being 6 o'clock. I'm calling to order the select board meeting of October 27th, 2025. And if you would all join me in the pledge of >> allegiance to the flag of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> And this meeting is being telecast live by Chums for Teleia and being recorded for later viewing by the public. And first thing on our agenda, we have
uh public service announcements. >> Okay. Um let's see. So the first thing tonight is a um proclamation, Tana Chumpswood proclamation in recognition of the wish project 20th anniversary.
Whereas the Wish Project was founded in 2005 by Donna Hunter, who began collecting and delivering essential items such as diapers, formula, and car seats for families in need. And whereas what began as one woman's effort
from her minivan has grown into a thriving nonprofit organization, operating a large warehouse facility and partnering with local social service agencies to help thousands of families each year. And whereas the WISH project's mission is to support the
local community by providing donated clothing, baby essentials, and household goods to aid families in need as they progress towards self-sufficiency. And whereas through the generous support of donors and volunteers, the WISH project has distributed an extraordinary
amount of donated goods, reduced waste through reuse and recycling, and provided hope and dignity to those rebuilding their lives. And whereas for two decades, the WISH project has embodied the spirit of compassion,
community, and sustainability, enriching the lives of residents across the Marramac Valley. Now therefore, we, the Chsford Select Board, do hereby recognize the 20th anniversary of the WISH Project and commend its dedicated
staff, volunteers, and supporters for their outstanding service to our community. Signed this 27th day of October, 2025 by the Select Board. Is there anybody here to receive that? If you'd like to say anything, please
feel free. >> And also, uh, we have been working with so many families in need in our community. And we can only do because of this amazing town that stands behind us and our mission and continue to help us in every need we have. We put a call on
social media and uh our community show up for us, show up for those in need and this is the only way we can help these families. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. We applaud and appreciate all your efforts. >> Okay. The next item tonight, free inhome
flu vaccines for homebound residents. Getting a flu vaccine is essential for staying healthy during the respiratory illness season. If you or your loved one finds it difficult to leave the house to get their flu shot, call the Chelmswood Health Department to schedule an inhome
vaccination today. For more information or to schedule an appointment, please contact Darcy Beal, RN at 978-250-5241. This is proudly offered by the Chelmsford Health Department. The DPW is seeking plow contractors for
the 2526 winter season. Packets available at the DPW 9 Alpha Road. Call 9785250-5228 or email m thomaschelfordmass.gov. Rates begin at $110 per hour up to $200
per hour. An incentive signup bonus of $1,500 is applicable. And new this year, guaranteed minimum payment in addition to incentives, $4,000 for pickups and $5,500 for sixwheeler
uh dump trucks and larger. And finally this evening, public notice, town of Chelmsford tax classification. The select board will gather to hold a public hearing to consider whether or not the town should adopt a classification system for the assessment
of property in regard to the collection of real estate taxes. This hearing will be held on Monday, November 17, 2025 at 6 p.m. in route room 204, this room at town offices 50 bill recorder road. And
that's it for public service announcements. >> Thanks Pat. Um, and do we have anyone for general public input? No. No one. >> Okay. Next up, uh, committee vacancies. >> Okay. For committee vacancies this
evening, uh, the Agricultural Commission has one unexpired three-year term ending June 30, 2026. The Board of Assessors has one unexpired three-year term ending June 30, 2027. Capital Planning Committee has one three-year term ending
June 30, 2028. The Commission on Disabilities has one unexpired three-year term ending June 30, 2026, two unexpired three-year terms ending June 30, 2027, and two three-year terms
ending June 30, 2028. The Council on Aging Board has one unexpired three-year term ending June 30, 2026 and two three-year terms ending June 30, 2028. The historic district commission alternate member has one unexpired
three-year term ending June 30, 2027. The holiday decorating committee has one unexpired one-year term ending December 31st, 2025. The parade committee welcomes all applicants. Um, and there are one-year
terms ending July 31st, 2026. The permanent building committee has two three-year terms ending June 30, 2028. And the Vinyl Square strategic action plan committee um business
representative has one unexpired three-year term ending June 30, 2026. If you are interested in serving on a town board or committee, please complete an online application available on the town website. For more information, please contact the town manager's office at
978-250-5202 or TM office at chelmsfordmass.gov. Thanks, Pat. Um, and next we have licenses. Um, I'm not sure. I think we may have some people here in the audience for licenses. Um, >> and some on Zoom.
>> Y >> and some on Zoom. Um, do you know who we have in the audience, Paul, by any chance? >> The first one is the Central Congregational Church. It's right here. >> Oh, okay. Yeah. Would you like to I just want to take the people that are here first so we can >> Hi.
>> Good evening. My name is Margie Dissinger. I live at 15 Mansfield Drive in Chelmsford and I am here on behalf of Central Congregational Church. We're looking for a roadside vendor license again to sell our Christmas trees and wreaths, which is one of our biggest
fundraisers for the year, >> of course. Okay. Does anyone have any questions? >> It's only been 42 years. >> Yeah, >> not a lot. Not a lot of questions. >> Okay. I'll take a motion.
>> Okay. Um, I'll make a motion that the select board uh approve a roadside vendor license for the sale of Christmas trees and wreaths at one Worthing Street from November 28th to December 23rd.
>> Um, and this um, uh, vendor license goes to Margie Dissinger of Central Congregational Church, one Mor Street. >> Excuse me. No, I was just saying it goes to the church, I think. Not specific. >> The representative. Yeah.
>> Can I get a second? >> I'll second it. >> Okay, we have a motion and a second. Um, all those in favor? >> I approved. >> Thank you. >> Thank you very much. >> Good luck. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Um, and I don't know if we have
David Soua here. >> No. >> On Zoom. No. >> Okay. Um maybe we should skip that one. >> Although the last one that we did for him, he wasn't here >> here either. Yeah, I think
>> because this is a this is one >> this is that was an annual one if I remember right. Yeah, he's been here before. He does this event at the senior center and there have been no issues. >> Okay. Should we just do this one then real quick? >> He doesn't have to be here.
>> Um yeah, we didn't we don't >> Okay. Yeah. and he's got all the approvals from Deb Serani and everybody else. So, >> Disease Society of America, Chumsford Senior Center. Okay. >> Okay. I'll make a motion that um the
board recommend approve a one-day beer and wine license for a Huntington's disease fundraiser to be held November 15th, 2025 at the Chelmsford Senior Center, 75 Grten Road. And this would apply to David Souza who
will be using that room that day. >> Second that. Sorry. >> Okay, we have a motion and a second. All those in favor? >> I. >> Okay. Um, >> next up we have a one day all alcoholic
beverages license for Bruce Kaanian. >> He's on Zoom. >> Okay, >> Bruce. Good evening. Hello. Good evening. >> Good evening. >> My name is Bruce K. Jenian. I live in Draet and I am the parish council
chairman of Saints Vartinance Armenian Church up on 180 Old Westford Road. Uh we have our annual food festival coming up on Saturday, September 22nd, uh which is open to the public and we'd like to
request having a liquor license for that day if we could. Um the food festival will be from 11:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. Um we do not start serving any alcohol though um until noon time.
Okay. >> Does anyone have questions? >> No questions. >> Okay. I'll take a motion. >> Okay. Um I'll make a motion that the board approve a one-day all alcoholic beverage license
for Bruce Kaenian. um for the church church's food festival being held on November 22nd, 2025 at St. Barton's Arminion Church at 180 Old Westford Road.
>> Second that. >> Okay, we have a motion, a second. All those in favor? >> I It's approved. Thank you. Good luck. >> Oh, thank you very much. Appreciate it. Have a good night. You >> too.
Okay, next up we have a common bular license for JY Ventures. >> Hello. >> Hi. Good evening. So, this is Jawad. My name is Kim. We're managers for the restaurant. Um, looking for approval for the common fix license.
>> That's the Old Bonito's location. I was going to ask, is that the olden? Okay. Okay. I'm right home to figure it out. >> Okay. And >> what's the specialty for >> It's going to be a Mediterranean fusion. >> Oh, okay.
>> Yes. >> And you're not necessarily renovating, but you are going to add um another dozen seats. Is that correct? >> Yes, we are proposing from 24 to 36. >> Okay. Okay. And I don't believe any of the town officials have any problem with
that. >> Uh no. Oh, sewer capacity limited to 36 seats. Perfect. Okay, I have no questions. >> Okay, I'll take a motion. >> Okay, I'll make a motion that the board
approve a common victular license for JY Ventures LLC DBA Rroots to be exercised on the premises at 17 Vinyl Square. >> Second that. Okay, we have a motion and
a second and all those in favor >> I >> all set. You're all set. >> Thank you. >> Okay. And now we have a special license to sell wine at an agricultural event for Aaron Absellers.
>> Yeah. No Powell is on Zoom this evening. >> Okay. >> Good evening, null. >> Good evening. Um this is null Powell. I'm the owner wine maker of Aaron Epsellers. Uh we're we're seeking to join the Chumsford Winter Market that's
being held at the Western Nurseries um again this year. Um I think this will be our 10th year of participating in that market. Uh selling our um locally grown and made uh farm wine um and offering
samp selling by the bottle for take-home consumption and offering samples uh during the market. Okay. Anyone have questions? >> Uh, no.
>> Okay. >> A while too. >> Ready for a motion? Okay. I'll make a motion that um the board grant a special license to sell wine at an agricultural event. um the Winter's Farmer Market located at
Western Nursery from November 1st, 2025 to March 7th, 2026. And this would be issued to Noel A. Powell Aronap Sellers LLC. >> Second that. >> Okay, we have a motion and a second. All those in favor?
>> I stop. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Okay, one more. And then we have one more which it looks like is the same agricultural event. This is a special license to sell wine for Bliss Point
LLC. >> And do we have someone here for this point? No. >> Nobody on the Zoom. >> I don't think we've done them before. >> No. It's unusual to not have I feel like it's unusual to not have anyone here for them in general. >> Yeah.
>> It's two tonight. >> Yeah. They have all the letters from um >> Western Nursery, although I don't see their contract signed with Western Nurseries. And that's the the other um group we just did did have everything
signed. Um but they, you know, all their licenses all appear to be in order. So I don't know what the board's wishes are this evening. >> There's a welcome letter from Western Nurseries, Jim Connley, in the packet. welcome them as a part of the 2526
season from November 1st to March 7th. >> Well, I think where it's under control of Western Nurseries, we could probably uh take a chance and uh and approve this. Um >> it being the first time for an alcohol license, it would be good if they showed
up. problem now is because we're not meeting until the >> 17th, you're going to sideline them for three for three meetings. Three um three weeks >> and it starts >> starts November 1st. Yeah.
>> Um I don't know. Does anyone have any opposition to considering it? Oh, >> I guess I'm technically they don't really have to be here, right, for the thing. So, it's a little >> it just feel it's so unusual because usually people are. So,
>> the letter doesn't say you have to appear. It says if you would like to participate remotely and it does say yeah, you may participate in this meeting in person virtually. >> Yeah. >> Um >> Oh, and I do see that I'm happy >> listed participants >> and they do have an accepted application
here from Western Nurseries. I hope you're doing well. I'm happy to say that I processed your application. I thought I heard somebody talking on Zoom. >> No. >> Oh, no. I'm sorry. That's internet. >> Yeah, the applications are out of water. >> Yeah. >> Oh, they are. That's why I'm like, why
am I >> He has surf safe. >> Yep. Yep. I'm willing to take a chance. >> I think it's okay. I think it's okay. Okay, I'll take a motion.
>> Uh, let's see. Is uh Okay, this point. Okay, I'll make a motion that the board approve a special license to sell wine at an agricultural event, the Winter's Farmers Market located at Western Nurseries from November 1st, 2025 to
March 7, 2026. this um special license to be issued to Jeff Venudi of Bliss Point LLC, one Fox Road, Bedford, Mass. >> Second that. >> Okay, we have a motion and a second. All those in favor? >> I
approved. >> Okay, that's it for licenses. Next up, we have reports and presentations. Um and we have someone here from NPCOG. Hello. Hi. Hi lady, ladies and gentlemen of the uh
select board. Uh my name is Michael Ashola. I'm the senior planner for housing and land use with the Northern Middle Sex Council of Governments. Um and I'm here tonight to um give you an overview of the recently completed um housing production fe um to field any questions you might have and to um
finally ask for the select board to recommend the plan for town adoption. Um tonight I'm going to give um an overview um give an introduction and go over the uh why maintaining a state approved HPP um is important to talk
about how the plan um fits with the other CHS for planning documents. Um and then I will present uh key findings from the community needs assessment. Um and after that we'll go over the goals and strategies that were developed uh to address the community needs. And
finally, we'll talk about um what's next after um town approval. Um just a brief overview of of the what actually I'll I'll go on to the um um about NIMCOG. We are uh the regional planning agency for um for LOL and the
greater LOL region including PPE. Um we're an 18 member uh policy board with representatives from nine municipalities in greater l um and our purpose is to increase municipal capacity um foster regional cooperation, coordinate um
regional projects and uh to provide local technical assistance which um is what we were giving on this this project. Um, for those of you that don't know, um, a housing production plan is a planning document used by, um, cities and towns in Massachusetts to proactively address housing issues,
um, particularly with the creation of affordable housing in a way that aligns with state goals, uh, local goals and state requirements under the Massachusetts General Law 40B law. The main goals for the HPP are to guide local housing policy and identify
current and future housing needs, to encourage an affordable housing development that fits the community, and to give the municipality more control over comprehensive permit 40bs um pro projects by showing measurable progress towards the state's 10% affordable um
housing target. Um a certified housing plan typically um includes a comprehensive needs assessment which gives a demographic um u preview uh of the community. Um it looks at housing stock affordability
trends and then identifies the gaps between um what's available and what's needed. Um it gives affordable housing goals quant quantitive goals um for producing affordable units over the next five years. um and imple implementation
strategies which are policy tools, zoning changes and partnerships um and funding sources to um leverage those goals. And the final part of the HPP is a land inventory that identifies potential sites for housing development
including town owned parcels. So um why maintain a um an approved housing housing plan when even when it's above the 10%? Um it gives you stronger local controls. It provides a roadmap uh for the community. It shows uh proactive
planning for housing needs. Um the plan it plans for demographic changes. It uh prepares for smaller households um and aging population and uh workforce housing needs. It protects against um uh
future SHI fluctuations. um every 10 years the denominator of the 10% um goal is calculated by the the current housing stock numbers. So even though right now we're over 10% in reality we're probably under 10% because
there have been more uh more units created during that that 10-year period. Um so it improves access to funding, it boosts competitiveness for grants like mass works, housing choice and other infrastructure needs. and it strengthens
u state alignment and regional alignment and also helps build transparency and con and um uh consensus on uh housing issues. So the planning process began about 16 months ago um and it's been a
partnership uh between the HAB u and NIMCOG with consultations from uh Evan Bansky the community development director. Uh the process included multiple public forums, monthly HAB meetings, stakeholder interviews, a public survey. Um it tried to capture
trying to capture what um housing looks like for the variety of Chubsford residents. Um the plan was recommended for adoption by the planning board in September and now we uh seek select board approval. You can go to the next slide.
Um the creating um Chumstr's future is an umbrella document with priorities, goals, and objectives that work toward the goals of the daughter projects plans and reports. Um the teams working on each plan reported and shared information including public um output
and the P plans were developed in unison and will work together to guide um to guide future decision decisions. Um after compiling data from census, the building department, HUD, um community outreach events, the um creating
Chumstrid's future survey and a variety of interviews and focus groups, we identified the following key findings. Sorry about that. I probably needed a uh an eye exam because I can't see the screen. All right. So, um, what we found was that there are
significant number of residents who make very low incomes and extremely low incomes where their housing needs aren't aren't being met. Um, home ownership is increasingly out of reach for the median um, income earner. Renters fare significantly significantly worse when
it comes to uh, when it comes to access and cost of housing. Um, higher income levels often pay less than 30% of their income on housing and occup uh and occupy housing that might be affordable to those who earn less.
Um, Chumsford has a growing population that will need accessible housing, especially seniors um and non-family households. Chsford has a growing need for smaller units uh suitable for individuals or small but growing families.
Um, there are racial disparities in mortgage approvals. um in Chelmsford that was uh it's a very small sample size um so it's hard to to say that it's um across the board but that there were um especially when it came to non-white Hispanic
um the the mortgage approval rate was really low um it's similar in in the the uh the other regions in Nimco as well um and then the final um major finding was that um sewer and water infrastructure
are near capacity So the um HPP goals are data-driven, state aligned and community-shaped uh targets for creating affordable and diverse housing. They bridge the technical um housing needs assessment with the the town's local vision and
zoning capacity. So it starts with the the um the needs assessment. We then quantify the production targets, align those with the demographic and market needs. Um, incorporate local vision and capacity including um vision uh
including past um planning efforts. Um and then we set implementation strategies. Um so within the um within the plan we identified five major goals. Um it's to
expand the housing unit availability and production goals of creating an average of 73 um uh subsidized housing inventory units each year. Um and what that number is, that's uh 0.5%
of the um overall housing uh housing units within the town. Um goal number two is to monitor existing deed restrictions for affordable housing. Uh goal three is to develop diversified housing options to affirmatively further
fair housing across the community. Um preserve and invest in the existing housing stock. And goal five to promote sustainable and efficient uh development forms and patterns. Um so strategies are the policies,
zoning tools, programs and partnerships um that the community adopts to produce or encourage housing, especially affordable housing consistency consistent with the goals. Each strategy has between four and seven um action items and there are a total of 20 action
items to support these strategies. Um the major strategies are to encourage and foster uh public and private partnerships to address housing needs for vulnerable populations. Strategy two to improve land use regulations and streamline development review processes.
Strategy three is to improve uh outreach to residents, boards, and committees on affordable housing opportunities and related services. And the fourth strategy uh was to utilize and promote existing and identify new funding sources and regional programs to support
residents in their need and necessary infrastructure. Um so the next step after local adoption um we would then submit the plan to EOHLC um for uh for approval that it's usually
between a um a 30 and 80day review period for that. Um once that that is um done, the the town could if if they meet the um the production goal get a certified um plan
from the state after that. Um however, when you're above 10% um kind of the certificate all the the benefits from the certification um are kind of um the same as if you're above 10%. So, um just having the this the EOHLC approved plan
um would be the next step and probably the u the only one that we would need um to go further. Yeah. So, tonight I'm I'm asking um for the select board to um locally adopt the
HPP um as the next step in the process. Does anyone have any questions? >> So, do we need to formally >> adopt it? >> Yeah. That way you can then submit it to the state for review and approval. >> Yeah. >> Okay.
>> I've been through it a couple times. So, >> yeah. >> My questions have long been answered. >> I guess I would say that >> it's nice to see Mike in person. I guess I would say that goal one seems awfully aggressive. 73. We don't I don't think we have 73 new units a year
anymore in >> you you do. It's close >> actually with the new with the um uh the US UMass West that almost yeah >> um but that's just the statutory
our um director of housing um and economic development has been through this um process a number of times and the state makes you put that 05. They won't approve the plan unless okay they have that there. Okay. If nobody has anything, Pat, you
have any questions? >> Nope. >> Comments? No. I'll take a motion. >> Okay. I'll make a motion that the um select board adopt the Chsford
housing 2025 to 2030. Um well, let me let me say that again. I'll make a I'll make a motion that the select board adopt the housing production plan for 2025 to 2030 as presented and um as
presented by Nimco. >> Second that. >> We have a motion and a second. All those in favor >> I >> I thank you. >> Thank you. Thanks again. >> Thanks. >> Okay. Okay. And we have one more report and presentation from our finance
director, John Souza. Hi, John. >> Good evening, Madame Chair, members of the board, town manager Cohen. So, last October, I appeared before the board asking you to um approve two donations totaling $40,000 from the Eustace and
Nancy M. Fisk Foundation to two town departments. And I'm pleased to say I'm here with more good news tonight. The Fisk Foundation's attorney contacted me earlier this month to make two additional donations. $20,000 to our public library and $20,000 to the
cemetery department. The donor has specified that donate the donations must be used for the same purposes for the library. Uh the donations must be used to collect, preserve, and update genealogical materials for the Chumsford area and to encourage the study and
research of such materials. and then for the cemetery department to be used for the repair of 17th, 18th, and 19th century headstones at forefathers burying ground. Since the foundation expressed a interest in making additional donations
in the future, town council has prepared a motion that includes language to cover the acceptance of donations that are received in future years. And this would eliminate the need for the board to annual vote annually to accept these donations that may come in the future. And I just wanted to say our public
library and cemetery department sincerely appreciate the Fisk Foundation's continued support and generosity and I respectfully request the board vote to approve these donations. >> Sounds good to me. >> I think it's good. But I, you know, I think the opportunity to just remind
everybody that these donations are coming. So if we vote this in now, these future ones can always be accepted. >> Yeah, they'll be accepted. But we'll come back and report to you when future donations come in. But they won't need a formal endorsement vote by the board. Yeah. >> Yeah. I'm good with that number
>> cuz it's good to get to get the publicity out there in the >> Yeah, I think it should be recognized. >> Okay. Take a motion. >> Okay. Uh I'll make a motion that the select board authorize the expenditure of the following donations of funds from
the Eustace B. Nancy M. Fisk Foundation by the respective town departments and consistent with the intent of the donors as follows. $20,000 and all future don d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d donations for the Chumsford Public Library to collect,
preserve, and update genealogical materials for the Chelmsford area to encourage study and research of such materials to be expended under the direction of the board of library trustees and $20,000
and all future donations for the Chumsford Cemetery Department for the repair of 17th, 18th, and 9th 19th century headstones in forefathers cemetery to be expended under the direction of the board of cemetery
commissioners. >> I second that. >> Okay, we have a motion and a second. All those in favor? >> I. >> Thank you, John. >> Thank you. >> Thanks, John. >> Thank you, John. >> Okay. >> Next up, we have a request for a stop
sign at the intersection of Northern Street and Westford Street. >> Yeah. Thank you, Madam Chair. Um the traffic safety committee continues to meet monthly obviously involves the DPW director, police chief, fire chief and so forth. U town engineer and and police
lieutenant. Um the request this month uh and again we bring them as come before the board. The select board has the authority and the only authority to approve stop signs in town. And this request is to install a stop sign at the location intersection of Woreren and
Westford Street as shown there with our cars driving up the hill. If you were to come back and go to the left, you know, that's where V's at that little common. There's a stop sign at the other one, but not one there. And now with the uptick of traffic with the detours, we're noticing the need and and we've
had some concerns from residents too. So what we basically would seek your authority is to install a stop sign um at that intersection um because again just to enhance the safety there. >> So there's no there's no like where the car is in the picture is where they want to put it that way.
>> Yes. Exactly. There's they're supposed to stop there either way. >> No. No. >> I've never So you have the cars coming in Westford Street and you know you'd have somebody who didn't see a stop sign even though as you know many roads don't have stop signs. You're entering an inter. want the traffic coming down Westford Street to stop.
>> No, no, no. Worthing Street to stop. Where that car would go. Where that car would go, you would stop. That's all. Just like if you went to the left there, you'd stop. And there is a fall stop sign there to the left. >> So, makes sense. >> Yeah. >> Makes sense.
>> Yeah. You can see the one see the one to the left. Now, there's one there, you know, if you go that way. But when you go right to onto you, there is not one. So that's that's the request is to basically to put one at the uh at the other side of the common over there to
the right there. So that way they both have stop signs. >> I always thought it needed it anyways when there was more traffic up there. So >> now I'll take a motion. >> I'll recommend the board uh approve the request to install a stop sign at the
intersection of Wor Street and Westford Street as presented. You second that. >> We have a motion and a second. All those in favor? >> I approved. Okay. And now we have a request to
install a memorial bench at Chumsford Country Club. Um, I know Jeff was fielding this, but he is not here this evening. And I see
some emails here. I know. I'm under the impression that there's a whole bunch of these that have been donated in the past. It's pretty right. >> Yeah. And this would be at the fifth whole tea box at the Chswood Country Club uh to recognize the Elks Golf League.
>> Do they put an Elks Golf League plaque on it? Is that what >> No, just the bench. And I think there'll be a little in a little plaque attached to the bench, but there nothing beyond that. There's no >> Yeah. Like I'm just curious what the
plaques say. Say alks. >> Yeah. >> I mean are they all >> is it going to list the number of the members who have passed on even though past is not spelled correctly? >> I don't believe so. I think my understanding is it would say that you
know in memory of those you know who participated in the you know Elks Golf League. >> Okay. like the other benches. >> Yeah, the other benches are all short specific name before, but >> yeah, apparently. >> Oh, so some of them do. >> No, I don't know. I just thought for this one,
>> they're all kind of a generic. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> And this is a bench, correct? >> Yep. It's a granite. So, the last >> a granite bench. >> Yeah. >> So, that's >> Okay. >> Okay. I'll take the motion.
>> All right. Uh let's see. Whereas the Elks have been playing at the Chelford Country Club for over 40 years, I'll make the following motion that uh the board approve a um solid granite bench to be placed at
the fifth hole tea box um to the Elks Golf League um as presented. >> Second that. We have a motion and a second. All those in favor? >> I I approved.
Uh next up we have town manager bit awards. >> Yeah. Just one for the board's approval this evening. Um we put out a formal bid RFP for the um agricultural land off of Watton Street which is currently um leased by Bits and Peace Farm. You may
know them more casually as Mike Raybeck and and Nancy Arrowway. Um they were the only bidder who submitted the proposal. Uh Christina, Bruce, and I reviewed the proposal. Um it uh corresponds to the RFP and uh and continues the the
investment in the property, which is what we always look to see uh taking place. And as you can see on in the bid documents, they they propose a series of improvements in fencing and soil and weather station and so forth over the uh
five-year uh lease period. Um, so again, we seek your confirmation of this bid award and again the intent always was and is is to keep agricultural use on that property so it doesn't sit fellow and that's the one if you get down Watton Street you know um to to the left
if you behind the community garden >> and they've been doing this right >> they've been doing it for five years you and um and so I think this is I think Mike's words this is probably their last five years but this is what they're looking to do >> and what's what's a high tunnel It It's that almost like when you see those
things that that you know the almost like a canopy. Yeah. >> The greenhouse structure. >> Exactly. >> Yeah. >> So this Oh, I'm sorry. >> No, I just never heard of it referred to that by by that way. But go ahead.
>> Um so this is not the lease. Um this is this is just the proposal. >> Yeah. We have council prepare a lease document, but we the board needs to accept the proposal and then and then >> so the proposal is um lease of $100 per year. >> Yep.
>> For and and the improvements as presented. Yeah. >> And the improvements as presented. Okay. Okay. Okay. >> Okay. I'll take a motion. >> Okay. I'll make a motion that the town
accept the proposal from Bits and Peas Farm LLC of 85 High Street, Chumsford, Mass for a 5-year lease at $100 per year
inclusive of all of the uh year 1 through five improvements as listed in the proposal. I second that. >> We have a motion and a second. All those in favor? >> I
thank you. >> Next up, town manager report. >> Yeah. M. Thank you, Madam Chair. Members of the board, I have seven items I just going to touch upon quickly this evening. You have them in your packet. The first one, uh, and probably most notable is we since our last meeting, we
did receive notice of the health insurance premium increases for our retiree Medicare supplement plans. Um, and as noted in the email that I sent you at the time the bids came in in the email that's in the packet, the increases are extraordinary. Uh, and unfortunately extraordinary for the
second year in a row. Um, so for the calendar year 26, which is the the year they run on the calendar year because they're tied to federal government Medicare. Um, MedX2 increases by 18.3% and the Medicare blue PO premium
increases 20.79%. Last year's increases for Medics 2 were 19.74 uh and 31.44% for the Medicare PO Blue. Therefore, if you look over this past 2-year period,
the monthly premium for the MedX2 plan has increased from $137 to 300 um by $137 from $330 to $467 in a two-year period. Uh again, that's 41
a.5%. And for the Medicare PO Blue plan, that premium increase is $196. It went from 334 to 530 and an increase of 58.8% uh in this 2-year period. So for calendar years 25 and 26. Um why this is
significant is the town funds these premiums for almost for for the 875 retiree subscribers that are age 65 and older. The um current budget for that is $4.57 million. Um and and obviously it's
notable you also have these retirees who are you know are are living on their retirey earnings having to pay the 40 you know their 40% share in that level of increase. So our heart goes out to these folks. Um and that was sort of my first thought. Never mind the impact of
the town but this is having impacts on individuals. uh and again we hope that there'll be some efforts by our government leaders to result in some health insurance reform because this this pathway is not sustainable. Um so
that's the the issue there. Well, was there any did they do we what do you think the the reasoning >> may I mean I'm not trying to put you on the spot but you know I mean it's probably partially demographic and then just the the the day I understand but I
mean do they cite any particular >> reason or another or is it or I mean I never get a reason when my health insurance premiums go up at the office either. So, uh, >> this is what my my understanding is and
sort of you have hospitals losing money, which you've seen the state just bail out. Some of the hospitals, not just Stewart a year ago, but they had to put money in the budget this year to assist the state's hospitals, not only the community hospitals, but your private
hospitals are losing funds as far. Then you have the insurance providers who are losing money. Blue Cross, Blue Shield lost money. They they're offering a buyout to employees that are 55 and older. You you saw in the news last week. Um Compass, which is the TUS the
TUS Harvard Pilgrim Plan, they they've announced layoffs um because they're in the red. Um and then you have subscribers who are demanding increased services. Um so there's enough blame to
go around. Here's what's happening is the you know the cost of care is increasing. you have what's some of that's by pharmaceuticals. Um, some of that is advertised pharmaceuticals, but some of it, um, you know, the when I say
advertised pharmaceuticals, it's you whatever you see on TV, every other commercial, um, from either weight loss drugs, the GLP1s, um, that are um, expanding exponentially in popularity uh, and and likely to
continue as they now we understand that by February or so, a few months, they'll be offered in a pill form as opposed to some people who don't want to do the injections for the wgoies than some of the others. Uh and that's why you're seeing the plans curtail or drop this coverage. The most expensive part though
of pharmaceutical care is um specialty drugs, especially the remarkable ones they've done for cancer research and others that are they're just very costly. So we've we've come a point where we have tremendous capability with science, but it's very costly. Um, and
we, you know, and so you're not only paying for those that are successful, but you also pay for those drugs that aren't successful and fail. Um, and and the other thing you're seeing is when people are going to emergency rooms now, the level of increased care that they're receiving is is has is significantly
increased. So if we were to leave here now and literally go down to Mass General or Vlehey or I'm sure LOL General is more likely than not we're going to see people out in the corridors you know receiving care and the level of care is significant u which is you know
it so it's just a a combination of everything and then just general pace of inflation in terms of you know facility operations and everything else. So um you know the state has tried and had benchmarks for to control the cost but
thus far they've not been attained um and so we are starting obviously there's no solution at the federal level um and we have seen some states adopt some local reforms but the biggest challenge in Massachusetts is is we're sort of tied into it because the state's largest
employer is Mass General Bighams and we're obviously very tied into the pharmaceutical industry. So years ago, people used to joke about the military-industrial complex about how that was taking a lot of part of the federal government, the federal budgeting. We in Massachusetts are part
of a health care complex that employs a lot of people, but also provides, you know, great work just like defense work is great in the big picture. Uh it's just it just costs, you know, and of course people give outliers like, oh well, look what the CEO is making of X Y
andZ hospital or X Y andZ health plan. But by and large it's we've become a society that is you know more and more utilizing and obviously an an increased lifespan you know uh and so forth and so you know you you just sort of have this
perfect scenario of of cost drivers between you know again the all the players including the subscribers who are demanding services and and those who are seeking it. So I we don't there doesn't appear to be a clear path out and that's the concern is it's not a
anomaly. It appears to be a trend and we we met with uh our insurance advisory committee few weeks back and we're seeing our current data you know our claims are are matching our premiums which is a loss because you you pay more
to run a health program than just your premiums that then your claims are going against it because you also have administrative costs and so forth. So, we're expecting going forward that you will see double-digit increases um in the years ahead and that's part of what John Souza described at town
meeting in his budget uh forecast uh last week. Thank you. Uh so the the moving on other good news of the town um regarding the South
Chumps Fire Station groundwater PAS assessment um again in the three weeks since our last meeting and including up to this afternoon uh this afternoon they've submitted the response to the um response action and additional
assessment uh to the D. The good news is is the PAS that was in the groundwater at the site did not migrate down to the only public well in the area which was at the horse farm across the street on Actton Road near Engine 5. The other thing that was
striking that I saw today which isn't in your packet because it just came in today. The groundwater flow is is is not to part of the reason it's not in the ground is not in the farm is the groundwater flow is the other way. So if you were to stand in front of the fire
station, the test results that have that have been performed by our our LSP indicate the groundwater flow is going from the front of the stage fire station to the rear. So that's really peculiar. So we think that that's good news for us in the big picture because the only
source of that PAS contamination likely was that underground fuel storage tank that was removed decades ago that was installed when the station was built in the 1960s. Um because you know anytime you have an underground tank you're always gonna have some residual and even though they cleaned it out at the time
that may have because again you're talking parts per trillion but think about it if the flow is going that way you know from the front to the back of the fire station. It's not coming from the horse farm of the land and it's not coming from Loheed Martin either because it's going the other way. So, the good
news is is we're kind of hopeful that this will be a pretty good closeout. Uh that we'll basically say there doesn't seem to be any other evidence of migration or other source contamination. And um so again, I'll keep you updated, but that's where things stand as of
about 3:00 this afternoon when I filed with the uh electronically with the LSP to submit the uh report to the D at this point in time. So again some more work will continue but the early indications because that was the big question is what's the flow of groundwater
uh and that was why the D wanted us to test the horse farm well even though it's not used for the residential consumption and it's going the other way. So that's that's you know again this is the issue the everywhere contaminant PAS >> right. Um, so the good news is is it's
not like there's something big out there that oh my gosh, what have we stumbled into? It appears that this this may be a lo local locally locally, you know, event. So that's good news. >> When this gets done, does that area where that was get cleaned up? >> Yeah, there there'll be some plan for
remediation, but probably minor may just be injection of something be the end of it. So again, I'll keep you updated on that. Um, the next thing I have is the some some real quick ones. The Massachusetts Department of Environmental Protection approved the
permit for the um Southwell boat ramp. Um, this came in just on the cusp of the last meeting. The good news is is this basically followed all the environmental work, you know, supported by the Army Corps of Engineers and others. And so in speaking to Representative Elliott,
we're hopeful that perhaps by this time next year that new boat ramp will have been procured and installed, um that's the hope is that we're within a year away from this project um being completed. This was a big step. This took, you know, years to get to this
point of permitting and and site plans and environmental review by the core of engineers and so forth. >> Is there a short answer why it takes so long? And if it's a long answer, >> no, there is no short answer. It's just a federal bureaucracy, >> suitable reply.
>> Yeah. And and yeah, and and the reason that it can't get done next spring is they don't want to do it in the high water season, >> right? >> Um so there and it's actually going to be a poured ramp. The again, if I if I ruled the world, I would have just dropped a pre-fabricated ramp and just been done with it in a day. But that's
not how the when you're dealing with groundwater and environmental. Okay, >> that's that. in any work within any waterways these days. Exactly. Forever over the top difficult. >> Yeah. Exactly. Like putting in a dock. Simply simple as putting in a dock as you probably know. It's like it's ridiculous. >> Yep.
>> All right. Um the other good news is the Massachusetts Executive Office of Energy and Environmental Affairs has approved the town submission of the open space and recreation plan. This was was noted earlier when Michael was here and he worked on that one too. Um this uh the
revised uh plan for protection, enhancement, and expansion of the town's open space recreation plan has been approved. This has a 10-year um grant period. So, this would enable the town to obtain some grants to either improve, you know, let's say handicapped
accessibility or other acquisitions of trails and open space lands over the next decade. So, that's good news and want to thank everyone from the conservation commission and others who contributed to that. Um, the other good news on grants is is the uh chief um
Collins Spence informed me and you have the paperwork here, the town did receive a $34,000 uh public safety grant for for municipal road safety uh from the Commonwealth uh as part of the traffic safety grant awards. So, that's good news. um they
came out about the time that that they were having those issues with the uh the uh vehicle gatherings for lack of a better word in some of the areas which fortunately has not occurred though thus far in town. Um other good
news is um we did receive a grant from the Massachusetts interlocal insurance association u for $25,000. This was uh applied to by our two public safety chiefs, Chief Spence and Chief Ryan, as well as our HR director, um Lisa Moroni.
And this will provide the um cancer screening for the um the esophagard uh for um for what we believe will be 40 uh public safety employees who will take advantage of that. You remember this sort of picks up off where we left off when we did the cancer
screening with the ARPA monies a couple years ago. So that's that's that's that's great. Uh and uh again, thank everybody for their assistance with that. And then lastly, we received notice from the Commonwealth of the annual dispersement of the
transportation ride share. This, as we mentioned, this is the 20 cent per ride and the Uber and Lifts and other ride share programs. And this past for this past year, the town received uh $18,763 which would have which would meant that
187,630 uh rides originated in the town of Chsford. >> That seems high. >> Yeah, it seems high. But yeah, when you think about that of 50 weeks a year or 365 days a year, >> I mean, >> it's that's a lot of rides, but obviously it pales to what you see in Boston and Cambridge, but it's Yeah. But
yeah, that that that amount has been pretty static for >> what's going on in air that they have 2,000 or maybe that's a typo and it's supposed to be 20,000. >> No, no. If you're that Yeah. If you're that far away from the urban I mean >> what is that? We didn't get much. >> No. No. Um but I mean you look at Boston
is you know almost 39 million you know ride shares and Cambridge which has you know 55.6 million. Um you know Carl is 6,736. So depending upon your population and where you're located on the list. So that's and where that
money that money is restricted and directly expended by the DPW for transportation related projects and then periodically they have to file reports to the state on make you know in accordance to they can be audited for their intended use. So that's my report for this evening.
>> Okay. Thank you. Um, next up we have town manager appointments. >> Yeah, just one this evening is Courtney Everett to serve for the holiday decorating committee. Obviously a welcome addition to the committee that and that that term would go through um
the end of next month and we're hoping that if she has a good experience over the next several uh weeks that um her and others will will come back um for next year's holiday prelude. >> Okay. I'll make a motion that the board
approve the town manager's appointment of Courtney Everett to the holiday decorating committee as presented. >> I second that. >> Okay, we have a motion and a second. All those in favor? >> I >> I
>> Congratulations, Courtney. >> Okay, and now we have some meeting minutes. the regular meeting minutes from October 6th. Does anyone have any comments, edits? >> No. >> Okay. Pat.
>> Okay. I'll take a motion. I'll make a motion that the board approve the meeting minutes of uh October 6th. >> Second that. >> Okay, we have a motion and a second. And all those in favor? >> I >> I
>> Okay, and with that almost all of our business is done. We just have leazison reports and referrals. Um Pat Maloney, would you like to give any reports? I just I have a couple things just to report on tonight. So, uh
we'll do the uh permanent building committee first. So, the uh permanent building committee is working on the two fire stations project uh engine 3 and engine five. Um that work is ongoing.
The design develop design development set of plans are supposed to be complete by Friday this week, October 31st. And with that completion of the design development um plans, that will then go
to um the professional estimating firm that will be um providing a uh a budget on the plans as they're drawn today. Um so um I would guess those kinds of estimates normally take around four to
five weeks to to produce. So long about December we'll have an idea of um what um the cost should be for the for the two fire stations. Um in addition to that there is um there's a
page turn review that we'll all be attending on November 6th at 1:00. Um the um they have uh I believe they're done with the well the next planning board meeting will be November 12th to to uh further um that work. They uh meet
with the conservation commission November 10th at 12:00. Um and uh and then once we get the budget back then they'll be released to start the CDs. But they'll actually start some of that work now um just to
just uh move ahead. So, uh, with all of that, um, there'll be some back and forth over the next few months, but the, um, bidding schedule is for March, uh, 2026, and we're hopeful that, um, they
get out for then because if we can get the numbers in for then, then then, um, they will, um, be able to get started next uh, summer. and the construction of the two stations that'll run concurrently. So there'll be two stations shut down for 18 months. Um and
uh so that will hopefully start next spring or summer and uh and get done maybe a little bit quicker than 18 months. So that's the fire station. And then um the um
school building committee uh we met last week and um right now the architect is working on uh basically um going and um uh reviewing existing conditions of the school because one of
the first things that we have to do is um is look at the existing school to see if it's salvageable and we have to actually look at that as a as an addition and renovation project. Uh it's one of the steps MSBA requires, the Mass
School Building Authority requires of us. So even though it's not really um thought that we would be able to salvage that school, it's still uh an option that we need to work through to do additions and alterations. Um further to
that um the architect as I said in previous meetings is are on board now and um so they will um um really start to get rolling along. The first things that we'll be looking at um and there'll
be some upcoming uh visiting um um meetings uh for the general public that I encourage everybody to attend so that you can really focus in on what's going on. But um we have several different options that we're going to be um going
through and um as much um public input as we could get from the town would be uh very much appreciated. So uh those um future events are uh we just had one um last week and that was
uh community forum number one, community forum number two. And this will be after our regular committee meeting on November 20th. But uh so forum number two will be at the Elks up on Route 110 November 20th. And um and then the final
uh community forum will be um December 17th. So again, I encourage the general public to just come hear what's going on and and participate in the visioning so that um you know, we can move this project forward and everybody has a good sense of of uh really what is going on.
Our next committee meeting uh for the school building committee will be November 20th um followed by December 18th, January 15th, and February 12th. And all meetings start at 6:00. Um I believe that's all I have. So work is
progressing nicely on all that and uh we keep pressing >> and we should know by the end of April the direction and cost estimate, right? >> Yes, exactly. >> So again, it's like six months away. >> Yeah. >> So there's a lot of work that's got to be done. >> There's a lot going on over there. >> Well, you should get some people
Somebody posted in the um mother's club divisioning thing I saw in there a few days ago. That's good. >> Good feedback actually from >> Yeah, I've seen it a couple places. I think you'll get some >> That's what I'm hearing. And you know, some of these things, you know, um I I
guess you know, we've all been to many many many many visiting sessions over the years and um but this was a little bit presented a little bit more interestingly and and uh I think it really uh encouraged the
participation of the general public. So again, can't say it enough. Please come participate on those dates and u we'd love to see you there. Thank you. Okay. >> Um, yeah, it's been u been three weeks
since we've been here. So, I have a several things. Uh, first of all, the the outside book lockers are now available for use at Adam's Library. If you go up to the side of the the building, you'll notice these uh these uh small lockers where you can um reserve a book and it'll be put out
there and you'll get instructions on how to come and retrieve it after hours. So you don't have to go during business hours to get to get your books and your other material from the library anymore. And they already have one up in at McKay Library that's been in operation for several months now. So seems to be uh
something that's very popular. >> Yeah. You think of why they think of that sooner. I mean think you can then go and retrieve your ivory materials in a locker. They give you the code >> anytime. Yeah. That's great. >> Yeah. So bicycle and pedestrian advisory committee has a a couple of things I wanted to report on. First one is they
did their annual trail count on September 13th. Um they counted 1588 total users uh which includes walkers, runners, bicyclists, rollers and everything in between. Um which is um
it's been trending up. It's not as high as it was obviously before COVID, but um it has been trending up lately. So that's a good thing. And also they wanted to announce on November 2nd, which is this coming Sunday, at 11:00 a.m. they're going to do the dedication for the Daphne Freeman plaque that we
approved a while ago. So that'll be out there by by Brook House, right next to the um the um the uh plaque for uh Carol Club and it's there now. So, Sunday at 11:00 a.m., um, a couple of ribbon cutings recently,
uh, last week, uh, at the the Sonoko station on Chelsea Street, right at Fletcher Street, they had a a reopening ribbon cutting. They have rem renovated the inside and the outside. It looks very nice. Uh, very impressive. So, uh,
stop by if you need some gasoline or a diesel or >> they added diesel, too. >> Added diesel. They did. >> They added diesel. And they have every possible type of beverage drink in the world inside. That's all that's inside. Got a whole lottery ticket. >> Yeah.
>> Um and the other ribbon cutting last week was Nishoba Valley Technical High School. Um they opened their new cosmetology section with a ribbon cutting and and just a reminder that is open to the public. If you want to have your your hair done there, you just have to call and make an appointment. So,
um, the LRTA, um, they've been for a few years now, they've been having a bus to, um, to Feeasant Lane Mall during the holidays and they are going to do that again this year. Um, it it goes from, um, the train station in Lel and it goes
up Middle Sex Street through Vinyl Square and up Kingsboro Road to the Feeasant Lane Mall. So, if you're on that route, you know, the LRTA buses are on demand. So you just wave your hand and they will stop for you. But going to to to Feeasant Lane Mall, it's only
going to be five different days this holiday season. It'll be the Friday after Thanksgiving for Black Friday and then every Saturday in December. So, and they pretty much run from 8 to 8 on those days, 8:00 a.m. to 8:00 PM. You
can see a more specific schedule on the LRTA uh website, but it's probably like every hour to hour and a half that it it goes through. And lastly, the uh recycling committee had a very successful zero waste day over the the weekend. Almost 400 cars
came through. some of the uh folks that came to to to take some of the stuff away, they filled up their trucks and couldn't even stay till the end, which was kind of unfortunate, but it shows how much people are using those services. So, it's all I have, >> right?
>> Um yeah, I we had so unfortunately since our last meeting, I missed the board of health and the COA. So, my apologies to those folks and I I didn't get updates from them, but we'll we'll do that for next time. Um and there were two planning board meetings um in that time frame too and as we know they're pretty
busy. So I'm just going to kind of quickly touch over those. So on our on the um the meeting on October 8th was the um the the start of the review of the um Chford Water District's Past plant. So again kind of interesting
things to sit and learn about that and and learn a little bit about how the plant operates and and that type of stuff. So again, all of those meetings are recorded and they're super easy to get to the website. So if you want a little bit more detail, rely on that versus my commentary. Um and in the last
meeting um a couple of key ones there was they opened a new public hearing on the 10 Independence Drive, which is the Rison up behind the the um the at the end of uh where the post office is, right? >> And they're um yeah, Alpine Land. Thank you. Um, and they're looking to add,
they're doing the adult daycare over there, but they're looking to add 15 apartments on their second floor and a 32 seat um, pizza restaurant. So, that's ongoing. Um, they had what I I think is going to be pretty close to the last
meeting here on the 1919 Riverneck Road um, for that contractor yard that the Commonwealth wants to put in over there. Um, so they really got through the traffic stuff the last time, but there was a, you know, there's a lot of information there that people should know and and I thought the traffic stuff
was really um, uh, is kind of the most interesting stuff on just that road in general and things that could be done to enhance um, safety and those types of things. I definitely think that's yeah, if you're if you're a user of Rivenneck Road, just I would go and and watch that
hearing um to hear what the um the the town's peer reviewer had to say um as well as the uh the applicants um uh presenter. And then they uh had the followup on the 131 Princeton Street. That's the new liquor store going up um
up uh in uh going north of town. And um they're still doing some work on that. So, they're actually going to have to come back to us for um uh to update their liquor license because their plans have changed. So, there'll be more on that. And then um the 152 Sedman Street,
that's the solar farm that was continued to the 12th. And just so that everybody knows, um on the 12th also is going to be that meeting for or so far is the plan to have the Chford Mall on there um as well as the Riverneck Road project.
So, please check the website before you show up to make sure that those are not continued to a further date. Um, and again, they're televised live, so you can certainly watch live um on those, too. So, even though town meeting is over, the planning board still continues to be pretty busy and those are
important projects that people should be >> taking the Yeah, I just I don't know. I feel like I've been extra busy and I just sit in the audience. only have one scheduled meeting in November and December because of the Thanksgiving holiday and the Christmas holiday. So, yeah, they're going to be busy that night, but that's the only night they go
out that month. And we're on there for the fire stations that same night. So, that meeting on the 12th is going to be forever. >> Yeah. And then just coming up, um the age friendly will have their regular meeting here on the 29th and Vinyl Square um meets on 11:10. Again, open to
the public. If you want to go in and sit at any of those. >> Wasn't that liquor store? didn't we extend their license already last year, >> but now they've tried to they're trying to extend the building up by adding that by adding >> I think they extended their license a couple of times now. It's been >> Yes.
>> I mean, they're still paying it. >> Yeah, they're still paying it, but they you remember they originally was going to have a basement, then they did away with the basement, so now they have the storage on the second floor. So, now they've modified the exterior appearance with less windows and so forth. And now they want to put a penthouse up on top of the building. >> Three stories
>> that you can do that for like wine tastings and so forth. >> Yeah, there there's a >> Oh, really? >> So, the elevator shaft goes all the way up, but now they've added a a space, I think, up to 29 people, but don't obviously quote me on that, to be able to do um like these invite only tastings,
>> right? And it can only be tastings because under Mass's law, you you can't mingle a package store license with the, you know, consumption on premises license. >> Yeah. you know, and so so that's you know, so you can do wine tasting like, you know, Harrington's always had wine
tasting in the building and others do, you know, little bounce, but >> this >> and there's there's definitely rules and it's a little bit of self-pleasing. >> Yeah. >> With that tasting thing. >> Yeah. And then the ABCC does their own policing. >> Yeah. >> Oh, I'm sure. Well, yeah, because >> because the plant has changed. >> Anyone who's been wine tasting knows
that there's a there's a thin line. And just for those that that apparently, you know, if you need to have gas run to your facility now too, um they have to put a propane tank out in the parking lot because National Grid can't get to them until like April or May or something to get gas to the building
>> because it's winter. >> Might be might be April or May till the license gets approved as modified anyway because they haven't come before us and that takes a while. We know. So again, they they know they have to do that. So >> years and years. >> Yeah.
But it's it's still moving along. >> Okay, >> that's all I have. >> Okay. Um I don't have anything. So that's So that's all we've got. I'll take a motion. >> I guess then
I will make a motion to adjurnn. >> I'll second that. >> A motion in a second. All those in favor? I I next meeting will be April I'm sorry, November