Good evening. Um, this is the zoning board of appeals. I am Janice Tatara. I am joined by other board members Joan Cromwell, Arthur Arsenal, Tugo Peromo, Joseph Mahoney, and Marilyn Vega Torres. and also John Der Priest, Will Cio, Adam Roy, and Hector. We're going to take our
cases in order. If you haven't signed up, please do so now if you plan to testify. When if if and when you do testify, please introduce yourselves, give your address, and speak into the microphone because it's being recorded. Um, excuse me. Um, so we're going to
take, as I said, we're going to take the cases in order and we're going to start with 2024 26 105 1115 Park Street, 12 Essex Street, one Ellsworth Street for special permit and variant seeking approval to demolish two structures, and for the construction of a 120
residential dwelling unit structure with seven firstf flooror retail units, which does not meet the minimum requirements for rear yard setback, sideyard setback, and off- streetet parking. Please present to us. I you I know you've spoken with the planning board. Please come to us and talk about any revisions
you've proposed. And once we've heard from the presenter, I'll be opening it again to public hear public um testimony if anybody's interested. So if you'd like to begin and introduce yourselves. Good evening, madam chairwoman, members of the board. Anthony Rossi on behalf of
the petition. Easier just pick it up. Anthony. Yeah. Sorry. Good evening. U madam chair, members of the board, Anthony Rossy on behalf of the petitioner. I do have David Choy, architect of record and I do have uh traffic analysis here, Scott here to
talk about the traffic study and I believe Mr. Salo from engineer lines maybe coming here or not but just for clarity but um we did have a change since the first application we reduced the unit counts. It was originally 120 units and went
down to 100 unit. We also changed the unit mix. We had um a couple meetings with the neighbors. Um we had one um probably about a month ago prior to the planning board meeting and based on those comments, we did a lot of changes to the building to accommodate a lot of
their requests and we did go in front of the planning board for uh approvals and it was if I'm not mistaken, John, it was unanimous on the planning board with recommendations um for the new plans. So the unit count did change from 120 units to 100. The unit mix also changed uh
based on neighbors and planning board recommendations to have more two and threebedroom units. So now we have a total of 32 bedrooms, 61 bedrooms, 10 threebedrooms, 50 parking spaces, and 15 inclusionary units and um 12,000 square
feet of open space on the property. So the the footprint essentially stayed the same aesthetically, but the units got larger to accommodate what the neighbors wanted to see and what the planning board wanted to see to have more twos and three bedrooms to accommodate more
families and so forth. Um, as a result, uh, we decreased the amount of units from 120 to 100 and and basically we had really good feedback from the neighbors um, and the council that was there and u the, you proposal. How many floors are you still proposing? It's the same.
Still seven floors. I mean, um, it was six stories, right? Six floors, I mean. Yep. Yeah. Six stories. It's podium plus Yeah. So, it's podium plus five stories. Tell us your name for the record, please. Oh. Uh, David Troy, architect. Um, yeah, it's basically, you could tell here it's
podium plus five stories. So, five five over one. Correct. So, as far as the area didn't change, it's more of how it's inside the layouts and we reduced the amount of units to accommodate the multiple bedroom units that they wanted to see
the butters, the neighbors, and the planning board. I I actually think even prior at the ZBA there was comments about more multiple bedroom units. So, we try to accommodate that to have more eligibility for families. So based on that, we did make the changes to reduce
the unit mix and um to accommodate the two and threebedroom mix on that. and I can represent to the board at the last meeting. Um the people that were against it or didn't like what they saw and maybe some of them are here spoke in
favor of what the accommodations we did to try to accommodate their concerns and needs and which is why the board planning board went approval and the only and this is predominantly all special permit. The only issue for one variance is it's a 10- foot side yard
setback and because we did a bump out on the building. It's nine feet. It's off by one foot, but everybody wanted to see that overhang coming over on the second level and that created a variance because that one foot setback. But that's the only variance I believe
that's being sought on us. Everything else is by special permit. And that's essentially and and you didn't have the luxury of the traffic study and if you want we did present that before the planning board. We do have Scott here and he can talk about the traffic study that was done that was
filed with the planning board because you didn't have that at the initial meeting. So if I could I'd like to have him just address that. Do we want to see the the traffic study? I I think it would be helpful to see the traffic study. Also Anthony can you repeat the breakdown of the units for me?
Yes, I can do it again. So, it's 32 bedrooms, 10 threebedrooms, and 61 bedrooms. Um, originally, it was almost 85 to 90% ones and studios. Okay. So, now out of the um 100 units, we're
going to have a total of 40 two beds and three beds. So, the ratio went from 5 to 10% to 40% twos and threes. Good evening. Scott Thornton with Vanessa Associates. Uh, we prepared the traffic assessment for the project. Um,
I'm not sure if we have any slides for for the roadway improvements. Um, or maybe the site plan. Yeah, that'll be fine. Um, sure. So, uh, so we prepared a study.
It's dated May of 2025. Uh, we looked at seven intersections generally around the perimeter of the project. who scoped the locations for study out with Mr. Depri and did traffic counts in March uh looking at the more weekday morning and
the weekday evening uh peak commuter time periods. Uh we got um got information on background projects uh specifically related to road improvements in the area. uh did a standard traffic assessment where we
look at crash data. We look at uh site distances, we look at the traffic volumes, look at transit systems in the area. Uh we also um and then we project seven years in the future. Uh we add the project traffic estimating those trips
based on uh standard industry data, the IT trip generation manual. Um what we found when we added the project traffic looking at about you know accounting for uh for census data and the mode split in the area most people something like 47%
of only 47% of project or residents in the area commute using personal vehicles. There's a lot of people that commute using transit and walk and bicycle. So uh we applied that to the study. We think that that's a that's a
good starting place for um for assumptions for the for the project residents. Winds up giving us about 20 trips in the morning, 30 trips in the evening. Uh that's entering and exiting. Uh and accounts for the as I mentioned
the other use or use of other travel modes. Um we had that traffic into those intersections. We generally didn't have a change in operations. Um, in general, the intersections operate with about 10 to 15 seconds of delay
with or without the project, not including the intersections of uh Broadway with Congress and uh Everett and Cross uh with Broadway. Those intersections have there's a lot of delay associated
with that, more than 50 seconds. Um but in terms of you know in general um we think that the project is in a good location for for people that don't have vehicles to for for uh if if you don't
have a vehicle um and you don't plan on getting one, this is a good place to live. You're on five transit lines, five bus lines uh that basically stop in front of the site. uh four of those run seven days a week. So that's something that we look for to promote the transit
availability. Um in terms of uh future improvements, there's a tip project to improve the two intersections. It actually goes further down uh Park Street, but in this area uh
in the in the frontage of the site, uh there's a plan to add traffic signals at the intersection of Pearl and Park and Cross and uh Pearl and Park in Congress. So, basically the book ends of the site.
There's going to be bike lanes added. There's going to be, as I mentioned, traffic signals. They're going to have uh full pedestrian phasing to accommodate uh crossings of the street with crosswalks. Uh the streets are going to be narrowed up a little bit so that it's a shorter distance for
pedestrians to cross. Uh that's proposed to be I think it's funded for 2030, the 2030 tip. Um so so that should be implemented uh in the future by the time the project is is open and uh occupied.
So that's really a rundown of the traffic study. If you have any specific questions, be happy to answer them. Any questions? What you're proposing, are you proposing any changes in traffic flow in?
So there is one thing that we're looking at. the intersection or the Ellsworth Street is between 10 and 13 feet wide and it's currently um two way. It's currently configured as two-way,
which that seems kind of odd to us. Um we were proposing uh changing that to be a one-way street. We understand that we have to go to traffic commission to to get their uh to get their approval for that, but it would basically be um
running one way from Congress Street down to Essex Street. Um and we would put do not enter signs on, you know, on the on the exit side of Ellsworth Street and one-way signs on that as well.
Where's the entrance and exit from your parking structure? So there are two actually go ahead um it's actually a two-level parking structure in order to achieve 50 parking spaces. The reason being that u there's
a great difference between the intersection of SX and Pearl and up to this um entry here. So when you're entering here, you're entering in a lower elevation to access the parking. And when you're entering on Ellsworth
Street, you're entering at a higher elevation to access the upper parking. We're able to do that architecturally because the fact that the podium is a taller um taller height for retail and amenities. Um so and that's the strategy
is to double up as much on the parking for that. And do they come out the same place they go in? Yes. Yes. So they come out. So this one will come out and go out this way. This is the one on Congress. Goes out come out the same way. This is where he's talking about doing the do not enter. So make this more of a one-way
traffic this way. This is actually a two-way street even though it's only 13 ft wide. So what would happen when somebody comes out and turns right? So they wouldn't it would go this way now when they had exit. Am I doing it wrong? They could go either way now. But what
we're proposing is they could only turn right. Yeah. Well, that's something the traffic people would deal with, not Yes. So, I mean, that's But it just Yeah. I mean, we didn't do a traffic study based on that. Like, it it was more that it was a recommendation that it made sense since
it's only 13 feet wide. It may make sense to have it as a one-way traffic, you know, because just such a narrow street. It makes it more difficult to have two-way traffic when it's 13 feet when an average car is, you know, 9 by 18. Yeah, it's it's it's really not safe to
have it as a two-way street. I thought that it was a oneway. Okay. And I actually thought that the traffic went onto Congress Street. So, anybody from Essex Street could go into Ellsworth, drive down, and go onto
Congress Street because I've seen cars come out and definitely does. It does. It does, I think. But believe it or not, it is a two-way street. Okay. So, we're trying to make it the way it's used essentially. Okay. Instead of making it not the way it's you like I mean, so we're trying to a
way people using it now, but technically it is a two-way street. Okay. So then if you make it one way to Essex Street, where are they going to go? They're going to go left. They're going to exit. They're gonna take a left, not right. Left right.
Okay. They're gonna exit left and then they'll either turn around, get back on Congress or up Essex Street. Correct. And that and that's only for TW 25 pocket spaces because the other 25 are entering on Essex Street.
Okay. So those 25 are are on a different level on a different entrance. So there's 25 on each floor. Yeah. So it gets a little confusing, but yeah. 25 will go in on Essex and come out Essex. 25 will go in Ellsworth and exit
Ellsworth onto Essex Street. Correct. Okay. Any go um how traffic will be when you start construction with the heavy equipment tractor trailers how you guys going to um
so we're we're required and it's part of the planning board conditions I believe already but it would be part of any approval to do a construction management plan. So what we're looking for is it's going to be done in phases. Do one part of the building um because you're going to basically build the parking area.
It's podium. So once you build a parking area, you're essentially going to have 50 parking spaces for the workers anyways. Just to be clear, it's so when you're building it, the we're going to be building from it should be built on the right side if you're looking at the little corner there. So you're going to
go all the way down to there. So your parking structure is going to probably be built first. So your parking structure when it's built, you're going to be using that as a parking for the building. 50 parking spaces. You probably won't even have more than 15 for workers. It's more of the construction itself. So we're going to
do a construction management plan, but in the meantime, we're also looking at alternate sites. My client has another site in Chelsea to have parking for the workers there. We're going to it'll be a fenced in site and everything will be brought in the material. then probably be a period of two or three months that
you can't really park there while it's being done whether it's pouring concrete and safety until you get to a certain level. That's going to be part of the construction management plan and that was one I believe that was one of the conditions of planning board and I think it's one of the conditions anyways that you have to do in the city of Chelsea to do a construction management plan. So he
has another alternate site. He's looking to off streetet parking until for that one little period of time because it's it's a tight site when you're looking at the structure itself being built. But that is already part of I believe the conditions of planning board regarding the structure management plan.
Well, the planning board may Oh, that I guess that would be part of their site site plan, right? So otherwise their recommendations. So we just want to be sure of that. And if you if you adopted the recommendations, then it would be part of the ZBA decision too. Um on the parking um there's 10
designated parking spots for uh the public right to use and go to the retail. Is that correct? Right. How they will how they going to know they have 10 spaces to use? There'll be they'll be they'll be labeled inside the building like signs
but nothing outside. Well, there's no outside parking. They're all inside the parking structure. So just like I have a parking garage and I have whatever tenant for this parking use only. It basically would be probably for employees than anybody else. I don't think it's going
to be for foot traffic because the this is meant to be a foot traffic type of retail use for the building and for the neighborhood as a whole because we're looking to put the dry cleaners that's in that area and there's a convenience store over there to replace them and put
them back into this building and because of the size of the dry cleaners and my client is already engaged both the existing tenants and they want to come back over here. The dry cleaners is pretty large. So, they'll probably take two spaces in the convenience store. So, three out of the seven spaces will be
the same use that's currently there, but he wants new equipment, new everything because the equipment he has is older. So, this made sense for him because he wanted to upgrade everything anyways. So, they're looking to go back into the building as a whole there. And they don't even have parking now. So
could you remind us um how the delivery is going to um park in this area? Yeah. So if you look at the second level here is that the lower garage. Well yeah. So you come over here all the
deliveries for the commercial is on this level and they will be delivering right to we have a separate spot on the second level. This is just lower level garage. It's a second level for deliveries for the for the commercial. Everything would come right in here. The elevator access is right here. So they would come in,
they have a on they have a corridor for each commercial space on the second level that actually accesses for them on it for the commercial. So it's it's set up perfectly. Right now it shows seven, but based on what we can see from the tenants that want to stay, those two tenants, they're going to basically
occupy these three spots here. And then we have these smaller spots here designated for neighborhood uses and so forth. They're not large, you know, we're talking 500 square feet, you know, 1100 feet, 500
square feet, more you're not going to see a restaurant use, what have you. It's more something that can be accommodating for the neighborhood. When we talked to the city, they wanted to engage that Broadway corridor to keep that going. So, we didn't want anything that would create more parking and more
traffic that was currently in. And if you um when we talked to Scott about the traffic analysis, what we're doing here is far less burdensome than what was there before with pull open peril as far as traffic and that because residential is a different traffic times when they
leave peak hours and so forth. And as a result, remember out of 100 units, 50 of them are, you know, we have 40 spots essentially for the 100 units, which is one of the reasons why we really wanted more of the smaller units because more likely than not, they're not going to have vehicles, but the larger units did.
But after meeting with the neighbors and um the planning board, um that's what they wanted to see, more twos and three bedrooms. So, but those people wouldn't be eligible for residential stickers under the city ordinance. So again, that will now limit amount of cars going to
be parking on the street because they're not eligible for a sticker. So even though we're going to have that many units, we're actually limiting the amount of cars that are actually going to be on site anyways. And who's going to get the uh parking? How you going to basically first come, first serve? We
expect, you know, we have 40 two beds and three beds. We're hoping that probably out of the 50 spots, maybe 40 of those are going to be designated for the two beds and three beds. And the ones that are left over, they're smaller studios and ones. And those are probably going to be the ones that not going to
have parking because realistically, like, you know, the two beds, more likely not they're going to have one car. You know, the studios and ones are 400 feet, 300 feet. Very easy to rent those without parking. I think you're going to have a more difficult time renting a two bed,
threebedroom without pocket, which is why we reduced the unit count by almost, you know, 20%. And made more twos and threes accommodate that, but we still kept the 50 pocket spots. So, we expect out of the four 42 beds and three beds,
you know, those will go to, you know, those pocket spots will go there. And I will note that the inclusionary units now you're going to have 15% of 40% of two bedrooms and three bedrooms when before it was 15% of 90% studios and
ones. So now you're going to have you know those affordable units will have the same mixture of what we have in the building. So now we're offering more twos and threes to inclusionary market that you know wasn't available before for families and they'll receive the same benefit because out of those 15%
you're going to have 15 units that go to inclusionary out of the 100. So it's 85 market rate units and 15% of 40 now you have six units out of 15 that will be two beds and three beds and before was one. So, it's it's a big difference. And
my client was willing to sacrifice the expense because he wants to do what the neighborhood wanted and he listened to them. We had, you know, two positive meetings and the last one was more entailed with the neighborhood and that's what they wanted to see and we we changed the layouts to accommodate. today.
I just wanted to go back to the um the parking. You had mentioned that the delivery drivers were going to go inside the garage to deliver. So, I mean, Ellsworth is very narrow. It's a very narrow street. So, I I'm
curious as to how the you know, like Amazon truck or UPS or FedEx is going to get into that garage. So there'll be there'll be signage in there and delivery will be set on certain hours. Usually deliveries are done prior to 7 a.m. Yeah. But to fit that's what I mean fit
in in that narrow street and like actually turn into that garage. It is designed to work that way. I mean so I mean I don't think you're going to see those big Amazon trucks. the usage that we're doing to give you an idea like 40 to almost half of the commercial
space that you're seeing in there is going to be a dry cleaners in the convenience store. So the dry cleaners is a lot of people order from Amazon, Anthony. No, I know that. But but they usually you have an Amazon like you have someone coming in a Toyota Corolla and dropping off I mean I get my wife lives off
Amazon. Okay. So it's I get a car pulling up my dog's barking every day with deliveries. Very rare I get an Amazon truck truck truck, but if it does, the height of the garage will accommodate that. And we do have, just so you know, we're This is going to
be all park. And I I apologize, I should have brought this up. So, we have our cult system over here. This is all going to be all green space. We're building a park that's going to be accommodated not just for the residents, but even for the neighborhood. And we're going to be closing this all in gated in here so that way for safety for vehicles. But we
have this huge piece of land back here. It's almost 20 ft back here. So, if there was an issue, we wouldn't be we could have shrunk it and make it larger. But this is all going to be, you know, public, you know, public and private use for kids playground and so forth because
now that we're going to have so many families in here, we thought it made sense to build a playground and so forth in this area. And for safety wise, this is all going to be closed in. They're not going to enter from here. It's all coming on a walkway here. And this will be closed in on this part of the
driveway. So, so, but if we if we were concerned, you know, we talked about this with Scott and we talked about it with David, we wouldn't have um we could have shrunk that and made a bigger driveway essentially, you know, to go there. And then there's no parking in front of
the um there's not going to be any parking in front of the storefronts. Correct. Any questions before I open it up to the public? Okay. Hey. Um, if is anybody here who wishes to speak on this, please come up. First, I want to um acknowledge we
received a letter in opposition from Al Maisen, who was a Chelsea resident, CHS class of 1966, and um he is in opposition. So, is there anybody else who wishes to speak on this today? Okay, there being none, I'm going to
close the public participation portion of this hearing and let's have a disc Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry I'm not closing it. I'm opening it again. I'm sorry I didn't see you. Please u give your name and address please.
Yes, my name is uh Manuel Tesa. I live at 188 Broadway. Um I am also a city and city counselor for the district 7. Um and uh you know about this project uh we we came before and we spoke um regarding
the requests of the community and what people wanted to see from this construction. I definitely have to say that, you know, we got a lot of good cooperation um from Attorney Rosie as well as uh as he uh Angel Hector Hector
Angel um and uh you know, it's it's looking a lot more of what we like to see in Chelsea. I mean, a lot of people still have complaints about this being a huge building, right? It is seven floors. Um but nonetheless, it is going to be good in terms of uh providing space for housing when it comes to
families. Um, I'd like to see, you know, a percentage of these are going to be affordable. Um, that being said, you know, I think this is going to be a good decision for the city and, you know, we look forward to see um advancing beyond getting permits and then starting work
on, you know, how this construction is going to be done and hopefully we can get we can also get um, you know, some union jobs there because this city, you know, is packed with workers, members of unions. Um and overall we need we need responsible contractors to be uh to make
sure that we take care of our community. We also need to make sure that we take um advantage of apprenticeship programs um to make sure that we keep our youth employed and make sure that we also keep you know sustainable income for them. So you know overall I think this is going to be good. This is going to bring in
jobs. It's going to bring in housing. So, you know, I would say for the, you know, for as a resident of Chelsea and also as a sitting uh council member, I would say I'd support this this project. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else?
Okay. Are we prepared to debate this? I have a I'm gonna a couple questions I have of John first. And what did the planning board h the planning board have to say when they met with the proponents?
Uh the planning board um in addition to providing a recommendation, they also had uh a special permit relative to the buffer between the residential and the non-residential use and their uh major site plan and they approved both. Um they recommended approval with
conditions uh including uh standing conditions as applicable. uh residents units not eligible participate in the city's resident stick of parking program. Uh white roof uh provide a rodent control plan. Um submit a request to traffic commission to install a stop
sign on Pearl Street at the Pearl Street intersection. the construction management plan as uh attorney Russi uh um alluded to and then they also um recommended that reserve 10 parking spaces for retail users and 40 spaces
for residential use. The department recommends if they uh that they provide for shared parking use of those spaces because otherwise those uh 10 parking spaces would be empty overnight and this would provide them an opportunity to address some of the residential
Okay. And thank you about the Pearl Street recommendation. I appreciate that. I I've been telling him I really think there should be a stop sign at Pearl Street. So, um, so thoughts. What are your comments, people? So, we can all vote on this one. Not Arthur. Sorry, Arthur. You're not
because you weren't here. So, Arthur can't vote. The rest of us can. Well, first of all, actually, I apologize. First of all, process variances. Yes, we have to go through. So we need two variances for the minimum sideyard setback which should is required is 10
10 feet and it's nine and it's at nine at the narrowest part. So if I correct so it's actually 10 feet at the grade. Mhm. So it is 10 feet. What happens is we have a overhang like a bump out the dubet for design. So on the second level
it's nine feet. When I was dealing with Mike McIntye, we couldn't decide if that creates a violation or not because it's not that great. I see what you're saying. So for belt and suspenders, we put it on for relief, but this the footprint is it is the side is at 10 feet. It's just those little
design. You're underneath that you're 10 feet. The can keep that nonboxy feel, you know. And the minimum yard setback, I apologize. The minimum yard setback is you explained that in one area you had a lot of room but in the other sort on the right hand side as well on the less
room. So the ray because of the the shape and the topography of the lot because it's a different elevation in the front and the back but the it it becomes John can you pull that sorry the site plan will show it better. That little corner right there as you can see. Yeah.
It just triangles out. So if you did a 20 foot set back there, you really wouldn't have that much of a structure at the end. So that's where the see this is the the rear 20t. But to get the rear over here, it's very difficult because this shape
of this lot and this is a higher grade than here and it would end up over here. The the building it wouldn't it'd be cut up. It wouldn't make sense. And that's perfect because it segus perfectly into our conditions that we have to go through. May I have the list of conditions, please? As you know, we need um approval
on each of the conditions. The variance is sought because of soil conditions, shape or topography of such land or structure and especially affecting such lander structure but not affecting generally the zoning district in which it is located. And as I stated the shape of this lot for the rare yard setback as as a
condition, it's not a it's not a square box. It's it's a rectangle that turns into a small triangle. As a result, we can't accommodate that and make it acable structure to accommodate that setback on that one portion of the
property. People, do I get a yes or a no on that one? Joe, yes. Marilyn, yes. You go, yes. Jo, yes. Okay. Next. Literal enforcement of the provisions of this chapter would involve a substantial hardship,
financial or otherwise, to the petitioner or applicant. Of course, the hotship would be expensive because you'd have to cut the whole portion of the building on that whole right side. It'd be a financial hardship and you'd you you lose not just units, you lose inclusionary units. You couldn't build
anything there because that it's a triangle small lot. It doesn't meet front, rear, and sideyard. So, it'd be a huge hardship on it if you didn't if you cut that part of the building off. Yes, desirable relief may be granted without substantial detriment to the public good.
Yeah, it definitely won't be uh detrimental to the public good is first of all, it accommodates the behavior. We offer more affordable units as a result of that by adding those units on that side of the building and we still currently on that portion of the building is where you see Paul Pero's
structure and there so we're actually ripping out a structure that's actually in that setback and we're stepping it further away from that setback than what's existing now. So it wouldn't be detrimental because it's better than what's existing now. Okay. desirable leaf relief may be
granted without nullifying or substantially dergating from the intent or purpose of this chapter. Of course, every project stands on its own. So, this would not create presidents to any project. So, it certainly wouldn't create presence in the district for zoning, but it wouldn't be dergating for the intent of the
purpose of the chapter because the chapter tastes and conditions of shape, topography, and so forth. And this site, the way that site is built, it wouldn't it's not like a normal square box structure that's in the zoning that and the zoning for this section is
correct. I mean is what? It's what what district what kind of zoning is it? It's it's a it's a business district on it and in that that's only in the business district. Okay. Okay. So you meet those. So let's talk about it.
Um I think personally I think that um it's not an easy it's not an easy but I think that they've accommodated they've done they've made some major changes. It sounds like they've listened to the neighbors and we're not hearing any neighbors here complaining about what's
proposed. Um I think you know traffic is going to be a challenge and hopefully the coinci will coincide the construction of this will coincide with the time that they implement these changes that are needed on that area. But those are my thoughts. So what are what are people's what's the will of
people? Push your button. Push a button. I make a motion. Oh, I'd like to talk about You want to talk about it? Okay. Okay. Go. Yeah. I just I want to share my opinion because I live in this district, so I know how bad traffic is there in the
mornings. You know, I go down the street. I've been affected by the construction that's happened on Broadway, you know, and I see it every day. You know, when the schools open during the school year, the amount of traffic that piles up there from all
different directions. And I know that poo compro has been a complete eyesore for the last few years and that something needs to be done in that parcel of land, you know. Um I really would have had hoped that um I'm all for
housing. I work in the housing in housing. I'm all for affordable housing. I'm all for, you know, more apartments in the area. It's something that's needed, but I wish that it would have been a little bit smaller. I feel like
the project is still too big despite um you know um you reducing it by 20 units and changing the you know the sizes of the units and stuff. Great. You know that there's more two bedrooms and three bedrooms. Those are apartment sizes that are that are needed. A lot of the
development nowadays is one bedrooms and studios. So it's great that you guys are are doing that. But I I wish that you guys would have reduced it in size because I feel like it's going to be huge and I I feel that it's going to be beautiful, but it's going to be a
beautiful eyesore. That's how I feel about it. And I'm kind of torn because I don't know if I should vote yes on this or not. Um and um yeah, you know, 55 spaces, 100 units, seven residential spaces, that's a lot for that for that
area, for that parcel of land. Um, so yeah, like I think it's it's pretty, you know, looks pretty. You know, you you guys have listened to the community, you know, you've listened to you've gone to meetings and stuff like that. And it's unfortunate that, you know, a lot of the
residents haven't come out to speak on this. You know, I'm really surprised because, you know, there's a lot of comments on Facebook and people complaining about it, but there's nobody here talking about it. you know, we're not listening from the people that live in the neighborhood, you know, to oppose
it. So, um I'm just I'm just, you know, I really wish that you guys would have reduced it a little bit more in size because I feel even by reducing it by 20 units, I feel like it's still a lot. If I if I could. So, this is unique because it's not really one pel, it's
really three parcels. So, if you look the I'm talking about the shape of it. And we did have a lot of residents, okay, that when we had we had a meeting at Green Roots and we had a lot of residents there, okay, that talked about it. We heard a lot from the Butters and so forth and we we accommodate as many of them and there is
a a significant setback from the street. You might not see it in this because it's a we have a huge sidewalk in the front. So, it's not like right on the sidewalk where it looks, it's it's set back considerably. Yeah. What is it? How many feet total? So,
10 ft at the widest 11 ft at the widest 11 ft of sidewalks and so forth that are being built on it. But we there's there was multiple factors. If we had interest rates at three and a half% infrastructure costs that were different and the acquisition that was
considerable to buy all three parcels, you could work more. Mhm. And when you're given 15 out of those 100 units back to the city and they're all twos, predominantly twos and threes, you're dealing with 85 units. And you know, in Chelsea inclusion area isn't
as competitive as other cities, 80% AMI all across the board. You got 30, you got 50. I mean, you're losing money on essentially, you know, 12 out of those 15 units. So when that's all said and done, you're building the structure, you're doing the retail. Retail is not
something we did that to accommodate what the city wanted to do on the Broadway corridor. When it's all said and done, it's very difficult to make ends meet with this project. If we if we could have did it and shrunk it, we would have because he doesn't want to spend more than
he needs to. But we we heard we there was a lot of a butters. I can represent that. We had a meeting with Green Roots. You know, we set it up. We they put it out there. They blasted it. We had it at their location in the kitchen. Sorry, I missed it. I missed it. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. And we had city
council there. We had, you know, um the town manager was there. So, we did have a lengthy process. Okay. And we did I don't want you to think we just shoved it down. It wasn't. We heard from them and we made the changes based on them. We heard from the planning board, we made the changes on that. But when you
factor in the 15% inclusionary units, when you factor in the commercial, when you factor in the lot, and you factor in the acquisition, and you're dealing with nine time nine 10% construction cost interest rates, It's very difficult. I know. I understand the financial
aspect of it and you don't want to lose money. You know, you don't want to lose money and I I think it's great that you guys are keeping the tenants that are currently there, the commercial tenants, and you're giving them space. I think that's great. And that, you know, it's union work. I'm all for that.
You know, I just feel like the size is still, you know, if we could if we could have, but it's not se it's not seven stories. It's five stories over podium. So, if you're looking at the front, it's deceivingly different than the back. It's actually far below the height requirement in that
business district right there. I believe the height requirement is 80 feet. 80 feet and I think what are we at? 75. We're 75. No, we're less than 75. Well, 75. Yeah. Yeah. The roof. But I think but if you compare it like Okay, fine.
But like if you compare it to like the the neighborhood like what's existing there, you know, like the size of it is huge in comparison to like the I don't think we did the height elevations really to match. So the budding property is 45 ft.
Um and other 52 feet. This is going to be under 70 feet, but the business district allows just 85 feet. So we didn't we kept it below the 70 and that's at a different elevation because the grade changes in the rear and the setback. So we we
I'm I'm telling you we spent okay we did many renditions of the plans to try to make it work and honestly it has to work economically and if we didn't have this inclusionary input which my client had no problem doing it becomes a different project because it's now 85
units in commercial. So, it's not like people are dying to go into commercial spaces today. And to accommodate the tenants that want to come back in, we're trying to accommodate them at a rate that they can afford to come in. So, we're trying to satisfy everybody, but
still not lose money money. And and this is a very difficult project to do in light of that. So, but it's only five stories over podium. It's not seven stories. I don't know how that came about, but I want to clarify that. That was me. I just said it wrong. No, sorry. No, but someone brought up
again. I just want to clarify and and the biggest feedback I got from the neighbors really wasn't even the height. They were more concerned about cars, you know, traffic. Yeah. And so that's the other thing. That's the cars. But but after seeing the traffic analysis and they had the pre they had the luxury to
to hear that and the input from that and knowing that now you're not going to have all these cars coming out. you're only going to have 50 of which you know 10 go to the there and it's all during peak hours. It's far different project than polar preparer far different use and and it's two different locations of
parking and Chelsea is one of the cities that does enforce the residential sticker program and they enforce it pretty diligently. So it will take more vehicles off the street and offer affordable housing that it's needed for multifamilies. So we it was difficult to
crunch the numbers to make it work, but my client was committed to working with the neighborhood to do that. So I just want to emphasize that we did not say it wasn't just a money thing because even now the way it is now, he's looking for private money in order to finance to
make it work because a lot of lenders find a difficult time doing that with the inclusionary component because it affects the numbers with today's interest rates. But he's committed. He does a lot of projects in Chelsea and every project he's done including I can represent Representative Everett same
way and he does them does them right. I don't think when the setback is there and they're going to do that whole road over down the road that's already in the pipeline and the city's already got funding from the state. It makes that whole area wider. It doesn't have that that effect that you you're seeing in a
picture now. Sorry. Thank you Anthony. Thanks Marilyn. So Joan, yeah, I um have to agree with Marilyn. Um it's just so I keep hearing, you know, it you had to keep going back to the drawing board
to try and reinvent this that it would work and it it would work for everyone. And I just keep thinking that you can't put a square into a circle, right? So that's what makes it so difficult that
limited space. Um, I agree that it's huge for that area and it being five stories, seven stories, it being less than five feet of the the height limit. Um, 15
15, right? That that's okay. But I'm just thinking about the parking and Ellsworth Street behind and it's filling into Essex Street. All of it, right? Because no, you know, if you're working to make it a one-way folk, they're going
towards Essex Street. So, they spill the the cars, the parking already on Essex Street spills into it and then from Ellsworth, they take a a turn onto um Essex Street and then you have folks coming up from Park Street and from
Pearl Street spilling into Essex Street and it is a mess in the morning for the schools. And I'm just wondering that traffic study um thinking about during peak hours like school time because I've often had to
get out the car, double park and run through streets to get my grandson to the school because it's gridlock. It's gridlock. So just thinking about what that is going to add and then thinking about accommodating and it's a double-edged sword. So we don't want
one-bedroom apartments. We want to accommodate larger families, but with more people comes more cars comes more traffic, right? So, it's a double-edged sword, but yeah. Well, I will tell you, really concerned about that. I will tell you, we did address that in the traffic, and I'll have Scott talk a
little bit about that, but we did talk about the peak hours and the schools, but I do want to emphasize that we we're only going to have 50 spots here, 40 during the day. We're going to hopefully have 10 that can be used at nighttime when the business is, but it
won't add more vehicles because you can't because we can't get residential stickers in Chelsea. So, what's currently on site is far more traffic impactful than what being proposed. And the traffic analysis, Vanessa is probably the pioneer of traffic studies
with VHP in the state. There's nobody better than in the state. So, we're if we could get more cars to go there by having less vehicles being able to park there, it's going to limit the amount of cars coming to the site because you
can't get a residential sticker. And the two bedrooms would probably accommodate most of those residential stickers, but they couldn't get a second vehicle in parking on the street because they couldn't get a sticker. It'd be restricted. But a lot of times in most municipalities, they don't want to have more parking because if you have more
parking, you're guaranteed to have more cars. So, it's a double-edged sword. So, but since this is a city that does regulate the parking stickers, we won't create more traffic. It's going to create less. And I also want to say that the infrastructure that you current see on site now makes it more difficult
because there's no infrastructure there. So when this is built and designed and paved and sidewalks, it's far different component than what it is now, especially with the commercial use and so forth. But Scott, I know we talked about with the school because I think one of the residents brought up the
school too and you can talk about the impact with that with the school with the peak hours, but again with 50 40 really residential stickers residential in the building at during the daytime, it's dimminimous compared to what's on site. dimminimous than what could
actually be there. Um, but Scott, can you talk a little bit about that? Yeah, sure. Uh, so just a few things. Um, so as Anthony mentions, uh, 40 parking spaces for the residential, even if they were to all exit at the
same time or or all exit in the morning, it's not likely that they would do that in the same 60-minute time period because most people, you know, in a in a in any given household, people don't always leave at 7:30 or at 8:00 or or at
at 8:30. :30 together, right? So, so there's going to be some variation in the in the exiting time for people in the morning. We did do counts when school was in session. So, we captured the pedestrian volumes. We captured the
the the volumes of the of the parents dropping their kids off at at school. I think what uh what Anony's uh referring to with the existing or with the former polio restaurant that was likely I mean
that type of of highintensity kind of fast food restaurant could generate you know 200 trips in a in a peak hour where we're looking at 20 in the morning for this site. So, I I do understand your concerns and I I do agree that there's a
lot of congestion in in the area, specifically going down towards Broadway, but but this project isn't going to to have a major impact on that congestion. We're looking at traffic volume increases of between 2 and 2.2%.
So when you get outside of those intersections that we studied, it's really a a minor minimal impact. Hope that answers your question. It did. Thank you. And I was just thinking about the retail spaces, right? And if there's 10 allotted spots, seven
10 spots. Yes. Sorry. Yeah. and wondering how productive you know the business would be there if so what if it's high season for shopping and things like that and you know it more folks are coming in to patronize
the businesses there um and there's only seven spots for them right so what happened so there's 10 there's 10 spots them I'm sorry there's seven retail I apologize seven retail but really three or four of the retail are going to be combined to accommodate the retail that's currently
on site. The dry cleaners in the convenience store because the size of the dry cleaners in the size of the convenience store. So really we might have three possibly four smaller retail shops on the corner. The current uses now don't even have any parking on it.
We It's supposed to be a neighborhood dry cleaners and neighborhood convenience store. It will stay a neighborhood dry cleaners convenience store. So as far as parking wise, it's not going to be any different than it was a month ago. Uh, it's still it's still active. Bold stores are still
active. Nothing is changing. The three other spots that are there, they're not large spaces, Joe. We did it to accommodate what the city wanted to see in the Broadway corridor. So, we're looking at where when we talk to neighbors, some type of neighborhood uses in there to so they incorporate
that into the building, whether it's daycare or what haveot, but something that works with the neighborhood. It's not done for financial means because you lose money in today's world for the commercial paying the taxes and what have not and getting that type of use. The 10 parking spots are really more to
accommodate employee parking and so forth. And the reason why um we agree with John in recommending that those become residential at nighttime because when the stores closed, we should have the tenants be able to occupy it. But no, those type of uses there, they're
not going to be restaurant uses. They're not going to be people that are going to drive in park. It's more to be something to accommodate the neighborhood. And that's why we did the smaller spaces there because now that we're going to try to incorporate the dry cleaners and the convenience store, they're going to take, you know, a good portion of that
retail, you know, we made them so they can open up to that. So, we're going to have small uses in there that might be even amenity space down the road just for the building and and to deal with the neighborhood. And that's why we did it. We did it to to get that Broadway corridor. It's not to create significant
re revenue because if you break even, you'll be lucky, you know, on it. It's more to to follow that the city's master plan on the Broadway corridor. Thank you. Thank you. I just want to one comment and it's it's
this is usually we're always looking for um extra parking here in the city and this is probably one circumstance where the limited amount of parking is actually a benefit to what's proposed in the area. than if there were if we met all of the you know I I think that it
would be impossible to try to meet what was required by by law here. But with and again and I'm not minimize I I it's not my favorite part of the city to drive through. But um but also you're with the fact that there's only 50, it is a relatively small number compared to
what's going on. But that's just my comment. So, do we have um any other questions or any thoughts before we have Well, we need a proposal anyway and then we can vote on it. So, Joe, did you you wanted to make push the button? Push the button.
We all set. All set. Uh with regards to case 2024-26 105 115 Park 12 Essex one Elsworth 115 Park Street LLC
uh for special permit and variance make a recommendation that it be approved based on the conditions necessary as stated in the paper as articulated ated earlier by the by John.
Yeah. Do we have a second? You go. So, we're going to do a vote. Joan. You go. Yes. Joe. Yes. Marilyn, do whatever you feel like. Dr. Wood. Yes.
And I'm Yes. You better make this work. We're going to make it work. Thank you, members of the board. Thank you, Madam Chairman. Thank you, John. Thank you, Sorry, the next one in front of us is 18 2025-02 18 and 24 Grand View Road, Elmer
Castillo for special permanent variance seeking approval for the subdivision of the below reference property and the construction of a two family dwelling at 18 Grand View Road with an existing one family dwelling to remain at 24 Grand View Road, which fails to meet the following. Lot one through 24 Grand View
Road fails to meet the minimum requirements for um lot for lot size. Lot two 18 Grand View Road fails to meet the minimum requirements for lot size. Front side setback, combined sideyard setback, front yard setback, and off- streetet parking as well as maximum
requirement for lot coverage. Arthur is not going to be voting on this. Um do we have do we have um those go here first? Okay. Okay. Do we um is is the um is the interpreter here? Is the interpreter
here? Yes. Okay, good. Okay. If anybody needs interpretation, it's in the back. Um Joan can do this though, right? Joan John Joan can do this. Yes. Okay. But Arthur cannot. Um okay. Could you please um present us
where you are and update us since you're last you were last before us? So, we have gone before the planning board. Introduce yourself, please. I'm sorry. That's Yes. Who am I? Um, Rebecca Edmonson Cororum. I represent
the owner, Mr. Castillo. Um, who is behind us over here. Where's Elmer? There he is in the back. Excellent. I'm here with our architect, our architect, Edomir, as well as our civil engineer as well to present to you tonight. uh we were just passed by the
planning board at the June meeting. Um but just a little about um the design but also the history of the plot itself. Um so this lot these lots were created in a subdivision in 1988
which I I was going to say was 20 years ago but sadly it's like 38 years ago. Um, so 24 Grand There's two lots together that Mr. Castillo bought. It was it's 24 and that has an existing um building on
it and next to that it is a undeveloped lot um which is 18 Grand View. both this lot of 18 Grand View was subdivided with the plot next to it uh located at 14 Grand View in 1988.
Uh in 1988 the dimensions of course were very different for lot size and these were approved u by the planning board or maybe we didn't I didn't see a sign signed uh decision. I just saw that the myar was on. Hold on one second. We're just having
problem technical problems. having technical problems opening your I'm sorry. I'm having technical problems opening the Oh, okay. I have that effect on computers. So, apologies. Excellent.
Go ahead. Okay, I'm gonna take it from the top again. Uh, my name is Rebecca Edmonson Corum. Everybody calls me Dee. I am the council of record for Mr. Castillo who is the owner. He is sitting in the back. And our architect and our uh civil engineer are both here this evening as
well to speak on behalf of the project. uh both from an architectural standpoint and also for the um irrigation uh mitigation systems that we put into place. Um we were originally
originally uh we were uh proposing a duplex. We have scaled that back to a single family. Um and this is the design that we're presenting today with this picture in the middle of between these two u existing structures. Uh we are
presenting to you today a single family uh that was passed in the June meeting. Just a bit about the lot of 18 Grand View. The lot was created in 1988 by subdivision with the house on the left hand side 14 Grand View. Um, it has been
a an undeveloped lot since 1988. The dimensionality of the lot was of course in uh in conformity with what the zoning regulations were for lot size in 1988 in Chelsea um which was
around 40 feet for uh frontage and um about 4,000 square ft in size. So we have um it's 4,131 square feet in size which is which is one of the re one of the variances that
we are seeking today is for lot size and also for um frontage as well. Um and then uh so what are we proposing in our uh we have a one bed we have a four bedroomedroom two and a half bath uh
proposed single family structure uh with a garage included. It's under kind of an underground in the in the hill garage um with two parking spaces. So it is parking compliant as well. When we have when we first started our endeavor I think we were seeking six variances.
Today we are only see seeking three two of which we do not we can't control it's um lot size and frontage u because that is from the left over from the 1988 subdivision but we are seeking also a variance for the front yard setback. Uh
the reason for that is because we want uh per the ordinance that they like conformity uh in in the in the front yard setback for the ex the structures on either side at 14 and 24 um are 10
feet back. We have also proposing ours at 10 feet as well um to be in conformity. I don't I always call it like um it kind of looks like the missing tooth if it's set 20 feet back. Um and so those are the those are the variances that we are seeking today. Um
John, I just want to clarify a point. So we see here in your in your what you've written here under 18 grand. Okay. So 18 Grand View is actually 24 and it's is really 14 and 18. What am I seeing there? Uh my client there are two separate lots
but they were not in common ownership. But now that they're in common ownership, we have to um do it this way. No, but but I'm So, but I'm seeing 18 Grand View and 14 Grand View. So, correct. Um we also have to have a
special permit because now 24 Grand View is non-conforming. Is that still correct, sir? Mr. Depri. Yes. Okay. Okay. Um so that is we're we're not seeking a variance on that. It's just a special permit to continue in all uh non-conforming. So, John, are they technically now two? Are they separate
lots now? Uh, there are you have one deed, correct? On both lots. Two deeds. Oh, yeah. Two deeds. Okay. So, they're technically the tech legally they're two separate lot for zoning purposes. They are one because they are owned under the
same ownership. Okay. So, they merge for zoning purposes, meaning um they have to they have to use both of them to meet the minimum lot sizes and setbacks and for um open space. Okay. So, in order in order to do this, they
will have to legally separate it with these um uh variances in order to uh allow them to be basically buildable lots. That is correct. And then they would be severed. Is that what you're saying? So, in doing this, we give them the opportunity if we did this that they
would then sever the lot. I mean, I'm just trying to be clear about just what we're looking at. They they would be separate buildable lots. separate bill, but right now they're one lot only for zoning. Only for zoning purposes, but legally they're taxed as two lots. That is correct. Yes.
Okay. All right. That's legislative. Okay. Thank you. Oh. Um and just the reason why Grand View is the size it is is explained here. Uh it was a larger lot, but it was subdivided in uh 1988 into two separate
lots. uh with the already existing structure at 14 Grand View uh to the 4124 square feet and then created the 18 Grand View lot at 4131 square ft. Um so that's why we have a little lot. Um but it also is conforming to all the other
lots in the in the block and in the neighborhood as well. Um they're very again I'm still going to So we're looking at 18 and 24. Where does 14 Grand View fall into our deliberations? It does not. So where is 14 physically?
It's right next to 18. Um if you go back to the front um the the first slide, the 14 is over here. Uh and 24 is over here. These are two pre-existing uh structures that were prior I think 1943 and I'm not
quite sure on the year that uh 14 was built, but it um so just a kind of they they were they have been there for quite some time. The structure at 14 was there dur at the subdivision um in 19. So I know it's at least built in 1988.
So the 14 the structure at 14 exists. Yes. Okay. There you go. And yes and so we're not even thinking about that in this as part of this discussion. Okay. That's what I was just so what we have is a a lot that has been um undeveloped since its subdivision in
1988 which I thought was 20 years ago but sadly it's 30ome years ago. Uh so just to the very last slide just kind of spells out what we're what relief we're seeking this evening from the board. Uh we are looking for three
variances for at the very last slide. Pretty pleased. Um and here's our zoning chart and that can explain a little bit more. We have three variances obviously for lot size and for frontage um because that was non-conforming. Um, and also
for the front yard setback, it's supposed to be 20, but both 14 and 24 are set back only 10 feet. And we would like to be conforming with the left and the right structures. So we have one consistent uh street streetscape.
And also we have to have a um special permit for 24 Grand View as well. And so I'm going to turn it over. I'm sorry. That 24 would be a variance because it's lot area. I'm sorry. 24 would be a variance because it's lot area.
Dimensional. I was told a special permit in the beginning, but if it's changed, that's totally fine. Then I am seeking a variance, sir. Thank you. Um, thank you for the clarification. I um I'm going to turn it over to uh our architect, Mr.
um for explanation on the the design. Hi everyone. Can you please open the project? It's easier for you can just pick up the mic. Yeah, sure. Can you please open the project? Can you please open the project?
Introduce yourself please for me. My name is Sadimir. I am Adamir Tosska. I am the designer for the project located at 18 Grand View. Sorry, I'm having trouble with uh uh opening your your presentations. Let's
try this. Nope. I don't know why it's doing it. I want folks. This what you're looking for? Yes. PDF. Can you go to the next slide? Next one. So as DD was describing the
project is around 2,800 square feet. We this is uh I got I got it from our surveyor. So we are the required setback sitting right on the required setback and require rear setback. So that's the front setback that we we're looking for
relief. If you go to the next just let me I it says where we've got a presentation that says proposed new duplex. Uh that's but you're telling me this is okay this is a one correct the title correct correct so we started with a planning board with two and then we got
some feedback from them and we swap it the design to a single family. So if you go to the next slide. So this is the garage where I have located two car garage with a double door and a curb cut proposed curb cut. Uh locating the
trionary cycle putting the unsavvated area because that's what we need to park two cars. So we're not going to excavate in that section because of the the grading that comes really high. And if you scroll down this is the proposed first floor where we have the stair
coming up. We have like the kitchen, guest room, having a bathroom, dining area, and the living area on the first floor and having two sliders as a Juliet style balcony. And if you scroll down, that's the
second floor where we're locatedating the three bedrooms and the two baths and the laundry. So each floor the first floor is around 1432 square ft and the second floor is 1377 which gets a total of around 2,800 ft² habitable space
and we we have done if you scroll down that's the what's the full what's the total square footage around 28 28 100 square feet habitable space so I I try like let's look in the Google map to build the left and right
buildings so Everyone can see the relation of the proposed building with the left and right. So that's the proposed front elevation and uh there's a proposed right elevation and if you scroll down is the rear and the left uh elevation of the
building. There's the rear and that's the left side. Also I've done uh I've done the shadow study. If you I mean these are some renderings to see like the relation of the building with the surrounded buildings.
The trees are uh are designed from uh our landscape designer. I try to find the approximately tree that she specified but that's based on uh her design from our landscape. And uh can you open the videos of the uh shadow
study? We done the shadow study as well. Is that it? Nope. Was that in what you sent me today? There's an email from me and yeah,
Shadow said probably, but also it's in your folder like I'm having trouble if you're able to open. I'm having trouble opening things in the folder. Yeah, but I can try. So that's the shadow study on December
21. I also included the time at 7:30 a.m. in the morning and then 12:00 p.m. No, I'm sorry. I was watching soccer that day. So, it recorded the I'm sorry about that. I
was listening to a soccer while I was working and it's I didn't know that the the voice the voice was like recorded. I'm sorry about that. That's all my fault. So that's on June 21st, 7 a.m. in the morning. So that's the building and you
can see how the shadow is. That's at 12:00 p.m. Did your team win? Yeah, sorry about that. And you can see the only time that it affects the other building is on June 21st at 5:45 p.m. it
affects only the first floor of uh the other building. But we are in both sides. We are within the setbacks. And uh can you please open the uh storm water design and our civil is with us here. He can explain.
I'm sorry. I the the storm water design. I don't see it here. Um, was it in a separate storm water? email it to you really quick. I can email it to you really quickly, sir, to
put it at your top of the queue. It's just a site plan with a with irrigation. So, this is Okay. or in your inbox. I'm sorry. I just sent it to Sorry, I just sent it to your inbox, sir.
Should be from around April 22nd. I'm sorry. So, what what was the date? I'm sorry. April 22nd. I think also I had sent you there's like a a Dropbox with a bunch of stuff in it
too, but I just sent the engineering design to the top of your queue in your email just in case. That I'm sorry. The acoustics in here are horrible. Just to put it at the top of the queue. Yeah, I'm not I'm not getting anything. Yes, sir. No problem.
It could take it could take a while to get. It's fine. I I'll just have Mr. uh our engineer come up to explain uh about the flow flu flow through foundation that we have and also some other mitigating water mitigation tactics that we have employed.
Thank you. We'll keep looking but that'll be helpful. Okay. Yeah. Leonard Buffard, civil environmental consultants in 8 Oak Street in Puberty, Mass. Um, the client is
proposing to build the single family structure. The site is sloped down from the back towards the street which is sidewalk which creates some issues because you build into the you
build into the u the hill which creates minor issues that are not major unless it's major. Um what we're proposing to do um is the infiltration system is currently designed to go underneath the slab of
the garage with at the at the back of sidewalk. We're going to have if I remember correctly a trench drain flowing then it'll flow into the garage since it's a essentially a slab on grade. anything that's underneath it is just ground and then uh the storm water
will just uh flow into the ground and discharge subsurfacely. The roof runoff will be just going down spouts and routed into this infiltration system as well. And then any proposed patio areas
we're doing pvious pavers for the driveway. Yeah, we're going to and for further mitigation, the proposed driveway is going to have pvious pavers which will help diminish the amount of water that flows into the trench drain that ends up into the infiltration system because it'll just go into the
ground where it falls in the non-pervious areas or yeah, no, in the pvious areas, excuse me. Uh, that's pretty much it. the um the way
the ground slopes any ah there we go. So the uh system will be designed according to city uh city Chelsea and uh mass D regulations to handle uh whichever storm is needed for the
necessary the city uh um state requires it to be able to run the 25-year storm and I don't remember Chelsea off the top of my head and uh so this is all going to be in the garage and then the downspouts are going to be here and then they're
just going to flow basically to the face to the garage and then go underneath into the current the cult system in the ground. Right now everything kind of flows that way. This way all the water that falls
onto the roof should all flow right into there except for the really really large stones that we all hate. That's pretty much it. the um the sewer and the water will be designed according to the the Chelsea regulations with a
6-in sewer and a one-inch water going connecting into the city system. We're not currently we're not going to be connecting into the city storm system. The only time water should overflow out of the system is for storms that exceed
25 years about six inches of rain in 24 hours. If I remember correctly, that's the only time the system should searchcharge, which the way the system designed the searchcharge point would be actually be the trench drain because that's the lowest point of the system
above ground. That's pretty much it. More questions. You have questions. Um there is um city I think a drain or main hole on on the front of the this lot. Is that going to be in the way on the driveway
currently? No. No. It's be right to the side. Please use the microphone. Please use the microphone. I'm sorry. No. The catch basin will be right here in the street and the sidewalk ends about I mean the curb line is proposed to end a couple feet
depending on your point of view away from it. So it'll be essentially this will be the catch basin and that would be the driveway over there about that distance about two feet to the driveway to the catch basin. But there shouldn't
be minimal runoff. It's what flows there now should flow there now after this is done. It shouldn't be any increase. Okay. Um other question is uh what's half a bathroom? Why you consider half a bathroom?
Half a bathroom is considered only a a sink and a toilet. Because the plan shows uh three full bathrooms. Yes. Yeah. Three bathrooms. No. No. But is full? Yes. Three full bathrooms. But the other paper says two and a half or two two and
yeah two bath unit two and a half. Sorry for the confusion but sorry for the confusion. Yeah, three full bathrooms. It go with the plans. My my summation was changed. So what is it? Three full baths or three and a half baths? Three full baths. Three full baths.
Okay. Thank you. That's an awfully large house. It seems to me four bedrooms seems like quite a large house. John, what would what and they need parking relief based on that size? No, no. In the A1 district for one family,
it's two spaces per unit per for the whole household. Oh, two spaces for the house. So, there don't need parking relief on that regardless of the number of bedrooms. Okay. Any other questions before I open to the public? Is there anybody here who wishes to
speak on this matter? Please int introduce yourself um and give your name and address. Name and address. Good evening. My name is Mary Dzy and I live at 50 Fremont Avenue in Everton. I'm here to help represent Barbara Lawler who lives across the street 24
Grand Road. Barby's going to represent me. Barbara, speak into the microphone. Just Barbara just say that specifically into the microphone. Your name and address. Babala at 23 Grand View Road, Chelsea, and my niece will represent me. Thank you.
Hi, good evening. Um, I know it's been a while since we've been here. Um, so they have modified the plan to a one family and it is smaller. However, um, I don't know if you have a copy of the initial petition with all of the signatures from the neighbors with you from the last
meeting. Um there's still a lot of concerns on that petition that I'd just like to um quickly readress just to review because it's been a while. Um so the first talks about um the watershed and and I'm not talking about storm
drainage. Storm drainage, you know what? Great job. I'm talking about watershed runoff way under the ground. Um when you put a foundation, especially on a slope and across the street at my aunt's house, it it drops significantly. she has to walk down two huge flights of
stairs to her house. Um, that's going to change the trajectory of storm of water, rain water or whatever underneath the ground. Um, and that could it could rroot the water and it could flood her out. You we don't know where it will go. You can't tell. Um, I personally had
that happen years ago when I lived on Harvard Street below the Wooden Hospital. they put in a new little circle uh er and the next rainstorm I ended up having to buy a sub pump and a French drain, you know, $12,000 later. So, it it can happen. And uh that's my
experience. And when you put the foundation in, they're directly above her. We're not sure where now the natural water flow will go. And not the storm drainage off the roof or anything what they spoke about, but the underground, the watershed actually. That that's the concern. Um that's their
concern that still remains. Uh, I also have some pictures that I'd like to go over with you of the property just so you could see um comparison what it really looks like. You can share those with you can share those with um with the chair and then I mean with the
Well, I mean if you have copies Yeah. But we want them to be part of the record. Okay. So here They all the same. Okay. They're the ones. So, um on the slides, if you look at um in one of the pictures here,
uh one of our main concerns is parking. Um, and if you look at their slide from um, sorry, reading GL uh, A4.0, it was this slide here and it shows the house and actually where this grass is
is a a double driveway that he had put in about a year ago. So you could see that picture. You could see that picture in the group here. Can you come up a little closer so we can see what pictures you working? Yeah. But
no, I mean what what what were you just pointing out? Okay. Oh, okay. That Okay. Okay. Yeah. I wasn't sure. So, if you go back and look at the
pictures that I uh presented, um the first thing is here, this one, this is now where that grass is that I showed you on the side of the house. So, that's two full parking spots taken off last year on the street. And parking is a real challenge up there because they get
the overflow from the Whitten Hospital uh parking and also um losing spots is detrimental to the people on the odd side of the street at 23 Grand View because their home is on a slope and it's impossible. They can never add a driveway. They can't say, "Well, all
right, we'll just get a driveway. It's not um physically possible or financially equitable." even if they did find a way, um it's it's too high of a slope to their house. Um that would be the first thing. And then
I also put in a picture here if you'd like to see. This is what it looks like right from across the street. This is the lot they're talking about building on. Which one are you looking at? This Yep. So it's right across the street. So it would be
Oh, this. Oh, this one. Y microphone. Um ju just to give you some idea of So then Valerie at 14 Grand View Road, that house is going to be pretty much 10 feet at most away from hers. I'm going to
show you another picture right after that one in the pile. And it just shows the property line fence and she has a like a 2.10 10 foot pathway to their property line on the side of their house. When you're saying she, who were you talking about? I'm sorry, Valerie. At 14 Grand View
Road. So, and she's concerned um about the shadow study because Valerie, have you given her the authority to speak on your behalf? She can, but I'll give up. Yep. Okay. Sorry. I'm just I'm sorry. Sorry, I was just going uh through the pictures. Um
and the next picture after that should be a picture of Grand View Road and how narrow it is. Um their other concern is the curb cut for the new driveway and the new garage. So now Barbara, her stairs are directly
across from that. So that's where she would have to park. And uh people backing in and out. As you can see, there's barely enough room for one car to fit up that street. Um, sometimes the garbage people have to ask people to move their cars so they can fit to
collect the trash. So, it is a very narrow uh backing in and out of that driveway. And it also will take up another two parking spots off the street. So, that will be four spots taken off the street in less than two years for parking. Plus, they also have
a little curb cut from when Mr. Insertto originally owned that house. He used to have a garage under that house and then they they don't use it as a garage anymore. I think I don't know. I think it was just convert converted and there's a door there. No, there are no more garage doors there, but the curb cut is still there.
Okay. And then so the concern with parking is that four bedrooms that could be Oh, so I'm gonna let Valerie speak to that. I apologize. that's shows some lighting that goes into her home. I apologize. Um I just we had uh developed
them together so I so I apologize. Um so and the next part is um that I'd like to talk about that's Valerie is um the accessory dwelling unit. I
mean we could be right back with a two family there again because of the new law with accessory dwelling units. um they can automatically put one in, which concerns me because there's a lot of bathrooms in the house already pre-made. I don't really know what they're going to do, what their plans are, but I mean
it it's an easy switch. So then we're back to the same problem with the two family that was originally the original design. Um Oh yeah. And that's it. Um, would anybody need to see an extra copy of the original the
petition and the signatures? We have those. Okay, you have all that in record. Okay. And I think that's about it for now. Um, if I think of anything else, I'll come back up. But I think Valerie would like to speak. What was this one?
Don't Don't tell me if you're not at the microphone. That picture that you held up, Madam Chair, is the uh distance between Barbara and uh her brother Frank's house. It we were going to only use it if we needed it, but the discussion didn't come up. But basically, it just
shows that the house is on the other side of the street that do have in-law apartments um the width of the entire street. Uh Barbara is pretty much almost towards the right across from the petitioner which is almost towards Somerset Street and Frank's house is all the way down at the other end at the
bottom of Perkins. So we just wanted to show the difference in land space between two houses from one area to the other. Okay. Thanks. Good evening. My name is Valerie Green. Uh my husband and I purchased 14 Gramview Road back in 1998.
Um been there a long time. Um I was here earlier for the first meeting and I just want to reiterate some of my concerns. They really haven't changed much. I'm concerned about the parking especially on street cleaning days. Um there's very minimal parking. It's a very small street and like Mary said, the employees
of the Wooden Hospital instead of using the provided shuttle from down behind the church on uh Nickel Street, they tend to park on our street, which we can't do anything about. It's public parking. It's um only residential after
12:00. So, um but it causes a a problem for people who don't have garages or who can't use their garage. Um, I don't know what year my house was built, but my car won't fit in my garage. So, I cut I park right in front of my house where the
curb cut is, not to take up another space. Um, I'm also still concerned about the loss of my sunlight on that side of the house. Um, as you can see in some of those pictures, there's a a lot between my house and 24 Grand View Road. Um,
when we purchased the house, that was owned by Mr. Mr. Enserto who also owned 24 Grand View Road and um couple years after we moved in had my son they Mr. Enserto offered us to buy back that land and at the time we couldn't couldn't
afford it which just wasn't in the cards. Um so we didn't but he had you know he had told me that he couldn't build on it. He planted thousands of dollars of trees and bushes and his wife tended to it all all the time. Um, and
it was nice because it's a little oasis to come home after working in Boston all day and going to your own property and being able to sit out in the yard and not being on top of someone else like some of the other areas of the city. Um, I'm concerned about losing a lot of sunlight on that side of the house. I
know in the winter months when the sun goes down earlier, we do have some like green moss on the side of the house that we have to take care of. And if there's a permanent house built that close to my property, I'm concerned about what's going to happen to the side of my house as far as moisture and stuff like that
without the sunlight. Um, I'm also concerned about privacy. Um, you can put trees up, you can do whatever you want, but that house is going to be blocking that whole side of my house. Um, and in one of the pictures
right here, this is a sensor light that belongs to the house at 24 Grand View Road. There's a whole lot of land between the two houses. And this is what I see at night when someone a coyote runs by or a rabbit runs by. This is
what comes into my bedroom. I can't imagine having something so close to my property line and not having something worse than this. And if you want to build trees and put everything in there to block that out, that just creates less sunlight for me, which is a
concern. Um, I'm still concerned about the water runoff. That land has never been developed on. I'm worried about the excavation and what it could do to my property if it's going to destabilize my home where it's been there so long. um when we do have really severe storms, we
don't have we do have a little water that comes up through the basement through the dirt and I'm wondering how this is going to affect that if we're actually going to get inches of water instead of a puddle or two. Um and I just
making this a single family versus a two family hasn't changed my concerns. Um, I've been a homeowner there for a long time. And I bought it because of the amount of land we had and because of the privacy we had and it's just it's not your typical Chelsea Street and I'd hate
to see it change and I just wanted to voice some of my concerns. Thank you for listening. Thank you. Is there anyone else who wishes to speak on this? I'm going to close the public participation portion of this. John, what did what did the planning board
say? Planning board recommended approval with standing conditions as applicable. Uh use of permeable pavers or pavement. Uh submit to um by department landscape plan and a lightning plan and all lights to be all exterior lights to be
international docu association compliant and provide a rodent control plan. John, what what based on their changes, what variances are required? Um, the variance for the 24 grand view is still the same. It's the mean uh
minimum lot size for the uh 18 grand view, it is the minimum lot size, the front yard setback, the combined minimum sideyard width, the minimum frontage, and the maximum lot coverage.
So, we still have five. Uh John um their new proposal only has minimum frontage, minimum lot size and then um minimum front yard setback. That is for their original proposal that it was listed. Okay. So four. So say again minimum Say it again, Adam.
It's only three. It's minimum lot size or it's only three for 18 Grand View. There's still the minimum lot size for 24 Grand View, but then it's minimum lot size for 18, minimum frontage for 18, and minimum front yard setback for 18.
Okay, I stand corrected. Okay, let's walk through the variances. So, um I guess we start we should probably do them by parcel. Um we we'll combine the
18s together but let's go through the minimum lot size requirements based on for 24 first. Well I guess well whatever. Yeah. So let's go through them. The variance is sought because of soil conditions shape or topography of such land or structure and especially
affecting such land or structure but not affecting generally the zoning district in which it is located. For 24. Yeah. All right. So we are asking for a variance from the current standards because this was a subdivided
lot that was created in on 1980 199 1988 standards um uh and cannot be changed um plus also the reason why we're asking for the variances as well um because as
far as the front yard setback is in the zoning code itself it it says that let's stick with 24 first for okay 24 oh I thought we were talking with 18. No. Well, 24 only has the one. So, let's start with It does have only the one. My apologies, Madam Chair. Let's start with 24. That's 24. Um, it is a already a a
non-conforming structure, a non-conforming lot um with a probably a non-conforming structure as well. Um, we are asking for the lot size which was created in 19 17 I think. Is that that was 1916 or 17?
17. I was a good year. 1917. And um so we cannot change you know that was created in a very long time ago and we cannot um uh do anything with it especially with a pre-existing probably non-conforming structure upon it from the 1950s 45 I
think actually people yes or no I'm sorry built in 43 okay so uh the structure on 24 was built in 1943
oh 43 okay the structure Okay. The literal enforcement of the provisions, again, we're still sticking with 24. Literal enforcement of the provisions of this chapter would involve a substantial hard strip financial otherwise to the petitioner or applicant. Uh the applicant uh is the owner of 24 and
cannot uh change the change the lot size in any way. Um if he cannot even further subdivide it because it is too small for what is on there today. Uh so therefore we're asking for u the little in the literal enforcement would be a
substantial hardship for him both financial and otherwise as well. I don't see that. You don't see that? You think that's a no? That's okay. I mean, we don't it's
Joe. Who knows? I hate being the decider. Um, I don't see it. I don't see it. I'm sorry. I'm No. So, if we have no, it's no. on that one. But then do we still go on to 24 to 14?
18. 18. 18, I'm sorry. Well, unless the grant the variance for the uh 24, you need you need variances for both lots in order for this to go through.
I Yes, I understand. I can I say one thing, please? Yeah. I mean, we you have a a neighborhood that is the same lot sizes all throughout. This is the only undeveloped lot in the neighborhood and they all
have we are but you've asked us to whether or not there's a substantial hardship financial otherwise to the petitioner applicant and I think you've heard three of us say that we we haven't been convinced that that's the case. And what would convince you? Um, I don't
know at this point to be honest. I don't know. I don't I I haven't I don't know. I just It's I'm sorry. I'm going to say it's no. We're not going to debate it. I'm not going to debate it. I think the answer you're not going to get us to I don't think you're going to be able to agree on we're not going to be able to
qualify all the conditions of the variance at this point. Anything else, John? I I want to do this properly so I don't Right. I would suggest I would suggest that you review the other variances as well. Oh, as well. Okay, let's go through
them. A desirable relief may be granted without substantial detriment to the public good. Don't tell us. Sorry. uh we are in a housing crisis and we need to develop all pieces of developable land and it is a very urban
environment and even on Grand View and every every lot in Grand View is developed. Um and it would be I think it would be a detriment both to the land owner who can't develop his own land plus also the Chelsea the city of Chelsea that would be missing out on an
even higher tax for the for the for the single family itself. Um, and also it would be family housing that the city of Chelsea wants and needs as we were discussing earlier with Anony's project. Um, you know, I this is a piece of land
that has just remained. Um, number one, people are worried about irrigation and things like that. Um, there is no irrigation. There is no mitigation for the water runoff right now. It just is what it is because it's wild. Um, you know, I think in one thing it would stop
the runoff and help with the water mitigation in the area because we're going to help the land be transformed. Um, and it's going to help 24. It's going to help 14. And I I believe it's going to help the ladies uh at the bottom of the hill as well. Um, I do not
believe we're substantially dare. I'm sorry. I'm going to go on to number four just to throw it in. Let's do Let's do number three. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. Three. I don't think it's a death to the public good for those reasons. No. Yes. No.
Are you plugged on? Are you on? Joe, you want something? Yes or no, Joe? Yes. You go. No. No. And I would have said yes on that one. I don't think I don't think it's a
dimensional public good. Desirable relief may be granted without nullifying or substantially dergating from the intent or purpose of this chapter. I I believe this Chelsea zoning code is designed to build on places in places
smart design, urban design. Um it is a dense neighborhood already. Uh every every plot in the block is is almost 4,000 to 5,000 square foot and below what the current standard is for lot size. Um and therefore I don't think
we're but your code makes provisions for small lot sizes. It's why we have variances and things like that. Many projects go through. You have a piece of land that's developable. I don't think it's going to sub nullify or substantially derate what you already have in within your ordinance.
Joan. Yes. You go. Yes. Joe. Yes. Yes. Yes. But that's still But we're not but we're not going to detail. We're two and two, right? Yeah.
One and four. I what' you say once more? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. who I thought I was like we had a we had I think we're still I think we're still you know I don't know I don't I don't see myself changing my thoughts on two
is there anything that we can do with the design that would you know we have gone through three rounds with the planning board and we have heard and tried to respond as much as possible to the neighbors concerns um that's why we put in a whole irrigation
system and and paid paid u an engineer to come out and do the survey and do it and make sure that we had something to ele to mitigate their fears. Um we're we're not unkind about their fears. Um we will do the lighting as the piran
board. We tried to do everything in respect but you know my client bought a piece of land and hopefully you know and he wants to create generational wealth and basically he wanted to create a house so his kids will eventually have a place to go live instead of with him and his wife. Uh so this is what one of the
reasons why he's building next door uh and bought the land as well. So my you know my client uh Elmer is a hardworking man. He came here um immigrated here many years ago has his own company now. He's going to be the GC on the project himself. So it's not going to be an outside company. It's going to be my my
client and uh a family-owned business building next door to himself. And so and he wants to be a good neighbor. He did create a his own parking uh a curb cut for his own parking um at 24 because he has a wife, a son, and a daughter
that all have cars. So now that we didn't want to park on the street and I don't think he should be dinged on having taking up a curb cut to make a and we haven't considered that as part of Well, that was that was one of the things stated that four parking spaces have been gone. So, you know, he has a right to have his own parking
uh lot and you know, we also I think he also has a right to come and petition to develop the land that's undeveloped. And and I don't and I and please don't take this in I mean in any sarcastic way. He also has the right to petition. He also has the right to appeal our our decision. Absolutely. So, I mean I think that what we've heard
here is that we are we're you've heard our decision. So, Joe Marilyn, did you want to say something? You don't have to. I mean, but you said you know. Okay. So, I think so at this point you're we're do we we don't have to vote, right? You know, just to ask though, is there
anything in the design or any conditions that we could put forward? You know, if there were, I think that we would probably tell you, I think, at this point, it's worth asking. No, no, it is. And and I appreciate you doing that. And and and um and we appreciate that you've worked with it's
you know, having variances are are are tough for you. You know that as well as anybody. And it seems at this point that it's just some a bridge too far I think potentially and with us being able to find the conditions to meet the conditions here. Thank you. What formally do we need to
do? John, um you they don't you've determined that they don't meet the conditions of a variance for uh for your for what you believe. So, um,
no, that's it. We don't have to You didn't get You didn't get the variance, so it's over. Yeah. I don't know. I just I I just want to properly do it and make sure that she gets all of her rights there, all of their rights preserved. So, I just want to make sure that we're handling it properly.
And so that's so we we cannot come to consensus on the variances. Therefore, the petition does not go forward. Well, if you if you wish to take a vote on it, you may. Okay. So, someone makes a motion. But then So, do we choose to take a vote on it? I
mean, you you can make a motion for or against and then a person can vote based on that. But it seems as though it's it's it's not relevant because we have agreed on the variance as not being relevant. So, I mean, your vote would be no because it does not meet the Yeah, we we've already agreed it doesn't meet the variance. I'm sorry. So, I think we've agreed that it does not meet
the variance. Did I I I would prefer a formal vote if you don't mind, Madam Chair. Okay. Well, so we can make a motion. All right. So, Marilyn, would you like to would you like to make a motion that we approve this? At which point we could say no because we can't we can't.
All right. So I make a motion to approve case number 2025-0218 and 24 Grand View Road Elmo Castillo for special permit and variance. Joan, we voting to we've we've already voted
that we're not comfortable with that. You just she she we are formally we've the council's asked that we make a formal vote. So we the vote was to approve but now your answer to that would be yes. No. Yep. You've already voted no. Someone has a second. Somebody has to second the motion.
Okay. Second the motion. And do we have a mo on based on that? What's our vote? No. You go. No. No. No. And that's based on the varian decisions. Thank you. Thank you.
The next one in front of us is 20250413 Medford Street. Alex. Yeah. Am I doing that right? No. Oh no, I went too far. Sorry, I went too far. Ah, missed one. Sorry. Mr. Per Pearl and Tando, I didn't mean to do that to you. You've been sitting
there so patiently. 202503 89 Clinton Street um for special permanent variant seeking approval for the construction of a rear edition, which is a change to an existing non-conforming structure. Arthur's back with us. Joan, well, Joan can vote. Everybody can vote
on this one. Everybody can vote. And um this went to the planning board. Well, John won't vote because you have the five minutes. Yeah, we know. So, we have the what what did the planning board say, John? Um planning board recommended approval with uh conditions of standard
conditions applicable and a good quality opaque 6 foot high fence on the eastly side of the lot to provide for privacy. Good. So, John, on that eastern side of the lot, there's already a six-foot fence there. Okay. Well, then you've met it. Look at that.
So, um, any So, tell us just do a quick recap as to what you're proposing. Now, now actually, I'm going to step back for this for a moment. We actually haven't heard this one yet because you went directly to the planning board when we missed our meeting last time.
I think he came here for us. Did he? Yeah, he was here. You were here before us, weren't you? Yeah. So, you Okay. All right. You guys went to planning. Oh, I'm sorry. It was It was the other two. Sorry. That's right. Of course you were. So, fill us in again what you were talking about. So, I'm just adding an addition on the back of the house. Okay.
So, I'm um uh living space, uh bathroom, and I'm blowing the kitchen out to the back. It's 25 by 28 28 ft. And I'm doing it for my sake of our we just discovered that
we're going to lose our interpreter now and we know that people who are interested in Lewis Street would need an interpreter. So I just want you to know that we're going Hold on. You look at I know that feeling
You guys So, you're on again. So, what I'm doing is I'm putting an addition. Did you formally introduce yourself for the record? I'm sorry. I think I did. Joseph Pearl, 89 Clinton Street. So, I'm just putting an addition on the back of the house. uh 25 by 28
ft. Uh most of the reason being is cuz my in-laws are coming to live with us. They're both elderly um up in their 80s. One has dementia. They can't make the stairs up the front of the house. So I'm trying to put everything on one level. So if they come up one step coming
around the back of the house, they'll be able to come in, you know, that entrance. So they'll have their own separate living space, bathroom, and then what I'm doing beside that, I'm blowing out the uh kitchen, extending the kitchen out so it all conforms to that living space for them. So
everything will be all on the same floor. So um any questions before I open to the public? Is there anybody here who wishes to speak on this? There being none, I'm closing the public participation portion of this. So we have to go through the variances, those
really fun things. John, can we put that up again? So you need your response. You have to make sure that we answer yes to all of them. A variance is sought because of soil conditions, shape or topography. Oh, what are we John? What are we looking for? The variance for minimum yard per yard setback.
Okay. The variance is sought because of soil condition, shape or topography of such land or structure and especially affecting such land or structure but not affecting generally the zoning district in which it is located. So is there anything that you could do that
you could build that on there and still be able to have a 25 yard set back? I think we'll be okay. No, you I mean No, no. I mean, so no, I mean the point is you you're you are basic you have to tell us it's because the shape of the shape of your
current lot doesn't accommodate you being able to build this and have 25 ft at the same time. Okay. Correct. Yes. Okay. Arthur. Yes. You go.
Joe Maryland. Yes. Okay. Next. A literal enforcement would be a substantial hardship financial or otherwise to the petitioner or applicant. So you talked to us earlier reason for doing this
right sounds like a hardship. So why don't you articulate that? Yes, a hardship because of the two elderly uh in-laws coming to live with us. Both have uh medical conditions. So that's a hardship. That's why we're doing it. So they're able to live on that space.
Okay. Yes. Desirable relief may be granted without substantial detriment to the public good. Is anybody getting hurt? No. Okay. Desire relief may be granted without nullifying or substantially dergating from the intent or purpose of
this chapter. It's it's a residential housing. You're still being residential. It's not hurting anything. Correct. It's not. Okay. You mean it? Some of them are easier than others. Um, okay. So, John,
what did the planning board say? Would you do approve with standing conditions as applicable and maintain a good quality six foot high fence on easily side provide for for privacy? Yeah. which like I said they already have that like one side has six foot
fence and then in the back which is like 10 ft from where I'm going that's probably another 10 15 ft because they have a wall and then they have a fence on top of that so there's no problem there. Do we have a motion Arthur?
Put your button please. I make a motion to accept uh case 20 2025-03 89 Clinton Street with the uh uh attached um conditions. Okay. With the applicable conditions. Second. You go. All in favor.
I Okay. Thank you for waiting. Appreciate it. Thank you so much. Thanks. The next one in front of us is 202504 13 Medford Street, Alex Monteray. Special permit and variance seeking approval for the construction of a roof deck which
does not meet the minimum requirements for front yard setback, rear yard setback, sideyard setback, and side combined setback. Introduce yourself again and tell us about your roof deck. My name is Alex Monteray. I live at 13 Medford Street. I'm looking to build a
15 foot by 17t deck on my roof. I'm looking for variance regarding the um setback requirements for front, rear, and sides. Okay, John, what did the planning board say? Planning board uh recommended approval with st uh standing conditions as
applicable and no gas grills or umbrellas on the deck. Okay, you need variances for it's sort of an odd thing because you're on a roof. Front yard setback, sideyard setback, minimum rear yard setback, and minimum aggregate sideyard. So, are those the building and not the is that
the actual building rather than the deck itself? No, it's actually the deck. That's the deck. So the minimum front yard setback from the deck. So 20 foot would put them basically outside. Yeah. Yeah. So um all right. So we're going to go through each of those conditions and
tell us how they play. The variance is sought because of soil conditions, shape or topography of such land or structure and especially affecting such land or structure but not affecting generally the zoning district in which it is located.
Uh so it's an existing non-conforming structure. I know it says front yard set back. I don't have any front yard, rear yard, um, anything like that. This is the only space essentially to to put. You're building it on the top and that's the building and you're struck by whatever the size of the building is, right?
Okay. A literal enforcement of the provisions of this chapter would involve a substantial hardship, financial or otherwise, the petitioner or applicant. Uh, I don't have any other sort of outdoor space. Uh, there's existing footings in place on the roof placed with the intent for a deck to be built. um they were put there by the the
previous owner. Uh just leaving these penetrations in the roof in place is going to cause problems down the road if something's not done with these. Um adding a deck would add value if I ever decide to rent the place out or if I go to sell it in the future. Um Okay. Yeah.
But you it give you open space. It gives you it gives you open space. Correct. Okay. Yes. Desirable relief may be granted. What? Make sure everybody when you're saying yes that you push buttons. Desirable relief may be granted without substantial detriment to the public good.
Uh the deck's not going to be visible from street level or anywhere else really. It's not going to intrude on any of the neighboring buildings or over the front or back of the building. It's not going to be an isore. So Okay. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.
Yes. Desiraal relief may be granted without nullifying or substantially dergating from the intent or purpose of this chapter. Uh, it's it's not going to get in the way of any intended zoning. Correct.
Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. So, that being said, John, any recommendations from the department or the board? Uh, just those that were uh given
earlier, the stand conditions applicable. No gas grills or umbrellas on the deck. Do we have a department recommends approval? Do we have a motion based on that? I just wanted to ask I wanted to ask is is this going to have like a fence like a fence around it? There'll be like a a handrail around the
handrail kind of thing and any lights? Um I'll probably just put like string lights up or something. Okay. Okay. And um furniture bolted or not bolted on the deck? I'll try to get something heavy enough and if it's inclement weather, I'll bring it inside.
Yeah. Nothing flies away. Hopefully not. Hopefully the gardeners, no grills, no umbrellas. Okay, so motion. I make a motion. I make a motion to accept uh
Sorry, what case are we on? 2025 124 224 um 202504 13 Medford Street. uh make a motion to accept uh with this with the standard conditions with the conditions as articulated and with the conditions that have been
articulated. Joe second. All in favor? I I So um 20250 which is 24 Lewis Street. We're going to have to move because Thank you. Oh, thank you. Sorry. You're good. You're good. Um 202 we're going to have
to move because of um we don't have interpreter for that. So do I have a motion to move this to our next meeting? I make a motion. Do I have a second? Second. All in favor? I. Okay. Next one. 202506 469 Eastern A surrender.
Yeah, I got the right si president Canadian Liquors LLC DBA Broadway variety. This one is this was okay. So, this is the first time we're hearing this, but because it was supposed to be at our
last meeting, um we and we weren't here. We went we we said we had it go to the planning board anyway so we can even though this is the first time we'll be hearing it we can vote on it tonight. Thank you madam chair. So but that being said could you just introduce us to your so that we know what the project is
since we haven't formally seen a presentation. Uh hello again uh Dee Edmonson Cororum for Mr. Surrender Surrender Sunonny. Um he is the owner of Broadway Variety 2 um under the guise of Canadian Liquor LLC.
Mr. S has owned uh the store since 2015. Um, it is at the intersection of Eastern A and Broadway down by the Beth Israel urgent care Walgreens area across it's across the street from the gas station right there at the in the at the end of
the pie so to speak. Um what uh this is technically a residential area. Uh it was owned a residential area R1, but uh the store has been a pre-existing non-conforming use of beer and wine since um before he bought the bought it
in 2015. So what we are he is uh requesting is an expansion of his license to an all liquor license. Um that has passed the licensing board in January of this year. Um, we were of course going to be in front of you, but
we uh plans changed. We went to the planning board. We did get passed by the planning board in June. Um, and now we're here before you today. Why am I here today? We have to uh request a um a a change of use from you um because it's
a pre-existing non-conforming use within a residential district. Um just to let you know, um nothing physically is changing about the store itself. Um the way it is is in the pictures that I've provided is going to stay the same. It's just going to replace some of those wine
bottles uh that are not selling really well with liquor bottles. Um the same layout, physicality, and everything is going to be staying the same. The hours will also remain the same. Um the hours are uh 9 9:30 9:30 to 11 um on Monday
through Saturday and then 12 to 11 on Sundays. Um, and other than that though, that's kind of my um the background of why we are here this evening. Okay. Do we have any questions before I open to the public? Joe,
is the existing license just for beer and wine and you want to expand it to all liquors? Is that is that That is correct, sir. But I thought you said you've already received the license approval. Well, pending uh board of appeals and planning board approval.
It's it's so it's conditioned upon approval by both bodies. Okay. Along with the licensing board, I do have the the minutes from uh the licensing board if you would like to see them as well. John, did you see I I think I submitted it with the application, but I did print out a copy
if you need it. That's I mean it's chicken or egg. I mean, that's just wanted to figure out which one it was. Yeah. Being thorough. I I just have a comment. You indicated that the you that the interior would not change, but what you're changing from is a convenience store to an all liquor store.
So you there would no be no convenience items anymore. No, there is no it is only introduce yourself please for me. Surrender Sanne and uh I'm the owner of Canadian liquors and um basically nothing's changing. They it's not a convenience store. It's
just beer and wine only. Okay. There are only chips, just um snacks like that, but there is nothing else. There's no milk, there's no ice cream, there's nothing else in there. Okay. Um your use your occupancy permit was for convenience store, but you
basically basically changed to just beer and wine and now it'll be a change from beer and wine to full liquor. Well, when I bought the place, No, I I understand it. It was it it was just he just wants to make sure he wants to he was we're unclear whether or not you were right now you're not selling milk
you're not selling ice cream you're selling chips and dip and stuff to use when you're having that's all it is that's all but no milk no ice cream I think that's what and so so basically what you are saying is that you are adding booze basically that's all yeah different kind of booze that's all okay
anybody here who wish to speak on this being none I'm closing the public participation portion of this John, do you have comment? Uh, planning board recommended approval with uh standing conditions as applicable. Uh, you shall be limited liquor sto convenience item sales and prior to the change of the signage or
the installation new signage petitioner shall submit the design of said signage to the permitting and lean news department for review and approval. The department recommends approval. But I would also and and recommend that we keep the hours as articulate that exist now. The the hours of operation would be the same as now. So those
should be included in the permit. Correct. Do we have a motion, Marilyn? All right. I make a motion to approve case number 2025-06469 Eastern A for a special permit seeking approval for the use of a liquor store
with standard conditions conditions as articulated. Okay. I second. Joe, all in favor? I I I thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Okay. Let's move to next.
What? Herd Street. Oh, that's right. Sorry. Do we have I knew there was something I was supposed to be doing with this. Um, we want to move herds. Do we have a motion to move 50 Herd Street 202508 to next motion? Motion made by Maryland. Second by Arthur. Oh, second by Arthur. All in favor?
I. Okay. Next. Um, 20250 to 161 Congress a Kintana Mareno Goff. Um this is for a special permit seeking approval for the use of a liquor store
and um this is going to be the first time we'll hearing this. So we won't be voting on it today. What is Am I What am I looking at? It says liquor store on my thing. Yeah, mine says liquor store. I didn't think so. I didn't think we had
two liquor stores. Oh, wait. for a parking a vehicle within the front yard set much different for a parking a vehicle within the front yard setback within five feet of a side slot line. You don't want to lick a store in your front yard. No, sorry. I'm kidding. Um, okay. So, again, this is special permit. So, we're not going to be deciding this
today because we can't. So, it will we'll hear it and then it will go to the planning board on the 22nd of July, two weeks, and then back here on August 12th. Okay, you can confirm those dates with
John, but planning board July 22nd right here and then August 8th, August 12th back here in front of the zoning board. Okay. So, introduce yourselves and tell us what you're proposing. Uh, good evening. My name is Kitana Moreno Goff. I own 157 Congress Avenue.
Um, and I'm here for requesting an extension of my driveway uh to be able to have easy access in and out of the property. Um, could you talk speak up just a little bit? Thank you. So, I am looking to get
an approval for an extension of my driveway so the cars will get easy access in and out of the property is in a corner of the uh of the you know it's in a corner so it's it's hard to get in and then also
there's only two cars that you can park one in front of the other and with this extension it will be easy to maneuver two cars in and out without having one to if the person get who gets in first have to leave and the other the second
person arrives have to go out and then come back. So, show us show us in the picture what you're proposing. Pick up your take the microphone with you. There you go. So, um I I I brought some new pictures, but that's okay. So, this is the
driveway which is around this area. You can park only two cars. How do you get in the driveway? I'm sorry. How do you get into the driveway? You get into there is another another picture. So you the drivers is is around here. You get in right now it's supposed
to be one car in front and then the other comes in but because we cannot do that we allow this to happen. So the cars usually park sometimes on the grass so that I don't I don't understand. I'm sorry. Do you have another picture? The one
that I brought. So this one could be a good picture. But these are pictures that I took over. Oh, okay. Ah, okay. All right. So, you go in that way. Okay. This is the driveway. Usually, the cars used to park one in front of the other,
but it's hard to park here. If I if the tenants that I have um receive a guest, there is no way that you can park because there is nothing on the street parking. There is only one way, no street parkings. And this this is what happened to be able to get in and out.
you kind of we use the grass. So we're looking to have this cover with gravel. Now all this structure will stay. This will stay. Is only to cover the grass with gravel so the cars can go in and out easily without affecting the rest of
the traffic. You want to turn into a parking lot basically, but not like with like an actual parking like this one. Just to make it easy with gravel basically. But what's that different than what you're doing now?
Because it's under it's not permitted. It's not permitted. That's why it need to happen. So, can I still do that? Well, well, I mean, well, what is it, John? John, I'm I'm guess I'm confused. Um, she wishes to use this for parking,
but because it will be within yard setbacks, she will dean special permit. Well, she's using it for parking now without the special permits to park in front of there. Oh, so you're trying to do the right thing. Yes. Oh, look at that. Okay. I I get it. So you you b but so
you but you want to approve it. So So the whole parking lot would be the whole way. So you want to make the parking lot you go in there, but then it's going to go the whole way over basically. If you get in, you can park there right there and the other person comes in.
Okay. All right. So all right. So I see. Okay. I see. You want to turn your parking lot. Exactly. You want to turn it easy not to do it outside because if one is in front and the other has to go out. What? Sorry. Well, you can when I open it up because
unless when that's when it No, not yet. You can in a minute because she's technically the petitioner. So, not you. In a minute. Um, okay. Why don't I open it to the public and then you can explain and you can I'm now opening it to the public. Would you like to get up and talk about
this? Yes. Introduce yourself and tell us and and and could you further explain what's happening? Yes. My name is Gladson and I'm her husband. I just want to explain a little. I think she she messed up a
little bit. We have a Oh, you're in trouble. We have extra land right next to the driveway. The driveway is only for one car. Yeah. What do you want to just use that extra land after, you know, as a parking lot
as well because we're not doing anything with this land and we rent the property and my beautiful tenants keep put the cars inside this land and we keep getting tickets from the city. That's why you want to do the right thing to get parking lot approval. Then
when you wrong you didn't mess up. She got it right. She wants to do the right thing to turn on. It's not just turn on. You want to put it that whole area gravel, something like that. You know, doing a driveway, but you're not looking for another curb cut. You just basically you want you want to extend you want to extend your driveway. You want to extend you want to
create a parking lot. Yes. Yeah. We have an extra land right next to the house that we're not doing anything, you know. But it's not legal for parking. Yes. No, it's not legal park. Exactly. Yes. I get it. I get it. Thank you. You can deal with that when you get home.
Is there anybody else who wishes to speak on this? Okay, I'm not John. Well, the the city has a concern because um talk a little louder, please. I'm sorry. The city has a concern because your tenants have been using the
um handicap access to access the parking. How are you going to prevent that? Yeah. Yeah. She has it. Yeah. Either you make the petition or she makes the petition. Um yes, we will um replace the ex part
of the existing fence all of the way that it used to be. So right when it's done, the cars only will get in through the um side. Um so that would be a requirement if we approve this, but a requirement is you'd have to put a fence. Yes, we will put a fence.
How many how many cars total parking inside? Um, right now the you well I don't know right now exactly but by the city of Chelsea if you have two apartment building should be two cars for each apartment.
Right now we kind of do the same but without specific John would they need to to would they need to um line these and make them formal parking? Uh, not necessarily line it. As long as they pave it and they can identify
and they've got approval that it's allowed for parking. Okay. The the garage is part of your property. Yes. The garage will stay we use it like we use it as a storage will stay the same. Everything the existing drive will
stay the same. It's only the grass that we want to put gravel, not um asphalt or concrete, nothing like that. So they have to if they use part of the land they will have to like renew or rebuild the other
part as like they don't use it as if they use it now you know you know what I mean if they let's say they use I don't know uh eight feet right to to do this the other part whatever is left I think they want to use the whole thing
oh the whole thing That's what they want to turn that whole thing up to up to near a fence. Up to the fence. Every this a right now is like a plant fence. Used to be a wire fence. We have to remove it for some reason. So the
fence will be the whole way until the driveway. The back we just don't want to cut grass. So we want to put all the um the area gravel which will allow the water to flow naturally. But the parking space for legally so have to be two per
apartment, right? So we will stay the same. So not No, it wouldn't be two car parking. That's the whole point. It would be right. I mean it wouldn't be two car parking. It would be four part car parking. Oh yeah. I mean you're looking for approval for for more parking. Yeah. Yeah.
So the back not not no car can be parked in the that space unless I No, it should be we want to avoid to cutting those plants. We want to avoid cutting grass just to keep it clean and nice. We put No, but you but but cutting grass is
only one thing. You want to be able to have your cars parked legally so you're not getting a ticket. You want them to pull in. You want them to take a left and you want them to line up like this. Yes. Right. So So that's what that's what you want. It's not about cutting the grass. It's about no not getting a ticket.
Yes, not getting a ticket is important. Um, just a question. So, would the four cars parallel park next to each other? And would that allow enough gauge when they reverse like if it's the fourth furthest car to back up and then go out?
Yes. Of that smaller driveway. Yes. Well, you're going to see it. We have to. But it seems like it's big. It's I guess we run it. What's the width? What what's I guess what you're asking is what's the is there enough turn radius? So if it's if four cars are parked
parallel then how much space do you have to if they're side by side car to come around and I I don't know the exact space but I know if has been you're going to need well one of the questions you're going to have to ask when you come back is how long is the space between the parking where your
current hard top is into the fence that you want. That's what she's asking because what she what what Joan's asking is so if you've got four cars lined up, how is that one that's the fourth one here going to get out? Can it get out? That's the question. Right. I think
yeah. Oh, here. See, I will. This is the existing drive. This is existing driveway. And this is the I believe from here to there. That's the uh space. Yeah, it looks like it looks as if it's
at least 25 ft from the edge of the driveway to the property line. So, that would give them enough that would give them a turn. That's that's okay. Yeah, that's okay. Okay. Is anybody else wish to speak on this? Okay. I'm not closing the public participation part of
this planning board in two weeks. Zoning board here at the the second Tuesday in August, the 12th. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, the next one. 2025-10
3462 Winnimmit Street and 1420 Pemrook Street Chelsea Hospitality LLC for special permit and variance to demolish an existing structure and a structure in the construction of 34 residential dwelling unit structure which does not meet the requirements for minimum
sideyard setback, maximum height, maximum floor ratio area ratio, minimum lot size, minimum rear yard setback, maximum density, maximum number of stories, required parking, maximum coverage and maximum front yard setback. This is the first time we'll be hearing
this. We will not be deciding it today. It will go to the planning board on the 22nd of July and you will be back in front of us on the 12th of August. Please introduce yourselves and your project. Yes. And how many people are here to testify
on this one? Okay. So, because it's getting late, I'm going to give everybody three minutes to start. Okay. And then if after three minutes not all of your questions have been answered, then you can come up and and get some more time. Okay? But let's give everybody a chance to speak and
then because maybe by the time we get through it, everybody's comments will have gotten made. Okay? But I'm I'm not trying to I'm just trying to just be efficient with our time, but I'll be happy to let people speak longer if after that there seems to be a need. So go ahead.
Good evening, Madam Chair and members of the board. Anthony Ross on behalf of the petitioner. I do have the architect of record guy to the left of me and I also have Rick Savo who's a civil engineer on this project. And by way of reference um John and madam chairwoman we will be tableabling the planning board meeting
and probably the next CBA meeting because today's more for a presentation and we wanted to hear from the abuters and the neighbors and schedule a neighborhood meeting when we hear their comments so we can see if we can accommodate their concerns. Okay. So, but I wanted So, I'm not going to go super super
I'm just going to try to talk about what we're trying to present and I like to hear their comments and then we're going to schedule a neighborhood meeting. So, I just want to be clear on the record for that. Um, and this property sits on two zoning districts, the R1 district and the waterfront district. So, you
heard regarding the the relief. A lot of it's really not accurate because the building's built on the waterfront side of the building. So the sideyard setback for clarity it says it's that we got 5 foot2 it's actually we are compliant with the sideyard
let's before we go well you said you want to introduce your project so before you start talking setback and that side tell us what you're proposing. So yeah, I just want the at least the neighbors that are here in Butters to know that a lot of the relief that's being sought, it's not accurate. We're more compliant
than what's being shown. But um but if I could um if we could show the actual plans, John, so if I may anybody wants to see, they can come up and stand. Just don't block our view. Okay. So just um but you're free to
stand over there. Joan, can you see? Yeah. As long as Joan, yeah, don't block Joan. Y guy, correct me if I make any mistake. So, this is the existing structure right now, right? Correct that.
So, just for clarity, this is the this is the lot line here and then this structure sits like there's multiple structures structures here. Correct. In here. Correct. Correct. just for clarity that the
structure that's on the pemroke side that's going to be removed that's going to be grass area. So for clarity this is going to be a grass area here. Um and if we can go to um the actual plants. So actually John if we could. So for
parking for clarity we showed 31 parking spaces but we do have 28 stackable parking raised. So it's actually 59 parking spaces. So they're actually motorized stackables but for the purpose of the record we reflected 31
um on the plan but it'll be a total of 59 uh parking for I think currently being proposed is 34 units. Okay. And of course that may change when we speak with the neighbors and so forth. And it currently shows a four-story structure
um which would be a variance and and that will be if we show the elevation John. So oh actually this is all grass area for the neighbors. All this is green space and and this is the structure inside the footprint just to be clarified. And
that's all parking. As you can see this is the actual building. The parking goes through the building just to be clear. And this is all this is all below grade. I'm not clear. Explain that to me. Extends a little bit beyond the building.
Correct. So the parking is all below grade inside the building. So you won't see parking from the street. It's all going below grade. It'll be a garage. And this is the lobby at that basement. Could you speak into the microphone, please, and introduce yourself? Hi, I'm Guy Graassie. I'm the architect
for the project. The um the the the the street slopes down towards the harbor. So there's there's about I six or seven maybe a 10 foot slope from here to there. Um when you get down at this end,
that basement is on grade. Up at this end, the whole the whole basement is below grade. Um, so this is where we put the entrance to the lobby and the elevators for the building. We we actually come in here and drop down on a little ramp and then go into the garage
and then all of the parking here is actually below grade, but it's it's, you know, it slopes up and you'll see that in the elevations. Correct. And I only bring it up so if the neighbors that are but on the rear, you're not going to see a parking lot. It's actually inside the building. So
that's why the stackables are important because you don't see the stackables from the street. It's all going to be done inside the building through a service like a elevator service that's going to be done. You see it mostly in urban areas that you see it in Boston and so forth. Stack mold parking, but
parking shows 31, but we're really going to have 59 spots just to be clarified inside the building. If we can show the elevations. Okay. Yes. So, as you can see right now, it shows a four-story building. I did speak to some abuters that were concerned about the height and we were
certainly talked to them at the neighborhood meeting, but current zoning allows three stories and we're being proposed four stories and we certainly would listen to the abutters regarding that concern. But I just want to reference that by way of example. But I want to talk about the bedroom mix. So
right now we already looked at it and we were reducing it prior to meeting with the neighbors to 33 units. But it's 28 two bedrooms, three three bedrooms and two onebs. So these were designed to be more condo um because that's what the city really wanted to see more unit ownership done.
That's why they were designed in this manner. So it's almost all twos and some threes. And it will also have a 15% inclusionary which I believe is going to be minimum of at least five units that'll be inclusionary units out of these. And this was designed to be more
of a condo development than an apartment rental development which is why we wanted to show the extra parking what have not because they're two-bedroom, three-bedroom units. But um and of those we're going to have 23 fulls size 9 by8
spots. uh 31 spaces at grade plus 28 on lifts. Eight compact spaces at 9 by 15 and 20 on lifts at 9 by 18. And the reason why we have the compact, if you go to the site plan, John,
I'm sorry. You want basement plan basement plan. We'll go back. Okay. Yes. So the the the reason we have the compact spaces is to maintain the setback from the from the spaces to the to the to the
property line. So we've made these 15 ft long rather than the required um um 19 ft. Um the code does allow for a certain number a percentage I think it's 25% uh compact spaces at at 8 and a half or
seven and a half by 16 but these are actually 15 ft. Um, and then the driveway, um, the the passageway here is supposed to be 22 feet and we're at 19 and a half. And it's just a dimensional problem having to do with the width of the lot.
That's correct. Just to add those extra spots for the building. And if we can go just to a outside color rendering just to show the Sorry. If we can go to show the colored rendering that we pass it. So this aesthetically how the building is
projected to look now. um by way of example and so if you look here this is the actual entrance and this is on yeah I'm talking about the garage this is the garage entrance on winter sim which would essentially go down into the
basement right and then and this is basically garage space right which is going to be architecturally designed so you don't actually see vehicles and so forth and this is the lobby entrance at the bottom part of winter simmit if you're going downhill this is a lobby
Um, as far as if we go to the site band so we can just a little bit talk about the setbacks because when you read the dimensional rag chart for relief of the Nile, it talks about that we're five feet from a property line, three feet. We're actually pretty much compliant in the waterfront district for that. The
structure is built on the waterfront district, not the one. I think uh Mike McIntyre talked about saw a retaining wall and called that as a setback. So, but I I mean I'm not going to get into specifics now because I want to meet with the neighbors. I want to show them so they can see on a plan. But
setbackwise, we're going to be pretty compliant. And the only relief as far as variance will be um as far as density is height and the F, which is 1.9 and it requires 1.5. But again, I I I strong
believe when we meet the neighbors, we could probably be more compliant on that and get something that's more feasible. But I wanted to present because we worked with the city, we worked with the town, and we want to work with the neighbors. First, we want to present what we have. And then I'd like to get
their input so we can see when we meet with them what changes we can make to accommodate their concerns with the project. And that's essentially, you know, the project as a whole. Okay. Before I open it up, anybody have any questions?
Okay. Okay. So, we want to hear from um just when you get up there, give your name and address. Um again, you can talk right pictures. Oh, okay. You can talk right there. Name and address. How do you do my name? And um three minutes to start. Okay.
This is tough because I've lived Can you give us your name and address, please? My name is Arie Jarmarmac. I live at number 12 Pemroke Street. Okay. Thank you. I'm a 75 year old man. Some societies listen to 75 year old men and respect them. Some societies say, "I'm not going
to listen to them because they're old and they're out of touch." My concerns here with this project affect ones that affect the health of the abutters. Can you change it so we can see the layout where it is with the properties? That
one. No, keep going. Keep going. That sit. Yeah. You can take but take the microphone with you. Right. Can you hear me now? Yep. So, if you look here, there are I believe there are 22 units that directly
above this property. Each one of those units or almost all of them have a balcony and all of them have windows. If you allow them to build a 49 foot tall building three- foot from the property line, you will diminish the amount of
light that's hits all of these people. And there's adverse health benefits or defects from that that are quantifiable. And I've given everybody a sheet that will explain some of them. Um, the other thing is, do you know what a pollution canyon is? Excuse me.
What you have here is a pollution canyon. Right here is one of the busiest streets in the city with cars that because the light changes, they're always backed up here. So you I've given you also a sheet explaining what a pollution canyon is. So the exhaust from
these cars will sit here and there's no way for it to dissipate. And a pollution canyon also becomes a noise canyon and a um um temperature canyon. So if you grant
these variances, it's going to benefit one man, the man who owns Heath properties. It's going to adversely affect the health of 22 residents who live in these units. It'll also adversely affect the
health of the people who live across the street on Pemroke Street and across the street on Wimmit Street. So, it comes down to do you want to grant a variance to benefit one man or do you want to protect the rights of the 22 units that
live here in Chelsea? That's my three minutes. Thank you. And I'm sorry, I meant to read into the record. Um, thank you very I just meant No, no, you're good. You're good. I meant to read into the record two um two net letters that we have. We have one from Shavar Bob um from 10
Pembroke and he is concerned about the size and scale and the damage to the trees and the wildlife. Um, so he he does propose that he likes the idea of housing, but he's not
comfortable. It seems like he's not comfortable with it here. Um, and the next is from Nicholas Boatright, who is also says a Pemroke string street resident who is strong and unequivocal opposition to the development. So, I wanted those to be read into the record.
I apologize. I should have done that earlier. Who would like to testify next? Yemen. name and address, please. There you go. You can take it down. There you go. Well, I brought talk introduce yourself, please.
Oh, Alison Shepard and I live into No, into the microphone. It's I need you to speak into the microphone. Hang on a second. I will take your time. Allison Shepard and I live at 27 Penroke Street. Thank you. So, um, but I brought a copy of the
zoning. Talk into the microphone. Hang on. I brought a copy of the the zoning code and the intent of the zoning code is to
not do this stuff. The purpose of the zoning code section 341 is to achieve the objection objectives in the zoning act GL44A uh to promote the health, safety and
general welfare of the inhabitants of the city. The objectives include but are not limited to the following. to lessen congestion in the streets, which this this doesn't do. To conserve health, which this doesn't do. To secure safety
from fire, flood, panic, congestion, confusion, and other dangers. To provide um adequate light and air, which this definitely doesn't do. To provide overcrowding of land, which this doesn't
do. To avoid other dangers. to avoid undue concentration of population to encourage housing for persons of all income levels. I didn't hear anything about those being affordable.
Um, and I doubt they will be um to facilitate the adequate provision of transportation, water, water supply, drainage, sewage, um, schools, parks, open space, and
other public requirements. to conserve the value of land and buildings, including the conservation of natural resources and the prevention of blight um and pollution of the environment to
encourage the most appropriate use of land throughout the city and to preserve and increase amenities. So, I think that this falls far short of that. And there was a prior proposal for
34 units at that exact same site which never got passed. There was also a prior proposal of 24 units at that site which never got passed. And with all this, you know, talk about
adding all these units, I mean, if you count up the units that were on the agenda tonight, that's a lot of units. Do we have the infrastructure? Do we have the fire, the police, the water, the sewer, the schools for all these
people? I mean, you know, plus the lower um the lower um part of Winnimid Street is declared historic. So, thank you. There can't be any hot
tub put on that. Um, and the there's also a a demolition delay put in the in the code. So, that would apply to this too. Um, so I mean, if you're
cutting me off, then I'll give it to the next person, but I'm absolutely against this. That is way, way too many units. Thank you. Thank you. Uh my name is Brendan Devany. I'm at 37 Window Simmit. I'm sorry. Say your name again. I'm sorry.
Brendan Devany and I'm at 37 Window Simmit right across the street. I have many of the same concerns that have already been articulated. Uh the primary ones I want to emphasize for me are traffic and road noise on Cobblestone Street. And already you have a lot of traffic along William Street. And so adding, you know, 34 units plus those
additional spaces is just going to be a tremendous nightmare. I think also that area of win is also several sites are brownfield sites. So in the excavation of this I'm curious about what considerations are going to be made for the health of the community during that process. And um I think overall it's
just a matter of size, scale and density that are the biggest concerns for me in that tight neighborhood. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Hi, I'm Shavar Bab. You read my letter earlier. Um so I reside at 10 Pemrook Street. So, um I would be
directly behind this building and our one of our patios is actually behind it and as our first neighbor mentioned, we have balconies above uh that patio as well. So, in addition to echoing some of the concerns that are my neighbors mentioned, my main concern is really the
size and proportion of the building. It just seems very large for compared to all the other buildings around there. Um I questioning if it's four or five stories. I think the developer will kind of update us on how they're coming up
with that number. It seems like it's five stories, but right now there's one story behind us and our patio is already kind of engulfed in shadow for most of the day. Putting four on top of that is going to completely close off any sunlight that we get. Uh there's also
several mature trees along the back of that uh property right now that provide a huge amount of shade to us. And if they build that kind of as close to the property line as they want to get, I would assume that they'd have to take those trees out, which would be really detrimental to us. So that's where I'll leave it now and then kind of let
everyone else give their piece. But thank you. Thank you. Liz Palino here for Ferry Crossing. I was a community organizer before I went off to law school. Um, and I'm right across um on Beacon. Some of the people
in our HOA um community have both a uh um patio situation and others have a roof deck. This would adversely affect us as well as we have a lot of comments around the cobblestone
um portion of wise. Um the cobblestone portion uh from just like a historical preservation society standpoint was the street on which Abraham Lincoln campaigned. he got off the ferry, walked up straight to city hall and campaigned
um when he was running for president. Additionally, uh we are unsure of whether this is actually R1 or waterfront zoning. We'd love to get some update updated information on that. Ultimately, we're pretty upset about the
density and the height. However, um I recognize that the people behind this um project, I believe, were involved in the East Boston waterfront. Is that the case or is that not? Um well, in that case, I am part of um a group of younger people
who have moved to the area and I'm not opposed to responsible development there. It's genuinely just the size and density. Um I would also like to put out there for whenever this community meeting happens that the um actual look
of the building. I think a lot of neighbors would appreciate if it fits the character of the existing units in the area. Um, it's one of the prettiest areas in Chelsea, I believe, and it's nice to have nice brownstoneesque buildings in a very walkable
neighborhood. Um, the last thing I'll put out there is that as someone who maintains a public garden, it would be nice to see more usable outdoor space in the community, especially if you're going to bring in a higher density of residents. There is one public
playground in the area. It is used both for children and as the only dog park in the area as well. So bringing this number of residents to the area would put a strain on the available green spaces. Um but thank you so much for
your time and I'll hand it off to whoever's next. Thank you. Good evening. Richard Smeaggielski, 52 Method Street. Uh I was chairman of the planning board for about almost 15 years. And one of the things that we did
was to work on uh ordinances and zoning laws back in the late 70s, 80s, and 90s. And we put a lot of the items that are uh now law into place to prevent projects like this. I was also uh president of the Chelsea Waterfront
Association for many years and we fought against the projects that were mentioned by previous speakers for uh two of the projects in this exact location and the board of appeals unanimously backed us on both occasions. This project is too
big and it should not be in this area. Uh we we're concerned about the sight lines. We're concerned about the height. In fact, the 49 foot or almost 49 foot proposed height, remember they're proposing to build on a slope. 49 feet
is not going to be 49 feet at the top end going towards William Street. It's going to be much higher. It really is going to block out the light in the air from what Mr. Jarmac articulately um stated. Also,
William Street in a whole area, as all of you are aware, is one of the most congested areas, if not the most congested area in the city, and traffic is stalled there a great deal of the time. If the residents can't get into their
housing units from William Street, how else are they going to get in? There's only one other place to go to. They have to go down Broadway, take a left on Meford Street, go all the way down Memphis Street, take a left on Tremont
Street, take a right on Ferry Street, and a left on Wimmit Street. So, we're looking at a tremendous amount of traffic coming down that whole area to avoid William Street. And that is going to happen because it's congested
probably more than 50 to 60% of the time and traffic gets backed up there. There's no way they're going to be able to get in. People going to say, "Hey, I'm not going to wait in traffic." Also, I know my three minutes are almost up. When I was chairman of the planning board, I worked with Lisa Marx at the MWR and was able to acquire uh with Ned
Keith and I think John was just starting out at that time over $1.3 million into that area to prevent the flooding. We did all new uh in infrastructure uh pipes in that whole area and separated with the cso the uh
development and I think it was a 30-in pipe from Broadway to Meford to a part of Tremont down Ferry. It has to be looked into if this development ever goes through any development, whether the pipes can handle the sewage flow
because we had awful flooding that we uh were able to eliminate as a result of that uh money that we brought into the city. But as far as all the other speakers are concerned, I agree with them 100%. This is not the right project as the other two projects were shot down
both by the planning board and the zoning board in past years. Thank you. Thank you. Jonathan Milton, 37, winner summit, 79, 75. I wish I was 75 again.
Uh other the other speak speakers have spoken and eloquently described the problems with this with a project of this size. I would only add one thing. As people keep talking about traffic, I look out my window and I see this
potential project. I look out my other window and I see the very large project that's been underway for almost three years 7 a.m.
Trucks, noise, drilling, dust. It's been a long time. They're not done yet. I don't think they've even gotten into the interior yet. They haven't put all the windows on yet. This is a long-term project. I'm not sure who the
tenants are going to be or the tenant. I heard a rumor about the North Suffach Mental Health Center moving their offices into this place. And there's only two ways in. One is down the bottom of Wimmit and the other is right in front of my window.
more traffic, big parking lot, a lot of people using this area. Adding this project to all of that traffic, people in and out and out for their for their appointments is just
going to be something that's I I heard someone talk this evening about hardship. It's been a hardship. More demolition and construction of this project as it is would be more hardship. I'm tired of
getting awakened early in the morning and picking up coffee cups and hot hot dog I mean hamburger wrappers and everything else. Can you imagine when all those folks are coming in and out of that parking lot? It's a big
parking lot and then across the street. It's a lot to take. Thank you. Thank you. Hi, I'm Joe Resnik, 12 Pemroke Street. Uh, I represent Arie. I'm prepared. I'm an attorney. I
represent him in this. Um, I'm prepared to do that. I'm sort of new to it. I'm basically a courtappointed lawyer, but um, I do a lot of other things. Anybody who approaches me and I believe in the case, I'm happy to take it. So, I've done about a day of research on this kind of law. And what it seems to me is
um you're all an executive body and um you deal very closely with the legislative body which is the city council and the city council is uh in charge of zoning and reszoning and what you do sometimes dances very close to
reszoning by granting variances and permits. There's like a spectrum and at some point it becomes reasonzoning. My view of this is at least as as it was proposed as 10 variances starts to look like reszoning. So as it
was proposed as it was proposed um in the public flyer really it would be a huge um change of the waterfront district like a reimagining of the waterfront district which is cool. That's maybe Chelsea needs that. if it needs that. Our argument is simply going
to be don't violate separation of powers. Let the let the legislative wing handle it. Let the city council handle it because it's just going to be better for the city. More people can come and discuss what's needed and um there's more input than zoning board. If I was a
young person and I heard zoning board of appeals is having a meeting, I wouldn't go because it just sounds boring. Basically, actually I remember being a young person at hearing zoning ZBA zoning board of appeals. I was politically minded when I was young. Never went to this is my first hearing
here. I went to city council meetings. That's something else. So there's all types of benefits that come about when it goes through the legislative process. So our main argument is if it's really going to be a reimagining of the of the waterfront district, cool. Put it
through the proper channel because you're speaking for yourself though. Clearly, you're not I mean, you're you're pardon me. Okay. No, no, I just wanted to be clear that you were speaking for yourself or All right, doesn't matter. Go ahead. I don't know who I'm speaking. I mean, we're at the public. I'm just saying
we're not having a hearing as long as I No, I'm I'm telling you what I've gleaned from about a day of legal research about this and um my brother here knows a lot more about the law on this than I do and I've chatted with him for about an hour outside and um we're
family friends. We go way back. He um I'm relieved that he's the attorney on the other side of this because um he seems very willing to negotiate and work with Arie and already we've knocked a floor off of the building and set the set it back 10 ft from Pemroke Street.
So I think um and you know anybody else here who um is interested in working with Arie or with me, we're happy to I'm I'm also happy to represent your interests. I'm not here to solicit business council. No, I don't charge. I I I don't charge. It's not solicitation because I don't charge and I don't I don't laugh about
it. It's it's very serious to me. I love Chelsea. My family's been here since 1882. And to me, it's just about the love of it. And you know, I don't I don't usually get involved politically too much about things. I just do my own thing. But this is a particular thing where a legitimate guy who's been very
kind to me in my life, he's given me a place to live many years of my life on Pemroke Street has approached me. He feels strongly about something. I'm going to represent his interests and his interest aligns with a lot of these people's interests and I'm happy to do that. My only argument is my only argument would be, you know, if if we
sue the zoning board, for example, for a decision that it made. My argument would be um this is starting to look like a a policy decision. Okay, you've had your three minutes and I appreciate what you're saying. We're here to talk about this this I'm done. Thank you very much. Not about the law.
Okay. Thanks. Anybody else who wish to speak on this one? There being none, this is not closing the public participation portion. As you know, I've heard the counselor say that you expect this will not be coming back to the next meeting. Um, if I may, Madam Chairman, I would like
to table the planning board because I can't have the planning board if I'm meeting with the neighbors. It wouldn't be Well, you can you can work with the with John and I just need a written request. Yeah, I'll do it and I'll wait for the constructive approval. Therefore, the the next EBA would be tabled also because well, we would just then have to make a
motion to to asked for that to be tabled and it on it and and if I just can put two things just so the neighbors could hear. I know it's late but um it's not when you hear 10 feet I want the neighbors to hear on Pemroke side
it's actually going to be closer to 50 feet of a setback. So the structure you see maybe maybe this is I think this is probably all better handled at a meeting where everybody can h ask the detailed questions because this is I think everybody's going to have different questions and I don't want them to be in a position where they feel limited in
their That's fine. I just I just they I think they interpreted something that was different than what the denial letter said. We're actually 50 feet from the rear. Okay, you said it. No, you can say it when you have a meeting with them. But I don't want to take any more time. It's late. Everybody have a good night. So I it and I'll put a written request
and wait the customer. That would be great. Thank you. appreciate it. So, are you looking to come back to the board in September? It would have to be Yes, because it would have to be September because if they if the board is going to continue, they have to continue to a date certain.
So, they have to say what date that is. Yeah, I would ask for it to be continued to the September meeting because I have to go back if I'm planning. Do we have a motion to move this to September 9? Made by second by Joe. All in favor? I I Okay.
Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you, members of the board. Have a good summer. Thanks. Thank you very much. Last but by no means least, 202511 8:16. What? Got to continue work. There it is.
202511 816 to 818 Broadway Treetop Investments LLC um for special permit variance seeking approval to demolish a structure and for the construction of 15 residential dwelling unit structure which does not meet the requirements for minimum front yard setback off- streetet
parking minimum lot size minimum sideyard setback minimum rear yard setback lot coverage maximum height minimum usable open space maximum floor area ratio maximum number of stories maximum density minimum aisle width and side and air rear yard required parking
setback. First time we're hearing this. Excuse me. So, we're going to um we're having so this is the first time we're hearing this. So, we will not be making a decision today. This will go to the planning board on the 22nd and it will
be back here on the 12th of August. So, please counselor introduce yourself and your project. Good evening everyone. David talking to the microphone sir. Mr. Midland I think I know by just pick it up. There you go. David Midland representing the
petitioner Treetop Investments and with me is Sid Gellhart who is the principal of Treetop. Um Mr. Gellhot is looking to build a fourstory 15 unit building on the corner
of Eleanor Street and Broadway. Um, this is the existing situation. It's a very oddly shaped lot. Um, also an oddly shaped building. What's there now is it's kind of two side byside town houses
and then in the back is where it juts out there a little cottage and then there's a garage where two cars park. Um the building is well I would you say falling down Sid or it's it's in dire
need of replacement at this point. Um so the plan is to tear down the existing building um build this new structure um which looking at it um should fit very nicely into the neighborhood. Again this
is the corner of Broadway and Elellanar Street. On the next corner up Eleanor Street, the corner of Clark Avenue is the fourstory 24 unit apartment building brick building. On the other side of
Broadway at Spencer is a I believe it's a 20 unit um like a microl loft apartment building. Also the old Chappie electric office site. Um so it really does fit in with the neighborhood. It
would be um parking under parking at ground level, 15 parking spaces including the two in the garage. um one space per unit and each of the three residential floors
would have um it's all in the petition but it would have a two-bedroom two bath a onebedroom one bath with a den a onebedroom one bath one threebedroom two bath and a
studio so it' be five units per floor each floor would be virtually identical And uh again 3* 5 would be 15 units affordable. How many affordable? How many affordable?
Three af uh we said three, right? Sorry it's getting late and I'm what I memorized is no longer in my memory. Three affordable requires a minimum of three. It it'll also have um it'll be fully sprinklered elevator service. Um,
as I said, one off- streetet parking space per unit and it's right on the Broadway bus line. Um, also about probably four or five blocks from the 111 bus directly into town.
And that's it in a very late in the evening nutshell. Again, we're not going to be citing anything. Are we ready any questions? He said I think he said it. Are they rental? Oh, I'm sorry. Okay.
Are they rentals or condos? Anticipated to be rentals. Could you could you tell us the breakdown of units again? Size-wise. Um, sizewise. So, it's in in the petition with the square footage. No, I mean bedroom size. I meant by that
bedrooms. Yeah. Like how you know you said ear you were saying each floor is going to rep each floor is going to be the same, but on each floor will be audio. Each floor has one twobedroom, two bath, one one bedroomedroom with a
den and a bath. One one bedroomedroom, one bath, one three bedroomedroom, two bath and a studio. Okay, thank you. So I believe it was 24 spaces required.
Uh yeah, it looks like 24 spaces. Yep. But at least there would be the one space per unit. And again, it it fits into the neighborhood, which I know very well being at 800 Broadway. Um, with the
two apartment buildings very nearby, there's another condo building just on the other side of Clark Avenue. I think it's 55 Broadway. So, it's a very mixed neighborhood. Most of the apartments are on the side of Elellanar Street where
Treetop will be building this building. Um, and I think that's it for now. I realize there are a lot of variances required in the parking relief, but um, you know, this is a a mixed urban area.
Any questions before I open it up? You go. Um, how many apartments the existing building has? The existing building is a three family. Okay. What's going to happen with those people? If this gets approved and you start
building, what's going to happen with these people? Have you talked to any of the tenants yet? S. My name is Sid Gell. I'm from Treatup Investments. No, we haven't because we don't even know uh where this is just a start, you know.
So, they are pretty good tenants. Um we could definitely talk to them and u at some point work with them, you know. Okay. Um in front of this building, the 16th building, there's a bus stop,
right? Right. Right there. that's going to are you guys planning to keep that and and you know stay there or I mean for the construction I'm talking about no when they'll finish. It's anticipated.
It's anticipated that it'll stay because that area of Broadway is already complete. Thank goodness after three years of misery. We have a newly paved road with new sidewalks all lined with bike lanes. It's beautiful. So, um I
think you'd be in big trouble if you did anything to interfere with the sidewalks there. Yeah. Just to answer that, I think I think it should stay because we do have enough uh access from the Eleanor side. So, it's
kind of like Connor. Are you planning to have a dumpster? A dumpster? Uh, I was I'm looking for the I see the the trash is by next the elevators. Well, if you look at the John, could you go back that that floor? Yeah, there is
a trash room there. How's going to be picked up? Was the plan for that being picked up? The trash. Will there be trash can trash barrels in the trash room and then they'll be
wheeled out to the street as well? You will need 30 then. 15 for trash, 15 for recycle. Is that right? If you're not going to have a dumpster. I'm sorry. It's hard to hear you because of the So, if you're going to have a barrels from the city, is that what what he's saying?
You have combined barrels or you have trash collection there or city trash collection? No, I think he means inside. Are you going to have individual trash receptacles for each unit or are you going to have larger rollout units that you will then put on the street? Is that
what you mean? Let me ask it if it's going to be a dumpster that you roll out for someone to pick it up or larger. What? Say it in the microphone. Larger. Larger. So, yes.
And then on the uh common pathway uh house 35, is there going to be any problem when the cars going in and out? Is that enough room for them to go in and out with the garage on the back? Yes. Yeah. Yes. It won't hit the house.
I don't 35. No. Yeah. There's there's a 10 foot wide um Sid has 5 ft of it and the Abutter has 5T of it. So there's actually a 10-ft wide common driveway in the back that's used frequently now. And there's also
another driveway to the right of the building. So the anticipation is that it'll be one way in and out of the garage. Yeah. I don't see the picture here. This is house number 35 here or at least that's what number here 35
on this picture that picture that is I'm sorry I don't have my my other glasses with me. So this is the pathway right for the garage.
Yeah. But this is part of the what will be torn down. Oh that will Okay. That's I said the cottage area of the house. So there's back here is like two side by side old town houses and this is kind of juts out. It's a little cottage
and the current tenant just sticks a car right there. Okay. And that would be taken down. But there's constant traffic in and out of that driveway. Yes. Joe on Broadway. Looking at Broadway. Uh
isn't that house set up on a hill if you look at Broadway? No, it's still level there. So, as you're going up Broadway, um probably No, I mean there are a bunch of steps going up to the house right now.
Not your house. No property. No, that corner is still flat. Yeah. Okay. That's grade level. But as you go up that particular block about maybe six houses up in the 8 870s or so are the
city stairs, very steep stairs going up. So those houses which are I think mostly twos and three families are up on the hill, but this one will be street level. Okay. Thank you.
Nicely done, John. Any other questions before I open it up to the public? Um, again, this will not be the only time we'll be hearing this. This will go to the planning board in two weeks and it will go to back here on August 12th. Is there anyone here who wishes to speak
on this matter? There being none, I am not closing the public participation portion of the hearing. I just have one question before we go. One of the things I'd like you to consider as you come forward, there's no open space at all on this. Would it be feasible to make this a little smaller
and provide for some green in the area? So, that's just my I'm not asking for an answer now. I want you to think about that. That's a question that I will have in the future. I mean, you've covered every conceivable inch of this spa this space and maybe a little green wouldn't hurt. But that's just a thought. You can
tell me. You don't have to answer it now. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Thank you very much. We will see you in two in a month. Do I have a Do we have any other business before? Do I have a motion to
adjurnn? You go. Oh, Joe. Arthur made a motion to adjurnn. Second by Joe. All in favor? I