7 o'clock we'll bring this meeting to order the April 9th meeting of the Chelms Planning Board um this is um this meeting will be televised and recorded for future viewing and um first on our
agenda is the reorganization so I will take nominations so we'll start with chair i would like to nominate Chris i'll take a second i'll second that okay uh all in
favor oh well I guess is there is there anyone else who would like to recommend anyone else not in a million years okay take a vote all in favor i opposed okay unanimous auspicious start
have at it all right thanks um I will now take nominations for vice chair i'd like to nominate John Souza for vice chair i'll second are there any
nominations other nominations hearing none all in favor i opposed is unanimous okay uh nominations for clerk i'll nominate Joel for clerk is there a
second i'll second oh I'll second yeah been there any other nominations hearing none all in favor for Joel i unanimous thank you everyone and I'd like to welcome um also SHA and uh Joel
Anita and Marcy um back to the board as well all right um so the first item on the agenda is public input um public input shall be limited to statements from the public relating to issues within our jurisdiction of the planning
board and not the current subject of pending public hearing um is there anyone from the public who wishes to speak evening folks nancy 65 Littleton Road um I'd like to talk a bit about the lessons
learned on the Gristill project and that it is not a public hearing um this is my chance to this is the only platform I've got um so I was on the board at the time that both the first and second
uh projects were approved the second being the minor modification that uh significantly reduced the size of the of the uh building and uh changed its its looks
um but what I wanted to talk about is the the bridge over the the stream and how it got in there and why it was different than anything else that would be processed
why it was a non-standard process and as we all know when we have a process and we follow it things usually go pretty well and when we do something that is outside that process if we don't do a lot of planning around how to compensate
things don't necessarily go so well and that's the situation with that bridge so the thing that was different about the bridge is that it did not come from the applicant it did not come from the board
it did not come from the standard uh organizations that plans are sent out to for comment it came from a another
organization another committee that was a non-standard input so it came from the um center village master plan implementation committee and it was a
request in support of their major um major update uh to the center of the uh the walking trail so the you know the brookwalk and
the whole master plan was built around developing that brookwalk so for them this bridge over the the creek was was a significant tie together for their whole conceptual plan of tying
the center together as a you know along the brooks but what was different is that all of those committees that the planning board normally sends plans to for input have licensing control of their
own so they all in some way provide permitting within the the process of building center village implementation committee had no authority for for construction none at all so other than
having an input to the plan a comment input they had nothing else and their input was we want a bridge okay well when you get comments back from
committees you and those comments want changes to the plan you simply incorporate them by reference into your final finding right [Music] and that's fine because those
organizations that normally provide inputs are doing permitting and they work out all the details of what those wants were in their permitting process but here we had no permitting process to follow it up so there was no
followup on it but it was incorporated by reference the only thing that was incorporated is put in a bridge there was no detail no drawings no no detailed drawings no nothing
and you know once the planning board approves it it goes off to all the other organizations that actually implement the building so all you're seeing is the plans that come forward you're not
involved in the building process and in this case nobody was involved because it wasn't under the opaces of a of a permitting authority
um and then the second plan came in as a minor modification because you know it was smaller it wasn't minor by any means but by definition because it was smaller it came through as a minor
modification with an entirely new developer had no knowledge of what was going on in that first plan and all they inherited was a statement in the uh in the final findings the the plan
findings to incorporate the comments from the various committees so all they got was a statement we want to bridge so I guess the lesson learned that I would recommend is way above and
beyond what we're talking about here but it goes back to what my specialty is which is quality management whenever you have a situation that is outside the standard process you need to do a whatif on it
and really think it through and put a process behind it because if if it isn't in the standard process there's nothing to make it happen there's no there's no infrastructure there to make it
happen so I would like to congratulate the newly elected members and uh go back to my Thank you thank you any other members of the public wish to speak evan
is there anyone on Zoom no Zoom tonight okay and we don't have any planning board members on Zoom tonight so we're fully in person we have no Zoom at all on tonight no what we've started is it's on the top of the agenda here um the
posted agenda says if you're interested in um the Zoom component to email me at least two hours prior to the beginning of the meeting oh no more Zoom bombing no one emailed all right either here or watching at home
so the next item on our agenda is uh four plet drive endorsement of myars so I believe all we need is a motion to endorse correct so moved motion by Mike is there second
second second by Anita all in favor of endorsing the myars i I I unanimous okay thank you next up on the agenda 265 Chilstford Street informal conceptual discussion
good evening i almost I was planning to say Madame Chair but Mr chair members of the board Evan Balansky for the record my name is Philip Billopoulos i'm an attorney here in Chumsford with offices at 9 North Road and uh I'm here tonight
on behalf of Win Stanley Enterprises the new owner of 265 and 279 Chumsa Street known to all of us as the the Chumsford Mall i'm joined tonight by Adam Win Stanley who's the principal of Win Stanley Enterprises also um our project
team Katie Enright and Matthew Baker with Howard Stein Hudson i want to thank the board for letting us come in tonight on an informal basis talk a little bit about what we have planned for this project
um for those of you who are relatively new um I I wanted to have Adam come and just introduce himself because you know he first came into the scene in Chsford back in 2013 when he acquired the old
Stop and Shop Marshall's Plaza uh if many of you remember that plaza was a plaza that had sat dormant for over a decade and um Adam had a vision put that property back to life uh and it's really a nice vibrant mall um and that was
something that was part of the town's master plan to that that particular site in general was referenced in the master plan as a as a way to help be a catalyst for economic development in the center as well as 11 cushion uh place uh that
was identified in the master plan for housing again as a way to bring housing to the center of town to support the businesses and act as a catalyst for um the center development and since those two projects you've seen that catalyst
take shape you've seen the Fisk House renovated and brought back to life you've seen the Oddfellows building revitalized and brought back to life you've seen uh the old mill building repurposed uh with the Milhouse Coffee
you've seen Jack Hanley's properties purchased revitalized and redeveloped so the set of town has has seen a lot of changes and there's some ongoing changes as well um so what I'd like to do is maybe for those of you who have not met Adam even though he's sort of been
around since 2013 I'd like to maybe have him come up and maybe just introduce himself to you okay uh good evening for the record my name is uh Adam Winstanley i'm a principal with the uh investment and development firm of Winstanley
Enterprises um my company is uh is a super regional um familyowned and operated investment and development company um I founded the company with my uh father in uh 1990 and I've been in the real estate
business for 35 years and our company owns and operates about 15 million square feet of commercial space in seven or eight different states um Chelmsford H has always been u you know a very important part of our
investment strategy um I really like this town a lot and I've been uh a careful kind of long-term owner in this community uh the Chelmsford Town Center project uh was first uh brought to me um as a redevelopment opportunity by my
client which was Stop and Shop and we decided to tackle that project and and uh redevelop it uh into like a higherend kind of boutique kind of lifestyle type center uh we do we do have a new anchor
restaurant that's that's coming which is uh the smoke shop barbecue and uh we have a new tenant to replace um Dunkin Donuts which is which is pliables so um the center really has been fully leased since we've owned it um and I had two
tenants that didn't renew their leases and we were able to find really good tenants to come in and uh uh both of those tenants will be opening up in uh mid to late May um the the Grismill condominium project um I joint ventured that with uh Kate's
Development and uh the town at the time was was looking to get more housing in the downtown and and uh we got uh that property under contract and completed that i think that was in the 2017 2018
time frame and I've been uh looking for a long time for another project and um we had an opportunity to buy the Chumsford Mall from the Kerry family whose um second generation has owned it since
1973 um our company uh does not sell real estate very often we are long-term owners and redevelopers and um I think it's a great um I think it's a great property um our goal is to really just try and and
figure out how to make it maybe a little bit better than it is today um our phase one of improvements that we're uh contemplating is to uh we're going to repaint the uh all of the buildings um the crown molding on the center is going
to have an offset color uh we're going to upset we're going to um we're also going to make a series of other improvements i'm going to let Katie and Matt talk further about tonight uh but they're modest in nature and um they're
more uh we'd like to develop uh the two out parcels and improve the landscaping and the pedestrian access to the center uh other than that it's it's been fully leased uh for a long time for any of you that don't know uh which I found out
after we got the property under contract the property actually has the number one coals uh by sales uh in Massachusetts uh on the property so I think that that's um you know it's a good testament to the vibrancy of the property uh it also has
the number one PetSmart in Massachusetts and so um you know we have we have a lot of um retail properties in a number of different states i've never had two number one stores on a on a property before so I I just wanted people to know
that that you know it does generate good traffic and I think it's a good property and my my goal is to continue to invest in it and try and uh make sure that it's uh you know a better property to the extent that we can uh improve it on an
as needed basis so that's that's pretty much it um thank you very much all right excuse me good evening everyone i'm Katie Enright um project engineer with Howard Stein Hudson um as
Philip and Adam stated um we are looking at a redevelopment opportunity um this is an existing conditions plan that you have up on the screen today i'm sure most of you are familiar um with the mall itself i know I've been a frequent frequent shopper for a very very long
time so when Adam reached out to us to talk about the improvements that we were he was looking to make here um one of the first things I said is can we really work to incorporate um some pedestrian improvements and are there some improvements we could make to some of the site circulation that's out there
today um so the property itself um consists of 265 and 279 Chumsford Street and then it's also 20 Manahan 3 Katrina and another parcel on Katrina also so the whole parcel is almost 22 acres it actually spans the Bruce Freeman rail
trail to the other side and encompasses two parcels on Katrina um the site is in the shopping center district which there's not a lot of those in Chsburg there's a large one in this in this area um the shopping center district is essentially um a large commercial
district obviously you see where stop and shop is and market basket is um it's it's was created in your definition to allow the clustering of stores um in a hightraic areas on major roads so certainly here we're on Chumstard Street Route 110 um we're at a signalized
intersection for this the main entrance to this plaza um so if you pull to the next sheet Evan that would be helpful um the proposal really took us to looking at what feels like the two pad sites
we're calling them out front you panned a little bit too far there we go essentially those two areas out at the top of the parcel where you see I don't know a lot of sort of it seems like there's sort of a parking agreement there's random vehicles parked there all
the time it's not people going to the mall um it's usually people just using it as sort of a drop off space pickup space or to store vehicles in the interrum and there are these two upper levels um those were created um not that long ago i found the decision for it you
can see from the existing condition there's some bark mulch areas where the gray drops between parking tears but they've re really been underutilized um and they're not very nice to look at um it's essentially when you drive by the frontage of this parcel
you see a sea of pavement before you see the building and that's because there's over a thousand parking spaces there which is certainly a lot as you know from some of the projects we've done in town so the idea would be to to really bring some economic development and
really bring some vibrancy to the street and being on Route 110 Chertford Street a major major traffic generator the plaza and actually this area is significantly missing food um and so what Winston Stanley Enterprises would like to do is develop those two as
essentially pad sites so those two um upper tier parking lots we're looking at two fast casual restaurants with drive-throughs um the one that I have on the left is adjacent to um Xander Credit Union um
that's a single parcel that's in a CD district which is strange spot zone CD um as you come around Manahan there's um some duplexes along Manahan it's the RC residence district as you kind of come around to the back as you get on to
Katrina you're in the industrial district and then you're coming back around to the CC district on the east across the street though you have an RB district so um the Westlands area is right across the street from us is there's a three family and then there's a couple of duplexes and then there's a
multif family sort of tucked into that U um that's in white within the property um we're also in an aquifer protection district that line crosses through the property um you can see there um and we're also if if we wanted to utilize we're in the CIOD so the community
investment or enhancement investment overlay district um so what we're here tonight for is really before moving forward with this project the significant amount of engineering is to get some feedback from you what we did with the parking lot here um in the main
parking area I forgot to get to that is we really kind of looked at starting from the outside and coming in getting rid of some of the inefficiencies within that parking lot if you've ever driven in there there's a significant amount of pavement that seems sort of unnecessary um so what we did was we
really started sort of at the outer limits and worked our way in the reason we started at the outer limits and worked our way in is because if you've ever come into the plaza whether you're a gym member or you're there to go to Kohl's typically that first aisle of parking you can come in from both
directions so there's an aisle on both sides so there's cars always sort of fighting for parking from both directions there's no curb there there's no landscaping and there's absolutely no way to get people through the parking lot from the mall to Chumsford Street
there's no pedestrian connectivity so one of the things we tried to look at was working ourselves outside in was is there enough inefficiencies in the parking lot where we could pick up a landscape island and pick up an area to do pedestrian connectivity and sort of fix what's going on especially as you
get to the bottom of the hill and are able to branch off left and right to both sides of the plaza so if I can come and we're not on TV so might be a little bit easier if I come to here so in the existing condition it might be too hard to pan back so you're on TV just not on
Zoom oh okay that's that's right i'm sorry can I have your mic a little closer to your laptop oh oh there's one in front of me okay i don't have to do that anymore all set up yeah okay so to signalize intersection here when you come in both of these drive-thru fast
casual restaurants would be off that already signalized intersection so we would come in wrap around and come out on both areas and then as you get to the bottom of the hill there's a big open area where nobody knows where to go so what we really looked at doing here
is thinning it up to 24 ft wide so it's two-way traffic and creating there's no landscaping on either side of this aisle right now creating endcaps on the coal side and creating this connectivity from basically the restaurants to the front of the building what that does is it
really connects Chumsert Street down to the mall building it all also connects the mall to the restaurants and then also really does a nice job of providing um vehicular essentially organization especially around these parking spaces
here as you're coming into the aisles in front of poles and as you're taking this right turn as most people do to get parking for the best fitness um and coming into the PetSmart Michaels Staples area the plaza one of the things
we also noticed kind of doing this reorganization is there's just feels like too much parking um and so in looking at your bylaw and working within the special permit criteria what we'd like to do is really drop that by 20% um so to drop it
to 800 spaces which still is pretty significant as you can see here today um so this is this plan here shows just over 800 spaces which is a 20% drop um as part of this we're also looking to there's also areas around the outside
again that are kind of areas that exist that are impervious pavement today that really are unnecessary so we would take off about 28,000 square feet of pavement it's pretty significant amount of pavement to come away certainly help with infiltration and we can look at
those areas too to see if there's a way to add some storm water features maybe in the future as we continue to do some planning um this project would need to go through certainly site plan approval um we would need special permits for the fast food fast casual use with
drive-throughs um both of those we could just do site plan review with that those special permits um we could also talk about going through CIOD certainly either way would sort of get us I think to the same point
um we haven't fully designed these plans it's a significant effort both monetarily and timewise to do that um and certainly with the new faces on the board um and some of the old faces on the board we thought it was a good idea to come here first before we start
diving into detail understanding that the next phase would be full sight plan full traffic study looking at the entire corridor of Chsford Street you know probably from 495 or Steman Street to the ramp or at least until in front of
Market Basket and Stop where that light is on one look at the timing of the light does the timing of the light need to change because of these two restaurants um significant landscaping like if you drive by here now there's some pretty sad looking um trees out
front really looking at the landscaping along the front of both of these properties um creating patio seating at both of the restaurants to allow for people to be outside and sort of activate that space instead of just being big open paved areas
um so we're here tonight to really just have a conversation with you before we move forward with this significant effort to put all the details on paper um understanding that there are special permits we want to hear from you as to certainly what you would like to see
in the future if I haven't covered it as far as details for the plan if you're absolutely against it in any way shape or form we would love to know that tonight so that we just don't waste any more effort but if you feel like you something that the board could support in the future certainly we're looking to
make that effort and come back to you with all of our um eyes dotted and tees crossed with all the engineering and traffic information and architecture that you would need to approve this project um so with that um I'd love to hear from
you thank you um before we get to the board Evan I know this went to the various departments um is there any input concerns feedback there was no uh well John uh Souza was there as well i don't recall any major uh red flags okay
obviously departments um uh indicated that they would be uh doing the full technical review yeah um you know as as uh as appropriate okay thanks all right um we'll take it around the board um if there are any questions
concerns um like Katie mentioned it'd also be good to mention if this is a concept that you would support as well um so we'll start with Mike sure um all in all uh I'm relatively favorable to it
i recognize that the one area of problem here or at least that is going to have to be thought about a lot is uh is the two restaurants on front on the front and particular drive-thru um we'll have to chew on that a bit uh I think that's
going to depend to some degree on on the details of uh uh of uh just the landscaping and and such as that i will say that what's there now isn't particularly pretty to look at
so but in in general I'm in favor okay thanks John yeah I think looking at it and from what I heard um at the preliminary meeting I mean I think I applaud the efforts to try to improve the site um I think it you know it is an
older mall going back to the early '7s um I I think um the probably the thing similar to what Mike mentioned we'll just have what I see us looking at is um you know when you if these are two very you know busy establishments uh we'll
just have to look at traffic flow as far as like you know I'm thinking customers coming out of either restaurant trying to take a turn or would they have to be forced to exit into the mall and then go out the other entrance just I think you could have some traffic concerns and then anything with the landscape buffer
for um recognizing that there are some folks that live you know it is albeit it's a very busy street in town but there are residences across um but I would support the in a in a rough you know in a rough um not having
all of the details I would generally be in support um one thing I was going to ask at the preliminary meeting the the property owner discussed I don't know if you're at liberty to discuss tonight about some of the the type of restaurants that the property owner or envisions possibly do you want to speak
to that um so you know one of the things that I've tried to focus on at um at Chelmsford Town Center is really trying to get the the best tenants that I can get uh that's the simple answer and um
this this last round when uh Andyo decided not to renew their lease um I met with six different restaurant entrepreneurs and spent a lot of time and effort um selecting the the smoke shop barbecue which is really kind of
chefdriven barbecue part of the reason I selected that particular restaurant is one I like barbecue and two there's not a I will admit that I'm gonna be honest about that but um there there's not a lot of it out in
the the suburbs and I I just feel like you know steakous and Italian there's just a lot of the I wanted something like different and you know when I initially put the center together I envision you know a lineup of you know unique service tenants so that's how I
kind of like that's my approach to things here um the way the world sets up right now it's really set it sets up between fast food restaurants and fast casual and fast food would would be you
know Arby's McDonald's you know Wendy's there's a new chain that's coming in New England called Raising Cane um I'm not a big fan of fast food um I would absolutely not entertain what I would call a fast food tenant now there is a
little bit of like crossover today um people would say for example that Chick-fil-A could fall into that that category but their food items and their service are healthier and better I think than the other operators and they are
considered an elite operator so I would be looking for we do have outdoor patios here and so I want to activate that space at the street i'd like to put in um river birches and really improve the
that the the sight lines along the front of the property but I'm thinking fast casual um tenants like Chipotle pressed um Press Cafe that's a new concept that's out there they're in Burlington
but cava you know things you know more in like the healthy um space where you can get healthier food options salads it could be like a chopped it could be a freestanding Panera i mean we're going to have a lot of interest uh I think
because the mall itself the property is is successful but I want to be in the upper end of that category not the low end of it and I won't sacrifice the quality on that no matter what and while you're there could you talk about like in today's mall landscape do what do you
need restaurant food to sort of complement a plaza yeah so you know one of the things that I've I've focused on in my my real estate career is is really focusing on the tenant mix within a retail center and not just taking you
know the you know certain deals because that's like the best rent but really thinking about tenant mix so I have I have a property um down in uh Fort Meyers called uh Pagefield Commons it's
a It's a larger power center and uh we had an opportunity we recaptured the the Toys R Us space and I brought in Trader Joe's and um and Ros Stores and I've been redoing that that plaza and adding more food and we just added J Crew and
I'm getting ready to add Sephora so one of the things I've focused on at our retail centers is really upgrading the tenant mix our tenant mix here is is stable here and there's good retailers here um and but we don't have any food
options and that's like the big complaint that that we hear from people when I'm like you know when I'm in you know Best Fitness and we're talking with people in the due diligence people said people are coming out and saying "Hey you know we'd love to have a food option." And there isn't like anything
immediately around here and so we're listening and um I think all of our anchor tenants are very supportive of this because good food tenants can draw more traffic it can create cross shopping opportunities and so I think
it's a good opportunity to to enhance uh the property make it better we can draw more traffic and I also like the idea of building a sidewalk from the street all the way down and improving the landscaping and we'd like to also um I'd
like to regrind and redo all the asphalt here and make a host of other improvements as well not not a lot but some things that I think would make it visually more attractive long term thank you John anything else no that's all thank
you Dearra um so I appreciate Adam um additional information about what you're looking for i I I definitely agree that getting some food there would be um helpful and also I'd like to see
the property enhanced and improved um I have one question what are the size of the two spaces that would be housing the um restaurants sure this one the one to the left I have is about just over 4,000 square feet okay and then this space is
shown as just under 2300 square feet okay and then the spaces Katie the parking spaces you said you'd be reducing by was it 2,800 20 20% so 28,000 square ft of impervious okay 28,000 square feet but we'd be going
from a little over a,000 spaces to a little over 800 spaces for the total plaza i'm sorry what to what 1100 to 800 that's about a,000 to about 800 Okay spaces for the whole plaza and would most of those spaces come from those two pad sites or would it also come from the
main area um a little bit of both okay so but most of them from the pad sites because if you look at these all of these hatched areas are areas that are paved that are coming out now um so most of the paved surf there's a lot of paved surface around here that's coming out u
paved surface and then really like there's some larger chunks over here that are coming out in here and what we'd like to use those for is you know that there's some topographical challenges at the from the front to lower you know use them for both landscape um to beautify the site and
also try to get some topographical relief in some of those areas too so yes there's a lot of parking up here that's coming out that most of it is up here because what we tried to do here was make sure we weren't really losing any spaces in the in the And would there be
enough parking up there for what the town requires for restaurants yeah but we also one of the comments that we had at our department head meeting was to make sure we connected to the lower lot oh interesting um so here it's connected to the lower lot but we also looked at connecting here to the lower lot so
we're connecting the sidewalks through we'd most likely need a stair here but again connecting through so that if this was overwhelmed or if someone didn't want to park there or wanted to you know walk to Kohl's and walk they could do that too and there's pedestrian connectivity there right
um so I guess um my two main concerns right out right out of the gate would be one traffic because as everybody knows that Tomford Street area can get extremely congested and I know that that Westlands neighborhood is very
um um appropriately proprietary of you know their continuing um residential status in on a busy street so um I'd want obviously to know more information about
that and then my other concern was I really would prefer that we not have um two national fast food chains so sounds like you've um made that a commitment Adam so I appreciate that
okay Anita um so in general I'm really excited about something going up there i think it'll be really nice for me what's really important is this is a gateway into the town so I really like how the Joan
Dark looks and I would like these buildings to look like that so for example even if a large national chain like McDonald's came here on the outside it look like a colonial house right like and that would be okay for me um but I
do appreciate that that's not what you're targeting um the other thing is you know if it does abut the Westlands so the hours just kind of what type of hours if it again I was kind of thinking when I first saw the fast food I was thinking like oh god it would be a
McDonald's 24hour like you know please no not that right because we do have the neighbors there um is there going to be is there any sidewalk on Chswood Street there is okay um yeah uh and then again like to me
it's how it looks it needs to be you know I wanted to add to you coming off of Route Three coming into Chumsford it's a gateway i think this has this area has a lot of potential to really you know bring it up you've done a you know great job in the Chsford Center and
I think we have another opportunity here so that would be you know what I would for me would be important um and then you know the landscaping making sure any light from these two fast food restaurants Um there's landscaping in front that
would limit those house like the houses across the street wouldn't be impacted by any type of lighting for these restaurants absolutely joel um I have no objection to this being brought forward as an application for site plan review and permits special
permits i'll just leave it at that okay Marcy um yeah Anita would just touch on with you and when I saw this too like one of my things was it being in the Westland and how that area looks is making sure that whatever goes there is sort of going to fit in with the neighborhood and not be as we drive continue down street in TL and you have
every other fast food joint you know there and so it it just doesn't sort of fit in the neighborhood my other biggest um concern with this and I know you said there's a traffic day that will be done with this is the traffic because um I drive Trump the street to and from work every day when I go to work I don't hit traffic sometimes if I leave 5 minutes
later I'm sitting on chumps street for quite some while so what would this do and Saturdays after I think 11:00 I don't drive street because I can sit at Steman and wait just to get up to route three and then it's for some reason you I go underneath Route 3 and it's clear
so I don't know what the block is street in Chumsford um so that was you know one of my biggest concerns if we add these fast food you know c fast casual how will that impact the traffic and and just in looking at the plans um I don't know seems like entrancing and exiting
both in the same or very close to in the same spot on the entrance in um especially for exiting out of there what type of congestion that's going to mean to for even just the mall um customers to leaving and potential backups that would be and can look at that a little
bit well and one of the things I I failed to mention that Evan mentioned during our department head meeting too was the other entrance isn't used a lot the right in right out used to be before it used to be you could come in and exit
on both sides on both sides and now it's only coming in that back because that was great for us i I mean we could look at it when we're looking at traffic certainly um but also just increasing signage and allowing people to know that it's there i know it's there especially
when I go to Staples i don't try to go out the other way but a lot of people don't know it exists so just again just adding signage and directing people that says you know exit out this way too you don't have to go to the light i think if it was spaced out better it would change
the patterns a lot too yeah and currently right now though if you leave through that second you can only take a right turn so if like if me and I got to take a left I have to go to the lights and that's where a lot of people I'm seeing are taking well our traffic engineer can look at that too i wonder if it has to do with the proximity of
how Dalton comes out at that angle too but we can we'll definitely look at that definitely look at it that got changed in what the '9s because I we before used to come in and out of that and that was great we avoided going Yeah yeah i wonder if somebody there might be a
permit somewhere where they were where they were forced to make it right and right out discussion that's too young all right well we don't have to recreate that discussion tonight so please yeah all right all right any other no okay
sera um I have a couple things um I like the idea that you want to improve the site add some green space i think that's great i'm concerned with the reduction in parking you say you have the number one Kohl's you have the number one PetSmart well what happens if you have the number two number one drive-thru fast restaurants in the area because
you're reducing it by 20% you have the overflow it's adding i mean I'm sure some people here have been here when the gym's hopping and when Kohl's is hopping that whole area is full um so that's that's one of my major concerns with that the other one is just the congestion of that upper area of having
the ins and outs that we've talked about i've been in other states other parts and areas where they have that where it tends to be a cluster because you're having people come in off the light you're trying to have people take a left a right and they're all criss-crossing each other and it gets really hard to deal with um the other third thing I
have is those parking spaces along 110 up at the top facing out it looks like they're diagonal towards the homes that are that way um ensuring that there's something up there for the light not going in in and out of their houses and that's kind of like my first just quick look at this those are some of the
things I think of yeah so I just want to say regarding the parking reduction I think that one of the things that I talk about this a lot when we talk about parking in Chsford but there's so much parking in this parking lot and the fact that people don't want to walk from the front door of Kohl's to go to the gym
and can walk from in front of Staples so I think that the problem isn't that there's not enough parking i think it's that everyone parks in front of Best Fitness and Kohl's because there's always like easily 100 park even if it was a busy place there's always easily a hundred parking spaces that are open in this lot it's just funny to me that they
won't walk like 100 feet away but totally understood and we'll look at the parking as part of our traffic study too and then we'll look at the congestion and also specifically along 110 plantings but we're also lower in that area by a couple of feet so that actually the topography difference I
think will take care of the headlights but then also we'll have plants in front of there too so but we'll make sure that we look into that yep absolutely i thought of one more thing i I would like to see um some kind of bike lane especially where you're right next
to the bike path to have you know um bike lanes somewhere in the parking lot so people can get from A to B through from the bike path to I don't know I guess Chunford Street but they want to go to a restaurant they want connection down off
of Manahan yeah that's where the main connection is I mean certainly we could add bicycle parking and we can look and because there's not bicycle parking there um but we can look at bike connection okay and we could look at
striping opportunities if one exists that would feel safe we can look at that also signage too just pointing people in the direction of the rail trail which is right there which you wouldn't probably know parking in front that it's literally right out the back door
i never go that way on the rail trail all right I've got a few questions um and just some um suggestions the screening over near the residences on Manahan um just to make sure that that's well screened um including the I noticed
there's a dumpster pad near the uh drive-thru up top on towards the residences so having those screened would be good um I had a question about the two ab budding properties um the credit
union and then the other one fue it no not fenue but the um like a little the little house it's a white house yeah the credit union side is is the property going into your space no okay nope it
looked like it was on GIS so it looked weird that turn at the the drive-thru there was very very tight yeah the drive-thru on the Xander yeah we looked at that when they redid the building to see if there was a better but we didn't we didn't design the Xander site but I
had looked at it with them at one point um but they decided not to move so no that all happens incredibly tight right up until their property line okay and then on the other side I've noticed that
that property has a driveway that's kind of an in andout type of driveway that looks like it's on your property and it looks like they'd be losing that corner yeah there is a little pavement here and I've seen cars parked there so I didn't
know if they were aware that they'd be losing that so it might be something to mention to them um in in general I'm really happy about this project i think it would be a really good um improvement to the area i
like the uh potential choices of of um tenants um again I would echo the traffic concerns um including the Dalton Road intersection that whole area if there are potential improvements that
can be made um looking at all my other and everyone else talked about the other concerns I had so I have nothing else um oh I did have a question the two pad
sites how much of a grading difference is it going to be between that and the parking lot below roughly it's about too goes from 135 to 119 from the street basically it's like 135ish in
here and it's 119 around here okay so will those two pad sites almost be at the middle of that i don't know yet okay we're gonna work on that tourist right so it'll probably come down a little bit from the street but these want to feel
like they're at the street level obviously and then we're going to have to do some creative walls and landscaping between and kind of looking at our drive-thru areas and parking and all of that so we haven't gone that far so that's a significant difference
there's a drop yes yes okay all right any other questions comments so do you feel like you have a pretty good idea from the board i think so and we we really appreciate the time and effort that you've put into this tonight
to help us move this forward so thank you very much okay thank you thank you thank you have a good night congratulations to the new reorganization all right next up on the agenda 191 195 Riverneck Road informal conceptual
discussion good evening um Mr chairman members of the board uh Douglas Duchaine from uh FIRE and Nicholson here this evening representing uh Dphano Properties LLC um my clients um have a uh are under
agreement to purchase the properties at 191 and 195 uh Riverneck Road um 191 being and Katie will give you the details in a minute but approximately 5 acres in size uh and 195 being a much smaller lot uh that
currently has a residential structure on it uh it's the intention of our clients to merge the two properties and develop them as one um so I'd like to thank you for the opportunity to come in here and again as the previous um hearing to give
you a uh an understanding of what my clients are looking to do and the kinds of conceptual drawings that uh Katie and Howard Stein Hudson have uh have been working on uh it will be our intention
to bring forth uh a project uh for the required permits but again uh always helpful to come in have an informal meeting get some feedback from you of what you like or perhaps don't like so that when we go back to the drawing
board we can uh try and address those those concerns or or your suggestions um prior to filing and prior to doing a final design so with that um I'm going to turn things back over to Katie and she'll give you an overview of the
proposed project thank you all right good evening everyone again Katie Enright with Howard Stein Hudson um again as Doug stated um we're here looking at 191 and 195 Riverneck Road um
our clients Commonwealth Construction and Utilities have been in a very long painful process to purchase this property over the last year um or to get a purchase and sale together um luckily we were able to start kind of looking at
the site and addressing the site i want to start before sort of I jump into the design um as you probably know I was here most nights listening when the previous application was before you for the entirety of the properties um I wasn't on that team but I very intently
listened to what the board and the neighborhood had to say as part of that process um I want to also mention that we've already received our certified abutters list and we're going to be augmenting that to make sure that um our residential abuters are notified and we're going to have a meeting
anformational meeting here at the town hall to discuss the project and hear their concerns as soon as we've we're through with this meeting if we get um some good information tonight so in looking at this project the project
wants to be a contractor's yard and an outdoor contractor's yard meaning that not everything is going to be put inside of a structure there is some stuff that needs to be put out on the lot um Commonwealth right now um lives on Progress A um but they bought this site
to not only be the future of their business that they have in Chsford today but also to allow other smaller like businesses and um contractors to have a place to go um so one of the things that
we looked at was essentially creating a contractor's building but we wanted to be very cognizant of the fact that even though this is an IA district and an IIA area that there are significant residential neighborhoods nearby um so what we
really looked at was how to buffer them from the use prepare something that would be in scope and scale sort of fitting with the neighborhood and sort of hide all the
stuff in the back so that things weren't being seen and it wouldn't look like a contractor's yard when you were to drive by this project site so what we looked at specifically was taking the building and creating an area in front of the building which would essentially be a
onestory structure from the street yes it would be long we're looking at dividing it up into bays having a small row of parking along the front of the buildings significantly set back from Riverneck Road the smaller two-unit building is where the existing single family house is um is 40 ft off but the
main structure is 80 ft off the road um and we're creating a landscape buffer a parking aisle the parking is facing in towards the site that would be sort of a front door to maybe a mezzanine office and I'm saying mezzanine because as you come around the back of the building we
drop down about 10 ft in elevation so you would drop down around the back of the building and the back of the building is where you wouldn't see essentially a high bay door um and so the thought is is that from the street you would be looking at a
onestory business that would appear to be an office essentially um with cars parked again facing inward right across the street from these parcels are the Apollo Drive area which is parking um then there's a business right across the street from these
parcels because these are all the way to the east of the original sort of larger land mass um there's a business and a ranchstyle house with parking in front and parking in back and then it used to be I don't know if it's still
environmental pools is right next door to there then there's another business to the east of us there's the office buildings that still exist that were were previously Mercury and then we've got the on-ramp from 3 to 495 behind us
um so what we really looked at was how we could protect sort of everyone sort of around the area from this use by doing that so as you come around the back of the building there would be fences security fences because we don't
really want people hanging out in the back of the building this is for the business uses so they would key in go around back the bay doors would be facing the back of the property so say a I mean these are like plumbers and electricians and you know the people that come and do maintenance at each and
every one of our homes and stuff like that so that would all be hidden behind and then there would be a second floor that would be the office that would face the front even though it would feel like the first floor from Riverneck Road so the grade would drop down below and then sort of the second phase that we would
get approved at the same time would be Commonwealth Utilities so the building at the back which is hundreds of feet away now from the street I think I wrote it down would be um their business and the idea there would be to
have a two-story office in the front and again a high bay garage in the back and then the the equipment storage would be essentially hundreds of feet from the street so all back here these bays here so we've given each of the 13 units that
are here a little storage area out behind the building so if they had something they wanted to stack outside say it's a tile person they want to stack their packages of tile on a pallet or something they could do that but again completely screened by the building um and significantly set back
from the road because this is already 80 feet here and that's 60 foot wide building so significant area here a 40ft aisle to be able to allow like a box truck or something to back into the building coming into that second area this is basically
Commonwealth so garage bay twotory office this is their little parking lot for employees to come in and out that would be working in the office and then this would be their equipment that they have so excavators trailers they do have storage space for materials we're
talking about sands and gravels that they use when they put in they basically put pipes in the ground um products here and then the back here where we have gravel is really just for things like trench boxes and and and pipes so stuff that wouldn't have anything that could
leak out of them would be put in the back things that you wouldn't want to have on pavement you wouldn't want a huge trench box put on a piece of pavement it would just kill it um what we've looked at is complete circulation so we have fire lane that goes all the way around the property
that comes out here again it's all fenced this little structure over here has its own little parking area no outside storage each of these buildings we have a proposed dumpster pad um here here and here
again looking at it from the standpoint that it's in an IIA district but being very cognizant in the design and understanding what the sort of the concerns are going to be relative to noise traffic um there's only 60 spice
spaces on this property um Commonwealth utilities were showing parking their vehicle they are not making money if their vehicles are on site so they are on another site they only come back here to be stored when they're not being used
[Music] um full site plan approval we would need we would need site plan approval we wouldn't be looking to go under CIOD or BE BOD site plan approval with special permits for major business complex
because we're over 20,000 square feet um we are in the aquifer protection district we are in a zone two um so both of those and outdoor contractor's yard would also require a special permit the site design would be fully compliant
obviously we would be looking at it traffic as far as what we would produce for this project but again we're thinking of 13 independent small contractors the guy that has you know two electric vans coming to the site
going out coming back so a small amount of traffic smaller vehicles there's larger vehicles back here but we're not talking trash trucks in and out every day um and again the equipment is
supposed to be on site if they're making money which is where they want it to be um good traffic circulation etc so we would be in obviously with a full-sight plan um an understanding of what the traffic numbers would be for use like this i
know there was a traffic study recently done for the larger project so we have some baseline data that we could look at um significant landscaping again what you would see from the street most of the majority of the building is 80 feet back and it would look like a one-story office from the
street then you would drop down back i think it's the camera i think it's the camera moving maybe behind you i know it's a weird like mechanical noise i don't know um here
um again the the grade cons cons just keeps dropping all the way until till elevation i believe it's 109 at the back I believe up here i wrote it down um but it's a pretty significant drop again from front to
back um Katie 125 126 yeah it's 126 at the road goes to 116 around the back it goes about 126 here it goes to 116 here and then it goes all the way down to 109 as you get towards the highway um so we did
have as part of the previous application it looked like wetlands had been reviewed and peer reviewed um there was found to be no resource areas on this lot so we wouldn't be within a buffer zone um but we would need obviously a groundwater protection zone hearing with
the board of health um and again like I said an aquaer protection district permit um from this board along with major business complex and also the outdoor contractor's yard um again full landscaping compliant lighting compliant storm water we went out and did soil
testing this week the sand up there it's it's all beautiful sand um so a high infiltration rate we have water table elevations around 9 or 10 feet at the front of the lot down to four or five four to five at the back of the lot so we have some good information there as
to how we can grade the site and how we would look at draining it thinking about it from the beginning we're looking at again trying to mimic what's there today as far as it's it's an undeveloped area spreading out the infiltration throughout the three tiers to spread out the water over the entirety of the site
um doing everything that would go into a site plan so again we're here tonight to get some feedback from you we know this was this property was part of a very intense process and we know we are going
to be as I said with with with Doug and his team um to not only notify people that are within our radius but also we're going to look at everybody on McFarland Mammoth and Clark um all the way to the end regardless notify them to come to here to the town hall meet with
us at a date specific time and place talk about the plans talk about the concerns um prior to submitting any sort of site plan to this board we haven't started the architecture yet we have no architecture as of yet this is just what we're starting to think about so again a
lot of information that you'll still to receive but we wanted to again this is a significant engineering effort and design effort we want to hear from you um prior to moving forward so I'm here tonight obviously the Dano family is
here with me tonight um dad and brothers and um certainly we'd be happy to answer any questions that you might have okay thank you Evan anything from the department meeting uh
again I don't recall any uh specific red flags um I think the uh the takeaway here was about the um uh the wastewater flows um and I believe it's a um likely
some sort of purchasing of um of some capacity but limited capacity okay uh I would also just mention um this is very similar at least the the front building is very similar to what you see on GNAV you may want to take a look at GNAV over
the next couple of weeks get a sense as to uh what kinds of businesses are there what kind of trucks they use um that particular one was not approved for any outdoor storage you'll likely see some miscellaneous outdoor
storage um but that will also likely give you a good sense as to what a what an industrial building with some um kind of residential com uh compatibility from a street would would look like okay
so just with that one I just want to caution you because I did that one too a very long time ago but it's two stories from the front there's no grade so it doesn't disappear um it's two stories office from the front at the end of GNAV so it's right behind the self storage um
and the back property line is the dump so um the building kind of kind of goes around and the bay doors face the dump well the old dump i was just mentioning because this kind of facility already exists in Chumsford so you'll get a a good sense
as to again what kind of businesses are there the scope and scale the type of trucks and it seems similar to the beehive proposal except with the residential right probably similar types of businesses yep the trades right yeah
there's a smaller one too down the street um it's uh David Vale and Mike Capoli right have one down the street that I did on Riverneck Road some years ago too a smaller facility that's a little contractor's yard also that's on Riverneck okay not that far from here
all right thank you take it around Mike nothing particular at this point i mean it's got the usual angst associated with contractor yards but
uh as things go and given the property layout this is probably about as good such a combination as you're going to find okay John yeah I think from my first look at it I think the the landscaping is definitely important in the front as
they as they mentioned you know to to try to make a buffer um for the neighborhood um just again not being a truck expert when I look at the plan um if you have you thought at all about like you know say I'm a contractor and I
rent a space here and I have I'm getting um some stock or supplies and I'm getting a good quantity maybe three or four pallets of something um has there been any thought about you know if a semitr or a flatbed trailer um have to deliver that quantity of
stuff like the parking would it you know where would the truck unload or you know hope you know hopefully it's not on riverneck but um yeah no easily so the whole site's been designed for a chumpford fire truck the largest fire truck the town has and we've looked at
that so and we can show you that on a drawing too but that's why that area in the back of the buildings this has been designed so these are 19 foot long spaces and then a 40ft aisle so this is this allows for people to if a truck came in and came around this corner and
needed to sit here and unload there's room for people to park in these spaces to get out of the garage um and then they can come back around like this and get out so we can show those movements on a plan um but we wanted to make sure yes no everybody would be off of of
Riverneck Road and would be behind the building essentially okay thanks dear did you say it's the building the front building is 80 ft back yeah the larger building is 80 ft back and then the the
smaller is 40 40 feet mhm okay and then are there any I I didn't have a chance to swing over there today but and I don't recall are there any very large trees currently in that buffer area that you could leave there there probably is
and we could add that to the survey um in that in that buffer area between the street and and the parking we could look at that and when we're we're going to go out and do additional detail survey so we could add that to the survey there were large like evergreens
and I think there might be I mean I would want that to be a high priority to leave those there as part of a buffer okay we're also going to be working with the landscape architect too a registered landscape architect so we can get their advice too on some of that but
absolutely a long road that's all I have at the moment okay Anita so we've been working on this CB light district which we have been saying we wanted to change Riverneck Road for and
the one thing that we put on that that we don't allow is contract arts right um because we've all said like we don't want them abing neighborhoods um and here we are with something on Riverneck
um I live in East Chsford only way to get to East Chamsford is going through Riverneck or going on 129 looping around UPS east Chsford's already isolated as is and doesn't necessarily feel like
Chumsford and Riverneck is our only road to Chsford to feel connected for it um we've been working for the last two months on this CB light to try to fix some of this zoning and we've identified Riverneck Road because of last year last
couple years um the prior project as a place that we need to fix this um I'm not a big fan of this i don't want additional trucks going on Riverneck Road because I quite frankly Riverneck Road is not designed for
trucks it's it's a small windy road um so the idea of contractors you know with a different additional um trucks coming down this road I'm not a big fan of that being said um I don't want to see this building from when I'm driving on Riverick Road
if you can make it so I can't see it um I'd be willing to think about this type of project but right now like the other two buildings you can't see from river you drive by there's an entrance you know there's an entrance in the winter time when the
lease kind of fall down you can kind of see those buildings that's how this this is the other two buildings um about this if you can make this building like that that I can't see it when I'm driving home from a planning board meeting
then I'd be in favor i I'd be willing to you know entertain this for that area but if I can see it then Okay i'm not a big fan like I don't think it's the right place right no it's okay it's a one-story building that will look like an office in an IIA district so I
understand that but the lights would be off and they would be landscaping when you were to drive by and Right but the other buildings when they were put there 40 years ago were two-story office buildings and the deal that was made with the neighborhood the reason why there's like there's hills on top like
there like artificial hills made was so well we can do landscape arms out front and put trees in front of it that's like so you couldn't see it right like the they're put in a way that was the agreement made with the neighbors back then um and if they're going to do
something like this then I request that that agreement gets upheld i don't want to see it when I drive by when I drive home from a planning board meeting i don't want to see a building i don't want to see an office building because this is a neighborhood um and I'll leave it at that okay joel I
don't again I don't have any objection to this being brought forward as an application um I will say that when the when the Mercury buildings were being built uh they originally were planning to do septic and then they ran into a ledge such that they couldn't build the
septic so I'd want to be sure that you do your test pits in your infiltration areas just to make sure since that is happening on the adjoining property so just want you to be aware of that all right yeah we did Yeah we did 10 test pits this week um and we also have 1500
gallons of sewers we have three sewer connections so um and that would mean we would have the ability to put up to 100 people here which we're not looking to do so we have the sewer capacity within um Riverneck Road just based from the
three existing stubs that exist there today um but yeah that's exactly one of the reasons we went out there is to make sure we could drain the site and we went out and did 10 test pits this week yeah i just want to be sure you have the test pits in the areas you're actually planning to infiltrate oh absolutely okay and they were witnessed by engineering
too just to make sure anything else Joel nope okay Marcy um well one one of my concerns especially as you're on the aquafer is like what's potentially could be going into these what type of chemicals they bringing in what's the potential hazards spillage
that could impact uh town water as town water is already not that great um and being on the aquifer concerns me a lot i mean this does look smaller scale to what's going down on Riverneck Road in the Beehive so you're going to be having
all those you know contractors in that area too um so it seems like we're pushing a lot of contractor yards sort of into the same neighborhood um so that one's going on Bill Road right in the old three 3M building I believe yeah
okay and like one of them I can't remember which one don't we have a 300 I think yes don't we have um the whole turtle this is this is not this is not in rare species happen no no no but don't we have like all of those that issue
because that whole river neck site that was that bordered rare species habitat the properties to the west border rare species habitat this does not border rare species okay there's no no natural resources needing
requiring protection anything else Marcy no stha um just a couple questions um this front of this area looks similar to I think there's some buildings on 3A that have I know when you're going from um it just looks very similar to this where the back part goes lower than the
front it doesn't look that bad um it hides a lot of the stuff behind but I do have a lot of concerns i hear you saying that their vehicles won't be on site but I mean they're always going to be on site because they're going to be moving stuff in and out moving things in the morning they're going to be filling up things in these material bays there will
be a lot of noise especially early in the day there's no way to stop that in any of these things so I mean there's a little bit of concern with that um but overall I haven't really dug into this too much but is there a lot of trees being removed from the site this site is not developed currently so it's like
everything this is fully a wooded this is a wooded site so that's a concern i mean you're removing a bunch of green space and there's not a lot of green space going in oh and especially around um the Route 3 495 and change you move those trees now the neighbors are going to be getting that sound a little bit more from the highway yep
yes that's my majors right now i haven't really dug into this but I mean I just see a lot of trailer parking and everything else so there would be a lot of movement of very noisy vehicles backup alarms in this area and excavators i see the excavator parking those are extremely noisy too we can
also show when we if if and when we come back how far away we are from the residences because I think you'll be surprised at how far away we are to the nearest residence only because of where this is situated within the whole plan so um certainly but we can certainly look at trees larger trees certainly at
the back of the site too so yeah just seeing like existing to now to this because it wasn't really clear maybe put some sound barriers might be nice because that this is a fully loaded lot and while I know like I know the neighbors you know Mammoth Road and
Clark and stuff are not right abuing there is like a they have two office buildings would be abuing this property right you've got the machine shop and then you have the um the office building but that's really noisy and taking that
down that they're going to hear it like so there's something you can do from a sound barrier perspective um yeah we might be able to leave up some of that buff we might be able to look at leaving up some of that buffer back there too as because we're hearing this is our first pass so we're hearing your opinions
tonight and your concerns and we'll go back to the drawing board before we put pen to paper again yeah because there's not much of a buffer from that back section so that's going to be extremely noisy to the front except for that building that'll block some of it but there's not a ton i just don't want to
see the building i don't want to see an industrial building going home that's my only request so build it up what is that what is that smaller one to the I don't want to see it don't want to hear it it's just a two it's a two unit building just a two unit smaller two-unit building
she likes the nice dock on Ruben Road um so I've got a few questions and concerns um I actually drove by their current location today um pretty significant amount of machinery and heavy machinery
um at that facility so my concern is um about the not necessarily the amount of traffic but the wear and tear on Riverneck there are some significant potholes on Riverneck right now um so I
would want some feedback from DPW on um what the potential wear and tear is um how many vehicles would we be seeing uh how many trucks what types of trucks
um I think there are some dump trucks as well um so what would be the impact on the wear and tear of Riverneck Road and um what would be the cost to the town for maintenance of that
road um the gravel section in the back concerns me um I understand why it should be gravel for some of the stuff on top of it but the fact that it's so close to some of the wetlands back there
um it's not technically in the buffer zone and it's not in the resource area but it is pretty close so if there's stuff on the equipment that's being stored there um I've got some concerns with that leeching into the um watershed
area okay um so as much as I would not want pavement there I would want some type of a liner liner or something like that to contain some of that um it looks like I couldn't tell from
the drawing but it looks like you're not planning on having the fence go all the way around the property not right now but that wasn't the intention right we weren't thinking of wor we weren't really worried about people trying to come in sort of from the back it was more to keep things blocked from the
street and I Yeah I wasn't thinking about people i was thinking more about the wildlife coming around that back um Yeah no we weren't thinking wildlife okay so maybe some fencing around the entire back of the property okay um the other two areas of concern for me
are the number of trees being lost to this project um we've seen already some people in town complaining about another project um clear cutting a number of trees and so I can imagine there's going
to be some concern about this one too um so maybe getting in touch with the tree committee to seeing what can be done to mitigate some of that um if maybe some plantings some arrangement can be made for some payment on plantings elsewhere
in town to make up for the loss of tree canopy um there was some discussion about that at the conservation meeting last night about concern for loss of tree canopy in town and so this might be another area of concern
and then the other one is the loss of residential space um and at a time when the the state is really pushing for increasing housing um we're going to be losing uh residential property um for
this project so that's a little bit of a concern for me even though it's not an active residence right now um it is a residential uh development that we're going to be losing for this project as a special permit under the BAOD or no
just the house that's there now is oh the single family okay that's there today okay but if I could jump in we also had um a meeting of the um with NMCOG uh discussion forum on Tuesday talking about the new housing production plan
and one of the things that I was expressing and I actually was thinking of this um site with regret um that this kind of a project was coming forward because we were talking about kind of um
cottage communities and how um you know that one of the things that we are lacking in this town are starter homes and smaller homes both for seniors to downsize and for younger people coming in to buy and so we've talked about you
know the missing middle and maybe building some very small houses as a cluster in a community and this kind of a property would be perfect perfect for such a plan so anyway I mean so so in to me it's I
mean you know it's zon A and this is the project that's before us but to me it is losing more than the potential is just is more than just the single little house well I'm happy to not on this project
but I'm happy to hear you thinking that way and as properties come available as to that opportunity i mean Augusta Way over in North Chumsford was the first job I ever worked on and it's a great
little community of smaller homes um very close together um and it just hasn't been done a lot in town since so um for the traffic study also um I'm not sure how the traffic study would be
conducted if it would consider that whole front unit a single um 19,500 foot business but because they're individual businesses I would want a
little bit of consideration for that type of configuration um in the traffic study so instead of one business at 1900 it's multiple businesses at a smaller configuration because one business with
that size is probably going to have less traffic than multiple businesses i know what you mean yep um and then the last thing is um just in general I'm not crazy about this project
because of the areas that we're going to see being lost um h potential housing the the canopy um but I do appreciate the the thought that went into the the current design um I'd be curious to see what the residents
in the area um bring up for concerns and and feedback um one last thing I would also prefer not to have that smaller 14 15 unit um building in the front as well i would
I would much rather have it just that single building in the front as opposed to having that smaller one there as well i agree that may help with some of the screening if it's a 13
unit frontage instead of the 15 so that's my feedback it just kind of makes it chopped up you know the lanes and the look and anything else from the board okay again we really appreciate your
time tonight and your thoughtful feedback so that we can move this forward in a way that makes sense so thank you very much thank you thank you all right next up on the agenda 11 Cushing Place continued discussion of
pedestrian bridge so I expect uh council to have a memo uh to the board for your next meeting okay so we will continue that discussion next meeting um we did get some feedback from Nancy at the beginning of the meeting
that we can consider as well um so we'll move on to the next one kate's Corner Neighborhood Public Discussion continued and Evan you've got the presentation from Anita yep okay should be up on the
screen is this it unfortunately the the presentation that was attached to the agenda is the older version sorry you know can blame Anita for that one that's my fault yep i will like you go and print it so I'm not squinting to see it
zoom okay it's up on the screen so I tried to um where can I get like the dimensional for the lots like like I went to the GIS map and I
was looking for like you know dimensional like how like what where do I get that it's not there it's you have to do it uh property by property but it's But but where though where do I measure oh you Oh yeah there's a measure tool on the GIS so I
could personally measure it yep that's what I was trying to avoid that's what I was looking for the answer was this is what happens when you send us the wrong but if you click on them you get acorage i greet but I don't have like I was looking from a dimensional perspective yeah there's no
easy way to do that okay great all right so where we at in terms of um the timeline and the steps i think we left off reviewing the potential CB light
dimensional requirements you had asked um Lockheed to uh do some assessment yep which I think they're prepared to uh talk to uh this evening all right why don't we why don't we do
that then um that's what you sent out earlier right Evan yes can you put that up and if the locked representatives are available to talk to us patiently waiting that was very interesting
attorney Elopoulos represented the person who bought my parents house bought your what bought my parents house oh why um so thank you again Ann Soilleski i represent Loheed Martin we we took a look at the dimensional
requirements that were discussed at the last meeting um and what we did was we overlaid them onto both our property and then the 24 maple property um you had it earlier technical
difficulties i think I think in general the the the upshot is you know when you're looking at a property like our main parcel which is relatively uniform in size then what you've proposed you know makes sense we didn't have any
issues with that that's basically the dimensional setback requirements that exist around the factory building around our office building itself right but then when you look at 24 Maple which is a very oddshaped lot and you look at what would be allowed there now versus
what would be allowed using the proposed change dimensional regulations it significantly decreases what you could do on the property that's not to say that what you're proposing is inappropriate at all because for a regular size lot it as I said for our
regular property it it doesn't raise any issues or concerns so our takeaway from that sort of feeding off of what was discussed at some of the previous meetings is we do think that that's a reason why we we hope you would consider retaining the sead that would give a lot
with with that you know unusual shape more flexibility but in addition what we would like to suggest is maybe if you want to build in some additional flexibility on behalf of the board to be able to um you know make variances with
respect to the amount of buffers that might be required for individual developments that may need site plan review or may ask for some kind of variance as part of a special permit without going the full SEO route Because
maybe if there's a if there's a site not necessarily this one but where you overlay this zoning and somebody doesn't need a lot of variances of the setbacks but needs something and doesn't necessarily want to go the full sead you
could have some flexibility and discretion to say okay you know in this particular site we'll give you either through site plan review or a special permit a waiver from for example the landscape buffer a requirement for
making sure that your parking spaces are you know x number of square feet from a residential zoning district or something like that so that that was one of the things that we were that we were thinking of and wanted to suggest and as you can see it
goes from you know being able to develop you know most of the triangle and down into the little neck to you're really just limited to the Yeah we blew it up on the second one you're just limited to that little triangle right up
by the road on 24 Maple using those dimensionals so if we were to want to redevelop it I don't I don't think on this parcel with those dimensionals we could we could make that work but you
know there are other options the sead or perhaps if you have some other flexibility and then the last thing I would say is we are still actively pursuing this site we do not yet have you know the site in our hands under agreement but it is a process that we are still working through have you may
not be able to to say this but um from a corporate perspective have you gotten the green light to go ahead and purchase this lot if I believe that is the case yes but there's still some back and forth um can I say something i own 24
Maple Road nobody has talked to me from Lockheed about terms i'm getting a little frustrated making all these changes for Lock but yet Can could you come up to the Sure so I've been sitting 24 Maple Road so I've been sitting here since what two
months now and nobody has approached me from Lockheed i do have a broker but in terms nothing pricing nothing not one peep out of those folks and we're making all these changes and I feel as though eventually I'm become boxed in because you're going to make changes based on
what they want and if they back out because we're not I'm not sure that corporate is backing this i haven't heard anything so I have some concerns with this the way that we're going forward i feel as though you know if um if um if we make all these changes and
the corporate backs down what am I left with that's my concern i don't know if I should just go ahead and get an attorney to to you know to kind of in a engineer to kind of help i'm trying to be accommodating with Lockhe because I think it's a great marriage but yet
nobody has talked to me about it or my wife very concerning yeah well I have no just so me personally I have no intention of bringing this to town meeting to change anything unless there is a purchase in sales you know signed
off on this right like just from a like right so you know I'm not bringing this I'm not changing anything unless and the second concern I have is you know the business is closed down i'm covering personally covering the mortgage and all that um and you guys kind of tied my
hands because nobody will talk to us because of what you guys are doing trying to re uh re reszone and so forth nobody knows what's what the end the end game is so no one's talking to me so you're kind of tying my hands and so I like to kind of speed this along uh we
talk maybe a special meeting or or or a meeting in the fall as soon as the soon as we get this done the better for me because again it's personally coming out of my account my retire basically my retirement account and I think that's unfair okay all right thank you thank you
if I could just speak to that i'm not I'm not on the real estate acquisition piece of this but I have been told that this process is moving along and that they were dealing with the broker so I I not sure exactly what the status is but I have been told that it's moving
forward maybe you can take it back to them what he said and to circle back to corporate just so they know absolutely that would be greatly appreciated we'll do okay all right um
so next steps so we want to look at the seoid then so that was the question right does this I think we left off was this applicable to SEOID um and I think based on the discussion we
had last week or last meeting I thought most of the board and we can kind of do another poll with the new members but I think the feeling was that we should move forward
with keeping the COID um applicable until we see something that would indicate otherwise um I don't think there's any harm in in keeping it applicable um as an
overlay um it may be duplicative but at the very least it's not going to harm anything just to just to um add some on the dimensional consideration you've you've reviewed a table but if you go into the CEO itself
954 114 has some provisions that are um additional flexibility beyond the table flexibility so um
19514A says sideyard setbacks may be reduced to 5 feet where the project does not abut a residential use the reason I'm bringing that to your attention is that in Loheed's analysis under proposed the table shows a potential 40
foot sideyard setback the existing CEO contemplates reducing 40 feet down to five feet with planning board approval and as I mentioned to you at the last meeting the beauty of SEO is that it the
board in the community the neighborhood may want to shift it towards an existing industrial commercial property to provide more buffering on the residential side so that's that's the flexibility that's built into CEO without it the applicant wouldn't be
able to design for flexibility and the board wouldn't be able to approve it so the table provides some of the just general um guidelines and rigidity but some of the additional flexibility comes in the text of the overlay exactly okay all right so um then let's uh take
a poll um to see if we want to keep the the overlay applicable um to this zone that we're developing um and I'll just quickly go around Mike sure i I think we should keep it applicable i think we have a very good example in front of us
about why that might be a good thing yeah okay john I'm in favor of keeping it dearra I also am and I and I um just I'm sorry I don't know your name Mr maxwell oh me
but I mean I I think to your because we haven't changed it and even if we did you would be still would am I incorrect that he would still be have access or someone who purchased the property if it were someone other than
Led would have um access to the current zoning similar to um Riverneck riverneck exactly uh a property owner would need to take steps to freeze existing zoning but there's a there's a timeline where that could
happen absolutely absolutely a number of months after a purchase and sale or two years it's uh it has to be has to be prior to the town meeting vote okay so if this is a fall town meeting vote we haven't gotten anywhere near a town
meeting the earliest would likely be right fall unless there's a special so I I don't think that we're I I think you're mistaken at this moment Manny that we're free that we're tying your hands because I think everything that
was available to you in the past is currently still available and will be for some time into the future okay anything else it's just that no one will talk to us because of what's going on here also yeah I understand that i can understand that anita I have no
problem with the seoid okay um all right Joel for this particular set of properties I think it's appropriate okay i'm in agreement there i have no problem with the seoid all right stha no issues okay all right
so we'll keep the overlay applicable um at least for this area in the zone um do we want to have one since since we've only seen the
revisions on the screen let's um send it out after this meeting to everyone we'll do one final review um before the next meeting um and then do we want to talk about ne then maybe next meeting kind of look at
what that area what what parcels y um and then maybe expand it to what other areas we want to propose first let's lock this one down and then move to this was attached to the agenda
um I worked with um DPWGIS the highlighted parcels in purple are all of the commercial or industrial that directly abut residential i I think so some of these areas have already been identified as
conflict areas land use or zoning conflicts um within the NIMCOG study yeah but this is a townwide just to clarify these are these are parcels that are that are um zoned commercial or industrial okay
that abut um residential commercial industrial abing residential okay thank you all commercial districts so CA as well it should be yep yep as as
I'm taking a quick glance i mean there could be some anomalies looks like it's captured Williamsburg up here [Music] um it just may not be coded properly within the zoning um GIS layer but you can but you can see the mall what we
discussed earlier today um abuing um abuing residential obviously okay yeah probably would look at IA like limit it to IIA okay yeah that would uh give us some
more information i think just the IIA piece of it right because that's where that's the most dramatic Yep change right like the CB the CA um so we you'd want to look at the IIA abudding residential yes because that's
where you would want this buffer I think right mhm um cuz I think like again even like the Chumsford Mall area right like that's CA if I'm not mistaken that's CA i think what they said CC um so we'll revise this right but you can't just isolate okay
um yeah I think that makes sense mhm cuz like the Chelford Mall area I'm not sure we would want no like I wouldn't it's not much of a difference yeah exactly okay all right all right so um we'll
send this out um the slides out this uh after the meeting please take a look at it um do one final review um let's I'm not sure we want to vote on it yet
no because we would have to draft up the warrant sounds like you have a good um framework for the uh the zoning text what we still don't really know is the map where you're going to geographically
apply it i'm thinking more on just finalizing that text and the the table well we would need a hearing right oh yeah yeah um I'm thinking more of a just a quick poll to make sure everyone's in
agreement with the text um at the next meeting um and then we'll focus on the um properties in Cad's Corner um first and get agreement on that and then look at
um potential areas outside okay good plan all right can I just ask something with all this in the Kate's corner and this that 24 Maple with the set box is there any difference because on one side there is the rail trail and changing some of that stuff like how
close we can put things to the No the rail the rail trail is considered a prop a property line okay that's what I just wanted to check right it may come into play you know if a project came in and the board was contemplating how how much you wanted to reduce a sideyard setback
okay all right so um come prepared to um poll on the text and the dimensions and then come prepared to discuss the uh properties on um Kate's corner and then
identifying other areas that we want to take a look at next okay um are there any other comments from the board on this um we have public discussion on
this as well so are there any other members of the public who want to speak okay all right we'll move on to the next item okay do we if if we were in a public hearing do we have to continue it we're not in a public hearing it's a public discussion
allowing informal okay that's fair enough all right do we have a better map can like Could I get a map or maybe we have it already that's just this bit with all the at what everything zoned and blown
up yeah I I created one for a couple meetings ago so yeah I'll I'll recirculate that i'm sorry i think it's on the Is it Is that the one I put on the slide no that was um what for dimensional that was presented this evening oh can you circulate it and make
sure it gets attached to the agenda for next meeting because I want to make sure all of this stuff's on the agenda for next meeting so that um Abutters can take a look all right um new public hearings are none
continued public hearings are none wow that's a first enjoy it i know it's not going to last um all right aquafer protection questionnaire you want to open it up
so we do have it attached to the agenda and it's hard copies hard copies in our packet yep what I'm thinking has anyone actually looked at it yet i flew through only very brief that's what
I figured um I mean maybe we could tackle a couple questions we have time why don't we just go through it so but what I was thinking is we there's a lot of stuff in here
um and I think there are a bunch of different perspectives based on this makeup of the board how involved you are um from behind the table and in front of the table for some folks so what I'm
actually thinking is if you fill it out send it to me I can compile it and then we can review the full summary april 18th well this has an
April 18th due date yes okay um or do we want us to put like a subcommittee on this so the concom is doing a subcommittee um for this I'm not actually in favor of that because of the very different
perspectives people may have and levels of expertise i think we can in a half an hour I think we can go through this no not a chance all right so so then I I nominate you two because you guys are the
ones like I'm not gonna add much value to this but that's why So you don't need to submit anything to this so I think Chris's approach works i think the three of you I nominate to No my my recommendation is you take a
look provide input on the answers you want to provide input to get it to me I'll compile it um because I think some of us are going to go deeper than others and there's a lot of information in here um conservation commission I think had
six or seven pages of comments and text so it could get a lot of discussion um and we'd be here all night i mean um this isn't due in nine days
yes due in nine days can we request an extension i mean like I guess you could but I wouldn't suggest you actually doing that okay the goal of your question Jer is to develop a highlevel understanding
of the current use of the regulation so like we're not looking for like a thesis they want to have this will be followed up with Yeah with more right like just face to face like you want it at the
million mile level here right like we don't but there's a lot of different areas oh it's a title this needs some thought for most of us i mean I think a lot of it a lot of it is subtle for example with 270 it really
became an issue of differentiating between what are you doing with respect to MCP and what are you doing what what is MCP jurisdiction and what is your jurisdiction and the fact that you know you could interpret that very
restrictively and say the board can't do anything which we showed is not true you know so it's teasing out what are those subtleties and I I think in order for I mean this this person is the one who did the review or is doing the review on
Hilbert and so I think he's good um but I think that there's I think in particular teasing out what is the relationship between our jurisdiction and MCP jurisdiction is probably going to be one of the toughest things to to work through but it's very relevant because there's also the question of
well who takes the lead i mean we have acquer protection uh but we're somewhat limited in that unless there's that another thing for example has to do with acquer protection bylaw is that it really centers on because we had this
whole discussion before on 270 it really centers around use and but the only exception with regards to actually that triggers something other than some sort of a contaminant use is the percent of impervious and then that but then you're
really limited to uh storm water but it doesn't really encompass the concept of what if the site itself is discovered to be contaminated and then what kinds of hooks do you have to ensure that they need to do the things that are within your jurisdiction so it's it's not an
easy thing to resolve but I think we want to identify these things to this guy so he recognizes these are the things that we got to work out okay so that's why I think it's not just a simple Yeah yeah lard is the one that's doing the um review on tenhilda yeah so my recommendation is that
we take this if you have something to submit to me um great if not that's fine too um if you answer only a couple of questions that's fine too and when do you want it by
um 17 i am traveling next week um so give you something to have on your lap on the plane there you go look at that it's a train but Oh even better nice um it's a longer ride for you trainilot heading down to Providence there you go for a
week um not really going away right now well yeah I am kind of Can we consider maybe next Wednesday that's fair doesn't give you much time though well we'll deal with it
and he says he's going to be on a train so he has all the time in the world to do it um all right so let's say end of business on Wednesday the 16th what is your definition of end of business
my definition of end of business is 8 a.m the next morning it's when they come back that's why I didn't say end of day i said end of business this side of the table i I don't know i know this is going to be a challenging group may want
to break them up a little split them up um next week you come in all the seat assignments are all over the seat will be over there go back to the other side too all right how about 5:00 p.m next Wednesday
eastern Standard Time yeah Eastern time that'll give me some time messes up for you work on it that night and Thursday thank you that's good [Applause]
all right anything else on the aquifer questionnaire all right next item the leazison updates actually leazison appointments well so I have a I have a proposal
actually before we get to that are there any updates from the current liaison from the other boards i one small one I just want to mention it and this has to do with the strategic uh uh plan committee
uh which is that one of the things that they've spent some time arguing about is uh what kind of growth plan do we want and I think they're going to land that project on the planning board which
quite honestly is probably where it belongs they didn't really do much it seems they didn't do much other than delegate well what we're going to get I think we're going to get that task and and I think we probably ought to be prepared to think
about a real growth plan for the town i mean it can be uh full growth slow growth or no growth those are basically you know do you want to be like Burlington you want to be like Westford or you want to be like Carlile carile yeah you know I don't think we can go
back i don't think we're going to be It can't go back so doesn't No I've I've thought of just the whole place and go back to farms i'm g Doesn't some of that rest with the select board too though yes it does it rests with But I think what's going to happen is there it's
going to be suggested that they uh toss the bigger the lead part of this task to us so they're voting on it they're vote the select board voting their endorsement or adoption next Monday um I'll send it out it's on it was
linked to uh this past Monday's select board agenda it'll be linked to this upcoming Monday select board agenda um you'll you'll have a chance to see what what's in there okay yeah so if you look down the tunnel and see a light
coming at you that's what it is well we could always take it and assign some things back to the select board too if we want um okay so I alluded to the housing advisory board um we had a public forum
um hosted by NEMCOG um with a presentation um so NMCOG has some funding from the state to develop a regional housing plan and then their their uh Mike Acola I'm saying his name wrong um
Ashola I think it's Ashola Ashola I think pretty close um brought forth um kind of the bones of a Chilford housing production plan with some questions for the group we ran into
um you know question and answer discussion and um I would say you it wasn't I mean there was like 16 or 17 people there was pretty well um there was you know somebody from the housing commission and somebody from
historic and Evan and I don't know there's like somebody from the senior center um I don't know Evan do you have more to I I would just say that the H housing production plan is a um creature of uh
the 40B statute it's a regulatory document in the state's eyes for purposes of Chelmsford it serves two purposes it serves as a as the housing production plan per 40B but it also uh serves as a
local affordable housing plan uh it's this will be our third iteration in the last uh 18 years every five years or so um the plan's been very successful uh but I think the nature and tenor of this
plan will be very different strategically than the previous plans that were chasing 10% um so the strategies were chase 10% in order to do that large projects and large properties as the planning board
has discussed uh the strategy moving forward where we can accommodate housing is likely missing middle small to medium infill type type uh projects mhm so that's the level of detail that I think the planning board needs to kind of um
get their fingerprints on when you're when you're asked to begin reviewing draft documents okay is which will be sometime in late May probably correct yeah is any of are any of these plans coming at us
addressing the key issues that are kind of preventing some of our ongoing development like wastewater all the plans acknowledge um constraints i mean even the the the 2020 master plan did as I mentioned uh
at a previous meeting dpw working with Weston and Samson will be presenting to the select board the uh short intermediate and long-term uh wastewater plan i believe that
presentation is coming up I think in May okay so that that will be the first time that there's a a comprehensive plan presentation that provides realistic expectations budgetary considerations and then I assume that
that will initiate a conversation about to what extent does do any of these options want to be pursued which brings us back to you know big you know big growth little growth or no growth mhm if the community decides that they don't want to pursue um significant expansions
of wastewater infrastructure then essentially its trends continued which doesn't mean no growth it just means you're not going to have substantial freestanding multif family projects which is exactly what I think the planning board has already
articulated you don't mind housing but your your your strategy is a lot different yeah but it also poses a lot more problems with most of the sites in Jonesford because of aquaer protection issues and so the the gap analysis is good timing yeah I think that uh at a
minute will be discussed hopefully it will be resolved either through new regulation or or an agreement that it's not an not a particular issue that we need to create new regulation on okay but you're right there's a lot of kind of missing pieces all of which the
planning board is going to need to some extent in order to do a a growth management plan and the strategic plan acknowledges that in order for the planning board on behalf of the community to advance an intelligent growth management plan it has to be uh
closely coordinated with these with these other Okay infrastructure related plans well I'm glad there's some acknowledgement of that yeah absolutely okay what is our expectation of the gap analysis coming forth um I mean as far as timing
well it's been two years in the making to get to this point um I don't know what this point is well this question this this point the questionnaire the beginning of the process um I I know the consultant and the
budget are very very sensitive about about you know the process which is why initially the the proposal was to do a subcommittee type of engagement now it's a transition to this initial questionnaire but I would think
it shouldn't take more than six months but some of the some of the some of the some of the discussions um will be it will be the process is going to move as quickly as the discussions and what's the format of
those discussions is everyone going to agree to eventually get to a subcommittee for format or is it going to be asking the consultant to engage with the full with the full boards and maybe that all works out on its own as as we get more detailed mhm
so part of the um meeting yesterday at uh Concom was some discussion on the gap analysis and they did express some frustration at how long it's taken us to get to even the questionnaire um the process has taken a while um before we
can even get to some of the discussions and and the issues itself so um we're not alone in a little bit of the concern there um also at Concom yesterday they did um hear uh a notice of intent for
two single family homes on Old Lesser Road on the property that we did the ANR for um they've got some concerns about them being set right in the middle of that uh watershed flooding study um so
they're trying to work with the peer reviewer that did that um the Kleinfelter study to see um how close those houses are to the the wet the um flood stage and to see if any uh flood
storage is going to be needed so they're looking at that um they also talked about um potentially looking at tree removal policy in town um kind of uh in response to some of the
concerns on Facebook about the clear cutting on North Road um so Peter did mention that the tree committee is going to start looking at it and they might be willing to talk to some groups in town about what we can do um to mitigate some
of the loss of canopy that we're seeing on some of these larger projects if there's anything at all um any other updates from any other Yes um yes so the zoning board of appeals met last week on June 3rd although I did not intend in person I watched it it was
kind of a light agenda for the board um they had a a residential property owner seeking a dimension dimensional relief to construct an addition the 40B on Maro Zav was discussed and Newport aggregates um asked for a continuence to the June
meeting so it was kind of a light agenda for them but that's a quick summary the Marose 40B was approved uh so we are we are literally six units short of 10% and those six those six units will
be um will be will consist of the six affordable units at uh the UMass West property so at this point we are trying to get the paperwork where it needs to be get them get the documents recorded
so that we can submit to the state good and what's our expected timeline for that um let's see the um it's difficult to say um one they're
building right one legal document requires the UMass West Triml Crow requires a a state signature prior to recording uh they've reviewed and approved the the document so it could be could be a week could be several weeks
um I mean they're building them oh yeah Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah but they're allowed to proceed with building we can't get credit for them i thought they had to be permitted before we could get credit for them and don't they have to be permitted before they're built so
that was a um that was not a 40B so that No I know but so those units are just hanging in the ozone until until the regulatory agreement is recorded yes can we move that along well we've submitted to the state for their signature so like I said
it could be a week could be several weeks but we're we're as close as we possibly can be at this point and in that time period if projects are submitted are those considered dead as
soon as the signature is done or are those still in play until Yep so from from the from the get-go the last year 12 18 months it's been erased it's been erased to the to the clock the um any 40b application that gets submitted to
the zoning board beats beats the clock okay and there um there's others submitted right there there there's there's no pending in front of the zoning board there are um Crosby Lane and uh Riverneck Road the
select board has submitted comments on behalf of the town i believe Riverneck Road has received um approval from the state to proceed with the zoning board uh and I don't believe Crossby Lane has
as of yet okay then also the board of health the reason I was laughing was because at the board of health they mentioned that originally the plan on the gap analysis was to have the subcommittee kind of thing but then there was one board that
wanted to have a public hearing and I guess we won't mention who that board is but they're responsible for this now going the questionnaire approach so so that that board that wanted the public hearing is responsible of the questionnaire you're basically
responsible for diverting from the subcommittee approach to the questionnaire approach i actually like the questionnaire first as a first step anyway maybe we could still go to a subcommittee later depending on how it goes knowledge beginnings offer road
they have completed what they need to uh per D and are continued monitoring they are adjacent to the electrical previous electrochemical site which is across the street from 270 so Electro Chemicals and 3M were the two sites that previously
had had contaminants and also there was a release on Zero Katrina Road uh and they are claiming no surprise they're claiming downgradient property status uh so we'll see how that goes but that's interesting to know too so and then
there's a number of other things but not as relevant to to us okay um the one other thing is the zoning uh bylaw the lighting bylaw went before the
select board um as did the other zoning articles um and the select board um approved the lighting bylaw um and as well as the other two that we had uh in front of them um the one thing I did
want to mention is um I told Kelly I'd mention it to this board um he did remove the string lighting section from the lighting bylaw um to avoid any confusion between holiday lighting and uh string lights so um he did agree to
remove that section um from the bylaw so you'll not see that part when it goes to town meeting one other thing about the lighting bylaws is is there any is are we going to resolve like uh getting a meter for Jose and him learning how to
use it and so forth yeah whatever equipment's um required will be purchased yeah well I'm just thinking going to town meeting it would be if somebody raises the question it would be nice to say "Yeah we've already you know identified this and Yeah or maybe Kelly
could bring his and demonstrate it i'll go out to the parking lot we'll just show what it is that it's just a pretty easy thing the way he described it it was pretty I don't recall it being a wildly expensive piece of work pretty cheap
all right less on appointments um I was wondering if we could put a schedule together of when the meetings are because I feel like we kind of a little are willy-nilly like they know the center village
um some of the committees don't meet regularly right touch a center village it's kind of it's it's as as needed right but they but but they meet on a specific you know day of the week i mean
maybe if people could think about their schedules and also then talk about maybe let Chris know what you're interested in or I don't know or I mean we can just fight it out here let's Let's see if there's any issue yeah um All right
let's go down the line cpc who's got it i have that it's It meets once a month usually if there's not a lot of going on with projects then it may not meet every month i would love to do that i did it before and it's such a grim time right now i'd love to be giving out money to
people i'll take some do you have any preference to go anyway because he's the treasurer yeah i mean I'm not oppos I'm not opposed to that um Okay if if my other assignment is ZBA if
someone wants to do a trade I'm open to that I've been doing advisory which I kind of like do we have to vote on these um I think they're appointments yeah
yeah you should okay all right so why don't we All right just do a slate yeah i was thinking we can name people and then vote on the whole thing after okay because there are a lot of appointments all right so Deerra John are you okay
with Deerra doing CPC yes that's fine i might trade you i'm sorry i might trade you for the zoning board i might trade you but I want to think about it all right think about it we'll get there i need to find the days conservation Commission i would like to continue doing that if people are okay with good for continuity and you it's your like
kind of subject expert you get to stay really but well you're developing a sub subject yeah I'm developing it with them so I mean I think continuity is good like I was going to try and get off HAB because it meets at a time that's inconvenient for me and basically they
said and Evan said "Well it's nice to have the continuity why don't you stay?" Center village like I've been doing that I can stay with it i know but I liked it well okay you know rock paper scissors no but the problem is that like I ran
into the problem with the fin like now that fin's wrapping up like now I can go back to it but but then when finally my problem because it it definitely meets on Thursday you can go for me tomorrow because I might not be around tomorrow but then I'll go the rest of the time
but you whoever is the appointed person votes there right yeah that's the problem so they need them for a quorum i don't think I think tomorrow's getting cancelled oh that would be great i might have Red Sox tickets for tomorrow night if the game if the weather holds out so you know all right so which one of you
wants it they definitely meet on Thursdays yes all right then I can't do it all right mercy Vinyl Square i have some interest up there i'd be happy to do it any objections anyone else s is from North
yeah he's good well we can both go i mean it's Do you mind does the the person vote up there yes it's a voting position how often do they meet um no more than once a month yeah
they're not too bad virginia just got appointed so that's going to become a And Virginia and that's going to become a powerhouse up there yeah yeah sera would do you want it being a resident from that area i mean I am concerned with the area
um it's once a month and when though do they know no what what day um it switches it's they move around they'll like with Virginia Beach here they'll likely they'll likely stick to a
a particular day of the week it's usually late that's why I'm asking starts at um 7 they have um they usually have a Zoom component okay yeah I guess I do care about what's
happening in my area yeah yeah mike are you okay with her taking it okay I guess if that's what we want to do we can still go yeah i mean I'm up there anyway i mean I've got I've got a good chunk of land up there master plan
implementation i've been doing it forever do you want to continue doing it forever i it I'd be perfectly happy to do that okay and you might as well strategic plan is about to wrap up so I might as well just continue
all right put you there for too uh housing advisory i I enjoy it continuity there you go zoning board zoning board anita and I might be trading baseball cards but I don't know let's let's talk
let's talk afterwards all right ncog we'll talk like we'll tell you next week can we tell you next week so the same you're currently Anita right we don't currently have a um liaison to the
historic commission um and we I think decided for some reason last time that we didn't think we needed that but apparently they're making proposals to make a new business historic business district and why they
want to have some input into the historic business district and so I'm thinking that that might be I mean if that's going to have um implications for redevelopment projects in the
historic in the center which is I think most of what's impacted i think we might want to put somebody back over there keeping an eye on things their visit their meetings aren't televised they have they're not recorded their minutes
are somewhat limited so I Yeah so let's let's see if someone can join that group too all right so we've Let me just review dearra is doing CPC uh I've got Concom Center Village
Marcy SHA Vinyl Square mike the master plan implementation dearra Housing Advisory Board uh Mike strategic plan that leaves zoning board NEMCOG and historic commission and board of health
oh board of health yeah oh I know nimcog they did send an email today to Paul um I guess requesting a reminding because I they likely have a a council meeting coming up next week
um I think they're looking for someone from conjuncture to be appointed from the planning board mhm yep seems sensible all right so of the remaining Joel do you want to continue with board of health
all right that leaves zoning zoning how like the the ZBA how many times first Thursday I've ever again oh no no but that's why because that's why the fin can't have the meeting on the first Thursday oh okay i can do that
then oh okay you want to switch do you want to do Nimk sure and what's your NIMCOG okay yeah they meet once a month on Wednesdays roughly what is NMCOG northern Hills they're the group that helps us out with
a lot of stuff like MBTA zoning yeah it's it's worth good group so on the historic one if and when the historic district commission or the historical commission wants to advance well which one is doing it i think it's
I think it's the historical commission i think so too regardless if if and when it's ever advanced that requires a dedicated study committee public hearings town meeting um and town meeting vote right good so
to the extent that the planning board you know needs to have a liaison right here right now maybe not i think that we should because I don't like them going over there doing that are they there once a month uh I think historical commission meets I
think on Tuesdays district I think meets on Mondays i think the historical commission I've done both before i think that the commission is on it it's pretty early if I'm not mistaken i think they
might start at 6 or 6 yeah i don't know no yeah i don't know um the commission is chaired by Deb Tivera right now and the district commission is chaired by I believe Brenda Lovering yep
what's the difference between the two district commission is a regulatory in charge of the historic district in the center so they get involved in the color paint you're putting on your fence the historical commission administers the demo delay
bylaw okay why are they two separate groups hell of a good question well one deals with only Chsford Center and the other could statutory under MGL they're listed as as separate yeah wow okay all right so do we want to appoint
someone i'm willing all right which one the one that's going to do the the thing we have to figure out which one probably historical commission i think that's the one i think that's the one I
we want to be on if nothing else take a good close look at the demolition bylaw and see all effective so Mike you'll get historical commission okay all right everyone clear on names everybody has a
commit has a committee who got the NECOG who got All right that was a trade up somebody Somebody let all the motion yeah i'll take a motion to accept the nominations as second i'll move it
thank you i'll second i'll second you got this down who second it anita anita did it first she did yeah mike made the motion anita second all in favor i i can't wait to see what um our minutes look like next week
all right all right could you uh could you uh get to all the commissions boards and whatever the heck they are and have them send notices to the appropriate leazison so that we know when their stuff is yes
yeah cool all right great new business um the onetop grant this is just a hold over um I've begun uh gathering material for the full submission and so probably
[Music] um in the May agenda I'll likely have some materials for the for the board to review okay what is the one stop grant again it is uh the board is interested in uh
applying for uh PL money to do planning and zoning to do a comprehensive Did you say what is or when is what was it what is it yeah what is it it's the it's this it's the state's um uh comprehensive grant program it's one of mass you know
the the onetop mass works and the other programs within the onetop are you've heard about them through the MBTA zoning if you're not complying it you're not eligible but the board's interest is um applying for planning assistance money to do a comprehensive uh hire a
consultant to do a comprehensive uh use table and zoning map review assessment this was because we were looking at like for commercial was that what right yeah i was just I was trying forgetting why we're taking it to a bigger scale but with some paid paid too many committ Yeah yeah i was just trying to remember
sorry with with interest in economic development housing and economic development yeah okay i just forgot what we were trying to do with it one other thing I wanted to mention just a reminder that the community resilience project selection survey has been um
sent out so please um take the survey and uh I haven't yet um it's not going to take that long yeah it didn't look like it was a long survey so also can we um can we get a status on
270 as far as the LSP yeah I can I can forward you out the um monitoring reports yes okay and what about the steak bones uh I know they're actively um building the space out steak Which one was that
the one in the center the center steakhouse yep i don't recall if there's been a I think I think the latest has been a fall opening but don't quote me on that this has been the longest like anticipated restaurant that' be good
like I don't know maybe there's nobody living in there i really don't think there's anybody living there was snow in a couple of the parking spots all winter i've never seen people in space there definitely were people living in the units at one time parking lot there's some of the parking spaces had snow all winter huh maybe they don't have any
vehicles yeah maybe they walk to work it's not the employees i forgot to read the minutes maybe they work downstairs who knows all right if you had read the minutes you would have seen that I
wasn't there and yet I was involved in various discussions i figured out why so the minutes for 10 when you were on Zoom October 11th I wasn't there oh right because I gave the conourse so
that correction needs to be made that it wasn't Joel that was absent it was me that was absent that day wonderful so if you can get that correction to Becky yes um and everything else was fine so that's why Joel seemed to be
voting while he was absent pretty amazing Joel omnipotent all right okay so I'll take a motion to approve those minutes if everyone's read them we got two meetings to read them this time
with that correction moved by Mike second by Anita all in favor i unanimous for those of us who were there actually I've I am staying because I can't vote on that one oh god these
minutes are going to be so bad yeah we should uh make sure we scrub those minutes yeah whenever we get make sure we look at them forever meeting we definitely have to look at it because God only knows who they have recorded as
voting all right any other topics i will take a motion to adjurnn make a motion to adjurnn anita second by Mike all in favor i have a good night everyone you too