e e e e e it's 6:01 so uh this meeting is called to order at 6:01 on Tuesday March 4th 2025 uh this meeting will be live on
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item or a topic within the jurisdiction of the Board of Health anyone speaking tonight on topic of 47 Market tobacco violation please defer your comments to The Limited public comment SE ction under the hearing uh for 47 Market
tobacco violation of tonight's meeting anyone speaking tonight on the topic of katum please defer your comments to The Limited public comment section under the hearing regarding katum of tonight's meeting each speaker will be called upon an order and will be given three minutes
to speak each speaker is to State their name address whether you are speaking on behalf of yourself or another such as a chord board committee client or organization only one person per organization will be approved to speak on the same topic I am the chair of the
Board of Health each speaker is to address me directly there are not to be any conversations without going through the chair so first item on tonight's meeting is approval of the minutes of February
4th 2024 if there's no discussion I'll move to accept the minutes as written okay do I have a second second uh all in favor I I I unanimous okay meeting improvements are done so we're at
general public comment section is there anybody that's not here for the two main things which I don't think there is uh should we give it a minute just to
make sure no one walks in for a second and then we're going close the open general public comment motion to close open public comment second do I have a second all in favor hi hi
okay three is done okay four hearing 47 Market tobacco violation call upon the representative from 47 Market please state your name in connection to
47 Market okay yes please thank you thank you my name is Glenn KY I'm an attorney I'm representing Mr kurana who owns 47 Market Street okay um I'll try to keep this brief
um when the board finds people anybody who the government is imposing their will upon deserves evidence in this I have emails which I believe Mr borgard um who I know was a faithful servant of this town and works
of tobacco thing admits there's no receipt of this alleged sale you present an affid David who is we don't know who the affid affiant is under the Sixth Amendment of the Constitution anybody has a right to confront their accuser
the accuser is not Mr borgard he's not the person who supposedly bought the product the person who bought the product remains unknown he can never be subject to cross-examination the the affidavit is pre-filled and he simply fills in some slots and then on one of the parts where
it says one inside the store I and has a through D was uh Dressed in my normal fashion did not have an idea none of that Circle the out so did he do all of it or none of it there's no way for us to even know that the man even is only 20 years old now I'm not saying that
anybody here is doing anything malicious but I want you to put yourself in the place of a business owner we're going to find you on what evidence somebody purchased something where's the receipt we don't have one where's the individual he's not here well we have
this affidavit but the individual didn't write this affidavit this is a pre-filled out affidavit with no signature for us to ever look at it's blanked out now this man works here he he runs a store and anybody just put
yourself on the other side of the podium for a minute there's no possible way for us to ever fight back if you were ever approached in a courtroom of that you have been accused of something well where's the person accusing me they're not here in criminal law that's an
automatic dismissal almost every time well they said that you bought something there's the receipt I don't have one we've got this affidavit which the person who signed it and affidavit must possess personal knowledge not here what's his name we can't tell
you is that really what the citizens of Chums deserve I think they deserve better now if you had a receipt a name an ID I wouldn't be here would he'd be caught dead on he's got a picture of a jewel packet for all Mr borad Knows Mr
borad didn't see the sale to my knowledge he said that the person told him he made it how does he know he didn't pick that up and Mr um kuhara told him I look that product was out of stock on that day we didn't even have that product so why is his word not
taken but the word of an affiant who is not here with a pre-filled affidavit and no receipt why would that word be taken over a person who owns a business in the town and has been a good upstanding citizen for the entire time why is his
word somehow less valuable than a person who's not here doesn't have a receipt and whose name we don't even know okay all right I would ask you to please reconsider the fine okay thank you all right well I guess at this point
we should call may I be excused I'm sorry yes yes no absolutely no problem Ron borgard please come forward thank you good evening Ron borgard your Tobacco Control agent um I fully appreciate um the frustration uh that
can come with uh receiving a correction order in this case due to a second effect um $2,000 and potential subject to a suspension um I don't want to go too long um I did make a timeline because
this was an extraordinary case um I perhaps first should address a couple of the points that the counselor made um I want to be sure that the board understands that there's while the affidavit is reacted to protect the anonymity of the
youth and by the way as an aside uh in order to fulfill our duty to do this job for compliance checks the what the counselor proposes would singlehandedly if that were the law would
single-handedly destroy the program because uh revealing the anonymity which is focused on on all of our training for the Youth from age 16 to 20 to enter the stores if it were known that the law
um would require the revelation of the name of the person who was sent in the program would cease to exist or certainly wouldn't exist effectively you'd be subjecting Folks at a young age to coming before and revealing their
identity I I am not a practicing attorney but I do believe the attorney's comments are misplaced in regards to constitutional rights to face an accuser the I'm sure attorneys can
disagree and agree on issues of whether or not there is a criminal matter I know that the the the penalties often dictate or at least suggest whether something falls into a criminal category as opposed to one that is U more for a fine
or suspension this is the this is original for me I've been working with the program since 2001 and not once has an attorney or retailer come before board and made a demand at least in our program to have the identity revealed
the attorney uh the counsel um good good good man U very polite to me but he I think it's clear that if the board has the affidavit that while it's redacted U there is a signature on it it's my signature I want to state that
in case there's any question whether it's my signature it is I'm the one that witnessed the individual going into the uh establishment I'm the one that saw not a picture I provided a picture that's a
important distinction I have the package here I can testify to you now that we went into the store and I'm going to go through this if you don't mind piece by piece because um it is with it all due
respect I understand and I told both the council and the owner that I respect their decision to be here but I'd be um disingenuous to say that I um you know can be a little shaken by the challenge
that I don't know whe any other way you can put it the S regardless of the kind words to me the suggestion is is that I set this up and then I'm lying so I think it's important to go through the timeline so we
we did our usual compliance checks on that day we started off um I think we um we started off with a few stores beforehand everything went uneventful um and then at 1:29 p.m. was approximately the time of the
sale I parked nearby I think it's Wilson Street on the side there uh there's a gym I think in that vicinity so I'm able to see him go to the side entrance door there's not a front entrance store to The Establishment and the youth came back
quite quickly right around 1:30 uh p.m. so just a minute or two it took um and at that point he comes into the car and he had this pack of Jewel uh
pods um I I think with the law one other thing I want to mention before I go through the timeline because I made a note um is reference to the law and the right to face an accuser I think the Board of Health and I know and we've
been always advised by the Massachusetts Association of Health boards Mass health Officers Association and the mass Municipal Association that the standard of proof is not Beyond A Reasonable Doubt U that kind of a standard is not
at issue here it doesn't apply any Court the Massachusetts appeals court or recently the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court in a decision made in January of this year uh reemphasize the
fact that decisions of boards of Health uh will not be challenged by the appell courts so long as they're not arbitrary and capricious and that they rely on sufficient evidence I took the liberty
of um making a little bit of checking of the law in regard to what those standards mean and they mean that a decision is not arbitrary or capricious unless there is no ground which reasonable people may deem proper to
support it and substantial evidence is such evidence as a reasonable mind might accept as adequate to support a conclusion considering the entire record including whatever in the record fairly
detracts from its weight um so in a nutshell uh I did consult with Cheryl sabar attorney that helps us with the mass Association of Health boards and her wording was in a nutshell if the board thinks it's more likely
than not that a violation occurred then they can uphold the violation so anyways on to the timeline um what I do is after the check I this is my evidence this is what I did um he brought back the jewel
pods he told me the cost he gave me the change he told me he used the two20 $20 bills that I gave him and that the clerk provided him with the $182 and change now at one at 1:33 p.m. I entered the
data into my phone it's a it's a database program and regarding the details of the sale um I took the change and I provideed the youth with some additional currency for our next check
and um and then I drafted the correction order um that I believe you may have um I hope um sorry it didn't come out so clear and I'll learn my lesson on that one uh and then what I do there is um I I fill that out he fills out the
affidavit I sign it his presence and um at 1:45 p.m. is Theo o imate time that I entered the store uh to deliver the correction order now this is where it becomes extraordinary apologize for taking more time than I
usually do um but under my collaborative of 18 communities regularly I have to um address to the state our difference of
handling the delivery of Correction orders since I've worked under this program in 2001 I've always felt the the duty to deliver the correction order as soon as I can after the sale this does
go against State protocol um and even the federal government the FDA that does compliance checks do not adhere to this way of doing things there's um the risks involved according to them uh you know potential
notifying someone else of a sale uh that that were out there although that can occur anyways if people suspect such a thing is going on in the community and then the other reason of course would be the um the Safety and Security of the the uh person even the
perceived you know anger let's say or some you know worry from a retailer and I've had a few situations like that happen in the future in the past but I was able to Cal things down so I really appreciate what they do and their
anonymity is was is absolutely key to me I witnessed it um I am not the firsthand witness of the sale but I believe a reliable witness of the sale um so then um the U once I went in there there was only one person in the
store young man who I there was someone in front of the him right at the counter and he was buying lottery tickets and I never never never want to cause a delivery of a correction order to be one of
embarrassment or or any commotion I always do it for the purpose in a manner of just is the manager here is the owner here is someone here I can talk to I don't want to get in the middle of business I have my text messages and
testify to that I don't want to reveal the students address I mean a phone number but at 1:52 p.m. I waited as I always do if but I know usually have to wait more than 3 four 5 minutes when there's only one person in the store and as I understand there was only one
person in the store at 1:52 p.m. I tech text and this is all from my text I texted the underage purchaser indicating quote only clerk is in store One customer keeps purchasing lottery tickets he replied at 154 p.m. I texted
the underage purchaser that the status is the same cuz I don't want them worrying about why I'm in there for so long at 1:59 p.m. I texted the purchaser that the status was still the same at 2:1 p.m. same thing at 20:6 p.m.
same finally at 2:10 p.m. realizing that in a kind of on a humorous note but I I heard the refrain just one more or just one more from the customer uh and they won a little bit and I just they wouldn't get away from
the area so I'm like between my I know I'm kind of I'm torn I've never had this happen I've been in the store about 15 minutes or so and um I want to keep working but I don't want to give up my long held policy of doing it the right what I feel is in the right
way so um I went up to the clerk while the customer was there and um I asked is there is there someone I can talk to as the owner and at that point he he said he'd call the owner now the poor owner I feel badly
he he was in India but I didn't know I didn't realize that um so I think it was late it's probably midnight or something if I call at that time and of course this stes occurring in the afternoon and um I bring the phone it's his phone I believe I think it was the
clerk's phone and I brought it to The Kino area in the back and I whispered and I said I'm sorry you know this happened and I really did what I would do if I was live um and um you know he wanted to talk I'm sure he was and he's
a we we've we've been getting along for so long um we we highly respect one another uh I know he cares I do know that it just the vast majority of these cases meaning where there's a sale it's not anyone hoping to make a sale it's
just it's a mistake so finally um I I I said I have to get off the phone and I went about doing a few more compliance checks that day in Chelmsford um and then the next day we did a follow-up letter so I think that's the main thing I wanted to communicate
to you I have if there's any questions you have at all you can let me know okay any questions from the the board yes Ron your compliance check affidavit I'm assuming that that is an completely standard form that is used
throughout your operation that's correct that's a for a standard form we use um it's to get the the meat of the matters to there this is the way we do our protocol it's funny there's one in there that we kept um that the person dresses
in their normal fashion and doesn't look any older appear to be any older we we don't do that meaning we don't have anyone dress older the only thing that's kind of interesting about that is that the age now is in irrelevant it doesn't matter how old you look you know it's
but my question is is this is part of established policy yes it's esta protocol that we have an affidavit signed so it's been approved yes the state knows that we use that that we do it yes thank you yes okay any other
questions no yes am I allowed to ask him any questions through the chair you can ask the chair and if he chooses to get an answer okay yes you may enter I ask question yes Mr Bard you parked on
Wilson Street so you didn't see this actual transaction that's correct that was not inside the store and may I ask him another one beef go ahead um you agree that a person with getting a receipt for a sale would be a
devastating piece of evidence yes and but I could if I could answer more fully that I and that was in all my years of doing thousands of compliance checks the
it is so so rare to get a receipt for a a sale the the exceptions are usually the grocery stores and back when we they were allowed like at pharmacies and such like that otherwise at any of a store
what we call Mom and Pop or really even sometimes a in farms but it's a very rare occurrence so if if everything rested on a receipt the uh and we and we specifically told in a protocol to tell the students don't
ask for a receipt we don't want them to get a receipt unless they be called out on why would any it was so unusual that it would be sticking out so it's your testimony before the board you tell people not to ask for a receipt well you know something yes in training we'd say
don't ask for a receipt and affidavit section one you have put in cour no we have all these question I apologize Mr chairman please accept my apology I'm sorry I'm not used to this for format may I ask him a question
about the affidavit so if you could come to the the podium yeah any and all question Ron you could step aside yeah any and all questions that you have you could ask I'd like to ask him the question no you need to ask you need to ask Rich and he'll let Ron know if he
can answer them format's a little bit different correct I apologize um I'm sorry if I'm messing things up here inside it says one inside the store I it says a was dressed in my normal fashion I believe you just address that it has four things so are you stating that
automatically all four of these are true if the clerk ask me for my age I told him the truth is he saying that that the clerk asked him his age and he said oh I'm I'm only 20 and the clerk gave him the jewel he's he's stating that that's automatic the key word there is if if
the clerk asked for my age yes this is reiterating the protocol we do in training but we're just taking the word of a person who I understand you know even in a courtroom and underc a police officer at some point has to come in he has to come in we're not I understand it's not
I understand it's not a criminal trial I understand it's a different standard well it's non-criminal but it it does punish a person well so no we're not going to get you can State your statements and what you want to say and then Ronin made his statements and then we can go and I will
leave it at this he stated he did not see the actual purchase yes and the person is not here Mr Borg I thank you very very much for your time thank you very much and I thank the board for hearing me out and I appreciate your time very much thank you thank
you all right any other questions no any other no no well set thank you okay okay so we're now at limited comments for this anything anybody here that yep
anyone on public questions public I don't may I apologize my my client was asking the chairman if if he may speak yes yeah okay good evening vard uh my name
is Bob kurana and I'm the owner of 47 Market I'm serving very hard to the commit of jamesford this incident was happened and I was out of the country then it was Limelight it to me and it was uh 1 a.m. in the late night at that
time in India it's not relevant to the incident but I was the first person you know who asked this Mr Ron when I spoke with him he was in my
store I asked him do you have the receipt of the product he said no then my question is why couldn't he ask the cashier for the receipt there is you try to understand I
check as a proof I check my inventory this product was not in my custody how shall I sell that product his witness been to nine places on that day there may be some possibility it's a
human error possibility like the product was sold by somebody else and you know this error has been got happen but there is a possibility of the human error Mr Ron the first incident when the
violation was done at my premises it was not done by Me by my by the employee he was having the proof of the receipt he was having the receipt we couldn't challenge it we accepted our mistake I fired my employee and I said I
cannot afford it this sort of negligence because this is not a question of money or a fine this is not in a good for the community I'm working very very hard for the community and only one question once
there is no authenticity of the product has been sold by us at least like my ground is I I asked this product is mine he must have to be prove it one affidavit cannot prove this is your product if if I go to Walmart and
say this is your product Walmart will not accept it nobody can accept it I can buy the product from somewhere else and go to somewhere else it's not logical sir this is this is my stand the first violation he was having the
receipt yes he was having the receipt when the first violation was done we paid $1,000 and I I asked him on the phone did you have the receipt on the phone when I spoke with Mr Ron he said no and he couldn't told us I
was in a telephonic conversation with him he couldn't told me he's going to give me this $2,000 fine ticket he just left as a piece of paper and we found it ma'am after 3 4 hours we couldn't know this sort of violation was done at my
premisis and next day I was the first first person who called Health Department in the morning at sharp 8:00 a.m. when when it opened and I spoke with Miss charlin and I explained everything and nobody knows they said Bob like Miss Dona can come and she will
be in charge then I requested her and she said Bob then she gave me an opportunity like to extend this hearing because I was out of the country and thank you ma'am for that product is not in my custody I was
out of the stock but is my where is my violation sir at least prove me I'm wrong that's it simple if if he proves I'm wrong I will accept my mistake if he is unable to prove on a piece of papers blah blah things sir
what is my mistake sir I'm I'm I'm not here I'm I'm making a dollar how how if I'm making a $1 profit on a product how I can accept to make a like Nuance for the $2,000 penalty I will fire immediately sir I
cannot afford these sort of violations this is ruin my reputation I have a good name in the market I'm working very very hard my competitor sell fake clients are always I got a fake inquiry like from the lottery Department because my sales
are very very good people love my place ask anybody I never find any single complaint on me nobody fil any complaint and if I'm wrong if if if why should I come with the attorney there is some authenticity in
my claim that is a reason I'm here to justify myself my communication skills are not good because my first language is not English that's the reason I asked legal help because I don't know about it just prove it I'm wrong that's it I I I
will immediately accept my mistake if he can't explain then sir I'm not eligible there is a possibility of the human error sir simple that's it this is my stand okay thank you thank you
okay is there anybody else in the public for this public comment thing over this particular 47 Market okay motion to close the public okay motion to close the public motion to close Okay do I have a second second
okay all in favor I I okay all right all right so we got the documents all right well I guess the board uh so I can clarify for you how this regulation Works um yes I know David
wasn't here before right so how the regulation comes down is we can't reduce or just excuse it if it happened so you need to choose or make the decision if it happened the
fine stays if you feel it didn't happen then you can excuse the fine okay okay it can't be reduced or changed the modified whatever okay all right any comments from the other board members I don't
know in a moment maybe hold on go ahead well I'm I'm interested to know if does the market have a policy for giving receipts um just anecdotally I know that at convenience stores Etc it's rare that I see a receipt so it doesn't didn't
surprise me shall we say that there was no receipt given so is there a policy to give receipts or that's the discussion is just amongst us at this point I'm sorry I wanted I would like I'm interested to know if there is a policy on that and if
there is one it wasn't met I mean I don't I I think that the issue is is that he didn't get a receipt well I'm sure that probably many people that day didn't get a receipt well I think Mr Burg i' kind of answer that is that out of the thousand of of uh inspections
that he made to see if anybody was selling you know that uh it's often not done it's often not done and and in all seriousness as an individual like yourself um going into Corner Variety
Store kinds of places and whatever other than like he also mentioned the supermarkets that have a very distinctive system that they have that you must there isn't any question about it um have I seen receipts do I get
receipts from whenever I do it the answer is in my 70 some years I probably haven't that I can remember ever received this receipt from from for any kind of buying of of any kind of product and these kinds of things so but I guess
the my own comment is that the bottom line is that you know over 20 some years that that the board has been involved with with the Tobacco Control process in a regional basis where somebody else is doing to give some uniformity to the
inspections by him doing it in multiple towns that it's not like well chumford does it one way and another town does it another way it's it's a little bit more uniformed and and done and over all those years the idea of having some a
minor slash and a an adult that's also working for the for the program to actually take money out of you know out of a system and and hand it to the individual to go into the into the store
and that that that individual comes straight out to that that that that individual the car or vehicle whatever they are and hands it over to them and they go through the process I mean there's no reason there's no benefit to the the
the the minor or for the program to be out there uh you know looking for to see how many sales that uh I mean he can go through a heck of a lot more stores if if if no one is if no one's selling it you know you know the product he can get
15 or 20 done in a day versus you know five or six kind of thing so I I don't you know I don't see that uh there's any I mean the receipt thing is is the thing but it's it's not the common practice that I that I've seen anywhere and
therefore I don't get hung up on the receipt in in this kind of non-criminal you know disposition process that the towns have uh and anything beyond that is you know the fur the process but I
think we have the situation where do we do we believe that Mr borgard and and the minor party that was with them went into this facility uh and and walked out with a a product of of of question and concern
did it did it happen or not happen and and all these years that I've been involved with it and and some of the other board members have been involved with it uh um we're pretty confident and and uh that it that it did happen and therefore
you know I would I would recommend but I don't make the Motions uh you know as a chair of which way we go but uh you know that's my my own thing what I would say is they kind of both answered it your question Mr Karan there's a first
violation he gave a receipt that time and the other thing is is that uh Mr board we worked with him for many years and that we know his standards
and we Mr Karana has been a a good very good citizen he's been before us before when he applied to have I think it was coffee and uh we were happy that he's taking over the spot and you know filling what used to be F florist and such and then on the other hand Mr board
you know we've never had to question anything he's always maintained a very high standard so um can we it's out of if it is it is yeah it is it would okay but but again as I said so so I think that this is one
of those sad cases that the problem is is that we have good people all around yeah but the question is ultimately there's only one question do we feels a board that a product left was purchased at the store by somebody under 21 years
old yes and if we believe that happened well then you know then we have to vote that the the violation and and the appropriate things stand as as as issued
by the the notice of violation and what we've been through before is that there is no wiggle room beyond that no I understand the state you know it says I'm very clear on that so I that's the only plus about being
cheer I don't have to make a motion well I'm so I I'm making motion that we uphold the violation okay do we have a second second second okay all right take a vot vote Yes all
in favor I I I I I unanimous all right then the violation stands okay thank you very much for your time thank you for coming to all right so next what time is it anyways oh
it is half so we we going ti so we're definitely past 6:30 so it's 638 or something like that hard 639 63 okay whichever 638 um okay public hearing for Crum
regulation uh okay limited public comment limited public comment regarding Crum is now open at this time reminder each speaker will be called upon an order and will'll be given three minutes to speak each speaker is to State their name address whether you a speaker on
behalf of yourself or another such as a Chon board committee a client organization only one person per organization will be approved to speak on the same topic all discussions that go through me as the chair all right so public
comment have them line up at the podium yes that might be the simplest way to to line up on on the podium and give us your name and address and yeah um good evening I'm Aaron jenden um
56 by the BF L mass in all transparency uh I was in issue six months ago I'm a member of the Board of Health and L okay um I'm speaking on behalf of myself I'm not but I am on the board uh in August of 2024 Megan's house a Recovery Center
for Women um opened a discussion with the board on a substance called katum being sold within the city limits used by women in the program which gave an opioid like effect and after doing research and seeing the lack of solid research that there are acceptable
safety measures for use we moved forward with the same process that you are all in today the Supreme Court of Massachusetts upholds that the right to engage in business yields Paramount to the government's duty to protect Public Health at lodge I'm going to say it
again the right to sell ends at our duty to protect the public looking at the Marketing sales and distribution of these products there are not enough safeguards warnings or education on the products or regulatory process to meet the safety standards for
21 plus or otherwise L officially banned katum in January of 2025 just to give an update after speaking with the tacco commissioner at LOL um there's been extensive educational efforts to our store owners uh the store owners have
been receptive and there have been no violations issued to date I want to thank the board the chumford Board of Health as our neighboring town for bringing this forward I support this band thank you thank you who else okay thank you hello my name is Holly trouille 74
tennis posa Road and drit I am here to support the ban of katom um this is the third time I'm in front of the Board of Health I lost my son to metrine toxicity on February 6th 2024 for that was his sole cause of death there was no
secondary death uh there were also no obat in his body um I come to you I was at Lowel when they spoke Drake it did just B it February 20th um in drit it was so important to
drit that our state legislature of coling Gary was there also to support it we were in nsha last night because Nashua is talking about it as well um I here because I don't think there's enough regulations I truly believe my
son was getting addicted and did not know he drank a Crum Selsa drink that was marketed as alcohol-free caffeine and sugar-free that he bought in a Cava bar cuz he really didn't drink alcohol much um and
unfortunately I'm going to assume that's what they say is too many of them caused him to die from pure accident and there was no overdose on his death certificate it was just an accident um I don't think the FDA has had concerns for a long time and that's
why they haven't regulated it and I feel that until it is regulated and until there's enough research done that it should be banned because we already have such a drug epidemic in this country and to you know see so many people being
recovery and then to get addicted to something else I don't think is beneficial and I think it's almost Tak taking a step back so I appreciate your time tonight and um I hope katom is band in the town of chord thank you very much thank you
okay anybody else wants to speak good evening my name is Jennifer Healey Tanglewood Drive Northeastern Massachusetts and I am here because I do not believe that we should have a ban on katom um there has been medical research
done that shows that the drug itself when used properly can help people who are in severe addiction mode help them through their withdrawals I don't know if you've ever seen anybody who's going through withdrawals from heroin or anything like that but it's it's pretty
brutal um and honestly a lot of people who do do drugs they will continue to do the drug because they don't want to go through the withdrawals to get off of it as well as this particular plant does have properties in it that help with chronic pain all right I've been a
chronic pain patient for the last 12 years and it's it's ruined my life um I've been down the road with fentanyl vikin and all all that stuff and I choose not to take it um I don't want to be addicted to another drug and ketum
although I believe anything can be addictive when you look at katom the in the incidence of someone being addicted to it is very low it comes in several forms it comes in a whole Leaf it comes in powder but the thing that really needs to be concentrated on and where I
do agree that there should be a ban is the 70 part of that plant if you go into some of these smoke shops they have these little like those energy drinks that you drink that say 7 on it those are what's causing people to get sick and causing a lot of problems and the
FDA has been absent in regulating this I will I will give you that they have been absent um they can't figure out which way to go on it so today I would like you to consider making a compromise getting rid of the really bad stuff on the shelves that are going to hurt
people and leaving the stuff that's there that is not going to hurt people that are helping people through addiction and that are helping people with chronic pain because there are a lot of people out there um nobody wants to see anybody lose a loved
one I've lost through the heroin addiction and I know how bad it is so I don't wish that on anyone I'm simply looking and there are many other people looking for Solutions on how to resolve this so that's all I wanted to say thank
you thank you you okay anybody else back there row by row go ahead uh Frank trvel uh Broadway Road
dret um I just want to say um for banon katum been a correction officer for 23 years I've knocked people I've dealt with overdoses I've watched every single person come off heroin Fentanyl
I have an inmate a former inmate who cleaned his whole life up he bought three sober houses and he I was talking to him my nephew's benefit my nephew has passed away from this uh I was talking to him at the benefit and he was telling me he had a bunch of his guys and he's
like they're high they're on something I cannot tell what they're on and they kept testing clean and he knew he knows what they are you know he knows what the signs are and everything and they act in just like they were high opian and uh he ended up finding out one of them told
him yeah we're taking katum so it's making them feel like they're high so I'm for a ban of katom um I that's all I have to say so thank you okay thank you all right yes good evening thank you for letting
me speak my name is Linda trouille and I have been an educator in Dr for 55 years and my goal is to protect our students not just in Dr but in every town and when somebody can go into a gas station
and buy a drink at 12 years old that we know has probably some of um the catom in it I have a concern about that and and as an educator all Educators need to protect our children so that they don't
have to make these kind of choices that will allow them um to take something that might not be good for them I am in support of the band and um my goal is to protect all young people so that they
don't have any um addictions that are caused by too much of katom and or katum death as my grandson and anybody who has lost somebody close to them knows how that affects a family so thank you for
allowing me to speak I am father ban and that's all I have to say thank you for coming thank you thanks anybody else back there I don't see any movement so I guess motion to close public comment
okay second second second all in favor I public comment is closed all right so board can have a discussion over this issue do you want to work this way here or you you
I can start I start I never stop you know get the ball rolling please I get the ball rolling yeah I mean you know again personally uh I think Dr M will be different um I've I've heard it but I didn't hear it about it until it was
brought up in LOL and whatever and never kind of blinked up there uh that there was something else out there that you know that has has some potential I think clearly um when we started to look at it the last few hearings that I mean not
hearings but discussions that we've had the last few meetings is that we didn't know whether oh something's happening in LOL is it happening here and all of a sudden we look around and the answer is yes there is a number of places that you
never thought knew that it was being sold that in town and like you said even though a lot of the packaging uh that we did finally look at and see through a lot of the documents that think you know has this adult you know kind of thing but
there's no capacity to enforce that there's no anything so therefore it's an it's an open product for everybody uh and uh also particularly minors uh I know that some of the things have been
they're not minors maybe but the fact is that it has even bigger potential that oh there's this new thing out there that that can give you that that feeling whatever how would you discuss it and that uh there's no way for us to control
this thing I mean we can't do what FDA does we don't have any capacity to regretfully draw a line and saying well this product is okay but these other types of products or dosages or whatever that it's coming in is good and this one here is not so bad so we can we'll make
a decision and and kind of mix and match with no capacity to really know the we whereabouts so um yeah that's all I got to say so a I share I I agree with everything
you just said it I I find it um odd in all my years of Public Health that I looked at the cover of the low sun and they had banned katum and I did not know what it even was to tell and now it's on every feed that I can see so I've really been immersing myself in in in uh the ups and downs and
the dos and don'ts of it and I'm looking at it from a pure Public Health perspective and it's our goal to protect and preserve the the the health and safety of the community that we serve and I think one way that we can do that
would be to at a minimum regulate or at best ban um a substance that we know uh can cause problems we could also use the analogy of alcohol sure kids are not supposed to be be consuming alcohol we all know that they do that there are
adults and older kids who will buy it for them so that's not really an answer um in that area so uh as much as I appreciate and I really do and especially the last two meetings we've had a lot of incredible and very
personal and I moving U public comment from people which is invaluable um all the way around it's it's a it is a very very very tough call but again now that I I I talked to the LOL Health Department I understand Drake
it now is involved I heard I guess I heard NASA is is now involved so there there tends to be some kind of um there's a there's a a trajectory here all the way around and um and I and I I and also remember that there are many
states that do ban this as well in in the absence of FDA so it appears to be uh more of a trend to to regulate and Andor ban it than than not and um I'm concerned that just like with
tobacco people can underage people could still get access to it quite easily through other mechanisms so it's it's it's it's and it's also pretty difficult to to regulate as well it's kind of Uncharted Territory for for health
department so that's my thinking okay ER I was going to say it may at some point at some level be be a wonderful drug however you can become high on it you can become addicted to it babies can be born addicted to it uh you can timately die from it um and I think the problem
is is that is beyond our scope to try to figure out how to regulate who can buy what concentrations what types Etc I don't think that we have that expertise I don't think that we have that kind of staff to go and like find out to do
those that kind of work I think that the only thing we have at this point is is to be able to do a ban locally on what is a drug and I think that the efforts in terms of promoting where it would be useful have to be done at a higher level
State FDA Etc to sort of figure out you know how to what what's appropriate how to regulate there but I think that um I don't really have a question about what we need to do today I think then it's is this the right document is
there anything that anybody has an issue with okay um all right so there's sort of a consensus from what I'm hearing that that's the direction we want to go to the question is is the document that we have and the particular draft
regulation that we have is it is it thorough enough and uh specific enough that we believe it is a regulation that number one that we can enforce um which is one one of the
things that we we have to do if we create regulations we're obligated to make sure that it happens and uh and secondarily does it really cover all all the bases that uh are within our purview
and um my own review of the regulation with some of the minor blips and changes that we've looked at from you know other communities that have been doing it in other states and whatever that I think it's comprehensive
enough to to to deal with what we got to deal with and as Dr Mel said that when other parties above us okay finally U make some decisions uh about the who what where and why kinds
of questions that are out there that we then may be revisiting it in saying you know technically locally we can be a little bit stricter okay than the state and federal regulation if we have
certain concerns that are still out there but at this point we're not in that position but I mean anything that's finally comes through finally from the state and the FEDS we would then have some further review of it if we think
that there's anything necessary to take a look at so so as I said myself personally I think the I think the draft document is very well done to be honest with you and I think it does cover every to to me every contingency that I
can reasonably perceive to to come across and it's and it's the language is clean and it's well done from that from that perspective so I I think it meets the meets our criteria so I just want to clarify the two that you have here so
the first one that you have is the draft that I did and then our legal counsel Town Council reviewed it it and then we have you see the red red one yes that's the adjustments he's made the second copy is when I accepted his changes okay okay so just to clarify the CH so we're
looking at the second copy of after the changes okay so what we would be voting on as as a motion if you agree with the writing in there and to be this was based on LS we we started with ls yes we start with LS which has been vetted by
them we wrote our own little ver version with a couple of changes based on last month right Town Council has reviewed those changes have been put in there yes and to our eyes it looks like it is complete it looks like it is en
enforcable and it it is basically the the will that we have in in common right so yeah and also too we're treating it as we ban that product like other products that potentially have been banned by you know other entities and
whatever we're sort of treating it the same way in that we make the regulations and any kinds of fines and other kinds of things would be in the same ballpark so what I'm saying is we're not being less stringent you know compared to
other other other products that that that would come across our our table to be reviewed that's an advantage to this I believe exactly yes exactly okay all right so and if it's if regulations change and there's a benefit and it is controlled I at this point I don't want
a 12-year-old to be able to pick it off the shelf right so right okay so so question motion to uh accept uh the regulation as written okay second second
all in favor I I I okay unanimous then passed and effective immediately correct if that's what you want yes yes we will get to all of the um yeah places tomorrow and have them take it off their shelves
okay super all right all right thank you for coming now we got to get back us to speak thank you thank you am I back here I'm coming now okay okay
right all right next thing on the agenda is incoming is that what I'm seeing yeah that must be yes incoming correspondence okay so you want to go through them and sure sure thank you uh the first one is uh Tropical Smoothies pumping report
okay that they have been sending us monthly okay did we tell them that if they want to apply that that's in here you had me send them a letter that letters in here I'll show you in the outgoing section the outgoing yeah okay okay um the next one is Corner cupboard
um they had a tobacco violation uh Ron and his um folks went in and they did have a violation they have already paid it okay all right okay all right your next document um is from AAS and O'Neal and it was
it's communication between them and DP it's actually the request for clear water test at 255 Princeton Street okay the request was to be scheduled um on March 10th so have they physically built 255 Princeton Street there's a lot
that's been built okay okay okay um if you look at the third page it will show you the items that D expects them to have completed prior prior to them to the March 10th okay okay okay have we been out there at all Mark's been
stopping by okay yep okay I didn't know whether Dan or anybody else not that they had to but I'm just saying I just know didn't know oh no it's all state no I I I realize it's all all state I'm just saying sumon that's seen treatment plans and whatever before yeah we have
not um consulted no River to go there okay that no that that that's fine that's fine that's fine uh the next document goes along with those um it is the letter from DP it's the approval of transfer for the groundwater discharge permit and the revised groundw discharge
permit when they say transfer what's that about it was from the original property just over to them oh okay okay okay uh page two shows you the special um conditions that are required mhm okay oh okay and that's all with the state
through y the developer at 255 Princeton okay all right all right the next one is a public notification uh which is always a requirement it's a release abatement measure this was prior to the demo of 270 borka Road right so they have to
send that in and by the time we actually get it uh but we got it right after the last meeting so you didn't get this okay okay on that one wasn't there okay they're done demoed demos yeah I'm hav down the street yet so I didn't see it missing it's they went pretty fast flat pass it
just today yeah so they're under the other boards conservation other are looking at how they manage the site while they I'm sure I mean I know they I know they put some restrictions on they put all their restrictions and they need to follow up with those too okay all right good that's good okay that's the end of
incoming all right so motion motion to accept second okay all in favor I I okay incoming is accepted outgoing all right outgoing so on out outgoing this is the zoning board of appeals as you know they all come before us there's no concern uh or
jurisdiction of the Board of Health on this one this is for 8 Columbia and 10 minor AV um it was Chang in the lot size between the two oh okay making one smaller and the other one bigger oh okay okay okay um the next one is for 26 vinyl
square it's for massage therapy business and they just had to go before Zoning for the zoning bylaw zoning because it's not an accepted under the existing list okay yeah okay all right oh wait but this is a business that's been there for yeah it's a it's if you look it's requesting an after the fact
special permit yeah so they started then so it's been around 15 20 years and okay I don't think that particular one's been the po tow H I think so I think so when we have when we have planning board given us updates we can ask that question
later um the next one is uh four Courthouse Lane Unit 16 it's for Muscular Therapy M therapy place again no jurisdiction for the Board of Health yeah yeah and the next one is to Indian Drive MH um it's for an enclosed porch for the
back of the house again no jurisdiction for us okay these places are all sewered and all that other kind of stuff so there nothing there okay yep and um Dr Miko last time uh you had put the request in and the board approved to send Tropical Smoothie a letter letting them know they
did not need to send the continued pumping reports based on their due diligence um and the results that have been coming in so they have received that you gave him 10 days you gave him 10 days to respond no
I just sent them a letter saying that they didn't need to well as I said they we had already sent them a letter in the hearing and then you wanted to have us send the letter saying because of um the good behaviors that I'm reading I'm
reading the original oh right we will be yes it's in 10 days okay sorry all right so as you know um we um under the layoffs we did lose a public health inspector um and with that we work with a Nea group Northeast Public Health Alliance which we get
state grants um and into that state Grant we're looking to hire actually two Public Health Inspectors there's job openings for those but in the meantime to stay caught up this grant will cover this company we've already gone through
three bids and all of that it's moan Solutions LLC so they will start doing inspections for us just food establishment inspections and our retailers it's not housing or any of that okay um so in order for them to go into an establishment they need something to
hand off yes uh to the owner or the manager or the a person on duty who they are so this is the letter that I drafted and I just wanted the approval from the board um that you would agree to let them be an agent for food establishments
the time frame is only for March 5th through June 30th 2025 okay so yeah so it's so just like a motion if you would approve okay motion to approve a letter uh regarding mojan Solutions okay do have a second what do you got second yes I
second it okay all in favor I I okay all right motion to accept outgoing correspondence all right second second all in favor I okay planning board updates there he is you can't get your creatum anymore
you know sorry Joel Luna planning board um yeah you guys have done a fantastic job with that by the way um and a lot of the things you've been handling um I don't think there's much going on between us right now except for the Gap analysis
which we voted that we wanted to have the the person who's doing the Gap analys has actually come before the whole board I think he was wanting just two or three of us but the whole board wanted to have the interaction so that's what we'll do okay and uh apart from that just um the Adu thing I'd mentioned
before that got ped pass through town yeah Special town meeting and then we're working on some other zoning articles for town meeting okay uh one that we had hoped to get on which was a rezoning of Kate's Corner uh has had a lot of complications with it so that probably
will not get on the town warrant okay but uh Town manager has introduced a couple of zoning articles of his own that was interesting one he pulled back which was the case Corner area Okay um so that's about it okay well let take a look at those oh and with regards to 270
there there was part of the uh both our I believe it's both planning board and Conservation Commission yeah do have an agreement with that basically they we have a third party on-site representative that will make sure they're complying with particularly with
the um with the um remediation not the remediation but how they handle any um encountering soil or or water contaminated okay and um and they have um a stop work Authority so if it's not complying with the way it should be then
they have the authority stop work so right so is there anything happening with hild hildr Street uh well as you know we denied hildr um that's being appealed and we haven't um had any executive sessions on that since then
okay so it is still before the Conservation Commission and on our end for ten Hildreth uh the owner did report to d as he was sent a letter from us back when and he had a year to remediate nothing's occurred yet okay so they're
not doing much okay thank you anything else no all right thank you very much glad to see you thank you all right okay motion to accept board updates okay a second okay all in favor I I Thank you new
business all right so the next one is actually Ron has requested to have a discussion before the board um and it's it's in regard to um ID scanners so interesting yeah that's an interesting change out there yeah thanks for hearing me again yeah um
so you know I I told you how long I've been doing it yeah and um um and so when you do something on a regular basis and you still get the same result over and over again if I'm honest
with myself I say well I try to evaluate myself am I am I making a difference am I making things better so with the come when it comes to the compliance checks are they're affectionately known and probably more accurately known as stings yeah
um we get the same rate we've gotten the same rate for our program has gotten the same rate for a long time now I'm pleased with the fact that in general our rate is a better um you know better rate meaning a lower rate of U failure
to as for ID than the state average ours usually hovers around 5 to 10% you want 5 to nine right now I'm feeling a nine and a 10 right now is where we where we're at and we're about 70% of our U you complete for the fiscal
year and you know kind of make a little bit of fun with it is you know is if I if I bang my head against the wall wall every day and you know I said GE my my head hurts and I keep banging my head and someone would tell you don't don't head against the wall so we're doing it
the same way all the time and in the tough difficult thing of my job and if it comes out that I'm uh if you want to call conflicted over how my duty of my job versus my relationships with the retailers is I'm An Education First
we've always been that way with the program and to me the best way to educate is not to lecture and just say you've got to do this this and that but it's to literally build a relationship get to know people this was true Bob Bob NES so the my idea is this
I it occurred to me in my conversations when I'm doing my inspections that folks make reference to um the marijuana establishments now that are in existence and I hear oh I had to get ided you know I got to scan my ID every time time and U it got me thinking a
little bit about it um and another thing got me thinking about it even more so than that because that was more second the thing that really lit up my brain about this was I met a gentleman in Westford um and sometimes when I do my inspections I look at the system that
they have the cast register systems and they vary greatly from an oldfashioned just register without any scanning of a product at all which is the Min you know minority of the 350 is retails we have and then the ones that when you scan it
it generally prompts on the their screen something much smaller about this size proportional wise that is like looks like a calculator and they they it usually have a statement to say you know ID customer and then um they enter the
age or they look at the ID the way it's supposed to work look at the ID and they punch it in and then they hit it and it goes through as long as they're 21 orov now invariably they have a system that will allow the clerk to make a a
judgment call some of my age let's say goes in and you know I'm not going to have to show an ID I'm not saying this is for everyone but I would get I would guess the majority based on the kind of fun we have when I give them a sign that says you have to ID everyone and some are very bold and just come right up to me and say I'm not doing that Ron you
know and I say look I I can only tell you what the law is you know what you do with it is everyone's own personal responsibility I advise you to do this plus it gives cover for the clicks to point to the sign this one here that I went in Westford When they scanned it the next
thing on the screen once you scan the tobacco said scan ID I saw that and I said oh I said Mike how how what do you how do you override that you know no he says you can't and I said it must be
something and he goes nope he says everyone has to be ID now he has beer and wine and tobacco and when I asked and I said you realize you're going on a limb doing this not it's not a law you don't have to do and he goes I know and I I goes don't get people didn't they
get upset he goes yeah they did it first but they got used to it and um and he says what really motivates you to it and I'll never forget he came really close to my face and he said I sleep at night he says I don't have to worry about a
mistake and then I of course I know of a few of these systems I know a couple in havil and they have it but we actually got a sale there not too long ago and I was dumbfounded uh but not so much after the student told me what happened is he
asked for the the Vapes and um they said do you have an ID he said no and he was on his way out and the click said hold on and she grabbed out of her jacket her own ID and and scanned it and so um and this
was confirmed by the manager I mean this is what he told me and manager told me Same by the way from a family of smokers Mom Dad Aunts Uncles cousins I try to tell the student um and others that as misdirected and illegal uh as it is to
do that it is an act of empathy most likely um it's someone saying I was there and I want to help out whether the empathy is misguided or not to me it's still that's where it's coming from well just and another example of this happening is when we were in another
town uh we we we came back the same individual that you know had this sale here and um he came he wait it took him a little long and he said well it was a line and I says okay and then as soon as he came in the car one car from me um a
guy in a truck can't make this stuff up a guy in the truck he says Hey and he's waving pack of Malboro cigarettes apparently this is what he asked the student asked he goes my girlfriend doesn't smoke these anymore and this a full pack do you want it and I roll down
my window you know I roll down my window oh no thank you very much thank you very much that's an act of empathy is again misdirect as it is I'm I may me sound making it sound in the light too favorable to the individual offering but he he um in look in the best light he
thought he was of age but he forgot his ID worst light would be well I was underage and I want to help him out too I don't know which one it is but these are the things that happen so anyway back to this the IDE to I I then started thinking I started asking more more
retailers about it what were their thoughts um until it built up now I have about probably 50 email addresses and I'm going to hold a zoom meeting and I've told them all that this is not anything that any of the communities are currently thinking about doing I have
not proposed it as a definite thing I don't know if it's the right thing I says I just want to have a conversation about thinking outside the box cuz when I'm done with this job and I guess I'm closer to the end of it than the beginning I want to leave an imprint
that's like not I could just do my job like I always do it I educate and they up we always have five or 10% and by the way the state and they're very supportive of our program but when they tell me Ron don't get so worked up about it it's an a you know 95 995 it's a AA
minus feel good about that and I go I understand it's an AA minus by that but but it's all the way you spin statistics if I then presented to you instead that we got an a 90 95% if I said in a different way and said every 16 17 18 stores we go in sale boom boom boom
that's not rare 1% is rare but not that level so I then made I had a meeting with um someone that does education and inspection will'll serve expectional component of the Cannabis Control
Commission I said the heck I'm going to do a little research on their RS and uh I email candid CCC as they call it and uh I did confirm that I was hoping never one that's benath wanting to copy someone else's regulations I was hoping that they had the scan requirement and
we could just steal from it a bit but no alas they do have a what is in the regulations for the marijuana Control Commission is that there's two-step ID requirement one before you get into the building and then the second at the point of sale the register however
there's no scanning there is reference to scanning and the reason there's reference to scanning because he had told me that the majority of marijuana establishments do um require scanning of an ID and there's a variety of reasons for it but one of them also is the level of amount of marijuana that can be
purchased each day at establishment so someone like myself if I want to buy marijuana legally give it up give it up give it up I don't care how many times I'm there I don't care how many I'm regular I have to do it for any of establishments that require that so if
it can be done for that and we can all and I've gone through all those years and I know there's great a lot of debate lot of there's been a lot of debate about marijuana versus tobacco all I can go is the statistics I read the epidemiological studies this is in no way Shake shape or form here I am before
a Board of Health saying this but it's still falls in the shadows the difference between the the mortality and morbidity rates of tobacco versus marijuana not an endorsement of the drug but I'm just saying if it's good enough for
marijuana I feel like the tobacco is stuck where it was back in the 20s and beforehand it's a convenience item at a convenience store you can't blame the convenience store owners in my in my opinion for that model it's continued and there's I don't know how many
convenience stores are in the states that don't are true Convenience St that does not sell tobacco I can tell you if I take them by the word and I do they're not excited many maybe perhaps most are not excited about the product but they can't stick out as one that doesn't because then it's all the other products
they can sell so I'm going to have those Zoom meetings I wanted you to be aware of them um there are some difficulties with this policy one would be equity in terms of you know the cost it ranges anything from it's very little cost it just because they're on the they're
basically on the one yard line they could just switch it because I've had someone switch it had someone and Drake it they switched it I said I didn't know you had that system what made you do that they said you meaning me because I find them $1,000 for a mistake that the part-time person made she go I'm and she
lost $500 from that um because of the way they deal with managers in that company so I think it has some potential I would love I shouldn't say I would love to see it I would love I want I'm loving to see what the response is there's also passport sales which I never knew existed and still I really
engage with the retailers sometimes they're presented with a passport for the most part or perhaps all the time you can't scan a p um a passport so we'll see interesting all right yes very that's about it I just want to kind of
get it off my chest if nothing else try to reinvented a little thank you it's good that everybody isn't staying with the status quo things are changing things are changing let's go take a look keep take a look exactly all right thank you very much all right no
thank you for coming you're very welcome all right motion to accept not yet uh Department of Public the neurologic oh neur oh yeah that what do you think yeah you may even want to speak to it Dr to melan you don't have to a spot I no no
Mass Department of Public Health sent the notification on February 14th that are neurological complications of influenza and Pediatric patients um it seemed to be where there was more Pediatrics that had complications and or did not get the
vacine um the flu vaccine that seemed to be impacting um but I'm sure you know more that you'd like to I can give you my Impressions yeah uh because it has been like a busy month in general uh but uh number one I'd say
that with this flu I've seen actually less pneumonias and other complications in in general I've even seen less asthma than I have a lot of years that doesn't mean that it's across the board there are other things and apparently that the rates of the uh theopathy have been like higher to the point that they uh they
put this I haven't had any patients that have had this themselves but you know with every like virus it's like remember as a as a resident I had a kid that couldn't pee he had a Deno virus and the reason was apparently one of the small lesser uh effects of a dento virus is it can make your bladder bleed and he had a
blood clot in his bladder that blocked his AR you don't think about that with the common cold so they do have you know complications and I think the second thing is is that in terms of vaccination rates I think that uh either because there's always a pendulum and when you
push covid vaccines that everybody like gets ticked off and decides you know political personal rights whatever and the pendulum swings back the other way I'm kind of hoping as they start talking about you know measles and not just measles uh uh people are worried about
it but also the fact that like it's not just to protect the individual but you have to have a certain percentage to protect the community and it doesn't work whatever to S of have a deeper conversation people have had about the co vaccin so I think that the rates that people have been getting their their flu
vaccines has been a little bit less this year than than the last couple of years uh but if I bring it up in the office it's pretty much always almost always people will get the flu vaccine for their kid but they're like oh I got to go home and talk to the spouse about about you know the covid vaccine so I'm
still having troubles getting people to take that it's probably less than 50% right now on the booster all right that's it for new business okay uh motion to accept new business all right
second okay all in favor I I okay all right all right so we have other here um do you want to share all the great programs that we have going on for the public streaming live Taran is not here but she
created this flyer here um so some of these are our usual programs that we've been having for a while the sober Karaoke Every second Friday of the month um from 10 uh 7 to 10: at the Chumps sword Center for the Arts in the downstairs Cabaret room it's a good time
um we have snacks and mocktails for sale um usually we have pizza um and usually a long line of people who want to sing so get there early if you want to s I'm serious it's great it's a good time okay um Save a Life with opioid overdose
training so we continuing our Naran training um we do about one a month um we're having uh the numbers have decreased over time and I hope it's because it's just so normal and more and more people have already been trained um we are doing a youth Mental Health First
Aid training um that will be on March 27th from 9: to 3: that's a great program to teach um people people who aren't used to working with children or maybe they are but don't know how to recognize um an impending Mental Health crisis um so it teaches them you know
what to look out for for that it's good class it's it's a long class but it's really good um again we're continuing our community adult CPR adult and child CPR with first aid and AED um again we're trying to do that once a month the
uh date here on March 18th is already full but we do have another one in April stay tuned for that that's actually a free program that we offer to everybody they only have to pay $20 which is the actual cost of the card yep yep that's what the cards cost and we don't we don't make any kind of profit on that um
Sharp's collection is this coming Monday so if you have medical Sharps obviously you can't throw them in the trash so we want to make sure that people have no you want to make sure that people have a place to put them so we we dispose of them responsibly yeah um carus we still have the mental health
referal service um that is uh helping people um connect with mental health providers and also food insecurity and housing support now um We are continuing to do our depression and anxiety support group on
the next one is March 25th at the CCA blood pressure screenings I don't get a lot of visitors in my office the first Thursday of the month but I would love to see more um but I do get a lot of visitors at the chord Senior Center we do a veterans um blood pressure Clinic we do about 30 30 every single time we
go there it's pretty awesome um and then that's about it on the back we have some fun facts on you know what's National Kidney month so let's take care of our kidneys and um we still have some covid tests available for uh residents we do like to limit it
to one box per family because there's five tests per box but obviously if you have a larger family we're not going to okay charge you for it that's pretty much it great super all right and then you have the monthly reports for each
staff member any rats any rats there was one housing one that Mark had to to deal with but it's all set now oh okay all right is wholesale the name of a company um the wholesale that is a
company that we met with um that that's looking to have a u they purchased 61 par Road okay where the old car wash was yes and we had a multi- department meeting with them yeah um and they're looking to do wholesale meet they're
currently in Lawrence looking for a new location um and it's all state permitted so all their licenses are through the state unless they decided to go through retail I've looked them up um it's yeah where's the old car wash they actually
sell to restaurants and such excuse me where's where's the old car wash is it B No 61 parkur it's a across from Walmart yeah the rear walm the storage place and then the and the place with it was the rental place it was actually in between oh really
before they tore it down um okay I'm sorry I made a mistake when I said that to you it's actually the car car wash is already a storage building it's the rental place it is the rental place okay was an empty no wonder no wonder you got
confused there yes I trying think maybe it's behind like best fitness or yeah no I misspoke it's the rental okay it's the rental place okay okay okay all right H that'd be interesting to think about the state
only Z to say you can't stop in I I didn't well that's what I'm talking about I I I never worried about whether the state said well we we do the other thing no we're going to be there too whether whether you like it or not so
okay all right any uh I haven't found the rats yet you haven't found the rats yet U let me see which one you have it on uh is it one he's working on now let's see one he had quite a few housings this uh
what went in next to Dave's Hot Chicken that isava it's a Mediterranean Mediterranean there it is yeah yeah isn't there something going in where the old soap place that lasted 14 seconds uh yeah we actually uh play a um pbls no
that's the old Dunkin Donuts oh PS is going yeah okay the oldun it's an Indian restaurant that plans to go into the old soap place was we don't have their plans or their specs yet okay but the reason I thought of playables is because we just received their specs and their plan
review today okay and that's going in where the Dunkin Donuts was next to ADI that is now going to be a yeah a Smoke House yeah barbeq Smoke Smoke House thing yeah the Korean ones at Drum Hill
oh okay oh wow I found going on and they're opened hey yeah I found the mice you found the mice yeah it's on a gay street it's always taking the garbage cans across the street on on the town property good
idea I'll leave it on property [Laughter] right I know what that is okay I know what that is cross that's all right do you know what somebody did in Drake kit they just they
decided just to take their like oversized TV and dump it on the our office like lawn and Drake it yeah really and then so then you look up like how you dispose of these things and Drake H jumps or
otherwise and it's basically you go up to a uh Best Buy and you give him $29 and99 and they take it from you doesn't matter what the reason is so and it's like so they they left it at your office
to do it so that they didn't have to they save $29 I spent $29 well I know that I was just going to say taking at The Rage Cage the what Rage Cage they take it ra cage as long as it's not a tube TV wait what's Rage Cage it's a nashaa and you
go and you can smash it's an entertainment Place entertainment do you pay no they love that stuff it's free and oh they want to do it take out your aggression on some somebody's like you know littering you
pay to go in and do you give it and they like Smash It smash it up yeah yeah cuz we moved from Phoenix we had to we had like a 100 fluorescent tubes yeah Ian was a $2 a piece at the Ace Hardware to get rid of them so it costed like $200 to get rid of all the well again with
with a different heavy metals and other kinds of things that potentially AR in some of this stuff go wait a minute oh we used to have a our Tech Guy uh they're all named Scott all over Tech Guys and uh can we get a motion to accept other motion to accept other okay
this might be relevant second let get another go ahead second all in favor all okay so what he used to do is like when we watch need to get rid of this is all of our sensitive data all the patients information is on our hard drives okay and so he would get rid of it and the way he would do it he was take it at the
shooting range and shoot it or blow it up little ineloquent okay wouldn't a magnet Bey so next schedule meeting is April 1st April Fool's Day there it [Laughter]
is are you going to tell us which room it's in or we have to find it is that the joke that's joke no it will be back into the fire training room okay um unless something comes up that we end up choosing that we need to have it live but right now it will be uh she'll be quiet for a little bit back to the fire
training room I hope that um Ron had his face change and then he wanted to say something while I was talking about 47 market and I was hope I didn't say anything that I said it wrong because
we've known him for years he does a fantastic job he's an honorable person he really cares about what he does and the businesses he sees and stuff like that but we've also met with Bob before yes and he's already always been really H honorable and all also but I think
it's just one of those things that the reason it's a deterrent is because it is so high this doesn't make absolutely certain that everybody I'm looking at him talking about whatever the cost is to put these scanners in and I'm thinking that if I just got if I was at
risk for being fine $2,000 yeah I'll pay the 700 bucks to put that these people they their profit margin they've always said right it's so narrow and that's why they can't get rid of tobacco products because it's the only thing that makes money in these places right right so right right as
feedback you you were very you said it perfectly that you know you that that there were two honorable situations here and that makes it very very difficult because you know you you you believe that they were both honest and and and had Integrity I mean you you led with something very very positive right so
that was very well done yes was motion to adjourn motion to adjourn second okay all in favor I I okay I want to thank you for the info before we
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