Tuesday, July 8th, 2025. Calling this meeting of the Chelse Conservation Commission to order. My name is Carl Bishoff. I'm the chair of the commission. We will be following the published and posted agenda. The meeting is both in person and through Zoom. In
the case of the Zoom not working properly, we will continue the meeting in person only. This meeting is being broadcast and recorded by Chumps for Teledia and will be available on their website and on YouTube. We have a quorum. Um, I will note that I need to
step out at 7:30 for a recess for about I'm hoping about five or 10 minutes. I have some business across the hall, con conservation business. Um, so um we're going to take a break for about hopefully five or 10 minutes. Um, and uh
let's see what else. Do we have any public uh concerns? Any concerns from anyone in the public that is not on our agenda? Okay, seeing nothing. Um, nobody coming up. Um, first thing on our list, so we have um storage of a camper at zero
Littleton Road. This is map 92, block 337, lot three. Mr. St. John uh is here. Hi. How you doing? Say hi to the board. Good evening. Happy summer. Happy summer. Yep. Thank you for coming in.
Sure. Um, so let me just set up a little bit. Um, what you know, we we noticed that actually I've had a number of calls from people saying there's a camper on that site. How come there's a camper on that site? So, we had an RDA here um back in the end of November 2023 that was filed. We
approved it in January of 2024 and this was to allow some work being done on that site and that work was done. Um, and in the meantime, uh, and it's and it's a parcel that is just for the public. This is a parcel right on Littleton Road. Right on Beaverbrook. Um
between Littleton Road and Beaverbrook. It's I don't know is it like an acre or so? Acre, couple four plus acres. Okay. And um so you've had a camper there, a trailer for a little while. So can you talk to us about what the trailer what's the story with the trailer? Well, it's a camper so that I have
something there. I I go there frequently. Uh probably three times a week to uh uh the last time I was in, I planted some blueberry bushes and stuff like that. Blackberry bushes and uh so I go there to water those and to kind of
just hang out. I walk the trails there on the property and uh just kind of relax and uh take care of the property, water the plants and so forth. And uh that's basically it. It's a camper. It's a fifth wheel. And uh have you seen it?
Can't see it from the street, but Oh, do you want to see? I have some pictures. You like to see the board? Sure. Thank you. There's a couple pictures here. Here you go. Yeah. It's just basically a fifth wheel
and uh it's all self-contained. It's a 30 foot fifth wheel. And uh like I said, there's a lot of mosquitoes down there and I go there uh three or four days a week to check on the property and also uh to keep hunters out. Uh there
were some a couple of hunters that were planting uh uh cameras on the property and uh looking to shoot the deer on the property. So uh I uh keep them out. Uh
they I found a couple of cameras there, deer cameras. Mhm. So, uh to keep them at bay as well. So, yeah, I go there a few days a week and that's what the camper is there for. Okay. Yeah. So, Dave, do you have any comments you want to
um just a couple of things? So, so I think um the sort of the context the commission the commission should look at this uh in is that um the the approval you just referred to Carl um believe uh
allow the creation of two uh parking spaces on the property although I don't think the camper is in those parking spaces. Uh it's on the gravel. Yeah. Camper is on the gravel. Okay. Okay, because my my recollection is um well I why don't I go back and
look at the plan? Why don't we bring up the plan? And also the camper is basically it's not there permanent. It's uh it's there mostly for the summer months while I'm there uh taking care of the property and so forth. Uh
so yeah, so the whole virtually the whole property is within the 100 foot buffer zone uh of the wetland. much of its much of the parking area is within the 50- foot buffer zone and uh also within the certified vernal
pool 100 foot. So, so Mr. St. John is correct uh at least based based on um the plan and the photo I'm seeing. So, so um the campers in the gravel area,
correct? You see them circling? Correct. Now, you were there last year and I had a a I had a storage container, right, that I put my shovels and rakes in and you wanted me to move that forward. Yes. So that it was on the gravel and I did that and then you wanted that removed.
So, I removed that for you. And I also sent you an email uh with about a half a dozen addresses with other uh town residents that have containers in their pro on their property as well. and I
wanted you to follow up on that and I never you never I never heard back from you. So So I can tell you that we did look at all of those addresses. Uh I think five out of the six did not even really uh have any anything to do with wetland area and that's our that's our area.
Okay. Well, if you want I can send you another half a dozen that are in the wetlands in we're not looking to go we're not trying to go after anyone. I know, but I know, but this is Yeah, and I understand you're trying to make sure it but I I will say your spot is very visible. I I've had people call
me or email me and say, "Hey, have you seen this?" Because it's right It's right there. Whereas other people and and you haven't been there that long. I mean, it's it's Well, I've owned it for 20 years. Uh yeah, but but I'm saying in terms of having a presence there, right? Um you know, people
Well, I didn't have access to it before because there was a big bomb going over it. I couldn't really get into it. That's why I just I'm just saying from our point of view, we we are hearing from people saying, "Hey, what's going on over there? What's going on over there?" Yeah. And it's not just one. I've had a couple
people not contact me. So, that's kind of where we're at is we're trying to, you know, we don't want to go after everybody. We We're not trying to, you know, not trying to harass everybody or anything like that, but we're trying to, you know, protect protect the resource. That's what we're looking to do is protect the the natural
resource. David, was there something else you wanted to Well, I I was I was I was just going to say yes, the the camper does appear to be in the the gravel driveway, which I think, you know, again, the the purpose was to be able to to park vehicles
there. Um so then the question is, is is that a violation of anything? Is that it's not a you know, it's not a disturbance in terms of um you know, he's not building anything. He's not um I'm I'm a little I'm not quite sure if
we have a real jurisdiction here or if it's it's you know the fact that it's self-contained. I assume you're you're not you're not dumping your waste out into the No, you know there I don't I really use it. I'm trying to understand kind of what what are you know what what can we do? I
don't know Peter or Chris or does the building inspect have an issue with it? This is to you. Uh, oh, sorry. Does the building inspector have an issue with it? No, I don't. No, no,
I mean, personally, I'm okay. I mean, it's it's in the gravel. It's temporary. The vehicle, mostly every house uh property in in Chsford has a camper on their property, whether I mean temporary. It's in the gravel parking space and it's and honestly, I
don't see like any like adverse impact on the wildlife habitat there. personally. Okay. Thank you. If if I could if I could add, I think this is the this is the property where we had a chat with you or indirectly
um because there was some wetland tree cutting and whatnot. I think you did some restoration or something, but that's not what I want to bring up. Um I love the comment about the bushes, the blueberry bushes and raspberries. I don't know how many you got, but that's the kind of thing, right, that we favor
when somebody is, you know, along the edge of these wetlands because it's a a habitat thing. Well, that's I I mean, I came up with that with David last year. Yep. So, I mean, there's a plus is what I'm saying. Ally, do you have any questions or anything? Anything you want to ask? Chris, do you have anything else you want to say?
No. Mark, you you have any questions or thoughts? I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. It's kind of where I'm at. I'm like, Bill, I don't think as far as conservation we have an issue. If there was ever an
issue with it, it'd be something the building department would have or the board of health. Yeah. Yeah. That would be it. But as far as we go, we're concerned. I don't think we have a and and that's an important point. Whatever action this board takes is strictly related to wetlands, not
right whether it's right another department cares. But but I do suggest you contact the health department and let them know that you're storing it temporarily there. Don't think it'll be an issue, but I think you know because they may be getting calls
as well. Okay. Well, John, do you have No, I agree with Dave that it's as long as nothing's hooked up, it's in the gravel area and it's temporary. Yeah. Right. Yeah. It's summertime. Yeah. Summertime.
Yeah. So, I looked at it as we permitted we permitted the gravel driveway for vehicles. You know, this is not a motorized vehicle, but it's a vehicle. It's got wheels on it, so it's not going to be there forever. It's temporary. Um it's not uh it is in the buffer zone.
Um but it's not a permanent structure or even a not even really. I mean, it's as temporary as you can get because it's on wheels. Yeah. Um so, I guess I'm I think we're we're okay. We appreciate really appreciate that you came in and talked to us.
Can I Can I ask one question? Yeah. Yeah. We made them pull out a storage container. Yeah. But we're telling them okay to have a trailer there. What's the difference? We didn't know what was in the storage container.
Not the point. Yeah. Um, good question. Uh, I mean there's wheels on this so it's easier to move. It's more temp it's more temporary. A storage container. I just don't see could be there for a while. Yeah. Yeah. I Yeah.
Well Well, two concerns and Mark, I haven't given this a lot of thought, but right off the bat, one is the storage container blocks passage of critters and you are next to a vernal pool. The trailer on wheels isn't blocking. And then the second thing, I know we talked about this a year or two
ago. Um, I think one reason we don't allow storage containers is we don't know what's inside of them and it could be stuff that might leak out. I guess you could argue the same with a camper, but it's less likely, right, to have, you know, if he's five gallon cans of
gas that might leak into the wetlands or whatever in in a trailer like this. There's probably more I haven't thought about. I I guess my point being is did we overreact by telling him to take his his Durich trailer out of there the uh Well, I can I I can offer a couple of com comments. First of all, a storage
container does require a permit from the the building department as I understand it and you know as a shed or just are you talking about a storage container like the steel container or because everybody has wooden sheds in their yards. I I I I believe that I believe I I can
double check with the building department. I believe that does require a permit. But on the other hand, for someone I mean, again, you could look I think you could kind of look at this as a driveway on someone's property, you know, are and are they are they allowed to to have temporary storage of a camper
in a on a driveway on their property? Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's registered, right? Does it make any difference about that? I don't know. Assume assume it's registered. Yeah. Yeah. So I I do but but that's but that's why I would I would just suggest you contact the health department just to make sure that
there no issue they don't have any issues with temporary storage of a camper. Okay. Again thank you very much. Thank you so much. Have a nice summer. Yeah. You too. Enjoy. Have a nice It's a nice spot. All right. report of the planning board liaison to
the commission. Hello, Chris. Good evening. Good evening. So, our meeting tomorrow is going to be a long one. Uh we've got a 6:30 p.m. start. We're going to be uh having a couple quite a few uh public
hearings. Um the first public hearing is a new one uh regarding the Chumsford Mall uh development work that'll be happening and I believe there's an NOI coming to you on that as well. The second one is going to be for a
number of zoning articles that we are starting to pull together for town meeting. um a new zone called uh CB light uh reszoning Kate's Corner massage uh establishment redefined definition of
family for zoning purposes the ADU minor updates from the attorney general's office and then uh school impacts as well. Uh so those are the zoning articles uh for town meeting that will be starting our public hearing. We'll start it this week and then probably
continue it for two more meetings into August to give people enough time to um look at what we're proposing and offer comments. We're also going to be talking about the 51 to 55 Middle Sex Street uh area for potential reszoning uh to some
of the CB light area um before bringing it to town meeting. We're pressure testing um Kate's Corner and this area to make sure that it's a it's a zone worth uh pursuing and it seems like it is.
We are also continuing with the public hearing for 300 Bill Ricka Road special permit for recovery center and then we'll be talking more about planning the task force for the managed growth strategy. That'll be our long meeting tomorrow.
Chris, um the Chelsea Mall project, is that two different things going on there? Are there So, it's one big project. Um, but it's two different businesses on the site. Yeah. What they're looking to do is completely um redo their parking area uh
at the bottom as well as put two um pad sites for potential uh fast casual restaurants up at the two top parking areas. Okay. So, the one behind the Chinese restaurant and one on the other side.
Nope. Um, so when you come into the the Chsford Mall area where Kohl's is, um, on either side at the upper parking lot, there's enough space for one pad site on each small factory. So, is this coming coming as one project
though? Yeah. Okay. It's coming as one project. It's not two separate projects. Okay. And that'll come to us the same way, I believe. So, yep. Any other comments or questions? Of course. Thank you. All right. Thanks. Thanks.
David, do you have any idea when we'll see that? Uh 265 chancer, that's on next meeting. Next meeting. Okay. All right. Okay. Okay. Next up, we have a uh going into the regulatory hearings notice of intent
for ao construction 9 Jesse Road. This is continued from our last meeting. We already had the notice read and we have Kenneth Lenia. There it is. Very good. Thank you from Cornerstone Lands Associates LLC representing the applicant. Why don't you tell us about your project?
Absolutely. Good evening, Mr. Chairman, members of the commission. Kenneth Laneia, Cornerstone Land Associates. We're here before you for 9ine Jesse Road. Uh it's an existing single family home on a halfacre piece of land. Uh it has a bordering vegetated wetland in the rear
of the parcel which I think um we did a sitewalk uh David and myself. Um, I believe it's an old detention area for that whole kind of Kensington, Jesse Road area. There's an actual catch basin that I did locate. I showed it on the plan. It's in the middle of this what I
would call a old detention area, but now it's a BVW. Um, we identified the wetlands on the site, uh, flags 1A to 7A, uh, in the rear of the parcel. We're proposing to take down, uh, the existing single families, kind of shaped like a
T. um with like a 12 by8 edition in the rear. Uh we're taking that 12 x 18 off and just enlarging it um to I believe it's uh 30 by 28 or something to that effect nowadays. 30 by 32 and uh we are
proposing to also include some roof recharge with the new addition. Uh we're going to collect the storm water runoff from the front of the house as well as the addition. Uh locate them into two um infiltration trenches, one in the rear of the parcel um and one on the right
hand side. Uh all the construction of the new dwellings will be outside of the 50oot no disturb. Um and uh there's just a little slight amount of grading in kind of the back left corner. um with very minimal. I think uh David and I counted there were maybe four or five
small trees in Calipa that we would have to take down, but we are not anticipating taking any large uh trees greater than 1 foot in Calipa down on the parcel and we're hoping that uh we can get a uh NOI approval from you folks this evening. I'd be glad to answer any questions.
Okay. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Dave, do you have any comments you want to start us off with? Um I mean this is this is pretty simple and straightforward. Um there's been you know roof uh the roof drainage uh is shown on the plan.
Um it really recommend approval with the standard order of conditions really. Okay. John, do you have any questions? I agree. It looks pretty straightforward. Roof that seems to be taken care of.
No good. Bill, did a full foundation on the new addition? Um, no. It would just be a slab. Just a slab. Yes, sir. So, you have a frost wall and a slab. Yeah, absolutely. 4 foot frost wall, slab in the middle.
No, I'm pretty I'm good with this. Okay. I can't see that at all. Uh I I don't see a uh a spoil pile of uh your castings from the excavation. Yeah, it'll be removed off site. Oh, you're not going to give anything on
there. Okay. Is the uh straw waddles up? I don't see those. Uh yeah. Hey, Bill. Okay. I did submit a plan uh revised from the one that's shown on the video. That plan did show um
I thought I thought this was the most recent He builds. Yeah, they were on the one you sent out, David. Okay, but we want we'd rather see straw waddles if you could. Not a problem. I think I wrote the note. I said fence or 9 in straw wer
in location as shown prior to construction. So, my apologies. I brought up the wrong plan. Oh, yeah. So, so if you do do the approval, it should have the revised date of 62725. Okay. No, this is the May 22nd one. So,
I I see it with those cults in the back there. Uh nope. It's just a a trench, a stone trench, 2x3 um 6-in perforated pipe wrapped in Morphe uh just to provide some recharge from that new structure. Uh we're also reducing the total amount
of impervious area on the parcel by 24 square ft. Okay. Nope. I I noticed you were inside the 50 foot, but I don't really call that a no something that's going to inhibit the no no build zone there. Not a big deal.
No part of the building is right. Yeah. Right. I'm good. Thank you, Chris. Yeah. Just uh are we waiting on anything, David, at all? Do you have any comments or anything like that? We received uh received the number. No comments. Uh good.
I don't know. It continues to say waiting for fee, but they cashed my check back on June 12th. So, I have no idea, you know. So, um, but it is got a number. Yeah. 129-0969. But even as of today, when I look prior
to coming, it still says it's waiting for the fee. So, I'm not understanding why, but I'm good. All good. You're good. Peter, tell me about the trees. Yeah, very small. A couple of pines. Um, and again, I think two of them were
really more of just um, saplings. Um, it's a sloped area that comes up on the left side of the house there. The grade gets pretty pronounced. So, we're going to have to cut into that corner a little bit so we can get that addition to sit so we're not intruding on the 50ft no build.
And, uh, but we did it in a way so that we don't have to cut any of the larger trees. So the the 1 foot diameter tree you mentioned, David, you were out there. Yeah. Are pine trees? Yes. Okay. You you you certainly could put a a
condition in to replant. Well, yeah. I don't know. I I'd be more inclined to do that if they were shade trees, deciduous trees. But anyone else in the commission care? Ask one or two little plants. I mean, a couple blueberry bushes perhaps, you know, something like that.
You know, I'm fine with that. You love shrubs. Yeah, I'm okay with a couple blueberry bushes. That's fine. And the logic would change cuz we're actually we're removing the two sheds so we can stay under that uh imperous surface area. So that would be a great location to put them where we're taking the sheds out in the back. We're
going to have to replant something there anyways. So it's not dirt. So I something native would be great. I have no problem. If you want to stipulate that, that's fine. Thank you. Yes. All right. Any and this is a public hearing. So, any any questions from the
neighborhood uh from the public? Anybody want to come up? Hello, I'm Eric Olsen. I reside at 11 Jesse Road. I'm one of the abutters and u the thing I'd be most interested in is there's a nice visual buffer between 11
Jesse Road and 9 Jesse Road. So if you're knocking some of that vegetation down, you know, if you could sir keep that nice visual buffer that uh that would be my comment on this. Thank you. Okay. We have another Yeah. So that so that tree area that he
had spoke about is that large kind of hill coming up on the side between the properties and again we're not taking a tree down greater than six inches in Calipa. Okay. Good evening. Hi Steve Mafone. I reside at 13, Jesse wrote. So, just a couple of things. Um,
in the future, the abundance notice had a lot of information that was entirely not accurate. Okay. It um the ad was supposedly posted in the newspaper that is no longer in
existence. uh the Eagle Independent and um as well as the conservation email in person is not here any longer. Did you use an old form, Dave, or did they did you get that off the website? I did.
Well, that's that that's the problem. It's it's it's dated. I'll I'll correct that, you know, and um Okay. Thank you for bringing that to our didn't come up as being you know we had a sign for it because they use the postal way of verifying delivery as
well. Um and the other thing is interesting why isn't the owner the person that is doing this because see it is a group home at at that location and they are expanding it as a group home
and I I just asked um planning board it doesn't have to go before planning board either um so I know there's other issues that we've had with parking and trash and it's not a notfor-profit company so I
Okay. Don't know if it goes any jurisdiction. That's none of that's our jurisdiction. Yeah. We're we're looking to protect the wetland, right? But David, maybe you want to comment on um you know, the applicant as a contractor as I understand it. You know, certainly
that's represent right to do that on behalf of the owner. Yeah. Okay. But so this came off our our website uh apparently. So So we will fix that. But were the abutters properly notified?
Is the question I would have? Yeah. No, I I was provided the cert copies of the certificates of mailing. You were I'm sorry. Say that again, David. Um I was provided copies of the certificates of mailing. The certified mail. Okay. So you got one in the mail.
Certified mail. It was from the post office. Certificates of mailing. Certificate of mailing are allowed under the bylaw. Right. As But you received one in the mail. Did you receive it and this in the mail? Yeah. Okay. It's in the mail. But Okay. Thank you. We will clean that and I appreciate your
comment. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. We we typically nowadays because uh most commissions as well as the D allow the certificate of mailings, we do the green cards and white slips to D and the lock box so we can keep track because sometimes they're a little wishy-washy on whether they receive some
stuff. Um but the certificate of mailings, we just go with the form 3056. I think it is from the post office. Um, and we submitted that in due time prior to the last hearing. Okay. Yep. All right. So, this is a public hearing. We need to close the hearing and then uh
we can uh deliberate. So, I move to close the hearing. Second. Motion from Chris, second from Bill. Uh, all in favor? I I meeting is the hearing is closed. So, now I'll take a motion for Was there anybody on Zoom?
I don't know. No. Well, do isn't anybody trying to the public, right? No, there's nobody. Oh, okay. Sorry. Is is now the time to I'm sorry. Uh conditions, bushes. Yeah. So the motion would be for
I make a motion that we approve and issue a standard order of conditions with the special condition of having blueberry bushes added or or some native some native species species uh such as blueberries. Should we put a number on that just to
be sure so I can you know should we say three? Is that at least three? At least three. At least three. That's a high high bush. Four feet. Yep. Every four feet. And you want to grow three different varieties and you'll get good blueberries.
All right. I like it. Sounds good. 10 plots a day with 18 plants. All right. All right. So, restate the motion here. I have a motion that we issue our standard order of conditions with a special condition related to having some
native plantings, for example, blueberry bushes, and we'd have at least three of such uh bushes be planted. and we'd separate them out at least 3 ft distance apart from each other. Okay. Motion from Chris. Second. Second. Second from Bill. All in favor?
I. Motion passes. Excellent. Hearing is closed and uh nice project. All right. Thank you very much. Have a great evening. Yeah, you too. Okay. Do you need to do a brief recess? I am going to take a recess right now. I
have to go next door for a right reservation business for about five or 10 minutes I hope and we'll come back when agent 95 Boston Road, Warren Pole Conservation Rate Reservation. And do we have a notice of intent?
Mr. Chairman, pursuant to the provisions pursu pursuant to the provisions of the Massachusetts Wetlands Protection Act, Mass General Laws, Chapter 131, Section 40, and the Chamsu Wetlands bylaw, Chapter 187, the Chamson Conservation Commission will conduct a public hearing here in room 204 at the Chsa Town
Offices on Tuesday, July 8th, 2025 at 7:30 p.m. to consider the request for determination of applicability filed by Mr. David Coons. Um, doing business as Yeah. doing business as the town of Chumsford Conservation Agent
uh on behalf of the property owner, Town of Chumps Conservation Commission for the proposed selective application of herbicides using folure spray. Folure applications will not be used near surface water. Cut slash stem methods
and or hack in squirt methods to control invasive vegetation in bordering vegetated wetlands associated with 100 foot buffer zone riverfront at 95 Boston Road aka Warren Pole conservation reservation further identified as
assessors parcels map 94/block 348/ot14 map 93/block 348/ lot 8 and map 102block 348 lot 8. Mr. Chairman.
Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Chris. Mr. Coun, would you like to tell us about your project? Sure. Um, so, uh, I think there's little doubt certainly in my mind that the Warmhole Reservation is the most botanically diverse, um, conservation property in town
anyway, uh, with combination of forest land and and open field. Um, I would say it's pro probably exceptionally diverse, you know, in in the region, you know, based on the species that have been documented out
there. In fact, Ox Oxbow Oxbow has done a couple of botanical surveys. Um, there's an there's another one that's more or less in process right now for the meadow. Um,
basically just sort of redomenting um what's uh what's already known to be there. But it's also fair to say that the property is uh at least in certain areas um a mess of uh invasives
just just infested with them. So just you can see some examples here. This is this is a bittersweet Asian bittersweet. That's what looks like that's maybe killing an an elm tree uh right there. Um,
you know, this this is um some um trees of heaven. Heaven, which are all all over the place. Um, nothing heavenly about them, right? There's uh there's some more bittersweet
um that looks like it probably already killed an ash tree. Uh burn burning bushes just all over the place. That's That's the red. Uh some some people think it's really pretty, but it just it just tends to crowd out a lot of the
native plants. Another tree of heaven. Uh bit bittersweet again, which is just all over the place. Uh another closeup of some burning bush.
Uh so um anyway, so the the commission has contracted using CPA funds for 30 hours of herbicide treatment uh by Oxbow Associates scheduled scheduled to um for
uh August and September. Uh you know, it's it's there's there's no one focus area. In fact, Carl Car Carl and I will be going out there with the the licensed her herbicide applicator um next week to um
just, you know, sort of do an initial reconnaissance, come up with the areas that we think are the highest priority. I I certainly already have an idea uh of of those. Um so uh be be because so so much of the
meadow um is either in wetlands or buffer zone. Um that's that's the purpose of this RDA. Uh and uh it it it can it can be a -2
and a neg -3 because because it's similar to the lake that invasives are not presumed to be significant to the protection of wildlife habitat or or really any of the other interests uh
under the act. So removing them is not considered to be an alteration. Okay, that's pretty much it. Thank you. And um conservation agent David, do you have any comments you want to make on this proposal?
Uh sure. Um I mean this this is only a start. Yeah. You know, there's there's a long long way to go. This is this is going to be a yearly um activity, I think. Um I I know Dale is here and I don't know if he has
any uh comments but uh this in invasives management is allowed under the conservation restriction. Yep. Yes, it is. So if you want to come up Dale, but you don't we're not asking you to. We're
just sign in name and name, address, and serial number. I solemnly swear. No. Uh Dale Williams, uh 21 Clarissa Road, Chelmsford, president of the Chelmsford Land Conservation Trust, who a partner
with the conservation restriction on the Warren Pole property. Um we approve of this. It's in the it was written into the into the conservation restriction explicitly because of the all the invasives. Um my only concern is
uh these been growing for a long time and they're likely to have seated themselves quite extensively. When you open things up on suddenly that forest floor gets sunlight and they'll start to grow again. Are is there
a plan for continual five years um attack on this or something? So, I can answer that. We we we need to develop a specific five-year plan or 10-year plan, but we definitely need to
have an ongoing presence on this uh going after this. We and we should be looking at planting some things behind there. So, we are going to be looking at Oxbow to give us some guidance on that. They've, you know, they're the experts in this and so you you're you're absolutely right. Cutting cutting and removing
invasives one and done deal. No, it's a long this is the beginning of a long-term approach. All right. My other u a little bit of of a reservation is we have yet to do that
uh that wildlife study habitat and a lot of these uh invasives while they're invasives also feed wildlife. Are we are we going to be affecting that population or
Well, no. They really don't. They're again they're they're not considered to be significant to the protection of wildlife habitat. So um you know I you know unless unless you know something differently. Well birds eat certainly eat bittersweet
berries. Go they go right through them. Yeah. And it's actually not healthy for them. Yeah. They'll eat it. They'll eat it but um Okay. So So it's bird junk food. Yeah it is. Unfortunately, that that just means,
okay, if they're gone that the seeds aren't getting spread around, but um but but but but you mentioned the habitat study. Um we I I actually am expecting that um it it shortly it's it's going to be a list of um options
um for uh creating different types of habitats uh on the property and enhancing or attracting species. Yes, you know, you know, planting native species, you know, for instance, you know, elderberry, which
has berries that birds love, right? I I can see that definitely being, you know, part of a proposed, you know, uh, management plan. Okay. Thank you, D. All right. Questions from
the commission? John? Anything? Well, all I can say is good luck. Thank you. when you're able to root break it, just have at it. Billy, uh just curious, how much is money is for the first round?
Uh this is uh 4,200 or 4500. It's 4,500. I'm trying to remember which one. Yeah. Yeah. But the CPC approved it. So this is a doable thing. It's not $50,000 a year. This is No, no, no, no. This is this is actually a this will be a lot of work this year.
At the same time, it's going to put a dent in it. You know, it'll put a dent in it, but it's not, you know, we're gonna, we could do this every year for five years, probably. And the plan is to go to other sites, too, with the same type of probably follow up. You know, Coois has a lot of invasives. We could probably follow up there. Crooked Spring has a
lot. Some of the others do, but the those those are the three that jump out at me as the biggest. Yeah. No, I think it's a good idea. Mark, uh I noticed you had some of the methods of uh spraying. Uh is this going to be
cutting and uh spraying applying pest? Well, f folure means applied to the leaves. Um and it kills the plants that way. Um then yeah then the cut stem methods are um where where the the stem
the plant is cut and then there's herbicide added to the cut area to kill the plant. Um heck hack and squirt methods. Um that's that's where like yeah um a a cut is made in into the um
the stem of the plant or say it's say it's a tree and then and then the herbicide is sprayed into that cut. So is that moduli effective or Oh it's very effective. Oh it is. Oh yeah. Yeah. You would do that to Norway
maples. That would be or you know anything bigger than you know something like this and you you hack you you hack in with like a hatchet and then apply that. The other way is to girdle it um around but yep
I think I think the the timing is important too. I'm sorry. The trees uh I think that on this property primarily are the the trees of heaven. Yeah. That will be Yeah. The bigger ones. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, the trees of heaven, I would expect will be doing the um cut and paint
um cuz they're generally this size. I think there's a couple of big ones, but they're, you know, you just cut them and then paint them. And when you do that, you want to paint it within minutes of when you cut it. You don't want to do it an hour or two later or the next day. You got to do it within minutes. So, we'll we'll we'll take any volunteers to
help, but we'll have some volunteers right with the the Oxbow people. So, that um they're doing they're doing the stuff we pay them for and not the labor. Okay. So, all right. That's that's I had a question. Chris,
what's our timing again on this? Uh it's timing based on the season, which is the best time to do it for certain plants. So, it is August, September, even into October perhaps. I would expect they'll be there a couple of days. I mean, it's for third 30 hours. 30 hours. So, it could be two days one
week and two days a few weeks later or something like that. And when do you think we'll see progress on it? Is it going to be immediate or is it take like certain like months? I think you'll see real progress. If if we go after burning bush, that would be dramatically because we would cut all the burning bush and paint it right then
and there. And in terms of volume of vegetation, that's big. And that's where I, you know, to Dale's point, you you would be transforming that area fairly quickly if we did that. So I think to David's point, when we meet with him next week, we're going to strategize on what they think because they do this all
the time. They've been doing this for years. And when they look at our site with that filter, they'll say, "You want to do this and do this? Put that off." That, you know, that'll be that'll be what they How do you do you end up burning some of this stuff? We could we could we we we could pile it
up and burn it or we could just let it let it sit and rot. Um I I don't burn it. Yeah. I don't know. We'll see. We'll see. Don't burn it unless you have to. I I I should have mentioned that Oxbow will be uh u preparing uh an end of season report as well after the
treatment is completed. Sending that to the Get that report what in the fall then? Yes. Yes. Good. Okay. Allie, good. You want to come help, Peter? Uh, yeah. So, which species are you
thinking you'll go after? The ones you mentioned or the the the big three on that site would be the tree of heaven, the burning bush, and the um the I would say the bittersweet. The bittersweet. Those those are the big three. This I barbar's big too. And the
Japanese barbar is one that holds ticks. They tick like barbar. So, I'd love to get rid of and that one actually is one that I think we can work with. You know, we can it's not so pervasive that we, you know, we could get we could put a real dent in the barbar.
The other ones that there's the purple loose strife in the meadow which, you know, if we were able to do something there, but I don't think that's going to spray the loose stripe. Yeah. I don't think that's their thing that actually we we we can talk to Scott about the Beatles. Yeah. I I believe that they can order them.
Yeah. So, we may do that, but that may be something we would do next year because I think it's more like May, June time frame. Well, we can we can we can uh apply beetles to that whole 30 acres for about $5,000. Yeah. So, we I've sent you all a Yeah. But I think the idea would be to
do that, get that all set up so we can go right at it in April, May next year. So it sounds like most of what we're picturing is limited use of herbicide by hack and paint or hack and spray. But you did but you mentioned folure
application. Yeah. And you only do that when it's no wind. Very specific. Um and they're professional. They they know exactly how to do it. Yeah. My only point is that this wetland discharges to our uh core and endangered
species habitat. a while it is a mile upgradient of Mark's wells. Yeah. So obviously minimizing well it says it won't be used in your service water but that's but that's that's something else we we can well the the the the pesticide and
herbicides don't decompose very quickly. Well migrate I mean supposedly there is a water safe gly glyphosate. Um again I don't know the details on that. Again, we can certainly ask him about that, right? Because because I don't want to get onto
a tangent, but but I just coincidentally the day I received the invasive management plan for 255 Princeton Street, and they they they are proposing folure applications actually in the wetlands, which is a pond. Oh, wow. So, I am I am going to, you know,
respond to that. Okay. Yeah. So, we just want to set a good precedent. Yep. Obviously. Agreed. Agreed. And then uh I just want to echo what Dale said, the seed bankank question. Yeah. Yeah. That's just have to see. Always a challenge. It it'll be it'll be
a long-term. But if you knock down a lot, then you have a chance to stay on top of it. And if you've got if we have a team of volunteers, uh we should get a box truck in the fall and drive out to uh I don't know if I
can endorse somebody, but there's a wholesaler in central Mass. You can get a nice 4 foot elderberry for about 12 bucks. Oh, that's fantastic. I know this because I have a bunch in my yard. Okay. So in terms of replanting, if you've got a team of people and you
think that's the Oxwell thinks that's the right thing to do, you don't have to spend 50 bucks on a elderberry plant and they may actually recede as they did in part. It's a good area for that, I would think. All right, that's it. Any any This is open to the public. Do we have questions
from the public? We already had a question. Do you want to come up, Dale, or you I just want to add something to your discussion. Um, in my previous history,
in my previous history as a forester in Indiana, we used some of the products you're talking about. And in wetland areas, the product was called Rodeo, which doesn't have the certificant in it that Roundup does. So, it's it's it's
formulated for uh areas around water. Um, and there was something else, but it just went out of my head. So, anyway. All right. Thank you. I I hope the stuff is still around cuz you know that was I'm quite sure these guys are up on the
latest and greatest and safest and Yeah. All right. I will take a motion then. Make a motion, Carl, that we close the public hearing. Motion from Chris to close the hearing. Second from John. All in favor? I I I Okay. I make it make a motion that we approve the project with a negative -2
in negative -3 determination. Okay. Is there a monetary amount be put on it or there isn't any? But we already we we approved the money. We did that we did that weeks ago and then from Oxbow. Yep. There's no conditions.
Yep. Do do we want to add a condition simply to simply to make kind of a public statement that we will use uh procedures that minimize use of uh herbicides? Sure. As I mean just to sort of make it clear,
we're not talking about spraying Yeah. 40 acres. We're talking about very targeted targeted application. I think it might be in your announcement, but would that be worth it in a condition just to set the stage for future? I don't I don't see a downside. The only
the only one that I that I was thinking of that already been mentioned is is just the requirement for the the pre-treatment walkth through with the licensed herbicide applicator. You know, I like that because I think that's the other part of the invasive plan is you need an expert,
right? So, I'll add a couple special conditions then uh to the approval. Then, we're looking at having a a pre-treatment walkthrough with our agent and and commissioners obviously be welcome to that. Uh that'll be one. Uh we'll also make a note that the um that
the process will minimize to the to the reasonable extent possible the use of herbicides as as needed and and it'll be a targeted approach with the herbicides. Uh and then also I think we mentioned the um the post treatment the report in the fall that there'll be a a
report that will be create a written report will be created and it will be um presented to our agent and the agent will present it to the commission as well. Yeah, it's good to have in the contract. Perfect. Motion from Chris. Second. Second from Mark.
Any further discussion? All in favor? I Okay, motion passes. Mr. Agent your Mr. Coun, you are good to go. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. And Dale, thanks for coming in. Appreciate it. Appreciate the support.
Uh, okay. It is 2025 July. Time for a reorganization. So, we are I move that we adopt Carl as our chairman for another year. Second. Oh, I'm sorry. Oh,
it's going through the agenda. Uh I Okay. Motion from Chris. Second. Second from Bill. All in favor. All in favor? I I. All right. Here we go.
I'll make a motion that we have Chris as our vice chair, our very capable vice chair. Second. Second from make motion. Oh, I can't make Can I make that motion? No. No, I can't. I I I I move we elect Chris as our vice chair if he is so willing
to continue his stellar contributions. Motion from Chris from Peter, second from Bill and Chris accepts. All in favor? I. All right, that's better. All right, thank you. We will continue with the ship in the same direction, I guess. So,
we bled through that, didn't we? Yeah, it's official. Okay. All right. Here we go. Do you need to step out or No. Yeah. I apologize. That was not I'm looking at the draft. Oh. And this was not on the draft. So, I figured this was a good time to duck out for a second.
Uh, do you need You need to Yeah. All right. We'll take a three minute threem minute recess. I thought you could proceed without uh Yeah, I guess we can. I guess we can. Yeah. We don't have We're not It's not regum. We still have a quorum. Yeah, we still have a quorum. And it's not regulatory at this point. It won't be the same.
It won't be the same. It just won't be the same without Peter. Continual business update on the Freeman Lake parcel boundary surveys. Mr. Mr. Agent, Mr. Coun. Uh, okay. So, um, my apology my
apologies that amount is incorrect. Um, that's that uh does not include the materials, does not include the actual grant balance. So, so the the actual amount uh should actually be 4925 4,925
um dollars for just what it says installation of granite bounds at five lock corners and wooden stakes along property line which would be in preparation or preliminary to having the fence company install a fence along that particular property line which I think
is important and that do do we remember how long that we say four nights Yes. Uh that fence would be it's not that long. No. Uh ft or something like that. Yeah. Okay. So, for a split rail fence, we're probably
talking a few hundred. Yeah. Okay. All right. So, we're not we're not talking about 4,900 here and then another 4,900 for a split rail. No. No. But but but the next thing to do is to have the fence company come out and provide an estimate. Okay. On that. Okay.
So this is five grant bounds plus their estimate of three hours of labor per which is probably high but I think they probably wanted to be more on the expensive side and then have it be less. Okay. So they'll bill us at what they
come in at. Yeah. Yeah. What whatever the number of hours. Does this indicate drill points too? Yes. Yeah. There there there will be I think it's important that the people up in North Johnson are able to use this information when they want to get work done. They pay for it. Okay. Okay. Well, even these if we have them come
back to do something else up there. That's what you mean. Right. Okay. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Right. So, there will be drill holes in in the the center of the the bound each bound. All right. So, the motion is So, I'm I'm glad we're at this point. We've been this has been a long hall. We've had a
lot of work on this. We've had surveying. Um, and I appreciate the the input from the um public on this. We've had good input on from the public on making this happen, and I appreciate that, and I think it's the right thing for us to do. So, I'm looking for a
motion to approve uh the spending of 4925. 4925. So, I make a motion, Mr. Chairman, that we approve. Is it up to 4925? Yeah. Not to exceed is what I heard. Yes. Yes. Yes. An amount of of not to exceed $4,925
for the installation of granite bounds at five lot corners and wooden stakes along the property line. This is in reference to our Freeman Lake parcel boundary surveys. And we specified the five bounds, the five Yes. points. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Motion from Chris.
Second. Second from Bill. All in favor? I I Okay, good to go. Place that order. let's let's make this happen and uh very happy to hear that. Um do did you get any sense of timing? Are they
uh I haven't asked for that. Um but when when I authorized and to receive tomorrow, I'll ask him time frame. All right. Thank you. Okay. Land management uh conservation site updates. Um Peter, do you have
anything on Thanksgiving forest? Well, this is uh yes, I have a email from our site stewards that was sent to Carl, which means I need to get out there. But um just a couple quick things. There
was a a widowmaker tree removed by uh our splinter group. Yeah. Yeah. We're using that name. Is Dave, you know, I thought that was clever. Uh but apparently that was done quickly and efficiently by some of our volunteers at the request of either you
Carl or Lance Stewart. Yeah, it was uh system the system works. Y I guess apparently it was not easy there. It was winched and Yeah, it was a I did I wasn't there, but it was uh significant from everything I heard and saw. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think it uh it was dangerous, you know. It was right
over the trail and it was heavy and and precarious, right? And from what I understand about our splinter group, these guys um have some knowledge of what they're doing. They're not just winging it. No. Um, our stewards uh report beavers
are active and um the entry is looking good. I don't know if you've been over there. Plants are growing, but they'll grow some more. And um there was an issue though that that caught my eye that um I think it was Jeff uh reported
uh of a of a untethered dog and the animal control officer has gotten involved apparently. So, I don't know what you guys have been seeing at other conservation lands. My personal experience with different town
conservation lands is I am accosted by dogs occasionally off leash. And I know we haven't talked too much about that, but here's an example where apparently it was the unleashed dog was bothering other people's dogs. So, that sounds like the appropriate
response to get animal control involved. Okay, thanks. So, yeah, thanks for sending that. Yep. No, they do a good job over there. Yeah, those guys. Yeah, Chris, anything on Crooked Spring? It's looking good. Um, particularly the parking lot looking really good.
Yeah, I appreciate that. You know, it's obviously works going on to keep that clean, but it's looking good. And I thought the trails look uh I could tell there's been work done to try to widen some of those trails and push back on the poison ivy. Yeah.
Chris, what whatever happened? Remember we had a conversation a while back on Crooked Spring about some fallen pine trees and I think it rained and then everything just, you know, I I I I it has occurred to me to get back to I think it was Mr.
Piper uh if I remember right and just chat with him and see what his thoughts are there because there you know we haven't really heard any more about that. There's a lot there is a lot of those trees down, but that's you know trees down in the woods is um natural. So although that that was such
a disturbed site when did they put in Route 3? 60 70 years ago. You know that was a that was stripped down and so it's all the trees that grew up in that area were all the same age. So they start they start dying but um right it's just yeah there is some fuel there. Yeah.
Just just an interesting conversation. you know, are what how manicured do we want these properties to be? I mean, one thing I did note was there there continues to be some corrosion going on with the dam itself. There's that steel top of the beam. I'm glad you said I noticed like um a hole kind of right in the
middle of the beam, right on on the on the parking lot side on that end. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if some someone was foolish enough to try to walk attempt to walk across that, they could really injure themselves, but I I don't really don't know what to do. It's Did we replace that or they do some work
like 10 years ago or something like that? So I think maybe something 10 years ago I remember. Yeah. I don't for my time there was work done on it. Yeah. They replaced the drain in it. Remember was draining out. Yeah. Yes. Filler full of concrete, right? Oh, okay. All right. I don't think it did anything to that to
the dam itself. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, Chris, you're right. I It's worth kind of watch it. I don't know if there's anything we do, but we should keep an eye on it. It is a potential hazard, I believe. Yeah. Okay. Mark, anything? Uh, uh,
Red Wing was just must have got mowed a couple days ago. It was nice down there and, uh, nothing's the new in the fence. Looks great down there. Actually, Bill Dings pinged me on that. So, he's got he's got some I'll get it to you. Um, okay. We'll we'll get moving on that. In fact,
it's a split rail fence. So maybe we combine it with uh Kulus Kulus and um and North Chsford if we Is it our R our defense is who we typically work through. Okay. Yes. All right. I'd like to see what they offer. I don't know what they what their
offering is. So you mean the cost estimate or No, in terms of what their what the fence looks like, what is what their split rail fence looks like. Oh, okay. Because they're not all the same. True. you know, the the one at Redwing is a very rustic looking one and um some
of the newer ones are like nice rounded machined, you know, doesn't look it doesn't look the same. So, uh you know, uh a a a really really nice one um is um what Chunford Lumper put in. They put what they put in
what what what they put in. Yeah. Over over at the far end. Okay. Of the property. That That's really I would say the best I've ever seen. Okay. Uh I can I can you know get you can ask them what where they got it. Okay. Yeah. What what it's made of and where they got it. Yeah. Okay.
Because we don't have to go to RD. I mean that's who DPW uses but um Well, yes. So So um I mean they install it. Yeah. So you talking about volunteers installing? No, I'm saying if if they had another
fence company that installed it at Chomps Lumber. Oh, okay. We don't have to go to the same, right? Yeah. Our our our def our defense would probably not use someone else's materials, right? Yeah. But especially Redwing, the look is
important, I think. I'm not so sure about Freeman. We could go with a two. Yeah. Yeah. Two is Yeah, two is f. We don't need a three for a lot of these, but you want to match what's there, but you want to match what's at at Redwing as much as we can. Yeah. Yeah, cuz
that's that's a that it's all about the look at red. The coolest. I think you get away with a two. Yeah, cuz you're just trying to delineate there. Yeah, you just Yeah, your lime quarry. I went just went in for a minute and just walk it. It's clean. It looks good. Yeah. Yeah. Bill does a nice job over
there. Yep. Yep. That that reminds me um I got an email today from somebody who does rock climbing over there. Yeah. I mean, yeah, the the quarry is it's actually I mean, that would be a cool location for you can do it there. Yeah. But but what did what what did he say?
He said something about Careful, you're on screen with that. Yes. Um there was someone who uh this is where people put stuff up on screen. It happens all the time, too.
says, "My my name is Preston Steel and I have been climbing in the lime quarry for a few years now. Um, in the past year or so and had built up a landing under the wall in the back quarry to put bouldering pads on for a new climbing
project I'm working on. I was there this past Friday, July 4th, and the base had been removed. I just wanted to ask if that base could be left in place by any chance." Wow. I will plan to remove it once I complete the climb, but the base I believe is necessary to make the climb
safer. Anyone know anything about that? Don't know anything about that. Never heard of that. Interesting. Okay. Bouldering is typically like you don't have a harness. There's nothing um crampons, any of that thing.
There's nothing holding you in place. So, you're literally just like climbing on things unsecured. So my guess is that it's as he said for safety reasons. I don't know obviously how high up he's going but it might be a necessity.
There is some height there in the in the quarry. Uh it drops down quite a bit. So and you know if he's practicing or something like that I don't really but but it sounds like that the landing he had put there someone removed it. So I I don't know.
Even us I have an idea. What's the landing look like? is an idea cushion thing. Yeah. Okay. All right. I I maybe you know I I have an idea. So I had some thoughts as well. But I you know but but but I mean I
understand too. It might look like trash or it might look like you know it doesn't look like Yeah. So okay. I mean I'm Yeah. I don't I'm not pointing fingers. I'm I think I might understand how this could happen. So yeah, it's good that we know that he's doing this. Um if he does it by himself. I don't
know. So, so I mean he's looking for some kind of response. Okay. Can you send it to me and Sure. I'll I'm I might get over there sometime tomorrow and take a look at it, but I don't know if I'll be able to see some free climbing. Yeah. So, it's just they just don't have uh no ropes or anything like that. It's
just free. Okay. All right. What happens if they fall? I was going to say, is there a town li Yeah. Well, liability question. I don't know. Yeah. I don't Anything else, Mark? No, I won't say. All right, John. I'm all set. You're good.
Russell Mill is great except for the speed bumps. Actually, actually, I was over there today and um yeah, the there are some uh dead If you take a look right on the driveway, there's some dead trees. Trees on the right corner. Yeah. Uh there's enough there that I might uh we might have to talk to DPW
and or I don't know if they're looking for some work to do with their chainsaws cuz there's a few there. They can go in there with a with a mini and just load it right out. Yeah. and or a tree company because it's right on the driveway. It is right on the edge. Right on. And they go in too. There's quite a few in. Yeah. I mean, we could
probably do 10 to 15 trees. They're all dead. But safety wise, safety wise is probably all safety over there. Three or four. Yeah. Safety with them speed bumps. And Bill. Uh yeah. U Deep Brook. I I
talked to Kyle today about the uh the paperwork getting the paperwork uh ready for the to indemnify the Gilmets, the uh Ly Sportsman's Club and Mr. Boyet that uh that have property that that the trails go on to private property. So,
and the church and the church. Yeah. Um, so I think if we can uh keep that in the works and uh he's he's he's had some discussions with some Well, he was up at Lameasery looking at the the granite and those those guys are
pretty plugged in. So we we think we might have some good paths in. So So have you spoken to Mr. Besonette? No, but one of one of the guy friends of mine knows him has worked with him. So he we could talk to him and he also knows the Gil Mets. So Okay. So, so is
it is an interest of the uh sportsman's club too to do do that paper uh and the church and the church to sign that paper. Okay. So, so if we could put it together, we can uh I think we have a pretty good chance of having people sign it. Okay. So, so they're looking for the
town draft. Yeah. If we can draft something, right? Okay. So, we may get back to attorney. Yeah. So, so I would I I I well I'll ask him what he needs, but I'm sure he at the least he'll need to know the properties and and the property owners names, right? I think there's four properties, right, K? I
I'll get I'll get all that for you. Okay. I know the parcels. Okay. And then once you get that, Carl and I can touch base with the different people who Okay. who are involved. That would be great. That would be great. So, so what that would allow us to do, then we can once and for all put the
right signage up there that says these trails are all connecting. We have permission to cross these properties right now. We can't I don't feel right saying right now we have signs from here to there because you're crossing private property. Yeah. Trespass. It's like we we shouldn't be advocating
our visitors to go trespass on some neighbor's property. Even though everybody's been doing it for 50 years. Yes. Yeah. We we shouldn't be putting a sign saying the trail goes that way. So that's that would be good. That's it for up at Deep Brook and uh Oakill at
Culis. Uh last week the picnic area was cut the trail up to the trails. Any more word on that giant coyote you saw out there some week? No. No. I've talked to some other people who walk up there and they haven't seen the coyote. All right. Okay. So, go ahead. Send them over to Westward.
Yeah. Yeah. Uh so last week the uh grass got cut in the island in front of the at the beginning at the entrance of the site. The coolest uh the picnic areas cut leading up to the trails was cut. Uh a trail was cut from on the right hand
field going up to where the big tree is up there. That was uh a trail was blazed through there. So we're working on that. Uh Mr. Ray who lives up the street every day. Uh we got to thank him. He goes there every day and waters the trees that the town put in. So he's been doing
that since they were put in. So that's uh great. Uh they're surveying the site. They were started last week surveying that site. Uh so that's in the works. Um let's see. I spoke to Caroline Parley about the hay
field. She was very happy with the way the first cutting went and the way it's the grass is growing right now. So, she's planning on doing another cutting when it gets to the point where she can. So, she's very happy and uh wants to go forward with that property as far as her
hayfield. Um like Kyle was saying, I was up the quarry today talking to them about the granite sign for coolers. Uh that's we're getting all the information together so we can get pricing back to David and get that going. It'll probably
take late fall before it's ready. They'll install it. Um, and the other thing was the uh we're still waiting on the Eagle Scout for the kiosk and the two picnic tables that were scheduled to be put in a couple months ago, but they haven't been put in
yet. So, we're still waiting on that. I'm not sure where that's at. And, uh, at some point, the shed that's in the parking lot needs to disappear. So, that'll be that'll have to happen sometime this summer. That's it. Very good. And I know we're still
waiting on the um environmental site assessment. Uh uh I I I got it today. Haven't had a chance to even take a look at it, but I'll forward that from Rob. Yes. Rob Smith. Okay. Oh, one more thing. Uh when I was talking to Caroline Parley about the hay, she was telling me that someone's
cutting the she's got a fence on the uh on her on the farm, the family farm, and somebody's uh there's a paper roll that comes down through that ab butts the the old Hennessy property, which is now the water department and the side of the
Parley farm, and they're cutting the deer fence that they have that Kulis's land. So, somebody's going down there to to get into Kulis' property. They're cutting her fence. So, uh, she's kind of looking into that to find out if she can find out. She's she's seen footprints
down there, people going. So, she needs to stop that. And they're destroying her fence. Okay, good to know. Like 30 bucks for a camera on Amazon. Yeah, I think she's got one in Yeah, I think she's uh I think it's already done.
Yeah, it's not up yet. All right. Um, so I will tell you that at Warren Pole, um, we're still the, you know, the the CR is still at the state. We haven't heard anything on that. Um, we are working on the Meadow BDR. Um, we had a second visit with Ann Capra last,
uh, yesterday. That was yesterday. Uh, I got a lot of scratches on my legs. I went out there with her out in the out in the the the wet meadow and into the wetland area. So, it's quite a quite a interesting uh activity to go out there
with her um at Wright Reservation. Um so, what I went over to the across the hall for is that one of the trails at Wright Reservation um was rerouted probably 10, 15 years ago, quite a while ago. And it was I forget why it was rerouted. Um, but it
created this U uh trail where the U, the base of the U was around a stone, I call it a stone wall, but it's really a pile of stones. And it had a walkway, a wooden walkway, um, raised walkway
that's above a wet uh, seasonal brook. And that walkway has now finally after probably 15, 20 years is really falling apart. Needs either significant rework or replacement. and we were looking at it and said, "Well, why don't we just move a couple of the rocks and get rid
of the walkway and just reroute the trail by it's about 20 feet shorter and cut through what looks like a pile of rocks." And having talked to Linda um Prescott on the historic commission, she said, "Well, if it's rocks that's part
of a Stonewall, you need to come before us." And I said, "Okay, that's fine." You know, and so I did. That's what I just did. I that was the historic commission across the hall and I showed them what we were doing and they said, "Yep, fine." They approved it. So, we're good to go. We can move a few rocks and
reroute the trail and then remove the wooden structure. That's served its purpose. It was done quite well, but um after 20 years, it in the water, it it finally rather than spending money and time replacing it, we just move some rocks and we'll have uh we'll be in better
shape. So, that's where we are at, right? And other than that, I know Amy uh takes care of that. She does a nice job on that site. And um the cranberry bog, did you hear from um either of you hear from Iva? Yeah, I did too. And um so she was saying that the a there's a
new agent, not even started yet in Carlile, but they are um I I started looking at the the Carile Mosquito, and you can get a lot of good information in that in their newspaper about what they're doing. Yeah, there's a lot. Um,
just to recap, I think you were on a call with me with Carlile like two years ago. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When we suggested, or at least I did, and I think uh I I messed your name up. Ida does, too.
Yeah. Um we we said, "Hey, if you're redoing the dam, well, where's your water coming from?" Well, it comes from Chelert Hart Pond. and we recommended, you know, that they do a a bigger study of water.
And I think my understanding is that's what they're doing. Yeah. So, they're basically, my understanding is there's they've engaged or about to engage, I'm not sure where they are, a hydraulic engineer to do some math on water flow to try to figure out their dam issue. Um, but part of that is Hart
Pond and our conservation land that you know through the cranberry bog and um I don't have a specific recommendation but I would think at some point we'd want to have some input or review or something
but that's a big question for us right our pond levels. Yep. So it's all tied together. We can talk offline. Yeah. Good. Yeah. Um, when we talk about the invasives, when we were talking about Warren Pole and Crooked Spring, the Carile bog, the Cranberry bog is to
me an interesting when when I walk there, right in the parking lot area, there's a lot of invasives there right at the street. As you go down the trail, they drop off and you're about 100 ft from the parking lot, it's none. It's gone. And so, you know, I think if we
get some volunteers and we put a a fullcourt press on that for a year or two in that area, um, we can make a real improvement in that area because it's, you know, this is what happens at all our properties is it's the neighbors, you know, it's the neighborhoods that's where the invasives come from,
right? and and and that would be that that would be a nice project because as you know Carlile is spending a lot of energy on the old cranberry box including some herbicide application for invasives that are grown in that wet area. So that'd be a nice book end to work evasive both ends
the canopy. Yeah. Nothing's going to grow on the floor there. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. The um but along the trail there's some really nice uh there's some sassifrass in there. There's some um blueberry. A lot of blueberry bushes and some other stuff
in there. Lady slipper. Lady L lady slippers down by the down by the dam. Yeah, this but to Mark's point, I noticed that um John, you probably know this. The Russell Mill forest is full of understory uh there. I looked them up.
Maple leaf viburnums, which do grow. They're native and they grow and they have berries and all that. And I don't know, yeah, you know, how much light they need, but there's some stuff that does grow if the deer doesn't eat it. Don't eat it. All right. Um I think that's it on land
management update unless anybody has anything else. Um agents report. Um anything uh really uh nothing to to report. Um got the uh the two orders of conditions for Freeman Lake have been issued. So we'll see what happens.
Okay. So they've been issued. Yes. Yes. So, we'll see what happens. Okay. Keep you posted. Um, do we have any meeting minutes to approve? I don't think we do. April 22nd. We do have April 22nd.
Watch by the blank look. Nobody's looked at them. Well, maybe. All right. We will make a point. Could you please forward those to me? I looked for them and I couldn't find them. Make a point at our next meeting that we'll review them. On me. I haven't. Thank you. I have them in front of me and I don't I
didn't look at them. cuz I I thought we did have April 22nd but I looked high and I could not find them. So all right take a motion to adjourn. So move. Motion from Chris. Second from Mark. All in favor? I I thank you Chelmsford Tele media. Good night.
Thank you.