it being 7 o'clock. Um, good evening. It is 7 o'clock on Wednesday, March 11th. Uh, and I'm calling this, uh, meeting of the Chsford Planning Board to order. My name is Chris Lavali and I'm the chair of the board. Tonight, we'll be following the
posted agenda. This meeting tonight is um is there anyone on Zoom? >> No. >> Okay. Is in person only. Um and the meeting is being televised live and recorded via Chsford Teledia. Uh will be available on their website and on
YouTube. Okay. So, first item on the agenda is public input. Um no one in the audience and no one on Zoom. So, we can skip that. Uh administrative review is none. Public
hearings for new ones are none. Uh public hearings continued. Uh citizens petition for the uh article 29 um for fall town meeting. Still haven't heard from Brian either way. Um so I will take
a motion to continue this till March 25th and I will email him again after the meeting. Do we really want to do that or do we just want to He's had three shots. >> I'd like to give him one more shot. >> Okay. >> Do we have to have a communication about it? Why don't we just Did What did you tell him last time?
>> I told him I would give him I told him I'd give him till the April the last April meeting. >> Okay. So then >> I move to continue that public hearing. >> Okay. >> Till the next meeting. You guys get to worry about it.
>> Motion by Mike, second by John. All in favor? >> I I >> And for the record, we are missing Sertha tonight. Um and everyone else is here. So that is unanimous. All right. Discussions. Uh community
development director's report. Uh thank you. Uh not too much this evening. Um couple items. We had a managed growth strategy meeting on March 4th. um made good progress. Uh the committee
in NIMCOG uh continued to refine um elements of the scope that were uh kind of a primary and secondary. Um, Nimcog indicated that uh we would be targeting a
March 20th uh deadline to apply for a state grant uh to hopefully uh obtain uh a sum of money uh that would go towards the uh the full project. Um
let's see last night um Chris on behalf of the planning board myself on behalf of community development concom zoning board and building were at the citizens academy at the police station.
Uh that was a um an interesting um forum uh for citizens part citizens who participate in the academy to learn more about those uh functions in government. Um and I just want to add to that um
Evan had a really good activity for the group. Uh it's called I plan was it >> I plan right? >> Um and it >> I plan >> oh >> it's an online planning um simulation for zoning uh and he grew he split the
room up into three groups um with different interests. They proposed different zoning changes to an area of Chumsford and then Evan ran it through the simulation and got um feedback from different stakeholders about how the
changes impacted businesses uh open space things like that >> and it was really interesting to see people's >> understanding about what we deal with um expand. It was kind of neat. Um >> what are the things they recommended? Uh
there was one group that was um for open space advocacy, one for commercial and one for industrial >> community >> community. >> Were they assigned? >> Yeah. >> What to >> Yeah. They were assigned the perspective that they they advocate for and so they
they got together in that group proposed different changes to different zones. Uh so changing a commercial to open space or uh I think they changed uh industrial or residential to industrial um to see how it would impact uh different areas
um in different changes. >> Interesting. >> Yeah, it was really interesting. >> Yeah, I thought so as well. >> Was it televised? Like is it can you can't go back and watch it >> because they're going to be doing this um academy every year. >> How many academy people are there? Uh
there were 15 last night. I think there's a total of 18. >> So it's >> they cap it or >> they they I think it's under 20. They want to keep it under 20. Um so will be an annual program and the hope is that the um participants will then volunteer
for uh appointed positions or seek election. >> Y >> and any of the people that in the academy were they any of them already involved in? >> They didn't appear to be. There was uh one new one person who uh put in his papers for town meeting rep um in
precinct 10. Um but other than that >> in a good range range. >> Yeah. >> And who like MC's the whole thing? >> So uh James Gity out of the manager's office kind of uh is the you know administer administrator of the program.
He attends the Tuesday night sessions. There'll be 10 of them in total. Uh but the program is yeah run through the man the select board of managers office but this is the first year >> and is he the only
like town employ he's the only >> he's the constant he's the constant and then um and then each Tuesday uh different departments come in and kind of do a high level presentations and some sort of activity. >> That's awesome. >> Yeah, it's a great idea. So, I gave a 10-minute presentation with some Q&A
after. >> Who got who thought of this? >> Um, it's been around uh for a number of years in a variety of communities. It was I think it was highlighted by MMA the last couple of annual conferences >> and as you know the the town's been
trying to find new and different ways to increase volunteerism and engagement. >> So, it's it's a good program. >> So, that's all I have. >> Wonderful idea. any uh updates on the gap analysis? >> Uh yes, that is that that uh should have
mentioned that uh we met on um Wednesday, March 4th uh with the consultant. We reviewed a final uh draft. Um that was a good discussion. Um I so between staff and the consultant
we think we've identified a um uh an appropriate um procedure. Um the consultant uh needs to uh just do one final update and then the next step
was for um the manager to call for the the tri board meeting. >> Okay. So I I think we were going to try to target a Tuesday either in late March or early April. >> Are we going to be able to get that report? Yeah. >> Draft before the meeting.
>> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Good. Excuse me. >> And the tri board meeting will be the >> it will it will be uh planning board, concom board of health uh at a minimum.
So those are the those are the three boards, right? Okay, thanks. Leazison updates. >> Uh so, uh Senate Village committee met with
Nimcog at the library the uh last Thursday in February. Um it was very well attended. Um a lot of the business owners actually showed up this time um with lots of questions. um looking at the maps um they were there they got to
express their concerns um things that they were looking to see um how some of this would impact their businesses. So we will be meeting tomorrow. Um Kelly's going to come back uh with some of the stuff that she has gathered so that we could start looking at that.
So, was that in the format of like a a um they had a couple of maps around the back of the room so that they could look at and talk about and put some thoughts and things down on the maps. I had sticky notes so they could do it. Um Kelly from NECOG got up and gave a
presentation on um the two proposals that we currently going with. One would be um funded through the tips if we put bike lanes on Chumsford Street. Uh, one, if we don't put bike lanes on Chumpsa Street, would not be grant funded. Uh, this town would have to come up with the
money for that. Um, so that they could see how the how the street would be w um set up with the sidewalks on both sides, um, rows of trees and things of that nature. Um, so then they could actually on the maps that they could see where their businesses were and what was going
to change for them and and parking. They would be putting some on street parking on Chsford Street. Um, some of those things. So there were a lot of things for them to look at, listen to and ask questions. >> So was it favor was it overall was there like a sense? Was it favorably or
unfavorably received? >> Everyone would have more. >> I would say it's mixed. Um private property owners are concerned about uh loss of parking. >> Yeah. >> Um is their primary uh concern.
As some of you know, many of those um parking spaces are partially located within the town right of way. >> Yeah. >> Um Nimcog indicated that the roadway is a um uh unsafe roadway, has um higher uh
vehicular and um pedestrian and bicycle um accidents. Um so it's clear that something needs to be done and is going to be done. Um but as you know I mean the town's not
necessarily inclined to advance um any project where there is um you know significant private property opposition or concern. So this this process has been a good one where the
stakeholders have been able to engage, you know, in really detailed conversation. Um, and there very well may be a a third option that's generated. >> Hasn't come up yet. >> Yeah. I mean, I think we received enough feedback uh to create a a third option.
The third option would likely um not be as um ambitious as either of the two options in an attempt to minimize um private property impact >> and get more buy in. >> Yeah.
>> Where I'm sorry, where on street are we looking at? >> It would start at Alpine and go all the way to the center. um anything that's going to happen from Alpine to the um entrance to 495 that would be taken over when Master Dut comes in and does the
reconfiguration at the end of the on and off ramps. >> Oh, that would be nice. It's something safer. >> I know. >> So, but I mean there's there's >> reserve judgment till you see the plans. >> I think like we could get something
safer. that stretch of the road is going to be covered as I said once master comes in and uh does what puts out their plan. So >> the rotary plan. >> Yes, the Rotary plan. Uh so right now >> more space Rotary plan.
>> So Ncog's looking at starting at uh Alpine and going all the way up to the center of town >> and stopping at the lights there, Bill Briler Road. >> Okay. Anything else? >> That is all from them. Dedra, >> I missed the um housing advisory. Was
there any big reporting there? >> Um the main takeaways are um the housing advisory board uh at the next meeting which is uh Wednesday, April 1st at 4:30.
>> Um >> fools. >> Yep. uh is to they want to revisit the mission statement in collaboration with their their appointing authority which is a select board uh to identify um
areas in which the select board wants the housing advisory board to focus. As you recall, when housing advisory board was first created, it was a during a time when the town was aggressively trying to reach 10% on the um subsidized
housing inventory. So, after three plan production plans, the town has essentially done that. Um so the housing advisory board has brainstormed and they've they've come up with um you know educational
um outreach for residents related to housing services and housing programs uh with a focus on um first-time home buyers and empty nesters, seniors who are kind of housebound. Um these is not housing production. And
these are housing services and programs that are available. Um >> and then they would what's that? >> Keep things moving along. >> Yeah. And then they would obviously continue to play a role in meeting with meeting with uh developers who come before the planning board as part of um
the affordable housing bylaw as well as you know 40bs. >> Okay. I wonder if we could get the housing advisory board to um take up
or give input regarding the pilo. >> Yeah, I think we should. >> We'll get to that. We'll get to that shortly. >> But that might be a >> Yep. >> They're looking for tasks. >> Anything else? >> Um Evan, do you know why the ZBA didn't
have a meeting last week? >> There was no new items. >> Okay. Simple as that meeting last week. >> Oh, okay. >> Ch. >> So, I attended the managed growth strategy task force meeting with one with Mike and Evan. Um, Evan gave a
great summary of that, so I won't go into that in the interest of time. Um, next week, next Wednesday, I'll have a NIMCOG uh council meeting that I'm planning to attend. >> Okay. >> All right. >> Joel uh had a board of health meeting.
Uh they had a hearing uh community teamworks incorporated CTI that's the group that runs the what used to be Chsford in um housing and um they were coming to request extensions for stays for nine people and apparently under the
existing bylaw and I got a copy or I'm sorry a regulation it's article 4 of chapter 2011 which has all of the the specifications about how long people can stay, what size rooms and so forth and so on in there. It says that uh you can
they can grant up to two extensions. Um so they were asking for essentially a third a third extension which essentially means that the board of health is essentially waving their regulation to allow that. So they did vote to wave it for um people and the reason primarily being is the weather
that it was difficult to relocate people with the weather that we've been having. So that uh continues. I just thought it was interesting to know that that uh the board of health has the authority to wave their own regulations when they >> when they have um the certain criteria that they have to use according to the
mass general law. But that was really the main thing and then the next meeting is April 7th. >> Okay, Mike. >> Nothing particular here. Of course, I was at the man the managed growth meeting. Uh missed the historical
commission that was last night. I guess they had one topic as best I heard. Nothing else to report >> for Concom. Uh, last night was Carl Bishoff's last meeting um as chair um as a member of the Concom. Um
>> as a member of Con? >> Nope. He is moving out of town. >> Yep. >> Um so he is no longer on on Concom. Um David Coons wrote up a really nice um summary of of Carl's uh tenure on the
Concom in the uh manager newsletter. Uh so if you want to read it, it's it's in there. Um so there was a nice farewell to Carl. Uh they named a new chair, Chris Garan, and then Peter is vice chair.
>> How long has been car How long has Carl been on? >> Nine five or six years. >> No, it's I think nine. three terms, you think? >> Yeah, I think so. I think from >> what I remember hearing on the recording. >> So, all right.
>> They'll be posting a They'll be posting for >> They already have, I think. I think I saw it in the uh this past select board meeting. All right. Um moving on to new business. um
where most of our meeting tonight is going to be spent. Uh so zoning updates. Um so I updated uh let's see so fin uh presentation is now going to
be March 26th uh for the zoning articles for town meeting and then the select board is going to be what day was that? >> Monday, April 13th. >> Yeah, Monday, April 13th.
at night my notes. Um so that so I'll be presenting uh with Kelly uh on those evenings in preparation for town meeting. Um all right, prioritizing upcoming work. Uh so I updated the document we
went over last time. Um put them in the priority order that we discussed uh at the last meeting. Um I still have a couple uh town council questions
um that he I believe answered pretty completely in the last email. Um so we had questions on the pilot um which I'll get to in a minute and then the procedures for the special permit
and site plan voting. Um so what he said is the procedure requirements um procedural requirements for the site plan and the special permit need to be in the bylaw but the procedure itself can be in our
rules and regulations. Um, so there's a little bit of a nuance there that we can uh remove any process and procedure from the bylaw and put it into our regulations and policies and
then um if there are any regulatory requirements, those have to go in the bylaw. So I will work on a draft and then make sure that town council is >> Did I miss his response? Did you? >> No, no. It was just a response between me and him, Evan.
>> Or that alone to us? >> Yep. Yep. >> And then for the pilo, um the bylaw, there's actually um we'll get to it in a minute, but there's actually
some text in the bylaw that needs to stay in the bylaw. Um and then there's some stuff that we can pull out and um have separate. So we'll get to that once we start discussing that one. Um
so we answered our questions um and then we'll be able to approach those topics now. Questions on any of that? Okay, moving on. Um, Riverneck zoning
conflicts and then proposed scope. Um, so what I did is I added the um PDF from the NEMCOG uh review that we had.
>> Um, what I wanted to do >> That's helpful because I was having trouble finding that. >> I did too actually. Um I wanted to talk about two things tonight. Number one, the approach we want to take for um attacking this and then the scope.
Um so we'll take the scope first since Evan has that document open. >> Should be an open here, right? >> Yeah. >> Is it? >> Uh yeah.
scope meaning what part of this map do we want to include in the conflict zone? >> So the way they broke it out in their analysis Monmouth McFarland are both individual items that they have
in there. Marramck uh Riverneck West and Riverneck East are also individual items. My recommendation is that we um we could break it up in discussion pieces, but I would like to
try and address all of it um east, west, McFarland, and Monmouth um all together in one cohesive proposal. >> I would agree with that. I do not think Turnpike should be included if that >> No, no, I'm not recommending that.
>> Just focusing on Riverneck. Yeah, >> because I think turnpike has a little bit of a different >> flavor. It's got its own set of problems. >> Um, we also need to talk about >> Hold on a second. Can you go back? So, um,
turnpike not in like are we talking about changing the zone um or coming up with a different zone for Trumpike? You mean it has a different set of problems? >> Like are you talking like Riverick West, McFarland? Like those are
>> all we're going to do. >> That's a chunk. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Like you're say, okay, those all going to be residential. Like I know we haven't started talking. >> Well, we have to talk about but but if you were you're saying like those are all going to be together the same thing. Is that what you're thinking? >> Treat them at the same time. Yeah. Treat them at the same time. >> Kate's Corners that that that area that
we comprised and the same with the one in North Chsford. >> So we'll make the area Rubberneck and the roads off it. >> Okay. >> I mean, I agree with you. I'm not even though Turnpike is You were telling me that you want to make them all the same zone >> handle them all at the same time as
opposed to >> separately and then not handle turnpike at the same time. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Um >> I mean that should probably still be on the list at some point. >> Oh yeah, definitely >> down the list. The other thing we need to talk about is the Apollo
uh property that abuts Riverneck. Um we should keep that in the discussion as well. Um because there are impacts on that property because it also actually has the back end on Riverneck
>> and abuts the properties on Monmouth >> in McFarland I think. Uh, it maybe both. I'm not sure. >> I think it does a little bit. >> Yeah. Um, and there are some properties. I was looking at the the GIS map and there are some properties there that are mixed zone. >> Yeah.
>> Um, so we should take a look at all of that. Don't know if we'll need to change anything on that Apollo property, but and I don't want to look at all of Apollo, just that one. >> Whatever. butts like an area that if you can clean like again cleaning cut it off
like we did for corner. >> So are people okay with that? >> It makes sense to me. >> As good a way to do it as any. >> And then do we envision doing Golden Cove Turnpike and Mil Road at some other
time? >> Yes. I'd like to I know it's ambitious and long term, but eventually address all of those. >> Yeah. Do you envision like doing those three together or >> I don't know. I haven't thought that far
>> there. >> One step at a time. >> I don't know you would treat Golden Cove with Turnpike and Mill. Turnpike and Mill are similar. >> I'm almost thinking Golden Cove. Do we want >> they have IIA on the other side of the street, but Golden Cove is a >> Do you mind?
>> It's more of a cut through kind of thing. >> What's going on with what's going on with Golden Cove? >> The Golden Cove doesn't have like an IIA on one side of the street or the other, which which Turn do. So, I would probably treat Golden Cove a little bit differently. It also has the issue of basically it's a cut through,
>> you know, that the others don't have as much. >> Yeah. >> So, >> is that what's what is Z what is that zoned right now? Is that RC >> Golden Cove? >> Yeah, >> it's RC I believe on the east side and I think it's RB on the west side. >> Yeah, if I >> actually if you look at the uh NEMCOG
recommendations, their recommendations are only related to traffic and circulation and not not actual reasoning. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> All right. So, >> I would agree. >> We don't have to upset every apple cart. >> Yeah. I don't think any traffic and I
don't think we >> No. And I'm not sure we want to tackle that. I don't think we could. Um, >> yeah, I'm I'm think this group can focus more on the the zoning as opposed to the >> Yeah, I was just wondering if that there was
an issue with the zoning. That's what I was trying >> It doesn't look like it that they >> So, that's interesting that they put it on the map, but it's a traffic problem, not a zoning problem. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, I agree that >> because the topic was zoning conflicts of interest.
>> Yeah. Yep. >> Which I mean honestly Z Mil Road has some weird things about it as does Turnpike, but yeah, not really. Golden Cove. >> Okay. >> Maybe the maybe the gravel
property on the corner. >> I haven't heard anything really about that. >> All right. So for the approach um we can do one of two ways on this. Um we can
do what we did I think I'm trying to remember which one we did it with or both. Um start with uh a draft um that one or some of us put together um and
then talk about it, discuss it and then bring in neighbors to react and discuss >> or um bring in the neighbors and businesses first, get their thoughts and ideas and then draft something. So when
we started with Kate's Corner, we had to start first with a zone because we didn't have a zone. So that's why we kind of went that first. Once we got >> like what we wanted in the zone, then we kind of brought in the neighbors. I think now we have our zone. I don't think we're going to create a new zone.
>> No, we're not creating a new zone, but I think discussing what the what's on the ground now and then what do we want to do we want to change that? Do we want to what do we want to change it to? Well, we have had
a hearing already about this area where people did comment. I mean, I think a number of us are pretty familiar with it that my feeling at least is it would be good to at least have some options, some straw men. It's a little bit easier to edit than it is to just,
>> you know, just have a wide open this is what I would like to have kind of thing. So, but still have a good number of options and and be able to modify them as, you know, based on input so that we're still open and flexible, but gives at least something specific somebody can
point to to say, I like that or I don't like that. >> People good with that approach. I felt like the last time we had them, they the the neighbors were not wanting to have roads of options
closed off because there was kind of so much shifting sand. Um and >> it was just a timing thing. They just basically were saying this is not the right time to do this because of the uncertainty. >> But there is still quite a bit of shifting sand over there. But I also think it was the fact that the scope at
that time was only those two side streets. It wasn't Riverneck. >> Yeah, true. >> I think as you're broadening it up to that riverneck east, it's, you know, >> Yeah. >> It's going to it's bright widening our scope of what we're looking at to the resoning. So,
>> and we didn't have CB light back then, >> right? Right. >> And we have and we're including Paulo, right? Like it's a whole different >> Okay. Um, so if people are okay with that approach, the next question is, do we have any volunteers for coming up
with a an initial draft? >> Everybody stares off into the distance. Um, >> I can do it. >> Yeah, >> you'll do it. >> Yeah, I can. >> I' I'd be willing to help a little, too. You know, >> me and Mike work together. We came up with >> Yeah, we'll do the CB light team.
Another another couple of coffees. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. You guys did a nice job on the Kate's Corner. >> Yeah. >> When do you think you'd be able to get it done? >> Can you get a draft done by next
meeting? >> Uh not with me in >> Yeah. I was going to say, yeah, like we're not going in front. This is not how >> she's got income. >> Yeah. like, >> "Yeah, we're both trying to get time." >> We all heard about
>> we have to report on everything, so they're busy. >> We have a full-time job in five season. >> I do want to make sure that we continue moving. So, >> yeah. No, maybe after town meeting. >> Yeah, I think it would have to be after, but there's no reason we can't come up
with, you know, a small handful of of >> ideas to options. Okay. Yeah. So May. >> Yeah. >> May meeting. Okay. Evan, can you
>> is there a way how did you get the um for Kate's corner when we highlighted those? Is there an easy way to highlight those >> on the GIS map? >> On the GS. >> And it's not easy. >> It's not easy. >> Just if we work together, we'd be like if we could do that. My recommendation
is to look at the GIS map, figure out the right zoom >> y >> overlay um with some transparency >> and then take a screenshot >> screenshot and do with and then I've got >> that's such a big area you're going to have to do multiples.
>> Yeah. >> Okay. I can Yeah, I'll figure it out. Would you be able to um I think for the mill area you were able to come up with current uses.
>> Um yeah, we can do that. >> Okay. Because that might be good to have what the current uses are in the on the properties. >> Okay. So maybe in the next couple of weeks if you send that out to the the board.
It was originally the Monmouth and um McFarland. They were well Monmouth at least was originally residential, right? And then it was zoned industrial because I thought some of those homes >> that was up in the land of the pig farm, wasn't it? >> It was the pig farm. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah,
>> I don't recall the specific history. >> I know I think Sean Campbell who lives there has presented pretty detailed history to the board at one time. >> Okay. I'm just wondering how in a historical in our records how we would track that
down. >> Uh he's he's done most of the town meeting research. >> Okay. >> Sean has. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> I'm pretty sure he presented it to the board at one point. >> Yeah. at one of the meetings about the
um other big development, >> the warehouse, >> the warehouse with the road through >> I was just curious how how the zoning had changed, but my understanding was that that area was if it wasn't
residential, there were residences there >> and then it was zoned IA on top of the residences >> likely. I think I I can tell you that definitely it was in the early 80s. I might have the town meeting like I >> early 80s would fit. That would definitely >> was definitely the early 80s because
that was all residential. >> Okay. >> And I actually >> I think that would help. I think it would be good to have that. Okay. >> Yeah. If we honestly if we went back to some of those meetings >> from that warehouse there were there were a few presentations by neighbors
about the evolution. So some people have done that work. Yeah, I I but I actually went and looked at all the town meeting meetings >> when it got when it got when it got when it changed and and I have that someplace in here. >> Okay. >> Um but it was the 80s because I remember there was also a big issue about
connecting into chumps of water versus these chumps of water >> at the time and that I do remember >> that discussion with when I was a kid. So I was a teenager at the time. So it was the 80s when it happened. >> Okay.
All right. So, we'll put that on the agenda for our first May meeting. Um, all right. Next item is the possible pilot uh changes. Um,
so if you look up 195, 137, and 138 So 137 talks about the provision of affordable units. um talks about the ability to do payment in in lie of money
uh to the stabilization housing stabilization fund. Um, in part E, it talks about the discretion of the planning board. Um, to use that money
or disposition, >> what's the name of that? >> Property, >> housing stabilization. >> And then in 138, it talks about the standards for affordability and then the calculation and distribution of affordable units. And then in D it talks
about the calculation of the payment in lie of >> it also talks in number one about the the actual payment dollar figures. And then the interesting thing is that
in number two it talks about the ability on an annual basis for the planning board by majority vote to modify the per unit fees to reflect current market conditions following a public hearing and consultation with the housing authority. So we have that ability to
actually change them. The problem is is that if we change those numbers um using that process, we can file it and keep it on file, but then our bylaw has different numbers than what's on
file. >> So, we'd have changed that, too. >> So, we would either have to go to town meeting or what um what town council recommended is to remove the dollars completely in number one.
um update number two um to not reference those numbers in in number two. >> Um so that would be a change that we would have to go to town meeting for. Um
>> that seems like a good approach. >> Yeah. And then we can work on updating the actual numbers using this process. >> So we'd go through a public hearing process. we'd get input from the um
Chelmsford Housing Authority, the housing advisory board um in that process >> and and then we can that we could that would allow us to I mean if I mean again
just thinking of town meeting we could also put something in here that we would revisit this like put a bylaw that says we're going to revisit this every year as part of our charter >> so that way that >> some interval Like so that satisfies like taking the patrol out of town meeting but requires a planning board to
always look at this and always you know report to I don't know whatever the town manager whether we're going to increase or decrease or make any change like kind of put something >> we had also talked I mean we had also talked about not doing the pilo that we
really you know somewhere in something I read preparing today there's a list of the number of units that have been created from 2000 to 2010 and from 2010 to 2020 and that we are liable to dip under the 10% if we keep
building units but not building affording affordable units except for with 40BS when we fall under the 10 like it's kind of a chasing your tail kind of thing and so in order to prevent dropping below the 10% >> and to help fulfill the need for
affordable housing I think it should be incumbent upon us to to really require the units. Yeah. >> And the pyo is is in my opinion only should be applicable >> for the proport like for a fraction. I
mean, you could say you have to round up, but that's maybe ownorous to to developers. But if they had an alternative to buy a portion, you know, if they were doing 10 and then instead of having to do 25% three, they could do
two and pay 0.5 of the sizable unit. That seems like a reasonable thing, but I don't know where that would go. that would be in our policies and procedures >> and I think we should put that in as a policy.
>> So that'd be the third thing that we would do. So we would update the the bylaw at town meeting. >> We would go through the process of updating the numbers. >> Um and then we would also update our policies to reflect when we would want
to use it >> because I mean it's then it's not in it's not depends on who's on the board. Yeah. whether they >> right >> you know are happy to work very happily with developers or not you know
>> Yep. So that's those three things that we would do. >> Can a unit a unit that's deemed affordable? >> It's an afford they build a development. It's an affordable unit. That person sells that house. >> There's a whole formula in there for that. >> Does it ever become un like does it ever
fall out of that number? It >> does. So the the ownership units have uh have a deed writer. Mhm. >> The deed writer specifies the procedure and the um the resale value based upon a formula. Uh but there's also provisions
uh within the deed writer that are that mirror the state's um provisions where if a if an income eligible um owner cannot be found within a certain period of time, they can then go through a
petition process. uh whereby they have to notify the town the housing authority on behalf of the town and the state and it can be sold to a non-income eligible person. >> Does that do we know does that happen a lot
>> on the ownership? Uh it it happens um so we don't have a lot of affordable ownership. >> Okay. >> Um Equestrian Lane is is one. We don't have a lot. Um the um
condos down at 360 Littleton Road is a for is a first generation 40B. Um >> and so yeah, it does happen >> and have been unable to find >> income eligible buyers.
>> Yeah. So that's that's as you can imagine that's based upon the the specific you know economic cycle at that particular time. Mhm. >> Um my guess is in today's climate they wouldn't have any difficulty. >> Uh but there's certainly you know uh
recent past uh where they they did have difficulty >> really >> and this is within the context of you know David Hison and the housing authority being ingrained in the community right >> if they can't find eligible income eligible people >> uh that that's that's a that kind of you
know shows you how difficult it can be in certain >> would be a big hurdle. >> Yeah. But but we don't have a lot of um >> the only single family uh 40B is equestrian lane. Um 360 Littleton Road comes to mind.
Uh >> how many units are there >> that has uh I think 180 >> of so of the affordable ones would be like 35 or something. >> Um it would have been uh 20%
would be affordable. So 30. >> Um I can't think of any other ownership off the top of my head. >> Um most of them are rental >> and then rental. Do we we don't have that problem. We didn't really have that. >> Correct. >> Okay. That's I just wanted to make sure there wasn't anything that we weren't
missing on the back end that was causing our numbers to drop to. >> Right. Um I mean you know to your dislike of two families and three families I mean those are those are creating units that we
then need 10% on you know what I mean to to to maintain at 10%. It's not just single family it's when you subdivide them. >> Yeah. >> All right. Um, so we'll we'll start scheduling um and getting that into the
pipeline as well. Um, all right. Next one is the contractor yard definition updates. Um, so we started talking a little bit about this uh last meeting.
Last time we talked about these. Um, I think this one is going to require some research. Uh, it's going to require some, uh, creative, um,
defining, uh, some options that we could look at. Um, I'm willing to do some of that, um, and then bring something forward. Are there any guidelines, concepts, thoughts that
people have on this one? >> You know what? My John, you're going to you're heading to NECO next week, right? >> Yes. >> Maybe bring it up to like the other towns in our area and see if they run into any problems and then if they had any thoughts
>> because you have other handing board members and in collaborate. >> That might be a first step to see if we can And I think Chris, you said you were going to that planning board thing. >> Yep. >> I got a feeling we're probably not the only people that have this problem
>> or have seen it or done everything. >> Started doing some research and there's not a lot out there. >> Do they all define it like that? Do they have like the definitions like us or >> No, it's it's very generalized in terms of they don't do indoor and outdoor. They
just do contract. contra. Yeah. >> And then >> well, which which makes sense because we were kind of talking about it, right? Like >> it doesn't it doesn't because I think that the and for those that do have just the contractor um use,
it doesn't seem like they have anything else for some of the heavier stuff. >> Yeah. >> So, I couldn't tell if that includes it or doesn't include it. It really wasn't clear. >> Yeah.
>> And I haven't done a ton of research on it yet, but just some preliminary stuff. >> So, >> what would be a good source for that information, do you think? >> Um, you didn't find anything in Massachusetts?
just I didn't dig deep, but >> um I can look at a couple sources of Massachusetts. Uh council also has um access to a uh a word search database of
all zoning in Massachusetts. Uh but from a methodology perspective, you know, I think we're left with defining the, you know, top two or three um items of concern or sensitivity.
You may want to look at the home occupation bylaw for inspir inspiration that regulates the number and weight of commercial vehicles. You know, maybe that's a a methodology.
You may also want to uh duplicate kind of your fulfillment center. You have small, medium, and large. >> And maybe you can define based upon either square footage, number of trucks, combination thereof. And then um I think we're left with you
know um the type of contractor if it's if it's an indoor indoor uh condo contractor such as GNAV or what was proposed on Riverneck
innately that has smaller trucks. Um, and so it may turn out that the primary concern is, you know, heavy construction and heavy trucks and things of that nature. >> Mhm. >> If that's if that's how we decide to do the methodology, then defining those
characteristics are pretty straightforward. >> Yeah. >> That actually was one question I had was does anybody in the town have access to the IT um stuff because you need to be a member? Um, WA.
>> That's what I was wondering. >> They may. I'm not positive on that. >> Okay. Because that would be one place to look. Um, because they actually get into the nitty-gritty of, >> you know, how they, you know, characterize everything that
they would put into a particular category. Like with warehouses, they ended up creating like five, six different categories, >> right? >> So, >> I can look into that. >> Yeah. If you could. Okay,
I think that'll be a good start. All right, anything else on these topics? >> All right, moving on to anything else on managed growth strategy for old business. No, we're I'd say we're about at the
point of of looking at the scenario ideas that we've been kicking around quietly. >> Okay. >> It's going to be another meeting or two before we have anything I think significant to show. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Ncog took a lot of input and >> they did. They
>> they've been actually pretty pretty good to work with. >> Okay. >> They always are. >> Yeah, they are. >> All right. Moving on to the meeting minutes then. Uh February 11th minutes. Um Anita was out on that one. So Anita
will not be voting. >> Um the only thing I just FYI though on the adjournment it says unanimous 800. I wasn't here so I didn't vote on that >> though. >> You did you were thinking it. >> But I mean but I'm there with you in spirit if you want to put that.
>> Yes. You were thinking it. So that's how we knew it was 8 Z. >> Yeah. >> We knew you wanted to adjourn. Sure. >> All right. So, with that edit, >> then I will move that we accept those minutes. >> Motion by Mike to accept the minutes
with that edit. Second by John. All in favor? >> I >> I >> unanimous. Well, with one abstension. >> Yeah, with one obstension. >> So, that's six. Six in favor and then one abstension.
All right. February 25th, everyone was here. Mike, you were on Zoom. >> Yep. >> It said I read >> coughing quietly in the background. >> It said I read the letter, the clean letter from DPW, but I didn't actually
read it. But that's okay. >> You mentioned it. >> You said we got one. >> And it was Chris. Chris said, "Well, I understand we have a letter. Would you like to read it?" And I said, "I don't think I really need to." basically said we're okay, >> but AI thinks I did read it. So, okay.
>> Again, you would think a meant it put it in there. >> All right. So, I'll hold on the 24th. >> 25th. >> 25th. Sorry. >> 25th, I thought. Right. >> Were you here that day? Did you vote? I thought you voted.
>> She came in late. >> Okay. So, you didn't vote. Okay. >> On which thing did I not vote? Uh, >> no. Dear wasn't here for the uh >> Okay. >> For the rur >> for the what? >> Rene vote.
>> She came in at the uh new business prioritization discussion. >> That's it. >> I didn't vote on it because I didn't do my >> didn't m >> I didn't mull in. I >> You also weren't here. I'm going to say
this was this. >> You were late for that one. >> This wasn't the original river neck vote. This was the when they came back with the new plants. >> Oh, okay. >> Anita didn't vote on that one because >> I I didn't vote. >> She didn't mull. >> Oh,
confused. >> All right. So, I'll take a motion. >> I will move that we accept those minutes. >> Motion by Mike. >> I'll second. Second by Anita. All in favor? >> I >> I That one's seven. >> All right. Um, one thing I did forget to
mention um I don't think you have received it, but um our positive decision on the Riverneck Road um decision. So that is the subdivision.
Subdivision decision. >> Three lot subdivision. >> Yeah. Um that has been Oh no no no sorry you're talking about water PAS water treatment >> the water treatment uh PAS decision um has been appealed >> that we approved
>> that we approved has been appealed by the neighbor >> the 4B neighbor >> y >> and what's the basis of >> I don't know um uh exceeding authority is probably the
Yeah, I b I quickly read through it, but >> it's pretty generic, >> huh? >> I think arbitrary and capriccious was mentioned. >> Always is. >> Okay. So in this so in this case where the where the where the board has
approved it normally the town takes what's referred to as a passive defense meaning that the town will not um ask council to aggressively defend the board's approval and at that point it
would be the burden of the applicant >> to uh uh spend its resources. >> Yeah. And there there's a pretty strong presumption in favor of the board. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> I guess what was the applicant? >> It was uh for PAS treatment. They
applied for site plan approval in the aquifer lot coverage special permit. >> Yes. But what did what is the person who's filing upset about? I can forward you the I can forward you.
>> If you recall the the um the the abuter did participate during the hearing >> uh asked a couple questions and I think his statement was he just wanted to make sure that uh this project did not negatively
impact his developable ability. Um >> he was the one that was looking to put up the 40b units. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. So, so I think the appeal suggests that the, you know, the board didn't do
uh a detailed thorough review to make certain determinations, >> but he didn't bring anything up that he thought was going to >> No, no, he didn't bring anything anything specific >> because that that's all I'm trying to understand. Like, did this person even show up by the time he come in? He he
was in I remember I think the first meeting we had about it but didn't come to the >> good point because I think the board um >> the board has a a recent track record of if and bring something to the table that's specific the board is inclined to pursue it.
>> Well, he did ask if they were doing new wells. >> Yep. >> And the answer was no. There were no new wells that would encroach closer to his property. But to your point, unlike the other residential butter that asked specifically about tree cutting, the board asked the applicant to present
that plan. >> Yeah. >> So, it's a it's a good point. >> Yeah. No, I was just I was trying to like just trying to understand like like I glad you guys told me because I didn't even know that he showed up. Like I didn't even put the dot here because >> I don't remember a lot of any
>> other than the trees and being able to see the top there being maybe like it was very controversial. That's why I'm a little surprised >> because I remember him questioning whether like putting this in was going to impact his ability to develop the 40B that he was >> putting in and whatnot. But again, he
didn't come with anything specific or >> concerning just >> so I will forward you the the uh document legal document. >> All right. Um I will take a motion. >> Motion to adjurnn. >> Second. >> Motion by John, second by Mike. All in
favor? >> I. Thank you and good night.