Good evening. This is the zoning board of appeals. Um I will begin today's meeting by taking a role of the attendees. I am Janice Tatara, >> Marilyn Vega Torres, >> Joseph Mahoneyi,
>> Ko Pardumo, >> Joan Cromwell, >> and we are also joined by John Dri and Hector. Um, one little bit of business before we open it up. We have people have the opportunity to review the minutes from the no from the prior two
meetings. >> Yes. Do we have a motion to approve the minutes or do we have any comments or any um recommended changes to those minutes? I hear none. Then do we have a motion to approve the minutes for those meetings? >> I make a motion to approve the minutes. >> Do I have a second?
>> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Thank you. Do we need any Are we all set with our business portion of the Okay. Let's move on to the first case in front of us, which is case 2025-23. And I'm sorry, we do have to keep the
door open. So, I apologize. Um, 4648 Library Street, McDougall Architects, Inc., uh, for special permits and variances, seeking approval to construct an addition and convert the property from a three dwelling unit um, structure into a 12 dwelling unit structure, which
does not meet the requirements for minimum parking spaces, minimum rear yard setback, maximum floor area ratio, minimum lot size, maximum lot coverage, minimum sideyard setback, and minimum front yard setback. John, we heard this for the first time last month and it
went to the planning board. Do we do we have any thoughts from the planning board? >> The planning board recommended approval with conditions which you have uh sheet in front of you. >> Okay. Thank you. Um so could you please introduce yourselves and um and tell us
update us on where you are with your uh project? >> I would be pleased to do so. Madam Chairman, my name is John Mackey. I'm here on behalf of Efron Molino with the architect Beth McDougall. Uh since the last time we were here, we appeared before the planning board on two
separate occasions. On the first occasion, they raised some concerns and some questions about this the scope and the nature of the project and based upon their recommendations and suggestions, we appeared a second time on January 27th.
Uh I'm going to leave the particulars of the architect but basically I just want to go over some major points primarily the existing three family structure has been changed so the exterior will be consistent with the new construction.
Uh the planning board appeared to be act favorably upon the proposed changes that we had. We're adding additional windows and we've made some other changes to the project. uh they seemed to be very appreciative
of the changes. It was all in what their recommendations were all incorporated into the new plan and they indicated to us that evening that they were going to make a favorable recommendation with some restrictions. Uh I'm going to leave the technical
details to the architect, but I would like to emphasize a few points. Uh again the existing three family is going to be updated so that it's consistent with the new with the new construction. The footprint of the property is not going to change. The new construction
will be on the existing garages. So there'll be no change to the existing footprint. Uh additional windows are being put in at the recommendation of the planning board. But the most important thing I would like to the board to consider is that with the
construction of this property, we're going to be providing two affordable units to the city. And uh with that, I would like to turn it over to the architect, Beth. >> Miss McDougall. >> Good evening. >> Hi. Um I'm Beth McDougall. >> If you want to get up and walk there,
just bring it with you. >> Okay. I'm Beth McDougall with McDougall Architects. Um so as was stated earlier we uh the planning board had some concerns with regards to the new construction versus the existing um three family. So what we did is we
spoke to our owner. He's more than happy and amenable to make it all one building which it needs to be anyway but to make it all look the same which makes it look a lot better. Um could you go to the next slide please? The other issue was um I don't know if you remember but the
back was very solid because it's on the property line. So what we did is we kind of undulated this back um rear elevation by stepping it in the three feet that that allows us to have windows and that's where we have um bedrooms uh with a a small balcony 3T deep. Um that's how
we got the windows. This is always this has always been three feet back. So if this is minus3 back here is minus3 this is zero and this of course is minus3. Okay. Uh next slide go the Okay. So um currently what we have is we have 10
parking spaces. Um we have uh a total of 12 units on the site. Next slide please. And as you can see the bubbles are where we basically reworked the back elevation by stepping it in with a living room with a nice slider here. a bedroom with
windows. Okay, next slide. Um so what happens now is it's the same on um the second and third floor. If you go to the next um slide. So the difference between two and three which are the same and four is the fact
that these units right here >> hold on just one second. >> We have to keep the door open in They were trying to be nice and not have to be noisy, but we have to keep it open. Please go ahead. Continue. >> So, the difference is, so these units right here are all the same. What we did
when we reconfigured is we changed how you get into the building. So, you get into the building down on the first floor. You come up into um this stairwell. Now, this stairwell now only serves the 01 units. 2011, 301, 401. 401
is a two-bedroom unit. 2011 and 301 are threebedroom units. That was one of the things that our client really wanted was to have larger units for families. The units over here, the O2 units are now accessed through this stairwell, which they used to be on this stairwell.
We we changed it around to get a better layout here and to keep the three bedrooms in the O2 units. These units here, the 03s, did not change at all. They still enter through this stairwell. So, the bigger changes were just basically how you enter. Um, and within by by changing the entrance to these O2
units coming through a door here, it gave a little bit of a better layout and we could keep the three um bedrooms, which he really wanted. Next floor. And now we have our outdoor space, which we actually meet our outdoor space requirements. And next, and then these are the elevations. my office bubbled
everything so you could see what changed. We changed the window configuration. We changed how many windows we did. Um, and that if you keep going through the elevations that just kind of goes all the way through. And this is the back where we did the recess balconies here. Again, this has
always been step back, but we changed all the windows and the layout so that we could get as many three bedrooms as possible. So we have um uh let's see one two we have two four five threebedrooms and then it would be
one two three four two bedrooms I think it is um this is just the detail of how we're connecting to the building so that we have one building on the lot instead and and not two separate buildings. Okay, thank you. Any questions?
Can you remind me on the um roof of the new um building? Is is it open to residents or it's just Yeah, heating units. >> Yeah, the roof is open. If you go back to the roof plan, so what'll happen is um each
each group. So >> So the 01 units have this area. So three units share that space, three units share this space, and three units share that space. Okay. >> So, it's kind of split up that way. >> Okay. And John, is she accurate in saying that that meets the open space requirement? >> Yeah, it meets the open space. Just so
you know, it's not a free-for-all. >> Yes. >> Thank you. >> I'm gonna Is there anything else before I open it up to the public? >> Is there anyone here who wishes to speak on this? >> Okay. Okay, I'm not going to close the public participation portion at this point because we're going to discuss the
variances and the special permit requirements and therefore in case those raised in questions I want to make sure the public has the ability to comment on though it doesn't seem to be anybody here who's commenting on this. So let's first start with the variance. Of course you know you must meet each of the
requirements of the variances um and the special permits it's more likely than not kind of criteria. So um and I just want to confirm one thing John they are building this on the footprint of the existing structure >> correct
>> okay so a lot of and why I say that is because a lot of these dimensional things >> are extensions of >> extensions of okay and that's important obviously for us so counselor I am going to ask you to respond to this to each of these one by one okay I'm not or I'm
going to you can respond to one of the answers but apply all of the variances needed. We're not going to go through variance by variance, >> but we'll go through each variance criteria as it as it relates to the variances as a whole. >> Okay. >> Okay. The variance is sought because of
soil condition, shape or topography of such land or structure and especially affecting such land or structure but not affecting generally the zoning district in which it is located. >> Uh if you don't mind me reading >> absolutely not. >> The uh the lot in question is fairly
rectangular and flat. The existing garage structure sits on the property line and does not allow for the acquisition of additional lot size to meet the required lot area standards as all abuing parcels have been developed.
The addition of residential units above the existing garages will not adver adversely affect the other structures within the area. >> Do we agree on that? >> Do we and again as we said they're building it on the existing footprint. So do we have comments? I I yes
>> Joe >> yes >> Hugo >> yes >> Joan >> put your Joan >> yes and I'll say yes as well the second one is a literal enforcement of the provisions of this chapter would include a substantial hardship financial or
otherwise to the petitioner or applicant. >> U the size and configuration of the lot are such that it is not feasible to improve the lot without substantial financial hardship for the owner. The construction of a nine unit in addition
to the existing garage structure will result in a fair modest return for the owner. >> And basically what you're saying is if you met all of the requirements that our variance requires, you'd basically be building like one narrow Yeah. >> building. >> Do we agree?
>> Yes. >> Yes. Yes. >> Yes. Yes. For me, a desirable relief may be granted without substantial detriment to the public good. Uh the the addition on the top of the existing garage structure is located next to a parking
lot and green space. It will not block any views or cause any privacy issues with the neighboring buildings. Parking for the proposed nine units is already existing. It will not cause additional traffic or parking issues for the neighborhood.
>> And it's adding affordable two affordable units. >> Two affordable units. >> Yes. >> Yes. Yes. >> Yes. Yes. Desirable relief may be granted and that I was a yes to. Desirable relief may be granted without nullifying or substantially deraggating
from the intent or purpose of this chapter. >> Right. Again, by connecting the two existing structures into one building, there is no longer an issue of multiple residential structures on the lot. The update will improve the conditions of the lot by making full use of the
existing garage structures. And I would just like to add that this construction will turn an eyesaw into a beautiful project. It'll be an improvement to the neighborhood and highly likely to raise
uh close property values in the neighborhood. >> Thank you. >> Yes. >> Yes. Yes. >> Yes. And yes for me as well. So you met those conditions. Now we're going to discuss among ourselves the special permits which may raise some questions. So that's why again we're going to keep
it open. So um you know at this point again you know we don't have to meet every one of them. We have to meet substantially uh most of them uh social social economic or community needs which are served by the proposal. Thoughts? >> It will increase the amount of uh
housing uh which is a big problem in the city relative to getting larger units. Most of are small units.
This would help and I think where the two affordables that will be even more beneficial. Plus the real estate uh taxes will be an improvement to the city. >> People any other thoughts, comments, questions on that?
>> We agree that that that's makes sense. >> Yes. >> Traffic flow and safety including parking and loading. Do we have I mean we haven't really talked about traffic flow. Let's te tell us how the tell us again how it's going to go in and out of the how the traffic
will go in and out of the garage area. >> Okay. So um this site actually has two curb cuts and um so right now there's a there's a curb cut down here and there's a curb cut here. So, one through eight will come in
here, back out, and then go back out. And keep in mind, library is a one-way street. And then these two units will pull in, and they do they can back out. There is room for them to back out and then turn around, or they can back straight out. And library is not a very busy street. Um, you know, 10 10 spaces.
There's 12 units. It's in a great location for um all of our public transportation, which is what, um, you know, we're trying to encourage. Also, >> do we agree that, John, that they could the backout structure they there's enough radius to back out or? >> Uh, yes, I agree that they could do
that. Okay. >> Um, plus they are existing driveway curb cuts and those garages were leased out previously. >> Uh, nine and 10 were um previously. All of them were previously, but um one through eight right now are not being
used. Just nine and 10 are. >> But at one time they were >> a long time ago. Yeah. Long time ago. >> So, it's not to adding additional traffic that wasn't there at least at some point in the past. >> Okay. >> If I may add, Madam Chair, this u it's
all residential, so there's no commercial. There's not going to be traffic coming and going. People will leave for work in the morning and come home at the end of the day. >> Hugo. >> Yes. um on the uh first driveway with 9 and 10 will go in. Is there a fence or
device to the neighbor so the lights of the car at night will not hit the windows or the living room? >> Is there is there a fence on that side? >> Okay. So, there is a fence along the property line. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Good. >> Yep.
>> You think that that we met that one? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Next, John. What's >> I would just like um like signage, you know, like so people don't park on the um on the drive-thru >> like along the building. >> Yeah. Along the building, they don't park there kind of because I think
that's going to be an issue >> in the event that people, you know, have additional cars and they don't have, you know, parking on the street that they'll park. Yeah, we can certainly put up signs because um and and you know when we do the paving and stuff like that, we can also um designate no parking to the building because
>> a you don't want parking there so people in the garage can't get out and b it's a hazard, >> right? It's not fire rated or anything if something happens to that car. >> Yeah. >> So, >> adequacy of utilities and other public services. I I think that's sort of they're not they're not it's not in a
virgin area. They're they have services. Agree. >> Yes. neighborhood character and social structures. It seems like I think they've actually made an attempt to make it consistent with the social with the local structure. >> Yes. Yeah. Good. >> Joan, you agree?
>> Uh impacts on the natural environment, including drainage have you what kind of I guess that's a good question. What kind of drainage you going to have in those parking lots? >> So, currently today, we have no drainage. Um, according to state law, Massachusett state law, we have to keep
all of our water on our site. So, we will, you know, if approved, we'll then hire our civil engineers. Probably have to drop the big um basins and have catch basins, but that is a law. We we're not allowed to have any runoff onto someone else's property. So, we will take care of all that. >> And I fully expect that our planning
department would be talking to you about permeable pavers. >> Sure. I like permeable pavers. I mean, those are >> th those are good. >> Okay. >> They work. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Yes. >> Yes. potential fiscal impact including impacts on city services tax basis and
employment. >> Sounds to me like I mean I don't think there's going to be city services big impact but it'll add some some money to the tax base. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So we all agree that they've substantially more likely than not met
the requirements of the special permit. So that being said, that's um is there anybody we again based on those that discussion this discussion is there anyone who wishes to speak on this? >> There being none, I'm closing the public participation portion of this hearing.
John, does the planning department have thoughts, recommendations, etc. >> Uh yes, planning department recommends approval with most of the conditions recommended by the planning board. Uh standing conditions as applicable. uh petition to submit landscaping plan,
lighting plan and based on your uh discussion about drainage plan a drainage plan as well. Um permeable pavers uh participate in the design review uh residents of the new units will be ineligible for on street parking and no gas grills or umbrellas on the
roof deck. The planning board did also recommend white roof, but I if you're using that roof for roof decks, I don't know if a white roof would work there for you. Might >> be dangerous. Um, >> we can I mean we we only put the white roofs on the white tposs like a carile.
We do the heavy duty ones and the deck just goes on top and then the deck would be a lighter color. It's not going to be because we don't want it to get super hot. >> Okay. >> But we still would have a white roof no matter what. >> Okay. >> And also we want to add the no parking signs >> as requested.
>> There is a fence >> and there is a fence and ensure that there's a fence >> on the right hand side. Yeah. Is that your fence or is that their fence? It's your fence. Okay. So, when you do when you do um when you sit with the department and do u design review that they would look at the fence.
>> Okay. And um Okay. Do we have a recommendation on this one? >> Yep. >> You want to go ahead. You go. >> Yeah. Um case 2025-23
46 and 48 Library Street. Um seeking approval to construct an addition and convert property from three dewalding unit structures into 12 the welding structure. >> You you recommend approval.
>> I recommend approval with the uh conditions already >> as articulated. >> Articulate for the planning. Do I have a second, Joe? All in favor? I >> do a nice building. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you. That's fine.
>> I have a quick question. Can we get a list of all the conditions? >> John, I mean after tonight, too, like with the parking, the fence, all that stuff. >> Do you want to give them here? John, you want to rip mine off? >> John Hector
Hector always has it. in the fence. >> Okay, got it. Thank you. >> Thank you very much. Be careful in the snow. The next case in front of us is 2025-24103 Broadway for special permit seeking the
extension of the current use of a catering service to also include fast food restaurant takeout delivery service to individual customers. Hello. This also went into the to the planning board. John, could you please tell us what was said?
>> Planning board uh recommended approval with the standard conditions as applicable. No seating for on-site consumption and the sign must not be illuminated. >> Okay. So, um can you introduce yourselves please? >> France no
>> Jonathan Noel. >> Okay. And um have you made any proposed changes to this since we spoke? >> No. >> Last time. So it's so again and I just want to summarize you you want to take catering ser your catering service and
basically extended to a catering takeout service >> in which there will be no seating you know because that's >> you're not planning to have any in dining in options >> nobody's going to eat it. >> Okay. >> And your and you're are you making any
changes to are you adding any rooms? Are you adding any equipment? Are you doing anything? Are you changing anything in the structure of your operation from your current operation as a catering service? >> No. >> So, you're not adding you're not adding more stoves or refrigerators or water or
anything like that? >> No. >> Okay. Do we have any questions? >> Are you changing the sign of this restaurant like adding, you know, uh take out and all that or you going to
keep the same one that you have already? No, as of now, we don't plan. >> I think the sign says take out now, doesn't it? >> Um, >> did it? >> Yes. >> I think yes. >> That's why I think we're sort of reaffirming a few things here. >> I can't Can you
>> That would require me to >> having trouble. >> What is that? Okay, Jonathan, what does that take? Take that up. What does the sign say outside your building? >> I'm going to read from here. Daily meals, catering, and meal plan. and meal planning. >> Yes.
>> Yeah. Okay. >> All right. So, you would change that to take out. >> Oh, we honestly would just leave it >> as is. Leave it now. >> Okay. Yeah. Um, anybody here who wishes to speak on
this? Okay. Let's go through the criteria for the special permit. Luckily, all they need is a special permit. So, um, the social, economic, or community needs that are served by this proposal. Maryland.
>> I think it's positive. >> Yeah. I mean, they're providing food. They're providing access to to good food. Yeah. Yeah. >> And they're providing, you know, a storefront where people can access that. >> Great. >> Absolutely. >> Traffic flow and safety, including parking and loading.
Do you expect most of your people will be driving up, walking up? How do you plan to make sure that there's Because you don't have parking, right? Well, we're right behind a um 7-Eleven and there's a parking like just adjacent
to the building. >> Yeah. Well, 7-Eleven probably doesn't want to know that, but basically, but you're not expecting people to come in other than come in, pick up stuff, and leave. >> Yeah. Yeah, that's >> it's not going to be up. >> And would you go out and give them food if they if you know would could they
call you and sort of do that like that thing when you're at get it delivered when you go to Target or something and >> you tell them you're sitting there and they deliver it to you. Will you deliver them food if that's if that to make it quick? I'm just trying to figure out ways to make sure there's not traffic >> like right outside of the door. I mean, yeah, we've done that before. Like have
people stay in their car and just we'll bring them the food. >> So it's so this way they're in, they're out and they're done. >> For sure. >> Okay. Where are you having your deliveries? Like your supplies where >> um can you >> Yeah. Where are you having your delivery? You have a parking space for
that or you just double parking while you're doing that or >> like where are the people who are >> Is the restaurant have a his own parking? >> No. No. Not even for you the owners. >> Oh, so well we park like right next to the building. There's like space right
next to the building. That's where you That's where you >> That's where you do the unloading or your uh uh supplies. >> Oh, yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yes, sir. Yes. >> Okay. >> So, is that is that where you get your supplies? What do you What kind of what kind of trucks deliver your supplies? >> Oh. Um >> or do you pick them up?
>> A Toyota Avalon. >> Okay. So, that's you pick them up. You're the delivery service. Pick up service. Right. >> For sure. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Any thought other thoughts on that? adequacy of utilities and other public services. Again,
yeah, you have it's there. It's operating. It's in the middle of the city. >> Neighborhood character and social structure. >> I think it seems consistent with this. Yeah, exactly. >> Impact on the natural environment, including drainage. It's kind of I don't think that's relevant. It's not relevant. >> Potential fiscal impact including
impacts on city services, tax base, and employment. I think it's pretty neutral. >> Yes. Yes. >> Do you agree? Then then they met >> meals taxes. >> What? >> Meals tax. >> Meals taxes. >> Oh, meals tax. That's true. That's true. But I mean, it's still relatively neutral considering the the business they're occupying now. >> Okay. So, based on what we've just had
on this discussion, is there anybody here who wishes to speak on this? There being none, I'm closing the public participation portion of this hearing. Is there a motion on the table? >> Yeah, I'd like to make a motion. Can I? >> Yes, you may. I would like to make a motion for
2025-24103 Broadway um for approval of a special permit seeking for the extension of the current use of catering service to also include fast food restaurant takeout and delivery service um with any conditions.
No ind no seating on site. >> Yep. >> And the sign must not be illuminated and standard conditions is applicable. >> Perfect. >> Do we agree? Second. Second. All in favor? >> I >> Good luck. >> Thank you. >> It'll take a couple of weeks. They'll
write it up for you. You'll get the approval. There's like a time frame. If you have any questions, call the department. >> We'll come here or >> No, no. Call the department and they'll they'll let you know the process. >> All right. Appreciate it. There's no more meetings. >> There's no more meeting. Have a good evening. >> Thank you. Thank you, sir.
>> The next case in front of us is a modification, is it not? >> Yes, it is. >> Okay. So, this is 2024-09 284 Eastern A Energizer Storage LLC, sort of like the Energizer Bunny, right?
Um, requesting a design mod of the original proposed building based design. The modification proposes an elimination of the proposed building and instead places the battery energy storage units within separate external enclosures.
Now, we um we've heard this before. We all remember it pretty pretty diligently to so where our job in front of us right now is to determine if it's a major or minor modification. Um we have in front of us
first of all you have a typo on your your cover. >> Energizar. >> Oh is that >> that's actually how it's spelled. >> Oh you guys you have a typo. >> And um so um So, and it has been advertised. So, if in fact we determine
that it's a major modification, we can hear it tonight. But, you know, our first thought is to determine whether it's major or minor. And so, why don't you tell us what you're proposing that's different? >> Sure. So, real quick, a quick introduction because I was not here originally. Uh, my name is Hunter Frankie. >> You look You did not look familiar.
>> Yeah. My name is Hunter Prangi. I'm the project manager for this project for Flat Iron Energy and I'm here with Aaron Baker who's a lead developer for the project. and a good amount's changed since uh the last meeting and I believe in 2024. Uh so the project uh obviously went through a design change moving from
a building based project to a more external containerbased project. Uh additionally the project was awarded as a part of the Massachusetts DOER uh contracting process to procure the energy from this project uh for a
12-year period of time. Um, and here to walk through kind of the design changes and a table showing originally uh the zoning impacts. >> One second. >> Sorry. Continue. Go ahead. >> Just going to be showing you a table of what was originally kind of the zoning
impacts and then with this new design, uh, what has been changed or reduced. >> Uh, next slide, please. >> Wait, just a second. >> Yeah, no rush. One sec. Do you guys remember our this? Yeah. >> Oh, and additionally, uh, we met with
the planning board at the end of last month in anformational fashion to get their feedback on the updated design. So, I'll walk through that as well. >> So, everyone on the board now, you were all on the board when we went through permitting initially in 2024. >> Yes.
>> Okay, great. >> We all walked the site. We've been, we've seen it. We've been there. >> Well, I guess by way of another update just while we wait. >> You introduce yourself formally for the record. >> He he did for me, but I can do it again. Um, >> you can say it.
>> Okay. I'm Aaron Baker, VP of development with Flat Iron Energy. Also a new face. >> Yeah. >> Um, but yeah, just while while John gets that in PowerPoint mode, um, when you did the walk on the site, I think we were only optiones at the time. sort of
like we had an option on the property, but since that time last year, we exercised the option, we purchased the property. So, we are now the owners and the the limo company that was there previously and all the cars like they've all been vacated and so it's an empty
lot now that that we own and we're preparing for demo. >> Great. Thank you. >> Okay. Can you go to slide four, please? John, did you have anything else? >> Uh, no. If you could just real touch on that. Uh, you may remember Alex Matthysse. He was he was uh I believe a part of the conversations last time.
He's still with the company's lead engineer for the project. And then we've contracted we are contracting with Conigi Construction uh to perform the construction of the site. Uh very reputable contractor in the state of Massachusetts. >> So we provided this just as a summary of
what uh variances and special permit exemptions that we were asking for back in 2024. Since you were all there, there's no new faces on the board. Um we can you know condense the discussion there. But just you know wanted to highlight that in addition to several
permit ex special permit exemptions there was a variance that we requested which was related to the front yard setback which was approved by the board. Um and then we also had a major site plan review with the planning board which was also approved.
>> But your current structure the current proposal eliminates the need for the variance. >> Yep. In a couple slides, we'll go through the the differences between then and now, but he wants to just review the actual changes to the design itself first. >> Excellent. >> So, on the right, you can see a site
plan of the new design and just to walk through kind of some of the changes here. So, switching to containerized design uh is much more common in the United States and Massachusetts specifically. Um, it utilizes off-the-shelf products from reputable
manufacturers. uh not that the previous product was not from a reputable manufacturer, but it was a more of a bespoke product for inside the building. >> When you say containerized, explain what you mean by that. >> So, I think the easiest way to explain is, you know, imagine an 18-wheeler truck, you know, the containers that are
on the back of those trucks like that's traditionally what a containerized battery will look like. So, there are battery cells, modules within there, electrical conversion, power conversion equipment, all within the battery themselves, the containers. So, so the batteries are enclosed.
They're just enclosed in smaller. >> Correct. >> Okay. >> Um, in terms of resiliency, so all the equipment on site will be installed in accordance with a 14t base flood elevation that was recommended by our civil engineer in terms of the lifetime
of the project to 2050 by raising the uh base flood elevation design flood elevation to 14 ft. It accounts for storm surge, sea level rise, and 100red-year flood events. Um, we are still avoiding the combined sewer running through the site. Um, so if you
all remember, uh, old Chelsea sewer is covered by these dotted lines right here. So right now, rather than, uh, putting batteries on this area, which are heavy, we just have a access road
going over it. idea. >> Additionally, um, uh, Chief Quatiieri with the the fire department is supportive of this design. We meet with him on and his team on a regular basis. Um, and then finally, the other change to this is the substation located in the
bottom left of the of the site plan, which we used to connect the batteries to the Eversource substation was moved to the bottom left from the top of the site. >> But other than that, the uses, everything else, the batteries, the
intended use, the connections with Eversource, nothing else has changed. >> All the same. So that substation on the bottom left is basically what we interface with every source. That's not changing. And the power the power generated or charged and discharged by the site is not changing either.
>> Okay. Wait a minute. Joe has a question. Oh, go ahead. >> In the original uh there were 25 parking spaces and now there are only four. >> In the original there were only four.
That was a special permit exemption request that we made. Um, per the code, we would have it, it requires one parking spot per thousand square foot. And because we originally in the building based design, it was 94,000 square feet. We would have had to um
have created 94 parking spaces. So, we requested only approval for only four, which was approved previously. And there's no change to that in what we're >> making a lot of sense because it's just that based on the size of it they had that 94. >> How many employees actually will be
there at one time >> during operation of the site following construction? I'd say at most. So you know the batteries have a a six month and a year uh preventative maintenance where people like technicians will come and check on the site. I would no more
than four to six. Most of it's remote I assume. >> Yeah, most if not Yeah, most is remote. Operation is remote. >> Operation remote. Yeah. So again, no. >> Um, do the cold temperature does anything to the batteries? >> No. So the batteries have an operating
temperature within I don't have the exact range. Um but they operate well within a a decent size range but if not there is internal uh cooling and heating for the systems within the containers themselves >> in the containers not the batteries I
mean >> correct within the enclosures I should say. Yeah. >> Keep going. >> Okay. Okay. So, to your point, chair, this is um a slide that looks very similar to the one previous, but just highlights the changes between what was approved in 2024 and what we're
requesting today, which thankfully all of the um changes are now reducing the they're either keeping the same impact. It's the same per special permit exemptions or reduced. So that variance that I flagged previously that we had
requested and was approved for a front yard setback spacing um now we are going to meet that 15 foot minimum requirement. So we are no longer needing or requesting a variance for that. And similarly, our maximum height, given the
containers, even when they are placed on platforms to meet that 15 foot base flood elevation that Hunter mentioned, we're still well below what the um 40 foot by right maximum height is. So, um we no longer need a special permit
exemption for height. >> And before you needed the exemption only because you were putting it inside an existing building. >> It was a two-story building. So we were within the um it was 53 feet. So we were not within the by right limit but we we were in >> but that was but because you were in a
building. So that's so you because now you're not putting it in that building. You can >> correct >> you can stay. >> Correct. So we're we're um yeah 20 23.2 feet um or 35 max. So So now we no longer need that. That's permitted by right. And for all of the remainder, you
can see here, there's no change or deviation from what was previously approved, including the parking spaces we discussed. >> Okay. So, but one of the things before was that you had this in a big building, so people couldn't really see it. How are you protecting the site? >> It's a good segue.
>> Perfect segue to the final slide. >> I'm glad. >> If there's no more questions on this, >> well, before you segue, I just want to make one point here. Because there's no longer a structure there, you actually don't need a loading ramp style either. >> Oh, great. Okay. Look at that. Another one. >> We can we can put a green line there,
too. >> Great. >> So, a few things um here. So, originally when we first made this change, we met with uh John Dri, we met with Fidel to talk about, you know, the new design and
they suggested a screenwall uh to kind of replace the building and we also met with the planning board on this. So this was the original one we applied with just to show generally what it would look like based on feedback from the planning board based on feedback from
the community- based organizations. We are looking to improve the look of this. So this is not what it will ultimately look like. We've explored uh some feedback from the planning board that we plan to share uh in the next meeting on February 24th. And as you see in the comments, just the wall type and the
screening, you know, how you know how it's going to be screened, where the vegetation is going to be. It's currently being designed um in accordance with that feedback. We've also talked potentially uh we've talked with community based organizations to potentially include a comm community mural on a portion of the wall. Um
>> why not the whole wall? >> Why not the whole wall? >> It's something we're it's something we're exploring. Absolutely. I think uh we when we were speaking with La Collaborativa, one of the artists that they know um have done large murals that can incorporate the whole wall. So we're
looking to explore all options uh ultimately. >> So clear and and apologize I have a couple questions. So clearly the idea of concertina while of some kind is not something that you'd want. But what kind of deterren can you put at the top of
that wall to make it difficult? Can you put a lip on it? Can you put a cap on it? You know, something to, you know, to make it even not as attractive for somebody to try to say, "Oh, let me see if I can climb that wall." >> Yeah, sure. So, um, we will take a look at that to ensure.
>> Well, that's probably something that we would ask, you know, if if if we agree with this that design review and um, but I that's something, John, that I think we should consider. I mean, I don't I'm not a designer. I don't know if that makes sense. It's just it seems to me that you know something up there that makes it more difficult to throw
something over, hook it, try to somebody climb in. >> I think too a cap on it uh might play uh downplay the height of the wall as well because it gives you you know it gives you eye a point to stop at and it may make the wall feel a little bit shorter.
>> Yeah. And just to note as well, because I forgot to mention it, the wall um is I think roughly 21 feet high right now. But yeah, >> which should be enough of a deterrent, but you never really know. >> You never know. Yeah. >> And you know, John, correct me if I'm I'm sort of paraphrasing correctly or
incorrectly. Um you know, the planning board when we went to theformational meeting a couple of weeks ago, they expressed similar concerns. So I know that you know Hunter and team are already exploring those options you know and I think in in the order of priority of um thoughts that the planning board
had you know security was number one for them and and trying to buffer the viewshed and then community mural was sort of like nice to have but it's something that we're excited about and really want to try to find a way to incorporate >> it' be nice to make sure that there's not I mean there not such a massive
appearance like it doesn't look like a prison you know frankly Agree. >> Yes. >> Any other questions? >> You go. >> Yeah. It's going to be one entrance or two. >> So, it will be two entrances, but they will both be on Willoughby Street, the
private road off Eastern Avenue. And basically, it'll it'll all the flow will be through one end typically and then exit will be the other. So, there's that loop there for access. >> Is that for and what about for and for delivery? I assume is >> correct. >> Yeah. And then there's there's a few uh
human doors kind of on Willoughby Street and Eastern Avenue um as requested by the fire department in case you know people need to push out. >> So just wondering so in terms of staffing will there always be someone there to staff? I know it's kind of
self-sufficient. Um, and the upkeep is like six months to um um for maintenance checks and things like that, but is there someone on site on a regular basis?
>> Currently, not planned to have it staffed 24/7. >> Okay. Uh it's something we're we're working through in terms of our servicing agreements for it, but in terms of kind of remotely we'll be you know 247 monitored uh with security
systems if not 100% staffed and if most would be one or two people. >> So for the most part staff would be there would only be people on site other after construction to uh maintenance replace things that need to be replaced. >> Correct. >> Okay. But not on a consistent basis per
se >> only as needed basis >> as needed. >> Correct. >> Right. So that's why I was asking um so Eastern is pretty busy and isolated as it is in that area. Um so I was just thinking so when you we talk about a
design in a mural and it looks pretty but it's also eye catching for attention. So if we're trying to deter like to be seen >> that's interesting. Yeah. then we might not want to scream out here we are
especially if it's not staffed around the clock which is okay because that's the design of the project but just thinking about to maybe reconsider um not having sat in bright light in terms of a mural and things like that to attract attention um but just make it
you know maybe more greenery or something um in the area. >> Yeah, that's that's interesting. >> A a mural that's greenery. Yeah, >> subtlety. >> One of the options we're exploring, if you go back to the feedback slide, um, so I can't say this is for sure, but you
know, some type of, you know, obviously there's that huge blank part on Willoughby, like making that, you know, ivy running up it or some sort of greenery, something like that. Um, so we're again like I think that's an excellent point. Um, so we're kind of trying to bring together all the
feedback to account for all the feedback and hopefully get somewhere everywhere everyone is happy. That's that's a really good point, Joan. It's like, you know, do we want it subtle or do we want it to be Yeah, >> especially if it's not stacked. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. >> So So John, what's the thoughts? Um can
I John, what's the thoughts of the planning board? The planning department on on this? >> Uh the planning department is in support of this. It's uh as far as a zoning board action whether it's minor or major really uh the change is not to the use
it's more to the layout >> which is more more related to the planning board and their major site plan review. >> Um the >> and they've minimized the our the need that we would be weighing in on.
>> Right. Um and I do agree with the comments relative to the design of the wall. we need to uh downplay the size of it and make it a little bit more um aesthetically pleasing. I would say um we are recommending that all conditions
of the original variance and special permit decision be carried forth to approval of the modified development and as part of the design review process petition making every effort to minimize the height massing and flat and featureless facade. >> So do we so rather than all conditions
in the original variance it's more of like applicable conditions. I I mean, but >> I I went I I actually went through the conditions and >> you said there's no more varian. I mean, just that all conditions must be carried forward. It's just But there's a bunch of them that shouldn't be carried forward because they're no longer applicable.
>> The conditions, yes, they were addressing variance of special permits, but they are still applicable. We got the standing conditions u as applicable. There were conditions relative to design review to um uh additional plans that had to be provided. I see. I understand.
I'm sorry. Yeah, my my I understand. Okay. >> So, guys, you know, what do we think? Do we think it's major? Do you think it's minor? >> I think it's minor. >> I agree. >> Marilyn, I'm kind of like on the fence. >> Why? Tell me why. No.
>> Only because they haven't really like um they don't know what type of fencing kind of thing, you know? They don't have like really the landscaping kind of thing of what they're going to do, >> but that would be design review. But I mean that but that design review is still required under the previous permit. >> Okay. Okay. >> So I think that's mean so that would be
that would be dealt with is that >> yes that's true. As was a landscaping plan >> as would landscaping plan >> because I think I mean basically in front of us we're we're there about the use >> and you know they've taken away the variance which is the most complicated issue that we have to worry about. The variance is no longer applicable. So we
don't have to worry about meeting you know going through those step by step. And I think from from the generic um what they've seen, we've even reduced a number of the special permit requirements. I don't and they haven't changed the use at all. >> Um so I think if we if we definitely
incorporate design review as requested and I think take into consideration very seriously the comments about the the the wall. It's so it's design review that's sort of extended to now the wall. So I think that's John if we ensure that that makes you know the design review
>> is would that encompass like design review now means the current design. >> Yes. >> Yes. Right. So this way that would address >> minor. >> Yeah. Minor. >> Okay. So do we have a motion? Is it a minor or major? Marilyn, you want to make a motion? >> I'll make a motion to approve case
number 2024-09 284 Eastern A Avenue Energizer Storage LLC as a minor. Y >> with the standard >> with the conditions as articulated >> articulated. >> Second. You go >> second. >> All in favor? >> I.
>> Thank you. >> Thank you very much. >> There's nobody here to speak. Is there anybody who wishes to speak on this? There be no there being no one because there's nobody in the audience. I'm closing the particip public participation portion of this hearing. Thank you. >> Thank you all. >> Thank you.
And I know that um we are going to have a little um John and Hector wanted to talk to us about some procedural efforts. So uh some some procedural things. Is that continue to be on recorded or is that separate? Okay. So
we'll continue that. So Hector, introduce yourself for the record and um and tell us what we're what we're talking about. >> Good evening. Hector Vela, secretary for the zoning board. I'm just going to go briefly over some of uh procedures in
regards to our ZBA cases and everything. This is more just a sense of like just reviewing what our procedure is when it comes to special permit procedures, opening and closing public speaking portions and the signings. I have seen
though that I'm really so happy to see uh the process being already working in place. So pretty much this is kind of like a repetition really of like so I'm just really happy >> you taught us well at this point. >> Yes, you guys are doing u amazing. So just kind of be a really brief about the
procedure. So uh with the special permit just remember that uh this is an open discussion amongst the board members and you would uh you can deliberate uh each and the point is deliberate each of the special permit criteria basically. So what you guys just did that was fantastic. Basically just going through
it step by step and basically just reviewing that. And the same thing it's not a variance. So it's not so much of like asking for like the specific requirements. It's more of like a general idea sense of like did they meet those criterias. Um, in regards to opening and closing the speaking
portions, um, it's more of the sense of like once the public speaking portions has ended, there cannot be new information added or questions asked unless the public speaking portion is open once again to the public, >> which last month we kept going back and forth because there were questions. >> Case in point where it's like the
opening and closing as well too. And the point of this is more like to streamline the process of our um meetings and stuff and especially so when I go through the minutes and everything I basically have to annotate it's open and closed open and closed and it just it looks like you know like if I we were to miss something
just I don't want to potentially uh have something where it was open but never technically closed. So that's always my biggest thing. So uh I pretty much saw an example that where it's basically uh the p the procedure could go as discussion of the special permit various criteria and then petitioner has a
chance to respond to the discussion. Public would then have an opportunity to speak. Petitioner has a chance to then respond back to the public should there be one and then the board asking follow questions and then the public speaking portions would then be closed and no further information and new questions can be asked. And then of course that is
not to say that the board cannot reopen the public speaking portion but the again to streamline and to facilitate. So just make sure you ask all your questions. If you got to answer more that's fine stuff. >> So rule of thumb is if if we if if at any point the petitioner responds to or
adds addition any says anything other than yes maybe um then we should make sure that that's open because that >> yes >> that means that somebody could say oh no I don't agree with that or what does that mean? So that we would open it up to the public. >> It could open up more basically questions, more concerns that if the
public wishes, wants to have the opportunity, they should be allowed to have the opportunity to speak on it >> because they might be getting additional information based on the conversation we've had or they that Okay. >> Correct. Exactly. And then the last thing >> that make sense. >> That's I think I tried to do that today and sort of recognizing last month when
it was getting choppy because I would say it opened it and closed it because then they kept batting stuff and I'm like this is not terribly efficient. So um so and thank you for recognizing. >> No, it's okay. And like I said, you guys did wonderful today. So I can I I tip my hat off to you guys. And last thing, it's just signing and speaking to the
microphones. I actually I have to commend also our petitioners that did a wonderful job too for doing that. So I could but one of the things I have noticed is that in recent um meetings, I've noticed that petitioners and by extension owners and designates, members of the public who are speaking do not
sign in on the sign-in sheet. So while our meetings are televised, we can always go back to see what was said. I would encourage the board to ensure anyone who speaks at our meetings to sign in before the speak to obtain accurate information for our records and minutes. >> And feel free to either raise that if
you feel it hasn't happened or remind me um as people are coming in to do so. That's that's sometime that just gets away. >> Yeah. Totally. Yeah. So like and likewise with the microphones, I thank the board for continuing to ensure that they as well as anyone who does speak does so with the microphone. We just
want to make sure that anyone who cannot attend our meetings for ADA purposes or just so that we can just hear what people are saying because we all know case in point the the acoustics of the build this room is not necessarily the great. So that's why it's very important so that way when we do go back to this we can actually hear clearly what you
guys are saying because you guys are saying it's really important. So >> that's it. >> Thank you. Um I just wanted to uh show you what a decision is because um uh we are stamping your name on this and I think
you you should feel comfortable that you know what we are stamping your name to. So a decision is um it's basically a um record of the recording of of the procedures of your meeting and has uh multiple audiences. Uh obviously the
petitioner has to get this so they know what what was approved and how it was approved any conditions. Uh the building department downstairs when they're issuing their conditions they need a copy so they know what they can issue that permit for. We need a copy so we can keep record when we're going doing
our inspections and said and should it happen as as you know what happens is an appeal. the court is another um uh audience because they will refer to the decision one for the conditions that were placed on it and also to make sure that the procedure was done quickly. So
it takes us a couple weeks to write this um and um we try to keep as complete a record but as concise a record as possible too because the you know on uh big cases they can go 20 pages mostly there are somewhere in the range of six to eight pages
>> and and do you is there a corresponding copy of the recording kept for these >> uh the recording is kept um on the cable TV's uh YouTube site. >> Okay. So I mean so that that becomes that that's available too >> that's also available
>> just not more for legal purposes I guess. >> Yeah. Yeah. As Hector indicated it's helpful to us too because when we type notes we can go back and and listen. That's why it's very important when you speak into the microphone because when you don't when we go back to the
recordings, we don't hear you at all. It's just muffled and then pretty much there's a question asked or and then a response or just vice versa basically. So that's very important when you speak into the microphone, green light's on. All right. So this how it starts out
obviously the pet uh the information about the petition of the petitioner who owns it uh the address and then we do the recordings the specifics uh we describe what is being asked for. Um in this case
u this is the puck street where they built the 100 units. Um and it requires both a variance and a special permit. um this is what they asked for and in this case do was they change uh first they came through 120 units and then they
came back with 100 and we will we will list that out. We'll say see this one says the original submission and we'll describe what the original submission is and then we'll indicate that during the review process either from the zoning board or from the planning board that there was a recommended change and the applicant came back with that change. So
we'll list that here as well. Then similar to the reports I write to you, we list out the permits that were needed both for the original and we do the tables and just literally cut and paste from the from the reports
I give you and then the updated one so that we know what permits >> what change and that would be like a perfect example of what in this modification we just talked about. You'll see that there was different. >> Right. Right. I'll put the two tables
there and show the changes. Then we go to the administrative record, the dates of the hearings, how many, when, and then the date and the actual date of your vote.
Then we go to everything that you looked at or reviewed to make your decision gets listed here. you know, these are the petitions, uh, the denial letter from Mike McIntye and then the petition itself. And then we go
and list each of the plans, um, so that they know if we have to go back to look at it, we can go by the record and then the extra materials they gave us drainage. If we get uh my report is here say live my report because
sometimes and animal writing them as well but the report >> and then uh any letters that you receive from residents or >> and so and you and you just for example you just say expressing their their thoughts but they don't you don't have to at this point list them.
>> Correct. >> Okay. >> In the past we have sometimes we do sometimes we don't. Um uh when obviously uh the wolfish one when we had dozens it was difficult to do that
>> um more letters from the applicant back to you and then we go into the findings. That's why when we ask you to go do your findings for the special permit and the variance, we actually have to put them here in the uh in the decisions and we
list it by each by special permit and then we go through each criteria and we list how you determined it met or did not meet that criteria. You know, benefit to the city, social, economic, we'll we'll list the facts and
then your findings. for each one of these traffic flow utilities. >> We do it in as in the board as a whole and not by the individuals. >> Correct. We do it as a board as a whole. Um you'll see
>> unless there was a unless somebody didn't agree. Well, so what again how so because in the special permit process we don't all have to agree, >> right? >> Would there be but so if if there's there's four out of five, then we just
say the board board approved and that's it because that's all we needed was four out of five. >> If if it passed by a majority, we'll just say the board approved. >> Okay. All right. >> We we do not you'll see we do not do that in the variance. >> Yeah, I was going to say that's Yeah, I would think the variance would be different.
>> All right. So then we summarize all the uh special permits and then we go to the variance and you'll see the variance one is a little bit longer because you know um this is the one >> we've always we've always debated more on the variances as well >> right um >> or or discussed more I should say more
>> right and similar to the special permit we go over each one we list some of the um comments that were made or if we have uh sometime the applicants give us the written one we'll put that in there and then we'll actually put your vote on there. Five. Okay.
>> Um the the hardship the uh uh granted without substantial detriment and then the uh uh that does not denigrate from the intent purposes. And
if and if you had voted no, we would have put did not approve >> and then we would have ended the hearing. >> Right. Right. Um, our zoning does allow for you to or or us to ask them to provide a development impact statement. Most of
these cases are so small that it wouldn't make any sense to do it or they give us so much information that they really don't need to do it. So, we'll list whether one was uh issued or not. We'll include it in there. Then we do your actual vote and this is by person.
uh you'll see um you vote voted uh who made the motion, who seconded, and then how each person voted and then whether it was approved or denied. And then we list the conditions and we go through each one. You'll
notice that some of these are um wherever possible, we try to tie this to the issuance of a permit or a different approval. uh for example will tie it to that they have to give us uh the lighting plan landscaping plans before I will sign off on the building permit or
that they have to give us the list of addresses that cannot get u zoning uh parking uh permits and they'll usually tie that to occupancy because we don't need to know that from we need to know it before we think they occupy permit. So >> you you sort of formalize a little bit
more of the we make the general recommendations and you formalize the proper process, >> right? You'll you'll hear me. I'll I'll I'll say standing this is applicable. Well, here there will actually be I'm and I said these are subject to word smithing. These are all the wordsmith
ones. Try you know the all the legal terms that have to be in there and then after conditions we actually stamp your signatures on it. >> What about um the debate? Where does the
um where do so the debate doesn't get recorded and the debate I mean the comments do do it do the comments from the public get recorded do does the ongoing where does the ongoing dialogue get recorded did I miss that
there or is that >> um you know what I mean the verbal the verbal ones we may summarize but we won't put them individually >> okay >> uh again if they're provided in written we do list them as as or we say how many we received.
>> So So you know three people testified in opposition. >> I mean would you would you would you say that? What would you say about testimony? >> We generally don't include that in there. >> So it's not included and it's not required to be included. Okay. >> That's where typically the minutes will then come in and they will
>> and that's what basically show each person whenever they come in. >> Okay. All right. So the minutes are not included as part of the decision. >> They are. >> They are but later So the minute So the minutes are So that's where it would be. Okay. >> It's up. >> So up there you listed the minutes included. Okay. Okay. That
>> that's if you wanted something up bit more specific as to who the person was and what they said exactly. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Minutes of the public hearings. >> Okay. So Okay. So I was going to say the minute I knew the record had to be there somewhere. I just wasn't sure what it would be. >> So we incorporate those minutes by reference.
>> Okay. All right. That makes sense. They're going to be every every month, every time. >> That's what they do every time we we have a hearing. They've always done this every time we >> every decision. We've been doing it for years. But I just it just as I said since we're stamping your name on it and we wanted to make sure that you
understand what we're what we're putting in there under your name. >> And I appreciate that because generally I understood this. I mean I don't know that I knew exactly what you included. I if somebody had asked me I would said yeah you're going to include like where's the minutes? Because for me, I figured the minutes was capturing the
majority of what was was being articulated. >> But the decision is a formal decision that has to be written in a manner that's appropriate for a record of proceedings. >> Y and then up in the front where I you know we talk about original and a
change. If the if the discussion was such that it was um a long discussion about it, I may include in there uh subject to um a dis after a debate or after a discussion it was changed. >> Okay.
>> But I won't specifically state what was each person stated. >> Right. And that that again and if you want you go to the you go to the business record. >> We don't have to have a copy of that, right? No, you don't have to. If you want one, you'll happily send it to you if you want if you're not
>> all of them that you'd have had by now you go >> if you're not drowning your paper already I'll give you more >> Joe put you on do your Joe Joe >> what >> who does all the typing >> whoever whoever is assigned to write it
me Adam will >> and that's why he says it takes a couple of weeks to get >> actually some of it actually done by Hector as well he Hector uh frequently puts in the the the record uh case uh dates and stuff like that. >> I do a lot of the revisions. So that's
why we want to make sure that everything's like >> Yeah. We we write it, we give it to him, and he does the proof. >> I mean, it's I mean, it's obviously what you need when it comes to having a >> and then you'll see here right here this
stamp here. After we finish it, we have to file it with the city clerk's office. That's when it becomes official and that's when the 20-day appeal period starts. I remember many of those conversations. We'll file it in about two weeks and then you'll have 20 days to appeal. If
you don't hear by then, >> come come and check with us. >> And then um one of the standard decision uh uh conditions is that they have to record it at the registry of deeds and then give us proof of recording. And
that's either a receipt or sometimes um they'll just give us the entire decision with the registry stamp on it and we just >> And do you have a checklist on that? Do you have like a tickle a file a tickle file to say hey we haven't gotten that yet? >> Uh we don't. Generally what happens is
uh we will get a request from uh the building department via the electronic filing system for us to sign off and then I'll look and I'll go back to our files. or is there a copy of the recorded? No, there isn't. So, I won't sign off.
>> On the administrative side of things, we do have like a checklist essentially of the procedures when it comes to where each of the cases stand off. For example, if there was something that needs to be filed, if there was some decision needs to be written, we have every single case basically broken down and then we take it step by step
essentially. So once we finish those cases then those notices will then get sent out to each of the abutters basically allowing them time to appeal or like and like >> you must have a whole litany of things that need in between that you know >> correct
>> do we have a lot of AI in the building? I don't personally use AI. I don't I don't like it. I don't know if he does. I'm assuming that Adam and Will much younger than me probably might use it but I don't
>> but that's just used as a reference for I mean >> or the doctors use it >> it's funny that if when I attend uh webinars from the state uh they will tell us up front no AI and no recordings
or they will shut the zoom down >> well that is anything any thoughts any questions I think that's kind I mean it's sort of funny I think it's something we all kind of new, but just to actually see I mean we've seen these kinds of cases and >> and that's why I say what you guys say is very important. So we take that
definitely into consideration. So that's why we just want to make sure what we write down is accurate and we actually have record of that. So that way if anyone has any questions or concerns we can direct them for example the Chelsea community cable or through the minutes and everything or example to the decision pretty much. I personally like
paper trail. I want or even paper or data chart. I want be to be able to log from point A to point Z when we get the case to when it's done. >> Um and then Hector will um Hector will also mail these out to the applicant and
he will know uh it comes with a cover letter that indicates uh what the process is at that point and then he'll send a notice to all the official butter as well. So get a notice that this was filed. a lot. >> Well, thank I mean it's, you know, it's
there's so much behind the scenes that we don't see ahead beforehand and after the fact, but thank you. >> Okay. >> Thank you so much. Very detailed. Impressive. >> And thank you for the um you know, it's always good to learn something new. >> It's a It's fun actually to see like the
um the background work actually how everything works. >> It is. Well, that being said, do we have a motion to adjurnn? >> Motion to adjurnn. Second. >> Second. >> Put the button. Say second. >> Second. >> All in favor? I
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