##VIDEO ID:0ZRwvydBY5k## e okay good evening everyone a little bit I thank you 7:00 according to somebody's phone and uh we will be uh starting the meeting here this is the chouns Conservation Commission um calling this meeting to order my name is Carl Bishoff I'm the chair of the commission uh we will will be following the published and posted agenda with uh couple of changes one change is that we we will be swapping the order in the regulatory section first of all the first uh in the regulatory session we will open that 61 Smith Street but we will not have discussion that will be continued so that will uh be continued to a future date for discussion but we will open the hearing um and then the second and third ones we're going to flip-flop so we will be doing hildr before payot um so just so you have that in your in your plan um this meeting is both in person and through zoom in the case of the zoom not working uh properly we will continue the meeting in person only the meeting is being broadcast and recorded by chumon tele media and will be available on their website and on YouTube YouTube and we do have a quorum here tonight we have six members of the commission uh and we will get started we will our first order of business is always open issues from the citizens if there's any uh public input or concerns for anything related to issues within the jurisdiction of the commission that are not on the agenda for tonight um you can come forward with the comment uh with letting us know about something yes sir good evening John Abbott 384 North Road 159 Dunstable Road and a member of the board of director of L Sportsman's Club I'd like to ask about what is going on with the water height at Swain's Pond um when I grew up there there was probably 5T of water in the pond last four or five years it's been severely reduced and now most recently DPW or storm water have gone in ripped the dam out and reduced it to a puddle um we'll say the top of the pond with deep Brook comes in and Scotty Hollow comes in you can walk across the frozen mud there's no water down at dunable Road and where the dam was um the water has there six or seven Ines of ice that's frozen to the bottom so I don't know what happens to the the frogs the turtles the snakes that have buried into the mud for the winter or the Beavers that have um banking beavers on the Sportsman Club side that their dens are wide open so i' just like to know if you're aware of it and what's the reason for it or what's going to happen with it yeah I've heard about this briefly but David do you this is this is the first I've heard that a dam was a guy uh a friend of mine uh Stevie L was supposed to have reached out to you and he he he did storm water he he he did um he but but he he did not mention that it was because a dam was removed um I I I think he mentioned yeah there was a culvert down there no there's a there's a stone there's a Stone Arch or covet goes on the Dunstable Road and there's a there's always been a wooden there blocks of granite in there with boards in it and they've all been I don't know what damage they've done in there but so so did I hear you say that DPW was DPW or storm water was in on the private property on the corner of Swain Road in there with the back ho that was less than a month ago uh okay well uh I'll I'll have to check with them you know they they they may have um they may have I know that they did contact me uh about needing to do some work um that my understanding was under an existing approval that um they had already been given by the Conservation Commission but C certainly uh if if I had understood that it was removing a dam that would you know uh drain most of the water out of Swain Pond I I never would have given that kind of approval so so so there's a misunderstanding somewhere I'll I'll I'll I said when I was a kid we used to fish in that pond and there was there was probably four or five feet of water in it m the last four or five years it's been it's been substantially lower for what reason we don't know but you could walk if you didn't get stuck in the mud you could walk walk across it with a pair of hip boots and now it's the water's gone uh I'll I'll call DPW first thing tomorrow okay you know and ask them what they did and or what they thought they were doing just put it on your radar thank you sure thank you John BL John anyone else that yeah I talk all right next we have uh we have Caroline parley talking about the uh proposal for hay cultivation and moing at the uh the coolest farm parcel hello hello Caroline how you doing um so I'm Caroline parley I own parley's Farm in chumford um and I was given a lease of that parcel um for last year where I was able to start my hanging process um not really sure what you need for me it wasn't super clear okay so you're looking to renew the lease essentially and it's for haying for the parcel yes and um the uh I know there was some wetlands in that area we David we talked about getting those flags re yes reset there were eight or nine or something like that we think so we want to get that taken care of um anything else that you want to throw in there so so um you know I don't have any major concerns with this I do think an RDA should be filed you know just for the sake of consistency and I don't think that um it needs to be held up pending replacement of the flags that can't be done now anyway um and I'm certainly happy to assist you with that um I can I can email you the form and you can get started on it and if you have any questions if you need any help just let me know all right it's under um a federal um conservation um uh plan right now um so I should be getting some information from the USDA okay um about that as well that I can share with you okay that would be good and any and any sort for the RDA any sort of plan you have website plan you have yep that that would be a help um I I I think Caroline has already told me that it's not a huge issue to to respect the 25 foot no disturb so back so it's just it's it's I want to respect it but I also I need to be aware of where I need to be sure yeah and and we can we can talk about the details a little bit more during the hearing but I certainly think that that a a split rail fence could be put out there at the town's expense I think I think that would be a reasonable thing to do okay Qui um hi yeah um quick question I'm just curious how much of the from a Hing point of view how much of the field do you kind of lose by taking out the Wetland buffer that we're supposed to I mean I mean it's a good chunk unfortunately yeah um it is considered Agriculture and um I was reading the law it it is normally it would be allowed um if the land had kept in agriculture because it's considered forage hay is forage um the law isn't super clear about what happens when the land comes back into agriculture unfortunately um yeah I think that's there there's a gap in the law there unfortunately it doesn't cuz I have the USDA plan I it's under an agricultural lease but it's but that doesn't super proed the town bylaws I don't know cuz it's not no no not not for new agriculture the the the agricultural exemption does not renew um after five years so so you know all all of all the activity must abide by all of the current regulations okay I mean you know commission can you know certainly wave you know the the the bylaw regulations if you want you feel there's a good reason to we can do that well let's get to the hearing let's let's get to that to that point and uh so submit the RDA um I think we would like to have a lease uh terms and try to figure out what that makes sense and come up with a a a a length I think they have the Rd has RDA has to be renewed every three years is that yeah the determination of applicability uh does not extend beyond three years and and there is there is no provision for extending determination liability MH so so that would have to be filed again after three years the other the alternative to that is to file a notice of intent yeah that's a lot more work that's a lot more work you don't want to go seems like Overkill yeah yeah yeah yeah the RDA every three years is M you have to come see us okay I like coming to see you guys we and we can help like I know what the form looks like but you we can help you so it's not yeah a big expense because it is Town land after all yeah right then there'll be no fee okay or anything like that I I just want to take good care of it and make it mutually beneficial um I've also taken out insurance on it um working with the national federal Conservation Commission or nrcs not um MH right and yeah cool and okay so if you work with David he he can help with the RDA and um okay we can come up with some terms on a lease yep sure sure I mean you you had an a I have a it's it's pretty basic um maybe maybe there's but that's the one that I have for Sheen it's basically copy paste okay Ian and then they just change the address there may be no reason not to use the same one but you can you can email that to me okay um is there anything you wanted to add no I just I just want to make sure that come with the speaker I'm Henry parley um I'm the farmer before this one um I'm the one that pays some of the bills um just you know you guys got to be aware that you know there is a significant investment on our part to go put these fields back into production and you know Caroline was quite distraught the other day when she found out she didn't have a lease um you know we putting you know you not what time and money a lot of time and money yep I'll just leave it at that understood all right yep yep very good so so I'll email you the Rd RDA form tomorrow all right that sounds good and so we're all set for the evening and we're yeah I think well thank you very much for um letting me talk all right thank you thank you thanks carine okay next up John hello John John is here go John Ray 223 pin Hill Road um I'm I'm I got two things to talk about one one the Fieldstone issue Carl and and uh David and I are going to be meeting tomorrow I'm gonna bring my wife if you don't mind um I would like to talk about um the incident that I came into with you and Caroline okay that's up to the the as a neighbor I'm just going to say as a neighbor I was surprised that it wasn't waved okay because my understanding John you can verify this Paul went to the parle to request that the field be ha for the preservation of the agriculture um in town okay and so it's not so much for their ability to make money but it's it's to the town's benefit to have that field hate and then we're hitting them with a requirement that's fine but we also have the option to wave it and it would have been nice if that had been done ahead of time that's all I want to talk talk about thank you okay next up on the agenda is uh 20 Russell Road so David do you want to set this up this is a not a hearing this is um just talking about when this this was before us in the past already with one previous discussion so uh the commission uh presume presumably remembers that uh Mr Hammer of uh llex who's up at the podium right now and his client um Mr Lee waving his hand were here at at a prior meeting I I was that back in June uh yeah like more in the fall it was uh it was in the fall something like that where where the both of them were um introducing the commission to Mr Lee's desire to build uh a house um on a portion of the property he owns on Russell Road um why don't why don't I bring that up right now so it's a large large parcel um I have plans too if people are interested in I'll I'll I'll I'll bring those up uh Matt I just want to sort of or Orient people or re reorient people so so this this is the parcel right here um this this is um Groton Road this is this is the the parcel um I think is this is this is your this is your house Dylan right y um so and it's and but it's it's over here it's over in this area that you would like to build the new house that's correct so um that's that uh so what so what plan would you like to look at first Matt so uh if you could bring up the existing conditions plan okay it would be great this zoom in a little bit on that so I assume you want to sort of focus in on this area here okay so uh good evening everyone for the record my name is Matt Hammer with llex engineering and I I really appreciate you uh uh having us here for an informal discussion to continue a discussion that we had last fall um we left the meeting um with some hope um that if we uh further investigate some issues that are in the surrounding area and show a a level of um appreciation for the comments um the condition of some drainage issues that were um present on this car Path Road as it intersects with Russell Road and we explore solving some overall issues um we were hoping to uh meet with the um you know the DPW meet with the conservation agent clean out these uh existing drainage issues evaluate those issues to show that we um have have solved some of these problems that have had been longstanding in this area and hopes that the commission could see the effort that we're putting in in order to consider us um developing this lot on the corner so if you could expand out David um this this the same um yeah so at the intersection of of car Path Road and Russell Road there was a flooding problem over the years so we said okay well what is that problem and we we realized oh that's great can you zoom in just a yeah right there so we realized that there's catch basins that were completely full of sediment um to the point where the sediment was completely over the catch Basin so when we actually went out and did a survey we we didn't even see them so we so we we discovered them we hired a um uh a drain cleaning company to um flush out the catch basins flush out the CTS and get them fully you know we did a little bit of repointing where the frame meets the uh structure itself and then we realized that there were three structures that were just completely inundated with uh sedimentation so we cleaned all that out what we then did was um you know notified uh you know David that they were discovered we surveyed in excuse me all that information so we now have an expanded uh plan which uh fully shows those systems those systems are here and here as well as in here excuse me did you say you had paper plans too I do can I see one yeah sure I can't see that too well on the TV thank you thank you so we were happy to discover that the the drainage problem was now beginning to be solved by cleaning out the existing Drainage Systems we then met with uh Anthony Ruchi um and um Miss Courtney Tom son had a had a meeting with them to show them the discovery of these systems they were happy that we discovered them and cleaned them out and then we went and um met with uh Mr Coons again to say okay what should we do next well the next phase was to to analyze whether those systems are actually function as they sit there today so there was a directive uh by V email by David C that said um you know why don't you analyze these systems for the two the five year storm and we would uh as much to analyze them for the 100-year storm if you could zoom out a little bit more David where where are these structures I'm having trouble even with a big map right here okay they right here can you point that out so we can all see it we unknown tell us it's on to property or privately owned [Applause] property this would be on private uh property not owned by the town on a private drive is it mr's property it's it's she has a microphone for the entire area we we need to bring that back here please yeah we need to have the discussion up here please yeah so maybe you could zoom out a little bit more David want to see the entire lock just a little bit more yeah right there so you see that car path comes down to the intersection and there's a catch Basin down at the end that was full of sediment and no longer functioning got all cleaned out and then what we did is we did a subcatchment analysis and we provided a uh a uh storm water supplemental analysis on the area to ensure that the contributing area that is captured by that catch Basin actually functions as it sits there today cleaned out we did that analysis and we were happy to see that it does actually function as it's installed for the contributing area that it would that that's contributing to it that analysis was provided to Mr uh co uh or David um we said we had a meeting to go over those calculations to ensure him that um that we're happy that we've solved that problem for the intersection now the the long-term problem is a is a function of uh implementing an operation and maintenance plan which I'm sure the commission is familiar with how do you do that how does it get um administered who's responsible you know can they provide uh you know yearly um uh you know maintenance records to show that the systems are being cleaned out and maintained properly and that's where we come in because we can take on that responsibility we can take on that responsibility by providing that as an attachment on a on a deed for for Russell Road and we would be willing to do that um in an effort to you know try to get our home on the corner of for Russell Road because now we would have a mechanism where we could attach it where right now the problem would just continue unless the neighborhood just wants to clean it out of their you know Goodwill but we could Ensure that that gets done um by attaching it to a deed so now a responsible owner would be required to uh facilitate the uh operation and maintenance of that storm water device I've spoken to uh the DPW they don't they don't take care of Private Road M operation and maintenance of Drainage Systems right now so um that was just a informal discussion I had with DBT DPW but that was our take from that meeting so just to be clear both is it both Russell Road and car path are both not accepted town roads by the town correct okay they're they're private ways okay and there's a whole set of circumstances related to it being a private way it is what it is you know you got you and there's a lot of older roads in town that are private with utilities and water lines and Sewer lines and utility lines and um you know the replacement of the asphalt and everything else is um is not a a born responsibility of the Town necessarily to do all that but they uh but the town um my understanding plows Russell Road to maintain Public Safety to make sure that those roads are cleared excuse me they I I have to ask and these disch charg direct to the lake or is there yeah okay yeah so those are Char discharged directly to the lake thanks um if they're working properly oh well right if they're not working properly they would have to search charge and then Overland flow but you will have a a puddle for some some time and we've seen over the years um that when it was ponding and people are trying trying to pass on the road they were sinking into LOM on people's Lawns and creating a real mess and then you had more suspended top soil being you know carried with the water and everything else so um you're going to find that this this Improvement um is going to really help that roadway over time especially if it is continued to be uh maintained so that was good so then we um again we've met with David and and we had some further discussion about okay well that now we feel as all that problem is solved in terms of um uh addressing a a pending uh drainage issue and it now helps out everybody in that area getting passing and repassing the homes around there and now they're going to see that we have a they have a functioning drainage system which they probably did some time ago but now they get seeing that today and we've uh been analyzing these these rain events that were we've had more than 3 in of rain 4 in of rain we've only had a couple in the past um two months um and we have documentation we've been filming it we've been showing functionality with video uh Mr Lee has been getting phone calls from me when I feel as though they we're at peace on a rain event and he's been you know diligently maintain or showing in in in video that these these systems are functioning so I don't want to be labor that anymore um but when we met with uh with David we said okay well now what else can we do and we also have an opportunity uh because we know that there is some migration of some uh some turtles they're not protected Turtles but there are turtles nonetheless and we were thinking that we could provide a conservation restriction on this entire section here what does that do we could we can construct some uh nesting habitats in that area we could um split rail fence that area so there's no more dumping uh in that area so if you're if you're familiar with the area and you want to go up at night along car Path Road there's a very convenient place to to dump things along the stretch you know we feel as though split real fences awareness to the Sens of nature Turtle nesting areas Conservation Area do not dump that that you know can deter a lot of folks who just think they can just dump there and not harm anything that you'll get uh good results with uh awareness so we were thinking that's an additional thing that we could do to help with the area as well again we're just trying to do everything we can to better things in the area in in an attempt to to to see that developing this house on the corner can have benefits long-term benefits by correcting some of these areas especially with the Freeman lake so close with adjacency to the entire stretch of uh Russell Road so I've gone over the plan with you folks before I think you know what our intentions are we were um I have a question this first of all this is not a public hearing this is yeah so you know we know what we have we know we have sewer allowance we know that that's an issue in town so we've confirmed that we do have 30 330 gallons a day allowance uh per the uh the um the flow that's been allocated for this property um we would still need to pay those fees to do that we have water water we have electricity we want to do a flow through Foundation which would allow things to travel through pass through that property because they would essentially be um steel pilings in the building would be lifted off the ground and the the vehicle would be parked underneath so it would be a flow through Foundation even though we're not in the flood plane um it would be the the least obtrusive um way to develop the property and we can uh restore an area behind that house where there currently is a shed right now we can provide some extra protection uh for that uh Wetland area in the rear and we were hoping to see what the board thought um as part of that order of condition and like I said we could put on a deed you know to maintain these Drainage Systems which have been a problem in the past and um we would be hoping that we could come in for a notice of intent and our goal would be to be asking for this waiver of this 50 ft um the the building would be over 25 ft from the Wetland but we would be asking for a waiver to the 50 Foot setback well I think strictly speaking you'd be asking for two waivers that yeah that could be I'm not don't quote me on the waivers amounts but I I I can say that we wouldn't be disturbing an area that's not already Disturbed so there would be no tree cutting vegetation cutting or clearing in order to put the house there would be basically be put in an area that's already been Disturbed and then we would also be restoring the area behind where there's currently structure okay so uh okay so let me let me ask the commission your your thoughts unless David do you have anything you want to add at this point no not okay so Peter I think you had a question uh yeah just kind of simple um the idea of a conserv restriction mhm which you know you I mean that's sort of an attractive tradeoff which is why you're doing it but you know um how much of the property the remaining property you kind of pointed we could put a conservation on the rest of the property because it's Wetland but you don't really need to do that when it's a wetland resource area right yeah right um but the Upland area that was along car Path Road that's actually an area that looks as though it's not wet and there's been a long standing problem of uh dumping of leaves and things that affect that Upland direct Upland Habitat to that bordering vegetative Wetland so we thought that would be a um something that would really benefit the uh resource area by protecting that Upland area okay I just I have one other quick question Carl but I just wanted to comment um at least the town GIS shows a a either Vernal pool I don't know if it's certified um somewhere where it say says assessors map block 12 or somewhere in there and that's obviously of Interest yeah so so we that came up Mr span I I actually it's good that you brought that up so we're going to do a um um a habitat study during the vernal equinox time span that that needs to be done so we're going to do that uh this upcoming April okay I just in March I just want to make the comment that's totally in alignment with what we're trying to do on the commission is to protect those sensitive areas and and and I'll just add that I have emphasized to both Mr hammer and Mr Lee that even even if the commission is agreeable in concept to this approach that that does not absolve them of doing these these studies and you know like wildlife habitat evaluations whatever and uh you know of having having to comply with those types of regulations as well so right and I and we're not the planning board either or other zoning board so me there's other other questions that are out of our perview so thank you okay thank you that was a good good point there yeah I mean I just continue to have some serious concerns I mean we just done from a precedent in the past have looked really closely at any projects coming in having a a house you know closer than 50 foot to a resource it's a really you know it's a big burden a proof on the applicant to to convince us that that you know it's the best thing to do and we've got to look closely at all of our values and you know so anyway I hear the skepticism in your voice anyway that's that's me okay Mark uh I too that's that's obviously an issue with me too but you you want to take upon the the uh Street drainage in that area there yourself you want that to be your yeah going life I mean you're going to be there every year doing that taking sand out of there I mean honestly Mr Gibbs um we're going to get a buildable lot which is very valuable in chelsford uh chelsford needs housing um we know we can add some additional easement to uh Granton Road additionally although that wasn't something specific that the DPW wanted but it's really a minimal expense to um maintain those systems oh I'm sure it is it just I think I don't know you I'm not trying to say anything bad about you I think it's as good as a piece of paper it's written on was what do you mean by that taking care of those those those castings well the the I don't take care of them no I but you you you get into a contract with a company that you know removes those those those that debris they have to dispose of that debris it's they're they typically get lost though when the when as time goes on that's my concern hold on one sec so so no well if those need to be um submitted you're going to find find this a lot more a lot more and more as we go through time with storm water maintenance that those are going to be commercial those are going to be required every year because you just can't rely on someone saying they're going to do them they're going to actually be a requirement I'm almost set okay Bill thanks um on the plan the 50 Foot from the lake yeah you kind of stopped it and you didn't continue it through the lot because there's a little that's good but can you bring up the other plan David do do you mind bringing up the other plan I have another plan uh so which um zoning site plan M this shows that [Applause] better more thank [Applause] you which so is this zoning plan did you say that or or both of them this basically the two 50 ft Rosses come to a small sliver right here that's the only part that's out of the 50 from either side in inside that yeah that's all you've got outside the 50 Foot notice there set back from both wetlands correct both Freeman Lake and the Ling back and and we were thinking and so anyways that that is the 50 Foot buffer from after you cross the street mhm and get towards Freeman lake so so based on that you'd have to get waivers from us for that mhm and then the footprint of the house is what's what are you looking for footprint of the house that's going to the footprint of the house yes it's on that it's on that plan yep and that shows the setbacks from the street yeah so that would that was where the only spot I could go there yeah we we we we felt as though we would get that we would have that structure greater than 25 ft from the Wetland in the back because that's the the the direct adjacent bordering vegetative Wetland from that house so what is the 25 foot in the front does it it's in the road in the road yeah so the back is the 25 yeah and the 25 in the back is could you pan over David to Sure hold on okay so you're out of the 25 in the back but I I just have an issue with the two wav is you're trying to stick this house on a sliver of outside our uh 50 foot so yeah and we would not be here if it wasn't for the fact that we have an existing structure there okay there's been a trailer there for years and years and years I understand so maybe it was good for a trailer but not for a house I know but we had a structure we had a we had a developed lot and we felt as though that you know we're not cutting down trees we're not creating the buffer in terms of you know clearing and everything and we're there you go there it is I'm you know we're just we're moving away from the Wetland and and trying to get an additional house put into into the town and we have uh utilities to service this so they anticipated that there would be a house on this town but time changes regulations are created and and and that's a problem so you'd be Paving a driveway here too right well we're going to do porest pavement or we could do stone so the only impervious would be the footprint of the house correct and then what are you going to do with the rain water from that that'll go right into the ground and that's considered clean you know how how far down the uh I know this isn't a meeting right I know yeah yeah but we would assure you that that water would go through where's the water table do you know how deep it have you done test holes literally the water tables down like a foot and a half so your water's not going too far it's just going to go that correct it's just it's just the whole area is essentially sand and the the water is just within the system underneath it so we know that the water moves and throughout that sand substrata and um I I I truly believe that this house would not adversely affect the Welling all right that's all I had for questions okay thanks Bill joh on I uh I agree with Billy I was going to bring up the thought about the trailer being there for years been there for as long as I can remember okay uh I don't see how a house is replacing the trailer I can't figure this spot out all I was saying was I wasn't saying it was a direct replacement all it was saying that we're moving the house further back from the Wetland this is this is the current structure right there and then moving the house and putting this house in and um you're it's an added benefit because you're now restoring this area here from the structure in the fencing and the the brush that's behind it that's vertical for the Wetland in the back so there's an added benefit to the um Upland area to that bordering vegetative Wetland and then if we can get that 25 foot as no no um disturb and never to be touched then that's an added benefit to the um to the bylaw of the 25t No No disturb okay so try anything else I I just I'm having a hard time with yeah so the trailer taking the shed you're talking that as a structure it's just a shed okay uh I'm having a hard time with this right so this um so you're hearing the comments here um I think what you're looking for is some indication of whether or not this plan's going to fly um should you even submit the the plan because right now this is not a hearing this is a this is a discussion so I you heard a fair amount of skepticism here but I didn't hear any like absolutely no kind of things but I think you have to make your decision you have to read what you heard from the questions that we were bringing up I don't know if David if you wanted to add anything else um the only other thing I would I would want to add um so Matt I think you said earlier that no trees are proposed to be taken down which which again I think that's really important if this is in fact a Vernal pool back here you know the commission has been quite um adamant about that that no trees need be taken down in the buffer zone of a Vernal pool so but if this is if this is the tree line right here it looks like maybe maybe some trees taken down or yeah I I mean I would I would move that stairwell and red the size if necessary okay I mean it looks it looks here like you wouldn't have to take down any trees if if in fact the house is going to be in front of this um yeah the structure right here it looks like you could get away without taking that any trees right yeah there's ways to modify the the size of our footprint um we just kind of look you know there is a longstanding problem in this area that doesn't seem like anyone's putting their foot forward to solve and we've been um doing that in an effort to for for obvious reasons and we were hoping that um for the future of this area that that would be looked upon as something that the commission could look at as that could be an added benefit to to to going through this exercise that that's a that's valid uh however you know the the area could create an association and make this happen as well although part of it's on a private private land but um that you know that's a possibility as well who owns that lot on the Conor uh uh the the Mr Dylan Lee and his um his wife Laura Luna okay that's where the catch Basin is oh well they own they own a house on Russell Road and this lot they so they own two lots which which one on Russell it's 20 they're right on the corner with cart it's the one one more in from that corner of cart path this one right here okay all right so um I I I don't think we need to go any further I I know there were people here from the area at the neighborhood but it's really not an open hearing we're just having a discussion sure um and I I think you can appreciate that we we're not making any decision here we're providing some feedback to the applicant and um it's it's his call if he's going to move forward so so is it is it fair to say that um Mr hammer and Mr Lee can go ahead and file a notice of intent but the commission no guarantees absolutely yeah accur that's what I was hearing here was a fair amount of skepticism can can I throw one thing on the table yeah this is the hard part right we're supposed to you know you know the drill protect wildlife and res values and the problem is we don't have data nobody does really on these properties to know where the wildlife moves around I mean the turtles you talked about um but to my way of thinking and this is not an opinion on whether I would approve of the thing or not but given that Wildlife Corridor thing the more native plantings around that yard to facilitate movement of the critters now again I'm saying that not knowing where the critters move and that's the the data Gap we have MH but the more let's just call it eco-friendly a development is that gets my attention so you're talking about some of that you already threw some on the the forest pavement and whatnot but landscape landscape shrubs native stuff yeah not crazy and I don't mean like big fancy perennial gardens but just some bushes and trees understood think about that we know what those are um we know what that vegetation is and we would uh come in with a robust vegetative plan to address that um or anything else that would be required through the notice of intent proceedings um but you know we wanted to show the board that you know we're going to we would do everything that we would need to or what it anyone should do to um to make this proposed building um beneficial or to not be adversely affecting the surrounded surrounding resources but to to actually be providing an added benefit and I think that uh with some of the items that I've outlined and and additional ones if we go forward with the notice of intent can be achieved and and I appreciate everyone's time okay so thank you let's if this was a hearing I'd say closed but for the moment for the evening but uh we'll move on in the agenda thank you very much okay uh I don't see here tonight uh I am online oh on zo oh there you are hey Chris were you out too many nights this week yeah sorry could in person my name boy Lea's on hello Chris hi um so as you probably have heard last night we had our special town meeting where we did pass the local Adu bylaw um so that's going to the attorney general for review now um at our last planning board meeting on January 22nd we endorsed the open space and Recreation plan um good job on that gentlemen uh it's a really good plan and I think that the uh really looking forward to seeing the implementation um of that um the we did review the lighting bylaw changes that uh is going to be co-sponsored for the Springtown meeting um Kelly Bey and the planning board um are going to be co-sponsoring that so we will be um hearing more about that soon we had uh 65 dunable hearing and four palot um I'm not going to steal Casey's thunder tonight so um I'm not going to comment on that but it was a good uh hearing um and we are pretty close to um closing that out soon um we reemphasized the preferred approach for the planning board um for the uh aquafer protection Gap analysis um we do want to have a full board discussion um with the consultant because a lot of us have different opinions on what went right and what went wrong um in some of those hearings um February 12th is our next meeting we'll be finalizing the lighting bylaw and flood plane uh changes that we're going to be proposing for Springtown meeting and February 26 are the uh opening of the public hearing uh for those um zoning changes that we'll be uh talking about we're also potentially going to add Kate's Corner uh zoning um clarifications and fixes to that um depending on how far we get over the next few meetings that's all I've got all right very good thank you Chris appreciate it quick question um yeah sure real quick uh hi Chris Peter here the lighting bylaw uh do you know if that's roughly the same that Kelly uh Bey I think is the fellow that kind of the same thing he's been presented to us and to you and maybe some tweaks but it's the same basic idea right the down lights and so forth and yeah and it's much improved um since the last time he presented it to the planning board so he he's been taking in all kinds of input from different uh Town departments and um other lighting experts in the state and outside the state um and uh conserv conservation groups and things like that he's um I believe he's talked to you guys and and taking in all of that input as well so it's a really good um bylaw proposal thank you from the turtles and the other Critters thanks Chris appreciate it all right so next up on our agenda we have a notice of intent uh for Mr thong Hong Hong at 61 Smith Street as I said before we will read the notice of intent to open the hearing but the meeting uh the hearing will be continued uh upon so there won't be any real discussion here so if you could read the the notice Chris Mr chairman pursuant to the provisions of the Massachusetts Wetlands protection act Mass general laws chapter 131 section 40 in the chord Wetlands bylaw chapter 187 the chord Conservation Commission will conduct a public hearing here in room 204 at the town offices on Tuesday January 28th 2025 to consider the notice of intent filed after the fact by property owner thong hung for proposed work within Riverfront area in 100 foot buffer zone to bordering vegetated wetlands and Inland Bank at 61 Smith Street further identified as assesses map 32 block 122 lot 3 the project entails construction of an addition to a single family residence Associated grading and insulation of rooftop drainage infrastructure replacement of existing deck installation of utilities and driveway repairs Mr chairman thank you Chris so uh without any further discussion I'll take a motion to continue to our next meeting on February 11th Mr chairman I move that we continue this hearing until our next meeting on February 11 2025 motion from Chris second second from Mark any all in favor I I MO is unanimous okay we'll hopefully see that at our next meeting um on February 11th Thank you very much Chris you did a lot of heavy lifting there all right next up um I don't see Brian is Brian online or are we doing 10 hildr uh yes but I don't see Brian I don't think so you there Brian well then why don't we did we we went a little out of order would that yeah I don't I don't think that would throw him off though I don't think so was that that wouldn't throw Ryan off he No I um I so so actually pretend hildr though um you were going to go through your uh discussion with the Town Council yes so why don't we why don't we go through that okay sounds good so these are the questions um well so yeah Town Council responses to agents questions are in red so my my questions are in Black so we can just go through an order here um so pertaining to the first three do the rare species protection provisions of the chelsford Wetland bylaw give the Conservation Commission the legal authority to first of all require all or portions of a chainlink fence and priority estimated habitat located in areas outside the Conservation Commission regulatory jurisdiction uh I.E outside of wetland resource areas they're they're Associated 100 foot buffer zones and Riverfront area so council's respons response to that was in my opinion the commission may only regulate areas within its jurisdiction 100 feet away from any resource area and 200 feet from any River therefore requiring fencing outside of the buffer zone is not provided for in the general Wetlands by law and would be subject to challenge no seems pretty clear clear um next one is um require additional monitoring and Reporting conditions supplementing those proposed by the applicant and approved by nhp natural heritage and endangered species program for a turtle nesting area proposed to be located in bordering land subject to flooding please see the open sand area shown on the attached NHS nhp approved turtle habitat restoration uh and enhancement plan this plan for instance uh proposes only a three-year monitoring and Reporting period with no species identification while my experience is is that such planes generally provide for at the very least a five-year monitoring reporting period and identification SL documentation of species utilizing the nesting area council's response in my opinion since the general Wetland bylaw protects where species habitat the commission May regulate areas within jurisdiction that are proposed for Habitat so the answer is yes if the commission wants to the commission can uh impose um additional conditions to what uh have been proposed by the applicant and to natural heritage and approved by natural heritage third question uh hire a consultant at the applicant's expense of course to peer review the nhp decision council's response pursuant to General Law chapter 44 section 53g the commission may require a peer review of the application and submittal provided the applicant has agreed to follow the requirements of n of the NH decision the peer reviewer in in my opinion May review the nhes decision as part of the application so the answer is yes the commission can if it chooses hire a peer reviewer to look at the NH P decision um next next question next and last question was additionally not necessarily conducted connected with rare species concerns can the bylaw be construed to provide a jurisdictional 100 foot buffer zone to bordering land subject to flooding also know known as 100-year flood plane please note that the commission has historically interpretated the interpreted the bylaw to provide a 100t buffer zone to isolated land subject flooding and in unbank regardless of whether those areas support Wetland vegetation Andor hydric soils council's response the town of the town of chelsford General bylaw section 187 D2 jurisdiction includes land subject to flooding or inundation by ground water or service water uh and therefore in my opinion those areas are subject to jurisdiction however the bylaw also defines buffer zone as the lands out to a distance of 100 ft horizontally that that join the following uh Annie freshwater wetlands marshes wet Meadows bogs swamps vernal pools Springs banks reservoirs legs ponds of any size beaches lands lands underwater bodies intermittent streams Brooks and Creeks as you can see the definition of the buffer zone does not include land subject to flooding or inundation by groundwater or surface water and therefore in my opinion those areas are not subject to a bu Zone um so i' say I would say the main motivation for asking that question um with regard to this particular project is that that there are there are certain aspects of this project that are within the buffer zone to Borderland subject to flooding um I know I know the town the the the town I came from Lancaster it was explicitly within its bylaw and regulations that bordering land subject to flooding does have a buffer zone and that the commission therefore could regulate um you know activity within that buffer zone but that's not the case here according to council so I don't I don't know how much more you want to discuss this without Brian being here yeah I think um that's perhaps not fair um without Brian being here to respond so um I would say though that you know we the the first one we talked about you know the um they just said the chain link fence we probably don't have jurisdiction the second one um we could add conditions and the third one um we could hire a peer reviewer this is a to me a this is what we should be thinking about yeah I think I think that's the key one yeah if we were to hire a peer reviewer to review the natural heritage's decision then what you know that's what I think we have to think about is to what end do we do that um just because we can and the peer reviewer comes back and might say I don't agree with the natural heritage decision I don't think the state's going to care I don't I don't know but we have to think about about that so uh I don't know that we want to as I said and and the last one I don't think is is much to discuss there it seems like we're always moving the goalpost a little bit further every time well we're trying to understand our jurisdiction I think here yeah yeah and it's this is a tough one and I and I would just remind the commission is that we only just recently got um the natural heritage decision right I mean we you know the applicant well the representatives have been telling us for months and months and months oh you know we're working on it we're working on it when in fact I think what actually happened was that they they didn't actually file with natural heritage until they got the final plan and they could they could have been more honest with yeah I I understand that but yeah I think it was a little I don't know I so so so so again I'll just repeat we only just really saw this this decision from natural heritage so I guess personally Carly I I'm not in favor of an additional peer review of the National Heritage decision they they made the decision and I I don't think that's going to produce evidence is worthy of keeping this open any longer than it has been that's just my personal opinion could could could I add could I add something I'm just thinking out loud here um the natural heritage review was endangered species not Wildlife so they were looking at are one or two endangered species I guess we're not supposed to say out loud but everybody knows what they are um so I guess I would need to think about that but you know to me it's the real big question in my mind is wildlife yeah which we're kind of past that and the turtle thing I mean what's like to happen with a peer review they say like you should put a different kind of dirt in the turtle nesting area it might be something like that but it's not it'll be restricted to that one species and the state agency responsible wait in and maybe the peer review is just make sure natural heritage crossed all the te's and you know dotted the eyes I don't know thinking out loud yeah I know but David has been pointed with them a couple times with natural heritage and they're claiming the you know that they knew all the information up front so any other comments I as I said I'm not sure I'm comfortable with doing a whole lot of discussion here without without the applicant I think I think he should be here he should be here yeah so why don't we why we shut down the discussion for now we'll continue this till the next meeting well I mean do we know if he's coming later tonight or we had any word at all or uh no I haven't heard nothing from him I I assumed he would be here he's usually here when he is here he's usually here right at the beginning of the meeting so it's uh it is a little odd that I haven't heard anything he's quite good about being at least so can I so at what point are we at now we how close are we to doing the order of conditions um I I think I could draft an order of conditions you know based based on these are the only outstanding questions you you really kind of right have right yes yeah I mean it's I think again being careful not to have too much discussion I I I think though that it would be within the realm of possibility that if if the commission did uh hire a peer review consultant uh to look at the the natural heritage decision I would say it's within the realm of possibility How likely it would be I don't know that maybe the order conditions could be influenced by what the peer reviewer comes back with so I would I I would say I I think asking you to start drafting the order conditions makes sense at this point do we need to discuss the fence and what type of fence be that would help we need the chain link fence huh we'd like it but we can't you don't need like no I'm just saying you could require it in your jurisdiction I mean you could require it in the buffer zone and and in the bordering landine subject of flooding is that the best thing for the turtles I don't know that might be that might be a good question for the review consultant you know um but the applicant if I remember correctly proposed a rail fence split rail I mean we're discussing this supposed to all right yeah all right so let's let's let's table it let's just I think we need to shut it down now we'll table the discussion till the next meeting Carl I move that we continue this hearing until our next meeting uh which is uh February 11th tonight no not tonight we can't because we're not going to the applicant's not here sorry um but I do want our agent to get a hold of U the applicat representative find out what's going on because honestly I mean he was here at the last meeting he should have been here right so I'm like not I'm frankly not happy he's not here and he had no word with our agent and you folks the public are here and went to the trouble of you know there's a lot of other places you could have been at than here so good very good if you could convey our our uh our concern it be good definitely yep maybe he's got a legitimate reason could be I mean could be a medical that there's not at least a represent okay so motion from Chris to continue to February 11th second second from Bill all in favor I okay sorry folks thank here yes all right Hospital folks can we be quiet clear in the room please thank you very much appreciate it um for let's go to uh next hearing is the notice of intent for four payot drive and the applicant is here all right hey Casey hello uh good evening to the commission Casey Ferrero with Howard Stein Hudson um so I will say that based on last meetings discussion um we did take uh the considerations uh pretty heavily um and we put our our creative hats on and and how can we add uh some plantings um which you know in turn kind of create some habitat uh in a in a manner where they're going to actually survive um you know with the overhead tree canopy of the existing Woods it's really you'd have to plant shad survival kind of bushes which are usually or sometimes not salt tolerant so you know there's a give and a take a pushing a shove on on what can survive and where you know water tolerance Etc and it it kind of dawned on me that you know maybe the best option to create or provide an area for planting would be let's let's bite the bullet and let's take out all that pavement that our client doesn't want there anyway um you know it would have been our preference to have the person who paved it uh have to remove it but in in being that this would be kind of the optimal area to provide some plantings and provide some restoration uh we decided you know let's get a cost and let's figure out what it's going to take if we can just remove that pavement ourselves and then restore that area with you know some wild flower seed mix and then also add in some plantings in doing so um what we came to realize was that is approximately 50 I think it was 5200 ft of pavement which is greater than the net Inc inrease we originally were for impervious on the site which then in turn puts the project into a Redevelopment project rather than a development project um which then takes our standards that we have to meet and turns them into Redevelopment standards um in doing so um while we still need a pawn to meet these standards uh the pawn gets significantly smaller to meet these standards even with a reduction in rate even with a reduction in volume the town still requires TSS treatment phosphorus treatment um for redevelopment project so we're still achieving all of that and essentially the plan stays exactly the same as far as treatment um the only thing that changes is the size of the pond and the disturbance that comes as a result of the pond that is that on the next sheet Casey yes if you go actually to the grading the grading sheet which should be number three I actually I'll go up there and walk you through it um so in reducing this Pond the original amount of trees estimated to be removed was 16 um our original reduction of the pond that we brought to planning board last week uh reduced that the tree removal from 16 to 8 um which we thought was great and a a great net benefit um the planning board somewhat agreed um they actually happened to like the previous orientation of the pond better um because it allowed a pipe discharge to kind of the areas where the abutters are concerned instead of the full Weir overflow um which in the last plan that we showed to the planning board I'll actually come up here so I can show you guys so with the smaller Pond we didn't need that pipe Outlet anymore to meet the storm water standards so we put the Weir which is the Overflow of the pond on this bottom side because that's the only location that we could get the elevations to do so that wasn't optimal for the Plenty board they wanted us to maintain the original albeit smaller footprint of the pawn but the same orientation where we had a pipe outet discharge to reduce the flow going sort of directly at the abutters and then have the main overflow still go directly to the right so that it comes up and around and doesn't go directly into that Swale and into that ditch um so you know we pulled that compromise we said okay if if that's going to be um you know where you sit and if I can if I can bring back the smaller Pawn but the same orientation um you know I'll do that unfortunately that resulted in a loss of two more trees so we're down from 16 but now we're at 10 trees removed um so that's that's the changes on the drainage side I'll I'll say um although this this plan we fully engineered the plan that we were going to present to planning last week with this change this this added outlet and the outlet revision hasn't been re vetted entirely but I will say the previous plan netted a reduction in the 100-year storm event of over 1,000 cubic feet whereas the previous plan with the bigger Pond netted a reduction somewhere in 100 to 200 cubic feet so there is a a large increase that's not a great way to put it a uh a bigger decrease of of flow or volume going to this area as a result even of the smaller Pond and that mainly comes from removing all all of that impervious um as far as the trees and the habitat go so like I said earlier we want to remove all of that pavement and we want to restore that with some some maybe a wildflower seed mix or something just so that that doesn't end up bare soil and then eroding away so we want to have something there that's going to take and prevent it from running off into the uh Wetlands but we also want to plant I think what we've come up with so far is at least two deciduous trees um locations to be determined on these final plans that you'll see um and then 14 other bushes going back to the original 16 total that we were going to remove although now we're only removing 10 trees um and what we're going to do with those bushes is some of them will take shape inside that um the removal area of that pavement but a couple of them that are somewhat more towards ground cover we want to take and put down by this area of disturbance that we need within that 25t just to get that outlet out there so we want to kind of restore that area of disturbance to get that outlet in with a couple of the ground cover bushes to try and pull it back together beyond that uh I believe that kind of summarizes the changes and hopefully um being able to to pick out your concerns and and alleviate them so that you know obviously we don't expect a vote tonight you don't have a full plan you don't have full reports or anything um but but what we do want before we finalize the engineering and get it back to you is kind of an indication that you know we feel that planning board was okay with this plan we feel that they are comfortable with moving forward with this plan uh we want to have a same level of comfort uh with you guys that we're not going to have to make any more major changes or or uh really kind of sharpen the the pencils any further than we have now um to to get to a plan that could be approvable by this commission okay thanks you want to start or D David do you have anything to add um no not really at at this point um I only we only just saw this plan Friday afternoon um I I would say in concept it looks good to me certainly to remove all of that pavement and then restore it um see what the details are in the proposed restoration plan but I think conceptually I think it looks good okay Peter thank you okay Chris I agree I mean I I like hearing that we're going to have a lot of payment removed and the impervious payment goes away and then if we can replace that with Native um habitat trees and and bushes that are native to us I think that's going to be good great okay Mark I I like the plan I I feel bad that all this is falling on the homeowner or the owner of the property especially behind cast stories there but it's definitely a plus for the area uh the pond I think is fine I I I think it did a great job of what you had to work with there and there's no winter here the to is unbelievable burden on home owning y nobody's not everybody's going to be happy on this plan but I think you did the best you could with it thank you Bill I'm happy with the plan too um do you plan on putting rip wle back of castor's with a with their hot top ends so right along this pavement Edge what we don't want is for these trucks to be going against a bare edge of pavement and then breaking that away and then eventually that roads and Roads so what we are going to do is um reinforce that whole edge with either a gravel pack or it's not going to be WP like big large stones but we'll put some some kind of gravel down it's going to be perious so it's not going to be you know letting off gravel dust and all that as it compacts more um but we are going to have it maybe 3 ft along that whole Edge but then where they have like a turn radius around the building we're going to expand it just so that they do have an area to maintain that turn because that is the reason they originally paved it so you you're kind of giving them a little area to work in uh did you uh do we still have the sale from taking a water from the other place yep so what we did maintain and since this is the area that we're removing all the pavement um there's not too much additional work into where there was a tree canopy to bring a Swale to come up and kind of redirect all that around to come around our our pond and our development there so when we first when this first came to us our biggest concern was the houses on danta with water coming from this lot anything we did here so with the smaller Basin compared to the Basin you had last meeting is there any increase in water no there's actually a significant further decrease and that results mainly as a net result of the removement of the pavement you think that all that water from that area was coming over feeding that yes so I mean that was my concern from early on because long before this project there had a lot of problems on D drive MH so I mean that was my biggest concern um no I'm very happy with this I agree with Mark it's a shame that the people that own the apartments we're forced into doing all this cost a fortune I mean and I just assume as fast as we can get it over with to wrap it up because every time you come or go to the planning board it's thousands of dollars right so looks good thank John uh I agree with Bill Mark Chris everybody what you get to work with you've done a good job uh no I mean I think you got to you got to go what you're working with that's how it's going to be you know you forced into it so you got to work with it so so just one more question so Casey um there'll still be runoff coming off of the cau's parking lot correct right there's really nothing you can do to prevent that it's just it's just managing it after it gets on to well so another function of that gravel area that we're going to put up against that is going to be kind of dissipate that flow as it flies off that pavement so that it doesn't erode away at what we're trying to create and restore there but it won't reduce the volume I will not be able to reduce the volume that's coming off of their pavement um but all I can do is disrupt the the the velocity of it so it doesn't erode away can you grade it in a way that'll push it further down you know can you grade that where you pull a hot top out make it a little higher so it brings the water further so it pushes it back on to cast stories yeah so I mean are you looking for it to go further this way yeah well is that possible this turns into a hill on this side so we'd have to basically get more into the buffer zones and more into the 25t no disturb on this side just to take down that hill to be able to allow it to go this way okay it's just a for conservation reasons you just prefer it to go it's natural path anyway that's fine I was just uh popped into my head yep okay so we're wanting to see the final plans um and um uh I would like to offer the public if you'd like to I see at least one member of the public who has has a an opportunity to speak if not wanted [Music] to you can sit down honestly all right it's it's not it's not too bad but thank you all right all right so Sia Fernandez 27 dunshire Drive um at the last planning board meeting we were all very excited to see that they were removing the pavement that was awesome we were concerned with the size of the retention Pond being reduced part of which because we've had many discussions they kept on saying not my problem that other Parcels were coming into it but now because it's satisfying their need all of a sudden they're removing all this pavement it's reducing it so there thereby we can make the retention pod smaller the trees that they're saving there there was concern that was brought up during the planning board they're inundated by Bittersweet we're not too sure of the actual health of them and how long they're actually going to stay um there was concerns about that I know a couple people went out and viewed it um this is the first time that I've seen this orientation of a plan I still have concerns with the outlet coming towards pallet Drive I mean the flow of water when that's coming out is still going to be coming not pallet Drive sorry towards dunshire the flow of the water that's still coming out of there it's still going to come towards us um maybe more towards the corner than where they had it at the last meeting where it was going directly again towards somebody's property so I'll be bringing up more concerns with the planning board I I guess my big thing here is I want to make sure that cuz I've seen other people come here but that area that they're removing the pavement I'd like to see it truly restored not just like some natives thrown in there but we've had conversations some of that area is within the 25 foot no disturb the 30 foot I mean that's really close to the wetlands so what type of plantings are they going to be required to have you know are they going to need to get a consultation for what they should be putting in there like other projects like make sure it's restored to where it should be so I think that was our our big our big concern um but I know that we're still concerned about the size like I said and some of the other stuff there so that's it thank you thank you thanks for the comments appreciate it um any further discussion we can continue can I just um Casey I imagine you'll do this but it would help help us approve it quicker if you specify address some of these questions on the next drawing but specify what you are proposing to plan yep yeah we'll have a landscaping plan that'll be submitted as part of and and remember this idea that if you've got crushed gravel under the removed pavement you're going to have to put in something to be able to grow stuff right so um and again this isn't a wetland replication right it's it's the restoration of a buffer zone um so the idea is we want to we want to plant it with a grass a wildflower grass or some other native grass that get it to take get it get it to start growing and then let it be you know let it grow let it grow to how it would naturally let it habitat let it habituate the way it would um but um you know we're not I'm not going to go to a wetland scientist and ask how we're going to end up replanting this and getting Wetland plants and all that stuff and if I could just comment I have some personal experience with a Sandy backyard MH that probably is kind of like this would be after you remove the pavement and again I'm no landscaper and there's no expertise here but I just mixed in a ton of compost and bought a seed mix from New England Wetland plants M and threw it down and let me keep going I put a net over it so the birds wouldn't eat the seeds and it's awesome it's full of flowers and I'm sure the neighbors would love that combined with the pond yeah to me is sure we're not calling it a restoration project but right I think you could get there without a lot of effort if you put it in the plan but why would why wouldn't you propose shrubs and trees as well as no I am I am going to Pro I'm just saying they're not going to be Wetland plantings okay you know as as dictated by a wetland scientist expand on the Wetland they're just going to be for the buffer zone yeah but we want quality obviously corre and and I and I and I think we need we need a full restoration sequence you know which includes you know removing removing the pavement and any subbase that's underneath it and replacing it if you know with soil or whatever that's what's going to be the best y plants that thrive with wet feet that's what we like okay I'll take a motion to continue the hearing to February move chairman there we continue this hearing till February 11 2025 second can I make a comment please oh sorry oh yeah sorry I wasn't sure if I was supposed to raise my hand figuring out how to do the zoom meeting Amilia Caputo stri weather 19 dunshire Drive I just want to say that um I last time I was at conservation I was really concerned about the lack of a landscaping plan and I'm very pleased to hear that there is one and there's a really robust one seeing that stretch of pavement gone is really pleasing me I'm grateful to hear that specifically deciduous trees are going back because that's all that's back there there's basically no pine trees or anything and the leaf litter is so critical um we get fireflies in the summer which is great I mean not a ton but like I we don't really think of chord as a firly type place so and I know the leaf litter is critical for their overwintering and so you know some trees have to go I'm glad to hear things that will continue to contribute to Leaf litter is being put back in I'm just I'm thrilled when I see the Firefly when I see our our butterflies all the different like lovely insects that we have that come in visit our yard because they're probably overwintering in the woods back there and so I happy to see that that stretch is being restored thank you very much thank you okay thanks for the comments and and just just one more thing I would recommend Casey is an invasive management plan as well yeah just and and really quickly I just I got to say this um when there's a development in your backyard and you want to preserve fireflies you always have the option of converting part of your backyard to yeah habitat just think about that so we have a motion from Chris and we have I saw John with a second all in favor I I so the meeting is adjourned until February 11th thank you very much thank you very much Casey and thank you for our our visitors and contributors um we are moving on uh in our agenda David will give us a quick update on 5961 Carlile Street um let's not have any discussion other than just an update just just quick update I'm just continuing to work with the consultants and town counsil on the best way forward okay all right and anything to update us on Freeman Lake uh no nothing new to report um I did I did ask the surveyor for a status update did not hear from him at least all right and update on kolis Farm um David and I will meet with John Ray tomorrow morning um some of his concerns um progress is happening along the way on the CR with the Sudbury Valley and the bdr and the USGS maps and the esa and the ABC and the DFG know all the alphabet soup stuff so we're making some progress on all that stuff um it's moving along um I wanted to throw in a couple things on the right reservation um the new walkway that was made um uh it kind of highlighted that the old walkway had some shortcomings it was or it was just old and so um there's been some repairs being done some of the the plankings being replaced that's been happening in the last few weeks so uh you'll start you'll see some more of that happening in the next few weeks um that's it's a good thing that's happening and as I think somebody mentioned at some point we did have the open space Oh Chris mentioned it the open space and wreck plan uh was presented to us to the planning board and to the select board and well received and all uh all endorsed the submittal of the plan to the state so I think they had a couple of tweaks they were making to the document um this week but uh I think they're pushing the uh or I don't know if they will or we will push the button to submit it but we'll figure that detail out but it's been I think it'll be ncog yeah n there there were some comment piy comments about a month ago from a resident are we was that being add in some fashion you you don't have to tell me how well I think the plan was revised so to incorporate yes I I haven't a chance I haven't had a chance to review it yet okay um I I believe they were Incorporated um some of them were P Mike Mike and um Mike and Megan said no we can we can address these so I I'm like you David I haven't had a chance to go back and and look at it but um I mean I'm sure we'll hear from those commenters if they weren't addressed but I'm pretty sure sure they were they they said they were going to so and now we have nothing else but meeting minutes so we have meeting minutes from December 10th and um that was a fairly short meeting thank God Christmas January 14th I'm so I move to approve the meeting minutes of December 10th 20124 chair motion from Chris do I have a second second from John all in favor I I motion passes take a motion to adjourn we don't have meeting minutes from our last meeting right not yet yeah okay you're getting really good but not that good we're getting good no I still want to roof set hair on fire but that's a different concept did you send out ones we already approved what did you already did you send out minutes we already approved no because we had a bunch of them on the last email you sent out it was a test was a test okay I say there was there was one email that had like four of them in there and you guys approved that a while ago motion to adjourn so moved Mo approved all in favor I thank you CH media good night e e e