> I >> Mr. Submitt. >> And the chair says I. And typically we do read these. So I I'll prevail upon clerk pot to read this notice. >> Okay. Shelfish rules and regulations
June 30th 2026. Uh effective July 1st 2026. The oyster pawn east of a line from Kelly Landing to Long Point is closed for the taking of shellfish by permit holders until further notice.
>> Thank you Miss Potest. We have voted it. So shall it be. Okay, next item in the agenda is to consider the approval of an initial employment agreement with our new chief of police dated July 22nd, 2026 to June 30th, 2029. And Megan
Downey will introduce the item. And good evening, Megan. Megan's our director of HR. >> Thank you, Mr. Chair. Megan Downey, human resources director. As the town manager announced tonight, she has appointed Deputy Chief Lou Melzone as our next chief of police. and we are
pleased to report that negotiations for an employment agreement have resulted in tenative agreement for approval by the select board. This is an initial agreement uh and it provides for a one-year probationary period and creation of goals for a successful transition into the role of
chief of police. This same probationary duration has been done for our other employment agreements that are initial, including the current chief of police, fire chief, and director of finance. The draft document was based on the initial employment agreement of Chief Anderson,
and it's been updated in accordance with recommendations from labor council attorney John Clifford. The revisions include indemnification language which mirrors the language in MGL chapter 258 section 9. A revision to separation
non-renewal provision for discipline and discharge to conform with Mass General Law chapter 41 section 97 as the statute is noted in the provision but previously the language wasn't quite consistent with section 97. and then language
specific to the termination during probationary period. The draft agreement was presented to the select board on May 26th in executive session and Deputy Chief Malzone accepted the terms on June 4th. A salary survey was performed using
local external police chief salaries as well as our internal comp of the fire chief. And based on such, the proposed compensation allows for an initial 4% salary increase in year 1 or FY27 of 187,489.87.
a subsequent 4% increase in year two FY2028 or July 1st 2027 of 194,98946 and then a 3% increase in year three of the contract FY2029 or July 1st 28 uh of
$200,839.15. And this includes all the compensation items that were previously paid such as education through the Quinn bill, holiday pay, longevity, department head, or what's now called professional pay. And it's all rolled into one annual
salary or total compensation. There is no fiscal impact to the FY27 operating budget. And as noted earlier, the draft contract was reviewed by Town of Cadam Labor Council attorney John Clifford.
Thank you, Megan Downey. Uh, this is subject to, uh, ratification approval by the select board. Uh, comments uh by the select board and or a motion. >> Mr. Smith. >> Mr. Smith. >> So, I have a couple of uh comments. Um,
I guess I'll make a motion uh that we add the following language uh into the contract. Um, I'd like to add select board following hereafter in the first paragraph of the
proposed contract. I'd like to add appointing authority in the same paragraph uh after the town manager. And I'd like to add from the previous police chief contract
and what is similar language with the police chief's contract prior to the uh current chief. Um, I'd like to add uh add in a six and seven from the current
chief contract which is on page five into the proposed contract. >> So Stuart, if you would can you just repeat the I lost you there in the middle somehow. >> Sure. Um, >> so page one we have the agreement entries of the town of Chadam select board. You said
>> yeah select board in the first paragraph. adding to it. >> Sorry, where is that being added? Stuart >> in the first >> first paragraph >> of the proposed contract. Uh add select. >> Sorry. Um add select board uh in the
first paragraph following hereafter. >> Where what line is that? I'm trying to find it. >> So this agreement or contractors entered into the between the town of Chadam. >> Okay. hereafter town select board.
>> So that would be within the parenthesis. >> Yes, please. >> Okay. >> Acting through the appointing authority which is the town manager. Then on page, well there is no page because this
portion was removed from this proposed contract. Um so if you go to page five, I can read it because I'm um if you go to page five of the current chief's contract number six, sub paragraphs number six
and seven. Would you like me to read it? Uh >> please. Yeah. >> Um it's under separation or non-renewal. Um so there are under discipline and discharge a there's seven sections and
I'm suggesting to take six and seven and add it to uh it was removed. I want to put it back into the >> and and and what do those [clears throat] say, Stuart? >> Sure. Number six, si single arbitrator. The chief may appeal any discipline or
discharge to a single arbiter subject to the employment arbitration rules and procedures of the American arbitrations arbitration association with the cost of the arbitration being shared equally by both parties. Number seven, any
controversy, dispute or claim arising out of or relating to this agreement or breach thereof shall first be settled through good faith negotiation. If the dispute cannot be settled through negotiation, the parties agree to
arbitration pursuant to the employment arbitration rules and procedures of the American Arbitration Association. Th those words come right out of the current chief's contract. I'd like to insert it into the proposed contract
along with the other two uh changes. >> Okay, we have some comments from the board. Miss Potach, please. I I just want to say that the page five that I have in this section, Stuart, that you're talking about only goes up to four. So your two um additions would be
Roman numeral five and six if I'm not mistaken. >> And yes, but they come out of the current chief's agreement is numbered six and seven. But yes, >> Mr. Dcastro, >> can we take these one by one? Um >> please, >> I just want to focus on the first one. Mhm.
>> Um it would seem to me that the contract is not between the select board and the chief. It's between the corporation, the town, the municipal corporation, the town of Chadam. >> That that the chief. So I I think what
>> that's true, but the contract is either approved or not approved by the select board case. >> That's true. That's in the charter. I and I appreciate the fact that you've brought this concept of having the board review these and appro vote on approving
these contracts. It just seems to me to not not a not to be it doesn't seem to me consistent with the fact that the contract is is not a contract between the body the
public body known as the select board and the chief. It's between the town and the chief. So I'm not sure why we would want to add select board in um >> it there >> I I I add it there because they're the approving authority under the charter
and the the the proposed agreement starts with this agreement and then in PNS or contract it is is entered into between the town of Chadam hereafter town typically you're right that town when we refer to town of Chadam uh we
refer to the legislature which is uh town meeting, but in this case, the charter assigns it to the select board. So, I'm just clarifying that. >> Yeah, but I think that I think that the purpose of that parenthesis is just to say that whenever you see uh the word town in the document, that refers to the
town of Chadam. It's just really a shorthand. I mean, perhaps you could insert the concept that this of the select board's approval somewhere >> else in this paragraph rather than in in the parenthesis, which doesn't seem to
me to be the appropriate place to to do it. Maybe you could say where it says acting, you could leave that as it is. This is just a suggestion. and just say um after the parenthesis
act um >> acting through its town manager with the approval of the select board >> that's that >> I think says the same thing but that's fine to me it's a >> I agree >> might be clear >> y
>> I don't think that's fine >> we don't have an issue with that town manager >> I think we have >> no no issue >> all right thank you Yep. Then next, Dean. >> Oh, well, I I'm going to partially defer. I was not present in the executive session um
because I was on vacation out of the country. Um I so I I you know I I don't I assume that the change between the contract with the current chief and
um what is before us uh came on the advice of town labor council but I I'll defer to other members of the board on that. >> Yeah. I'm going to turn it to Megan to just to remind us what the why why those >> Yes. clauses were taken out
>> that came from uh John Clifford. He says that the the remedy in a breach of contract is not arbitration. It's it's through the court and that's why that those sections were recommended to be removed by him. >> What he actually said at the executive
session meeting was we should offer no employee other than what is etched in statute any protections. That is uh not my feeling. Uh John Clifford is not the policy setter here. He's legal counsel.
And what I'm saying is every single police chief contract current included and previous I can read Mr. Paulina's contract which is even stronger if you like. It seems to get weaker and weaker as we get new chiefs. So, um,
that's why I'm suggesting to keep these two provisions that are in the current police chief contract and move them into the, uh, current employment agreement draft that the uh, town manager has proposed here.
>> I'm inclined to defer to our legal counsel, our labor council, to be honest with you, Stuart, and and not include that language. I there was a reason why he he nuked it. Um, so I'm apt to not support the inclusion of those the arbitration clause. Folks are uh
employees uh are allowed to take full advantage of everything that's available to them via statute was his main point to us. Um, and there really was no reason to have arbitration. That's he changed it. And you know, >> here's my and I'll and I'll leave it for
others, but here's my overriding point, and this especially is the case for chief of police. It is for the rest of the department heads, but most especially for chief of police. The chief of police and all employees don't
take an oath oath to an individual person. They take an oath to the law, the constitution, and the charter. That's who we want the chief of police to serve, not an individual here. So, it could be any person sitting as town manager or any proponent or any uh
police chief uh applicant. Doesn't matter. It's it this is a philosophy that I have and um I hope to see in in uh further documentation, but it's existed. It's existed for a reason and I suggest that we keep it. >> Okay.
>> Okay. Mr. Niccastro and then Miss Potes. >> A question of Stuart. Uh if your language were reinstated, would it apply to the probationary period as well? In other words, if the town manager >> No, >> it was not. >> No, it's there's a separate provision
for probationary period. I'm not suggesting to change that because I think that that is appropriate. Um >> there'd be no appeal during the >> There' be no appeal for that. >> Okay. Thank you, >> Miss Potes. Um, so I would just uh want I know um the chief he basically was
just announced as the chief. He he signed the contract already. So I'm concerned with um messing with that. Can you help us out with that? >> So I we would go back to to the deputy chief with any changes to have that
discussion if it were voted tonight. >> Okay. And and I'm not comfortable changing it after he's already signed it. He's been announced. Um, I fully respect uh Stuart's position and I think it's something that we could look at as a policy change going forward, but I think um not not at this point in time
would I would I support a change in the contract that he's already signed and um agreed to. >> Mr. Matters, I might >> I'm sorry. >> Just I'm sorry. The process is yes, the chief has signed and agreed to this
contingent on the select board's approval or not. So the process is not complete by any stretch. I I did try to get another executive session and I was unsuccessful in that. So that's why I'm bringing up tonight.
>> Mr. Meadows, >> okay. So I'm certainly not the attorney on the board. So um I'm looking at this. I I know that we presented a contract. We had executive session. We we dealt with all the details. Um I think um
you know Luma was very excited. He was thrilled, you know, he was he was he was not opposed to anything language that we put forth with him. He was excited to serve and that's why, you know, this is where we are. I'm reading
Stuart's amendments. I phrase it a different way maybe, but to the benefit of Blue Mail Zone. So, I'm I'm interested in kind of exploring this conversation because I I think it
is important. Then we have our, you know, police chief, fire chief, and, you know, we we don't we're very limited as a select board in who we kind of get more into the weeds with with staff. Most most of our employees. We we we don't um this is slightly different. So I am very interested to kind of
understand um because it has been in the contract of previous chief pelina and it is it has been in past contracts. So and I'm trying to refresh my memory from the executive session. Um but to not to make
an amendment that would not be detrimental to our new police chief um does have some interest to me. So that's where I'm looking for I I want to get some clarification because I'm interested in this. So my understanding in previous contracts is that labor council wasn't in favor of it prior as well. It it was
suggested I believe by the Mass Chief's Council and it did ultimately get inserted into into the contract but that's why they are recommending that it comes out. >> Mr. Dcastro I I I Mr. Niccastro and then we got to move on here please. It's just an observation, you know, um, from the
standpoint of management, you really wouldn't want to have arbitration because it does muck up the process. It's expensive. It delays things. There is a there is a right to appeal to the courts. So, if we were starting
Tabalasa, that's probably the philosophy I would I would um put forward. But obviously if there are going to be changes in this contract um that the board wants to make um it would have to be run by um Chief Melone um we've
already sort of informally suggested a minor change at the beginning that could be accomplished by an initialing uh writing those words in but any I I just wanted to throw that out. I I you know I when I was city solicitor, we had labor
attorney in um on our regular staff as it were. It was a private firm, but um their job was to represent management and that's who the mayor was. Um and we're sort of in the same position here, but anyway, you can argue
it both ways. >> Miss Potes, >> I recognize you, Randy. >> Okay. Okay. Thank you. So, um I was just about to say that labor council represents the town, uh not the chief, although I do read it as a benefit to
the chief. Um perhaps, but he's not the only party that um is involved in this. And again, labor council represents the town and um and that's what his opinion is. And uh so I I tend to defer to that. So um I could move to approve, but um
I'm not sure if that's >> move to. I'll move to approve. >> I need a second. >> I'll second it. But it sounds like this is something that probably should um if you call for a conversation with
the chief, >> you know, >> um to see if he's even interested in pursuing this. She's already signed the contract, but >> we have labor counsel. Liber Council did not include this these clauses because he felt the remedy was the remedy at law
through the courts and that those are the then he told us that those are the the the way they're writing contracts these days and that's that's that's the language of the contracts that he he that that he supports and he suggests and he advises and so in advice of labor council we we we came out um not a huge
issue but I you know I I I >> you're right >> and [clears throat] and we had an executive session and you know um we agreed that the the contract was good. See, so so I I don't I I take issue a little bit, Stuart, with with your coming in and saying, you know, we you
were denied another executive session. We we agreed on the contract in executive session. We did. I >> I most certainly didn't. >> Yes, you did. >> Well, okay. But >> you didn't like the appeal. You didn't like the appeal in the probation period, but you know, I mean, >> you know, this um we do represent
management. Absolutely. This is that that's our role. We also represent the employees and um what's happened is this is one of the reasons why you lose so many employees is because we don't take
a more we don't take a more objective view of this and so this is mine uh and you know proceed how you like >> okay we have a a motion and a second >> can I ask a question is the motion which I did second does that include the I'll
call it the minor change that we discussed in the Stuart Super suggestion which I would suggest >> if the vote if the motion carries >> could be addressed simply by an initialing. >> Okay. Um I will just say that since as I
understand from what was said the opinion of Lego labor council is consistent with my own view of the role of management in a municipal corporation. I will support the motion. Thank you. Motion's been made and seconded. I'll call the role. Mr. Smith, >> no.
>> Mr. Niccastro. >> I. >> Miss Potach. >> Hi. >> Mr. Meadows. >> Hi. >> And Mr. Dykin says I. The motion carries 40 to1. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Your contract's been approved. Mr. Mr. Melzone. Okay. Our next item on our agenda is to
consider the recommendation to amend the charge of the economic development advisory committee. It's a request made by our chair of uh our economic development advisory committee, Lucia Quinn. And I don't know if he's here as well, but Lucia, you are welcome to the podium.
Good evening. >> Thank you. I don't have to introduce myself [clears throat] because of that. Um thanks to the select board for hearing the committee's request to amend our charge. Um, just as a reminder for the room, um, it has last been reviewed
in 2013. Um, and in fact, Jill mentioned to me earlier that she wrote it in 2013. Um, I also want to thank the EDAC committee members who are present here or online. Please feel free to chime in. I may miss
something um, which not would not be unusual. I want to be clear that um this is not change for change sake although it might feel uh a little bit like semantics and Mr. Buckley I may or may
not answer your question but I remember it so I'll address it at the end if that's okay. So the reasons um that we decided we needed to look at the charge was um were several. First, the committee had not met during COVID or
after that and it was essentially being reconstituted in the summer of 2025. There were two members who remained on the committee from the prior instantiation, but the rest of the members were all new to the committee
and largely unfamiliar with the history um or the involvement of the committee in the past. A lot of a lot of years had passed. At the committee's first meeting in September of 2025, the select board asked us to make recommendations regarding the proposed price increases
at the transfer station. We've all talked about that in this room previously. We took on the task and we learned a lot doing that, although we were quite confused as to why that task came to us. Um and that caused us to go
back and look at the charge and try to understand what the intent of the creation of the committee was. We looked both at the charge as written by the town manager and also um compared that to the select board's goals and
objectives which were published in January 2026. So we had two places to guide us as guard rails. Um, and we found some discrepancies that confirmed our confusion and why we're
here tonight. And again, it could be semantics. Um, but uh, we did want to get some clarification from the select board uh, before we proceed to the business at hand. the principal differences between the
two the charge of 2013 and what the select board charged us with in its goals and objectives in 2013. Um it is we are charged with suggesting initiatives in 2026.
The language given to us by the select board says we are tasked with authority to develop and implement execution strategies to advance the goal of fostering a vibrant and sustainable local economy in collaboration with the
chamber of commerce. That's a bit different than the um making suggestions. It may call the question as to advisory or not advisory, but we are very committed to uh making a
difference and and to working with other committees in town to ensure that we are supporting efforts that help us to succeed in delivering on that charge. I
think for the room it might be useful for me to read it. Um and for those online um the changes are really very few. There is an additional sentence um that clarifies who we're addressing our
charge to as who is our audience for the work that we're doing. So the recommended um new charge is as follows. recommend to and gain approval from the Cadam Select Board to lead the strategic
planning and tactical implementation of specific economic development opportunities that can accelerate sustainable year-round economic growth for the town of Chadam and its citizens without creating significant adverse
impacts on our community character or natural environment. These initiatives may be undertaken independently or in collaboration with private entities, other Cape communities or agencies for both local and regional
benefit. Those are almost identical to the original charge. We added the committee will solicit input across the broadest possible spectrum of Chattam residents, business owners, and employees with a particular focus on
supporting and growing small businesses, revitalizing local employment, strengthening local schools, and supporting affordable and attainable housing initiatives. That is what we're proposing. Um
I think the agenda you have tonight would not suggest that I go back and compare word for word the old charter to the charge to the new charge to the question that you raised Mr. Buckley around what is the difference between the long range comprehensive plan and a
sustainability plan which we haven't really defined here. I'm not sure that I can answer that. I can tell you how we're approaching it. We have um when we finished with the transfer station um issues, we began and simultaneously
actually a a period of real education. Um we've had many of the town department managers come um tell us about the their work and um including the finance manager. Um, but most important, we went
back to a report that was done in 2019 called Cadam 365 and looked at a very detailed list of things that were proposed in that plan by a um group of citizens, a very well-chosen group of citizens, all ages,
all economic backgrounds, and they had some really good suggestions. We also had um the former select board member Shireen Davis come and talk to us about how that committee operated and what it was focused on. Um and have decided that
um we're going to use that as the basis of our go forward those items that um haven't been completed yet or need more support. and we're going to um assign committee members to be liaison to other
committees so that we can understand how we can support the initiatives that they are recommending. Um that may or may not answer your question. So I would take um first comments from the committee members if there are any
in the room or online. >> Lucia, that sounds great. The charge is I think very well done. Mr. Niccastro, I think, has a a comment, a question. >> Thank you. Thank you, Lucia. And I appreciate um the diligence and care with which you
put this together and um as you know, at your invitation, I spoke with your committee. >> Correct. >> Um and you asked me when I was chair uh someone asked uh how narrow or wide
you should be. and I basically said I think you should um be encouraged to blue sky things and not feel limited in terms of your creativity. That being said, I do have some concern about this, although I do acknowledge
and I just pulled up the goals and objectives of the select board, and you quote that accurately, which talks about tasking the EDC with authority to develop and implement execution strategies.
Um, that's something when this board looks at our goals and objectives again in December, I might want to take another look at because I I am concerned and I had kind of the same reaction I think Mr. Buckley may have had when I first read this
>> and I picked up my packet. I said, "This sounds like a long range planning committee to me." Um now if you read it more closely it's not but I am concerned about an advisory committee
having authority to go out and make arrangements with external parties. Uh I I'm I I I think the role should be that the that an advisory committee develops
proposals and presents them to the select board for approval and direction and in that context we could task the committee to go and implement something. That's what concerns me. Um,
and so if I look at your language to try to achieve that result, I there were two suggestions I would offer. Um, in the first line where it says recommend to
and gain approval from, I I think the phrase and gain approval from is probably superfluous and would suggest that it be deleted. And then in the fifth fifth line, the sentence that begins, these initiatives
may be undertaken. I would suggest inserting after the word initiatives a comma and the following clause which would read which are for the purpose of developing proposals for the select board to consider for
adoption slashimplementation. I would be more comfortable with that language in there terms of approving it. I'm again I'm not trying to take away your creativity because I I think it's great that this committee which had been
dormant as you point out for so long and now has been repopulated with a lot of good people including yourself. >> Um but I'd like to you sort of you know present some put in place some guideposts for you. So I want to assure
you that we as a committee who discussed this at three separate meetings >> um had many of the same uh questions. >> Um we were concerned that we would make proposals that would just fall off the
edge and not have a chance to drive them to completion. Mhm. >> Um, but we also were trying to be sensitive to words that were in both of the prior charges. So the words that respectfully the words that you're um
concerned about are words that the select board wrote. And so that's what we were trying to understand is what's the difference between making a suggestion that may or may not be heard or acted upon um or saying here's a plan
we think this would be good to proceed which we thought was what the select board was stating in the goals and objectives. So it wasn't in this case it wasn't us trying to broaden it was us trying to align with and I think that um
the edits that the select board wants to make I think are are the select boards to make honestly. um the gaining approval from um would was
asking if a recommendation was approved, could we be involved in its implementation? Um when we talk about um >> makes sense >> being involved uh for us and and we talked about this at the last meeting and we will next week at our next
meeting. It was really let's make sure we're supporting other initiatives proposed by other committees particularly in the housing area and in the quality of the schools both of which are key issues to um maintaining
um our economic health. >> Yeah. Two two comments. Um the so your current charge says to suggest initiatives which the town might undertake.
It doesn't really talk about the committee implementing them. Um and my other comment is with respect to the phrase gaining approval from and wanting to be involved. you could perhaps be recommending some changes
that would fall under the the purview of the planning board to >> to propose who we're meeting with next Wednesday. >> Yes. Which I think is smart, which is to propose they might want to propose a bylaw change to the to the um protective
bylaw. So that's where I'm coming from. I I don't know if the language I read out before is amendable to to I don't know how the select board came to agreement about what it
published in its goals and objectives for 2026. Wasn't part of that conversation. Um it's pretty um clear language. >> Yes. >> Um and so from my perspective, what the committee needs guidance from the select
board as to the seriousness of what was in the goals and objectives. >> Yeah. because that that's where when the committee was coming to me to say why are we doing the transfer station why is why is this in our laps as our very first thing that's when I went to the
goals and objectives to try to understand where that fit >> okay >> comments spoken okay comments on on dean suggestions andor the charge that Lucia has is recommending here I I just have a quick comment I don't I don't mind the
EDAC following up on something that you've recommended to us and um we think it's great and you guys think you have a role in this implementation tactically working with other communities and or committees andor I have no issue with that whatsoever because it's all hands- on deck. If if an item has been brought
forward and approved, you think it's a good idea and you guys think you have a role a cogent role um in its execution then go with God. I mean the 365 initiative they came in years ago and had a whole litany of very very interesting creative
ideas that we didn't glom on to you know all at once or immediately but over time the work you know became it became very apparent that the work was very rational cogent made a lot of sense and a lot of the initiatives that they suggested have
been implemented so you know I'd love to see that kind of energy and thoughtfulness put forward by the by the EDAC and you've got a super committee I think put together >> well and that's why we went back that as our source document because we didn't want to
>> go around a track that had already been well trodd and well researched >> I'll also add this that when the 365 like a year or two later on 365 I had comments that you guys ever going to do anything with that you guys ever going to do anything with that you know and it took us a while to to to really get
energized around some of the initiatives and they might have done something with it more quickly, you know. Anyway, if as long as we approve what's going on and we know what's going on and and it's anyway, I'll be quiet. Cordy Corey. >> Well, I think it's important one of the
past issues with the former EDC was they committee members would put all their effort in discussions and make recommendations and everything and they present it to us. >> Mhm. and sometime the follow through wasn't what the follow through was what
either wasn't there was no follow through it wasn't the follow through they expected um so I think having DC members being part of that follow-through process um I think it it it it um validates the effort the members put into bringing the
recommendations forward um and kind of that little extra guide rail of that something is going to make some motion and it may get approved it or may not get approved but it won't get sat out on the back burner kind of simmering for a while um you know as a as a good idea but you know what are we going to do it
this week or next week or whatever. So I think as far as kind of keeping things rolling um I think there's some benefit to it. So >> any any comments Randy? >> Yeah. Oh thank you. So um so I I support um your efforts. Um I have one quick
question and then I want to underline uh the last sentence. Um so you said that your committee members were going to uh be liaison to other committees. Is that unofficial? You just sort of >> Yes. The idea is that we're going to understand >> Yeah.
>> in more depth the issues that they're addressing um the data that they're using to address those issues to understand how and where we can be supportive to what they're trying to get done. >> Yeah. So, so they'll everybody will take a couple one or two committees that
they'll kind of monitor and bring it back to your group. >> Correct. So, you won't be surprised that I will be the school committee liaison. >> Right. Of course. And then I really I really love your last sentence. The committee will solicit input across the broadest possible spectrum of Chattam
residents, business owners, employees with a particular focus on supporting growing small businesses, revitalizing local employment, strengthening local schools, and supporting affordable, attainable housing initiatives. I mean it's quite a lofty goal and um that's
the the lion share of your work is to go out and see what what what is out there and what what um opportunities we may have and then when you sort of um >> class on to some you'll bring it back to the select board to say we would like to
do x y and z with this information >> that is what the committee members want to sign up for. Okay, good. Good. Any other comments on the charge comments? Stuart,
>> thank you. Um, I kind of share Dean's thought process uh on on this issue. Um I'm not It says uh to lead the strategic planning
and support the tactical implementation of specific economic development opportunities that can accelerate that you're you're I think you may have said at least that this is a it's
not exactly what advisory committees historically have done. Um the so that's one thought. The the other thing is um these initiatives may be undertaken independently or
and supporting affordable and attain attainable housing initiatives. Does that mean doesn't say that but does that mean supporting all those initiatives? [snorts]
>> Don't know. That means when we have something to say and facts to add to the discussion that we're going to speak up. >> Well, I would expect you would. Um I don't I don't know. I don't want to get committed to
supporting every affordable or attainable housing initiative that is suggested by some group or entity other than this one. Um um in any event, I think this is a great committee. I I
think this may be just a little bit too far for me, but um I'll keep listening. >> Any any language changes wanted here? Uh Dean suggested that we delete gain approval from if we recommend to the Chattam select board um to lead the
strategic planning and support the tactical limitation of specific economic development opportunities that can what I love is can accelerate sustainable year-round economic growth for the town and its citizens. And I I echo Ry's support of uh with a particular focus on
supporting and growing small businesses, revitaliz revitalizing local employment, strengthening local schools, and supporting affordable and attainable housing initiatives as appropriate. The the EDAC and my PE brain is looking at efforts and initiatives to create and
support sustainable yearround life here, year-round life. And that and it's not a comprehensive plan. It's it's a s it's looking at how we support and sustain yearround life which includes jobs. It includes the schools. It includes maybe affordable and attainable
housing. It includes other initiatives taking the place if you will of not the place but picking up the the the the baton from the 365 initiative like 365 like initiatives. That that's that's the way I look at this charge. You may
think it's too broad, but if they want to go get something done, let them get something done. >> Did you Did you add a >> no >> phrase after initiatives? You said as appropriate. >> Yeah, I I I said that that's not that's not in the charge. No. Yeah, Mr. Niccastro. And then I'll be quiet.
>> I just want to say something about Cadam 365 because I offered the motion to dissolve that group once that that recommendation came in. That those recommendations came before this board three or four times. They did. >> And the notion that there [clears throat] are multiple
recommendations that were not implemented is false. I'm not saying you're saying that. Many of them, most of them were implemented. You know what was not implemented? The residential tax exemption. You know, >> now this board, a majority of the board
wants to do it. So, I just really wanted to get that. >> Yeah. No, and I don't need to interrupt. And I have no problem with your looking at that document for guidance as to how and in what directions you might want to go. But I don't think it should be the
Bible for your committee. >> No. >> And and and that that's all I really wanted to say. And I I I suggested changes in two places. And if the committee comes forward with
proposals to the select board, I think it's up to the select board to decide who's going to implement them. >> And in most instances, we probably would want the committee not just to to be involved, but to implement. So that's really where I'm coming from. I'm not
sure I could support this as is without the changes. >> Please read your changes again. we want to delete and gain approval from. >> And then in the in the fifth line after the phrase init after the phrase these initiatives I would add comma which are for the purpose of developing proposals
for the select board to consider for adoption/implementation. >> That's fine. That's fine. It's perfect. >> You want to add appropriate at the end? >> Yes, I do. And I was going to second here. >> Okay. That's a motion. >> I'm adding a third one as appropriate at the end. appropriate after that's that's
fine. Good. >> Before you vote, >> I just want want to be clear um with you um Dean that is it was not a criticism of the select board's actions on on Chattam 365. First of all, it happened
in 2019. Some other things happened in 2020 and 2021. >> Sure did. >> That slowed down a lot of activity. There is a scorecard and that's what we wanted to look at because we didn't want to reinvent a wheel that had already been accomplished and many of the items
have made good progress and some we may go back and say we don't want to do that but we we think this is worthy of taking another look at. >> Yeah. And my comment wasn't directed at you but we had my friend the former chair who used to come and tell us we're not implementing
it. We're not implementing it and when in fact we were. That's That's all. >> Okay. >> Thank you. Uh so I there's a motion. I think you seconded it. >> Any further discussion? Take a vote. Mr. Smith, >> these are on my changes. >> Yes,
>> you do have a citizen speak. >> Steven's here. >> Stephen, >> three minutes. >> Yes. uh having worked on the long range committee uh planning committee 23 years ago or more um the economic development
committee is recommended for being formed under the long range comprehensive plan. So I think it would be >> it would be nice if there was some back reference to the charge of this of the
committee to say in so instead of uh getting into the weeds about focusing on this or that or the other thing to simply point to the uh select board's goals and the long range as you know as in accordance with that's what I had
something along the lines of uh in accordance with the goals set forth in long range comprehensive ive plan and the select board. So people because up until now I would say that the long range comprehensive plan has been largely invisible. Every once in a while
it pops up, but this would show this is what we're supposed to be doing. This is why we were formed. here's the goals without the the overall goals that were uh approved at town meeting as opposed to uh you know a laundry list let's say
here of you know oh we're going to focus on the and that so anyway that's my suggestion is that it be that way it's more open and it doesn't sound like a laundry list of who our winners are and losers. Thank you >> Mr. Mr. Niccastro. I I can't go along with that and I don't
want to talk about the long range plan and we may talk about it on the next agenda item. That's something that was put together a generation ago. This is 2026. I don't think we should be referring specifically to the goals and objectives of the board or the goals or the long range plan. the the I'll stand by the
motion that's on the table which is and I'll clarify it's to approve this charge as written with the uh suggested language that I offered. Is that seconded by you miss I'm sorry it is a motion's edition
>> and for a vote Mr. Smith what say you >> I >> Mr. Niccastro >> I miss potachi I >> Mr. says I >> and the chair says I as well. Thank you very much to the committee and to you, Lucia. Great job. Um you do have you have a bunch of superstars there, so go get them. >> That's it's a really good committee.
It's >> and thank you for the discussion. >> You bet. >> Okay, next item on the agenda is the discussion following our mass design public hearing that we had last sorry. The next item on the agenda is the discussion following the mass dot design hearing that we had held last week. um
whether to proceed or with or terminate the project. This is a select board agenda item that was requested by Dina Castro on the 9th of June. Um I know there's folks that want to speak this evening. I would like to suggest that we keep our comments to three minutes um
and my discretion. So if uh folks are on a roll of making great points, then it'll be at my discretion whether you go over three minutes or not. But I really would like to uh limit the discussion. It's already 7:15. But this is a very important discussion in my mind. Um, so we're going to interpret to Dean and then uh we're going to do we're going to
go around here and then we're going to go to the public. Okay, >> Mr. Castro. >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Um, my opening comments are going to be very brief. I'll keep my substantive remarks until after we hear from the public. Um, I wanted to clarify one thing. Um, because
we heard from Mr. Msina early earlier um when the we had the public hearing last week um my quest my inquiry that was read for me by my my colleague uh Miss Potach was simply a question asking for some information about whether there was
a mechanism uh for the town to assume control and ownership of the intersection. I did not offer a proposal to do that. I just really wanted to make that that clarification. The second and final comment at this time is that um I
appreciate all the work that has been done by the town staff and the consultants and the department of transportation on this. Um uh I just think it's time for the select board to make a determination one way or the other as to whether we're going to
continue with it. That's why I requested the agenda item. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. >> Thank you, Mr. Castro. This evening, we also have Bridget Meyers on online. She's the engineer on the project and I think she had some different visualizations. I'll I'll defer to the board first and then go to those. Corey,
any comment prior to seeing new slides or anything or refresh slides or Randy, anything? >> I'll let her present her hersid, but I would like to say something. Yeah. >> Okay. All right. Randy, anything? >> I'll also um wait. >> Okay. Okay. Bridget, I understand you
have some some updated slides or refresh slides, if you will. A different look. I think one of the requests by folks that I spoke to, Mr. Niccastro being one, was to see the kind of the lights from a different angle from east, from north and south coming out of old Queen in and Crow rather than rather than north and
south coming out of uh on Main Street. So, if you have something that kind of can visualize the lights, it would be great. Bridget, >> yeah, we um share my screen. >> Can you see that? you can.
>> So, yeah, we took the images that were from the design public hearing slides and just kind of tweaked them a little bit. We were just trying to look at um ways to just get the masked arm to be more to scale as best we could given that we're dealing with like a
photoshopped image and different angles and depth perception and whatnot. But, um so, you know, one of the angles that was requested was the queen looking north. So that's what you're looking at here. Um so we've got the mast arm. That's where all the signals would be.
These other posts are just the pedestrian um ped signals with the push buttons. And then next one would be this is Cra looking south as you're approaching the intersection. Cemetery on the left.
>> Can't see the lights. >> I can't we can't really see the lights. Bridget. Yeah. [clears throat] Can you can you zoom in? Can you zoom in a little? >> Oh, yeah. Let me try to zoom in. Hold on. >> Please. Yeah. Thank you. >> Oh, there you go. >> Yeah, this this view was a little
further back, so that's why it was a little harder to see. >> And and and that that's one hanging hanging all the signals. And before before we had two, I believe, hanging all the signals, >> right? Yeah. The original design had a
mass arm coming from the same location at this corner, but it would have been shorter. And then there was another one coming from this island. However, Massadot had a safety concern about the one off the island. Um, just concerned about like trucks like hitting it. So, that's why they asked us to remove it
from the island. And just based on the geometry of this intersection, there's really not a lot of options to get a second mast arm in a location where it would be able to line up with the with the lanes as you as we need to do. So that's why um we went with the one
longer mast arm that would have all of the signals. >> Missing a Castro. >> Yeah. So I'm just trying to understand this is north and south. So you have the arm of the gantry going >> sort of across >> that right
>> that queen in and cool road line. So what do you have in the in in the east west direction? >> Is there another arm to the gantry? >> No, it's one arm. It's just the signal. >> This one's probably easier. This is
eastbound. So this is looking east. So, it's just one arm and it's just the signal heads. The signal heads are located and they' be angled at different locations. So, you'd have these ones facing eastbound. You can see the back.
>> So, all these black ones are facing >> that would be that would be for the the what we see the back of those those would be for people coming west from Main Street. And then if I zoom in a little bit, you can kind of see this one
showing a red light there and as well as this one here. And those are facing crawl road. And then you've got the reverse of that kind of on the back of >> And what are what are those posts that look like they're about 5t high? There's one right there.
>> Yeah, these are the pedestrian signals. So, these are the ones that just have like the push button and it would have the the face with the um like the orange hand or the white walking symbol for when for pedestrians crossing with the countdown. >> Okay. And how many of
>> how many of those are there? >> There are I believe um I believe there's eight or nine. I have a plan. I can >> Okay. >> Could could you show the the the Queen Road one up close? We we saw it at a
distance. Thank you, Mr. Chair. >> Yep. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> You see that? >> Yes. Thank you. Thank you. >> Yes. Thank you, Mr. Castro. Bridget, the the other thing I heard um at the hearing and thereafter was the the width
of this road is off-putting and people complain that, oh my god, we've got a highway here. It's been referred to by as Route 95 in one one email. Um, can can you is there an overlay that we can see that will kind of tell us what our current
>> the current width of of the uh intersection is and what the proposed width is? Could you have something that shows us that? >> Yes. So, this plan here shows the existing and the proposed edge
of pavement. So, the edge of the roadway um like the curb line the I'll zoom in a little bit. The red lines that you're seeing are the existing edge of pavement and the blue lines are the proposed. So what we've got is kind
of a back and forth like a mix of areas where we were have some widening and also areas where the curb is coming out further into the road than it is today. You can see that more clearly on this um this is main street right here. This is
the west side. So the Codto kitchen is right here. Um the red line is the existing curb line. We're actually bumping the curve out into the road further. So this side of the road gets narrower. And then on the opposite side, we do have it's getting wider a little
bit there. But you can see we're dealing we're actually in this location, the road's actually getting a little narrower um at the end. And at the end, we tie back in. um in the middle of the intersection
where things are getting a little tighter actually. So like the approach at Queen Anne, you've got 75 ft is the existing curve to curve at this location and then because we're bumping out the curve at this corner, we're going down to 64T.
Um but then as you go down Fand, we do have some widening. So [sighs] we're, you know, the road's getting wider as you go down a little bit. So, we're going 27 to 36 feet here. And then as we get to the project limits, we are
roughly back a little bit wider, but we're tied back into the existing on Main Street on the east side. So, the church would be right here in this corner. Um, so because we bumped out the curb here, we are pulling back the curb
on the corner here. So, this is um getting wider on this end. But then the widening is just kind of minor along the along the course of this lane. Um this is probably one of the areas that's has the most widening. Um because we have to
fit in this left turn lane. That's primarily the reason there. Um and then road is pretty much staying the same. I guess this this exact point is getting a little narrower. Um because we're actually around this corner with the
cemetery right here. We're actually bumping the curve line out into the road. Um the red is the existing edge of pavement. So around the corner here, like this is the crawl road approach.
Um getting a little bit and we're going from 50 to 52, but again buffing out here, widening on this end. So you kind of got a mix of some strips where we're widening and then some areas where we're actually pulling a curve in. So,
>> um, as far as like roadway pavement itself, the increase is it's just over,00 square feet total. >> Ma'am, Mr. Castro, Mr. Chairman, thank you for getting those um matters um
shown. I just I had a question about the bike lanes on So, we my recollection is from from the hearing is that you're proposing Bridget to add uh bike lanes on um Croll Road and Queen
Anne Road. Is that correct? >> Yes. >> Um now, was there um a a usage study done of the bicycling that's done um in in that
north south direction that you've Is there data on that? Because I I I I guess I'll mention it because historically before we had the Cape Cod Rail Trail extension,
>> we had uh our bikeways committee designed um a a recreational loop, I guess I would call it, >> and they still use that. But I'm I'm just wondering how much of that is purely recreational.
Um do we know? Maybe there's no way of knowing. And how much is it really uh people commuting to to work for example as opposed to the east west passage where you probably see more people commuting to work although I ran into some recreational bikers this this
afternoon coming to this meeting. Um, it would seem to me that if Coral Road, Queen Anne Road is um purely for recreational or mostly for recreational bicycle passage.
I I find it harder to justify putting a bicycle route on a bicycle lanes on on on in that direction. But do we know do we have any data to that kind of supports what what we're proposing here? That's my question.
>> Um I would have to see if we have the bike counts in our general traffic camp data. Um however, typically that's not taken into consideration when we're working on these designs. There's, you know, the mass healthy transportation
policy. So, you know, it's required to add bike accommodations. Um and we do know and we did know like you mentioned that this is part of the um town's designated bike route. So it's not based on the data for numbers of bikes. Um
that's typically how projects are handled, you know, even statewide because a lot of times if there's nothing out there, no one's biking. So then therefore nothing would ever get built if you had to increase it on usage. Um, but that is just based on policy is why we have the bike lanes
proposed on prowl and commian. >> Thank you. Thank you, Bridget. I'm going to recognize Corey and then I'm going to go to Mikey Anderson online. Corey, thank you, Mr. Chair. I mean, this is not a new discussion we've had in this intersection. It has been years and years and years we've we've reviewed
this to discuss it and whatever. My position really hasn't changed much, Sam. There's nothing new that's been added that convinces me to change my opinion. Statistically, this is really not a dangerous intersection. Has it there never been an accident? No. But this is
an area that has really statistically not been a dangerous intersection. Um there is universal agreement. We need to make some maintenance issues, fixing the lights, and some other issues that there's there's been no disagreement on that. And I think there's been a lot of
concern that continuing this tip project um we're just pre preventing some of that maintenance to move forward. Um, I appreciate, you know, going through the process. We we we said we're going to get to the 25% design stage. Um, I look at other projects in our surrounding
communities that have been done recently with some of these improvements and I shake my head. I really do. If we move forward with this respectfully, we're just going to keep peeling away at some of the historical character of the town. Um, we we talk so much about preservation, keeping the character of
the town, and we we we focus, I mean, previous speaker earlier this evening, we talked about the Mitchell River Bridge. We talk about other historic sites. We start changing this. It's just an opening the door of of changing more of our character, which I believe many people don't want to do. They want to
preserve the character. Um, it's it's um I I don't necessarily know if it's the town should take over it. I do think there is some merit that we should understand what the consequence is and what exactly that does mean. Um but I think we should absolutely figure a way
to move forward as quickly as possible to get these maintenance things done. Um and I'm not sold that this 25% tip project is is the best path to achieve that. So uh I I mean I respect everyone's going to I'm expecting some people are going to be for this project tonight. I expect some people are going
to be against this project tonight. Um, you know, we've been years kicking the can down the road to some degree. I'd rather see us getting be more proactive from this board um to get the maintenance done quicker and um maintain the character of the of the
community because I think once we we we go down that road and approve that 25% I think there's going to be some regrets. My opinion. Thank you. >> Did you want Chief Anderson? >> Uh Mr. Chief Anderson, um I'm gonna
recognize you, please. You had your hand up. >> Yeah. Thanks. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um just I I do have some data to address Dean and Corey's uh comments. Um Dean mentioned bicyclists. We we did some data that goes back to 2009.
Um since that date regarding pedestrians, uh we've had zero pedestrian involved uh in motor vehicle crashes. However, uh we've had seven bicyclists. So, in the in the in the in the number of crashes that go back to
2009, whether they were major or minor, um we had 47 zero of that number is serious injury crashes and again zero pedestrian involvement uh but seven bicyclist involvement. And then to
address Corey's uh comment about this being a safe intersection, the the data supports that uh we do have some other uh intersections that might have fewer crashes, but they result in more serious injuries. For example, um Stony Hill at
Orleans Road. So, um it's it's just an it's just an interesting number with the data that zero pedestrians. Uh, however, seven bicyclists. Uh, thank you. >> Thank you. Uh, Chief, any other early
comments by members of the board? Well, I I I will make a comment. Um, I vehemently disagree with Mr. Meadow's position. Um, the data may not support the dangerousness of this intersection, but reality does. I I drive it every day. Um, I had issues just the day
before yesterday going to church. A guy in a bicycle in front of me. There was a truck blocking the the intersection. He wanted to take a left on a crawl road. I wanted to go straight. Didn't leave me enough room. I couldn't get to the right. Had to had to wait. Light turns yellow, then red. Oh, and then the pedestrians come walking across. They go
hip hopping, scampering from island to island, looking, waiting for a light where they can go across. That intersection is a five road nightmare. Um, and and in terms of I take immediate umbrage with the notion that that's an
historical gateway to our town. I've lived in here. I've lived here since 1976. And when I landed here, there were two gas stations in that. There was a Gulf station on one side and a Texico station on the other. And now we have well, we have a a Mexican restaurant next to a
chain pharmacy and a village market on an office building across the street. Now they grace our important gateway to our town. Um, You're saying if we do this, it's going to the the finance committee has made it a cause cbra to to to not go along with this with this.
This they have a mantra for years that this is an awful thing to do. Well, it's an awful thing to accept uh a $5 million infusion in our infrastructure that makes it our roadway safe for both pedestrians and vehicles. Why would the finance committee weigh in against that?
Because we're urbanizing the gateway with with lights that make sense that rationalize the traffic and crosswalks that allow people to get across. I don't think that's urbanizing. So, do we like bent signals? The the the signals are bent on shafts there like they're bent
in the wind. Yes. If we if we're not if you're going to say we're going to reject this, what is our plan to improve it? What is then our plan to improve it? Is safety not our number one issue other than the environment and water and and schools? It's right on our goals and
objectives. I I just I I don't understand it. Yes, it took years to get here, but we now we're here and to say outright that we're going to reject it. We're leaving and we have a history of leaving big money on the table. Million dollars here, $5 million here. We we have a
proclivity for that. We have a history of it. I I don't understand. I really don't. I'm sorry I'm pontificating, but you know, billion dollars for the council on aging. We lost the boat to Orleans. The boat house some miraculously come back. If we say no to this, I was told the tips getting back
on the tip is not an option. You're not going to ever get masked up monies or federal monies again to improve this intersection. Um, we have a potentially 150 parking places going to be on depot road. 15,000 vehicles traverse there every day. I I'm sorry. It's a It's our
It's our arguably our worst intersection in town. And we have now a proposal that is going to give us $5 million to improve it. Why would we say no? Because we're urbanizing the gateway to our town. How so? We have Mexican restaurants and we have
the yuyu is right there. There's our gateway. They haven't messed with the yo-yo. What What else? I I I just don't I I don't know. I guess it's the the turning lanes. We have a turning lane that allows people to be safe. And we have
pedestrian signals that allow pedestrians to be safe. The pedestrian walks there are horrible. They're horrible. Um change is difficult, but and I'm I'm probably in the minority here. Um, but proudly so because I think
we're foolish to leave $5 million on the table to improve our infrastructure that allows our vehicular traffic and our pedestrians and our bike riders be more safe in the beautiful entry to our town. You can stop in Dakota and have music.
I mean, I I don't I just don't get it. People come screaming down the hill. You're trying to take a left into Croll. You got to wait for a break. You lose the light. it it that intersection is a nightmare. So, we have a traffic safety committee that said they weighed in in favor. We got a bikeways committee says they
weighed in in favor. And typically, we we like to abide by what our committee say. I would like to hear from the chief of the fire chief to understand from a fire the fireman's perspective from what we're doing uh what how this could potentially assist the fire department or not as the
case may be. I understand now and I I I would like some understanding on how we control the lights now, Justin. And and are we able our ambulances are, but our our fire trucks aren't able to control the signals at an intersection. And how do you view how do you view this update?
I don't mean to put you on the spot, but I I feel feel pretty strongly as you can see. >> Good evening everybody. Uh Fire Chief Justin Tavano. >> There you go. >> Uh um so to answer the first part, uh Mr. chair. Um, as far as controlling the
lights, right now, um, our ambulances have what we call an opticom system. Our our fire engines and ladder truck do not. Um, currently no lights, uh, in Chadam have the equipment installed on those for us to have any control of the
lights. Um, so the reason that the engines in the ladder truck don't have them is they typically don't head into the big bigger municipalities like Yarmouth and Hyannis where a majority of those lights are installed. Um,
but our ambulance is obviously transporting to Cape Cod Hospital do travel through those intersections. So, um, it's it's a passive control device. Uh there's a strobe light uh built into our our um emergency lighting system. When that optically um sees the strobe
light on the on the light on the traffic light itself, uh the two marry each other and that's what controls the light system. So it's passive control. Um we have no like manual control over them. Um it certainly uh creates an advantage for
us. um they are um programmable. Uh what I would suggest if if we if if we do move move forward with this project or or even uh move forward with just replacing the lights um installing the equipment um what the way that the most
lights are set up is that the travel direction of the emergency vehicle stays green while the other directions turn red. Mhm. >> Um because of the nature of the fiveway, five roads coming together, uh my my concern a little bit would be that it
would misread what direction we're traveling in versus another vehicle. So, what I would recommend is to have the entire intersection turn red >> um for us to be able to it would stop traffic in every direction to allow us to move forward. Um, as it stands right
now, when we respond down um to the west, we come down Depot Road and we have to we we travel the wrong way through that intersection. Um, looking at the plans, um, you know, it has that that median grows in size a little bit compared to what's there. Um, it's not
really going to speed up our response in any way, um, or slow it down. We're still going to have to come to pretty close to a stop to make sure we we um travel through that intersection safely. Um especially if if we move in a direction where we do have control
devices. Um we still are are obligated to stop at red lights even with our lights and sirens on. Um so I'm I'm hoping I'm touching on some of the important pieces that you have that you're that you're interested in. Um, as far as my my feeling about the the
project overall, um, transparently as a as a as a non-resident employee of the town, um, looking forward, it's not going to be my my tax dollars that have to, uh, maintain it and improve it. Um, I defer
to the folks that uh design things like this and and and move forward with the assumption that they are uh attempting not just to to balance the flow of the intersection, the the flow of the traffic, but also to prioritize safety. Um, so I can't imagine that they're
putting together uh and putting forward a design that's going to uh that's going to be to the detriment of safety. I can only imagine that it's that it's, you know, all the studies that they've done is only going to improve it. Um, and and I and we're as public safety, the police, fire department, our interest
lies solely in the safety of the people in vehicles, people on bikes, and the people on foot. Um, so, you know, if this is if if the experts, if the engineers are weighing in and they're saying that this is going to improve safety, um, then it's certainly
something that I can't oppose. Thank you, Chief. Any questions for the chief? Uh, Mr. Niccastro? >> Yeah, I have a question for the chief and then I have a question for the police chief and the design engineer. But chief, um, if this plan were
rejected, what would it take to equip your um, fire suppression vehicles, your your engines to be able to control that signal either passively or ma or manually?
>> Yeah. Um it will you install >> putting putting the equipment on the lights themselves on the on the the infrastructure the street infrastructure lights um and also installing equipment on the apparatus. Um >> so so those those lights currently
belong to the state. Last week I I thought I heard um the state official um say that the fire department can control those lights now. That's what I thought I heard. But maybe Bridget has a comment
on that. We'd have to get state approval to in in uh install the equipment on the lights themselves. I don't know how expensive this all would be. I I I I know as far as installing the equipment on the trucks, um the last time we got a
quote on that was a few years ago um when this intersection was part of our discussions. Yeah. >> Um and at that time, I believe it was about between $1,500 and $2,000 per per truck. Bridget, would we if we were to go in that direction, what's the likelihood of
the state agreeing to let it letting us put uh this equipment on the um on the lights so that the fire engines can pass through there and control the the lights. >> Yeah. Um I mean I don't think they would
have an issue with it. I think the issue that we have out there is that the existing signal posts that you have out there now are are pretty short. Um, and based on where they are, because the way it works that the cameras that are that you'd mount on the signal posts need
clear sight lines to where the emergency vehicles will be coming from in order to read them. So, we're not optimistic that how things are laid out there right now today, even if you put them on there, that they work well because of the clear the sighteline issue. So,
>> okay. >> Um, you might be looking at a situation where you'd have to, you know, update the signals >> in some way. >> All right. Thank you. I'll def I have a question that it's not related to to this, but I'll if other there are other
questions for the fire chief, I'll I'll defer. >> Yeah. Other questions by the board to the fire chief? Any comments? Thank you, Chief. Please stick around. I'm going to turn to the public now um and uh solicit comments. Uh three minutes, please. Uh Mr. Levit,
Ella, >> I'm the assistant. Rick, I mean, I was going to say thank you, Mr. Chairman. Where did he go? >> Right here. Ah,
>> with the stroke my vision and my sight has been affected but not my vision. >> We're working on the vision. We're working on the site. Thank you, Mr. chairman for this
opportunity to speak. I spoke at the uh earlier [snorts] presentation of the Crow Road Main Street intersection improvements last week. I recommended a different design
that will greatly improve safety, cost less, and importantly preserve Chadam's historic character. I want to follow up. My comments really follow up on Mr. Msina's comments
earlier. It is well it is a well well established well known road design. and engineering principle that adding
or widening lanes to existing roads invites more traffic. So if you want more traffic in Chadam and downtown, build more roads. That's what this proposal is all about. [snorts] We can do it differently.
Chadam spent millions of dollars eliminating a turning lane in West Cadam recently. We're all very familiar with that saga. We should be asking ourselves, why add lanes
to the Main Street, Crow Road, Queen Anne Road intersection? Why should we be adding more lanes in Chadam to invite more traffic to Chadam? For example, why not also
the Main Street Meeting House Road intersection and the old Queen Anne Road intersection with Main Street? They carry heavy traffic. Let's do that there, too. And while we're at it, let's get DOT more
more DOT money and do it for all the big intersections on Route 28 from South Chadam all the way to downtown. will have a wonderful time building roads in Chattam and inviting more traffic.
That's the issue that Frank Bassina and I are harping on. You're changing the character of Chadam, the historic character of Chadam. The reason we don't add more
lanes at Meeting House Road and Main Street and old Queen Anne Road and Main Street and maybe Pleasant Street and Main Street in South Shadow and all of the other intersections with Main Street
is it's unnecessary to do that. Not that it changes the character of Chadam. It certainly does that. But you think about it, it's unnecessary. Why? Route 28 was designed more than a
century ago as a pass through highway for the Cape. Pass through Get in your buggy, go on a Sunday stroll and ride ride down the Cape and pass through
developed areas, pass through village centers. Route 28 was designed Route 28 and other pass through roads were designed to accommodate people on a journey. Chattam is a
destination. It's not a pass through community. Route 28 as it is designed today is a I won't use the word. It's old-fashioned.
It needs to be updated. When Route 6 was extended from Hyannis to Orleans decades ago, it was intended to replace existing pass through highways on Cape Cod, Route 28, Route
6A, and others. Rick, with all due respect, you've been way way beyond three minutes. Um, >> I request uh an opportunity to take more time on >> I'll give you again another minute or so, Rick, but we have a lot of people, I think, that want to speak, and I did
make the statement that it was going to be three three minutes. >> Not a public hearing, Mr. Chairman. I have a lot to say. >> This is not a public hearing, sir. We allow public comment. Public hearing was last week. >> I'm going to say this then. Chadam has been a leader on the Cape. We lead in
our innovative wastewater management program, our brilliant school regionalization plan, and with our deep commitment to preserving Chadam's historic character, witness the Mitchell River Bridge
restoration. We do not have to sacrifice safety to preserve Chadam's historic character. Thank you. >> Thank you, Rick. Thanks for the comments. Um, would anybody else like >> I didn't get enough time to make my
comments, Mr. Chair. >> Okay. >> So, I got to walk back now. Any other comments? Joanie, Craig, and then Evan. >> Good evening. Thank you for the opportunity. I am not speaking for the
traffic safety committee of which I am chair, but I will reiterate what was mentioned earlier that we were in favor. There were four members of our committee back in May of May 28th who uh were at our meeting and we voted in favor of the
presentation as presented last week. I am now speaking as a taxpayer of the town. I've been a taxpayer of this town since 1987. I am questioning why after 10 plus years of planning for the muchneeded
improvement and in this intersection would the select board and individuals in this town even consider stepping away from the tip program at this late stage. We're talking 5 million plus dollars that is not coming out of our pockets to
fix a dangerous intersection. It is a dangerous intersection. I'm here to refute previous statements that this is not a safety issue. It is a safety issue for cars, bicycles, and pedestrians and pedestrians with
carriages and bicycles with extensions on them. There is no ability for any pedestrian or biker to walk across any of the six intersections in a safe manner. I have written witnessed many
near misses on numerous occasions both car to car and pedestrian biker and biker to to cars and pedestrians to cars. At the mass dot public hearing on June 24th, there were negative comments
regarding all the pedestrian posts that would be added. I think they're very tastefully done. I wonder how many of you realize that there are currently seven, I repeat, seven very outdated and unattractive
yellow traffic signals at that intersection. As noted at the hearing, there will be one traffic post. You saw it in closeup this evening. I think it's tastefully done. It does nothing to dis
dismay me anyway about the character of that area. just one post along with the additional pedestrian posts which again I think are very tastefully done. [clears throat] They're needed for the safety of our pedestrians, our bikers,
and our automobiles. To even consider turning this intersection over to the town to update, make safe and include ADA approve approvals on my dime. And actually, I would like to know what my dime is going to be. How
much would it cost the town? And perhaps someone here might give us some information about the financial um issues that the town itself, you, me, and everyone might face. It's offensive
to say the least, especially when individuals have worked so diligently through and with Mass DOT to see this project complete. Currently, our DPW director and his staff are doing their best to keep up with the day-to-day businesses assigned
to them. Why, I ask again, would we place such a costly burden on them to oversee a new start from scratch project when we're almost at the finish line and the cost is picked up by the state and
not the town. I ask you, our board, to think really seriously and carefully before you vote on this. And I might add that that's it. Thank you. >> Thank you, Joanie. Uh Evan Howard, you
had your r your hand up. Recognize Evan. >> [clears throat] >> My name's Evan Howard from Chadam. I'm a fairly new recent resident to this beautiful town.
My background was for nearly 25 years I was a professional bike racer and I race internationally. In my opinion, the intersection from a bicyclist
standpoint is a dangerous intersection. The roads in Chadam in and of themselves are very narrow. They themselves present some danger. Having lived here now for three and a
half years and ridden through the intersection both in a bike and a car, I deem it as dangerous and I concur with Mr. Dyken's feelings and opinions.
However, I'm curious. I know that there's strong sentiment in opposition, but I would like to hear a clear explanation of what the opposition's fallback plan B is in lie of this
project. I've heard nothing concrete as plan B and I'd like to hear that. >> Thank you. Thank you, Evan. Uh Mr. Buckley for three minutes.
Yes. Thanks, Steve Buckley. Um, at the hearing last week, um, I don't think I got an I tried to get some even a teeny little bit uh the design that our engineer uh that we paid for uh is allowed to do.
I understand mass DOT has uh requirements and so forth and so uh but a lot of these as we've learned from West Chadam they can they're a little flexible they can add things and I'm just wondering at this time and hopefully uh get an answer from I'm
hoping the uh our engineer could answer you know if there was something small and I brought up last week the idea of having some p uh keeping the pedestrian cur curbed curbed islands at the mouth
of Croll Road and at the mouth of Queen Anne as if only for a uh yes snowplow drivers. Yes, they get those things out of there. I understand that. But from the point of view of perhaps making it a little more uh traffic
calming, people are apt to slow down a little bit even unconsciously if they see a curb up ahead as opposed to the painted striped, you know, imaginary islands. So I just want to know it's like will we jeopardize the whole project if we ask,
you know, say, "Oh, what if what if we were to keep that? What what would it cost the town to keep those? and is there a reason to uh not put them there? >> Thank you, Steve. And I I'll turf it to Bridget if you might, Bridget. You heard his question. If we had modifications,
which potentially might include Mr. Buckley's Islands, but if we had other modifications as well, how amunable what kind of a warm ear does mass dot give? But we we did have some give and take back and forth with them on the roundabouts in West Chatam. So, I just would like your opinion. We'd like your opinion.
>> Yes. Um right. Yeah, design changes can still be made. Um, you know, it's just as long as it still, you know, meets their guidelines and policies basically like we can't, you know, suggesting to like get rid of the bike lanes, we
cannot do, but um, you know, we can curb lines or yeah, smaller adjustments. Um, I know we did talk about the the islands at the meeting last week. Um, and I and I provided some reasoning for that why we did not have that there. But yes,
there are things like that that if comments are made, we can take them, see if they can be done in a way that's not, you know, that would still be approved. And yes, there is the leeway. >> And is and is the mechanism to do that to to write a comment online or to them or uh communicate through you or what's
the best mechanism? >> It would be I mean it depends. It could be through us. we could relay comments to the town. If it's something really minor, you know, we would likely just incorporate it in our next submitt. Um, if it was something more that we felt like we needed their okay on. We would
run it by them. But yeah, it could be either way. If you would like to go straight to the Mass TPM, you can do that. We would still get it or it can go through us. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, okay. Thank you, Bridget. All's in your court. Thanks. >> Yep. Thank you. I would like to ask uh
Rob Faley to come forward, please. Um Rob, I have a couple simple questions. Um the the the notion of our taking over the maintenance of those polls or whatever if we were to reject the
proposed project. Um the notion of even having any kind of control there. Do we have the expertise in the Department of Public Works to take over the the maintenance of those poles? But most of them are are a kilter listing like they've been bent by the wind uh um in desperate need of remediation um by
somebody. If we were to take it over who would do that? >> Uh thank you, Mr. Chair. It's a great question. Um we don't have that um technological expertise in house. I know that uh those signals are obsolete. They're I don't know what the circuit
is. I know three of them were replaced last year, but it was the same I believe it was the same technology just replaced. Um I believe there are some contracted contractors that do maintain signals that would have to be on call. I would estimate that to be probably a $5
$50,000 a year contract to have them on call to maintain a signal. Cadam does not have any other operable traffic signals in town. Uh, one exception is the um the pedestrian signal across from DPW, which is basically a a glorified uh
crosswalk >> and the drawbridge. >> Yeah, but that's a that's slightly different, but there is a maintenance contract for that as well. >> Rob, if we if we wanted to make our sidewalks in the at that intersection there and the crosswalks ADA compliant, how would we
go how would we as a town go about doing that? Well, again, it would have to be at the approval of Mass DOT. It's their intersection. So, uh, any design plans, we would have to hire an engineer consultant, somebody similar to HSH Bridget, um, and have that designed and
run through the vetting process with Mass DOT for 25, 75, and 100% design plans. >> Right. Um, okay. Thank you. Uh, Mr. Smith, you have a hand up? >> I do. Uh I I I'm not sure how maybe I
missed a something, but um are we talking about taking over the inter? This is a state intersection. I don't I don't remember I don't remember saying that we were going to take over an intersection. >> No, the the the notion by Mr. Niccastro asked at the last hearing via Randy
Potach was whether or not we could uh take over certain functions there um if we were to reject the So I was asking the question about that. >> Yeah. Okay. the that's not our only option. I I just want to point out that it's not either we do this project or
the town takes it over. The the fact of the matter there is other options. One of which is we don't we get off the tip and the state of Massachusetts maintains their intersection to the standard that they're supposed to maintain. >> And the leverage we have in so doing,
they haven't done it for years >> because we're on the tip. >> We're off the tip. This inter >> you're going to put this another project on the tip and say please maintain the lights. >> This intersection is on the tip >> is my point. The reason they're not maintaining I went over there today. I
don't even paint the crosswalks. I mean the reason they're not maintaining it is because they believe that we are going to we we voted to go to the 25%. I guess I could see that to see what was going on. >> Um and uh so I don't
it's a state project. It's a state intersection. If we're not on the tip, then they'll maintain it. The reason they're not maintaining it is because we're on the tip and they think they're going to replace the intersection. >> That's my point. I mean, I I I honestly think that if we if we get off the tip,
they're not going to pay any attention to us. >> Oh, I think they will. >> I Well, we'll see. >> They're going to maintain their intersection. They own it. >> They haven't maintained it for years >> because we're on the tip >> for 14 years. >> For That's ridiculous in itself that we've been talking about this for 14 years. just travel down Route 28 is
ridiculous. >> But we have a $5 million project in front of us will will not make it ridiculous. And I, you know, I would not I I could not in my in conscience vote against terminating voting to terminate this project without some kind of plan B
that makes that intersection safe. There are five roads there. It's clearly a danger to pedestrians and vehicles alike. It is clearly. I'm sorry. It's not two roads converging. It's five roads converging. Five. You know, I've been >> It's very confused and especially in the
summertime. Very confusing. >> You know, I've been transiting these roads since 1962. And uh and there are a half a dozen more dangerous intersections in this community than this intersection. Uh Frank Msine is
quite correct. All of these roads and miss and Mr. Levit, all these roads were built for horse and buggy. But what do we do? We keep jamming them with more and more and more visitors. What I'm suggesting is there's a time to say no. And when I hear the state of
Massachusetts at the hearing say we would like our intersections to look uniform from here to Felmouth, I don't want this intersection to look like Yarmouth, Felmouth, and every other community that has failed to keep their character through their lack of zoning
and planning regulations. So, um I I I haven't supported this. I think you should put a dagger in this thing and kill it and move on and get the state of Massachusetts to maintain their intersection. They own it. If we're off it, they'll fix it. You >> guarantee that still.
>> Uh that's what I'm hearing from the state is that they they will maintain it. They could I asked could they redo the curbing? Could they add the ADA ramps? Could they straighten the light poles that blow over in the wind? Could they paint them? Could they paint the crosswalk? All of the things that normal
agencies do. Of course, we're not going to ask our DPW to do that. That's that's just >> Well, the question was posed. >> Okay. Well, that's not what I'm suggesting. >> Thank you, Miss Potach. >> Thank you. So, can I'd like to ask Bridget a question about a possible plan
B if you know um what uh Stu just said about all those repairs that it would be in the purview of the state to do. Is it true that us being on the tip um prevents normal everyday um repairs to
be made? It seems like maybe the theme is well we're going to fix that whole area so it's not worth you know making it safer today. So if I just also want to point out just for the public because people have asked me what is the tip? So it's the transportation improvement
plan. Is that accurate Bridget? And um and if you could answer that question if if it's possible for you to answer please. >> Yes. Um BR is the transportation improvement program. Um I I don't think I could say 100% certainty the the
reasoning on that if that's why they're not coming in. That's more of a district maintenance um issue and that's I guess not something we're typically involved in. So I can't say for sure yes or no if that's the reason why they haven't come in. Um, but I guess I would add if they
do come in to do maintenance to upgrade it to ADA compliance. Um, it's likely that they're still going to have to upgrade all the signals because of how old they are. Um, you would still need pedestrian signals at all of any new crosswalk you put in and that would be
need to be tied to the signal system. Um, so it's not just ramps. you'd still end up with all of the PE signal posts and likely updated signals. Um, and I guess I can't guarantee if they would go mass arm or not. That's why, you know, once
it's if they're doing it on their own. >> Thank you, Bridget. Mr. Niccastro. >> Thank you, Mr. Chair. I I I I do know that there are some other public comments that are anticipated, but I would like to um make a comment and ask a question of Bridget and and the police chief. Um the
comment is as I heard Mr. Courier say last week um if you want to depend on the state coming in to maintain you're going to wait a long time. Um I don't know
whether that was related to the fact that it was on the tip or not but that's that's what he said. Um >> and he's a proponent of this project. >> Yes he is. But my and and my understanding, Bridget, is this is not the question that I want to get to in a moment, but is that
this current plan could not realistically be modified with the state's approval if if you eliminated the bike lanes and if all you really focused on was upgrading the traffic signals or
restoring to um better visual [clears throat] the traffic signals and putting in ADA compliant uh ramps. They won't go along with that. I'm assuming that. Is that a correct assessment? They want they want
complete streets. >> Right. >> Right. They want all this other I'll call it baggage. >> Um Right. So if you went in to do it just through like an access
permit, so like if the town was to take it off the tip and pay for the construction themselves, um you still need an access permit for the work related to the intersection. And yes, it still involves a lot of the same process with um the bike and ped
requirements. Um, it's the only things I think you you might be able to get away from is potentially the bike lanes on Queen and Crow just because those are town roads, but they do come into the intersection. So, that's why I'm afraid to say that
with like 100% certainty. Um, if you were to upgrade it without the left turn lanes, there might be a way to do it without mass arms. But then if mass's reviewing it, they still might
require them. I think that when I was thinking of that situation, it was like if the town ended up taking over um the roadway and doing everything on their own, there may be a way without the mass arm, but you wouldn't be able to do any of the left turn pockets just cuz you
need them to line up. Um but you'd still end up with more signal posts than you have today. Um but that would likely only be if the town took over the road. >> Yeah. I'm not I'm not talking about the town taking it over. I'm talking about it's it remaining on the tip, getting
the state to pony up the money, but to do much less than than is being proposed. >> Oh, to remain on the tip. >> Yeah. To remain on the tip that I mean, this is the design. Yeah. As we have it. >> So, here's >> Yeah. We've gotten, you know, exceptions
to have some not have sidewalks on both sides. We've got them to remove the path along the church. I'm not sure what else they could. I don't think they'd really be amenable for removing much more from that. >> Yeah. So, here's my question. Um, a month or two ago, we had a discussion at
this board, had nothing to do with the Coral Road intersection about paid parking downtown and and um two members of this board, myself included, have been advocating that for seven years. Um, and it was um basically rejected. We
heard a lot of excuses and resistance um to that um and we turned away money. Um but one of the reasons I know I supported that and I'm a resident of the downtown area is that the downtown is a mess in
the summertime. Um it is a mess for for pedestrians. It's a mess for vehicular traffic. >> [snorts] >> uh it's more than there's more than the street than Main Street downtown can
handle. So my question is if this particular design is implemented and put in place, will we be will we be expediting more traffic coming into the main street
faster such that well the result would be if that that's the case I think it would aggravate and exacerbate an already bad situ situation which nobody seems to really want to deal with seriously. on Main Street. And so, so the question
is simply to you and to the police chief, do you think we're going to get more cars coming into downtown faster if this takes place more efficiently? I guess that's my question. >> I would not think it would because it's
not processing >> the screw traffic faster. Um the actual overall signal phase is getting a little longer because now we have a left turn phase and there's also pedestrian signal phase. Um
so no I would not think it would. >> Okay. Chief Anderson, do you have any Thank you, Bridget. You have any comment on that question? >> Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Mccastro. I think when you say faster, I think I don't
want to put words in your mouth, but I think you mean an increase in volume as opposed to an increase in speed. Um, I I look at this project through the lens of of public safety and risk management. Uh even though I might have said earlier uh the the data shows not
many pedestrian or bicyclist incidents, I agree with many of the speakers tonight that have witnessed close calls or may have been a victim of a close call. Uh any increase in just the fact that the ADA compliance uh in the
improvements of the pedestrian crossings uh that in and of itself, if you do have a a functional pedestrian crossing that pause of an additional whatever time it is for someone to cross the
street. You know, it might not decrease the volume, but it certainly decreases the speed. So, again, I'm going to defer to the engineers on how much volume is going to be increased to the downtown area by an addition to or a widening of a lane. Uh,
I'm I'm going to divert right back to to public safety and look through the lens of risk management and say that any improvements that we make should first be done in in in the in the pedestrian crosswalks uh and and any additional widening or
inclusion of bike lanes. >> Thank you both for your honest answers. >> Thank you, Chief. Thank you, Bridget. Uh, other public comment. I had hands up. Yes, in the back. way in the back. Um, I know I know you.
>> Okay. Yep. >> Please identify yourself and speak directly into the microphone, [laughter] >> Julie Eldrich Dykins. And uh, with all due respect, come on, you guys. The state is offering money to repair an
ugly intersection. Is it going to cause more people to come rushing to Cadam? No. They're already rushing to Cadam. The place is a mess with people. We love the people, but they're here. They're not going to come because we do a new and improved intersection.
The state, I'm guessing, is expert. Its expertise from mass DOT is something to listen to. The place has been an ugly mess for years. The increasing traffic is bike traffic
and scooter traffic. And the bikes are coming from the bike path down to the bike shop and into town. And they're coming down Route 28. And bikes exist and they're a reality. And why are we so afraid of change? We
went through such a routine over the rotaries. And the rotaries are wonderful. We There was such hand ringing. There was hand ringing over uh Ocean State job lot. Hand ringing. It's wonderful. Everybody shops there.
I don't understand the fear. That's all. My mom used to come here in a horsedrawn carriage on roads that no one freaked out about if they changed them or paved them. So, I just don't understand. uh if the constituents are telling you
something, I don't know what's going on, but everyone I've ever talked to about this is in favor of it and is not going to understand if you don't vote for it or if you fight with them. I I don't get it. But thank you for listening to me rant.
>> Thank you, Miss Dens. Eldridge. Elders Dakens. We have Elaine's online. Elaine, your hand is up. [clears throat] >> Uh yes, thank you. Um the June 24th presentation was virtually identical to the last uh
public presentation in 2022 for the 25% design. DOT was supposed to come back in 6 months. It's been three and a half years and according to Tom Courier is still only in the preliminary design stage despite being on the tip for 13
years. Um there are more questions than answers as far as I'm concerned. So what's missing? Uh there are no actual on-site intersection staking has ever been done. So we can actually see the huge increase of the intersection because of the road widening, turning
lanes, bike paths, and multi-purpose sidewalk. No staking has been done showing the actual length and significant height of the retaining wall now required on the northeast side of the 28 opposite the church which has been shifted to the
north because of the church's request to remove the sidewalk on the east side. Those beautiful gardens that are there are going to be lost. That needs to be staked out so the public can see. And um I'd like to know who from DOT happened
to be on the church property at the same time as the town manager Terry Whand and Rob Failey as uh Courier said that resulted in sidewalk removal and who approached DOT from the church. Taxpayer money is being used regardless of source
to fund the project while churches are taxexempt. Resident taxpayers should be given waivers like the DOT gave the church. It's apparently not what you know, but who you know. Rationalizing it after the fact doesn't make it right. There are no uh scale photos of the true
size of those massive masked arms overhead traffic lights for turning lanes. They are much larger than those that are pictured. Um because we can go around and look in Orleans and other places and we know how big they're going to be. There are no schematics of trees
and plant removal locations that will probably be required to significant road widening on Route 28 and Queen along with the land takings and easements. We don't know where they are. That property has to be staked out. No locations of the bus stop shelters and all the
village centers planned upon uh complete because of complete streets or when and why they will occur. No locations. No acceptable explanation by DOT for directing unsuspecting outofstate families with children on bikes onto
Route 28 where the lanes abruptly end outside of the construction era. It's incredibly dangerous. The statements made by DOT at the hearing were inaccurate and misleading, saying that bike lanes are primarily intended for those going to work, not recreational.
That's not what the signs say or what will occur. as there was discussion that the plan is to ultimately connect them to the rail trail. No reasonable explanation from DOT why a small historic coastal town requires 65 huge
unsightly directional sites on poles, lights, and the roadway planned in this small area causing utter confusion for tourists. No statements of um uh no status on the waiverss that we applied for because of the historic and
environmental issues. No photos of the voice activated uh pedestrian signal poles. I haven't seen them up uh except from a distance and again I think they're just renderings that that that will be in addition to an unknown number
of traffic lights from Queen Anne and Depot and Croll. So, one of the questions I'd like to know, if all the signals go to red, when one person is crossing, how long do they remain on red? Because the entire intersection, it my understanding, will
come to a stop. If a second person wants to cross, I assume they all go red again. That could go on indefinitely, leaving all traffic at a standstill. >> Um, turning lanes will not only back up traffic. >> Elaine, you're well beyond you're well beyond your three minutes, Elaine. and
and uh but thank you for your comments. Uh we received written comments as well. Yes, >> Mr. Dykins. >> Yes. >> Um we this was supposed to be our meeting. We were told we were supposed to come here so we could weigh in. You did not
put three minutes on the agenda so we could prepare. You have spoken for at least 25 minutes on your own viferously about this project and you had already spoken at the public hearing. So I would ask you to let me finish this because We didn't know that you were going to do
this. This is too important. I would I would like to finish my comments. >> Well, I I mean, some of them are pretty far-fetched, Elaine. And the think that the red all red lights and stuff. I mean, those these folks are are professionals. They're not going to have all red lights all the time. And they're
going to they're going to time the lights correctly. >> I mean, I mean, >> I am asking them, not you, Mr. Dykins. And and you should show a little bit more respect to Mr. Levit. It was shameful. And I'd like to finish my statement here. I' I've been working on
this and every time I am told to step down. You've been talking for now a half an hour interrupting people. >> Okay. >> East of the project to the downtown rotary. No mention of repairs or a new lighter planned at the downtown rotary
which is outside of the project's boundaries with crumbling curbing, a tilting light that was hit over a year ago and still has the tire tracks in the island and a small totally collapsed island with red cones. That area is not on the tip and is therefore DOT's
responsibility to repair and maintain. Yet for 12 years it has been ignored with no repairs or basic maintenance. It is a hazard if that light falls on a car. the next steps. We only have to look to West Chadam. Entering from the east has been described by many as looking like
the entrance to a federal prison. It is disgraceful and irreversible, no matter how many times we've been told otherwise. Leaning telephone poles, massive transformers, overhead wires, and too many flimsy cheap lights on the north side, and no maintenance. Out of
state cars uh routinely do not yield and go around the rotary the wrong way. And I had someone do that to me today. Uh it's happens constantly. One size doesn't fit all. We're not Boston. We're a small historic seaside tourist and
full-time community that should not be required to have complete streets just because DOT says so. People um have come to Chadam because of its historic simplicity, fragile environment, and beauty. And now it's being turned uh and ruined to accommodate those very people.
There's no reason to believe DOT will complete this project in 2028 season, especially with a summer moratorum and delays wherever source is involved. DOT can't keep their story straight. They say one season then left and said may be true. There's a huge difference. It will
be on hold for at least another 3 years before they finish this project. In the end, Route 28, which is a state road under DOT control, will continue to deteriorate as DOT refuses to do repairs as long as we're on the tip. As Mr.
Smith said, after 13 years, it's time to get off the tip and demand maintenance and repairs on Route 28, including the downtown Rotary. Doic T should not threaten us that it could be yours for maintenance. That's their job. Nor should we be forced to take over the maintenance and liability of a state
road. That's what they want us to do. Corer even said so. It's not our job. It's theirs. And for the record, the project is not free. Taxpayer money is used, whether it's state or federal money, and we pay their salaries. One deal once DOT comes in with their
bulldozers. We're at their mercy. There will be no turning back, and the intersection will look like Russam forever. We need to get off the tip, no turning lanes, put fix the curbs and islands, add crosswalks, and replace the existing lights. That's it.
>> Thank you. >> Uh, thank you, Meline. Uh, Mr. Phy has some comments, I believe. >> I just wanted a point of clarity that the sidewalks at the intersection are the responsibility of the town. Uh, for us to do any improvements on a state
highway, of course, we'd have to go through the process. I don't know what that would look like. think it may look similar to what we're going through now, but um just wanted a point of clarity if people weren't aware of that. >> Thank you, Rob. And Jill Goldmith also has a point of clarity. >> Sure. I'm not sure if the question was rhetorical or not about the on-site
meeting that you witnessed with myself, Terry, and Rob. We were requested by the church, the West Gates, and Evan, who's here tonight, uh, to review the plans with them following a meeting that apparently may have been on site with
Mass Dot as they were looking at, I think, some of the utility drawings. So, it's it's not who you know to get action from the town. It's we were asked to meet with them and I believe and I'm not sure Evan had stated it at the public
hearing that they were u very successful with getting the multi-purpose path removed and they expressed their support for the project. Thank you. John Hogan from South Chad and Clearwater, Florida, where traffic lights abound like crazy, which I think
is what gives me the the the reason to say that this is definitely I think a good project to do because when I'm down in Florida, I have to use in three of the four ways to get to my house, I have to use basically a turning lane in order to get there. So, what's happening right
now, it's not really adding lanes. It's simply providing a place for those people that want to turn to get out of the damn way so the people who are backed up behind them can get through. So I don't see what the big deal is why we, you know,
why that's such an issue. Now, as to how long those pockets are, that might be a thing. I'm not sure. I couldn't tell from that. The um there definitely needs a left turn signals. I'm sure that's going to really help because there have been times I don't get down every way very often, but
there's times when I do and I've got had to go through two or three light changes before I could make a turn because there's no there's no option for me to turn. Um there I don't I don't see the,00 whatever was square foot is really a
significant increase in in square footage. You know that's like what 20 32 by 35 feet. you know, it's not a whole big deal because actually places where we're actually reducing some of the pavement because we're we're taking out that sort of bypass lane in front of the
village market now. So, you know, we're we're gaining a little bit there. I don't think those that signal arm is is is a over, you know, masked is going to be objectionable because that's what I think most of the tourists are looking. They're looking up for a signal. They're not looking where, you
know, those signals right now, that type of signal, they work fine. maybe an old harbor and and Shore Road, you know, where there's a four just a four plane four-way, but at this intersection, no, it just doesn't work. So, I'm sorry. So,
I'm definitely all in favor of this. I'm trying to think of if there's anything I missed, and I don't believe I have missed anything. And I think I came in less than three minutes. Welcome, Carol. >> Thank you, Carol Gordon, South Cadam.
At first glance, Masto's proposal sounds wonderful. Wider sidewalks, bike lanes, easier to make a left turn. But on second glance, is it so wonderful? If this plan goes through Chattam Street Skates and you've heard this many times, changes forever. Is that worth the gift
of con of construction that Mass Dot is offering? We would no longer or ever be a quaint village with historic charm. Not to mention the mature trees around that area that would be removed. um driving down Main Street coming into town, instead of seeing the treeline
sidewalks and the beautiful Unitarian Church, you would first see an open area because the trees would be gone with a large overhead bar of directional traffic lights, not the beautiful Unitarian Church you see now. And I don't know if you got this or not from
uh chat GPT did just a rough drawing of what you would what you would kind of see with the five hanging lights and the bar >> and >> excuse me. >> Oh, okay. Uh anyway, that you could see the uh the directional lights in front
of the Unitarian Church. So, it would definitely obstruct the view that the beautiful view that we have now. [clears throat] uh Barnesville Village, and I think you got this also in an email, did an excellent job and and uh and using their traffic lights and ch adapting their
traffic signals to fit into their community. And did you get the pictures from the email so you can see how that might be? And uh they certainly serve the purpose and looks a lot nicer than all the lights that we're considering. Uh where in the Cape have you seen something like this as an entrance to
historic downtown? Chattam is supposed to be special. Everyone's talking about making a left-hand turn. Okay. Do you have that problem in September through May? Are we again turning our town upside down for a 10-week summer session season? Then there's safety. Of course,
we're all concerned about safety. But as the as Masdat said at the meeting uh with their traffic study, uh they said since 2017, there have been eight incidents at that intersection. there most likely have been more at the four
corners intersection and on route 137. So I believe that uh I also believe Mass has a list of major major dangerous intersections and Crow Road is not on that list. Um frankly I'm really tired of companies strongarmming us into
decisions that may not be in the best interest of our town. Telling us that we would go to the bottom of the list and our roads and curbing repairs may be delayed if we don't take the proposal. Massadot has to do their job. Penrose used a similar tactic in dealing with Main Street development, telling us we
would lose our concessions and be left with the original proposal for Main Street and perhaps the use of lowquality construction materials. How long are our boards going to be intimidated by these companies? Our boards are here to ensure that our town continues to be special and not lose its historic charm and
beautiful streetscape, not to allow it to become anywhere USA. And if we don't stand up and protect our town, no one will. Thank you. >> Thank you, Carol. Thank you, Carol. Uh, I had Carol McClullen online here. Carolyn, your hand's been up for a
while. Carolyn, you're online. Okay. Anything going on there, Kathy? Carolyn, are you muted? Are you online? Do you want to speak? Okay. Uh, there was a hand out here. Ian Timson.
I'll be brief because so many people who are opposed to this as it stands for mass dots plan at present have already spoken eloquently but in this past three my name is Anne Timson Chhattam Mass in
the past three years I've made three trips in our local ambulance one the last trip I got to sit in the passenger seat and although the driver was going 85 miles an hour we talked the entire time about why they don't need
opticom because they don't use it anywhere but when they go to other towns and when they get close to the hospital in Hyannis they sometimes use it. He he was totally opposed to the intersection changes and I talked to
other members of the rescue crew who were equally opposed. Now, I'm not using any names because they didn't want me to, but that's coming from the horse's mouth. And my husband in the back even asked them about it. So, anyway, we've
all survived, but they're opposed. And I'm not going to use names. One of my greatest concerns is if a wheelchair person pushes a button on a pole and
another pedestrian pushes a button on another street pole. Pretty soon you have a whole lot of people coordinating to get across their particular crosswalk. What happens when the ambulance comes
down? They have to stop as far as I know. And if there's someone halfway across any of those streets, how does that process work? I mean, I would think that would slow down. Right now, they can go through. Everybody gets out of
the way. Bikers get out of the way. Pedestrians get out of the way. Cars get out of the way. If we create all the bike lanes, of course, the cars will not be able to get out of the way in the same way because they might hit a biker. And this is kind of what happened in
California where they they actually slowed down rescue and fire because of bike lanes that prevented normal cars from moving a little bit to the right, which they do on Route Six. You see it when when an ambulance comes, all the
cars move over. Any road where they can, a car will quickly move over to make way for the ambulance. So, as far as I can see, the safety situation would be worse, [clears throat] not better. The other thing that worries me terribly is [clears throat]
two years. That's what they're talking about. What's going to happen to the businesses in two years? Yes, they're supposedly going to be able to function in the summer, but what state are all these roads going to be in? How are
seniors all winter long going to get to CVS to get their meds? And believe me, there are lines of them. And how are people going to get to the market? Where where are people going to park with all the roads torn up? I don't think you're
looking at the big picture and it worries me terribly. I think the situation is going to make less safety and more problems in the long run. And as long as you continue to
just ask mass dot about options, I think you're not going to get anywhere. If you would like to look for options, which many people have asked for, why doesn't somebody contact Barnstable? Why doesn't somebody ask which engineer they used?
Couldn't we just have one little meeting with an engineer, get some prices, get some ideas? because that's one of the things that I think a lot of people they're open to some improvements but not this mass dot overregulation
and we do not want complete streets and one complete street just allows Cape Cod Commission to encourage a lengthening of that street and pretty soon the route 28 will be
much wider wider. You will have 10 foot wide bike lanes. You'll have at least 7 and 12 inch foot wide um sidewalks because I believe that's about what ADA requests and you'll have a ramp. Every time
there's a driveway or anything, you have to have a ADA ramp on both sides of that driveway. It gets very complicated and that's really going to dig into an awful lot of people's front lawns. So you think about it and I think safety is not
going to be improved. Thank you. >> Caroline, you still have your hand up. Are you ready to speak? >> Can you hear me? >> Yes, we can. >> Oh, wonderful. Thank you. I'm sorry about before. Anyways, I just want to say that I'm in support of this uh project. I think it's irresponsible for
the town not to move forward on making a major intersection to be uh uh have have more safety and the concerns about it being a more efficient uh intersection causing more traffic I think are illfounded. And I also believe that uh
anytime we can add to making this community uh more pedestrian and cyclist friendly will add to will eventually um decrease the amount of vehicle traffic. If it's more friendly for people to come on bikes and to walk,
they will do so and that will reduce the amount of traffic downtown eventually. So any incremental step we can take to increase our bike paths and our pedestrian friendly intersections I think we should definitely be doing. And uh that's all I have to say. Thank you very much. >> Thank you Carolyn. Thank you very much.
Uh Mr. Phillips >> Brian Phillips 374 Road. So I guess I'm going to start with a question. Um I'm just wondering how much this is going to cost because I've heard I've heard different numbers. I've heard uh you know five and they're going to pay for it, but I've also heard nine. So >> $5.13 million is the cost of the
project. 80% funded by the federal government, 20 20% by the state government. >> Ryan, um [clears throat] so I'd like to I I do not think this is a dangerous intersection. um police chief even said there was no pedestrian accidents and on my many select board campaigns reaching
out around people. Uh one of the big major concerns is the uh the J1 uh bike riders and uh for two uh for a couple reasons. The first is that they don't follow or know the rules of the road when you ride a bicycle. Oh, my before I
get to that, um I spent more time on a bicycle around Chadam and on the bike trail than the entire uh bike uh committee combined. So, [clears throat] um so they so the J1s either don't know uh the rules of the road, they don't follow it when you ride, you know,
through the intersection, you uh ride with traffic and they also wear uh dark colors at night. So, it was suggested to me that they have like some sort of, you know, training program. So, I don't know if the police chief is going to speak to that, but uh if I was a betting man, which I am, I would bet that those are, you know, J1 accidents, uh not knowing
the rules. Um second point, uh it's huge, going to look terrible. Um again, uh the bike thing, it's um it's going to create congestion with uh amateur riders. You don't want to um incentivize people going that way. It's going to you
we have I'd say one of the nicest bike trails in the world. That's where you want people riding their bikes. you don't want to you don't want to send them down that way and it's going to create a lot of uh you know traffic congestion you know down the whole Cedar Street loop and whatnot and um if you if
you are going to go downtown the best way to do it is tip cart you know I don't know that you know by the school so like we shouldn't even be you know putting bikes down that way um it's not good for people working either because it's it's freezing here most of the time and riding a bike in the cold is
terrible I do it all the time um and Then where should I go next? I guess I'll go with uh the whole ADA thing. So people talk about ADA stuff all the time. You know, it's feel good, sounds good. Um but most of it isn't
practical. And this is speaking from somebody who has a prosthetic either has a prosthetic leg, uh crutches with no leg or a wheelchair. So >> [clears throat] >> uh crossing route 28 is pretty much fine. You know, most people can do that. The one that is kind of tough is uh the
one that crosses I guess crawl road. So if you have some people I could see having trouble getting up that. But even if you can cross that and you have like a disability, you're in a wheelchair, you have trouble walking, how are you going to make it up that hill? So it's just kind of totally impractical to make
that section, you know, ADA compliant because walking up that if you can't cross the intersection, you're not going to be able to walk up that hill. Um, and I guess uh that's all I have to say for now. Thanks. >> Okay, Mr. Phillips. Okay. Anybody else
from the public that would like to speak this evening? Yes. I don't know your name. I'm sorry to point, but >> Yep. Okay. Please come up to the podium and identify yourself. Thank you. >> Did you have something to say? >> Um, Jean Mongulo, North Cadam. Um, I go
walk through that intersection, I would say five times a week, and it is dangerous crossing those those streets. Um, it was suggested about coming off the tip and making mascot do their job and improving it. I don't know this, but
I'm assuming at that point we lose control of what they do. So, you could wind up with the arm that nobody wants without any controls on it, height, look, or anything. So, it's just a consideration. You at least right now
you have some control over what the design is. >> Thank you very much. Did you get her name, Kathy? Okay. Any other any any other public comment? Anybody with hands raised here or online? Okay. I'll come back to the board. I think Corey has Cory had something to weigh in on.
>> No, just I mean I appreciate the discussion tonight. I never really been supportive of this project for for years. I've had reservations about it. Um, just looking forward to end results. And I I look at some of my neighboring our neighboring towns and some of the
projects they've done recently like Orleans and I I mean it's it's not my vision of a of a of a successful project. But anyway, the fair the question is fair. What's the plan B? And that's a very very very fair question.
So we we we stay on the tip. I think a lot of us, myself, don't like the direction of where the project's aesthetics, designs are going. If we get off the tip and we have an expectation
that Mass DOT is going to fix it, probably not going to be fixed anytime soon. I think I think we're not the only roadway in Massachusetts. So that is a very realistic you know you know concept that you know there's going to be no
rush to fix it soon. So it is a very very very fair question is what is the plan B if we remove ourselves from the tip. Um the intersection needs maintenance. There's I said it earlier it's universal. We need to fix that intersection. The lights are atrocious.
They're rotting away. Um, so I guess put Rob on the spot. Rob, as as our DPW director, just play this out. If the if the board says, you know what, we're not going to stay on the tip.
What would your what would your your plan be? Your plan being forward, not plan B, your plan B for um addressing the roadways. So the the mass did replace three of
those signals last year. So they are performing some level of maintenance on that intersection. Um it would really be at the will of the uh of the town manager and the select board um and the residents. Um it's hard to do one aspect
of that intersection without touching multiple aspects. So and of course it is a DOT road so we'd have to get their approval for anything we do. It's where that leads. I don't have a crystal ball. I I don't want to go out
on a limb and and say we're going to wind up where we are now or we can get away with some doing some smaller scale projects. I don't know that. >> All right. I I appreciate the fair answer, the honest answer. Thank you. >> Any other comments, Randy?
>> Yep. Yep. So um I think uh the plan B should be to explore what it means to get off the tip in terms of what is the waiting list for repairs and to to look into uh the options for that and see if the waiting list time is acceptable. And
if it's not, I don't think it's unreasonable to also look into taking over the intersection um ourselves and hiring a consultant to see um what smaller changes we could make, how much that would be. I think there's an
appetite for that by the town residents to to uh control that area. Um I've talked to many people that don't want to have see complete streets. um they don't want Chattam to look like Anywhere USA, which came actually from that 2003
long-term plan that that's a quote from that. And um as a matter of fact, I've used that plan in some of my arguments uh on the zoning board. So I don't think that plan has been invisible. Um you've probably heard me use it. Um and I think
the uh the um introduction to that plan is excellent. So um that's where that term came from. Um and there was no talk about doing all this in that plan. Um so they did it did talk about some changes to the intersection but not at this
scale. So I I actually feel that um if there's a motion to take it off the tip, I would pro I would support that. And plan B for me would be to get back on the repair list and see what that entails. and also at the same time in
conjunction to explore the um the topic of taking over the area and making smaller changes. Um and so that's my feeling on it based on many people that I've talked to and I want to say that it causes me a lot of pain to go against a
lot of people that have spoken tonight. Um I have a tremendous amount of respect for our chair. I have a tremendous amount of respect for the um the safety committee and I've said that publicly before and um and I um also have a lot of respect for the bikeway committee.
They've they've been exemplary um volunteer citizens and I understand their position. Um but at the same time I I'm kind of a person that if you're not sure what to do, don't do anything. And so that's kind of where I'm coming from.
>> Thank you, Andy. Mr. Castro. >> Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I have a question for Bridget. Um, probably my final question. If the select board did nothing tonight, did not vote to take this off the tip, what what would the next steps be? Would there be some
immediate action to proceed to, I guess, your 75% design plan? How does that work? or is there time for the town um to explore a plan B that might include the town taking this over
without losing the space on the tip? >> Yeah, our next step would be to move to 75% design, but I could look at the project schedule. It's not like it's a hard deadline that's coming up. So, um I could take a look at the project
schedule in relation to where the ad date is right now to see kind of how much room we have um how much and like basically when the latest we could submit 75% design without um impacting like the ad date schedule. So yeah, it's
not like a an immediate um submittal that's coming up in like a month or something like that. So I believe there there is time. >> Thank you. Um I I share uh
board member potach's um comments about appreciating the the comments that have been put forward. And I think um if this is the model that the town would want for this intersection,
I don't think um anyone could have done a better job trying to address the various concerns that have come forward. But the the threshold question is is this the model? And we're essentially talking about
problems, I think, that occurred during two months in the summertime. Uh, and I I just think this this complete streets idea with bicycle lanes that go to go nowhere. I know there's some prospect of
maybe you'll connect them in the future just like they're doing in Haritch where they're narrowing Route 28 and it's going to make it even harder for vehicles to go down Route 28. Um so they can have bicycle lanes and sidewalks. But I just think it's too
much for two months. Um and I've been skeptical about this as Mr. Meadows has. I offered a motion to terminate this project in 2020, I believe, or 2019, and was on the losing side. So,
um I I think we're buying something that is more than it's that is worth less than than the cost for it. Uh yeah, it's um it's taxpayer money. You
know, I I'm very reluctant to turn to turn aside money that comes from taxpayers all over the United States because it's the United States that's dictating this complete street stuff. Uh and um the state probably has some
limited only limited control over it, but it's there and um it's not something I I think is suitable for this particular intersection. Those are my thoughts on it. >> Thank you, Dean. I have a question for Bridget. Bridget is and for Rob as well.
Is there a list, a repair list that DOT has and and do we know where we are on that list for this intersection? Are they even they have any any any thought of them even coming back and doing two more polls this year? >> Uh, you know, I don't know if there's a list. I'm sure they were probably
waiting to see where this entire tip discussion uh would go and they would they were probably postponing any real maintenance issues until um you know if it was going to be replaced then why spend the infrastructure money to do the repairs. So it would have to be a new conversation we have with DOT.
>> Okay. All right. Thank you, Rob. I appreciate that. And uh uh the sentiment of the board I mean I I I don't believe it's a wise move to terminate this project without knowing what we're going to do for plan B. to be honest with you, I think it would be very foolish to leave this out there and and not have a
plan to nuke this and have and not have a plan B. I think it's foolish um leaving that money on the table and a pretty good plan on the table, but obviously I'm in the minority here unless folks I mean I I don't think I I don't think we should come off the tip. Um
you know, that's what I think. Uh and I disagree pretty strongly with the viewpoints that have been expressed by my fellow board members this evening. Um, again, I'm an outlier. I haven't been a real fan of this project until I saw the cost. And uh, thank you, Stuart. That was for you. But I I I I know how
it feels now. Um, until I got the cost and got a good look at it. And its design doesn't bother me one iota. I think it's really well done. I think it's going to be very safe for pedestrians and vehicles alike. Got a turning lane. I don't, as I said earlier, I just don't get it. But I
guess I don't get Chadam anymore, huh? I don't get it. So, I I I I I suggest we stay on the tip. I think we'd be crazy to come off um without having a plan B or knowing what it's going to cost, what we're going to do, where we're headed. We
these guys are going to do ADA compliance. We're out of our mind. Anyway, I'll be quiet, you guys. I I just I'm appalled. Thanks, >> Mr. Nick Castro. >> Mr. Chairman, I'm prepared to offer a motion tonight to terminate this and take us off the tip, but if >> I'll second it when you do.
>> Well, I haven't offered it yet. Not that I'm anxious. >> I've been anxious for several years. Um, but I'm willing to defer that for a short period of time to see if there
really is any flexibility on the part of the state to to eliminate some of these aspects which I consider extraneous, including the bike lanes. Um, >> not going to do that.
uh and and to get some idea of what the um I think we know the answer to this, but you know what what the uh maintenance schedule would be. Um but I I throw that out for consideration
of my uh colleagues, >> Mr. Matters, >> just based on my observation serving on this board and the planning board for years to buy us a little bit of time. We're not going to get a clear answer. It's not going to happen. It I mean we are
years into discussing this project decade into this project. We're we're not going to ask them to be this little detail. We're not going to get a clear answer in any timely manner. That's just pure and simple. Two, you know, obviously Mass Highway is is
monitoring these discussions and they're they're seeing there's some, you know, we're not all on board this project. tip is based on basically shovel ready, ready to roll. Let's just keep pushing it out because there's
there's all these other, you know, towns are jocking for money and position. So, you know, the as we have these discussions and you know, and I'm not a big fan of this project, but if I was, I'd be like, "Oh my god, we're going to be, you know, shifted in the in the in
the queue a little bit because we're going to, you know, give some other town may take priority and all of a sudden this project's going to get kicked down another year or two or three or four." So, um, if we stay on the tip, I don't see this project happening
for quite some time. Um, and I I I I do wish we had a crystal clear plan B, but I do think staying on the tip is more detrimental because I do
think we I I do think there's some benefit from from where I want to land, getting off the tip and then really pressing trying to figure out how to get this maintenance done, you know, because as long as we're on the tip, they're going to be like, "Well, you you'll probably get the project done down the
road. So, it's we got to we got to make a decision one way or another. I don't think kicking the can down the road, you know, is going to help us at all. So, if we're if we're if the the sentiment is to step away from the tip, we do it now or we we
just keep the project going. That's really I mean the reality of it. >> May I ask a question of Mr. Matters, >> please? >> Yeah. Would again I'm just trying to push the envelope here. Um, in terms of
what the potentials might be, do you think it would be reasonable or unreasonable to remain on the tip but not proceed with the 75% work?
Um, as as Bridget said earlier, we're not they may not be ready for that at this point. while to allow the town the opt the opportunity to explore and and come up with the framework of a plan
B rather than lancing the boil tonight as a if I may use a >> well if you lance if I might Mr. Niccastro and Mr. matters if you lance the boil tonight, you haven't got a plan B. So the tip, you've got an a potential option. At least you're still in the
game a bit and you get on the list for repairs. I mean, I I'm not, you know, a tip expert, but you know, if there's a list, I mean, raise raise the white flag and say, "Guys, get down here and, you know, we're considering all our options." And, you know, it's unsafe right now.
>> It's unsafe right now. Those poles are the those signal lights are bending over like they're bending in the wind. I'm surprised they even function. And that's a joke. >> Mr. Chairman, if I I'm I'm ready to make a motion when cuz 14 years and I think we're I hope we're getting close to
killing this project because why the Navy builds ships that they don't need because they can't make a decision. The fact of the matter is we need to get off the tip so they maintain that intersection. Ry's comments are very reasoned and um so I'm going to support that we make a motion that we
get uh the intersection of Coral Road and 28 uh remove ourselves from the tip and uh we pursue uh the state for uh prudent maintenance issues regarding the uh intersection and Mr. Fail and Miss
Goldmith can look into all the downsides of taking over that uh intersection which I don't think uh is needed or necessary at this time. I'll second that. >> Any further comment? I disagree vehemently.
Any further comment by the board? Can Can you >> So, just to clarify, so the mot the motion is to terminate the Coral Road intersection project and I'm want to put words in your mouth, but instruct the town manager to request its
removal from the tip. And >> crazy. >> Yeah. >> And but you had something addition. >> I did. and and um >> request the state >> re request the state to do prudent their prudent normal maintenance issues regarding that uh intersection and ask
the town manager to uh explore all the ramifications of the town of Chadam taking over what the process would be taking over that intersection which I don't support but we might as well look into it and >> that's what was seconded. >> Okay. I just have a question. So I I I
can read the room. So I'm not proposing anything, but start of the meeting there there wasn't any appetite for the town to take over the intersection. And now we're going to ask Masto
how to do it with every inclination not to take it over. I just I need some clarification. >> Yeah. I mean, those are my those are my personal feelings, but I think >> that's not part of >> that's not >> that's not part of the motion. I'm not proposing that we take >> No, I'm not either. >> I'm not there yet. I mean, others may
be, but I'm not >> I think I think the pushes to have mas do the maintenance. >> He's talking about maintenance. >> Maintenance. >> He's also talking about coming off the tip. >> Yes. Okay. Let me >> Would you like me to read back what? Okay. So, [gasps and sighs] >> Mr. Smith made a motion that the town removes the intersection for Coral Road
and Route 28 off the tip and pursue the state for prudent normal maintenance issues regarding the intersection and to ask the town manager to explore all the ramifications of the town of Chadam taking over um that uh sorry that's where I got a
little jumbled there. Um taking over the intersection, what the process would be for taking over the intersection. >> Yes. And and just to get to your comment, Jill, it's uh I don't support taking over the intersection, but there's enough questions about it that we might as well know the answers. Um I
don't think it goes anywhere, but it's, you know, we might as well know the process and what the ramifications are. I don't think we get there. I think the state, we push the state to maintain their intersection, do the prudent repairs, and let's move on to our next project. to just to clarify on the
motion. The part about taking over and exploring that, I didn't think that was originally part of your motion. >> I thought the motion ended with and by the way, I think the it began with terminate the project. >> He did not say terminate.
>> Well, I think he said end the project. >> End the project. Yeah. >> Um but I thought it was basically end the project and uh take it off the tip. it is >> asked the town manager and staff to explore the um
>> to to to >> pursue the state >> pursue the state for maintenance. >> Yes, there there was a third component to that that was I just thought listen we've talked about the town taking it over. I don't think we should be. Uh and
I'm just offering that as a uh you know a tea leaf to people who are concerned about that. Well, let's let's let's at least get the information about it. And >> is that part of was that part of the motion? >> I I I >> said as part of the motion, I would suggest that you separate the motion. >> If you if you're going to offer a motion
to terminate the project. >> All right. I I'll reward it. I'll offer a new motion to terminate the intersection of Coral Road and 28 uh from the from the TIP program and that uh the town staff, the town manager um
uh uh uh pursue the state on normal prudent maintenance issues regarding that intersection. Then I'll make another one. >> I will second that. Further comment take the role. Mr. Smith >> I. >> Mr. Niccastro. >> I. >> Miss Potes.
>> I. >> Mr. Meadows. >> Hi. >> Mr. Dikkins. No. >> Mr. Smith. >> Yes, please. Um simply for anformational uh discussion, um I'd like to make a motion
that we ask the town manager to uh uh pursue all of the ramifications um and process to if the town were to consider um taking over the intersection as a town project as opposed to a state intersection. >> Second in discussion, please. I I don't
I agree with your motion. We have to do due diligence. I do not think the town really should take over the the responsibility of it. I agree. >> But it's but it's the it's an elephant in the room question. It's out there. I think we need to do have an answer to that question.
>> So yes, >> it may come up as important for some other intersection. And you know, knowledge is good. We ought to we ought to at least know. I don't support it, but we ought to at least >> agreed. Agreed. >> Okay. Motion has been moved and seconded. Take the role. Mr. Smith, >> I. >> Mr. Niccastro,
>> no. >> Miss Potes. >> I. >> Mr. Meadows. >> I. >> Mr. Dikkins. No. >> Okay. Thus ends that. Next item on our agenda is to consider committee appointments and reappointments. We have quite a long
list here. Um Jill Kathy, why don't you take this one away if you might just for a sec here? >> Thank you, Mr. Chair. >> Yes. >> Um so what you have before you tonight are the remainder of the
>> guys. Can you please leave quietly? >> Please depart quietly. Okay. So, what you have before you tonight for consideration are the remainder of the reappoints and um some appointments to
currently vacant seats. I tried to outline this similarly to last week or the last uh report. So, starting with um the historic business district commission, there are currently three member seats with terms ending June 30th
uh 2026. So today, all three members who are currently serving have expressed interest in being reappointed at the board's request. Um you reintered um one person uh who is an incumbent. The other um has expressed it they are not
interested in seeking reappoint. Um that being said, um there's there will be one vacant alternate seat um if you were to reappoint the three incumbents. Um, so you have suggested motions before you. Um, >> okay. Why don't we take HBDC? Let's take
HBDC. Um, Mr. Niccastro. >> Mr. Chairman, I move to reappoint Timothy Gilmore as a member of the Historic Business District Commission until June 30th, 2029, unless sooner revoked or a successor is appointed. >> Second. >> Okay. Call the RO. Mr. Smith, >> I. >> Mr. Castro, >> I. >> Miss Potach. >> Hi.
>> Mr. Meadows. >> Hi. >> Mr. Dykin says I as well. >> Mr. Chairman, I move to reappoint Robert Burns as a member of the historic business district commission until June 30th, 2029 unless soon revoked or a successor is appointed. >> Second that one. >> Thank you, Mr. Smith. >> I, >> Mr. Castro,
>> I, >> Miss Potes. >> Hi, >> Mr. Meadows. Hi. And the chair says I as well. >> I have no more motions for the HBDC. >> I do. >> Okay. So, um I move to reappoint Sam Striber as a member um of the historic
business district until June 30th, 2029. Um until sooner revoked or a successor is appointed. >> Radio silence. >> Okay. There's no there's no second on that, Randy. Okay, we'll go on to summer residents advisory committee.
>> Yes. So, um, tonight you interviewed the three remaining incumbents. Um, there are currently three full member seats with terms ending June 30th, 2026 up for reappointment. All three of those incumbents expressed interest in being reappointed. And then there are two
associate member seats with terms ending uh today as well. And um, of those two associate members, only one has expressed interest in being reappointed. the other has uh said they are not interested in being reappointed. So um
that being said, there were on May 19th uh you were the board did ask to interview all the incumbents and that as I said was completed tonight. On June 9th you interviewed Don Drinkwater. June 30th uh today you interviewed Frank Pinto who was an associate member uh
member Jamie Mian and member Phil Richardson. back on September 2nd, you interviewed Robert Wood and on September 16th, 2025, you interviewed Robert Goodman. Both of those gentlemen expressed interest in being considered for appointment as well.
>> So, just for clarity, uh Frank Pinto expressed a sentiment that he wanted to be a full member. So, I think if we put him in nomination, that's what we ought to do. >> Mr. Ncastro, >> Mr. Chairman, I move to appoint Don Drinkwater as a member of the Summit Residence Advisory Committee until June 30th, 2029 unless soon revoked or
successor is appointed. >> Second. >> Okay. Mr. Smith, >> I. >> Mr. Ncastro, >> I. >> Miss Bes. >> I. >> Mr. Meadows. >> Hi. >> And the chair says I as well. >> Mr. Chairman, I move to appoint Jamie Mian as a member of the summer residence advisory committee unless until June
30th, 2029, unless sooner revoked or a successor is appointed. >> Second. [snorts] >> Call the role. Mr. Smith. >> I, >> Mr. Castro. >> I, >> Mr. Potach. >> Hi, >> Mr. Meadows. And the chair says I as well. >> Mr. Chairman, I move to appoint Phil Richardson as a member of the summer residence advisory committee until June
30th, 2029, unless soon revoked or successor is appointed. >> Second. >> Okay, we call the role. Mr. Smith, >> I >> Mr. Diccastro. >> I, >> Miss Potach. >> Hi, >> Mr. Meadows. Hi. And the chair says I as well. >> Mr. Chairman, I move to appoint Frank Pinto as a member of the summer residence advisory committee until June
30th, 2029 unless soon revoked or successor is appointed. >> Second to call the role. Mr. Smith I, >> Mr. Niccastro, >> I. Miss Potach >> I. >> Mr. Meadows >> I. And the chair says I as well. >> Now I understand that completes all the regular member. >> That does. And then the next suggested
motion you can disregard because Mr. West has indicated he is not interested in being reappointed. >> Mr. Chairman, I move to appoint Robert Wood as an associate of the summer residence advisory committee until June 30th, 2027, unless sooner revoked or a successor is
appointed. >> Second. >> Call the role. Mr. Smith, >> I. >> Mr. Niccastro, >> I. >> M. Potach. >> I. >> Mr. Meadows. >> I. >> And the chair says I as well. >> Mr. Chairman, that I have no further motions >> for the summer residence advisory committee. >> I just want to point out that I did
listen to those. I know I wasn't here for Robert Wood and Robert Goodman. Um so if I don't um say anything at this point, it's because I did listen to those and I agree with Robert Wood. >> Okay, good. Are there any more Are there any more slots available there? Are there
are or are not? >> So this would leave one vacant associate seat. Um sorry, one there'd be two two vacant member seats and one vacant associate seat. There's there's a vacant member seat. >> Yes, there are still two vacant member
seats. >> There was one that we ascended to. Frank, we ascended. >> Yeah. >> Um, let me Sorry, hold on. Let me pull this up and make sure I would >> It's getting late. I apologize. >> Um, summer residents. So, you had Jamie Don uh you had Jamie
Mian, Don Drinkwater, and Phil Richardson all seeking reappoint. Joel Rottner and Stuart Green step down. So, you have I'm sorry, one vacant member seat, Joel Rottner, >> and one vacant uh Joel Rottner would be through 2029, which is what you
appointed Mr. Pinto to, which means Mr. Green's vacant seat is through June 2027. Um, >> so, okay. So, we have that vacant. Mr. Chairman, I move to uh resend the appointment of Robert Wood as an
associate >> and and move instead to appoint Robert Wood as a full member of the summer residence advisory committee until June 30th, 2027 unless sooner revoked or a successor is appointed. >> Second. >> Okay, I'll call the role. Mr. Smith,
>> I Castro >> I. >> M potach >> I. >> Mr. Meadows. Hi. And the chair says I. Okay, that's full member. >> Great. Thank you. Uh, next you have Parks and Recreation Commission and I apologize for omitting Mr. Malows. David Malows is the incumbent who has
expressed interest in being reappointed and this evening you also interviewed Seal Harrigon um who had expressed interest as well. Um, I believe I also forwarded an email from the parks and recck commission chair um expressing her thoughts on the candidates. So,
>> uh, Mr. Chair, I move I move to re reappoint David Malice as a member of the park and rec commission until June 30, 2029 unless soon a revolt or successor is appointed. >> I'll second that. >> Okay, Mr. Smith >> I. >> Mr. Castro. >> Hi. >> M potach. >> Hi. >> Mr. Meadows. >> Hi. >> The chair says I as well.
>> Okay. Next you have the board of health. There are currently two vacant alternate seats on the board of health. On June 16th the board interviewed Burton Seagull and on June 30th uh preceding this meeting you interviewed Michelle Kleinoff. So you have um as as noted uh
alternate seats are for one-year appointments. So these if appointed would be through June 30th of 2027. >> Okay. I move to appoint Burton Seagull as an alternate member of the board of health until June 30th 2027 unless soon revoked or successor is appointed. >> Second. >> I'll call the role. Mr. Smith >> I.
>> Mr. Castro >> I. >> Mrs. Potach. Hi. >> Mr. Meadows. Hi. >> And the chair says I. I move to appoint Michelle Kleinoff as an alternate member of the board of health until June 30th, 2027 unless soon revoked or a successor is appointed. >> We'll second that. >> And uh we'll take call the role. Mr. Smith. >> Hi. >> Mr. Dcastro. >> Hi.
>> Miss Pot. Hi. >> Meters. Hi. >> And Mr. Dyen says I as well. >> Thank you. >> Cultural council. >> Cultural council is next. Um currently there is one vacant seat uh with a term ending today. So the the appointment would be through June of 2029.
um at you have [snorts] three candidates for this uh one seat and uh just as a reminder at the June 9th select board interview meeting the chair of the cultural council indicated that the council will be considering uh recommending expansion of the council but that has not yet come forward. I
just wanted to remind you of that. Um, so I'm >> so that suggests that we we select one of these, right? >> Basically, >> and there's a very good chance that the other two would be correct added at some point in the near future. >> I believe that was the the intention of the chair when mentioning that.
>> I have a motion, >> please. So, I I just want the the board to know that I did listen to um any ones that I w wasn't here for, Alex Kappo, but I I nominate uh I move to appoint Sue Daly um and for um
>> let's see, >> as a member >> culture as a member of the cultural council until June 30th, 2029, unless sooner revoked a successor is appointed. >> I'll second that. >> Okay, we'll call the role. Mr. Smith, >> I >> Mr. Niccastro. >> Hi. >> Miss Potashi. >> Mr. Hi. >> And Mr. Dyken says I as well.
>> Thank you. >> BA. >> Yes. Moving right along. Um there is one [laughter] member seat with a term ending today. There are three associate member seats with terms ending June 30th as well. Um the member currently serving and the two associate members have all
expressed interest in being reappointed. The select board did ask to reinter all incumbents for the DBA along with any new candidates. Um I provided that history of the interviews. You had Ed Actton, um, Steve Dbor, and they were
the two associates, and then you had, uh, Virginia Holden as the full member. You also interviewed Katherine Shear, >> right? Okay, Randy, please. >> Yes. I move to appoint Virginia Fenwick as a member of the zoning board of appeals until June 30th, 2029, unless
sooner or revoked or a successor is appointed. >> Second. We'll call the role. Mr. Smith, >> I. >> Mr. Mr. Castro. >> I potach. >> Hi. >> Mr. Meadows. >> Hi. >> Mr. Dickens says I as well. Miss Potach. >> And I move to appoint Ed Actton as an associate member of the zoning board of appeals until June 30th, 2027 unless
sooner or revoked or a successor is appointed. >> I'll second that and call the role. Mr. Smith. >> I. >> Mr. Niccastro. >> Hi. >> Miss Potach. >> Hi. >> Mr. Meadows. >> Hi. >> And the chair says I as well. Miss Potach. >> Okay. Hey, I move to appoint Steve Dbor
as an associate member of the zoning board of appeals until June 30th, 2027 unless sooner or revoked or a successor is appointed. >> I'll second that and call the role. Mr. Smith, >> I Mr. Castro, >> I poach I. >> Mr. Meers, >> I. >> And the chair says I as well.
>> And Miss Potach. >> Last but not least, I move to appoint Katherine Shira as an associate member of the zoning board of appeals until June 30th, 2027 unless sooner revoked or a successor is appointed. And I'll second that and call the role. Mr. Smith, >> no.
>> Mr. Ncastro, >> no. >> Miss Potes, >> yes. >> Mr. Meadows, >> no. >> Mr. Duncan says, "I >> did not pass." >> Did not pass. >> Okay. Thank you. And then next, um, you have the community preservation
committee. There will be likely two more um representatives coming before the board, but at this time we did have um the vote of the Cadam Housing Authorities representative um and they are asking that the select board
consider reappointing Alan Mauy as their representative to the um >> absolutely >> commun I'm sorry to the community preservation committee. >> Mr. Mr. Chair, I move to appoint Alan Maui to the Chattam Housing Authority representatives representative to the
community preservation committee until June 30, 2029 unless soon revote successor is appointed. >> I'll second that. Call the role. Mr. Smith, >> Mr. Castro I, >> Miss Pot, >> I. >> Mr. Meadows. >> And the chair says I as well. >> Thank you. >> Okay, that was fairly efficient, folks.
Okay, moving on. We have our last uh major item I guess uh is a discussion of a regional school agreement working group and the potential vote to appoint a chatam cadam reps to that from at least from the select board. The information that I was sent Jamie Graale
sent and then Peter Picarski also called um and left me a message on the the makeup that the Harvard select board voted last evening and is it is exactly the makeup that was suggested at our meeting. one select board member, one town or town administrator,
representative from the school committee from both sides. 246 uh they they took the vote who uh took the vote administrator, right? To town administrators. >> Yeah. Want me to read it? >> Yeah, please. And then and then I have a little discussion. Not much.
>> Um yes. So they um the town of Harwitch voted last night. They have uh the town manager at Chadam, the town administrator in Harwitch, one select board member Harwitch, one select board member Chadam, the Monomore Regional School representative, either the
superintendent or the business manager. That's that's up to five. School committee member Harwood, school committee member Chadam, finance committee member Haritch, finance committee member Chadam, and so that's nine. And then they have a citizen representative from Haritch to serve as
an adviser. And the same citizen representative to serve as Chadam as an adviser. So no votes. And the student representative as a Harish adviser would be selected by the school committee and the student representative Chadam as
advis advisor again. No vote would be selected by the school committee. >> Right. So, so the only nuance there was exactly the same lineup, but the they suggested that the the the children, the students would be advisory and the and the town town representatives be advisory as well. I like the nine to be
honest with you. Voting nine, I like it. But anyway, I >> I I Mr. Chairman, I I was the one that suggested a second board member, but I'm very comfortable with with what they're proposing here, and I I like the idea of having student representatives. Um uh I
would I would vote to support this tonight. Um are we going to select particular names tonight too? I I was hope we could if we >> uh well >> you know >> go but anyway um >> so you'd like to move that slate? >> I'll I'll move it. We approve this this
composition of of the proposed uh what are we calling this? Working >> working group >> working group between the two towns. >> Okay, I'll second that. Yeah, it's fine. It's It's what we talked about the other night in the meeting and I think it's >> I'm I'm comfortable with it. >> Randy, you okay? >> Yep. >> St. You okay?
>> Yes. >> Okay. Okay. We had a motion and a second. >> Yeah. >> Move. Do you second it? >> I did. >> Okay. Call call the uh call the role here. Mr. Smith. >> I. >> Mr. Castro. >> Hi. >> Miss Bass. Hi. >> Mr. Meadows. Hi. And the chair says I as well. Thank you guys. That's good. So
last night's the Haritch select board uh were didn't make any changes to the the the charge or the mission of the working group that was presented to the select board. So I just wanted to let you know on that. >> Okay, good. >> Question is so when and are we going to
select the individuals? For example, finance committee rep. >> I would assume it would I'd want to see Stephen if he's willing to do it. >> And the reason why I kind of pushed it off is I haven't I think we need to broach it with folks. So I think we need >> Okay. And we need a citizen. >> I've had a couple citizens also up here.
Okay. So I think hopefully we'll get this >> kind of vet that and see what kind get >> this moving quickly. Great. >> It is it is going to move quickly. >> Thank you. And I think you should be the cadam rep. Obviously you're the logical candidate, Mr. Chair. >> Well, okay. All righty. Uh we have our
town managers report monthly report May 2026. Jill Goldmith. >> Thank you, Mr. >> What's going on there, Jill? There's a lot going on and I know in the interest of time um I'll I'll highlight a a few things. Many of this items in the report um you've seen already before either
through a direct email or through social media. Um as of for residential ex tax exemption applications as of Friday we had 412 residents submit out of approximately 3,000 eligible residents. So there's
more information or there's information on that online. >> Mr. Castro and I've got a follow-up as well. >> Yeah. Could I mention something because when I I read it and reminded me of something cuz I'm going to file for mine and I think everybody who is a
doiciliary of the town of Chadam should file for it because if you don't and it goes through your taxes are going to go up. But um the assessing office is advising that if people want to have the benefit of it for the first half tax bill, they need to get it in by August
the 1st. >> That's what I think it says in your report. So, >> okay. >> I just wanted to remind people of that. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. >> Yes. And and I I think we're doing a decent job of outreach, but maybe not a maximum maximal job of outreach. I would
suspect that I would hope that there are more than 412 applications received at this point, especially if you look at an August 1 date, never mind a September 1st or 10th date. So, um, how do we better get the get the word out? >> I think we're just going to have to go to people. I was at a neighborhood party
in my neighborhood and only two people had had applied who are eligible. I think it's just talking to people about it. So, um, certainly work with Shauna on an information campaign and possibly have extended office hours for people to
come in. We'll have to figure out something else. I I think it's part of it, too, is the town meeting votes confusing to some people and the SLE boards voted as their intent, which is fine. So, we're moving towards that. So, I think it's the it's not that hard to
apply. So, if we can get people to apply and you apply once, uh, if it is approved again by the select board on September 1st, I think is our tax classification hearing. So, um, we'll we'll brainstorm some more on it and and certainly it benefits the town by
getting as many people in whether the the select board votes it or not. So, um, it's a oneanddone type of thing for someone applying. >> Well, not to overstate the obvious, but we're one month away from from August 1st and two months away from September 1st. So, we've got a little little makeup to do and we're not going to get
3,000. That's for sure. >> Yes. And I'll I'll verify the August 1 deadline and so forth, too. >> Okay. >> Um just uh follow up again. I'm just highlighting some of the things here. Um the community center signage and traffic pattern. I I don't know, Corey, if you
still want another select board agenda item, but this was one of the followup I one of your follow-up items. >> The community >> community center. Yeah, that [snorts] was actually we discussed it at park and wreck because they did put some arrows out there and the park and wreck
committee felt the arrows were a little on the smaller side because when we had the meeting they're like, "Oh, do you see the arrows out there?" And no one had noticed them driving in. So, >> okay. >> I guess they didn't didn't achieve the the goal. So, there are there are some
arrows out there. >> Okay. I I'll follow back up with the >> Yeah, I I think U Amy was going to reach out to Rob and discuss it with so internally. I know there's some conversations hopefully. So, >> okay.
>> Uh we heard a lot about the parade tonight, so I'm not going to reiterate that, but it will be live streamed. So, that's pretty exciting for us. And it's on the Town of Cadams YouTube channel or uh Chattam TV. Employee years of service anniversary uh on Friday. Uh Diane, whose last name
that we all talk say differently, but I say Lang Gua, our department coordinator for N natural resources, had a really nice sendoff. She 38 years with the town. She was the longest serving uh employee um as of as of Friday. And then you see there's, you know, quite a few
others, uh fire fighters, including the fire chief at 21 years. Uh recreation certainly has a lot of longevity. Um and you can see down to our newest employees. Um well actually I don't want to um skip uh Kathy when I see Katherine it's always weird for me but she's been
here for three years so congrats get out of here. I know it's gone by fast. It's Chattam time. It goes by very fast. Um promotions we have uh Annie Hayes who was promoted to the department coordinator. So after Diane's retirement she stepped right in, went across the
hall. >> And then um Jeremy Sinclair uh was promoted to our highway division foreman. uh the previous foreman uh Brian Gates has decided to move on and so it created an opportunity for a promotion. So um sorry to see Brian
leave but really excited about the new opportunity for Jeremy and um information on town projects as you see there's there's an index for that. And I think I'll just stop there. So if you have any questions I'll be happy to answer them.
>> No, that's a great report. U love the visuals. It's a good report, Mr. Niccastro. >> Yeah, I mean the report is is is has been enhanced greatly by the visuals. I wanted to say two things. One, um Kathy has been here three years. It
seems like it's been longer than that, Kathy, because you've been so good at it that we've kind of forgotten what was before. And secondly, um um is it possible, Jill, because I we
get this report, it's 90 pages and um a lot of what's in there is sort of um prehistory in terms of versus an update. Um so the different department heads will add updates and some it's a totally
new entry. Is it possible that um when they give their updates that those could be kind of underlined so I don't have to go back and read you know three or four paragraphs of you know how we got to the cruel road project.
>> Oh I see what you mean. So >> so like Terry Terry will add you know few sentences to update it so I can just read the update. >> Is it possible we could do that? It's not going to be applicable in every case. It's just a suggestion, but it's a great
report. It always is. I wish people would read that. People that think the town staff or the select board, the town manager do nothing um ought to read this. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Just one just one thing I want to point
out is um because in past years we've had a little struggle with staffing on like the guards and stuff, but this year we are we are full. We've they've done a great job recruiting >> um you know the summer summer summer guards the patrols and everything. So we're we're in really good shape this
summer heading you know so that that's a strong positive for us. >> Yeah really is. I was at Hardings the other day and the lifeguards were there. It was great. Good. Mr. Smith. >> Yes. Um so how long was Brian Gates
here? >> It it definitely more than 20 years. I would have to look it up. >> Um, so and I had asked I don't know some months ago, but I I haven't followed up uh when we get these reports on the
employees um if we could get a listing of the people who have left the employee for that for that month. Like Brian Gates for instance, he I don't think he was listed here as somebody who left, but his replacement is is named.
Diane Langlo is retired. So it get we did name her replacement but if we could get the uh people who have retired that would be a more complete picture. >> Sure. >> Thank you. The other thing is maybe at
the next um update uh which should be coming up uh Mr. uh Failey comes with the um update on the water usage. Hopefully we get some more rain here. Um >> on the connections >> there's there was a there was a report
that uh there was a hydrant running and behind uh on George Ryder Road behind the uh animal control >> right was right near it. I I went by it. Yeah. >> Yeah. Um >> and I you know I don't know what the s I didn't witness it but um it's a pretty
somebody I don't normally hear from um for quite a few days and maybe we could understand what that was about. We got >> Is that different? Because I know Shauna sent an email. There was a response. >> We were activating the new wells. >> That was intentional. >> It was a It was an intentional slow flow
flushing, but still appeared like there was like a broken pipe or >> Yeah, it did. It was a lot to because I saw this posted as well. No one communicated directly with me about it, but I think maybe it would have
been um a bit more helpful if we had um put a message on the website about it. This what what what you know what was going on there because there was a a legitimate answer to it. >> This went on reported I didn't witness
it but um said that it went on for at least four or five days. That seems like a long time to flush. I might not know anything about the system, but that seems like a long time. Um, so, uh, maybe we could get some answers to that.
And they also made a several attempts to try to get a hold of somebody. It was on the long weekend, I guess, June 19th, somewhere around there. Um, and they didn't get any return calls. So, I don't know what the emergency number for the water department is, but it's posted on
the I I looked on the pump station. So, there's a phone number for emergencies call, but there was nobody there and there was no message to say, "Hey, if you don't reach anybody, call this number or whatever." >> Yes, we we we didn't know that there was
a planned flushing. So, um I have to look back the notification that Shauna sent to you. I I know she said she posted it on social media. I don't know if it went on the website. So, um but we can look into that. It it again it's it
had to deal with um the initiation of the new wells. >> Yeah. And we're used to flushing of hydrants but not for four or five days. So, I didn't know if because it was a new system. I don't know. But it'd be helpful if we got that.
>> Any other questions for Jill, you guys? Okay. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Final motion, please. >> Motion to adjurnn. >> A second. >> Second. >> Okay. We'll call the role. Mr. Smith. >> I. >> Mr. Niccastro. >> ID. >> Hi. >> Mr. M. And Mr. Dykins says I as well. The meeting at 9:33.
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