good evening today is Tuesday February 25th it is 7 o'clock I'm calling this meeting the CHC Conservation Commission to order my name is Carl Bishoff I'm the chair of the commission we'll be following the published and posted agenda this meeting is both in person and through zoom in the case of the zoom
not working properly we will continue the meeting in person and the meeting is being broadcast and recorded by cheler Tel media and will be available on their website and on YouTube tube and we are missing one member of our commission and
we are still down one one member uh on our commission um but we are at 5 so we do have a quorum um and we will ask if there are any uh citizen uh concerns to be brought to us uh public input concerns relating
to issues within the jurisdiction of the Conservation Commission that are not currently the subject of a pending public hearing or elsewhere on our agenda nobody coming forward okay and we'll start with the report of the Planning
Commission liaison good evening Chris good evening uh tomorrow we have a pretty full agenda we only have one uh project hearing uh that's for palot uh we'll probably be uh finishing that up uh either uh tomorrow or the meeting
after um we do have quite a few uh zoning related discussions we've got a discussion to start the meeting at at 6:30 for Kate's Corner area for that uh neighborhood zoning then we've got public hearings on our town meeting
zoning amendments that we're going to be proposing uh we'll be talking about the lighting bylaw uh the uh flood plane bylaw and map changes the general zoning changes that are pretty minor in nature and then uh
we'll be discussing changes potential changes to the 129 overlay and that's pretty much the meeting for tomorrow okay all right thanks thank you thanks Chris and we will start off regulatory hearings the first one is a request for determination
of applicability uh Caroline parley pin hill roads assessors parcel 91362 D5 Caroline is the applicant and Chris will read the notice this is also known as the coolest farm uh conservation town-owned land so um Chris
will read the the notice Mr chair um pursuant to the provisions of the Massachusetts Wetlands protection act Mass general laws chapter 131 section 40 and the chood wetlands bylaw chapter 187 the chood Conservation Commission will conduct a public Hearing in room 204 of
the town offices on Tuesday February 25th 2025 at 7.m to consider the request for determination of applicability filed by Miss Caroline parley on behalf of property owner town of chord for proposed work with than 100t buffer zone
to bordering vegetated Wetlands at Pine Hill Road further identified has assess this map 91 block 362 lot 5 the project entails cultivation and harvesting of grass for hay grass will be harvested
mow two to three times per year from May to October Mr chair thank you very much David do you want to start us off on this uh well I thought Caroline present the presentation all right Carol if you want to just talk us through the the
describe the pictures that we're seeing okay so these um this picture I got from the USDA office um in the National Conservation um subsect and as you the smaller field is my own personal field
um across from my house and the bigger field right there is the field the what is it approximately six acres that um I would be harvesting hay in okay so it's 6 Acres of haying the
parcel itself is somewhat bigger 6.8 6.8 um according to the USDA it's about 6.8 so so you're playing MO two to three times a year yep it takes about two or three times uh two or three days to to
do it and then it's it's I'm probably there for like an hour or two every day except for the last day where I'm there for probably two and a half three hours so and so how often do you plant it do you you plant uh like once every 15 20
years yeah oh really yeah very low maintenance so so so you've already planted it yes under um my previous lease with the town manager okay and so you're not going to have to plant it again for that amount of time yeah knock on
wood unless some horrible invasive comes in but if I keep up with the Mowing and it should be okay and that actually leads into the next question was do you have experience dealing with invasives
Beyond just mowing any chance um so my I have the knowledge of my father who's been farming for much longer than I have um but I typically I try to do as
organic as possible my I always try to go organic before anything else and that typically includes mowing brush hogging pulling things up by hand if um but if it's
uh so bad to the point where it needs to be sprayed I do have the capabilities to do so okay um because I my recollection is there is a pretty bad investation of fr mes that's the the brown reads yeah I haven't touched those so I could
probably expand and plant there as well um C certainly if you want to submit a plan for doing that um I'm I'm actually not sure what the typical treatment or control of frag mes is usually in the Wetland though that's that's why I
didn't touch it I wasn't sure oh oh it's oh it's it is in the wetlands I don't know mostly you frag mes I thought I thought you well yeah that's that's generally that's true well I'll I'll take a look at it um and you know but feel free to do some research if you want sounds good um because even if it
is in the wetlands I think it'd be better to get it out of there my opinion I'm sure just simply just brush hogging it would knock it down quite a bit as well um if you're not familiar with brush hogging it's like a giant lawn mower that goes on the
back of the tractor and I just drive through it and it cuts it down pretty short takes no prisoners no that's all I have okay um Bill you have any questions yep um first of all I'm happy you're doing the Caroline oh
thank you there's not too many 20-some year old people who are interested in this type of work and I'm sure the coolest is will be happy to see it farmed again the ha and
uh I know your uh grandfather and your uncle if they were around would be giving you plenty of advice how to do it whether you want whether you want to hear it or not but I'm glad you doing it I think as a board I think we should do anything we can to help you do this with
the least amount of cost um work with you not be any type of adversarial relationship with us and uh because there's not too many people want to take something like this on there's not a lot of hay there to make it worthwhile you've already got an
investment there and what you did last year clearing it and pull the rocks out and whatever you did and planted it and you're going to have to Lime it too do you have to Lime it yeah that's um the USDA is working with me hopefully I can
get some funding but they're suggesting like two tons per acre which is a lot and it's going to take me probably 5 years to be able to afford that right um this isn't a big moneymaking that you're trying to do here so I mean from where
I'm coming from I want to work with you I hope the board want work with you and uh you I know your parents are proud of what you're doing here with the farm you've got a lot of history so uh that's all I had I just want to work with you I don't want uh thank you I really
appreciate that and I know I've talked to John swensson about that and he feels the same way he wants to see it be used as a hay field people in town going by will see how things used to be here when we were kids yeah you get a nice see
farming you get a nice view from 495 as well right people are going to see it so that's all I have all right thanks Bill Mark um I agree I'm I'm with this I'm glad it's getting done I'd like to see that you can main you're can have an
investment like you said of lime or uh over the period of time so I I hope the lease is going to be there for you to become BR lucrative for you I'm hoping so too and uh I I think uh whatever we can
do to make it easy for you I'm I'm on board for that is lucrative a word you use in farming yes it's like H marinized start with money and then you end up with less or something yeah yeah yeah sure carine you do other
places in Chums already Yes I so you've got you got experience doing it already this is just you're running an $80,000 tractor around not knowing what you're doing no no no I'm very familiar and I also um I restored a farm in similar condition in Westford probably two years
ago now it hadn't been farmed for several years and it looked very similar and now it's stunning I don't know if you've ever been by l Road in Westford old Adams Farm oh yeah oh nice I completely restored that and um now the
the far the farm owner is able to get his 61a and and he's able to like hold on to the land without having the taxes be too much cool cool I just one more comment what do you think you're going to yield for ha there for the first year
or two um so last year I got probably hundred bales of mulch it had a lot of like fox tailes in it I couldn't it had to go right into like gardening and
decorative stuff um I'm hoping to probably get 200 bales this year hopefully okay per cutting uh total oh two cuttings or if you do two yeah um is that about right to you yeah
the first since since it was receded the first cutting will be light hopefully we hope to get around 350 probably or 400 when theit when the fields yeah so not this year but the next we'll get a real and that the lime Situation's all over the
town we had it takeen do it at all our fields too mhm okay maybe a little bit of acidic rain couple years ago we had a lot of rain unfortunately that just yep set yeah what is the grass that you planted on there um it's a Timothy
Orchard Grass mix it was recommended to me by um my fertilizer company out in Western Mass and then I also had it approved by the USDA before I put it in I'm I'm just asking I don't know so I'm asking questions oh yeah it's so
it's a it's primarily for horses um I've got one horse who eats up all my money um and I sell to a few other customers in the area good all right anything we can do
to help let us know okay I appreciate that thank you very much I'm good Chris yeah I support this request I mean really couple reasons one it's really it's it's agricultural use and that's something I I support and encourage that town agriculture is really important and
given the town's Heritage and everything so we want to encourage and and keep that going as best we can here and then number two I me I think it's it's it's good for the town I mean it's good for the town the benefit to the whole town of maintaining you know this space the open space and in in keeping the look
and feel of town of chard being you know friendly to agriculture so I support this okay thanks thank you Peter uh hi hi agree with everybody oh wonderful have a question I have a I have a question though um what is the mower
height um it's adjustable um but we usually cut two Ines three to four three to four three to four and um you said that it you you don't do it all in one day so I cut it all in one day and then
I so I Ted it which is flipping it over so it dries for a couple days and then I bail it on the last day and when you mow I I I should have watched you last summer um do you mow like back and forth or around in a circle around in a circle
and does that Circle start on the perimeter or in the middle on the perimeter yeah yeah okay um I just wanted to mention one thing to you m and the commission and I don't have any particular recommendation here um but
I'm reading a field management guide prepared by our regional Watershed Association which is called Sudbury Valley Trust and they are their focus is um 38 36 towns kind of along 495 that
yep drain into the conquered and as of it and CBR River and they said a couple of interesting things in their fairly new field management manual that I found interesting I just wanted to throw them on the table for whatever it's worth just three things the first was there take is something that I was thinking
about grassland birds are they were saying that fields of this size are not particularly valuable ecologically cuz I don't know whatever for whatever grassland birds are so I thought that was interesting the second thing is they were
recommending uh a more height of 6 in on the basis that that would not run over Turtles snake other things that live there and I don't feel strongly enough to suggest that we put anything like that in the the permit
although we could I don't care and the other thing they were saying well actually two other things well I'll just say one more they were saying don't mow the way you described yeah now you know more because you do this I don't um but they were saying that when you mow on the outside going to the center if there
are you know Little Critters again I don't know what you see out there maybe you'll tell me you don't see any but if you mow the you describe you're sort of pushing them into the center and they get mowed um what they were suggesting is you know basically either back and
forth or some other yeah and I just throw that out for what it's worth mhm the the only problem with doing it um inside to out is it crushes the hay cuz the my mower runs on the side so if I run the tractor over the hay then
there's spots where the mower can't um pick up the grass cuz been crushed and the stocks been snapped yeah um I don't go particularly fast I'm not running a racetrack um if I see an animal usually it's field mice that's usually what I
run into out there um you you can take those please yeah and you know what the Hawks are right behind me every time I'm uh I'm in the tractor interesting I've got all of the the birds in my farm area trained
they hear the tractor turn turn on and they all come to see what's going on Raptors yeah Y and um now now you see this little book report I was reading mhm um doesn't talk about uh feeding Hawks as a benefit
which I consider a benefit yeah so anyway I just wanted to throw that out there there is some biology type folks that work on this kind of stuff and put some ideas out there um I'll definitely look into it and see if there's like a s link I would appreciate that I don't I don't feel personally like I want to dictate
how to do this cuz I don't know how M I'll um I'll uh I'll I'll take a closer look at that Wetland uh at some point um but just what what I've seen it so far my my guess is I don't think there are turtles out there I don't think it's a
particularly sensitive weapon I haven't seen any Turtles I saw a milk snake which was about 3 and 1/2 ft long really yeah it was beautiful get your attention yeah cuz well the coolest farm used to be a a Cow Dairy Farm so they there's
milk snakes there do you like snakes I like looking at them I'm curious how you react to a snake when you're on a tractor oh I stop and I get my stick out and I poke poke it until it gets out of my way right thank you Peter all right so
um it sounds like we're uh in agreement that we're going to move forward on this um this is a uh yeah this is a public hearing so if there's any public input on this uh anyone wants to jump in I don't see anybody jumping up okay chair
I move that we close this hearing okay motion from Chris to close the hearing second from I sawet uh Peter we'll go with Peter and all in favor hearing is closed so now we'll take a motion to approve the Mr chair I move to approve this uh request for
project with a negative3 determination um yes I that's what I recommend as well um but as far as conditions go the only the only thing um and and I should have done this long before now i' I've had it on my mind to check this um and it just
just everything's you know came up and I just got distracted first thing I want to double check is whether whether in fact there is an agricultural exemption in the bylaw um if if there is an agricultural exemption then you know I don't think any conditions are necessary if there's
not an agricultural um exemption then the conditions I would recommend it would be for the town to fulfill not Caroline is um get get get those Wetland Flags replaced and then and then put a fence
um delineating the 25t no disturb and we think it's about eight or 10 Flags in that um yes yes I think it's I think it's nine so again that's something the town would take care of the town would would take care of putting up uh the fence the 25 foot no disturb okay so if
if if if it doesn't have the agricultural exemption and and and again I I apologize I should have checked that long before now so that's more of a condition on US yes on the town yes yes I don't yeah I don't think no I don't I don't want to see the fence
there fence yeah okay yeah I was going to raise that there was talk about having rad reread our RS recently does talk about Vista or uh Scenic views or something to that effect so it's a
trade-off here well you know I think the reason I would recommend that condition is I think for consistency you know there have been uh two or three uh projects that the commission has approved recently which have required that the 25
foot no disturb be left undisturbed and put up some sort of permanent um uh demarcation of that so I think if the commission isn't going to be consistent I think I need to when somebody asked me about it I need to be able to give them
an answer you know why did the commission require it something in one case where they didn't require another case would the exemption depending on how was yeah the exemption the exemption would would settle that but but if but if the exemption isn't there then I
think the commission needs to be able to give a reason you know for being inconsistent well every Project's different we're going to decide things depending on spefic specific project so I don't have a problem with having a fence one place and one 187 187
D4 um a references the uh agricultural use as as an exemption oh it does yeah okay yeah it's in there okay the question is the wording all right then let's go with that okay what what what what can you
can you read it you wouldn't need a fence if there's an exemption it says here under exemptions and exceptions 1874 work performed for normal maintenance or Improvement of lands in agricultural use um just calls it out so it doesn't
say a lot but it just says it's it's under exemptions and it just says that that's um you know that the uh permit would not be required for work that's being done as normal maintenance um or Improvement of lands and agricultural use so I mean I think it would be
consistent with that to not put any extra restrictions on y I agree Okay Age thanks Chris CHR take a motion I think I have a motion out there right you started a motion but second
did we have second second what's the ultimate motion going to look like negative3 determination to approve with no conditions no I but I think you could you could you could site the exemption you know per the agricultural exemp for the agricultural exemption no no ask one
question before we vote there's there's no fees on this right no correct that's all work okay y yep okay so with that exemption of the uh of the uh D or reference to that to that bylaw okay
second second from Mark so motion from Chris second from Mark all in favor I I okay motion unanimous good luck thank you I really appreciate it and I'll be in touch about like a paper release pretty shortly okay all right thank you
thank you sounds good be nice to see it hay up there yeah yeah yeah okay uh next on our agenda is 10 hildr Street and we do have a request
from the applicant to continue the hearing to March 11th our next meeting do I take a I'll take a motion to continue I move to continue continue motion from Bill Miss second second from
Chris all in favor I okay we will continue that uh to March 11th next one up is the four palot drive this is continued from I think it's from the 28th of January so couple of weeks ago
month ago I think it was continued the last time so um we have Mr Ferrera from Howard Stein Hudson is here good evening good evening to the
commission um apologize for my voice I'm getting over being sick but um Casey Ferrero with Howard Hudson uh back before you again with um some slight revisions to four payot Drive um trying to think overall I think the
biggest change that you'll see in this package from kind of the conceptual package that we showed you before was is the full drainage laid out before you um meeting or exceeding all uh storm water standards um just on that note I did
receive a letter from engineering I had uh two outstanding comments one was regarding a one foot um what do they call it um a one foot differential between the top of the burm and the peak elevation um we do meet that I'm not
sure why that's on the engineering letter um so I'm going to talk to Sheila about that tomorrow I just received the letter this afternoon so I'll talk to engineer about that tomorrow um and then the other comment was regarding the method of the
um analysis for mounding um the type of mounting analysis that she requested is not really consistent with the use here um the method requested requires kind of a decline and infiltration rate over
time we don't really design for a decline in the infiltration rate we design for a constant infiltration rate over the life of the the storm cycle so I'll discuss that with her as well I don't really think it's applicable but um so we'll try and get that cleared up um so but beyond that it's a clean
letter um all all storm water standards uh are met uh it's just really the question of the mounting analysis which we're mouning at I think our mounting analysis showed like .13 ft we have 2T total to the bottom of our system so we
have plenty of room there um so either way I don't think it's going to be a problem it's just a matter of clarifying the request um beyond that we added in some Landscaping to the the plan set um as I told you during the conceptual
presentation last time we were here what what sheet is that on Casey that is on sheet is that me want to say five I don't want to lie to you that looks like it so it is on sheet
five um where we show um the two Maples that I that I discussed the last time and what those are really for is the leaf litter we want to basically provide um a couple trees that are going to replace some of the leaf litter that we're taking down as part of the project
um but we also don't want to overpack kind of the over story of growth we don't want to have plants fighting each other for the sunlight that are going to need it um so we we proposed two Maples and what we're proposing is um kind of more under story stuff that'll provide the habitat erosion control through
their their um root systems um the cinnamon firms that we proposed are also good for water quality um their root systems absorb a lot and uh filter a lot um we're not using that as part of our analysis or anything it's just a kind of a net benefit on the use
of the cinnamon ferns and then we have bear berries as well um the bear berries are mostly being proposed as a kind of restabilization they a ground cover kind of low to the ground and we're using a more of a restabilization of the area that we're disturbing going into that 25
ft just to put in that pipe um so they're not below the pipe where the water is going to be flooding out um they're just around the area of disturbance that where the pipe's going to be installed so so on on this sheet Casey where is the bearberry being proposed
for right in this area here just about elevation 100 okay thank you again I apologize my voice is going in and out on me here um and then as part of a request
from the planning board we also provided as part of the operation of Maintenance um some kind of definition on the snow storage um and we didn't really want to dictate where they're allowed to more so where they're not allowed to um and what
we had decided really was that kind of I guess if you call it plan South the bottom side of this plan where it AB buts against those the hill down to the dunshire properties we don't want any snow storage in there mostly because that goes down to what's the resource area of wetland um so so again casy
sorry to interrupt so which which sheet is that on that is in the supplemental data report it's not in the site plan it's part of the operation and maintenance plan Oh I thought I saw designated snow storage areas on the pl there is there is some in the landscape in the the layout materials um but a
designated snow storage plan itself is part of the operation and maintenance plan okay um and that dictates areas that are not allowed um for snow storage um so again that's that bottom side of the parking lot and then that whole area where the infiltration Basin is we don't want any
snow being pushed into there as well um so those will also be demarcated with no snow storage signs uh two along that bottom side and then three along the infiltration system or the infiltration Basin and then also we're going to put no snow storage signs
along the bottom side of the Castor parking lot where we're removing all that pavement because we don't want them destroying what we're trying to reestablish um pushing salt and um snow down into there um beyond that I believe the plans
are the exact same as what you have seen um but I am available for any questions or comments that you may have I can go through a little bit of the drainage if you want um but again that's been reviewed and everything is um agreed to by the engineer Department
besides those two questions that I have to clarify with them tomorrow David do you have questions comments to start us off sure um so on on this sheet Casey so aren't these Dash lines what are being proposed for the snow storage yeah so those are two areas
that we are allocating for snow storage we have some in the back and some in the front but we also have a note that says there owed to snow store sorry store snow along the curb line of everything for the minor events where the snow is just going to be pushed to the side um
so we have some there with a note that says it can be pushed along the curb lines and then we also have no snow storage signs shown here if you go to the operation of maintenance plan which you don't have to go to right now but we have a full plan in the snow storage section of that operation maintenance
plan that's colorcoded by areas that you're not allowed to store snow so to clarify though because I think that there are neighbors who have questions about this um that this that only pertains to the snow storage by the apartment complex correct does not
pertain to what the town might do I cannot control what the town's going to do with their I think that's something we're going to have to talk about actually that's a good point David um so uh okay um then just the only other question I had was I believe that in an
email I don't know either you or Matt said that you're going to be be providing um an invasive management plan sorry yes that is in the supplemental data report as well oh okay well that's provided for the Asiatic as Asiatic bitter Suite that's um in the back there
okay I'll I I I didn't know that's where it was so I haven't looked at that yet it's the append it's one of the append appendices I cannot talk tonight himself okay but yes um so the the main method that we would like to pursue in that um invasive
species management plan is a mechanical pull it dig it um cut it to the best of your ability anything that is not available or unable to be pulled or unable to be cut for whatever reason um there is a methodology and timeline laid
out for when you can use um an herbicide of some sort um but the main the main method that we want to pursue is the mechanical controls um which again that's going to be hand pulling and hand digging and that and that just for the Bittersweet that's that's the bitters
back there and that's under appendix G appendix G and the supplements of that report thank you that was prepared by Moren Herold of Norse environmental okay that's all I have okay Peter uh no questions who are
you okay Chris I no question mark no I I thank you again I'm I'm happy with the this time okay very we good bill Casey you need one waiver from us
we need a waiver for the 25 foot uh buffer zone and that's just to install the outlet pipe coming out of the infiltration Basin correct U I'm good I'm good and actually now that I think of it we need to remove the pavement of the Castor that's up to the 16t so I guess that 25 foot we need
to be expanded uh the the waiver from the 25t will need to be expanded to be over to that side as well what what are your s you're going to put back in there what's that what are you going to put back in there for soils soils we're going to regrade it with what's there underneath that that pavement um but we're going to then replant it with a a
wild flower seed mix and just we'll let it establish and then just let it grow naturally okay any the area where you where they're going to be able to back a truck up from uh custor that's going to be what rip wrap type stuff yep so
basically what we wanted to allow was the main reason they added this in the first place was so a truck could turn around the the uh the building there so we ran our turning template saw what they actually need for it we're going to remain we're going to leave that kind of turning area as like a stone and that's
going to act in twofold it's going to allow them to turn over it without destroying the soil but also it's going to act as a filter for storm water flying off the castory parking lot um so there'll be a stone buffer right there and and then the remainder of it we're going to regrade it just to a natural kind of grading and then um just plant
it establish it and let it grow I'm good C so what's that going to be like a on the edge do you have like a a large rip wrap I I don't want kind of the larger Stones I'm thinking more not a gravel not something that's going to compact tightly um but also you know not your 8
in rocks I'm thinking something kind of in the middle and I'm going to talk to the contractor about that see what they recommend um but I'm thinking something maybe in the for in minus range my only concern is driving if they drive off the edge they're going to keep on breaking hot top right that I mean that's why we
want it there so they don't just keep we it's kind of an edge protection for that hot top so it doesn't break off chip off and then slowly move down that hill and end up in the Wetland okay so I'm hearing that you're you you're able to work with the Castor owner uh they're
they're working with you this is under land court so they don't really have any rights to it since it's off their property so this this property here is Lan court so we did talk to them they're open to it they don't have any problems with it but even if they did we're On LAN court it's our property we can do it anyway just how how do you get in there
um I guess you're going to be able to get from so so on that front we're we're going to work with our contractor to see if there is an existing path that he can get a machine in to be able to do the work if not we may have to approach them and ask okay um but that's going to be something that we're going to have to deal with once we get there okay so so
that'll probably be a condition in the order of conditions is a you know a work sequence sure for for that that work all right so this is a public hearing we open to comments from the public if anyone would like to come up hey sitha Fernandez 27 dunshire Drive
I don't know if it's possible for you to bring up the sure so sitha has a um a PowerPoint presentation she'd like to do that okay with the commission that's fine yeah that's fine and if that's not clean there is a PDF version so uh sometimes they go a little funky when
you open them I think this will work so just yeah just tried to make it simple just so it could be clear and try to get through quickly with all just a few concerns that I have with it so you can go to the next slide um this next section is in regards to the trash and the recycling one of the things here is
there is an issue with it toppling over on the recycling going into the easement down into the wetlands so one of the asks here is can there be a condition for trash to be kept in the dumpster and the recycling bins and not enter the wetlands like a condition of the project um that was one of the asss and if you
go into the next picture it kind of shows right there where the water is in the top that's the Wetland portion and you can see that there is trash that gets through that area in there it often Falls over so so is that looking down the easement from from the back of my property so that's looking down toward
like 19 yep and if you see that upper picture to the right that's the part of the fence so if you kind of went to the left picture up there that's the fencing that's right next to the dumpster area and that's what it looks like behind as it comes through because it just gets washed through um there's also a Swale
which will'll get to that sends a lot of stuff down there so that's one of the asss here is if it's possible to have a condition for that um the next section in here is there's current conditions which are not currently on the drawing plan that they have there's both sale and curbing that are missing so one of
the asks here is can they update their drawing to include it and if you go into the next slide I can give you just a quick little update here there's a big thing with drainage from pallet Drive um from the mid 90s until 2021 there was none it was removed when they put in the sewer so the town when
they came in in December of 2022 they put in um they put in kind of like some rip WP and stuff a sale up there it's right near where that um you can kind of see it let me show you real quick it's right in here it goes down
into the easement to try to help the water flow from the road in one point down um that's not it's not included in their drawing I think it should be because you can't really tell where it is in regards to the parking that they're doing so that's an Ask there so so if I can just
interrupt so um I I met with sitha um about this issue and she actually has sent me quite a bit of information um there yeah there the DPW apparently in the last few years has done a lot of work uh in that
Swale um without a filing um I did speak with Courtney Thompson of storm water and she said well it's not shown as Wetlands on the the gis so that's that that's a reasonable excuse
for not doing it um but she did I I I did suggest that you know she's actually on vacation this week but I did I did suggest that that I get together with DPW to take a closer look at how that Swale is functioning because Sia you
said that the water puddles in your backyard where it really should not be doing that um and actually this is a question for a couple of questions for Casey so uh Casey off off the top of your head do you are you able to say
anything about like the elevation of that Swale um is it is it is it conducive to you know water flowing better through it rather than than you know ponding um I haven't heard from any other neighbors that that's happening on
their properties but just may not be that I haven't heard from them um another neighbor to my left of me gets water and okay do do you have any sense at all of that Casey based on the grading and again this is off our property but based on the grading that's shown you have
about 101 near the dumpster pad back at the backside near her property you're at about 100.1 so her property is a little bit lower than where our dumpster pad is but from our dumpster pad down to kind of the bend in the property at the End by
the Wetland that's down at 97 so you have four feet from our dumpster pad down to the edge where the Wetland is but again if you go back towards her property it does go down about a foot but again that's off our property right right but that shouldn't that shouldn't
so so doing a little bit of dredging maybe then at the back of Sia's property in in the easement might help that through property would make it worse yeah that would go lower yeah so the problem if you look at the drawing the one that I actually submitted for the
planning board I showed the area that they use for their plot plan that they submitted there is a couple elevations that you can see in there and there's a good portion of it that's semi flat and it actually over 260 ft has about a half% grade from over 260 feet towards that 97 for so so I'm a little bit
confus so so where's the 100 is where you don't have it up to um the so the 100 we have let's just say 100 by her property okay where her property kind of up drive if you move over closer to our
building dumpster pad is the out about 101 so it's going uphill it's going upill so that's why it's ponding so this is well it ponds behind it so this is about 101 what he's saying is down here it's 100 coming back here it goes down to about 99 and if you look at the plot plan that they submitted with the
original package it's F down and planning board stuff there's a couple sections where they have it on the higher side I don't have the elevations of the and like O'Brien I believe did the survey they didn't include the elevation points of the Wetland area that line would actually tell you more about how it's flowing but it's it's
from my property to the 97 foot is I believe like 300 plus feet because each property is about 100 feet wide so it does have a half percent grade that's a pretty small area and a good portion of it's flat so that was something I was going to bring up more tomorrow can I
ask can I ask um are we still on palot here so the Swale I'm asking for the Swale to be put into their existing conditions is what I'm focusing on that's what I'm trying to understand here yes um I I I think this is um a legitimate issue to discuss um um I mean
it won't I don't think it'll take that long discussion ultimately as I say it's a matter of getting together with DPW and them coming up with with with a plan to address the problem yeah I understand that yeah and I I get but my ask for
them is I do not see the SW Edge on their drawing I don't see the current condition because part of this show it to the property line the the sell actually goes through before payad Drive what we have shown is Contours to our property line if you go to the next go
to the next um just just one other quick question Casey so and and also the plan shows I think it's a 24 in pipe down at the other end of the sale Culvert is is that is that functioning or is that clogged as far as you know uh I haven't
approached that c I don't know okay but it's I think it's still within the easement it is within the easement and then it comes closer to the okay so that's another thing to look at yeah yeah and I don't I don't argue that but I my ask for them is and the reason why is their property AB buts up to the
corner mine there's a circular portion of it the Swale goes through it it's not shown on their plot plan I think it should be so the ask is there um just to add to a little bit to the story in 2023 because there was still water that was coming down from pallet causing erosion the town came in and they put small
curbing up on there to help with that water and they added a little bit of loom so that's the back side of the Swale at the corner that's here so it comes down in here that's what it what it leads into so the reason why I'm asking for them to
add that condition is there's a parking space that's going to be going here it's hard to determine if that parking space is adjacent in front of the sale or what I don't know so that was my ask and thank you David for looking at the other stuff I think it's important so that's this is here and if you go to
the next one this is just a picture of kind of like the pooling of the water that's behind my house that happens during this this is after the soil has been put in it continues to come back further so that was I think December that was before they started parking perpendicular um the next one is in
regards to the proposed plantings that they're doing that's the next section um one of one of the things here is I'm a little concerned with their plant choices um so if you go to the area here one of the things in their proposed conditions which is in that
area go to the next slide um in the supplemental data report it mentions the removal of 10 trees from the buffer zone they're planting two trees adding 14 shrubs to replace potential habitat loss mitigate erosion to the buffer zone and they're saying they're native and well suited for the Wetland buffer zone so I
took a look at that and I was curious so go to the next one I started looking at the bar berry bushes those do not are not suggested to be for a wetland buffer so I was curious if maybe those were put in the wrong location um one of the reasons why I'm asking I'll just show you
again the water out of the Retention Ponds coming down here towards these so I don't know how they're planning on keeping them dry they like dry soil so that's why I'm curious why they picked those for there so that's my question back kind of
to them um because if you put something there that's not going to thrive it's going to die and not do what you want to do so a little bit concerning um if you go to the next slide um they mentioned in their conditions that they were going to put in eight shrubs um it looked like they picked
eight cinnamon ferns there which are kind of I think they're a great option for the Wetland buffer but is there actually any more Shrubbery that they're going to add there because I didn't see that and the next one red maple is another fantastic choice um those are
really good and and I did ask if there's any chance to possibly add another one or a couple more um there is that section up near the dumpster where it could be a good shade tree there um the people right now the residents of pallet they like to stand along the edge of my property where there's a lot of shade but they could they could do something
like that there that would help um the next thing is the invasive management I started looking pretty heavily into that and so if you go to the next slide on there just this is more just a clarification of the requirements um
if you can see the picture this came from their supplemental plan this part in yellow is the part that they're saying they're doing their invasive management and the thing here though that I'm wondering about the Project's going to have more green space than that like shouldn't the
invasive management run the entirety of their property as long as they're not impacting something like I'm also not sure if they remove the fence in here we'll get to the next slide but should it Encompass more space to be invasive management to check that's the first part of
it um the second part of it is the chemical controls I get that you have to do chemical controls you just it's the same page it's just the center section um I really wanted to ask if they go to use chemicals can they ask first from David you know to come out and look at
it and verify that that's the only option that we have just to make sure that we're ensuring to protect the wetlands that and the surrounding areas right and lastly the third one here at least on this slide um they're they're giving it as a three-year maintenance plan I've been fighting Bittersweet in
my backyard for going on 10 if you lag at any time it comes back hard and fierce so I don't know if there's any possibility with that for a condition to ask for that longer because it also mentioned in there that um I believe it said or whatever the length of the order
of condition was so that's another ask I think um oops sorry I lost track you go to the next slide um this is in regards to the parking and this is part of my question in regards to the swell if you can go to
the picture so the reason why I kind of asked the question about the swell is there's going to be a parking space that's going to be right in that location I don't know if it's going to be on top of the sale next to the sale not near the sale at all um but as you
can see it's really close to the Wetland right there that s is going directly into the wetlands and are we okay with allowing a car to park directly there and having all the water of the parking lot of pallet the stuff coming off of 3A
all it's coming down and it's going to be going through that point we know it's unfiltered we get it but you want to add to that by putting a car sitting there that could put oil on the ground and some other stuff that just adds more to it so that's my question to you but it's also hard not knowing exactly where the soil is but and
again this is kind of like this curbing goes like this which is kind of like over here that's why I think that the sale is more like here but again if they could Define that that would be helpful you go to the next slide um and then no snow removal plans
we were talking about that today so if you can go to the next picture so a couple things here the red as you mentioned is the area of no snow storage which is really good they're putting it around here they have it up here one of the areas that they're not
mentioning is this yellow section right here now I did talk to the town this week about plowing because somebody this week and I don't know if it was an independent contractor plower of the road or whatever but when they were plowing they plowed there Rec cycling bins by the way if you're looking for them they've been in my yard for two
weeks um they're they've been just plowed in they haven't been able to use them so we talked about it with the town um they said they're going to look go out there and actually look at where where the location is and try not to do any damage um we're also in the spring going to put up a fence there a hard fence so
it'll be a lot easier for them to see where the line is but my ask is I think that this area should be a no snow storage and tomorrow at the planning board meet I'm also going to be asking because they're planning on putting the recycling bins here so should be no
storage there either so that's kind of like a question it's also directly access to again the swell here my other ask is with the S right now there's nothing delimitating it on the road there's no ballards or anything
when they come in and do plowing they're plowing directly into it they're doing damage to the top of it and I wanted to know if possibly some ballards or something could be put on it so that it's visible and they can stop plowing directly into it because when you plow over it and create mountains of snow and ice you can't even get the water through
it to be able to melt down when that will cause other issues up on the road and I don't know if that was the end of it next one we're close uh okay the fencing so this one is really I'm a little bit confused so a couple things on here if you go to the
next slide um so there is some new fencing that's being added unfortunately didn't put it all in color but I do see this section here looks like they're adding new fence here and around here so one of the questions I have for the conservation board is it's all this
portion downwards is all within the 100ft buffer zone I've heard conversations about 6 Ines of clearance underneath the fence to allow Wildlife to pass for back and forth I don't see that in either one of these fences so my question to you is should it have the 6
inch clearance under it so that's my first question yes it should it should which is so and then if you go to the next one I have one more question believe so this is the second issue I was looking at revision five versus revision six cuz they've handed us a couple different ones in revision five
they say that they're going to keep the existing fence here on this one there's no mention of what they're doing to the fence so my asked to Casey is are you removing it you keeping it because if you're removing it I have big issues with that um if you're keeping it there's still discussion which we'll talk about at the planning board
tomorrow but for you in regards to removing it that is the buffer that I kind of highlighted in red this is the 25t buffer zone that fences down in the area just beyond the 25t if you remove that it' be very easy for people to walk into it start disturbing it kids are
kids right they're going to go explore it starts becoming a safety hazard so I really want to ensure that we do have fencing along this Edge to help protect same it didn't but you had a note on the top and that said you're keeping it this
one doesn't say keeping it okay so it's good I like that so so the existing fence is staying okay we're have more discussions on the plane board tomorrow but that's good it will be a okay because yeah like I said when I looked at it it didn't show that so thank you
I'll update my notes for tomorrow I have a different presentation for tomorrow night I think is this the last slide yeah I think so thank you so that's all I have thank you SAR um Casey do you want to I can address some of those I can point out where the curbing is at um if you go back to my
site plan go to sheet four please and go over to the front there so just by the grading of the way payot comes down the low point of payot is going to be right here where this no
parking striping um kind of comes along and in contact with the parking spot so this is the low point of payot so that's presumably where the curb cut is um again it's not on my survey I I would just assume based on the low point of
that road that that's where they would have put the curve cut um that's Town property that's Town property that's not Town property this area right here is indeed Town property but the area below that's not Town prop the area below it is grass
correct with the S right with the stone sell that the town put in but we're not intending on changing that and anyway shape form so again I think that that's a discussion we should have with the and and they're willing to do it
um as far as the invasive species management plan um I am in no professional capability to change it um it is not my expertise and how we can change it or how we can maintain it um just I will just say that we are going to propose it as recommended by the
environmental scientist that we used um and if she recommends three years then I'll say we're going to continue with our three years if the commission feels in any different way I'm I'm willing to take the feedback back but I am in no position to say whether or not that is sufficient or not I'm not an environmental scientists I mean the Comm
Commission in the past has put in a Perpetual condition about um in uh invasive should be managed in perpetuity now um you know need to think a little bit maybe maybe yeah maybe it's just a bitter Suite should be managed in
perpetuity you think about that whether you know whether it's appropriate to do the right I mean that can be put in as that can be put in as a condition of your approval um or as an as yes a condition of the order of conditions right has a Perpetual condition if
that's the way the commission wants to vote that's you know we'd rather take the approval than fight on that that matter point of clarification we talk about invasives and we're talking about Bittersweet are we simply talking about
Bittersweet or are we talking about invasives wellan because there's a big difference well the invasive management plan has been submitted only deals with Bittersweet bit correct so so the question is does a commission want to expand that to include other species so
give a topic of discussion that's been that's the main thing that we've seen there from from what I understood environmental scientists drove out there I asked her to to take a review and see what was impacting the area and this is what she came back with I didn't request that she specifically do Bittersweet um I request that she review the area and
let me know what she thinks needs to be dealt with and this is what she came back with we could be here all night yeah and I I just wanted to make that point if you use invasives you're it's too big a scope there's too many broad okay I I see your point yeah that's a good point
we wish I that wouldn't be fair to the applicant yeah we bound it to Bittersweet for the yeah you don't want because that is yeah and to the to the resident comment it does it it bounces back with a with a Vengeance right well I think in most in most scenarios anyway the the order of conditions is going to
refer directly to the invasive speace shoes management plan that we've submitted right so it'll it'll directly be in tune with with our plans I mean it certainly would be nice to cover more than that I mean especially with the Wetland seed mix is being proposed that almost certainly is going to grow up in
new invas us very quickly a wetland seed mix well yeah I I I think you know they're they're natives the SE mix itself SE mix itself is a native but I think that kind of an environment is
very conducive to invasives moving in but you just have to live with that I'm all against invasiv but we we can't right we can't uh it's a losing battle Yeah it's just a battle that you just have to keep fighting the good
battle and um yeah and we also ought to think we we we could you know we could be trying to scope this so big never get there agree yeah and and we might also want to think about what our RS actually say yeah cuz our RS don't really give us
address it much so there's not really a precedent yeah up up till now we've mostly we have put things in conditions but for the most part we're strongly encouraging strong invasive management that's yes yeah that's that's our I I think this is a unique situation too
right right can't lose eye that this is putting High chip on the applicant okay uh with other points that you wanted to address Casey um I do think that Sia makes a good point with the bearberry um while it's still 3et
above the seasonal High groundwater I think that gives it plenty of of um separation from the actual hydric soils that is that make up the Wetland um it is within kind of where the infiltration Basin is intended to
outflow um but I don't think that's going to put an overbearing burden of of uh being too wet on the bear berries because it's not going to be overflowing on a daily basis it's going to overflow for that storm event the pipe goes under the barar berries so the whatever comes
out of the pipe isn't going to be affecting the barar berries it's mostly going to be whatever is actually over topping that burm so not the entirety of the storm events not every day um we can we can look at whether or not we can change them out but I think and you know I think I think as part of a condition
anyway we have to guarantee the survival of the plants through a through a a growing season anyway did um did Meen propose the bearberry no could could run it by her so yeah and we can do that as well but um you know I think as as part of the conditions go we
have to guarantee the survival of the plants anyway so if it turns out that they're dying and we need to use something else we can come back and say how do you feel about this instead right but but it it if that's the approach which I'm fine with the conditions have
to say in perpetu I can't say that word forever perpetuity I can't say that word peret which part in perpetuity in other words if this is part of the storm water design essentially I'm not saying that part of
the stormw design it's just in the area of where the St fair but my point is rather than us trying to tell the applicant what's going to grow there seems like we simply ought to require the stuff be growing not just one season well and that's a standard condition
that Casey was refer right I was just referring to the the typical conditions that we see in the order conditions that come out is that we have to when I go back and I as built this or when I go back and I come back to you for a um to close it out I have to say whether or not these plants are in good health or not and if they're not we'll have to
come back to you and say you know what how about we trade this out for whatever other species may be recommended yeah it typically says something like uh you know within two years or 3 years you know 75% of all the planting shall be fully established and growing if that's
not the case then a plan for corrective action shall be submitted something like that so if it's going to be part of the conditions anyway we'd like to just move forward with the plan as presented and then come back to you if we have an issue with it that sound good to you yes okay
anything else uh I I don't know if you heard me but we are still proposing the fence um I know that was one of freest concerns um as far as plowing um you know we're showing the snow storage area at the front which is you know where we want them to put the kind
of paved area towards uh the dump the dumpster um but as far as what's actually going to be pushed towards that Wetland and the Swale that's all going to be whatever the town's doing with payad drive and I have zero control over that I certainly can add that to the no
snow storage areas but I don't think it's going to affect anything in the way the town's going to do anything um yeah my my my suggestion is that we talk with the town first because it it it may make sense for this project
to be completed first before the town does anything because um you know we we need to see then what what the conditions are at that point could be if if if the town goes in there right away and starts sming around with it once
once this project is done might change things so that's that's my initial that's for the Swale specifically right you're talking about the I was just talking about how the snow is going to be plot off payid but correct for the Swale that's I mean that's that's
related I mean it's really it's really all related to the runoff from payot Drive Right which which you're being forced to deal with by the town I totally agree um with that approach in that let's have this get built and then have the town review that Swale and its
performance within that easement that it has for the Swale um again you know Sera is not incorrect the way that the town graded it the first time I think sends it towards her property first but again that's just what's coming off payot and then into that easement and I can't
control that in any way shape or form right um so let the town deal with that however you guys want to handle that that's you know and maybe there is some way of dealing with with the the concern about um you know uh Vehicles parking
right next to that Wetland of course that's happening for a long time right so the only thing I can say with that is it's the existing condition we're not expanding the pavement any closer to it yeah if you guys do have an issue I mean I know Conservation Commission has a
regulation where no parking of greater than 10 spaces can be within 50 ft um so if you want to kind of impose that and that's what's going to be considered a parking area but you know this is an existing condition we're just trying to maintain it yeah however the commission
feels about that yeah you know I'm open to discussion on that it it it probably would be a challenge but you don't have to talk about it with DBW yeah I'm not of a mind to be pushing something here that right if it was new construction or something new totally
there but that's not what we're talking about here so do I here see nodding on that yeah is this considered Redevelopment is this overall the product is considered a Redevelopment and that's just due to the nature of the removal of the pavement by the custor parking
lot oh wow okay okay so David are we at a point where you've got conditions drafted or no I don't have them drafted but don't AR don't you want to hear back from Sheila about a couple issues yeah so I mean I'll talk to Sheila tomorrow about the
engineering um so so I think I think hearing should be continued pending that isn't that you know what I'm tired of this thing going on forever you could put in the order of conditions that the engineering must be satisfied I mean it's however you guys want to deal with it how about
one how about a question before we move on what's well I I I thought we were done with uh speakers but I think we have another speaker I'm sorry sorry yeah okay can I can I just point a clarification yeah because we skipped over this um are there two
Maples and eight shrubs or two Maples and eight ferns sorry I I put in the ferns as they were shrubs but I chose the ferns as they were good for the area and then listed them under
the shrubs that's my bad terminology on them but yes so there'll be I guess six shrubs with eight Ferns and then two Maples oh six shrubs so six shrubs that are technical I think the the definition of the shrub is determined by the Woody
structure of it yeah and ferns themselves are just ferns ferns right I I thought they would go under the shrubs but that they do not um so but they do grow and I I'd like to keep the ferns as I think they're really good for the area and they they're going to do good for the Wetland buffer zone yeah um they're
they're all over town but so I'm still confused Casey M two trees six six shrubs and eight ferns ferns correct okay that's all so what are the shrubs sorry what are the shrubs the shrubs of the barberries the technical shrubs of the barberries cuz I think of that as ground cover right so I looked I looked
them up they are a technical shrub by nature but the ferns are not a shrub by Nature they are okay I got it thank you okay yes ma'am M sorry excuse me Michelle Caputo strike weather 19 dunshire drive so I just had a couple of comments um the
first is that generally speaking having walked in the area where you know where the mitigation Pond thing is and all of that even during the drought that ground was still spongy it's always wet there it does not dry out so I just needed to
mention that because there was seems to be a dissension of opinion of whether or not that dries out enough for some of those shrubs um and there was a question about the Culvert and I'm not sure if you're talking about the little the little pipe that
goes literally just between between 21 and my yard 19 dunshire um and I know that John Kelly has been working with mass mosquito to get that mitigation ditch DP cleaned out and that
that little pipe that goes literally that's the only part of that that goes through my yard is right underneath my fence so I will I do have a picture of it I'm sorry I didn't know this was going to be a question so I I didn't bring it but I have a picture of it this is my husband standing
with there's 15 in of pipe that's available and the rest is filled it's going to decide it's not going to show any pictures soon so okay thank you it would help if you could email me that oh okay so that's
that little pipe mess mosquito allegedly is going to come in the springtime um and is that sale paved on the bottom no I do not know but I have been told no no I I just don't know um and on
the other side this is actually on 21 um that side on 21 it's very very full on the other side I couldn't get a good picture because it's a lot easier to get to the thing from Patty's driveway than from the back behind my fences um but on
my side it's actually quite a bit deeper so like the water is getting stuck at Patty's um yard going through that tube I have no idea why there's a tube there and like they didn't just cut out the fence at the very edge I wasn't there
for that so I don't know but there seems to be something over in my backyard a filled in septic system or well or I don't know there's like a big cement thing cover um and I didn't know if maybe that was related to the wetlands
and the whatever and that's why they did that or if you were like yeah if we took out that little fence we'd be happier and then it would be less I personally don't care so whatever if you guys said oh we could do that then we would do that um and that's just a general
statement of like there's a little pipe there but I don't know why they have a pipe there instead of just a continuing water mitigation ditch and could could you elaborate on who's planning on doing what I'm not planning on doing anything I know that but you
said oh mass mass mosquito the county people uh the County Central mosquito yeah they come and clean that stuff out so we don't end up with standing water I guess they've done it in the past and I know John Kelly brought in her name was
Katrina she was very lovely and she looked at everything and she said yep that definitely looks like that's causing a mosquito issue in the springtime we can schedule that everybody signed the form that says yes you can walk on my property you have my permission to clean it out so hopefully
my neighbors filled out that form and said yes you can walk on my property um but they're supposed to be scheduling at some point I don't know what the timing is but sometime in the spring to come and clean that all out again right but is it cleaning the Culvert of the sediment or digging up the drainage soil
uh there's there're they're supposed to just clean the like like get all the sediment that's in that pipe and clean out that area do whatever they have to do to get that water flowing right um and and and certainly they're legally authorized to do that but they really should they could let me know because I
mean the town does hold an easement a drain e easement there and if any any if by chance anything is done that then conflicts with what the town wants to do you know that and except for having seen Katrina walk like I walked out and said
I'll walk with you if you don't mind um I know that John Kelly has been working directly with Katrina I didn't i' Beyond just seeing it and I know her so I can so if you wanted to give her a call or something but yeah it's my understanding they're supposed to come in the spring
and clean out that all of that area just so that it flows more freely in which case hopefully this would also clean out you know like the water that's getting trapped at at Patty's corner of the the
yard I mean it still comes up into my yard it comes up into everybody's yards but if it was moving freely I think it would probably be a lot okay more effective thank you promise it'll be the last time so through the Fernandez 27 dunshire Drive I just want to give a little bit of
clarification because I heard a couple comments and I want to come to show um the parking within pallet drive up until they were told by the town to park perpendicular was up in this area here they were never really parking along this edge here so that is a newer
parking area that they're using I mean now they're parking all perpendicular here sale that was put in was in put in in 20122 so that's also new there was no drainage on that road from 1994 all the way till when they dug a ditch in 2021 so I I'm really concerned with something
parking here I just want you to understand that's newer it's not like it's been there for 60 years people parking here is really new and that has direct impact to that Wetland it's all and and if I could just make a comment the whole point of the town's storm water management plan is to eliminate
this kind of direct runoff into Wetlands so obviously it's something to be looked at but the legality of par parking parallel along that culdesac it dates back to when the culdesac was constructed so even though people haven't been actively parking there
you've been allowed to they didn't park in that manner because they had parking spaces that they've been using um but the legality of using the culdesac in that manner has always been there okay David we have um you you still have to do order of conditions uh
and get a a draft out um um yes but you know honestly I think this is a pretty standard order um I don't I you know nothing is jumping out at me as being really you know out of the ordinary or
or special conditions um you know G given the discussion about um you know the concern with with parking there right next to the sell I mean you know the commission could put a Prohibition against that David is that the town's land though
yes so why are we putting it on this applicant well I mean is is that a hardship for the applicant yeah we have to find another parking space and kind of reinvent the wheel again okay sorry can we take the vote and see how the board I I was just about getting there I
think so so I I can I can certainly have a draft ready for the next meeting if the commission wants to do that you know well it doesn't sound like there's a whole lot that's that's all that special right I think this is basically a standard order of is there any special
conditions you see um no and I I've been I've been thinking about it um I I don't see any really special here I mean this is I mean so so the one thing that we you you were going to still be talking to the
engineer but I think we can trust that that's going to yeah I mean if that if that requires a minor revision to the plan you know you just go ahead and submit that and I still have to get a minor land disturbance permit through them anyway so they wouldn't sign off on that unless they were satisfied with how
it goes so I'm okay with that yeah so I know everybody's chopping at the bit here yeah so um I'll move then to close the hearing okay motion motion from Chris second from Mark uh all in favor I I I okay
so H 10 hildor hearing is closed okay it it you don't want to come to more of these on correct don't put that in there for pay so it'd be a standard out of conditions no special conditions that's that's my
opinion unless unless you you know members or no someone else wants to think of I'll move I'll move then that we issue a standard order of conditions with our standard conditions second motion from Chris second from Bill any further
discussion all in favor I okay thank you very much have a great night AC get better get well and uh thank you to the members of the public a lot of lot of really good comments a lot of good uh input and um a
lot of the questions are with the DPW yeah that's so you have to address the well that's high on my list to sit down and the whole Watershed the whole Watershed is the big Y and that's coming up in a March meeting yeah
hope okay I got a question another question the the it came up during this hearing that there was hot top on castor's land not the hot top they're ripping up but additional hot top to the left on the left side towards
vyl Square that's Town proper I think so but didn't that came up during the meeting is that something we're looking at to find out where our property is and it's commission land not to my knowledge no but we should I want to like to have a survey done and find out if it's on land we know a surveyor right yes do you
know a quick one yeah well we don't know a quick one well I I wandered through the historical area of photos and and I don't know where the property line is actually on the ground but that area has been shifting shifting drifting yeah is that the way explain shifting I I think
we should look at it because if they're pulling their hard top out part of their project we should look at ours and if it needs to L of ours absolutely but but it it does require a survey right right but it it brought it to our attention right
right but but when you say ours I don't know that the hot top is ours the land but that's the question yeah the hot top is is somebody put it on our land right yeah we own it then knew about that 15 years ago 10 years agoo yeah Dave mlon
brought it up oh okay he did yeah he would have yeah yeah well okay should be looked at next one is the 61 Smith Street and the applicant has requested that the hearing be continued to March 11th I'll take a
motion to continue 61 Smith Street to March 11th so moov so move from Chris second second from Bill all in favor I I I Peter you yes sorry thank you still thinking about the hot Tu
so passes to continue until March 7 March 11th for 61 Smith Street uh update on continual business so David you have an update on the Freeman Lake parcel boundary surveys um yes so I I am working on marking up the
plans with um my my proposed um locations for you know permanent monu monumentation um um I I did get an estimate from the surveyor who's working on this project that that the to the total cost for installation of granite
bounds is $275 so let's just say for the sake of disc per bound per per per bound yes so just say sake of discussion 10 would be $2,750 which you know may maybe that's reasonable not sure that's what the number will be well you spent the money
for the survey survey yes so you need to put them some markings out there You' be doing again yeah I completely agree completely agree I you don't need every con or be thoughtful about where we right yes yes and that's and that's what I'm trying to be right so um so I you know I
will plan to have have that proposal for the next uh meeting um okay so that's where that stands okay and then additionally while we're on Freeman Lake that there was a discussion about the report on the diagnostic management assessment um it
was a meeting I think it was last week uh but they are still looking for comments so we don't want to go into the details on that right now but there it is still open for comments so if you have comments you want to make on that you can find the the report on the town website and you can send comments to the
stormwater engineer Courtney Thompson uh by this Friday um February 28th um so that's also in the Freeman Lake area um I didn't have anything on coolest do you have anything on coess
David uh no okay um I I I did I did um approve an event there on May 16th oh okay for scout or scouting event scout scout scout meeting I happen to see that they had something on Facebook about putting uh remarking the trails
again up there with ribbons and they were going to put little tags on the trees okay because some people got lost not lost but they get lost at night they weren't sure where the trail was did they get lost at night no no was so so I mean I am I am ordering those Trail
markers I guess they're not Trail markers those are not Trail markers that's that's actually more for like places like like the lake you know when we have with those little round ones with those conservation that'll just say conservation property what is the event that you approved just curious just uh
guess their annual meeting for this one particular pack and and to do no no no it's uh it's it's I think it's going to be Before Sunset 6:00 to 8 you know May 16th okay so cool good good for them um
the open space and wck plan has been submitted to the state um yes so yeah awesome that's great and we have a MAC Conference this Saturday a couple of us are going to be there you're going to go may we can meet right there for breakfast sure y okay for the donuts all
right um and the other thing I know Peter you were looking for an update on the 270 Bill rer Road um status and maybe David you have some comments on that yes so um that the demo has started uh on that uh they they due to weather
conditions they haven't gone uh below ground level uh in in fact um I just learned today that the contractor doing the demo has demobilized for a month um and uh so once once they come back to work on the site they'll they'll
the next step is to um demolish the um the foundation the existing foundation and our our compliance a site compliance monitor uh from beta will be there um anytime they're they're they're working
in in soil um we you know all all the contaminated soil has been mapped and put on the plans um and then and then so once once the demo has been completed that um you know then there construction will
start so be the be the the same thing that the compliance Town's compliance monitor will be on site you know for specified time question um did we have or did you have the preconstruction
meeting that was in the permit or is that when they start digging below grade um well it's I mean that's that's basically um the uh beta's involvement for beta to submit a scope
of services which they have done and that's that's been that's been agreed to by the applicant for the demo and just got a proposal today for um the same thing for construction so I think that's and and just a final footnote is your
understanding with beta that you know they write they're writing little trip reports you shared one with me I thought it was pretty good every day they're on site but the understanding that if they see something that is not following the ram plan they'll give a quick call to you right we're not going to wait for
email and reports well I think they're authorized well well they're supposed to be authorized to stop work but yeah I mean if you mean like like if there's an argument you know they want well if there's an issue um will they let you know um well yeah they will I I think they'll let me know immediately but but
I think maybe your question is how is that resolved and I I think if if there's a disagreement you know I think I think we need to tell beta that they're authorized to you know require right what they see is correct yeah I
thought that was in the in the work scope but or somewhere but but that's the question but at a minimum I'll let you know immediately or yeah I will I I will certainly verify that that's all okay okay thanks anything else David anything else to add we have meeting
minutes that we just got are you guys okay can I can I can I make two super tiny announcements sure um our our our um friend Jane new house has a a rodenticide I call it uh session
at the chelsford library on March 3rd rat poison you may have noticed she got LOL to adopt what some other communities have done which is to ban it I don't know exactly what that means I think City owned land on City owned
land yeah that's okay um and she's uh I only I don't know anything about it except I saw it online she's uh uh promoting a public media on this topic chord library May uh March 3rd 6:30 I mention that because one of the
interests we're we're here to protect is habitat and this sounds to me like a in my opinion something good for the commission to to be behind and then the other thing I just want to mention David is uh I have finally on the telephone
chatted with the uh Scout Troop leader that you sent my way so apparently I will somehow figure out what to say to a bunch of 10-year-old girls about not even sure what the topic is but thank thank you pet care if anyone
has any suggestions something in conservation all right on how to how to not bore them your assistance is greatly appreciated yeah well no I have to come up with a game or something so any ideas are welcome thank you good for you all right are we okay okay with uh I know um
we got paper copies here let's go through these both of these January 14th and the 28 [Applause] [Applause] you all caught up now Vivian hell
no this will be an easy one tonight be perfectly blond easier you only have one open that's that's right this you're we still had a lot to say I'm still on what page six take a motion on January 14th meeting
minutes when someone's ready so move to approve second motion from Chris second from Bill all in favor I I all right January 28th
[Music] was was uh John Ebert's concerns addressed about Swain pwn David's been chasing it yes yes and there will be more to report on that um not coming upcoming meeting in March okay so um
definitely going to Des deserve some discussion you know for the long term SW Pond or Swanson Pond Swain SW swains I think it's SW SW yes no whatever Swain Rog no that says Swanson
yeah but I think I look on the map it says swings I've never heard of it and that's the only reason it stuck out to me I'm like where is this one but I not allowed it that way okay I'll I'll make that change it's next to the Swain landfill that'll help
you take a motion on January 28th we move to approve second all motion from Chris second from Bill all in favor meeting minutes passed I take a motion to adjourn the
meeting do we Jour roll call by only when it's a zoom if if one of us is on the zoom meeting is adjourned