get started. Good evening. It is 6:30 on Wednesday, August 13th, and I'm calling this meeting of the Chsford Planning Board to order. My name is Chris Lavali and I'm the chair of the board. Tonight we will be following the posted agenda. This
meeting tonight is uh both in person and actually do we have anyone on Zoom tonight? One member. Anyone else? There will be several. Okay. So we'll be both in person and Zoom. Um if Zoom fails at any point in the meeting, we will continue in person.
meeting is being televised live and recorded via Chelms for Tele Media and will be available on their website and YouTube. Tonight we do have um one board member um not attending uh Joel Luna um is absent.
The rest of the board is here. Um so first item on the agenda is public input. Uh public input shall be limited to uh topics under the board's jurisdiction uh but are not subject to a pending public hearing tonight or um one
of our future ones. Um those comments will be heard during the public hearings. So is there anyone from the public who wishes to speak in person or on Zoom? Okay, there being none, we'll move to the next section, administrative review.
Um we are going to take High Street or Height Street first. Um and uh take it away. Good evening, Mr. Chair and members of the planning board. My name is Douglas Howler. I'm representing the applicant
um Susan Hillman. Uh she is the owner of the property at 111 High Street which is being sold on Monday. Uh during a title search, it was discovered that there was an outstanding covenant that had to be released um arising from a subdivision
approximately 14 years ago. Um no one would have picked up on it. Um because really that subdivision covenant should have applied to only the two lots that were actually being newly created, not the third lot which this is, which was always in existence in the front with
the frontage and all the required setbacks, etc. So, it probably should never have been included in the covenant, but to clear the title, we need to get a release of that covenant. And I've submitted the paperwork to Evan and paid the fee for my client and hope that we could get that endorsed so we
can clear title and close on Monday. Okay. Evan, do you have anything to add? No, this is uh pretty boil. I think the boys seen these in the past. This file is closed out. Okay. Any questions from board members?
Okay, there being none, I will take a motion. I will move that we uh release the governor. Motion for Mike. I'll second. Second by Deerra. All in favor? I unanimous. Yep. Thank you. Just for the record,
everything you've signed tonight was your free and voluntary act. Indeed. Yes, it was. Thank you very much and thank you for your help, everybody. Thank you. All right. Next item on the agenda, NEMOG um draft of the housing production plan
and request for endorsement. So, uh Mike emailed me today. my community card that is um his u obviously he's not here with us tonight. His preference is for board members to continue to submit uh questions,
comments, and it's things of that nature between now and ideally into Friday and Monday. Mike wants to meet with the housing advisory board on Tuesday at 5:00 pm to uh review uh planning board input,
discuss with the housing advisory board um how they may like to um address any of those planning board comments and then my uh I would anticipate uh Mike back in front of the planning board on
September 10th. Okay. So, are there any I'm not thinking we would have a lot of discussion tonight on this, but yeah. Are there any pressing comments that people Well, I have one you haven't covered. I
don't know about pressing but um sound so loud with regards to the ADUs. We sort of touched on this at the last meeting, but I feel I mean looking through it again, I was looking at 2.4
and 3.3. um both express um the wish that the planning board and others um encourage the development of ADUs and I would I personally am at best
neutral um and so at a minimum I I would want to lower the priority. Some of those are medium I think middle priority and I'd like to make them lower priority. Um I
mean I think there's a lot of other I mean they're allowed to be built by right so I I think that's enough you know and I feel like there's other places where we can put our energy that would be more fruitful.
Yeah. Um and I think that was the sentiment from most people last time we talked about it. So my recommendation is to send your comments like that to Mike so that he has comments from the full board. Um because I think if if that
specific comment is addressed by everyone, it will carry more weight than just one or two people sending the comment in. And I will also reiterate it at the housing advisory board. Thank you. Meeting. Um I already submitted the comments. That was one comment I submitted to
Mike. Um, the other one was that what whatever stance we take on this, I want the housing production plan to have a caveat in there, at least this draft, that things may change once we come out with the managed growth strategy,
and that it may need to be readressed. Agreed. Um, so whatever recommendations are in there, if the the managed growth strategy comes up with something counter or like reduces the priority, then we go back and and readress that.
So I wanted I asked him to see if we could add something specific language in there to address that so if people refer to it they're they know that we're going to The other thing I had on it was and I I guess I'll send it in a thing to Mike but I just wanted to state it for the
record that like 2.7 um I I feel like it should be more explicit that one of the things we're hoping to encourage is um kind of a what did you call the cottage colony, you know, the missing middle, like it's
sort of stated, but I I just wanted to be more like concretely articulated that that is an objective of us in any housing production plan. That that bit of more affordable smaller village
village structures should be prioritized and sought. Okay. in any development that occurs. Not that we want to necessarily encourage development. All right. Thanks, Chris. I was just
going to mention um so I submitted comments again. Um if if you didn't have if anyone didn't have a chance to read it, I again not as a crit criticism of the plan. Just I just wanted to point out one of the strategies in there was that the town could encourage um house, you know, affordable housing by uh
possibly using uh utilizing um properties that are tax possessions that have been foreclosed. I just wanted to point that out that so the state legislature changed the law regarding how cities and towns can handle foreclosed properties last November 1st. Before that, after
giving the owner multiple notices, multiple opportunities to redeem or pay off the the taxes it owed if it went all the way to foreclosure. The town could keep the lot of land if it was buildable. And we we could probably do the strategy and the plan, but I just wanted to point out going forward it's
going to be a lot more difficult for the town to do that because you may have seen me a couple of times go before the um select board. What the new law requires is that the select board now make a decision to sell the you know to direct me to sell to sell the tax
position or to retain it. And if we retain it, we have to have an appraisal done and then compensate that former owner after deducting the taxes that they are owed. So it might be a little more difficult to do that going forward. Not saying it's impossible, but I just wanted to point that out.
Thank you. And as you were just mentioning that, I thought of another thing that I'm going to mention to Mike. Um the city of Boston and a number of other um municipalities have worked with the state to come up with a program to
convert off unused office buildings into residences. Um so that may be another avenue where we can uh potentially improve unused buildings um for better uses that might fix a number of
different solutions. So, uh, that's something I'm going to propose as a potential option to look at as well. Okay. Um, all right. So, just a reminder, make sure that you get those comments to Mike by the end of Friday.
Um, and copy Evan as well if you could. All right. Um, since it's not quite 7 o'clock yet, we cannot do the public hearings. So, let's get down to the discussion items. Um, take care of some of those
items. Next, the FY25 annual report. Um, I compiled a whole number of uh things that we did over the last fiscal year. Uh, I used my friend ShatiPT to help me compile stuff so I
didn't have to read through all of the minutes and it actually worked really well. Um, and so I uh worked on that and uh linked it here for you to take a look at if you want. Uh, but I submitted that
on I believe the week before last. Um, managed growth strategy is the next item. Um the select board uh read their um public
service announcement this past Monday. Uh they started discussing their representation. Um but they are going to vote on it I think at their next meeting next week. Um the Concom
started to discuss it. Um but again, they'll probably decide at their next meeting uh since they've got another meeting in August where we don't. Um so we'll probably get those representatives uh by our first September meeting. Um
we've gotten a few uh town meeting reps who have expressed interest. Um Evan, have you received any other ones that I haven't seen? Um Badre replied
strategic committee member and town meeting rep not received any feedback from any former 2020 master planning committee members. Okay. But I'll send a follow. All right. We also received one from
Nancy Away and I forwarded you another one that I got from there was one other person escaping my name's escaping me right now, but I sent you another one that was forwarded to me.
So, we'll have a list to go through um in our first September meeting. uh we'll see what groups are represented and uh come up with a a uh list of representatives and then probably in our second September meeting we'll have them
come in and start discussing goals and what the plan is for um that group. Sound like a plan. Any other questions on that? All right,
let's move on to liaison updates. Any leazison updates? I have nothing. Um, I can update you from last month when we did the center village one. Um, so Kelly from MCO was there. Um,
they were talking about the what they were planning on doing for improvements for uh Chester Street. um putting sidewalks on both sides, bike lanes on the south side that becomes a bus pulloff. Um looking at parallel parking closer to center square. Um they also
talked about that Mass DOT is looking at putting in two roundabouts where 495 meets 110 both on the northbound side and the southbound side. Um they are going to be having a bunch of like popup meetings to talk to the neighborhoods,
the uh community in regards to some of this stuff. Um they were talking about going to like the um Saturday um farmers market. That's it. The farmers market. Um uh a couple of things like the uh
Tuesday night concerts, this uh things put on at the CCA. So, they're going to be getting out and talking to the public. Um, they have been out already a couple times talking about uh bike routes and adding bike bike lanes in the areas. Um, especially uh between Alpha
and Emerson Road. Um, they also about the Cushing Place Bridge. Um, they are okay with not pushing for the bridge, but if we are getting money, what specifically can it be used for? could use beautififications
or other projects in the area. Um, and so they were looking for input from the planning board as to what that would be. Um, and then there was also talk about looking to see if we could get that area zoned um, as a village. So those were
some of the things that they talked about. And there was supposed to be a meeting tomorrow, but I haven't seen anything come up about it. So I'm assuming no. No meeting. I didn't think so. I didn't see an agenda come out for it. Evan, do you have any updates on that discussion with the bridge?
So, um after speaking with the center village uh committee, I did uh make contact um with the developer. The developer uh made contact with their attorney. I've had a conversation with their attorney. So, we're waiting to
hear back. Okay. I I'm confident this will this will resolve itself and I think based on the discussion we had at the last meeting on this that we discussed it the intent was the money would be used for beautifification
similar to what the bridge would be. Yeah. Center village identified uh several other options for consideration beyond beautifification. uh they identified using the funds to uh do a study or
feasibility study uh for a potential beautifification project. Uh the other one was um other physical improvements that may not be directly related to to beautifification.
And then I think another one was uh general studies that would benefit the uh the center village area. So that's all kind of to be determined. Okay. I think they were just they were brainstorming some ideas. Yeah.
I also dropped the ball about one of my committees, the LI um committee, the low impact development. Um we are in the process of hire of um interviewing candidates for
the consultant. Um we had three candidates. Um uh one is um well anyway we had three candidates and they were at least one of them was quite different
in their um approach to the project. Um and then we had some difficulty. We had very close votes on we made a grid a matrix of a number of
different criteria to to distinguish between the three candidates and um I think it was 15 15 and 19 um were the vote totals the low number being more um
a better score. Um so we didn't feel like that was a good um way to we need to go to the to the select board and propose who we want to propose as the consultant and we need to have more agreement amongst ourselves. So now
we're trying to figure out another another meeting to have another conversation to try and hone in on that a bit more because there's some question about exactly what is what is meant to be the work product and to whom is it meant to apply. So, you know, what is it
for is it for homeowners to wild their lawns or is it for developers in making developments and um so that's where we are. Okay. In the process. All right.
Anita, anything from your committees? Okay. Ch and the I want to mention the NIMCOG council will not be meeting during August. So, our next meeting will be in September, but I don't have any other updates at this time. All right, SHA, I don't
Mike, very dull couple of weeks. All right, a lot of people on vacation. Um, Tomcom met last night. Um, they the Steman Street um 152 Steman, the
solar farm for them was continued. Um 242 Bill Ricker Road started their hearing. Uh they start the the commission started discussing with the developers on 255 Princeton Street an
invasive management um plan uh and uh RDA for the next three years that'll continue next week or next meeting. And then I found out that on Thursday, August 14th, which is tomorrow, at noon,
there'll be a gap analysis update given to the staff um in room 200. So, um Evan, I'm assuming you will be there. I will be there. Okay, great. Um I'm not I wouldn't be able to attend. So, if you can provide
some updates, that'd be great because it' be good to hear what the next steps are going to be. And if there are any slides or anything to share, that'd be great if you could share. I know the conservation commission was curious about that same information. And any slides to share, anything like that?
So, don't have anything to share at this point. I figured. All right. Um, any other before you move on? Yeah. Um the next board of appeals meeting is September 4th.
Um that's a busy agenda because they took uh August off. Um our first um our first ADU application uh will appear on that agenda. As you may recall,
uh for people who choose not to comply, particularly with some of the the design standards, driveways, curb cuts, uh they do have the legal right um to uh petition the zoning board. Uh so that first one is scheduled for uh September
4th meeting. Uh just other items related to ADUs. I believe the building department uh just issued their first um occupancy permit for an ADU. Uh I think there's maybe a dozen that
have been applied for. Uh we continue to get uh numerous inquiries uh on a weekly basis. Okay. Um sometime over the next couple of meetings um I'll
likely provide um some council emails uh to the planning board which speaks kind of back to the housing production plan. The planning board's role is likely going likely should be
um to do continuous review um and amendments or refinements as necessary um and the um the proceedings on September 4th is likely a first example
of that. Uh see how all that procedurally plays out, how it plays out from a from a merit standpoint. all understanding that it's a that it's a do use and yeah um so I so just I wanted to bring that to your attention.
Thanks. Um I think it'll also be good maybe starting in September to start getting some additional updates on where we're at with the threshold and things like that. So as new projects come in, we keep that in mind in terms of because
if we've got a lot of onesies popping up with the ADUs and and stuff, we may run into some threshold problems in the future if we don't have larger projects also keeping some balance with the um
affordable housing. So I think it might be good to get regular updates maybe once a month or something like that on a quarter or yeah something like that on what our status is and if we should start
thinking about some of those bigger projects that we might need to encourage more affordability. Okay. Thank you. Any other new business or items?
Do the minutes. Yep, that's next. We can leave next. All right. So, the minutes of June 11th. Has everyone read those?
I skimmed them. Anita, you were not there. So, you can't vote. Okay. Because I didn't read them, so I was going to abstain anyways. What's that? Well, you weren't there. All right. If everyone's good with it, I will take a motion. I move that we approve the minutes of
June 11th. Motion by Deerra, second by Mike. All in favor say I. I. One abstension. One abstension. All right. And then June 25th, everyone's good with it. I will take a
motion. The only thing I saw on that one was my name is spelled incorrectly, which isn't a huge issue, but it's IE, not Y. Do you know specifically where? Um, I think it was when we talk about the Cushion Bridge uh place.
Okay. They've got it spelled M I R C Y. Again, this is not a major issue, but everywhere else in the the uh up the minutes it's spelled correctly. Not a problem. So, with the correction for Marcy's name in the Cushing Bridge
area, um being one change, I will take a motion. Move to approve the minutes of June 25th. Second. Motion by Deedra, second by Mike. All in favor? I will abstain. and one extension from
Anita again. All right. Um, we still have a few more minutes before 7 o'clock. Um, want to do the continuences? Yeah, that's a good idea. A great idea.
Um, so Chumsford Mall, uh, 265 279 Chumsford Street, 20 Manhattan Street, 3 Kacherina Road. Uh, they have, uh, submitted a request for continuance
until, yeah, this said August 13th on the agenda. I believe it's to September 10th. Yeah, September 10th. They're not meeting later. Yeah, we're not meeting later in August. So,
it' be September 10th. Yeah. I'll move to grant the continuence. Moved by Mike. Second. Second by Anita. All in favor? Unanimous. All right. So, that's one continuence.
Love a good consensus. And the next one is 191 195 Riverneck Road. Uh has requested a continuence um until again uh September 10th. So I will take a motion.
Motion by Mike. Second. Second by Anita. All in favor? I unanimous. That is continued. You're still not at 7 because people seem to have a lot of conversing that they need to do. We will take a
three minute break recess until 7 o'clock. It's interesting how the audio works because it's picking up some things and then not picking up others. Yeah, I know. a little bit dark.
It's a little bit It's a little bit shorter. She probably cut out that much. It was in Oh, thank you. I like the color, too. Thank you. I was trying to figure out like I'm like something's different, but I can't figure it out. asking. Great. It is 7 o'clock, so we will come
back to order. Um, first on the agenda is a new public hearing for 242 Bill Rick Road. Yep. Good evening, Mr. Chairman, members of the board. Uh Douglas Duchaine from Bin
and Nicholson here this evening representing Ford Independent Living and Learning Inc. Uh Till Inc. as we will refer to it going forward. I'd like to introduce the team I have with me here tonight. Uh first Daphnik Gordon who is the founder and president of Till Inc.
Um, Giovani Federa who is our engineer from Federa Engineering. Uh, Robert Pacion, can I correct me? Close enough. Sorry. Um, who is our architect? Uh, Vincent Nazar and Joe Pette from Avatar
Construction, which is the company slated to do the construction. Um, I'll just give you a quick outline of my presentation. I'm going to give you a quick project summary. You're going to hear a couple of minutes about Till Inc. Um then we'll go over the site, the proposed use, required permits and
waiverss, and then I will have uh uh Giovani and um Robert provide you an overview of the site plans and the architectural plans. Then I'll jump back and just give you a quick understanding of our hours of operation, our traffic and
circulation, our off- streetet parking, and then the justification for our parking reduction request. So we will move through it quickly but I want to be comprehensive. So um project summary um essentially what we're looking to build is uh
referred to in the industry as an adult day habilitation center. Uh and the the proposed project will consist of a new commercial development located within your IIA zone at 242A road. Um it's in
your IIA zone, but it's also in your aquifer protection district and lies within the groundwater protection zone in town. Uh the proposed development includes construction of a 21,57 square foot building to be used uh entirely by TIL. Uh the site
improvements will include associated parking, a small recreational courtyard uh for our clients, a storm water management facilities obviously, and then utility connections and landscaping. So with that, I would like to turn things over to Daphna just for a
moment to give you just a quick understanding about till and what we're going to do here in the town of Chford. Thank you. As you've heard, my name is Daphna Kraut Gordon. I'm the founder and CEO of TIL.
I started the organization in 1980. So, it is our 45th anniversary this year. And it was started in response to the fact that families did not have any alternatives if they had a child or any family member with a developmental or intellectual disability or with autism
other than either remaining at home, not having the right supports or going into very very large institutions. Massachusetts had seven of them where more than 8,400 people were housed. So back in the late 70s, that's when we really started the movement of being
able to create what is now a community-based system. And I'm very proud to have been a part of that whole u possibility so that now individuals really have many alternatives either for living situations or for families to get
supports vocational and be a member of the community. So TIL is a 501c3 nonprofit organization. Uh as I said, we've been around for 45 years. We have 85 different sites in eastern Massachusetts and southern New
Hampshire. They include 68 group homes where four to five individuals live together and really create an alternative family for them together with their family. They are all staffed. In addition to that, uh where people live also is important, but where they
work is equally important. So what we are proposing today is a dayhabilitation center. We have three of them. One of them is very close to here in Bria and that's actually the place that we are looking to build. We rent space in Belka and we always like to own our own space
because we can design it the way that we want. We can really have the flexibility to to grow to really give people the opportunities they need. So the day rehabilitation centers we run one in Watertown, a large one in Chelsea and a large one in Bill Ricka which will be be
replaced by the Chumsburg one. What goes on in the dehabilitation centers is essentially educational services so that people can be as independent as possible wherever it is that they live or work or volunteer. We teach life skills. We
teach daily activity skills. We really are supports to families if the individuals go back home or supports to their residential if they go back to our group homes. Um in addition, there's recreation that goes on. uh since you won't have a chance to visit our 85 sites. I thought uh pictures speak a
thousand words. So the individuals that go look like this. They might be your family members, they might be your neighbors. Uh they are individuals as I said who are born with an intellectual disability or at a certain point in their life they might have an acquired brain injury which happens as a result
of some medical occurrence or substance abuse um or any kind of issue but it happens when they are adults. So we help them to regain and get back to where they were. But the 90% of the individuals are either people who have autism or have an intellectual
disability. We're very involved in the communities where we work. Uh we offer employment for the individuals who are staffed. Uh there are people who are occupational therapists, physical therapists, teachers, educators and the activities there are really the things
that we're engaged in. uh we provide a lot of the supports to food shelters, to animal shelters. Uh we're part of the community as far as recreation. We're consumers. So we always feel that it's important that we really be value added to the communities that we are in. And
as I said, we're in 35 different towns. Uh so those are some of the ways that we we are part of the communities. Those are some of the dehabs that you were looking at and the individuals that uh participate and benefit from it. I don't know if people have questions or that's
the beginning and end of my presentation because I wanted to make it brief and not keep uh keep the agenda going. Okay. Thank you, Jeff. So, with that, I'd like to move on to a a discussion of the site itself. Um uh a
quick um plan here. I'm sure most of you are familiar with two the area of 242 Bill Ricker Road. Um you can see we've outlined the site in in blue. Uh so the site is 242 Baker Road. It is a 1.3 acre
site located within your IIA zone and also within the a protection district. The site is located less than one mile north of exit 79 on Route 3. Uh as you know the neighboring uses include office and commercial uses and I believe there
may be some limited uh residential use in that area but it's generally a uh industrial a use zone. This site has been designed to ensure safe circulating and a sustainable design that we believe is in compliance with all of your local
and state regulations with the exception of the few minor uh waiverss we'd like to discuss. Um as was presented uh till pro provides essential educational programming support and therapeutic services for individual
with developmental disabilities. The facility will operate uh during typical workday hours with minimal evening or weekend usage if any. Uh clients are primarily transported by scheduled vans or private vehicles and dropped off at
the facility. Drop off hours are typically between 8:30 and 9:30 in the morning and pickup begins uh around 2:30 and is essentially completed around 3:30 or so. Um essentially none of our clients are driving, so they're all
relying on transportation to be dropped off and picked up. Um there are no overnight accommodations uh uh proposed at this location. Um, as Daphna said, they do have other residential facilities throughout the state. Uh, but
that is not um a use proposed at this site. Our building will include offices, program rooms, recreational space, um, and staff support areas. Uh the building will include a kitchen area designed to support basic food handling functions
such as refrigeration, food warming, handwashing and storage of uh you know kitchen utensils and plates and supplies. Uh lunch preparation is part of the life skills classes uh which does occur in that kitchen area.
Um in working with staff and and our engineers, we have concluded that we need the following permits. uh site plan review, a special permit under your aquifer protection district because we are exceeding 15% impervious on the
site. Uh a land disturbance permit due to the fact that we are disturbing just over an acre of of the site. Um a notice of intent. Uh we actually had our opening hearing last night with the conservation commission. So we are in
that path uh in parallel. uh a groundwater protection zone compliance review by the board of health and uh that was question was raised last night at conservation with respect to PAS so we will be discussing that um and then
of course we'll need eventually building permits uh street opening permits uh with respect to respect to requested waiverss um I've got four five on the chart and an additional one Um
and and these waiverss are relating to the um parking lot design. Uh the fact that our two site egresses are only 86 feet apart and I believe your pilot requires 90 ft of separation. Uh a a
waiver uh for the fact that our pavement area is 20,000 square feet which requires 30,000 square feet of internal planted areas. While the project is proposing 1845 square ft of internally planted areas, however, we do have a,22
foot infiltration basin which will be vegetated in the front of the site uh that we haven't taken into our account with respect to meeting our internal planting requirements. Uh and that with if you count that we would exceed your 3,000 square foot requirement, but we
didn't want to assume you would count that. Um we'll talk a little bit later in detail about parking spaces, but we are looking for a waiver um with respect to the number of parking spaces. And
lastly, we're um requesting a waiver from the frontage landscaping buffer um as we have only 9 ft between our transformer area and the frontage. And lastly, and I haven't listed it here, but we will discuss it. Uh we are
looking uh for a um a waiver from your requirement for a full traffic study. Uh we have provided you um a significant amount of traffic generation uh information and so we'd like to present that to you and and obtain your opinion
with respect to whether or not you'll need more or uh approve our waiver. So, with that, I am going to turn things over to uh first um to Giovani um to uh go over the site plan and just give you
a quick overview of the um storm water system, which I know is being reviewed by um town engineers. So, um but we do want to just give you guys a quick overview of what it is. It won't
be long. And then uh Robert's going to come up and just uh show you the pictures of the building and explain the design of the building. Then I'll come back and we'll get into the nitty-gritty of the the parking and the and the uh waiverss and then we're going to answer
any questions that you have. So with that, Giovani. Thank you, Doug. Um good good evening members of clan and board. My name is Giovanni Feder. the principal engineer for their engineering based in Danvers, Mass. project engineer
of the project um representing Till and I'll just go over summary some of some of which uh Doug already mentioned, but I'll just kind of go over it. Um again, it's a 1.3 acre site located in the limited industrial zoning district and also within the aquifer protection
district. It's currently vacant and overgrown with vegetation, but it formerly held a single family house uh that was demolished inuh 2018. There are bordering vegetated wetlands in the rear uh that with steep slopes
that uh are directed down towards the wetlands. Uh on-site soils were tested by 10 test pits um around the site. They all yielded similar results of having sandy soils. Um sto uh the seasonal high
water table was encountered anywhere between six to over 10 ft deep, but no water was encountered during testing. Uh that the seasonal high water table was determined by uh redox uh within the sand. So, uh, proposed conditions, uh,
the building will be a 21,500 ft² about 21,500 ft² uh, building uh, with associated parking, drop off, landscaping, and a recreational courtyard. Uh, circulation into the site will be a oneway in, one way out with circulation around the building. And
it's been designed to accommodate a fire, truck, and emergency vehicles for safety. Um, parking. We're proposing 22 parking spots. Uh, one of which will be an ADA compliant spot. Um, van
accessible. Um, and there will be a loading zone um kind of somewhat in the front entry of the building that can accommodate eight vehicles simultaneously. Uh the the traffic that will be generated for the proposed use um is
estimated to be about 21 to 22 vehicles during the AM and peak uh PM peak hours um with approximately 107 trips per day total. Um that's based on the IT manual for an
adult daycare um which we are you know an an adult um dayhabilitation. So it's a you know relatively different use but according to the IT that was the most similarly matched uh use that we could compare um traffic volumes.
So for the storm water management uh that's proposed on site, we have two BMPPS that are proposed. There's an infiltration basin that's proposed in front of the building between the street and the building um that will capture all roof runoff and that infil that sto
that infiltration basin has an overflow that's directed to a secondary BMP. The secondary BMP is in a subsurface uh storm water infiltration system that's on the east uh side of the site that's under the parking lot. Um and all the
proposed imperous surface on site is going to be contained and controlled and directed to either one of these BMPs. And the system is designed to entirely capture and infiltrate a 100-year storm entirely with no overflow.
the uh recreational area that's proposed in the rear of the site as Doug mentioned um that will be a fenced in courtyard for client use. Uh the proposed landscaping around the site um if we could go to the proposed landscaping plan actually if we want to
scroll down um just to follow this is the proposed landscaping plan. So proposed landscaping, we have uh landscaping buffer strips along the sides of the property and we have landscaping u in the front between the building and
the street. Uh all the plantings that are proposed are uh drought tolerant and there's no proposed irrigation system um to conserve water. There is proposed snow storage on site.
It is uh outlined on the uh site plans. the snow storage uh will have their designated area outside of landscaping areas. It'll be on the outside of the parking lot um along the sides and uh
it'll remain outside of the 100year uh buffer zone, 100 foot buffer zone. Um utilities of of the site, we are going to be uh connecting to public um water and sewer. There will be an on-site generator
and um there is a proposed fire hydrant on site. Uh and for trash removal, we will have an on-site enclosed uh dumpster area and trash will be removed by a private trash removal company
during a regular um during a regular schedule. Um, and that's what I have uh for my presentation. I um am happy to answer any questions as we go, but for right now, I will hand it
back to just back to Doug. Excuse me, Robert. I I just wanted to give you a few tidbits from our conservation commission uh meeting last night. Evan, can you just go to a plan that um shows There we go. Any of those with the buffer. Um, so just so that we're clear,
um, the the Can you point step over this one? Um, this is our our wetlands back here and these are the associated 25, 30, 50, and 100 foot buffer zones. Um, we've designed this to meet all of your
conservation regulations with respect to uh setbacks um and no build and uh no building setbacks. Uh and the commission was happy to hear that last night. Uh their biggest concern was um with
respect to tree loss or one of their concerns respect to tree loss. um you know they're trying to so that we're we're removing approximately uh 26 trees from inside the buffer zone and nine
trees within the uh the the closest uh the 30 uh within the 50 foot no disturb. So, the commission asked us to look at um actually providing additional trees along the slope of the 25 foot no
disturb zone. Uh and also uh Giovanni mentioned the um play area, the uh recreational area. Um that's outlined back here. Um we're proposing to use it as sort of a storage layown area during
construction and then when we finish when we finish the project that'll then be um you know finished when the parking is paved. Um it was currently or originally shown as being a completely paved area because we do have a lot of clients in wheelchairs and that makes it
easier for them to access. But in discussing the conservation with conservation commission last night, they asked us to look at whether or not we could make part of that grass so as to you know provide more green space and more infiltration and also an opportunity to provide some additional
trees. So we I have talked to my client and we are going to redesign this. It will result in a lower total impervious um and some more trees. We're going to do a brass with some pathways, maybe wooden pathways for the wheelchairs, but
whatever. I just wanted to sort of mention those. The last thing was we had originally proposed to have the dumpster down in this area. Um, and the commission asked us to look at maybe pushing it out a little farther. So, we're going to do that as well. So, I
those are two things that you'll hear about when we next speak. Um, with that, Robert, thank you for waiting. Um, good evening. Uh, my name is Rob Pacion. I am the architect and owner of RP Architectural Studio and we are in
Wayland, Massachusetts. Um, let's just wait for the rendering to come off. Okay. So, um, looking at the rendering here, this is the front corner view of the new proposed building. So, as Doug had mentioned, we're a little bit over 21,000 square feet is a
two-story structure. Um the primary first floor which we can look at uh once we go through the rendering is is most of the program space for the clients and then the upper floor is more of the support space for for staff. Um looking at this front elevation here we've we've
designed the uh front entry with a good amount of uh glass um to to let lots of light in, give lots of transparency from the street so you basically understand that this is the front entry of the building. Um we've uh created a bunch of sort of curved overhangs to give it
again a little more interest um to try to really accent that front corner. Um on the left hand side you can see there's a little bit of a taller tower which we actually have as the stair tower. Um so we use that as a bit of an accent um as well to kind of frame that
front entry. Um the building materials here we have really two different uh sidings that we're going with. Um and the main body of the building in the back is uh a type of material called acre which is has a very similar uh appearance to wood but it's actually made out of rice holes. So it's a it's a
very uh very sustainable product. And then at the stair tower that I just mentioned and the and to the right of that on the other side of the of the glass uh entry area is um another accent area that we are doing a ribbed metal panel in a vertical orientation. So we
just put that on there to kind of give a little bit of a a little luxury to the front of the uh building to kind of really make it pop. So um again overall we're we're you know trying to put in as much glass as we can. So, we we put a bunch of, you know, fairly large six
foot x by six foot windows along the sides of the building just to let a lot of natural light in. Um, we have some overhangs as we go down towards the back of the building. Um, on that first floor as where that band's shown in this rendering, that is where the drop off area is going to occur. So, we we put a
small overhang there. Most of the uh the clients that come to the building get dropped off will be dropped off on that that side of the side of this elevation. And um about halfway down is where the main entry door for for their entry is. So kind of an overview of of the outside
of the building. Um planwise, so there's a lot here, but just to kind of briefly go through it, there's um a uh a number of classrooms on the perimeter of the building at the first floor. We centrally located the the teaching kitchens. So there's those two kitchens kind of right in the middle there. The
rear of the space is a physical therapy room uh with a changing area. And then the front of the plan, we have um more support space. There's a computer room, small office, small nursing station. Then obviously the front entry elevator is also located in the front there. Um
at the second floor, we just have again just some offices, uh a uh a training room, small kitchen area for for staff, and then in the back is a larger just program uh educational program area. So just a a large open space. So then elevations, you know, these are just
kind of your your 2D elevations of all sides of the building. Again, you can see we put a bunch of windows in and everything. Not as fancy as the rendering. So, um, just calling on materials here and whatnot. So, basically, that's an overview. So, happy to answer any questions. Thanks,
guys. I will, uh, run through the last of this um, briefly. I know you have probably read some of this material in our uh application and I know you'll read this at later. So I I again I won't get lost in the details but hours of
operation 8 to 4. Um we are not open on weekends or holidays and there are no overnight activities or extended hours anticipated. So it's pretty regular weekday operation. Uh tap staff typically arrives shortly before opening
and departs shortly after closing while client uh drop off and pickup times are staggered within that one hour window at the beginning and the end of the day. Uh this predictable and limited schedule supports a very efficient site circulation and minimizes traffic
impacts uh not only on Booka Road but within the site. it it's a very coordinated, organized, timed um operation and and they've been doing it at a number of other facilities and it has worked uh wonderfully. Um
traffic and circulation. and Giovani uh touched a little bit on it, but essentially um we've provided you our traffic circulation uh traffic information um and and this goes into why um you know why we anticipate that
we will not have impacts on on Bara Road. Um uh based on the IT manuals as as Giovani said, uh we're looking at 107 trips a day, 22 trips in the AM peak and 21
trips in the PM peak. Um the facility's traffic will be spread out over that hour in the day morning and in the evening. So um again, we we really have a controlled uh program for the traffic. Uh we're going to feature a one-way in
one way in internal circulation patent with two curve cuts. That way it's uh makes in and out much easier. Um the 48T truck can fully circulate the site as we've confirmed to you in our our filing. Um
uh and as I did mention earlier, the center offset of those two driveways is I believe 84 feet. Your bylaw requires 90. uh and we're seeking a waiver for that uh that difference. Um the site is located on the outer concave side of a
gentle curve along Bill Ricka Road which provides excellent sight distance in both directions. Uh the measured distances exceed 400 ft in each way each direction therefore satisfying your zoning. Um given the modest traffic
volumes and the controlled circulation and drop off and the compliant visibility of the site, uh we do believe that a full traffic site is unwarranted and would request you uh allow a a waiver from that. Um
and then lastly, I know you love to hear that um off streetet parking and the drop off design. And this is very important to us and is based on years and years of experience in operating these
facilities. Um, under your bylaw, uh, as Giovanni had mentioned, we're the closest category would be, uh, daycare use. Um, and that requires one parking space per four students, one parking space per employee on the largest shift,
and a dedicated drop off zone to accommodate a minimum of five vehicles. Uh, the proposed adult rehabilitation center is expected to serve approximately 80 clients a day uh when we're full. Um, with a staff of up to 20
on the largest shift. So based on those figures um we would be required to have 40 spaces plus the dedicated drop off zone. Uh we have proposed 22 off- streetet parking spaces including uh the
ADA compliant uh van space. Um although that's less than required. We believe it's justified based on the specific operational characteristics of this facility and the other facilities that that Daphna runs. uh we have well-known parking requirements uh at our other
facilities and and they are operating well and have had no turn uh problems. And then again, you know, um all of our clients are dropped off and picked up by either private vehicles or vans or other
uh group transportation modes. Um virtually none of them have driver's license. So we, you know, we're not faced with a requirement of client parking. Um the designated drop off and pickup areas located adjacent to the building is designed to accommodate up
to eight vehicles simultaneously. So your bylaw requires five. We want to provide eight because we are so drop off centered you know. So we want to make sure we are well uh configured for that. Um
additionally uh we do have a separate parking spot allocated for the facilityowned vehicle. We haven't included that in our in our employee. So technically we'd have 23 spaces. Um that vehicle remains on site most of the time
except when it's used for an occasional client transport or you know to pick something up and drop off. It's only used during business hours and is really not expected to impact parking or or traffic. It's a a
it's not a a wellused vehicle. It's just used for emergencies and and you know the rare occasion. Um all of the proposed parking circulation and drop off features are shown in our plans and have been designed to meet and promote pedestrian safety and efficient on-site
flow uh and in full compliance with ADA requirements and your zoning dimensional requirements. So spaces are all big enough. So with that um I am going to just summarize the parking reduction
justification and uh we'll leave the last page where we go into very specifics but basically um the proposed project includes 22 on-site including one ADA and the the one uh in-house vehicle that we talked about. This is
fewer than the 40 spaces that you require. However, for this particular use, um based on our experience and uh current operations at other sites, uh we do believe that uh a reduction in the
parking is justified. And again, I will uh leave it to the board to it's just too dense for me to read. Uh but as you'll see it basically comes to the down to the fact that um you know we DAP has been doing this in a number of fac
communities and um it's worked great and we've been able to operate. So with that I will thank you for your time and myself and the staff are a team are available to answer any questions that you might have.
Thank you. Evan, do you have anything to add? I don't have anything specific at this time. Okay. One question I had is the proposed Dover amendment use. Is that a question that we have to
answer or is it um I think it's pretty self-evident that it qualifies um the board um as part of your discussions ideally would acknowledge and agree if for some reason you have a
question we can ultimately ask councel. Okay. So let's start there. um since that will impact a lot of other things. Um does anyone have any questions or concerns
about this qualifying as a do use so it was pretty clear. Um all right so with that being said um let's take it around with any questions,
comments, concerns. Um let's try and keep it high level and brief since this is the first meeting. Um and we'll hold off on any storm water questions until we get um those results from DPW.
By and large it I'm I'm favorable. Um it looks completely reasonable to me. about the only question I would have is what would the mechanism be if the property were to change hands and go to a new use because we we might well be granting a
very considerable parking reduction and they want to make sure that if it came back to us if if a different use were to go in it would uh it would get back to us for adjustment and if I remember the north road discussion it would
yes we did discuss North Road. So the the parking reduction um waiver would only be applicable to this dober amendment use. Okay. If it changes hands, changes use, it has to come back for waiverss. Okay. And then other than that, I'm
I have no questions. Okay. Sita, um I don't know if this can hear me. Can this hear me? All right. I have I guess a variety of questions. Um, one of the things was with the curbing um that
they're being they're asking to not have. I do have concerns with that because when snow and everything else gets pushed up out of the area, which is paved, which has designated routes for the water to travel, now you're putting it outside and, you know, it's just potential for damage. Um, people for
parking over the lines into those areas again by not having curbing concerns me. Um, I'm not sure what that back area is that's blocking the wetlands. Is that like a fence? That is a retaining wall. A retaining wall. Drop off retaining wall or retaining
wall high. This the back of the property slopes significantly when you get back. So this is actually a retaining wall and then everything to this side will be contained and you know the pave area will be here and then there's no
disturbance proposed beyond that except for the new trees that we might have. So the retaining wall will be higher like will the pavement be lower or the pavement will be higher. Could you come up to the microphone please? Yeah. Thanks. The uh pavement will be higher than the wetland side.
Okay. Are you proposing a fence there as well? There is prop a proposed fence. What type of fence? Um I didn't spec out the specifics but we can hand you know detail detail that out. Yeah, because especially with that courtyard area being adjacent and if
that's an area for use for play or otherwise easily things can go over. So curious what type of fencing you're going to be putting in to just make sure that that area you know doesn't get disturbed. Um on the generator is there any shielding
around the generator? See it in that bottom corner. Could you come up to the microphone, please? Stay up there. Um, for the rendering shielding, the only shielding that it would be, it
will be on a raised curb. So, it'll be six inch higher. So, um, as for Ballards, no, but there will be curbing around it. It's not going to be uh you're not going to have, you know, the curbing will stop any
I I just more meant for sound. Um Okay. Is there And I also heard earlier that there was potential for some residential around this. Where was the residential that was mentioned? You thought there might have been residential, but you weren't sure.
Yeah. That Oh, when you were talking, you had said some. Yeah. I was just, you know, in looking at this the plan, you know, there's a couple of smaller structures on the opposite side of Bill Rucker Road, and I understood there might still be a couple
of residential structures in there across from maybe these entrance ways. I don't know. That's why I'm asking. Okay. I I will have to identify you that specific use directly across. Okay. anything else? Yeah, there's a couple. I didn't know if
they were looking for something. And the other thing was I do like the idea of additional trees wherever you can put them just because there's a loss of tree canopy all over Chsrid. I know we've also discussed in the past if they're not able to put all the trees, you know, could they potentially fund other trees in the town to be built for the amount
that you're taking? Um, that was something else. The You mentioned there was a fire hydrant on the property. Where was that going? Good point. The fire hydrant um is located right here.
Okay. And where is the area where the cars are queuing up as they're dropping off? That was I believe you said there was eight. So the main entrance of the building is pretty much right here as well as another entrance right here. There's another entrance here. But this right
here will be the loading zone. That striped area where the people would get out and Exactly. And what is the width of that area? That is 9 ft wide. Okay. And I mean that's that's good for now. I
Yeah, I guess only one other thing you did mention about the fire truck going around. Do you have anything showing its path? We submitted the it's in the plans plan with to the fire department and with the office. If you want to show it, you can pull it off. It's that's okay. I'm good with it. And it's in the plans.
Then the only other thing I did notice was some of the light on the the plan. Um I did notice there is some spillage of light, a small amount over the property lines. So a little bit curious with the designs of those where the zero limit is and if that possibly
so that lighting analysis has was completed as if there were no landscaping a landscaping buffer around. So the landscaping in pract in in actuality may have a better um blockage off the property lines. Um, and I I do
know it's very minimal on the outside of the property lines uh as what's shown in the analysis, but like I said, the landscape the proposed landscaping will block even more than what's shown on this analysis. So, this understand it's just a concern of mine plus the spillage towards the wetlands.
Okay. Yeah. All right. Yeah, we can look at tightening that up. Thank you. Um, and just for the record, I just looked on Google Maps and it's a real estate business across the river
the road. It does look like a a house but it is real estate office. Thank you very All right, John. Just um in looking at the um the out rendering in the front of the building um I may be mistaken, but it looked like I'm one in the front here in the corner.
And I get you you're doing a lot of glass to try to bring in natural light and make it look attractive. I the part that I may be mistaken on, I was looking at it from a distance. It looked like the glass went down pretty low to the to the ground in some areas. I was going to suggest would it make sense around that
entrance area to come in. Um, you know, certainly I realize a lot of the vans are going to be driven by people that are licensed to do that work, but would it make sense to have some kind of um ballards for safety in front of the just the area where the glass is so that
wouldn't be vulnerable should a vehicle for some reason go out of control and just seems like in the news we're hearing more and more incidences of there there is a a 4ft sidewalk too. Okay. Which I assume is raised.
We got a 4 foot sidewalk that would and then the 9 foot width and then that by the way just so that you probably met sorry but that will allow us a 14 foot free travel way for the traffic to circulate and then you have the parking.
So we we really think it'll keep that flow very well especially with the oneway. One thing to add to that, keep in mind a one-way traffic flow, uh, minimum requirements for the local bylaws is 11
foot wide traffic flow. We're at 14 ft with what we have right here. So, it's a comfortable um, you know, maneuvering around. Anything else? No, that's all. Anita, um, how many employees did you say would
be working at this facility? 20 at the largest uh shift. Okay. So, we do have full-time people, we do have part-time people. So, the the flow of of employees es and and and and flows during the day
as well. And you and we're proposing 22 spots. Yes. So, there's really not a lot. Um well, first of all, I think this is a great idea. I'm very excited about this type of facility coming here. I'm a little concerned about the parking spots
because it really doesn't allow for any growth um in services that you may decide to add or not add, let alone if you're having a vendor come in who wants to sell you a new software package or whatever. Um if you could maybe think
about I understand you don't need the 44, but maybe a little bit more parking to provide that um for the future. Yes. I I and and as you you you know as you know the conservation commission was
thrilled that we were reducing parking and asked us and asked us to look to reduce more pavement in which we said you know we're we're at a bare minimum here. So we will look Anita and and you know I this will lead to my next question about conservation because I am also very
concerned about too much payment. Um, you're cutting down a lot of trees. What 96? What am I seeing in the back? Because doesn't So, am I going to be seeing Was it Pine Road? Like where all the like is are there still going to be trees
there that are going to prevent me from seeing what's behind there? Well, we can we're not proposing to disturb any of the trees within the the no disturb zone. So, yes, there are trees in there. I'm not sure we show them.
Do we show the existing trees on the existing? Uh so if you could throw that up maybe you said you were taking 26 trees and nine trees within the 50ft buffer zone, right? But none within the the 20 and the wetlands,
right? So these existing trees which are only the larger trees you know we you know so these larger trees they're here's the 25 foot no disturb so all of those trees are will remain
and then the commission is looking for us to you know replace some of those trees um in that location and then um
these these of course are the 26 trees were taken down. So yeah, what's nice about this I I have to be clear though, I don't want to misspeak. I believe the commission is counting
only the trees that are being removed within the 100 foot buffer zone. So essentially when I say 26 trees, I believe that's the 26 trees because there's other trees. There's other trees. The trees out front, those will theoretically be addressed by our
proposed landscaping where we're going to be providing significant trees along both sides and in the front. So how many total trees are you taking down to do this project? You don't have to count it next time. 26 there. No, you don't have to count it now. Come
back with that. about 23 in the front 52 26 and 23. So I think the conservation perview is only for the buffer area. Yeah. We would be essentially our perview
would be the rest of it. So if we wanted to ask for a similar type of thing that the conservation commission was asking for one for one planting for any that are removed that
would be on us to request that for the front half right my concern is right now this is a wooded lot and I don't see what's going on in progress a behind there which is a mess and this is 129 And I don't want to see
what's going on like I like with this building. I want that. I still don't want to see what's going on back there because we have like that's my concern is to add value, not all of a sudden I'm d like we cut down all the trees and I'm seeing Yeah. Expose our, you know, the sore.
Yeah. Like let's keep it in the closet, you know, like you put a closet in front of it so no one can see all that in the back. I I I I understand that and um again, give us an opportunity to to address that. Um I I will say give me some more of pocking spaces for
that. That's my wish list. Um understand that not only are we not touching this, but all of the existing vegetation from this wetland area to the back of the property is going to remain
untouched. So you are correct. you know, we're we're we're removing here in the buffer zone and we're going to come back with you uh with a plan into the commission that's going to show how we're going to address that. My concern is our ability to replicate
all of these trees. Um, and again, while we can certainly frontload the here and along the sides, I I do believe the building will give you some of that protection back there. But if you walk around the building,
then we'll have that buffer zone planted for you. So, in adding to that, um, you you mentioned Pile Drive in the back, right? Yeah. So, our site is elevated higher than Pile Drive. I I believe off
the top of my head I want to say it's about um 15 maybe 20 feet higher than the back pile drive site. So that also gives a better you know um visibility a buffer as well as well as adding fence along that back retaining wall. So I do
feel comfortable there would be that that uh barrier. So, and on that point, does the the planning board have um thoughts on the type of fence you'd like us to put uh along there? Um in addition to the I'm sorry,
Evan, if you could go to the Oh, no. This one shows it. So, in addition to the fencing along the back here, we we are actually going to fence the entirety of the wreck area. So, it's kind of be a double fence here. Does the commission, excuse me, does the
plane board have some thoughts on the fence? You know, do you have any didn't spec anything because we figured we'd talk with you guys? So, I was actually going to get to that in my comments. Um, we can I just have one more question. Yeah. Um, I noticed on a couple of the slides like you're showing your other
facilities, there's like a cafe and gifts. Will there be anything like that here? No. Oh, that's actually a separate I do. I do actually. You need a you need a space to park though. I know that you can't be bringing in retail customers.
Yeah. Yeah. But I was kind of like, oh, that would be really nice to add there. That if I if I understand correctly, Dan, that's actually a standalone facility for your We have what's called Could you come up to the microphone for me, please? This is important
information. Where you get your best coffee, right? Exactly. I'm with you. Uh we actually have two separate freestanding cafes that are part of educational and vocational training. So one is called Essence of Time Catering Cafe in Hyde
Park and we have a culinary kitchen and we actually provide two million lunches every single year where people are trained under a chef and they provide the lunches to schools and there's a walk-in cafe and gift shop and we have the same in NSHA. So, we would love to
do that here, but it does get into parking and it does get into different kitchen facilities. So, um possibilities are endless. I am always open to new options.
Thank you, Dearra. I just wanted to clarify. I was a little confused about that conversation about residential. My understanding is there's nothing residential in involved in this plan and this property. None. Okay. None. My statement, and it may have not
been correct, is that I just wanted to give you a feel of our neighbors. Okay. And I said, you know, there's commercial, there's office, there's all the stuff that's down there. And I thought there were still a couple of um residents along the road, but I've just been corrected. They've now been turned
into commercial buildings. So, no, we're not proposing any residential. I was just Okay. Trying to give you a feel of the area. I apologize. Back and forth. Okay. And then I just would like to reiterate my um agreement with other board members about
the um the importance of replacing the tree canopy to the extent that you're able um especially you know at least most of the numbers that you're taking out.
Mercy. Um, so first of all, I really like this idea, this plan. Like this is, you know, something that I think lots of areas could use. As an educator, I see this is, you know, I have some of these students who are autistic. What do they do as they, you know, exit out of the
schools? Where do they go? How do their families support them? So, this is a great thing. Um, but also on the educator side, I look at this and I agree with the too. I'm just very concerned that there's literally only two additional spaces. What happens if you need to bring in extra, you know, therapists or people to work with these
um these young adults, these um therapies and other things like that, we are not providing parking for them. Um if their families need to come in or advocates need to come in to speak to you in regards to them, where do they park? Um we see this happening in schools all the time. you put in for
exactly how many classrooms you have and then we have to we forget all the support staff, all these other people that come in and there is no parking in schools for any of these things. Um so if you need to add just one staff member, you have one additional parking spot if someone needs to come in. So that was my biggest concern is that
they're really, you know, yes, we can reduce it down because they're these are they're not going to be driving themselves there. So you're not going to have all these extra cars coming in, but there are other people that might need to be coming into the facility um for different things or you might have to increase your staff and where do they
then park? So that was my biggest concern with this. Sure. Like to numbers that we're proposing for this site are exactly the numbers of the Bel Ricko place. So the numbers do work. I
agree with you. There's as soon as you have a closet, you go I'm running out of closet space and as soon as you have parking, you run out of parking spaces. Um, it is a fluid somewhat fluid. There are the stable staff who are there and then there are the consultants who do come at different times during the week.
The other thing is when the vans are not doing drop off and pickup, you really do have that that whole lane that's available for families, for specialty consultants to use it and they would be coming during the non-dropoff and pickup hours. But if you have any influence
with conservation, by all means, we'd love some more parking spaces. But I do know that it works in Bill Ricka and we have very similar numbers because these are the folks who are going to be coming to this place. I just ask a quick question. Did you all look at diagonal parking
versus the straight parking to see if you could fit a few more spaces? We did take a look into that and we found that it was somewhat negligible. They get you one or two more. Yeah. I mean, we can some we can maybe
look revisit it, but I remember when we were looking at it, it was kind of just like it's probably not worth it. Yeah, that too. Uh, it also requires a wider drive aisle, so we would need to, you know, ex create a lesser uh
landscape buffer, you know, so we're eating into the snow storage in the landscaping area. So, we'd be adding more uh pavement and it just seemed like it was wasn't really practical. This is in the overlay district where we
have you couldn't go up higher and less footprint because we can go higher in this district from like get you the same square footage but instead of two floors, three floors, which will allow you maybe a little bit more
parking, a little bit more greenery around the case is that an option I think we run into sorry the licensing that's required for this program there's certain people with different physical abilities or
disabilities that are not allowed to use the second floor even with an elevator so having there's certain people that will have to use the program space on the first floor. So, it's it's a balancing act. Um because you might have noticed on the second floor there's a lot of open space which is really
teaching training space and a lot of physic we have a big physical not a gym but really a lot of physical equipment and some of the people from the first floor would have to have their own similar space downstairs. So, it's a problem. Okay. And I've never really understood why
because hospitals and nursing homes and rehab centers are two and three floors. this particular certification for mass health and public health doesn't allow us to use everybody to use the whole space. Okay. Great. Um
so I also applaud this use. I think this is a great um great use of the spa of the space and unfortunately my notebook is just deciding to turn off. Um, I really like the architecture of the
building. I think that is really nice and attractive. I am somewhat disappointed that there's no shop or cafe associated with this on the third floor. Um, because I think that that would be a
really nice enhancement to to the community. Um, no, it's just it's fine. It's not oh power. Um I do share Serita's concern about the curbing up at the top part of the um the
plans. Um I'm a big proponent of curbing especially where there's plowing involved. Uh so even sloped granite curbing would I think be ideal up there to prevent um damage to the the
landscaping where there's um plowing involved for the fence on that back portion. I think um some of my concerns about that would be for plowing damage. Um, if you have a
a chain link fence, the snow would likely get plowed through the fence into the wetlands. Um, so something more solid uh that actually has signs no plowing um into this area. Um,
now that this is restarted, I can get my notes again. Mhm. Uh the facility in Bill Raa, how many square feet is that facility? 18,000, Mr. Chairman.
So, this would be an increase in square footage. Actually, Bill Rea wasn't mentioned in the narrative at all. It was Chelsea and Watertown. Chelsea had 13 spaces. Watertown had 12.
Um, just because of the mic exercise. Uh, Bill Ricka since it's we rented it's a big industrial park so we don't have designated spaces. So that's why I didn't list it because Chelsea and Watertown we own and we have spaces that we've built.
But I I know for a fact how many cars there are, how many staff there are and there's fewer than what we have here. Okay. So there's no agreement with that ownership about how many. Okay.
So the let's see fence fence um I also shared the concerns about the light bleeding across the lot lines especially into the wetlands. So if you can take a look at that um covered that
the concert Oh, the other thing I really liked um I went through the sustainability checklist and I really appreciate all of the the work that you're going to put into that as well. Uh solar panels on the roof um uh
potential uh lead certification. Um that's really good. So, I I really appreciate that. I do have significant concerns about the parking. Um, I actually did a Google map of the Bill Rick facility and there are two
different views for Google map that shows that facility and in one of the views there are 10 vans in parking spaces with their lift gates down waiting for clients and in the other one there are 10 vans. So my concern is that
if that loading zone only has room for eight, where are the others going to be queuing up waiting for their clients? I'm assuming that was a pickup time. Um because that's usually what I see the the transportation vans come a little
early and wait for their clients. Um so I'm I'm a little bit concerned about the overflow and where they would end up waiting. Um, I don't know if there's a way to have the traffic circulation go
in the opposite direction so that if there's overflow it goes into some of the other um, instead of coming out into the road, it goes the other way around the building. Um, so I didn't know if that was a possible option
because I don't think you can put the loading zone on the other side because that would shift the building too much and not allow traffic to flow. But if you change the direction of traffic and have the exit where the entrance is
now, I didn't know if that would help. You're sort of queuing up around the building. Yeah, you're queuing up around the building. If it does end up queuing up, I'll still overflow into the road. Um, I'm really I'm
the other thing about the trees. If there's a way to whatever the number is that are removed from the front, if there's a way to I know that you've got some in the landscaping, but whatever the difference is for that one to one
ratio, if you could add them in the back where conservation is also having you add those. Um, if you can fit those in there, that would be good. Then just in general, like I said, I I really support this use. I really like the facility, everything about it.
It's it's unfortunately a really small lot. Um it would have been nice for a larger lot with a shop and a coffee. Yeah, we can't change that rule about three floors. I know.
So that's that's all I have. Well, we we certainly appreciate your time and your uh your comments and questions and you know, we're going to go back and uh provide you next time we meet an answer to all of your questions. Um
don't know if I can solve everything, but you know, we will make every effort to address your concerns and Yep. because we are also excited about this facility and what it'll mean for the town. So, thank you and I would respectfully request that you continue us to your next available meeting.
Couple things. Um, I did want to mention the traffic study. There was, before we get too far into it, there was a request to wave the traffic study. Um, I think in this specific case, I don't see a really big need for it. Um,
because it's not a big traffic generator. I think most of our concerns were around the parking which wouldn't really be um called out in a traffic study. So, are people okay with waving? I would agree with you. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I'm good with that.
Okay. Highway. It's It's I don't think there'll be a big traffic impact on this. Okay. We're good with that. So, we're good with that. I I I I I asked for a continuence, but I didn't know if you wanted to go to the
audience. you do that. I'm sorry. It's okay. I'm sorry. Uh so this being a public hearing, um we are uh going to allow public to speak on this topic. Um if anyone wishes to
speak, you may come up. Evan, is there anyone on Zoom? No. No one on Zoom? No one in person. So at this point, I will take a motion to continue the public. Oh, yeah. We should do the letters first. Thank you, John. Sorry, Mike.
Jumping on this one. Okay, letters. So, uh, first from the fire department from Captain Josh Abbott, uh, regarding 242 Bill Rucker Road. Dear members of the board, the fire prevention office respectfully submits the following comments and conditions for your
consideration for the proposed adult daycare of 242 Bill Rucker Road code compliance. All construction shall comply with applicable codes and regulations including but not limit to the Massachusetts state building code applicable Massachusetts CMRS mass
general laws relevant NFPA standards and town of chumps and bylaws. The office will review the project plans as part of the permitting process. Fireflow a fireflow analysis shall be conducted and submitted to this office for review to ensure adequate water
supply for fire protection. Site access based on the submitted truck turning plan. Site access is deemed adequate. Any future modifications to the site layout shall require updated truck turning plans to conf confirm continued compliance. All on-site
curbing shall either be sloped granite or mountable to accommodate emergency apparatus winter access. Due to the identified pinch points within the site, the fire department may require snow removal from designated snow from storage areas
during winter conditions to maintain unobstructed access for emergency vehicles. We respectfully request this letter be in the outlined conditions be incorporated into the planning board's decision and entered into the public record.
And then we have um we have from um the building commissioner Jose Negron. Um let's see. Dear applicant, should this project be approved by the planning board, please be advised that the building department will be enforcing reasonable regulations relating to
setbacks, building coverage, building height, yard size as deemed allowed by law. Thank you. And then we have um two letters stating no concerns. One's from the police department and one is from the treasur collector's office regarding tax
compliance. And then the last one we have a we do have a lengthy letter from the department of public works. Sheila Joyce project engineer. Um I'll try to summarize this in the interest of time. Site plan review. Outstanding DPW engineering issues not addressed. During
construction, care shall be taken should be taken to maintain separation at least 10 feet horizontally from the edge of sewer services to the edge of water services. And it goes on to site Massachusetts um D and D standards.
When sewers cross must cross water manes, the sewer ma sewer must be laid out such that the invert of the water line is at least 18 inches above the crown of the sewer line. Um the long-term and perpetual care of the enclosed dumpster and dumpster pad
including emptying will be the responsibility of the property owner. Um if applicable on-site on-site areas with slopes that exceed 3 to one must have stabilization. Appropriate signage should be included
in proximity to infiltration basin prohibiting snow storage. Sewer comments, no increase to the town of Chumpsford sewer infrastructure shall be more than 500 gallons per day. The applicant shall use should analyze
sewage flow using title five to uh to determine required sewer allocation. It goes into a whole bunch of calculations. Um recommendation for approval. Buildings occupancy should be limited to 100 people in order to not exceed the
allocated sewer flow demand. And then and then the final parts are um ownership of all on and m plans. Um the storm water management plan must be must comply with D and storm water management policy. And then it had lists several
recommended conditions of approval. And since this is part of the agenda and everyone's had a chance to read this, I won't read every single one of those in the interest of time. Thank you. Actually, Evan, I noticed that the the
um never mind the DPW is there. The um slides that were presented tonight, can we make sure that those are attached to next agenda? Thanks. All right. Um so now I will take a motion. You have it. A motion to continue. And when do we want to continue this too?
September. September 10th. 10th. 10th. What else do we have on September 10th? A lot. Yeah, a lot. It'll be a busy meeting. 24th. We we we we're under a tight schedule and I promise I won't be
as verbose. We will be precise in answering your questions and we should be able to get through things pretty quickly on September 10th. We also won't have the zoning stuff. Okay. So, thank you. All right. Um, so motion by Mike to September 10th.
Second. Second by Anita. All in favor? I. Unanimous. Thank you for your time. We'll see you in a couple weeks. Thank you. All right. Next up on the agenda, 152 Steman. You're ready.
Take it away. Okay. Good evening. My name is Bruce Haskell with Langden Environmental. I'm the engineer for the development of a solar PV and and uh battery storage facility on the site that's known as the old Glenville cap landfill uh which is located off at 152 Steman Street in
Chelms. Uh it's located right on the uh LOL line. Um I thought what I just quickly do is provide a site overview off of the the uh the plans there. Oh, so sorry to introduce myself. Um but I'm also joined on online by uh Anthony Shaw with Progeneration Energy who is the uh
proponent for the development of the solar and battery storage uh facility out there. Um, I just wanted to give you an overview of the site and I'll just introduce you introduce you here just to have that because it sort of is hidden orient you on the plan. Route three sort
of runs east west underneath here. LOL uh Chelmsford line runs across here. Landfill is just just to the directly to the north of the site and the project area is in in here. The surrounding uses are predominantly office and commercial
uh development umvious along there. Route three on Parkhurst and then into LOL. There is a residential apartment buildings complex in l just over the line that's directly sort of in between the two um municipal landfill landfill
sites out there and like a laundromat. Sorry. And like there's a laundromat there too there. There may be there's a lot of businesses around this this area out there. Yeah. Right. The entrance of in LOL there. Yes. um there um the entire
property is about 31.6 6 acres and um the site is actually accessed through the l driveway um in l. So that's the the access to the site is not accessed off of Stemann Street. There was an historic access there. Um Blackbrook
runs sort of under on the property under Route three and then back out over Route Three. Um and it's off the edge of the extent of the landfill and the extent of this project um out there. The landfill itself is about 20 acres and was capped in the late in the 2017 18 time frame
completed capping um out there and has been sitting um out there. It's owned by a private entity Sam Banks LLC. The overall approach to the project is that the proponent progeneration will purchase the property from the current owner and as part of that process we'll
address any back taxes or uh issues that are um out there and then take over the maintenance and the monitoring of the landfill project which I can get into a lot of more detail if the board would like to hear about that. Um I thought it would be appropriate to give you a quick
site history um here because it is it is not this was never a you know a Chelmsford landfill per se. Um it was originally a sand and gravel pit. Uh it was owned as well as well as the low landfill site. Um it was operated for
trash disposal um as part of the same operation of the low landfill. quickly without getting to a lot of dates. Landfill was a private landfill that the m the city bought a portion of it after that. Um in the mid in the 1990s the trash was entirely excavated off of the
Glen View pro property and relocated to the uh low landfill which was subsequently capped. It now has a solar field on top of it. You can see from the various roads coming around there. As part of that process, um there was some material uh manufactured gas plant waste
that was found on the site. Um that was there was three removal actions of that and there's continuing monitoring of groundwater to determine if there's any remnant conditions um issues related to that out there. This Glen View landfill site is in its postclosure period which
is regulated under the Massachusetts Department of Environmental Protection Solid Waste Regulations. And as part of that, there's an ongoing obligation to sample wells for a 30-year period. Um, and then to do regular maintenance of the site. Um, the first step in this
project is to bring the maintenance up to date um, on the capped areas of the site. I will say the cap has held up very well. Uh, it's in good condition. There are no apparent uh, issues with it right now. It does require some uh tree and shrub removal to you know where the
roots may have gotten and um you know could potentially impact uh the cap out there. Um I just want to take a quick moment and talk about what the cap is on this site. Um typical solid waste cap and it it is and I don't know your familiarity with the town landfill but it is different than a town landfill
because it was capped in more more modern time out out there. So the cap is essentially it's a 40 mil plastic FML and I could share an example of what that is. So it's a flexible me membrane liner out there that is um got some corrugations on it to hold sort of hold
it in place. It's covered by 12 inches of sand and 8 inches of top soil. So when you look out there what you see is the top soil um at the site and the um you know the grass surface that's typical of an old capped um capped landfill. um that covers all the entire
20 acres of the site and along with that there are a series of drainage swailes and a storm water retention/infiltration basin. Um again I'll approach this located. So just to orient you again three is down here out there and the landills
here low lands up here. These dark lines are sort of the existing uh swailes and downs the bases down located here. Black brook comes sort of through over here and there's some pocket wetlands largely created by the old sand operation. And
then there's a sort of a washing facility broken down back here that was there. So some of these were just pits that were just where they stored water to run that run that operation at time that that are now wetland resources out there. Um we are going to reconfigure some of this basin uh as part of the
project which I'll talk about um in a moment. The area here that's important the red outline out here is roughly the is the edge as built edge of the existing cap. So it goes up to the property lines both on the low side and then along um sort of the east the west
side of the site there. So the proposed project is to put up to about a six megawatt AC uh facil solar PV facility with battery storage. Um if you could just go down a couple uh sheets there. Um the top that the the
solar facility on the top area. Uh one more please. Okay. The solar facility on the top of the site will be a traditional ballasted um uh facility much like you must have you have at your um your the town
landfill or there's probably 50 landfills across the state that have this. There's no penetration of the existing cap. The the ballasts are basically put on top of the existing surface and there concrete blocks are filled. You know, there's different structures for that. And the panels just
sit raised above those um out there and and and are put it just sit there and they're oriented obviously towards the southsoutheast to pick up the sun. Um there there's a lot of facilities that have done this very conventional very sort of standard procedure for that. Um
the second part of this thing is a battery storage facility up here that is uh going to be located in this in this area. Um I'll provide I I I realize I didn't provide a lot of information about that to to the board and I will provide some additional information about that facility uh to the board as
part of after this hearing out there. But the um side slopes of the landfill are you know this area. So the darker blue with the checkers is going to be a product known as closure turf which is going to uh associated with a power cap
uh specialized uh solar panel out there. So the real value of this project is the fact that the solar is not just on the flatter parts of the site that's going to be able to be in implemented on the uh existing slopes of the site out there that face appropriately with the solar.
So I want to talk for a minute about what happens with that, how what that is. So the existing grass surface is 8 inches of top soil overlying 12 inches of sand. The project will strip off the top 4 in of top soil off the site on the
slopes and then we're going to reconfigure the storm water and I'll talk a little more detail about that in a moment out there. And then this closure turf product rolls in. So I want people the existing liner cap not touched by this operation and there's design and the design is intended to
maintain that and keep that there. Another layer of cap of the same material will be rolled out on that stripped surface coming down the slope. So essentially on those areas you'll get a double cap. They'll be tied in at the edges to the um to the m uh to the uh
top and bottom of the uh uh where it's installed out there. that material is going to be overlaid by a turf material that sort of integrates with the um and I actually can show you an example of it. It's has a sort of a integrates with that um liner material and stays on site
and then there's a sand keeps it that's that's blown into it that keeps it in place out there. Keeps wind from pulling it up out there. Um this oper that closure turf cap has become the final cap at several landfills in Massachusetts. The one that's closest to
you is um that I know of is the one in Haveril. That's right off of 495 at the 125 extension. And you can see it you the side that you can see and the way you know is it's green even in January out there. It doesn't you know grass the grass doesn't die or go dormant um in
that period of time. So it's a proven technology out there. On top of that surface, um there's a proprietary uh power cap material which sort which which attaches to that system and then runs a sort of a solid line of of of uh
solar panels down the slope out there. There's spaces in between and things. There's wind deflectors and different uh things out there, but that will attach to that system uh to that closure turf system and allow us to put um uh solar
on, you know, a good, you know, as you can see, you know, probably 70% of the site out there, including the ballasted uh system out there. um that you know that that brings a huge advantage to the project and brings you know a lot more um potential for solar and use and you
know value to the project to fund the long-term you know maintenance and and control and and and work at the site um out there. As part of that project, we're going to have some changes to the storm water system. And one of the key things is it was the storm water system
was initially as is designed for the current site in 2014. Obviously, we're designing it to the current standards, the higher uh rainfall events that are that are out there, and we're going to, you know, change around some of the uh storm water uh things I'll talk about in
a minute. We're going to do some improvements to the roadway. Uh one of the improvements is to address a fire department comment about adequate turning and and and getting access out there. There'll be a perimeter fence around the installation. uh we'll maintain the 10-ft buffer from the
non-residential areas and obviously we're going to maintain well maintain well over the 25 foot of the residential areas um in l out there the existing I just want to talk about there's a requirement in your bylaw about you know providing vegetation and things we we
can't really plant trees on top of a landfill you know there's this this much cover on top out there but this area most of this area along here is You know, there's some several tree there's a lot of trees along here. We are not cutting down any any trees that are
obviously outside. We will have to cut down some small trees that are on the cap right now. That's going to have to happen regardless of this project, but there are, you know, any of the trees that are on the outside of the site will not be cut down on the storm water basin. There's some trees that have come
up in that area. come down for just the maintenance of the basin. There'll be no further those trees down in that area. So, one of the um scroll up a little bit. One of the things that we're going to do is you
know this is there's a sort of intermediate swailes here. Now, this product allows us just to sort of run it all the way down the slope and stable up there. talk about landfill cap stabilities and things like that, but it allows us to do that. And there's a large swale that
comes along here to intercept all the water and bring it to the basin. Similarly over here to bring it all to this basin. The basin gets, you know, sort of expanded a little bit in some areas out here, but essentially it's a similar footprint. Um it still will act
as an infiltration basin as a as part of the of this component, but it's designed for the 100year 24hour storm event. Um and we was asked uh for a third party review and process of working that
through out there of the storm water design as well as the nitty-gritty cap details out there how this is being integrated. put together. One of the critical things here is all the material. We don't
anticipate bringing any uh soil on and off the site for this project. We're going to strip some top soil off and you know there might be some grass that has to go to a composting facility, but the you know generally we're going to keep all that material on site. We may have
to bring a little bit of material in to balance you know some of the ballasts and things. Um, but we're talking, you know, less than 20 trucks of m of soil um out there. And unlike the prior project that was done out here, this will all be clean rock top soil, you
know, materials out there. Um, and any of that will be tested to ensure that it's uh um that it works um out there. Um we did start we did open the conservation commission hearing last night for this project. Um it was just immediately continued. Um so we will u
come back to them uh at their next meeting which I think is a couple of weeks um out there. Uh we'll respond to the fire department comments and work with them u out there and then we'll um confirm the approach to the back taxes and the specifics um of the project. Um
but I just wanted to give a a brief overview and then see what questions you have and I can dive into any anything further that you might that the the board members or the public might have. um concerns or or comments. Thank you. Thanks. Do we have letters for this project?
Yes. Um two from Captain Josh Abbbert at Chumpsson Fire Department. Dear members of the board, the fire prevention office respectfully submits the following comments and conditions for your consideration regarding the proposed solar photovoltaic facility at 152
Street. Code compliance. All construction shall comply with applicable codes, including but not limited to the Massachusetts State Building Code, Mass CRS, Mass General Laws, NFPA standards, and town chumps bylaws. Plans will be reviewed by this office as part of the permitting
process. Separate permitting is required through this office for the proposed energy storage system, ESS. Site access. The proposed access is not adequate as designed. A turnaround must be provided and truck turning plan shall
be submitted for review. The access road must be engineered to support the heaviest chumston fire department apparatus, specifically ladder one. Site maintenance and emergency access. The site shall be maintained and vegetation shall be managed around the solar array
and battery storage facility. 24-hour emergency contact information must be posted on site. All access gates shall be secured with NOX pad locks to ensure emergency access. Water supply site plans must indicate the location of the
nearest fire hydrant. A fireflow analysis shall be conducted and submitted to this office for review. We respectfully request that these comments and conditions be incorporated into the board's decision and entered into the public record. And then a letter from myself and my
capacity as treasurer collector. Dear planning board members, I have reviewed the property described for property tax compliance and have the following comments. As of today, there is an outstanding tax title balance of 93,4673 due on this property owned by Sandbanks
LLC. This does not include outstanding FY25 taxes of just over 14,417 or FY26 first quarter taxes. I requested that legal counsel file a foreclosure case in the Massachusetts Land Court against this property for unpaid taxes
in April of 23. Therefore, I request that any site approval or permits granted for this project proposed project be conditional on full payment of all outstanding taxes, interest, and fees owed to the town of Chumsford. The applicant is welcome to call contact the
tax collector's office for more information. John Souza, treasurer collector. Okay. Thank you. Evan, do you have any Yeah, just a couple of items. Uh Bruce had mentioned uh DPW has requested a peer review. They specifically
recommended um an engineer from Wesson and Samson. Uh Wesson and Samson uh has uh significant experience on all sides related to uh landfills. So, as Bruce mentioned, we're in the uh process of uh
getting that proposal, having the applicant review it, and then cut the check to the town. Um Bruce had mentioned some background information. Um this this represents uh a good long-term solution for this
site. Um while the while it's capped um it's clear that um you know
long-term solutions needed to ensure um the proper maintenance of the of the of the landfill. Um, and obviously this would likely serve as a uh as a good solution for the back back taxes that are due. Bruce
didn't spend too much time on the um uh he mentioned that this is um under uh D solid waste. While Bruce's um presentation was very technical on the on the land on the the
landfill and the closure and the the systems, I would encourage you to really focus your review on the uh the the zoning bylaw, the performance standards that are outlined uh for your uh review and approval.
My point is is that much of what Bruce has the technical aspects of it as I understand it are directly under the review and approval of DP. While Wesson and Samson will do a storm water review which is well within your
your purview and conservation purview, Western and Samson has also been asked to do a general review of best best industry practices related to the technical aspects of it. Um, but I would caution you to get, you know, too
involved in the the technical landfill capping aspects of this and focus more on the solar aspects as it pertains to the the standards and the bylaw. Okay. Actually also mentioned that this this did uh trigger a butter notification
into the city of l same exact process as a butters in Shelmstra. All of butters are 300 feet were notified. Okay, I can just talk about the sol the DP has a postclosure use permit application um that they they've had since June. We've
gotten some initial comments back. There's some additional clarifications we have to provide them. Um none of them will substant substantively change the project that we're presenting to the board tonight. That's I did have some questions around that D um process. You said that there's a
monitoring period post cap. Yes. Um, how much longer is that monitoring period for? The monitoring period by regulations is a minimum of 30 years. Um, there are landfills that have gotten to that 30 years and have not stopped
out there. So, it's it's it's a, you know, it's a minimum of 30 years. Um, this landfill was certified closed in 2017 or 18. Um, so, um, we still have a long time to go out there. Thanks. And does the work being done here reset that
clock or does it not? No, not it doesn't necessarily reset it. Um, you know, it's that 30 it's that 30-year timeline from the date that it's certif, you know, determined to be closed by D. Um, I guess I I just would say I I've got several landfills I
work on that have gotten to that that that 30-year timeline. They're closed in 1980 something and they're still doing some some kind some level of monitoring. Okay. Out there. That was my only question around the D monitoring is is I want to make sure
that whatever work is being done is still being monitored after the work is done to make sure that whatever we approve isn't going to undo some of the the um things that D was looking at. So that was my only concern related to
that. But I would guess this project's going to be done within that 30 30 year period. I won't be around to see it on there. So there. Okay. All right. Let's take it around the board starting on this side with any
questions. Um not really too many. Just as we look at like certain things I know like talked about the last project in a sec. How are you going to be able to see these solar panels driving on some of these streets around this area?
You know, I I was involved with the closure of the landfill before and we did a balloon test to show, you know, the height because you see it plan circles and and things. Um, you know, I don't think you're going to see a lot of this landfill from public roads um from
public streets out there. I I you just don't see it now um because there's buildings in front and it's set back from, you know, from uh the streets um and things. The one place you do see some of it is coming up Route Three right before you get off of the Drum Hill exit that you you sort of
see into it there, but there really isn't a lot of view into that. And that you know that the the ballasted panels are not you know they're six eight feet high. So you're not going to really be increasing the the overall height. So you're not I I don't think you're going to really see much um out there. Again,
most of our butter is the city of LOL. Yeah. I mean that's just a concern like with you know the businesses and the abetas there like is this going to be an isore you know in this area I think it's a great idea um but just yeah notra
um I think it's a great idea seems like a good long-term solution to um continued maintenance on the site and the tax issues Um,
I had a I was listening to a like a I don't know interview I guess with it might have been McGibbons, I don't know, but they were he was talking about whoever it was was talking about um solar fields and um putting pollinator strips
between some of the panel rows and I don't know in this case if you could do it at the edges, but that um that's been something that's been done on farmland in the in the Midwest and um
I mean you know there's a kind of a effort nationwide to rew wild some land and obviously if you have limited amount of um stuff right to to grow in the dirt and then you're
putting something other things in it but I'm just wondering if you could keep that in mind if there's opportunities for that sort of thing. I think that would be something that I would value. I I I will ask somebody who knows a lot more about what can grow and under
certain shade conditions and things like that that that might be something to do. I mean, my experience with landfills is some what what comes up comes up out there and there's a wide variet, you know, the grasses and and and everything else. I mean, certain sites I've been on there, there's there's millions of
grasshoppers for whatever reason out there. But, you know, I think uh we could I could talk to somebody and see if there's some opportunity there. But again, aside from the slopes where we're putting that closure turf, course material there, um, you know, the top, we're really not looking to reestablish seating or things like that,
but it's certainly something we can at least consider and look at out there. Anita, who gets the energy? Like does the town do we get anything from in the town? I don't believe the town gets it's not it's not a net metering like the town
net metering project out there. It just goes into the into the grid system and it's it's energy. It's renewable energy. Make all the money. Well, those definitely we can get maybe some of it some sort of arrangement or
I'm sure a couple electrons will find their way to town hall. Like can we do I don't know like this this is a lot of solar panels. Maybe you know bring down that energy cost. Well, yeah. Yeah, you haven't. Well, you're not on the finance committee, but like we look at the energy cost and
Yeah, I know. It's a big line item. So, there was something we could do to get something back to the town be great. Something some I I I'm not I'm not optimistic on that, but I think, you know, I again I can talk to people again who know more about this than I do, but I think I don't
think it's optimistic. And again, if the town had a had a water treatment plant next door, a school, it would be a lot easier to do this, but it's at the the very edge of the town and, you know, really not another use. And and again, there's the the credits really run towards putting
it back into the into the utility system and and uh and getting it out that way. Sorry to jump in, Bruce, but absolutely we can look at Oh, wow. Um, we can definitely look at that. I don't know where my uh voice is projecting, but uh everywhere. Everywhere.
above. But yes, we can absolutely uh look at that and if it's feasible um for sure. Yeah, great. Okay, great. And related to that, actually, John, I had a question for you. Is are is a solar farm tax differently?
They usually, you know, it's something I'd have to the assessors would have to look at. I can tell you another much smaller project than this on the town's landfill. Um they have a pilot agreement with the town in lie of personal property tax. So again, I'm not an
assessing expert, but generally um I believe the solar equipment you would either be subject to personal property tax. So usually sometimes the company will enter into a pilot agreement with the town. Okay. For you know, for several years. Yeah. Okay. Just
any questions for them? Um no, I think you know, as some of my colleagues have said on the board, I think given the history of this site, the fact that it has to remain capped, um this seems like the best you know solution that you could do at this site would be to to make it a solar site
generating site excuse me. Okay. I have a question if you can go back up to that on the top portion of this I think is where you said right now the existing type of soil would still kind of remain on top of that layer and that turf area
would be going down the sloped side towards like around by like route three and everywhere. On this plan essentially the top sort of left over this project area. That's the plateau with the ballasted system. Yeah. the the uh power cap closure turf
system would sort of start roughly start here and run along from you know low below this line around here and then along in this area here and those are much more lowprofiled almost on the ground type of system right how far out there I think we did provide in our application I was looking
at the pictures and so you know so catalog information what they look like but they're you know maybe eight to 10 inches off the ground total out there so and there's there's spa there's breaking them and spacing to allow. And then I do just have a slight question because I sit in traffic on
Route 3 every single day for hours. Um I know that solar panels absorb sunlight, but then there's still also potential for glare. Is there anything that was done to look at any sort of glaring that might happen towards the highway or that direction? Um because people do sit
there in like parking lot style traffic on that road. really. Um, so, uh, we did I I I will find out some more information from the vendor that provides because it's really the power cap system that you would see the rest. I mean, the one the panels on the they're going to be sort of tilted the
the wrong way to or the the good way to see that. Um, if it would really be that one little corner and my guess is that the sun is not going to ever hit that directly enough out there. But yeah, that that's a that's a question we can look into a little bit. And I do like the idea of especially where that lower
portion where that system is going to be. Nothing's really nothing can grow there because that turf style system has the sanded in it. Those are low profile items. I like the idea of possibly like the pollinator type of thing on that higher up area if it's a possibility because you know there are some trees that you
said that you're taking down and then to that again like the other projects that we've had for the trees that you're taking down. Can something else in the town be done for tree canopy? the tree. So the trees that we're taking down are growing on top of the cap because they haven't been, you know, taken down
before. So they sort of we're talking about trees that are the height of this room type of thing. So they're they're sort of uh they they need to come down to protect the cap necessarily there. So it's it's um not a a clearing for a development or anything. But I think you're also talking down by the bottom too where some of the basins
were. Okay. I'm going to push for trees wherever I can. That's fair. Great. Uh yeah, it sounds uh quite sensible to me. Good bit of power coming out of
this. I would ask uh what uh visual impact, if any, will there be on the hookup to this? This is obvious obviously going to have to make it into the power system. The the interconnection to the power system runs that'll be at the battery. It well runs down the road in the back.
Okay. I'm I know where it goes, but It's going to run down the road in the back and then it's going to go out the site driveway into LOL. So there's existing So LOL has a salt shed up on top here and different things. Okay. So they have power into this area. So the
interconnection is going to run out. All right. So it's not going to increase the the height of the poles or anything. No, you're not going to see it out there because between the apartment buildings and the landfill, right? Um, is it going on poles or is it underground?
Um, so it's it has to go on poles. You can't because the cap you can't you know I I know that's I know you have a requirement that you prefer that the the town has requirement to have it underground. You can't you you can't bury it into the cap because the cap again is 20 inches
below the the existing grade. So, we'll bring it on poles down and we can boot, you know, if there's there's going to be a poles a pole or two in the length in the cap area. Those can be just booted around um that area there. Is that like in that picture? Is that
what those the poles are? The one where it shows going up these little hurricane things on the picture. Okay. There's a detail for how that gets booted into the into the existing cabin. You mentioned that there's a perimeter
fence going around the project area. Is that is that currently is there currently a fence there or There's some areas where there is a fence. There are some areas where there are not out there. So the fence is going to be on areas that are on the landfill
cap. Um it's going to be sort of a more like a construction fence kind of thing with where the the bottom plate is buried out there because again we have the problem of you can't just drive a post down and then in areas where it's outside the fence we'll have um uh we'll
have we'll have a uh you know standard chain link fence post. Um, I'm glad the fire department asked the question or made the statement about the road because I had similar questions about the road. Um, in the future plans, it
would also be good to show where the snow is going to be plowed because I'm assuming there'll be plowing done on that road. So, for winter maintenance, yes, the the access road will be plowed to get out there and generally the snow will go over the side of the access road
out there. Um but at the top I think that's what you know where the turnaround would be. Um yeah that that's a good that's a good question out there. So um I mean the the panels themselves do not get they just yeah they just get left and no I'm talking about the road and the access. Yeah. Yeah. The road and the access out
there. I mean l I mean l runs so for most of the access road coming in that's their salt facility. So that is maintained as well as any street in the area. Okay. And then there's an access road going to the top
where the battery storage I think is. Is there did I see another gravel road going around? So there there is another road that goes that existing road that goes around here that comes out at the ba at the uh the basin right now. And that will sort of
mostly be maintained around you see it coming around the edge here. And you can get you can get over to here if you need to. So that was put there to to maintain the basin and access the monitoring the monitoring well network is over here so access that so that road will be used to access and
maintain that that that area of the cap and there's really no if you can see there's really not any change to that you know those those areas that road is okay and I think showing the snow where the snow would go
for that as well um because that is you don't necessarily want to add more snow into the basin um for groundwater collection. I would say that that road will not be plow regularly. I mean it's really a um
if they if the basin needs maintenance kind of thing and again when there's snow in the ground you're not going to really be okay going after that. That's not it's not a regular access road. It's really more of a perimeter right access to the back. And then for maintaining the panels and things like
that, I'm assuming a vehicle would drive up that access road to the top. Would people would the workers walk towards the panels? Would there need to be any access paths or anything like that? I mean, the the panels on the top will
have a a separation between them that they can get in there, but it's not a separation you could drive a a truck through out there. So, generally, people will walk. Um, again, these these facilities have been in place for over a decade and there really isn't a ton of of maintenance and repair. And what
sometimes what happens is for some somehow these panels get broken and I don't know what breaks them out there, but they get broken or there's an electrical issue and they can go and fix that and get in there with a small. Okay. And the same thing for the side.
Um yeah, they would just walk the the panels on the side are um there's a video that they have that they show just two two people just carrying them down and they're not they're not a you know something that that that
we couldn't you know some a couple of people can't maintain. Okay, that's all the questions I had. All right. This being a public hearing, we will take public comments.
Come right up. Uh for anyone um asking questions or providing comments, please state your name and address for the record. Sure. Tammy Cox, 140 Steedman Street. Um can we look at the Google Earth uh slide again?
Um, so I just want to show everybody these three buildings right here. These are town houses. There's 16 units. There's about 40 of us that live right here. Uh, right across the street, this is like Eric C. Foster uh plumbing just
for some reference. Um, this is the wetlands area. Um, so I do have some questions and some concerns. I think it's a fantastic idea and will be a great use. Um, but what I'd like to
understand better is um, if you go to the next slide down and should probably do it over here. So, primarily where I'm looking is we've got our 100 foot perimeter here on green,
right? And I see where um tree lines are here. These are the tree lines that we have bought for the um wetlands. And I'm wondering what exactly is going to be happening over
here with the storm basin. Um and also uh there is that little side road uh that actually abuts our fence which is another uh maintenance road in. So, I do
have some concerns about how that would be used and if it would be used. I can show you where that road is right on this plan. It's it's it's it's just right. Right. Right. Right. And so that's our fence. Yeah. Okay. Yes. Yeah. That's right. Right along. And then these are these are the town houses right here.
Okay. Um so I have some concerns uh about how many trees in that area might might come down. Uh we do have quite a large uh wildlife um uh ecosystem there with that
wetlands. We've got lots of hawks, uh owls, we've got deer, we've got foxes. So I am concerned about any type of impact that the construction or after construction uh would have on that. Um,
I also have a concern about the perimeter fence that would be maybe in that wetlands area. Would there would there be a fence there? No. No. It's around the bottom of the landfill itself. Okay.
And I know on one of the pages, uh, you guys were talking about, um, the view and stuff and, uh, you talked about the, uh, the tree perimeter. That would be, I believe, the tree perimeter for us, right? This these trees. Yes. All of the year. Yes.
So, it's great for six months out of the year when there's leaves on the tree. Not so much for the other six months when it's winter and there are no leaves. We do have great views of the uh of the dump. Um so, uh the last thing that I wanted
to bring up was about the construction. Um, you're going to put up some silt fences, uh, the the straw bales. Is that all going to be removed when the construction's done or is that Okay. And what kind of disturbance in the wetland
would occur for any of that? Excuse me. Could you speak into the microphone or have a hard time hearing? Sorry. So, so what kind of um what what would happen uh uh in in the wetland area uh when you need to uh do that
construction and put up those bales and then go back in and then remove them, what kind of disturbance is going to be happening? So, I can actually answer some of that. Yeah, the um the conservation commission um when they
look more details into the storm water um and the construction of this in the wetlands buffer, they'll be looking at all of that and they'll be asking those detailed questions. Um that's going to be more of their purview um for the the disruption of the wetlands and things
like that. Is there going to be any lights that you guys are going to be putting up that might flare down on us at night? I'm sensitive to talking microphone. No, there's no lights. There'll be some some lights around, you know, just sort of, you know, exit, you know, sort of
lights that you can see, but not not a spotlight or anything that you would be able to see in any great detail. Perfect. That that's all the questions I have right now. I could try to answer some of those questions. Yes. Actually, um, actually, I did have a question for the resident.
Um, when you're in your, um, the community area, are you able to see the top of the cap? Yes. Okay. Um, above the trees or through the trees when it's not through the trees. Through the trees. Through the trees.
Is there any view above the trees at this point? Uh, I don't believe so. Um, They're threestory town houses and uh perhaps the long building that overlooks that they might on their top floor which
is bedrooms. Okay. Thank you. I'll try to I I try to sket write these down out there. The Stemman Street access is the old gravel pit access out there and that's not going to be used for this for this project or we proposed to be used. It's there's there's a
wetland crossing. it would be difficult to get in there um from that. Um I will I I will provide a plan and I think this will come up with the conservation commission too of the limits of the the existing basins the limits of the old basin. Um there is no uh wetland filling
you know wetland direct wetland impacts all buffer zone work uh that we're proposing out there. The perimeter fence will be on the landfill and we certainly can take a look at the view from that property. Um obviously a little disadvantaged when the It's uh with the with the uh wetlands out there. Oh,
excuse me with the trees out. But then we can take a look at that. We can give you a sense of because I think it answers your question about the tree tree cut downs and you know what the extent of that difference is out there. So we can provide that overlay and some information for that and that view from both route three and
that development would be good because those are really the only two areas that in towns that would be impacted. You really have a hard time seeing it any from even that the houses to the west. Are they businesses to the west?
Okay. Take a look at my commute tomorrow. Okay. I hate to say this, but I've lived here in like over 50 years and I still can't find this one. Like I've looked for it. Like I always see the little one, but I can't find I don't know where this one is. Treasure hunt.
Not that I look for it that often, but when I'm in the area I'm like she's going on a hunt. Aside from, you know, maybe the town houses Yeah. I'm going to go into their their I'm going to go into the condo area and look from there. You have to go behind the buildings to
the to the west of it to see what's there. And I you know, it doesn't really look like much out there. For the longest time, I thought the low landfill was the Chumps landfill until someone told me that was Lel. I sometimes see deer by that bridge.
It's a dormant site. I mean there's not there's not a lot of activity out there and it won't be you know are there any other any other public comments anything on Zoom. All right. So at this point I think um we'll I will
take a motion to continue it probably to Evan. What do you think on the timing on the storm water? Yeah, I mean I had indicated to Weston uh to try to target uh the 910 meeting.
Um I don't I think that's still doable. Okay. I was hoping you'd say the second September meeting. Uh let's let's continue to 910 and let's see let's see what happens. Okay. All right. And I'll move to continue
until uh meeting on September. All right. Motion by Mike. Second. Second by Anita. All in favor? I unanimous. Very much. I look forward to working with you again. Thank you. Thank you for your time. Thank you. By then, conservation will have met on
it twice. Um, all right. They're not taking any time out. No, they're not. The next item on our agenda is the proposed zoning bylaw amendments. uh new
public um hearing and I will explain this one. Um so as the town council reviewed our um language for town meeting, um he
realized that there are some things we neglected to put in um the parking lot accessory use. While we discussed the changes to the table for the CBLT,
technically have to carry that line item across all of the other um districts. Same thing for ultralight manufacturing. Um so the ultralight manufacturing and the two different parking lot accessory
uses have to be carried across the entire um table. So, housekeeping. Yeah, it's a bit of housekeeping. Um, I would like to open this and close it almost immediately because it really is
just housekeeping. Um both this one and the um continued bylaw hearing should be closed tonight uh because the select board is meeting on the 8th I believe
Evan um to uh vote on the amendments or the articles um and we kind of need to have this buttoned up by then um I don't need to be open twice N
something I made up in my head. So, I just had a question on So, before we get to that, I I'm going to explain this and I will probably answer my question. Probably answer your question. Okay. So on the first accessory use, um
it's really just a yes on CB light and no across the board because we really aren't thinking about this yet in the other areas. Um if we want it in the other areas, we can add that to the list of things we talk about in future um
meetings. Um but it really is something we were only considering for this zone. Same thing for the second parking lot accessory use. Slightly different for the ultra light manufacturing. We did talk about it in the CBLT. Um
and I also put in yes for IIA is and for the CB special permit. The reason why I did this is because the light manufacturing um which is a heavier use and more
disruptive has those same indicators in those same zones. So it makes sense from a logical perspective I think to have the lighter impact use also allowed in the same way in those same zones. So by
right it would be allowed in IIA and is and then by special permit in the CB. I think that makes sense. It does. You may want to have a slide that first town meeting that like shows that we currently have
normal manufacturing. Yeah. In Mrs. Fite because Y um I still have a question though. I'm when I read number 10, everything's the same as number 11 except at line D38 and as line 22. What's the difference?
I think D, if I remember correctly, is commercial accessory use and E is industrial accessory use. We added two separate accessory uses. Okay. So, we may need to explain that.
Yep. Oh, yeah. I'll cover all of that in the slides. Lots of explaining to do. Yeah. And my intent is to fold all of this into one package. So, they're technically two separate hearings here, but it'll be one package
in the town meeting, and I'll explain more on that soon. Did we get the names of those people that actually said this was a good idea the last meeting so we can invite them personally invite them to the town? Yeah. Everyone at the mill. All right. So, any other questions or comments on this one?
This is a new public hearing. Yes, I know. I I've got to open it up to Yeah. But any questions or comments on this from the board before I open it up? Looks good. Any comments from the public on Huh?
Do we have to open this up to the public? Did we open it? Yeah. Oh, I did. Um, are there any public comments on this specific public hearing?
Any on Zoom? Okay, there being none. I will take a motion close the public hearing. Thank you. Second. Second for uh motion by Mike, second by Deardra. All in favor? I. All right. Public hearing is opened and
closed pretty quickly. Moving on to this next public hearing. Um so this public hearing um is a continuation of all of the other zoning changes that we have
been considering. Um I did um we did attach the email from Lheed Martin to the the um agenda as well so that people can see that. And then we al I also asked Evan to attach the legal format um
document which is up on the screen. Now my thought for town meeting is to present. So, what I did for this document is I also pulled in the changes that we just um approved
um and I combined all of the CB light zoning changes into essentially one presentation
that I don't know the logistics of town meeting, but I would like to either do a consent agenda or vote on them as one package. What's that? What's the likelihood though? Because they like to at the town meeting,
they'll vote when you do packages. No, a lot of times then you lose out on some of the stuff they've been trying to push. And I thought about that, which is why I pulled Kate's Corner out of this because this really is about the CB light zoning and all of the minutiae
details that we have to do in order to do the zoning. Create a new zone. Yeah. If if we separate these out and one fails, it all fails because we have to do all of these changes in order to do this zone. So that's why I kind of want
to try and have it voted on as a package deal for the one through 12 changes. Go one through. So one is what? This is number two. So one is to
add the district itself. Yeah. Number two is to add the table. Add the table. All these or the lines in the table. Yep. um and the footnotes. Three is to add the dimensional
requirements. Yep. Four is to add the SEAD dimensional standards. Yep. Um five is to change the applicability. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Six is property lines.
Seven is street frontage. Eight is dimensional standards. Nine is the manufacturing light definition and ultra light definition. 10, 11, and 12 are the ones we just talked about.
And that is essentially the package deal for this zone. Yeah, the only thing I would I would I think that's Yeah, definitely. The only thing may want to think about separating is the
ultralight manufacturing and defining that because that if that's taken separately. Say they say no to everything else and we get this defined at least we have it there and then we could always propose it for current
zones like changing their current zoning. Just a thought. Yeah. that in order to say yes to everything, you need those definitions as part of it. Okay. If you do the definitions first, it it's out of context.
And the whole reason why we're doing these is for the zone. I Yeah. Oh, then so I I couldn't see how to split it up and make it make sense if something fails. Yeah, I I can't imagine someone's like going to want to vote like on
dimensional requirements and not on depends what they're voting on before. You never know. That other one they're changing hopefully comes after this one. Where does the family one? So then yeah, let's do this one first, please. Yeah. So then we get into applying that new
zone um to Kate's Corner. Then we get into the massage massage definition. Oh, Tommy is gonna hate us. Then we get into family. Then we get into school impacts. Then we
get into ADU and that's the end of it. Just shot. We just shot a whole M of us. Yes, they are. really only five if you consider the first 12 is one big article. All right. Is there any way to push those two that they didn't like last time all the way
to the end? We could maybe they're going to get angry. We don't need to make any of those decisions tonight. Okay. Oh my glad you're a share.
Me too. All right. Any comments, questions, anything like that from the board before we open it up one last time to the public? I think we're as ready as ever. Dead horse. Yeah. All right.
What did they say about a dead horse who should be uh disposed of with minimum fanfare and maximum dispatch? I just want to add that um I kind of brushed upon it lately. Um you added the response from Lheed Martin. They did. I
just want to kind of like summarize it. They in the last meeting people had some concerns about light, sound and they, you know, Locky Martin did go around um they've identified some areas to um I think fix or remediate they're
going to do for the sound. Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm kind of trying to go off of memory here what I read. Um they're building some metal welding walls. Yep. To to do that. and they're looking at all their lighting fixtures around to u make sure that it's not encroaching on
anybody's property. I think that question sorry I'm sorry for Loheed Martin. There was some mention of having another neighborhood meeting. She that was on my list too.
And soles for Loheed Martin. Um, yes, we are in the process of setting up the meeting, but we decided that we were actually going to do it in September and not in August so that we would make sure we would get more of a turnout. And at the last meeting, we had it at the Baym School, so we wanted to do that as well.
And the school is currently not in session. So, that is in process and it will happen. It's just going to be after Labor Day. And also, I would just like to say And I want to echo Anita's comments that um the the work you put into fixing
those and addressing those problems is really appreciated by the board. So, thank you. Um I'm sure that the neighborhood's appreciative as well. All right. Any other comments from the public? Nothing on Zoom.
All right. So I will happily take a motion to close the public hearing on all of this stuff. Second on all of this stuff. All right. Motion by Mike, second by
Anita. All in favor? I. And what I just realized is we actually didn't vote on the um articles. So, you know what the probably what needs to be done tonight is a motion to
um forward the articles um forward the articles to the select board to be included in the signed warrant. You can you can take formal a vote of recommendations tonight if you want or you can we should take we should take a recommendation like at this point just
take it so that way that way the select board has everything. All right. So I'll take probably one motion to forward this to the select board. Okay. Motion to forward from Mike, second by Deudra.
I I unanimous. And a motion that the planning board recommend what we have just sent to the endorse our our articles. Yes, we endorse them. Okay. Motion by Mike.
Second by Deedra. All in favor? I. Great. Unanimous. Congrats. That was a lot of work done there. Yes. Thank you, everyone. Very well done, too, I'm all right. I learned a lot.
So, the Chilford Mall, Riverneck, we're done. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Anything like these people disappointed. Um, I noticed some people.
Are there any other issues that do we want to do public a public comment on the saying that there's supposed to be the planning board uh tonight for the Chumsson Mall. So that was continued to next meeting.
Um where when up here up here I know the speaker is in the back. I it's past my bedtime. I'm old. So that go I'm with you. So around 7:00 we continue that uh to
next meeting. So there's no public no um presentation or discussion on that tonight. Um there was a request to continue it without discuss was wrong and I guess I didn't hear you earlier. Sorry about that. I've been here since 6:30, you know. So you know all about how we work.
So now you know what's going on tonight. I got it all tonight. My apologies. When is it going to be? um September 10th. Oh, the next updated website for the agendas. It did say request for continuation. The agenda got gets updated sometimes if
that happens. So So check the agenda online. Oh, on the day on the date of On the day of the meeting. Oh, because I don't go online. Well, if you if you come here downstairs on the wall, it's okay. So I can't make my statement. Huh?
Unfortunately, not tonight. Okay, I'll mark it down. So, it will if it's changed, it will be on the on the website or you is that call town hall. I can do that. Thanks. Thank you. Good night.
All right. So, our next meeting, so just as a reminder, we don't have any more meetings for the rest of August. We have canceled that. We want the next one to be at 6:30. Yes. Pretty darn big. huge 6:30 uh September 10th. Um we've got a
pretty significant agenda. Um but at least we don't have the zoning stuff. That's good. Heavier stuff. Really nice work on that. Thank you. Um I will take a look at what
items we do have not continued. Um I'm assuming some things will likely get continued. Maybe hopefully the four regulatory items will likely be actively on the agenda. Four reg
and the two that you continued this evening. So I will try and I'll take a look at what we've got on the agenda and um probably limit time on each one um to either I don't know if we can but
limit time or limit the topic. Yeah, it'll depend on what we get. Does that continue it forward though? Because if you don't get all your stuff that you want to ask. Yeah, but like if we like if we take it in I don't again I don't know like we have the traffic report for instance for Yeah, we'll focus it on traffic.
It'll be just for traffic and we just need to say like put that in the agenda. We're only focusing on traffic and then it would continue on and then yeah or yeah so we'll see what information we get for each thing and I will make a decision hopefully early on with Evan on
Thursday um beforehand about what we might focus on whether we focus on things or we limit time or do a little bit of both so we're not going till 11 o'clock one week another I'll encourage it yeah for for each of them.
I'll take it. Some consultants would prefer not to be on a busy agenda. Yeah. Maybe their scheduling and what have you, especially if things come in on a Monday for that agenda. Um if if it looks like things will come in on a Monday, if you
can see if they will be willing to continue. Absolutely. Um because having to review that much information on a Monday with that big of an agenda is going to be challenging. especially with all of the time we have prior to
that. So, all right. So, I'll take one last motion tonight. Motion to adjurnn. Oh, John's got it. Motion to adjurnn. All in favor? Hi thank