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Good evening everyone. Today is Thursday, June 11th. Uh this is a meeting of the Chelsea Licensing Commission. I am joined this evening by my fellow commissioners Ano Lopez, uh

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Mike McAteer, um Alexandria Christmas and Emily Churniaak, uh myself, Marty McAlpine. Uh we then have uh Bee Hernandez from our licensing department. We have our assistant city solicitor, um

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Mark Rossi. Uh we then have Officer Santiago from the Chelsea Police Department. and Captain Fatten. >> Fartan, I apologize. Uh, I was doing so well. [laughter] And Captain Fardon from

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the police department. I also see Sergeant Chung here. Um, so thank you everyone for joining us this evening. Uh, we do have a few things on the agenda, but we'll try to keep things moving right along. Um, as a point of

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housekeeping, if I could just ask my fellow commissioners to make sure that your mics are on um, for speaking. And when anyone here before us this evening comes to speak, if you could please step up to the microphone and clearly state your name and reason uh, for being

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before us. If there are multiple people coming to speak on the same subject, if you could each please step to the microphone before speaking, it helps us hear you better up here and it also helps anybody who is watching this on um

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one of the live options or later as a recording. So with that, uh we will get this meeting started and uh we will kick off with um approving the minutes from

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our May 14th, 2026 meeting. Uh can one of my fellow commissioners make a motion to approve those minutes? >> Make a motion to approve. >> Thank you. And a second. >> Second. >> All in favor?

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>> I. Thank you very much. Uh from there, we'll move right over to UB uh for a clerk's update. Um what we have is an approval of a date change um or an added date for July meeting.

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Um if we can have that for the 16th of July. We have a few um we have a few hearings on the agenda. Uh it does everyone have availability on July 16th?

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>> I won't be able to be in that date. >> I'm attentive. I'm sorry. [snorts] >> I will find a way to cover work. Okay. [laughter] Uh, so we can um

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can I'd like to make a motion to approve our next meeting to take place on July 16th, 2026 at 6 p.m. >> I'll second that. >> All in favor? >> Thank you.

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Anything else for your updates? >> Nothing. >> Thank you. Have there been any communications? >> No. >> Thank you. From there, we will move into the first of our public hearings. The first item

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on the agenda this evening is a public hearing for a change of manager for an all alcohol beverages on premise license application for Merit Social and Athletic Association Incorporated at 101 Webster. A Chelsea Mass. Is there anyone here before us this

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evening for >> you can step up to the microphone? >> That's okay. Share your name. >> Uh yes, my name is Anvil Santiago. >> Wonderful. And are you the owner of the establishment?

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>> I am not. That's a membership. >> And can you tell us a bit about why you're requesting this change? Um, it's the Merit um social athletic club. Um, I've been a member for four years

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now. Um, it seems to it's getting old and it's a nice club. I I'm sad to it. It kind of was going to go down. You know what I mean? You just

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uh So, I decided to kind of run for office. Mhm. >> Um, and I got elected. Um, and I just want to make changes to the place. Um, you know, I'm trying to open it up more, you know. Um, I, you know, I joined the Chamber of

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Commerce. I'm trying to get so they can have some, you can have meetings and I'm trying to get out to the public. So, you know, we can, you know, we we did some renovations to the club. Um, members did use their own time to do it. Uh, you know, so we didn't have to pay a lot cuz

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we don't have a lot of money. Mhm. >> Um uh so I think we look made the place look really nice. U we're still working on it. Um and the previous manager uh you know I have to um appreciate cuz he's the one he sponsored me to get into

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the club. >> Um I just I think it's just time for him to kind of step aside and he's all for it, you know, and obviously you don't want to pass this on to anybody. So he trusts me. Um and I appreciate that. you

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know, I've been a much healthy guy for 59 years. I've been in the school system for 29 years. Um, you know, I I was a president of my union. I am non-unionary now. Um, I just got a promotion to assistant director of facilities for the Chelsea public schools.

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>> Congratulations. >> Uh, thank you. And I'm just trying, like I said, it's a nice place. It's got parking and, you know, and, you know, I mean, we only have the yacht club and the PBC left. The French club is a building now. Uh, so you know, we don't have many clubs left. Um, so I just want

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to keep it running and, um, I think, you know, having this license, you know, would allow me to do that. >> Very nice. Um, and so how often are you planning on being there as >> I am there? Well, for now, I'm there

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pretty seven days a week. So when I get out of work, I'm going there to make sure everything's u, you know, running. and the typical hours. >> Um, so I get out of work at 3.

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Uh, so I'm there probably by 4 and I'm probably there till like 8, >> but >> later sometimes. >> What hours are is the club typically open? >> Oh, the club opens up at uh 3. >> Yes. Uh, initial questions for my fellow

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commissioners before I ask uh the police department. >> How many bartenders are there during the week? >> During the week, there are three, including myself. >> Oh, okay. Are they tip satisfied? Are

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they educated to serve? They know what they need to do. >> They Yeah, they're bartenders other in other places. Oh, >> okay. >> Yes. Do you typically rent out the hall during the weekdays too or it's just weekends pretty much you get?

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>> Um well I mean we offer it for weekday we we do the um >> we the veterans every first Wednesday of every month >> the veterans you know they they they serve food and they you know they use the hall you know for a few hours you

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know what I mean? So, uh, but you know, we're opening up to, um, weekdays, too. I mean, like, I mean, this weekend alone is probably the second time that we've had a Friday, Saturday, and Sunday function because, you know, people are starting to see the club. They're liking it. You know, it's

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it's a good it's a good atmosphere to go to. Um, so, you know, it's open. We just haven't had any requests. >> Yeah. I was there for a one-year-old birthday party about a year ago, and I didn't even know it existed, and it was great. So, it's a great space. >> Glad. >> Yeah.

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>> Yeah. I've actually recently started seeing people making comments on some of the Chelsea >> social media pages about it being a great place for events. >> Feel feel free to come by. I'll give you a tour. >> What What time you guys close? >> Uh it depends on the night. Um so we

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have like a dart team. Um, so we play yards and, you know, that could to be 11:30, 12, you know, right around the right around there. >> I have um on their license they're open till 1:00 a.m. So, they have a 1:00 a.m.

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>> Um, and are you yourself tips trained? >> Am I t What am I? I'm sorry. What was that? tips trained >> to the tip training for bartender or serving alcohol. Are you trained yourself? >> Um I mean I trained myself. I don't know what that

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>> So that's a no. >> You would know if you were. [laughter] >> Sorry. >> It'd be probably good to just take that training just so that >> Yeah, >> it's helpful. Well, the one of uh one of our she's been doing it for like 30 something years and she'll you know she

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kind of trained me on it you know so >> she's >> um it is something that we have asked of our other lences um just to make sure that everybody who is serving liquor um so bartenders um I don't know that you necessarily have them in your

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establishment but servers anybody servicing alcohol goes through that tips training just to make sure that they understand um their personal responsibility in serving liquor as well. Um because a lot

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of people don't realize that in the situation that something goes wrong which we all know [snorts] >> we go through every single day everything's good everything's good until the one time it is >> until the one time. >> Um but when that happens when you are the person who served the liquor you can

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be held responsible. Um so it's important that everybody has had that training. Okay. >> Um and um the you can do online uh trainings for that now. Um there's there's all sorts of different ways of doing it.

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>> Okay. Thank you. I will do that. >> Other questions from my commissioners before I open it? >> No questions. Questions. Uh Captain

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on [laughter] the uh on the police side, we have we have no concerns at this time. Um everybody that's there, it's my understanding, has already been working. The only change is this gentleman here and uh we have no issues as far as we can tell. Obviously, he'll need that training you spoke of, but other than

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that, I think uh it would be good. Uh Joe did all the uh the leg work on this, so if you have anything to add. Uh, Officer Joe Santiago, Chelsea Police. Um, so just doing your background. All set. Uh, nothing there

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to worry about. I made a a list. So I figured you probably don't know have this pretty much what we look for a lot of things. Um, when we're done, I can email it to you, okay? >> Or I can uh I'll just go over it with you. >> But also just get familiar with the

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licensing commission rules and regs. >> Um, and I highlighted a lot of stuff in there. Thank you. >> That uh a lot of managers, owners oversee it and especially when you do your tip certification. >> Yes. >> The the one thing that we always talked about is the over service.

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>> So all that but in due time I'll get together with you and I'll provide everything for you. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. Come on. I I do think a couple things to point out because they are regularly coming before us from other lenses. Um is making sure that everybody

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on your team that uh is working understands [clears throat] that when they are working they cannot consume alcohol. >> Um that is a very important rule um that we are seeing people continue to break.

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So we don't want to see you end up before us. So definitely make sure your team knows that. >> Yes. >> Um and the second piece that has continued to be an issue, >> uh I think I've been on this board now for

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>> four years or or a little more than four years and it has continued to be an issue is um making sure that your cameras are in proper working condition. >> Yes. and that uh you maintain a rolling

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30 days worth of footage. >> Okay? >> And should our police department request footage, it is turned into them within a timely manner and that means 48 hours, >> right? >> Um and um that way they can do their

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investigation. And you have to remember [clears throat] that these cameras are also there to protect you when something happens. And then if something happens in your establishment, something gets out of control, you immediately call the police. >> Uh they are there to help you. And um

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>> some you can't necessarily control people. You can control over serving, right? >> But you can't control people. And that's when we rely on our police department to step in. >> Um so please utilize them should any >> situation. Many we have many cameras. >> Wonderful.

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>> Mhm. I have a last question. >> Yes. >> Uh I asked the time and I I see here in the license is 8 am to to 2 am Monday to Friday and Saturday 8:00 a.m. to to 1:00 p.m. Which one is the exact hours?

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>> If you don't mind me, so the the Monday through Friday is it I mean we for the alarm place we I guess we're allowed to stay till 2. We 99% don't. If we do, it's cleaning uh clean up. Um and then

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that Saturday is 1:00. >> Um and again, you know, it's just that's mostly a cleanup time. You know, we don't just walk close the doors and walk away. You know, there's clean up to do. Um so that's that's why the the Monday

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to Fridays till 2 o'clock. >> Thank you. So, I I misread um the license when I mentioned the 1:00. The the only establishments that have the 2 a.m. are the clubs.

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>> Okay. >> And I think the reason for that, I would have to double check, but I think the reason for that is because they're they have members. They have controlled members. Um but again, I would have to double check with that, but there are very few. There's only a handful of um 2

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am and it's their only clubs. >> All right, no more questions. >> I have a comment. Um seeing that you didn't know what tips um certification is, I think it would benefit you and especially that your goal is to like

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revamp your club is maybe have your bartenders do the tip certification or ask them if they've already done it. It doesn't cost much. I think it's like $40 online, but if you do it as a group, it's discounted, right? >> I think because your goal is to revamp

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the club and follow, you know, the conditions of the license. >> Yeah. We'll make I will be I will do it if the one I think that we have one that's certified. >> The other ones if they're not, we'll do it and the club will pay for it. >> I think it'll benefit you. >> Yeah. Oh, definitely. Yes. >> And it's good for three years when you do it. So, it's not like you have to

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immediately redo it again. >> Okay. I'll do it myself. Anything else from the police department? >> No. No further call. [cough] >> Thank you. Is there anyone from the public that would like to speak on this matter?

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>> Good evening. Uh my name is Daniel Ramos. I'm actually one of the abutters of the merit club. Um I live at 22 Julie Road. Um, so literally my parking lot is right be well the club the my parking

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right behind the club. Um, I've known Unable for 46 years that I've been alive. Um, and I completely vouch him in terms of his responsibility and I think it's a great um, opportunity for the actually the club to really

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shine. It's been a little dilapitated the last, you know, few years. Um, and I've celebrated birthdays, weddings, funerals in in the establishment. And, you know, it's always been the place in Chelsea to to kind of go to.

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>> Um, and Chelsea really doesn't have many, you know, many social clubs anymore. Well, technically any halls to to rent out, and nobody wants to have a party in their homes anymore. So, um, you know, I completely, um, again, vouch

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for him in terms of, um, you know, what I think he could do with the club and I'll be the first one, you know, joining. Um, just because I am the butter just in case I need to, you know, file a complaint, you know, I'm

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literally a fence away. Um, so yeah. So, thank you. >> Thank you very much. Is there anyone else from the public that would like to speak? Hi, my name is Jen Hassel. I'm the director of the Chelsea Chamber of Commerce and I'm here to speak on behalf of Anibbo Santiago and the Merit Club.

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Um, as he mentioned, they did become a member of the chamber. Um, they've met with me on several occasions just to make sure that they're following the right procedures. If I don't know them, I definitely take the steps to find out what they are so we can learn them together. Um, one of the reasons I want

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to advocate for this hall, we only have three left in Chelsea. This particular hall is probably the only hall that has handicap accessibility. The the PPC does not. The Yach Club does not. The Merit Club is the only one that does. The Merit Club's done a really great job at

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um upgrading the facilities, making it look much more friendlier. And now I actually have a place that I can refer people to when they call to ask if we have a function hall in the city that they can work with. Another plus about the Merit Club is not only are they handicap accessible, but they're really

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one of the only clubs that actually has parking, right? So, um I really want to advocate on his behalf, not just as the executive director of the Chamber of Commerce, but knowing Enable for over 40 years as just being part of the community. He is a stand-up gentleman.

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He is someone you want leading a club. So, I just want to make sure that I advocate on his behalf. I also want to share that um the chamber is going to be offering tip certification courses again. We did it in the spring and we'll make sure that reach we reach out to everybody particularly the clubs to make

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sure that their bartenders are tip certified if they want that option. Thank you very much for your time. >> Thank you. >> Yes. >> Hello. I'm Michelle Brown Santiago. I um was married to Anvil for 20 years. We're not together anymore, but he I consider

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him one of my best friends. He's I just I'm speaking about his character and what he brings to the city and what he brings to everybody that he touches and talks to. Um he's a father of four. His his oldest daughter's on the police department for a long time. His youngest daughter's here. We're just really

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tight-knit. I know I can count on him. I know that anybody that talks to him really speaks highly of him that he is the most trustworthy person. And it's coming from an ex-wife. I just want to say I feel like that's a lot. [laughter] So I just wanted to put my two cents in.

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Thank you. Thank you. [laughter] Is there anybody else that would like to speak on the matter? Okay, we will close the public speaking portion on this. Um, would any of my fellow commissioners like to make a

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motion perhaps with the contingency of ensuring that they also receive that tips training um, in the next couple of of I would say in the next like 30 days. And >> I'm sorry I can't I can't hear. Can you

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>> Thank you. and maybe a quick walk through with the police department to make sure all the cameras are not only operational but properly positioned. >> Can I raise that? >> That's a condition [clears throat] of approval. >> Yelled at >> I'll get in contact with Mr. Santiago

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and uh we'll arrange and we'll make a day for inspection, but I think we're going to be doing some anyway. >> Perfect. >> With those conditions, [laughter] I will make a motion to the change of manager for all alcohol beverages uh for

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the Merit Social Athletic Association Club. >> I second. >> All in favor? I >> Okay, so work on getting everybody certified >> immediately. Yes. >> And then um the connect with the police

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department and they'll do that inspection for you. >> We'll do. Thank you so much for your time. >> Thank you very much and best of luck to you. >> Thank you. The next item on our agenda is a public hearing for an amusement and

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entertainment license application for radio and multiple televisions for 410 Chelsea LLC DBA Chelsea Miles at 410 Bechum Street in Chelsea. >> Good evening. >> Robert Fidel.

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>> I'm the owner of Chelsea Miles. I have the certified mail receipts. I don't know if you need them. >> Thank you for coming before us this evening. So, can you share with us um why you're looking to add um the seven

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televisions and the radio? >> So, the televisions are uh for menus and uh offers like uh buy two get one. I have a store in a gas station. >> Mhm. >> And it's going to have a pizza place and a coffee shop. So, four of the television is going to be a menu.

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>> Okay. >> Instead of like a paper. And the other three uh towards the gas counter is going to be for specials like a buy two get one free or two for six, two for five. >> So, none of them are being used as

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regular televisions? >> No. >> Do they have to But because I have a radio, maybe they want me to come here. >> No, the radio for sure. >> Um, >> TV is TV. >> Okay.

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>> Even he could switch, >> but that's not entertainment. That's not entertainment. >> Yeah. Um, >> it was my understanding that the when they're used as menu boards, >> I could be wrong, >> but >> uh but the radio still

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>> he said seven TVs. >> Yes. >> Okay. He said [clears throat] four of them would be used as menus >> and then he said the other three were for specials. >> Special. So >> So no TV. >> There's no audio on it. >> No, the audio is only on the It's like it's going to be radio for speakers. That's it.

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>> Then you're not you're not putting on any television stations or YouTube or streaming services. >> I don't want anybody to watch TV. I want them in and out. [laughter] >> Well, and that's where I was like, that's a lot of TVs for this

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establishment. So it it kind of triggered >> I was wondering why. >> Yeah, I'm trying to make the place I don't know if you passed by. It's a brand new building. Um so I'm trying to make it like a modern. So instead of putting like a paper for menu, it's a nice TV, you know.

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>> That's why I put them. >> Yeah, it's a lot easier, I think, to to read than >> and change. >> Yes. And changing is so much easier. >> Um and then the the one radio. Um, questions from my fellow commissioners.

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>> No, >> no, >> no. >> Um, from our lovely Chelsea Police Department. >> So, um, I know the place he's talking about, it's always been a gas station. >> It looks awesome. >> Thank you.

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>> Uh, I like the idea in and out. Um, but we didn't know even open yet. I didn't know. I think some guys did, but um, we haven't done a background check or anything. I don't know if we need to do one. for the TVs. I know exactly what you're talking about. It's like for Kino and stuff like that, but I don't think you're using it for that. Just mostly

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menus. >> Kino Kino. Um, I applied with the lottery. >> Yeah. >> So, they're going to bring their own TV to put a >> So, there's no there's going to be no live TV there any >> So, I'll be happy to do an inspection if the council wants to, but uh, no issues,

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no problem, nothing. >> Anything from the city? >> No. Um, just that if you decide to change the the use of the TV, let us know. update the license, but otherwise I don't think they're counted as part of the entertainment.

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>> Is there anyone from the public that would like to speak on this matter? >> Seeing no one, we will close that. Um would anyone like to make a motion to approve? >> Make a motion to approve >> and and um

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>> second. Can you also share what we are approving? >> I need you to say the >> So, he's applying for a >> how many TVs? Seven. >> Yes. Seven Seven screens and a radio.

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>> Yeah. Make a motion to approve the the radios and TV. The radio and and TV. >> Second. All in favor? >> I. >> Thank you. >> Perfect. Thank you. We wish the best of

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luck. >> Next on the agenda, we have a public hearing for an amusement and entertainment license application for a television for Kachado restaurant at 10A Central A Chelsea. >> Hi, how are you? >> Good. How are you?

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>> My name is Anil. I come for the restaurant >> for the I put one TV is >> so I put the ticket for the license and for the permits he's >> perfect and is the restaurant open yet?

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He's open. >> He's not the >> And there's no drinking. Not the only one is the food and there's looking for the >> Is there any future plans to get to get an alcohol license? No. >> No. No.

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>> Um, have you been down there? >> Very, very clean. Spotless like that. >> Yeah. >> That's always nice. >> Yes. >> Um, questions from my fellow commissioners. No. >> Um, when did you open?

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>> Is I open one month before? >> Maybe. Maybe. Yeah. Yeah. One month. No, not one month. Is >> I open 50 m and he's he know one month. You said you open um o open on the 5th of May.

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>> Say it again. >> You said the 5th of May. >> 15th. >> 15th. >> No. >> 15th. Okay. >> Okay. Um any questions or concerns from our

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police department? >> We're just going because it's brand new. We're going to need the information of like who's going to be the manager and all that stuff so we can do our our check. So, we're going to need him to provide us with all that information. >> Um, is there a manager of record when it's a standard restaurant with no

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liquor license? >> Oh, no liquor. I thought it was >> no liquor. >> Oh, so that might change things. >> Just the cameras. >> Yeah, just the cameras. >> Yeah, I think it's uh you just want to make sure that you're in contact with the police department and if there's you

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know, you want to give them Yes. >> You want to give them the contact information for the establishment? >> Um, in in the restaurant. So, if you're if you're only asking for a television, what are you doing for sound in the

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restaurant? >> He's he's no right now. And I don't know maybe only one use for the TV, you know. Uh for right now I don't think so used for the Yeah, it's only when the TV

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>> uh go ahead. Will you be using the radio like or the um TV for music >> for the sticker? >> Huh? >> Is do we have a translator here? >> No. No. No. How about right now?

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>> Is the translator back? He said that he's basically going to use it for uh news and sports. >> So that would be the sound background sound for guests. >> Okay. I just want to make sure that if >> if you needed something else or you were

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planning on playing a radio for background music, >> you have to have that on your license. >> Okay. Uh, so just a very important thing to note so nobody says anything in the future. But if if the sound in the restaurant is the TV and you're playing

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the news and sports, that's fine. >> But see, I use one a little the sticker. He's the he's I needed the license too for this for the little one >> for for the little speaker. Yes. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Maybe I need

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>> Can we Can we modify this? Is there an additional fee? You have to pay an additional fee. >> Yes. >> So >> there would be. >> So you [snorts] can approve it pending receipt of the additional fee

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>> if you are some client. >> What kind of food you'll be serving? >> He have a Spanish food. >> Central American or South American. >> Yes. He's a little mix for the Central American. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Your last one shows how much it

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was. >> Is that what it is? >> So, so if um if you want to have a [clears throat] a radio or a little speaker playing music, >> okay. >> Um then you'd have to pay an additional $150

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um licensing fee to the city. >> Okay. >> Um and then obviously the commission would have to approve that. Um, but then you could have a radio or music playing in the restaurant and or a TV playing. >> Okay.

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So, what he's saying is that the $15 that all he's doing is he's not running like a local place where that loud music and stuff. It's it's it's only ran as a family business >> and and everybody's just sitting there

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having dinner and stuff. So, I think >> [snorts] >> No. Okay. I know. Oh, okay. >> Okay. >> You're giving the police discount. $15. >> Sorry. >> He's got good food. The food's good. So,

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[laughter] >> basically what I just explained was that uh the radio is a separate fee. If he wants and if the commission decides to approve it, they the commission can approve with the condition that he pays that separate fee for the radio and the

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TV. And he agreed to do that. Okay. >> Okay. Thank you. >> I don't I just don't want you to have to come back. >> I know. Thank you very much. >> If we can fix it today for you. Yeah. >> Just one thing the other We would still need the uh information of who we could contact there at any time because uh if

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we get [clears throat] like an alarm call or a breakin or something there. We're going to need to know who to contact and we'd like to give that information to our dispatch. >> Okay. >> You want my phone number? this way. >> Okay.

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>> I'm telling him to give his information, his contact information to the police after this. >> Perfect. That sounds fantastic. Is there anyone from the public that would like to speak on this matter? Seeing no one. Um, fellow commissioners,

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since it sounds like they they do need to have um the ability to have a radio playing as well, um, would somebody like to make a motion approving um

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this new entertainment license with the addition pending payment to the city? >> Yeah. So, a motion to approve um a new addition with the RA currently and then with the radio

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pending the $150 licensing payments. >> I second. >> All in favor? >> I >> thank you very much. >> Um and best of luck. >> Sounds like a great new place to go try. It's right by

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>> Next on our agenda, um we have the next two items on the agenda are for the same establishment. >> Um >> fellow commissioners,

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>> hi. Do you um so the the next two items on the agenda >> the change of management >> are both for the same the disciplinary and the change of manager. Do you want to do them in this order or would you like to do the disciplinary hearing first?

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>> The change of manager that's easy. >> Are you saying that the disciplinary might change how you think about the change of management? >> Um well the >> they both intersect. >> One of the one of the violations is the ambiguity around the manager. That was

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one of the discipline matters and it ties into the other. So I mean they both are inter >> interconnected. >> Maybe we deal with the disciplinary one first. >> Yeah. >> Because that's the harder one to deal with. >> Okay. Um so

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um we'll take that out of order then and we'll go with the continued disciplinary public hearing as to the non-compliance with the amusement and entertainment license as to the rules and regulations number 2.11C of the city of Chelsea licensing commission in regards to

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police report number 26-010009 to Axe Entertainment Incorporated DBA to restaurant and lounge at 73 Wmit Street, Chelsea, Mass. Hello. >> Hello. Good evening, Madame Chair and uh members of the commission. Mark White,

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Forex Entertainment, Inc. >> Uh thank you for coming before us this evening. Um so this has been continuing for a couple of months now. Um, and I believe, and I I

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will uh rely on our city and our police department to correct me if I'm wrong, that the way we left this at our last meeting was that um it was it was two things. Um there was the fact that we still did not have um a an approved

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acting manager on site and the um request for the hard drives that uh the lency had stated had been damaged and were unreoverable >> coincidentally.

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>> So that was our la the way we left it at the last meeting. Correct. Every was everybody here last time? >> Yes. >> Wonderful. I don't know if you're here. >> Okay. So, uh what new information do we have today?

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>> So, they weren't able to provide us with the hard drives that we requested. Um sorry, they weren't able to provide us with the hard drives. Hard drives that were requested. Uh these was it said that they were what? Destroyed. >> Yes. So, I I believe Jean tried to have it

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recovered. Um but according to his the company that he brought it to, the IT department couldn't recover it. They they just couldn't do it. >> Yeah, we had all that last time. >> So, that was he was supposed to hand over the hard drives to the police department within 48 hours. Did that happen?

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>> No. >> Did they tell you within 48 hours that they did not? >> Yeah, he did. He he reached out to me and talked with me. He's like, I can't get it. >> So, that's all right. Okay. >> Do we know what happened to those hard drives? >> Uh, yes, Madam uh, chair. So, I I did uh

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meet with the uh owner of the computer repair shop that uh, Mr. Mashado brought the hard drives to. I took an affidavit and and made six copies. Um, I wanted him to be here tonight, but he wasn't able to be here tonight. Um, but does

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seem like a leg, you know, definitely a legitimate person. indicated that the hard drives both were damaged beyond repair. They were not able to extract any information. I just want to give you guys these affidavit. >> I also did a followup

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>> on the cameras. >> I'm sorry, say that again. >> I also did a followup. Yes. To make sure his cameras were recorded. Uh they do. They're up to date. Um when I was there, he had an IT guy doing everything. He put I picked two random dates. I just picked them out of the blue and they

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were working. So, just to let everybody know that they do record 30 days >> now. >> And it's and it's 30 days because I believe he had stated in the past that he had >> I just asked for 30 days, but I think his hard drive that he has now they

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could do a little bit more >> but I don't know uh from there. >> Thanks. I also provide a copy of the individual's license as well as a print out from the Secretary of State's office. So, this company has been in

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existence at least since 2002. The one the one thing that I find a little interesting in said affidavit is when you're reading fromah

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he states it in uh bullet five where He says that um there's no signs of any physical outside damage and I would think if something had water damage. Um there would potentially be some signs.

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>> So when he explained it to me, I I you know what I took from it and the way I took it down was he was trying to communicate that he couldn't determine that it was intentionally done. You know, nobody hid it. Didn't look like it was dropped. Um and we know that it's an

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issue. You know, this is not the first time I've been before this board with someone who has an issue with video surveillance, which is really important. I mean, that's just a it's a problem. You know, if you read the regulations, it doesn't say, you know, except if this happens or accept if that happens, and

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we just have to have it. However, um this is an unfortunate situation on both sides of the coin. It's unfortunate if we're trying to look to this footage and say, "Hey, what you know, what was going on here?" And it's unfortunate if nothing was going on as well. So the purpose of just taking that down was to

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kind of give something to the to the board to show, you know, the the respondent in this case made a good faith effort to have it repaired. Um, I think that in the context of how many times he's

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been up here since the beginning of the year, right, he he's it puts the establishment in a tough position because it seems like they keep coming up over and over. Now, you know, we went over the agendas and

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the videos. >> It doesn't seem he is here every month >> without question. However, if I go over the agendas, they're stemming from initially these noise complaints, right? >> So, we have a noise complaint that's continued to another noise complaint,

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right? Now, the noise complaint becomes a little bit of a Pandora's box, but these initial two or three occasions were up on a noise complaint that actually turns out to be just from one person, just from one neighbor. Okay? So that doesn't mean um you know there was

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no reason to to be here. Of course I wouldn't say that. But part of the I would think at least from what I could read especially from the last hearing part of the exhaustion is why are you up here every month? You

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know you you you're starting to really look like a bad actor. And the only context I wanted to give that was we did have at least a couple of those [clears throat] instances that were noise complaints that were ultimately determined by the police department from

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the street level to be unfounded. >> Yeah, we were very clear with him when he got the license that we were his least concerned. His neighbor was going to be way harder on him that we would ever be on noise complaints. And so that was very clear from the jump. So I don't

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think we all understood that. There's no bias for us on that. >> Initially, we were all very supportive. >> Yeah. >> So, if if you were to look at those initial meetings when it was those noise complaints, we were very supportive. All the work that is being done,

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>> very supportive of that. That what we have not been supportive of is a club in the basement. um and um making sure that that's not happening and telling us it's a family restaurant and

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having it not be a family restaurant and having um the the DJs that are playing at those levels with the the dancing which we like to say we which we had said at a couple meetings back that we

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didn't necessarily want to find fault because we saw a 7-second clip because somebody in the establishment could have gone over and said, "You can't really do that here." So, we were trying to give the benefit of the doubt, and that's why we were looking for the video so we could say, "Look, you guys did the right thing and you

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stopped that." Um, and then we're being presented with footage of girls that are in highly inappropriate clothing for any establishment in our city. Um there's one thing of dressing in um shorter

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skirts, tighter tops. That's fine. But it should be something that you can move in and still maintain coverage of all private areas that are clearly labeled inside of the

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city rules and regulations that must be covered. Um and we we saw that um on at least one instance um that was not the case because if um those individuals that were working in those outfits moved

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um that they would have been exposed and then that would have been a clear violation. The the outfits barely passed because they just covered everything. >> Um which we did not find those pictures ourselves and send them to the police.

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someone else did that. This wasn't us trolling, right? So again, no bias here other than >> I would never accuse >> the opportunity to try to clarify was destroyed by the missing hard drives which was

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also a result of a missing jump drive which had been given to the police but then written over or destroyed. So it's it is not >> you know it is I can appreciate wanting to >> damage control and reccharacterize but

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it's not about a single incident about a noise complaint which were all placed in front of the commission as discussed. >> Um I think you are combining part of this with one of the other licenses. >> Oh no you're right. I'm sorry. No it's not a jump drive. I'm sorry. >> They didn't they didn't write over

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>> I apologize. Yeah. Yeah. Different wrong just like we don't need to hold somebody at fault for something. Forget the jump drive. Forget the reference to the jump drive. Um, but it but those were those were discussions and that was the commission trying to facilitate

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resolution between two private parties. So it it's but yes, he's been here a lot in a really short period of time. >> And I completely understand and I would never accuse this commission of bias. I'm just trying to put into context here. He has been here a lot. Just to

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me, to the naked eye, I watch the videos. I look at the agenda, I saw the picture, right? And you know, it kind of just pops out at you. You go, whoa. Okay, that being said, these are a couple of social media

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clips, and I understand we want the footage to be able to prove or disprove whether this is an ongoing condition in the establishment. Um, for me the issue is the video

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surveillance. That's if it, again, I'm I'm not the factfinder here. My argument is this is the problem. The problem, one problem we have is that the other items are to a degree speculative. >> Um, and uh, and I I don't think there is a

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counterargument to the video surve I don't think for anyone in this this city. You know, you have to have it. That's the [clears throat] bottom line. It's pretty much a strict liability thing. You have to have the video surveillance. >> We also admitted that he had non-functioning video equipment. So I mean stated in front of us that I mean it's a fact. >> That's correct. And we didn't have the

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hard drives. They were damaged. The circumstances leading to it are >> well are that they are with >> but he had a non-functioning video surveillance system and he should have been more aware of it. >> Correct. He should have been more aware of it >> and he wasn't. So we've got three violations that are before the commission right now. One of which has

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already been admitted to. How do you want to address the other two? >> Well, what are the other two? I mean, we have a 7-second >> patron dancing. You've read the agenda, right? Correct. Said, so you know what the allegations are. How do you respond? >> Well, I think at one of the last

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hearings and I don't know if this was final, but there was a motion for a stern warning on the dancing and I believe it was seconded. I don't know how the board I I I didn't see that portion of the video. I knew I do know the chairperson opposed it.

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Now is the next charge regarding the attire. >> It was the individuals functioning as manager without prior approval because >> so also at the last hearing that was brought up. Uh the owner's daughter who was serving as manager

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>> is pregnant. So >> not the daughter. >> Yes. >> Well, >> yeah, that's been that's the the daughter has been apparently the manager for you know the the duration. last meeting it was someone [clears throat] who had started but then wasn't approved

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and then there was sort of a back backpedaling about when he started. >> He's correct in that. So, so my understanding was the one of the advisories at the last hearing was there is a certain grace period to be without

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or to have not submitted for a new manager and we needed to get that application in for this hearing >> which we did. >> That is correct. But I will say that it has been an ongoing statement during all

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of these meetings that we have been having. I believe officer Santiago, you may be best um on this one. I believe that there has been continued conversation that the ma the manager who is currently on record has

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not been there well prior to it being addressed last month and it has been an ongoing thing that has been stated due to health reasons or pregnancy um which obviously we wish her the best of luck. We don't

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>> want anything that way, but >> it's my understanding that um she hasn't really been managing it since they opened. >> I can >> Yes. >> So, within since the first of the year, I

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think I've only met Maria once. I've just been dealing with Jean back and forth. Jean's been heavily involved on everything that's going on between from the noise complaints from the video clips that we get from the dancing to

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you name it. Uh but now I guess we're here I guess the other day when I spoke with him and we went over the video surveillance and stuff to make sure they work. He introduced me to uh the new managers that going to be coming on. I believe I did their background checks

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that'll probably be in the next year. So, we're going to be in a new midst of a new management. Jean told me that he's stepping down. He's taking 10%. He does. I don't think he wants to deal with this anymore. He's going to pass the baton to someone else. But since it's been open,

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it's been Jean. Any questions I had? It's been Jean. I haven't seen Maria since the first time I we met her here. Here. This is before the new year. That's the last time we seen her.

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Well, I I can't speak to that. I mean, this would be the first that I would hear that this was an issue. I don't think it was brought up before as a charge. It was not. >> I can say this as it relates again, >> I could be wrong. >> It was I believe it was moved to

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>> Can I speak on this? >> I believe it was moved to this meeting for possible discipline from the manager. >> Yes, it was. And the reason for that is because there were prior meetings that it was said that she wasn't there and he was told numerous times to bring to our

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attention a new manager and he failed to do that. >> Right. >> And at the last meeting we we definitely stated that you want to make sure you get that done because we can't keep playing that and pushing it out. and a a

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new individual's name was stated at that last meeting. >> Um and that was when everybody kind of chimed in to please make sure you get that paperwork in. Um but we did state that it would get moved to a disciplinary matter because this has

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been an ongoing um >> thing lack of the manager on file being >> in the establishment. >> Okay. Well, well, to that end, this is what I would say. One, I certainly I

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would appreciate being afforded some time to to look into that. Perhaps we could continue that matter regarding the historical um potential absence of the named manager at the July hearing if if you

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would entertain that. as it relates to the manager. Now, we have um submitted an application for new manager. The new manager is here tonight. Um and that would be, you know, one of the next items on the agenda, which I'll speak to at that point. So, um I hope I've

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answered the question, council, as to the three charges. To your if not to your satisfaction, I certainly could. >> There were definitely responses. Yes, you definitely responded. Thank you. I mean, so I think what's at hand, so like the dancing, the whole problem was there

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wasn't enough footage. So we need the footage, which mysteriously, I mean, not mysteriously, it's gone. So we don't have any data to like make a decision on the dancing. That's my sort of take on it. >> So I don't know what to do with that. And then what are the other two?

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>> The the dancing the dancing issue was >> continued pending, >> right? The video, which we don't have >> video in order to either corroborate right? >> Or eliminate that as a violation.

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>> So that's why it's been dragged along until tonight. >> And I think we gave a we gave a stern warning on the attire. >> Um because the attire hadn't been presented to us ahead of time. Um so we couldn't do it as a disciplinary matter.

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And again, it's a picture uh but obviously it's a picture that is being used promotionally. Um so we gave a stern warning that that attire is completely unacceptable and um Mr.

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Mashado had agreed with us and and said that he wouldn't he would make sure that that didn't happen. Um, so that we definitely gave a stern warning for the dancing. We had stated, and I can't remember which one of you stated it, but one of you made the statement, "We're not going to hold them accountable for 7

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seconds worth of video." And that was when we asked our police department to pull from a random date so we could see, is this something that is taking place there on an ongoing basis. Um and

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>> and then at the last meeting or I forget I'm losing track of meetings. He he basically admitted that he had a non-functioning video surveillance system had taken steps to remediate right. So there's a per se violation

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remediation for consideration by the commission. Um, and the ongoing issue of who is managing and you've got a name manager, but this person is not appearing on a regular basis at the establishment.

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>> Who is the manager? And even before I got involved was a historical, you know, question that seemed to be on the part of the commission. So, the commission at the last hearing moved it forward for a possible disciplinary hearing tonight.

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>> I understand. And I do want to just add something. Now, this has been something that that Mr. Mashado has again outside of the walls of this uh this room has been attempting to address for some time now. Again, I can't speak to Ashley and

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her presence there. Okay. I do know that, you know, moving this um into new ownership is something we've worked on for some time. We had to negotiate that with the landlord as well. It took longer than than we thought it would and it would have been something that would

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have been brought before the board months ago had we had a little more uh agreement with you know the the current land owner. Now we have that and this is why we're in front of the board as well today. So it wasn't for lack of attention and again um can't speak to

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Ashley but from what I can hear from what uh officer Santiago said Gan has been available. Okay. I also don't know I don't believe that there have been other incidents at this location due to

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and again this is you know I understand that what we're talking about so I don't want to bring other things in say well we're good here so you know over here forgive us but there aren't other incidents that that I can see that are would be illustrative of a place that wasn't being supervised I mean over

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service I have I don't believe has been out there service of minors there haven't been fights there haven't been you know police called to to the to the premises because there was violence. We do have the social media clips which show something that potentially is a not

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permitted non-permitted activity. You know, there's no dance floor, but again, it's 7 seconds. I I actually haven't seen that particular clip. And we do have, you know, the other unfortunate clip out there that's, [sighs and gasps] you know, not the type of clothes we're

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going to wear. >> No, we're not looking for that here. Uh, Captain Fardon. >> Yeah. The only other thing, um, I still haven't got an exact answer as to where exactly those hard drives went. I know we requested them, he was going to give them to us, and then we just didn't, he wasn't able to provide them because we

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were looking to get the hard drives ourselves to see if we could forensically recover something. >> So, my understanding is they were destroyed after >> But why would they destroy them? Who destroyed them? >> Who destroyed them? >> I think that again, I can bring Gan up to speak to that, but my understanding

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is after Mr. Moda, whose affidavit was supplied tonight, said there's nothing you can do with these. You know, basically these are junk. Throw them out. I mean, there's there's no way to extract this information. >> Here's my question. When did you get this >> the affidavit? Well, I just took it

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like last week. >> So, um, you just said that after this was when they got rid of that. Well, the affidavit speaks to his in like, you know, I mean, that speaks historically to when he saw the hard drives and

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everything. It it wasn't the determination they made last week. It was his recounting of the events to me. I I hopefully I have the dates in there. >> Um the >> the the invoice that we received was also dated the same day as the hearing. I don't know whether that's relevant to

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the commission or not. The invoice that was provided with regard to the inspection. >> Yes. I and I believe I remember correctly, Mr. Mashado said that he hadn't had a receipt from them. So, he had reached out to them the day of the

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meeting to [snorts] request something to be able to present, if I remember. >> Yeah. >> Correctly. Um because it was it was a Z invoice dated the day of our meeting um regarding the inability to extract the

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data. Um, so did the let's make this a really easy question. Did um the computer place destroy the footage or not the footage destroy the

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hard drives or were the hard drives given back to the lency from the computer place and then the eee got rid of them prior to our meeting. >> So I could not answer that question. I I

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don't have that information. The amount amount I mean I certainly ask. Okay. Okay. I mean, Gene is here, so he could come up and and speak to that. My my understanding though as to what's behind them getting thrown out is the computer guy says, "Look,

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it's junk." Now, in retrospect, oh yeah, you know, give the police department the junk then and let them I mean, there's that's a no-brainer. But that didn't happen. >> But so here here's here's the problem with this because I agree. something's

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broken, you probably throw it away. If I had something that was broken and I brought it to a place and I said, "Can you help me with this?" And they try and they can't do it. They're likely going to say, "Do you want it or do you want us to to dispose of it?" You're going to make a decision

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there. And then if you take it, you're probably going to get rid of it yourself. At our meeting last time, there was no known knowledge of where those hard drives were. And the way that it was left at our last

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meeting was that the police department needed to either be given the hard drives or be told what happened to them. So, being said that they're unavailable because they were gotten rid of isn't

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really telling us what happened to them. So that was supposed to have been told to the police department within 48 hours. So it's a little questionable because if I I would have just said at that meeting

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I'm like we we threw them out because they didn't have anything and that wasn't the answer. Do you do you understand the >> I totally understand and I probably would have [snorts] given a better answer. uh or or you know if I were at the last hearing um which I

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think was you know a tough hearing um and um you know I mean whether or not this is a reasonable excuse or not I I think the hearing you know sometimes a person is standing in front of an

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authority figure and really um can't get it right you know and looking at the last hearing things just really didn't go right from from this position, you know, and I think um

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[sighs and gasps] the way the way the the position was presented probably was frustrating for the board. Um but I'm here today and I know that the video surveillance issue is a problem and so

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does the the business. It should have been handled differently. It should have always been functioning and should have been reviewed. Every business owner in Chelsea that serving alcohol or or or really engaging with the public has to

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be vigilant. Um, and this isn't meant to to diminish the problem, but it is a common problem. people are commonly negligent of that and have to be better about it and this is the truth with this

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particular business as well. Now I believe they have remediated it. That doesn't erase the fact that that happened or that they mishandled um they they mishandled the um the hard

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drives, you know, no question they did take it to someone. I know they didn't do exactly what they were supposed to do. I don't even want to use that word like exactly like again like I don't want to diminish it. Uh I would have handled it totally differently and we'd be in a position where the police

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department could say either we got it and there was no dancing or there was dancing or we got it and it really was broken and we couldn't get anything. Instead, there's a lot of feeling of uh

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circumstance and a feeling of distrust because of a convenient disappearance of hard drives. >> Good question. Sorry. You you've heard the commission now ask I'm going to say average maybe four or five times just tonight. What happened to the disc? >> Can we can find out?

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>> Sure. Why not? >> I just got to know because like it's just >> and then can we move on a decision? I don't want to spend all night here talking about this restaurant. >> Jean, come on, please. >> Jean Mashado for X Entertainment. So,

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what happened when um Mario, the owner of Summerville Computers, uh told us that the hard drives were bad. I send an employee there. So, I don't really do these things. I send an employee there. He pick up and he's the guy who handles pretty much all my u technology. He does

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all of this really. and he dumped with other other things. So at the last meeting when I was asked I didn't know if I had the hard drive that's why I had I could not answer and the next day I called wheelie said okay I need the hard drive I need to answer uh officer

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Santiago and Sergeant Cho and um he said Jeene I'm going to look for it and then he looked for it and said I probably dumped it of the with the last things we dumped. So we have a mortgage company with several computers a lot of things and he handles all of that. So that's

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the answer. >> Thank you. Mystery solved. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Okay. So >> um anything further from the police department? >> This question is more for what's the

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occupancy there? And it's maybe a two-part question. restaurant upstairs, lounge downstairs. How many can they have downstairs? >> It's a hierarchy. I don't remember. Go downstairs and find it though.

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>> So, I guess I guess my question is what safety? What number is safety down there? 100 people >> cuz it's close. 90. I can go downstairs right now. >> I know it holds, but we're talking about safety. We're not talking about what it holds. I'm just walking. >> Whatever Whatever's on the August permit

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is is is safe. All you can have this is okay >> redone in 2019. >> Not an old building like a lot of these ones from the turn of the century. This is this is a fairly new >> uh place of assembly was checked for everything. Fire department engineer my

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department electric I know we did ours too. That's it's always it's just been >> I want to say something like 100 upstairs and 90 downstairs 100 upstairs 70 down something like that. >> Crazy. All right. Thank you. Uh, anything else from the city before I

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open it to the public before we move it? >> No, not really. >> Is there anyone from the public that would like to speak on this matter? >> Seeing no one, is there anything else that you would like to state before we move it uh to a vote on disciplinary?

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>> Not for now, Madam Chair. >> Thank you. >> I still have one question that never really got answered last time. the timeline between Jean finding out that the that the equipment was was damaged and his phone call to the police. >> We really never got we really I never

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understood what the true answer was. >> Yeah, I can bring Jean back up. I I was I was watching that in one of the uh previous hearings and it did seem like >> that we were presented with a letter at the last meeting that had stated uh that he had reached out to officer

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Santiago. Uh the dates were a week after our meeting. Um and they had attempted to meet and officer Santiago was not available at that time. Um and >> he was on vacation. Someone else could have. >> Right. I know that screwed it up but not

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not when they were supposed to meet but when he found out and then when he contacted when he tried to call Santiago >> and and so based upon the letter that Mr. Mashado provided at that last meeting, the dates that he was giving us, it was a week after our meeting. um

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which also doesn't follow >> right but not not when he he was set up the meeting but when he found out that the camera didn't work >> so uh officer Sanch can confirm as soon as I found out I called him was on a

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Sunday and uh then we tried to communicate he said I I I'm not available uh we were supposed to get together I think on Friday I don't have the dates, but I know the dates of the days of the week. We're supposed to get together on a Friday based on my text

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message with him. >> The next Friday after that >> on that Friday. Yeah. And then I said, "Okay, let's meet there and I'll have Willie the guy who does the technology for me to extract the videos." So, it was Friday. We were scheduled to meet and do all together. He was going to meet me there and Willie was going to

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get the videos for him. And then he couldn't come, but Willie went Willie went there to to save [clears throat] the videos on a thumb drive. And that's when we found out. So when Willie went to get the videos, he said, "Hey Gene, I can't do it." I got somebody with more

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expertise than Willie, which is Flavio. The same day that Willie said, "I can't do it." I called somebody who knows more about cameras than my guy because my guy is more a general guy. He's not a specialist in cameras. So we called the specialist. The guy said, "Okay, I can't do it either. There's a damage here."

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And then when we we we found out that we that I had messed up with the hard drives on the floor of the whole system on the floor and then the whole thing started that was the weekend contacted Santiago u and then during that week we

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found we got together so Friday we're supposed to get together to get the videos >> when did you find out it was broken >> on that Friday >> Friday and when >> yeah on that Friday so we said okay let's let's meet tomorrow and I'll get the videos for you that was kind of the conversation and he couldn't make it but

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really went anyways to get the videos for us and then when we found out the videos were a problem I started say hey I need to see you I have a problem here and that's when we >> the next day the same day two days >> same >> the next day the same day two days when did you call >> same same day >> same day

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>> same same day the day that we found out there was a problem that Friday I already sent a text message I have a problem he he >> so I remember him calling me and telling me hey I got to talk to you um I got I got I really really got to talk to you I got something going on with my cameras.

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So, I said, "Okay." I said, "I'm not available. I had a personal matter. I had to deal with my family." Um, I said, "I'm not available at all." Uh, but then he said, "Okay, I'm going to go and, you know, see what I can do and try to fix the video and try to get the video for you guys." That's it.

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>> I have a question for the Chelsea police. During that last meeting that he came in front of us, did you guys had any calls about complaining about something? >> No. I mean, since since the last time,

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no. Uh, it's been knock on wood. It's been quiet. It's always been quiet. I mean, except for the the little noise complaints, which they're in compliance because Sergeant Chun could testify herself. She went to one of the calls as well. Sergeant McCarthy wrote an email

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about it uh to everyone in the police department that this was on the radar for noise complaints around the surrounding neighbors. It's not the surrounding neighbors, it's the neighbors from the building. >> Yeah, >> it that was that's been the issue from from >> every restaurant. Yeah.

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>> As for us, I mean, I've gone there plenty of times at night. I don't hear anything. I don't I mean, he's got like I said, he spent a lot of money into this restaurant and downstairs. Uh, I just wish we were here for something else instead of other things. But, uh,

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there hasn't been nothing, not even parking complaints. And that used to be one of the biggest problems that some of the customers used to park in people's driveways or uh, park in Frank's parking lot and stuff, which I believe Jean's got an agreement with him as well. So,

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he dotted his eyes and crossed his tees on a lot of stuff. >> But, >> you know, the other things it's out of our control. >> No. And and I I think that as a board we appreciated the amount of effort that was being put forth to try to help >> deal with those noise complaints from

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the people that are in that building. Um but we had established as well that that isn't necessarily an issue with the city because it's within the building and it's not going outside of that. Um so

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unless we were having a wider spread issue um but we really appreciated the fact that yeah he he was taking it very seriously and obviously it's a large investment to to try to maintain that. So I think we we have all been very

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supportive of that. Um and we have have tried repeatedly to give the benefit of the doubt on things. Um, and that's where I think this the lack of video surveillance um just really kind of hurts because we've been trying to say

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that we want to give the benefit of the doubt and not being able to do that um I think is a little frustrating. [snorts] >> I have a question or a comment just so we could stay on agenda. On our agenda 2.11c

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is that related to the dancing Yes. >> Yes. >> Okay. And then in last meeting it says there's a potential violation of 203. Is that regarding of the change of management or the video camera >> manager?

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>> So in any point did we discuss about the violation of the lack of video cameras >> last meeting? >> Yes. >> The last meeting. Okay. So I just want to make sure. So if we were to make a decision, it was to a talk about the

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dancing, b the change of management, and c uh the lack of video surveillance. >> So there's there are three things >> just want to make sure >> the the three things that we have to decide. Do we find them at fault in >> so the video surveillance we've all agreed they did not have an operating

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video surveillance system. Um so we we can all I believe agree that we that uh they're um in violation of having [snorts] an active working video surveillance. >> And to be clear, it looks like it hasn't been functioning since the request in

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February up to May. >> We don't know when >> you didn't know it wasn't working. >> All right. But not within 30 days from my request. >> Rephrase your >> They went to check it. It didn't work. That's what happened. At the last meeting, he indicated, I

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believe, that he had remediated and gotten a new video system, >> but I think it was unclear >> for how long it was nonoperational. >> Okay. >> So, he wasn't asked to look at it. >> You can correct that if I'm wrong >> until >> Yeah, we don't know. I mean, we we don't know. So, but we we know at a minimum we

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know that we couldn't get those 30 days back. Now, if I'm not mistaken, they are currently functioning. Correct. We can go back 30 days. And I don't know if we have looked at the 30 days, but if we have, I hope there's no dancing. >> So, I believe it was two meetings ago

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that we had requested the video surveillance. >> Okay. >> And so, it was after that meeting that it was discovered that the video surveillance system was not working. We don't know how long it wasn't working prior. And that is where the video surveillance

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came into play. >> All right. So, we have three things to decide today. >> Correct. Okay. Gotcha. Um so and so there's three things and then there's whether um or not there are is any disciplinary attached with those three findings. So um to keep things moving I

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believe we are all in agreement um that the video surveillance system was not operational. Um so that is one >> um which is corrected now which is great but it was not working um and we were

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unable to get the footage that we need. >> Um and um the police department didn't really get that clear answer that we asked for at the last meeting within a 48 hour time

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frame. Um then the second item is the dancing which um I'm open to your folks thoughts. >> Thought we closed that out three months ago. We said we gave him a stern warning. >> Um >> no.

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>> Yeah, it was. Yeah, for sure. >> So we gave the stir warning on the clothing, not the >> It was the clothing. Why else would we Why else would I believe the video call was for the dancing? >> We kept it open. That's why it's still on the agenda. >> Whereas whereas the clothing was the

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stern warning. >> We said don't do the dancing, but that was why we asked for that video surveillance. But but again, I am not inclined personally to find them in violation of dancing for that video clip.

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>> I I agree. I think because we did try to give them the benefit of the doubt asking for the video, we we could close it at this point, you know, for that one particular violation. >> Is it a vi so is it a violation and if

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or not? And if it is a violation, is there any punishment attached to it? That's what you have to do for the three items. So I'm I'm personally saying that I don't I don't feel that we can say that they are in violation on the dancing based upon what was presented to

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us. >> Correct. >> I agree. >> I agree. >> Thoughts from the other two who are quiet right now. >> We already we already went over and I agree. We agreed three months. >> Any of you agree? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> So we >> that was for the close.

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>> We all agree that um we do not find them in violation of dancing. >> There's insufficient evidence of that. >> Um, we find them in violation of not having an operating video surveillance system. >> Correct. >> Everyone,

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>> I agree. >> Yeah, >> Mike. >> The thing is, if they knew about it and they're in violation. If they didn't know about it, I don't know. >> They're still in violation because you're supposed to know that your system is operating. >> I don't know how often. How often are

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you supposed to check it? As I've stated at the recent meetings, that should be part of the manager's daily checking your cameras, part of your opening and side work. >> If that's the rule, that's the rule. I just >> you have to have an operational. It's

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not if you notice. >> Wait, we've been having issues with cameras. We need to be a little bit stirred with the cameras at this point. The problem is if you don't know it's working and >> but you're supposed to you are supposed to as a lency make sure your cameras are operational and are recording and maintaining footage.

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>> If if that's the rule that's the rule that's what our rules say threshold is. It doesn't say exactly what the threshold is. Is it is it check it every month? We really should make that clear every day. >> The rules say that it's supposed to be operational. So, you are supposed to make sure it's operational, not wait

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until there's a problem and we ask for it and you find out it's not. >> I agree with that. >> So, just like unlocking your door and turning on your lights, you should go over and check your videos and make sure it's working >> every single day, every week, every day. >> Do you open up your establishment every

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single day and turn on your lights and make sure your TVs work and your radios work? >> Yes. >> Rule same thing. We should agree that they it was a lack of functioning cameras and they did not submit footage upon request.

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>> Can we move on? >> Any your thought on the video? >> Well, there's a lot of establishment that have been in front of us. They have been the same problem and we had we haven't

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really punished them really hard. So the question right now is do we find them in violation >> of not having an operating video surveillance system. That's the first part that's before whether or not

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we're going to discipline. >> Yeah, I agree with that. Uh that they're in violation in that they should present them when it was asked for it. >> So we have an agreement that the video surveillance system was found in violation. And the third item is not

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having um the manager of record. Um can you can you state the >> question? It was a question that the commission had with regard to an IND a named individual

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functioning as a manager without prior commission approval without a Corey and going through that process. That was the issue as of the last year. So, so I did see that video. >> Mhm.

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>> And again, I do think that sometimes the my client's answer is answering using the term manager outside of the legal, you know, our legal definition of manager, like manager of record for a license. You know, he's speaking like

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employees. Um, that's how I gauged it. So, I saw it and I went, you know, it looks like he's announcing a new manager. And of course, the boys say, "What do you mean new manager?" because in again within these four walls we think of manager and we think of the person written on the license. Um so I I again I I can look at

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the the video again but that was my gauge on it. It wasn't as if he was presenting a new manager without a Corey and just making that decision on his own and had replaced his daughter. And again the question as to um how much time she's been there I I can't answer at

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this time. The only thing I can say is again outside of noise complaints and these these social media reels and of course the video surveillance issue there hasn't been this establishment doesn't look like it's not being

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supervised. In fact, based on what I heard tonight, it looks like some of the the characteristics of the establishment are actually in better condition than they have under previous um you know, under previous owners or whatever. >> I actually highlighted in the in the

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minutes um and and correct me if I'm wrong. So, he stated um sorry um >> Mr. Mashado, >> thank you, M. saying that the new manager will start Monday the 18th. The meeting was the

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14th. So, he hasn't really made an official announcement that there was going to be a change of manager yet. And then it looked like under the adisement of the commission to make sure you you know you submit the application before

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our next meeting. So, with that being said, what was said on the last meeting, I don't think they were in violation. I think they were planning to do it and now that's why they're here today. So I would say no, they're not in violation of that two uh whatever two.03

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3 >> others >> same thing speculation I think he said that he he was negotiating hiring the guy was working there I don't know if he misspoke and said that he was manager I don't it wasn't very clear at the time to me >> yeah I agree with Alex I think to me the

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clearest thing is the video violation of the video >> I have a question >> yes >> so who's in charge because every time I've gone down there who's in charge It's just been the girls sitting at the table with other guys

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doing their job. Who's in charge? >> Cuz she's not there as she's never been there. Who's in charge? That question should go to Jean first. Who's in charge? Who's running it? >> There is no manager at all to this day. Still, I know he's got somebody coming.

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He told him they had somebody coming. >> Who's running it? He's not there either. I I again I I don't want to speak out of term but I guess the question again this is something that I have to look into in terms of how much time spending. I know that you're a very busy person. I

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wouldn't imagine that you're at the restaurant all the time and I don't know exactly what hours you're there. >> Right. >> Um >> I'm more than happy to address this. Yes. >> Uh at a at a future hearing. Again, we have another matter on the agenda. I'm actually going to ask for a portion of

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that to be postponed to the July hearing anyway. I want to just introduce the new manager today because I do have to make an amendment to that change or that issuance of stock um application. Um so I'll be back happily to be honest with

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you in July. Um and I can I can I can delve into that further. But again, I would say, you know, it's, you know, I I don't I don't know how much evidence is that nobody's there when, you know, >> here's the thing. Only person I spoke to

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ever out of that whole place, it has been Jean back and forth. I don't know who was the manager. I know it was his daughter, but every time I've gone down there to do an inspection, pop up on him, check on the security, security, I've seen it once. And might think who's

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when he's not there who's and again you're going to find out my question is who's running the place >> who because upstairs is kind of empty downstairs is where everyone goes to either have a little snack or have the

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drinks watch the TV listen to the DJ whatever the case is in charge when he's not there and Ashley's not there because they're not on paper >> well I I mean and again it's more something I'm more than happy to address. I would say this though, I I would

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>> caution to mistake Jean's hands-on approach, which is extremely hands-on, >> as evidence that there's just no one else. I mean, Gan is, as you can see, >> I'm saying is he's not there at night time. I've been there plenty of times with other officers, and I could probably provide body cam.

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There is no manager on site. What does the rule say? We need to have who on site at all times? He cannot be there 24 hours, seven days a week. He's got other things that he's doing. My question is, so just to make sure that who's in charge, there's no one in charge.

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>> The only thing I can say to that in is is >> I I don't know that that we're brought up here today on that. You know, if we were brought up here today on an accusation that there's never any manager there, that could have been brought up. But right now, >> the question is there's no violation. There is the violation. There's no one

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there. >> But what but >> there's no one there. So, who's who's Kuho Fernando? Because he's listed here on the minutes. >> It says here, second new manager. >> Does it? >> This is on the last >> reading from the minutes.

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>> I mean, what what what what I the person I have here today, I believe, is actually his daughter who they used to run, if I'm not mistaken, is it Antonia's on the beach? >> Um, and she'll be up here in a minute. So,

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look, again, watching the minutes from the last meeting and the way that that kind of I don't want to I mean, it just kind of the the meeting got a little bit heated, let's say. Um, I don't know. I mean, Fernando, I know that that you know, he has relation to the, you know,

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he's he's the manager's father and they ran Antonio's on the Beach together. Um, but but he's not the person that we're presenting today. And I do think you'll be happy with the person that we're presenting today. >> So >> you're not going to get the answer you I mean

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>> so Ashley's on the liquor license. Is that because she's the manager >> currently? Yeah. They're applying for a change of manager. >> Okay. >> So I think we need to deal with the and I hear you offensiago and I think that's a different conversation. We should have that about the management and the change of management and what that means.

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>> Yeah. >> Um but I think we also have to deal with what are the violations we're dealing with today and ruling on and then they're going to talk about a change of manager and I think the question Do we even like decide on that today or do they have to like bring back more data? >> So at at this time

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you would like to continue the conversation on a potential violation of change in manager. >> Well, I think you're going to talk about you want to postpone some of this anyways till next month. >> Yeah. I mean it would be it would put me in a position to to gather more information. >> Yeah. >> You know, otherwise I'm I'm just kind of

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spitballing and I don't think that does anybody any justice. So then that's going to be undecided and we need to push it. >> So are we pushing the whole disciplinary matter or >> No, I think we can decide. I think we're pretty clear on some of the disciplinary. I think the management thing we I don't think we have enough

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information to make a decision on. >> Okay. So um would anybody like to um put their thoughts as to what sort of disciplinary matter um or um

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what sort of disciplinary action um you feel we should do for the um video surveillance system >> if we refer to our >> our um >> you have to I'm sorry I apologize for interrupting I think you have to take a

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vote is there a violation >> yes >> then discipline >> okay >> if any >> um so we we did do this without it being an official vote Um but um >> so shall I make a motion for a violation

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of video camera? >> Yes, >> I second. >> All in favor? >> I >> I >> Okay, so we have now voted and and agreed that they are in violation of their video camera. If we refer to the

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new progressive disciplinary plan that we put in place, um, a violation of the cameras or submitting the footage, um, falls underneath a significant violation, which is a number three, with

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a possible suspension of up to five days. Now, remember that as a board, um, we are using this as a guide. Yeah. Um so if you feel less or more um that is certainly um something that we can look

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at based upon the mitigating factors. Um but that is our ruling that we all sat and spent months going over um as to what violations should be. So with that, what do my fellow

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commissioners propose for discipline? Do we agree that he got it up on time quickly? Yes. No. After he what he and we do do we agree that he contacted police? Those are the two mit the only two that I can pick up.

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>> So I I do think that um the um response was quick to get it rectified and and yeah uh notify the police. So those are um

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definitely positives in terms of um weighing the disciplinary matter. Um but the um

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failure to provide those hard drives to follow up with what happened to those hard drives within the 48 hours that was instructed at that last meeting. I think those also go against >> u the situation [snorts]

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>> which then we couldn't there are other violations that we can't rule on because the footage was lost. So >> thoughts >> if I could uh >> I'm sure you have thoughts. >> I I go ahead. I always have. Well, we we

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we took a look at the, you know, minutes historically because we knew this was a problem. Um, and you know what we've seen this board do over the past couple years a couple times that we've had these video issues is a two-day suspension

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with a six-month obeyance for, you know, basically probationary period and then it would be um removed if they're if they're compliant over that period of time. So, we'd ask for something similar to that. Um and my and I I agree um looking at

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some of what we have done in the past, but we have also spent months putting together this progressive discipline plan. And uh we did this specifically because of all of these ongoing issues and making sure that um it was clear

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what fell into what bucket, if you will, um and what we feel needs to be done because things were continuing to happen regardless of the discipline, regardless of the disciplinary action we

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were putting out there. So we felt as a board that we need to be stricter and this is part of why we have established this and put this out there so we have a guide and we can make sure people understand how important these things

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are. So while yes that is what has been done in the past since that we have established this and um we have been working as a commission to make this clearer and hopefully prevent this in the future.

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>> Well I believe that Cheryl said she was going to send this to the licensings. Do they have a copy or access >> in her email? >> Alex is referencing whether or not Not

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the progressive discipline plan has been >> um distributed. >> I don't think so >> to ABC. >> No to the our licensing. >> We're lic >> that they all know this is like the

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framework that we make decisions so that they're aware. >> So that was distributed with um a recent notification that was sent out to um lies it was mailed out with them.

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>> So >> great. >> So there is some grace period because they they just start to receive this policy just to consider that. So the cameras are operational now.

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>> Yes. I think in six months we should check if they're still operating. So >> I think the police do that fairly recent. I've been with Officer Santiago. I don't know how often you go. I have gone with you. >> So I'll speak with the captain on this

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after this meeting. Um when we do it, we go random. We we go and we hit a certain area. We'll do four or five restaurants, bars, anything that you know what the captain wants to do on that. I've been to Jean's place so many times already.

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His cameras are working the last month. I I've checked and I caught him by Jean could tell you I go there again surprisingly in 8 n o'clock at night on a Thursday or on a Wednesday. Security's supposed to be where they're

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supposed to be. Cameras are running. Everyone's there. kind of crowded. The one thing again, not being a dead horse, there is no manager on site. I have a huge problem with that because when we get a call or if the captain sends us like, "Hey, we got a call here

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blah blah blah for a loud noise." We get there and we said, "Who's in charge?" And everybody looks at each other. >> I I am with you on that one, Officer Santiago. Um, but currently, just to keep kind of keep moving. >> Yeah. No, I'm just saying I'm just >> We need to just focus on >> the video. the video and what

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disciplinary action. What are you suggesting? What do you want to suggest? I >> I would like to hear a suggestion from one of my commissioners before I >> can I ask a question to Mr. Whites. Uh do you know how often he checks the cameras now that they're working? Every day, every two, three days.

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>> That's a good question for Gene. I don't know how often, but he can tell. Probably quite quite uh quite a bit. So we have so we have the technician uh Flavio going at least once a week now. He just went there today to be honest with you.

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So just because we are not so sure how the system is running and we want to make sure that it's operational and still functioning. The guy's coming and giving us some support on that >> and the cameras are are working and in a better better place than the last time you had it on the floor. That's one. Got

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it. >> Yeah, actually he identified. >> Yeah. So, Jane uh Jane actually improved his hard drive even more. He's got more room now. The cameras are better quality. He asked [snorts] he's always asking me calls me always ask me, "Hey, what about this? What about that?" So,

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yeah, he he's wants to add more cameras. So, it's it's running. It's fine. >> And we put it on a rack. So, it was on the floor. I actually I sent you the the picture. Yeah. I also told him you should be like I tell everybody else when you open your business and you close your business check your cameras.

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>> Yeah. So the cameras are you always see the cameras working just to answer what Mike asked before you can always see that the cameras are working but the problem was when we tried to save the videos they were there because so it's a different thing you can look at this the

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the screen and see that they're >> it's the storage >> that it's the storage that we that we don't have a protocol like you're saying you have a protocol to test the storage every week or so u we might need to add some technology to that so it's

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automatic. So I don't think anybody in the city has this just so we are clear on this to go back and check is the storage functioning because the cameras were always functioning the storage system was not and we may need to have some control system some technology that

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controls that. So just to clarify I apologize. All right. >> You can you can in a lot of these video systems, you can go and [clears throat] go do a playback of a prior day because I used to have to do that in the establishments that I ran. So something

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happened and you had to go and >> just look at the video and and see did like somebody entered that shouldn't have or somebody says that they stayed too late and so you can just go look as an owner or manager and you can see it yourself. um which

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establishments should know how to do um and be checking that. >> So they're functioning now. So my suggestion is to use the maximum of five days >> and within six months if they're not in front of us. So what's that called? The

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five days abatement. >> Aance. >> Avance. Sorry. >> So you want to get it right. >> I got it wrong. [laughter] >> You want to proposed uh a a five-day suspension held in obeyance

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>> with no further violations in the next 6 months. >> Yeah. Hopefully they're not here in six months. And then if they and just to make sure that this is clear that if they are found in violation of a future violation that 5day

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suspension would take effect in addition to any additional violations. >> Yeah. For the video cameras I think any said like this is everyone has issues with video cameras. It's serious. It really matters. It's safety. I have a I

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I have a a an app on my phone where I can see my videos of my house. Like it's not that hard. Technology is 2026. Like we can figure it out. And I think we need people to understand how serious we are about video cameras and it's about the safety of the city. So yeah, five days in in advance.

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>> You have six months probation on that. >> And those five days if they don't commit any >> then they go away in six months. >> Okay. Yeah. I think I agree with that too, >> Mike. >> Okay. Would anybody like to make an official motion on that?

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>> I make a motion if I get it right. I make make a motion um that their their discipline would be 5 days in suspension of their license in a band >> for six months. >> For six months.

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>> I second that. >> All in favor? >> I >> um so hopefully >> no issues. Um and um we can move forward from that. >> And madam chair just be clear that's on the video right so no issues with video

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for the next six month because you know we're going to be in front of you next month is it is not that that is no issues with video if there's other violations with the license. So just to just to be clear so I know

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what I'm confronting next month, right? >> We're going to come in front of the board next month >> for some speculation that we've had regarding management. >> Well, we're what would worry me is right, we did this obeyance today. We're already

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considering this and moving it and if you guys were to say, well, we think that there might have been something here that that's going to retroactively come back to this. So, I'd ask like that particular thing. And again, I'm confident that we're not going to have a problem, but if we did,

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you know, I I I don't want that problem to trigger this problem. >> Well, it's not an event in the future, right? So, we're kind of saying six months from now, don't have any problems for the next six months. But if we go a month out and we say you had a problem

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three months ago, that's If you're in if you're found in violation over the next six months or during the next six months to your point, yeah, it's a potential problem. >> Well, what would be the basis for that? Because this is supposed to again, if we're going to have somebody in obeyance, right? What we're doing is

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we're If I could finish, though, if I could finish, we're trying to make sure someone's behavior stays good for those 6 months. Now, we're talking about an event that possibly took place prior to this obeyance. I don't think that's fair at all. And I I don't see how you can just say that's how it works. Isn't that

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Are you familiar with probation right now? >> You familiar with the concept of probation? >> This isn't criminal probation. This is an obeyance that this board can bring >> analogous. Okay. So if he has a violation, if he's found to violate in the next six months, that's the whole point of the obeyance. It's a sort of damic held over lences heads. So that if

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they violate >> Well, tell me about your understanding of probation. >> If you violate, you are you have a a potential sentence, >> right? you have a potential sentence of jail or whatever, right? And as long as

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you are good during that probationary, >> from when you're granted probation, >> from when you entered, >> how about before you what you what you'd committed before you were entered into probation. Is your understanding that you're going to be placed out of probation, you're going to be found to violate probation for something that occurred prior to the you were granted

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probation? >> Yes. >> I I disagree. I think that's arbitrary. >> I'm sorry. I'm a little confused only because just for my own clarification, we talking about new violations going from this point forward? >> Yes, we are talking about new violations. >> So, it would be a new violation starting today. Correct. >> It's not new.

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>> I think he's thinking about a violation that might already be on the books that are talking about correct >> the decision. >> So, I'm just confused. >> So, we so we don't have to keep circling on this one. Can we state >> Yes. that [snorts] it is a five-day

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suspension held in abance for six months. Um, future violations with the exception of the ongoing change of manager would trigger. >> You could Yes, absolutely. You could carve that out.

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>> Thank you. But to your point, but to to the point you raised, yeah, you're potentially setting him up for >> Well, that's why I'm bringing it up because it's an event that could have happened prior to this ruling. >> So, the idea that we'd have a probationary period for, excuse me, if the idea that we'd have a probationary

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period from 6 months starting today that would include acts that preceded today seems unfair to me. And I don't think that that's the spirit of probation. >> So, so again, so we can try to keep this moving for everybody's sake. would um we like to adjust that wording.

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>> So a motion to fiveday suspension in obeyance for new violations with the exception of the pending issue around the management change >> that we'll discuss next meeting in six

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months probation. >> Does that phrase work? >> I second it. >> All in favor? >> I >> I >> Thank you. Does that make sense? >> Yes. I love that. >> Okay. So, anything else outside of the current ongoing conversation about the

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potential violation of the change in manager will trigger that five-day suspension. Um, yeah, >> this the change in manager thing could have its own disciplinary, but it won't trigger that fiveday suspension portion that was discussed tonight.

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>> Thank you. >> Okay, everybody good on that part? >> Fabulous. Let's keep this moving. Next, >> this is the World Cup thing. No, the change of manager. >> So, um we have

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um the matter of the change of manager for the all alcohol beverages on premise change of officers, directors, LLC managers, and issuance transfer of stock new stockholder license application of Axe Entertainment DBA to Lounge. >> Yes, Madam Chair. Mark White for the

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applicant. Uh again, um I'd like to uh move to continue all matters on that particular application with the exception of the change of manager. >> Okay. Um I have to amend that petition.

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>> Okay. Um I am okay with pushing that out. Do we have to make a motion to push that out? >> Yep. >> Can we make a motion? >> Make a motion to move to the next meeting. the change of management for >> not the change of management. Everything but >> everything but >> second.

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>> All in favor? >> Okay. So, we're in agreement on that. So, let's focus on the request for the change in manager. >> Okay. >> So, the manager that we're proposing to change to is Laura Loisea Sodto. She's here tonight. Um I can bring her up and

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uh for consideration by the board. Hello, my name is Lara Loisa. >> Hello. Thank you for joining us this evening. Um, can you tell us a bit about yourself and um your experience in the industry?

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Of course. So, um I've had about a little bit over 10 years of experience running a restaurant with my father. that is um talking about who Fernando is. Uh Fernando Loisa, my father, he will also be assisting me as like assistant manager in the restaurant. Um

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we ran Antonio's at the beach in River. Um like I said, for over 10 years, but we actually worked there maybe way over that maybe. I think he started working there maybe when I was like nine or 10 years

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old. So um I have experience myself from taking over and kind of um his guidance and then once I was legal age of working um taking over the restaurant and then um managing it

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>> and um do you have your tip certification? >> I do. Yeah. Before I started working as a manager, I actually been working maybe in the industry since I was maybe 17 years old. >> Very nice. Um, initial questions from my fellow

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commissioners. >> So, you're leaving your current role at Antonia's on the beach? >> Antony's at the beach closed about a year ago. Well, in April was a year. Um, so we took a break for about a little

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bit over a year um from the industry. >> Understand? >> What would be your working hours um at Toritos? Mhm. I'll be working there about um probably 40 hours a week, maybe a little bit more depending on

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how much. 40 hours a week. >> And then the assistant manager, which is your father, will take over. >> Yeah. So actually I will be there um for like about opening to closing. Um he will be my about assistant manager is

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more like assisting me from the morning. So they'll be there, someone there even when there's it's not operational hours. It's more just like prepping cooks and then um just to >> like that hour before I get there. So like there's always someone on site. >> But you'll be there for closing.

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>> I'll be there for closing every day. Yeah. >> All right. Thanks. >> Questions for my other commissioners initially? >> No question. >> Tip certified. Yes. >> Yes, sir. Uh Chelsea Police Department.

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>> Uh so I received numerouses of uh background checks for Toritos. Uh one being Laura. Uh I find nothing here. I did had a chance to meet with Lauren Sprier briefly down in Toritos. Uh I

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don't see any concerns with her. Is your dad playing a role as assistant manager? So >> because if it's so I need to do a background check on him. >> There's nothing that was provided to do a Corey or Bob check on your dad. >> We could do a background check.

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>> I mean if he's an assistant manager that's kind of opening up the shop and and doing meal prep. I mean that's like a title but it's not he's an employee of the restaurant. I mean >> I don't know. I mean >> it's not a it's not a named licensed manager. It's a title of assistant

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manager. You know it's it's it's just a corporate term. There there is a >> is there again I didn't don't know I usually just get them >> um but okay if that's what he wants that's fine typically you have the the the licensed manager so you have the

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named manager on the license and then there's >> other assistant managers because obviously the named manager can't be on property all hours that a place is open. >> Um so the city should just know who those managers are. Um, so that way, um,

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if there are concerns, it's it's the same way when, um, when when I was managing establishments, you have you had to give the city a listing of all of the employees. So, that way um, if you were there after hours, the the city

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knew the names of who was supposed to be there. So, but that's different than background checks and Corey checks on every manager. >> Just Just to that point, though, there are other cities that I practice before that do have multiple and alternate managers. Brooklyn, for example, makes

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you have an alternate manager, makes you have a crowd manager, a bar manager. Everybody has to go through, which I don't think there's anything I think that's great. It's just not something that we do. >> I like the idea of the crowd manager. That would be great. >> Yeah. Yeah, I mean there's a there's >> somebody to keep count. [laughter]

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>> No, I don't disagree. >> Okay. >> So, provide the contact list to the police. Is that what we're getting at? >> Sorry, say that again. >> We just need the contact list to be provided to the police. Okay, great. >> Just the people who'd be responsible. I I did question when I was going through

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this packet. >> Um, and I understand you need to amend some stuff. Um, but there are two change of manager forms listed in here. >> That's correct. So, I'm I'm removing the initial and Laura is the manager that I

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want to that I want to name. I >> And I do not see the um entity vote for Laura as the >> I've got to get that to you. That's correct. >> I don't Let me take a look though. I may

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have done that. Maybe. No, >> I don't see it in our >> but I can I can get that to I mean I can have that whipped up and brought in tomorrow. >> I think that was the only other piece that I had noticed on this part of it. There are some other things I noticed on

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the other part of it, but we've already moved that. >> Um, >> other questions or concerns from the police department on this matter? as of now. No. >> Um,

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prior to us moving forward, um, with this, is there any advice that you would like to give her as a new manager of the establishment? >> I mean, Jean could tell you. I I'm just

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tired of beating the dead horse already with this. So, >> you know who it is. >> Yeah. I mean, you have the experience, you have the knowledge, you worked over in Revier. I did my background check. I did reach out to Revier PD. They did have a bind of concern, but we're going

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to overlook that. That's their issue, not ours. Um, run a business. Run a tight ship. Give this man a break. He's been up here every month for the last year. Um, get your girls in check. Get your security in check. Wear appropriate clothing. I guess you can talk with them

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about it. I mean, there's no other way to say it. Watch the over serving and that's it. And keep your noise level down if you can. >> Thank you. I mean, I do I mean, I don't know if you guys want to look, but I do have a a folder with like uniforms, um,

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like expected from bartenders, servers, uh, busers, um, many chain. Well, we are going to be doing a money change. Um we do want to do a um branding change as well just because

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um what the brand of um the restaurant now isn't you know um we want to weon's at the beach we ran a family restaurant so um and that's what we we know and so that's what we want to

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continue doing here as well. Mhm. >> Just be careful with that word family restaurant. >> It's very It's very sensitive >> to this panel, >> of course, >> because every person that came up here said family restaurant and then Yeah. [laughter] It's a club. >> I know. I understand.

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>> Yeah. You know what I mean? DJ, club, lounge, all >> if it's a family restaurant, >> run it as a family restaurant. >> Yeah. And in the pictures, you'll see actually even the decor, the menus, it says it's it's says family. It's actually I mean if I would love to

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present all my ideas now to you guys so you guys would like feel more comfortable and see what I um what I have planned. Um but I mean it is really beautiful. And the place is beautiful. I've actually passed by it for many years and always wondered why it was so empty.

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>> It it is a great spot. >> It's beautiful. Yeah. So um >> yeah [laughter] >> it's a beautiful place. Um, I'll just say uniquely to Chelsea lately, a lot of the disciplinary hearings we have had are people sending police social media

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photos and videos of violations. So, just remember that people are watching, not us. We don't troll your social media, but uh, other people do and they send to the police. So, there's receipts and that's how they come before us. >> If we're not available, I'm not available. Sergeant Chung's available,

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Nicole Mclofflin's available, Captain Fan's available. All you have to do is call the police station. leave a voicemail or just leave a contact. One of us will get a hold of you. >> I think I started doing my homework. I mean, I did talk to Santiago and he gave me the dos and don'ts and uh I took them

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very very seriously. Um I also um like I said, I we worked in River so there's a little bit of a difference here in Chelsea. So taking that to account as well. Um and I mean my homework on and just you know

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I've been in that rush. I have been there. I have been doing um you know seeing what's wrong, what has to be fixed, what has to be moved, what from the back of the house to the front of the house. So I have been starting to do my homework there. >> Great. Appreciate that. >> Um is there anyone from the public that

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would like to speak on this matter this evening? Seeing no one. Um fellow commissioners, um would anybody like to make a motion um to approve this pending the proper

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paperwork making its way to the city? >> I make a motion to approve pending the >> pending that uh >> that changes >> the paperwork >> because we do need to have that entity right away. Second.

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>> All in favor? >> I I uh So again, you may be be here next month as well, but um just to reiterate as we said to one of the earlier lences, please make sure as a a new manager in

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our community. Um you do not allow um anyone who is working whether it's an owner, a manager, an a server, bartender, buser, cook, if you are working, you are not allowed to drink. Um very very important. Um so please

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make sure that that is enforced. Please make sure the cameras are operational. Um and what is the third violation that keeps happening? There was a third one. Anyone remember? I'm going to give it a list that I just made. >> Oh, list is fabulous. >> So, everybody, I'm going to put it out to everyone. They're going to get a

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list. So, >> I love list. Do a list. >> List are fantastic. >> No, this is the real good one. >> So, please [laughter] keep that in mind because we really don't want to do disciplinary hearings. Um, we want all of our businesses to be successful and to uh

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just [clears throat] >> bring great things to the community and be great places that we can go enjoy. And we don't want our meetings to last three hours. So, um, we would really appreciate that. >> Yeah. And, um, cameras, I'm always checking them. I, like she said, you

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have them on your phone. So, all I mean, you want to check what's going on, right? You you need to check what's going on because that's your it's like your baby, >> right? >> Yeah. >> Perfect. I appreciate that. >> Um, so with that, we have done that. We agreed to move the rest of it to next

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month. >> So, we are good on this matter this evening. [snorts] Wonderful. Thank you. >> Good luck. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> All right. Where's my agenda? >> And um then we have one additional item

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on the agenda for other business this evening. We have a discussion of extension of hours during the 2026 FIFA events. >> Would the city like to start that conversation? >> Yep. >> Are you the city, Mark? You're the city. [laughter]

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when it yeah >> on behalf of the city. >> Thank you for the memo that was actually saves us like five hours of conversation. So I appreciate it. >> I had sort of anticipated that it might be going long tonight. So uh tried to make it as efficient as possible. Um in short to to paraphrase the memo and to

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paraphrase the law that just went into effect three days ago. Um this is a very unusual circumstance um where you have legislation >> that's come in so quickly and will expire in a very short period of time.

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Um the the legislation provides essentially for local authorities, local licensing authorities to opt in or not to opt in to an

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extension of ours for current licences or current license holders. Um it [clears throat] uh requires that each license assuming that there is an opt in it it requires that each lency ask for and be

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given that extra hour of of extension uh that extra hour extension for business. So, um it uh the law says that it may not go later than 3:00 a.m. It is however tied to

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uh basically giving them one hour off of their existing hours. So, if if the establishment is closing at 12, they might be able to stay open till 1, not two, not three. Does that make sense so far? Um and [clears throat] as I

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understand it, we don't have any 2 a.m. licenses, so nobody Nobody would be coming up against that 3:00 am only >> just since it was brought up earlier this evening with the exception of the clubs. >> With the exception of the clubs. Correct. Thank you. >> And by clubs I mean social clubs.

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>> Social clubs. The three in the city. Correct. Um the other thing that the law provides for and which is not before the board but just for clarity sake is um to allow uh designated public drinking spaces um

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which uh again not before the board for discussion tonight. Um and I don't believe that the the city is inclined to um move in a positive direction on that. Um anyways um as I see it based on the

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unique nature of the legislation, its timing, the timing of this meeting, the fact that we were not really able to notice this event um in sort of a meaningful way. Um it can be a discussion um with

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regard to whe whether to opt in or not. I think that it's not a procedurally sound choice to take a vote tonight. If the commission disagrees with that, you are absolutely entitled to do that. I would just ask that you

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state a compelling reason compelling reason or reasons on the record that you know based on X Y and Z. Um you know we really feel driven to vote on this tonight. Um and um otherwise uh you have

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as I see it, the option to opt in, uh, not opt in, or defer a decision, take it under advisement, and call a special session to, um, render a vote at a later time.

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I'm I'm also open to questions. >> I have a question. >> Yep. >> If we don't uh, approve today or tonight, what's going to happen? So, we're going to >> it depends on >> call for a special meeting or something or >> the tournament is already static.

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>> I know, but you know, we're there are certain logistical concerns, right? Public safety being the the paramount question, right? You're going to hear from the police department. You've already been presented, as I understand it, with uh a letter from the

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chief of police uh expressing his um uh reluctance to opt in um based on public safety. Uh so it is a unique circumstance. You if the commission and I'm trying to

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be the lawyer here and I'm not trying to direct you in one way or the other. What I'm what I guess I'm saying is that for the commission, if the commission decides that it wants to feels compelled to vote tonight, just state just state clearly why, right? Um the other option

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is that you defer. You take a vote to defer, take it under advisement and call a special session. You'll you'll you would notice it out and have the public in and address it at that time. And yes, it's already started. But

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the the starting of the of the of the World Cup should not dictate public policy or public safety. >> That's your [snorts] job, frankly. So, you you're the deciders. >> I I I would say before we get into too

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many more questions, I would like the police department >> Well, it wasn't even a question. It's it's exactly that. the comments. Normally in a decision like this that we're changing hours, we need public comment and we need the support of the CPD and the city,

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>> you know, like I would like to know what the city council thinks about this. I mean, they're they're making a great event over there, but do they want to manage >> anything over 1:00 a.m., you know? So, I mean, that was going to be my next thing anyway. I I will say uh before I let

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[clears throat] the police open it up, our our neighbors over in River have already publicly stated that they are not opting in. Um that they uh the mayor made a public statement that they are not opting in because the timing of this

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just doesn't make sense. You can't tell us two days before a tournament starts that we've passed some new law and now you can do this without giving us the proper timing to do this properly and safely for our community.

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>> Yeah, even which I appreciated that statement. >> As a business owner now, you're scrambling to find extra staff and extra security. Like even though it may bring them some extra revenue, I just don't see how they could manage that. >> There was also just as a point of record, there was a a notice that was

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sent out to all licences last week prior to the enactment of this uh legislation essentially stating that there will be no extension of ours. That was before it became you know uh signed by the governor on the 8th.

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>> But it was also um a recitation of their responsibilities that they need to comply that there will be a you know strict uh policy uh of compliance and compliance monitoring throughout the city. So, this would if the city or if

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the licensing commission decides to pivot based on this new legislation, it would uh I would suggest to the commission create some uncertainty or ambiguity around that prior directive. >> Yeah. I mean, we're we're too small. I

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mean, this point >> Yeah. I guess unless you guys are like, we got this, we're handling it cool. I mean, is that what you're saying? Captain >> summary, >> Captain Fardon. Yeah. >> Before I got I do have a letter from the uh the chief that wrote it. I'll read into record in a moment. >> Sure. >> But person I remember being up here not

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long ago, somebody else trying to stay open to >> uh 2 a.m. >> And I and we had concerns about that and I think those concerns are actually amplified by the uh events of what's of what just started with the whole FIFA and everything. I think that um that

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that that those concerns are actually even more so. Um but having said that I I if you all will read the chief's letter that he uh you welcome. [clears throat] >> Um this is uh dear chairman and members of

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the Chelsea Licens and Commission. I re I write on behalf of the Chelsea Police Department to respectfully express our opposition to any proposal that would extend the closing time of licensed establishments to 3:00 a.m. during FIFA World Cup events. It must be noted that

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no games will extend beyond 12:00 a.m. as the games are being played in conventional time zones. The Chelsea Police Department fully recognizes the significance of the FIFA World Cup and understands the excitement it generates within our diverse and vibrant community. Chelsea residents proudly

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represent many nations participating in the tournament and we welcome opportunities for residents and visitors to celebrate this global event responsibly. However, after careful review of our operational capabilities, public safety responsibilities, and historical

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experience managing large gatherings, we believe extended alcohol service and business operations until 3:00 a.m. would create substantial public safety challenges that outweigh any potential benefits. Historically, the period between 1:00 am and 3:00 am represents

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the highest concentration of alcohol-related incidents, including assaults, disturbances, disorderly conduct, impaired drive-in, medical emergencies, and calls for police service. Extended operating hours would likely prolong alcohol consumption,

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increase patron intoxication levels, and require the deployment of additional police resources at a time when staffing is already committed to maintaining citywide public safety. The World Cup itself presents unique operational concerns. Matches involving

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national teams often attract large, highly emotional crowds, while the overwhelming majority of fans celebrate responsibly. International sporting events have historically demonstrated the potential for spontaneous gatherings, public disturbances, and

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crowd management challenges. Extending bar and restaurant operations into the early morning hours would increase the likelihood of incidents requiring police intervention and place additional demands on patrol officers, supervisors, dispatch personnel, and emergency medical resources. Additionally, our

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department is fully committed to our own World Cup related celebrations at our viewing events in Chelsea Square. The outdoor viewing events already will stretch our staff and resources to maintain adequate levels to address traffic concerns, pedestrian safety, emergency calls, and potential crowd

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control issues throughout the city. A 3:00 a.m. closing time would significantly extend the period during which our limited resources must remain committed. The Chelsea Police Department is also mindful of the impact later closing hours may have on residents near

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licensed establishments. Noise complaints, quality of life concerns, and disturbances associated with late night patron dispersals are likely to increase and persist well into the early morning hours. While we strongly support responsible World Cup celebrations and remain

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committed to working collaboratively with local businesses, event organizers, and city officials, we believe the current licensing framework strikes the appropriate balance between economic activity, community celebration, and public safety. Maintaining existing

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closing times will allow the police department to effectively manage resources while ensuring the safety of residents, visitors, and business owners alike. For these reasons, the Chelsea Police Department respectfully recommends that the licensing commission decline any request to authorize a 3:00

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a.m. closing time for bars and restaurants during FIFA World Cup events. I appreciate your consideration of this important public safety matter. Should the commission require additional information or wish to discuss our concerns further, I would be pleased to appear before the commission. Uh,

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respectfully, uh, Chief Keith Ehod, >> thank you. I appreciate that. Um the the other thing that I would u just want to reference and it sounds like everybody's kind of on the same page. Um but I I have been hearing that we have multiple

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disciplinary hearings that are about to be coming before us as well. So it's not like we are in a environment where all of our establishments are following the rules and things are going really well and we're not having problems.

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>> Yeah. So, I would be 100% against entertaining, granting later hours and potentially having more safety concerns in the community, which I already publicly stated several months back when

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there was the request for the 2 a.m. license. And I don't feel that that should change now. And I don't feel that it should be done without proper notice to the public, which requires a 30-day notice of a public hearing. Um, which

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puts us two weeks before um the end of when it is being permitted. Um, so it to me it just doesn't even make sense to have that conversation. >> Yeah. Thoughts from my fellow commissioners?

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>> I agree. I I would be inclined to opt out. >> You're like the most lenient. What do you think? >> Yeah. No, not usually. I'm usually dead against the two o'clock last call, but this is 30 days. It's almost like a perfect case study. We'll know, you know, and and it ends and it ends in 30

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days and it's it's not come up again. We're never going to get this opportunity again. >> But we also don't get the opportunity to do a proper public hearing and hear what the community feels. And I feel this dramatically impacts the community. Uh >> and the games end at midnight.

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>> Yeah. The the longest game here is >> uh this this round later on they go providing you with the information. The decision is yours. I'm just >> there's a pro and a con. >> Can I can I step in on that

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>> opportunity? >> Can I step in on the times? Um, so the list that I provided with all the games and the times, I searched up the time zones, um, or the games that will be in the Eastern time zone. There's some LA none of them are past 9:00,

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>> 100%. You can check it yourself. None of them are past 9:00. >> When you get close to the finals, they don't they don't end. They do not end at >> But those aren't in they're not playing in the Eastern time zones. >> Checked everyone. >> I checked everyone. Mexico, Canada.

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>> Um, the one that's listed here for midnight. Um, that ends Tanzania and Japan. >> Which date is that? [clears throat] >> 21st of June. >> 21st of June. >> 21st of June. Hold on one second. >> Because it's not going to happen here.

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>> That's like a brunch. >> Is it Tanzania? >> Yeah, that's a brunch game. >> What they playing? I just don't think this is proper timing to do this. >> I mean, back to my point, usually we get community feedback, you know, uh we

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receive feedback from the police, you know, um maybe the city councils have an opinion, but we don't have enough time to make that decision. It's just too short of a time. I'm I'm all about opting out. We don't We're too small. I just don't see

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it as being a positive thing. >> Today was today was day one. We had about 60 to 80 people there. Families enjoy. >> Yeah. The outside man outside of the police station. Great. >> It it was I mean traffic is a nightmare.

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I mean there we're working on it. We're working on it but it I mean we saw kids running around. >> Families having a great time. Restaurants were starting to get people. I think the game was a little too early, but I think later in the evening, the

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restaurants will stop providing uh food, drinks, people could have. I mean, I walked into one restaurant, it was good size, and everybody was enjoying themselves. So, I think this is a great opportunity for a peaceful game and don't worry

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about I mean, you're having a good time inside with your family and your friends inside the I mean, I we all agree with the chief on this. Um, but public safety is paramount. Everyone's safety is paramount to go three o'clock in the morning. I mean, you're like

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>> I I want to I want to focus on the fun of the the festival and rather than another three months of discipline hearing. So, I'm I'm opting out. >> That's how does that get How's that not getting over at 2 o'clock in the morning? It's Eastern time.

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>> 12 a.m. >> Even Even if there's a game that gets over at 2 o'clock in the morning, I I have no interesting. >> The only one on the 21st with that's going to be Eastern time is Miami. >> I'm sorry. Um, group H, which is Uruguay and um, >> this says this says time zone,

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>> but it doesn't matter. >> Eastern time 12 a.m. >> Yeah, I'm not going to start the game at >> That's what it's talking about. >> I know, but that the problem with that is that people are at 3:00 a.m. are still ramped up in the game. It's just a disaster waiting to happen. We're not equipped for it. I would think as the

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night goes on, it becomes less about family and people more watching these later games. >> Yeah, my kids aren't going to a midnight game. >> I mean, these later these later games are less about family oriented. I think agree. I think you're going to see more alcohol consumption as the time goes on. That's that's my personal opinion. I >> actually think as someone who is

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actually more lenient to a 2 a.m. close in general, this is actually a terrible idea to pilot because what will happen was everyone's going to be like, "This is a disaster. bar should close at 10 p.m. and like we're going to go back to Foot Loose days where we still can't dance and it's Mormonism in Chelsea. Like this is my this is what will happen

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if we say yes is my opinion. >> I I do think problems would happen. Yes. And >> yeah, I I have a comment too. Um I don't think we should go to 3 in the morning but at least uh to some restaurants who close at 11 maybe give a chance to 1 in the morning. This is only one in a

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lifetime in United States will never maybe happen again here. Uh there's a lot of people you guys probably don't like soccer but there's a lot of people who like soccer and not everybody drinks. >> Mhm. >> That's my opinion.

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>> I think you should give a chance you would be obligated to approve each one of those license. They must come before the commission unless the commission delegates the approval to some other department. But you can't just pick and choose.

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>> I mean I mean I mean you can actually technically you can if the commission says anybody with an 11:00 license or you know license closure [snorts] uh they can apply. I mean technically you could do that. You could

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>> but this is only for liquor, right? So if they want to keep I would also say that then we have licences that have been before us recently for disciplinary action that have >> suspensions held in obeyance. So those ones would not be permitted to be able

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to do that. Um, I just think it's it there's not enough time to do it properly and there's not enough time to notify the community and have the community have the chance to come before us and share their opinions before we made a vote on it.

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>> Do you think the room would be full if that happened? >> Because I I don't >> I 100 Well, there would be several. Yeah, >> maybe a few people, but it wouldn't be full. >> It's not about providing notice and getting community feedback. >> But I I I If that's

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>> I believe we've had three of the commissioners state that they would opt out. >> Yeah, it's just not a hill I'm dying on today. I don't care enough about >> Well, I just I just made my opinion. >> I will follow what you guys said, but >> Well, no, we want your opinion.

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>> Cool. That's why I'm part of that. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> If you got it again, I may be against something and you probably in favor of it. I'll probably be in favor of something that >> I love watching the games and I'm all for watching them either down in our

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city square um with all of the work that >> I actually went today to the game. I I saw a lot of people enjoying families and I was there >> since the first but that was early afternoon I think what the captain was saying >> the evening happens

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>> I think when people are >> things are starting to ramp up and I'm if I was here with my kids I'll be taking them home. Yeah, >> you know, knowing that potentially >> something can happen because that's just the world we live in. >> Many years ago, I remember when Brazil

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won and every this happened in River and everyone was joyous to the point that no one slept till 4:00 a.m. Everyone was just honking their horns, carrying on. Nothing to do with liquor. I'm just saying just just them being happy and

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joyous to 4 a.m. Yeah. >> All right. So imagine adding liquor to that. >> Yeah. >> So I >> and and and I enjoy uh soccer. So >> I just don't think we need to have alcohol extend the license extended to

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3:00 a.m. or 2 a.m. >> Yeah, we're good. Yeah. >> What's the vote? >> Sorry. >> Um >> thank you. Impressive. Usually I'm the one that's like, let's be the mood. Yeah, cuz I'm hungry. So, would somebody

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like to make a motion? >> I make a motion to opt out. >> Would somebody like to second said motion? >> Second. >> All in favor? I'm in favor of opting out. Uh, all opposed.

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>> Majority rule. >> Majority majority carries. >> And the compelling reason was for public safety. >> Yes. public safety and proper notice to the community for a public hearing. >> Prepare for and obtain public

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>> public input um as to >> the pros and cons. And with that, um our next meeting, as voted on earlier today, will be on Thursday, July 16th at 6:00 pm.

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Can I um get a motion to adjurnn? >> Motion to adjourn. >> Really? >> All in favor? >> Thank you. >> I don't know if you wanted to