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Now, the first uh item we have in the agenda is the open session citizen concerns. And under that area, we have a presentation from Jackson Leech from the Scouts of America that was um scheduled for tonight, but I believe he's ill and sick and will not tonight.

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>> Yes. But um uh he is still requesting that the commission, if at all possible, make a decision on his revised proposal um which is to add um two more picnic uh benches or picnic tables to the project

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the um the foot bridge. So I guess I'd kind of defer to Bill um on this. You think is do you think there's enough room? >> Picnic tables. We could use the picnic tables. >> Okay. And uh Phil Stanway has sent him the plans for the ADA picnic tables.

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>> Yeah. Okay. >> So he has those. >> Oh. Oh. So they're going to be ADA. >> Yeah. >> Well, they exist that way, right? >> Are they already? >> They make all the ones they're making now. They make an ADA. Then they can use them wherever. >> Okay. So because the DPW has has put in

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an ADA one, right? that specific area is was it's all ADA accessible, but the other ones you're just putting them in just to instead of making two different types, they're just making one type now. >> Okay. So, um so I I I guess I'll I'll connect um Jackson with you since I

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think you have the best idea of you where the most suitable locations >> for these tables are. >> Yeah. >> So, um I think it' probably be good for the commission to take a vote. >> Yeah. The the only other thing, David, I was uh I think I mentioned to you on his

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uh plan for his walkway. >> We want to So it's it's similar to a deck on a on a house that it's structurally up to that standard. So you you've been talking to him, right? >> Yeah. So So what should I >> just say? He can check with the building

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department just so just so it's I think he had the uh Joyce 24 on center. He needs they need to be 16 on center. >> Okay. >> And that type of thing. And and I think uh I think with the new ADA uh trail thing uh we may want to have

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them at the ends of the of that walkway do it to that too. So it it's up to up to date as far as ADA >> and ADA. They have different categories now. So, if we can get him to do that at the end of that trail, that would that might help him too with the uh scope of

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his uh project. They wanted a little more. >> You know, he expects to have people in wheelchairs use it. >> No, but when they people walking, there's different I think Dave Sperry can address that later when he he's next. >> Do people use walkers to go on those

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trails? David, do you know >> I I I've never seen any, but certainly possible >> because there was some discussion last time. Well, people bring carriages and stuff, baby carriages and different type >> because the spacing on the planking was too wide last time he was here, right?

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And he was going to narrow it so stuff wouldn't get stuck between. >> Sure. Yep. Yep. >> So So maybe I can forward the plans to Dave. >> Sure. >> And you can you can comment on on that. That that would be great. >> We just want to have it as up to date as possible to >> Is he going to need more money because

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he's making it bigger? >> Uh >> making it bigger. He's >> Oh, he's adding two of He's adding two picnic tables. >> Yeah. Does that increase the budget? >> They haven't asked for for more money. At least not yet. I mean, we'll see how that goes. >> We just We set a limit up two, but that was based on a smaller project.

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>> Yeah. I think we gave them $200. >> 400. 400. >> It was 400. >> 400. >> Oh, 400. Okay. Okay. Good. >> Good. All right. Uh well, Bill, you want to make a motion then to approve the revised coolest Eagle Scout? I move we approve the Eagle Scout project uh for

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the Culis uh site for uh Jackson Leech. >> Okay, good. And second John on the second. >> Second. >> Any uh any discussion? >> Uh all those in favor? I. Any oppos? Unanimous. Very good.

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So then moving on next uh we have Mr. Dave Sperry is going to do a presentation to us on trails for all 2026 as an update. So, perfect timing. >> Pass it down an eye chart describing the

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uh >> uh so last year uh the Governor Healey uh started an initiative trails for all. I gave a presentation about a year ago about that. They've come out with some major

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updates to that this year which uh I think of interest to the the group here. Uh so why don't you go ahead and do the next slide. Let's see. Can we make that full screen or just scroll up a little bit

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>> or shrink it? >> Okay. Yep. >> Okay. >> Uh >> little more. So, the state has proposed uh new categories for trail ratings. The blue star is standard ADA specs.

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Uh the green circle is quote unquote wheelchair friendly, stroller friendly. Uh orange square is reduced barriers. Uh yeah, you may have some things sticking up two inches. uh in the eye chart that

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I gave you guys, it goes into the technical details of what's different between each level. Uh you can see the changes in red there. Uh the other thing that's happened along

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with the rating scheme is on the right the library has gotten the new adaptive grit chair which dubtales in nicely with the >> adaptive uh grit freedom chair. It's meant for it's

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basically a wheelchair built out of m uh mountain bike parts >> with lever arms so that you can get significant mechanical advantage to go up steeper slopes or climb over things. So between those two uh things uh that

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chair really should be able to traverse everything up to the black diamond uh in our specs theoretically if you believe the vendor documentation. Okay, just scroll down a little bit. Make sure I got my tagline there if

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there was one. Okay, no. Okay, going on to the next page. Okay, so here are the actual state definitions. Uh you can see here really the the new ones that we're thinking about are the the

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diamond and the double diamond where people are starting to bring equipment in on the trails, wheeled equipment. Uh and they proposed two different levels of it. Uh, and if you get into the details of it, in some cases it's

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somebody helping or it's electric and you can probably bet in 10 years with the way ebikes are going along, it's going to be common place to have an electric assist device helping you along the trails. So for the long term, we want to think about

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mountain bike wheelish type devices. Uh, next page, please. >> So, uh, just quick question, Dave. So, in terms of the foot bridge that we were just talking about, the foot bridge at Coolis that Jackson is working on, which which category do you think this would

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fall into? Certainly not meets ADA guidelines. Um, >> with the 8 in step, uh, it's hard to say if it even gets onto the chart. >> Oh. >> Uh, it might be double diamond, but if you can go to the next page, I

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think we can talk about that. >> Thank you. Oh, okay. We'll talk about that following page here. Okay. Uh, right now the conservation commission has two uh ADA trails on their

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properties. The one just installed at Kulis and the one installed at Russell Mill uh about 5 years ago. And you can see there that the grass and growth creeps into the the stone dust and stone trail. Uh,

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and you find it's really helpful to be able to drive a lawn tractor down it to to keep the growth off of it. Even when you're going into the woods like we do at Russell Mill, uh, the only way to really keep the vines from coming in is

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to drive the lawn tractor down and back once or twice a week. uh and that's kept it open for people to use. So when we're thinking of building uh trails for all adaptive trails, we need to incorporate we want to be able to run

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uh ordinary lawn tractor over and just cut things for ease of maintenance. >> Dave, do you have a sense of how many miles of trails we have that you're talking about? >> Uh probably be more like feet. Uh

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>> the Russell Mill Russell Mill may be up to a quarter of a mile. >> Uh >> I'm talking No, I'm sorry. Total trails that this is going to come under, right? >> That's something that we have to look at because we're not going to make >> All right, go ahead.

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>> Uh well, let's go on to the next slide. Okay, so here we talk about culus. Okay. And when you're thinking long-term wise, the the proposed bridge with the 8 inch step is probably double

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diamond because you're allowed to have steps greater than uh 2 in on that. Uh but when you start thinking about that bike being checked out from the library, uh that's hard to get up the step.

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Uh and it's easy for it to roll off the bridge. So going forward, we probably want to start thinking about having our trails designed for that particular bike because that's probably the future things to come. Uh so when we start

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specking out and doing bridges, we want enough curb whatnot uh to keep the bike from going off uh and some kind of on-ramp off ramp. >> So Bill, is this what you're thinking of? the double diamond for the coolest foot bridge or

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>> uh the way it is right now it's a double diamond. >> Okay. If you uh do the the ramp adjustments, uh the bridge is no longer the worst obstacle in the trail.

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When you put the ramps on there, other obstacles now become the worst. Okay? Whether it's a grade or roots or a slope. Uh so the the trail could be probably brought into a uh yellow dime yellow

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triangle or square uh by doing probably a few days worth of maintenance, removing a few stumps that are in the middle of the trail, filling in some holes. >> I see. >> But but I'm I'm think I'm trying to think in terms of what direction to give Jackson in terms of >> Right.

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>> Yeah. Would you like to see Jackson's ramp have the the ends ramped up to it? That would be nice. >> Okay. >> Definitely. >> Is it projects after this? >> Is it easier to do it while he's building it now? >> Yeah, that's why retrofit it later.

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>> Now is the best time. He's going to have help there and yes. >> Yes. >> Okay, that's good to know. Thank you. So really the vision forward is we just start taking out barriers that are in the trails

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uh so that we can move it up the list to get it easier and easier uh depending on how popular the trail is and what is at the end of the trail. And >> so David, do we have to assign one of those things to every one of our trails

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in downtown? >> No, this is completely voluntary. >> Oh, okay. uh and it's uh still in the late proposal stage stages. Okay. So, the big thing here is not so

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much going through and rating the trails here. It's looking into the future and saying yes, we're going to have the adaptive bike which trails we want to do that on. Here are the categories people are thinking of and here's how we talk about it.

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Okay. Any other questions before I go on to the next slide? >> Any other questions? Anyone? >> No. No. >> Just a comment. Yeah. Um, >> this is all great. Yeah. But it occurs to me, you know, if you just had your knees replaced and were having trouble walking, you'd be wouldn't be that happy

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with an 8 in step, but a ramp would get you there. So, it's even more than, you know, just being in an adaptive vehicle. Right. >> Right. That that's the whole idea behind this. >> Got it. is you've got a spectrum of needs depending on where you are in your

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rehab or uh current physical state. That's where the root of the trails for all actually came from. >> Thank you. >> Okay, next slide. So, uh we've got the grit freedom chair

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uh at the library. Uh we're going to try to do we've got a small group of people that want to test it out over in Bartlett Park because Bartlett Park is right next to the library. So you just roll it out of the library, take it across the ADA crosswalk into Bartlett

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Park and try it on the grass hills trails uh so that new users can get a feel of what they can actually do with the chair. Uh that'll be going on in the next couple of weeks. Uh there's a

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little bit representation of every kind of trail uh in Bartlett Park and Bartlett Wood lot. Uh we'll go through and measure it and we'll have people actually test the bike trying to get over things and see how hard it is to really get from the library all the way

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to the upper dam uh to the scenic site and kind of use that as a benchmark. So you get a new user in there saying >> does that have to go across Graten Road? has to go across Actton Road. >> Actton Road, right? >> Um so it gives a a good representative

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of uh where the chair uh would be useful. Uh and that way people can gauge how much physical effort it takes for the test pilot. >> H >> who's going to be the test pilot? >> We've gotten a few volunteers to come up

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here. Uh >> it's going to be a few engineers of course to start with. so we can take the technical measurements that we're interested in. Uh and then we're going to from those lessons learned, we're going to invite the Commission on

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Disabilities to join us uh after we've mapped out a path to get lessons from them uh on their perspective of it. Uh as I've walked those trails today, I look at it very differently now, looking at the roots and the rocks and all that

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than uh I've ever been used to. So, it's a a very different experience being way down low. >> Uh, and I was in there with a baby stroller trying to >> right >> do the whole thing. Uh,

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so, uh, any questions on this particular slide? >> So, so is there going um after this is sort of evaluated? Is there going to be like a report written report issued? Yeah, there'll be a report issued uh of where we go and if it's an epic failure,

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we'll report that as an epic failure. >> How did the library get the money to get it? >> Uh DPW bought it. >> Oh, okay. >> Uh using the grant money that the capital money that was voted on last year. The alternate use for the grit

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chair is for uh beach access at Hart Pond. People can check it out of the library >> and theoretically they can go down the beach and into the water with the chair. >> You probably should be able to use it up at Freeman Lake too. >> That too.

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>> Well, of course there there are the new ADA walkways going in at >> right >> Hard Pond. It all kind of wraps together in that. Um, so, uh, any other questions on this slide before I forge forward?

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Okay, go ahead with the next one. Okay, so here is the proposed trail that we're going to do in Bartlett Park. you on the right you got the library and you start off ADA then you turn into stroller friendly and

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you got a couple paths that are more difficult and you have to cross a road and you get over into the wood lot it goes now we see the the real obstacles coming up there's some diamond uh level stuff

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uh partway through and you get to the dam you can uh stay there. Uh if you're not careful, you can one of the things we want to check is you've got a a hill there. If you're going along in the

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chair and that caster wheel, does it want to take you into the stream? >> And are you strong enough to get >> There are some steep sections over there, aren't there? >> Right. Okay. So, that that's part of the evaluation. And we might come back with recommendations saying we may want to

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put a sign here saying no adaptive chair beyond this point or modify the landscape a little bit so there's a rock or some logs that catch you before you roll into it. That's all speculative at this point. Uh

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>> but it looks like a good choice. You know that a combination of different terrains and >> Right. uh and it'll mature as we learn more about it and we'll be able to apply these terms say okay if you you get to here that's

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similar to doing cranberry bog to something else and then then they're confident that okay yeah I can take the chair put it in my car go out and we can have fun at the cranberry bog >> yeah great >> okay so I think I have one wrap-up slide

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Yeah. Uh, so what we learned here is accessibility now is a spectrum just like you said all the way from knees and rehab to the the full uh need of ADA.

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Uh, we've got maintenance that we have to watch out for on our uh level trails and adaptive trails we're going to have to be cutting and maintaining added work. Uh some of the small barriers have a large impact. Uh uh a stump in the

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middle of the trail can change its rating for accessibility or just step up on a bridge can. Uh and then uh the classifications will give us a common language on how to

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describe a trail that is more towards the adaptive world. Uh, and then we're doing this little evaluation before we grow anywhere else. Okay. Just to see how it works because this this is kind of new.

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So that's it. Any questions? >> More questions, comments? >> This is a huge undertaking >> potentially, >> particularly when you're successful because it's going to be it'll go all over, >> right? that that's why we do little steps first.

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>> Do do we know if when we do something like this, do we have to report to the state that we're meeting their standards for this section? >> There's no reporting requirement, but if we do get positive results, uh we'll probably start inviting people

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from uh the committees that came up with this to come join us and learn from our experiences and get their feedback. I Chris, do will the town have additional legal responsibilities when they when they adjust when they do whatever this

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group suggests that they we do and we do it and somebody hurts himself? >> That's a good question. Will somebody check to see well did we meet some standards? Well, the way Dave is talking, we're going to meet your standards which is great, >> right?

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>> But there's got to be some situation we ought to somebody ought to make sure we check with town council that question. >> That's I don't think you have to do it now, but I think we have to just be aware of it. >> I got one very specific question. >> Yeah. >> Over the years, there was an always an

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internal argument about whether you leaf clear trails or leave the leaves on them. What? Because you're talking about roots with this machine. Yeah. >> And you're right. We're going to hit a lot of roots. What are we going to do?

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Do we going to cut the roots out? Are you going to leave? You got any any ideas yet or is it too soon? >> Uh I think it's going to be a combination of a bunch of things depending on the particular situation. Uh it may be doing a borrow pit and

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adding soil over top the roots or doing a path around the roots. >> Yeah, >> if the tree is dead connected to the roots, remove the roots. Uh it's going to be on a case by case basis. Uh, as far as blowing leaves off the

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trails, h that's a smile when I ask. >> Bud Light tastes great, less filling question. Someone else can debate it, >> right? So, gentleman there, sir, why don't you come up to the podium and give us your name and address and ask your question or comment.

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>> It's not a question, it's a comment. >> So, my name is Bill Dowling. I'm on Chattam Road in Chsford. Uh two things, not all the properties we have are amendable to ADA because of slope and rocks and whatever.

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Second point is when we have projects like this proposed, it may open it up the opportunity for state grants, grant funding to help pay for it. So we should consider this uh for the properties that are amendable to ADA.

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>> Not only Mr. Not only grant funding from the state, there may be private funding. Remember the guys that helped build the dog park. That was private funding. >> Yeah. >> I don't know how we how I guess they found us. I don't know that we found them, but there could be private money.

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Some guy might have left some money to the c country saying I would I want to encourage ADA trail building. I don't know. >> Right. It's it's all kind of under the the the same ideas. Thank you, Bill, for the >> good family lives on.

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>> They have lots of money they donate to very worthy causes. >> Well, good. Well, thanks, Dave, for coming in and giving us this update report. We look forward to hearing more. >> Now, we know what you're going to do in your retirement. >> Great. All right. Well, thank you. All right, moving on the agenda. Next up is

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our report of our planning board leaison to the conservation commission. And I know Chris sent us an email saying that he he couldn't be here tonight, but he did highlight a few matters. David, do you want to hit a couple of those points that he said? I know. >> Sure. >> He had a couple of they have a planning board's got some continuences that they have coming up. Yeah, maybe we just hit

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the highlights. I think I heard something about the data center zone uh regulations they're looking at. >> That would be certainly timely. >> Rather now than when after it happens. >> Yeah. I don't know if everyone can read that.

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>> That's what Patel's probably gonna do. Mark, put a big data center out by the water department. >> Um, you want me to just go ahead and read? >> Yeah, just read if you could. >> So, this is Chris's report last meeting. The Lady Slipper Lane hearing was

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continued without discussion. It will be continued again this week. Um last meeting we started discussing how we want to approach defining data centers and setting the zoning. Uh this discussion will continue this week and likely for a few more meetings. Uh last

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meeting we discussed zoning approach to 200 to 210 Boston Road zoning inquiry for coffee shop. We are looking at reszoning um CA to CBLT in this area and we'll also look at allowing small coffee

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shop type establishments in CA uh neighborhood commercial as options. Uh last meeting we continue discussing updates to contractor yard definitions and zoning. This will continue this week and likely for one to two more meetings.

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Uh this week we start the informal discussion with the Riverneck Road area property owners. um who abut the plans to reszone um Riverneck Road to fix the the zoning conflicts in that area. This will likely continue for another week or

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two. So >> they have to get all this done by the fall. >> Yeah. >> They're pretty busy. >> They're pretty busy. >> Pretty busy. Yeah. Thanks. Thanks, David, for putting that on the record. Yeah. >> Good. So, that's our planning board leazison report for this week. And then

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um are there is there anyone else in the audience tonight that has a citizen concern that they'd like to bring forward to us? It's something not on the agenda that's coming up later. Just come up to the podium, give us your name and address for the record. All right, seeing none, we can move on then to our regulatory hearings for this evening.

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The first regulatory hearing that we have is a notice of intent. RC Griffin, Inc. at 170 Old Westford Road. Mr. David Cowell is from Hancock Surveying Associates, Inc. is representing the applicant and we should have a legal

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notice as well, too. So, we'll have the vice chairman, Mr. Spawn, will now read the legal notice into the record for us. >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Pursuant to the provisions of the Massachusetts Wetland Protection Act, MGL 131, Section 40,

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>> and the Wetland uh and the Chsford Wetland Bylaw Chapter 187, the Chsford Conservation Commission will conduct a public hearing in room 204 at the Chsford Town Offices, 50 Bilica Road, Tuesday, June 9th, 2026 at 7 p.m. to

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consider the notice of intent filed by RC Griffin, Inc. on behalf of property owner Trinity Evangelico Lutheran Church for proposed work within a 100 foot buffer zone to bordering vegetated

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wetlands at 170 Old Westford Road further identified as assessor's map 48 block 177 lot 3. project entails construction of a 25.5

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foot by 14.5 foot addition of uh 369.75 square ft. >> Thank you, Mr. Vice Chairman. And now, Mr. K, if you can give the commission an overview of uh of the project and the work. >> Thank you, Chair. Um uh for the record, my name is David Cowell. I'm a wetland

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scientist with Hancock Associates. uh on behalf tonight of RC Griffin in the Trinity Church. Um I did want to recognize we do have a couple of members from the church with us this evening. Um I just wanted to recognize I don't think they need to speak tonight, but uh if

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they just to recognize they can speak outside of public uh comment process. So um I think we we we filed a notice of intent uh to construct a an addition to the church to um uh serve as bathrooms.

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they uh the bathrooms that they have uh now are we were just talking about ADA compliance. I don't believe they're ADA compliant and for the capacity I think of the the the church that um they're they're supposed to have more bathroom space. So this is to uh alleviate that.

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Um the addition would uh attach to where the bathrooms are now. That's where it could tie into all the existing plumbing. Um it is located within the 100 foot buffer zone and uh if you look at the plan here um it's a it's a small

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footprint. It's under uh as we just talked about um what was it 400 square f feet. Um and we're we it's outside of the 100 foot buffer zone. We've kept it outside of the no build zone. Um the

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location in which it's proposed is uh it exists as a relatively flat surface is maintained turf. So there's really no removal of any native vegetation inside of the buffer zone or or impact to naturalized buffer zone. Um the access

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would be obtained around the side of the church. We've added some arrows to detail where the route would be where they come around the back. Um we did uh hold a sitewalk uh with David. I didn't know if David wanted to speak to that, but David did um ask us for a few items

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while we were out there. Um he he wanted us to note where the the site access would come from. So, we we noted that. Um we added uh the sediment control detail where we're proposing to put a uh staked waddle at the it's it basically

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it's manicured turf lawn right up to the edge of wetland. And uh there's a a um manic it goes manicured lawn to shrubs a dense shrub layer there. So they would put the sediment control up against the wetland line and they would be able to

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drive in there. They there are overhanging branches. Uh, I did add a a note that we would permit them to prune and trim overhanging vegetation into the the access path, but it it doesn't allow them to any destruction or removal of

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woody vegetation like shrubs or anything like that. They have space to get through there. They just need to cut a few um overhanging limbs. And then uh oh the last thing um it's a small footprint but uh David did ask how we would um treat uh storm water for that small

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imperous surface area and we proposed a um stone drip uh infiltration fence around the drip line of of the roof. It's consistent with what the storm water drainage is around the the rest of the church and um I think it's a minimal thing. So we added that plan detail to

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the plan as well. And with that, um, I I think that's the short summary and I would turn it back over to the commission if you guys have any questions for me. >> Well, thank you, David. Appreciate the overview. Good. Maybe just jump over to our agent, Mr. Coons. I mean, you sounds like you're out there and did a sitewalk. What are your preliminary

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thoughts, sir? >> Um, well, so just the first thing I want to point out is that this addition is in the 50oot no build setback um under the bylaw. Thank you. H however um because it predates the bylaw, it is exempt from

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those setback requirements, uh it's uh it's section 185-5E >> IB. >> Um that that exempts this. So um so so the commission doesn't even have to vote to grant a waiver on this. It it is

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exempt. Um then then just the other the only other thing I want to say is that this proposed construction route that's because the driveway the driveway the incoming driveway is right here right Dave? >> Yep. >> So whereabouts is it David? >> And see see where I'm moving the cursor.

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>> No. >> Uh you see proposed construction route. >> Yes. >> It's basically there. >> Okay. Which which makes >> And where is the incoming driveway from Westwood Road? >> Yes. >> Oh, incoming. Yeah. Yeah. The um sorry,

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forgive me everyone. Yeah. As um what they they have they have curve blocks that come in from sort of this direction to this direction. This is just making it around this corner. So at this point, this this wetland continues off in this direction and they have access this way. So we didn't carry for >> where the church sign is on Old West

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Road. Is that where that is? Is that correct? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> And then that that driveway goes up to a parking lot right now. Correct. >> Yep. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> So, so that that makes far more sense than coming all the way around, you

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know, from the back of the parking area all the way around the back of the building. So, um that's that's why I I I suggested that. Um, so I think I think well there's one

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other thing I want to say I was asked to say. So the the the folks at 50 Grand View are not happy. >> Okay. >> Because of the lateness of the notification and I guess I guess they they they save the envelope.

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>> Where is that location? >> Uh 50 Grand View. >> Yeah. Can where on that is it? Um well it's it's not it's not shown on this but it's it's it's it's um Grand View is going up in this direction.

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Um so so they um they they asked me to mention that um that the uh the the butter notifications were not sent early enough under the regulations. They're supposed to be sent um seven business

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days at least seven business days in advance of the hearing. said that was not done. They said they're not they're not going to make any issues of it. They just asked me to, you know, mention that. >> Duly noted. >> What's that? >> Duly noted. >> Okay. Um, so I I I think this is a this

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is a standard order of conditions, my opinion. >> All right. Good. We'll see if the commissioners have any questions, comments. John, >> I have no questions. >> Good. All right. Bill, >> I'm fine. >> Good. Mark, >> that construction road that you want to put it in, that's that's going to be pretty wet. That's pretty wet up there

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to begin with, right? >> Not really. And not when I'm out there. You You maintain this. No, that's not really wet at all. >> When I was up there, I did a I walked up myself and >> you walked the access route. >> I I know. Yeah. The driveway there cuz I was up there when they were doing the

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water service. >> It's not high. >> It's not high. I thought it was high up there. >> It's high. >> The driveway goes up, right? >> I understand. But it's pretty wet around there. >> Okay. >> I'll let you finish your train of thought, Mark. Please. Yeah. Yeah. I I just want to make sure that they they do

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something not don't make a mess up there and uh go beyond the 40 the 45 ft which you're going to impede now. >> Oh, right. Yep. That was um I I consider that because I do look for these spots as well and I usually consider that especially when you're in wetlands you want to put down um mats or something

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like that. Um I really don't think it's necessary for the I asked them what what size equipment you guys are going to be tracking back there and they're not using full size equipment that I think would >> I'm all in favor. You got to you got to be you got to be ADA and it's >> it's adjacent to the yellow bathroom so it makes everything retire. >> Yeah, there's no other place to go to

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but no. Yeah, construction access that is a good point though. But I I don't think it's necessary but it's normally something that I would um um uh you know condition that if it's it's it's lawn. If anything I'm worried about he they're not having

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heavy equipment. Uh I worry about soil compaction and obviously ruting and like you said tearing it up. Yeah, I don't think that would be an issue. And you you maintain the the I saw you out there laboring. So, um

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>> there's some thought. >> Oh, that's right. That's the heaviest thing they do need. >> Oh, yeah. Okay. Good. Good. Just come right up to the mic here. Let's get that recorded and >> just introduce yourself and >> My name is Anthony Bojo. I'm a Chumsford resident. and I live on Riverneck Road.

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I'm also the um council president at Trinity Lutheran. Uh one of the things that um we had discussed was instead of bringing something as heavy as a as a cement truck back to lay the foundation for the new construction would be on the other side of the church where the

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breezeway is. So in here, there's actually a paved driveway here if we're able to bring it the truck in this way rather than around and on an unpaved service back here. That was a thought that that RC Griffin

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had. >> I I've also thought about this a little bit as well. I I I think we'd have to I think we'd have to really have a couple days of steady rain for this access to get muddy. um you know and and and a and you know kind of a mess with vehicles

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going back and forth um you know steadily but but but I think I think that's what I mean that's why the erosion control is there. I I think that would be that would be sufficient you know barring barring just a real freak you know weather event. Um I I I think

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it'll be sufficient and but but if that works you know taking the cement truck in there you know that's that's fine as well. All right. >> Why not use that for all access? >> I'm confused. It's >> up to the building. >> I'm sorry. Oh, you can answer. >> Yeah, there's an existing breezeway

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here. So, the part of this is the new construction. >> This is the bathrooms, the existing bathrooms, which we're expanding to make ADA compliant. This breezeway between these two buildings contains stairs, so it's not ADA compliant. So, part of the other part of the project is to replace

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this breezeway with a ramp, an ADA ramp between the buildings. >> So, At at certain points this will be here. There will be a structure here and at other points it will be it will not be here. So that will I guess limit access coming from this wing >> where we are in the project.

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>> Good. Thanks >> Mark. Back to you. Any anything more? >> I don't I wasn't trying to solve the problem. I'm just saying I want to be >> be aware of it. That's all. >> Okay. >> It's a valid Yes, it comes up. I I I deal with that a lot. Repairing uh compaction or tire ruts and

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>> All right, Dave, over to you. Where's the existing parking lot? >> Oh, on the front side. Sorry, >> you know better than I. Sorry, >> because I I got disoriented when I visited for the first time. The the um the existing parking lot's actually

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around this side, I believe. >> Right. Yes. >> Is that right? Yeah. Sorry. >> And what's between the existing parking lot and the building? >> Grass. >> Grass. Yeah. >> Yeah. Mannequin. >> I have no questions. >> Good. Thanks, Dave. Peter, over to you. No questions. Thank you. >> No.

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>> Good. Um, David, anything more? >> Well, so a file number has not been assigned yet, >> right? >> But I don't think I don't think we need to keep the hearing open for that. I I don't think there's going to be an issue. >> No, I I mean, it'll be the first time in my career that I've seen DP comment on a

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a 400 square foot footprint and buffer zone only. >> I don't So, I think the hearing can be closed. Okay. >> Yeah. Of course, the order can't actually be issued until you get the final. Okay. I I move we close the hearing. >> All right. Well, just uh any any last uh

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public input? It is public hearing. I any more from the public? >> Very good. All right. So, Peter's moving then to close the public hearing. John second. >> Second. >> Second. Any discussion before we close the public hearing? >> Uh none. All right. All those in favor close public hearing? I. Any opposed?

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None. Unanimous. So, we've closed the public hearing and so now we move on to our deliberation phase. Um, so I've uh I've heard our agent talking about um uh standard conditions. >> Yeah. >> Order order of conditions with standard conditions. So

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>> do we have a motion to that effect? >> So move >> Dave on the motion and and Mark on the second. >> Any further discussion before we vote? All those in favor then? I any oppose? Unanimous. So, you're all set as we, you

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know, we'll just kind of hold that decision until we get the the DP number and >> No worries. >> So, I would I would highly recommend applying for the building permit right now if that hasn't been done already. >> Okay. Yep. >> Um, >> we'll advise RC Griffin to pull it. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, I I can't sign off on it, of course,

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until the order is >> get the wheels in motion. >> Yes, that's right. Yes. Good. >> Outstanding. I appreciate the council. >> An easy one for once. Thank you, everyone. Yeah, the last one wasn't so easy, was it? >> No, no, it's going to be tough ones and easy ones. Good seeing you guys.

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>> Take care. >> Thank you, folks. And have a good evening. >> It was for uh >> Hildra Street. >> That's right. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Remember that one. Well, >> we do. Right. >> All right. So, that was our notice of

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intent. Moving on through the agenda, we move on to our request for determination applicability which uh has been a continuence CSX transportation with some rare road right of way issues. Uh David,

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>> yes. So I finally got uh in touch with Mr. Morris, the uh the applicant's representative today. Um had a good conversation with him. for for some reason he didn't get my email letting letting him know, you know, the public

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hearing notice and when it um and and when the hearing was going to be opened. Um I I I did have uh a few questions for him. So So I'll I'll just explain quickly that and he couldn't make it tonight because he had he had another

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commitment. Um but this but this is this is just the commission is just signing off on the um the the wetland boundaries um in in in connection with spraying along the railroad for the vegetation

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management. Um there I said for um for sort of financial reasons every uh the whole length of the railroad in um Chsford is considered uh uh uh limited

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limited spray then there are additionally some no spray areas which you know if they're really close enough to to wetlands um so uh which which I basically understood that already. Um and this and

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and this this determination um is good for five years because it's you know this is the beginning of of a new five-year management um plan um period. Um then they have the yearly operational plan. Um but you know there's not a

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there's not a yearly filing. It it's it's a fiveyear uh duration for the determination applicability. So the way I left it with him was that if I mean handle a couple of ways that um if the commission commission man members had

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additional questions can keep it open till till the next um meeting or could close it and I could forward I could forward the questions to him. Um I don't I don't have any additional questions. Um, so it's really up to commission members now whether you

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>> Yeah, let's see. I mean, I'm I kind of like think we could close it, honestly, unless we've got some concerns here. You know, >> we've been through this before. >> We have. We We've been standard. >> Yeah, exactly. >> Yes. >> What what gets me is they were here five

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years ago for an IDA and I asked them or David asked them, I forget what it was. What are you spraying there? She says, "I don't know what it is, but it's EPA approved." What does that mean? I want to know what he's spraying there. No, I I'm not closing. I'm not going to vote

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for closing it. I want to know what >> Have we asked him that question this time? >> We did. We haven't spoken to anybody. >> So, we haven't asked the applicant that question. And that's a question you'd like to ask. Okay, that's good. >> It's been done for years. >> I don't care. >> We still need to know what's going in the ground.

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>> No, we don't. >> They did it for years. That doesn't mean it's right. They could have used the wrong stuff. >> The the phrase EPA approved is uh >> these people are not using the wrong stuff. Let >> ambiguous. >> They don't really approve us.

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>> David, >> let let me see if he um >> spray in the ground in >> it's not rocket science >> in the RDA. >> But but wait, isn't there a plan? Isn't there a vegetation management plan we can look at? Uh, well, that's what I

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>> All right, David's looking to see >> there's the full-blown vegetation management plan, which is like 300 pages, but I'm looking for what he included in the RDA filing. Why can't he just tell us? >> He didn't know.

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>> Well, he can find out, right? >> That's what I'm holding off. >> I agree with you. Don't waste our time now. Just tell them we want to know what you're spraying on the ground. >> So yeah. So he's just saying we'll be treated with herbicides as allowed for >> Oh, that's wonderful. >> Is allowed by the federal government. It's the railroad.

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>> Could be roundup. It's the railroad. >> They can do anything they want. >> It's the railroad. They got to do whatever they want. >> All right. Well, does someone want to make a motion here? >> We can slow them down. >> They can do whatever you want, but it's the railroad. All right. Just a second.

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Mark's making a motion. that do we not approve until we find a few until we get a few questions answered. One of them being the chemical composition they chemical compound they use to spray with. Is there anything else more? >> That's fine by me.

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>> Well, I think I think the motion will be to keep the hearing open. >> Yes, basically. >> Right. Yeah. We'd be continuing would be a continu you'd be continuing the hearing to our next meeting which is June 23rd and we want an answer to Mark's question of what's going to be sprayed. >> Yeah. If you could shoot off an email to

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ask him what they're bringing, >> then it's point. >> Um, well, that's another way to handle it as well. He said, you know, could close the hearing and then just forward the questions to him, but you know, the downside of that is that if you really

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have some concerns about it, >> I don't think we should close the hearing. That's Mark says no. >> Right. >> Yeah. Not yet. So we have a motion then to continue the hearing with an answer to Mark's question >> and there may be he hasn't talked to us right >> he hasn't shown

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>> right he hasn't come here so it sounds like he had a brief conversation >> is he asking for RDA or an NOIA >> no he's well well the what he said is that the it's a determination applicability but it's a positive 2A >> right

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>> which which is um the commission's confirmation you know, the the wetland boundaries. >> Um, but >> so they're going to come back, right, for an order, right? >> No, no, this this work is exempt. >> This work is exempt. >> It's exempt work then.

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>> But but but they have to go through this process of the the RDA >> for the commission to confirm. >> So what if it's exempt? We're still entitled to know what they're spraying on the ground. >> They told us last time. So, we have a motion by by Mark, seconded by Dave

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McLaclin. We're kind of in discussion now. So, >> can you leave it open and ask him? I mean, >> yeah. >> Yeah. >> Just email him say we want we we want to know what the chemical is just for the records. >> Yeah. So, Mark, if you got if you could just send me an email that question, I

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know, but if you have any other questions, just just send me that as well and I'll forward them forward those to him. Now, he did say um Tuesdays are generally a conflict, but for him, but I will I will tell him the commission would really like to see him or

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>> he can send somebody. >> Yes, he can. But but um won't be able to ask. >> He could zoom in too. He can zoom in too as well. >> Yeah, and I told him that. I told him that. >> So, any more discussion on on the motion to continue? >> I second it. >> All right. Wait a second. Uh All right.

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Let's put it to a vote. We'll do a roll call vote. John, >> I'm good with they're gonna do it no matter what anyways, but Mark wants to see what they want to spray. >> They're gonna spray vinegar and salt. That's what they're going to spray. >> So, is that is that a yes vote then?

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>> I guess it's a yes, no. Whatever. It's in the middle. >> In the middle. >> No, it's going to be yes or no. John, >> you got to say yes and no. >> Or abain. >> I can abstain on this one. I'd like to abstain. >> All right. All right. We got an abstain. Bill. >> Yes. >> He's a yes. I'm a yes. Mark. Yes.

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>> Yes. >> Yes. >> Dave. Yes. >> Peter. >> Very good. Motion carries. All right. >> With one abstension. >> With one abstension. Correct. Very good. All right. >> I just can't wait to see what they spray. >> I don't think it's vinegar, but >> it's vinegar and salt.

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>> So what? >> We're still entitled to know. >> Yeah, I know. >> I think it's going to be a little stronger. >> That's why we're sitting here. >> It's the railroad. >> All right. That means nothing to me, John. >> Right. It does. >> All right. There were three there were

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three crossings last night at 2:00 in the morning. Three different railroads crossed in in North. >> They're busy. >> I've never heard three crossings. >> All right. Yeah, it was kind of noisy last night for those of us who are awake at 2 in the morning. >> I want to get even.

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>> We don't We don't hear that out in South Jump. >> No. Well, you live in a better part of town. I know. >> Yes, we do. >> There you go. >> Yes, we do. >> All right. All right. Are we starting to uh digress from our agenda? >> I apologize. >> Mark told me to keep my mouth shut.

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>> All night on the bike, you know, they're pretty >> If he gets too piferous, you're you're supposed to to uh manage things there. All right, moving on. This is good, though. We're glad you're back, Dave, though. Glad you're back. Uh notice of intent was continued from

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uh 414 Donaculis 9 Lady Slipper Lane. And I've also heard that's a request for continuation as well too, right? >> June 23rd. Yes. >> And really no no information other than requesting. >> Nothing new. >> But we know the the planning board's continued as well too. >> That's right. Yes. >> What that's becoming a big deal. That's

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funny. >> Don't know. Anyway, can we have a motion to continue? >> So move Dave on the motion. Seconded by Mark. Any discussion? None. All those in favor? I oppos. >> Unanimous. >> Very good. And then moving down to uh

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Smith Street. Smith Street. So that was a noseman intent continued. Joyce um one Smith Street and that's requesting a continuous swap. >> Yes. Yes. Pending pending review and drafting responses to the DPW's review.

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>> Okay. Primarily storm water for >> I don't know who I got to find purposes. >> Private corporation. >> All right. Okay. So I I I my assumption is that they'll have revised plans, you know, at >> next meeting. Okay. >> All right. Very good. So let's have a

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motion to continue then to our next meeting of June 23rd. >> So move >> Dave on the motion and second by Peter. Uh we just a note. So Mark Mark's going to be a recusal on this one because you had a conflict as in a butter, right? Uh

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all those in favor I. Any opposed? None. And just abstension from Mark. All right. Then moving on to the next item. We have another notice of intent. This was uh also has been continued for a while. Uh

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New England Power Company 100 Ecuador Road. We had Bridget Hilder and Dorf was representing the applicant. And what's going on with that one? >> So they've requested another continuence this time to August 25th.

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>> While there there's looking seriously um at redesigning the road um the access road based on comments from our peer reviewer. >> Good. >> And uh so um

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>> I wouldn't want to be that project manager who's that late, but that's his problem. >> Uh I you know I I I pressed her. I tried to get more details. I I I couldn't. I mean then again she's not the engineer. So, um

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>> I I don't know what what the the challenge is. >> All right. Um we need a motion to continue to our meeting of August 25th. >> So move >> Dave on the motion. >> Second. >> Second by Peter. All those in favor? I. Any opposed? Unanimous. Good. Uh so

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that's uh 100 Ecuador. And then um another notice of intent. It also was a New England Power Company matter. This is their transmission line right of way issue. >> Uh yes. So they requested a continuence

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to the next meeting pending their their review and responding to the peer reviewers comments. >> Okay. >> Um >> so that's we need another motion. This would be to June 23rd. >> So move >> Dave in the motion >> second. >> Second by Peter again.

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>> All those in favor I >> unanimous. Very good. So, that takes us through our regulatory hearings. >> Good job, Mr. Chairman. >> Yeah, we're moving right right through there before 8:00. Look at that. Before 8:00.

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>> Glad we're not working on peace work. What about by breakfast? >> Sorry, I was so quiet. >> Uh, now we have a discussion, continual business. Anything, David, that we want to talk about there? And then we move on to land management, I guess, if we're ready. >> Uh, we can go to land management.

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>> All right. Why don't we jump to land management and we'll um turn to uh to Bill. Bill, why don't you give us an update on Coois Farm and anything else you're working on? >> Uh well, first thing, Oakill, we had uh David uh got a hold of me. There was some three or four trees down on the

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trails. So, uh we went up there and took care of that. So, that's all cleared. Uh they also I wasn't involved in it but it uh at the cranberry bug lodge tree had fallen over the uh in the parking lot between the handicapped and really

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squat. >> So they uh they went out there and took care of that tree too. >> Good. Excellent. >> So that's all set. The only other tree that I know of that needs to be taken care of is up at Koulis uh near the vernal pool area, the new trail. So there's a tree across the trail there

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that's got to be taken care of. So we'll get that done. Well, we appreciate all the volunteer work, hard work that's going on out there to keep things going. >> Yeah, there's a lot of guys like the guys were here tonight. >> They're doing stuff every day and you don't really hear hear about it, but they are they're doing a lot of work.

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>> Um, so up at Culis, Caroline Parley uh cut the first uh hay, >> first >> first uh last week. So, I think she got a pretty good >> She got a good She was pretty good. >> Yeah, it came out good. >> They came out nice. >> Yeah. Um, we're still waiting on the

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interpretive sign. Uh, DPW audited that. We're just waiting for it to come in to install that and then put the, uh, information on. >> Who's writing the information, Bill? >> Uh, Joe Eric Erikson from DPW is working with Donna Culis and a couple other people to put together some pictures.

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>> Donna Culis is going to put the give you the history. Is that what >> some of the history and some pictures? >> Good. >> And then it's a few people working on it. So, um, also, uh, last win, uh, last week, two days last week, there was I was up there

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one night, there was 30 scouts. >> Really? >> I think it was four or five adults and 25 scouts. >> 30. Excellent. >> Yeah, it was about 30 people. It was It was amazing. Uh, the amount of people up there. uh cost brought over all kinds of

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tools and they cleared the area where the uh sledding hill is. They cleared all the rocks, all the debris, all the trash, just cleaned the area up by the big tree which we're going to put a picnic table. One of the picnic tables was going to go up by the big tree on

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the right. Uh they've cleared that area. Another group from the show tech was there the next night >> working there. So, a lot going on as far as as as that. But, uh, yeah, it's coming along good. >> Excellent. >> That's about it. >> Good. Great. John, anything you want to talk about? >> Ah, nothing. Speed bumps is still there.

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>> I I've been driving through those, uh, speed bump speed humps on a humps. Yes. On a on a regular basis and sometimes like at least once or twice a day as I go down to Russell Mill and back and forth and uh, you know, it's amazing just I mean, there's four of them. Four

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of them. >> Whose idea was that? >> Nobody's taking credit for right now. >> Nobody's taking credit. There's a lot of stories >> showed up. >> Okay. >> There's a lot of stories, >> but there's nobody >> stepping up to the plate.

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>> All right. Uh Mark, anything? >> I think Swiss admitted. >> No, no, no, no. He's ded any any knowledge of >> I have nothing new there. >> All right. Good. Yeah. Dave, anything you want to add on reservations? >> No. >> No. Okay. Peter, Peter, yeah, you've been really busy with a lot of stuff. So, let us

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>> I'm I'm just going to read through a list and stop me if anyone wants more information. >> You've been copying me. You've been copying me on a lot of stuff. So, you're very busy. >> Well, John, if there's a lot going on, it's not going to be short. >> Well, there's not a lot going on. I can't

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>> All right. Well, listen. >> I encourage him, John. >> Listen. And in five minutes, >> hey, Dave, I can put buttons. Peter, you've got the floor. >> Maybe

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>> he's got the floor. >> Uh question for the commission at Thanksgiving Forest. Uh our uh land steward, this has been in the works for a while, but there's been a conversation about removing the vertical wooden posts that separate the small parking area

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from the pollinator garden. And our neighborhood team would like to plant native shrubs there. So unless anyone has an objection, I'll ask DPW if they can do that. >> Is that where they like telephone pole pieces? >> The reason we put them up years ago is

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cuz too many people were driving in there. >> Well, the idea >> using as a parking lot. >> No, I understand. The idea is to have talish shrubs there. >> All good. Okay. >> No objections. >> Uh big event uh at Sunny Meadow and Thanksgiving Forest on June 24th. the

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bee people, >> the bee people >> are coming to visit. >> Uh, and uh, Jeff's continued to do a fair amount of trail maintenance and whatnot out there. Warren Paul. Um, wanted to thank Steve Mat and Bill Dowling. They've been keeping the trails

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mowed, few down trees and limbs. Uh, Steve smoothed out the road. It had a couple of bumps in it and he's manufactured a device he calls a land plane. You'll probably hear more about that later. It seems to work well. Uh there is a cleared area about half an

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acre that was cleared last year with an idea. You were involved in this to see what what grows back. Um there are some flowers there along with our some of our invasive friends. Uh and the question is

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do we want to put a picnic area up where the uh Warren family refers to it as their camp? And my thought is uh we're working with Dave Sperry and the scouts to look at a few sites to see if they want some place to camp and let's figure out if they want to do that and should

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be easy enough to do a picnic table. And then there's the invasive stuff going on that that David can fill us in. Cranberry bog. Um went to a meeting last night in Carile. There were 50 people there. Uh they brought in a expert in restoring cranberry bogs.

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>> Really? >> I thought that was all done with. So they they're still looking at babies, huh? >> No. And I was asked a few times what Chumsford's view is of what they were talking about. >> I don't think we know what they're doing. >> Well, yeah. I think the upshot, two

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things. The upshot is uh Sylvia Willard, who we've known over the years, suggested that we have our two commissions meet once or twice a year >> to talk about cranberry bog. So that'd be a way to plug in David on what they're doing. Um the the big issue I

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think or a big question for Chford is whether any work they might do would affect the water level >> of our pond, >> right? >> And so long story short, I think where way direction Carlile seems to be going is try to seek some grants to restore

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the wetlands and the natural system. And if that's the case, there'd be a lot of engineering studies and hydraology studies. And we need to be sure that we understand if that's going to affect our pond water level or not. >> It will. >> I am not so sure about that. Actually,

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>> the upper pond was created was man-made. >> The elevation of the uh discharge of the upper pond, not where the dam is, but the other side. >> That elevation on the contour map is exactly the same as the elevation of the dam they're talking about removing. And

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there are two at least two on the aerial aerial photo beaver dams that are also daming that area. So it's to me it's not quite that simple. Um but anyway the point is that's our that's our interest. >> I don't think they know what they want to do.

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>> They don't have a a concrete plan. >> They have a lot of opinions because they got a lot of smart people. >> Yeah. So anyway, it's an interesting group and uh wanted to pass that on. Was this a was this a subcommittee or was this the conservation commission? >> It was actually the sustainability

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committee sponsored a um uh expert that has been renovating cranberry bogs in Massachusetts. >> That's interesting. >> You know, I I want to say something. North Country's having an auction and they're selling a gentleman farmer's

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cranberry equipment. Carile should buy that. I would suggest you get touch with North Country. >> I don't think there's enough people that want to run that as a cranberry bog. Again, >> it's a gentleman's farmer. >> He's a cranberry boy farmer.

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>> It would have been cheaper to pay Mark Duffy 15 grand a year to keep that cranberry bog going than what they've spent so far. >> I know all about cranberry boys. >> Duly noted. >> Good. I'm glad they're talking and I'm glad they're asking our opinion. So, let

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me keep going. >> Glad you were there. I'm glad you were there, too. >> Let me keep going because because, you know, there might be something of of interest to you, John. >> Uh, the other big thing at Cranberry Bog is at at David Coon's suggestion, we have a a couple of our volunteers are

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meeting with Sudbury Valley Trust at Cranberry Bog on June 24th to kick off what they call the weed warrior program, which is a invasive removal, >> right, >> volunteer program that David has done in his town. So he knows more about it than

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I do. >> But uh the idea is with some experts uh get started on another uh invasive removal project. So that's I don't know five, six, seven little piloty things. And the idea is uh kick it up a notch

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over the next year. Uh finally, right forest. Um we're working on redoing the tree map. And I want to just mention Amy Verier um is our land steward and she mentioned >> right reservation. >> Yeah. Right. He doesn't really want to do that anymore. >> Uh so let's keep that in mind.

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>> You're aware of the trust money that's available. >> Yeah. >> 50 grand. >> Thought it was 20, but >> No, it was 20 when it was set up. That was 70 years ago. No money's been ever taken out of it. And the accumulated interest unless somebody's been dipping into it.

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>> There's been a little taken out of it for um the boardwalk. >> And the trust Yeah, I think you're probably right. The trust agreement says if there are no need uses or needs at right of reservation, it can be used for other conservation within Chelsea. You

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got to read the trust back 1920 something. >> Yeah. >> Anyhow, there's money there if you need it for right reservation. That's the point. >> Yeah. Well, there has been talk about uh making a more formal connector between Wright and Warren Pole and you you're

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you're you're working on that or at least thinking about it. So, um, okay, I'm done. >> Good. Well, thanks, Peter. >> Thank you. >> So, ju just, um, when when Bill when Bill was talking about Oakill, uh, I I

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remembered that, uh, I've also received a, um, an email about some trees down at an unnamed conservation parcel off of Barry Road. And I spoke to Carl about that, and he said I should speak with

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you, Dave, and Steve Mayot. that you you had done some work up there in the not too distant past. So I so I'll I'll forward you the uh the it's actually so through C3 click I'll forward you that um and then um hopefully that's

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something you and Steve can address. >> Okay. >> Um thank you. Um, so I just I just want to say uh at Warren Pole that uh the consultant from Oxbow was to have gone out last Thursday, June 4th to uh to

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start the the blue stripe beetle project to survey for the Beatles and then release them. Uh >> did you buy your Beatles? >> Weren't you going to buy some Beatles? >> I took care of it. >> Oh. >> Um I So I assume he did that. I assume he did that. Uh I haven't heard from

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him. I haven't had a chance to ask him. Um but I but I will ask him um you know if how that went off. >> Good. >> Um so yeah. So that looks like that project's starting in any case. >> Um and also starting to plan for a next

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round of herbicide treatment there this uh this this year just continuing what was done last year. So, at at some point in the not too distant future, I I will be meeting with um the president of Oxbow, Scott SM, who did a lot of the treatment work last year to come up with

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a plan for this year. >> So, I'll I'll let you know. Yeah. >> And are I don't know if you're chatting with Dave Sperry, but Dave and Bill Dling have been keeping an eye on what's growing out there. >> Okay, good. >> There's some firsthand knowledge that might help. >> Okay. Well, Scott's Scott's really first

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question was, "Well, how do things look where we treated last year?" I don't know if that's something you can answer, >> but Dave has a good answer. >> Okay. Um, but, uh, that's that's that update. >> Good. Excellent. Good. Uh, anything else

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under um conservation sites that we want to talk about? >> I I just got a question for David. >> Yeah, sure. >> Oh, okay. >> Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. any updates on uh Newfield uh not Newfield Lake uh Freeman Freeman Lake on

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spraying or they have it are they start Yes. So um and and I guess I should apologize for not um keeping everyone in the loop. So so there's the the the first treatment is scheduled for June 25th there right now. there's there's

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still some preliminary things that they have to do um that's required under the superseding order of conditions like doing some mailings um and and if and if that right now they're waiting for a new abutters list from the assessor if if

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that's delayed a little bit then I guess the the June 25th date will slip. Um but that's the schedule. Uh they've done they've done the preseason survey. Um they still they they still need to come up with the annual work plan. Um and uh

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and I and I can forward that information to commission members if you're interested. >> I thought the first application was timesensitive. >> It it's more timesensitive than later on in the year. Yes. >> It's the same process as hot pawns

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getting to. >> Yeah. Yeah. Basically. >> So >> the same herbicide. >> Uh don't don't know yet. That's that's that's that's part of what's what's going to be in the actual treatment plan, which which they're supposed to

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let me know about um you know, no no later than 48 hours between before the treatment, you know, exactly what herbicides they're going to be using and exactly where they're going to be treating. Well, yeah, that was the other big question because the original proposal three years ago was to do the

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whole lake at once and I personally am not sure that's the best practice. >> Yeah. No, I I don't think that's the plan. >> So, you're going to attack a problem area first. >> Yeah. And I and I think it'll be I think it'll be more or less based on the survey the the the initial ser uh season

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survey which was finished on May 21st. >> So, but we'll have to wait a while longer. I know I know DPW staff engineers have spent a lot of effort on this time on this. >> Oh, yeah. >> Trying to do it do it the right way. >> No, good question. Good question.

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>> Yeah, because somebody I asked somebody they live up there and they said nothing's been done. So, I just want >> Yeah, I I know I get questions from some of the abutters up there on a regular basis like what's happening. >> Uh I'll I'll forward you the information. >> Good. And then and then the other half

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the other half of that by the way is uh my understanding was that DPW long range was looking at taking a hard look at the diversion canal because what the study concluded is that a big part of the problem is too much phosphorus in

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the lake and and a lot of that comes from Stony Brook diversion >> canal >> 70% of it from that canal. I don't know if that's still on the books, but we can keep an eye open. >> Good. All right. Uh, anything else under

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land management sites issues? No. All right. Good. All right. So, then moving on to our agents report. >> Um, >> I think that was pretty much it. >> Okay. Oh, good. Thanks. Good.

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>> Good. All right. Um, we have do we have any certificates of compliance assigned today? >> Yes. So, uh, certific certificate of compliance 129-0602. So, that's uh that's an old um order of conditions for one Smith Street, which

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we're currently um hearing right now. Um, so I I I I highly recommend that they get this old order of conditions, you know, off the books. Uh, turn turns out that the work was never done. So this so this uh is going to check the

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box uh invalid order of conditions. >> Okay. >> So I just need a just need >> move. >> All right. Moved by Dave sign and seconded by um >> second >> Peter. Good and then we all those in favor. >> I post >> and abstension from Mr. G.

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>> That was before you lived there. >> Before I was born. >> That was built in like the late 50s, wasn't it? >> Yeah. >> Born. Huh. Wow. >> All right. Um, so we'll sign that paper as it works its way down. >> Yes. And then just the next one, partial

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certificate of compliance 129-09699 Jesse Road. Uh, that that's a group home edition. People recall. So, um, that's uh, uh, every that the building's been done, the walkways have done. Um, the

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the the grass the grass has been planted. not really growing that well yet. There were some other plantings that were done, three shrub plantings. >> So, um I I they're looking for their their their CO right now, >> but now now the building department has

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a policy where they're not going to issue CO until I sign off on them. >> Yeah. So, uh, so I said, um, get get, um, a request for a certificate of compliance in that I recommend the commission issue a partial >> partial >> for every everything done except that,

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you know, the grass is not fully established and growing vigorously and I'll sign off on the CO. So, >> what what's the advantage to giving him a partial on that? Is he looking to refinance or something? >> Nine, Jesse. Well, it's so so that I

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think it's from the commission's perspective that it's not not another one of those situations where, you know, they get their CO, they go away, we never hear from them again, and then and then um you know, years down the road, you know,

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I or my successor gets gets a know, oh, we're closing on this property in two days. We need the certificate of compliance. There have been some I'm not going to go into the details now, but there has been some real nightmares that I've had to go through recently for that reason. So, um, again, with the with the

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building department's help, you know, trying trying to get at least the process started while at the same time not preventing people from moving in to their houses or being able to use their additions. So, so I think I think this is this is sort of a good compromise

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approach. They'll get a partial, >> right? And so that lease will be on the books. And uh you know the the consultant has assured me that you know now they're not going to forget about it that you know they they will um you know

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follow this through to the full certificate of compliance. >> Oh that was my question was going to be. Does it make it harder to make a full compliance later down the road? Is it get in the bushes? Nobody's going to find it. um you know that's that's always possible but u but at least at

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least um I I think that uh if if that happens which again I'm trying to do everything to stop it that at least the partial is there you know it's it it's documented right in in the partial you know this is what needs to be done for the for the full certificate of

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compliance um and um so that makes it at least a little bit easier you know it doesn't it doesn't go it go away completely. And and again the the um the consultant has promised me that the you know the contractor may

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maybe the contractor has some financing you know that's dependent on this as well. The contractor or the owner >> okay thanks >> that helps that sounds like a good compromise. Yeah. Uh, all right. So, do we have a motion then to uh to issue the

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partial CLC for nine Jesse Road? >> All right. Mark on the motion. >> Second. >> Peter on the second. Any discussion? >> All those in favor? I oppose. Unanimous. All right. Very good. >> So, I think we will be seeing more requests for certificates of compliance for some of the more recent projects.

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>> I hope so. >> Yeah, because I am I I am really pushing that. >> Good. >> I'm really pushing that. >> So, I'm I'm sending around three signature pages. One is the order of conditions for um 17 Westford Road and the two certificates of compliance.

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>> Right. Good. So, we'll sign those. Um and then under uh meeting minutes, how we doing on those? >> Still kicking. >> You're working on them. Okay. >> Unfortunately, >> she to do on her vacation. >> Well, now the town

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>> vacation I took in four years. >> Four years. >> Only five days. >> Nice. >> Was it worth it? and Sunday. >> Was it worth it? >> I got back to work on Monday. No. >> You think I've been gone two years?

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>> All right. Well, um, let's have a motion to adjurnn then. >> So, make a motion. >> All right. Mark on the motion, Dave on the second. All those in favor? I. Any opposed? Unanimous. This meeting is

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adjourned.