Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Tonight uh is Thursday, November 13th, and we are here for a meeting of the Chelsea Licensing Commission. I am joined this evening by my fellow commissioners Eno Lopez, Mike McAteer,
uh my name is Marty McAlpine. Also, we have uh Naomi and B representing the licensing department. Uh we have Sergeant Chung from the Chelsea Police Department along with
um Captain Otter, Captain Faren and Sergeant Otero. Apologies, gentlemen. I was trying to make sure I got it right. So, thank everyone for joining us. Uh to kick
things off, uh can I get a motion to approve the minutes from our last meeting on September 11th? >> I make a motion to approve >> and a second. >> All in favor? >> I'm the only other one. So, fantastic.
Um moving right into the clerk's update. Okay. So, I need uh a motion to approve the first six months of licensing meetings that will be scheduled on a Thursday.
>> Did either of you have any known conflicts with >> far away? I don't know. Right now, I'm good. >> I'm I'm I'm good, too. >> Okay. Um, can we get a motion to approve the first six months? I'll make a motion to approve the six months
>> and a second. >> I second. >> All in favor? >> Okay. Um just a quick note um that notices were sent out for liquor renewals, common particular license renewals, amusement and entertainment um
renewals, constables renewal, and class 123 and rooming house licenses were sent out um notices. I also sent out a second notice in November, the beginning of nove November. So far, the 50% have done
their um renewals. Still waiting for the uh next 50% hopefully by next week. >> The and the deadline for those submissions >> uh tomorrow, but I will have to give it another week. >> Okay.
>> And Do you have a communication that you wanted to read in? >> Yes. >> Loave. >> Yes. So, we have a a letter from Los Agave after almost eight years of um being in business. They have closed
their doors as of October 20th, 2025. And that's it. Um they took out all their liquor. The distributors came, picked up, gave them whatever they needed to give them. The doors are closed. That's it.
>> Okay. Thank you. >> You're welcome. >> From there, we're going to move right into our public hearings. Um if it is okay with both of you gentlemen um I'd like to do things just a little bit out of order as item number one and item
number six on our agenda this evening are involving the same lency. Um so I'd like to um kind of do those u backto back if that works with you both. >> That's fine.
>> Thank you. Uh so with that um we're going to start with our public hearing to consider a change of officers, directors, LLC manager on an all kinds of alcohol beverages on premise license application for interstate management
company LLC DBA Townplay Suites by Marriott Chelsea at 30 Eastern A. if you want to step up to the microphone. And just a quick housekeeping note, please make sure when you come before us this evening, you step up to the microphone, you clearly
state your name and reason coming before us. And if there are multiple people coming to speak on a subject, please make sure you take turns stepping up to that microphone so not only we can hear you better, but those that are watching this at home can also hear. Thank you
very much. >> Good evening. Thank you for uh for hearing this. Um I'm the general manager. My name is Stefano Anamis at the Town Place Suites by Marriott um on Eastern Avenue and I'm here representing um Interstate Hotels with regards to
myself and an officer change. >> Thank you very much. Um, fellow commissioners, any initial questions on the change of officers,
directors, LLC manager from the first >> Hello. >> Hi, how are you? Remember we we talked a little at the training? Yes. >> Are you still planning on going and doing the grab and go type situation? Is this part of this application?
>> Cor correct. Um the um my understanding is that we have all of the licenses licenses that we we uh need to um what we were what we were contemplating we have a a bar liquor and all of the licenses. However, um we have both the
market as well as the front desk. And our desire would be to have uh I think right now we're leaning towards a cooler that the front desk um will have access to and they would be able to if there's uh somebody who checks into the hotel uh
desires uh desires to have something, we would we would allow the front desk associate to do that. However, we've also considered having the grab and go that we talked about at our meeting. >> How about the buyer? Is that going to be open or >> the bar itself? >> The bar itself uh is open and it is it
is uh um u uh it is something that we had closed for almost two years. We reopened it. We were excited to be able to offer that amenity. Two years ago when we closed it, it just financially was was not the right time for it, but
but um we we've kind of relaunched it and it's been successful. Quick question, Naomi. Um, with them having an on premise license, are they able to sell
bottles of wine um from a grab and go sort of set up by the front desk underneath that license? Um, or do do they also have to have a retail license? >> You're talking about the liquor license itself. It's a it's a liquor license.
the bottles of wine. I think the the individual size wine bottles, right? Not a big bottle, right? >> Correct. >> But there's this is this is an on premise license, >> which means it has to be consumed on property. The only way an on-remise
license can sell something that leaves, for example, a bottle of wine, it has to be opened, put in the proper bag with the receipt. So, if we're selling grab and go >> and we're not confirm >> I was under impression grab and go to your room, not outside.
>> But this is where we how would we be confirming that these people are going to their rooms? >> If we're setting up, >> it would have to be up to the employees from the hotel to make sure that they are
>> as long it was only going into the rooms, it's fine. >> Yeah. Cuz they're inside. They're not outside. Does that make sense? So, you wouldn't be able to set up just a a little graband go kind of store where you could have somebody walking off of the street and buy a bottle of wine. Yes.
>> Um, this would have to be somebody that is showing you their room key if they come down or as they check in, then they could buy that. >> And and that's a great point. We have no desire to to be catering to anybody but our hotel guests. That's really what
this is designed for. people who are who, you know, who would normally utilize the bar but maybe don't want to hang out at a bar and just go to their room. >> I'm good with that as long as we make sure we're following >> Perfect. >> that and not not opening up that opportunity for somebody to walk in off
of the street and and purchase something. >> Yeah. >> U because then you would have to come back and get a retail liquor license. >> Thank you for that clarification. Um, other questions from my fellow commissioners? >> No.
>> Okay. >> Um, Sergeant Chung, any questions, comments from the police department? >> Uh, Corey check was conducted. Um, just to clarify, Alli is leaving. Is that right? >> Say again. Alli
>> Alli El Basooni. >> That was uh >> is that the secondary? So this one there was two new um owners being listed. It was a president.
>> Yeah. The Mark >> it. >> So it was originally adding uh Gregory and Ally, but then Ally resigned, >> right? >> So now it's been adjusted.
Um >> yeah, Mark, let's see. Gregory Mundus is being added as president replace Mark Schlupek. >> Y >> um so that and and a lot of those are so high level of administration
of the hotel. However, however, that is something that uh we uh needed to to report as a change. >> Right. >> Okay. So, who's your manager on duty? You >> I'm the general manager. Correct. >> All right. Um, yeah. So, I think what you addressed, madame commissioner, is
the purchase and then still remaining on premises and drinking in the hotel room itself. Um, Corey check was conducted on all names provided on these forms. They all cleared. A call log was also conducted. Um, very minimal call logs in
the area. Um, so no no issues so far. But I'll I'll reiterate just if you're going to function as a license establishment, the cameras need to be working in order. Um rolling 30 days. Um all postings need to be posted. If you're going to have security, they need
to be in red shirts. Just the same rules and regs that needs to be on the premises. Okay. >> Yep. Great point. And actually after our last meeting, I submitted a capex request. We got a new new camera system. I'm excited about that. And especially keep that in mind if you are going to start serving that wine
from behind your front desk. Yeah. >> I'm guessing you probably already have cameras at your front desk. >> Um but make sure uh that you have that so you can track uh that wine so that way you don't have any issues. >> Yes sir.
>> Other questions on this subject? >> Okay. Um the um is there anyone from the public that
would like to speak on this particular matter? I see no one. Um, can I get a motion to approve the change of officers directors LLC manager on an all kinds of alcohol beverages on
premise license application for Interstate Management Company LLC DBA Townplay Suites by Marriott Chelsea at 30 Eastern app. >> I make a motion to approve >> and a second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> And then if you want to stay right there.
Uh the other item that we have um are you also representing the hotel for the second? >> Yes. Um, so the other item on the agenda was listed as number six in the agenda
and this is for an all alcohol beverages license change of manager for Interstate Management Company LLC DBA Town Place Suites by Marriott Chelsea at 30 Eastern A. Can you tell us um the change and about
the about why the change is taking place? >> Sure. Is is this uh with respect to myself or the other gentlemen? >> You not you. >> This one looks like it's you. >> Okay, great. Uh happy to. Um, so, um, I've worked with Ambridge, uh,
hospitality and the ownership group for five plus maybe 10 years over the last, um, uh, 15. Uh, and I rejoined them when I moved to uh, to the Boston area um, to
lead their Marriott. Um, so as the new general manager, I didn't want to and I think legally we're obliged to inform you of that of that. um change and and managers. Um I reside in the Northshore
area. So um really excited to be part of the community. >> And when did you take over as the GM at this facility? >> Um January 2nd, I think. I was here a few months ago, you may remember, but it I was representing um I was representing
another change. Um yeah. and the manager that has been listed, uh, when did they leave? >> Um, I wasn't here. Um, so I wouldn't be
able to to to say, however, I do know that for a couple of months there was a task force manager. So the only thing that I I would just want to point out to you moving forward in the future is that you are supposed
to notify the city. I believe it's within six months >> uh within six months of any change of manager. Okay. >> Um so if you can just make sure that um everyone up the chain in the hotel knows
of that timeline um because otherwise you would be in violation of your license. So, uh, you just want to make sure to report that as soon as possible. And if there is somebody that's covering in the interim, report that to the city and just keep them in the loop as to what's happening as you're doing a
search for a new manager or anything like that. Hopefully, you're there for a long time. >> Um, and we're we're excited to have you in the community. >> Thank you. Um, questions from my fellow commissioners. Sergeant Chung, any
questions, comments on um his application um to be listed as the manager? >> Nope. Also >> perfect. Is there anyone from the public that would like to speak on this matter? Seeing no one, can I get a motion to
approve the change in manager? >> I'll make the motion to approve change. >> Second. >> A second. >> And all in favor? >> Thank you very much. >> Um, and again, we hope to have you with us for a long time. Um, and just please
make sure you pay attention to, as Sergeant Chung stated, those cameras and when the city asks for them, please make sure that you provide that in a timely manner. And then again, if you do start doing that grab and go, just make sure that you're you're following that on premise rule. >> Thank you.
>> Thank you. >> Thank you, officer. Next on the agenda this evening, we have a public hearing to consider a change of officers, directors, LLC managers, change of ownership interest and issuance, transfer of stock, new
stockholder on an all kinds of alcohol beverages on premise license for Fanny's place. Well, you didn't tell me I had to read that one. Take out one. >> Okay.
>> All right. I take that back slightly. Um, it is a public public hearing to consider a change of officers, directors, LLC managers, and issuance or transfer of stock or new stockholder on an all kinds
of alcohol premises on uh on premises license for Fanny's Place Incorporated, DBA Chelsea Walk at 416 Broadway. If you could step up to the microphone, please. >> Good evening, uh, madame uh, chair and commissioners. My name is Nancy O'Neal.
I'm an attorney uh with Diamio LLP located at 185 uh Devonshshire Street, Boston. I represent the applicant in this matter. Uh Fanny's Place doing business as Chelsea Walk Pub. Uh tonight uh the LE is requesting uh changes at
the corporate level. Uh no, uh management or operational changes uh are planned. We are looking to change uh the corporate officer specifically uh Miss Angela Palmier would come off and Miss Cheryl Freeman uh would become the director. Uh in addition uh the
corporate stock or the ownership um of the corporation would be transferred from uh Miss Palmieri uh to Miss L Freeman. Um I recognize that an amendment was uh submitted uh yesterday that addressed these changes. Um and I thank you for your patience um in
working with us as we navigate this process. Thank you. appreciate that. Um, so will will M. Palm Mary be involved at all with the business anymore? >> Uh, no. I I understand that uh the manager was changed from Miss Palm Mary to uh Mr. Alfred Deloce. That was
approved by uh the commission in the ABCC. She wishes to disengage from the business. Um and Miss Cheryl Freeman and Mrs. LS Freeman would take uh corporate uh management for the business and Mr. Alfred Deloce would continue his role as manager. Um, so in that is Paul Mary
staying as an owner? >> Uh, no. All of the ownership interest would pass to Mrs. Freeman. >> Thank you. Um, questions, comments from my fellow commissioners. >> Um, just just warn. So LSE is now the
manager too. >> No, it was Alfred. >> Uh, it says they check that it's lost. >> No. Uh, no. The intention is for uh the current manager uh Mr. Alfred Delroce to stay on.
>> No, I put it in here. >> Okay. >> Alfred was listed as the manager in one of those documents. >> I want to know ones I don't have >> because I did I did make that note of just confirming whether or not he was an
existing manager or new, which you've already answered. Apologies that we can't remember every time we have approved a specific person. Um and um with the the Freeman's have either of them had
any experience owning a licensed establishment before? >> Uh neither has owned uh a licensed establishment. Mrs. uh LSE Freeman, she's TIP certified and she's uh been on the payroll of the business, so she's very familiar with the operations.
Um, and so with being on the payroll, has has she been um helping oversee things or working as a server or bartender? What what sort of experience in in hospitality? >> Um, I believe that she's worked uh as a bartender,
>> right? She has familiarity with that. Um, she's been doing that for a few years now, so she's comfortable with the day-to-day um, operations, too. >> Okay. Um, other questions from my fellow commissioners? >> I guess
just uh just want to point out that uh I've been seeing here that uh since 23 you haven't had any problem with the police. So I think it's great. Um so keep it up keep that way. So you know you got to >> Thank you.
>> Keep your license clean. >> Thank you. Yeah, that that is a good point. The the establishment has had a little bit of a history. Um so we want to make sure that we don't go back to what was um and that we're making sure that we're familiar
with all of the rules and regulations of the city. Um there's nothing worse than a new owner coming before us a couple months later and then saying, "Well, I didn't know." Part of the job of being a new owner is making sure that you are familiar with
what you are assigning and and agreeing to. And in taking over a license, there are rules and regulations that are given to every single lency and is expected that those are read, understood, and
followed. Um, and we've had a couple of fairly new licences over the last couple of years that have come before us fairly quickly after u being granted a a new license u for breaking said rules and claiming that they did not know. Um, so
please make sure that your client is familiar with all of that information. Um >> one last question that I want to ask is uh your video cameras working because we had a lot of problems with some other establishments and uh sometime they got the cameras but the cameras are not
working. So I just want to >> Yes. Thank you. All the cameras are now working. Thank you. >> Thank you. Um if you are going to speak I would just ask you to step up to the Nope. That's okay. Just so u we can all all hear you. Uh, Sergeant Chung, uh,
commentary, questions from the police department. >> Cory was conducted by, uh, myself for Cheryl and Loose. They both uh, clear. Cory check cleared. Um, did a call log check in the area. Um, extensive call
log just because that area is kind of central. I opened all these call logs pertaining to the address and it has nothing to do with the bar itself. Um there was a fight call in the area
sometime around the same time last year. Um and we were and also very recently very at the disturbance and we were able to reach out to the bar owners at the time who actually returned our call to make good of um reviewing camera
footage. So, they are in communication with us. Um, I did notice that for Cheryl, there's only phone number, one phone number listed, which is the business telephone number. Uh, we're going to, if she has a cell phone, we'd like that as
well in case we need to make contact and if we can't reach loose. >> Yeah, go ahead. Please relay. Uh thank you officer. Uh so that number would be >> No, you don't have to give it to me in public. >> Yeah, >> you can provide it to me after. All right. Uh if you want, you can give it
to me after or you can provide it to Naomi and they can give it to me. It's more so for our call. >> Anything else, Sergeant? Uh, no. We will come by like any uh like any administrative check when new folks take over. Uh, we'll we'll arrange for that
before the end of the year. Okay. >> Is there anyone from the public that would like to speak on this matter? >> Oh, I do have one more question. Are you guys closing at 11 still? Is that correct? >> We're maintaining that. >> Yeah.
again sir at the microphone. >> Yes, that's correct. >> Okay, thank you. >> Thank you. Seeing no one from the public, um can I get a motion to approve the
change in officers, directors, and uh and issuance of uh transfer of stock or new stockholder application for Fanny's Place Incorporated, DBA Chelsea Walk at 416 Broadway. >> Make a motion to approve >> and a second.
>> Second. >> All in favor? Thank you very much. >> Good luck to you. Next on the agenda, we have a public hearing to consider a change of hours to open Sunday at 10:00 a.m. on an all
kinds of alcohol, beverages on premise license application and to change the hours of an amusement and entertainment license application for uh and I apologize if I say this wrong, uh, MOAG Incorporated, DBA, Curly Restaurant. 150
Broadway, Chelsea, Mass. >> Good evening. My name is Afra Molina. I'm the owner of Curly Restaurant and I applied for one hour earlier because because the business at that time is uh is more crowdy and that when the when
the business started with uh for some people asking for drinks. So I consider u I would like you guys to consider to give it an hour earlier. >> And so um just to confirm uh you currently are opening at 11:00 a.m. on Sundays and what you're requesting is to
open at 10 a.m. on Sundays. >> Not opening. You're open already. Serving >> serve. You want to serve liquor at >> correct? Well, actually, I did ask at 9:00, but because that's when we open, but >> why not after >> the I don't think the state allows
earlier than 10 >> on a Sunday. >> I think they do. You don't think? >> I don't believe they do on a Sunday because it's a pretty kind of standard. Um, every every place that I have managed 10:00 a.m. is the earliest
>> and that includes even in like like golf courses. for alcohol. >> I don't know why the only one act >> questionable. >> Questionable if they're supposed to be. >> Yeah, >> but that'd be fine.
>> Um questions from my fellow commissioners um in regards to this request to open an hour earlier. >> No changes to the to the layout? No changes to anything? >> No change. >> Is this okay? Breakfast is good. >> Yes. Here it is.
>> So, uh, as right now you you open at 11, but you don't serve alcohol until 11. >> Yes. >> And you want to open it >> at 10 >> and serve liquor at 10. >> Correct. >> Um, is there any other places that they
sell alcohol at 10? >> At 10 10 a.m. on a Sunday. I'm not sure about our establishments here, Miss Naomi. I don't know. I will have to check. >> Uh 10:00 a.m. is a pretty standard uh
time um that uh various licensed establishments are allowed to serve liquor on a Sunday. Um anything earlier than that I've never seen. >> Um I couldn't tell you for sure um if we
have somebody else in the community that is serving at 10, but I don't see any issue with that. um just in the 25 years I've been working in the industry, it's pretty normal. >> Okay. So if there's no other if there's other establishment that serve liquor at
10, I don't see any problem why we shouldn't allow him to do it. >> See, I was right. 10 a.m. I said it's the state. >> I was I was right. It is a state law that you can serve liquor before 10:00 a.m. on a Sunday. >> Okay.
>> Um, see, I've been doing this a little while. I know these things. Um, so that would be why you could definitely not do before 10:00 a.m. Um, and that's why 10 a.m. is is really what I have seen in my work history. Um, again, I'm I'm not
sure on establishments in our city. Um, but I do believe we we have some that are serving at 10:00 a.m. Um, I wish I could think of one off the top of my head. Um, but I I would
I would >> can't think of a breakfast type play. >> I think I think I think Kushala um has it at 10. >> And also I remember Chelsea Walk used to serve at 7 in the morning a long time ago. that that
>> that was the only place in the state of Massachusetts they used to sell. >> Yeah, that was probably not really allowed. Um, other questions in regards to this extra hour? Um, one of the things that I do want to
mention in going through your application um, because in addition to the um, extra hour of service for liquor, you were also looking to adjust your entertainment license to match those hours.
>> Actually, no, because we have it from u Oh, yes. Yes, just that hour. >> Um, the or no, I think yours yours was saying it's just the same. It's just a renewal. I might be confusing yours with somebody else's.
Yes, you were saying um there was no changes. It's just um a renewal because you're already your entertainment license is already earlier in the morning on a Sunday. So, you don't have an issue there. >> Okay. Um, but I did want to bring to your attention,
um, in looking at that entertainment license application, you noted a couple of things, um, that aren't referenced on your current entertainment license. Um, and those would be, um, on the new
application, you had checked off a DJ, and your current license does not have a DJ. So, if you want to have a DJ, you have to um do a public hearing to request a DJ. >> No, I I don't I don't need a DJ. >> Um just I'm not done yet, so just one
more second. And then the other item is on the new application. Um you had talked about uh live band and live shows and you referenced comedy shows and things like that. Um, on your current application, it states that you can have
a live band only Thursday through Saturday. >> I think uh I think there is a mistake there because our license don't have a van a live band in my my establishment. >> So >> I think the other one is uh his his establishment.
>> Where where do you have those? >> I had before mariachi live but No, I'm looking for the entertainment licenses. >> Um, if you could just step up here for a quick second. >> I think >> I know that. If you could just step up
here for one second just so I can show you. >> This is your current entertainment license. No, this is so this is what you're allowed to license. So it does say
which we don't really care as >> I just wanted to make sure that you understand that this is what's on your license. So if you want to do any sort of band or show or comedy show or your license states that you can do it
Thursday through Sunday. So if you decided to do something outside of that, you'd have to ask to change your license. And you can have the jukebox with the radio, but if you want to have a DJ there with speakers and playing music, then you have to ask to change
this to add a DJ. Okay. Thank you. Um, other questions? Okay. Um, Sergeant, >> good evening, Ephra. How are you?
>> Uh, Corey was conducted, normal stuff. Um, both clear. Also, a call log was conducted. Very limited call log at Curies. Um, we have no issues with them. >> Wonderful. Um, is there anyone from the
public that would like to speak on this matter? Um and did um you had wanted to speak when I was asking the questions about >> Okay. Um is there anybody from the public? See no one. Can I get a motion to
approve the change in hours of the liquor license to have a 10 a.m. start as opposed to the 11:00 a.m. start on Sundays?
>> Make a motion to approve. >> And a second. >> Second that. >> All in favor? >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Keep up the um the good work. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Next on the agenda,
we have a public hearing to consider a change of hours to close at 2:00 a.m. Thursday through Sunday and opening at 12:00 p.m. on Saturdays and Sunday on an all kinds of alcohol beverages on premise license application and to
change hours of an amusement and entertainment license for Mo Brothers LLC DBA Doc Nocturno at 158 Broadway Chelsea. Thank you. Hello. Uh, my name is Nelson Molina and
I live in 38 Marvel Street in current owner of Nocturno. Thank you for giving me this opportunity for this hearing. Currently, my business is at risk. I'm losing to to surrounding neighbors that close their doors at 200 a.m. Usually by p 11 p.m. on a busy
night, there would be about 90 to 100 people, but right now only averaging 40 or less on a busy night. Many clients gone have gone to surrounding bars to clo that close at 2 a.m. because they are starting to not let in patrons by
12:30 a.m. Currently in Rivera there's 12 businesses opening at 2 a.m. and right over the Andrew Bridge in East Boston. Um there are currently 16 businesses opening. Many businesses are less than a mile to two miles away. It's hard to compete
with those kind of businesses because who wouldn't like to be out until 2 a.m. Our sales last year compared to this year have declined to 15 to 20%. These these months you can see at at
average we are losing $10,000 each month in which you can check comparison of each month it's getting worse. Just in July's difference in 2024 to 2025, we lost about $4,000 and in August
10,000. And it seems like it's just worsening because of current events happening around the city. I had to reduce my pay in order to stay afloat. Currently, I'm losing employees left and right because there's there isn't much business happening. But I regret to let this business fall and it and it won't.
On average, a person wastes about $14 an hour an hour. So imagine the last hour how much it would benefit my business. And currently the busiest hours are 11 to 1:00 a.m. An extra hour would would say an average of 120 people would
average about $1,600. That brings an opportunity with a capacity of 225 people that can save my establishment and also bring opportunities. If everything goes well to start, I will have to hire five more people, a extra security, two more waitresses, a cook,
and a barback. And if it gets busier than than expected, I can see that number doubling. And with the the success that it will come, we will definitely get back to the community. Now, the the most important step is safety. Given the opportunity to open at
2:00 a.m., we will likely add another security to our roster, making it it three pe three securities on our premise. As you can see by our maps that's in our um the packet, it's um how we have our establishment.
>> Mhm. So, um, so we would have we would have two securityities upstairs and I would be I would be upstairs with those two securityities and we would be checking out um who's who's overly drinking and or if there's a distress and then
downstairs we would have another security with number two manager and they'll be checking out all the pool hall and then we would have another manager just checking the security in case they see something is going wrong. I also have talked to businesses owners
in River and East Boston and they said they don't usually let people in by 12:30 because once um businesses that close at 1:00 a.m. there's a rush. So with that fact, we would also be be almost doing be be doing the same, which
we will only let in people at at 12 12:15 a.m. And for safety measures, um, if if business goes as well as I think it will, we'll probably hire another
security. So there'll be four securities in total in our establishment. Giving me this opportunity opens the door to make my business succeed and compete with other businesses. I'm giving our city a place that is not just beautiful, but a place in which friends can come together and have a great night
and be close to home. Thank you. >> Thank you. And I do appreciate you coming before us. Um I know I I told you when you came before us last time, um I I am not in favor of having an establishment in our community open until 2 a.m.
>> Um but I'm always open for a conversation and to hear the reasoning. I I want you to be very successful in our community. Um I don't I I just do not believe that being open for that
extra hour is going to necessarily um I don't know that it's going to do what it is you want it to do, but I also don't think that it's good for the community as a whole. And this again, this is my personal opinion and and my fellow commissioners may feel differently. Um but
the I and I understand that your business has gone down in the last year, but I don't know that that's just because you're only open until uh 1:00 a.m. on those nights. Um because you've only been open until 1:00 a.m. on those
nights. Um and the um the the change may be from something else, not necessarily um due due to the other lo the other local towns having establishments that are open until 2 am
as I believe we've had that around us for longer. Um but there's a reason why our city has not had those 2 am licenses for a while. Um, but I will open it up for comments from my fellow
commissioners to start. >> I basically failed to say I want you you have my sympathy. I would love to give you my support. The 12 p.m. um start I'm great with that. I want to see you succeed. I just don't think Chelsea's ready for it now. I really don't
>> any >> as of right now nobody has uh close at 2:00 in the morning in Chelsea. >> No, we do not allow but in the surroundings uh areas as he said they open to 2 in the morning, right? >> Mhm.
And um you want Thursday to Sunday to until 2 in the morning? >> Yeah, 2 in the morning. Yep. >> So four days. >> Yeah, the four days. I mean, if you guys want to give me just less, it doesn't
matter to me. I'm willing to try it out. I will said that um we should give him a chance at least give Saturday and Sunday two days at least he wants four but you know um as a business owner in Chelsea and as he mentioned he's having a hard
time and we can start with couple days >> and again I I respect um your business I want you to be successful I just know from my experience in the industry The places that are open late are where
everybody goes that wants to keep drinking that probably shouldn't still be drinking. Uh >> that's why I I said I would close my doors at 12. So I wouldn't let no new patrons in at 12, >> right? But that you you could still have people doing the same thing that you you
stated in your letter to us that people are leaving your bar to go to the other bars to keep drinking. >> Yeah. >> Same. We're talking about the exact same thing. And in my history, I have managed places where we're doing last call and
they're going to another bar um to continue drinking and they should probably be wrapping up their night. Now, as a business, every business I've ever managed, we want to we want to sell the drinks, right? That's how we make our money. But we have to also be
responsible businesses and not serve to overconumption. Um and you then have these people that are on the roads that have been drinking >> that now that's an endangerment to the community um of people trying to get to the local bar because they want to get
in there before you shut those doors. So same thing that you're saying people are doing to you. >> But that that's me risking my my license. You know me doing all this is risking my license. If something bad happens I mean you guys decide whether you guys take it away from me or not,
you know. But um this opportunity could really help me out. And I mean we've been really good. We've been very good at not letting people that we we smell alcohol. We they look a little bit confused, you know. We've been very well on that. And personally, I'd rather have
10 normal people there than 50 overly overly erratic people, you know. Um, Sergeant, uh, commentary from the police department. >> Good evening, Nelson. >> Uh, thank you for your presentation. Um, appreciate you presenting the sales per
the chief request. Corey check was conducted. It is clear limited calls in 2025. A lot of calls historically have been around and surrounding noise. um mostly from neighbors as the backyard of
Nocturno is residential. Um Nocturno is adjacent from the police department. Um there are also call logs of fights that occurs outside of Nocturno. Nocturnal does a great job at calling um the police and involving us within the past
few years. Um most of those calls do occur a little bit after 910 p.m. hours. Um so that's where the concern is is that more calls are uh generating around that time when folks are already in
there already had their few drinks and um they do do a good job as at kicking out who needs to be kicked out. Um so there's no complaints there with that. Um the chief couldn't be here today. He had a prior arrangement. So to represent him, he did Dr. a letter which will be
presented by administrative captain uh Jason Farardan who's also standing in right now for Captain MLAN in the patrol division to express their um commentary. I also have Sergeant Otter here who also represents um our union and also is a a
street supervisor in the patrol division. And then I'll say my piece at the end and then um that's where it will go. Thank you. >> Thank you. Hi, how you doing? Captain Jason Faron. Um, like she said, the chief who
couldn't be here tonight, uh, he did make a state, write a statement that, uh, he asked to be right here. So, I'm going to read that statement to everybody here now. Says, "Dear members of the licensing commission, I'm writing to strongly encourage the commission not to approve the request from nocturno located at 158
Broadway for a 2 a.m. closing license. The city of Chelsea has not permitted any weekend 2 am lenses in close to 40 years. In fact, during the 1990s, weekday closing hours were reduced from 2 am to 1:00 a.m. in response to
numerous neighborhood quality of life complaints as well as limited police resources to effectively manage alcohol-related disturbances during late night hours. It is also important to note that at approximately 1:30 a.m. each night, the Chelsea Police Department's patrol
coverage is drastically reduced through the early morning hours until 7 a.m. This staffing adjustment reflects the natural decline in activity during overnight hours, but also creates significant challenges in responding to alcohol-related calls or disturbances
that often accompany later closing times. Approving a 2 am license Z under the circumstances would place unnecessary strain on already limited police resources and diminish citywide coverage when public safety personnel are at their lowest levels. The
Massachusetts Alcohol Beverage Commission, the ABCC, advises that any license extension should be based on demonstrated community need. There is no data, public request or community demand that supports sorry supports extended
alcohol service hours in Chelsea. On the contrary, past experience show that extended hours directly correlate with increased calls for service, noise complaints, and public safety concerns in densely populated urban areas such as ours.
Approval of this request would set a concern and precedent. Once one establishment is granted 2 am closing, it will undoubtedly open the floodgates for similar requests from other license holders seeking equal treatment. This would undo decades of responsible policy
that has balanced economic interest with public safety and neighborhood quality of life. Business owners in Chelsea are well aware of the city's longestablished closing times. Comparisons to Reary's Boston are not persuasive as Chelsea's
population density, police staffing levels, and community priorities differ significantly. For these reasons, I respectfully urge the licensing commission to deny the request and continue to prioritize the safety and well-being of our residents. Respectfully, Keith Holton, Chief of
Police. So, >> thank you, Captain. >> That's all I have. I mean, I don't thousand% agree with this. So, >> thank you. >> Ladies and gentlemen of the board, my name is Sergeant Joseo.
I had a prepared statement, but sir, I I sympathize with your struggles. I understand them. But um as the as a street sergeant who's on the street with the officers who have to respond to these calls, I have to agree with it
what the chief so eloquently placed in this letter. um we cannot I cannot support this kind of um this request because the safety of my officers as well as the public safety is paramount to me and we've responded in the past to
too many of too many incidents uh at these establishments where you have good intentions but it it at the end of the day it's not you it's the patrons it's you can't control what other people do and you just we just um
staffing levels are reduced significantly and this is going to place officers at risk and I can't in good conscious support something like that. Again, I I sympathize with the struggles that your business is going through considering all the competition you have around you, but um for a public safety
stance, I I I cannot um support that um request and um I hope you understand that and you have our sympathies and that's all I have to say. Thank you. >> Thank you, Sergeant. Um you did state um Sergeant Chun that
um in terms of calls those have um we've been good over there um for 2025. >> For 2025, correct? Um so Nocturno used to be Latino's Falcon and as you can remember it started off um very rough.
>> They've had um some disciplinary uh that were egregious. Um but I can say that they have definitely um turned a new leaf. Um their last issue was dated back to COVID and then prior to that a more serious disciplinary record in
2019. Um what time is your last call now, sir? >> Well, we have our liquor license till 1:00 a.m. >> So, what time do you call last call? >> Uh 12:30. >> Okay. So, if you were if you were granted a 2 a.m., you would call it at
>> that would be 1:30. >> Okay. >> So, you have a 30 you have a 30 minute window from closing time. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> But the thing is that people start leaving by 11:00 to go into these other
establishments that are opening at 2 a.m. So, we're losing that that time where we had from 11 to 1 where we were making our most money. It's it's There's nothing right now. >> Um, I'm just going to s I'm just going to summarize again. We hear you. This is
obviously nothing personal, although it feels very personal to you because it's affecting your livelihood and I can understand that and we all sympathize with that. We want all of our City of Chelsea residents, businesses to stay in Chelsea and to make money in Chelsea.
Obviously, it it hurts us to hear that you guys aren't making the same money that you'd like to be making. Um but unfortunately obviously we have to view this as in totality. Okay. So um in summary, commissioners, thank you for the opportunity to be heard this
morning. Uh, you've already heard the chief's letter, which outlines nearly 40 years of historical context, the public safety concerns that led Chelsea to eliminate 2 am closing decades ago, and the operational reality that our staffing between 1:30 a.m. and 7:00 a.m. is at its lowest point, diminished by at
least 50% throughout the entire 24-hour cycle compared to the other shifts. His position is clear. extending any establishment at to 2 am is not compatible with Chelsea's size, density, or police resource structure. Just want to summarize and expand on that
perspective and addressed um Mr. Medina's point. Chelsea is two square miles with extremely high residential density. What happens at 2 a.m. here does not happen in a suburban or spread out community. Any late night disturbance immediately impacts hundreds
of residents within feet of an establishment's doors. The final hour of alcohol service universally is the highest risk period for disorder calls, crowd related issues, noise, intoxication, and OUI incidents. That is the hour this applicant wants to extend
while our staffing is at its absolute minimum citywide. He mentioned he needs a 2 a.m. closing to compete with the surrounding bars, but competition with other cities is not a legally valid justification under Mass Law. Licensing decisions must be based
on Chelsea's public safety needs, not on the operational models of River or East Boston. Even some of our surrounding cities like Everett and Lynn have eliminated their 2 a.m. closing times. Our density, our overnight challenges, and our neighborhood structure are
simply not comparable. River is geographically much larger than us, but they only have about a smidgen more staffing than we do due to the call volumes that we battle as a smaller city. um we kind of have triple the amount of
calls. There's also an a mention of the extension would give the city a place to enjoy close by. Uh it would also create residents. However, it would also create residents from neighboring cities to come into our city by leaving their
other cities bar at 11 p.m. and to continue their night potentially from another establishment in another city. There's no empirical evidence of community demand for 2 a.m. alcohol service. No petitions uh at this time does not appear to be
having any neighborhood support as dictated in the call logs. All the noise complaints come from fellow neighbors or those who are living in the building above him um beside him. No, no resident request either. We cannot rely on speculation or marketing language to
justify a higher risk license. Our residents already have 1:00 a.m. options kind of aligned with decades of stable policy balancing nightife with neighborhood quality of life. Most of the noise complaints as I mentioned are from this establishment from neighbors.
There's um he mentioned there's a responsibility and the safety meas measures ready and it sounds like you have a great safety plan in place but the safety measures inside the business do not control the issues that occur outside the door. When a hundred people spill into the dark, densely packed
neighborhood at two in the morning, they don't prevent noise, loitering, street disturbances, or intoxicated individuals driving into residential areas. They don't mitigate the increased risks of impaired driving on our streets. Every one of these consequences impacts the
entire city, not just one block. We can't just focus on Park Street. And every one of them or or Broadway. and everyone falls on the police department during the hours we are at least staffed. Chelsea previously allowed 2 am closings decades ago as mentioned and
ultimately eliminated them because of the exact problems we're describing today. Those conditions have not improved. Our population density has only grown and approving this request would set a precedent that every other lency would expect to follow. In
totality, there's no demonstrated community need. um as of yet there's we need to obviously review the financial documentation only provided to us today or the commission would need to do that um due to the claimed hardship but
there's just no ability for Chelsea P to safely absorb the added burden at 2 a.m. with our current minimum manning contract negotiated with the city. There's also no justification strong enough to override the public safety risks that the chief and this department have
clearly outlined. For these reasons, and in full alignment with Chief Sultan's written opposition, the Chelsea Police Department respectfully urges the commission to reveal all that's been presented before making a historical decision. Thank you. >> Thank you very much. Thank Thank you to
everyone from the police department that just spoke. Um I do have one other just quick question for you before we open it up um for anyone from the public that would like to speak. Um so you've you have referenced how your sales have uh dropped in the last year and you're
referencing that people are now leaving your bar at 11 to go to neighboring towns. Why do you think that is just happening now? Well, just in Rivier, there's three new spots that opened and I mean they
look beautiful. So, I mean that's that. And then all of these Boston, all those bars, they all renovated. So, I mean, all those places look nice. They look as beautiful as mine, you know? >> Mhm. >> So, I mean, the competition that I have is the time in which they rather go over
there and just stay at one spot and instead of being at my spot, then going over there to the other spot. And so you you feel that these other establishments have recently renovated and that's what's changing your business. >> Yeah, because I renovated back in um
2001 >> and I was like the only one with like uh lights and all that stuff and my place is beautiful >> and recently like a lot of places just just copy and paste, you know. So, I mean, the competition that I have is just the 2 a.m.
>> I I am sorry to hear that. Um I I do find that unfortunately one of the issues that we have just in the restaurant industry in general is as new places keep opening up, uh that becomes like the shiny new toy that everybody wants to go to. Um and and that's one of
those downfalls of uh the industry. Um, and it's it's part of what makes the industry so difficult to be able to maintain. So, I I do really respect what you are going through and and I do love the fact that you took the time to come up with a prepared plan to speak to us
this evening. It does sound like you have thought through um how you would handle it inside of your establishment. Uh, and I appreciate that. I appreciate the fact that we have not had the um the
disturbances that we've had in the past at your establishment. So, the fact that you have turned things around is huge and we want that to continue for you. Um, but I I am also concerned as the
police department stated and and as they said, you can you can put all of these tools in place inside of your establishment, but it doesn't change what happens once they leave your establishment. And unfortunately, you don't really have the control
outside of your facility. Um, so that is really what makes me the most concerned. It's it's not so much you not operating your facility properly for that extra hour of business. It's what happens with
those individuals spilling out into the community during that final late hour. That's the concern, not what's happening within your doors necessarily. >> Well, when people leave, we usually have security outside >> in order to like make sure like patronons are like leaving and getting
in their taxes and stuff like that. So, I mean, if we have if I have more security, I'll have two of them outside making sure everything's all right and people are not being loud or anything like that. >> Um, is there anyone from the public that would like to speak on this matter? Yes,
ma'am. If you can step up. >> Hello, my name is Janabolina. I'm a seasonal worker. Um, I just had actually a couple comments to make. I understand the safety of a cop. Um my stepfather Alio is a Chelsea cop been in Chelsea PD for many years. So I understand it's unfortunate you guys don't have enough
workers. Um I also wanted to state um you guys were saying something about a neighbor. I came to that hearing. It was one neighbor that now no longer lives there. So that also I wanted to put that out there. Um and we're not just serving alcohol. >> And I would like everyone here to
understand >> we have personalities in there. We have conversations. We pay billiard. People eat. people go there to have fun and have a safe place to have fun. And I feel like in Chelsea, we don't have that.
And that's of course nothing against you guys. I I just feel like how are we going to be said absolutely not. Don't even think about it. Don't even keep talking about it if you guys don't know because 40 years ago we couldn't do it.
I don't understand. So 40 years ago you guys had issues and now we're thinking it's going to be an issue again or I don't know. I just feel like some of the excuses you guys made were very poor other than the safety reason I guess. Um
but we have a great team. We have great security. um when there is an issue, it's typically with one person that is sent outside and that person is either one of our securities typically even calls taxis, >> if that even occurs, which is rare. Um so I did just wanted to speak out and
say that um and it's unfortunate. Thank you. >> I appreciate you speaking this evening. Is there anyone else that would like to speak? Seeing no one um thoughts from my fellow commissioners said hello
my stance is still the same unfortunately >> un unfortunately my stance is still the same um I I am not in favor of us having licenses until uh 2 am in our community Um,
so I'm not in favor of making any motion. Um, I don't know if either of you feels differently. Like I said before, um I know the officer said that uh 40 years ago,
30 years ago, um we haven't allowed any business to do this. He's asking for four days. I don't know. My idea would be at least allow him two
days, see how how he's doing with his business, how he works out with his patrons. That's my opinion. >> Um, so there's two things before us in
this request. The first request is closing at 2 am on Thursdays through Sundays. The second request is opening at 12 on Saturdays and Sundays. What time are you currently opening on Saturdays? You're opening at 1. >> Yeah.
>> Um, completely reasonable to want to open at 12:00. >> Um, I would be um in favor of us approving the 12 p.m. opening on Saturdays and Sundays. Um, >> I'll second that motion.
>> Well, I can't make a motion. >> Make a motion to open to to change the hours from 12 to 12:00 p.m. Saturday and Sunday. >> I second that. >> All in favor of opening on Saturdays and Sundays at 12:00 p.m.
>> I um did someone want to make a motion regarding the 2 a.m. >> Again, like I said, u he's asking for days. Uh we should try we should at least try two days Sunday and Sunday. I make a
motion to approve those two days. Is there a second? >> No. Um so unfortunately u we do not have um without a second we can't move
forward. Correct. U so >> make a motion to for the hours 12:00 to 1:00 Saturday, Sunday and whatever is on Thursday. Make a motion to keep it is 1:00 closing.
>> So you're saying you want to keep the hours as is for closing Thursday through Sunday >> and yes >> because we already did the other half. >> Yes. Can we get a second to keep the hours as is Thursday through Sunday?
>> Right now he opens at 1. >> Made the motion >> for right now. >> We just approved at 12:00. We approved the Saturday and Sunday opening at 12:00 pm. Um he um
he did not second your motion to um approve being open until 2 a.m. for two days. Um as the chair, I can't um make a motion um or second, I don't believe. >> Uh but I I wouldn't second that motion
either. Okay. Um, so >> did you already make a motion to to change all days from 12 to to one? >> Two days they want change and then close to one. Yes. >> You're stating you want to m
>> maintain the late >> the closing hours. >> Yes. And allow the early hours. >> So he he's he's made a motion to maintain closing hours as they currently are. 1 a.m. Yes.
>> Um, and Saturdays and Sundays allow them to open at 12:00 p.m. >> So, he's not he's not asking for Tuesday, Thursday, and Friday open to 12 from 12. >> What are your current closing hours?
>> Thursday, Friday, >> until 1:00 a.m. >> No. When do you open? >> Oh, open at 100 p.m. >> Oh, you don't want to open at 12? Uh, no, because it's it's just for the games because the games start at 1. >> So, we have to open like at 12.
>> So, the current hours on his license are 1:00 p.m. to 1:00 a.m. 7 days a week. That is his current hours. So, the motion that Mike made was to maintain the
closing time um on that Thursday through Sunday of 1:00 a.m. as is currently on their license and then approve opening earlier on Saturdays and Sundays at 12:00 p.m.
>> You want to make a motion for that? I'll second that. All in favor? >> Um, so unfortunately we we are not in agreement to give you the 2 am. Um, but we are happy to give you the 12 p.m. start. Um, I do agree opening up a
little little bit earlier before the games get going, get everybody in. Um, we do want you to be successful. Um, I think you've done some amazing work between the uh, renovation that you did. you've clearly gotten the business
completely under control since we haven't been having issues. Um, so we we want you to be successful, but we just feel that it's not in the community's best interest to be open until 2 a.m. >> So, as you said, it's not the community's interest. Can I get a
petition from people in the city? Can I make a list of like all the people that >> You're bring welcome to do that and and bring that to the um commission. Um it doesn't mean that we will change our
vote um on a a future submission. Uh but you're always welcome to present any information of that nature to us. But what you guys are are telling me is that this you guys are telling me the city don't want this the So if I provide over 100 signatures, would that be able to
change your minds? >> We have 40,000 people that live in our city. I believe >> so. How many signatures do I need? >> It you you can submit it and we can review it, but I can't tell you that if you give me x number of signatures, we're going to say yes.
>> Okay? because it's a matter of community need and public safety and right now it's not good for public safety and we have not had people asking um for us to have this in our community and we've
been working uh just fine with the 1 a.m. closures. So at this point this is really what we're going to stick with. I mean, officer Chong just said that um the Chelsea Police Department and the River Police Department almost have the same amount of employees.
>> And River is like three times bigger than Chelsea. >> And we have and she also stated we have three times the calls for our police department. Yeah. >> So, I appreciate you coming before us and submitting this request, but at this
point um all that we are able to give you is the earlier opening time uh on um Saturdays and Sundays. Um and in that um that is also an approvement um or we have to make a motion because we didn't
do it in the first one to approve their amuse amusement and entertainment license to also start at 12:00 p.m. on Saturdays and Sundays. >> Can I get a motion? >> I'll make a motion to approve >> and a second. And all in favor for that. Um so that way your entertainment
matches that those revised hours on the Saturdays and Sundays. >> Okay. Thank you. Thank you very much. Next on the agenda, we have a public hearing to consider a cannabis license change of hours from
8:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. Sunday through Wednesday and 8:00 a.m. to 11:00 p.m. Thursday through Saturday. uh requesting a change of 8 am to 11:00 p.m. Sunday through Wednesday and midnight Thursday
through Saturday for DMS Trinity LLC DBA Trinity Naturals at 272nd Street Chelsea. >> Hello, my name is Dennis Pion Santos. I'm the owner and the manager. I was here not too long ago. I accidented my hours, so it was a good test. Um so we
haven't had any incidents. Uh the days we open to 11 is being our busiest day. The customers love it. So I would love to also have that on the other days. Most of my employees are full-time now. So with the extended hours will help us
hire more people as well and more help. And that way we can also continue to help the city and hire staff. >> Um and how how long ago did you come before us for that last change of hours? >> Two months. A month and a half. >> Yeah. Um,
given that and the the the such a recent change of adjusting those hours and giving later hours, I I personally want to see a little more history of having these later hours in the community for the cannabis uh shops
um and ensuring that we don't have any issues that come into play with that before I would agree to do anything. Could at least I match the hours that you guys gave Chelsea Butts as well because then uh they just changed the hours to 8 to 11 Thursday through um so
the same hours I have Thursday, Friday and Saturdays >> and then Sundays uh Sunday through Wednesday they're open to 10 and I'm closing at 9:00. I've been open for almost a year. They're just open. So I want to be able to have the same hours.
I would not be opposed um to a 10 p.m. >> Um I just I wouldn't want to necessarily go later than that. >> Okay. >> Um >> just so we can kind of see how these later hours go. >> Um but I would not at all be opposed because you are also in a less
residential area as well. Um, so on my side, I I would say before we really get into it with everybody that um looking at changing the Sunday through Wednesday to 10 p.m. and and I would keep the
Thursday through Saturday at the 11 p.m. that we just recently approved. Um, but before we make any sort of emotions, um, open it up for discussion, any initial comments from my fellow commissioners?
>> I mean, I think it's a great location. I think that doesn't bother the neighborhood. I don't know how the lighting is in your parking lot. Is it good? >> It's pretty good. Yeah. >> Sidewalk, too. Stairs, everything. >> How's business going? All right. >> It's It's good. >> Yeah, >> we're doing good. >> But you get you get more busy later at night. >> Yes. Any uh opening to 11 definitely
helped. >> Yeah. In the morning 8 is not as busy. I feel like it help us get ready for the day. >> People start coming up more 9 so it doesn't affect as much the morning but it's staying later definitely helps. We also have other cannabis dispenser
around us that open to 12 but it's another city. >> So I kind of just want to be able to compete with everybody just kind of keep it the same. >> And and again it's I I feel for all the businesses in our community. I I want you guys all to be very successful, but I think we need to be cautious at these
expansions >> and get some history and see see what's happening. Um before we >> of course >> jump to that. >> I appreciate it. >> Um Sergeant Chung, uh questions, comments from the police department.
>> Good evening. uh Chelsea Police Department conducted a administrative check back in April of 2025. Uh additional to that admin check, there was also an anonymous complaint filed in
regards to the establishment uh both video and audio recording without any postage signage and in areas they were not supposed to post. Um, officer Santiago conducted that check, did not
confirm that the video um confirmed that the video only recorded video, surveillance only recorded video and no audio was heard. Um, I just want I just wanted to know obviously I was not there for that administrative check. How did that come about? Did you ever have it
and then you realize I can't be doing this without posting it and then or >> so we always had the signs for uh videos recording. So wasn't a I guess a former employee that called for some reason. Uh he came I I I open everything for him to
see. I still have the pen drive that he request me to save the videos. >> So I still have it there for him to come and pick it up. >> Okay. >> But no, we didn't have any audio and after my last meeting here I spoke to him a little >> because sometimes we we need to
understand what's happening if people are fighting there or there's an issue. So the he mentioned to me you just need to be able to to put the signs audio and video recording. So after I did all the signs, I was able to adjust some of the cameras, but just for safety for us, but
when we had that issue was was not correct. >> Right. So Massachusetts is a two-party consent state. This is why the Commonwealth requires you under Mass General law to post the signage. So that way it's obvious and it's everyone in the room is aware that their
conversations are not private. >> Um, >> and also is required by this uh the cannabis commissioner to have those signs. So when uh they came for my inspection, the signs were already there. >> So it was more the audio situation that was not was not correct.
>> How long are your current cameras currently recording? >> What audio or like in general? How long is the memory of being retained? >> Uh it's four months. >> Okay, that's very good. That's it's a minimum of 90 days, but you you did four
months. Okay, very good. Um no call logs in this location. Um other than that, everything during the administrative check was great. Um and we addressed that issue. So, so you said you do have signs up now. >> I do. Yeah. >> Okay. So, you are audio and video
recording now. Okay. How many cameras do you have? >> A lot. >> Yeah. >> 68. Perfect. So that's 360 entrance exits. Okay. All right. And all of them record video audio. >> Not all of them. So the only places that are recording audio is the place that have the signs
>> in public. >> Yes. Uh outside they don't record audio. Uh every room that has the sign, it records audio. >> Okay. So pretty much those rooms are used by customers only. uh in the office
in the office but in the customers would be just the the entrance and then the retail area. So those I have some cameras that >> and all obviously all your employees are aware of the cameras that have audio. Okay, very good. >> Thank you. >> Thank you.
um any um feedback from the police department regarding um whether whether we're talking this cannabis shop or other cannabis shops. Have we seen any issues? I know we've just recently expanded hours for not
only this business but a couple of others. Have we seen any um increase in calls in later hours at any of the cannabis locations? Uh the cannabis locations for licensed establishments are actually the least amount of calls
we receive. Um they obviously do not have serving on premises. So it's just that grab that go and then see you later. So we have very few issues there. Actually, we have had more calls there internally in regards to
lararseny or whatever the case may be um by employees than uh put the public. >> Wonderful. Other questions from my fellow commissioners before we open this up for public speaking? >> I have no questions.
>> Okay. Is there anyone from the public that would like to speak on this matter? Seeing no one, um, is is there somebody that would like to make a motion
to make sure I say this correctly again? um to change the hours um for Trinity Naturals to 8:00 a.m. to 1000 p.m. Sunday through
Wednesday and maintain um the closing hours of 11:00 p.m. Thursday through Saturday. >> Make a motion to approve those hours. >> I second it. >> All in favor?
Thank you. I appreciate >> Thank you very much. Um we we wish you a lot of continued success. >> Um and and who knows if things keep going well. Um in the future, may maybe we can continue to expand ours. Um but
don't just come back in two more months. Let's let's get some real history and and see where these things go. Um, next on our agenda, uh, we did that one. Um, we have a public hearing to consider a transfer of
an all kinds of alcohol beverages on premise license application from Takaria Eucalyptto Corporation, DBA, Las Vegas Restaurant to King Tacos Restaurant Corp., DBA, King Tacos at 388 Broadway,
Chelsea. >> Good evening. I'm attorney Sam Vitali. My office is at 161 Liberty Street in Lynn. This is Maria Rivas. Um, as you uh chairwoman has indicated, this is for a change in ownership. This applicant, I think, is very well suited for a couple
of reasons. Maria's worked at the establishment in many capacities for many years. It's in recognition of that that the current owners want to give her an opportunity to not be just an employee anymore, but to be an owner
operator and give her the opportunity. We need the approval of the local board. As I say, she's worked at this location uh and is experienced and has uh tip certification and I think the applicant is well suited, but to go forward, we
need your approval. >> Wonderful. Can you share a little bit about the the various positions um that have been um worked at this location and in the industry? >> The the hours would stay the same in
current hours. >> No, I'm I'm asking about her history um and what a little bit more information about the various roles that she has done. I would say she was chief cook and bottle washer, but I don't know that that might be disparaging. I think she
did many jobs at the location. >> Uh, and but in order to take a supervisory role or to take an ownership role, >> we need to get the formal approval of >> course. But are we talking roles in the back of the house, the front of the
house, both of them? Are are we talking >> If you need a translator, I believe we have a translator. Okay, perfect. Perfect. >> If if you could just step up to the microphone. Um, >> I need a board. >> You did both. Um, so were your roles as
a server um and a bartender? uh if if I may ask >> and again just anytime somebody speaks I just need you at the microphone. That's okay. >> So I'm I'm her son Louis Rivas. I'm here to just support her and obviously to translate. Yeah.
>> Uh so but she's she's she already had worked there before. >> Yep. >> As a cooked >> as a waitress, >> but just you know nothing to be like a owner type of thing. >> No, of course. Uh just anytime that we're approving somebody for a liquor
license, um we we like to know a little bit about the experience that they have had in the industry because >> it it's sorry. >> No, no, that's okay. >> From
2006. >> Very nice. Congratulations. Um, and how long have you worked at this particular location? >> 20 years. >> At that same place that >> Yes. >> How long?
>> 20 years. >> Um, and um, so you're looking to take over as an owner? >> Yes. >> Um, and have you
um, in in the 20 years um, Have you been a supervisor or a manager yet or no? Either answer is okay. >> No. >> Not yet. Okay. Uh but you've done your tips training. >> Wonderful. And have you done the tips
manager training? Because there's two different ones. >> Yes. >> Okay. Perfect. Um other questions from my fellow commissioners. >> How are you? How are you? One question. There was an incident three, four, five months ago. Wondered if you were working that night or you weren't there. You
were there. You know the incident I'm talking about? >> Uh, say that again. >> There was an incident at the at the at the prop at the restaurant, five months ago. I don't know. Right. >> Same one. >> Yeah. >> Wondering if she was there that night.
>> Um, if if I could answer her because I was there that night. There was there was a birthday party happening. That's why she was there. >> Oh, you were there? You were there that night? >> Yes. They were celebrating a birthday party. That's why she was invited to it. So therefore,
>> she was there. >> Were you working or >> me? >> No, her. She working there? >> No, just as an uh >> just as a guest. >> Yeah. >> Is that where you're referencing? >> That must be it. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. There was a the couple I guess
there was a party the birthday party. >> This one was the debate as actually the owner >> DJ who the owner was. Yes. >> And I guess the people who were working they were drinking at the same time where they were working. >> Yes, I remember that.
>> So if I if I kind of go back to even though it's uh how could I say it's putting out my own out there? >> She was married to my stepfather. So it comes to like when she had a few drinks here and there, she kind of feels that she's entitled to something, but in
reality, the only owner is him. >> Therefore, she might have say something that it was out of place, but she was there just as a guest for that birthday party. Um, so one of the things that is important, as we stated, um, to one of the other groups earlier this evening,
the importance of making sure that you understand all of the city's rules and regulations um, and especially having an establishment that has had um, a few
uh, public hearings. Um we have we have one in 25 um and then we had a couple in um in we had one in 2016 um which thankfully there was a bit of a gap in
there. So we we just want to make sure that when you take over the establishment you understand all of those rules and regulations. Um, and if you have questions on them, you want to ask our licensing department so they can
make sure that those are explained so you know prior to getting in trouble. Uh, we we don't want to wait until there's a problem and then have to try to explain why you shouldn't have done that. So, um,
you just want to make sure you take that time, read through that, understand that. Um, one of the really big things, um, that we always talk about is the cameras. Um, and making sure that the cameras are maintained.
um they need to have a rolling 30 days um worth of footage which means that if today's I don't know what day it is the 13th and the police are coming and
asking for the um video footage from the 13th of September. >> Yep. >> Not September. What month are we in? >> November. >> November. Sorry. Uh it's been a crazy few months. So, oh, sorry about that. Um, today's
November 13th and the police showed up and asked for the footage from October 13th, you should still have that. Um, so it's that rolling 30 days. Um, so that's a very important piece and when the police come and ask for that information
to make sure that you give that to them. um we say in a timely manner um which I believe we've established as within 48 hours um just to make sure that they can um conduct whatever it is that they need to do um and we don't hinder any sort of
investigations that the police are trying to do. >> Okay. Um I I'm excited for you to have been an employee and to be able to um take over um as an owner of an establishment. that that is such an exciting opportunity um for you to be
able to do. Um Sergeant Chun, >> hello Maria. Hello Luis. Um I'm sure we remember each other. Okay. Uh it was an incident obviously back in May. I was a part of it because I was the street
supervisor. We didn't really get off on a great foot, right? So, I could tell at the time, even though you guys identified yourselves as such, her being the owner and yourself being the manager on duty, that we we weren't co-aligned because
you weren't aware of some rules and regulations that the city of Chelsea requires. >> If I may, I never go for it, please. >> If you could just, >> if I may, I never established I was the manager. Jesus, his brother, it was is the manager. She asked me if I was
Jesus. I said, "No, I'm Luis Rivas. And you said you were helping the manager. >> I was correct there. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Um, yeah. But we spoke to you, correct? >> We spoke to you that night. >> No, I'm saying we spoke to you
>> with me. Yes. >> Yes. Okay. So, obviously through the information that was just available to us from what you guys presented that night and then you were able to call Jesus or whoever you called to get me information that I needed. Um, from
there, obviously, we took what was given to us and then investigated further and then determined that wasn't the case, >> right? That she wasn't the owner on duty and you weren't the manager on duty. >> Uh, like again, I never established that I was the manager.
>> And uh, >> I called my stepfather. >> Yes. >> The owner. I didn't call her wrestles. >> Did you if I because >> we presented body we presented body one camera where he presented himself as assisting the manager and he was helping
out because someone was out of the country. >> Uh so what she's saying is that that evening you said that you were helping out. >> Yes. helping never >> while Jesus was out of the country which
technically means that you were acting as a manager >> which is what she's referencing >> but it was that one night you know it's not like I was there the whole time you know obviously you know like I am again
I told her I remember clearly what I said that I wake up every day at 4:30 I'm a carpenter I'm a union carpenter I rush to get here to, you know, to to make it to this meeting. Every day I I work like 12 to 16 hours.
>> I don't I don't have time to go there and you know, I have family at home. >> Mhm. >> It happens that that one time they asked me, can you do that? It's family. How can I turn my back? So that's that was it.
>> Um like Corey was conducted. Um, now Luis, are you going to also participate in assisting your mom as her manager going forward or no? >> As of right now, I don't have no plans whatsoever. Uh,
if I do, she would need to ask me, but as of right now, I'm I'm 100% capable. I'm sure that she could do it, you know, 100%. >> All right. So, Maria, who is going to be your manager >> into the There there is a so she's
obviously you know going to try to find somebody but to be honest >> I know >> um as of as of right now she's that's her life. My mom is there all the time. So if you're going to ever want to find
my mom go to that place and she'll be there no matter what time. I think the issue here that I'm trying to reference is I don't want you to if your mom to be in a bind you standing in as helping out as manager or helping out and whatever and then even though it's a day or two
it still requires to be reported to the board when you have a change of managers so that way you guys are starting at it off as a new business right we're not the sanctioning may already happen that was determined in July okay the six month sanction of the roll back of ours
right now you guys are going forward Right? I bring the past to better the future. And the reason why I do so is cuz I want to see you guys thrive, but you guys aren't going to thrive if you keep making the same stuff and mistakes of the future. Previous things that were done were obviously not up to you guys.
You guys didn't own the bar, right? But here's a chance to better it, right? There should be no reason that an expired license, alcohol, alcoholic, you know, beverage license should still be on the wall. It should be an updated one, right? So there were some things
that night that I witnessed and saw that nobody could explain to me but I took your word for it came back to to speak to the actual owners of the night and then obviously things unraveled and history were mentioned and stuff like that. So I mention all these things not to like pick at or judge anybody. I want
you guys to survive but to survive there are certain and succeed there are certain things like rules and regulations which were also not present there that has to be followed. That's all. You know what I'm saying? Um, like I said, Cory Chuck was done. It was
clear, um, a very dated dated case from back in the day, uh, which was dismissed. Um, a call log was also conducted. This formally was this for this location was formerly known as King
Tacos already. The name was changed due to reasons known to Maria and then now it's being changed back. um very limited calls in 2025 aside from that fight call where we had to take an action um back
in May. Um are you guys keeping the same staff? >> Uh same people. >> Same people. >> Okay. All right. So once you we'll give you some time depending on what the
board decides tonight. We'll give you some time to kind of get established. You obviously have experience so you know um but cooperation is important. We are agents of the ABCC as police officers. We literally have a right to come in and do administrative checks and
everything that gets asked for that's reasonable as I'm sure your council attorney Vitali can mention to you within the four corners of the law is to be turned over to us. Okay. So that's it's just what it is. You know, I know that night when we spoke, you were
like, "But Boston doesn't do this." No, whatever. This is Chelsea. You know what I'm saying? We just have our own local ordinances of rules and regulations, and that's just what has to be followed. Okay. We'll touch base before the end of the year um to come by and do another administrative inspection, but it will probably behoove you if you're going to
change staff is to get them the trainings required. Good luck to you. >> Thank you. Um is there anyone from the public that would like to speak on this matter? I don't don't see anyone other questions, comments before.
>> So, you still you sort of explained it to me, but the the building the business is getting sold basically sold for nothing, right? You kind of explain it to me. Plus, he's given a contribution, right? Ex-husband, husband. >> Uh, that's her ex-husband.
>> Ex-husband. He's just given it to her. He's just done. He doesn't want it anymore. So basically he's what he's been he already has like three more uh two more businesses. One in Rivier, one in Lyn, >> and this one here in Chelsea. >> And you know uh so basically he's like
I'm tired. >> Yeah. >> I want to get some time off. Got >> you know it's time for her to take over. >> So >> does she have any funds? Like I see I'm looking at the funds. If you know if something comes up, something breaks, it's I don't see anywhere where she has funds, you know, for emergencies, for
anything else. It's basically this $5,800. Does she have other money? >> I I believe the I believe the u that's the one And if we could just share his name.
>> Oh, so what >> just for the record >> also my name is Ra Santos. So all the expenses in the business is come right now from the Kalito because um
I she working with me many years and I'm really old already and I have another business and re so I want to get a little press more time for me >> and I going to pass to her but she
don't use any money everything I support by >> but I see that I see the money you you you gifted to her is there any other money that she has in case there's an emergency fund for to keep the business out on its feet to slow times >> I going to support them so whatever
coming on if any issue coming like economic and the future I always behind them. So that's the story. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Other questions, comments from my fellow
commissioners or does somebody want to make a motion? >> Commissioners, I just have a question. >> Yes. What if if approved depending on what the commission decides that disciplinary remains correct
>> the disciplinary >> because it's a six months from its decision for the roll back of ours. >> So um it takes a while. So once this this is is if it's either approved or
not approved it needs to go to the APC. It takes time for them to get approval from the ABCC. So until then, >> that still applies, >> right? This plan still applies. >> Correct.
>> But once it changed to over to them, >> it will still stay at 11 and if they want change the hours, they have to come back >> after the six months. >> Yes. >> Okay. Thank you. >> You're welcome. Fellow commissioners,
>> what do you think? I don't want to make Rahu stay as the owner if he doesn't want to be the owner anymore. I would like to see a better track record from them, you know. >> Agreed. >> Um I I'm not opposed to approving um the
transfer. Um, I do want to make sure I reiterate what I already said of the importance of familiarizing yourself with the rules and regulations of our city. Um, that is very important. Um,
and I mean it is a little lengthy um and boring to read but very very important. Um the um the pieces of information that are really important in that document that
people break the rules all the time on are the cameras, which I already stated. Um not providing information to the police when the police ask for it. That's a that's a big no no. Um, if you have an issue in your bar where
restaurant where somebody is um intoxicated and getting out of hands, your job is to call the police for help. Um, if you don't call the police and you have that problem, you're in violation
of your license. So, the police is there to help you. So, if you have a problem, you need to call them. Um, and if you've done your tips training, you know, not to overs serve people. Make sure that all of your servers and bartenders,
everybody who is handling liquor, any supervisors, all understand and have taken that tips training. Um, you another big one, which I can't remember if this was one of the items on that
report that night. Um but staff um including owners are not allowed to drink while they are working. >> So if you are the manager on duty um and
um you're there, you can't drink. >> If you have bartenders there, they can't like pour a shot for the guest and a shot for them. You can't do any of that because then you're breaking the rules >> and and we want you to be successful. So
very very important because those jeopardize your license and it's giving a free drink to someone or having your bartender take a shot. That's going to make them happy in that moment, but you're going to lose your business and
we don't want that to happen. Okay? >> So very very important to pay attention to those details. And then if you're not going to be the manager on duty anymore because you hire a manager that's going to be there the
bulk of the time, you need to um submit an application to the city to request a change of the manager on record. You'd still be the owner, but you'd be changing who's the manager that's there. And I believe it's it's like you need to
be there at least 65% of the time or something like that to be the manager on duty. >> Okay. Other questions? >> That's really You hit it. The manager. I just want to know going forward who's going to be the manager. I just as soon as you can give me a concrete answer.
>> She is listed on >> I know she wants to be the manager now, but it sounds like she's she's only there till she finds somebody. Is your intent to find somebody to be the manager or are you >> are you the manager because out of default or or you want to stay there as a manager? >> I want to look for somebody else.
>> Gotcha. Gotcha. And and just um to be to be clear with with the liquor licenses um your your your manager on your liquor license isn't necessarily the manager that is there 100% of the time because it's just not possible. Um but that is
the primary manager and there's other managers um that are noted. Um I I know in my past I don't know if we require it here in Chelsea um but we used to have to submit a list to the city of who is
allowed to be on property um at certain hours. So it listed who the other managers are because you do have other supervisors and managers to cover the hours when you have a day off because you can't work every day. Um but when you are no longer the person that is
there almost all the time. um or if you are going to go out of town um and and take a vacation, you need to make sure that you let the city know that you're away. >> Okay. >> Other
does anybody want to make a motion? >> They want to keep the same hours, right? >> Yes. We're only talking about um transferring the license >> um from him to her. Let me make a commission to approve >> and a second.
>> I second. >> All in favor? >> I really do wish you a lot of luck. >> Uh Naomi, >> uh just to um make sure to finish um the
liquor license renewals and the A&E. Okay. And the CV. Okay. >> Thank you. >> One before we uh um to just uh inform me that the name will be changed too. So at some point >> I think you have to
>> think you you have to file something to change the name of the business, right? Or is it already listed that way? >> Yeah, you already have that listed in the application. >> So you can you can already um once everything is approved through the ABCC
um that is already in all of the paperwork. So that's not an issue at all. >> Um, so go ahead. >> I'm sorry. Um, do they have to apply for an occupacy permit to change name? >> Have they done that? >> I don't know. I don't think so. You
didn't apply yet. >> Getting that inspected by the building. >> I don't know what they call Chelsea, but when it's called the 304 inspection. >> Oh, that's a We do that, too. That's coming up now. But so it'll be good because we'll do the inspection right away. You need a new occupy permit in
your name, not your husband's name or your ex-husband's name. >> You have to apply my office. >> Go get that. >> Thank you. >> Thank you so much. >> So, you get that? >> Oh, because without without the occupy, I can't send
>> because they change the name too. It chang >> um what just one one quick thing, guys. um on on that you want this can't take place until you have that occupancy permit done. So this is pending that
occupancy permit uh being >> by tomorrow morning >> being approved. Okay. So make sure you reach out to inspectional services immediately. >> Thank you. And one final item on the agenda this
evening. We have a public hearing to consider a change of manager for an all kinds of alcohol beverages on premise license application for Milliana Fiesta LLC at 354th Street Chelsea. >> Good evening. >> Good evening.
>> Good evening. >> Uh Sophia Guzman representing Mr. Chino. for Emiliana's fiestas. Uh we're changing the manager. The current manager right now, Carol Jet, um just
wishes to move forward with another endeavor. Um and we're trying to be proactive. So, Mr. Chino will be able to then manage that business as well. Business has gone down, so it's easier
now for him to be at both locations. Um and and he is the owner. Yes. >> And Okay. Um, one of the questions that I did have was
when I was reviewing the application, um, in the section where it asks about prior disciplinary action, >> yes, >> the only item noted is 2016 at Mis
Salvador, Mexico, um, for over serving. That's that's what he believed was accurate. >> And >> was there a different one? >> We have um a suspension of the license at
Amelana Fiesta um on March 21st of 2024. >> Okay. I was not aware of that one. and a suspension for >> that >> uh for no video surveillance
>> that that resulted as a suspension here. >> I believe that that was a hearing, wasn't it? I don't >> I don't I don't recall that being a suspension but ask his daughter who >> so it was uh it is on uh record with the
city in a disciplinary docket. >> Okay. Then that because none of us believe that to be the case we had a hearing to consider because of the camera not recording the 30 days. Well, >> if if you can just step up and that's
okay. We had just state your name just for the record. >> Denise. >> Denise Chino. Okay. So, we had a hearing due to our camera footage not not recording the 30 30 days. >> So, we had a hearing. We came up and but
we there was no suspension made >> um because we had corrected we changed our surveillance system with officer Nicole. She approved. She came by. She she said we were good to go. >> I believe that's the correct. >> No, it was one that you couldn't attend
to and you um referred another attorney. >> I'm guessing I mean it feels crazy that it's that long ago, >> but I think that's the only time I can remember them coming before us. >> Was it maybe maybe two days a >> I don't remember that being a suspension. And I do remember I was
away. I had another lawyer. >> Yes. Um and >> David Midland is listed as having covered that >> the report back was it was not a suspension. >> Um >> so we might need to >> we'll have to have to check that
>> inance and you went you went months without any problem >> which is also possible. Um >> and could have been >> I don't I remember suspension. So again if there was an omission from that it's because none of us believe that there was a suspension from that.
>> Okay. um just when I'm looking at a docket versus an application, I I'm not doing my job if I don't bring that up. Um so we we can certainly look into that. Um and since since that subject matter had to do with our cameras, everything's still working properly over
there. >> Yes, they have hired someone else. They've gotten everything corrected. Um, and I think there was an incident maybe about a year ago when police took the hard drives and everything
in order to see what >> Yeah. Oh, perfect. Uh, questions, comments from my fellow commissioners? >> No questions. Um, so the question that I would have
is, um, are you also listed as the manager on record for the other establishment? >> Yes, I believe so. >> Um, so how can you spend at least 65% of your time at both businesses? >> So, Emiliana's is operating on the
weekends only. >> So, 65% of that time is minimal. >> Thank you. Oh, is she still listed as that manager? >> Okay. So, >> okay. There is somebody. Okay. But he is also at >> Yeah. >> at Misano
>> pretty much every t every day. >> Every day >> most from opening to closing give or take when he has to run errands. Um, but regardless of that, Amelana's functions as a function hall >> and parties are booked in advance and
therefore limited four or five hours in a day. Um, so it's very easy for him to be able to >> that makes complete sense >> to double duty. >> Complete sense. >> Um, Sergeant Chung, uh, questions, comments from the police department. So,
that situation back in March of 2024 was an incident involving a fight that broke out into the street on Fourth Street. Um, we could not get surveillance at the time. That issue was rectified through Officer Mclofflin um with the establishment. Um, so I don't ever
believe it was tabled to go to a disciplinary. It may have been held in abance but um pending the uh police review that was back in March of 2024. Core check was conducted um all clear on
Mr. Aino um Mino and um also no call logs for 2025. >> Wonderful. We always love it when there's no call logs. So thank you for um maintaining a responsible business in our community. Um
before I ask um well I would I would say is there anybody from the public that would like to speak on this matter? Um but I don't really see anybody else in the audience. Um so I I see no one there. Um the only thing that um I will state before we
move on is just make sure you stay on top of um the cameras, making sure that they continue to work. If you have any issues with the cameras, make sure that you report that um to the city or the police department so that way they are aware of it while you're getting
something fixed. Um don't wait until afterwards and then potentially have a problem. You always want to kind of uh make sure you're staying ahead of those things. Um but again, having had no other issues come before us, uh that is all wonderful to hear and we hope that
that definitely continues. Um you said the business has slowed down a little bit at both of them or one of them. >> Both of them. >> Both. Yes. Um just given the nature of everything, both businesses have >> subsided a bit.
>> Allowing him time now to >> Well, I'm glad some staff go. I'm I'm glad it allows you a little bit of time, but I'm sorry to hear that business hasn't been um as strong as it had been, and I do hope that it picks back up for you so that way you need to have
additional managers to cover everything because uh we obviously want you to be successful in the community. Um questions, comments from my fellow commissioners or does somebody want to make a motion? >> Just want to ask a question. U so the manager is going to be you.
>> Yes. And this person, Carol, she's no >> she's no she she's going to move on. She's not going to be with us. >> That's my question. And u I make a motion to approve. I second. >> All in favor? >> I congratulations on the change of
manager. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. And good luck. We wish you continued luck with your businesses. Um, from there, we did have on the agenda a discussion on the progressive discipline policy. Um, but if it is okay with both of you gentlemen, um, we can
push that to next month since it is already 8:00 this evening and we only have the three of us here this evening. Um, but if we can push that to our next meeting. Um, and our next meeting is scheduled to take place on December
11th, 2025. Meeting adjourned.