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Part 1 (Video ID: kG9J5Z_QgQU):
- 00:00:00: Meeting Start & Public Input Guidelines Introduction
- 00:00:31: Lamir Court Deck Variance: Initial Applicant Presentation
- 00:05:16: Exploring Alternative Solutions: Land Swap, Special Permits
- 00:12:39: Board Straw Poll and Member Concerns on Variance
- 00:20:50: Groten Road ADU: Applicant's Proposal For Accessory Dwelling
- 00:24:38: Legality of ADU's Overages, Reasoning and Existing Conditions
- 00:31:11: Visual Review of ADU's Site and Technical Documents
- 00:32:54: Document Review and Letters of Concern on ADU
- 00:36:31: Closing ADU Hearing, Motion to Approve
- 00:38:29: Riverneck Road Comprehensive Permit: Continuance Motion
- 00:41:49: Meeting Minutes Review and Adjournment


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Board of Appeals meeting May 7th, 2026. Public input. Public input shall be limited to statements from the public relating to any issues in the jurisdiction of the Chumsed Zoning Board of Appeals that are not currently the subject of a pending public hearing before the zoning board of appeals.

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Public comment on any pending public hearing shall only be heard during such public hearing and may be limited to three minutes. There any public input tonight? Seeing none, we have an administrative

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review which is two Lamir Court, a preliminary review for a variance. Someone there to speak of that tonight. Going to approach the podium, get your name and address and we'll get started. >> How you doing? I'm uh Richard Cantell

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and I live at Tulumir Court and uh as you stated, I'm looking for a variance. Uh it's just for building a deck and um I'm new to home ownership. I'm new to all this, you know, >> we'll walk you through it. >> I'm just kind of getting my feet wet and

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doing all of these things. I've spoken with Jose. He said this is my first step. Um basically I need uh I need the variance because my my house was actually built into my 25 foot setback by few feet anyway. Um which is odd.

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And um yeah, so when I went for a permit, he said, "Yeah, you're not going to be able to without permission from you guys." So I don't know really know where to go from there. So it's a pre-existing non-conforming. And do we have a picture of what you'd like to have done or is just these

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drawings? >> Yes, I got I mean >> there's not one on the plot. >> Oh, sure. Approach. >> That is the And then the sketches are here. >> This is the Oh, no. You have that? >> Yep. Yeah. I didn't see it till the center. >> Thank you. >> Actually, would you mind letting us

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borrow that one because I'm just realizing that I forgot to scan in the one with the proposed on there to put on the agenda if everyone wants to take a look at it. >> Did the other. >> Yeah. So, my apologies. I have the um >> uncertified plot plan on there and just

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realized that I don't have the proposed drawn in just the um >> yeah the um sketch of it. >> What side is the deck on? >> Let me go back to the >> right. It's going this way. >> It's actually going to be closer to the

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sideline there. So it's off the left side of the house. >> 5.8 It'll be extending out 14 ft and along the home 30 ft, which should not be as concerning as the 14.

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And now we have 159 and 197. >> Yeah, I have a pre-cast set of stairs there. That's the 15 159. >> I see. I see. So that'll be coming out and the deck will be going on. Yeah, >> correct. >> I'm assuming that the deck is coming off

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on that side because that's where you have like a door and the other side bedroom. >> Correct. >> That's great. Why would you build it like that? >> Do you know if there's any uh utility lines under where you're proposing to go? >> I have not dig safe the property yet,

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but um I do know my both my gas and my sewer come out of the back of the house. I don't know which side they turn to. >> Um, there's no other place to put the deck. You You can't go off like a bedroom even or something. >> I have one sliding door and it's right

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where that set of stairs is. So, >> you don't want to put another sliding door in? >> No, I I don't think I could. >> You could? Yeah, I would have to pretty much reshape the whole house, the whole downstairs cuz the whole backside is all is kitchen and a and a bathroom. So, I

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would have to rearrange the whole floor plan just for >> I'm just thinking outside the >> I thought about it, too. I go where else can I put >> a little addition someplace and go out that >> I don't really have the money for that. >> The money for the deck. That's about it. >> Is is that a bulkhead in the rear?

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>> Uh, yes, >> the rear left corner. Correct. Creating even more of a hardship there. >> I'm just pulling up the GIS map for you so you can see where the house is in relation to the other >> houses.

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So we we won't be taking a vote on this tonight. He he is in just to uh understand how the board feels about this and whether that the idea of moving ahead like this would be a good idea. >> Is this a variance or can he do the 20%? So it's a pre-existing nonconforming,

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>> but he would be increasing the nonconformity by continuing to the satellite. So it would be a variance >> if uh I could suggest, and I'm not sure that you'd like this idea or not, but if we kept to the 159, giving you a walkway

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to the back of the house, uh you could put the deck along the back, you just would you'd have to walk out, go to the rear, and go that way. Obviously that bulkhead doesn't make it a very uh >> immediately. Yeah. >> Again, just trying to figure a way to do

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it so we're not granting a variance that is really uh stretching. And I completely understand what someone did when they when they made the lot and they made the house is >> Yeah. No one does. They go, "Why couldn't you just move it 30 feet over?

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I'd be all right." Yeah. You know, plenty of room. >> Mhm. >> But >> have you talked to the neighbor on the >> Yes. Yeah. >> Yeah. They're good with it. >> Oh yeah, he's great. Okay. Yeah, >> all my neighbors are. I actually went around. I got a little list. I says, "Hey, is this going to be okay with you guys?" Yes. >> Would a neighbor sell you some land?

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>> We were talking about that because believe it or not, part of my driveway is on his property. >> Oh. >> Which is a strange thing. Uh it's just I don't know what happened there. Like the whole thing is kind of weird. And uh so >> where is where is your driveway on the on the >> uh I don't think

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>> you look on here Brian you can see >> on that one you know it's a bit strange then kind of his backyard where he's you know kind of expanded. He's got like a compost pile that's technically on my land when I just got it surveyed and he's like well I you you have some of the front I'll

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get some of the back. And I go maybe one day we'll we'll figure out just straightening that line out. You can do that swap. It's even not that complicated with two agreeing parties. >> Yeah. >> Uh he could sell you a portion of that land at least to get you for a special permit. >> Yeah. >> And maybe that would solve the the

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driveway issue as well as a good uh >> It's funny. When I moved in, I go, "You're going to keep that part of the driveway clean, right? >> You got to shovel. >> You'll be gone two in the morning going, "Hey, that's that shovel." >> No, he's a great guy. He's a 80-year-old carpenter. Guy's a guy's incredible.

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He he said uh you just build it right to the property line if they let you. I don't think they'll let me do that, but do what I can. >> Would would you mind having a conversation with him about that and maybe talking to a surveyor about what it would cost to put together

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a land swap? Because if you agree to a swap, you can get this non uh without a variance, which is kind of a problem for us. It's not impossible. um the the house in a very unfortunate way, but we have to I mean, you have a unique lot shape.

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>> Well, I think um I think it would still be I would still be in a setback no matter what. >> Even if I did straighten the line out cuz kind of right where my house is is >> that's like the middle point. You know what I mean? So, >> if you swap and keep it the same size for both, can you

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>> you do you do an equal swap of footage? Yeah, typically >> you could probably do you could change the angle and then swap some of them in the back to give him a little bit of a pork chop. >> You can literally make the lot line do that. It's uh not very pretty, but it does work. >> Are there any wetlands involved?

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>> Uh, no. It's the issue with the varian it's not really close. You know, >> you know, something like >> more here, right? So, do that >> 4.7 ft before your property line. um to to make it uh a special permit,

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you'd want to get is it 25 the setback Jose? >> 25. That's >> Yeah, there it is. Yeah. >> But unfortunately, he's already >> he's already within it. >> So, yeah, >> like my kitchen's in it. >> You'd have to gain if you went to 20% you could have 20 feet, which is really

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you're not even at 20 feet. So a question Brian if he really loud if he did the land swap and got let's say whatever he's trying to make the deck now uh the deck is how wide is

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the deck 14 >> 14 by 30 >> right? So if he got >> 280 ft, >> let's say he got 14 ft from his neighbor and extended the deck 14 ft. So his non-conformant stayed exactly where it was.

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>> He would he would be fine. He would actually be entitled to five more feet if we were inclined to grant a special permit. Is it >> you go five more feet on the non-conformance with a special permit? >> Right. It's 20%. >> And the setback is 25.

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What about >> if you were to do so where your slider is, you have kind of like a enough of a a walkway like a 4ft section but wrap the deck around the back. >> We're talking about that. But I have a bulkhead right at the corner.

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>> It's going to cover his bulkhead. >> Thought of that, too. Yeah. >> The special permit would get him to 20, right? Not not >> correct. He would he would but he he has 197 well in the front he has 197 at this at the uh the nonconformity is 15'9

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>> so he's >> that's what he could go to >> he couldn't go down to 11 with a special permit it would be the >> 15 right it would be the the existing setback >> but if he got the 14 ft from his neighbor and then he just kept the

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offset at whatever it is 59 >> 59 yeah >> so he just move the landline to the left, move the deck to fill the new space. So, he's still at 59. Would he not need any >> He would not need relief from us, >> right? So, he could just do it at that

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point because he's not increasing his non-conformance. He's maintaining it thoughform >> moving a bunch of stuff, >> right? And then at some point, and I'm not going to do the engineers work, but at some point in the in the back left corner, you could give him a portion of land that would equal the 280 ft. And

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>> he's got a big garden all pretty close to the I don't think he could be 14 feet. >> Yeah. And I think Jose is saying that it would increase the neighbors nonconformity. It would make that >> create it would create another non-conformity. >> Yeah. He's got a garage built right

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there. I don't think it would pan out. Well, we we can and again this is just a straw poll, but we can consider the variance in >> uh there certainly is a you know a a lot shape. >> Yeah, it's a really unique situation like so

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>> crazy there's so much the house is right there. I know >> it's odd. It's definitely odd. >> Yeah. Like who builds a house? >> Yeah. Right. >> Like Jose had said I mean the the setbacks were set in like the 60s and the house was built in the 70s. So I don't even understand how it got >> Oh yeah. >> that far over right into the setback,

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you know? So >> that just stinks for you. Yeah. >> Yeah. I know. That's why I'm >> Yeah. >> I want to do everything right. I don't want like So people like build it. You can't just build it. I go you out of your mind, you know. >> That guy was pretty smart. Got >> Pete's taking it down. I

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>> know. I have Well, I have other plans. You know, I want to be on the right foot with everybody here. You know, I'm a new homeowner and I want to do a few other things and I'm not trying to do anything I'm not allowed to do. >> Right. Right. So, >> Right. Yeah, >> I guess I would ask for a straw poll. Who would feel that the

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>> uh the onus has been met to grant a variance in this case? >> I would Charlie, >> I'm still thinking. >> Okay. >> Would that be a half? >> Undecided. >> Yeah, >> I like a half. I don't know. One and a

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half. I mean, I like the idea that coming around like you said in the back with the bulkheads there and those are very expensive to dig up and try to cut the found, you know. So, that's ridiculous. >> Excavation. Exactly how much that cost? Cuz I thought about it. I go,

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>> is that a is it a twostory like uh is it a walk out in the back or is it underground? Oh, wait. No, cuz you have bulkhead. Yeah, >> it's bulkhead. Yeah. So he has a full basement, probably 24 in foundation height. >> This would be very expensive to do it. >> Yeah.

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>> When you get to that point now, you need to build a second set of stairs to get out of the bulkhead. >> Yeah. >> And climb up onto the deck. And I've never seen one that worked well. Honestly, I've done a few. It's It's >> At least you're honest. >> It's a nightmare. Yeah. >> Well, excuse me. I had one of those and it worked pretty well.

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>> Here's a street view. Maybe you should give him your card >> because I I've had trouble with them. I've done them and and they work. >> I had a house with one. >> Yeah. >> Tricky. >> Uh Danny, do you think that this would be a variance you'd consider approving?

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>> I talked over one. My opponent. >> I'm I'm still undecided right now. >> I'm still thinking about this. >> I would go with it. You >> I personally am in favor of it. >> Steve, what are you thinking on this? >> I could not. It would have to be a super majority to get a variance which is a four to one

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vote. >> Okay. >> I got three out of four so far. >> But the two halves >> one official voter is not >> two undecided. >> And the other issue that come up is the board may not be the same when you come back.

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>> Okay. Um, and we cannot approve it tonight either way or or disprove it because we're not we don't advertise for a variance. >> Okay. >> I'll give you guys a minute or two to think it through. It's a tough one. I I I've expected >> just think like the neighbor on the

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side, you know, if he's all for it and says build to the line and he's not against it and stuff like, you know, >> I think a a poll like that with the neighbors is always important. You know, we had a a situation not long ago that we built a fire station one

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foot from the line and a lot of it had to do with the neighbor saying, "It's okay with me. I think it's great. I'm all for it." So, having someone testify as such would make a significant impact, I think. >> He would definitely come down.

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>> Yeah, that's helpful. >> And even a letter would be acceptable, but it's certainly more effective in person. >> Yeah. Okay. I'm not going to break Steve down, but >> I have a reputation. >> Very killer. >> I mean, I I certainly

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understand the situation and and would love to support it. I'm just I'm stuck on the variance. I The variance is hard for me. >> Yeah, I'm kind of with Steve at this point. As much as I I do understand the situation, I would I do want him to be

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able to have his deck, but variants are supposed to be that difficult to get past the first hurdle is you know it. >> Yeah. >> And it's so dramatic that the 14T is >> because it would go down to four feet of

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a property line setback. >> Yes. Yes. It would be four feet off the property line. Correct. It's better than having a house four feet off the the line, but still a structure. >> So, we have three yeses, two nos, and a

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solid maybe. >> Mhm. >> You're still a maybe. >> And there's two other board members that could be sitting on the other next meeting if So, >> I don't know. >> So, Charlie's still on the fence. >> Yeah. Um and and I'll tell you the reason I'm on the fence. I I've read

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studies about variances and um if all variances in the whole Massachusetts were taken the koi, 99% of them would be dised overturned. >> So

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I don't know. >> That's not going to happen. >> It's it >> but I'm just I'm just using that as like a like a lawyer type thing. It doesn't mean anything to anybody except me, I guess. >> Well, thanks for sharing. >> Welcome, Stephen. And I'd like your

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sharing, too. >> So, I know nothing about him. Why Why is that? Is that >> you know, it's protection of of property. I mean, >> you know, your neighbor is not going to live there forever. >> Yeah. >> And uh he he's going to sell that as a complete let's say it goes through and

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he sells it and the neighbor sees that you're so close to his property line. It's it's legal and you could be there, but it affects property values theoretically for the for the whole area for all the abutters. >> Okay. >> And in the there's three requirements that you need for a variance. The first

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one is the the the shape of the lot, the uniqueness, the soils, topography. There's there's got to be a special criteria that you have to fit into. And for me, that's where I'm getting hung up is I don't see this getting past that first hurdle. The other two you do pass.

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It's the first one that I can't kind of see how it it passes that. >> Okay. >> All right. My suggestion would be to consider the the walkway to the backyard. Uh put the deck on the back and, you know, figure out a reasonable

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way to have your bulkhead still have access. >> Yeah. It was uh I got big plans for a big patio back there. So, I don't think >> you don't want to lose it on the deck. >> Yeah, exactly. >> No, I I appreciate it. I don't know how to how to fix it. And I, like I said, I I'd support it.

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>> Yeah, it's all I could ask for is better than nothing. >> So, uh, moving forward, if decides to come to another board meeting, is that how this works? If I maybe I get my neighbor in here as well. >> Yeah, you can get on next month's meeting and and apply for the variant

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and just, you know, try. I mean, it's it's going to be it'll be five votes out of seven parties on it. Uh Jamie is missing tonight and she may or may not be here for the next one. We can, you know, send Steve away on some mission or

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something. >> Tell them they're thinking about a variance in North Chams and say, you know, we'll see you at 7:30 and we'll get through quick. But >> um >> it's it's a challenge. So, if you want to proceed, um, contact me at the office and I'll walk you through the the

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process of formally applying and then we'll have a legal notice posted in the newspaper and, uh, go over all those steps I mentioned to you before. >> Um, and and we'll formalize that and then you can actually schedule the public hearing and then go through this process formally and have a vote.

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>> All right. >> Okay. >> Well, thank you guys very much. I appreciate your time. >> You could also put the patio right to the property line. That would not be a problem really because >> it's not a structure. Okay. >> So, that might be something you can you can try to rework how that would work. >> That's quite a bit of money, too. >> Oh, yeah. No, I appreciate it. That's

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crazy what things are costing. >> I would just really consider the, you know, kind of where the straw pole was today. Also, consider how much, you know, the the money that in time you're going to have to put into this and see if you do you really want to come back, take the chance. >> Well, I figure this. I got a 30-year

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mortgage. I got 30 years. >> 30 years to build. >> Okay. >> You got a great attitude, man. Hey, remember the day I pay it off is the day you'll see you later. >> All right, everybody. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Our second public hearing is new 148

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Grten Road. The owner is WDL Real Estate Services LLC. They are requesting the board issue a finding based upon the reasonleness test set forth in section 760MR uh CMR excuse me 71.03

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3A in accordance with section 1958E2 nonconformity exceeding the percentage lot covered by8% and the floor area ratio F by 0.08% 08% proposed for construction of an

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accessory dwelling unit ADU and any other relief deemed necessary. This property is located in the residential RB district CES panel parcel ID map 18 block 70 lot 13 and consists of approximately 23 acres.

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So in this situation an ADU is not uh qualified for a special permit. So with the F and the lot area being less than 1% we have to consider whether it's reasonable to grant that or not. We would not grant a special permit or a

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variance. We would just say that we feel that it passes the reasonleness test. >> That's what's in front of us tonight. You got to approach the podium, sir. I I'm sure that the board will have some questions for you. >> How you doing? I'm Bill Tender, the owner uh at 148 Ground Road. And as you

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mentioned, I'm here looking to do an ADU. Um the property right now has uh two structures on it. Um I have a two-story building and I also have a detached um falling down garage bond that I'm going

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to wipe out. I'd like to wipe out, get rid of that. Uh currently that property sits only nine feet off the back um line lot line and 12 feet off of Route 40. My ADU would actually become more conforming. I'm going to be probably somewhere in the vicinity of around 30

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feet off of Route 40. Instead of just 12 off the back line instead of nine, I'm going to increase that to 11 and 1/2 ft off the back line. Uh the the ADU uh size of it is really similar similar to

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the garage that's already there. Now the garage is uh 18 by 20. The ADU would be 18 by 25. It would be two stories though versus the one story. Um the um everything else as far as you know the setbacks and so forth I I I

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meet all as far as what's required. Um and as you mentioned um uh the building coverage I'm less than one 1% off on point8 and the far uh from is is is 8%.

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All the other dimensions on that are good as well. Um I'll be doing you know I had you have the plans there for it. The um I've had an engineer draw them up. It would be a really nice property. Uh I'd make it blend in with the other building too as well eventually. I'd

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make them all the same, you know, so that they look look same color and look look alike, you know. I'm also going to provide two parking spaces for the ADU as well. Uh I'm not sure that I actually even have to do that because I am on the bus route. So I'm I'm understanding that

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a bus route there, you don't have to have that, but I I am going to have that. So there'll be two parking spots designated for this ADU. Um I went and spoke with my neighbor that is directly behind me. I don't have a letter or anything of that from him, but he was he

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was in favor of it. He's his house is right there on on the line. Um, yeah, that's that's all I got. Again, it's not, as he mentioned, um, Brian mentioned, it's not a not a special permit or or variance or anything of that sort. It's just a reasonable, uh,

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finding, and I hope that, um, you guys feel that that that is a reasonable finding. Is this email from Evan with 17 steps? >> Yeah. >> Anything is that are we supposed to go through these 17? >> Yeah, I saw that. >> That's Yeah, that's what the checklist

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is, I guess. in the past. So he shared that in case that was a question that came up in terms of how to define reasonleness. >> He shared that. Is this prescriptive or like is it a subjective thing at the end of the day

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or like how does this reasonleness? >> This is the first time I've ever even >> um >> because to me like variances are a then b this is just a >> not this is objective. >> How do you guys feel about this overall?

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But then you're giving me a checklist which makes me think, okay, well, I'm heading the other direction because there's 17 steps like, >> right, there's never 17 for a van. It's not even close. >> Okay. So, are we just supposed to walk through? >> I mean, realistically, something could

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be shrunk to accommodate that 0.08, but I find it reasonable. So, I'm not I'm not that concerned about it. I don't think the 17 steps are going to apply. uh you know it's >> it's don't even look like they apply to us anyway. like can I confirm your

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address so that it doesn't confirm but number 13 >> that was um general information provided in the past from town council regarding the topic of reasonleness >> because 13 says pursuant to section 7760 CMR71 again

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>> but we don't have that here >> right because it's an ADU so it doesn't apply >> so it doesn't apply >> they don't all apply the ADU is its own and remember ADU is also part of the Dober amendment. >> Yeah. >> So, a lot of those things don't apply.

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>> ADUs are part of the Dober amendment. >> Are they? >> Is that right, Jose? >> When they created this as part of the housing mandate, it fell under do. >> They protected. >> I know they're by right, but I didn't know they fall under do amendment. >> Yeah. >> That's the uh

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the school thing. >> Yeah, but the school >> I didn't realize that was related either. >> Yeah. But the Dober amendment, all that does is it means that you can't review it as a like a site plan or any of that stuff. >> It doesn't go to planning, which this would not either. So >> So I guess so he's only here because

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he's over the F. Yes, >> he's over >> by less than a percent as well as percentage law coverage and it is a non-existing uh excuse me, non-conforming lot. So let me just pull up the map and walk you through. >> So I guess why is that not a variance? >> 3%. Because an ADU does not get a

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variance or a special permit. >> ADUs fall under their own category. >> ADU is by right. >> Yeah. >> So the FAR and lock and building coverage, he will need a special permit just for that, not for the ADU. >> The ADU

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height, but if it's over >> the F building coverage. >> Oh, the the other request permit. >> That's interesting. under the reasonable >> although it doesn't have any bearing on what we do. I was just curious.

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>> So is he going to special after? >> What is your intention to do with it? >> No. >> If it were to be built, >> it'll be a rental property. >> And there's no bas there's no bathroom on the first floor. >> Those guys for talking. >> Um

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some judgment. >> We can give it to anis. That's true. >> Yeah. >> Can I can you expound on that for the whole board? Uh Jose, >> that Danny's question was revolent, but I couldn't I couldn't hear. >> I'm so sorry. Uh so Danny was asking

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about uh the special permit if if it was for the ADU. And I was explaining to Danny that the ADU is by right, right? He's he's here for the building coverage and FAR which it FAR and building

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coverage will apply to any addition ADUs are not exempt. >> Um so he's only over by 1% on the building coverage and >> less than >> less than that right and 2% on the other.

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So that item number 13 is for you guys to determine if that percent increase is really a a >> rounding error is what it is. >> A significant increase or a detriment to the neighbors. >> If if it wasn't an ADU, he could come to

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us and get a special permit and we would not hesitate to grant a special permit for 08 or 0.08. I mean, >> as our our past has shown it, we wouldn't we wouldn't hesitate with that. But the application process because it's an ADU does not allow us to use a

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special permit. So speaking in my thought, it's very reasonable. It's it's >> it's a rounding error really. >> I mean, if you were to say to him, you have to reduce the size of the garage or the size of the property to accommodate

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that point. It's just >> what would that be like an inch and a half? Like what >> in in that range? I mean, it would be >> the lot itself. >> I mean, I guess >> 10,000 square feet. 10,700 square ft. >> And is there a second um curb cut to put

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that driveway in you mentioned? >> No, >> cuz um >> it's all paved. >> Most of the most of the lot is pavement >> already. It's open all the way around there. >> Yeah, cuz I'm on both sides on Main Street and 40. >> Yep. I can give you both those sides are pretty much all pavement. So, we'll come

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in on that same pavement. >> Okay. direction. >> Oh, yeah. You could see the garage in the background. >> Oh. Oh, I Okay, I know where this is. >> I have It's a triangle short. >> Yeah, triangle. >> Well, it was Is that still the name of it? >> It is. >> Okay. Okay.

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>> Yep. Yeah. The building >> I know you're a new owner. That's why I >> That's the old >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> So, pieces. Yeah. Yeah, I went down and looked at it this morning. >> Yeah.

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>> Yeah, there it is. All right, perfect. >> There we go. >> He's got She's got the street view right up there for you. >> That's what it looks like right now. >> So So yeah, we'd still come in here. Uh this wouldn't be here anymore. Yeah, >> it's going to go here where this table is. >> So then this would be uh the parking

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spots. I'd make this the parking spot right here for that. So they'd have their own designated for that. And the store could still use these and around. And it does look like it's there's enough trees in there along that property line. >> Oh, and the fence. >> Yeah.

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>> I mean, he he's he's probably right with everything except for the F on there. >> And that angle, but >> a little unique, but I don't think we're going to see the last of it here either. This will probably be >> I can move over a little bit more. Does

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that help? No, we lost the image. Hold on. >> Oh, yeah. And they have arbor bites, too. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. And the fence goes down. But And then he's got a he's got a bach mouth area with, you know, different shrubs and so forth in there.

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>> Any letters? >> Yes, sir. >> Have a letter from the fire prevention office. Dear members of the board, regarding the proposed accessory dwelling unit at 148 Grten Road, this office following comments. Building construction. All

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construction will meet current codes for smoke, heat, and CO detectors. Signoffs will be conducted as part of the building permit process. Building numbering. The applicants submit to the town's E911 committee for building a dressing for a new structure on the lot. Numbers to be affixed to the new unit

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that is clearly visible from the street. We ask that this letter be incorporated into the public record and made part of your decision-making process with the requirements outlined in this office has no objections to the request made. Please do not hesitate to reach out with any questions or concerns. Respectfully,

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Josh Abbott, captain of fire prevention. I have a letter from Sheila Joyce, the town engineer. Um, so officer reviewed the project applications, plans, and documents submitted to the DPW on April 13, 2026

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for the following public hearing notice on May 7th, 2026. 148 Gen Road. One, trash and recycling service are through the primary dwelling and remain capped at limit. Trash and recycling will not be provided at the new driveway location.

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Two, according to the DPW records, approves ADUB may be over an existing grease trap and its sewer line. The applicant must contact the DPW sewer division to coordinate any necessary actions to alter the sewer service. A sewer capacity impact fee to be

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assessed with a building permit fee sewer use regulations. Sixbedroom calculation as 15 gallons of daily wastewater flow will be applied for the add adding bedrooms per title 5 one bedroom is equal to 110 gallons per

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day. B the sewer connection proposed ADU must connect on the property. A plan showing the proposed sewer connections must be submitted to the DW for review during the prior building permit approval. Plansion and crews proposed elevation

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at ADU and proposed tie-in location. C. Licensed contractor must apply for the sewer and trench permit with the DPW prior to the start of work. Three, erosion control devices must retain the sediment on site and should be installed down the slope of the construction work

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zone. These must be installed prior to any work or demolition. The street should be swept and cleaned from construction dust. Four, consideration must be made to install roof drain drywalls to reduce the volume of storm water runoff generated by the roof of

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the proposed ADU. This is not a requirement for approval. I have a letter from I guess Senator Oh, North Water District to my main concern. The applicant must discuss the plans for providing water service to the pros ADU with the North

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Chumps Water District. The applicant intends to run a new service line directly from the water main. He must speak with the Department of Public Works about opening the road as Groten Road is currently under a moratorum since it was paved within the last two years.

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I have a letter from the board of health stating no concerns. I have a letter from the police stating no concerns. I have a letter from the treasurer collector stating no concerns

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and I have a copy of the fire department letter. This might be a different u copies when I put it in the back. >> That's the extent of my letters. I'm going to open this up to the

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audience and see if anyone is in favor or in opposition to this application. Now would be the time to speak. Seeing none, entertain a motion to close the public hearing if there are not further questions from the board of the applicant.

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>> I make a motion to close the public hearing on 148 Grten Road. Second by Peter. All in favor? >> Unanimous. >> Okay, there's no more questions. I'd like to make a motion to approve 148

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Grten Road um based upon our findings that the reasonable test was reasonable and um that we agree with everything here and we want to make sure the read the letters are followed

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and um we're glad to have another ADU in the town. >> Is that too long? >> A little. >> Yes. But I second. >> Second by Steve. All in favor? >> Unanimous. >> Good luck, sir.

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>> Everyone, thank you. Thanks. Thank you for calling. >> Appreciate it. Have a good night. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Reasonable. >> Quite reason. >> Yes. >> Have we have we had any applications for ADUs that uh just uh didn't need it?

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Have any comment? >> Yeah. >> How many any idea? >> Um we got plenty of them. Yeah, that they are issued by right they meet building coverage setbacks >> rental properties >> um far >> five

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>> no no they meet all the conditions >> yeah he's asking how many >> oh how many um probably >> by don't we have something else on the agenda >> 20 of them >> 20 >> 20 >> 243 RV neck road

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>> you do okay our next Public hearing is 243 Riverneck Road. They are reapplying for a comprehensive permit request pursuant to Mass General Law Chapter 40B. The parole consists of seven single family dwellings for sale and 16 town houses

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for rent. Of the total 23 housing units, six units will be designated as affordable consisting of two single family and four town houses. This property is located in the RB district. We have uh already opened the meeting. So I'm going to ask for a motion to

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continue without discussion. They're obviously not here tonight. Uh so our only task is to continue. And I think Beck, you're going to have to talk about the 100 days. Is it >> uh because we missed the last two hearings? >> No, I don't believe we fall into that

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because it is um being reviewed through appeal through the um >> so we don't have to worry about >> housing committee. Yeah. the time no longer applies. That clock stopped. So, we're waiting for the state to take action for the housing committee to make a decision based on the appeal from the

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town to override the initial decision that the town was not in safe harbor. We have not received um an update on that. So, nothing is as far as I know has occurred. Um, the reason why I left this on the agenda is because it still is an

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open hearing. And so I wanted to also place it as a placeholder in case after I posted the agenda on Friday, we had received any update or was told that town council would come in to speak to you. So nothing has changed, which is why it's continued without discussion.

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>> Um, and once I do hear of anything, I'll let you all know and then certainly um, we'll be posting that it will be continuing on the agenda. I just >> so we just don't have an exact date to continue it to >> who is on for that like who because it's

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>> oh um >> I have to look at the the file. I know a couple of you have missed one or two hearings. >> You're entitled to the Mullen review of the first but how many the meeting was opened >> um

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>> it was opened and closed pretty quick. That was >> Yeah, that was the one that that's Adam Casa. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Y >> you can do the the Mullen uh affidavit and and watch it, but I don't think there's any real >> to watch the whole meeting or just the

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open and close for that for that >> just that one. >> You don't have to just the hearings. I don't I think it was >> I will tomorrow I will send out an email to let all of you know who was at that meeting. Um, just to update everyone in terms of who was who was eligible to

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vote as of the last meeting and who is eligible to file a mullen if they would like to. >> There's only been one here. >> That's the one that we had the executive session but or we met council prior to >> I think it was downstairs or in one of the rooms. >> Right. When we were at the senior center

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we had an executive session. >> I missed that one. >> Senior center. Okay. >> I was sick snowmobile. See what it does to you? >> I was I had the flu, Mr. Was not good. Yeah, >> I'm going to ask for to a motion to continue uh without a date and uh we're

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going to review this in >> so I'll just I'll make a motion 243 Riverick Road to continue without discussion >> to throw the date. >> Second, Steve. >> All in favor? >> Unanimous.

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>> Thanks, Jose. >> Good day, Jose. We have meeting minutes >> um which I have not reviewed. So I don't know if we want to put that on hold to June or everyone else has reviewed them as comfortable. >> I haven't reviewed.

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>> Would it be the uh we've put them off a couple of times? >> I did delegate my vote to Charlie on the uh meeting minutes. So >> yeah, I read the meeting minutes. I I just have a problem with February 5th >> with February.

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>> Yep. >> On February 5th, um underneath Ledge Road, we have a motion for um Russell Road. >> Oh, is that a typo? Okay. >> Well, was it was a paragraph down there? >> What page are you on? I'm sorry. >> The last page, I believe. >> Very last.

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>> The very last page. Okay. Yes, I see. Yep. That was just >> I will correct that. Thank you. >> Okay. >> Um, so we'll get that corrected and do that in June. >> I have a motion to adjurnn.

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>> So moved. >> All in favor? >> Thank you. And it was